| 01:00.13 | Repo | broker_healbot: 03shaft840 * r46 (2 files in 1 directory): (1 line trimmed from commit message) |
| 01:00.13 | Repo | Shaft840 |
| 01:00.13 | Repo | FIXED: Mini-map HealBot will now correctly hide. |
| 01:00.13 | Repo | FIXED: HealBot options will now correctly open through right-click. |
| 01:00.13 | Repo | ADDED: Code to auto-align tool-tip's SetPoint with the correct spacing. |
| 01:26.41 | Stanzilla | sorry Xuerian :D |
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| 02:06.42 | Torhal | imports znf to Stanzilla. |
| 02:06.54 | znf | leave me alone, I'm finally configuring my firewall! |
| 02:08.18 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 02:10.03 | znf | my router's dns server doesn't have a way to restrict recursive queries |
| 02:10.12 | znf | :-( |
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| 02:14.28 | znf | wonder if I'm doing this right |
| 02:15.05 | znf | I'm adding all IPs that do more than 100 connections to port53 UDP (dns) to a blacklist, for 3 hours, and dropping all packets from that IP |
| 02:20.14 | Shirik | 100? |
| 02:20.45 | znf | is that bad? :P |
| 02:20.56 | Shirik | seems high if you don't expect it |
| 02:21.10 | znf | changes to 50 |
| 02:21.11 | znf | there |
| 02:21.37 | Shirik | also, random nazi moment |
| 02:21.47 | Shirik | there is no such thing as a UDP connection |
| 02:21.49 | Shirik | >.> |
| 02:22.12 | znf | let's assume there is :P |
| 02:22.15 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/6kKFC2i.png |
| 02:22.17 | znf | my list is growing! |
| 02:22.38 | znf | changed from 24 hours to 3 hours |
| 02:22.53 | Shirik | what program is that |
| 02:22.55 | Shirik | it looks familiar |
| 02:23.08 | Shirik | I remember |
| 02:23.13 | Shirik | it was on a router we used |
| 02:23.48 | znf | Mikrotik's RouterOS |
| 02:24.42 | Shirik | that's it |
| 02:24.44 | Shirik | mikrotik |
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| 02:25.03 | znf | we use it as our main gateway |
| 02:25.07 | znf | and shitloads of devices :P |
| 02:25.39 | Shirik | this guy http://routerboard.com/RB450G |
| 02:25.55 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/F4kwaND.png |
| 02:26.04 | znf | 450G, old-school :D |
| 02:26.18 | Shirik | aviation tends to be way behind :( |
| 02:26.53 | znf | as you can see we have lots of types |
| 02:27.05 | znf | hmm, why don't my ubiquiti devices show up anymore in that |
| 02:27.10 | znf | Oh. |
| 02:27.48 | znf | that's silly; I installed airControl on the server and they stopped showing up as neighbours |
| 02:27.49 | znf | interesting |
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| 02:33.01 | znf | Shirik, what are you using that for? |
| 02:33.19 | Shirik | can't really talk about that |
| 02:33.23 | znf | :o |
| 02:33.26 | znf | top secret! |
| 02:33.27 | Shirik | let's leave it at "routing magic" |
| 02:33.34 | znf | MPLS? |
| 02:57.56 | znf | Stanzilla, did your font change in Chrome? |
| 02:59.38 | znf | This is weird. |
| 02:59.47 | znf | reddit is rendering with Arial instead of Verdana |
| 03:23.05 | znf | meh, directwrite fuck up again |
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| 05:31.55 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 05:58.47 | Repo | adibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.7-59-gecc55e3 (6 files in 5 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 05:58.48 | Repo | ecc55e3: Allow "print()" in user rules for debugging purpose. |
| 05:58.48 | Repo | cf2c8c6: Added a class restriction to user rules. |
| 05:58.48 | Repo | 65c3b16: README update. |
| 06:07.47 | nevcairiel | f'ing dropdown taint, its breaking my shit again |
| 06:07.56 | nevcairiel | didnt blizzard want to fix that |
| 06:09.23 | Neffi_ | Blizz has many ambitions. Not all come to pass |
| 06:13.38 | nevcairiel | i should just accept that the quest item button in the objective tracker is likely to always be broken, since it breaks on dropdown taint already <.< |
| 06:20.58 | quiescens | i vote we blame torhal |
| 06:21.13 | Neffi_ | I 2nd that vote |
| 06:27.10 | Repo | pokedex: 03stencil * r234 (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 06:27.10 | Repo | The values for the default and maximum rank have been increase from 5 and 10 to 50 and 100 respectively. All rank values set by the user will be multiplied by 10 on next login to match. |
| 06:33.50 | sb | mornign |
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| 06:50.35 | Repo | mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07WoD * 1.5.6.1-21-g0aa26dc Mapster.lua: [+1 commit] Avoid some taint when dealing with Task POI icons |
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| 07:03.28 | Repo | quester (experimental): 03Nevcairiel 07master * 6afb563 (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Add .pkgmeta and libraries to TOC |
| 07:05.29 | Repo | quester (experimental): 03Nevcairiel 07master * 3cb40e9 Quester.lua: [+1 commit] Cleanup stray semicolons |
| 07:12.21 | Repo | adibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.7-60-g5d9c052 rules/Warlock.lua: [+1 commit] Warlock: moved Havoc suggestion in another rule. |
| 07:13.45 | sb | nevcairiel: thats only quest pane improvements, right? no quest tracker |
| 07:14.43 | nevcairiel | sb: what are you looking for? |
| 07:16.08 | sb | a GOOD quest tracker :D but i think its more than that, i had questguru but it didnt display challenge mode / scenario timers and stuff |
| 07:16.23 | sb | and had problems with "use" icons associated with quests (taints) |
| 07:16.45 | nevcairiel | i kinda like the build in tracker, except that its also way too easy to taint those item buttons |
| 07:17.08 | sb | using http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/sorhaquestlog at the moment |
| 07:17.20 | sb | nice customization options |
| 07:17.31 | nevcairiel | that looks terrible on the screenshots |
| 07:17.53 | nevcairiel | but i'm also a fan of the blizzard artwork style and UI design, so what can you do |
| 07:18.59 | sb | it has some semi-intelligent tracking options |
| 07:19.09 | sb | automatically tracks/untracs zone quests etc. |
| 07:24.25 | nevcairiel | especially in WoD thats pretty easy |
| 07:25.03 | sb | i guess they have events/api for that? (because bonus objective tracking) |
| 07:25.30 | nevcairiel | bonus objectives kinda track themself, they show up when you enter the area and go away again when you leave |
| 07:25.34 | nebula169 | the map you view shows the quests you have in that zone |
| 07:26.04 | nebula169 | and the tracker is sorted by proximity, don't think it untracks when you leave a zone, though |
| 07:26.34 | sb | oh, didnt notice the sorting |
| 07:26.46 | sb | does it refresh/re-sort when traveling around? |
| 07:26.48 | Repo | adibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.7-63-gcda9948 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 07:26.48 | Repo | cda9948: Added a "SafeGetGlobal" helper, that does not choke on nil values. |
| 07:26.48 | Repo | 7043875: Error about access to unexistent globals un rules. |
| 07:26.48 | Repo | 6697f8d: Warlock: fixed Pyroclasm. |
| 07:27.42 | nebula169 | well its the same on live, sort by proximity or difficulty or manual |
| 07:27.51 | sb | Gnarfoz: avalon is nice |
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| 07:47.12 | sb | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ is really slow, right? |
| 07:49.37 | Neffi_ | not for me |
| 07:50.07 | sb | Adirelle: adibags isnt that broken - should be easy to fix |
| 07:50.20 | sb | Neffi_: okay - blame our proxy then :| |
| 07:55.37 | sb | okay, same for http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/ |
| 07:55.45 | sb | loads like 1 addon/ 5s |
| 07:55.55 | sb | after a few reloads its fast again |
| 07:57.23 | Repo | mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07WoD * 1.5.6.1-22-g8319176 FogClear.lua: [+1 commit] Implement FogClear without taining the map update function |
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| 08:24.30 | sb | Gnarfoz: okay, now i get it (all those avalon voices :o) makes it even more awesome. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon_(Finnish_band)#Members |
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| 08:28.22 | Workfoz | sb: pretty much, yeah :D |
| 08:29.37 | sb | oh, pretending to work again! |
| 08:29.49 | Workfoz | sb: 1st album is also very good, Elize Ryd, Rob Rock, 1 Track with Michael Kiske; new one is mostly Fabio Leone, Floor Jansen |
| 08:30.00 | Workfoz | yeah :P |
