| 00:08.59 | Semlar | wowprogress runs simcraft with a very low number of iterations so the results vary wildly and are mostly worthless |
| 00:10.01 | Semlar | and in my experience it was hardly ever updated |
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| 00:43.18 | Repo | art-cooking (experimental): 03Torhal 07master * 85ea792 (9 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit. |
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| 00:55.39 | Repo | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: Blacksmithing - http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl-blacksmithing/ |
| 00:55.39 | Repo | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: Cooking - http://www.wowace.com/addons/art-cooking/ |
| 00:55.45 | Stanzilla | omg Torhal |
| 00:55.52 | Stanzilla | I did normal instead of experimental |
| 00:55.55 | Stanzilla | I hope you can live with that |
| 00:56.13 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Still did experimental. |
| 00:56.21 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 00:56.34 | Stanzilla | ckk saving the day |
| 00:56.46 | Torhal | Ahahaha |
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| 02:57.42 | Repo | art-enchanting (experimental): 03Torhal 07master * 7296665 (8 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit. |
| 03:00.58 | Repo | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: Enchanting - http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl-enchanting/ |
| 03:10.35 | nebula169 | Torhal: "art-enchanting" ? :p also why splitting up the addon |
| 03:11.09 | Torhal | nebula169: I fixed the slug afterward. |
| 03:11.18 | Torhal | And it's becoming unwieldy after all these expansions. |
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| 03:12.19 | nebula169 | ah |
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| 03:12.56 | Torhal | This was actually something Ackis and I were going to do a couple or three years ago. |
| 03:13.04 | Torhal | I just...kept not doing it. |
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| 05:30.27 | bluspacecow | *noms quiescens* |
| 05:41.35 | Torhal | pickles bluspacecow in quiescens's cookies. |
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| 07:14.49 | Repo | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: Engineering - http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl-engineering/ |
| 07:14.51 | Repo | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: Inscription - http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl-inscription/ |
| 07:14.53 | Repo | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: Jewelcrafting - http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl-jewelcrafting/ |
| 07:14.58 | Repo | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: First Aid - http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl-first-aid/ |
| 07:16.13 | nebula169 | should probably fix art-cooking, too :p |
| 07:16.18 | nebula169 | @Torhal |
| 07:16.28 | Torhal | nebula169: Noooooooo |
| 07:16.58 | nebula169 | nooooooooooooooo.com |
| 07:17.30 | Torhal | Thankye. |
| 07:18.19 | nebula169 | yar, and with that, i bid thee adieu |
| 07:18.29 | Torhal | Ciao |
| 07:29.06 | pompy1 | no.jpg! |
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| 07:40.14 | Repo | arl-smelting (experimental): 03Torhal 07master * 9ec5ad0 (8 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit. |
| 07:40.16 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
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| 07:42.41 | Repo | arl-alchemy (experimental): 03Torhal 07master * 39c8b37 (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Nuked libs; ARL will already have these loaded. |
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| 07:43.27 | Cloudfoz | Moin |
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| 07:52.01 | Cloudfoz | nibbles bluspacecow |
| 07:52.21 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 07:52.37 | Cloudfoz | gives quiescens and deadly glare |
| 07:53.10 | bluspacecow | y u Cloud type foz Cloudfoz ? |
| 07:53.41 | Cloudfoz | Bcuz I is floating across different lands than usual |
| 07:55.20 | Cloudfoz | Very move, much wind |
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| 08:29.20 | nevcairiel | summons the sun |
| 08:29.26 | nevcairiel | see Cloudfoz dissipate |
| 08:29.28 | nevcairiel | +s |
| 08:36.22 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 08:36.30 | Fisker | The sun was already there |
| 08:36.31 | Fisker | sry |
| 08:37.25 | Fisker | hoho |
| 08:37.42 | Fisker | one of the smartwatches back from the pebble era is getting ready to manufacture samples |
| 08:37.47 | Fisker | they should get them in a couple of weeks |
| 08:37.52 | Fisker | meanwhile, Moto 360 next month |
| 08:37.53 | Fisker | :3 |
| 08:43.29 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 08:43.36 | Fisker | THen I hate you nevcairiel |
| 08:43.39 | Fisker | and Cloudfoz |
| 08:43.40 | Fisker | and Stanzilla |
| 08:43.41 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:43.47 | nevcairiel | whatfor |
| 08:46.07 | Torhal | suspends Fisker's license to hey. |
| 08:46.17 | Fisker | nope Torhal |
| 08:46.18 | Fisker | idk nevcairiel |
| 08:47.22 | Torhal | Be reasonable, Fisker. |
