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04:35.37Fiskerhey Stanzilla
04:35.50FiskerWe've updated your computer without asking you while you slept
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06:21.55Fiskeraww Stanzilla
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10:27.46Gnarfozsounds like you forgot to change that setting, then
10:33.25FiskerIt's a new feature Gnarfoz
10:33.39FiskerUsually it gave you the normal "Hi, while you're waiting we're setting up some apps"
10:33.47FiskerNow it's like "Hi, we upgraded your computer"
10:33.54FiskerWhich I thought was cute/funny
10:35.04znf"we also rebooted your PC, what do you mean you didn't save what you had opened?"
10:35.05znf:P
10:35.48nevcairielif you leave unsaved work open over night, you deserve getting it lost
10:38.47znfI deserve getting it lost...?
10:38.59znfSo it's too much to ask of my PC to work as expected?
10:39.35nevcairielthat depends what your expectations are, because those could be entirely unrealistic :D
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11:15.48Gnarfozmy expectation is that if I set it to ask me to reboot instead of doing it itself, it will do so
11:15.53Gnarfozso far, I have not been disappointed
11:17.01nevcairieli usually notice the white notification center icon and then manually reboot
11:17.12nevcairielnot sure if the notification center gets more active eventually
11:19.40Fiskernevcairiel
11:19.51Fisker6P is up for order on google store now for you?
11:20.11nevcairielno
11:20.22nevcairiel"Coming soon."
11:24.08znfthe action center in W10 is cancer
11:24.11znfworse than hitler
11:24.52nevcairielwhy, is it killing you and your family?
11:27.45Fisker:( nevcairiel
11:27.46FiskerI want it
11:27.48FiskerI waaaaaant it
11:27.54nevcairieli dont
11:27.57FiskerDon't think hitler killed his family nevcairiel
11:28.06nevcairielit bends like beckham
11:28.25Fiskernah
11:28.31FiskerIt was trolling
11:28.34Fiskerhis name is boxxy
11:28.39Fiskeryou see?
11:30.45FiskerSome guys used actually science and found that the bending point was slightly below the 6S
11:30.58Fiskeractual*
11:31.50nevcairielits all in all still a somewhat underwhelming and overpriced phone
11:32.46Fiskernah
11:32.50Fiskerbest phone
11:32.59Fiskerprice is bad if you're not getting it in the US though
11:32.59Fisker:D
11:37.56Fiskerhttp://www.mediamarkt.de/mcs/product/_HUAWEI-NEXUS-6P,48353,2495673.html?langId=-3 wow nevcairiel
11:38.30Phixion(:
11:50.51MegalonBEZAHLT!
12:22.06GnarfozMoto X Force <3
12:22.08Gnarfozwtb
12:22.10Gnarfozkind of
12:22.23znfa cPanel user is using 938.000 inodes
12:22.29znfhis backup takes 4 hours
12:33.06Megalonand he doesn't give 'em back I guess?
12:33.15Megalonhate those kind of people
12:45.53Gnarfozinodes don't grow on trees, kids
12:46.08znfGnarfoz, powerdns?
12:46.30Gnarfozno idea, I don't run any DNS
12:46.55Gnarfozthe answer is probably "djbdns", but I have a feeling that's not particularly user-friendly
12:49.19GnarfozI guess PowerDNS is fine, too, from 2 minutes of research
12:56.34znfoh god, this setup :(
12:56.38znfwe seem to have 5 dns servers
12:56.44znf2 for stuff, 3 for other stuff
12:56.55znfit was set up with pgsql
12:57.02znfand some database replication thingie called slony
12:58.16znfand I've no idea how to edit stuff in powerdns
13:08.45Gnarfozhopefully through one of the various frontends/interfaces
13:09.56Gnarfozand even I know Slony as the postgre replication solution, and I've never run a postgresql db in my life :D
13:10.15Stanzillahi
13:12.06znfGnarfoz, yeah, now I need to figure out what/where
13:18.36nevcairielthe garrision decorations didnt despawn as the hallows end event ended
13:18.38nevcairielinteresting
13:18.40nevcairieli f igured they would
13:18.54nevcairielnow i can keep them up until christmas =p
13:20.07Phixion\o/
13:20.23FiskerHi Stanzilla
13:25.37FiskerIt begins
13:26.24Fiskerthe ui for fallout 4 is nice
13:31.52Megalonniiiiiiiiice
13:34.43Gnarfozhttp://i.imgur.com/x6tcKsu.png this is not what I signed up for! :(
13:40.11Fiskerugh Stanzilla I think notifications are considered communication sounds now :(
13:43.31FiskerThis is painful to watch a console gamer playing games
13:43.32Stanzillamakes sense, no?
