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11:03.59GnarfozPhixion: g'day mate
11:13.44Gnarfoznevcairiel: so apparently, these few filters make the pool rather shallow
11:13.50Gnarfoznevcairiel: http://i.imgur.com/26qTQNB.png
11:14.25nevcairielusing diagonale und breite seems  odd
11:17.09Gnarfozone is from the other is up to?
11:17.34GnarfozI'm constrained by width, not diagonale per sé
11:18.16nevcairielall the interesting technical filter categories are sadly not very accurate
11:18.20nevcairielmost of them are unknown
11:18.43Gnarfoz(although I could move that one cabinet... but I don't really want to, every other place in the room would be... odd)
11:18.51Gnarfozgah quasselweb not scrolling down
11:19.08GnarfozI wonder how he can leave that so broken
11:19.17nevcairielusually: works for him
11:19.17nevcairiel:D
11:19.51Kalrothits open sores, you can fix it!!
11:20.25Gnarfozyou are open sores
11:20.32Gnarfozand I guess I'll make a ticket :p
11:22.34Gnarfozweirdly enough, there's not that many 1080p 48" ones that are cheaper than that one 2160p Samsung
11:22.40nevcairielman going above 55" sure bumps up the price quickly
11:22.52Gnarfozeven 50" thins out the herd quite a bit
11:23.14GnarfozI think I'm going to stick with 48", as that juuust fits, when moving the cabinets apart a bit :D
11:23.38Gnarfozcurrently trialing that positioning, to see if I'll stupidly run into them all the time :p
11:24.00Gnarfoz(there's a reason you leave a bit of room at door frames)
11:24.27nevcairielinterestingly all the quantum dot tvs dont do 3D
11:24.38GnarfozI moved the left one so it just touches the light switch and the other one so it's a bit closer to the kitchen door
11:24.40nevcairielnot that I care, but the tech must be somehow conflicting
11:25.20nevcairielor well, at least samsungs quantum dots
11:25.23nevcairielsony seems to do both
11:26.04Gnarfozthat's unlikely, it's just a different kind of color filter? Samsung just has really few 3D models for some reason
11:26.13Gnarfozdang time to make that ticket
11:26.22nevcairielif i were to buy a 4k tv today, i would probably go for UE60JU6850, or the 55 model of it if i wanted to save money
11:27.22Megalon:o
11:27.23GnarfozI feel kind of dumb buying a 4K TV a) that's 48" and b) I'll sit a mere 2.5 m from
11:27.37nevcairielmove closer :)
11:27.37Gnarfozbut the 1080p ones really don't convince me at all, either
11:29.51Gnarfozmost of them have older OSes or just none specified at all
11:29.58nevcairielit appears samsung uses low-refreshrate panels which top out at 50/60Hz, which is why they dont do 3D
11:30.23nevcairielyou need twice that for proper 3D
11:30.31Kalrothjust buy two screens
11:32.02Megalon^
11:34.22Gnarfoznevcairiel: yeah, that's what I read a couple of times, too
11:34.35Gnarfoznot that I could feed it 4k60 anyway with my 780
11:34.47Gnarfoz(that's another problem that's upcoming... cabling)
11:34.49nevcairiel60 works fine, just anything above that doesnt
11:34.58nevcairielbut higher might be better future proofing
11:36.06Gnarfozyou mean on the TV side?
11:36.09nevcairielyes
11:36.15Gnarfozwell, yeah
11:36.34Gnarfoz:s before buying anything, I'd really like to find a 1080p model I like
11:36.43Gnarfozso far I've only managed to find a 4K one I like :D
11:37.05Gnarfozhttps://geizhals.de/samsung-ue48ju6470-a1244072.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu
11:37.37nevcairielin that price range its probably pretty good
11:37.49nevcairielmind you my 1080p tv cost more than that back in the day
11:38.02Gnarfozvery, for some reason it even beats its lower-spec cousin (6450)
11:38.21Gnarfozhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PEEenRKlY-plvXW9BfXrJ0ymRb5-haUS9JrX_TRwNJs/edit?usp=sharing
11:38.21nevcairielarent such minimal number differences just different countries or something
11:38.41Kalrothregions, yeah
11:38.52Gnarfoznah, see table
11:39.09Kalrothnordic countries, german & bavaria, etc.
11:39.14Kalroth+y
11:39.17nevcairielSCART seems to be a german thing mostly, so a TV designed for another region may simply not have it :D
11:39.26Gnarfozalthough: that particular model only exists on Samsungs Austrian website, I blame Megalon
11:39.44Kalrothpretty sure SCART has been dead here in Denmark for a while .. unless we buy TVs in Aldi .. :P
11:39.49nevcairiel.. which seems to be the only difference between 6470 and 6450
11:40.04Gnarfozit has a headphone out~
11:40.08Kalroth:D
11:40.30Gnarfozpower figures are the same as the 6450 btw, I just didn't populate that after going to Samsung's website
11:40.43Megalonjacks up Gnarfoz to Fisker using SCART
11:40.45Gnarfozbut the real question remains: why is the 6450 more expensive than the 6470
11:40.55Kalrothhttp://www.samsung.com/uk/support/skp/faq/1052003
11:40.58nevcairielaustrians dont have that much money
11:40.58Gnarfozmarket forces at work, I guess
11:40.59Megalonlet the danish run wild inside you, *foz
11:41.16GnarfozKalroth: yeah, but - all of them are "Europe" models
11:41.23KalrothGnarfoz, and we're in europe!!