| 08:30.07 | Workfoz | vcenter just refused to make a snapshot, lazy bum |
| 08:30.24 | sb | yup, listening to the first album at the moment |
| 08:43.13 | Repo | mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07WoD * 1.5.6.1-23-gc1a6601 FogClear.lua: [+1 commit] Remove FogClear debug mode, as stupid users enable it and then complain about the chat messages. |
| 08:44.58 | Repo | mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07WoD * 1.5.6.1-24-g5df1e36 FogClear.lua: [+1 commit] Add missing self: |
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| 08:53.09 | Repo | mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07WoD * 1.5.6.1-26-ge6fea35 FogClear.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 08:53.09 | Repo | e6fea35: Update Battle Map FogClear code to match |
| 08:53.10 | Repo | c249315: Remove unused variable |
| 09:05.32 | sb | nevcairiel: commit dedicated to znf? :p |
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| 09:24.29 | MysticalOS | enables debug then emails nevcairiel |
| 09:25.50 | nevcairiel | thanks for confirming my suspicions! |
| 09:30.31 | Funkeh` | what's all that smoke? |
| 09:30.39 | Funkeh` | must be someone burnin' |
| 09:34.57 | sb | damn it DHL |
| 09:35.06 | sb | ordered haribo special edition to the office |
| 09:35.17 | sb | they tried to deliver on saturday and now i have to pick it up :| |
| 09:35.44 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 09:39.38 | Stanzilla | woah nevcairiel does that mean I might be able to use mapster again |
| 09:40.50 | Adirelle[work] | hrm, our internal servers are down, time to manually add 8.8.8.8 |
| 09:40.55 | Adirelle[work] | DNS servers* |
| 09:41.42 | sb | Stanzilla: referring to chat message commit or something else? ;) |
| 09:43.05 | Stanzilla | taint fixes |
| 09:43.24 | Stanzilla | I was had super broken quest pois with mapster |
| 09:43.35 | Stanzilla | s/was/always/ |
| 09:43.41 | nevcairiel | always worked fine for me in mop |
| 09:44.14 | sb | the quest usable buttons? |
| 09:44.15 | Repo | quester (experimental): 03Nevcairiel 07master * 7c435e0 Quester.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 09:44.15 | Repo | 7c435e0: Make the taint warning more useful |
| 09:44.15 | Repo | 1b87534: Completely generate the matcher functions |
| 09:44.49 | nevcairiel | although it still taints the damn button if you use the size changing button in mapster, ie. to switch small and big map |
| 09:44.54 | nevcairiel | no idea how to fix that |
| 09:45.00 | nevcairiel | the damn code is too tightly coupled |
| 09:45.12 | Stanzilla | I actually meant the blue blob areas |
| 09:45.34 | nevcairiel | those stopped being secure in 6.0, they wont break again |
| 09:46.59 | Stanzilla | cool |
| 09:47.28 | nevcairiel | the only thing that keeps bugging me right now is the quest item button in the quest tracker |
| 09:47.41 | nevcairiel | although it w orks mostly now, if you dont use the size up/down buttons :D |
| 09:49.55 | Adirelle[work] | I'm supposed to reuse a generator bundle (context: PHP, Symfony2) written by a teammate to generate basic CRUD pages, it is working but the generated code is ugly as fuck : no abstraction, highly coupled code, ... I'm wondering how I'll tell the project leader I won't use that crap... |
| 09:50.47 | Repo | quester (experimental): 03Nevcairiel 07master * f778f20 Quester.lua: [+1 commit] Remove pattern variables which are no longer needed |
| 09:50.58 | nebula169 | Adirelle[work]: provide an alternative to use :p |
| 09:51.06 | nevcairiel | usually just flat out and with the facts on the table works fine, for me anyway |
| 09:51.31 | Adirelle[work] | nebula169: i would, but I don't have the time to code it |
| 09:52.32 | Adirelle[work] | there are some good ideas though (and reuse of other fine librairies) but the implementation just sucks |
| 09:54.38 | Stanzilla | uh http://preview.msn.com/ |
| 09:54.40 | Stanzilla | looks kinda neat |
| 09:54.48 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 09:55.10 | Stanzilla | yes really |
| 09:55.44 | nebula169 | looks like every other aggregate info page |
| 09:56.12 | Stanzilla | http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/8/6120669/bing-apps-rebranded-to-msn-with-ios-android-versions < I never liked the bing name |
| 09:56.32 | Adirelle[work] | note : one does not simply listen to concept albums in random order |
| 10:09.51 | Funkeh` | microsoft rebrands their apps for the 500th time |
| 10:10.03 | Funkeh` | now going from a growing brand to a dead brand like msn |
| 10:10.14 | Funkeh` | also bring back windows live whilst you're at it, idiots |
| 10:11.05 | sb | bring back clippy!! |
| 10:11.06 | nebula169 | could rename skype to windows live ! |
| 10:15.09 | Funkeh` | They should be focusing on continuing to improve bing, actually try to make it a valid competitor to Google so there's some actual competition in search |
| 10:15.34 | Funkeh` | But nah, rebrand to MSN! Contrinue the headless chicken approach |
| 10:18.02 | Fisker | you can't go msn it though Stanzilla |
| 10:19.57 | Stanzilla | uwotm8 |
| 10:20.11 | quiescens | o.o |
| 10:27.27 | Funkeh` | Stanzilla, "google it", "bing it" (sort of), "msn it" no... |
| 10:28.49 | Stanzilla | I know nobody that uses anything else than google |
| 10:28.56 | Stanzilla | so that is kinda not happening here anyway |
| 10:41.19 | Stanzilla | but they wont rename the search anyway |
| 10:41.20 | Repo | big-wigs: 03funkydude * r11942 Options/scripts/authors.lua: |
| 10:41.20 | Repo | authors.lua: MysticalOS has 2 logins, merge the commit count. |
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| 10:43.46 | Repo | big-wigs: 03funkydude * r11943 Options/Options.lua: Options: Update contributors list. |
| 10:52.02 | Workfoz | sb: meh, http://nightwish.com/en/news - scroll down to "Unfortunate news from Jukka" (apparently, can't link directly) |
| 10:52.07 | Adirelle[work] | Stanzilla: I use duck duck go |
| 10:52.19 | Workfoz | so you're still googling ;) |
| 10:52.40 | sb | Workfoz: yup, read that some weeks ago :| |
| 10:52.46 | Adirelle[work] | at least they have interesting !bang commands |
| 10:53.22 | Adirelle[work] | i.e. !wowpedia => search on wowpedia, !wf => search on fr.wikedia.fr, !gi => search on google image ( ok :-p ) |
| 10:54.24 | Funkeh` | duckduckgo doesn't use google, it uses bing |
| 10:54.25 | Workfoz | well, pretty much any browser can be set up to support that directly from the search box/omnibar |
| 10:54.32 | Funkeh` | as well as its own results |
| 10:54.57 | Adirelle[work] | yeah, i've down that too, but I have to maintain them when the URL change |
| 10:56.02 | Workfoz | happens almost every other day, I'm sure |
| 10:56.20 | Workfoz | but yeah, DDG uses "a range of sources", Google not being listed |
| 10:56.29 | Funkeh` | you're probably thinking of startpage |
| 10:56.48 | Funkeh` | they are generally the 2 recommended engines |
| 10:57.00 | Workfoz | I recommend Google ~_^ |
| 10:57.23 | Funkeh` | "... around privacy circles" I should have added |
| 10:57.29 | Adirelle[work] | https://duck.co/help/results/sources |
| 10:59.32 | Workfoz | I'm scared that this went through basically without any errors: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Imeg-L7T6Ih8.png |
| 11:01.26 | Adirelle[work] | one of the feature I like in DDG is the absence of the "user bubble" (don't know the right english term) where your previous searches (and clicks) alters further searches |
| 11:03.28 | Workfoz | "evil overlord corporation tracking profile" |
| 11:03.58 | Workfoz | it's probably one of, if not the main feature of such privacy-aware search engines |
| 11:04.52 | Workfoz | uh, another royal baby |
| 11:04.58 | Workfoz | thanks preview.msn.com |
| 11:06.27 | quiescens | go to sleep *foz |
| 11:07.25 | Funkeh` | he's not talking about evil corporation tracking |
| 11:07.50 | Funkeh` | he's talking about avoiding hes search results being influenced by previous results because Google thinks that's what you want to see |
| 11:09.31 | Workfoz | which is... based on the profile they create on you |
| 11:09.52 | Semlar | but profiling is wrong |
| 11:10.07 | Workfoz | you won't say that when your addon is slow |
| 11:10.15 | Semlar | i might |
| 11:10.23 | Workfoz | inserts some infinite loops into Semlar's addons |
| 11:10.39 | Workfoz | good job vsphere updata manager installer, looking for a hard-coded "D:\somepath\msvcredist.exe" |
| 11:20.58 | sb | germans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8SeB3Wjya0 |