13:43.39FiskerI guess
13:43.44FiskerBut also means I have to disable it now
13:44.05nevcairielpeople complained about that before
13:44.23nevcairielpersonally I just turn the volume reduction on communication off
13:44.25nevcairieli find it annoying
13:44.43Stanzillasame
13:45.10nevcairielbut i also turn notification sounds off
13:45.12nevcairiel<PROTECTED>
13:47.45FiskerCan't get insider on my SFP Stanzilla
13:47.49Fisker:<
13:48.01FiskerIs there an iso for 10576 yet?
13:50.30Stanzillanot on ms download servers
13:50.35Stanzillabut you can make one from the esd
13:51.22Gnarfoznevcairiel: can you say if a 6€ day pass for Hamburg ÖPNV is ok? bahn.de is offering me those
13:51.48StanzillaFisker: did you get a surface book btw?
13:51.49znfGnarfoz, pgsql is cancer
13:51.53Fiskernope Stanzilla
13:51.58FiskerCan't get that
13:52.00FiskerIt's US only
13:52.11nevcairielGnarfoz: thats the default price
13:52.17Gnarfozok, so I can skip those
13:52.56nevcairielstrictly speaking thats the default price for the ticket valid as of 9am
13:53.02nevcairielif you want earlier, its more expensive
13:53.31nevcairiel(because they want people to skip the rush hour in the morning if they can)
13:54.25nevcairiel(not applicable on weekends)
13:59.53GnarfozI only arrive at two minutes before 1337 o'clock, so that's fine
14:00.40Gnarfozand I possibly only need one trip on Friday and one trip on Sunday; and they didn't offer it for Saturday, where I'll need a day ticket
14:01.24nevcairieldont you get such things automatically with a ICE ticket these days
14:01.31nevcairielor are you using cheaper transportation
14:03.01StanzillaAMD wird in Zukunft die Bezeichnung Catalyst bei Treibern für Grafikkarten fallen lassen. Stattdessen wird „Crimson“ als Ersatz herhalten. Doch nicht nur der Name wurde geändert, sondern auch die Bedienoberfläche, die mit der alten Version nichts mehr gemeinsam hat.
14:03.03Stanzillarevolutionary
14:03.16Stanzilla"Beispiel „Catalyst 15.11“ genannten wurden, wird der volle Namen in Zukunft „Radeon Software Crimson Edition 15.11“ lauten"
14:03.20Stanzillayeah ok then, make it even longer
14:04.17StanzillaDas Besondere daran: Dieser wird nur etwa ein Jahr lang gelten. Danach wird der Treiber wieder umbenannt, wobei sich die Bezeichnung an einem anderen Rotton orientieren wird.
14:04.18Stanzillawow
14:04.26MegalonAMD Radeon Software Crimson Red 4k FullHD 3D Stereoskopic Ultra Alpha Tournament Edition 15.11
14:04.27nevcairielwho the fuck cares how the drivers are called
14:04.55nevcairielnvidia used to call their thing forceware or something, but i think they dropepd that and its just called "NVIDIA Display Driver" now =p
14:06.01Stanzillamaybe they watched too much bob ross
14:06.13nevcairieli watched that for like half an hour yesterday :(
14:06.32StanzillaI love watching him
14:07.16Fiskermy surface pro shocked me Stanzilla :(
14:07.19FiskerTime to get a new one
14:08.11Stanzillagz
14:08.25Stanzilladid you touch the usb ports or what?
14:09.03Fiskernope
14:09.12FiskerSome of the casing isn't grounded probably I guess
14:09.17Fiskeror whatevever
14:09.20Fiskerwhatever*
14:14.02Gnarfoznevcairiel: apparently, they just offer it (that's why I asked if 6€ was good/cheap/fair), it's two checkboxes... but I would have had to pay for it. I did use a bahn.bonus/bahncard special offer thing, though, maybe they throw it in if you actually pay full price
14:14.21nevcairielah
14:14.23nevcairielmaybe
14:21.02StanzillaFisker: so are you getting a sfp 4 then?