11:41.26Kalrothhooooray
11:41.36Gnarfozthe "manufacturing info" is totally opaque, but I think that's really the one indicating market
11:41.42nevcairielthere is different models for different EU regions
11:41.47Gnarfozall models at Media Markt are XZG for example
11:41.49Kalrothyup
11:42.03nevcairielfor example the 6850 is germany, and 6870 is austria
11:42.06Kalroththe latter 3 digits are usually local regions
11:42.08nevcairielfrom the model i liked earlier
11:42.20Kalroth6000 series, 850-870 regions
11:42.28nevcairielmore like the last two
11:42.32Gnarfozwell, in that case, thanks Austria for a cheaper model
11:42.33nevcairielthe 8 is still part of the model
11:43.05Megalononly good things coming out of austria, yay!
11:43.21Gnarfozhistory supports your statement
11:43.24Gnarfozclearly
11:43.25KalrothMegalon, only good things and only bad people
11:43.35Megalonno bad people
11:43.42Megalonwe export those to germany before the get anything going here
11:43.44Kalrothname me just one good austrian person!
11:43.45Phixion:o
11:43.46Kalrothoh
11:43.47GnarfozMozart wasn't so bad?
11:43.54Megalonbeethoven!
11:43.56Megalon>:D
11:43.56Kalrothi hate classic music!!
11:44.01Phixionbeathoven
11:44.04Phixion(:
11:44.07Megalonbeathooven
11:44.09GnarfozBeethoven? you're mad
11:44.13Megalonthe sartyr dj
11:44.15Gnarfozhe's from Germany :(
11:44.24Gnarfozwas, whatever
11:44.34Fiskerhey Gnarfoz
11:44.34Fiskere
11:44.34Fiskery
11:44.41Gnarfozyes, very 3d of you, Fisker
11:45.09nevcairielthats the common misconceptions from people tha tdont know any better .. hitler is austrian, and not german, and beethoven is german, and not austrian :p
11:45.17Kalrothhaha
11:45.49Megalonnev foiled my plan
11:45.50Gnarfoznot too long before that whole business, "German" was a rather wide term, too
11:46.00FiskerI knew hitler was Austrian nevcairiel
11:46.14KalrothJosef Madersperger, invented the sewing machine in 1818
11:46.24KalrothEduard Haas, inventor of the Pez candy
11:46.32Kalrothaustria is a productive country!
11:46.58Megalonwe invented the turbojet
11:47.00Megalonso fuck off :P
11:47.21Kalroth:D
11:47.21Megalonand basically everything that involved drilling a hole through a mountain
11:47.23Megalonhaha
11:47.47MegalonAuer von Welsbach, inventor of gaslight
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11:47.56Megalonoh now i know why we have a auer von welsbach straße
11:48.33Kalrothdont promote austria too much though, or merkel will think it's anschluss time again
11:48.54Kalrothneed room for all the refugees
11:49.38Megaloni heard you can rent liechtenstein
11:49.48Megalonwhy not do that and let them set up camp there
11:49.52Kalrothgreat for birthday parties
11:50.07Megalonalso, list of austrians on wikipedia lists a guy inventing lithography
11:50.18Megalonand on the guys page: "... invented in 1796 by German ..."
11:50.38Megalonpreposterous!
11:50.41Kalrothhaha
11:54.37Gnarfozenwiki being enwiki
11:54.41Gnarfozat least they have a page
11:55.01Gnarfozdewiki would either bunch it up in some broader article or just delete it for lack of "encyclopedic relevancy"
11:55.31Gnarfozsooo before I go have lunch suspiciously close to Media Markt, I should find a 1080p model :P
11:56.13Gnarfozthey do have this one https://geizhals.de/samsung-ue48ju6050-a1294855.html? but I'd really like to avoid anything with the "two prong" style stand
11:56.27Gnarfozbecause I'm planning on placing it on a TV bench that's smaller than the actual TV ^^
11:57.15Kalrothbuy a bigger bench while you're at it
11:57.27Kalroththose feet look silly tho
11:57.47GnarfozI'm already running out of room as it is
11:58.42Gnarfozthe real solution would of course be to look for a bigger flat again, to end this "5 ¹/₂ year provisional flat" thing :p
11:59.01Gnarfoz(I wonder if my layout has the real 1/2 fraction somewhere...)