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| 12:04.16 | znf | Stanzilla, wow, font rendering on dev is completely fucked up |
| 12:11.53 | Stanzilla | not for me |
| 12:12.17 | znf | reddit renders with Arial instead of Verdana with DirectWrite on |
| 12:12.39 | znf | Facebook renders partially with Helvetica, partially with Helvetica Neue |
| 12:12.40 | Stanzilla | woah that seems like a really fatal error |
| 12:12.44 | znf | with DirectWrite off |
| 12:12.47 | Stanzilla | how can you live with that |
| 12:12.47 | Stanzilla | omg |
| 12:12.57 | znf | I really can't. Everything is much narrower :D |
| 12:13.16 | Stanzilla | my reddit is in verdane |
| 12:13.17 | Stanzilla | l2p |
| 12:13.19 | Stanzilla | *a |
| 12:13.28 | znf | mine isn't |
| 12:13.50 | Megalon | my reddit is in ihavenoclueaboutfonts |
| 12:14.07 | znf | Megalon, right click -> inspect -> styles | Computed |
| 12:14.08 | znf | scroll down |
| 12:14.08 | Megalon | but it's letters |
| 12:15.49 | znf | Facebook also renders with Arial instead of Helvetica with DirectWrite on |
| 12:15.57 | Megalon | verdana |
| 12:16.08 | znf | Megalon, you on dev? |
| 12:16.17 | Megalon | no on firefox :P |
| 12:16.32 | znf | beats Megalon with a stick |
| 12:19.35 | Megalon | thoes romanian peoples, always such meanies :< |
| 12:21.46 | mitch0 | znf: you're from .ro, right? do you happen to know how to find out who owns a phone number there? +40356434400\ |
| 12:22.00 | znf | that's a fixed number on an "alternate" operator |
| 12:22.18 | mitch0 | probably some scammers... |
| 12:22.33 | znf | but no, you can't :P |
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| 12:22.48 | Megalon | what you being scammed about, mitch0 |
| 12:23.22 | mitch0 | nothing, just incoming calls from that number then some music or just disconnect |
| 12:23.40 | znf | I can tell you it belongs to the RDS network |
| 12:23.44 | znf | but that's about it :P |
| 12:23.49 | znf | they used to have an online phonebook |
| 12:23.54 | znf | but not sure what happened to it |
| 12:24.06 | mitch0 | they took it off when they went all scammer-like |
| 12:24.10 | mitch0 | probably |
| 12:24.12 | mitch0 | ;P |
| 12:24.48 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.11 | Fisker | Hey nevcairiel |
| 12:25.14 | znf | want me to call? :P |
| 12:26.13 | mitch0 | want to get scammed? :) |
| 12:26.40 | sb | maybe it is znf!? |
| 12:26.52 | mitch0 | wouldn't be surprised |
| 12:27.21 | znf | I get a 404 |
| 12:27.49 | znf | probably an automated system |
| 12:27.57 | znf | I think I saw that number before, looks familiar at least :P |
| 12:28.42 | znf | yeah, a call center number |
| 12:29.36 | znf | usually calls you about some promotional offers from companies like Metro |
| 12:30.05 | mitch0 | ok, thanks |
| 12:30.24 | sb | add a tellows comment :D |
| 12:30.32 | sb | http://www.tellows.com/num/%2B40356434400 |
| 12:34.51 | znf | there, I added |
| 12:34.56 | znf | I've done my good deed for the day |
| 12:35.42 | mitch0 | \o/ |
| 12:35.46 | mitch0 | hands znf a cookie |
| 12:56.04 | znf | I honestly can't figure out what's wrong with this piece of crap Helvetica font |
| 12:56.26 | znf | Firefox does something interesting. Even though I have the Helvetica font installed, it renders Facebook with Arial |
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| 13:05.20 | sb | i want teh sleeps :| |
| 13:14.32 | Stanzilla | your pc is just fucked up |
| 13:15.24 | Workfoz | znf: did you solve your TLS problem? |
| 13:15.36 | znf | Workfoz, no |
| 13:15.45 | Workfoz | Sad |
| 13:16.04 | znf | Stanzilla, not really. Seems that a lot of people with Helvetica Neue installed seem to have issues with the font looking fucked on facebook, for example |
| 13:16.06 | Workfoz | Can you install nginx in the same box easily? |
| 13:16.12 | Workfoz | *on |
| 13:16.29 | znf | Workfoz, I could... but screw it, it's not that important |
| 13:16.42 | Workfoz | Ok |
| 13:16.43 | znf | it's for private use, and I barely use it from my phone |
| 13:16.50 | znf | works in desktop browsers, so meh |
| 13:17.05 | Workfoz | It only works on desktops because they cheat, btw |
| 13:17.08 | znf | I know |
| 13:17.15 | znf | they cache the intermediate cert |
| 13:17.42 | Workfoz | Rather, they grab it if they don't have it but know where they can get it |
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| 13:18.00 | znf | I see |
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| 13:18.10 | Workfoz | Not quite as evil as silently downloading root certs, but still... Not really good |
| 13:18.16 | znf | So why don't mobile browsers do the same? |
| 13:18.24 | znf | And why should we care about intermediate certs? |
| 13:18.31 | znf | Why is SSL such a fuckin' pain in the ass? |
| 13:18.41 | Workfoz | No idea, Windows phone perhaps does |
| 13:18.44 | znf | It's 2014, can't we really find a better system than this crap? |
| 13:19.00 | Workfoz | It's not TLS 's fault |
| 13:19.14 | Workfoz | It's the whole CA system that's the issue |
| 13:19.23 | znf | That's what I'm blaming :P |
| 13:19.46 | znf | Personally I find it flawed from the moment you have to pay for it... Just seems... crap. |
| 13:20.07 | Workfoz | Somehow, you want to establish that someone you trust verified that the site you're accessing is run by who it claims to be run by |
| 13:20.23 | Workfoz | Well, you're not paying, are you :-P |
| 13:20.41 | znf | Not for StartSSL, sure, but... you get the point :P |
| 13:21.04 | Workfoz | BTW, I know some people who might be interested in what the domain name implies ð |
| 13:21.19 | dieck | CACert aims towards the web of trust system, but the root certificates are not in every browser |
| 13:21.20 | znf | I doubt it, we only deal with local (romanian) ones :) |
| 13:21.31 | Workfoz | I think they wanted to set something like that up for themselves |
| 13:21.35 | Workfoz | Ah |
| 13:22.06 | Workfoz | And it looks like they won't ever be, dieck |
| 13:22.38 | dieck | maybe. but for now, they are the nearest version of an acceptable solution in sight, foggy as it may be :) |
| 13:23.09 | Workfoz | In the end, a self-signed certificate affords you just as much (if not more, since you can arbitrarily scale the key length) security as a cert from an "established" CA |
| 13:23.28 | znf | Yeah, but browsers are bitchy |
| 13:23.32 | znf | And they scare users away |
| 13:23.38 | Workfoz | For a good reason |
| 13:23.55 | dieck | yes. that's why we opted for a wildcard certificate for our domain |
| 13:23.59 | znf | and they make you jump trough hoops... |
| 13:24.05 | dieck | can't have customers be scared |
| 13:24.09 | znf | dieck, and how much does that cost? |
| 13:24.34 | Workfoz | You can only trust self signed certs if you can verify them some other way besides accessing the site over https |
| 13:24.55 | znf | why does a wildcard certificate cost much more than class 1/single thingie cert? |
| 13:25.00 | dieck | znf: â¬294 for 3 years |
| 13:25.25 | znf | How do CAs justify the price increase? They just verify your domain regardless, right? |
| 13:25.35 | dieck | correct |
| 13:25.57 | dieck | I think it's a "free market" problem. Companies are willing to pay it, so they take it. |
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| 13:26.38 | quiescens | how much of it is "willing", versus, effectively "have to" |
| 13:26.54 | znf | good point... |
| 13:27.10 | dieck | sounds like a hen and egg problem |
| 13:27.11 | znf | Browsers scare the users, so you're not exactly willing, you have to |
| 13:27.41 | znf | And if you start your own CA business, you don't really have a chance of getting into all major browsers, do you? |
| 13:28.08 | dieck | Oh, I won't say that |
| 13:28.17 | dieck | there are MANY CAs accredited |
| 13:28.39 | znf | So why aren't the prices going down? :P |
| 13:29.17 | znf | Also, I don't see CACert.org in the big "ring of trust" thingie |
| 13:30.31 | Workfoz | Because you can't trust the connection the cert is being sent over |
| 13:30.50 | Workfoz | Wow, 10 minutes later my mobile connection is back |
| 13:31.37 | znf | Wasn't this supposed to replace the current system? http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6844 |
| 13:31.41 | znf | (well, a proposition) |
| 13:32.49 | znf | something about storing the certificate fingerprint (?) in DNS records, afaik |
| 13:40.24 | Workfoz | IIRC there was a RFC (which are, you have to keep in mind, SUGGESTIONS) to store the fingerprint of the CA certificate in DNS |
| 13:40.42 | Workfoz | so your browser can be sure that the cert for the site you're visiting is from a certain CA |
