| 00:01.37 | Stanzilla | twitter |
| 00:02.24 | Stanzilla | I asked if they can prevent players with res. sickness from joining lfr and Ion answered |
| 00:11.31 | Repo | frenemy: 03Torhal 07master * 5.4.7.6-5-g060dfcc Frenemy.lua: [+1 commit] Added up value for type. |
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| 00:25.10 | pompy | znf: yes but romania doesnt get them :P |
| 00:25.31 | znf | what? |
| 00:25.37 | pompy | the amazon gc! |
| 00:25.48 | znf | I already placed my order with it |
| 00:26.01 | Gnarfoz | because romania doesn't have their own Amazon. so he gets some other ones. your point? |
| 00:26.49 | pompy | ~lart Gnarfoz |
| 00:26.49 | purl | gives Gnarfoz a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 00:26.55 | pompy | yup |
| 00:28.42 | znf | double of free is still free! |
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| 00:35.13 | Stanzilla | I need movie suggestions |
| 00:36.01 | znf | <porn title> |
| 00:47.36 | znf | "I haven't had a St. Archew's Gage in forever" - No One, Ever |
| 00:50.04 | Stanzilla | gladiator gauntlets |
| 00:59.40 | znf | ? |
| 01:00.17 | Stanzilla | I got those all the time |
| 01:00.32 | znf | I get St. Archew's all the time |
| 01:00.35 | znf | no day without them |
| 01:00.36 | znf | even in a row! |
| 01:06.06 | Repo | shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.10.7-7-ga91a650 (8 files in 4 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 01:06.07 | Repo | a91a650: Fixed leaked globals |
| 01:06.07 | Repo | 44f2c59: Fixed resurrection indicators not working |
| 01:06.07 | Repo | 22cb7be: Aura indicators are now built in, deprecating ShadowedUF_Indicators |
| 01:06.07 | Repo | 3898319: Redid aura configuration, filters are much more flexible and the UI is a little easier to use |
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| 01:10.51 | znf | <Repo> 3898319: Redid aura configuration, filters are much more flexible and the UI is a little easier to use |
| 01:10.54 | znf | this is relevant to my interests |
| 01:15.46 | Gnarfoz | a wild Shadowed appears |
| 01:18.31 | Stanzilla | hey Gnarfoz |
| 01:18.34 | Stanzilla | work tomorrow? |
| 01:18.39 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 01:18.47 | Stanzilla | looking forward to it? |
| 01:18.51 | Gnarfoz | totally |
| 01:20.09 | znf | how come |
| 01:20.10 | znf | ?! |
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| 01:29.12 | znf | oh, reddit, so funny |
| 01:29.15 | znf | You're sent to Brazil with $5,000,000 cash, 30 clowns that will follow your orders, and a liter of orange soda; how would you ruin the world cup? (self.AskReddit) |
| 01:29.19 | znf | >The England squad is only 23 players, where are you getting the other clowns from? |
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| 01:50.34 | Ressy | lol |
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| 02:35.01 | znf | ERROR: Can't upload your photo. We support only jpg and gif format. |
| 02:35.02 | znf | :-| |
| 02:35.05 | znf | Why gif?! |
| 02:35.53 | Stanzilla | oldschool |
| 02:36.56 | Megalon | only formats with good compression a.k.a gif |
| 02:45.25 | Stanzilla | so Gnarfoz |
| 02:45.29 | Stanzilla | when do you have to get up for work |
| 02:45.56 | Gnarfoz | Idontwannatalkaboutit.jpg |
| 02:46.01 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 02:46.04 | Stanzilla | you're so bad |
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| 02:57.28 | znf | Stanzilla, don't you have a job anymore? |
| 02:57.37 | znf | why are you wasting your nights online like me? |
| 02:57.38 | silentium | only last millennium formats? what about pcx? |
| 02:58.02 | Gnarfoz | pcx owns |
| 03:11.21 | Stanzilla | znf: wasting is fun |
| 03:11.30 | Stanzilla | but not when it isnt |
| 03:11.33 | Stanzilla | cant sleep fffs |
| 03:11.50 | Megalon | everything is fun, except when it isn't |
| 03:12.09 | znf | Stanzilla, sooo job? |
| 03:12.34 | Stanzilla | well we basicly gave up |
| 03:12.42 | Stanzilla | too much law involved |
| 03:12.57 | Stanzilla | so, no job atm |
| 03:16.03 | znf | let's be unemployed buddies! |
| 03:16.16 | znf | OOOOH! Said Energizer posted a new video! |
| 03:17.02 | Stanzilla | new continuum is out! |
| 03:17.41 | znf | gonna need to wait for english sub |
| 03:18.23 | Stanzilla | what is Said Energizer |
| 03:19.14 | znf | a russian (?) dude that does videos like this: https://vimeo.com/90967649 (NSFW) |
| 03:20.06 | znf | actually, this is better: https://vimeo.com/88354513 |
| 03:20.06 | znf | :P |
| 03:20.45 | znf | Hmm. I didn't know Galaxy S5 can do this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8v0vJLv00MnVV9oY1NYQ3JmY0U/edit |
| 03:23.59 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 03:27.20 | Gnarfoz | the s4 can do that |
| 03:27.29 | Gnarfoz | probably the s3, too, if updated |
| 03:29.32 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: BED |
| 03:29.58 | Gnarfoz | I turned the screen back on because of that highlight |
| 03:30.04 | Gnarfoz | gj for keeping me out of bed |
| 03:30.05 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 03:30.10 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 03:30.12 | Megalon | why would you do that |
| 03:30.15 | Megalon | Gnarfoz :( |
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| 03:41.42 | znf | wth |
| 03:41.47 | znf | the iPhone 4S does 1080p video |
| 03:51.46 | znf | https://www.dropbox.com/s/gv65qi13j1dub4w/incense-0.mp4 |
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| 04:41.38 | quiescens | ! |
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| 06:50.58 | sb | morning |
| 06:53.26 | sb | Gnarfoz: 5:30 - getting better :D |
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| 07:56.53 | chiel | holy backlog batman |
| 07:56.58 | chiel | morning |
| 07:59.35 | sb | thats what you get for not ircing on weekends! |
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| 08:08.16 | haste | people read the backlog/! |
| 08:08.32 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 08:08.37 | bluspacecow | i has no back log |
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| 08:15.01 | Workfoz | Stanzilla: morning .______. |
| 08:16.42 | bluspacecow | *coffees Workfoz* |
| 08:17.31 | Workfoz | snuggles bluspacecow |
| 08:17.51 | bluspacecow | *giefs Bagel to Workfoz* |
| 08:18.02 | Workfoz | don't make me fat, bro |
| 08:18.13 | sb | Workfoz: you is sick! |
| 08:18.24 | Workfoz | sb: if I were, I wouldn't be at the office :| |
| 08:18.24 | bluspacecow | you metablisim is much too quick for that bro |
| 08:18.25 | sb | 3hours of sleep? |
| 08:18.34 | Workfoz | sb: yeah, about 3h |
| 08:18.42 | sb | how do you even do that :o |
| 08:19.09 | bluspacecow | for the lolz |
| 08:19.10 | sb | whats your motivation to get up? |
| 08:19.22 | sb | i couldnt do that |
| 08:19.30 | nevcairiel | not getting fired? :P |
| 08:19.31 | Workfoz | "have to go to work" |
| 08:19.55 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.57 | nevcairiel | i just wouldnt hang out online until 5:30 on a work night |
| 08:19.59 | Workfoz | it doesn't always work, though, sometimes "omg 1h sleep, call in sick for nonspecific reasons" wins out |
| 08:19.59 | sb | well if you are awake till 5:30, then call in sick |
| 08:20.05 | bluspacecow | its not “someone stroking my crouch for sexy tiems” ? |
| 08:20.06 | nevcairiel | thats his own damn fault |
| 08:20.13 | sb | you cant be productive in any way |
| 08:20.17 | Workfoz | I wouldn't be able to sleep anyway :D |
| 08:20.21 | sb | after 3-4 h / sleep |
| 08:20.22 | Workfoz | I only got up at 17:00 |
| 08:20.24 | Workfoz | yeah I can |
| 08:20.26 | sb | ugh |
| 08:20.30 | chiel | i do actually irc a bit on the weekend |
| 08:20.34 | chiel | but yea, mostly playing wow :p |
| 08:20.37 | nevcairiel | well and who's fault is that Workfoz! |
| 08:20.42 | Workfoz | I've been doing this for 10 years |
| 08:20.51 | nevcairiel | that doesnt make it better :D |
| 08:20.58 | Workfoz | it's obviously not healthy, but I've kind of gotten used to it |
| 08:21.04 | nevcairiel | you should see god, he gave you a faulty clock |
| 08:21.10 | chiel | i worked on my unitframes a bit, too |
| 08:21.16 | chiel | got them.. mostly working |
| 08:21.29 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: he definitely did |
| 08:21.39 | nevcairiel | or you're just meant to live in the US |
| 08:21.41 | sb | so its Stanzilla fault? |
| 08:21.48 | Workfoz | I tried multiple times, results are always the same |
| 08:21.48 | Timmeh | chiel: did you see http://jsfiddle.net/h6RM8/ ? |
| 08:21.54 | sb | who is going to sleep another 10 hours now :p |
| 08:22.13 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla just doesn't have a job worth getting up for |
| 08:22.21 | Workfoz | without external limiting factors like "have to go to work" or "have to see person", my sleep "schedule" will rotate around the clock by something like +4 hours a day |
| 08:22.27 | sb | Timmeh: empty result! |
| 08:22.34 | chiel | Timmeh: aye i had. but indeed empty result :p |
| 08:22.45 | Timmeh | "empty result"? |
| 08:22.52 | nevcairiel | that link works for me |
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| 08:22.56 | nevcairiel | get a proper browser |
| 08:22.57 | sb | oh, its broken in chrome |
| 08:22.58 | sb | works in firefox |
| 08:23.00 | sb | intersting |
| 08:23.01 | nevcairiel | works in chrome |
| 08:23.07 | Workfoz | only "I want to" and "I really really have to" work as incentives |
| 08:23.13 | chiel | not working in chrome for me, on os x |
| 08:23.17 | Timmeh | chiel: http://fiddle.jshell.net/h6RM8/show/ <- result frame |
| 08:23.20 | Timmeh | works in chrome for me |
| 08:23.26 | Timmeh | brb |
| 08:23.34 | chiel | i just get... grey :p |
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| 08:24.16 | nevcairiel | man I hate waiting for users to get back to me with answers to my questions |
| 08:24.20 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 08:24.29 | nevcairiel | goes grocery shopping |
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| 08:25.22 | chiel | o/ |
| 08:25.50 | chiel | Timmeh: http://abload.de/image.php?img=wowscrnshot_052514_12gzohe.jpg this is what my unit frame + weak auras shit looks liek now, in combat |
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| 08:26.13 | chiel | i also made it so out of combat it's further down and semi transparent |
| 08:27.33 | nevcairiel | looks kinda weird'ish with its 5 different bars |
| 08:27.52 | chiel | you mean the chi thingy? |
| 08:27.55 | chiel | or just the entire thing? |
| 08:27.59 | nevcairiel | the entire thing |
| 08:28.09 | nevcairiel | the 5 bars stacked on top of each other |
| 08:28.41 | chiel | yea maybe, it's cause i have the gcd thing there as well |
| 08:28.42 | nevcairiel | whats the 5th bar anyway, health, primary+secondary energy, stagger, ?? |
| 08:28.49 | nevcairiel | oh gcd |
| 08:29.02 | chiel | gcd yea |
| 08:29.15 | chiel | since i have my bars hidden and no other way of seeing gcd |
| 08:29.43 | nevcairiel | i used http://www.wowace.com/addons/castdonut/ for a while, shows a small circle at your cursor for casts and gcd |
| 08:29.46 | nevcairiel | but needs some getting used to |
| 08:30.33 | chiel | oh that's pretty cool |
| 08:30.40 | chiel | but yea, i dunno, this works for me personally :p |
| 08:30.53 | nebula169 | oh hey, i used http://www.wowace.com/addons/gcd/ |
| 08:30.57 | chiel | i do agree it looks a bit weird all stacked |
| 08:30.59 | nebula169 | on my priest and druid |
| 08:31.09 | chiel | but meh, so long as i can see the info i need fairly easily... i am ok with it :D |
| 08:31.23 | nevcairiel | the castdonut is really more for people that click on unitframes for a living, as thats where your mouse and your eyes are anyway |
| 08:31.53 | chiel | aye, i sometimes actually have trouble finding my cursor, haha |
| 08:32.00 | nebula169 | didn't realize ammo had that addon |
| 08:32.02 | Workfoz | I want to is rare, since most things I want are not really important, so I can just procrastinate them, allowing me to sleep |
| 08:32.07 | Workfoz | oh forgot to send that |
| 08:32.16 | nevcairiel | seems equally old as that gcd addon though nebula169 =P |
| 08:32.24 | nebula169 | yea |
| 08:32.38 | Workfoz | sb: you'll have to do the server/faction picking, basically |
| 08:32.47 | chiel | i do need to work a bit on the contrast in the health bar though |
| 08:32.57 | nevcairiel | anyway, gone shoppin'! |
| 08:33.02 | chiel | you can't see it in that screenshot, but the colours are not... very obvious |
| 08:33.14 | Workfoz | sb: you'll start ~1.5 days earlier than me ;-) |
| 08:33.23 | chiel | i think i might just put the class colour as the background, so it's immediately apparent when my health drops :p |
| 08:33.40 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: didnt sb say he was on vacation |
| 08:33.52 | Workfoz | sb: maybe |
| 08:33.58 | sb | Workfoz: you will start on monday then? |
| 08:34.01 | Workfoz | yes he said something like that, I can't remember when that was, though |
| 08:34.10 | Workfoz | sb: when I get home on Sunday |
| 08:34.35 | chiel | Timmeh: haha, that's pretty cool, that fiddle :) |