| 08:53.00 | nevcairiel | its Fisker, unreasonable is his middle name |
| 08:53.10 | Fisker | no :( |
| 09:09.38 | bluspacecow | Fisker |
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| 09:42.25 | Fisker | I'm sorry but no blu |
| 09:42.27 | Fisker | damnit |
| 09:42.37 | Humbedooh | Fisker |
| 09:42.51 | Fisker | Humbedooh |
| 09:43.18 | Humbedooh | stuffs Torhal inside a ballot box and votes 'nay' |
| 09:46.26 | Torhal | reverts Humbedooh to his first commit. |
| 09:52.38 | Fisker | I'm gonna steal a train |
| 09:54.04 | Humbedooh | Torhal: I did that today in fact - found a pic of myself without a beard! |
| 09:54.19 | Torhal | :O |
| 09:55.46 | Humbedooh | one of my colleagues was quite shocked that such a picture existed |
| 10:07.45 | Fisker | I'm gonna poop on Torhal |
| 10:08.01 | Torhal | Impossible, Fisker. |
| 10:08.54 | Fisker | not really |
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| 11:29.21 | harl | people wonder whether brandy vinegar is halal or not? and that's what most of the first google search results are comprised of for me? |
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| 11:34.45 | Repo | npcscan: 03Torhal 07master * 5.4.8.1-1-g7b15cdc _NPCScan.toc: [+1 commit] Removed the annoying coloration from the Title in the ToC. |
| 11:35.07 | Repo | npcscan: 03Torhal 045.4.8.2 * 8de06e8 /: [new tag] |
| 11:43.15 | bluspacecow | @Torhal would you like a jelly baby ? |
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| 13:36.03 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 13:48.33 | Fisker | Hi Stanzilla |
| 14:30.26 | Repo | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: Smelting - http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl-smelting/ |
| 14:30.26 | Repo | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: Leatherworking - http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl-leatherworking/ |
| 14:30.30 | Repo | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: Tailoring - http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl-tailoring/ |
| 14:33.03 | Megalon | New experimental addon: Ackis Recipe List: ARL modules - http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl-arl/ |
| 14:33.16 | pompy | har har! |
| 14:33.20 | pompy | ;) |
| 14:33.21 | Megalon | we have to meta |
| 14:33.37 | Megalon | it's a list.. OF LISTS |
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| 14:43.09 | Funkeh` | I didn't check, but I'm guessing the zips are large enough to warrant separate projects |
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| 16:41.29 | Sinaloit | nevcairiel: Do you have time for a question about CallbackHandler? I'm a bit confused on a section of it |
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| 16:59.07 | quiescens | o.o |
| 17:00.31 | Sinaloit | 0.^ |
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| 17:03.43 | nevcairiel | Sinaloit: its sorcery! |
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| 17:04.22 | Sinaloit | lol nah it mostly makes sense, except for lines 143-145 and 155-157. |
| 17:05.01 | quiescens | a wizard did it |
| 17:05.10 | quiescens | points at nev |
| 17:05.10 | nevcairiel | whats so special about those lines |
| 17:05.27 | nevcairiel | it allows passing a user-defined argument that gets send back to the callback function |
| 17:05.31 | Sinaloit | ah wait I think understand, duh the ... in the arg and the ... in the function def threw me off, the 2nd one is a new instance for the closure |
| 17:05.49 | Sinaloit | peeling off the first arg and passing it then the closure has its own vararg list |
| 17:06.44 | nevcairiel | yeah ... is special, it doesn't inherit into closures or anything like that, which is why the first param is put in explicitly, because we want to preserve it |
| 17:07.36 | Sinaloit | I was looking at it at first and thinking hey aren't you passing the 1st arg then the 1st arg again? but the function(...) overshadows it |
| 17:07.58 | quiescens | nerf nevcairiel |
| 17:10.02 | Sinaloit | makes sense now thanks :) apparently I didn't stare at it in the right way :) |
| 17:10.45 | quiescens | leftways |
| 17:13.30 | Stanzilla | jeesus |
| 17:13.33 | Stanzilla | that bbq was good |
| 17:17.34 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 17:17.57 | nevcairiel | i had nothing but bbq for the last 3 days \o/ |
| 17:20.24 | quiescens | gives nevcairiel a cookie |
| 17:24.42 | nevcairiel | in other news, i really like that blizzard adds CMAA as an alternative to FXAA for WoD as well, its just a better algorithm for most cases, even if more computationally expensive |
| 17:27.28 | Gnarfoz | isn't FXAA rubbish for WoW since it's engine allows MSAA/SSAA? |
| 17:28.34 | nevcairiel | MSAA is also a compromise, its not perfect |
| 17:28.46 | nevcairiel | and full super-sampling is computationally insane |
| 17:28.57 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 17:29.08 | Gnarfoz | but WoW bores current GPUs to death :P |
| 17:29.26 | Gnarfoz | (and I shouldn't really have put SSAA there, I guess that works everywhere...) |
| 17:29.32 | nevcairiel | nah, on ultra i can max my gpu |
| 17:29.37 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 17:29.44 | Gnarfoz | I'm literally always CPU bound |