14:21.08StanzillaI heard they have a battery drain issue
14:22.44FiskerOh?
14:22.48FiskerAnd I don't know Stanzilla
14:23.33Gnarfozall electronic devices have a battery drain issue
14:24.30nevcairielexcept chargers
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14:26.50Fiskerhey Ressy
14:27.06FiskerUnless they're charging from a battery nevcairiel
14:27.26Ressymorning
14:32.28Gnarfozpower banks are the worst, Fisker
14:32.34Gnarfozbatteries with a battery drain issue
14:32.51nevcairielhehe
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15:12.26Fiskerbtw Stanzilla I asked that benson guy to go fix the google store :D
15:21.11StanzillaFisker: what did he tell you
15:21.38FiskerThat he'd poke someone to fix the description
15:21.57Stanzillasounds good
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15:30.32Fiskeryou're good
15:30.43Megalonneutral good
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15:33.13mitch0Megalon: how old are you?
15:33.28Stanzillamentally or physically?
15:33.43Megalon12 or 32
15:33.45Megalonyou decide
15:33.55mitch0;)
15:34.13Megalonwhy are you asking mitch0
15:34.23mitch0'cos of the "neutral good" remark
15:34.30mitch0though only 40+ folks remember that stuff
15:34.36mitch0thought
15:35.29winkhmm
15:35.29winkwhy 40?
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15:35.41mitch0well, yeah, 35+ then ;)
15:35.43Megalonbecause d&d is old and kids these days
15:35.54winkI mean.. (A)D&D was not sooo common in Europe (Germany especially)
15:36.01Megalonmitch0, I got a vid for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD0x7ho_IYc
15:36.02Megalon:P
15:36.02winkbut I'd say 30+ even
15:36.15winkas our local D&D was very big in the 90s/00s
15:36.17mitch0ok, I concede
15:36.29wink(minor nitpick, ignore me)
15:36.48winkmy pen&paper role playing group is 3x-5x anyway
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15:37.11Megaloni played d&d once with friends when they visited from germany
15:37.27Megalonthe epic adventures of Karl Liegerfeld
15:37.38Megalonowner of the brothel Zum Goldenen Schuss 8)
15:39.12mitch0Megalon: that video is kinda boring
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15:39.38Megalonthat's because you got the attention span of half a Fisker
15:39.53mitch0Megalon: that would be under the plank scale
15:41.50Megalonthat is short as fuck
15:43.36mitch0btw, anyone got the url to that video about the large-scale structure of the universe with that spiderweb like structure and stuff
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15:50.58Megalonthe what video :o
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15:59.54mitch0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rENyyRwxpHo <- I think it was this one
16:00.27mitch0shows just how small we really are...
16:00.37mitch0almost like the total perspective vortex :)
16:00.46Stanzillamy brain is also really small
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16:12.02znfmornings are like http://i.imgur.com/5hENDXZ.gifv
16:15.03znfThe Warcraft Movie trailer is confirmed for Friday November 6th!
16:15.03znfhttp://www.wowhead.com/…/warcraft-movie-trailer-coming-nove…
16:15.03znf:o
16:15.03znf!!!!
16:15.08znff* facebook
16:15.17znfwell, now I have to get that virtual ticket
16:16.01hasteznf: you failed
16:16.31nevcairielwhy do you need the virtual ticket for that
16:16.40nevcairieli expect they'll show it in the keynote, which is free for all
16:16.48znfdoesn't matter
16:16.51znfalso, I want/need the murloc
16:17.11Megalonznf and his flawless reasoning
16:18.24FiskerKnow the link to legit esd decrypter tool Stanzilla ?