| 08:34.38 | Workfoz | I'm kind of un-excited about it, so far |
| 08:34.47 | sb | Workfoz: not sure :D |
| 08:34.56 | Workfoz | about what? |
| 08:34.57 | sb | Workfoz: so whats with your faction / server preferences? i'll discuss with my guild tonight then |
| 08:35.18 | sb | Workfoz: excitement :p |
| 08:35.31 | Workfoz | I meant the festival |
| 08:35.34 | sb | ah |
| 08:35.40 | sb | right, forgot about that |
| 08:35.47 | sb | why? :o |
| 08:35.55 | Workfoz | which is the reason I'm starting later than headstart would allow me if I was home ;) |
| 08:36.00 | chiel | Timmeh: now you just need to add stagger decay and expel harm cd :3 |
| 08:36.00 | nevcairiel | i'm somewhat un-excited about WS :p |
| 08:36.26 | sb | Workfoz: that lineup is just awesome |
| 08:36.27 | chiel | nevcairiel: weren't you going shopping? :p |
| 08:36.32 | chiel | you addict, you |
| 08:36.41 | nevcairiel | i was putting on my shoes and well.. |
| 08:36.41 | Workfoz | I already said a couple of times: no real preference. Slight Exile preference because better races for stalker (Aurin, probably, Human is boring), server: meh, still no server list. non-rp PvE |
| 08:37.03 | Workfoz | keep highlighting him, chiel, it'll make him come back to the screen all the time |
| 08:37.08 | Timmeh | chiel: hah |
| 08:37.15 | Timmeh | chiel: I couldn't help myself |
| 08:37.17 | sb | yes - i know that you told me already - just want to make sure the choice we make is okayish for you :p |
| 08:37.19 | Timmeh | chiel: had to make it react! |
| 08:37.25 | chiel | :D |
| 08:37.25 | Timmeh | chiel: anyway, brb, meeting |
| 08:37.39 | chiel | nevcairiel: excuses! :D |
| 08:37.48 | Workfoz | sb: yeah. what's the mood like on that with your guys? is there a tendency, yet? |
| 08:37.50 | Timmeh | chiel: now you can even test your styles |
| 08:37.52 | Timmeh | (boring meeting) |
| 08:37.56 | Workfoz | (that's probably bad English but who cares) |
| 08:37.57 | Timmeh | (oh they're talking to me, brb( |
| 08:37.59 | Timmeh | ) |
| 08:38.04 | sb | Workfoz: i have no idea :D |
| 08:38.12 | sb | have to talk with them first |
| 08:38.15 | chiel | Timmeh: needs keybinds! :3 |
| 08:38.15 | Workfoz | I see |
| 08:38.22 | chiel | better just reimplement wow in js |
| 08:38.46 | sb | i dont wanted to give them any choices if you'd start on day 1 - just tell them "so, its server y and faction x, do it!" :p |
| 08:38.52 | sb | errr |
| 08:38.55 | sb | bad englishi |
| 08:38.57 | Workfoz | performance can't be worse than their current engine, chiel |
| 08:38.58 | sb | i have to go to bed, NOW |
| 08:39.11 | Workfoz | sb: oh, you haven't been? haha |
| 08:39.20 | Workfoz | and you're talking to me about sleep :P |
| 08:39.29 | sb | ofc, like 6 hours of sleep |
| 08:39.51 | Workfoz | anyway, make sure to check the forums at least 1 day before headstart... they said final server list 72h-24h before headstart |
| 08:40.22 | sb | okay - but it doesnt really matter, does it? as long as it is non-rp + pve |
| 08:40.30 | Workfoz | not to me, no |
| 08:40.32 | sb | will there be german servers? |
| 08:40.35 | Workfoz | yes |
| 08:40.57 | Workfoz | there already are some, but they've said they'll add more before launch |
| 08:41.03 | sb | because then its going to be hard to convince them to start on EN servers :D |
| 08:41.08 | sb | ah, german servers are fine? okay |
| 08:41.19 | Workfoz | at this point, the pve server would be Ikthia |
| 08:41.24 | sb | i hope they are not much into "i wants pvp!!111" |
| 08:41.41 | Workfoz | but since that's the one that was available during weekend+open beta, it's probably going to be crowded as fuck |
| 08:41.54 | Workfoz | tell them the devs themselves said they don't care about open world pvp |
| 08:42.11 | quiescens | moo |
| 08:42.26 | Workfoz | they're not going to spend time on making that fun/good |
| 08:42.29 | Workfoz | not now, at least |
| 08:42.52 | Workfoz | so the only thing really available on pvp servers would be annoying ganking while leveling >_> |
| 08:42.53 | sb | not until WoD launch, so "not" is fine :p |
| 08:43.17 | Workfoz | should I TeamViewer to home and do my taxes? :P |
| 08:43.19 | Workfoz | probably not |
| 08:43.21 | Workfoz | ;D |
| 08:43.41 | Workfoz | reaching new heights of procrastination |
| 08:43.50 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 08:43.56 | Workfoz | I wish |
| 08:44.48 | quiescens | sleep is good~ |
| 08:45.32 | sb | Workfoz: get sleeping pills already :| |
| 08:45.38 | chiel | man, can't believe they're removing avert harm from monks in WoD :( |
| 08:45.47 | chiel | i guess it was slightly op |
| 08:46.16 | Workfoz | meh, don't get attached to class abilities, there's always the next addon coming up some time, and everything is up for removal/change |
| 08:46.43 | Workfoz | Paladins don't have auras anymore, I don't see anyone complaining now... :D |
| 08:47.34 | chiel | nah i know :) |
| 08:47.55 | sb | Workfoz: thats because znf doesnt play paladin |
| 08:47.59 | chiel | and to be fair, avert harm was a really strong raid cd, despite only having 10 yards range |
| 08:48.19 | Workfoz | sb: eheheh |
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| 09:04.39 | chiel | i guess i should start splitting stuff out soonish, from the main lua file i have at the moment |
| 09:11.36 | Workfoz | apparently, some Wildstar guys/gals (I don't know who, can't find any info about it besides it being paraded around on the forums) "decided" there should be some "Nexian notation" (Nexus being the name of the planet in Wildstar's story) for variables in addons |
| 09:11.55 | Workfoz | and it's some stupid strStringVariable, bBooleanVariable deal |
| 09:11.56 | Workfoz | I hate those |
| 09:12.06 | Workfoz | what's the original one of those called? is that hungarian? I don't knkow this shit |
| 09:15.04 | chiel | hungarian notation, yes |
| 09:15.19 | Torhal | Workfoz: It's Hungarian, adapted to Lua. Since, you know, dynamically-typed languages need type-awareness. |
| 09:15.22 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 09:15.24 | quiescens | o.o |
| 09:15.37 | quiescens | gives torhal a cookie |
| 09:15.44 | Torhal | cookiedesks. |
| 09:16.04 | chiel | headcookies. |
| 09:16.27 | bluspacecow | silly Torhal |
| 09:16.32 | bluspacecow | cookies go in the mouth |
| 09:17.22 | Workfoz | Torhal: yeah. precisely why I'm going to ignore it and ridicule any posts advertising it, should I ever post on the forums much :D |
| 09:17.25 | Torhal | mouthdesks bluspacecow. |
| 09:17.40 | bluspacecow | kinky |
| 09:17.43 | sb | Workfoz: dont tell me you are going to write any addons... :p |
| 09:17.44 | bluspacecow | oh baby |
| 09:17.52 | Workfoz | sb: about as much as I did for WoW! |
| 09:18.05 | Workfoz | so... gotta wait until someone has a brilliant idea, disappears, then I take over! |
| 09:18.09 | sb | so start ~10 of them and never finish? |
| 09:18.16 | Workfoz | almost like Stanzilla, just a tiny bit less shit |
| 09:18.24 | Torhal | blames Sinaloit. |
| 09:18.26 | Torhal | >.> |
| 09:18.27 | Torhal | <.< |
| 09:18.30 | Workfoz | ^_^ |
| 09:18.33 | Workfoz | v_v |
| 09:19.20 | Workfoz | sb: I have some tutorial pages open in my collection of "yeah, gonna look at this some time" pack of browser tabs |
| 09:19.35 | Workfoz | but... without a real idea, they're probably going to stay there |
| 09:19.54 | chiel | if you do the local _, ns = ... at the top of the file, you can just create tables and stuff in the `ns`, right? |
| 09:20.03 | Workfoz | Torhal: I'm not sure if it was you who talked about this... any idea if that metatable stuff that's included in Houston's boilerplate code is actually necessary? |
| 09:20.23 | Workfoz | chiel: that's what I think it's for, yeah |
| 09:20.35 | chiel | yea i thought so too, just checking :) |
| 09:20.43 | bluspacecow | *deskmouths Torhal* |
| 09:20.59 | chiel | i want to split the unit frame stuff i have been doing across multiple files so that each element has it's own file |
| 09:21.09 | chiel | just to keep an overview |
| 09:21.10 | Workfoz | sad that there's still not even basic docs for Wildstar |
| 09:21.22 | Torhal | Workfoz: Wasn't me, and I hadn't looked too closely at it. |
| 09:21.34 | Workfoz | ok |
| 09:28.16 | nevcairiel | i r back |
| 09:29.19 | nevcairiel | and my user still didnt answer, qq |
| 09:30.12 | chiel | gives nevcairiel a cookie. |
| 09:37.35 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: time well spent, then |
| 09:38.56 | nevcairiel | guess i should work on something else then |
| 09:39.27 | quiescens | ): |
| 09:39.43 | quiescens | probably better spent than "work"foz |
| 09:39.44 | nevcairiel | or maybe at some of the rolls i bought for lunch |
| 09:39.54 | nevcairiel | s/at/eat/ |
| 09:40.11 | quiescens | and the cookie chiel gave you |
| 09:40.29 | Workfoz | Did you have to pick sports, nevcairiel |
| 09:40.32 | nevcairiel | and i destroyed Workfoz's spree by picking a silly category, yay |
| 09:40.46 | Workfoz | I hate you :P |
| 09:41.27 | nevcairiel | play the player! |
| 09:42.02 | nevcairiel | alternatives were like 2000er and something else i forgot |
| 09:42.06 | nevcairiel | but all equally stupid |
| 09:42.10 | nevcairiel | i never get 2000er right |
| 09:48.32 | chiel | hmm, i wonder if it's possible to put transcendance + transcendance: transfer on a macro |
| 09:48.45 | chiel | to automatically do the transfer if your body is somewhere else |
| 09:49.02 | nevcairiel | doesnt the spell swap out to the other one when it is |
| 09:49.06 | nevcairiel | or am i remembering wrong |
| 09:49.54 | nevcairiel | guess not |
| 09:49.58 | chiel | it doesn't, no :( |
| 09:50.00 | nevcairiel | this should work though; /cast [pet,nomod] Transcendence: Transfer; Transcendence |
| 09:50.04 | nevcairiel | since it counds as pet |
| 09:50.06 | chiel | that would've been logical, haha |
| 09:50.11 | nevcairiel | ort well |
| 09:50.14 | chiel | nah it's a buff on you, as i recall |
| 09:50.15 | nevcairiel | guess it worked until 5.4 |
| 09:50.21 | chiel | might just have to go for a modifier key -.- |
| 09:50.21 | nevcairiel | i should finish reading the page |
| 09:52.35 | chiel | haha |
| 09:55.09 | Workfoz | would have been the perfect game, except for those 2 sports questions |
| 09:55.11 | Workfoz | gasdasdasd |
| 09:55.12 | Workfoz | :D |
| 09:55.31 | Workfoz | I'm amazed how I haven't had a perfect game after ~500 games total |
| 09:55.47 | nevcairiel | i havent had a perfect one either yet |
| 09:55.57 | chiel | what game? |
| 09:56.35 | nevcairiel | quizduell |
| 09:57.22 | chiel | dunno it |
| 09:57.28 | nevcairiel | its a german game |
| 09:58.44 | chiel | ah, well that makes sense |
| 10:00.05 | quiescens | did you win? |
| 10:12.44 | Workfoz | it's not limited to German afaik |
| 10:13.04 | chiel | but i guess it won't be as possible in other markets |
| 10:13.40 | Workfoz | meaning what? |
| 10:19.40 | chiel | as known * i meant |
| 10:19.41 | chiel | haha |
| 10:19.45 | chiel | i was talking to a colleague while typing |
| 10:19.48 | chiel | that doesn't work |
| 10:21.31 | Workfoz | hehe |
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| 10:51.12 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: its technically another app for other languages tho =P |
| 10:51.31 | Workfoz | I never claimed differently >:-o |
| 10:51.40 | nebula169 | quiz up for english |
| 10:51.43 | Workfoz | even the pay version is a different APK |
| 10:51.54 | nebula169 | looks the same |
| 10:52.09 | nevcairiel | some of my friends got the pay version now after they added video ads, that must be annoying |
| 10:52.23 | Workfoz | pick your poison https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=FEO+Media+AB |
| 10:53.22 | Workfoz | man |
| 10:53.34 | Workfoz | either our middleman for certs is stupid |
| 10:53.36 | Workfoz | or COMODO is |
| 10:53.42 | Workfoz | (probably both) |
| 10:54.02 | Megalon | mhm |
| 10:54.09 | Workfoz | including the wrong intermediate cert, as usual |
| 10:54.15 | Workfoz | now I have to go hunt down the proper one |
| 10:55.24 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 10:56.22 | nevcairiel | i always built my own cert chain, cert providers always mess that shit up |
| 10:56.45 | nevcairiel | although admittedly I only have experience with two or so :p |
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| 11:08.54 | Timmeh | GOD FINALLY MEETINGS ARE OVER |
| 11:11.39 | Workfoz | not even the CA cert is correct |
| 11:11.45 | Workfoz | god damnit what kind of joke company is this |
| 11:12.23 | Workfoz | and yes nev, they include it in like 7 different file formats, I certainly prefer "everything separate" so I can chain it myself |
| 11:12.43 | Workfoz | especially since they seem to think it's OK for the server to include the actual root CA in its chain |
| 11:13.04 | Workfoz | (which is ludicrous... if the client trusts that, I could just use null authentication) |
| 11:13.34 | Workfoz | great, so, it's apparently their new SHA-2 CA |
| 11:13.50 | Workfoz | which is not included in debian's certs, yet? :| |
| 11:14.00 | Workfoz | nor in those use by sslshopper's ssl checker |