| 17:29.54 | Gnarfoz | I should maybe try with addons disabled ;p |
| 17:30.18 | Gnarfoz | I forget what that render technique was called that made MSAA impossible to use/annoying to implement |
| 17:30.26 | nevcairiel | doesn't happen in high action situations, but with limited addons and a lot of visiblity distance turned up, you can |
| 17:30.28 | Gnarfoz | which many more recent engines ujse |
| 17:30.54 | nevcairiel | in any case, the two FXAA modes WoD implements even show obvious problems on the login screen |
| 17:30.59 | nevcairiel | CMAA looks perfect |
| 17:31.10 | nevcairiel | but of course the login screen is all i can test on! |
| 17:31.11 | Gnarfoz | what's CMAA even |
| 17:31.16 | Gnarfoz | another proprietary nvidia one? |
| 17:31.28 | Gnarfoz | like... what was their old one? quincunx? |
| 17:31.31 | nevcairiel | another post-processing AA that Intel developed, but its not proprietary, they opened it for anyone that cares |
| 17:31.36 | znf | all these xxAA |
| 17:31.43 | znf | I don't understand any :( |
| 17:31.53 | Gnarfoz | ...they're all anti-aliasing techniques |
| 17:31.55 | Gnarfoz | there you go! |
| 17:31.57 | nevcairiel | https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/conservative-morphological-anti-aliasing-cmaa |
| 17:32.04 | znf | what happened to 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x? |
| 17:32.49 | nevcairiel | thats just the strength of MSAA or CSAA typically |
| 17:33.00 | Stanzilla | TXAA missing! |
| 17:33.11 | Gnarfoz | znf: those are *all* MSAA |
| 17:33.18 | Gnarfoz | or SSAA, maybe |
| 17:33.23 | znf | much complex, so aliasing |
| 17:33.37 | nevcairiel | in any case, latest WoD build even disables MSAA, and with an old config.wtf that still had it enabled, it even crashed |
| 17:33.40 | Gnarfoz | only non-MS/SS-AA modes are complex to explain |
| 17:33.47 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: what? :< |
| 17:33.50 | nevcairiel | they may have moved graphics processing to modes that don't do MSAA anymore |
| 17:33.51 | Gnarfoz | that sounds horrible |
| 17:34.09 | znf | so MSAA is better than FXAA? |
| 17:34.12 | znf | or? |
| 17:34.19 | Gnarfoz | "different" is the answer you're looking for |
| 17:34.21 | nevcairiel | FXAA is much faster |
| 17:34.23 | Gnarfoz | not "better" or "worse" |
| 17:34.25 | nevcairiel | so for you, its better :p |
| 17:34.36 | Gnarfoz | totally depends on his GPU doesn't it |
| 17:34.38 | Stanzilla | I was just about to mention that MSAA is gone |
| 17:34.39 | Stanzilla | but yeah |
| 17:34.51 | Gnarfoz | I'll hate them to death if they keep it gone |
| 17:34.54 | Stanzilla | you want CSAA to not have your UI look like shit |
| 17:35.21 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: if they implement it in-game, it has zero impact on the UI, as its applied to the 3D world before the UI is painted on top |
| 17:35.30 | Stanzilla | IF |
| 17:35.31 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 17:35.38 | nevcairiel | well, they did it that way! |
| 17:35.42 | Stanzilla | good |
| 17:35.47 | znf | when was the UI ever AA'd? |
| 17:35.48 | Gnarfoz | what else would they do? just remove the other ones for kicks? |
| 17:35.51 | Gnarfoz | never |
| 17:35.57 | Stanzilla | znf: when you use FXAA via an injector |
| 17:35.57 | znf | exactly :P |
| 17:36.00 | Gnarfoz | unless you forced some custom AA externally |
| 17:36.03 | nevcairiel | if you force it using nvidias control panel on live today, you will get crap UI |
| 17:36.09 | Gnarfoz | of course you will |
| 17:36.16 | Gnarfoz | everyone who does that gets to blame themselves |
| 17:36.17 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:36.35 | znf | I don't have nVidia :-( |
| 17:36.53 | Gnarfoz | so, someone help me figure out that property of rendering engines that makes MSAA hard/impossible/annoying (I don't know which it is)? |
| 17:36.55 | Stanzilla | like I siad, injectors |
| 17:37.03 | nevcairiel | in any case, they may just be testing the new modes and disabling MSAA temporarily, or they are indeed re-working the engine that makes MSAA a limiting factor |
| 17:37.06 | Gnarfoz | I know I looked into it when Rift came along, because it couldn't do MSAA, either |
| 17:37.17 | znf | instead of all these rendering thingies |
| 17:37.23 | znf | how about some better multi-thread thingie? |
| 17:37.33 | Gnarfoz | haha I was just writing a sentence about that, znf |
| 17:37.47 | Stanzilla | that part of the engine is probably 12 years old, znf |
| 17:37.48 | Gnarfoz | if anything, when reworking their shit, they should maybe move the Lua vm out of the render thread? :P |
| 17:37.49 | znf | with less "thingie", I'm going to guess |
| 17:37.51 | Stanzilla | touch and it will explode |
| 17:38.07 | znf | Stanzilla, never too late! |
| 17:38.08 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: well, due to the nature addons work, they need to stay in-sync with the main game loop |
| 17:38.18 | Gnarfoz | I didn't say there's an easy solution |
| 17:38.27 | Gnarfoz | multi-threading is hard |
| 17:38.35 | znf | so, question |
| 17:38.41 | Gnarfoz | answer! |
| 17:38.45 | nevcairiel | From their perspective, its easier to tell people not to install hundreds of addons if they complain about performance :p |
| 17:38.51 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I'm aware |