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16:29.46Stanphoneyay no Internet
16:29.55Fiskergood Stanphone
16:30.06Fiskerplease get internet though so you can get me some esd decrypter
16:30.07Stanphoneno fisker
16:30.10nevcairieljust wait, it'll strike friday at 20:00
16:30.16nevcairieldidnt that happen last time to you
16:30.30Stanphoneyes
16:31.15Stanzillaok that was fast
16:31.48StanzillaFisker: http://winaero.com/blog/download-windows-10-build-10567-iso-images/
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16:33.26Stanzillanevcairiel: I'll be fuckign supermegamad if that happens again
16:33.56nevcairielyou could watch the reruns on virtual ticket worst case
16:34.42Stanzillayeah still
16:35.18Megalonhey nointernetzilla
16:35.46Stanzillano
16:35.50Stanzillacase closed already
16:37.41Fiskerrip though Stanzilla
16:38.02Stanzillawhy though
16:38.03Megalonrip in internetless peace
16:38.24Fiskerbecause the links were removed
16:38.58StanzillaFisker: https://github.com/gus33000/ESD-Decrypter
16:39.05FiskerThat is not legit
16:39.09Fiskeraugust is last release
16:39.10Stanzillayes is
16:39.16Stanzillayou justn eed the latest crypto key
16:39.37Stanzillahttp://pastebin.com/ApTnEv2G
16:40.00nevcairieldoesnt seem very legit to get some random tool and some random key of off some pastebin
16:40.16Stanzillait's just batch scripts around windows imaging tools
16:40.23Stanzillacan't make that any more official
16:43.20quiescensgo to sleep
16:43.22quiescens~
16:43.47Stanzillayou go to sleep
16:44.17quiescensfalls asleep in the corner
16:44.31winksleep on the go
16:44.31nevcairielwell he didnt die, thats a bonus
16:45.19winknevcairiel: you're on quassel and windows atm, right?
16:45.24nevcairielyes
16:45.30winkignore my incoming ctcp spam :D
16:45.46winkblocked that?
16:45.52nevcairieli have ctcp disabled
16:45.52nevcairiel:D
16:45.57wink*shakes fist*
16:46.02winktest
16:46.07wink^ bet you don't
16:46.19nevcairielwell its smart and lets actions through
16:46.35nevcairielbut my core is on linux anyway, and that would probably answer any CTCPs
16:47.29winknope
16:47.39winkpretty sure it's the client
16:47.51nevcairielhow would that work, i can have 20 clients connected to the same account
16:47.54quiescens\o/
16:48.08nevcairielthere i disabled the ctcp ignore :p
16:48.21quiescens\o/
16:48.35winknevcairiel: what's your core's box's timezone?
16:48.43nevcairielcet
16:48.43winkand what's your windows one?
16:48.46nevcairielcet
16:48.46winkah. ok
16:48.53winkno sane person does that 8)
16:49.08nevcairielwhy would my server not run in a timezone
16:49.13winkbecause utc
16:49.18nevcairielit still uses utc for the hardware clock
16:49.25nevcairieli just set /etc/timezone
16:49.26winkstill makes all the logs weird
16:49.34winkif it jumps forward or back
16:49.56winkgod I hate timezones
16:50.02winkthanks anyway, gonna amend the bug
16:50.11winkand your core argument was very good
16:50.19winkI forgot people could be running standalone
16:51.48nevcairieldefinitely the core answering the ctcp time though
16:51.55winkyeah
16:51.57winkhttp://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/1388
16:52.03winkmain point still stands, ignore me.
16:52.08winkthanks for the test
16:52.19winkI only have so many cores and clients to test here :P
16:52.38nevcairielamending the time format seems easy enough
16:52.43winkunless windows.
16:53.01winkphp and rust wrap strftime from c and it %z is not available there
16:53.09winkso *maybe* qt also just does that
16:53.19winkbut yeah, core is usually not windows
16:53.47winkI just stumbled over this by chance yesterday
16:53.59winkwhile developping an irc bot in rust on windows. QQ
16:54.03wink-p
16:54.06nevcairielQt will likely have a way to fix that for you
16:54.32nevcairielcant it return ISO date format?
16:54.33winkyeah, had no time to investigate, just needed this one thing tested. :)
16:54.37nevcairielthere is a neat function for that
16:54.58winkback to work. :/
16:57.50quiescenswoek woek
16:58.51silentiumwink: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time#cite_note-12 McCarthy and Seidelmann (p. 17) devote most of a page explaining why "the use of the term 'Greenwich Mean Time' or its abbreviation 'GMT' remains a source of confusion today." They point out several times when respected authorities have stopped using GMT or recommended that GMT should no longer be used: the IAU in 1928, the 1939
16:58.57silentiumAmerican Ephemeris, astronomical almanacs after 1960, and another recommendation from the IAU in 1976.
16:59.22winksilentium: who said anything about GMT?