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| 11:28.17 | nevcairiel | shouldnt that CA be downstream from a well known CA, what good is it otherwise |
| 11:33.02 | Workfoz | they're a big enough player to be the final part in the chain |
| 11:33.43 | Workfoz | but apparently they're issuing SHA-2 certs now that are issued by their SHA-2 CA (and intermediate CA), but that root CA is not included in Mozilla's CA repository |
| 11:33.46 | Workfoz | the CA is from 2010! |
| 11:34.06 | Stanzilla | go to sleep |
| 11:34.19 | nevcairiel | well thats what i'm saying, you can't just invent a new root CA these days |
| 11:34.23 | Workfoz | of course you can |
| 11:34.44 | Workfoz | stupid of them to sign certs with it when it's not propagated, yet |
| 11:34.46 | nevcairiel | and your customers will hate on you for their customers getting security warnigns then? |
| 11:35.04 | Workfoz | however they managed to not get into Mozilla's cert store in 4 years |
| 11:35.10 | nevcairiel | it takes ages to guarantee wide-spread propagation |
| 11:35.13 | Workfoz | they already have like 10?! CAs in there |
| 11:35.36 | Workfoz | I'll have to check with some Apple sycophant's macbook |
| 11:35.48 | nevcairiel | most of the root CAs have been in the repositorys for decades without change :p |
| 11:35.58 | Workfoz | that's just not true |
| 11:36.29 | Workfoz | check the valid from dates |
| 11:37.17 | Workfoz | anyway, I'm probably going to tell our IT guy who got the cert that he's going to have to ask for a refund |
| 11:37.26 | nevcairiel | i checked a dozen or so, and the newest was 2006, the oldest '98 |
| 11:37.48 | Workfoz | (he's going to like that... he doesn't understand any of the principles behind this stuff, so every time I want a cert from him, I basically have to talk him through it >_>) |
| 11:37.55 | chiel | I RETURN |
| 11:37.56 | nevcairiel | should script something to extract the info from all! |
| 11:38.04 | Workfoz | newest from 2006? on Windows? |
| 11:38.17 | Workfoz | Windows Update keeps feeding you new ones, you should have stuff from 2009 at least |
| 11:38.17 | nevcairiel | like i said, i only checked a few :P |
| 11:38.29 | Workfoz | sort by expiration date ^^ |
| 11:38.41 | Workfoz | sadly certmgr.msc doesn't support showing valid from date as a column |
| 11:38.43 | Workfoz | (lol) |
| 11:38.57 | Workfoz | anyway, time for lunch |
| 11:39.00 | nevcairiel | yeah that made it annoying |
| 11:40.18 | nevcairiel | there is maybe 10 or so that are issued in the last 10 years, all other 40 are older |
| 11:40.31 | nevcairiel | well maybe 15 |
| 11:41.06 | Workfoz | regardless. COMODO is a big-ass player, they should get this shit right |
| 11:41.30 | Workfoz | and you can't really upgrade your root CA to a new signature algo without, well, making a new CA |
| 11:41.31 | Stanzilla | I got a big ass, too |
| 11:41.46 | Workfoz | cue XKCD hyphen-moving comic |
| 11:41.48 | Stanzilla | does that make me a big ass player? |
| 11:41.54 | Workfoz | big ass-player |
| 11:42.04 | nevcairiel | whats the comodo thing called? i only have their primary one with sha1 |
| 11:42.07 | Stanzilla | what if I like to play with big ass? |
| 11:44.21 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: http://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html#hostname=213.144.18.221 |
| 11:44.32 | Workfoz | never mind the hostname mismatch, I just put it there so I could check the chain |
| 11:44.39 | Workfoz | (good thing I did :D) |
| 11:45.00 | nevcairiel | i have the COMODO RSA Certification Authority in the list, but under intermediates |
| 11:45.12 | Workfoz | under windows? sure |
| 11:45.36 | Workfoz | (although that's weird, that should be root ca, it's self-signed?) |
| 11:45.38 | nevcairiel | like i guessed, its not a root CA, its signed by another |
| 11:45.51 | Workfoz | the one I downloaded from their knowledge base isn't |
| 11:45.51 | Workfoz | oO |
| 11:46.13 | Workfoz | hm wait, maybe I'm mixing up names right now |
| 11:46.14 | nevcairiel | the windows one is signed by "USERTrust" |
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| 11:46.23 | Workfoz | that should be rather old |
| 11:46.35 | nevcairiel | and its also valid from 2000 to 2020 |
| 11:46.39 | Workfoz | yeah |
| 11:46.47 | Workfoz | the one ours is signed by is from 2010-2030 or so |
| 11:46.51 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.53 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/12943774697#3 |
| 11:47.00 | Workfoz | see my sslshopper link |
| 11:47.07 | nevcairiel | but its also sha384 |
| 11:47.09 | Workfoz | I'm currently sending the cert+intermediate+CA |
| 11:47.09 | bluspacecow | moah addons = longer to log out ? |
| 11:47.10 | nevcairiel | is confused |
| 11:47.23 | Workfoz | bluspacecow: of course? needs to save SavedVariables |
| 11:47.39 | Workfoz | lol, just got Firefox 29.0.1 update notification, maybe that'll include it :P |
| 11:47.45 | bluspacecow | but does every single one of your addons need to save SV at logout ? |
| 11:48.00 | Workfoz | every one that uses SVs |
| 11:48.06 | Workfoz | (rather obvious? :P) |
| 11:48.11 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: i have a "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (your intermediate), with the exact same serial number, but another chain behind it, weird :D |
| 11:48.21 | bluspacecow | couldn't you just not write out if there's nothing changed ? |
| 11:48.23 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: great, more complications |
| 11:48.30 | Workfoz | bluspacecow: ask Blizzard that |
| 11:48.41 | Workfoz | it's not under user's control |
| 11:48.58 | Workfoz | they always write everything AFAIK |
| 11:49.03 | nevcairiel | yeah addont dont save their SVs |
| 11:49.06 | nevcairiel | wow does |
| 11:50.59 | bluspacecow | so it saves all the SV variables not just the ones you set out to be saved ? |
| 11:51.08 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 11:51.15 | nevcairiel | just install less addons if you have such problems |
| 11:51.17 | nevcairiel | problem solved |
| 11:51.31 | Torhal | bluspacecow: "set out to be saved" WAT |
| 11:51.51 | bluspacecow | *sets out Torhal to be saved* |
| 11:51.59 | bluspacecow | just think of england dear |
| 11:52.22 | Torhal | SVs are Lua tables. Their contents are flushed to disk when WoW reloads/exits. Doesn't matter if the values have changed or not. There is no "setting out to be saved" |
| 11:52.47 | nevcairiel | it might take longer to save shit with megabytes of data, like dps meters or auction addons |
| 11:52.53 | nevcairiel | so, don't use those! |
| 11:52.55 | Torhal | Yar |
| 11:54.15 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.46 | Megalon | that's why i run wow in an emulator and use savestates, instant load/save |
| 11:55.34 | bluspacecow | *mind blown* |
| 12:12.02 | sb | oh, more texts |
| 12:14.10 | znf | cockslaps sb |
| 12:14.35 | Megalon | lockscaps znf |
| 12:26.33 | sb | whats wrong znf? |
| 12:26.46 | znf | nothing |
| 12:28.39 | bluspacecow | *blushes* |
| 12:28.48 | bluspacecow | donkey slap me znf-sempai |
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| 12:29.29 | sb | Workfoz: wildstar code doesnt work, thats what you get for cheapycheapy :p |
| 12:31.28 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 12:32.28 | Timmeh | hm, some people in here linked some websites to do with PC part decisions |
| 12:32.29 | sb | could be US / EU problem, support is working on it |
| 12:32.32 | Timmeh | anyone remember them? :-D |
| 12:32.37 | sb | http://www.logicalincrements.com/ |
| 12:32.40 | Timmeh | thx |
| 12:32.45 | Timmeh | that was one of them :_D |
| 12:36.24 | Timmeh | still misses NL! |
| 12:36.24 | Timmeh | boo! |
| 12:39.50 | Timmeh | hm, seems to advertise the slightly older products :-( |
| 12:43.15 | Workfoz | sb: serves you right, haha :D |
| 12:44.02 | chiel | i had to do actual work there for a moment! :D |
| 12:54.49 | Timmeh | any of you know any decent but cheap 10" android tablets? :-P (do they exist?) |
| 13:04.39 | chiel | noes |
| 13:04.49 | chiel | has any of you tried those R.A.T. mice? |
| 13:04.52 | chiel | by mad catz |
| 13:05.34 | Timmeh | chiel: http://nl.hardware.info/wensenlijst/563490/thr/wishlist <- threw that together last night. |
| 13:06.15 | Timmeh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.42 | Timmeh | 650W seems enough for those components as well, can anyone confirm? :_D |
| 13:06.44 | Timmeh | :-D * |
| 13:08.22 | nebula169 | yea, might want to get a 750/800 if you ever plan to sli |
| 13:08.45 | Timmeh | right, I don't quite plan to, but worth considering I guess |
| 13:08.54 | Timmeh | but for that specific set of hardware 650 should be good, no? |
| 13:09.02 | Timmeh | also, remarks about the specific parts? :-D |
| 13:09.20 | Megalon | http://support.asus.com/PowerSupply.aspx |
| 13:10.45 | Timmeh | Megalon: I have a feeling those calculaters always produce higher than required numbers :-P but never really sure |
| 13:11.05 | Timmeh | I guess I could just add up all the TDPs >_> |
| 13:11.47 | Megalon | says 650w with your parts |
| 13:12.15 | Timmeh | right, but add a bunch of USB devices, fans and/or hard disks, and it'll probably say 750 :-P |
| 13:12.53 | Megalon | another gfx and it's 1050w |
| 13:13.23 | Timmeh | I have a feeling power usage has gone down the past years, especially of graphics cards, and currently my PC works with a 600W one (iirc) >_> |
| 13:17.45 | chiel | Timmeh: looking good so far, have not really looked into it myself much yet since I've not gotten paid yet :p |
| 13:17.49 | chiel | (should be today though) |
| 13:18.32 | Timmeh | hehe |
| 13:18.51 | Timmeh | yea, well, decided against mini-itx, seems too cramped :-P |
| 13:19.07 | chiel | yea |
| 13:19.13 | chiel | i think a mid tower is fine |
| 13:19.13 | Timmeh | so micro-atx is the next best thing, I guess :-P |
| 13:19.24 | Timmeh | well, the micro-atx tower I picked there is just slightly smaller |
| 13:19.25 | Timmeh | so still ok |
| 13:19.40 | pompy | http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Pdo0 this is my new build and it says estimated wattage: 382W and i got a 650W psu |
| 13:20.03 | Timmeh | pompy: ah that's a cool website |
| 13:20.25 | chiel | and the entire build is not super expensive, either |
| 13:20.44 | Timmeh | chiel: mine? nope |
| 13:20.49 | Timmeh | pompy's, haven't checked :-D |
| 13:21.18 | Timmeh | chiel: you can always just pick one of the luxury motherboards with features you'll never use on a desktop PC, like bluetooth and wifi :-P |
| 13:21.27 | Timmeh | chiel: if you want it more expensive :-P |
| 13:21.31 | chiel | haha |
| 13:21.33 | chiel | nopenopenope |
| 13:21.39 | Timmeh | and NFC! |
| 13:21.44 | Timmeh | I saw an Asus one with NFC... |
| 13:21.49 | Timmeh | totally useful |
| 13:21.51 | chiel | nfc? |
| 13:21.54 | chiel | wtf is that even |
| 13:22.05 | chiel | oh right, you hadn't added harddrives yet on that build either |
| 13:22.12 | Timmeh | true |
| 13:22.15 | Timmeh | the tech that your OV-Chipkaart uses |
| 13:22.19 | chiel | oh right |
| 13:22.22 | chiel | why the fuck |
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| 13:22.23 | chiel | O.o |
| 13:22.39 | chiel | but i suppose hard drive won't be SUPER expensive |
| 13:22.47 | chiel | ideally i'd like a 256gb |
| 13:23.03 | chiel | but i can check pricing first, not too fussed if it's a bit smaller with a bigger mechanical one on the side |
| 13:24.57 | pompy | ssd? |
| 13:26.04 | pompy | the samsung 840 pro 256GB is about $220 |
| 13:26.06 | Megalon | i remember paying 300€+ for mine haha |
| 13:26.34 | Megalon | price dropped quite a bit since then :o |
| 13:26.59 | pompy | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W00ZD1539 $205 |
| 13:28.50 | nevcairiel | price has dropped quite a bit since its release |
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| 13:30.56 | Timmeh | I don't really plan on getting an SSD, I still have a 2TB hard drive lying around that reported faults in the past, don't want to put it in my server, but I can just use it in my desktop PC until it gives up :-P |
| 13:31.24 | chiel | i want an ssd |
| 13:31.26 | Timmeh | maybe I'll get one, just because I can.. but I'm not too fussed about the speed increases |
| 13:31.29 | Workfoz | thunderstoooorm |
| 13:31.30 | chiel | faster blue bars, wwweeeeee |
| 13:31.59 | Megalon | how can one live w/o ssd :S |
| 13:32.22 | quiescens | in my day we ran entire systems off a floppy disk drive |
| 13:32.37 | nevcairiel | Timmeh: you might not think you are fussed about it, but get one and say that again |
| 13:32.55 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: maybe it's best for my bank account that I don't then :-P |
| 13:33.14 | Megalon | 12.10.2009, never look back! |
| 13:34.44 | nebula169 | can get a 120 for like 50$! |
| 13:44.18 | Timmeh | hah, just entered that wishlist into that pcpartpicker website |
| 13:44.25 | Timmeh | and it tells me "In order to fit, the Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB DirectCU II Video Card may require removing drive bays from the Fractal Design Define Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case. The case only supports video cards up to 260mm in length without removing drive bays, while the video card is 287mm long." |