| 17:38.55 | znf | I see that thingie about in-sync stuff always |
| 17:39.07 | znf | But why is it NOT in sync if it's running on another core? |
| 17:39.18 | Gnarfoz | that has nothing to do with it |
| 17:39.19 | znf | or, rather, another thread, whatever |
| 17:39.23 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that has |
| 17:39.30 | Gnarfoz | because it's being executed in parallel? |
| 17:39.37 | Gnarfoz | instead of serially |
| 17:39.45 | nevcairiel | the game needs to guarantee that no information changes during an addon call |
| 17:39.48 | znf | so shouldn't that keep it in sync, better? |
| 17:39.53 | nevcairiel | or weird shit happens |
| 17:39.56 | Gnarfoz | znf: no |
| 17:40.07 | znf | :-( |
| 17:40.33 | nevcairiel | they could use an async model for addons, sure |
| 17:40.40 | znf | but? |
| 17:40.43 | Gnarfoz | since car analogies are the worst, here's one: they'd be changing from a single-lane road to a multi-lane road. in a single-lane road you always know who's in what position, on a multi-lane road, stuff could move at different speeds |
| 17:40.50 | nevcairiel | and it wouldn't be all that terrible to handle and anything |
| 17:40.51 | nevcairiel | BUT |
| 17:40.57 | nevcairiel | it would break the majority of addons we have today |
| 17:41.03 | Gnarfoz | including their own UI |
| 17:41.16 | Gnarfoz | or should I say, ESPECIALLY their own UI |
| 17:41.21 | Gnarfoz | since their UI is the shittest code ever |
| 17:41.22 | znf | Is wildstar doing it? |
| 17:41.24 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 17:41.29 | Gnarfoz | same situation as WoW |
| 17:41.31 | znf | RIFT? |
| 17:41.32 | Gnarfoz | (I cried) |
| 17:41.33 | nevcairiel | it would really break everything equally |
| 17:41.37 | Gnarfoz | no idea about Rift |
| 17:42.17 | Xuerian | Well, wildstar kindof half-assed async loading, but nothing beyond that. |
| 17:42.31 | Gnarfoz | that's besides the point for this discussion |
| 17:42.40 | Stanzilla | yeah ti loads the UI after the world |
| 17:42.56 | Gnarfoz | without documentation who knows what the hell stuff should behave like :D |
| 17:43.02 | Gnarfoz | in any case: |
| 17:43.05 | nevcairiel | so does wow, it just shows the loading screen until its done with both Stanzilla :P |
| 17:43.15 | Stanzilla | yea |
| 17:43.26 | Gnarfoz | znf: the point is: for each frame drawn, the entire UI is executed once with the current state |
| 17:43.47 | Gnarfoz | which is done one after the other; repeat for every frame until the end of time |
| 17:43.57 | znf | So, what *could* they do to improve the combat log filter performance? (I'm assuming that's where the performance hit is) |
| 17:44.10 | Gnarfoz | uhh |
| 17:44.11 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 17:44.11 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:44.20 | Gnarfoz | how did you change the subject to that now |
| 17:44.23 | znf | well, addons that interact with the combat log are the most performance-taxing thingie, right? |
| 17:44.29 | znf | like dps meters, user frames etc. |
| 17:44.32 | nevcairiel | the big hit isnt the combat log itself, its what addons do with it |
| 17:44.33 | Gnarfoz | that's just a result of the setup |
| 17:44.42 | Gnarfoz | it generates a lot of data |
| 17:45.08 | Gnarfoz | addons that blindly process it all, and do so in possibly time-consuming ways, can waste FPS |
| 17:45.45 | znf | Would splitting addons in 2 categories (one "real-time" and one "doesn't matter") do any difference? Say "real-time" addons would need to be executed in sync, while the others wouldn't care (think cosmetic stuff) |
| 17:45.47 | nevcairiel | they could add a C based damage meter interface that just queries for collected values (much more efficiently), but of course it would be somewhat limited and most people wouldn't be happy :p |
| 17:45.48 | Gnarfoz | since, as I just said, for each frame drawn, the enture UI must be run - which means that for you to have 60 fps, the entire UI can't take longer than 16.6~ ms to run |
| 17:46.11 | nevcairiel | znf: addons dont get executed if they don't have work scheduled up |
| 17:46.20 | znf | Oh. |
| 17:46.20 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: OnUpdate |
| 17:46.25 | nevcairiel | if an addon doesn't register for events or OnUpdate, it won't get stuff done |
| 17:46.29 | Gnarfoz | well, that's a kind of scheduling, of course |
| 17:46.30 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: well it it doesn't have one.. :p |
| 17:46.38 | Gnarfoz | yeah I realized a moment too late |
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| 17:46.59 | Gnarfoz | znf: stuff like kgPanels for example should not eat any FPS |
| 17:47.02 | Gnarfoz | since they don't do anything |
| 17:47.06 | nevcairiel | additionally, creating frames in the UI causes them to be re-evaluated every frame |
| 17:47.15 | nevcairiel | but its really only a p roblem if you create thousands |
| 17:47.20 | nevcairiel | not 1 or two or ten |
| 17:47.21 | silentium | IIRC the Lua interpreter isn't designed to support a single Lua context spread over multiple threads |
| 17:47.32 | Gnarfoz | silentium: so? |
| 17:47.36 | nevcairiel | multiple threads would be a nightmare |
| 17:47.38 | Gnarfoz | the entire Lua context could be on thread |
