| 00:07.33 | Gnarfoz | and if Windows is supposed to choose wisely, well... it isn't |
| 00:08.04 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt trust the task manager to show proper per-core load |
| 00:08.09 | Gnarfoz | uhm, why? |
| 00:08.23 | nevcairiel | unless the windows scheduler is batshit crazy |
| 00:08.24 | Gnarfoz | process explorer shows "ideal processor", which I hope represents Windows' idea of where a thread should run |
| 00:08.45 | nevcairiel | run a single thread on a spin, ie. 100% cpu |
| 00:08.53 | nevcairiel | either windows fails to just let it stick to one core |
| 00:09.00 | nevcairiel | or it cant properly show this in the task manager |
| 00:09.44 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I wasn't talking about task manager in the first place |
| 00:10.58 | nevcairiel | could easily test the affinity with something that threads crappy like wow |
| 00:11.03 | nevcairiel | it even has a cvar for affinity |
| 00:11.15 | Gnarfoz | that cvar has been useless for two expansions, IIRC |
| 00:11.41 | Gnarfoz | and it's not hard to set the affinity by hand using task manager/procexp/process hacker ;) |
| 00:11.44 | nevcairiel | not for this use case |
| 00:11.57 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 00:12.03 | nevcairiel | before 3.3 or so, it limited itself to a few cores, and you could use the cvar to unlock it for all cores |
| 00:12.12 | nevcairiel | after 3.3, you didnt need to do this anymore |
| 00:12.24 | nevcairiel | but if you want to instruct it to run on a certain core, the cvar is stil useful |
| 00:12.25 | Gnarfoz | that's not the use-case I'm after, though |
| 00:12.33 | Gnarfoz | you just described the opposite |
| 00:12.51 | nevcairiel | i described which use case has become useless, in response to your comment |
| 00:13.25 | Gnarfoz | in any case, no point in testing anything with WoW |
| 00:13.59 | Gnarfoz | CPU-Z says 16x-38x btw, but they could just as well have pulled that from their DB |
| 00:16.00 | nevcairiel | thats the spec, yea |
| 00:16.03 | Gnarfoz | as I was saying, process explorer shows a "ideal processor" value, per thread, and that includes the odd-numbered CPUs - which doesnt' necessarily mean anything |
| 00:16.14 | nevcairiel | but in default automatic mode, it doesnt allow 38 if all cores are active |
| 00:16.15 | Gnarfoz | well it's a K CPU so it should really show 59 :P |
| 00:17.06 | nevcairiel | with a half-decent cooler, can run ~42 or so easily without any risks |
| 00:17.31 | nevcairiel | over that requires testing :D |
| 00:17.50 | Gnarfoz | it's closed-loop watercooled, that shouldn't really be much of an issue |
| 00:19.05 | Gnarfoz | although it's supposedly at close to 55-60 °C (depending on which core you look at) already |
| 00:19.33 | nevcairiel | at load, i guess? |
| 00:19.47 | Gnarfoz | as much as Wildstar will generate |
| 00:20.00 | Gnarfoz | which is not as much as I'd like |
| 00:20.09 | Gnarfoz | i.e. holy underutilization batman |
| 00:20.25 | nevcairiel | well it gotta utilize something |
| 00:20.28 | nevcairiel | gpu then |
| 00:20.34 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 00:21.01 | nevcairiel | so either its also thread-capped somewhere, or vsync capped :p |
| 00:21.11 | nevcairiel | probably the first |
| 00:21.13 | Gnarfoz | vsync, at 18 fps |
| 00:21.21 | Gnarfoz | it's just stupidly ineffective |
| 00:21.35 | Gnarfoz | (18 is when it's not in focus, hehe) |
| 00:21.52 | Gnarfoz | still, 38 fps with nothing but scenery going on |
| 00:22.24 | Gnarfoz | ~36% CPU load, 75-80% GPU load |
| 00:22.29 | nevcairiel | i was kinda hoping they had some patch coming to make that better |
| 00:22.35 | Gnarfoz | mhhh. GPU might actually be close to saturated |
| 00:22.54 | Gnarfoz | I hadn't checked that before I noticed the sharp drop-off when it's not in focus |
| 00:23.29 | Gnarfoz | they always have patches coming. but just as with WoW, there is probably not going to be a patch that magically replaces the engine with something less old |
| 00:23.34 | Gnarfoz | one can hope ;P |
| 00:23.36 | nevcairiel | open world gamers are all notorious for performance like this i guess |
| 00:23.48 | nevcairiel | the game is new, how can it be "old" :D |
| 00:24.01 | Gnarfoz | because it's been in development for 9 years? |
| 00:24.06 | Gnarfoz | their engine is probably not from 2010+ |
| 00:24.27 | Gnarfoz | and I'd substitute "open world games" with "games that are effectively single-threaded" |
| 00:24.32 | Stanzilla | are there known numbers on when they started with ws? |
| 00:24.48 | Neffi | Doesn't mean there aren't critical bottlenecks that they didnt bother fixing until after launch |
| 00:24.49 | nevcairiel | well if it uses max gpu thats at least something |
| 00:24.55 | nevcairiel | doesnt seem cpu starved |
| 00:24.57 | Gnarfoz | 80% is not max, but at least it's doing something |
| 00:25.16 | Gnarfoz | starved? no, that'd mean my CPU can't handle it |
| 00:25.26 | nevcairiel | bound, whatever |
| 00:25.38 | nevcairiel | i have a headache, damn weird weather |
| 00:25.57 | Gnarfoz | same thing? I don't think there's an established term for "program unable to utilize available resources" |
| 00:26.10 | nevcairiel | you knew what i meant! |
| 00:26.19 | Gnarfoz | you know that's not enough! |
| 00:26.20 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:26.24 | Stanzilla | answer me, klugscheisserfoz |