16:59.23silentiumyet people still use it in issue trackers in 2015 :p
16:59.39winkah, my subject BBB did, right?
17:00.09winksee, the problem is that I didnt want to look up if they were BST or BxT or whatever they use in the UK :D
17:00.11silentiumyou also wrote it "should be" for user AAA
17:00.23winkI actually tried to edit it to UTC
17:00.26winkbut the BT wouldn't let mer
17:00.29wink:(
17:00.47quiescens):
17:01.44silentiumjust use UTC anywhere times are logged or transferred to get rid of any ambiguities
17:02.37winknice plan, unless a spec calls for local time
17:02.42silentiumeveryone knows how to convert UTC to/from their local timezone, so this way nobody needs to look up other people's
17:02.55winkthen it's a cheap shot :P
17:03.33silentiumit's universal, as the name implies (on this planet at least)
17:03.56Megaloni use
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17:04.12Megalona bit time, 1 when i'm awake, 0 when asleep
17:04.32silentiumMegalon: so more 0 than 1? :)
17:06.11quiescenssleep is good o.o
17:06.44Megalonit defaults to 0
17:24.00Reporarity: 03allara 04r481-release * r482 : Tagging as r481-release
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17:42.21znfUh, I just drove a prius
17:42.25znfThose hybrid engines are fun
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19:07.48FiskerHey Parnic
19:11.31Parnichey fisker
19:12.02FiskerHey
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20:07.52Stanzillazomg Fisker
20:08.04FiskerHey Stanzilla
20:08.06Stanzillamy nexus images alert went off
20:08.12Stanzillait was only a new n5x build though :<
20:08.13FiskerGood
20:08.16FiskerGood
20:08.17Stanzillaoh and 6p
20:08.20FiskerGood
20:08.23Stanzillaand 6
20:08.25FiskerSauce
20:08.25Stanzillaand player
20:08.30Stanzillaand 9
20:08.33Stanzillaand 5
20:08.35Stanzillastahp
20:08.36FiskerNovember patch I guess
20:08.39Stanzillathis is the november security thing
20:08.39Stanzillayes
20:09.58FiskerLies
20:10.19FiskerNot Nexus 6 here
20:17.25Stanzillathe flashening
20:17.27Stanzillais happenning
20:32.17PrimerThe death of flash?
20:34.08Stanzillathat is next year
20:34.47Gnarfoz*decade
20:38.23nevcairielnow now not so negative Gnarfoz
20:39.13Stanzillahe is just mad that finally have the year of the linux desktop
20:39.16Stanzillahahahhah nope.
20:39.45Megalonyou mean the year of gnu hurd 8)
20:40.32Gnarfozall three of these are still in the "maybe" column of my "in my lifetime?" list (that I just made up)
20:40.49StanzillaI could say something mean now
20:40.51Stanzillabut I won't
20:41.21nevcairielhurds Stanzilla
20:45.49MegalonI'm sorry Stanzilla
20:45.54MegalonI never meant to hurd you
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21:18.45nevcairielGnarfoz: didnt you run nginx-rtmp with dash output? my dash.js doesnt seem to really work well with it :(
21:19.23Gnarfoznevcairiel: I used to, with clappr, but as you recall, in the end, my setup was so broken it didn't work for me at all :D
21:19.38Gnarfoz(it worked for others, but I had no way to verify anymore)
21:20.06Gnarfozactually, I think while it was using dash it worked better than at any other point, but the player was just really... clunky
21:20.22Gnarfozwhat are you using for dash, then? does jwplayer support it?