| 17:47.40 | Gnarfoz | 1 thread |
| 17:47.48 | nevcairiel | could have a UI thread that gets async info from the game loop |
| 17:47.49 | Gnarfoz | it should just not be the same one that renders the game :P |
| 17:47.55 | Gnarfoz | what nev said |
| 17:47.57 | silentium | Gnarfoz: then have fun syncing that with the render thread |
| 17:48.05 | Gnarfoz | silentium: either you're late to the party or... |
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| 17:48.12 | nevcairiel | solves some problems, adds a few fun new ones |
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| 17:48.16 | nevcairiel | its not a magic bullet :p |
| 17:48.18 | znf | that's a random quit |
| 17:48.19 | Gnarfoz | ...or I pressed ctrl-w |
| 17:48.20 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:48.21 | znf | :D |
| 17:48.38 | Gnarfoz | I should look into unbinding that |
| 17:48.50 | Gnarfoz | not really see me ever using that on IRC |
| 17:48.54 | Gnarfoz | except accidentally |
| 17:49.24 | znf | *nod* |
| 17:49.41 | znf | I don't usually leave channels, anyway. I'd rather /detach with znc |
| 17:49.45 | nevcairiel | in any case, due to the downsides and problems of such a change, I do not see them doing anything ever |
| 17:49.55 | Gnarfoz | I very much doubt it, too |
| 17:50.15 | Gnarfoz | but, they're touching the render engine each addon, sometimes more, sometimes less obviously |
| 17:50.42 | Gnarfoz | meh, apparently I can't unbind that? it's not in the keybinds dialog. :| hexchat wtf |
| 17:51.00 | znf | I should switch to hexchat one of these days |
| 17:51.16 | Xuerian | Hexchat's pretty nice |
| 17:51.17 | znf | but xchat is so comfy, and I don't like change :( |
| 17:51.44 | Gnarfoz | I doubt you'd miss anything? it's basically the same program in the end |
| 17:51.58 | nevcairiel | What I really could see is a C Lua API for rudimentary damage meter numbers, collected efficiently in C, the basics like dps/total damage/healing/..., somethign to make some people happy, but of course not the crazies that want every detail at their finger tips |
| 17:52.39 | znf | Gnarfoz, it "feels" a bit different |
| 17:52.51 | Gnarfoz | yes, better, IMHO :o |
| 17:53.02 | nevcairiel | there have been hints about a built-in damage meter a few times, but who knows |
| 17:53.02 | znf | Gnarfoz, miniGTK feels more fluid than a full-featured gtk thingie |
| 17:53.03 | Gnarfoz | or wait, are you using cracked xchat |
| 17:53.08 | znf | Gnarfoz, yes! |
| 17:53.10 | Gnarfoz | bleh |
| 17:53.17 | Gnarfoz | a) shame on you b) I can see why |
| 17:53.20 | znf | the mini-gtk is /so/ smooth :P |
| 17:53.35 | Stanzilla | wtb gtk3 version |
| 17:53.46 | Gnarfoz | smooth? hm. at least hexchat doesn't have the weird redraw/scrolling bugs |
| 17:54.17 | Xuerian | Quassel's pretty smooth and doesn't have weird skinning issues cause qt, but no scripts :| |
| 17:54.21 | Gnarfoz | and besides some pieces of the UI I'd like to make slimmer (but those look the same in xchat), it looks like a native app in most places |
| 17:54.36 | Gnarfoz | I'll try Quassel one day |
| 17:54.45 | Gnarfoz | probably same day as some other things |
| 17:54.51 | Gnarfoz | Soon(tm) |
| 17:54.59 | znf | Quassel seems interesting... but I already use znc :-/ |
| 17:55.07 | Stanzilla | that reminds me that nevcairiel did not answer my question about quassel the other day |
| 17:55.11 | Stanzilla | when he was on the ubahn |
| 17:55.18 | Xuerian | You can use it just as a front end I think, but that does kind of defeat the point |
| 17:56.04 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: I think I wanted to know if quassel has a win64 compile target |
| 17:56.18 | Gnarfoz | you and your pointless obsession with x64 binaries |
| 17:56.22 | znf | ^^ |
| 17:56.24 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 17:56.27 | nevcairiel | sure, if you build it yourself, doubtful anyone provides those |
| 17:56.38 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: I thought you compile it |
| 17:56.39 | znf | Stanzilla is secretely afraid that win9 will only run 64bit stuff |
| 17:56.43 | Stanzilla | znf: no, never |
| 17:57.02 | nevcairiel | I use my own built, but in 32-bit because I was too lazy |
| 17:57.04 | Gnarfoz | should install old old Windows versions that only did 64 |
| 17:57.14 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: ah, damn |
| 17:57.17 | Gnarfoz | for Alpha, IIRC |
| 17:57.18 | Stanzilla | well tell me if you switc hsome day |
| 17:57.18 | nevcairiel | there was such a thing Gnarfoz? :p |
| 17:57.28 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: Vobis sold Alpha based PCs back in the day |
| 17:57.37 | Gnarfoz | and they provided custom emulator software for 32 bit software |
| 17:57.45 | Gnarfoz | so I'm assuming the OS didn't do 32? |
| 17:57.59 | Gnarfoz | ...maybe the OS wasn't Windows, though, lol] |
| 17:58.08 | Gnarfoz | 90's be crazy |
| 17:58.12 | quiescens | moo? |
| 17:58.15 | znf | cow |
| 17:58.18 | nevcairiel | those are RISC CPUs, and there was a Windows NT variant |
| 17:58.22 | nevcairiel | but obviously not x86 compatible |
| 17:58.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that on top |
| 17:58.33 | Gnarfoz | but weren't they 64 bit, too? |