| 13:44.35 | Timmeh | I should check that :-D |
| 13:44.57 | Megalon | get a saw |
| 13:45.05 | Megalon | or file off 17mm |
| 13:45.09 | Timmeh | or a hammer, it'll fit, with a hammer |
| 13:45.35 | Megalon | the last 3cm are only crumple zone anyway |
| 13:45.43 | Timmeh | :-D |
| 13:45.53 | Timmeh | as long as the airbag still works |
| 13:47.35 | chiel | hahaha |
| 13:47.45 | chiel | i'm really not sure what case i want |
| 13:47.55 | chiel | ideally i'd want to go to some store where they just sell a bunch of cases |
| 13:47.59 | chiel | and then check them all out mysrlf |
| 13:48.01 | chiel | myself * |
| 13:48.20 | Timmeh | and fit them on, see if they're the right size, etc? |
| 13:48.52 | chiel | well i mean, you can find dimensions etc online, so that's not really a big issue |
| 13:48.57 | Timmeh | they'll stretch a little when worn anyway, so it probably doesn't matter too much :-P |
| 13:49.08 | chiel | but just being able to see how they look and whatnot, pictures can be deceiving sometimes |
| 13:50.00 | chiel | it looks like it's going to rain soon |
| 13:50.03 | chiel | bwah |
| 13:50.18 | pompy | and watch video reviews of cases, for example an NZXT case http://youtu.be/eqz5WAU9iJg |
| 13:50.51 | chiel | i guess the annoying thing as well though, is that there's SO many cases |
| 13:52.20 | chiel | the main thing i'd want is yes, quiet :p |
| 13:52.39 | Workfoz | Samsung 840 pro is probably overkill for most people. You can get a 240 GB Crucial M500 for ~90€ |
| 13:52.57 | Workfoz | I can't quite grasp how cheap that is compared to what I paid for my 128 GB C300 back in 2010 |
| 13:54.07 | chiel | pompy: that case looks nice.. |
| 13:55.51 | Megalon | haha yea Workfoz, payed 380€ for my 160gb back then |
| 13:56.33 | Timmeh | heh |
| 13:56.43 | Timmeh | Workfoz: what's the main difference between those? |
| 13:56.44 | Megalon | no hooker could have given me the joy I had when i booted from it for 380€ |
| 13:56.46 | Workfoz | double the capacity for a quarter of the price |
| 13:58.08 | Timmeh | hm I should probably take 2x8GB memory modules rather than 4x4 |
| 13:58.11 | Timmeh | in case I ever want to expand |
| 14:02.25 | chiel | yea, seems sane |
| 14:04.22 | pompy | chiel: yeah maybe other than the psu thing |
| 14:07.24 | Timmeh | so that Samsung 840 EVO is a good SSD? or is that one overkill in some way as well? (also why would it be overkill?) |
| 14:08.29 | Timmeh | I'll attempt to follow nevcairiel's advice, and maybe get one, perhaps |
| 14:10.46 | Kalroth | the 840 evo is a great consumer SSD |
| 14:10.58 | Timmeh | kk |
| 14:11.10 | Timmeh | my SSD knowledge is low :-D |
| 14:12.01 | Kalroth | http://www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-review-120gb-250gb-500gb-750gb-1tb-models-tested/12 |
| 14:12.02 | pompy | Timmeh: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/uk/html/about/SSD840EVO.html |
| 14:12.07 | pompy | heh yeah |
| 14:12.30 | Kalroth | "To say that I really like the EVO is an understatement. If Samsung can keep quantities of the 840 EVO flowing, and keep prices at or below its MSRP, it'll be a real winner and probably my pick for best mainstream SSD." |
| 14:12.36 | Kalroth | a year old though, but probably still true |
| 14:12.48 | Timmeh | right |
| 14:13.11 | Timmeh | my current PC is from 2007, and ever since I just haven't really looked too much, and especially not at SSDs :-P |
| 14:13.20 | Timmeh | so I'm a bit "out of the loop" |
| 14:13.30 | chiel | pompy: yea, but now you made me want that case, i hate you >:D |
| 14:14.03 | pompy | Timmeh: also PSUs are designed to be on the bottom of cases if you havent noticed already :P (probably hav eafter watching that video :P) |
| 14:14.05 | Timmeh | chiel: the NZXT one? or NXZT, N[XZ]{2}T |
| 14:14.14 | pompy | or chiel |
| 14:14.41 | Timmeh | pompy: same with the Fractal Design one |
| 14:14.46 | Timmeh | I found that interesting o.o |
| 14:14.55 | Timmeh | is that for a specific purpose? or just wanting to be different? |
| 14:14.56 | pompy | all cases ! |
| 14:15.00 | Timmeh | really? |
| 14:15.05 | pompy | yeah |
| 14:15.07 | Timmeh | WHAT MADNESS |
| 14:15.33 | pompy | i know., my current comp was from 2010 so i was like "huhh" when i found that out! |
| 14:15.45 | Timmeh | so now we can say "when I was young, PSUs were at the top of the case" |
| 14:15.50 | chiel | Timmeh: yea the nzxt one |
| 14:16.02 | chiel | and yea, it's bottom of the case pretty much everywhere now |
| 14:16.08 | Timmeh | interesting |
| 14:16.10 | chiel | i have an antec case atm |
| 14:16.18 | chiel | where the psu is in a separate compartment |
| 14:16.31 | Timmeh | in the "old days" you didn't even need case fans, because the PSU fan would suck and blow enough air :-P |
| 14:16.47 | pompy | also, its rumored the samsung 850 series ssds are coming out june/july |
| 14:16.48 | Timmeh | I take the PSU will still have the fan pointed downwards? |
| 14:16.55 | Timmeh | i.e. suck air from the outside directly? |
| 14:17.08 | pompy | Timmeh: fan on top and side iirc |
| 14:17.13 | Timmeh | orly |
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| 14:17.24 | Timmeh | *goes to look* |
| 14:17.52 | chiel | psu fan has it pointed downwards, yes |
| 14:17.59 | chiel | at least in the case i have atm |
| 14:18.09 | Timmeh | right |
| 14:18.32 | Timmeh | guess no more having the case on the ground entirely now, 'cause even moar dust in PSU |
| 14:18.55 | chiel | i have this thing atm: http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=704860&pid=4 |
| 14:19.08 | Timmeh | page no worky |
| 14:19.13 | chiel | weird |
| 14:19.24 | chiel | well, in the case of that one, it did suck the air in from within the casse |
| 14:19.27 | chiel | case * |
| 14:19.33 | Timmeh | oh, so fan upwards? |
| 14:19.34 | chiel | not from outside of the actual case, basically |
| 14:19.43 | chiel | no, fan downwards |
| 14:19.57 | Timmeh | so it does suck it from outside then? |
| 14:19.58 | chiel | but there was a space between the thing you mount it on, and the actual case |
| 14:20.03 | Timmeh | ah |
| 14:20.14 | chiel | http://www.antec.com/images/product_detail/P183_V3/BigBanner/1.gif |
| 14:20.17 | chiel | does that one work? |
| 14:20.24 | Timmeh | h yea |
| 14:20.26 | Timmeh | ah yea |
| 14:20.31 | chiel | yea, so it has the hole there |
| 14:20.33 | chiel | pointing down |
| 14:20.53 | Timmeh | pics of the Fractal Design Define case have it on the bottom, fan pointing to the outside |
| 14:21.44 | Timmeh | chiel: http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/417/dsc0389800px.jpg |
| 14:21.45 | chiel | yes, there's a lot of cases that do that, too |
| 14:21.46 | Timmeh | chiel: http://www.thinkcomputers.org/images/unboxing/20.jpg |
| 14:21.59 | chiel | in which case, yes, dust-sucking :p |
| 14:22.11 | Timmeh | http://m2.i.pbase.com/g4/77/610877/2/141215422.v9qZkmLF.jpg |
| 14:22.18 | Timmeh | I like what they did in that case for the power cable stuff things |
| 14:22.56 | chiel | yea |
| 14:23.02 | chiel | i definitely want a modular psu this time though |
| 14:23.08 | Timmeh | yea, same |
| 14:23.19 | chiel | all those fucking cables you don't use... |
| 14:23.19 | Timmeh | in 2007 they were actually still quite a lot more expensive than non-modular ones |
| 14:23.22 | Timmeh | so I decided to be Dutch |
| 14:23.23 | Timmeh | and not get one |
| 14:23.26 | chiel | yea |
| 14:23.33 | chiel | i don't have one in my current pc |
| 14:23.38 | chiel | but it clogs the ventilation reall |
| 14:23.40 | chiel | really * |
| 14:23.48 | Timmeh | I just replaced the 80+ Bronze one I had selected in my wishlist thing by a 80+ Gold one |
| 14:23.53 | Timmeh | and modular |
| 14:24.05 | chiel | hmm, that nzxt h440 doesn't have a cd drive though... the question is whether i care? |
| 14:24.08 | chiel | i probably don't |
| 14:24.09 | Timmeh | chiel: and yea, it does, that's another erason I like what they do for cable management in that Fractal Design case |
| 14:24.28 | Timmeh | the Fractal Design case does have a CD bay, I wish it didn't :-P |
| 14:24.31 | chiel | yea, but most cases nowadays allow you to lead the cables behind the motherboard mounting plate |
| 14:25.35 | chiel | now the question is whether i want the uber-stylish white case, or the black with red case :p |
| 14:25.47 | Timmeh | oh those Crucial Ballistix Sport memory dimms pompy selected in the thing he showed earlier get good reviews |
| 14:25.49 | znf | what's with all the fancyness? |
| 14:25.51 | Timmeh | and they're not very expensive :-P |
| 14:26.05 | znf | Timmeh, is it more than $free? |
| 14:26.12 | Timmeh | it is :-( |
| 14:26.28 | znf | then it's expensive! |
| 14:26.31 | Timmeh | :-( |
| 14:26.46 | chiel | ideally i want the black + blue case though |
| 14:26.52 | chiel | but it seems they don't have it in hollamd |
| 14:26.54 | chiel | holland * |
| 14:26.56 | znf | Shit. I need to get out of the house. |
| 14:27.01 | znf | Need to get a haircut! |
| 14:27.35 | chiel | naaaah, not necessary! |
| 14:27.40 | Timmeh | http://nl.hardware.info/wensenlijst/563490/thr/wishlist |
| 14:28.04 | Timmeh | chiel: why not a micro-atx case? :-D |
| 14:28.33 | Timmeh | oh bleh, that mobo I selected there is not available in most shops -.- |
| 14:29.09 | chiel | Timmeh: cause i like that nzxt cas |
| 14:29.11 | chiel | case * |
| 14:29.19 | Timmeh | but it be bigger! |
| 14:31.41 | chiel | i have a mid tower now, too |
| 14:31.46 | chiel | wntirely fine for me, tbh :p |
| 14:32.04 | pompy | Timmeh: yeah i got em for $125 |
| 14:33.30 | Timmeh | anyone know the difference(s) between the Realtek ALC887 and ALC1150? (apparently the ALC1150 is the "more luxureous" version, but what does that mean? :-D) |
| 14:34.39 | nevcairiel | probably higher SNR for the 1150 |
| 14:34.49 | pompy | Timmeh: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/datasheets/ALC887.pdf heh |
| 14:35.00 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: right |
| 14:35.05 | Timmeh | pompy: riight :-P |
| 14:35.36 | nevcairiel | 887 advertises 97 dB SNR, 1150 advertises 115 |
| 14:35.48 | Timmeh | I see, thx |
| 14:36.15 | nevcairiel | possibly also stronger headphone amps |
| 14:38.58 | pompy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/26/hacked_ebay_says_dont_use_password1_but_accepts_it_anyway/ gg ebay |
| 14:39.35 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: Stanzilla: Fisker: et al, new nvidia whql driver with the directx performance boosts http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-geforce-337-88-whql-watch-dog-drivers |
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| 14:43.11 | pompy | im ready for Watch Dogs, got my free copy! |
| 14:43.35 | pompy | oh thats right Timmeh, you should be able to get a free copy of Watch Dogs with your card purchase. |
| 14:43.51 | pompy | thats if its not US only! |
| 14:44.00 | Timmeh | I see |
| 14:44.03 | nevcairiel | the nvidia give-aways are typically global |
| 14:44.08 | Timmeh | I'll check that out if/when I finally order :-D |
| 14:44.11 | nevcairiel | or at least in a wide-range of countries |
| 14:44.19 | Timmeh | trying to figure out what motherboard I want currently |
| 14:44.23 | nevcairiel | practically, the shop you got it from needs to take part in it |
| 14:45.00 | Timmeh | just noticed the Gigabyte motherboard I selected has a Killer E2201 network chip, no clue how supported that is in the different linux distributions :-P |
| 14:45.12 | nevcairiel | screw that thing, its just marketing bogus |
| 14:45.24 | Timmeh | yea, I wouldn't be getting hte motherboard for that chip |
| 14:45.26 | nevcairiel | get one with a reliable intel nic instead |
| 14:45.32 | Timmeh | I'd just be getting the chip with the motherboard >_> |
| 14:45.33 | Timmeh | so yea |
| 14:45.47 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: any suggestions for a micro-ATX mobo? |
| 14:45.54 | nevcairiel | i never go for the gaming series of boards, so i dont hit those things |
| 14:46.00 | pompy | Timmeh: http://www.geforce.com/getwatchdogs |
| 14:46.07 | chiel | yea i'd like a motherboard with as much intel shit on it as possible :p |
| 14:46.18 | Timmeh | well, I'd prefer not to have htose kinds of weird things either |
| 14:46.23 | nevcairiel | too bad intel stopped building boards eh chiel |
| 14:46.26 | Timmeh | that's why I was checking it right now :-D |
| 14:47.16 | chiel | my current one has... well, not everything |
| 14:47.18 | chiel | but a lot |
| 14:47.23 | chiel | like the lan chip and stuff are intel |
| 14:47.32 | chiel | but idk, that's a pretty old mobo |
| 14:47.39 | Timmeh | I currently have a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P :-P |
| 14:48.11 | chiel | got an... asus p87 z68 or something like that |
| 14:48.17 | nevcairiel | i prefer asus boards, so depending on what you might need, either a z97m-plus, or maybe a z97 gryphon |
| 14:48.37 | Timmeh | I got the DS3P for the eSATA ports back in the day |
| 14:48.47 | Fisker | poop on my poop nevcairiel |
| 14:49.00 | pompy | this is the board i got for my new build .. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128707 (not from newegg!) |