| 00:26.28 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 00:26.32 | Gnarfoz | numbers? |
| 00:26.36 | Gnarfoz | didn't I just give you one |
| 00:26.38 | Stanzilla | a date |
| 00:26.58 | Gnarfoz | I doubt we'll ever know when they started programming/music recording/whatever steps |
| 00:26.58 | nevcairiel | 07.04.2003 |
| 00:27.04 | nevcairiel | there, have a date |
| 00:27.09 | Stanzilla | thx obama |
| 00:27.26 | Gnarfoz | (he made that up on the spot, I bet :D) |
| 00:27.48 | Gnarfoz | but since this is Carbine's first project, it's probably reasonable to assume that first concepts started pretty much as soon as they company was founded |
| 00:28.06 | nevcairiel | of course its made up |
| 00:28.39 | Gnarfoz | yeah, most obviously because that pre-dates founding of the studio :D |
| 00:29.25 | Stanzilla | founded in 2k5, announced in 2k7 |
| 00:29.50 | Stanzilla | WildStar development started in 2005, after 17 former members of Blizzard Entertainment founded Carbine Studios. |
| 00:29.51 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 00:29.55 | Gnarfoz | announced in 2011 |
| 00:30.16 | Gnarfoz | NCsoft bought them in 2007 |
| 00:30.42 | Stanzilla | ncsoft announced the buyout in 2007 is what i meant |
| 00:31.08 | Gnarfoz | (so we're back at "9 years ago" :D) |
| 00:31.20 | nebula169 | Stanzilla: are there faction icons for the blizzard arena frames? i just have indicators for spec and class |
| 00:31.24 | Stanzilla | their engine is called "Engine" |
| 00:31.25 | Stanzilla | wow |
| 00:31.37 | Stanzilla | nebula169: I think so |
| 00:31.45 | Gnarfoz | what, where does it say that |
| 00:31.46 | Gnarfoz | xD |
| 00:31.52 | Stanzilla | http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=32245 |
| 00:31.56 | Gnarfoz | ZAM |
| 00:31.57 | Gnarfoz | ok |
| 00:32.11 | Gnarfoz | not that other companies' engine names are more creative |
| 00:35.28 | Stanzilla | http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/06/23/likely-shots-of-androids-l-release-show-up-in-chromium-issue-tracker/ |
| 00:35.30 | Stanzilla | dem leaks |
| 00:37.29 | Gnarfoz | source engine, cryengine, mhhh |
| 00:37.38 | Stanzilla | unreal |
| 00:37.39 | nebula169 | frostbite! |
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| 00:38.14 | Stanzilla | nebula169: I only ever noticed those problems when I start doing BGs for the fucking legendary quest :D |
| 00:38.43 | nebula169 | no faction icon in Blizzard_ArenaUI |
| 00:38.55 | nebula169 | guess i can push indicators for arena units |
| 00:38.58 | Stanzilla | it might just be on the art |
| 00:39.13 | Stanzilla | we also need support for those frames that go up before the arena match starts |
| 00:39.16 | Stanzilla | pb doesnt support that |
| 00:39.16 | nebula169 | well, i mean nothing on the frame is updated based on faction |
| 00:39.21 | nebula169 | yea, prep frames |
| 00:39.27 | nebula169 | kind of annoying |
| 00:39.52 | Stanzilla | arent they the same frames just showing on a different event? |
| 00:41.05 | nebula169 | not really, they aren't real frames with a unit, just drawn iterating GetNumArenaOpponent or such |
| 00:41.23 | nebula169 | then they get hidden and the real frames shown when it starts |
| 00:41.30 | Stanzilla | okay |
| 00:43.37 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: https://mediacru.sh/XXS0JKDPjqKn :| |
| 00:44.15 | nevcairiel | well, blizzard developers in the core, what did you expect |
| 00:44.16 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 00:45.05 | nevcairiel | honestly i have no experience writing a properly threaded game engine, but i can imagine its anything but straight forward |
| 00:46.58 | nevcairiel | .. which is also a reason why I'll probably get a 6-core HSW-E and OC it a bit more for per-core performance instead of a 8-core and be limited by thermals for per-core performance at some point |
| 00:50.56 | Gnarfoz | I'm even considering just getting an i5 next time |
| 00:51.08 | Gnarfoz | less hassle |
| 00:52.02 | nevcairiel | i need teh speed |
| 00:52.32 | Gnarfoz | well, multiple definitions of that are available |
| 00:52.52 | Gnarfoz | and yeah, I wonder if the WC3/WoW engine guy was among the Carbine founders |
| 00:52.55 | nevcairiel | if all you do is game, a unlocked i5 with a bit of OC is probably perfect |
| 00:53.23 | nevcairiel | games rarely thread enough to benefit from HT |
| 00:53.26 | Gnarfoz | although the "raaaaagh let's quit and do something else (but actually the same thing over)" people I'd guess are more the designer kind |
| 00:54.53 | Stanzilla | I guess coders can be just as pissed off by a company than designers |
| 00:54.55 | Stanzilla | and then quit |
| 00:55.23 | Stanzilla | I mean, did you ready what that ubisoft guy wrote about the divison? |
| 00:55.25 | Stanzilla | -y |
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| 00:56.33 | Torhal | divides Stanzilla by 0. |
| 00:56.46 | Gnarfoz | I don't even know what division you mean |
| 00:57.10 | Stanzilla | that's the name of a game |
| 00:57.17 | Gnarfoz | ok |
| 00:57.25 | Gnarfoz | and although this is based on zero information, I doubt they quit because they hated Blizzard |
| 00:57.25 | Stanzilla | http://whatifgaming.com/the-division-developer-insider-we-already-downgraded-a-few-things |
| 00:57.45 | Stanzilla | it's not about quitting though :p |