| 17:58.36 | znf | do I get 150 x 2 + 50% VPs for the first scenario now? |
| 17:58.39 | nevcairiel | yeah, they are 64-bit |
| 17:59.15 | Gnarfoz | the IA64 Windows can run 32 bit, can't it |
| 17:59.19 | Gnarfoz | just fucking slow |
| 17:59.22 | Gnarfoz | because CPU is lolol32? |
| 17:59.43 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: do you run a build with qt5 atm? |
| 17:59.44 | Gnarfoz | "lolol32?getout" I mean :p |
| 17:59.52 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: nah qt5 still has issues |
| 17:59.58 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 18:00.14 | Gnarfoz | IA64 most expensive stillbirth in CPU history |
| 18:00.33 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i don't think itanium can natively run 32-bit x86, but i'm not sure |
| 18:01.01 | Gnarfoz | it might not have come through with my lolinternetspeak, but that's what I was trying to imply |
| 18:01.17 | Gnarfoz | IA64 Windows can run 32 bit programs, but it's an emulation, since the CPU can't |
| 18:01.22 | Gnarfoz | or some such |
| 18:01.24 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 18:01.40 | nevcairiel | luckily no-one uses IA64 :p |
| 18:01.45 | Gnarfoz | ! |
| 18:01.50 | Gnarfoz | great, I guess I caught a cold |
| 18:01.54 | Gnarfoz | should have brought a scarf |
| 18:01.59 | nevcairiel | but that was also the only way AMD64 was able to succeed, the ability to run old code without a performance penality |
| 18:02.24 | Gnarfoz | sure, and someone at Intel was blind to that |
| 18:02.35 | Gnarfoz | too big to fail etc |
| 18:09.11 | Gnarfoz | wheee found it |
| 18:09.12 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_shading#Disadvantages |
| 18:09.30 | Gnarfoz | ^ is the thing that makes MSAA useless |
| 18:10.17 | Gnarfoz | although the last sentence of the 3rd paragraph makes it sound as if it was doable with DX10? |
| 18:11.29 | nevcairiel | they may be using this since they are doing a lot with lighting |
| 18:12.02 | nevcairiel | and to me it reads like they are just using dx10 support as a performance quanitifier |
| 18:12.38 | nevcairiel | (and even if it, not that it matters if the game still supports dx9) |
| 18:13.00 | nevcairiel | hm i lost a word there |
| 18:13.21 | Gnarfoz | yeah I don't think I understood anything you just said |
| 18:13.32 | Gnarfoz | who are the several "they"s? |
| 18:13.36 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: starcraft 2 is in the list of games with deferred lighting, so its at least not a new concept to blizzard |
| 18:13.59 | Gnarfoz | I didn't even read that paragraph :o |
| 18:14.21 | Gnarfoz | I meant the deferred shading one |
| 18:14.49 | Gnarfoz | ah yes |
| 18:15.32 | Repo | New addon: PVPScan - http://www.wowace.com/addons/pvpscan/ |
| 18:16.04 | Gnarfoz | aren't there 500 of that kind of addon alread |
| 18:16.05 | Gnarfoz | y |
| 18:16.06 | nevcairiel | anyway, they may just have disabled MSAA in the beta to get some feedback on the new modes, CMAA was just added in the latest build, at least to the UI |
| 18:16.13 | nevcairiel | we'll have to wait and see |
| 18:16.15 | Gnarfoz | yeah, certainly |
| 18:17.01 | Gnarfoz | I was just wondering if the deferred shading thing is something they might implement, I have no concept of how big a change that would be (I'd assume: pretty big, and thus, unlikely to be done) |
| 18:17.49 | nevcairiel | dont ask me, my D3D knowledge ends with drawing simple shapes and textures |
| 18:19.20 | Gnarfoz | I just feel opposed to all those shader-based AA solutions because suddenly the MSAA stuff is not being used and instead resources that could be used for "regular" effects are being diverted to do AA instead |
| 18:19.42 | nevcairiel | its not like you have a dedicated MSAA unit in your GPU that ends up being bored now |
| 18:20.06 | Gnarfoz | I basically do? |
| 18:20.14 | Gnarfoz | that happens in the ROP doesn't it |
| 18:20.21 | Gnarfoz | which higher end cards have more of |
| 18:20.57 | Gnarfoz | (god I sometimes hate this low-level stuff, but I like knowing about it at the same time :P) |
| 18:21.58 | nevcairiel | well sure, but the ROPs get other things to do instead |
| 18:22.21 | Gnarfoz | like what? |
| 18:23.10 | Gnarfoz | (doesn't look very high quality, but this http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/hardware/2038_7.html certainly associates ROP count directly with MSAA performance - still looking for better sources :P) |
| 18:25.00 | Gnarfoz | http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-465/architecture last paragraph? |
| 18:25.21 | nevcairiel | admittedly MSAA never really did make a big dent in WoW performance for me, but I was never happy with its inability to process transparent textures, so i turned on super-sampling and that eats GPUs alive .. |
| 18:26.45 | Gnarfoz | MSAA not affecting performance much is because there's special hardware support for it, that's my point |
| 18:27.42 | Gnarfoz | one last one http://techreport.com/review/18332/gf100-graphics-architecture-unveiled/4 |
| 18:28.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: doesn't the transparent texture MSAA option work? |
| 18:28.09 | nevcairiel | not saying that the ROPs don't take care of it, but they still got other things to do |