| 13:40.50 | Workfoz | and not a rogue CA that issued a certificate for this domain |
| 13:41.08 | Workfoz | theoretically, you could go as far as putting the fingerprint of the actual cert there, not sure if that's any improvement |
| 13:41.22 | Workfoz | but all of this requires that DNSSEC is deployed for the entire chain |
| 13:41.43 | Workfoz | which, itself, is the same issue as the CA system. you need to trust the root cert for DNSSEC, too |
| 13:42.16 | Workfoz | 294⬠for 3 years lol |
| 13:42.27 | Workfoz | well, yeah, if you go with "the establishment" ^^ |
| 13:43.28 | Workfoz | among the for-pay CAs (which are the only ones you can realistically use today, CAcert is a dream that might some day become reality... maybe), StartSSL is one of the fairest |
| 13:43.47 | Workfoz | they only bill you for stuff that requires human work |
| 13:44.20 | Workfoz | which is why their domain validated certs (for which others already take ~30⬠(depending on CA) are free - that process is 100% automatable |
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| 13:45.18 | Workfoz | however, personal validation (60$, valid for 1 year) allows you to issue as many certs as you like (validity of the certs up to 2 years), including wildcard certs |
| 13:46.08 | Workfoz | only thing excluded from that is kernel code signing (normal code signing is fine, I think), time-stamping (not sure what that is), and EV (green bar) |
| 13:46.50 | Workfoz | if you're doing it for a company, you have to do personal + company validation (another 60$, also valid 1 year), which gets you company details in the cert fields, and cert validity up to 3 years |
| 13:47.42 | Workfoz | EV is a bit more expensive, but the validation fee for that (140$ includes 1 EV cert, so it's more like 90$, because every additional EV cert is another 50$) |
| 13:47.54 | Workfoz | all of these options are... significantly cheaper than the competition ^^ |
| 13:48.23 | Workfoz | but be sure to not lose your keys, make mistakes in the cert data etc - revocation and reissue and such are /not/ free (since they require someone to look into it) |
| 13:48.58 | Workfoz | so, if you know half-way what you're doing... StartSSL is a really good deal |
| 13:50.54 | Workfoz | CAs are supposed to verify that you are who you say you are, but none of the CAs we have bought our certs from (or well, our reseller did) have ever contacted us just once |
| 13:51.43 | Workfoz | in contrast, StartSSL wanted an ID document & a current utility bill and even called me from the US to verify that I exist & that it was me who's trying to get verified |
| 14:01.30 | nevcairiel | Workfoz is rambling |
| 14:01.42 | Workfoz | I am prone to that at times |
| 14:01.51 | Workfoz | mostly when it comes to stupid issues like this one :P |
| 14:02.00 | Workfoz | CAs are money-printing machines |
| 14:02.07 | nevcairiel | we should create one! |
| 14:02.17 | Workfoz | not the worst idea of 2014 |
| 14:02.28 | Workfoz | (to round that rant off: http://www.startssl.com/?app=40 comparison chart) |
| 14:03.34 | nevcairiel | that reminds me that my old code signing cert should expire soon |
| 14:03.47 | Workfoz | where did you get yours? |
| 14:03.53 | nevcairiel | but my class 2 startssl should still be good, can just get it there for free now |
| 14:04.03 | Workfoz | yeah, if you validated in the last year |
| 14:04.08 | quiescens | moo |
| 14:04.17 | Workfoz | my certs are going to expire beginning of next year, I'll have to re-validate then |
| 14:05.10 | Workfoz | so I spent (effectively) 30$ for 2 (2-year) wildcard certs, can't say that wasn't worth it |
| 14:05.34 | Workfoz | also, my birthday present from my BFF from Hannover arrived today! I am now armed with NERF |
| 14:05.58 | Workfoz | good thing, too, there's an annoying bunch-up of colleagues sitting around here talking about stuff I have nothing to do with |
| 14:06.14 | nevcairiel | meh, startssl wont accept my auth cert for some reason |
| 14:06.22 | nevcairiel | i hate x509 auth |
| 14:06.50 | Workfoz | is your browser picking the right one? |
| 14:07.07 | nevcairiel | how would i know, it just says ssl connection erroir |
| 14:07.09 | Workfoz | (that was always the problem for me when I couldn't get in - it was presenting some old invalid one) |
| 14:07.21 | Workfoz | use another browser where you didn't check the "always use this cert" checkbox :> |
| 14:07.57 | nevcairiel | ah yeah it did expire |
| 14:16.39 | nevcairiel | this stuff should really be more verbose |
| 14:17.12 | nevcairiel | also, i've run into a extremely stupid code problem today, and it killed my motivation entirely again |
| 14:17.36 | nevcairiel | i will just work on something else tomorrow, especially because the author of the broken code doesnt seem to care that it makes me unable to continue working :p |
| 14:17.54 | Workfoz | grml, restarting Chrome kills my music queue |
| 14:18.01 | Workfoz | and the stupid vmware integration plugin doesn't even work |
| 14:18.06 | Workfoz | (probably not 64 bit compatible?) |
| 14:18.13 | nevcairiel | probably! |
| 14:18.17 | Workfoz | works in Firefox |
| 14:23.08 | Workfoz | need better headphones/amp |
| 14:23.17 | Workfoz | colleagues so loud I can't turn the music up far enough to not hear them |
| 14:25.31 | Workfoz | or maybe noise cancelling ones |
| 14:27.14 | Workfoz | why is this Windows install 20 GiB |
| 14:27.22 | Workfoz | I hate that there's no useful way of thinning out Windows installs |
| 14:30.43 | quiescens | delete stuff |
| 14:34.25 | sb | delete quiescens! |
| 14:34.30 | sb | while he is asleep |
| 14:34.34 | quiescens | ): |
| 14:34.36 | sb | time to go hoem |
| 14:36.12 | nevcairiel | there, startssl account recovered |
| 14:36.13 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 14:36.30 | nevcairiel | wopnder if it says anywhere how long my validation is still valid for |
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| 14:54.23 | Fisker | damnit Stanzilla |
| 14:54.42 | Fisker | people that are paragon level 200 and above on their seasonal hurt my brain |
| 14:55.50 | Workfoz | quiescens: I just embiggened the vmdk + embiggened the ntfs volume |
| 14:56.00 | Fisker | embiggened <3 |
| 14:56.01 | Workfoz | (which, nicely enough, all works from a running system without downtime) |
| 14:56.19 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: should be somewhere in the toolbox or something |
| 14:56.51 | quiescens | o.o |
| 14:56.55 | Fisker | Here it usually didn't work without destroying data |
| 14:57.18 | quiescens | i don't think making the drive bigger is technically the same as thinning teh install |
| 14:57.51 | Workfoz | it certainly isn't, but it soothes my nerves in any case |
| 14:58.36 | Stanzilla | Fisker: why |
| 14:58.40 | Stanzilla | I'm 200 and above |
| 14:58.53 | nevcairiel | well we already knew that you have no life |
| 14:58.55 | Fisker | How should I know? |
| 14:59.04 | Fisker | I have no life too nevcairiel |
| 14:59.11 | Workfoz | hmpf, someone find me where I put the CA files for our iDRACs |
| 14:59.12 | quiescens | nerf stanzilla |
| 14:59.30 | Fisker | Your what? |
| 15:00.20 | Workfoz | CA key/cert + serial file |
| 15:00.32 | Workfoz | oh the other part |
| 15:00.52 | Workfoz | iDRAC, Dell's integrated remote management controllers |
| 15:01.04 | Fisker | ah |
| 15:01.10 | Workfoz | HP iLO, Intel RMM, Dell iDRAC, IBM iDontKnow |
| 15:01.24 | Fisker | Do they need to be verified publicly? |
| 15:01.27 | Workfoz | wait, IBM was 'e', so eDontKnow |
| 15:01.47 | Workfoz | no, but I hate clicking through the warnings every time, so I just made a simple openssl ca and added the root cert to my browser |
| 15:02.01 | nevcairiel | IBMs is called Remote Supervisor Adapter, or RSA |
| 15:02.04 | Workfoz | one less warning when trying to open a remote console |
| 15:02.17 | Workfoz | there's already like 4 prompts if I'm REALLY SURE from Java alone |
| 15:02.28 | Fisker | So you wanted to solve one problem but created two |
| 15:02.29 | Fisker | :D |
| 15:02.43 | Workfoz | as these things go, yes |
| 15:02.52 | Workfoz | (however, I did so a long while ago) |
| 15:02.58 | Fisker | I guess you don't run a DC or anything like that then? |
| 15:03.02 | Workfoz | sure |
| 15:03.08 | Workfoz | but I don't have an account that can use its CA |
| 15:03.39 | Fisker | fail :( |
| 15:03.48 | Adirelle | nevcairiel, so I talked with the project manager and it more or less worked: I fixed the most obvious flaws of the bundle but I'm not going to use it |
| 15:04.22 | nevcairiel | you spent time on fixing stuff, and then still dont use it? |