| 00:57.53 | Gnarfoz | people jumping ship as soon as project is completed is really commonplace in the video games industry, from what I hear |
| 00:58.35 | Gnarfoz | (also I think they said once that only a handful of the founders remain now) |
| 00:58.44 | Gnarfoz | not that it makes any difference |
| 00:59.08 | nevcairiel | well from a marketing point, i can understand why they do it, obviously they don't want the PC version to be 10x better, or they might get into trouble, but it still sucks badly :p |
| 00:59.14 | Gnarfoz | so nevcairiel, to recap, I should set that stuff to manual? |
| 00:59.26 | Gnarfoz | and set multiplier for each core to the max I want it to be? |
| 00:59.29 | Gnarfoz | (so probably 38) |
| 00:59.39 | nevcairiel | my board had a setting to just set all cores at once to the same |
| 00:59.55 | nevcairiel | but all i know is ASUS boards, and they look all pretty much the same |
| 01:00.02 | Gnarfoz | it's an ASUS board |
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| 01:02.30 | nevcairiel | i guess "Manual" and then it should have an option to sync all cores, and that to 38, or if you want OC slightly, more! |
| 01:02.48 | nevcairiel | thats probably what i've set |
| 01:02.57 | Gnarfoz | I forgot I have the manual in my downloads folder |
| 01:03.30 | nevcairiel | it only affects turbo, so it can still use any clocks in between depending on load |
| 01:03.59 | Gnarfoz | IIRC |
| 01:04.20 | Gnarfoz | selecting the XMP profile for my memory automatically switches that per-core stuff to some other setting |
| 01:04.28 | nevcairiel | ..weird |
| 01:04.28 | Gnarfoz | (expanding 4 editboxes) |
| 01:04.29 | Torhal | http://sndtst.com/ |
| 01:04.39 | Gnarfoz | well, to probably the mode you mentioned |
| 01:04.50 | nevcairiel | i guess they couple XMP with some other manual control for some reason |
| 01:04.55 | nevcairiel | but yeah |
| 01:05.29 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: why does that not play anything |
| 01:05.42 | Torhal | You're weird? |
| 01:05.58 | Gnarfoz | dunno, just sits at 00:00 |
| 01:06.07 | nevcairiel | works for me |
| 01:06.24 | Gnarfoz | oh it's some crappy Facebook app |
| 01:06.43 | nevcairiel | dont press the big start button |
| 01:06.47 | nevcairiel | select a game :p |
| 01:06.55 | Gnarfoz | derp |
| 01:07.09 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't even show 00:00 before selecting a game and clicking a song |
| 01:07.11 | Gnarfoz | genius :P |
| 01:07.11 | nevcairiel | the start button brought up some crappy facebook login dialog |
| 01:07.24 | nevcairiel | if i select a game and press "play all songs" it works fine |
| 01:08.19 | nevcairiel | anyway, time to eat some cherries :D |
| 01:08.28 | Gnarfoz | works in Firefox of course |
| 01:08.34 | Gnarfoz | Chrome worst browser EU |
| 01:09.16 | Gnarfoz | Page 3-9 of the manual |
| 01:09.16 | nevcairiel | chrome here |
| 01:09.42 | Gnarfoz | lists: "Auto", "By ALL Cores (Can Adjust in OS)", "By Per Core (Cannot Adjust in OS)" |
| 01:09.51 | Gnarfoz | which is funny, since turbo is not exposed to the OS |
| 01:10.04 | nevcairiel | it is if you install their software |
| 01:10.06 | Gnarfoz | they're probably talking about one of their crazy ASUS bloatware apps? |
| 01:10.17 | nevcairiel | its actually not that terrible |
| 01:10.24 | nevcairiel | if you only selectively install the one you want |
| 01:10.27 | nevcairiel | and not the full package |
| 01:10.28 | znf | Hi. |
| 01:10.34 | nevcairiel | znf go to sleep |
| 01:10.38 | nevcairiel | no alpha tonight |
| 01:10.39 | Gnarfoz | you mean it's not one of those "MUST REMAKE ENTIRE UI" apps anymore? |
| 01:11.00 | nevcairiel | remake entire ui? |
| 01:11.08 | znf | what UI? |
| 01:11.09 | Gnarfoz | that looks like it escaped from some 1999 WinAmp skinning lab |
| 01:11.09 | znf | what remake? |
| 01:11.10 | znf | what asus? |
| 01:11.16 | Gnarfoz | what scrollback? |
| 01:11.19 | znf | nevcairiel, I just woke up |
| 01:11.24 | znf | Gnarfoz, that's lie, 2 hours of scrollback, are you insane? >_< |
| 01:11.29 | nevcairiel | its definitely entirely custom skinned |
| 01:11.32 | nevcairiel | but doesnt look too bad |
| 01:11.53 | nevcairiel | i used it once to try to see where i can get the OC, easier than going to the bios all the time |
| 01:11.57 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I guess I want "By Per Core" |
| 01:11.59 | znf | wish I knew why my intel gpu is crashing |
| 01:12.01 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 01:12.02 | znf | well, it's driver, anyway |
| 01:12.03 | Stanzilla | I use the intel tool |
| 01:12.14 | Stanzilla | intel extreme tuning utility |
| 01:12.16 | Gnarfoz | (although I think it's set to "Auto" right now) |
| 01:12.17 | Stanzilla | works quite well |
| 01:12.22 | Stanzilla | can set per core stuff, too |
| 01:12.27 | Gnarfoz | but you said that limits it to +1 if no cores are sleeping |
| 01:12.44 | nevcairiel | auto probably follows the intle spec |
| 01:12.54 | nevcairiel | but not entirely sure |
| 01:12.58 | Gnarfoz | it says "All Turbo ratio are set by Intel CPU default settings" |
| 01:13.06 | nevcairiel | guess yes then |
| 01:13.23 | Gnarfoz | time to reboot and fiddle with it, then |
| 01:13.26 | nevcairiel | intel is conservative because people have bad coolers |
| 01:14.00 | nevcairiel | ima go watch some show and hope this heat goes away |
| 01:14.11 | nevcairiel | i miss germany with its crappy weather |