| 18:28.17 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: only if i set it to super sampling |
| 18:28.24 | Gnarfoz | that makes no sense |
| 18:28.30 | Gnarfoz | supersampling obsoletes that option |
| 18:28.41 | Gnarfoz | so it doesn't work |
| 18:28.43 | nevcairiel | wat, super-sampling is an option in that dropdown |
| 18:28.48 | Gnarfoz | eh? |
| 18:28.55 | Gnarfoz | which dropdown are we talking about :D |
| 18:29.08 | nevcairiel | antialiasing-transparency? |
| 18:29.15 | nevcairiel | i need at least 2x (supersample) |
| 18:29.17 | Stanzilla | (in the driver) |
| 18:29.20 | nevcairiel | and thats insanely slow |
| 18:29.37 | Gnarfoz | and the MS option does nothing? weird |
| 18:29.57 | nevcairiel | you cant actually enable full blown super-sampling for the entire game anymroe these days |
| 18:30.04 | nevcairiel | best they offer is CSAA |
| 18:30.30 | Gnarfoz | why would they even put a SSAA option there, the entire point of the option was to have support for transparent textures and still use MSAA :D |
| 18:30.46 | Gnarfoz | oh, because of what you said just now? mh |
| 18:30.56 | Gnarfoz | (I bet those are unrelated :P) |
| 18:31.10 | nevcairiel | the way multi-sampling works is that it analyses geometry, not textures, which is why it has these problems |
| 18:31.18 | nevcairiel | no idea what the MS option for transparency even does |
| 18:31.37 | Gnarfoz | it turns on that transparency-msaa thing! :p |
| 18:31.41 | Gnarfoz | now I'm sounding like znf |
| 18:32.03 | znf | my whole guild talks with "thingie" :> |
| 18:32.08 | nevcairiel | in any case, CMAA is decent, and FXAA is fast, lets see what the future brings |
| 18:32.49 | Gnarfoz | they use shaders, I object on principle! :P |
| 18:32.55 | znf | spits on AMD |
| 18:33.03 | znf | I have to switch back to Flash for youtube videos |
| 18:34.07 | Gnarfoz | http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTExOTA2Mzc3MVkzTzBHeUVEQndfOV83X2wuanBn |
| 18:34.08 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 18:34.26 | Gnarfoz | looks like the transparency MSAA results are indeed shockingly bad |
| 18:34.37 | znf | wth is wrong with that website |
| 18:34.42 | znf | clicking on the image closes the tab.. |
| 18:34.49 | nevcairiel | was a popup once |
| 18:35.02 | Megalon | and when you click it, it pops |
| 18:35.26 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: thats like those images they always pick to show-off their shader AA |
| 18:35.40 | Gnarfoz | meaning what? |
| 18:35.48 | nevcairiel | because thats where they really are great |
| 18:35.50 | Gnarfoz | (they're pictures HardOCP took, not nv) |
| 18:36.11 | Gnarfoz | http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/02/22/nvidia_geforce_7800_gtx_preview/4#.U4tyNtySznQ |
| 18:36.37 | Gnarfoz | also, it's obviously the correct kind of picture to show when talking about the problems MSAA has with alpha testing/transparent textures ^^ |
| 18:36.39 | nevcairiel | thats like .. old? :) |
| 18:36.46 | Gnarfoz | of course it is? |
| 18:36.56 | Gnarfoz | nobody said any of this was new tech :P |
| 18:37.12 | Gnarfoz | the only new tech in this whole discussion was that Intel shader-based AA^^ |
| 18:37.52 | znf | Every time I see a tweet from OnePlus, I have the urge to tweet them back "nobody cares, give phones, not uninteresting shit" |
| 18:37.54 | nevcairiel | here are a few AA comparisons with FXAA and MSAA with transparency from skyrim |
| 18:37.55 | nevcairiel | http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/28/skyrim_amd_crossfirex_performance_iq_review/3#.U4tyx_l_voc |
| 18:38.33 | nevcairiel | ie. http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTMyMjQ1MzM1NG1SdFV6cExsSmZfM18zX2wucG5n |
| 18:38.48 | nevcairiel | the left is already using 8x SS, so its like, slow |
| 18:38.56 | Gnarfoz | znf: it's not like their PR department is making the phones :D but maybe the should just fire those guys and replace them with additional engineers? :D |
| 18:38.57 | nevcairiel | FXAA has a few artifacts though |
| 18:39.07 | nevcairiel | too bad CMAA is very rarely used so far, no good comparisons |
| 18:39.07 | znf | Gnarfoz, good point |
| 18:39.58 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: huh, that reads as 8xMSAA w/ 8x TrSSAA |
| 18:40.04 | Gnarfoz | is that actually slow? |
| 18:40.17 | nevcairiel | 8x SS on textures is slow, yes |
| 18:40.17 | Gnarfoz | it's not like it's 8xSSAA (overall) |
| 18:40.32 | Gnarfoz | which would be even slower, I guess :D |
| 18:42.03 | znf | This is bullshit. |
| 18:42.13 | znf | think I'm going to stop freakin' raiding |
| 18:42.15 | Gnarfoz | nah, this is #wowace |
| 18:42.18 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:42.25 | znf | We start 1 hour later on sundays, and till people aren't online |
| 18:43.05 | Gnarfoz | guess what? that's what "long content is loooong" looks like >_> |
| 18:43.13 | Gnarfoz | whee, new hexchat version ;o |
| 18:43.21 | znf | no killing of garrosh for us :( |
| 18:43.56 | Gnarfoz | same, I gave up |
| 18:44.03 | Gnarfoz | (we were on Siegecrafter, tho) |
| 18:44.51 | Gnarfoz | http://hexchat.github.io/news/2.10.0.html |
| 18:45.05 | znf | we managed to kill paragons last lockout |
| 18:45.46 | Gnarfoz | I saw |