| 14:49.00 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: I'd prefer an ASUS one as well, but I mostly found very expensive ones, but I'll look at those, thx |
| 14:49.12 | nevcairiel | the gryphon is probably expensive =p |
| 14:49.21 | Timmeh | in my experience ASUS and Gigabyte do very good quality products |
| 14:49.29 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: neat, ty |
| 14:49.33 | Timmeh | so I'd go with either one of the, :-P |
| 14:49.35 | nevcairiel | the plus is around 110 euros, which seems normal for a board |
| 14:49.41 | Timmeh | yea |
| 14:49.47 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: just in time for Wildstar launch, I bet they pressured them a bit :D (because that one includes Wildstar SLI profiles) |
| 14:49.50 | Timmeh | the Gigabyte one was 125 euros, me thinks |
| 14:50.03 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: geforce experience can update sli profiles without driver updates |
| 14:50.13 | Workfoz | so? |
| 14:50.18 | Workfoz | not everyone uses that crap :P |
| 14:50.23 | nevcairiel | so they don't need a driver to send you sli profiles |
| 14:50.27 | Timmeh | ah yea, that Z97M-Plus looks good actually |
| 14:50.27 | Workfoz | ok |
| 14:50.29 | Fisker | I already got the driver nevcairiel |
| 14:50.33 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: thanksalot |
| 14:50.42 | Workfoz | but the profiles were only added to the last/previous beta built in the first place |
| 14:50.42 | chiel | i don't mind shelling out a bit more cash now to get something that'll last tbh |
| 14:50.48 | Workfoz | so they have been available for like, 1 week at most |
| 14:51.00 | Workfoz | if they even publish profiles from beta drivers via geforce experience, to users of the stable driver |
| 14:51.09 | Workfoz | (if that's an understandable sentence) |
| 14:51.17 | nevcairiel | maybe not |
| 14:51.38 | nevcairiel | if they would care more about wildstar, they would've mentioned it in the driver release though, and not just watch dogs |
| 14:52.07 | chiel | that z97 gryphon looks really nice |
| 14:52.16 | nevcairiel | I might get a TUF board next time around |
| 14:52.24 | nevcairiel | but i like full atx |
| 14:52.52 | Timmeh | hm, the z97 gryphon is not yet on hardware.info? o_O |
| 14:52.55 | Timmeh | that's stoopid |
| 14:53.05 | chiel | well the case i want has support for Mini-ITX, MicroATX, ATX |
| 14:53.07 | nevcairiel | i think its techniocally called gryphon z97 |
| 14:53.23 | chiel | so i could chuck whatever in there :p |
| 14:53.33 | Timmeh | I searched for "Gryphon" and only found a Z87 chipset one |
| 14:53.48 | chiel | out of those form factors, what is the general recommendation? |
| 14:53.51 | chiel | what is the actual difference? |
| 14:54.11 | nevcairiel | itx is too small to be useful, you get maybe one pci-e slot, if even that, so lets just strike that |
| 14:54.40 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: hmm, there was a note in the beta driver update |
| 14:54.46 | Timmeh | the useful ones have 1 PCIe slot, but also only 2 memory slots |
| 14:54.48 | nevcairiel | mATX or ATX is just a matter of features, they don't cram as much stuff on the smaller boards |
| 14:54.53 | Workfoz | weird that that would not carry over to whql... maybe it's not actually in! :D |
| 14:54.58 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: well it lists it down in the sli profile section |
| 14:55.05 | Workfoz | ok |
| 14:55.12 | Workfoz | I don't have SLI anyway :D |
| 14:55.13 | nevcairiel | but if they consider a game important, they call it a "game ready driver for XXX" |
| 14:55.17 | Timmeh | as in, 1 PCIe x16 slot, and then maybe one or two PCIe x4 slots |
| 14:55.18 | chiel | nevcairiel: dunno how much i need in terms of "features", i mostly just want a board that's solid :) |
| 14:55.19 | nevcairiel | like, for watch dogs! |
| 14:55.39 | Workfoz | watch doge |
| 14:55.59 | chiel | so what exactly is this "TUF"? |
| 14:56.15 | chiel | cause i see it's listed separately from intel platform stuff |
| 14:56.21 | Fisker | I want a board with 11+ sata ports :( |
| 14:56.22 | nevcairiel | it means "The Ultimate Force", its ASUS' brand for these boards |
| 14:56.22 | Fisker | pls intel |
| 14:56.23 | Fisker | do it |
| 14:56.35 | nevcairiel | military grade components, improved thermal management |
| 14:56.43 | Workfoz | I like how their performance comparison uses an AMD cpu |
| 14:56.46 | nevcairiel | gryphon for mATX, Sabertooth for full ATX |
| 14:56.57 | Fisker | Does that mean the iranians can shoot down my computer? |
| 14:57.01 | chiel | ah right |
| 14:57.05 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: they needed something weak and pathetic so it actually bottlenecks on CPU power |
| 14:57.11 | Workfoz | hey, it mentions Wildstar profile in the news post |
| 14:57.21 | Workfoz | liar! |
| 14:57.21 | Workfoz | :D |
| 14:57.35 | Workfoz | back to complaining about ssl certs for me |
| 14:57.39 | Timmeh | meh |
| 14:57.40 | chiel | there's mark 1 and mark 2 |
| 14:57.45 | nevcairiel | still not done with that Workfoz |
| 14:57.47 | Timmeh | looks like the Gryphon Z97 is nowhere to be found in NL yet |
| 14:57.47 | Workfoz | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606947 < that's the root CA |
| 14:57.48 | Timmeh | boo! |
| 14:57.51 | Timmeh | I blame nevcairiel |
| 14:57.56 | Workfoz | that bug is from 2010 :D:D |
| 14:58.02 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: nope, had other stuff to do first |
| 14:58.27 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: i'm still confused that those are not root CAs here |
| 14:58.46 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: I have no idea |
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| 14:59.01 | nevcairiel | chiel: i think the mark 2 comes without the thermal cover |
| 14:59.02 | Workfoz | currently, even two of those online ssl installation checkers disagree |
| 14:59.35 | chiel | ah |
| 14:59.43 | chiel | there's a 60 euro price diff between em O.o |
| 14:59.56 | nevcairiel | maybe more differences? the comparison function on the asus website is broike |
| 15:00.05 | Workfoz | http://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html#hostname=213.144.18.221 says the chain is ok but somehow expects another cert after the root CA cert? (which I'm currently sending out, which I really shouldn't), http://www.digicert.com/help/ claims a more sane "chain broken at step 1" situation |
| 15:00.18 | nevcairiel | the mark 1 also has a reinforced backplate |
| 15:00.23 | chiel | yea, i was trying to use that comparison function |
| 15:00.51 | nevcairiel | i wonder if the onboard fan makes noise |
| 15:01.15 | nevcairiel | that would be horrible |
| 15:02.01 | chiel | that would be horrible yea haha |
| 15:02.08 | chiel | for that price they should deliver a proper fan :p |
| 15:02.24 | nevcairiel | well even if they do, those are tiny |
| 15:02.26 | nevcairiel | tiny means fast |
| 15:04.14 | Fisker | why are we talking z97 nevcairiel ? |
| 15:04.22 | nevcairiel | cause bored |
| 15:05.28 | chiel | yea that's true, but i guess a new fan wouldn't be *too* expensive |
| 15:05.47 | nevcairiel | all tiny fans need to be fast to push air :P |
| 15:05.56 | Timmeh | chiel: did you find a Gryphon in the netherlands, by any chance? :-P |
| 15:06.48 | nevcairiel | well i'm not buying this gen anyway |
| 15:07.19 | Timmeh | because you don't need, or because nextgen is going to be a big(ger) step? |
| 15:07.45 | Fisker | I need to reboot nevcairiel |
| 15:07.46 | nevcairiel | cause dont need |
| 15:07.47 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:07.52 | nevcairiel | Fisker: do it |
| 15:07.54 | nevcairiel | do iiiiiit |
| 15:07.56 | Fisker | No :( |
| 15:08.01 | Fisker | Why are you doing this |
| 15:08.03 | Timmeh | I wouldn't risk rebooting nevcairiel |
| 15:08.16 | Timmeh | he may never boot again! |
| 15:08.43 | chiel | humm... what's the diff between this http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#s=13&f=40 ? |
| 15:09.09 | Timmeh | hm, M.2 support on that board, M.2 is that the PCIe SSD interface? |
| 15:09.10 | nevcairiel | S is slower and more expensive, obviously |
| 15:09.23 | chiel | yea, i don't understand :p |
| 15:09.26 | Timmeh | and if so, does that "take away" PCIe lanes from the graphics card? |
| 15:09.29 | nevcairiel | noone does |
| 15:09.35 | nevcairiel | ask Intel what S is supposed to be |
| 15:09.36 | chiel | it makes no sense |
| 15:09.41 | chiel | too lazy :3 |
| 15:09.52 | nevcairiel | if you want lower TDP, just down-clock a normal CPU |
| 15:10.06 | chiel | nevcairiel: i don't even know what tdp is :p |
| 15:10.11 | nevcairiel | thermal design power |
| 15:10.28 | nevcairiel | ie the heat power it produces |
| 15:11.10 | chiel | ah i see |
| 15:11.12 | chiel | thanks |
| 15:11.20 | chiel | i'm not a noob at all :p |
| 15:11.28 | nevcairiel | could've fooled us! |
| 15:11.37 | chiel | holy shit, a graphics card of $1100 |
| 15:11.40 | chiel | O_O |
| 15:11.52 | nevcairiel | titan black? |
| 15:11.56 | chiel | yeah haha |
| 15:11.58 | nevcairiel | should look up titan z |
| 15:12.03 | nevcairiel | its $3000 |
| 15:12.13 | chiel | i think i'd rather not! :D |
| 15:12.17 | nevcairiel | althought not available yet |
| 15:12.47 | nevcairiel | the titans are not really designed as consumer GPUs |
| 15:12.54 | nevcairiel | more like entry-level compute cards |
| 15:13.01 | chiel | ah i see |
| 15:13.06 | nevcairiel | although some people like to get them and boast their gaming rigs |
| 15:13.14 | chiel | what's this 780 vs 780 Ti about, aside from a huge price diff? |
| 15:13.15 | Timmeh | or "I have too much money and I want to be cool" kind of GPUs |
| 15:13.22 | chiel | i imagine the 780 would be more than sufficient |
| 15:13.28 | nevcairiel | the Ti is 20% faster or so |
| 15:13.46 | Timmeh | 20% faster for 200% of the price! |
| 15:13.52 | nevcairiel | its not that bad |
| 15:13.52 | chiel | hmm, and like twice as expensive haha |
| 15:14.04 | chiel | http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#m=8,14&c=136,153 |
| 15:14.07 | Timmeh | it's 450 EUR vs. 800 EUR, isn't it? |
| 15:14.15 | chiel | i am also not really sure about asus vs evga |
| 15:14.30 | nevcairiel | mre like 500 vs 700 :p |
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| 15:14.33 | chiel | i've heard good things about both... but since i'm going with an asus motherboard, maybe asus would make more sense |
| 15:14.54 | nevcairiel | the asus DirectCU II cards have pretty decent cooling |
| 15:15.02 | nevcairiel | as do the gigabyte windforce 3 |
| 15:15.11 | Timmeh | decent cooling -> more turbo mode! |
| 15:15.12 | nevcairiel | not sure about evgas custom coolers, not heard much about them |
| 15:15.26 | Timmeh | the Gigabyte Windforce 3 is what I was going to order, but they seem in short supply |
| 15:16.07 | chiel | yea, just investigating the price gap between these two: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#m=8&c=136 |
| 15:16.39 | Timmeh | the Gigabyte Windforce 3 OC is also default slightly higher clocked than the ASUS DirectCU II |
| 15:16.39 | chiel | seems the type of memory is different, or something. |
| 15:16.42 | Timmeh | :-P |
| 15:17.00 | chiel | oh wait no, same type as well |
| 15:17.13 | nevcairiel | the GTX780-3GD5 is just overpriced, its a vanilla model from one shop |
| 15:17.18 | nevcairiel | no custom anything |
| 15:17.19 | nevcairiel | reference board |
| 15:17.20 | Timmeh | chiel: you should probably compare prices on tweakers.net/pricewatch or nl.hardware.info, to compare Dutch prices |
| 15:18.03 | chiel | Timmeh: yea i will, just like this site for searching and stuff :) |
| 15:18.22 | chiel | nevcairiel: ah k, yea was wondering since i could not find a big diff between em |
| 15:18.32 | nevcairiel | at this point, i probably wouldn't buy a reference board anymore, as the custom coolers are usually much better |
| 15:18.50 | nevcairiel | I got a reference because the custom coolers always take half a year after release until they show up =P |
| 15:18.56 | znf | Booored |
| 15:19.09 | chiel | haha, fair enough |
| 15:19.27 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/IDM18eT.jpg |
| 15:19.41 | znf | Waiting to get my haircut... |
| 15:19.55 | chiel | crucial ballistix sport was good you said, Timmeh? |
| 15:19.56 | nevcairiel | didnt you want to get that done some morning s ome days ago |
| 15:19.58 | chiel | or pompy :p |
| 15:19.59 | nevcairiel | or did you sleep in |
| 15:20.24 | Timmeh | chiel: just looked up some tests, and they came right below a g.skill set, but the g.skill set is like 40 EUR more expensive :-P |
| 15:20.45 | chiel | ahh |
| 15:21.51 | chiel | for power supplies... i've always been kinda partial to corsair, but for no specific reason :D |
| 15:21.57 | chiel | suggestions for a brand? |
| 15:22.02 | znf | I slept in |
| 15:22.05 | znf | Every dat |
| 15:22.06 | znf | Day |
| 15:22.32 | znf | Now the lady has an afternoon shift |
| 15:22.36 | znf | So yay me |
| 15:22.39 | Timmeh | chiel: I just picked a Corsaid 80+ Gold one in my current wishlist |
