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| 01:37.37 | quiescens | o.o |
| 01:41.41 | Stanzilla | flatlines quiescens |
| 01:51.55 | quiescens | dies. |
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| 04:26.53 | sylvanaar | Stanzilla: I like Uncharted, its like tomb raider for gay guys |
| 04:33.24 | Fisker | Same with consoles sylvanaar |
| 04:33.28 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 04:34.25 | sylvanaar | Yeah, now I see what everyone likes about tomb raider lol |
| 04:34.55 | quiescens | shoot things with arrows |
| 04:35.13 | quiescens | and lots of quick time? |
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| 06:07.59 | Stanzilla | sylvanaar: gameplay wise it looked even better than TR |
| 06:24.44 | quiescens | are you a combat archaeologist in uncharted too? |
| 06:25.38 | Stanzilla | <wa |
| 06:25.40 | Stanzilla | *yes |
| 06:26.16 | quiescens | combat archaeologist seems to be a surprisingly common profession |
| 06:26.32 | Stanzilla | in the video game industry, yeah |
| 06:26.43 | quiescens | movies too |
| 06:26.48 | Stanzilla | true |
| 06:26.52 | quiescens | well, movies/tv shows/etc |
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| 09:41.08 | Stanzilla | reshows Kesava |
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| 10:02.59 | Kesava | hides Stanzilla |
| 10:34.05 | Megalon | hey there |
| 10:34.06 | Megalon | http://i.imgur.com/EYqWLfz.gifv |
| 10:34.45 | Stanzilla | do I even want to know what that is |
| 10:36.25 | nevcairiel | thats a termite queen |
| 10:37.05 | Stanzilla | that's also disgusting |
| 10:37.29 | Megalon | TO THE HYDRAULIC PRESS! |
| 10:54.53 | Kalroth | it looks yummy |
| 10:55.17 | Kalroth | some grease and a minute on a hot pan |
| 11:03.17 | Megalon | juicy |
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| 11:40.51 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.55 | znf | status: One or more devices are configured to use a non-native block size. |
| 11:40.55 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.00 | znf | ...?!? it's a fresh new drive, wtf |
| 11:41.13 | znf | I added 2 of the same to the zfs pool, only one reports that |
| 11:59.14 | Kalroth | its adding one at a time |
| 11:59.34 | Kalroth | do zpool status and see if it's busy resilvering or summit |
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| 12:39.14 | znf | Kalroth, it's not, I've added them last week |
| 12:48.20 | Kalroth | oh, its just block size |
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| 13:41.48 | znf | Kalroth, yeah, but I don't get what "block size" is this about |
| 13:41.59 | znf | I've added the full physical device |
| 13:42.02 | znf | just like I added the other one |
| 13:42.08 | znf | why is it complaining about one but not the other? |
| 13:42.09 | Kalroth | it's the drive block size, it's been formatted incorrectly |
| 13:42.17 | znf | it was unformatted O.o |
| 13:42.21 | znf | brand new disk |
| 13:43.54 | Kalroth | are you sure it's one of the new ones it is complaining about? |
| 13:44.24 | znf | yup |
| 13:44.34 | Kalroth | https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/9-2-non-native-block-size-error.16883/ cyberjock made a good post about it |
| 13:44.40 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.41 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.50 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.55 | Kalroth | what does "zdb -C | grep ashift" show? |
| 13:46.17 | znf | # zdb -C | grep ashift |
| 13:46.17 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.27 | Kalroth | yeah, that's why |
| 13:46.51 | Kalroth | what OS are you running? |
| 13:47.01 | znf | FreeBSD |
| 13:47.10 | znf | 10.0 |