11:59.58Gnarfozbut the housing market is really empty here, and has been for the last few years
12:00.20nevcairieli've been putting off looking for a new flat as well
12:00.24nevcairielI would like to buy one
12:00.26Gnarfozand I'm loathe to dig through the newspaper small ads, no pictures :(
12:00.28nevcairielbut thats insane right now
12:00.59nevcairiel.. and renting is annoying, especially right now, the landlords often dont like self-employed people :(
12:01.01Gnarfozthat was recommended to me, too, to use my Bausparvertrag as collateral to get a loan and buy a flat
12:01.06MegalonI got a flat for you *foz, it's in my basement
12:01.08Megalon( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
12:01.16GnarfozMegalon: sure thing, does it have fast interwebs
12:02.36Megalonhttp://www.speedtest.net/result/4662353078.png
12:02.51Megalon:c
12:03.22Kalrothhaha, dialup users
12:03.44Megalonyea, can't get more than 30mbit
12:04.16Kalrothi'm getting fiber in a month or so \o/
12:06.42nevcairielI keep bumping my upper limit on flats I might consider buying, but it doesnt really increase the number of places available
12:06.49nevcairiela lot of them are just far too expensive to even consider
12:07.12winkno shit
12:08.30Fiskerhttp://www.speedtest.net/result/4651070154.png <-sometimes fast internet
12:09.14Gnarfoznevcairiel: that's Hamburg for you
12:09.40GnarfozFisker: what the shit
12:10.00Fiskerwhat?
12:12.21Gnarfozwhat kind of interwebs is that
12:12.35Gnarfozupload seems a bit too fat for it to be Cable
12:12.51Gnarfozbut if it's fiber, upload seems thin ;|
12:13.03Gnarfozand VDSL isn't quite there, yet
12:24.56FiskerIt's cable Gnarfoz
12:25.01Fiskercable boys
12:26.06Gnarfozyour cable providers must be very generous if they allocate you that much upstream
12:26.18Gnarfoz(hence: sometimes fast)
12:30.48nebulathat's pretty common here in the us with cable, once you get over 100mbit, upload is typically 50ish
12:33.14Gnarfozsmells like overselling to me, upstream is cable's bottleneck
12:33.31Gnarfoz(apart from the general shared capacity problem)
12:40.32nebulai mean, it's only the upper tier stuff, everyone else sits around 5-10
12:41.48znfDOCSIS 3.1 does up to 1Gbit/s upstream
12:42.15znfbut DOCSIS3 can handle what Fisker linked
12:42.21znfdepends on how many channels do they use ^^
12:43.01Fisker4 upstream channels it appears
12:43.18znfalso it's starting to be common for cable providers to deploy CMTS in neighbourhoods
12:43.48znf(similar to local DSLAMs)
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14:02.24Gnarfozcleraly, but that means €€€
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14:03.08Gnarfozand at least our Cable companies are very stingy about giving you more channels than strictly necessary
14:03.55Kalrothznf, yup, i got 300/40mbit with docsis3 right now
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14:18.10Gnarfozhighest on offer in my area is 200/20
14:21.39Gnarfozwhoa google photos
14:23.08Gnarfoznot bad at all http://i.imgur.com/zryYFwI.png
14:23.09nevcairieli can only get 200/12 on cable :(
14:23.28Gnarfoz(I was looking for the one at middle right)
14:23.38nevcairielbut KDG has a traffic cap now
14:23.51nevcairielAb einem Gesamtdatenvolumen von mehr als 10 GB pro Tag wird die Übertragungsgeschwindigkeit nur für Filesharing-Anwendungen und nur bis zum Ablauf desselben Tages auf 100 Kbit/s begrenzt.
14:23.54nevcairielgo f' yourself
14:24.02Megalonlol
14:24.25nevcairieloh and a 1000 GB overall monthly volume, after which you get throttled to 10mbit
14:25.06Megalonit's like those LTE contracts with a 1-3gb cap
14:25.20Funkeh`hardly :P
14:25.33Megalonliterally the same!
14:25.37nevcairielinterestingly, the 100mbit contract lacks the 1000gb limit, but still has the same daily limit
14:26.06Semlarthrottles nevcairiel
14:26.20nevcairielno way, i have completely unthrottled DSL!
14:26.58znfWhere is Stanzilla
14:27.22znfAnd why are Google Play services being such dicks in my battery?
14:28.18silentiumdoes any traffic count towards that 10 GB limit, or only "file sharing applications"? (whatever they mean with that classification)
14:28.24Fiskermorning Ressy
14:28.31Gnarfozznf: because they are what enables all those fancy push thingies
14:28.34nevcairielsilentium: any, apparently
14:28.37FiskerGnarfoz work pays mine :D
14:28.47GnarfozFisker: nice of work
14:29.11znfGnarfoz: I'm not sure how that translates to 10% of my battery!
14:29.21nevcairieltoo many apps with push functions
14:29.21nevcairiel:D
14:29.32znf11% actually
14:29.39silentiumnevcairiel: so you better start the day downloading 10 GB via "file sharing applications" and then only use other traffic-generating services for the rest of the day, instead of the other way round :)
14:29.49Gnarfozznf: bad reception, possibly, making it wake up more often than it needs to?