| 15:22.42 | Timmeh | so yea |
| 15:22.42 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: plot twist: it works fine under OS X |
| 15:22.43 | nevcairiel | corsair is still ok if you pick their AX series, not sure about the others |
| 15:23.00 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: i assume windows as well, outside of firefox with its own certs? |
| 15:23.07 | Workfoz | nope |
| 15:23.08 | chiel | well, like i said i have no particular reason to be partial to them, so suggestions are welcome :) |
| 15:23.13 | nevcairiel | weird |
| 15:23.22 | Workfoz | err wait |
| 15:23.24 | Workfoz | yes of course |
| 15:23.31 | Workfoz | it worked in Chrome from the first try |
| 15:23.38 | Workfoz | because Windows has the CA |
| 15:23.43 | znf | Damn it's hot outside |
| 15:23.52 | Workfoz | but I think the OS X test showed me the way |
| 15:24.01 | nevcairiel | chiel: I have a Corsair AX760, which is really high quality |
| 15:24.14 | Workfoz | it actually presents the chain as cert -> rsa server ca -> rsa ca root -> addtrust thing |
| 15:24.21 | Workfoz | which... is not what Windows displays |
| 15:24.35 | nevcairiel | thats what windows showed me when i looked at rsa server ca |
| 15:24.38 | Workfoz | clearly, there's a way to have multiple certification paths with the same certificates |
| 15:25.01 | Workfoz | (also, the CN of the issuer doesn't matter, the actual chain validity must be determined some other way) |
| 15:25.36 | Workfoz | (because I'm sending out "PositiveSSL CA 2" as the first chain cert, but our cert is not issued by a CA of that name) |
| 15:26.06 | nevcairiel | should poke the cert with openssl, it can dump a whole load of infos, maybe it enlightens you |
| 15:26.50 | chiel | are those intel ssds still any good? |
| 15:27.04 | nevcairiel | intel doesnt really build consumer ssds anymore |
| 15:27.06 | nevcairiel | get samsung |
| 15:27.25 | nevcairiel | samsung 840 pro if you're pro, evo otherwise |
| 15:27.44 | znf | What if semi-pro? |
| 15:27.52 | chiel | ah k, got an intel one atm, they were pretty nice back in the day |
| 15:28.07 | Timmeh | znf: you take half of both |
| 15:28.24 | znf | Why don't they make consumer ssd's anymore? |
| 15:28.33 | Timmeh | znf: because semi-pro |
| 15:28.38 | znf | Too many players in the game? |
| 15:28.44 | nevcairiel | they seem to pull out from a lot of those fronts |
| 15:28.48 | nevcairiel | no mobos anymore, no ssds anymore |
| 15:29.05 | znf | Holy fuck at this temperature |
| 15:29.17 | znf | I can see why people are hitting the beach |
| 15:29.37 | chiel | cool, just have to pick out a cpu cooler then |
| 15:29.54 | znf | When in doubt, pick stock! |
| 15:29.57 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: that's one of the first (and second, third) things I did, but most of it is unreadable hex garbage |
| 15:30.07 | nevcairiel | when in doubt, pick noctua |
| 15:30.13 | Workfoz | eh? of course Intel builds consumer SSDs |
| 15:30.17 | chiel | yea, love noctua |
| 15:30.22 | Timmeh | ok, I'll give in, I'll get one of those EVO ssds |
| 15:30.26 | Timmeh | I can do that at 125 EUR |
| 15:30.27 | Workfoz | 840 pro is good, but really too expensive |
| 15:30.32 | chiel | despite their colours, haha |
| 15:30.38 | Workfoz | I'd pick a M500/M550 over an Samsung EVO any day |
| 15:30.42 | Workfoz | TLC cells bleergh |
| 15:30.54 | Workfoz | oh. TLCells ;-) |
| 15:30.54 | znf | But they are increasing speeds 3x!!! |
| 15:30.55 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: you mean the ones based on sandforce chips? they are just a dime in a dozen now, nothing worth talkin of much =p |
| 15:31.12 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: they still have Intel's 5 year guarantees and custom firmware |
| 15:31.24 | Timmeh | Workfoz: why M550 over 840 EVO? |
| 15:31.29 | Workfoz | because TLC on EVO |
| 15:31.39 | Workfoz | chips with even less durability |
| 15:31.50 | Timmeh | I see |
| 15:31.53 | nevcairiel | but evo has 2x the write performance :p |
| 15:32.00 | Workfoz | you're dreaming |
| 15:32.09 | Timmeh | I don't care |
| 15:32.12 | Timmeh | the price is identical |
| 15:32.14 | Timmeh | which is bettar? |
| 15:32.21 | nevcairiel | also, samsung has rapid mode! |
| 15:32.24 | Timmeh | I have 0 SSD knowledge! |
| 15:32.58 | Workfoz | http://www.anandtech.com/show/7864/crucial-m550-review-128gb-256gb-512gb-and-1tb-models-tested/5 |
| 15:33.25 | nevcairiel | http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1144?vs=965 |
| 15:33.27 | nevcairiel | make up your own mind |
| 15:33.46 | Workfoz | what I linked has graphs based on the same data, tbh |
| 15:33.46 | Workfoz | :P |
| 15:33.54 | nevcairiel | mine has less noise! |
| 15:34.04 | Workfoz | that "noise" is useful information! :D |
| 15:34.14 | Timmeh | SSDs have noise? |
| 15:34.19 | Kalroth | lol |
| 15:34.23 | nevcairiel | the noise clearly shows you should get a pro! |
| 15:34.23 | Workfoz | really, spend some time reading reviews of the models you're considering, Timmeh - anandtech is not the worst place to start |
| 15:34.33 | Timmeh | yea, I'll have a look tonight |
| 15:34.42 | Timmeh | I was hoping there'd be a clear "winner" :-P |
| 15:34.44 | Timmeh | but oh well |
| 15:34.45 | chiel | and what's the actual diff between the 840 evo and 840 pro, then? |
| 15:34.46 | Timmeh | dreams |
| 15:34.52 | Workfoz | if you want consistent performance, get neither a pro, nor an evo, nor an m550, get a corsair neutron gtx :D |
| 15:34.55 | Timmeh | chiel: about 200 EUR? :-P |
| 15:35.02 | nevcairiel | clear winner is the 840 pro, but as Workfoz says, it costs still about twice as much |
| 15:35.10 | nevcairiel | even if twice as much is still half as what I paid when i got mine |
| 15:35.17 | Workfoz | hehe |
| 15:35.25 | Kalroth | Timmeh: do you plan on using your SSD for anything out of the ordinary? if not, then pick either |
| 15:35.29 | Workfoz | chiel: different type of cells at the least, and the pro is not actually a competitor to the EVO but to the discontinued "840" (non-pro, non-evo) |
| 15:35.38 | Timmeh | Kalroth: I wasn't going to get an SSD at all |
| 15:35.41 | Kalroth | most of the arguing going on here is irrelevant for normal usage |
| 15:35.42 | Timmeh | but nevcairiel is forcing me to |
| 15:35.44 | Timmeh | >:( |
| 15:36.00 | Kalroth | you haven't computed properly in the 10's before you use an SSD |
| 15:36.02 | Workfoz | Kalroth speaks teh true |
| 15:36.07 | nevcairiel | wiat for sata express ssds, and see them beating the bants of any we have right now |
| 15:36.19 | nevcairiel | s/bants/pants/ |
| 15:36.20 | Workfoz | pff wait for nvme! :D |
| 15:36.24 | chiel | arf |
| 15:36.31 | nevcairiel | thats part of the sata express concept |
| 15:36.31 | chiel | hard to pick with this much info flying around :D |
| 15:36.36 | Workfoz | http://anandtech.com/show/8006/samsung-ssd-xp941-review-the-pcie-era-is-here crazy |
| 15:36.39 | chiel | i just want a ~250gb drive |
| 15:36.40 | Timmeh | I realise it's not veyr relevant, but when picking between 2 SSDs of the exact same price, might as well try to pick the one that comes out slightly ahead (if there is one that comes out slightly ahead) |
| 15:36.40 | nevcairiel | if not adopted at first |
| 15:36.46 | chiel | which is not lucicrously expensive :p |
| 15:36.49 | chiel | but is reliable |
| 15:37.48 | Timmeh | I was asking about the PCIe ones earlier, seems the ASUS Z97M-Plus mobo has support for M.2, that's one of the PCIe connected SSD standards right? not SATA-Express, but the other one? :-P |
| 15:37.55 | Timmeh | does that take away from GPU PCIe lanes? |
| 15:38.01 | Timmeh | I'd guess it does |
| 15:38.04 | Timmeh | but then, is that relevant? |
| 15:38.06 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: its too bad the controller on that one can't beat random performance of the Pro |
| 15:38.20 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: on which one now? the channel speed is a bit much for me right now :D |
| 15:38.30 | nevcairiel | Timmeh: no, these things are typically connected to the lanes from the chipset, not the ones directly tying the GPU to the CPU |
| 15:38.34 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: the xp941 |
| 15:38.35 | Workfoz | Timmeh: no, the CPU has more PCIe lanes than just 16 |
| 15:38.42 | Timmeh | kk |
| 15:38.49 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: I'd have to review the graphs again, maybe later tonight |
| 15:39.10 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: well in short, sequential it beats everything, but random its just bottom of the field |
| 15:39.13 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: only thing I know is that what I meant was the part on page 2: it's still AHCI, not nvme |
| 15:39.27 | Timmeh | what is M500 vs. M550? just newer gen? |
| 15:39.37 | Workfoz | not quite |
| 15:39.39 | chiel | so the harddrive you pick is also somewhat dependent on the motherboard? |
| 15:39.43 | nevcairiel | while the real PCIe SSDs like the OCZ RevoDrive beat everything by a order of magnitude in random |
| 15:39.44 | Workfoz | M550 is supposed to cover the enthusiast end |
| 15:39.59 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: they do that by being big fat raid 0 arrays internally, though |
| 15:40.02 | Timmeh | Workfoz: ic |
| 15:40.09 | nevcairiel | (that is random write, read is a different picture) |
| 15:40.20 | Timmeh | chiel: not quite, the normal SATA SSDs will work fine |
| 15:40.28 | Workfoz | there's a successor to the M500 coming out in ~June, MX100 or something, with 16 nm flash |
| 15:40.51 | Timmeh | Workfoz: I see |
| 15:40.54 | nevcairiel | chiel: well SSDs have hit a bottleneck at SATA speed, so new interfaces are pushing right now for more speed |
| 15:40.58 | Workfoz | but... there's always something new around the corner, no point in waiting |
| 15:41.01 | nevcairiel | M.2 however is still a plain SATA connector |
| 15:41.13 | Workfoz | M.2 supporst PCIe as well |
| 15:41.13 | chiel | i guess the problem with hardware is that there'll always be something coming up within a month or two :p |
| 15:41.20 | Timmeh | I thought the idea of M.2 was that it can connect either SATA or PCIe |
| 15:41.22 | Workfoz | which is what that XP941 is |
| 15:41.25 | Workfoz | indeed Timmeh |
| 15:41.27 | chiel | nevcairiel: ah ok, i'll have to check what the sabretooth has, then :) |
| 15:41.48 | nevcairiel | hm right, M.2 supports both |
| 15:41.51 | Workfoz | M.2 is the "socket" version of the SATA express "cable version" |
| 15:41.53 | nevcairiel | thats why mSATA had to go |
| 15:41.58 | nevcairiel | it only supported one |
| 15:42.02 | Workfoz | they're both trying to achieve the same thing: SATA + pcie on the same interface |
| 15:42.31 | nevcairiel | my server has a mSATA SSD for booting, was quite nice to simply screw it on the board instead of bothering with cabling |
| 15:42.38 | Workfoz | on the other side of the stack there's AHCI and NVMe, but the only things I know about NVMe are that: it's not available, yet, and it will have even lower latency overhead |
| 15:43.04 | nevcairiel | yeah, AHCI is too generic, and with NVMe being optimized for SSDs, it might help on latency |
| 15:43.22 | nevcairiel | probably needs yet another generation of boards though |
| 15:43.30 | Workfoz | quite likely |
| 15:44.14 | Workfoz | signing out, cya later |
| 15:44.28 | Timmeh | cya |
| 15:44.31 | Workfoz | (shit, I have to do my taxes today or I won't be able to send them in in time... lolol procrastination) |
| 15:44.40 | nevcairiel | you will fail |
| 15:44.44 | Workfoz | I will |
| 15:45.01 | chiel | xD |
| 15:45.03 | Timmeh | well, SSD performance seems good on both the M550 and 840 EVO |
| 15:45.04 | chiel | good luck with that |
| 15:45.06 | Timmeh | more interested in durability |
| 15:45.10 | Timmeh | is that still a concern? |
| 15:45.45 | Timmeh | or is that only a concern when doing massive writes 24/7 nowadays? |
| 15:45.46 | znf | No |
| 15:45.51 | znf | Not even |
| 15:46.00 | Timmeh | alright |
| 15:46.58 | znf | I'd estimate that even at high I/O, a ssd will probably last you more than 5 years |
| 15:47.50 | chiel | time to go home, bbl |
| 15:47.51 | chiel | o/ |
| 15:48.36 | Timmeh | well, my last PC lasted me 7 years, I secretly hope this one will do the same! :-P |
| 15:48.40 | Timmeh | current PC* |
| 15:49.34 | nevcairiel | the CPU performance curve has really balanced quite a bit, so the CPU might, if you're into gaming it might require a single GPU upgrade |
| 15:50.09 | Timmeh | yea, on my HD4870, things are medium-ish currently |
| 15:50.13 | Timmeh | but still, 7 years later, quite decent |
| 15:57.16 | znf | I really need a new GPU |
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| 16:06.32 | Timmeh | just read a few articles |
| 16:07.03 | Timmeh | one article claims the 840 EVO is faster reading+writing, the other that the M550 is faster writing, EVO in reading, the other that the M550 is faster in both |
| 16:07.17 | Timmeh | and then one article claims the M550 lifespan would be much higher (double?!) |
| 16:07.46 | nevcairiel | ssd lifespan is really much theory, not much practice |