| 13:47.29 | Kalroth | ashift 9 = 512bytes, but your disks are 4k |
| 13:47.39 | Kalroth | well one of your disks .. :P |
| 13:48.04 | znf | http://pastebin.com/NtAv8agr |
| 13:48.05 | znf | how?! :D |
| 13:48.35 | znf | as you can see, both /dev/da16 and /dev/da8 are identical |
| 13:48.41 | znf | (these are the new drives) |
| 13:49.02 | Kalroth | yup |
| 13:49.37 | Kalroth | they're both 4096 byte sector sized and your system is configured to 512 byte sector size |
| 13:49.58 | Kalroth | so i think that one of the drives got formatted with system config, other one ignored system config |
| 13:50.43 | znf | http://pastebin.com/Q7dtHJAy |
| 13:51.00 | znf | :-/ |
| 13:51.52 | Kalroth | https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/44197/ |
| 13:52.02 | Kalroth | "On 4K drives, both ashift and alignment need to be correct, or the write speed will be half of what the hardware can do, or less." |
| 13:52.04 | Kalroth | welp! |
| 13:52.41 | znf | :-| |
| 13:52.50 | znf | so basically I have to partition them? |
| 13:52.51 | znf | god damn it |
| 13:53.05 | znf | I'm also clueless about freebsd... |
| 13:53.09 | znf | I've no idea wth is a gnop |
| 13:54.33 | Kalroth | check the freebsd link, they discuss reformatting etc. |
| 13:54.46 | Kalroth | oh you did |
| 13:54.56 | Kalroth | "gnop -- control utility for NOP GEOM class" |
| 13:54.57 | Kalroth | kek |
| 13:55.01 | Kalroth | how descriptive |
| 13:55.15 | Kalroth | "The gnop utility is used for setting up transparent providers on existing |
| 13:55.16 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.32 | Megalon | gnops Kalroth |
| 13:55.42 | znf | still no idea :D |
| 14:04.15 | znf | ah, Kalroth |
| 14:04.16 | znf | After a reboot, the nop device disappears, but all the ZFS data was written to ada1, so ZFS just sees it as if a device name changed. |
| 14:04.49 | znf | https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/44197/#post-245980 |
| 14:04.50 | znf | perfect |
| 14:05.19 | znf | I can afford to destroy the pool anyway |
| 14:05.22 | znf | I have backed up all the data |
| 14:11.44 | Megalon | noice |
| 14:11.53 | quiescens | o.o |
| 14:21.38 | Phixion | moo |
| 14:21.45 | quiescens | moo |
| 14:21.49 | quiescens | gives Phixion a cookie |
| 14:22.00 | Phixion | dies |
| 14:22.09 | quiescens | ): |
| 14:22.20 | quiescens | rez Phixion |
| 14:22.33 | Phixion | click accept |
| 14:22.39 | Phixion | o// |
| 14:22.40 | Phixion | \\o |
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| 14:48.08 | znf | Kalroth, so, I'm rebuilding the pool |
| 14:48.59 | znf | Kalroth, I have 19 drives, the old pool was raidz2 |
| 14:49.33 | znf | Out of those 19, I have 5 that are 2TB, rest are 1.5TB |
| 14:49.43 | znf | I also have 3x64GB SSDs |
| 14:50.12 | znf | What configuration should I do? I had 2 log devices and 1 cache device, and the rest of the 19 devices in the pool |
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| 15:35.09 | Fisker | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYg8NLcWzAg |
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| 16:36.25 | Funkeh` | so is bnet fucked for everyone else? I have 2 friends showing up as "Retrieving Details..." and they can't log on |
| 16:38.06 | Phixion | :-( |
| 16:38.09 | Phixion | not for me |
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| 17:05.45 | Repo | libbabble-subzone-3-0: 03arith 046.2-release2 * r178 : Tagging as 6.2-release2 |
| 17:10.10 | Stanzilla | nexus images time |
| 17:10.21 | quiescens | go sleep |
| 17:10.27 | quiescens | ^^ |
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| 18:05.56 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
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| 18:06.01 | Fisker | sauce? |