14:29.59nevcairieleven better: stick to DSL :)
14:30.00silentium10 GB over a 100 MBit/s connection only takes 13 minutes anyway
14:30.15znfGnarfoz: I'm mostly on WiFi though
14:30.20Gnarfozwell :|
14:30.28znfIt does some weird things with the location
14:30.33Gnarfoznevcairiel: shame it's at its limit for the moment, though
14:30.35znfMy wake locks are weird as fuck
14:30.46Gnarfozgo to a hairdresser, get those locks straightened out
14:31.13nevcairielGnarfoz: 100/40 would be fine for me, but those damn idiots keep protesting that telekom cnanot upgrade their boxes to vectoring
14:31.18GnarfozCable can just go bundle up more channels per user to sell bigger numbers (and then nobody gets those speeds because shared medium)
14:31.24nevcairielway to protect the consumers .. protect me from more speed..great
14:31.25znfhttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WMluErpV/Screenshot_2015-09-14-17-30-56.png
14:31.26Gnarfoznevcairiel: huh? :o
14:31.33Gnarfoznevcairiel: I somehow thought you had vectoring
14:31.37nevcairieli dont
14:31.39znfhttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Y0BOEVYv/Screenshot_2015-09-14-17-30-47.png
14:31.41nevcairieli live in a big city
14:31.47nevcairielno vectoring in big cities
14:31.49Gnarfozznf: what the hell is that app, wtb BBS
14:32.03znfGnarfoz: Amplify
14:32.09nevcairielbecause other idiot providers keep complaining that telekom wants to steal back their customers
14:32.12znfBBS?
14:32.16Gnarfozbetterbatterystats
14:32.35GnarfozI guess it needs root to be good, though
14:32.42Gnarfoznevcairiel: that's... tinfoil time?
14:32.50nevcairielwell its kind of true
14:32.57nevcairielvectoring means telekom cannot share the lines anymore
14:33.00Gnarfoznevcairiel: why don't they just claim the DSLAMs for themselves, I thought that's how it was supposed to work
14:33.13Gnarfozthey just sell bitstream access vs. own-equipment access
14:33.14nevcairielanyway, just the most recent article http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/VDSL-Beschleuniger-Vectoring-Wettbewerber-fordern-Minister-Machtwort-gegen-Telekom-Deal-2807505.html
14:33.16Gnarfozprobably at higher prices
14:33.30nevcairielthe argument in that article mostly applies to big cities
14:33.37Gnarfozmeh
14:33.42Gnarfozthat article is about HVTs
14:33.50Gnarfozare you in range of one of those?
14:34.05Gnarfozor are you fed by an outdoor DSLAM
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14:34.07nevcairieli could look a bit further back for the others =p
14:34.16nevcairielbut they keep coming  up and up
14:34.42Gnarfozthat's the only part I was aware of, DTAG so far not offering vectoring from their HVTs because that's where their competition has their own equipment
14:34.56Gnarfozin the outdoor DSLAMs the competition doesn't have equipment anyway
14:35.41nevcairiellatest news I read was that vectoring isnt coming to the big cities before 2016
14:36.16Gnarfozwell, if it means using the HVTs, that has to be decided first, I guess
14:37.00nevcairieli think there is a normal dslam here, but they may not want to create such a spotty upgrade map if they cant upgrade millions of people that live near a HVT
14:37.38znfGnarfoz: installed. Thanks
14:40.39Gnarfoznevcairiel: well, areas that already have access to VDSL are probably not that high on their priority list, I guess
14:41.03Gnarfozwhich means the HVT thing is probably just to fuck the others over, as the others are alleging :D
14:41.49nevcairieleven things low on priority want to get upgraded eventually!
14:42.23Gnarfozsure
14:43.02Gnarfozevery time I see Kabel Deutsch^W^W Vodafone advertising their "Kabel-Glasfasernetz" I throw up a little in my mouth
14:44.26Gnarfozoh hey, that was quick
14:44.28nevcairielits still silly that some areas might potentially never get vectoring just to keep a choice of another provider .. like those people really care to have a choice
14:44.31Gnarfozrebuilds quassel-webserver
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14:52.13znfGnarfoz: yeah. I have no idea how to use that
15:06.44Gnarfoz:(
15:06.59Gnarfozso, visit to Media Markt was unenlightening, as expected
15:07.17Gnarfozexcept for reaffirming the weird impression that those TVs seem smaller than they really should be
15:07.28Gnarfozmaybe it's because they're free-standing without anything around them
15:07.39Gnarfozalso, many of them are below eye-line
15:07.56Gnarfozs/line/level/
15:08.07Gnarfozwell the free-standing ones, the ones on the walls are either below, at, or above :p
15:08.29Gnarfozanyway, that kind fuels that urge to get a 55" one
15:08.33Gnarfozeven though I don't have room for it :P
15:08.44nebulago big or go home!
15:11.47Gnarfozso you want me to buy a big TV and then not go home?
15:11.52Gnarfozwhere'd I go with it
15:12.31nebulago big and/or go home
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15:20.13Gnarfoz;p
15:47.42Stanzillahi
15:47.47Megalonih
15:54.17Stanzillaso Fisker are you getting the 10537 leak?
15:54.32FiskerWhy would I get leaks+
15:55.08Stanzillabecause you also downgrade your phone OS to get a different icon in an app
15:55.17Megalon:D
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15:55.24FiskerNah Stanzilla
15:55.25Repoora3: 03nebula169 * r966 modules/Rings.lua: Rings: more combat protection
15:55.29FiskerThat's silly
15:55.53FiskerI'm thinking of buying 5x3TB drives today
15:56.18Megalondo you need to backup your manifesto?