| 01:14.36 | Stanzilla | so far it sure sounds like you went to usa to eat and surf on the internet :D |
| 01:14.37 | znf | is cooking |
| 01:14.41 | Gnarfoz | nice Stanzilla |
| 01:14.42 | znf | +1 @ Stanzilla |
| 01:14.49 | Gnarfoz | that installs a MS SQL Server Compact instance |
| 01:14.59 | Gnarfoz | and... setup fails |
| 01:15.12 | Gnarfoz | Intel experts |
| 01:15.23 | Stanzilla | wfm |
| 01:15.56 | Gnarfoz | http://pastebin.com/u6JfVLBa *shrug* |
| 01:16.14 | Stanzilla | OK |
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| 02:56.19 | znf | huh |
| 02:56.30 | znf | a local retailer is selling a tablet with Intel Atom Z2520 |
| 02:56.32 | znf | and Android |
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| 02:57.30 | znf | http://www.pcgarage.ro/tablete/utok/i700-7-inch-multitouch-intel-atom-z2520-12ghz-dual-core-1gb-ram-8gb-flash-wi-fi-bluetooth-android-44-negru |
| 03:39.19 | nevcairiel | that must be absolute crap for that price znf |
| 03:39.41 | znf | 67€?! |
| 03:39.49 | nevcairiel | exactly |
| 03:40.06 | znf | the only inteersting thing about it is that you can probably slap linux onit |
| 03:40.08 | nevcairiel | can barely buy the cpu for that price :p |
| 03:40.35 | znf | Oh |
| 03:40.36 | znf | I misread |
| 03:40.40 | znf | yeah, ofc it's absolute crap :D |
| 03:40.50 | znf | I read it as the price is too high for those specs |
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| 05:13.15 | sb | morning |
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| 05:22.03 | sb | Stanzilla, Fisker: 1700 CEST, right? |
| 05:22.50 | Fisker | What? |
| 05:23.17 | sb | IO |
| 05:23.33 | Fisker | Off by 25 hours |
| 05:23.46 | sb | ugh, its tomorrow |
| 05:24.46 | sb | ah, i see, stupid converter is GMT |
| 05:24.53 | sb | so tomorrow 18:00 :p |
| 05:24.57 | sb | thanks ;) |
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| 05:37.10 | sb | Fisker: and now put me in team purple :/ |
| 05:40.10 | Fisker | No |
| 05:43.26 | quiescens | o.o |
| 05:43.33 | quiescens | nerf purple |
| 05:45.45 | sb | very |
| 06:02.37 | quiescens | its probably rigged |
| 06:02.47 | quiescens | by sb! |
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| 06:44.14 | znf | http://computers.woot.com/offers/samsung-galaxy-tab-3-7-0-with-pouch-5 |
| 06:44.15 | znf | nice price |
| 06:44.22 | znf | even for a refurbished unit |
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| 06:50.33 | znf | Stanzilla, do you also have Rasterization: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable |
| 06:50.33 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.35 | znf | in about:gpu ? |
| 06:52.22 | quiescens | you broked it! |
| 06:54.22 | znf | breaks quiescens |
| 06:54.29 | quiescens | ): |
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| 08:31.20 | znf | Redhat decided to stop supporting php-sqlite*, but there is a good tutorial here. |
| 08:31.20 | znf | wat |
| 08:31.26 | znf | what the fuck, centos? |
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| 08:44.35 | Workfoz | sb: work work |
| 08:45.19 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: mhhh. up to 63 °C is a bit higher than I expected... I should probably grab some program that can log temperature and graph this |
| 08:46.50 | znf | yeah, no, this is the last time I take a "job" from a client with centos |
| 08:47.14 | Workfoz | haha why |
| 08:48.40 | znf | PHP Fatal error: Class 'SQLiteDatabase' |
| 08:48.50 | znf | no php-sqlite in the repos |
| 08:49.07 | znf | I had no tcl-tls package |
| 08:50.43 | znf | apparently there's no pear, either |
| 08:50.45 | znf | :-| |
| 08:50.54 | znf | what the fuck is this crap |
| 08:51.27 | Workfoz | what |
| 08:51.32 | Workfoz | you're holding it wrong |
| 08:51.47 | znf | meh, didn't appear in search results; was able to install php-pear |
| 08:51.51 | Workfoz | pear is php-pear |
| 08:51.52 | znf | but, still, no sqlite in my php |
| 08:53.44 | znf | oook... it seems that there is sqlite.ini and pdo_sqlite.ini |
| 08:54.32 | Workfoz | have you even run php -m |
| 08:55.30 | znf | yeah, it shows up there |
| 08:55.34 | znf | still getting sqlite error |
| 08:55.37 | Workfoz | also, php.net claims that the sqlite extension is only available via pecl from PHP 5.4 forward. so you want to 'pecl search sqlite' or rather 'pecl install SQLite sqlite3' (whichever you actually want) |
| 08:55.40 | znf | PHP Fatal error: Class 'SQLiteDatabase' not found in /var/www/html/rss.php on line 25 |
| 08:55.53 | znf | PHP 5.4? What is this new-ness? |
| 08:55.58 | Workfoz | well, which one is, there's at least two |
| 08:56.00 | znf | I'm on 5.3, because CentOS :P |
| 08:56.01 | Workfoz | NEW? |
| 08:56.09 | Workfoz | then it's included |
| 08:56.14 | Workfoz | (as evidenced by its presence) |
| 08:57.41 | sb | Workfoz: FINALLY! |
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| 08:58.23 | Workfoz | znf: do you have sqlite3 or SQLite loaded, or both |
| 08:58.28 | znf | both! |
| 08:58.30 | Workfoz | (keep in mind I've never used this xD) |
| 08:58.45 | znf | my first time using sqlite, too |
| 08:58.56 | Workfoz | jleclanche: does mediacrush do albums? |
| 08:59.11 | znf | wait |
| 08:59.15 | znf | I have sqlite3 |
| 08:59.52 | znf | and pdo_sqlite |
| 09:00.26 | Workfoz | ok |
| 09:00.38 | Workfoz | and is Class SQLiteDatabase appropriate for sqlite3? |
