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| 00:54.33 | Torhal | znf: Bah, that's nothing. Look at quiescens. |
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| 01:16.08 | Stanzilla | http://www.clickerheroes.com/ |
| 01:16.20 | Stanzilla | cookie clicker 2.0 or so :o |
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| 01:58.34 | pompy | goodguy torhal |
| 01:58.45 | Torhal | o.O |
| 02:00.13 | Megalon | stop the oxymorons |
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| 02:14.47 | Stanzilla | can freenode pls stop sucking now |
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| 02:32.37 | Repo | frenemy: 03Torhal 07master * 5.4.8.5-5-gf34e1cc Frenemy.lua: [+1 commit] Display empty BattleNet Info lines as "Unknown" |
| 02:37.12 | Repo | big-wigs: 03nebula169 * r11970 SiegeOfOrgrimmar/GarroshHellscream.lua: |
| 02:37.13 | Repo | GarroshHellscream: start checking health after first intermission, fix whirl add mark scanning if you have shaman marking off, tweak Malicious Blast warning |
| 02:44.11 | Stanzilla | nebula169: did you order a new iphone? |
| 02:44.31 | nebula169 | nah, i'm never bleeding edge when it comes to phones |
| 02:46.21 | Stanzilla | ok |
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| 03:14.54 | Stanzilla | I want a snickers :( |
| 03:18.21 | quiescens | ): |
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| 04:01.05 | Repo | frenemy: 03Torhal 07master * 5.4.8.5-8-g878f09d Frenemy.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 04:01.06 | Repo | 878f09d: Display all toons being played by a BattleNet friend, instead of just the first. Also ensure Zone Name is at least "Unknown" instead of blank. |
| 04:01.06 | Repo | 1843a91: Reversed the color gradient for guild ranks: Guild Leader would be red in stead of green, for example. |
| 04:01.32 | Repo | frenemy: 03Torhal 045.4.8.6 * afb783a /: [new tag] |
| 04:02.50 | Stanzilla | WOHOOO TORHAL |
| 04:02.52 | Stanzilla | YAYAY |
| 04:04.22 | Torhal | ? |
| 04:04.38 | quiescens | gives torhal a cookie |
| 04:05.49 | Stanzilla | I'm retarded |
| 04:06.18 | Torhal | That doesn't clear up any confusion, Stanzilla. |
| 04:07.28 | quiescens | o.o |
| 04:16.07 | Stanzilla | Torhal: I was congratulating you on releasing |
| 04:16.54 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Oh! |
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| 04:55.02 | nebula169 | apparently i logged in while i was merging anchors and hosed my config |
| 04:55.05 | nebula169 | THANKS STANZILLA |
| 04:55.52 | Stanzilla | hahahaha |
| 04:56.20 | Stanzilla | that's why you don't dev from the wow dir! |
| 04:58.37 | nebula169 | i mean, i have my wtf backed up, but it was a few minutes of confused lua error spam before i released what happened |
| 04:58.51 | nebula169 | realized* |
| 05:01.10 | Stanzilla | do you have automated backups? |
| 05:01.15 | Stanzilla | or how do you backup |
| 05:01.52 | quiescens | cp |
| 05:23.06 | nebula169 | Stanzilla: yea, task on the first of the month |
| 05:23.46 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 05:25.27 | Torhal | [23:56:21] <Stanzilla> that's why you don't dev from the wow dir! <-- That's the only way to properly develop...how else do you test stuff? :D |
| 05:27.54 | Stanzilla | copy paste! |
| 05:29.15 | nebula169 | i have dev stuff in it's own dir then have them symlinked into wow, so i can still test the results of packager, but copy/pasting all changes is way too much effor |
| 05:30.35 | Torhal | Stanzilla: How is pasting code into the copy in the WoW dir any different from...you know what? Nevermind. Insanity. |
| 05:31.09 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 05:45.24 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 05:45.54 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 05:47.08 | Repo | adibuttonauras: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.7-90-ga0c93df tests/Items.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed tests. |
| 05:49.06 | tlund | Stanzilla: thanks. |
| 05:49.21 | tlund | Stanzilla: @ office now, will test tonight :) |
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| 05:50.48 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 06:02.25 | Fisker | The deadening Stanzilla |
| 06:03.25 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 06:03.45 | Stanzilla | Fisker: go fix the guy in mmoc |
| 06:06.13 | quiescens | go to sleep o.o |
| 06:10.23 | Fisker | go to Stanzilla |
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| 06:55.37 | quiescens | moo |
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| 07:30.50 | nevcairiel | heh, no heirloom vendors in 6.0 anymore |
| 07:31.06 | nevcairiel | they just took them out until the new heirloom system is implemented in presumably 6.1 |
| 07:31.17 | quiescens | oh noes |
| 07:34.10 | sb | morning |
| 07:34.26 | Fisker | I ate food in 6.0 nevcairiel |
| 07:35.01 | nevcairiel | thats cool Fisker |
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| 07:51.21 | nevcairiel | i should pay someone to walk stairs for me |
| 07:51.28 | nevcairiel | took the garbage out, totally exhausted after |
| 07:52.22 | quiescens | gives nevcairiel a cookie |
| 07:52.46 | quiescens | how long until you are fixed? |
| 07:52.49 | quiescens | o.o |
| 07:53.10 | nevcairiel | hopefully 2 weeks |
| 07:53.23 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 07:53.53 | nevcairiel | as long as i dont have to do stairs, i can get around quite easily these days |
| 07:54.13 | sb | ohai another murloc pet.. :/ |
| 07:54.20 | nevcairiel | what did you expect |
| 07:54.23 | nevcairiel | its always been murloc pets |
| 07:54.34 | sb | right :D |
| 07:55.40 | nevcairiel | did you get virtual ticket? |
| 07:55.57 | quiescens | maybe some day you can summon them all at the same time |
| 07:56.02 | quiescens | and then take over the world! |
| 07:58.12 | nevcairiel | oh, all sorts of custom gtx 980/970 are showing up on the web, thats nice, i was afraid i would have to wait long for a custom cooled variant |
| 07:58.25 | nevcairiel | OC models, too! |
| 07:58.29 | Kalroth | :o |
| 07:58.33 | Kalroth | pls 980 OC |
| 07:58.49 | Fisker | source nevcairiel ? |
| 07:58.51 | Kalroth | the asus 970 looks nice |
| 07:58.53 | nevcairiel | this is a 970 OC from asus with their directcu II cooler |
| 07:58.58 | nevcairiel | if they make a 980 like that |
| 07:58.59 | Kalroth | http://www.techpowerup.com/ Fisker |
| 07:59.11 | Kalroth | yeah, i liked the asus 280X models at least |
| 07:59.22 | Kalroth | even if they are AMD |
| 07:59.34 | Fisker | I kind of want to upgrade |
| 07:59.35 | Fisker | but money |
| 07:59.44 | nevcairiel | my upgrade bill is cliiimbing |
| 07:59.52 | nevcairiel | if i add a new gpu, its like â¬2500 |
| 07:59.54 | Fisker | Yeah but you at least make money |
| 08:00.37 | sb | Gnarfoz: https://play.google.com/music/m/Bn2gdmr65rjdx6kmek66tekgkay |
| 08:00.54 | nevcairiel | getting a good job in IT shouldnt be too hard, should it? |
| 08:02.22 | Fisker | Depends nevcairiel |
| 08:02.43 | nevcairiel | i get like two job offers every week, but i just ignore them |
| 08:02.48 | Fisker | Considering a person who still uses telnet for access to networking equipment got a job and I don't I must be very bad at my job |
| 08:03.21 | Kalroth | well telnet works just fine, sooo! |
| 08:03.29 | Fisker | Yeah Kalroth |
| 08:03.40 | Fisker | It's also irrelevant when you just add a single character to the default password |
| 08:03.46 | Fisker | only takes <36 tries to bruteforce |
| 08:04.22 | Kalroth | you didn't say anything about security |
| 08:04.32 | Fisker | Any retail listings yet nevcairiel ? |
| 08:04.45 | sb | Fisker: bad vita or missing degree?? |
| 08:04.51 | Fisker | I was considering writing "secure access" Kalroth |
| 08:05.02 | nevcairiel | Fisker: nah, shops are probably more afraid of the NDA than the manufacturers |
| 08:05.04 | Fisker | But that would require it being secure to begin with |
| 08:05.11 | sb | nevcairiel: yup, got the virtual ticket |
| 08:05.23 | Fisker | Me too |
| 08:05.33 | Kalroth | http://s8.postimg.org/fik1ofnx1/Capture.jpg dunno how true these prices are, but they seem right |
| 08:05.34 | Fisker | I don't know what you mean sb |
| 08:05.45 | sb | Fisker: whats the reason for not getting a job? |
| 08:05.50 | Fisker | bad vita? |
| 08:06.15 | Fisker | $599 for a custom one is sexpensive |
| 08:06.43 | sb | Fisker: CV |
| 08:06.45 | Kalroth | it's (a lot?) faster than 780 Ti and Titan, especially when overclocked |
| 08:06.49 | Fisker | ah |
| 08:06.49 | nevcairiel | vita = cv = résumé |
| 08:06.50 | Fisker | no sb |
| 08:06.53 | Fisker | neither |
| 08:07.03 | sb | overpriced? |
| 08:07.13 | Fisker | Nah |
| 08:07.18 | sb | "i wants 100000 eur to buy ALL phoens!" |
| 08:07.31 | Fisker | Basically |
| 08:07.36 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: i dont trust any of those performance numbers until an official and comprehensive review |
| 08:07.52 | Fisker | I'm pretty sure the guys who replaced me got to demand more money than even the predecessors |
| 08:08.05 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: definitely, but even without any numbers, the new cards would have to be equal or faster |
| 08:08.14 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 08:08.14 | Fisker | I demanded less, but significantly more than I was already getting |
| 08:08.25 | Kalroth | nvidia wont sell many desktop cards based on power efficiency alone |
| 08:08.46 | nevcairiel | the way it worked at my old place, once you already had the job, you basically had zero chances to adjust your salary in any meaningful way |
| 08:09.00 | nevcairiel | but if you are a new hire, you can of course negotiate your new salary |
| 08:09.05 | Fisker | I think my issue is that I don't see my qualifications as any particularly special |
| 08:09.06 | sb | same here |
| 08:09.07 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: yeah, that's pretty normal |
| 08:09.14 | Fisker | So I don't oversell it |
| 08:09.20 | nevcairiel | well, thats why i quit |
| 08:09.33 | nevcairiel | no increase = i look for new job that pasys double! |
| 08:09.36 | nevcairiel | pays* |
| 08:09.41 | Kalroth | only way to adjust it apart from the 3-5% yearly raise is to threaten to quit (or just quit :) |
| 08:09.55 | Fisker | People keep saying I should just lie about it |
| 08:09.59 | Fisker | But I won't |
| 08:10.01 | nevcairiel | the situation that company was in, they were kinda happy a bout everyone that left |
| 08:10.15 | sb | Kalroth: there are even jobs where you dont get those 3-5% :| |
| 08:10.20 | Fisker | Yeah nevcairiel |
| 08:10.28 | nevcairiel | of course my immediate boss wasn't, but if you went higher they didnt care about qualifications |
| 08:10.30 | Kalroth | Fisker: dont lie about it, but dont leave out stuff that's important, even if you don't think so |
| 08:10.31 | Fisker | I was hired as basically a temp supposed to help out with the phones |
| 08:10.32 | nevcairiel | less people = more better |
| 08:10.33 | sb | Kalroth: especially in web dev |
| 08:10.34 | Fisker | Hence low hire |
| 08:10.44 | Fisker | I obviously wanted that adjusted if I were to get a permanent contract |
| 08:11.02 | Fisker | Kalroth it doesn't matter what way you word it, It feels |
| 08:11.04 | Fisker | err |
| 08:11.11 | Fisker | Kalroth it doesn't matter what way you word it, it feels dishonest and I won't d o it |
| 08:11.12 | Fisker | do it* |
| 08:11.13 | Kalroth | sb: yeah, IT has been in recession for ages now |
| 08:11.51 | nevcairiel | i still get loads of job offers, of course i never respond so i have no clue how good my chances would be of getting one of those |
| 08:12.02 | Kalroth | Fisker: like i said, don't lie - but don't omit stuff just because you think it's unimportant, list everything and then get a second view on what you should include in your resume |
| 08:12.05 | Fisker | Think chances are pretty good |
| 08:12.13 | sb | i'm super happy with my job, but seeing ~4 new hires / year and knowing "they are getting more moneyz!" sucks :| |
| 08:12.22 | Fisker | Oh it's not a CV thing Kalroth |
| 08:12.26 | Kalroth | oh |
| 08:12.28 | Fisker | I'm talking about at a job interview |
| 08:12.34 | nevcairiel | sb: luckily you dont usually know for sure how much someone makes |
| 08:12.53 | Kalroth | job interviews are a pain, takes a while to get used to |
| 08:13.26 | Fisker | Yeah well it doesn't matter, I won't be lying so might as well not get a job |
| 08:13.29 | Kalroth | I recently switched jobs, after having been the same place for almost 12 years |
| 08:13.51 | Fisker | How the fuck that guy working at my old job got a job in this sector is beyond me |
| 08:13.57 | sb | nevcairiel: well, i know from some collegues - 10y coworker eaerns little more than me (4y) and new guy ("quereinsteiger") eaerns less - but there are other new "sap consultants" - i dont have to "know" this :D |
| 08:14.01 | Kalroth | and some job interviews were utter bullshit |
| 08:14.07 | Fisker | But I guess he got this job because our boss is a fucking dumbass |
| 08:14.23 | nevcairiel | sb: they are "sap consultants", they can charge extra just for that |
| 08:14.27 | Fisker | He's so busy eating our own propaganda he's believing it |
| 08:14.30 | sb | nevcairiel: yup... |
| 08:15.06 | Fisker | When we changed from VMWare to Citrix Xen (i.e. the non-open source model until recently) it was because of we were a big supporter of open source! |
| 08:15.12 | Fisker | Nothing to do with money |
| 08:15.21 | Fisker | *whistles* |
| 08:15.29 | Kalroth | haha |
| 08:15.59 | Fisker | When they changed to the open source model I upgraded our servers to be legit open source |
| 08:16.01 | nevcairiel | dont companies usually prefer the expensive paid version because then they can just call someone and yell at them when something fails? |
| 08:16.03 | Fisker | And saved us the licensing costs |
| 08:16.33 | Fisker | But they renewed their license anyway because their consultant wanted to use the support because of a problem we were having |
| 08:16.49 | Fisker | So we paid a bunch of consultants to fix a problem by having them ask the manufacturer about it |
| 08:16.59 | Fisker | What part of that makes sense |
| 08:17.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 08:17.20 | Fisker | We paid consultants to have us pay the manufacturer so they could get free support |