| 16:08.24 | nevcairiel | can't afford to run a drive model for 5 years through testing before selling it :p |
| 16:08.25 | Timmeh | another one claims that the 840 EVO's better "housekeeping" means the TLC vs. MLC losses are completely non-existant |
| 16:10.29 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: just ran into this test: http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4178/10/ |
| 16:10.41 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: scroll to the bottom of the article (just above the comments) |
| 16:10.47 | nevcairiel | 404 |
| 16:10.52 | Timmeh | hm |
| 16:10.55 | Timmeh | http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4178/10/hardwareinfo-tests-lifespan-of-samsung-ssd-840-250gb-tlc-ssd-updated-with-final-conclusion-final-update-20-6-2013 |
| 16:10.58 | Timmeh | that? |
| 16:11.02 | nevcairiel | that works |
| 16:11.18 | Timmeh | that's a pretty decent lifespan >_> |
| 16:11.18 | Timmeh | <_< |
| 16:12.00 | nevcairiel | yeah its all just theory, in practice you will never write enough data to wear it out in a reasonable timespan |
| 16:12.09 | Timmeh | seems like it |
| 16:12.32 | Timmeh | they actually did do all the writes, in their tests, and came to 3x the manufaturer specified amount of write cycles |
| 16:13.02 | Timmeh | I guess in theory they may have received some hand picked samples |
| 16:13.05 | Timmeh | so let's go with 2x |
| 16:13.10 | Timmeh | should still be good enough :-P |
| 16:18.18 | Timmeh | I'll probably still end up getting the M550, because of the "idea" of MLC vs TLC >_> |
| 16:18.31 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: I hate you for getting me to get an SSD |
| 16:18.47 | nevcairiel | good |
| 16:18.58 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz hated me today as well, i'm being successfull |
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| 16:19.22 | Megalon | nev, i love you from the bottom with my hard |
| 16:19.40 | Timmeh | *awaits the noun that comes after "hard"* |
| 16:20.52 | Timmeh | so now, 256 or 512 |
| 16:21.08 | Timmeh | nevcairiel: what do you store on your SSD? |
| 16:21.56 | nevcairiel | my OS and usually 1-2 games which i play right now |
| 16:22.11 | nevcairiel | and i have a second ssd where my source code lives |
| 16:22.20 | Timmeh | right |
| 16:22.22 | nevcairiel | because compiling is just super-charged without IO troubles |
| 16:22.30 | Timmeh | yea |
| 16:22.44 | nevcairiel | (the second ssd is just my old one when i upgraded) |
| 16:22.57 | nevcairiel | next time around might get one big one to solve that |
| 16:23.05 | Timmeh | right |
| 16:24.27 | Timmeh | any development I do I do on my server anyway, and since I hardly do any development on compiled language, IO isn't very relevant for development for me |
| 16:24.50 | nevcairiel | I do alot of C and C++, on big projects no less, and complete rebuilds are common |
| 16:24.58 | nevcairiel | which is why i also want an 8 core when they come out |
| 16:25.14 | Timmeh | :-) |
| 16:26.50 | Timmeh | I'm unsure whether I then want a 512GB one, so I basically won't even need another hard disk, or a 256GB one with a big "normal" HD "just in case" |
| 16:26.51 | Fisker | I love you nevcairiel |
| 16:27.14 | nevcairiel | I have a normal hdd on the side, some games are just so huge |
| 16:27.20 | nevcairiel | also, scratch disc for various things |
| 16:27.28 | Timmeh | yea, I guess that makes sense |
| 16:27.28 | Stanzilla | thx nev |
| 16:27.34 | Timmeh | I still have a 1.5TB disk lying around anyway |
| 16:27.36 | nevcairiel | Fisker: I love me too |
| 16:27.42 | Timmeh | so just 256GB SSD + that then |
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| 16:35.03 | quiescens | the game streaming in steam is kind of funny |
| 16:35.05 | quiescens | o.o |
| 16:35.36 | Stanzilla | slouken wrote that |
| 16:36.06 | quiescens | ? |
| 16:36.32 | Stanzilla | the in home streaming feature |
| 16:36.40 | quiescens | ah |
| 16:37.39 | haste | hacks |
| 16:37.39 | Timmeh | "in home streaming"? o.o |
| 16:38.50 | Stanzilla | Timmeh: http://store.steampowered.com/streaming/ |
| 16:39.43 | pompy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/20/silverlight_attacks_spike_as_ekers_shift_java_cross_hairs/ |
| 16:41.13 | quiescens | you stream a game from a windows pc to something else running steam in your home |
| 16:41.15 | quiescens | or so on |
| 16:42.12 | Timmeh | ah, that's only between Steam installed computers |
| 16:42.14 | Timmeh | that's too bad :-D |
| 16:42.27 | quiescens | why? |
| 16:42.53 | Timmeh | I'd totally put on a Dota2 stream on my PC, and stream it to my TV |
| 16:42.59 | quiescens | anyway, it was funny streaming from my gaming pc to a little linux laptop |
| 16:43.06 | Timmeh | hah, I bet |
| 16:43.15 | Timmeh | how is the performance/latency? |
| 16:44.02 | quiescens | i wouldn't be able to play anything actiony with the way i have it set up, but it runs very well considering it was over wireless to a laptop with an old atom cpu |
| 16:44.51 | Timmeh | I see |
| 16:46.03 | quiescens | actually, i can't really properly try anything actiony because i only have a touchpad for my laptop |
| 16:46.07 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 16:47.30 | quiescens | I think its bandwidth more so than cpu etc though |
| 16:48.27 | quiescens | hmm |
| 16:48.33 | quiescens | i'll try path of exile on a non hc char |
| 16:48.34 | quiescens | lol |
| 16:49.34 | quiescens | yeah works pretty well actually, i have more of an issue trying to play with the trackpad |
| 16:49.37 | quiescens | than the fact that its streaming |
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| 17:31.20 | sb | Gnarfoz: "Due to your existing WildStar beta account being created with a North American version beta code, your recently purchased European WildStar Pre-order Code could not be added. We have corrected this and your WildStar account is now your appropriate territory (EUROPE). Please try upgrading your beta account again. |
| 17:31.25 | sb | " |
| 17:31.27 | sb | thats why |
| 17:33.50 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 17:33.54 | Funkeh` | I had that issue also |
| 17:34.02 | Funkeh` | so did a massive amount of other people |
| 17:34.08 | Funkeh` | considering it was no1 FAQ |
| 17:34.42 | Funkeh` | but that's what you get when you're stupid enough to have your beta keys bind to a region when there's only 1 region available |
| 17:35.15 | nevcairiel | isnt just people sneaking keys across the globe? :p |
| 17:35.44 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 17:35.50 | Fisker | time to asdfgsfds |
| 17:36.08 | nevcairiel | asdf? |
| 17:36.20 | Fisker | asdfgsfds |
| 17:39.42 | Gnarfoz | sdfsfsg |
| 17:40.07 | Gnarfoz | also, sb... what? why'd you pick a NA key in the first place, then :o or were you sent one? |
| 17:47.38 | Gnarfoz | tehlulz |
| 17:47.44 | Gnarfoz | pompy: I never got a window for your PMs |
| 17:48.02 | Gnarfoz | just saw them when I connected straight to irssi on my server |
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| 18:52.16 | pompy | Gnarfoz: mean! |
| 18:52.17 | pompy | lol |
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| 18:53.55 | bluspacecow | LOL http://i.imgur.com/WllgP.jpg |
| 18:55.34 | pompy | lazerz |
| 18:59.05 | Funkeh` | is there a photo in that pile of noise? |
| 18:59.49 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 19:05.55 | znf | yay home |
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| 19:34.54 | Repo | reforgelite: 03iroared * r122 (6 files in 1 directory): update |
| 19:35.06 | Repo | reforgelite: 03iroared 04v1.38 * r123 : Tagging as v1.38 |
| 19:36.00 | Stanzilla | update |
| 19:36.01 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 19:37.35 | Gnarfoz | not ok |
| 19:37.47 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 19:37.56 | quiescens | gives stanzilla a cookie |
| 19:38.06 | Stanzilla | not ok |
| 19:38.13 | quiescens | ): |
| 20:02.57 | Gnarfoz | hrrm |
| 20:03.09 | Gnarfoz | high rain chance for all days except Friday, sb :| |
| 20:04.22 | Gnarfoz | ermmm... installing update 2 of 1? http://i.imgur.com/RLai0WG.png :D |
| 20:08.04 | Gnarfoz | oh god |
| 20:08.31 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: did you put your account details in IBAN format for your recent tax filing? |
| 20:08.42 | nevcairiel | as if i have done a tax filing |
| 20:09.48 | Gnarfoz | thought you did? |
| 20:09.54 | Gnarfoz | meh |
| 20:10.02 | Gnarfoz | oh god, Steuernummer, Steuer ID |
| 20:10.12 | Gnarfoz | and responsible Finanzamt |
| 20:10.17 | nevcairiel | those i even know |
| 20:10.17 | Gnarfoz | I spent hours figuring those out last time |
| 20:10.24 | Gnarfoz | I should just open the old one |
| 20:11.16 | Gnarfoz | right, Steuernummer I don't have, yet |
| 20:11.28 | nevcairiel | you do, they just didnt tell it to you yet |
| 20:11.39 | Gnarfoz | yes, that's what the checkbox is labeled as |
| 20:11.57 | Gnarfoz | "fuckers didn't tell me, yet!" |
| 20:11.58 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:12.23 | Gnarfoz | oh god, individuelle Fahrzeugkosten |
| 20:12.24 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 20:12.38 | Gnarfoz | I don't have any usable receipts for those anyway, I guess |
| 20:12.48 | Gnarfoz | what would you even use as proof for those? |
| 20:14.51 | nevcairiel | dont ask me, i dont even own a car |
| 20:16.27 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 20:16.45 | Gnarfoz | also, great, I probably have to put my ALG1 from first part of 2010 in there |
| 20:16.58 | Gnarfoz | which means I might actually have to pay them money |
| 20:18.17 | Stanzilla | my steuererklärung is the best |
| 20:18.19 | Stanzilla | income nope |
| 20:18.22 | Stanzilla | done |
| 20:18.25 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:18.34 | nevcairiel | get a job |
| 20:18.47 | Stanzilla | that's so mainstream |
| 20:19.10 | nevcairiel | sozialschmarotzer is also quite common :p |
| 20:19.14 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 20:19.23 | Stanzilla | I'm not one of those though |
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| 20:20.19 | znf | Stanzilla is a rich parents kid! :D |
| 20:21.34 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 20:25.37 | Repo | shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.10.7-10-g6aac138 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 20:25.38 | Repo | 6aac138: Fixed an error if you already had auraIndicators loaded previously |
| 20:25.38 | Repo | b1fc004: Event registration typo |
| 20:36.09 | Gnarfoz | he made it big with his company |
| 20:36.11 | Gnarfoz | or something! |
| 20:37.18 | nevcairiel | then he wouldnt have zero income :P |
| 20:37.33 | Gnarfoz | sure, could have made it last year |
| 20:37.39 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, the year before |
| 20:38.12 | nevcairiel | your theory is getting holes |
| 20:38.15 | Gnarfoz | meh looks like I'll have to grab all the old paperwork from where I buried it |
| 20:38.36 | Gnarfoz | I put 0 holidays/sick days, that can't be right |
| 20:38.47 | nevcairiel | 365 work days |
| 20:38.50 | nevcairiel | you busy bee |
| 20:41.01 | Gnarfoz | oh hell, I know why I put 0 in there |
| 20:41.05 | Gnarfoz | it's not on my Abrechnung |
| 20:41.39 | Gnarfoz | and I don't have access to those 4 year old records, great |
| 20:41.51 | Gnarfoz | so I'll have to make something up? that seems like a bad idea :D |
| 20:45.20 | znf | 10 Minutes @ 180˚C, my ass |
| 20:45.23 | znf | my nuggets are soggy |
| 20:45.30 | znf | Let's turn it up to 200 for 5 more minutes |
| 20:45.38 | nevcairiel | maybe you didnt pre-heat properly |
| 20:51.54 | znf | I did |
| 20:51.55 | znf | said 180 |
| 20:52.13 | znf | I waited until the oven's red light turned off (signaling that it reached the desired temperature) |
| 20:52.17 | Gnarfoz | guess I'll have to say I used all my vacation time |
| 20:52.46 | nevcairiel | i totally do not look forward to doing that next year |
| 20:53.14 | nevcairiel | although i'm not exactly sure why you're needing 4 year old shit, or are you really trying to do all the old one as well now? |
| 20:54.19 | znf | I'm with Stanzilla here |
| 20:54.24 | znf | good to have 0 income |
| 20:54.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: of course, I never did one before |
| 20:54.44 | Gnarfoz | I can do up to 4 years back, which is, incidentally, when I started working |
| 20:54.46 | nevcairiel | well that doesnt mean you have to do them =p |
| 20:54.52 | Gnarfoz | of course not |
| 20:54.57 | Gnarfoz | but why wouldn't I? free money! |
| 20:55.16 | nevcairiel | well if there is any! |
| 20:55.36 | Gnarfoz | currently says I'd get back 1086.17 € |
| 20:56.07 | Gnarfoz | one thing I'm wondering about, though, is if I have to do 2011, 2012, 2013 now, too, because I did 2010 |
| 20:56.15 | nevcairiel | I won't bother, I barely have any expenses, no car, no nothing |
| 20:56.25 | Gnarfoz | there's lots of Pauschalbeträge, though |
| 20:57.07 | Gnarfoz | also, since Einkommenssteuer they deduct for you is based on an estimation, you might get something back even if you put nothing in except your Lohnsteuererklärung data |