| 15:04.24 | nevcairiel | that seems weird :D |
| 15:04.47 | Adirelle | talked with the workmate that wrote it, he thinks testing for error condition to throw a meaningful exception is an unnecessary feature... |
| 15:05.01 | Adirelle | yeah, it is |
| 15:05.03 | Workfoz | Fisker: do you know what kind of permissions I need for that? anything less than domain administrator? |
| 15:05.45 | Fisker | Depends on the setup |
| 15:05.46 | Workfoz | (actually, I'm not sure we're running a CA in the AD, they could have signed the SSL interception cert with that, then, but they used a self-signed one for that and installed it everywhere - back when that was still going on) |
| 15:06.01 | Fisker | But usually not less than domain admin |
| 15:07.14 | Fisker | They could've setup a template everybody can use |
| 15:07.24 | Adirelle | nevcairiel, anyway, I didn't spent more than half an hour fixing it, that were bugs you could spot just by reading the code |
| 15:07.38 | Workfoz | a template of what? I mean... I don't even know how I would use it if I was domain admin |
| 15:07.45 | Workfoz | probably some MMC snap-in? |
| 15:08.06 | nevcairiel | isnt everything a mmc snap in |
| 15:08.13 | Workfoz | could be a powershell module! |
| 15:08.23 | Workfoz | that (somehow) reminds me... I wanted to order a cherry mx sampler keyboard thing |
| 15:08.59 | Fisker | certtmpl.msc |
| 15:09.09 | Fisker | That lets you manage templates |
| 15:09.23 | Workfoz | not found! |
| 15:09.24 | Fisker | You can see them through the CA request website or the cert management tool |
| 15:09.26 | Workfoz | probably only on the DCs ;) |
| 15:09.31 | Fisker | needs rsat obviously |
| 15:09.37 | Workfoz | rswhat |
| 15:09.45 | Fisker | remote server administration tools |
| 15:09.49 | Workfoz | (pretty obvious I'm not a Windows admin) |
| 15:09.51 | Fisker | Or you can use a server of course |
| 15:09.55 | Fisker | Yeah :D |
| 15:10.01 | Fisker | Sorry about that |
| 15:10.12 | Workfoz | a server, how do you mean? |
| 15:10.18 | Workfoz | any server that's joined to the domain? |
| 15:10.24 | Fisker | Any server with the role installed |
| 15:10.35 | nevcairiel | servers dont need the rsat since they have the snapins usually installed anyway |
| 15:10.36 | Fisker | Servers come with rsat installed so to speak |
| 15:11.57 | Fisker | All clients can use certmgr.msc though |
| 15:12.09 | Fisker | Though it's kind of weird |
| 15:12.25 | Fisker | Because the certificate you need is probably a computer level cert which won't be shown for you |
| 15:12.50 | Workfoz | I guess I could install the role on our vcenter |
| 15:13.20 | Workfoz | GAH |
| 15:13.58 | Fisker | Shouldn't have made our new CA non-sha1 :P |
| 15:14.13 | Fisker | Would've been funny to see what they do in a few years when Microsoft disables sha1 certs |
| 15:14.41 | Workfoz | https://cdn.mediacru.sh/swBlpM1hXDun.png |
| 15:14.51 | Fisker | Oh right they hire the guy who doesn't know what editions of Windows they have |
| 15:15.20 | Workfoz | that's the "Recent" folder from my previous installation |
| 15:15.32 | Workfoz | at least I know what the folder was called |
| 15:15.56 | Workfoz | link points to my home dir on the dev server |
| 15:16.03 | Workfoz | where I expected it in the first place... but it's not there :D |
| 15:16.16 | Workfoz | gj me |
| 15:19.56 | Adirelle | if I wanted to implement custom hyperlink, I would have to hook SetItemRef, am I right ? |
| 15:24.21 | Workfoz | "license downgrade" when adding a server to vcenter, because eval key has more features than "enterprise" |
| 15:24.23 | Workfoz | what a joke :p |
| 15:25.32 | Workfoz | Fisker: but I probably can't just install the "AD certs" role on my non-DC server and start issuing certs that are trusted by everyone in the domain, right? :P |
| 15:25.46 | Workfoz | (at best, they'd say "issued by: vcenter", right?) |
| 15:26.08 | Fisker | They'd pretty much work as any other selfsigned cert |
| 15:26.35 | Fisker | The way it works with a windows domains is that you install the root CA in the key store |
| 15:26.43 | Fisker | And it distributes that via the domain |
| 15:26.48 | Fisker | So all domain PC's trust it |
| 15:26.53 | Fisker | non-domains still don't |
| 15:27.18 | Fisker | And you would need to either be the CA or the intermediate CA to be trusted by the clients |
| 15:27.54 | Fisker | So basically in your case you'll probably have to go with a third-party option unless you can get more access |
| 15:28.12 | Fisker | But they would presumably have some kind of method for it if they did |
| 15:28.27 | Fisker | Though who knows |
| 15:28.33 | Fisker | maybe your work is as fucked up as mine was :P |
| 15:29.05 | Fisker | Still think the new server admin is hilarious |
| 15:29.59 | Fisker | Basically when the old one left one of the middle management guys got told they would be cutting the position (i.e. she wouldn't be fired but wouldn't have the same responsibilities anymore) so she asked for managing the exchange server |
| 15:30.09 | Fisker | Except she has absolutely no idea about the server side of things |
| 15:30.36 | Fisker | But they hired the new server admin not thinking they would have to bother with looking for someone who could manage that kind of server |
| 15:30.40 | Fisker | they found a non-windows admin |
| 15:30.43 | Fisker | Or non-admin probably |
| 15:31.18 | Fisker | Didn't even know how to reset user accounts in active directory |
| 15:31.20 | Fisker | :P |
| 15:31.26 | Fisker | But he was good with linux servers!1 |
| 15:31.28 | Fisker | We have like 4 |
| 15:31.48 | Fisker | And he needed help on how to find out how much disk space was available |
| 15:33.01 | Workfoz | sounds fun |
| 15:33.05 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 15:33.08 | Workfoz | and yeah, I'd probably have to ask the Windows guys |
| 15:33.30 | Workfoz | if I check my computer's local cert store |
| 15:33.39 | Workfoz | any cert from the DC should show up there somewhere, right? |
| 15:33.56 | Fisker | yeah |
| 15:34.00 | Fisker | under root or enterprise trust |
| 15:34.56 | Workfoz | "issued by" would probably be our domain name, right? |
| 15:35.21 | Fisker | not necesarily |
| 15:35.35 | Fisker | But it would probably be something similar to it |
| 15:35.37 | Fisker | It's basically just a display name |
| 15:37.27 | Workfoz | seems like I don't even have my old custom CA in my certmgr |
| 15:37.43 | Workfoz | so I'll have to start over anyway |
| 15:37.50 | Workfoz | gj me, no idea when or why I deleted that |
| 15:37.58 | Fisker | :P |
| 15:38.29 | Workfoz | I probably moved it somewhere else |
| 15:38.31 | Workfoz | but forgot where |
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| 16:06.49 | Stanzilla | Fisker: what do you think about Lion |
| 16:07.00 | Fisker | I hate lion |
| 16:07.07 | Fisker | same with kitkat really |
| 16:07.19 | Fisker | the peanut version of lion wasn't that bad though |
| 16:07.46 | nevcairiel | ist that just snickers then |
| 16:08.00 | Fisker | n |
| 16:08.01 | Fisker | no |
| 16:08.07 | Fisker | Do you even know what a lion bar is? |
| 16:08.16 | Fisker | also Stanzilla |
| 16:08.18 | Fisker | I don't get it |
| 16:08.35 | Fisker | how would it know what it was called anyway? |
| 16:08.45 | Stanzilla | uwotm8 |
| 16:08.51 | Fisker | Also L preview is 4.4.99 kind of indicates they would be running with 4.5 and not 5.0 |
| 16:09.05 | Fisker | uwotm8? |
| 16:09.06 | nevcairiel | unless they change their mind later |
| 16:09.08 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 16:09.14 | nevcairiel | also, who cares about the versioning |
| 16:09.16 | Fisker | yeah sure |
| 16:09.34 | Fisker | It's just because of the leeeeeeaks nevcairiel |
| 16:09.59 | Fisker | https://twitter.com/EmtLeaks/status/508673460907032576/photo/1 |
| 16:10.22 | Fisker | What app is that even? |
| 16:12.40 | Fisker | Do you know Stanzilla ? |
| 16:12.58 | Repo | broker_healbot: 03oscarucb * r47 (2 files in 1 directory): (1 line trimmed from commit message) |
| 16:12.58 | Repo | roll back r45 |
| 16:12.58 | Repo | Contributions need to be made without useless whitespace changes that destroy SVN history. |
| 16:14.33 | Stanzilla | nope |
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| 16:19.59 | Fisker | hey Parnic |
| 16:20.03 | Fisker | and hey parnic_ |
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| 16:36.23 | EthanCentaurai | I need to poke someone's brains... I get stuck logging into the beta at the character list with the error "interface\SharedXML\AddonList.lua:41:attempt to call global 'AddonDialog_Show' (a nil value)" |