21:20.43nevcairielbeen trying to use native html5 playback with nothing but dash.js
21:20.47nevcairielbut its behaving...weird
21:21.05GnarfozI didn't try that, AFAIK, it used a flash thing
21:21.16nevcairielthe whole point is to get rid of flash :D
21:21.36nevcairielbut its playing in ..fragments http://chaos.1f0.de:8080/dash.html
21:22.32Gnarfozwell, https://github.com/shankardevy/clappr-dash-plugin/blob/develop/dist/assets/HLSPlayer.swf
21:22.46nevcairielmaybe i need a better dash.js version that likes nginx-rtmp more
21:22.50Gnarfozhttps://github.com/clappr/clappr/#supported-formats
21:23.02Gnarfoznot sure if that list is clappr-specific or generalized
21:23.40Gnarfozactually, that was HLS, not DASH, or how do these two relate
21:23.49nevcairielthey are not related
21:23.55nevcairielother than both being http-based streaming formats
21:24.02Gnarfoznow I'm not even sure anymore if I even tried both (I think so)
21:24.15Gnarfoztoo many late-night tinkerings
21:24.34nevcairielwhen nginx-rtmp got dash support, he promoted his own dash.js fork with improve live capabilities
21:24.38nevcairielbut that was like 2 years ago
21:24.51nevcairieli would've hoped upstream would have merged his PRs by now
21:24.55Gnarfoz(it's a shame nginx-rtmp is so dead, anyway)
21:25.05Gnarfozguess it works, but... meh
21:25.08Gnarfozcould be smoother :D
21:26.01nevcairiellets see if his old version works better
21:26.55nevcairielhm this doesnt play at all
21:27.34GnarfozI've got a commented out block of HLS directives, but no DASH
21:27.38Gnarfozshrugs
21:28.33nevcairiel13 days ago, bug report at dash.js upstream was updated, still live streaming not fixed
21:28.36nevcairielguess i'll stick to flash
21:33.55Gnarfozhm. I guess the auto-cleanup is broken? :D
21:34.02Gnarfozah, no, it's just slow
21:34.38Gnarfoza MSE-enabled browser
21:34.40Gnarfozwhat is that?
21:35.18nevcairielmedia source extension, ie. a way to feed media from javascript to the browser directly
21:35.32GnarfozI'm guessing Chrome qualifies?
21:35.57nevcairielsure
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21:36.40nevcairielwhich is how we can do this with just dash.js and no flash
21:36.54nevcairielie. a demuxer in javascript
21:37.33nevcairieli think all browser support it in their newest versions respectively
21:38.12nevcairielhm, except firefox apparently
21:38.17nevcairielmozilla is on the failtrain again
21:40.14nevcairielin any case i was just curious if it would work, its not like i really care
21:42.40Gnarfoznevcairiel: WFM? http://stream.hddf.eu/js.html :)
21:42.55Gnarfozor, well, hm
21:43.03Gnarfozno, just shows an initial image? :(
21:43.05nevcairieldoesnt seem to be outputting much of a video
21:43.36Gnarfozweird, the files are there
21:43.47nevcairielgeneration of the files seemed fine
21:43.50nevcairieli blame the js player
21:44.32Megalonso you are streaming win10 system sounds
21:44.41Gnarfozwait, you can hear the audio?
21:44.43Megalonwhat a bold strategy *foz, lets see if it pays of
21:44.56Megaloni thought why the fuck does my win do that fucking sound now
21:45.01nevcairieli dont hear any audio
21:45.04Megalonbut it's you stream
21:45.07Megalonthat is not centered
21:45.16nevcairielah now i heard some audio
21:45.23GnarfozI turned on some music
21:45.29Gnarfozso it's just video that's bad? curious
21:45.35nevcairielhm no music
21:45.38nevcairieljust some noise briefly
21:46.08Megalonhttp://i.imgur.com/bZkmceU.jpg
21:46.13Megalonthat's a nice layout you got
21:46.14nevcairielnow i briefly heard stuttering audio
21:46.20nevcairieldefinitely screwed
21:46.43Megalonthat fucking windows sound drives me nuts
21:46.46Gnarfozwell, I had the stream un-muted
21:46.47Megalonwtf are you doing
21:46.57GnarfozMegalon: not doing anything anymore, are you still hearing it? lol
21:47.03Gnarfozit's PuTTY's visual bell
21:47.09Gnarfozwell, no, the regular one, obviously
21:47.16Megalonit's the win10 visual bell
21:47.25Gnarfozit's whatever
21:47.30Megalonno clue i closed it
21:47.33Megalonbecause fuck that sound
21:47.34Gnarfoztab-completing on the shell and hitting the completion
21:47.49Gnarfozor trying to tab-complete somewhere where bash doesn't like it
21:48.11Gnarfozanyway, I had the stream un-muted locally, so at some point it might have recorded itself :P
21:48.31Gnarfozalso fuck your layout issues :D
21:48.40Gnarfozhttp://stream.hddf.eu/ is proper
21:49.41nevcairielthats the windows 10 bell?