| 09:00.43 | Workfoz | (no idea, just hashing out ideas) |
| 09:00.59 | Workfoz | btw, not quite sure how much this applies, since you apparently DO have the extensions... http://www.exteon.ro/en/articles/php/compile-extensions |
| 09:01.03 | Workfoz | (it's even from Romania!) |
| 09:01.27 | znf | http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.sqlite-array-query.php |
| 09:01.58 | Workfoz | PECL sqlite >= 1.0.0) |
| 09:02.07 | Workfoz | have you looked at pecl yet? |
| 09:02.21 | znf | I have no pecl! :-/ |
| 09:02.24 | Workfoz | also, some stackoverflow question suggests you need to have the actual 'sqlite' package installed as well |
| 09:02.34 | znf | I do |
| 09:02.44 | Workfoz | of course you do when you have PHP installed |
| 09:02.45 | znf | I already went trough those, too :D |
| 09:02.59 | znf | oh, right |
| 09:02.59 | znf | I do |
| 09:03.07 | znf | wonders why it didn't work |
| 09:03.23 | znf | serioiusly, by now I would have done this with mysql >_< |
| 09:03.48 | Workfoz | so do it |
| 09:03.55 | Workfoz | also, what does phpinfo() show about sqlite |
| 09:05.53 | Workfoz | https://mediacru.sh/aKWsVTvv_z_L looks like this on one of my boxes |
| 09:06.08 | Workfoz | although... heh, this isn't rhel's php53, whoops |
| 09:06.39 | Workfoz | but in general, that's probably what it should look like (also, pdo_sqlite needs to be present and working, since sqlite3 is only supported through pdo, from what php.net says) |
| 09:07.04 | znf | well, it seems that SQLite should come from PECL |
| 09:07.35 | Workfoz | I said that before (because that's written on php.net) |
| 09:07.47 | Workfoz | but I also read that the pecl version doesn't actually work with the php 5.3 from rhel |
| 09:08.01 | znf | yeah, pecl can't build it |
| 09:08.05 | Workfoz | which is why I keep seeing suggestions to grab the appropriate old php release and compile the extensions from that |
| 09:08.17 | Workfoz | which... is a bit annoying |
| 09:08.32 | Workfoz | (and is why we have long ago switched to just running PHP compiled from source) |
| 09:09.04 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.29 | znf | or this person should switch to a fuckin' decent linux distro |
| 09:09.55 | znf | phpinfo says I have pdo_sqlite and sqlite3 |
| 09:10.31 | Workfoz | rhel is a decent enterprise distro |
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| 09:10.54 | Workfoz | at least it's not debian stable |
| 09:10.55 | Workfoz | :D |
| 09:11.06 | Workfoz | and RHEL 7 is already out ;-) |
| 09:11.12 | znf | I think that debian stable has less antiqued packages at the moment |
| 09:11.51 | Kalroth | debian stable is still considering using kernel 2.0! |
| 09:12.05 | znf | o.o |
| 09:12.23 | znf | I'll stick to my ubuntu-server >_< |
| 09:12.33 | znf | at least 14.04 LTS has php 5.5 |
| 09:13.11 | Workfoz | yeah, nice comparison there ;-) |
| 09:13.22 | Workfoz | compare distro from 2010 with distro from 2014 |
| 09:14.00 | znf | at least this updates more often! |
| 09:14.15 | znf | meh, I have to use SQLite3, it seems |
| 09:14.31 | znf | which has no procedural functions, just OO |
| 09:24.29 | quiescens | o.o |
| 09:25.17 | znf | OO quiescens, not o.o |
| 10:06.44 | Workfoz | which is why it's only available through pdo in php ^^ |
| 10:07.53 | quiescens | nerf *foz |
| 10:13.10 | quiescens | i still like debian when you don't need anything fancy though |
| 10:14.04 | quiescens | its nice being able to update packages knowing that the updates are bugfix only and won't break any configurations |
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| 10:35.05 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: http://imgur.com/a/BcPnq#3 |
| 10:35.12 | Workfoz | (other images are previous settings) |
| 10:41.10 | znf | I'm so lazy... I'm ordering a product from a store I passed by this morning |
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| 11:13.47 | Workfoz | living the dream |
| 11:21.21 | znf | http://public.tableausoftware.com/shared/BK9P7CCKZ?:display_count=yes&:showVizHome=no |
| 11:21.30 | znf | Gchat over Whatsapp is a really weird thing to see |
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| 12:21.23 | jleclanche | Workfoz: yes mediacrush has albums |
| 12:24.28 | Workfoz | ah "upload several to create an album" derp |
| 12:24.42 | Workfoz | at least the paste-bitmap-from-clipboard thing works with Firefox |
| 12:25.07 | Workfoz | (and my co-worker's squid proxy also does not choke on mediacrush's TLS setup, like our regular proxy does) |
| 12:30.08 | Workfoz | still wondering what the problem is, but I don't have access to it |
| 12:51.27 | nevcairiel | they should fix the paste from clipboard on media crush with chrome if they want me to use it |
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| 13:00.57 | quiescens | paste from clipboard still requires evil flash trickery doesn't it? |
| 13:01.16 | quiescens | or was that something else |
| 13:01.23 | nevcairiel | no idea, but chrome would have flash if thats it |
| 13:01.31 | nevcairiel | and it does work on imgur |
| 13:01.57 | nevcairiel | anyhow, time to get going |
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| 13:06.44 | sb | i wants http://www.leo-smartkey.de/de/ |
| 13:07.08 | nevcairiel | seems quite huge |
| 13:07.37 | nevcairiel | usually only uses like 2 keys |
| 13:07.38 | sb | better than having 5+ keys shredding your pockets :| |