| 08:17.23 | Fisker | ???? |
| 08:17.41 | Fisker | But ok the guy who agreed to that deal was a dumbass as well |
| 08:17.49 | Fisker | Also got in on fake credentials |
| 08:18.37 | Fisker | I was told he included like a 20-page report he had written |
| 08:18.41 | Fisker | Pretty god damn awesome |
| 08:18.47 | Fisker | fancy graphs and everything |
| 08:18.52 | sb | nevcairiel: but i'd never think of quitting. hearing lots of stuff from other companies (work conditions) - its near perfect here :D can do what i want, when i want - free time when i want it, some goodies (phone, ...), etc. - okay, there would be 1 viable option, but i wont move to munich :D |
| 08:19.10 | sb | Fisker: sounds not like a good place to work at :| |
| 08:19.15 | Fisker | He has not made one single report since he got the job, and the small stuff he does write is riddled with grammar and spelling errors |
| 08:19.19 | quiescens | what do you have against munich |
| 08:19.23 | sb | quiescens: Stanzilla |
| 08:19.30 | quiescens | o.o |
| 08:19.38 | Fisker | it wasn't sb |
| 08:20.07 | Fisker | The people hiring was obviously not suited enough to gauge the technical capabilities of the people they were hiring |
| 08:21.04 | Fisker | btw that person also said he had experience with our deployment software and our exchange servers |
| 08:21.08 | nevcairiel | sb: work conditions were pretty nice at my old job as well, noone really knew what i did, as my job description was "system architect", i just consulted with everyone else on their projects and made sure the system kept working flawlessly, however the work itself was kinda silly and the projects we had to do could drive you crazy sometimes, and if an offer comes around for twice the money and even more freedom (working from home on topics i |
| 08:21.08 | nevcairiel | want to work on)... :d |
| 08:21.19 | Fisker | When the guy whose job I started taking over quit he was asked |
| 08:21.22 | Fisker | He couldn't do it |
| 08:21.41 | Fisker | So I got to take it over instead |
| 08:21.44 | sb | nevcairiel: okay - twice the money is nice indeed |
| 08:21.53 | Fisker | When our other sysadmin who was doing exchange quit they asked him |
| 08:21.55 | sb | but i dont know if i wanted to work from home all the time |
| 08:21.57 | Fisker | still couldn't do it |
| 08:22.02 | Fisker | So I basically took over there as well |
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| 08:22.11 | sb | okay, withi twice the money i could get a better place, extra work room and stuff |
| 08:22.30 | nevcairiel | thats my plan to get a new apartment next year with a small office room |
| 08:22.58 | quiescens | and then take over the world? |
| 08:22.59 | nevcairiel | but since i also live alone, its ok to sit in the living room :p |
| 08:23.18 | Fisker | so when I'm doing at least 2 peoples job at the same time, I don't expect that to be held against me or that my request to get a more equal pay is denied because even though I'm doing 2 guys jobs at the same time I'm apparently nowhere near as good as they are |
| 08:23.47 | nevcairiel | i didnt really want to quit, and new company asked what it would take for me to do it anyway, so i told them a number, and they increased it a bit more and offered it to me :P |
| 08:24.00 | Fisker | We also had two students one of them working exclusively with the deployment guy |
| 08:24.08 | Fisker | and they both stopped at the same time |
| 08:24.20 | Fisker | So in fact it could be said I was replacing 3 people instead of 2 |
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| 08:25.28 | Fisker | Anyway to get back to the guy they hired |
| 08:25.37 | Fisker | I think our boss has been fed the open source propaganda too much |
| 08:26.01 | Fisker | so he probably lit up like a christmas tree when he said he was mainly experienced with open source operating systems |
| 08:26.06 | nevcairiel | you know, you dont have to "lie" in a job interview, just don't under-sell just because you think what you do is not special, don't invent facts, but present the ones that are there in a proper light .) |
| 08:26.39 | Fisker | Despite the fact we only have like 4 (8 if you count the xen hosts, which he doesn't know how to do anyway) servers running Linux |
| 08:27.03 | Fisker | Yeah nevcairiel I know that |
| 08:27.31 | Fisker | But the problem with that is that the job interview generally goes in a way that makes it impossible to do that |
| 08:28.06 | nevcairiel | I'm probably not in the best position to give advice though, i only ever had one job interview in my life |
| 08:28.11 | Fisker | It's not like I get to go shout 15 minutes of whoo look at me, and then drop the mic on the floor and walk out |
| 08:29.00 | nevcairiel | .. and that one was already slightly nudged in my favor, as I was already an intern with that company for a couple months before, so my boss lobbied for me at the higher boss that decided about hiring |
| 08:29.12 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 08:29.16 | Fisker | Same here |
| 08:29.30 | Fisker | More or less |
| 08:29.55 | Fisker | Except my grand boss just wanted to get free cheap labour I guess |
| 08:29.56 | Kalroth | I think I was initially hired because they couldn't find any better candidates |
| 08:30.04 | nevcairiel | and the job after just threw money at me because they knew what i could do |
| 08:30.23 | Fisker | And ended up hiring worse one for more money because they made a bluff I called them on |
| 08:30.24 | Kalroth | it was back in uhh, 2000 and IT economy was booming |
| 08:30.49 | Fisker | Though I'm not certain |
| 08:31.02 | nevcairiel | in 2000 i was still a happy student :p |
| 08:31.28 | Fisker | But I know that the accountant lady for the first time in the 2 years I've been there asked me to leave the room because she was doing wages |
| 08:31.39 | nevcairiel | although i had a job taking care of the "IT" of some local company, which was like 5 desktop PCs and one server |
| 08:31.42 | Fisker | So probably got paid more than the two other guys :D |
| 08:32.07 | Fisker | Yeah I was done late 2008 |
| 08:32.14 | Kalroth | damn kids |
| 08:32.33 | Fisker | Guess who wanted new students at the end of 2008 |
| 08:32.36 | Fisker | Nobody that's who |
| 08:33.04 | Fisker | Though actually the one good interview I had went to another guy I graduated with |
| 08:33.08 | nevcairiel | i was lucky, as i found this job as they offered a bacherlor thesis position, and i j ust got hired after |
| 08:33.29 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 08:33.44 | Fisker | I'm just hoping they fall below the 90% uptime the bosses SLA dictates |
| 08:33.50 | Fisker | but that's going to be hard |
| 08:34.07 | Fisker | I'm sure a team of monkeys could still maintain a 90% uptime |
| 08:34.23 | sb | but there are really bad jobs out there... |
| 08:34.34 | nevcairiel | a friend of mine is stuck in a really terrible job |
| 08:34.38 | nevcairiel | but he doesnt want to quit |
| 08:34.48 | Kalroth | Fisker: 10%? that's nuts, that's 16+ hours a week |
| 08:34.56 | sb | guildie/friend told me of his job... boss emailing at 19:00 "get this done for tomorrow, i have to do a presentation" |
| 08:34.58 | Fisker | Yep Kalroth |
| 08:35.11 | nevcairiel | but he is also kinda silly, he is still somewhat stuck in university, and would need to do his bachelor thesis, but he is too lazy to finish |
| 08:35.15 | Fisker | I was apparently the only one who thought it was hilarious when he mentioned it at the meeting |
| 08:35.29 | nevcairiel | he started university like 1 year before me |
| 08:35.30 | sb | boss eamiling again at 07:00 in bold/size 40/red/CAPS: incompetent people, dont know what you are getting paid for etc.. |
| 08:35.34 | nevcairiel | and i finished 4 years ago |
| 08:35.37 | nevcairiel | so, go figure! |
| 08:36.04 | Fisker | It wasn't until I then mentioned afterwards "Apparently we can be down for close to two work-months with no repercussions what so ever." |
| 08:36.14 | Kalroth | i guess 14-16 hours of weekly downtime is fine if it's 2 hours every night from 3am to 5am on a non-mission critical system |
| 08:36.42 | nevcairiel | its funny how the bosses realize how much downtime is allowed in a SLA once you calculate it in days/weeks instead of just percentage |
| 08:36.45 | Fisker | Well he apparently gets to define his own parameters anyway |
| 08:36.46 | Kalroth | sb: there's always an asshole boss out there |
| 08:36.57 | nevcairiel | but we have 99.9% uptime! |
| 08:37.12 | Fisker | Before I was leaving there was some pushback for our file server crashing hard like 3-4 times |
| 08:37.21 | Kalroth | something about bosses being more psychopathic than the general population! |
| 08:37.25 | Fisker | So he basically decided uptime = the amount of time the file server is running |
| 08:37.29 | Fisker | doesn't matter if shares are connect |
| 08:37.34 | Kalroth | hah |
| 08:37.36 | Fisker | if the host is up = all systems nominal |
| 08:37.43 | Fisker | connected* |
| 08:38.05 | nevcairiel | i think the highest level we offered was 99% though, we had a special department for high availability systems beyond that |
| 08:38.13 | Fisker | They actually asked for feedback on our boss before I left |
| 08:38.16 | Fisker | also mentioned it in there |
| 08:38.43 | Fisker | uptime on the file server does not mean the file shares are up, and there are dozens of other discrete systems that have functions that impact our work greatly |
| 08:39.09 | Fisker | So it's not wise to dismiss the clients claims based on a percentage uptime from one server |
| 08:39.51 | nevcairiel | anyhow i should take a shower, i'm stinking up the place |
| 08:40.00 | Kalroth | smelly |
| 08:40.00 | Fisker | We noticed |
| 08:40.01 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 08:40.07 | sb | see, that happens when you work at home |
| 08:40.12 | sb | not showering for weeks! :| |
| 08:40.19 | nevcairiel | sb: actually i usually shower every day |
| 08:40.21 | Kalroth | haha |
| 08:40.25 | nevcairiel | its just hard right now! |
| 08:40.37 | nevcairiel | although i did figure out how to get in and out of the shower without breaking my neck |
| 08:40.46 | Fisker | Just get one of those weird entities that stay with you |
| 08:40.55 | Fisker | twitch calls them a grill |
| 08:41.24 | nevcairiel | i have a small stool in the shower now for sitting on |
| 08:41.27 | nevcairiel | i feel so disabled! |
| 08:42.06 | sb | Fisker: so you can do BBQ in the shower? |
| 08:42.11 | Kalroth | eww, you got stool in the shower? |
| 08:42.17 | Fisker | :3 |
| 08:42.26 | Fisker | It's a small one though Kalroth |
| 08:42.29 | Fisker | So it's not that bad |
| 08:42.37 | Kalroth | oh okay |
| 08:42.53 | nevcairiel | does that joke work in any language anyway? |
| 08:42.57 | nevcairiel | i know it does in german |
| 08:43.23 | Fisker | tror jeg ikke nevcairiel |
| 08:43.24 | Kalroth | stool is both a seat and feces in english |
| 08:43.39 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: well in german too |
| 08:43.39 | Kalroth | dont think it works in denmarkian tho |
| 08:43.49 | nevcairiel | although its not usually used like that |
| 08:43.50 | Fisker | sætter sig på sin afføring |
| 08:43.57 | Kalroth | Fisker: jeg har en stol i bruseren!! |
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| 08:47.17 | nevcairiel | meh, i dont even have anything to do in WoW anymore, i finished the last MoP reputation grind yesterday (at least those that i care about, the timeless isle shit is still there and it sucks) |
| 08:47.54 | nevcairiel | i wonder, do you get reputation when you run ToT a second time a week? or only the first? |
| 08:50.03 | nevcairiel | only once :( |
| 08:51.53 | Workfoz | herro |
| 08:52.14 | nevcairiel | no wonder you have to work so late when you get in at 11am! |
| 08:53.05 | Fisker | I once got in on 8am and left again at 1pm the next day nevcairiel |
| 08:53.22 | nevcairiel | i was forbidden to do that |
| 08:53.51 | nevcairiel | after i think 16 hours i absolutely had to leave for at least 12 hours or so |
| 08:53.53 | Fisker | It's probably not legal |
| 08:53.58 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 08:54.00 | Fisker | Similar here |
| 08:54.18 | nevcairiel | i forgot the exact rules |
| 08:54.21 | nevcairiel | never ran into it anyway |
| 08:54.27 | nevcairiel | i was a developer, not a systems guy |
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| 09:00.18 | Workfoz | something like "have to have 11 hours of rest between work days" |
| 09:00.31 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 09:00.34 | Workfoz | but the "not longer than X" are also partly "on average" |
| 09:00.38 | Fisker | We have the same rule here |
| 09:00.43 | Workfoz | but there's also an absolute upper limit for 1 day |
| 09:00.52 | Workfoz | etc... "it's complicated" |
| 09:00.58 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 09:01.03 | Workfoz | someone know how to easily parse/validate JSON from bash? |
| 09:01.18 | Workfoz | I just want to know if it's valid, so I can throw it away and start over if it's not |
| 09:01.28 | Fisker | If you work 24 hours in a day there needs to be at least 11 hours until next shift, and you cannot work for another 24 hours for a specific amount of time |
| 09:02.15 | Fisker | here we had a 24/7 phone for issues with the eldercare systems |
| 09:02.15 | Fisker | Turns out it was illegal |
| 09:02.53 | Fisker | Because basically they needed at least 3 people to complete a legal rotation |
| 09:03.00 | Fisker | Didn't pay the correct extra fees |
| 09:03.03 | Fisker | etc. |
| 09:03.05 | Workfoz | similar |
| 09:03.22 | Fisker | They were only 2, and for like half a year or more they were only one doing it |
| 09:03.54 | Workfoz | have a phone that we pass around week for week (or more realistically: most people have it for 2-3 weeks) |
| 09:04.23 | Workfoz | and we're supposed to answer or delegate (or fix, if we can) if some tickets show up there as SMS |
| 09:04.26 | Fisker | But apparently the one person was also hired on a specific ruleset that kind of almost allowed him to just deny existence of the program |
| 09:04.39 | Fisker | our boss is a dick btw |
| 09:04.43 | Workfoz | no pay, and obviously 1 person having it for even 1 week violates everything |