21:49.46nevcairielgood that i turned that off before i heard it
21:50.08Gnarfozthe JS console is full of verbose javascript vomit
21:51.27Gnarfozit's actually spamming the console while the player is paused
21:51.29Gnarfozso... yeah
21:54.05Gnarfoznevcairiel: did you try with the full example further down the page?
21:54.19nevcairielwhat page
21:54.24Gnarfozhttps://github.com/Dash-Industry-Forum/dash.js
21:54.46nevcairielwhats about what I did, yes
21:55.00Gnarfozhm. I used the "easy" example a bit further up
21:55.21nevcairielnah mine looked morel ike that bottom thing
21:57.02Primerdamn, Champion's Honor is expensive as fuck on every realm
21:57.31nevcairielapparently something in the nginx-rtmp dash manifest isnt quite 100% right, which fucks over dash.js
21:58.22Primermy stream works with dash
21:58.32Gnarfozand your setup is...
21:58.43Primerbut not the updated one, only a very specific one I got from phelps
21:58.47nevcairielhe doesnt know, because he stole it =p
21:58.50Primernginix rtmp
21:59.02Gnarfozwhatever "the updated one" even refers to
21:59.10nevcairielnginx-rtmp doesnt really have any fancy options one could screw up
21:59.10Gnarfozyou're using an even older version of nginx-rtmp?
21:59.26nevcairielso its likely on the playback side
22:00.03Primerno, an older dash
22:00.19nevcairieli tried to use the version of dash.js the author of nginx-rtmp forked 2 years ago
22:00.21Primerhttp://stream.ceregatti.org/workdesk/html
22:00.24nevcairielbut that just didnt output anything
22:01.14nevcairielworking hard or hardly working, huh :P
22:02.21Primerit takes quite a while for it to buffer or something
22:02.29Primerit was working the other day
22:02.32Gnarfozit works
22:02.43PrimerI'm on Linux ATM
22:02.48Primerhence no sound
22:02.53Primerbecause OBS only uses pulse...
22:02.59GnarfozLinux audio: fucked forever
22:03.11Gnarfozat least you get OBS on Linux now, be thankful :p
22:03.20Gnarfozthat didn't even exist a year ago :D
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22:04.28Primerindeed
22:04.32Gnarfoznevcairiel: hey, using this style of integrating it gives a less spammy console... it still doesn't work, though
22:05.00PrimerI don't recall what version of nginx rtmp I'm on though. It's definitely not the latest and greatest
22:05.25Gnarfozwell, you've got to have the source somewhere
22:06.05PrimerThe source directory is dated Mar 23  2015
22:07.11nevcairieli tried to steal Primer's dash.js and even his html, but still no worky
22:07.17Gnarfoz:D
22:07.37Gnarfozbetter ask phelps, then, I guess
22:07.38Primerwell, I've verified that it's working. I'm looking at it now
22:07.41Gnarfozmaybe he knows the secret sauce
22:07.45Gnarfozso have we :p
22:08.05Gnarfoznevcairiel: it seems to know how long the stream has been going, that much I can tell from the console
22:08.28Gnarfozbut it gets totally confused after that
22:08.37GnarfozIndex for time 0 is -1
22:08.47GnarfozIndex for time 305.684 is -1
22:08.50Gnarfoz:D
22:09.08nevcairielI constatly get this
22:09.11nevcairieldash.min.js:4 Stalling video Buffer: video
22:09.11nevcairieldash.min.js:4 Stalling audio Buffer: audio
22:09.11nevcairieldash.min.js:4 Got enough video buffer to start.
22:09.11nevcairieldash.min.js:4 Got enough audio buffer to start.
22:10.01nevcairieland it keeps reloading the init segment
22:10.22Gnarfozcomparing Primer's manifest and mine
22:10.34Gnarfozthe filename format differs
22:10.38Primerit's hit and miss
22:10.46PrimerThe first time I loaded it, it failed
22:10.49Gnarfozmedia="$Time$.m4v"
22:10.49Gnarfozinitialization="init.m4v">
22:10.51Gnarfozvs
22:10.54Primerthen I reloaded the page and it worked
22:10.57Gnarfoz<PROTECTED>
22:10.57Gnarfoz<PROTECTED>
22:11.06nevcairielthat shouldnt make a difference
22:11.10Gnarfozmaybe, maybe not
22:11.19Gnarfozit does load the proper init piece, or it wouldn't show anything
22:11.19Megalonwhat time is it? gnarfoz-$Time$!