| 18:50.37 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 18:52.20 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: why can't I paste my bitmap straight onto mediacrush |
| 18:52.28 | Gnarfoz | this works on imgur :| |
| 18:55.14 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/utH5pbe.png |
| 18:55.21 | Gnarfoz | evil hexchat! |
| 18:55.50 | Megalon | 1.920px × 476px |
| 18:56.12 | Megalon | you have a weird monitor, Gnarfoz |
| 18:56.18 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 18:56.27 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: best part? it's vertical! |
| 18:57.22 | Megalon | holy flagpolehspaded monitor |
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| 19:25.15 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: does this play smoothly for you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJuu7rwNEc I keep hitting the "front" of the buffer :| |
| 19:25.34 | nevcairiel | quality? |
| 19:25.38 | nevcairiel | default low seems fine |
| 19:26.15 | nevcairiel | 1080p is also fine |
| 19:33.20 | Gnarfoz | mh |
| 19:33.27 | Gnarfoz | (yeah, max quality of course) |
| 19:34.40 | Fisker | Kill |
| 19:35.39 | Gnarfoz | Hail & |
| 19:35.53 | Fisker | 88? |
| 19:36.22 | Gnarfoz | no, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2hE4XO8rF4&feature=kp |
| 19:37.33 | Gnarfoz | also of course https://www.dropbox.com/s/spuyecge8epgagt/2014-04-25%2017.54.34.jpg |
| 19:37.54 | Fisker | Yep I know |
| 19:38.06 | Fisker | Ariel master race |
| 19:38.09 | Gnarfoz | ! |
| 19:38.17 | Gnarfoz | saw the recall coming from a mile away |
| 19:39.30 | Fisker | Work tomorrow :( |
| 19:44.34 | Arrowmaster | i finally have a week where i dont switch between first and third shift, its all third shift unless they fuck shit up again |
| 19:46.02 | znf | wth is that ariel 88? |
| 19:46.27 | Fisker | 88 = hh = hail hydra |
| 19:46.31 | Fisker | Except not hydra |
| 19:46.35 | Fisker | :3 |
| 19:46.44 | Megalon | literally hitler |
| 19:46.50 | Fisker | Exactly |
| 19:46.58 | znf | how the fuck is 88 == HH? |
| 19:47.13 | znf | weird german stuff |
| 19:47.16 | Fisker | 8th letter |
| 19:47.20 | Fisker | Dumbo |
| 19:47.27 | Megalon | because H sounds exactly like 8 in german |
| 19:47.52 | Megalon | don't believe fisker, in the german alphabet the 8th letter is a hakenkreuz |
| 19:48.27 | Fisker | Sounds like <swastika symbol>.com Megalon |
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| 20:36.22 | Gnarfoz | oh my nom |
| 20:36.24 | Gnarfoz | http://pornburger.me/ |
| 20:39.53 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: you can |
| 20:40.10 | Gnarfoz | well, I'm supposed to can |
| 20:40.28 | Gnarfoz | channel confusion? :D |
| 20:40.30 | jleclanche | wow im over two channel |
| 20:40.35 | jleclanche | ergh |
| 20:41.15 | Gnarfoz | has never worked for me, error is the same as the last time I tried: I get a message: "getAsFile This URL is not valid." |
| 20:41.20 | Gnarfoz | (the moment I press ctrl-v) |
| 20:41.44 | jleclanche | id debug it myself but im too busy these days :/ |
| 20:42.56 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: one of the devs is looking into it now |
| 20:43.12 | Gnarfoz | ty |
| 22:21.02 | znf | twitter changed their font |
| 22:21.06 | znf | it's annoying me :( |
| 22:22.43 | Gnarfoz | don't be such a crybaby |
| 22:22.43 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 22:26.35 | znf | I don't like change :( |
| 22:32.01 | Humbedooh | znf: and you only discovered this now? D: |
| 22:32.09 | Humbedooh | it's been like that for weeks :( |
| 22:32.17 | znf | it was? I only noticed it in the last week |
| 22:32.29 | Humbedooh | I was much upset too when they changed it |
| 22:34.32 | Gnarfoz | hasn't been weeks, no |
| 22:35.23 | Gnarfoz | it's barely been "days" :P |
| 22:35.53 | Gnarfoz | https://www.google.com/search?q=twitter+font+change#q=twitter+font+change&tbm=nws |
| 22:37.08 | *** join/#wowace mitch0 (~mitch@drvolomdental.hu) |
| 22:37.13 | Stanzilla | I got flamed :( |
| 22:37.27 | Stanzilla | someone said I'm not the real stanzilla and just fishing for attention |
| 22:37.28 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 22:37.39 | znf | poor Stanzilla |
| 22:37.58 | Megalon | is your name constanze? |
| 22:38.10 | znf | would the real Stanzilla please stand u? |
| 22:38.12 | znf | p |
| 22:38.23 | Stanzilla | sits down |
| 22:40.14 | znf | some guy on reddit asked if "someone knows why did the Abyss never came on blu-ray" |
| 22:40.26 | znf | I replied "yes". Someone out there MUST know, right? :D |
| 22:46.31 | Gnarfoz | znf: you are technically correct - the best kind of correct |
| 23:02.48 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: aber vom salat schrumpft der bizeps |
| 23:03.21 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: pornburger? |
| 23:03.55 | Megalon | je dicker die adern, desto besser die durchblutung! |
| 23:04.50 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BPdbUTD4oM&feature=kp |
| 23:05.46 | Gnarfoz | what the fuck is that |
| 23:09.05 | Gnarfoz | isn't that one of those stupid German gangsta rappers |
| 23:15.29 | Gnarfoz | seems like a nice guy on TV Total |
| 23:19.45 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:52.22 | Gnarfoz | it's 2 hours until end of GoT? |
| 23:53.36 | Megalon | yes |