| 09:04.55 | quiescens | nerf *foz |
| 09:06.03 | Fisker | The other employee he couldn't do it with |
| 09:06.08 | Fisker | So she went to her union |
| 09:06.21 | Fisker | And then he pretty much told her if she was to do that they would have to lay off people in order to pay her |
| 09:06.32 | Fisker | And then the union also agreed to take other girls case |
| 09:06.34 | Fisker | So it was even worse |
| 09:06.35 | Fisker | :D |
| 09:30.28 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: which raid engine & level do you use? |
| 09:31.00 | Workfoz | after managing to rid myself of 90% of my mech keyboard browser tabs, I spent the rest of the night in another "look at FlexRAID" frenzy |
| 09:31.09 | Workfoz | suddenly not so sure again I want RAID-F |
| 09:31.10 | Workfoz | :D |
| 09:31.18 | Fisker | http://www.techpowerup.com/img/14-09-17/Logitech_G910_Orion_Spark_01.jpg |
| 09:31.19 | Fisker | seriously |
| 09:31.42 | nebula169 | so colorful |
| 09:31.53 | Fisker | THIS REALITY ISN'T SOME FUTURISTIC HELLHOLE FROM WHATEVER MOVIE YOU GOT THAT IDEA FROM |
| 09:31.54 | Workfoz | tRAID seems like it's a feature cut out of NZFS, that guy's (overly-ambititous) project to make something to compete with ZFS and NetApp, Synology and what not |
| 09:32.01 | Workfoz | (I think he has some confidence problems) |
| 09:32.17 | Workfoz | Fisker: but it's not mech, is it |
| 09:32.25 | Fisker | It is |
| 09:32.27 | Workfoz | I saw the teaser video for that yesterday |
| 09:32.33 | Workfoz | they had keycaps that fit no switch I know |
| 09:32.37 | Workfoz | neither MX nor Topre |
| 09:32.49 | Fisker | It's their own stuff |
| 09:32.50 | Workfoz | (nor Alps nor Matias) |
| 09:32.53 | Fisker | Romer-G it's called |
| 09:32.55 | Workfoz | so... it sucks? :D |
| 09:33.07 | Workfoz | heh :D |
| 09:33.08 | Fisker | That much was obvious from the screenshot I just linked? |
| 09:33.24 | Fisker | Why anybody would have a keyboard like that is beyond me |
| 09:33.37 | Workfoz | it looks a bit... jumbled together |
| 09:33.59 | Workfoz | sb: where's our k70 rgb brown?! |
| 09:34.34 | Fisker | Though I guess there's actually utility in the shape of the caps |
| 09:35.21 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: I use the Tx engine with 2 paritiys |
| 09:35.40 | sb | Workfoz: no idea :| |
| 09:36.03 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: if you want RAID-F kinda depends on what kind of storage you have |
| 09:36.24 | Workfoz | I think you have a lot more disks than I do |
| 09:36.32 | nevcairiel | write-once-read-often? RAID-F is for you, write-often of any kind? RAID-F is not ideal |
| 09:36.45 | Workfoz | but tRAID writing is not fast, either |
| 09:36.49 | nevcairiel | ie. long term media storage, its good |
| 09:36.58 | Workfoz | I'd torrent directly onto it |
| 09:37.01 | Workfoz | not sure where that fits |
| 09:37.09 | Workfoz | and run games from it that might modify their own files |
| 09:37.22 | Workfoz | seems like both of that could still fit under RAID-F |
| 09:37.23 | nevcairiel | tell your torrent client to pre-allocate the entire file on start of download and RAID-F works fine |
| 09:37.24 | Workfoz | could |
| 09:37.38 | Workfoz | not sure how it reacts to the torrent client doing things while it's doing its sync |
| 09:37.58 | Fisker | oh man |
| 09:38.11 | Fisker | team solomid totally prefers it for competitive play by using it for less than 30 seconds |
| 09:38.11 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 09:38.29 | Fisker | Also last I checked all of them seemed to be using tons of logitech gear |
| 09:38.36 | Fisker | I think this video is legit! |
| 09:38.54 | Fisker | All they need is Trump going in at the end and screaming THE VALUE |
| 09:42.32 | Repo | legacy-quest: 03EthanCentaurai 07master * 371ee74 QuestLogFrame.lua: [+1 commit] Removed some unused cruft. |
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| 09:55.21 | Workfoz | oh god |
| 09:55.38 | Workfoz | now I'm making a while true loop in which I check if the JSON this stupid bash script puts out is valid |
| 09:55.43 | Workfoz | and only exit if it is |
| 09:56.34 | nevcairiel | that seems like a good idea |
| 09:56.44 | quiescens | polling! |
| 09:56.45 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 10:08.14 | Workfoz | you don't think so? :p |
| 10:08.33 | nevcairiel | if you just keep trying, eventually the script is going to get smart and output proper json |
| 10:08.45 | nevcairiel | might take until skynet takes over though |
| 10:09.28 | Workfoz | I'd be fine with that |
| 10:09.30 | Workfoz | http://haste.db6.org/itucopupex.sh |
| 10:10.01 | Workfoz | kludge, but hopefully solves the issue at hand |
| 10:13.53 | EthanCentaurai | hastebin |
| 10:13.55 | EthanCentaurai | genius :D |
| 10:15.15 | haste | if it only wasn't named haste :D |
| 10:18.01 | Fisker | poor hastebin |
| 10:27.03 | nevcairiel | if it only wasnt designed on top of javascript |
| 10:30.15 | nevcairiel | anyone got any idea if its remotely possible to solo SoO at 100? :d |
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| 10:30.36 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla is crazy enough to possibly have tried it |
| 10:32.05 | Workfoz | depends on if they consider it "old raid" already |
| 10:32.23 | nevcairiel | thinking about is, porbably a whole load of mechanics that make it impossible anyway |
| 10:32.32 | Workfoz | if not, you'll probably have to be geared, see our Sarth 3D try |
| 10:32.52 | Workfoz | I was by far not sufficiently OP to do it alone |
| 10:33.10 | nevcairiel | i cant judge how good your gear would've been for a 85 |
| 10:33.17 | nevcairiel | and i'm not looking for heroic :p |
| 10:33.37 | Workfoz | oh, well, hm |
| 10:33.39 | Workfoz | no idea then |
| 10:33.55 | nevcairiel | unless they adjust mechanics, impossible anyway |
| 10:33.55 | Workfoz | why would you want to solo what is currently flex soo at 100? |
| 10:34.58 | znf | remember that you do increased damage to targets below your level in WoD |
| 10:36.07 | Workfoz | see "if they consider it 'old raid'" |
| 10:36.27 | nevcairiel | i think they may not, if i remember reading that correctly anyway |
| 10:36.29 | Workfoz | or is it really only "if it's lower, more damage", regardless of if you're in a raid |
| 10:37.07 | znf | if it's lower, it's more damage, afaik |
| 10:37.12 | znf | you don't need to be in a raid |
| 10:37.24 | nevcairiel | i thought it was more complex than that |
| 10:38.29 | znf | even works on dummies |
| 10:38.50 | znf | you hit lvl80 dummies for 700-800k :D |
| 10:38.59 | nevcairiel | i found the post, and its only applied for stuff below pandaria |
| 10:39.04 | nevcairiel | ie pandaria content doesnt get it |
| 10:39.11 | znf | Oh :( |
| 10:39.42 | znf | yet* |
| 10:41.46 | sb | Workfoz: sarth3d is a joke :| |
| 10:41.57 | nevcairiel | he was 85 :p |
| 10:42.01 | sb | oh :D |
| 10:42.01 | Workfoz | not at 85 with leveling gear |
| 10:42.02 | sb | okay |
| 10:42.07 | sb | why 85? |
| 10:42.17 | Workfoz | because I wanted the other mount without waiting for the reset |
| 10:42.31 | sb | you only have 1 90s? |
| 10:42.47 | Workfoz | yes |
| 10:42.51 | sb | you should Stanzilla more! |
| 10:43.14 | nevcairiel | anyhow, sarth3d 25 requires decent dps, since you need to kill him before the second drake engages or he gets an immunity shield |
| 10:43.15 | Workfoz | Stanzilla stanzillas enough for both of us |
| 10:43.23 | nevcairiel | my crappy lfr/flex gear wasnt enough for th at |
| 10:43.27 | Workfoz | good thing I did 25 on my main,t hen |
| 10:43.28 | Workfoz | ;D |
| 10:43.49 | Fisker | I once stanzilla'd a guy |
| 10:43.54 | sb | nevcairiel: okay, didnt know it was that different, killed it within some seconds |
| 10:44.13 | znf | sb, they're all alliance newbs. |
| 10:45.15 | nevcairiel | speaking of, lets do malygos |
| 10:46.02 | sb | work! |
| 10:46.17 | nevcairiel | thats too bad |
| 10:46.18 | znf | *sigh* nothing like getting a phone call that someone forgot to put some wines into the menu that's currently printing |
| 10:48.30 | Workfoz | aka "your fault, pay for the new ones" |
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| 10:48.59 | znf | *their* fault |
| 10:49.09 | znf | they forgot to actually tell them about these wines |
| 10:49.27 | znf | and it's "fun" to fit 6 new products but only remove one on a page |
| 10:49.35 | znf | space doesn't grow on trees, people! >_< |
| 10:51.11 | nevcairiel | of course no malygos mount |
| 10:51.12 | sb | you need a black hole then |
| 10:51.14 | nevcairiel | lets try onyxia |
| 10:51.15 | Workfoz | yes, I meant "their" because you're on the phone. that was a suggestion for you to say :D |
| 10:51.41 | Fisker | hmm znf |
| 10:51.49 | sb | nevcairiel: now do TK for alar mount :p |
| 10:51.58 | Fisker | Did you use the latest dev channel on chrome yet? |
| 10:52.32 | nevcairiel | sb: thats not a drake |
| 10:52.36 | znf | Version 39.0.2159.4 dev-m |
| 10:52.36 | znf | ? |
| 10:52.44 | Fisker | yep |
| 10:52.49 | Fisker | I need a chrome non-dev channel |
| 10:52.52 | Fisker | Something is fucky |
| 10:53.12 | nevcairiel | i use stable |
| 10:53.23 | znf | I used to be on canary |
| 10:53.24 | znf | :D |
| 10:53.31 | Fisker | I got canary too |
| 10:53.35 | sb | nevcairiel: so you only want drakes? |
| 10:53.46 | nevcairiel | sb: at this particular time, yes |
| 10:53.55 | Fisker | Guess I could try chrome stable on my surface |
| 10:54.00 | Fisker | but it does some display scaling anyway |
| 10:55.06 | znf | surfacelol |
| 10:55.26 | nevcairiel | i need an addon into which i can put some weekly tasks that i want to do, and it automatically notices when i did them |
| 10:55.31 | nevcairiel | ie. raids to do, etc |
| 10:58.44 | znf | SavedInstances? >_< |
| 10:58.57 | znf | didn't it had a reminder feature? |
| 10:59.01 | znf | or am I remembering wrong |
| 10:59.13 | nevcairiel | its not only raids |
| 11:00.50 | Kalroth | how would it automatically notice when you did a raid? just check if you're in a raid group at a specific time? |
| 11:01.35 | sb | detect boss kills |
| 11:01.56 | nevcairiel | yeah usually its not a raid itself, but a specific boss in it |
| 11:01.56 | Kalroth | what if he's benched outside for whatever reason? |
| 11:02.48 | nevcairiel | to my own solo run of an old raid? :) |
| 11:02.52 | Kalroth | or is it more of a reminder if you killed a raid boss, it doesn't matter how or when? |
| 11:02.53 | Kalroth | ah |
| 11:02.54 | znf | Kalroth, lockout, doh? |
| 11:03.29 | znf | and yes, you can detect bosses killed in a lockout judging by the way info is presented by SavedInstances |
| 11:03.33 | nevcairiel | well, no onyxia drake either, lets do it a second time with el-huntardo |
| 11:03.48 | nevcairiel | znf: only in new-ish raids iirc |
| 11:05.00 | znf | Oh |
| 11:09.31 | znf | ...why am I watching a video of a chick making her boobs appear bigger? :-| |
| 11:09.57 | nevcairiel | because you thought it would show boobs? |
| 11:10.35 | znf | It shows cleavage |
| 11:10.36 | znf | good enough |
| 11:12.32 | Kalroth | boobies? |
| 11:13.07 | znf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R-UKYA2k4c |
| 11:13.11 | znf | yes, boobies |
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| 11:16.36 | Workfoz | GAH why does this stupid bash script not work |
| 11:18.20 | znf | because you used /bin/sh instead of /bin/bsh |
| 11:18.22 | znf | bash |
| 11:18.51 | Workfoz | what |
| 11:18.57 | quiescens | do you have bash installed? |
| 11:19.00 | Workfoz | that's not it. |
| 11:19.23 | Workfoz | script does what it did before, it's just my new block that apparently never executes oO |
| 11:20.36 | Fisker | Anyway znf something directwrite seems to have changed in this build znf |
| 11:20.59 | znf | did it? |
| 11:21.12 | znf | I had to disable directwrite 3 build devs ago |
| 11:36.21 | Workfoz | why the hell does this shit not enter my if block |
| 11:36.36 | Workfoz | must be the conditional, but I don't see what's wrong with it |
| 11:38.11 | Workfoz | hmm ok, "env -i" to the rescue... sh: {: command not found |
| 11:38.13 | Workfoz | what the hell |
| 11:38.19 | Workfoz | those lines don't contain any {'s |
| 11:50.21 | quiescens | gives *foz a cookie |
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| 11:58.17 | mitch0 | turn off digraph support :P |
| 12:46.35 | znf | Workfoz, bash -x ! |
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| 12:51.25 | sb | Workfoz: whats up with this g910 orion spark |
| 12:52.05 | sb | well, since corsair has 1y exclusive for new cherry swiches, they have to do something |
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| 13:57.42 | znf | Stanzilla, damn you and your click games |
| 14:02.45 | sb | yes, stupid clicker heroes |
| 14:07.27 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/Q2ty3Xa.png |
| 14:08.04 | sb | ok |
| 14:09.08 | Megalon | oh just started it up again |
| 14:09.21 | Megalon | 4xxT |
| 14:10.27 | znf | huh |
| 14:10.33 | znf | I don't have enough DPS to pass lvl40 |
| 14:10.44 | nebula169 | bad |
| 14:11.38 | Megalon | just finisehd 60 :7 |
| 14:12.06 | Megalon | just farm the boss that you can do |
| 14:12.56 | znf | bosses give out the most gold/time ratio thingie? |
| 14:13.13 | quiescens | nerf megalon |
| 14:13.21 | Megalon | gold is relative to the hp of the monster |
| 14:14.06 | Torhal | We aren't nerfing Megalon, quiescens; we're buffing you. |
| 14:14.09 | znf | except treasure boxes thingies! |
| 14:14.14 | znf | those give shitloads of gold! :D |
| 14:14.33 | Megalon | just baught 10 kin midas, upgrade is +25% gold weeee |
| 14:19.37 | znf | I barely make enough money for Bobby :( |
| 14:19.52 | znf | I wasted too much gold upgrading the lowbies to lvl100 |
| 14:20.24 | nebula169 | no point in upgrading them past their last skill until you have enough gold to start getting them to 1000 |
| 14:20.45 | Megalon | alexa hast a nice ultimate at 100 |
| 14:21.31 | znf | why at 1000? |
| 14:21.32 | znf | O.O |
| 14:21.33 | sb | nevcairiel: what happens at 1000? |
| 14:21.42 | nebula169 | multiplier goes nuts |
| 14:21.45 | znf | I noticed lots of them have lvl100 upgrades |
| 14:21.50 | znf | I mean perks |
| 14:22.30 | Megalon | http://i.imgur.com/ZMzyq7c.jpg |
| 14:22.40 | nebula169 | its 4x every 25 levels at 200, then 10x every 1000 |