22:11.35Gnarfoz(actually, audio works the same way, and that does seem to work... so...)
22:11.43PrimerI really wish OBS had alsa support
22:12.29nevcairieli still dont get why it just doesnt do anything at all for me
22:12.30PrimerI also really wish pulse would either totally fucking work or just go away
22:12.34Gnarfoz<PROTECTED>
22:12.53PrimerWant to try bouncing it off my nginx?
22:12.56Gnarfozbut since it's able to display the init segment...
22:14.03nevcairieli can read Primer's security keys!
22:14.25Primerso go ahead and use the guest one that I just created
22:15.41PrimerI'm guessing you just saw it in the stream...
22:15.58Gnarfozit won't let me steal your manifest, CORS and stuff :D
22:16.15GnarfozI really didn't want to get into this, :D I wanted to play Overwatch! :P
22:16.26PrimerOverratedwatch
22:16.32Gnarfozpfff
22:16.56nevcairieldo you transcode in your nginx or is that straight from obs
22:17.36Primerstraight from obs
22:17.58Primerif you were referring to me
22:18.02nevcairielyes
22:18.07PrimerThe nginx box is at load 0.01
22:18.21PrimerSo I doubt it's doing any transcoding
22:18.26nevcairielnginx-rtmp hasnt really changed for over a year
22:18.28PrimerJust in case I was mistaken
22:19.04nevcairielmar 23 happens to be the latest commit to it (some compile fix)
22:21.03PrimerI have this library that allows skype to work without pulse
22:21.05Primerbut it's 32 bit
22:21.17Primerinstalls 32 bit obs
22:22.46Primermeh, dependency issues
22:23.23GnarfozPrimer: if you were transcoding, you'd know; there'd be ffmpeg in your process list
22:23.44Primersurely
22:24.02nevcairielI think i'll just let it be for now, I was just curious earlier if I could make it work, but one of the parts seems to malfunction .. dash.js and nginx-rtmp don't cooperate well
22:24.22Gnarfozshame :| particularly because it worked at some point, apparently :D
22:25.46Stanzillais hitbox flash or html5?
22:26.00Primerhttp://stream.ceregatti.org/nginx.conf
22:26.02Primerif that helps
22:26.17PrimerStanzilla: both
22:27.07PrimerI guess I don't need done.sh under the web root...
22:27.08Stanzillanevcairiel: ^why not use hitbox then?
22:27.40Gnarfozthe entire point is hosting it yourself
22:27.51Gnarfoz:D
22:27.55nevcairielindeed
22:28.14Gnarfoz(I do push my stream to hitbox in parallel, and a transcoded version to Twitch)
22:28.20Gnarfozit's just experimenting ^^
22:28.29Gnarfozseems to be flash for me, btw
22:28.33Stanzillaok because I did not see the use in doing it yourself
22:28.49Gnarfozdoing it yourself is the use, basically
22:28.50Gnarfoz:D
22:28.52StanzillaFOR SCIENCE is valid reason though
22:28.54nevcairielstreaming websites always have the power to shut you down
22:29.11Gnarfozhitbox is a lot better than Twitch because their limits (if they exist) are not as low
22:29.15nevcairielare you still banned on twitch? =p
22:29.31Stanzillano
22:29.33Gnarfozthey seem to use video.js btw
22:31.47nevcairielin any case, my current self-hosted streaming also has a far lower latency than I have seen on streaming websites
22:32.33GnarfozI like that there's people who post in the OW feedback forum that don't realize the game is 6vs6
22:32.44Gnarfozand say stuff like "all 10" or "all 5"
22:33.14Gnarfozhitbox is pretty close to my self-hosted one, too, but it's obviously one stage removed ^^
23:16.14Stanzillahttp://i.imgur.com/bnA0Oqp.png
23:16.15Stanzillaso close
23:16.46nevcairielso just do the last one
23:17.02Stanzilla207/243
23:17.07Stanzillabut yeah last of that part
23:17.20Stanzilladamn shields that are plastered on random building walls
23:17.23Stanzillatakes ages to find them
23:17.41Stanzillaoh that actually shows a bug
23:17.56StanzillaI have that completed but you have to navigate to the grid in question for the game to notice and place the checkmark <.<
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