| 16:36.31 | EthanCentaurai | how fix do? |
| 16:37.51 | Repo | broker_healbot: 03oscarucb * r48 Broker_HealBot.lua: |
| 16:37.52 | Repo | update healbot options toggle and minimap toggle for HealBot 5.4.8.4 |
| 16:40.39 | Repo | quester (experimental): 03Nevcairiel 07master * 2a69be7 Quester.lua: [+1 commit] Add simple options |
| 16:41.41 | znf | remove broken addon? :D |
| 16:42.55 | znf | <Workfoz> I hate that there's no useful way of thinning out Windows installs |
| 16:42.58 | znf | sure there is :D |
| 16:43.03 | znf | start ripping stuff from the .wim :D |
| 16:44.07 | nevcairiel | EthanCentaurai: remove all addons that are out of date, just keep one that has a 60000 .toc or so, then on the addon list tick load out of date addons, and you can place them all back in |
| 16:44.16 | nevcairiel | or set the cvar, which i forgot the name of |
| 16:44.31 | Stanzilla | checkAddonVersion |
| 16:44.41 | nevcairiel | i think i tried that though, and it didnt work |
| 16:44.49 | Fisker | cleanbase znf |
| 16:44.57 | Fisker | and break your windows update |
| 16:44.59 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 16:45.02 | nevcairiel | probably also need to set lastAddonVersion |
| 16:45.07 | Fisker | or is it resetbase |
| 16:45.09 | Fisker | idk |
| 16:45.43 | znf | Someone explain me that green-bar crap related to SSL |
| 16:45.45 | znf | why should someone care? |
| 16:46.13 | Fisker | Easier to distinguish domains names? |
| 16:46.18 | nevcairiel | its supposed to tell the user that this website had extra validation performed when getting their certificate |
| 16:46.32 | nevcairiel | and browsers also show the name on the cert in the address bar, dont they |
| 16:46.43 | znf | but how many users do actually care? |
| 16:47.00 | znf | I personally don't give a flying fuck if my https:// is green or the whole bar |
| 16:47.36 | znf | and when did this bar thing came to life? I don't remember it existing years ago, did it? |
| 16:47.43 | Fisker | Oh I thought it was the thing about making it easier to distinguish what domain a site was on |
| 16:47.45 | nevcairiel | its quite old by now |
| 16:47.56 | znf | it's newer than 10 years, that I'm sure of! |
| 16:48.36 | Fisker | I want to eat food |
| 16:48.40 | nevcairiel | it became mainstream supported in 2008 or so |
| 16:49.17 | znf | if I didn't look into SSL certificates the last year or so, I would have never really realized there's such a thing as a green bar |
| 16:49.28 | nevcairiel | its called extended validation |
| 16:49.46 | znf | which again, brings me back to "how many users do actually care?" |
| 16:50.27 | Fisker | The things you don't have to care about is not necessarily bad |
| 16:50.46 | nevcairiel | in theory its supposed to make phising harder, as getting such a certificate is harder than any other |
| 16:50.49 | nevcairiel | but who knows |
| 16:51.07 | nevcairiel | its not like they cost a fortune, any serious web site handling money can easily afford it |
| 16:51.21 | znf | I don't doubt that. I'm just debating it's usefulness. |
| 16:51.40 | Fisker | I think the domain thing was better |
| 16:51.51 | Fisker | What happened to that? |
| 16:51.55 | Fisker | What did it see? |
| 16:51.58 | nevcairiel | what domain thing |
| 16:52.16 | Fisker | The thing where instead of showing the whole url in the urlbar it shows a domain instead |
| 16:52.37 | nevcairiel | EV shows the company name, are you sure you're not thinking of that? |
| 16:52.41 | znf | the origin chip |
| 16:52.43 | Fisker | Because google.com > google.com.asdokjaldaksdhje.asdjkasjdkasd.de |
| 16:52.44 | znf | he means the chrome origin chip |
| 16:53.00 | Fisker | yep |
| 16:53.11 | znf | I think it's the answer to a problem that doesn't really exist |
| 16:53.24 | Fisker | Phishing doesn't exist? |
| 16:54.11 | znf | No, I'm saying that the origin chip doesn't really solve much. If a user is knowleadgeable enough to "scan" for phishing domains, he doesn't need the origin chip as a crutch. If not, he will not look at the address bar either way, most likely. |
| 16:55.00 | Fisker | No he won't look at it since there's no useful information for him |
| 16:55.04 | Fisker | With the origin chip there would be |
| 16:55.18 | znf | People will just bitch that their address bar changed :P |
| 16:55.30 | Fisker | Yes |
| 16:55.39 | Fisker | People always bitch over changes |
| 16:55.47 | znf | And they'll look for a way to disable it |
| 16:55.59 | Fisker | Maybe |
| 16:57.17 | znf | Just like they're doing now with DirectWrite under chrome stable |
| 16:57.28 | znf | "chrome downloaded something and my fonts changed, how do I disable?" |
| 16:57.46 | znf | then a user posted the solution, and everyone who searches for that "problem" will disable it |
| 16:57.56 | Fisker | I once killed a guy with directwrite |
| 16:58.12 | znf | meanwhile, directwrite is b0rked on dev/canary |
| 16:58.23 | znf | and I was meant to file a bug report |
| 16:59.10 | quiescens | stop breaking things znf |
| 16:59.32 | Fisker | I once broke a guy quiescens |
| 17:00.31 | Fisker | How many fire phones can I write you up for Stanzilla ? |
| 17:02.22 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/LoVOR4n.png |
| 17:02.23 | znf | >_< |
| 17:02.25 | znf | Seriously... |
| 17:04.13 | Fisker | Why are you lying znf ? |
| 17:04.19 | znf | I'm not :( |
| 17:04.45 | Fisker | Sure seem like you are |
| 17:11.17 | znf | There we go https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=411963 |
| 17:11.20 | znf | now for the 2nd bug |
| 17:14.29 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 17:16.43 | Gnarfoz | I wonder if there'll be any trouble from ordering 1 l of 99.9% isopropyl alcohol from Amazon to my office |
| 17:16.59 | Gnarfoz | I mean, it's not like that stuff is highly flammable or anything |
| 17:17.40 | Fisker | Amazon certainly doesn't care :D |
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| 17:19.10 | znf | there we go |
| 17:19.12 | znf | https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=411966 |
| 17:19.45 | Stanzilla | you forgot to attach the screenshot :D |
| 17:20.20 | znf | CRAP |
| 17:20.26 | znf | ah |
| 17:20.30 | znf | but I did |
| 17:20.42 | znf | oh, I got captcha on the submit page, must have discarded my attachments |
| 17:21.11 | Gnarfoz | not sold by Amazon anyway, Fisker |
| 17:21.13 | Gnarfoz | some random store |
| 17:21.18 | Gnarfoz | 2,50⬠for 1 l of that shit |
| 17:21.26 | Gnarfoz | mega cheapo |
| 17:22.04 | znf | it's funny to see everythign rendered with Arial.. |
| 17:22.51 | Gnarfoz | great, dropped a piece of cucumber on myself, drenched in balsamic >_> |
| 17:23.06 | Fisker | a |
| 17:31.00 | quiescens | you drenched yourself in balsamic by dropping a piece of cucumber |
| 17:31.08 | quiescens | sillyy *foz |
| 17:34.06 | Gnarfoz | the piece was drenched |
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| 17:41.01 | znf | so |
| 17:41.18 | znf | I tried to redirect all SSL traffic to non-standard ports (ie, !443) trough another connection |
| 17:41.23 | znf | and things broke :( |
| 17:41.56 | quiescens | why would you do that |
| 17:42.06 | znf | trying to redirect all torrents trough another connection |
| 17:43.11 | quiescens | that is more of an answer to "what are you trying to do" |
| 17:43.23 | Ressy | Dear Boss: You're bitching to me about the NAS being down, when what you did caused the NAS to go down... You're lucky I don't kill you right now. ~Ressy |
| 17:44.05 | znf | quiescens, I have multiple connections, 3 of them, each its own routing mark |
| 17:44.06 | Fisker | poor Ressy |
| 17:44.13 | znf | quiescens, so I have main, secondary and tertiary |
| 17:44.17 | quiescens | death threats to boss are usually conducive to a long and prosperous career |
| 17:44.41 | znf | for a specific client group I'm redirecting all http requests and https (443 and 80) trough my secondary connection |
| 17:45.13 | znf | so websites load on a connection, everything else is on the main connection |
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| 17:45.58 | znf | I wanted to also switch all SSL traffic on non-standard ports trough my tertiary connection for that specific group |
| 17:46.40 | znf | but when I do that, all SSL websites break :D |
| 17:47.51 | znf | not sure why, though :-S |
| 17:48.11 | znf | Ah. I know why. |
| 17:49.25 | znf | Doh. That was obvious. |
| 17:54.03 | Gnarfoz | nom nom 7 VM hosts |
| 17:54.11 | Gnarfoz | this is starting to look almost professional! |