| 14:23.32 | Megalon | alexy has a nice perk at 100 to kill bosses :o |
| 14:23.33 | znf | it seems that at lower income it's only worth doing a lvl2 upgrade, then moving on |
| 14:24.16 | nebula169 | simpliest way to look at it is get everything costing the same |
| 14:24.25 | znf | yup |
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| 15:05.02 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/yjS43nyiaWQ6.png |
| 15:05.44 | Workfoz | sb: "2014 exclusive" more like, apparently. |
| 15:06.17 | Workfoz | sb: I don't know "what's up" with it, otherwise. custom/own switches, so... yeah, could suck, could not suck... IDK. I just saw the one image of it, haven't read any details about what it is/does/etc |
| 15:06.30 | Workfoz | (I can only say it looks ridiculous) |
| 15:06.48 | sb | Workfoz: http://www.golem.de/news/eigene-tasten-switches-logitech-bringt-gaming-tastatur-fuer-180-euro-1409-109300.html |
| 15:08.21 | Workfoz | znf: -x would not have helped me |
| 15:09.03 | Workfoz | I will, however, try to keep it in mind, the next time I have issues |
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| 15:11.59 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: so.. bad news? |
| 15:12.14 | nevcairiel | do you have voip? |
| 15:16.24 | Fisker | http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/09/17/moto-maker-goes-live-uk-france-germany/ |
| 15:16.29 | Fisker | schnell nevcairiel |
| 15:16.34 | Fisker | machen sie |
| 15:16.38 | Fisker | or something |
| 15:16.40 | Fisker | I don't know |
| 15:16.42 | Megalon | make it so |
| 15:16.49 | nevcairiel | engage |
| 15:17.45 | znf | oh |
| 15:17.46 | znf | webgl! |
| 15:21.52 | znf | that google sync feature is nice |
| 15:22.03 | znf | having the phone sync directly with your account on first start |
| 15:22.22 | sb | Fisker: no moto360 maker! |
| 15:22.28 | Fisker | h ok |
| 15:54.24 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: sure, who doesn't these days :D |
| 15:54.54 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: you mean I should check out if my voip disconnects at that time, too? (how would I check that Oo) |
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| 16:02.54 | Workfoz | time to go |
| 16:03.04 | quiescens | bai |
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| 17:04.19 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 17:04.24 | quiescens | brr |
| 17:04.27 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 17:05.15 | quiescens | stan is overpowered |
| 17:07.33 | Stanzilla | is that so |
| 17:08.16 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: no didn |
| 17:08.37 | Stanzilla | I don't think it's possible either |
| 17:08.39 | quiescens | is true o.o |
| 17:08.42 | Stanzilla | not with the first tier of gear |
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| 17:09.14 | quiescens | ethancentaurai agrees |
| 17:09.21 | EthanCentaurai | I do? |
| 17:09.27 | EthanCentaurai | Did I miss something? |
| 17:09.39 | Stanzilla | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/339768-engineers-workshop-engine-evolution-in-warlords-of-draenor/ explains the AA changes btw |
| 17:09.40 | Stanzilla | interesting |
| 17:11.46 | Repo | big-wigs: 03funkydude * r11971 SiegeOfOrgrimmar/GarroshHellscream.lua: SiegeOfOrgrimmar/GarroshHellscream: tweaks |
| 17:12.30 | Funkeh` | fuck AA, where's our 2014 game engine that uses more than 1 core? |
| 17:12.38 | Funkeh` | wait another 2 years for next exp? |
| 17:13.06 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 17:14.39 | quiescens | they need to put in a way to turn off demon hunters' projectiles in d3 so that the melee people can see |
| 17:14.42 | quiescens | nodnod |
| 17:15.48 | Gnarfoz | zomg first raid since 5ever |
| 17:16.19 | Stanzilla | 3fast5u? |
| 17:16.39 | Gnarfoz | most likely |
| 17:16.53 | quiescens | you can do it *foz |
| 17:16.58 | quiescens | we believe in you |
| 17:17.19 | EthanCentaurai | Is it wrong that I read "*foz" as "Starfoz"? :P |
| 17:17.40 | Gnarfoz | not necessarily |
| 17:19.43 | EthanCentaurai | ~seen jadedcat |
| 17:19.50 | purl | EthanCentaurai: i haven't seen 'jadedcat' |
| 17:20.51 | Gnarfoz | as if |
| 17:20.52 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 17:21.00 | EthanCentaurai | what was his irc name again? |
| 17:21.14 | Gnarfoz | unless I'm mistaken, that person has never been here |
| 17:21.29 | EthanCentaurai | Meh. |
| 17:21.51 | EthanCentaurai | I'd respond to his tweet but my account is locked and he won't see it. :/ |
| 17:22.38 | EthanCentaurai | I'mma go cook dinner nao. |
| 17:22.40 | EthanCentaurai | brb |
| 17:23.15 | Fisker | Not here Gnarfoz |
| 17:51.46 | Gnarfoz | gah how do I nuke the combatlog |
| 17:51.48 | Gnarfoz | (the chat tab) |
| 17:52.02 | Gnarfoz | I created a new chat window and it suddenly took on the combatlog personality |
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| 18:01.26 | nebula169 | chatframe2 is always combatlog, there is no nuking it |
| 18:01.40 | Megalon | not even from orbit? :( |
| 18:02.08 | Gnarfoz | sure there is |
| 18:02.14 | Gnarfoz | I didn't have a combatlog until now |
| 18:02.29 | Gnarfoz | and the auto-created chat tabs for whispers were right next to my regular chat window |
| 18:04.35 | Gnarfoz | still, any way to at least hide it, or make it inert |
| 18:04.50 | nebula169 | being next to it doesn't mean it's chatframe2, i was just saying it's special |
| 18:04.53 | Gnarfoz | (preferably perpetually) |
| 18:05.08 | nebula169 | can probably pull it out then just :Hide() it |
| 18:05.09 | Gnarfoz | Can't i just ChatFrame2:Close() or something |
| 18:05.59 | Gnarfoz | isStaticDocked :o |
| 18:13.06 | Ressy | Jadedcat is a she btw. |
| 18:13.32 | EthanCentaurai | Sorry. |
| 18:13.49 | Gnarfoz | sorry not sorry |
| 18:13.56 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: Hide() won't work :( |
| 18:14.14 | EthanCentaurai | :SetAlpha(0) |
| 18:14.16 | EthanCentaurai | ? |
| 18:15.23 | Gnarfoz | that... doesn't make it mouse-uninteractive, does it |
| 18:16.50 | EthanCentaurai | It makes it invisible. :3 |
| 18:16.59 | EthanCentaurai | :RegisterForClicks(nil) ? |
| 18:17.08 | Gnarfoz | why does Hide not work :( |
| 18:17.15 | EthanCentaurai | because. |
| 18:20.49 | EthanCentaurai | Fingers crossed for your sister, Ressy. |
| 18:21.23 | Ressy | Thanks :) |
| 18:22.20 | Ressy | Been a crazy few weeks til they figured out what was wrong with her, then got her on the meds within a few hours of a lumbar puncture. |
| 18:22.47 | Ressy | Can walk with a walker for short distances, starting to get feeling back in her face, and 1 arm. |
| 18:23.04 | Gnarfoz | FCF_Close(COMBATLOG); |
| 18:23.07 | Ressy | On a special diet cuz she can't chew properly cuz she can't feel her face |
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| 18:25.29 | EthanCentaurai | I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. :/ |
| 18:26.41 | Stanzilla | sup mates |
| 18:26.49 | EthanCentaurai | hi stan hi |
| 18:26.54 | Gnarfoz | sup |
| 18:27.07 | EthanCentaurai | tomato sup? |
| 18:27.20 | Stanzilla | I just told my mom a joke and she knew it |
| 18:27.24 | Stanzilla | so unreal |
| 18:32.25 | Stanzilla | also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY |
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| 18:48.25 | Stanzilla | Fisker znf https://github.com/bliker/cmder/pull/273#issuecomment-55909529 |
| 18:49.19 | Fisker | I don't get |
| 18:49.37 | Stanzilla | better powershell integration for cmder |
| 18:52.26 | Fisker | Oh |
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| 19:08.29 | Funkeh` | oh Stanzilla |
| 19:08.35 | Funkeh` | that post talks about future improvements |
| 19:08.38 | Funkeh` | good |
| 19:08.48 | Funkeh` | they even acknowledge the problem of being CPU bound |
| 19:09.03 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 19:20.24 | Fisker | New hangouts update? :o |
| 19:21.19 | Stanzilla | just a small bugfix one yesterday |
| 19:29.00 | Stanzilla | ~~ |
| 19:44.35 | Ressy | EthanCentaurai: You see the kicker? She's 9 weeks preg with #3. Every pregnancy she has some major health issue pop up. >.< |
| 19:44.59 | Ressy | she says shes done after this one. lol |
| 19:45.04 | EthanCentaurai | Ressy: Aye, I did. |
| 19:45.12 | EthanCentaurai | I don't blame her/ :P |
| 19:45.39 | EthanCentaurai | How are they coping? |
| 19:46.54 | Ressy | Husband took off all the time he could. He's working since Sunday. Husband's mother took off work for this week. My mom heads back on Sunday for a week. Their #1 is in school.. But #2 is only 1 1/2, so she's not in school yet. |
| 19:47.06 | Ressy | Mostly, my sis is alone in the hospital |
| 19:48.21 | Ressy | MIL feels guilty tho.. She got sick a few weeks back and sis's husband took time off to take care of her, hense husband not having any paid time off left. |
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| 19:49.16 | Repo | abfed9c: Merge remote-tracking branch 'arcadepro/dev4' |
| 19:49.16 | Repo | 5ed542d: Merge pull request #60 from arcadepro/dev3 |
| 19:49.16 | Repo | 1887934: Some basic Warrior Rules. |
| 19:49.16 | Repo | 5204803: Common Rule fixes |
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| 19:54.22 | EthanCentaurai | I hope everyone will be ok. |
| 19:54.26 | EthanCentaurai | Send them my regards. :) |
| 19:55.05 | Ressy | Thanks. :) |
| 19:55.59 | EthanCentaurai | I'd do more if I could. :/ |
| 19:57.03 | Ressy | I'm going to look into whether I can donate blood.. I was told when I was younger I shouldn't because of an issue with low blood pressure in my brain. |
| 19:58.26 | Ressy | Each dose of the meds is made from about 1000 blood donors. Its nuts. |
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| 20:00.40 | Stanzilla | what are you guys talking about |
| 20:02.02 | Ressy | Oh.. My sister was diagnosed with Guillian Barre Syndrome. In a few days she went from just being in pain (albeit all over her body), to not being able to walk, feel her face, or use 1 of her arms. The other arm is weak. |
| 20:02.37 | Ressy | She was in Neurology ICU from Thurs night til yesterday. Now in the general Neurology rooms. |
| 20:03.16 | Ressy | She was lucky.. They figured out the problem before it hit her lungs or she'd be on a respirator too, and it'd take even longer to recover |
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| 20:06.35 | Stanzilla | oh that sounds horrible |
| 20:07.03 | Ressy | They're hoping to start her rehab in a few days. |
| 20:07.16 | Stanzilla | good luck then :o |
| 20:08.24 | Ressy | Thanks.. They're hopeful that she'll make a full recovery in a shortish amount of time with the physiotherapy. |
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| 20:59.12 | Gnarfoz | why is my broker_equip behind my buffs |
| 20:59.13 | Gnarfoz | :o |
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| 21:10.30 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i was only wondering about voip because telekom doesnt disconnect you when you have voip, but does when you have analog or isdn |
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| 21:18.01 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: also, if you didnt see yet, they posted the article about anti-aliasing; http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/15936285/engineer%E2%80%99s-workshop-engine-evolution-in-warlords-of-draenor-9-17-2014 |
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| 21:19.52 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: sounds more like they are planning to upgrade the engine in the next patches that might require it, not that it already is today, but they probably dumbed it down quite a bit |
| 21:26.03 | MysticalOS | i'm all for engine updates but they kind of screwed over OS X client. they made CMAA DX11 only |
| 21:26.08 | MysticalOS | OS X ONLY has FXAA or none |
| 21:26.15 | MysticalOS | so it's jaggies or super blur |
| 21:26.32 | MysticalOS | and i'm pretty sure my super clocked 780 can handle MSAA. |
| 21:26.43 | MysticalOS | going to miss it :\ |
| 21:27.03 | nevcairiel | Blizzard didnt make it that way, its just an inherent property of the design, which Intel offers to you for free |
| 21:27.23 | nevcairiel | Also, even if they make it sound like that, its probably not about performance |
| 21:27.32 | nevcairiel | they could've just left the option in there if it was just that |
| 21:27.39 | MysticalOS | there are many more things they need to do to fix performance. :\ |
| 21:28.02 | nevcairiel | the performance aspect is just a side-effect, you can speed up the engine by using some new techniques, which make MSAA incompatible |
| 21:28.08 | nevcairiel | but its not that MSAA itself was too slow |
| 21:28.29 | nevcairiel | anyhow, mac players are second-class citizens anyway, get over it |
| 21:28.31 | MysticalOS | yeah i have to wait to see what else they do |
| 21:28.39 | nevcairiel | they wont bend over for 1% of the players |
| 21:28.49 | MysticalOS | it's actually about 5% |
| 21:28.55 | nevcairiel | same shit |
| 21:29.23 | Stanzilla | they should just drop os x from the list of supported platforms :p |
| 21:29.40 | nevcairiel | i wonder if the improvements they talk about are actually measurable ingame, performance wise |
| 21:29.47 | MysticalOS | their 6.0 engine still sucks in large crowds. even an overclocked haswell at 4.7ghz. and a SC 780 still drops as low as 24fps on ordos |
| 21:29.48 | MysticalOS | :\ |
| 21:29.53 | MysticalOS | and this is in windows or OS X |
| 21:30.16 | nevcairiel | i never had such problems on ordos with a 40 man raid there |
| 21:30.21 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: already is, 6.0 raids run way better than before |
| 21:30.23 | nevcairiel | never seen two or more raids at the spot though :p |
| 21:30.24 | Stanzilla | even with 30 people |
| 21:30.30 | Stanzilla | less lag than 25m now |
| 21:30.45 | nevcairiel | speaking of, its wednesday, i can do ordos again |
| 21:31.01 | Stanzilla | finishing my 7th cloak today :o |
| 21:31.16 | MysticalOS | 6.0 raids do run pretty decent. a lot of particle reduction and other improvements |
| 21:31.21 | MysticalOS | and yes 40man ordos is fine |
| 21:31.24 | MysticalOS | i'm talking like 80 man ordos |
| 21:31.30 | MysticalOS | IE tuesdays |
| 21:31.40 | MysticalOS | i suppose it's not as crowded these days though |