| 13:08.53 | nevcairiel | and of course you need get special keys made that fit in there, which means if you carry work keys or something, you won't be able to do that |
| 13:09.50 | sb | we have stupid RF transponders |
| 13:10.16 | quiescens | why are they stupid? |
| 13:10.50 | znf | didn't I already see a concept for keys like that? |
| 13:10.52 | znf | like, ages ago? |
| 13:11.24 | nevcairiel | old work was mostly a keyless affair as well, had rf cards and codes to go with them (although codes were only used in security areas, not for normal doors) |
| 13:11.52 | znf | right - http://mykeyport.com/ |
| 13:11.54 | znf | this :P |
| 13:11.54 | quiescens | new work has retinal scans and armed guards? |
| 13:12.04 | nevcairiel | new work is my living room! |
| 13:12.11 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 13:12.17 | quiescens | gives nev a cookie |
| 13:12.21 | nevcairiel | znf: the idea of something like that isn't new |
| 13:12.37 | znf | I know. I've seen this keyport thingie at least 8 years ago |
| 13:12.59 | znf | or 4? :P |
| 13:13.20 | znf | no, 7 years |
| 13:13.22 | znf | http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/27/keyport-keyholder-streamlines-your-keyring-wont-change-the-wor/ |
| 13:13.35 | sb | *shrug* |
| 13:13.49 | sb | there are also 100000 kickstarter projects for this |
| 13:16.31 | znf | I can't sprachen deutstch, does it work with keys like this? |
| 13:16.33 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/2uyh1DK.jpg |
| 13:17.00 | Stanzilla | znf: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/QoRu1jhfuCgx.png |
| 13:17.13 | znf | Stanzilla, mkay. |
| 13:17.27 | nevcairiel | znf: it has some search form to check for key compat |
| 13:17.57 | znf | I have no idea what to enter there |
| 13:18.16 | nevcairiel | me neither |
| 13:18.17 | znf | my keys don't have anything printed on them... |
| 13:18.35 | nevcairiel | they also have a phone number, or recommend visting a certified lock smith |
| 13:19.06 | znf | their photos only show "normal" keys |
| 13:19.11 | znf | I'm going to assume a "no" |
| 13:19.48 | znf | also, does it say anything about car keys? |
| 13:20.00 | nevcairiel | it needs keys that can be duplicated on one of their raw keys |
| 13:20.12 | nevcairiel | that wont be possible with any sort of modern car key |
| 13:20.37 | Stanzilla | Für den Einsatz von Standardschlüsseln im LEO werden speziell patentierte LEO-Schlüssel benötigt. Diese werden auf Basis vorhandener Schlüssel bei unseren LEO Schlüsseldienst-Partnern oder LEO Stützpunkt-Händlern (mit Schlüsselservice), angefertigt. |
| 13:20.47 | znf | "modern" cars don't really have keys, do they? :P |
| 13:21.01 | nevcairiel | still do, but you don't usually use them |
| 13:21.14 | nevcairiel | but even slightly older cars had magic in the keys |
| 13:21.17 | znf | at least most high-end mid to high end cars have those proximity chip thingies |
| 13:21.29 | znf | older car keys just have a chip which can be easily replicated |
| 13:21.34 | nevcairiel | not to mention that a lock smight may not be allowed to duplicate those keys |
| 13:21.41 | nevcairiel | smith* |
| 13:21.41 | znf | (as long as you have the manufacturer key code) |
| 13:22.12 | znf | when I made a car key copy for my old Opel, I had to get the "code sheet" from Opel |
| 13:22.33 | znf | Cost me like 10€ to have it all printed (lock codes, radio codes, cd-magazine codes, key codes etc.) |
| 13:24.36 | sb | <insert random joke about stolen cars here> |
| 13:25.00 | znf | not really, they require you to bring all the papers for the car before they give it to you |
| 13:35.39 | znf | cool |
| 13:35.43 | znf | ios 7.1.1 jailbreak |
| 13:35.48 | znf | but I have no idea how to upgrade :-S |
| 13:36.20 | quiescens | o.o |
| 13:36.43 | quiescens | press the upgrade button |
| 13:36.46 | quiescens | or something |
| 13:37.04 | znf | while preserving jailbreak! |
| 13:39.09 | nevcairiel | dont you mostly have to jailbreak again after an upgrade |
| 13:39.21 | quiescens | probably |
| 13:39.32 | znf | not sure, it seems that when you do the upgrade, you lose all cydia packages |
| 13:40.20 | Stanzilla | pretty huge change to the game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBeK7t5kMcA |
| 13:40.29 | Stanzilla | will probably piss many hardcore players off |
| 13:40.34 | znf | Stanzilla, tl;dr? |
| 13:40.48 | Stanzilla | znf: idc |
| 13:41.11 | znf | *shrug* |
| 13:41.42 | Stanzilla | they are completly changing suppression and weapon sway etc |
| 13:42.22 | nevcairiel | that still has hardcore players left after all the shit? |
| 13:42.39 | Stanzilla | probably :P some people just never give up |
| 13:47.31 | znf | Stanzilla, no alpha! :( |
| 13:47.48 | nevcairiel | did you even read the post |
| 13:48.22 | znf | yes, it's tuesday! |
| 13:48.23 | znf | give alpha |
| 13:48.33 | nevcairiel | they want to bring it back up online today, and in california time its like not even 7 am |
| 13:48.40 | znf | stupid timezones! |
| 13:49.28 | znf | The debuff will also apply if a player leaves the queue (or ignores it) once the match is ready and they’re given the prompt to enter. |
| 13:49.30 | znf | what the fuck |
| 13:53.23 | nevcairiel | kinda makes sense for rated |
| 13:53.54 | nevcairiel | since it messes weirdly with the rated matchmaking |
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| 14:01.31 | sb | you are still here? :D |