| 17:54.42 | Gnarfoz | Workfoz: shoo! |
| 17:55.14 | znf | you scared it :( |
| 17:55.45 | Gnarfoz | I can still scarcely believe vcenter upgrade went without a hitch |
| 17:59.55 | znf | wish my ISP would roll IPv6 already |
| 18:00.14 | haste | strokes his IPv6. |
| 18:01.40 | Gnarfoz | strokes hastes IPv6... via his own IPv6 |
| 18:01.58 | Gnarfoz | basically, ping. |
| 18:02.04 | Fisker | strokes haste via his hands |
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| 19:56.22 | Gnarfoz | maps.google.com |
| 19:56.24 | Gnarfoz | y u no work?! |
| 19:57.00 | Megalon | mhm |
| 20:00.29 | Gnarfoz | just dies sometimes when you want too much from it (like... scrolling around!) |
| 20:02.08 | znf | I hate the fact that there's no sensible way of matching SSL trafic :-( |
| 20:02.16 | znf | I want to move youtube to another connection :( |
| 20:02.16 | Gnarfoz | by IP! |
| 20:02.20 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 20:02.23 | Gnarfoz | good luck, that's what SSL is for |
| 20:02.38 | Gnarfoz | use a proxy auto config script on the client |
| 20:02.56 | znf | I can't rely on that |
| 20:05.03 | znf | the only idea I can come up with is to dig trough the cache of my DNS server and add those addresses to an address_list, then policy routing by destination with that list in mind |
| 20:07.55 | znf | does that |
| 20:09.42 | znf | that went wrong |
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| 20:17.51 | nevcairiel | ah, beta build time, i hope external sounds function again |
| 20:19.27 | sb | no update!? |
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| 20:20.11 | nevcairiel | impatient southerner, the realms only went down recently |
| 20:20.38 | nevcairiel | in fact, they are still up |
| 20:20.48 | nevcairiel | must be going down any minute though |
| 20:26.50 | Gnarfoz | what the fuck, RDP |
| 20:26.56 | Gnarfoz | why does my keyboard just not work sometimtes |
| 20:26.58 | Gnarfoz | -t |
| 20:27.21 | Fisker | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/09/moto-360-review-beautiful-outside-ugly-inside/2/ |
| 20:27.24 | Fisker | Yuuuus |
| 20:27.32 | Fisker | In what way Gnarfoz ? |
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| 20:28.22 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: in the way that I press keys and nothing appears on the other end :D |
| 20:28.23 | Gnarfoz | mouse works |
| 20:28.36 | Fisker | Oh ok |
| 20:28.48 | nevcairiel | never had that with RDP |
| 20:28.56 | Gnarfoz | first time for me, too |
| 20:29.09 | Gnarfoz | by sometimes I meant "the 2nd time tonight" |
| 20:29.09 | nevcairiel | you didnt make it sound like that |
| 20:29.12 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:29.22 | Gnarfoz | it worked in between the 1st time and now |
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| 20:30.21 | Gnarfoz | are you joking vmware |
| 20:30.33 | Gnarfoz | cross-host storage vmotion is only available in the fucking web client |
| 20:30.35 | Gnarfoz | get out |
| 20:30.40 | nevcairiel | are you working again |
| 20:30.44 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 20:32.26 | nevcairiel | to be honest, so was i |
| 20:32.39 | Gnarfoz | for teh lulz |
| 20:32.52 | nevcairiel | but the low code morale of some of the other devs made me depressed again |
| 20:33.02 | Gnarfoz | while this particular consulting company is normally pretty damn well knowledgeable |
| 20:33.04 | nevcairiel | always with the hacks |
| 20:33.09 | nevcairiel | everywhere all the hacks |
| 20:33.25 | nevcairiel | understand code first, then write stuff in it, kthx |
| 20:33.29 | Gnarfoz | they just claimed earlier that we'd have to turn off the VMs to migrate them across the datacenters |
| 20:33.32 | Gnarfoz | fuck that, web client ftw |
| 20:33.47 | nevcairiel | why would live migration care how far the migration goes :D |
| 20:34.12 | Gnarfoz | that's not the issue (but... it could be, since there's latency limits involved that might need adjusting) |
| 20:34.24 | Gnarfoz | the issue is that the target datacenter doesn't have the same storage as the source datacenter |
| 20:34.29 | nevcairiel | although me personally, i wouldnt trust such things, and at the very least want to reboot after |
| 20:34.48 | nevcairiel | but i'm just old school |
| 20:34.56 | Gnarfoz | works just fine in our experience, the VM doesn't (and can't) notice |
| 20:35.09 | Gnarfoz | (should say "the guest") |
| 20:35.33 | Gnarfoz | awww, hosts couldn't connect over the vmotion network :( |
| 20:35.35 | nevcairiel | how does it handle taking its IP with it, when the whole infrastructure it sits behind changes, more or less |
| 20:35.40 | Gnarfoz | but that's probably my own fault |
| 20:35.51 | Gnarfoz | it's all within the same network |
| 20:36.03 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. same VLANs available at both ends) |
| 20:36.22 | nevcairiel | i would've figured your different DCs would not be connected such directly |
| 20:36.29 | nevcairiel | at least different routers etc |
| 20:36.45 | Gnarfoz | we're in the lucky position to have a layer 2 link between them |
| 20:36.54 | Gnarfoz | so, it's almost as if it's one big datacenter =D |
| 20:36.55 | nevcairiel | guess that makes it easier, indeed |
| 20:37.13 | Gnarfoz | the networking partner at the old DC is the operator of the new DC |
| 20:37.20 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:37.24 | Gnarfoz | (which is obviously why that choice was made) |
| 20:37.53 | Gnarfoz | GfK was trying (well, they had to) to make a counter-offer to get us to move to Nuremberg |
| 20:37.58 | Gnarfoz | fuck thaaaat |
| 20:38.20 | Gnarfoz | (might have been more professional... but meh. LOTS more complicated) |
| 20:38.24 | Gnarfoz | anyway, hot phase begins... soon-ish |
| 20:38.40 | Gnarfoz | and I don't want to be the one saying "uh, my shit isn't ready" when it's go time |
| 20:38.59 | Stanzilla | you're hot |
| 20:39.05 | nevcairiel | did they find the missing network adapters yet |
| 20:39.06 | Gnarfoz | ty |
| 20:39.13 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: nope, but we ordered them now |
| 20:39.30 | nevcairiel | who needs 10GbE anyway |
| 20:39.38 | Gnarfoz | since we're now part of a corporation? (not sure that is right, Konzern) |
| 20:39.45 | Gnarfoz | we have to use their centralized ordering processes |
| 20:40.00 | Fisker | You're hotter Stanzilla |
| 20:40.04 | nevcairiel | the proper term is technically group, or corporate group |
| 20:40.10 | Gnarfoz | and they just couldn't believe that we achieved better prices than that with our own Dell premier account |
| 20:40.21 | Gnarfoz | so they "re-made" the order themselves |
| 20:40.24 | Gnarfoz | and forgot the fucking cards |
| 20:40.28 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:40.36 | Gnarfoz | not sure how that made the prices line up (it couldn't have, really) |
| 20:40.39 | Gnarfoz | morons |
| 20:41.08 | nevcairiel | ah yeah the fun of multi-layer bureaucracy |
| 20:41.10 | Gnarfoz | ours was still cheaper in the end, we simply have a better discount% |
| 20:41.30 | Gnarfoz | anyway, something like 13 X520 adapters coming soon, hopefully |
| 20:41.59 | Gnarfoz | (3 for vmware, 2 for backup servers, 8 for our 2 older prod DBs that didn't come with 10 G out of the box) |
| 20:42.37 | Gnarfoz | need the 10 G on the DBs because cluster interconnect is a bottleneck |
| 20:42.47 | Gnarfoz | need 10 G on VM because fuck having 8 1G connections |
| 20:43.09 | Gnarfoz | need 10 G on backup software media agents because... I don't really know why. probably don't. :D |
| 20:43.42 | Gnarfoz | they're fed over 16G FC anyway, straight from the SAN |
| 20:44.07 | Gnarfoz | but... all of this is Zukunftsmusik (...does English have a term for this?) |
| 20:44.18 | Gnarfoz | because colleagues still need to figure out how to install the fucking PDUs |
| 20:44.21 | Gnarfoz | no power, no servers. |
| 20:44.22 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 20:44.32 | nevcairiel | pie in the sky! |
| 20:45.02 | nevcairiel | although thats more of a unrealistic sub-tone |
| 20:45.11 | nevcairiel | otherwise, dreams of the future :p |
| 20:51.08 | Gnarfoz | mh, the new hosts have v2 CPUs |
| 20:51.12 | Gnarfoz | what was that again, Ivy? |
| 20:51.57 | nevcairiel | E5? |
| 20:52.00 | Gnarfoz | yeh |
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| 20:52.12 | Gnarfoz | nice mix... X5650, X5660, 2x E5-2650, 3x E5-2650v2 |
| 20:52.15 | nevcairiel | yeah thats Ivy-E |
| 20:52.21 | Gnarfoz | need to use the "Westmere" compatibility level >_> |