| 21:31.44 | nevcairiel | never really seen that happen |
| 21:31.54 | nevcairiel | but i've only been doing ordos for a couple weeks |
| 21:31.57 | nevcairiel | i slacked my cloak |
| 21:32.34 | MysticalOS | but large numbers of npcs and players still hit hard. tenaan near portal is pretty brutal |
| 21:33.47 | nevcairiel | most people complaining are actually people running like 1080p 27" screens, if your pixels are like 1cm wide, you'll obviously see much more aliasing xD |
| 21:33.57 | MysticalOS | lets hope they can refocus on high pop areas more. especially since their idea of a "cool" launch is shoving everyone into same space |
| 21:34.22 | nevcairiel | since the launch is kinda an instanced event thing, i wonder if they can't separate that out |
| 21:34.30 | MysticalOS | raids are pretty good tnough. mythic only 20 people. easily 60fps lock on ultra |
| 21:34.53 | MysticalOS | they can. they were testing phasing to mitigate player population in the stress test |
| 21:35.03 | MysticalOS | and were querying on twitter "did it feel like too many players were around?" |
| 21:35.11 | nevcairiel | well there you go |
| 21:35.12 | MysticalOS | i hope they get those numbers reasonable |
| 21:35.32 | Stanzilla | they are also working on dx12 for wow |
| 21:35.38 | Stanzilla | whcih gives mac nothing again |
| 21:35.48 | MysticalOS | tenaan though isn't just players it's 30 npcs runnin around and tons of mobs. near the portal with no players around still pretty awful fps. well to me 30fps is awful but yeah |
| 21:36.25 | MysticalOS | mac is in bad shape do to inability to hire programmers. blizz pays like 40% less than equiv jobs in other companies |
| 21:37.00 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: opengl has similar enhancements though |
| 21:37.03 | MysticalOS | they actually don't have an opengl developer AT ALL right now. the had ONE who got promoted within company and now opening is vecant |
| 21:37.08 | MysticalOS | progress on opengl3/4 was halted |
| 21:37.24 | nevcairiel | also, on nvidia, dx12 won't do that much, nvidia managed to do a lot in the driver already |
| 21:37.25 | MysticalOS | so pretty sure 6.0 is gonna still be on opengl 2.1 for most of expansion |
| 21:37.34 | MysticalOS | nvidia did AMAZING work on driver |
| 21:37.41 | MysticalOS | i ran tests on 337+ on windows |
| 21:37.49 | MysticalOS | and saw HUGE fps gains in wow compared to 334 |
| 21:38.02 | nevcairiel | wasnt that huge for me, maybe 10 fps, or 15% |
| 21:38.14 | MysticalOS | i tested one of weakest points |
| 21:38.19 | MysticalOS | shrine of seven stars on balcony |
| 21:38.27 | MysticalOS | on 334 fps could drop as low as 40fps |
| 21:38.32 | MysticalOS | on 337, it never dipped below 60 |
| 21:39.10 | MysticalOS | OS X still 40fps. |
| 21:39.16 | MysticalOS | OS X was equal to windows there until 337 |
| 21:40.03 | MysticalOS | Those low level driver optimizations for DX11 that take out the cpu overhead of driver communication were pretty big though. |
| 21:40.39 | MysticalOS | i don't see that ever reaching OS X because apple doesn't give two craps about gaming to include the updated techs needed to do that. well they don't care about OS X gaming. iOS they are happy to intrudoce metal which does exactly that |
| 21:41.56 | nevcairiel | nvidia would have to do that for the opengl APIs as well, but since their main market is windows, and noone in their right mind uses opengl on windows |
| 21:41.58 | nevcairiel | well good luck! |
| 21:42.42 | MysticalOS | nvidia actually puts great effort into OS X, AMD not so much. |
| 21:42.47 | MysticalOS | of course apple mocks it with crap support |
| 21:42.51 | nevcairiel | in unrelated topics, finally saw guardians of the galaxy earlier today, great movie |
| 21:42.56 | MysticalOS | you know latest nvidia driver is 343 on OS X. you know what apple ships? 310 |
| 21:43.12 | MysticalOS | and i can promise you like 95% of mac users do not use web driver |
| 21:43.18 | MysticalOS | they trust apple to update it for them (big mistake) |
| 21:43.41 | nevcairiel | mac users are like sheeps, they use what cupertino gives them |
| 21:45.02 | Stanzilla | that is actually pretty bad that it still uses such an old ogl version |
| 21:45.16 | nevcairiel | yeah 2.1 is pretty limited |
| 21:46.24 | nevcairiel | although by still supporting dx9 on windows, they are also limiting themself to a bunch of fancy new effects, CMAA is like the first feature ever that requires dx11, previously it was just like, dx11 might be faster, but no feature changes |
| 21:46.41 | MysticalOS | OS X 10.7 or higher support 3.2 spec. 10.9 higher support up to 4.1. apple is in no rush to add 4.5 sadly. |
| 21:46.56 | MysticalOS | yeah, cross platform they spend a lot of effort supporting old crap at expense of optimizing newer |
| 21:47.39 | MysticalOS | last time i talked to devs they don't even optimimze the 64 bit code at all. the code is still 32 bit optimized and just fixed up to run 64 but they don't optimize memory or cpu usage in 64 bit binary at all |
| 21:48.03 | MysticalOS | far too many 32 bit users to drop 32 bit and full out optimize 64 |
| 21:48.34 | nevcairiel | well, while you dont use its full potential, you at least don't have any bad effects of doing that |
| 21:48.45 | MysticalOS | even more amusing. D3. a game that doesn't support ANY 32 bit cpus at all. is a 32 bit app because "too many users still run 32 bit windows" |
| 21:49.41 | MysticalOS | honestly if I were blizzard I'd inform users on 32 bit windows "you're doing it wrong. install correct version for your cpu, k thanks" |
| 21:50.36 | MysticalOS | it was a pleasant surprise to see heroes get 64 bit binary. i hope they port it back to sc2 since it's same engine |
| 21:52.37 | nevcairiel | according to steam surveys, there is around 20% still using 32-bit OS, of which 5% or so are XP users, and the rest split for vista/7/8 |
| 21:54.06 | MysticalOS | yeah. that seems about right |
| 21:54.37 | MysticalOS | and blizzard is all about the maximized support since it's logical for bottom line. can't fault them there. but all those users are just doing it wrong. it'd make more sense if developers educated them |
| 21:55.11 | nevcairiel | i wonder if some crappy OEMs even ship 32-bit windows on their PCs/Laptops |
| 21:55.12 | MysticalOS | not immediately drop support, but if detected inform them that 32 bit windows is highly limited. and most of them have hardware that is better on 64 |
| 21:55.21 | MysticalOS | i bet they do honestly |
| 21:55.36 | MysticalOS | at least laptops with 2-4 gig memory configs |
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| 22:06.42 | Stanzilla | D3 is also super stupid on the GPU |
| 22:06.51 | Stanzilla | many people I know have real problems with overheating |
| 22:07.33 | MysticalOS | well, overheating is the computers fault. not D3. D3 is shit on cpu yes. but if a cpu can't maintain thermal threshold at 100% load. then something is wrong with machines Cooling or user overclocked too high |
| 22:07.47 | nevcairiel | i agree |
| 22:07.51 | Stanzilla | standard store bought pcs |
| 22:07.54 | Stanzilla | no overclocking etc |
| 22:07.57 | nevcairiel | still crap then |
| 22:08.00 | MysticalOS | ^ |
| 22:08.04 | Stanzilla | start D3 => pc goes bonkers |
| 22:08.05 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 22:08.08 | nevcairiel | if an app can make your PC overheat, then the PC isn't cooled properly |
| 22:08.09 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 22:08.31 | MysticalOS | software can't make computers work harder than their design. if the computer is not built to operate at 100% load without overhating, it's a shit computer |
| 22:08.36 | Stanzilla | overheat in the form of the GPU fan going crazy |
| 22:08.43 | MysticalOS | that's not overheating |
| 22:08.48 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 22:08.52 | MysticalOS | if "overheating' is a term used to complain about loud fans |
| 22:08.57 | MysticalOS | that's just loud fans |
| 22:08.59 | Stanzilla | should have said that then |
| 22:09.19 | MysticalOS | people complain ALL THE TIME on tech support forums about their fans going crazy when playing games |
| 22:09.25 | znf | Most annoying apple shit ever |
| 22:09.29 | MysticalOS | I'm sorry but your fans won't idle at 100% load |
| 22:09.34 | znf | Can't "activate" a phone without a sim card :-| |
| 22:09.40 | znf | and it requires nano-sim |
| 22:09.55 | MysticalOS | want quiet fans, build a PC with fans that aren't cheap |
| 22:10.31 | nevcairiel | i wonder what my GPU fan sounds like at 100% speed |
| 22:10.35 | nevcairiel | probably a nightmare |
| 22:10.38 | nevcairiel | it never goes there |
| 22:10.44 | Stanzilla | there must be reason why it goes that high |
| 22:10.56 | Stanzilla | and it starts as soon as you launch d3 |
| 22:11.18 | znf | I wonder what mine sounds like |
| 22:11.22 | znf | oh, wait, I have a passively cooled gpu |
| 22:11.41 | MysticalOS | my superclcoked 780 had a custom dual fan cooler and heat sink that's a lot quieter and more effective |
| 22:12.02 | nevcairiel | the default 780 cooler is fine, the titan c ooler they used on it is pretty good |
| 22:12.10 | nevcairiel | its the slightly lower models that have the real crap coolers |
| 22:12.17 | MysticalOS | the fans i put on side panel of case are louder and bring cool air to the GPU |
| 22:12.23 | Stanzilla | so it certainly is D3's fault if all other games run fine |
| 22:12.29 | MysticalOS | no |
| 22:12.39 | MysticalOS | D3 is putting computer under more loud than other games yes |
| 22:12.44 | Stanzilla | sure is, if for example Crysis 3 runs fine on ultra |
| 22:12.51 | Stanzilla | and D3 is putting more load on it IN THE MENU |
| 22:12.54 | Stanzilla | like not even in game |
| 22:12.59 | Stanzilla | then something is wrong with d3 |
| 22:13.12 | MysticalOS | software can be coded poorly yes. and run poorly. but it is not responsible for hardware behavior |
| 22:13.17 | nevcairiel | your argument chain is faulty |
| 22:13.20 | MysticalOS | yes D3 is HEAVILY cpu bound |
| 22:13.27 | MysticalOS | but that's all you can complain about |
| 22:14.09 | Stanzilla | can't tell me it's a hardware problem if every other game runs fine and D3 makes the fans spin at 100% in the character selection screen |
| 22:14.20 | MysticalOS | neither d3 or sc2 run my machine hot though because i have proper cooling |
| 22:14.26 | znf | overheating != fan speed |
| 22:14.34 | nevcairiel | if your GPU ever manages to make its fan go 100%, then your system is badly designed |
| 22:14.39 | MysticalOS | I gaurentee if you fire up ANY OTHER APP that puts same load on PC |
| 22:14.40 | nevcairiel | GPU fans usually never cross 50% |
| 22:14.42 | MysticalOS | fans rev up just the same |
| 22:14.50 | Stanzilla | that's why I say it's something wrong with the game |
| 22:14.53 | MysticalOS | fire up linx |
| 22:14.54 | Stanzilla | when it only happens there |
| 22:14.59 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt |
| 22:15.06 | znf | next Stanzilla will complain that Prime95 keeps his CPU Fan at 100% and it's too noisy :D |
| 22:15.13 | MysticalOS | lol |
| 22:15.20 | Stanzilla | don't be retarded |
| 22:15.40 | znf | also, D3 is not keeping 100% cpu usage for me |
| 22:15.41 | nevcairiel | in any case, if you care about quiet operation during high system load, don't buy a "store bought" PC :P |
| 22:15.41 | MysticalOS | prima is childsplay, linx man. when i run a stress test i set memory and problem size to max and that ball busts hard. |
| 22:15.58 | znf | not on the char selection screen |
| 22:16.20 | MysticalOS | hell my current overclock WILL overheat on linx, but not prima or aida64 |
| 22:16.31 | Gnarfoz | blargh, can't kill maly 25 :| |
| 22:16.33 | Stanzilla | yeah you guys don't understand the problem |
| 22:16.50 | Gnarfoz | (partly also because I'm too dumb for p3 perhaps... or maybe it just doesn't work alone?) |
| 22:17.10 | nevcairiel | no, you don't understand that its perfectly normal for an app to use all the system resources you have, especially a game, and if your system can't deal, then your system is bad |
| 22:17.11 | MysticalOS | no, we are explaining to you the "problem" is that D3's code sucks, and yes it uses a LOT more cpu than a game of that quality should. BUT it's not D3s fault your fans are noisy at 100% load |
| 22:17.31 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: and you want to tell me that using all system resources on the character screen is fine |
| 22:17.32 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 22:17.34 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: it works alone, but in my experience any more than say 20% is just impossible because he always focuses on you |
| 22:17.35 | znf | but, seriously now, don't you have like an i7?! |
| 22:17.51 | znf | because it's not using anywhere near 100% on my i5 |
| 22:18.03 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: its a game, its designed to be the only app running at the time you run it, it can use everything it wants to for all i care, as long as the ingame performance is decent |
| 22:18.05 | Gnarfoz | hey, Wildstar also is terrible and gives you not-so-great fps from using all your resources :D |
| 22:18.11 | MysticalOS | no, it's not fine it uses that many resources, but that's not the complaint you started with. you are compalining about D3 causing overheating and loud fans. no. D3 is causing wasted performance. shit hardware is causing loud fans and overheating |
| 22:18.51 | Stanzilla | that's just the logical conclusion, that it overheats and therefore runs fans at 100% |
| 22:18.55 | MysticalOS | FYI though. cap fps in D3 goes a long way. my cpu barely runs hot in D3 |
| 22:18.57 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: unless you're a druid with the passive heal talent, it heals your dragon every 5 seconds :D |
| 22:19.00 | MysticalOS | and GPU, laughs at it |
| 22:19.10 | MysticalOS | D3 uses a lot less GPU than wow. but uses a LOT more cpu than wow |
| 22:19.32 | MysticalOS | well unless you have a crap GPU, then both will use all of it as the weak thing tries it's best to keep up |
| 22:19.33 | Gnarfoz | logical conclusion of what? it's entirely possible for a system to not be "loud" and "overheating" at 100% load |