| 14:01.43 | Stanzilla | it's because people tanked their rating when they first started playing to cap easily |
| 14:01.50 | Stanzilla | now that is still possible but takes way longer |
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| 15:57.24 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: did you see my uefi crap? |
| 15:57.55 | Fisker | You have an uefi crap? |
| 15:58.04 | nevcairiel | so you manually limit the core OCs now? :p |
| 15:59.27 | quiescens | what was wrong with it? |
| 15:59.50 | quiescens | you should totally just set everything to 5ghz |
| 16:00.27 | Workfoz | sure, but the limit is actually higher than what intel does by default |
| 16:00.38 | Workfoz | it's actually running at 4 GHz a lot of the time now oO |
| 16:00.40 | Workfoz | (not sure how/why) |
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| 16:01.01 | quiescens | is it not supposed to? o.o |
| 16:01.16 | Workfoz | only if only 2 or 1 core is being used |
| 16:01.51 | Workfoz | whee time to go |
| 16:02.06 | quiescens | silly *foz |
| 16:03.46 | pompy | still dealing with this intel/bios thing ehh Gnarfoz? |
| 16:12.32 | quiescens | is *foz just making problems where there aren't any? |
| 16:13.11 | nevcairiel | no idea why he even started messing with this all of the sudden |
| 16:14.49 | quiescens | throw the book at him |
| 16:41.03 | Gnarfoz | pompy: still? naw, I just procrastinated the actual reboot for a couple of hours last night |
| 16:41.06 | Gnarfoz | it's all done now |
| 16:41.27 | Gnarfoz | (well, unless I change the turbo boost multipliers again because it gets unstable or something) |
| 16:41.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: because I noticed my CPU was running at 3.4 all the time, never going down to 1.6 or up to 3.8 |
| 16:42.16 | Gnarfoz | (and I wanted to see if I can throw MOAR POWA at Wildstar somehow) |
| 16:45.39 | nebula169 | i remember when people thought speedstep was the devil, why would you ever want to downclock the cpu! madness! |
| 16:54.11 | Stanzilla | http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6650094/facebook-news-feed-history-of-the-world-world-war-i-to-world-war-ii/ |
| 16:54.17 | Stanzilla | totally peed myself on page 3 |
| 16:56.01 | Gnarfoz | I'll avoid page 3, then |
| 17:34.27 | sb | yay, flashing mobile phone again \o/ |
| 17:35.23 | sb | yay - should have logged in to wildstar before flashing.. authenticator not available :D |
| 17:35.27 | sb | Gnarfoz: its your fault! |
| 17:35.40 | Gnarfoz | rofl |
| 17:35.48 | Gnarfoz | mad expert at work |
| 17:36.02 | Gnarfoz | hope you saved the seed ;) |
| 17:36.18 | Gnarfoz | (or just a backup) |
| 17:36.56 | sb | ofc backups |
| 17:37.30 | sb | but tbh, entering authenticator code every time - why did they do this? |
| 17:37.59 | nebula169 | took blizzard awhile before they implemented a grace period, too |
| 17:38.03 | sb | remember ip + cookie or something like that would be better :| (just like blizzard does) |
| 17:38.07 | nevcairiel | isnt that how authenticators are supposed to work |
| 17:38.36 | sb | nevcairiel: every 2fa supports caching when some factors dont change (ip+host e.g.) |
| 17:38.37 | Gnarfoz | it's exactly how they are supposed to work, indeed |
| 17:38.41 | Gnarfoz | every? |
| 17:38.44 | sb | well... |
| 17:38.51 | Gnarfoz | among the 8 or so I use, battle.net is the only one |
| 17:38.57 | sb | oh? |
| 17:39.16 | nevcairiel | battle.net is even quite aggressive, it saves the auth over ip changes and whatnot |
| 17:39.17 | nebula169 | pretty much everything i use has a "trust this for x days" option |
| 17:39.19 | sb | google, facebook, lastpass, bnet |
| 17:39.27 | nevcairiel | even traveling to the US didnt request a new auth token |
| 17:39.38 | nevcairiel | not sure i would consider that really secure |
| 17:39.40 | sb | thats bad then |
| 17:40.07 | nevcairiel | (especially because i have the "ask everytime" option activated in b.net account settings) |
| 17:40.13 | sb | oh... |
| 17:40.16 | Gnarfoz | that's only relevant if you log out of the BDA app |
| 17:40.19 | sb | so you just stay logged on!? |
| 17:40.24 | Gnarfoz | you do |
| 17:40.31 | Gnarfoz | (or log out of wow manually) |
| 17:40.34 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 17:40.37 | Gnarfoz | start it directly |
| 17:40.44 | nevcairiel | i still think it should ask if your IP subnet changes drastically or something |
| 17:41.19 | nevcairiel | whatever information it stores on the PC must be stealable with a trojan |
| 17:42.41 | sb | nevcairiel: do you already have an US picture gallery? |
| 17:42.49 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah, I have no idea |
| 17:42.51 | nebula169 | not 2fa, but steam is pretty aggressive with safeguards when like anything changes, pretty annoying. went on a trip, location change froze all transactions for 7 days. got back, triggered a location change again and locked it for 7 days again |
| 17:42.54 | nevcairiel | i'm not big on picture taking |
| 17:43.14 | Gnarfoz | I never turned on the "don't ask all the time" option for battle.net, either |
| 17:43.26 | Gnarfoz | the BDA is just too comfortable, though ;p |
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| 17:58.19 | Stanzilla | I'm back bitches |
| 18:01.54 | quiescens | gives stan a cookie |
| 18:13.22 | sb | nice Stanzilla, you were gone? |