| 20:52.31 | znf | 3 hours ago I was trying to do some policy routing thingie |
| 20:52.39 | znf | now I realized the dns server on my gateway is slow as fuck |
| 20:52.41 | Gnarfoz | (probably doesn't make much of a difference anyway) |
| 20:55.33 | nevcairiel | wow, that sure is quite a span, the X5650 are quite old |
| 20:55.35 | znf | does it make sense to drop all UDP connections to my port53 from my external interface? |
| 20:56.17 | Gnarfoz | if you somehow can exclude answers to your own DNS requests... yes |
| 20:56.35 | znf | from what I know, a DNS server doesn't need to accept incoming connections for it to resolve recursively, right? |
| 20:56.44 | znf | (well, other than my own requests from the internal network) |
| 20:59.48 | znf | ~680 packets / second to my DNS server from the external interface |
| 21:00.56 | Gnarfoz | I wonder if I can somehow add a smartcard I have here at home, using my smartcard reader, to my work Windows account |
| 21:00.59 | Gnarfoz | so I can auth with that |
| 21:03.09 | znf | I just noticed that youtube's records have a TTL of 5 minutes |
| 21:03.20 | Gnarfoz | derp de derp |
| 21:03.27 | Gnarfoz | I only tagged the vmotion vlan on the client ports |
| 21:03.32 | Gnarfoz | < noob |
| 21:08.34 | Gnarfoz | I guess I fucked this host's network up a bit |
| 21:08.37 | Gnarfoz | the others work now |
| 21:08.52 | Gnarfoz | :S |
| 21:09.14 | Gnarfoz | I'll just reset the entire thing, don't want to have weird problems down the road |
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| 21:14.54 | Gnarfoz | and done, works |
| 21:15.02 | Gnarfoz | (different host which I didn't fuck up) |
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| 21:25.03 | Gnarfoz | snarky email to consultans: sent |
| 21:31.37 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/hJzYsdlJZoSP.png and nothing of value was lost \o/ (no interruption... I realize ping is not a perfect example since it's not connection-based) |
| 21:32.18 | Fisker | What do you mean test & qa? |
| 21:32.38 | Gnarfoz | shit that doesn't get priority if there's resource starvation ;) |
| 21:32.48 | Gnarfoz | could label it "get fucked", too |
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| 22:00.00 | znf | I have no idea what I'm missing on this policy routing |
| 22:00.18 | znf | it's driving me insane |
| 22:00.37 | Fisker | ? |
| 22:01.47 | znf | Fisker, I'm trying to route specific destinations/sources trough different connections |
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| 22:36.11 | Gnarfoz | wow, most of my UI still seems to work |
| 22:36.13 | Gnarfoz | I'm amazed |
| 22:41.53 | Gnarfoz | meh, too many items to upgrade them all before test raid |
| 23:04.58 | Gnarfoz | whee |
| 23:05.23 | Gnarfoz | internet was gone for 3 minutes there and... G.vector enabled :D |
| 23:05.50 | Gnarfoz | now 1&1 only needs to wake up and upgrade my contract |
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| 23:20.57 | znf | what's a G.vector? |
| 23:21.53 | pompy1 | ~wiki g.vector |
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| 23:25.02 | Stanzilla | time for nequiq |
| 23:25.04 | Stanzilla | k |
| 23:29.29 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: for... what? cocoa? |
| 23:30.53 | Funkeh` | waiting for G.fast personally |
| 23:31.00 | Funkeh` | going through trials atm |
| 23:31.20 | Funkeh` | should end up being a nice free speed boost |
| 23:33.00 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: nesquik cereal |
| 23:33.44 | Gnarfoz | free... you wish |
| 23:33.58 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, G.fast is next after that, but probably in a few years, still |
| 23:34.09 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: is it really spelled that way or was that a fuckup |
| 23:34.22 | Funkeh` | It will be free here, it's a typical thing that all the "options" get bumped |
| 23:34.26 | Funkeh` | so 40 will become 80 |
| 23:34.32 | Funkeh` | 80 will become 150, etc |
| 23:34.44 | Gnarfoz | y u no... wait, y I no .uk |
| 23:35.09 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: I have no idea |
| 23:35.48 | Funkeh` | But people are expecting a rollout by the end of next year as trials so far have exceeded speed expectations |
| 23:37.34 | Funkeh` | http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/09/first-bt-trial-future-g-fast-copper-broadband-hits-nearly-720mbps.html |
| 23:38.29 | Gnarfoz | right, you split your ISP into a service provider and an infra provider a while back, didn't you? |
| 23:39.06 | Gnarfoz | I feel like that's helping move things along ^^ |
| 23:39.14 | Gnarfoz | (helps... moving? helping to move? what) |
| 23:39.34 | Funkeh` | If you mean BTOpenreach being split off from the BT borg collective, yeah |
| 23:39.53 | Funkeh` | It's not perfect but it helps not to have 1 company own everything |
| 23:40.21 | Gnarfoz | yeah that |
| 23:40.32 | Gnarfoz | I have to close those wikipedia pages and stuff |
| 23:40.33 | Funkeh` | Also now there's the fibre craze other companies are actually digging their own |
| 23:40.40 | Gnarfoz | reading about how this stuff works blows my mind too much |
| 23:41.25 | Gnarfoz | intentionally shaping the EM field of the transmission so that it doesn't interfere with FM radio |
| 23:41.49 | Gnarfoz | (not to mention the other stuff from the previous rounds of wizardry) |
| 23:42.03 | Funkeh` | yeah pretty awesome stuff |
| 23:42.43 | Gnarfoz | moving 100/40 Mbit/s (or even more, in the future) over a pair of almost jokingly tiny copper wires, intended to carry... 8 kHz? voice signals |
| 23:42.51 | Gnarfoz | some decades ago |
| 23:44.26 | Gnarfoz | the case could probably be made that, had they realized the immense bandwidth needs of the future, ALL the money now being spent on research to get even more out of that old stuff could have been spent on fiber deployment instead ;) |
| 23:45.22 | znf | oh dear god, I'm so hungry |
| 23:45.29 | znf | time to cook something |
| 23:45.45 | Megalon | ahh, fresh meat |
| 23:48.45 | Gnarfoz | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Junction_boxes_Deutsche_Telekom.jpg outdoor DSLAMs - our best new buddies for the new century. |
| 23:49.19 | Gnarfoz | make sure your next flat is close to one. :D |
| 23:49.30 | znf | fiber is cheap! |
| 23:49.46 | Gnarfoz | fiber is not cheap to deploy, though. |
| 23:51.01 | Gnarfoz | dig up road, dig up private property premises, penetrate house wall... to connect 1 customer! potentially! |
| 23:51.37 | Gnarfoz | hmmmm optometrist at 10:00... maybe I should go sleep so my eyes are well rested when I get there |
| 23:51.55 | Gnarfoz | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabelverzweiger#mediaviewer/File:KVz_London.jpg muahahah :D |
| 23:52.18 | Gnarfoz | I'd turn around and run away if I had to fix something in there |
| 23:52.33 | znf | Gnarfoz, it was years ago :P |
| 23:52.40 | Gnarfoz | what was |
| 23:52.58 | znf | it was cheap decades ago before every city had a huge infrastructure |
| 23:53.30 | Gnarfoz | a) inflation says "it wasn't actually cheap" b) yeah... and who puts fiber in the ground for... no reason, decades ago? |
| 23:53.41 | Gnarfoz | crazy eastern bloc dictators |
| 23:53.46 | Gnarfoz | not many others ;) |
| 23:54.18 | znf | We had the advantage that our infrastructure was crap before ISPs started to invest |
| 23:54.39 | Gnarfoz | starting from zero anyway, might as well go fiber |
| 23:54.40 | znf | and that our government didn't "liberalize" the market for fixed telephony |
| 23:54.51 | znf | so DSL never picked up |
| 23:55.23 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that was not a great idea here, either |
| 23:55.29 | Gnarfoz | should have kept the infrastructure |
| 23:55.33 | znf | because our national phone company had a monopoly on the lines :P |
| 23:55.43 | znf | so, new ISPs had a free hand on implementing their own fiber network |
| 23:55.54 | Gnarfoz | and rent it to competing Telcos (and later: ISPs) |
| 23:56.44 | Gnarfoz | instead, they just made the whole giant national... thing into a big private company that owned network, yay. |
| 23:57.01 | Gnarfoz | and then forced them little by little to please share a bit |
| 23:57.31 | Gnarfoz | the thing Australia had planned was the best |
| 23:57.42 | Gnarfoz | sadly, government changed and basically ruined it |
| 23:58.13 | Gnarfoz | no karl_w_w here, and quiescens is probably dead, as usual |
| 23:58.32 | znf | yeah, stuff's weird in Australia |
| 23:58.33 | znf | like wtf |