| 22:20.04 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: read properly, I said the fans running at 100% speed is |
| 22:20.07 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/nYIN3CR.jpg |
| 22:20.07 | Gnarfoz | (also overheating would mean... well, actually"too high") |
| 22:20.08 | MysticalOS | you should see some of load i put system under. |
| 22:20.26 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I only read the last few lines, but: 100% fan speed at 100% load? get better fans. |
| 22:20.32 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: like i said earlier, if your GPU runs fans at 100%, then the GPU does in fact overheat, and no normal GPU would ever overheat like that even during stress testing, unless you OC, or your system lacks serious cooling |
| 22:20.37 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: read better, still not about my pc |
| 22:20.37 | MysticalOS | fans running at 100% speed means it's doing what it's supposed to stay cool. not that it's overheating |
| 22:20.47 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: stop being childish with your "read betteR" |
| 22:20.59 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: I actually built one of those pcs and cooling is fine |
| 22:21.10 | znf | if it's loud, then it's clearly not :D |
| 22:21.11 | nevcairiel | apparently not |
| 22:21.13 | MysticalOS | also how old is system? cause if you don't clean dust out of it or inspect that all fans are still spinning properly and not bottlenecked |
| 22:21.40 | Stanzilla | nah it was clean |
| 22:21.41 | MysticalOS | if you built PC, did you configure BIOS correctly to operate fans correctly? |
| 22:21.59 | Gnarfoz | I doubt nitpicking his system config is going to get you anywhere |
| 22:22.01 | Stanzilla | also like I said, any other game ran fine, put the system under good load but never made it overheat |
| 22:22.03 | MysticalOS | i actually usually set cpu fans to always be full speed. other fans to use temp sensors |
| 22:22.11 | Gnarfoz | obviously not under 100% load |
| 22:22.15 | MysticalOS | ^ |
| 22:22.33 | Stanzilla | yeah obviously |
| 22:22.33 | Gnarfoz | "good load" (very clearly) means that you consider something other than 100% good |
| 22:22.49 | Gnarfoz | so you have a system for which 100% is not good |
| 22:22.53 | Stanzilla | but if something liek crysis3 can't get it to 100% load, and d3 login screen can |
| 22:22.58 | Stanzilla | there is something wrong with d3 |
| 22:22.59 | Stanzilla | and not the pc |
| 22:23.06 | MysticalOS | there is osmething wrong with both |
| 22:23.06 | Gnarfoz | q.e.d. if it's loud/unstable/whatever at 100%, how is that the software's fault |
| 22:23.10 | MysticalOS | D3 for having a sucky engine |
| 22:23.13 | nevcairiel | nah, there is something wrong with crysis for not using all the resources it has available |
| 22:23.13 | MysticalOS | PC for sucking at cooling |
| 22:23.14 | Gnarfoz | nobody claimed d3 doesn't suck? |
| 22:23.25 | MysticalOS | that's what we're explaining |
| 22:23.46 | Stanzilla | we all here know that blizzard engines suck |
| 22:23.48 | Stanzilla | all of them |
| 22:23.51 | Stanzilla | that's not the point here |
| 22:23.54 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't mean you couldn't have a computer that still isn't loud even when D3 is making it use 100% resources for nothing |
| 22:23.57 | nevcairiel | all we're saying is that your system needs to be able to run properly at 100% load, if it doesn't, then your system is bad |
| 22:24.02 | nevcairiel | no matter how or why the load happens |
| 22:24.22 | nevcairiel | if you plan on gaming, its quite easily possible to hit 100% load |
| 22:24.29 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I only get him down to ~30% |
| 22:24.46 | Gnarfoz | maybe I should keep Execution Sentence for later, before he takes off, so he loses a bit more :| |
| 22:24.50 | Gnarfoz | but the drake does pitiful damage |
| 22:25.01 | nevcairiel | yeah especially on 25 it takes ages wit hthe drake |
| 22:25.08 | MysticalOS | you should try running skyrim with mods i have setup. i bet it kills your PC |
| 22:25.27 | nevcairiel | you need to stack the debuff up the wazoo, but with him focusing you all the time, its horribly annoying |
| 22:25.34 | MysticalOS | i have to allocate it like 8 gigs of ram just to keep it from crashing out from HD textures |
| 22:25.50 | MysticalOS | and that's done through a proxy app that extends the memory of 32 bit app |
| 22:26.10 | znf | so you're saying skyrim is badly coded? |
| 22:26.38 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i thought we clarified the other night though that 25 shouldnt have higher chances |
| 22:27.40 | znf | isn't there a malygos mount that drops in 10 and one in 25? |
| 22:27.45 | nevcairiel | no |
| 22:27.47 | nevcairiel | they changed that |
| 22:27.47 | Stanzilla | not anymore |
| 22:27.50 | nevcairiel | both drop in both |
| 22:28.04 | nevcairiel | you can in theory even have both in one loot |
| 22:28.08 | MysticalOS | i farmed 10 man for both |
| 22:28.12 | znf | cool |
| 22:28.21 | MysticalOS | i actually have 3 extra azure drakes |
| 22:28.24 | MysticalOS | in bags |
| 22:28.26 | MysticalOS | from working on blue one |
| 22:28.27 | MysticalOS | :) |
| 22:28.37 | znf | Stanzilla, right, now, I remember - FU with your click games. |
| 22:28.42 | MysticalOS | i kept them as souvenir |
| 22:30.14 | Stanzilla | you're welcome |
| 22:31.53 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that's what I get for trusting znf |
| 22:32.01 | znf | wat? |
| 22:32.02 | znf | :-/ |
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| 22:32.09 | nevcairiel | you should get much worse things for trusting znf |
| 22:32.16 | Gnarfoz | you said (Monday?) "if you can do 25, do 25" |
| 22:32.20 | Gnarfoz | (without further explanation) |
| 22:32.46 | Gnarfoz | or was that for Ony? (I kind of asked about all of them) |
| 22:33.09 | znf | I said for Ony |
| 22:33.10 | nevcairiel | that was ony |
| 22:33.18 | nevcairiel | but no idea if there is a difference there in drop chances |
| 22:33.24 | Gnarfoz | why, though |
| 22:34.05 | znf | because MAYBE it's better |
| 22:34.06 | znf | !!! |
| 22:34.07 | znf | :D |
| 22:34.12 | Gnarfoz | fuck that |
| 22:34.18 | nevcairiel | i do ony on 10m, 25 takes way long |
| 22:34.19 | Gnarfoz | well I can do ony25 just fine |
| 22:34.20 | znf | but yeah, I did say for ony |
| 22:34.27 | Gnarfoz | but malygos, ugh |
| 22:34.32 | Gnarfoz | kk |
| 22:34.40 | nevcairiel | i havent tried malygos 25, but i am a range, so it might work |
| 22:34.49 | nevcairiel | i get him to 1 hp first phase no problems whatsoever |
| 22:35.12 | nevcairiel | (in 10m that is) |
| 22:35.21 | znf | ony25 took me about ~2 minutes? |
| 22:35.45 | nevcairiel | i only have flex gear ok! |
| 22:36.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah, ony25 felt like "hm, did I actually switch to 25?" |
| 22:36.02 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 22:36.11 | nevcairiel | dps ramps way up when you go to heroic gear |
| 22:36.12 | znf | now, how to hacktivate this piece of shit phone? :( |
| 22:36.28 | Gnarfoz | google: iphone activation without sim card |
| 22:36.28 | nevcairiel | cut one of your existing sims into nano shape |
| 22:37.01 | znf | I don't have any to cut |
| 22:37.43 | Gnarfoz | I kind of feel bad for even winning the 4 items I won in the test raid |
| 22:37.44 | znf | I'm not cutting mine! |
| 22:37.53 | Gnarfoz | they're worse until I have enough VP to upgrade them |
| 22:37.57 | Gnarfoz | which kind of sucks :P |
| 22:38.16 | nevcairiel | how did that go anyway? did they like you? |
| 22:38.32 | Gnarfoz | went at least well, I think |
| 22:38.52 | nevcairiel | DPSers are so easily judged |
| 22:38.54 | Gnarfoz | don't know yet what their opinion is, or if they'll share before Monday (we're doing the rest, then) |
| 22:39.02 | nevcairiel | did he die? how was his dps? done! |
| 22:39.05 | Gnarfoz | sure, but we also brought a tank |
| 22:39.10 | Gnarfoz | and some healers! |
| 22:39.24 | Stanzilla | is nils still raiding? |
| 22:39.27 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 22:39.41 | Gnarfoz | I hate that they had another ret I'll have to be compared to |
| 22:39.47 | Gnarfoz | and his gear/stat compo is better than mine |
| 22:39.48 | nevcairiel | Last guild i joined, my test raid was LK HC, never even done normal LK before that day |
| 22:39.50 | nevcairiel | that was fun! |
| 22:39.52 | Gnarfoz | so he beat me on DPS |
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| 22:40.08 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I think this was their... first or 2nd 25 man raid anyway |
| 22:40.45 | Gnarfoz | so we basically just lollerskated through it going "same as in 10 man? yeah, pretty much" |
| 22:40.57 | Gnarfoz | actually found most of it easier than 10 man |
| 22:41.10 | nevcairiel | presumably having more people means less individual pressure |
| 22:41.12 | Gnarfoz | more people available to do stuffs |
| 22:41.29 | Gnarfoz | only fight where more people was a bit annoying so far was Dark Shaman |
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| 22:42.15 | znf | so, I think I'm really going to get into car diagnosing |
| 22:42.17 | nevcairiel | so i gather that new guild was 10m before? and with you they already had enough for 25 HC? thats a steep rampup |
| 22:42.29 | znf | I love playing around with the computer on a car |
| 22:42.30 | Gnarfoz | I'm actually not sure how that fits |
| 22:42.33 | znf | all sorts of fun stuff |
| 22:42.45 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/blackmoore/Entropic+Gravity/rating.tier16_25 |
| 22:42.59 | Gnarfoz | they clearly didn't do straight-up 25 man raiding before, at least not as a guild |
| 22:43.17 | Gnarfoz | they do have 14/14 10 man, though |
| 22:43.33 | Gnarfoz | (they were one of the guilds that were pretty much on our level for most of the time we still raided) |
| 22:44.19 | Stanzilla | are you not holoofoo anymore? |
| 22:44.24 | nevcairiel | i like their raid times, if they need another healer, lobby for a poor druid that has no MoP HC experience whatsoever :P |
| 22:44.31 | Gnarfoz | sure I am |
| 22:45.18 | Stanzilla | not in the guild then? |
| 22:45.29 | Gnarfoz | eh? |
| 22:45.30 | nevcairiel | he just had a test raid earlier today, pay attention! |
| 22:45.35 | Gnarfoz | read better! |
| 22:45.36 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 22:45.37 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:46.00 | Stanzilla | weeeeell some people like to transfer early! |
| 22:46.03 | Gnarfoz | just a test raid, one of our other players who wants to go on raiding in WoD organized it |
| 22:46.16 | Gnarfoz | that usually doesn't include guild leaders |
| 22:47.30 | Gnarfoz | anyway, atmosphere was pretty ok, hope they don't discount too many of us due to dps or whatever |
| 22:47.57 | nevcairiel | i assume you want to stay together, so it would suck if they try to start cherry-picking |
| 22:48.28 | Gnarfoz | we would, but I think we're a bit too many people for that to be realistic |
| 22:52.06 | Gnarfoz | perfect timing on the test raid, on the night before the guild turns 9 (which is: now! :D) |
| 22:52.27 | nevcairiel | so many years |
| 22:52.40 | Stanzilla | Guild: Schwingen des Phoenix |
| 22:52.40 | Stanzilla | Guild created 8-18-2005, 459 players, 162 accounts |
| 22:52.42 | Stanzilla | o.o |
| 22:52.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:53.03 | nevcairiel | one day older! |
| 22:53.09 | nevcairiel | eh, one month |
| 22:53.13 | nevcairiel | i cant read |
| 22:53.19 | Gnarfoz | ours is limited by server release |
| 22:53.27 | Gnarfoz | Das Syndikat wasn't a launch server |
| 22:53.41 | nevcairiel | it didnt reset when you moved? thats neat |
| 22:53.42 | Gnarfoz | (being rp-pvp) |
| 22:53.49 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I was surprised, too |
| 22:53.52 | Gnarfoz | Nils knew, of course |
| 22:53.57 | Gnarfoz | fucker >:P |
| 22:54.26 | Gnarfoz | or he just said so, because it's believable |
| 22:54.59 | nevcairiel | seems like a somewhat weird fact to just know |
| 22:55.50 | Gnarfoz | well, if you process these kinds of request & questions day in and day out |
| 22:55.57 | Gnarfoz | it's bound to come up |
| 22:56.12 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 22:57.19 | nevcairiel | anyhow, i should go sleep, the rewe guy is delivering new food in the morning |
| 22:57.36 | Gnarfoz | will 6.0 solve my lack of VP to upgrade my items problem? |
| 22:57.41 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 22:57.48 | Gnarfoz | just throw gold at it? |
| 22:57.51 | nevcairiel | no |
| 22:57.53 | nevcairiel | lesser charms |
| 22:58.03 | nevcairiel | (which you probably dont have either?) |
| 22:58.15 | Gnarfoz | 1423 |
| 22:58.18 | Gnarfoz | how many do I need? |
| 22:58.22 | nevcairiel | i forget |
| 22:58.24 | nevcairiel | lets check |
| 22:58.31 | Stanzilla | man, finding groups for the right celestial bosses |
| 22:58.35 | Stanzilla | still a pain in teh ass |
| 22:58.44 | Stanzilla | fuckers never read notes field |
| 22:58.49 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: its fucking annoying because they just invite you no matter your note |
| 22:58.50 | nevcairiel | ^that |
| 22:58.54 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 22:59.13 | Stanzilla | only 2 missing and I just got one of them |
| 22:59.37 | Gnarfoz | I guess I could do Anzu while I'm in Outland |
| 23:00.12 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: it was 50 charms per upgrade at one point, but they said the number isnt fixed yet |
| 23:00.21 | nevcairiel | 50 seems like a lot, tbh |
| 23:01.02 | Gnarfoz | (that'd be 200 per item, then) |
| 23:02.15 | nevcairiel | i have like 800 charms or so, well i guess 4 full upgrades isnt too bad |
| 23:02.26 | nevcairiel | it woul be 4000 valor otherwise |
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| 23:02.28 | Gnarfoz | which means I'd need 800 at least for the 4 items I got today, plus something like 600 for the 3 missing items I didn't have enough VP for to do, hmhm |
| 23:02.38 | Gnarfoz | but it's not tomorrow anyway, right... when is it? |
| 23:02.45 | Gnarfoz | and the squish is with 6.0 also? |
| 23:02.50 | nevcairiel | presumably 3 weeks or so |