15:56.28Stanzillanebula: do the rings work in rated battlegrounds?
15:56.54nebulaStanzilla: mystery
15:57.32FiskerNeed to rebuild my raid Megalon
16:03.35Megalonwhy, did half your guild leave?
16:05.31hasteFisker scared them away
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16:12.23FiskerHey haste
16:15.34StanzillaGnarfoz: small change, big impact for us many-tabs-people https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r9Ic3BNqA3E/VfbTktX0tII/AAAAAAABsZo/SJFu8x8WlQs/w1000-h430-no/title-tab.png
16:16.57FiskerI like
16:27.56Stanzillahttp://scr.wfcdn.de/13642/Nvidia-Warum-man-sich-fuer-Shield-und-gegen-Apple-TV-entscheiden-sollte-1442242414-0-0.jpg
16:27.57Stanzilla:D
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16:46.24xotixhi
16:47.20xotixI'm trying to make a simple mod for 1.12 - I'd like to print somethign to the chat when I open the auctionhouse. Which event is fired then?
16:48.42xotixor how do I find out which event is fired?
16:49.22Torhalxotix: We don't support private servers.
17:04.37wink1.12? is that.. vanilla? O_O
17:05.12Executioner`were there even events back in 1.12?
17:05.43winkI only remember ctmod
17:05.47winkand not many more addons
17:05.57winknot even sure ace was around back then :D
17:06.07Executioner`[18:15:34] <Stanzilla> Gnarfoz: small change, big impact for us many-tabs-people https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r9Ic3BNqA3E/VfbTktX0tII/AAAAAAABsZo/SJFu8x8WlQs/w1000-h430-no/title-tab.png
17:06.17Executioner`I would rather have a scrolling tab bar like in firefox
17:06.38Executioner`I often have 20+ tabs... on a 1440 wide screen
17:06.53nebulactmod and klhthreatmeter!
17:07.02winklol that's not a real problem
17:07.12winkeverytime I have my browser from my 27" open on the 11"
17:07.20winkwhen every tab is just a triangle
17:07.26winkTHAT is a problem
17:07.27Executioner`triangle :DD
17:07.58MegalonExecutioner`: there were no events in 1.12
17:07.59wink(and yes, it's a laptop that I often carry around)
17:08.06Megalonthere was only 1 event that triggered for everything :D
17:08.19winksounds like JS
17:08.41Executionerhow about hooksecurefunc?
17:08.56nebulawhat about it?
17:09.28nebulathe idea of "secure" frames didn't come about until 2.0
17:11.04Executioneror something like frame:hookevent?
17:12.12winkxotix: congratulations, you've earned a "how to start a meta conversation" trophy :)
17:12.48Executionerneeds to be an achievement
17:12.58Megalonfeast of strength
17:13.05nebulasounds tastey
17:13.07Megalonfeat
17:13.11Megalondamn
17:13.19nevcairielwould love myself a good feast
17:13.19Executionermake a fakeachievement addon
17:13.20Megalonmy subconciousness got me again
17:13.21Executionerfor 1.12
17:13.22Executioner:DD
17:13.53xotixthere were a lot more mods e.g. auctioneer, all these raid assist stuff etc.
17:13.57xotixwink :)
17:14.37Megalonrecount that relied on parsing the combatlog strings
17:14.52Executionerwow
17:15.02Executionerthat could've been quite cpu heavy
17:15.17Executionerand god forbid if you ran a non-english client
17:15.27nebulathe combatlog itself is pretty cpu heavy
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17:16.06Executioneryeah, found it out the hard way when left one my addons in debugging mode with frame:RegisterAllEvents()
17:16.48xotixhttp://vanilla-wow.wikia.com/wiki/Events/P etc.
17:18.00xotixMegalon: anyway, I'm a noob on this, nevermind.
17:19.22Megalonhehe
17:19.46Megaloni guess doing stuff for 1.12 to be very tedious
17:20.00winkI'd love to try to level on vanilla again
17:20.10winkand give up at 17, because I rolled a Paladin
17:20.20Megaloni rolled druid
17:20.23winkDynamite as ranged weapon!
17:20.31Megalonand did all the class quests when you get them
17:20.40Megalonyea thanks acquatic form, fuck you too
17:20.44Megalon;/
17:20.55nevcairieli loved those quests
17:20.59nevcairielit was actually a journey!
17:21.25Megalonwell, can't replicate that nowadays really
17:22.02Megalonwasn't there also a warlock quest for alliance that had you go to the barrens
17:23.06nevcairielyes
17:23.13nevcairieland all it gave you was some item
17:23.59nebulawhat i remember the most about leveling in vanilla as a warrior is if i pulled more than one mob at a time, i was pretty much dead
17:24.09nevcairielwell, warrior
17:24.10nevcairiel:p
17:24.34Megalongetting travelform was awesome! :D
17:27.49FiskerWhy of the lotv trailer stupid?