| 20:57.26 | Gnarfoz | well, all of this is more complicated for you starting now, but... yeah |
| 20:57.27 | nevcairiel | my company did that at the end of every year automagically |
| 20:57.44 | Gnarfoz | I doubt they did, because I doubt they have the authority to |
| 20:57.56 | Gnarfoz | but... I might be wrong :D |
| 20:59.19 | nevcairiel | I asked my steuerberater, and he said that huge companies typically do Einkommenssteuerausgleich for their employees, compensating for the estimation and actual values |
| 20:59.25 | Gnarfoz | god, stupid neighbors dog going mad again |
| 20:59.50 | Gnarfoz | hm, in that case, your December or January Abrechnung probably looks funny |
| 21:00.40 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: ball up some peanut butter and throw it in the dog's general direction. enjoy an hour of quiet |
| 21:00.47 | nevcairiel | considering my income didn't really change much at all, the estimations were pretty close, but yeah |
| 21:00.52 | Gnarfoz | peanut butter does not exist in Germany, the end |
| 21:01.14 | Neffi | wtf. is Germany a the 8th level of hell? |
| 21:01.18 | Gnarfoz | also, it's an apartment building, I don't have... access to the dog |
| 21:01.31 | nevcairiel | we just don't eat peanut butter |
| 21:01.39 | nevcairiel | its all nutella country |
| 21:01.44 | Gnarfoz | \o/ |
| 21:01.48 | Neffi | well don't throw nutella at the dog! |
| 21:02.00 | Neffi | ;) |
| 21:02.06 | Gnarfoz | I just might! |
| 21:02.12 | Gnarfoz | (I don't have any :|) |
| 21:02.46 | Gnarfoz | now I know why I never finished this tax thing back when I first did it |
| 21:03.10 | Gnarfoz | I'll have to dig out receipts for stuff I bought 4 years ago >_> |
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| 21:04.17 | Gnarfoz | what the hell did I buy for 335.02€ and 222.48€ that I put under Computer here |
| 21:04.32 | Gnarfoz | :s |
| 21:05.09 | Stanzilla | ssd? |
| 21:05.16 | Gnarfoz | yeah, SSD is probably one of them |
| 21:05.42 | nevcairiel | it helps ordering everything online, you can check your mail archives! |
| 21:05.47 | Gnarfoz | I selected "2. Festplatte" for both of them, since that's the only non-retarded category they had |
| 21:06.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: good idea, but I'll still have to dig up the actual receipt |
| 21:06.40 | nevcairiel | i used to sort all my receipts by d ate, but i've been slacking and have a huuuuuuge pile of them in need of sorting |
| 21:07.03 | Gnarfoz | *cough* |
| 21:07.19 | nevcairiel | the pile is probably the last two years <.< |
| 21:07.45 | nevcairiel | anyway, sleeping time |
| 21:07.59 | Gnarfoz | every time I need to clean up my room (like, parents "oh let's visit you for a holiday, it'll be nice!" - GTFO), I just pile more of such stacks onto the big stack in one of my cabinets |
| 21:08.02 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 21:08.19 | Gnarfoz | I think 2010-2011 might be the most orderly, that's actually mostly in some folders |
| 21:08.31 | Gnarfoz | after that... huge pile of paper. |
| 21:12.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah 2x HDD, 1x SSD |
| 21:12.54 | Gnarfoz | can't hurt to put them there, if they don't want to recognize it, they won't ^^ |
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| 21:22.53 | Gnarfoz | da fuq |
| 21:23.10 | Gnarfoz | "Trinkgeld für Möbelpacker" is here under "Umzug: Sonstige Kosten" |
| 21:24.39 | znf | much german |
| 21:49.56 | Gnarfoz | sayhwat |
| 21:50.21 | Gnarfoz | for reasons I don't understand it's saying I'll have to pay some more church tax |
| 21:50.23 | Gnarfoz | Oo |
| 21:50.38 | Stanzilla | why are you in the church |
| 21:50.41 | Gnarfoz | I'm not |
| 21:50.50 | Gnarfoz | I quit for that very reason, I should only have to pay the first half month of my employment |
| 21:51.23 | Gnarfoz | I quit like 2 days before moving from Hannover, which of course was in the same month I started working, so I had to pay until end of May 2010 |
| 21:51.30 | Gnarfoz | not sure why it's saying I'll have to pay some ~50€ |
| 21:51.42 | Gnarfoz | possibly a bug :D |
| 21:51.55 | Repo | arl-alchemy (experimental): 03Torhal 07master * b5aa8ab (7 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit. |
| 21:52.50 | Gnarfoz | of course I don't have any proof of when I quit |
| 21:52.52 | Gnarfoz | >_< |
| 21:53.11 | znf | tehee |
| 21:53.17 | znf | you're so going to pay the church |
| 21:53.27 | znf | you... believer! |
| 21:53.41 | Gnarfoz | tbh, I'm still getting about ~1085€ |
| 21:53.43 | Gnarfoz | not bad |
| 21:53.43 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:53.54 | Gnarfoz | well, at least that's what the program says after what I put in |
| 21:54.07 | Gnarfoz | depends on tax guys if they accept it this way ;P |
| 21:54.07 | znf | http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/26/human-suspended-animation-trials/ |
| 21:54.09 | znf | uuuuh, do want |
| 21:56.54 | Stanzilla | oh god Torhal |
| 21:56.58 | Stanzilla | many modules inc? |
| 21:57.03 | Torhal | 11 |
| 21:57.07 | Stanzilla | rly |
| 21:57.08 | Stanzilla | why |
| 21:58.02 | Torhal | It's getting to be unwieldy as the expansions come, and I'd also like to whittle it down a bit. Plus Ackis and I planned on doing this two (or is it three, now) years ago. |
| 21:58.06 | Torhal | I just kept putting it off. |
| 21:58.22 | Stanzilla | I'm ok with modules but keep it in the same project :E |
| 21:59.24 | znf | what http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/05/new-windows-8-1-with-bing-sku-announced/ ? |
| 21:59.52 | Gnarfoz | ohä |
| 21:59.54 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 21:59.55 | Gnarfoz | apparently |
| 22:00.02 | Stanzilla | old znf |
| 22:00.03 | Gnarfoz | legalese got me |
| 22:00.22 | Stanzilla | wat |
| 22:00.25 | Gnarfoz | I actually have time until 31 December 2014 |
| 22:00.32 | Gnarfoz | to send in my tax thing for 2010 |
| 22:00.43 | Gnarfoz | I thought I had until 31 May |
| 22:01.38 | Gnarfoz | the only thing I'm confused about is: what effect does sending my first tax filing in on the deadlines of the following ones |
| 22:02.07 | Gnarfoz | because sending one in without them asking you to means you have to do it every year |
| 22:02.35 | Gnarfoz | I guess I'll call and ask them :P |
| 22:03.40 | Gnarfoz | also I now remember why I didn't put my bus tickets in there the first time |
| 22:03.53 | Gnarfoz | I'd have to show receipts for those >_> |
| 22:04.04 | Gnarfoz | curses all paperwork to eternity |
| 22:05.15 | znf | So... |
| 22:05.15 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/0HWZmVK.png |
| 22:05.19 | znf | how do I remove this quest? :-| |
| 22:08.52 | Gnarfoz | are you actually on the quest |
| 22:09.05 | Gnarfoz | and/or have you tried running the abandon function manually |
| 22:09.34 | Gnarfoz | (the first question was of course supposed to mean: try using the api function to check if you're actually on the quest) |
| 22:09.42 | Gnarfoz | gah fuck it, I'll have to remove the bus tickets >_> |
| 22:15.29 | Gnarfoz | lol Bitte benutzen Sie während der Registrierung nicht die "Zurück"- beziehungsweise "Back"-Funktionalität Ihres Browsers, da die Anwendung sonst nicht korrekt arbeitet. |
| 22:15.32 | Gnarfoz | quality work |
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| 22:27.12 | Torhal | Stanzilla: So all the BigWigs modules should be shoved back into the core? :D |
| 22:27.40 | Stanzilla | Torhal: the up to date ones are in the main project |
| 22:27.48 | Stanzilla | as professions are always up 2 date |
| 22:27.49 | Stanzilla | ??? |
| 22:28.12 | Torhal | If you don't care about Jewelcrafting or Inscription... |
| 22:28.31 | Humbedooh | stuffs Torhal back into the core |
| 22:28.53 | Torhal | Hell, I didn't have most of the professions until I started testing for the split. |
| 22:29.05 | Torhal | New toons FTW. |
| 22:29.15 | Stanzilla | if you dont load them |
| 22:29.18 | Stanzilla | no biggy |
| 22:29.33 | Torhal | Same could be said about the BigWigs stuff. |
| 22:30.13 | Humbedooh | Torhal in flight, afternoon delight |
| 22:30.27 | Funkeh` | old modules aren't in separate projects because of loading, they are all LoD. They are separate due to zip size |
| 22:30.29 | Torhal | stuffs Humbedooh into a fortune cookie. |
| 22:30.36 | Humbedooh | mmm cozy |
| 22:33.26 | Torhal | Same issue, here. All LoD, and some of the bigger professions are quite large. |
| 22:34.50 | Torhal | Alchemy isn't one of the larger ones and it's at 33.3KB without the localizations - I haven't split those from the core yet. |
| 22:35.23 | znf | Why does a "Charge" have to stun you in WoW? :-| |
| 22:35.26 | znf | What's the reasoning? |
| 22:35.35 | Torhal | You just got knocked the fuck out! |
| 22:35.42 | znf | There's someone "charging" towards you - why are you suddenly stunned? |
| 22:35.56 | Torhal | Someone charges you and slams into you, there's the force of impact. |
| 22:36.04 | znf | but in WoW you first get stunned, then you get knocked down... |
| 22:36.12 | Torhal | It's a game. |
| 22:36.13 | Torhal | :D |
| 22:38.22 | Gnarfoz | uh oh |
| 22:38.24 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 22:38.28 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 22:38.31 | znf | I hate this damn Island so fuckin' much |
| 22:39.06 | znf | no flying, that bullshit pvp crap |
| 22:39.13 | Gnarfoz | I guess I was obligated to do file taxes in 2010 |
| 22:39.14 | znf | you're in combat, 20% hp, a rogue comes and tries to kill you |
| 22:39.25 | znf | you get him to 10%, almost dies... but poof, vanish, runs away |
| 22:39.27 | znf | !@#!#!)@#! |
| 22:39.27 | Gnarfoz | because I got ALG1 in 2010 |
| 22:39.42 | Stanzilla | pve server <3 |
| 22:39.51 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Ouch. Penalties bad? |
| 22:39.52 | Gnarfoz | why are you at 20% HP while fighting mobs |
| 22:39.59 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: I have literally no idea |
| 22:40.04 | Torhal | :/ |
| 22:40.11 | znf | Gnarfoz, big flame guys on the island |
| 22:40.16 | znf | they do like, one attack, poof, 20% |
| 22:40.23 | Gnarfoz | the ones you're supposed to dodge? |
| 22:40.31 | znf | i dodged all that :P |
| 22:40.33 | Gnarfoz | you're not even melee :D |
| 22:40.38 | znf | but they charge to you :P |
| 22:40.46 | znf | if you range pull, they charge |
| 22:40.57 | Gnarfoz | don't pull those, then >D |
| 22:41.07 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: I'll just continue on |
| 22:41.09 | znf | all of the cow guys charge... |
| 22:41.15 | znf | them ordos thingies |
| 22:41.29 | Gnarfoz | only the chargers |
| 22:41.42 | Stanzilla | you are a priest |
| 22:41.43 | Stanzilla | just vanish |
| 22:41.43 | Gnarfoz | whatever their stupid name is |
| 22:41.55 | znf | Stanzilla, I did. They evade when I do that :D |
| 22:42.04 | Stanzilla | so? |
| 22:42.08 | Stanzilla | I thought you want to survive |
| 22:42.09 | znf | I want to kill them? :P |
| 22:42.18 | Gnarfoz | (they're named after the little pots the put down, I can't recall what its name is, though) |
| 22:42.19 | Stanzilla | vanish, heal up, try again |
| 22:42.37 | znf | I don't have a problem with the mobs. I have a problem with people being dicks |
| 22:42.49 | Gnarfoz | well, pvp server |
| 22:42.58 | Gnarfoz | they are for dicks >_> |
| 22:43.02 | Stanzilla | http://www.twitter.com/CSSForge/status/471058547606704128 |
| 22:43.05 | Gnarfoz | that's why we play on one! |
| 22:43.54 | znf | well, our server is hardly what you could consider a PvP one... it just happens that it's tagged PvP. There's no PvP on it. It's 99% horde, 1% alliance |
| 22:44.01 | znf | Hence, why we decided to make this a home for us :P |
| 22:44.22 | znf | "Come here, sure, it's pvp, nope, no allies in sight, so it's just pve basically" |
| 22:44.24 | znf | Mkay... |
| 22:45.21 | znf | Who would have thought that years after, you could pvp your own faction? :P |
| 22:47.42 | Repo | scorchio2: 03ywfn * r175 (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 22:47.42 | Repo | Update Flamestrike support for the current behavior of the spell (old Flamestrike settings will be reset to defaults, which is to not track it) |
| 22:54.15 | znf | The fuck is this shit |
| 22:54.21 | znf | I open up gpu-z |
| 22:54.27 | znf | My gpu crashes |
| 22:54.32 | znf | Display goes to sleep |
| 22:54.51 | Stanzilla | bad driver |
| 22:59.06 | Stanzilla | pizza time |
| 23:02.47 | znf | http://unethicalhacks.com/ |
| 23:02.47 | znf | lol |
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| 23:25.29 | Stanzilla | I dropped something and can't find it |
| 23:29.48 | znf | always a bad thing to do! |
| 23:31.25 | Stanzilla | yeah I think it's a funghi |
| 23:38.02 | znf | Soo... |
| 23:38.03 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/oDV3D3O.jpg |
| 23:38.25 | znf | why the fuck isn't this guys card affected by that silly UVD feature? |
| 23:38.33 | znf | why isn't the damn thing underclocking? |
| 23:43.57 | znf | Stanzilla, http://wod.wowhead.com/item=109599 |
| 23:43.58 | znf | :-( |
| 23:47.46 | Stanzilla | old |
| 23:49.15 | znf | *cry* |