| 23:02.52 | nevcairiel | and yes |
| 23:02.59 | Gnarfoz | I guess I could farm some LC just in case |
| 23:03.09 | Gnarfoz | still not exalted with Shaohao anyway |
| 23:03.16 | Gnarfoz | anyone still need rep there? :p |
| 23:03.18 | nevcairiel | i hate the f'ing island |
| 23:03.21 | nevcairiel | i do |
| 23:03.24 | nevcairiel | i have like, zero |
| 23:03.32 | nevcairiel | but: i hate the f'ing island |
| 23:03.38 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 23:03.39 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 23:03.45 | Stanzilla | found club mate in the fridge \o/ |
| 23:03.46 | Gnarfoz | do you have the cloak |
| 23:03.49 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 23:03.51 | Gnarfoz | k |
| 23:03.55 | Gnarfoz | we could farm some time, then |
| 23:04.07 | Gnarfoz | boring as hell but what are you gonna do |
| 23:04.28 | Stanzilla | I almost have a second toon at exalted because of fucking rare camping |
| 23:04.29 | Stanzilla | :< |
| 23:04.43 | nevcairiel | i'm a completionist though, so i would totally love finishing the rep, as its the only one in MoP i would probably otherwise never finish |
| 23:05.04 | Gnarfoz | I do have my completionist apsirations/tendencies, too, but fuck that island |
| 23:05.08 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 23:05.14 | Gnarfoz | way too much shit on there |
| 23:05.22 | Gnarfoz | I think I'm STILL missing some rares |
| 23:05.26 | Gnarfoz | never mind all the crazy items |
| 23:05.43 | nevcairiel | that reminds me that i need to run firelands for the raid rep, should do that after 6.0 s ome time |
| 23:06.14 | Gnarfoz | erm |
| 23:06.14 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 23:06.16 | Gnarfoz | what. |
| 23:06.19 | Gnarfoz | I think |
| 23:06.29 | Gnarfoz | I might have raided the entire night with the timeless isle teleport trinket. |
| 23:06.34 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:06.35 | Stanzilla | .. |
| 23:06.41 | Gnarfoz | fuck off equipment manager? |
| 23:06.43 | Gnarfoz | what the hell |
| 23:06.47 | Stanzilla | check logs :p |
| 23:07.02 | Gnarfoz | right, yeah, it has a proc |
| 23:07.49 | nevcairiel | also Stanzilla you really like this mate stuff? |
| 23:07.50 | Stanzilla | it does? I meant you could check if the one that was supposed to be in it's slot procced |
| 23:07.51 | Stanzilla | but yeah |
| 23:07.52 | Stanzilla | either way |
| 23:08.06 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: it's decent when it's cold |
| 23:08.08 | Stanzilla | otherwise meh |
| 23:08.11 | Stanzilla | tastes like hay |
| 23:08.12 | nevcairiel | i drink it on ccc events occasionally, but i never really get into it |
| 23:08.21 | nevcairiel | some people are totally crazy for it |
| 23:08.27 | Stanzilla | yeah I don't get that |
| 23:08.32 | Stanzilla | hipster hype |
| 23:09.08 | Gnarfoz | yeah ok, I have procs from both trinkets |
| 23:09.09 | nevcairiel | in related soft-drink topics, i should get some fritz cola again |
| 23:09.19 | Stanzilla | it's very refreshing when super cold |
| 23:09.34 | Gnarfoz | but why does the armory show the stupid teleport trinket, then? I used that before the raid... and relogged once before and once after the raid |
| 23:09.45 | nevcairiel | check ingame? |
| 23:09.48 | Stanzilla | armory is super bugged with merged realms |
| 23:10.11 | Gnarfoz | I'm not wearing it ingame, either ^^ |
| 23:10.22 | nevcairiel | then armory broke |
| 23:10.25 | Gnarfoz | LDB icon for broker_equip wouldn't match my set |
| 23:11.03 | Gnarfoz | I should probably recruit Stanzilla to help me rebuild my UI from scratch for 6.0, without all the FPS loss |
| 23:11.12 | Gnarfoz | it's a jumble anyway, really |
| 23:11.18 | Primer | but then he'd make you use PB4 |
| 23:11.21 | nevcairiel | i was wondering about trying to do that |
| 23:11.22 | Gnarfoz | ugh, righ |
| 23:11.22 | Stanzilla | I get asked to upload mine all the time |
| 23:11.27 | Stanzilla | but oh is it a mess of addons |
| 23:11.36 | nevcairiel | but i'm stuck in my ways, and even if i re-do it, it would end up very similar |
| 23:11.48 | Primer | I still love PB4, but I'm sure a LOT of CPU cycles are spent in that code |
| 23:11.53 | Gnarfoz | that's what I fear will happen when I just do it myself xD |
| 23:12.11 | Stanzilla | pb4 is not really that bad |
| 23:12.12 | Gnarfoz | well I don't even want to/need to change the general layout too much |
| 23:12.13 | nevcairiel | it doesnt feel like i really have a lot of stuff in my UI |
| 23:12.17 | nevcairiel | but the addon list is still very long |
| 23:12.17 | Gnarfoz | but UGH fps. |
| 23:12.24 | Gnarfoz | same nev |
| 23:12.48 | nevcairiel | i should f ilter out libs and stuff and see what really remains |
| 23:13.06 | Gnarfoz | saving the current addon set in ACP puts a nice "171" beside the set name |
| 23:13.40 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how accurate that is, probably quite a bit of stuff that's actually modules for an addon where the main addon is not enabled, and such stuff |
| 23:14.05 | Primer | Stanzilla: my problem is that I want to see EVERYTHING |
| 23:14.08 | Gnarfoz | (and modular addons) |
| 23:14.10 | Primer | so I have shit like mana bars in AV |
| 23:14.11 | Stanzilla | optionhouse has no number next to the profile, lazy mode engaged |
| 23:14.28 | Primer | I should probably have a more minimal 40 man profile |
| 23:14.45 | nevcairiel | if i break my UI down to it, there is only a handful of big addons, and a whole bag of tiny addons that offer miniscule functions |
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| 23:14.57 | Primer | right now CC reports that I have 102 addons |
| 23:14.58 | Stanzilla | Primer: when you raided competitive for a longer time, your UI will shrink down to the important parts |
| 23:15.01 | nevcairiel | but the last category shouldnt really impact anything either |
| 23:15.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah, armory must be asleep, still not updated now |
| 23:15.08 | Stanzilla | cant distract you from the boss |
| 23:15.15 | Primer | Stanzilla: heh, not entirely true |
| 23:15.31 | Stanzilla | only exception is when you raid lead, really |
| 23:15.36 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 23:15.43 | Gnarfoz | which is why I have a ton of shit |
| 23:15.44 | Gnarfoz | :F |
| 23:15.49 | nevcairiel | its true, there is such a thing as too much information |
| 23:15.52 | Gnarfoz | micromanage ALL the things |
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| 23:15.55 | nevcairiel | even if you dont r ealize it |
| 23:15.58 | Stanzilla | then your challenge is to build something that doesn't distract much but still gives you all the info you need |
| 23:16.13 | Stanzilla | like for example, our raid lead never had a addon that showed him battle rezzes |
| 23:16.16 | nevcairiel | my problem is, even if i dont raid-lead, i want to know whats going on everywhere |
| 23:16.18 | nevcairiel | so... |
| 23:16.28 | Gnarfoz | gotta get rid of that mindset, hehe |
| 23:16.30 | Stanzilla | and I was like dude, just install an addon instead of calling random rezes from people that have CD etc |
| 23:16.33 | Gnarfoz | or reduce as much as possible |
| 23:16.35 | nevcairiel | the real problem is, eventually someone figures that out, and makes me a lead again! |
| 23:16.36 | Stanzilla | took him a tier or so to realize |
| 23:16.52 | nevcairiel | that happened 3 times |
| 23:16.57 | nevcairiel | didnt want to lead, didnt apply to lead |
| 23:17.03 | nevcairiel | but was asked anyway, and couldnt say no :P |
| 23:17.16 | Gnarfoz | I thing the height of info available from my UI was in WotLK (which is also the last time the UI was "fully functional" as intended... I just patched it up again and again afterwards) |
| 23:17.26 | Stanzilla | I actually see *everything* in a raid, too. just not at a first glance |
| 23:17.29 | Gnarfoz | MagicTargets \o/ |
| 23:17.32 | Stanzilla | which is ok because I don't need to |
| 23:17.37 | nevcairiel | i think its part of what burned me out the last time, 5 days raiding + leading was just too much |
| 23:17.58 | Stanzilla | mana bars is actually a good example, Primer |
| 23:18.04 | Stanzilla | I only see them on mouseover |
| 23:18.24 | Gnarfoz | neat-ish |
| 23:18.30 | Stanzilla | no reason to see them all the time really |
| 23:18.51 | nevcairiel | on the topic of ui building, we should just do a UI-for-6.0 day and all consult each other on how to improve/clean it :p |
| 23:19.08 | Stanzilla | hah :D |
| 23:19.36 | Gnarfoz | that's going to be one looong fucking day. |
| 23:19.43 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 23:20.24 | Stanzilla | 6.0 will clean up the addon list quite a bit for me |
| 23:20.32 | nevcairiel | not that much for me |
| 23:20.42 | nevcairiel | i'll delete omnicc and maybe 2 or 3 others |
| 23:20.45 | nevcairiel | but what else would go |
| 23:21.20 | Neffi | nevcairiel: just curious: do you use RAID-F or tRAID |
| 23:21.25 | nevcairiel | f |
| 23:21.28 | Primer | Stanzilla: I've added lua code into PB4 to do things like remove the hp and mana texts over the bars when I enter combat, as they obscure the bars |
| 23:21.32 | Gnarfoz | haha, neffi too, now? |
| 23:21.40 | Neffi | what about me? |
| 23:21.43 | Gnarfoz | flexraid |
| 23:21.43 | Primer | but other than that, I show all the things I want to see. |
| 23:21.56 | Gnarfoz | I still haven't decided on which to use; didn't spend much time on it today, though |
| 23:22.04 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: Not doing a NAS build yet, but looking at flex vs un for a little bit down the line |
| 23:22.05 | Primer | Stanzilla: one thing I've had problems with in PB4 is showing boss-specific debuffs on the raid |
| 23:22.13 | Stanzilla | Primer: good, I can probably argue about every little thing in an UI :D |
| 23:22.21 | Neffi | Decided going with FreeNAS would be a bitch. Not being able to easily mix and match drives, hardware, etc |
| 23:22.28 | Stanzilla | yeah I don't use PB for raid frames anymore |
| 23:22.35 | Gnarfoz | flexraid for a nas build is, mhh. I guess you could just make it standalone |
| 23:22.35 | Stanzilla | it's just too much of a hassle to maintain a boss debuff list |
| 23:22.38 | nevcairiel | mixing drive sizes was the strongest selling point for flexraid for me |
| 23:23.10 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: what do you use instead? |
| 23:23.12 | Gnarfoz | although I have enough same-sized drives to straight up pair them (which is what I do now, 8 drives, 4x RAID 1), that was attractive to me as well |
| 23:23.14 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: Not looking to do anything fancy. Just be able to have a nice pool of storage for movies, and expand it at need |
| 23:23.15 | Stanzilla | grid2 atm |
| 23:23.24 | Gnarfoz | more importantly though: using drives with data on them |
| 23:23.38 | Primer | Stanzilla: I feel that people need to be aware of every member of the raid. For example, I had to show a tank how it was useful to have raid frames even while tanking. Raid member frame's hp bar goes red (default for aggro in PB4), you gotta get that aggro |
| 23:24.03 | Primer | Otherwise he's sitting there yelling "aggro" in mumble |
| 23:24.23 | Stanzilla | yeah that |
| 23:24.26 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: pretty much the same, except I'm not sure what to do about general documents, photos and such. (and programs that I don't want to squeeze onto my 128 GB SSD. Although buying a new one is planned.) |
| 23:24.28 | Primer | I've called out healers for being oom and not saying anything |
| 23:24.35 | nevcairiel | Primer: tanks and healer need more info, but dps'ers should usually chill a bit on the info side |
| 23:24.40 | Stanzilla | that's why I said, competetively |
| 23:24.49 | Stanzilla | you don't have that confused kind of people there |
| 23:24.54 | Primer | nevcairiel: "Warlock, brez the dead healer!" |
| 23:25.06 | Primer | nevcairiel: "Where is he?" |
| 23:25.12 | Neffi | I already have a 250 GB SSD and that's plenty for apps + a few games. I'd treat the NAS like I tread my D: partition already: movies/, pictures/, etc folders. Store it all like that |
| 23:25.17 | nevcairiel | Primer: obviously you still need frames, but you can make them smaller and in some corner |
| 23:25.24 | Primer | for me, it's this: /cast [@mouseover] Soulstone |
| 23:25.35 | Primer | which I have bound to F8 |
| 23:25.40 | Primer | actually, it's macro |
| 23:26.01 | nevcairiel | i dont think not using any frames is a good choice for anyone |
| 23:26.11 | Stanzilla | mouse up on raid frames for me, it's the most logical keybind ever :D |
| 23:26.16 | nevcairiel | but as dps you can be minimalistic about them |
| 23:26.18 | Primer | /cast [@mouseover] Soulstone\n/cast [@mouseover] Druid one\n/cast [@mouseover] DK one |
| 23:26.20 | Stanzilla | scrolling up to scrape a body from the floor :D |
| 23:27.00 | Primer | and I have that macro bound to F8 on my lock, druid, and DK |
| 23:27.02 | nevcairiel | Primer: character specific macros are hard? :p |
| 23:27.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah, don't need fine-grained debuff display on raid frames as dps |
| 23:27.14 | Primer | hrmm? Why waste a macro slot? |
| 23:27.20 | nevcairiel | its not wasted |
| 23:27.23 | Primer | When one can take care of all of them for all 3 classes? |
| 23:27.25 | nevcairiel | it just uses one slot on each char |
| 23:27.29 | Primer | uhh |
| 23:27.33 | Primer | you don't know how much I use macros |
| 23:27.34 | Stanzilla | I really had a hard time consolidating my diffrent grid profiles |
| 23:27.35 | nevcairiel | now you also use one slot |
| 23:27.39 | Primer | I have ZERO available slots on all toons |
| 23:27.44 | Stanzilla | especially with more than one heal toon |
| 23:27.56 | nevcairiel | also, for such simple macros, just use bartender to setup one bar for mouseover casting, and skip the macro |
| 23:28.06 | Gnarfoz | it's not like you need to bow to Blizzard's macro number/length restrictions |
| 23:28.07 | Primer | Stanzilla: all my toons use the exact same raid frames, always |
| 23:28.12 | Primer | regardless of role |
| 23:28.16 | Stanzilla | that is bad |
| 23:28.26 | Primer | negative |
| 23:28.34 | Primer | All provide everything I need to know |