17:28.01Megalonthe lotv trailer made you stupid?
17:28.08winklotv?
17:28.16Megalonsc2_3
17:28.26nebulathe teaser trailers were better, imo
17:29.37Stanzillayeah what they showed yesterday was pretty lame
17:30.14Stanzillasome people I know are really made they spoilered the tassadar thing
17:33.40nebulahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qJgSR7C2FM i don't play sc, but that was pretty cool
17:33.44Megalontassadar thing?
17:33.58Megalonhe commander of the void or what
17:35.17nebulaif that's what Stanzilla was talking about, it's actually zeratul
17:35.52Stanzillaboth actually
17:35.54Stanzillathey merge
17:35.57Stanzillasee CD pet
17:35.58Stanzilla*CE
17:36.07nebulai assumed that was just an archon thing
17:36.19Stanzillacould be
17:36.39Megalonoh that's why it was instant archon
17:36.41StanzillaI dont know anything about the storylines, just that some people were mad because of it :D
17:36.47nebula" An Archon is created when two of either Dark Templar or High Templar merge together on the battlefield"
17:37.06Megalonbut zeratul is dark templar and tassadar high templar
17:37.06nebulapretty sure that wasn't anything significant, just some cool images
17:37.17Megalonso it's trans-archon
17:37.24Megalonomgomgomg, get the rainbowflags ready
17:45.59Kalrothhttps://i.imgur.com/bLs6vmq.jpg this is totally Gnarfoz!
17:48.48Executioner:DD
17:49.20Executionerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi355E3GN6k
17:52.37winklol
17:58.39Stanzillanebula: so archon is permanent so it's kinda a big thing
17:58.50nebulawhat? that archon died
17:59.13StanzillaI mean when to templar merge into an archon they cant split anymore
17:59.39Stanzillaand when tassadar and zeratul do it, big thing
18:01.27nebulawhere is this even coming from, zeratul and tassadar weren't even in the opening movie
18:01.35Stanzillathe CE pet
18:01.43Stanzillait's called zeratar
18:01.45Stanzillaor so
18:02.04nebulaso what, a zeratul/tassadar archon has been in the sc2 files for ever
18:04.28Stanzillayeah like I siad, I dont know shit :p
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18:13.58ExecutionerIs there a way to have objects work as if they were local but to a whole addon?
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18:18.22nebulayou have to pass their ref around somehow, usually with the table provided to the addon
18:19.07nebulaor some other global everything can pull from
18:19.41ExecutionerSo, one main lua file with the local table and the rest of files are global functions with table parameters?
18:20.29silentiumExecutioner: http://wow.gamepedia.com/Lua_variable_scoping#Addon-local_variables
18:20.40nebulaevery lua file in the addon is passed the addon name and a shared table that you get from ... in the global scope
18:21.10nebulaie, local addonName, addonTable = ...
18:23.30Executionerah
18:23.40Executionerthis seems to be a bit easier than doing
18:23.42Executionerhttp://pastebin.com/Aue50vbD this
18:23.52Executionerthis was quite overboard, but worked
18:24.38nebulawas the old way of doing things, global all the things!
18:25.41TorhalOld "proper" way was to global a single table and use it like the shared private table.
18:25.50Torhalglobals Fisker.
18:26.08nebulasetglobal(Fisker) = nil
18:26.20nebulaerm, yea
18:26.25Torhalo.O
18:26.37Executioner_G["Fisker"] = function() return false end
18:26.37TorhalDAT SYNTAX.
18:27.00nebulawas thinking _G, but went back to setglobal
18:27.13Executionerwasn't getglobal/setglobal deprecated a while ago?
18:27.18TorhalYar.
18:27.19nebulaforever ago
18:27.20Executionerafaik from 3.x to 4.0 transition
18:27.25Kalroth_G["Fisker"] = _G[nil]
18:27.31TorhalThey're pretty much wrappers around _G["feh"]
18:27.32nebulait's not in lua, but UIParent still has the functions defined, i think
18:27.39Executionerwouldn't be _G[nil] equal nil?
18:27.43TorhalOr were, I should say.
18:27.54Kalrothyes, but it adds a redundant lookup
18:27.57ExecutionerI miss the old arg1, arg2, ... variables
18:28.04Torhal...
18:28.18nebulai mean, there's still there :p
18:28.24TorhalI vastly prefer actualUsefulName, betterUsefulName
18:28.31ExecutionerI had to do a
18:28.41Executionerfunction OnEvent(event, ...)
18:28.41Executionerlocal arg1,arg2,arg3,arg4,arg5,arg6,arg7,arg8,arg9,arg10=select(1,...)
18:28.43KalrothI wish you could do arg1, arg2, ..., arg7, arg8, ..., arg13
18:28.44Executionerthing
18:29.15TorhalWhoah. A select call starting at 1, to assign to multiple variables? There should be a special hell for that.
18:29.31Executionerwhy?
18:29.33Executioner:D
18:29.34Kalroth:D
18:29.47TorhalBecause you're selecting from the first index anyway...
18:29.55TorhalSo just get rid of select() altogether.