| 18:14.08 | sb | Stanzilla: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/06/24/google-to-do-next-android-release-apple-style-preview-at-io-release-in-the-fall/ |
| 18:18.11 | Stanzilla | yeah just read it on the toilet |
| 18:18.18 | Stanzilla | and yes, chilling in the garden |
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| 20:20.39 | znf | alpha?! |
| 20:26.44 | znf | |
| 20:30.49 | znf | Should I get a Nexus S5 for ~240€? |
| 20:32.27 | nevcairiel | whats a nexus s5? |
| 20:32.41 | znf | erm |
| 20:32.44 | znf | LG Nexus 5 |
| 20:42.20 | Stanzilla | it's a good phone |
| 20:42.32 | Stanzilla | next phone of the line will be out this fall though |
| 20:43.06 | znf | a lot of time until fall |
| 20:43.13 | Repo | skillet: 03yossa 042.52 * r343 : Skillet: |
| 20:43.13 | Repo | - 2.52 |
| 20:43.24 | Stanzilla | did you rob a bank or why do you have money now |
| 20:44.22 | znf | adsense payment today |
| 20:44.23 | znf | ^^ |
| 20:45.09 | Stanzilla | from that client website you manage? |
| 20:45.21 | znf | yeah, the .gr blog |
| 20:45.46 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/TAyz5bQ.png |
| 20:45.46 | znf | decent |
| 20:45.47 | znf | :) |
| 20:46.13 | Stanzilla | so actually it would not be your money but I guess the client doesnt know you have ads there? D |
| 20:46.34 | znf | she knows; she can't pay me otherwise... |
| 20:47.06 | znf | so, considering I just increased her ad revenue by 10% this month (that's without including MY ad), I say I fuckin' deserveit |
| 20:47.08 | Repo | skillet: 03yossa * r344 (2 files in 1 directory): Skillet: |
| 20:47.08 | Repo | - 2.53 |
| 20:47.59 | znf | also, my b-day soon, so that will be my present :P |
| 21:14.53 | Gnarfoz | I might or might not have broken my Windows Scripting Host stuff trying to install that intel extreme tuning whateveritis, Stanzilla :( |
| 21:31.25 | Gnarfoz | but now that I apparently fixed my Windows Scripting Host stuff, it installed fine! |
| 21:31.44 | Gnarfoz | the manual tuning page being completely grayed out is probably because of setting everything manually in the bios |
| 21:33.20 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: what is IACore? |
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| 21:35.18 | Stanzilla | a process |
| 21:35.51 | Gnarfoz | a process? it's mentioned here as "IACore TDP" |
| 21:36.03 | Stanzilla | Tablet blabla process |
| 21:36.49 | Stanzilla | if you meant the dll |
| 21:37.04 | Stanzilla | but TDP suggests that you did not |
| 21:37.49 | Gnarfoz | tablet :o |
| 21:37.53 | Gnarfoz | well, yeah, no idea |
| 21:38.05 | Gnarfoz | shows up in the "monitor" section of XTU |
| 21:38.27 | Stanzilla | just ignore what I said, I thought you had a problem with IACore.dll but you are talking about the TDP values listed in the turning tool |
| 21:39.06 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 21:42.00 | Stanzilla | I think it's just the name of the cores |
| 21:42.50 | Gnarfoz | well it's just one value, so no idea |
| 21:42.56 | Gnarfoz | there's also CPU Total TDP |
| 21:43.24 | Stanzilla | IA cores are cores enhanced with the IA instruction set |
| 21:43.25 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 21:43.46 | nebula169 | IA = intel architecture, This setting adjusts the maximum instantaneous current allowed through the processor's IA Core power rail at any given time. |
| 21:44.31 | Stanzilla | damn kyle |
| 21:44.34 | Stanzilla | I was about to read that |
| 21:44.42 | Stanzilla | currently skimming through http://research.engineering.wustl.edu/~songtian/pdf/intel-sandy.pdf :D |
| 21:45.25 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: it's not a setting, though |
| 21:45.44 | nebula169 | what Gnarfoz was referring to, thats what the setting...sets |
| 21:46.03 | Gnarfoz | *scratches head* |
| 21:46.41 | Gnarfoz | I guess it's really just the TDP of the 4 cores |
| 21:46.50 | Gnarfoz | vs. all of the shit on the package |
| 21:46.50 | nebula169 | yes |
| 21:46.55 | Stanzilla | put it in the "dont even have to know" poket |
| 21:46.57 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. including gpu) |
| 21:47.25 | Gnarfoz | yeah, not really interesting, was just curious because I clicked "Show all" and then went on to disable them one by one |
| 21:47.34 | Gnarfoz | and was like "what is this" |
| 21:48.43 | Gnarfoz | it does appear a bit confused though |
| 21:48.50 | Gnarfoz | oh wait |
| 21:48.52 | Gnarfoz | nm |
| 21:49.14 | Gnarfoz | I was just going to say it always says "active core count: 1", but when I alt-tabbed to it to check the label, the value was actually 2 |
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| 22:09.04 | nebula169 | Stanzilla: http://pastebin.com/329ZbrMY |
| 22:09.25 | nebula169 | mostly dry coded! and now i'm hungry |
| 22:19.18 | Stanzilla | nebula169: oh cool, thanks. will try this week when I do some 2s |
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| 23:22.29 | nevcairiel | hey znf, no alpha today either! |
| 23:22.37 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 23:23.07 | znf | I'm out in town anyway |
| 23:23.33 | nevcairiel | well that also means no build until at least tomorrow evening (your time) |
| 23:24.18 | nevcairiel | but the alliance part will also have the introduction event enabled, that might be interesting |
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