| 23:28.46 | Primer | "Healer, why didn't you dispel the lock with BOSS DEBUFF"? |
| 23:28.49 | Stanzilla | not in the mood to argue that, really :p |
| 23:29.21 | Primer | no, please, argue |
| 23:29.22 | nevcairiel | Primer: like we said before, if you're a raid leader thats ok, but if you're just a normal raider, you shouldnt really care and focus on your own performance instead |
| 23:29.24 | Primer | I'm in the modd |
| 23:29.37 | Primer | nevcairiel: I am a raid leader |
| 23:29.40 | nevcairiel | well then! |
| 23:29.43 | Primer | which is why I want to know these things |
| 23:30.04 | Primer | Which is why I have a ready sample quote for wanting to know these things :) |
| 23:30.06 | nevcairiel | i dont have anything to argue then |
| 23:30.26 | Primer | "Tank, lock has aggro, do your fucking job" |
| 23:30.31 | nevcairiel | but many normal raiders also show way too much stuff, distracting them from their job |
| 23:30.40 | Primer | Agreed |
| 23:30.56 | Primer | I also lead RBGs as a lock, target calling and everything |
| 23:31.06 | Primer | "Priest healer needs peels" |
| 23:31.13 | Gnarfoz | surprise, wearing all these new items, even at the same upgrade level as the current ones: suddenly I have almost the same level of stats as that other paladin |
| 23:31.13 | Primer | "Rogue about to die" |
| 23:31.21 | nevcairiel | Anyhow, for your macro slot problems, if you have a lot which are really just @mouseover macros, investigate bartenders mouseover feature, it makes those kinds of macros unnecessary |
| 23:31.34 | Primer | nevcairiel: awesome, I will definitely do that |
| 23:31.48 | Primer | nevcairiel: but I understand that WoD will have many more macro slots available |
| 23:31.53 | Stanzilla | boss relevant debuffs you want to see when you can do something about them (i.e. dispel) or raid lead, nothing to argue there. it's mostly about other stuff |
| 23:31.56 | nevcairiel | i think i heard something like this, yes |
| 23:31.59 | Stanzilla | like mana bars again |
| 23:32.06 | Primer | I don't like switching to new addons if I can avoid it |
| 23:32.11 | Gnarfoz | sounds like you micromanage too much, though; some of those things you said will happen regardless of if you notice them shortly before they do |
| 23:32.12 | Primer | I've been using Dominos for a long time |
| 23:32.23 | Gnarfoz | reaction time + communication time + reaction time on the other side is fucking long |
| 23:32.41 | Primer | Gnarfoz: it's not micromanaging if you're calling out when people don't do their jobs |
| 23:32.53 | Gnarfoz | it's not helpful mid-fight, either |
| 23:33.05 | Primer | I'm totally quiet if people are doing their jobs |
| 23:33.17 | Primer | There's always the post-mortem |
| 23:33.29 | Gnarfoz | "rogue about to die" is not going to keep him alive |
| 23:33.31 | Gnarfoz | he'll die |
| 23:33.36 | Gnarfoz | unless it wasn't critical to begin with |
| 23:33.36 | Primer | "I noticed that the lock died to the BIG BAD BOSS DEBUFF" |
| 23:33.53 | Primer | "Healer priest, aren't you in charge of dispelling group 2?" |
| 23:33.53 | Stanzilla | we use logs for that |
| 23:34.04 | Stanzilla | and an addon that posts the reason of death for every death in chat |
| 23:34.05 | Primer | Gnarfoz: it does in an RBG |
| 23:34.08 | Gnarfoz | RBG? |
| 23:34.11 | Gnarfoz | "raid lead" |
| 23:34.14 | Primer | oh boy |
| 23:34.24 | Primer | Just because you don't PVP doesn't mean others don't |
| 23:34.32 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: Raid Battle Ground obviously |
| 23:34.35 | Gnarfoz | sure, but I think nobody here was thinking of PVP. |
| 23:34.40 | Primer | I was |
| 23:34.42 | Gnarfoz | I was not confused about what RBG is |
| 23:34.58 | Primer | It's still a person in a leadership position |
| 23:35.01 | nevcairiel | i tried to make a joke :/ |
| 23:35.05 | Primer | Not sure why you're differentiating |
| 23:35.15 | Primer | nevcairiel: yes, I liked your joke :) |
| 23:35.17 | Gnarfoz | because you don't do combatlog analysis after a "boss try" in pvp? |
| 23:35.31 | nevcairiel | seems kinda hard to do there |
| 23:35.35 | Gnarfoz | which is when we (and apparently Stanzilla) do this stuff |
| 23:35.36 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 23:35.38 | Stanzilla | what I was saying is that if you have a UI that is good at displaying all you need to know in a lot of situations, it most definately is also displaying too much in most of them |
| 23:35.46 | Gnarfoz | so: it matters because it changes the requirements a lot |
| 23:35.54 | nevcairiel | in any case, mentioning "BIG BAD BOSS DEBUFF" doesn't scream PVP to me, so some confusion is expected :D |
| 23:36.00 | Primer | Gnarfoz: combat logs are not as useful in RBG post-mortems (i.e. a loss). Doesn't mean we don't discuss why we lost. |
| 23:36.13 | Primer | nevcairiel: I will grant you that |
| 23:36.15 | Gnarfoz | I didn't claim otherwise |
| 23:36.36 | Primer | All I'm saying is that the information I see from my raid frames help me in both raid and RBGs |
| 23:36.39 | Stanzilla | cloak done \o/ now I just need to get the spec I got the cloak for lol |
| 23:37.32 | Stanzilla | wtb tripplespec |
| 23:37.34 | Primer | Some might argue that the information is overkill. I contend that the information is exactly what I need to see for real time assessments in both raids and RBGs, as well as dealing with post-mortems. |
| 23:37.37 | nevcairiel | 7 chars with cloaks is just crazy |
| 23:37.44 | nevcairiel | also yes, tripplespec would be fun |
| 23:37.49 | Gnarfoz | you're probably used to doing it that way; I know I don't want to spend time watching who dispels what when during a fight. I also play with people who do that stuff on their own. If we actually have a problem (like people dying early because of debuff), high debuff uptime will show up in the logs anyway |
| 23:37.51 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: we recently had a buyer in the raid that has 14 |
| 23:37.55 | Stanzilla | it was an old lady |
| 23:38.03 | znf | she be bored |
| 23:38.03 | Gnarfoz | (and "logs" doesn't mean you can't do it after each wipe these days, either) |
| 23:38.06 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: people that buy stuff like this are crazy as it is |
| 23:38.08 | Stanzilla | she said that's just what she does |
| 23:38.10 | Stanzilla | LFR all day or so |
| 23:38.32 | Gnarfoz | there's worse things to spend your time on, to be sure |
| 23:38.48 | nevcairiel | hrm, didn't i want to sleep like an hour ago |
| 23:38.56 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 23:38.58 | Gnarfoz | can't be. |
| 23:39.01 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:39.18 | Gnarfoz | I also put on my sleep shirt and brushed my teeth... then sat back down here instead of going to bed |
| 23:39.21 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 23:39.24 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 23:39.26 | Gnarfoz | ALMOST made it. |
| 23:39.34 | Gnarfoz | the will was there... for 2 minutes or so |
| 23:39.41 | nevcairiel | i came home from the cinema and figured, might as well see whats going on |
| 23:39.53 | nevcairiel | an hour later i thought i should go sleep |
| 23:39.57 | nevcairiel | an hour later is now |
| 23:40.07 | nevcairiel | s/an/another/ |
| 23:40.14 | Gnarfoz | I finished raid + malygos and went to take out my contacts and thought "could actually go to bed now if you don't start obsessing about flexraid/keyboards/something now" |
| 23:40.17 | Stanzilla | the internet is way too interesting to waste time with sleep! |
| 23:40.25 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: +1 |
| 23:40.48 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I shall go see GotG in IMAX 3D \o/ |
| 23:40.53 | Gnarfoz | just need to figure out when |
| 23:41.08 | nevcairiel | we dont have an IMAX in the city |
| 23:41.15 | Gnarfoz | there's just two of them in Germany anyway |
| 23:41.27 | nevcairiel | really? would've thought it would be more |
| 23:41.37 | Stanzilla | I wanted to see the new xmen in the cinema, then there was a bluray release yesterday |
| 23:41.38 | Stanzilla | .. |
| 23:41.43 | Gnarfoz | actual IMAX ones, I guess more of them do the "imax digital" thing |
| 23:41.44 | nevcairiel | slow Stanzilla |
| 23:41.45 | Stanzilla | guess I missed that opportunity |
| 23:41.48 | Gnarfoz | which is basically just 2k projection |
| 23:42.01 | znf | I'm impressed by BMW cars. There's all these modules that you can enable (like cornering lights) directly in the software! |
| 23:42.04 | znf | Damn german engineers! |
| 23:42.08 | znf | Much smart, very wow |
| 23:42.09 | nevcairiel | IMAX-Kinos in Deutschland gibt es in Berlin (CineStar IMAX), Karlsruhe (Filmpalast am ZKM), Brühl (Simulatoren im Phantasialand) sowie in den Technikmuseen Sinsheim (IMAX 3D) und Speyer (Dome). |
| 23:42.11 | nevcairiel | wikipedia ^ |
| 23:42.19 | Primer | jawohl! |
| 23:42.24 | Gnarfoz | but the latter 3 don't count |
| 23:42.27 | Gnarfoz | they don't show movies |
| 23:42.35 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 23:43.03 | Gnarfoz | (I think imax.com doesn't actually list them? no idea... I was aware of the Technikmuseum ones in any case, awesome place) |
| 23:43.26 | Gnarfoz | where else can you see (and walk into!) both a Concorde and a Tu114 |
| 23:43.28 | nevcairiel | i've only once been in an imax, and that was in sydney |
| 23:43.31 | Gnarfoz | (or whatever the number of it is) |
| 23:43.45 | Gnarfoz | also, Russian Space Shuttle! |
| 23:43.51 | Primer | Has anyone tackled the WatchFrame changes in WoD yet? |
| 23:44.09 | nevcairiel | Primer: depends what you want to do with it? |
| 23:44.19 | nevcairiel | watchframe itself is completely gone |
| 23:44.24 | nevcairiel | it was replaced by something new |
| 23:44.33 | nevcairiel | i did some small things with it |
| 23:44.43 | Gnarfoz | dem showtimes, derp |
| 23:45.05 | Gnarfoz | wed/mon is 19:30, which, this week, is precisely where the test raid is |
| 23:45.10 | Gnarfoz | (and would be in the future, too) |
| 23:45.24 | Gnarfoz | Fri/Tue is 16:45, can't make that because work |
| 23:45.37 | Gnarfoz | which leaves Thu/Sun at 22:15 >_> |
| 23:45.40 | Gnarfoz | no show on Sat |
| 23:45.50 | Primer | nevcairiel: I need to track current quests |
| 23:46.04 | nevcairiel | why not ask the quest api |
| 23:46.08 | Primer | nevcairiel: basically the thing that's showing as the "next thing to do" on the map |
| 23:46.19 | Gnarfoz | well, it's a lot of showings already, considering it's IMAX 3D OV, which probably doesn't draw THAT many people. :p |
| 23:46.24 | nevcairiel | watchframe depends on quests being watched, independent of the map |
| 23:46.37 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: sounds neat to me! |
| 23:46.54 | Gnarfoz | I definitely should go, now that I do have contacts :D |
| 23:47.13 | Gnarfoz | could put them in later in the day, hmmm |
| 23:47.23 | Primer | nevcairiel: My goal is to make the location of the top-most quest in the quest watcher show up in my addon's HUD |
| 23:47.24 | nevcairiel | GotG is a awesome movie, too |
| 23:47.32 | Gnarfoz | (they're usually intended for 12 hours wear, which I'd easily exceed if I put them in at home) |
| 23:47.42 | nevcairiel | Primer: well can still ask the same API that the tracker uses to get its list |
| 23:47.53 | nevcairiel | better than messing with the UI parts of it |
| 23:48.30 | Gnarfoz | woah, that's a bit dumb |
| 23:48.36 | Gnarfoz | can't reserve for imax |
| 23:48.44 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 23:48.49 | Gnarfoz | can only straight up buy them, but you need some kind of card for it |
| 23:48.53 | Gnarfoz | which... I don't have |
| 23:48.54 | Primer | nevcairiel: but is that new? I'm just wondering if I was doing it incorrectly this entire time |
| 23:48.59 | nevcairiel | not sure |
| 23:49.30 | Gnarfoz | and the card is one you can put money on apparently? at least that's how it reads |
| 23:49.42 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: "Wenn Sie keine Kundenkarte besitzen, können Sie Karten für die gewünschte Vorstellung online reservieren." |
| 23:49.47 | nevcairiel | is it lying?!? |
| 23:49.48 | Gnarfoz | which basically all adds up to "we don't want to deal with a payment processor on our website" |
| 23:49.54 | Gnarfoz | X®-Vorstellungen |
| 23:49.55 | Gnarfoz | Für IMAX®-Vorstellungen sind leider keine Reservierungen möglich! Sie können die Karten nur direkt an der Kasse oder im Internet mit der Kundenkarte kaufen. |
| 23:50.22 | nevcairiel | oh i shouldnt stop reading after the information i was hoping for |
| 23:50.30 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 23:50.51 | nevcairiel | i dont suppose you can just walk to the counter and get the tickets |
| 23:50.51 | Gnarfoz | doesn't say anything, hoping that'll give the impression that he would NEVER do such a thing |
| 23:50.56 | Gnarfoz | sure I can |
| 23:51.05 | nevcairiel | i mean, its not too far out to do that |
| 23:51.08 | Gnarfoz | but I don't live in Karlsruhe |
| 23:51.16 | Gnarfoz | I'd have to go there and then go there again :D |
| 23:51.42 | nevcairiel | yeah not being able to reserve seems like some sucky marketing thing |
| 23:51.46 | Gnarfoz | I guess I could ask some colleague who lives in Karlsruhe to pick them up for me, but it's a bit late for that if I want to go tomorrow :D |
| 23:51.53 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 23:52.18 | Gnarfoz | I'll just go to Karlsruhe after work and Ingress my way around until it's time |
| 23:52.23 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 23:53.01 | Gnarfoz | I could make an excuse to cart the new vmware servers over there |
| 23:53.20 | nevcairiel | your DC in karlsruhe? |
| 23:53.22 | Gnarfoz | actually I couldn't (or it'd be dumb), still waiting for the 10G cards |
| 23:53.31 | Gnarfoz | yeah, the new one is in Karlsruhe |
| 23:56.13 | Stanzilla | how the fuck do I enchant a weapon imbue on a different weapon |
| 23:56.17 | Stanzilla | it all casts on the mainhand |
| 23:56.56 | nevcairiel | shaman? |
| 23:57.01 | Stanzilla | yeh |
| 23:57.12 | Stanzilla | guess I need to click the enchants off |
| 23:57.16 | Stanzilla | and the nstart in the correct order |
| 23:59.32 | nevcairiel | shaman is one of the classes i've always wanted to play, but never really got around to |