18:29.59nebulai don't think you could use ... directly at some point
18:30.05nebulasame with #table, etc
18:30.09TorhalMayhap.
18:30.15TorhalYeah, WoW started with 5.0 Lua.
18:30.22ExecutionerI also used things like ({...})[2]
18:30.44Kalrothaaaah
18:30.49Gnarfozapparently, I have a sofa
18:30.56GnarfozI dug it out
18:30.57Gnarfoz:o
18:31.04KalrothGnarfoz: not anymore, you sold it for the TV!
18:31.11Gnarfozit's not mine :(
18:31.16nebulaall the better
18:31.19Executioner:DD
18:31.23Gnarfozit was buried under piles of clothes, gadgets, boxes, stuff
18:31.27Kalrothhaha
18:34.33quiescenso.o
18:36.57Gnarfoznext up: the coffee table in front of it, the ottoman next to that, the floor in front of said table, the floor to the side of said table...
18:37.22nebulasuch a slob
18:41.45Gnarfozmy work desk is OCD levels of clean, so is my car, but it's too easy to fall into the abyss of "it's TOO untidy, I don't want to start cleaning up"
18:42.13Gnarfozand I'm a lazy fucker by nature :P
18:46.05Executionertfw you for some reason want to rewrite an addon already in development to be compilant with oop
18:46.22Executionerand then I get this addon-local scope too
18:49.36PrimerI should refactor my addon to use self properly
18:50.07PrimerI got frustrated with it and ended up using MyAddon instead
18:50.26Executionerwasn't self also removed during cata?
18:50.49Executioneror was that this?
18:51.31nebulathis in xml
18:58.56Executioneroh ok, no one actually uses xml anyway
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19:27.56znfHow the fuck do you skip  YouTube ad in chromecast
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19:34.09neisballshey there, anyone around?
19:34.26Gnarfozprobably
19:35.37neisballsi have one question only, it might be weird though
19:36.03neisballsid like to know the name of the tooltip objects
19:36.17neisballsi know theres GameTooltip
19:36.56Executionerunfortunately, the technology to telepathy is still not here
19:37.21Gnarfozhave you looked at some tooltip replacement addon? maybe that's a good source (I don't know an authoritative one)
19:39.22neisballsthis tooltip im trying to get its name, isnt related to GameTooltip
19:39.42neisballsive looked around on the internet and i found this code
19:39.52neisballs<PROTECTED>
19:40.26neisballsits very good, and helps a lot, but the thing is, it wont show objects that arent related to GameTooltip
19:41.25neisballsi tried to change it to "Tooltip", but apparently, Tooltip  isnt an object type
19:43.00Phixionhttp://ph.ixx.io/n/4vfzd boner :o
19:45.01Torhalneisballs: ItemRefTooltip is another. I believe there's one more, but can't think of it's name.
19:49.49Repoora3: 03nebula169 * r967  (2 files in 1 directory): ReadyCheck: update the window before fading out
19:50.44neisballsi think i got it now, i changed the code to this
19:50.46neisballs<PROTECTED>
19:51.05neisballsand i think its not an object
19:54.06nebulaneisballs: what are you trying to do?
19:56.16nebulabecause if you're trying to get environment tooltips (ie, "Chair", or from mousing over 3d objects), you're not going to have a good time
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19:56.53neisballstheres an addon, called Auditor, u guys know it?
19:57.20TorhalYes.
19:57.25neisballsok
19:58.00nebulabroker addons will get tooltips from the display provider, which will typically be a gametooltip
19:58.02neisballsso it has a built-in tooltip, which im starting to think is the gametooltip
19:58.16TorhalNo
19:58.16neisballsi mean
19:58.19neisballsno the gametooltip
19:58.20TorhalIt's using LibQTip.
19:58.42nebulawell there you go, it has it's own tooltip
19:58.50neisballsLibQtip
19:58.54neisballsill try that
19:58.57neisballstyvm
20:02.31neisballsanyway, i wonder if that has an object name, as GameTooltip is the name of the tooltip object
20:02.41nebulaFrame
20:02.44nebula:p
20:03.00neisballshmm
20:03.03neisballslet me try that
20:03.04Torhalneisballs: Have you tried looking at Auditor's code?
20:03.15TorhalAnd Frame is the object type. Not its global name.
20:04.20neisballsi have, but i dont understand anything of lua, i just make some assumptions
20:05.37nebula"He was also highly critical of the drought of content at the end of WOTLK... which was far less than the one we saw at the end of MoP." lol, they apparently didn't raid icc for two years
20:05.39neisballsalso, it doenst have a xml
20:08.13Torhalneisballs: What, exactly, are you attempting to do?
20:10.16neisballsim trying to change the alpha background of the tooltip box of auditor to "1"
20:10.41neisballsbut, thing is, i use another addon, that change objects tooltips
20:11.29neisballsthis other addon change these objects tooltips
20:11.31neisballsGameTooltip, ItemRefTooltip, ShoppingTooltip1, ShoppingTooltip2, ShoppingTooltip3, WorldMapTooltip, GarrisonFollowerTooltip, GarrisonFollowerAbilityTooltip, GarrisonMissionMechanicFollowerCounterTooltip,
20:12.02neisballsif i could get the name of the tooltip box that auditor provides, i could add to that list
20:12.08neisballsthats wat i thought, though
20:14.48nebuladoesn't look like libqtip names the tooltip frame, so probably out of luck outside of editing auditor
20:16.17neisballsyea, already tried that
20:18.49neisballsive read the code, but i dont understand how it prints the info it gets
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20:22.27Megalonyou basically want the tooltip to have a black background?
20:23.16neisballsindeed
20:23.41Megalonwhat color is black? is it 1,1,1,1?
20:24.50neisballsyes
20:25.33Megalonopen the core.lua, search the function addon:ShowTooltip() thing
20:25.48nevcairielisnt 1,1,1 white
20:25.53Megalonthen 0,0,0 ?
20:25.57Megalonhe can try both anyway :P
20:26.14Megalonhttp://pastebin.com/NTergzac
20:26.30Megalonadd that SetBackdropColor line
20:27.00Megaloncould be that 0, 0, 0 is black instead of all ones, I never know how it is :S
20:27.58neisballsill try that, but this addon didnt have a tooltip function b4
20:28.15neisballsthats y i dont understand how it shows up the info it gets
20:28.21Megalonbroker_auditor ?
20:28.26neisballsyes
20:28.34Megalonit creates the tooltip using libqtip
20:28.36neisballsits auditor2, i think
20:28.48Executioner[22:23:41] <Megalon> what color is black? is it 1,1,1,1?
20:28.49neisballsthats wat torhal said
20:28.58neisballsit is
20:29.00neisballs1,1,1,1
20:29.06Executionerthe fourth is the transparency, the only thing valid being in black
20:29.14Executionerfirst three should be zeroes
20:29.18neisballsindeed
20:29.26neisballsrgb
20:29.34Megalonwell i am talking about broker_auditor
20:32.26neisballswell, sorry if we misunderstood but im talking about this addon
20:32.27neisballshttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5429-Auditor.html#info
20:33.38Megalonyea and I'm talking about Broker_Auditor inside that zip
20:34.01Megalonhttp://www.curse.com/addons/wow/auditor has a newer version (no clue if it does anything beside updated toc)
20:34.51Megalonthe addon basically consists of 2 two addons, one that does the tracking and one that displays the tooltip
20:36.42neisballswell, i downloaded through curse client
20:36.52neisballsin my interface folder
20:37.11neisballstheres one folder called Auditor2
20:37.42Megalonand broker_auditor should be there too
20:37.51neisballsinside it, theres Auditor2.toc
20:37.53neisballsCore.lua
20:37.57Megalonno inside the interface folder
20:38.00Megalonis a broker_auditor folder
20:38.31neisballsOH
20:38.36neisballsfinally i found it
20:38.41neisballstyvm
20:38.46Megalonno clue why that's even split up
20:39.16neisballsyea
20:39.22neisballsid never thought of that
20:39.25neisballsrofl
20:39.37neisballsthats y id never found
20:54.48neisballsi did add that line, but nothing happened, actually
20:58.30neisballsim reading that code, maybe i can learn something
21:04.13Torhalneisballs: Change the last 1 to a 0 if you're trying to make the tooltip transparent.
21:05.10neisballsna, im trying to make it solid black
21:10.51neisballswell
21:11.02neisballsit DID work, now i must try something else then >.>
21:11.12neisballsthing is
21:11.26neisballsim using a UI called SyncUI
21:11.41neisballswhich modifies a lot of stuff, including tooltips
21:14.55neisballsanyhow
21:14.58Executioner!g SyncUI
21:15.09Executioneroh this chan doesn't have that bot
21:15.56Executioneraw, too many gradients
21:16.02Executionerand overtextured health bars
21:16.58neisballsthat addon, changes all the tooltips, including omen, bugsack
21:17.53neisballsbut it does not change auditor
21:18.17neisballswell, it does actually, it sets auditor backdrop to alpha = "0"
21:18.44neisballssince i dont understand much of ace and libs
21:18.52Executionera tooltip's background to zero? why
21:19.21neisballsi can only assume it happens because syncui cancels blizzard default ui to run
21:19.50neisballsand that chains to libQtip, somehow
21:27.56neisballsso, as i was saying, syncui addon modifies the tooltip when i mouse over omen's minimap icon, skada's minimap icon, bugsack's minimap icon
21:28.54neisballsbut it neither modify auditor's or altoholic's tooltip
21:29.10znfbad addon
21:29.11znfgo to your room
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21:34.06neisballslolz
21:48.45neisballsna, its not a bad addon at all
21:49.09neisballsits very light, and doenst have many bugs
22:07.12Repogathermate2: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.35.4 GatherMate2.lua: [+2 commits]
22:07.12Repo383a85a: Re-run garrison node clearing
22:07.12Repo896b665: Don't accept garrison nodes through the inject API
22:07.22Repogathermate2: 03Nevcairiel 041.35.4 * f4ee4ce /: [new tag] Tag as 1.35.4
22:25.24StanzillaI always wished routes would support tomtom nodes
22:25.36Stanzillaso I can just /way a few things and let it build a route from that
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