| 18:06.26 | znf | sriracha |
| 18:09.48 | znf | Stanzilla, what's with winbeta? |
| 18:09.57 | Stanzilla | http://www.winbeta.org/news/rebrand-winbeta-will-soon-msft |
| 18:10.01 | Stanzilla | and zac is leaving |
| 18:10.02 | Stanzilla | => Rip |
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| 18:17.58 | Stanzilla | http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=974444 |
| 18:18.10 | Stanzilla | Facebook stuff for every blizzard game |
| 18:24.17 | quiescens | moo? |
| 18:25.53 | Kalroth | znf: little late, but i'd either do a full mirror setup (well of the 18 drives at least :) - and i'd probably only use one SSD for ZIL and two for cache |
| 18:26.11 | Kalroth | or just a bunch of raidz2s |
| 18:26.50 | znf | I ended up doing 2 x raidz2 in the same pool + 1 hot spare |
| 18:27.34 | Kalroth | yeah, thats ok too, i would probably have stuck the 5x2TB in one raidz2 and made two more raidz2 out of the rest |
| 18:28.23 | znf | I don't need that much storage |
| 18:28.38 | znf | but at least I made it 4k |
| 18:28.43 | Kalroth | :D |
| 18:28.50 | znf | funny things |
| 18:29.05 | znf | I moved my zfs from one server to another, because the hdds on the original server were crashing |
| 18:29.08 | znf | I replaced all faulty drives |
| 18:29.11 | Fisker | They forgot to change the date on the security bulletin I think Stanzilla |
| 18:29.12 | znf | now I'm moving them back |
| 18:29.22 | znf | and the other server has faulty HDDs |
| 18:29.26 | Kalroth | it wasn't just them overheating? |
| 18:29.29 | znf | smart failure |
| 18:29.41 | Kalroth | i get HDD smart errors when my drives run too warm |
| 18:29.44 | Funkeh` | Stanzilla, looks awful |
| 18:29.51 | znf | reallocated_sector count? :) |
| 18:29.56 | Funkeh` | they don't need facebook for streaming lol |
| 18:30.05 | Kalroth | yes, anything above 45C will give me random bad blocks |
| 18:30.15 | znf | mine where 4+ years old |
| 18:30.17 | znf | so, meh :P |
| 18:30.37 | znf | plus, 2 of them actually took down the speed of the array to 10MB/sec |
| 18:30.47 | Kalroth | bad blocks will do that :) |
| 18:30.59 | znf | and dmesg was full of errors |
| 18:31.09 | znf | though I doubt I have cooling issues |
| 18:31.16 | znf | it's in a datacenter, after all :P |
| 18:31.17 | Kalroth | can check with smart |
| 18:31.23 | Kalroth | yeah, doesn't mean shit |
| 18:31.39 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: fb probably gave them the most money |
| 18:31.40 | Kalroth | i've seen expensive datacenters run by idiots |
| 18:31.47 | Stanzilla | but is probably the worst streaming platform :D |
| 18:32.01 | znf | Kalroth, it's the datacenter I work at... :P |
| 18:32.16 | Kalroth | znf: weeeeeeell you're not exactly helping yourself! |
| 18:32.20 | znf | :D |
| 18:32.24 | znf | nah, 26°C |
| 18:32.33 | znf | 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 074 056 045 Old_age Always - 26 (Min/Max 26/32) |
| 18:32.34 | znf | 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 026 044 000 Old_age Always - 26 (0 18 0 0 0) |
| 18:33.11 | znf | none of the disks are over 28°C |
| 18:33.32 | Kalroth | one of our customers ordered an expensive HP server, 192GB ram, dual xeon with lots of cores, etc. - they were going to use it as a database server and it worked fine, it was speedy and fast and all |
| 18:33.39 | Kalroth | until the day it died |
| 18:33.50 | Kalroth | turned out they had somehow managed to order raid 0 |
| 18:34.05 | Kalroth | and backup wasn't tested, etc. |
| 18:34.36 | Kalroth | so they had like 5-600GB of data running live on a single mechanical disk |
| 18:34.57 | Kalroth | http://full.pr0gramm.com/2016/06/06/55a302f1ff28e75d.jpg this comes to mind |
| 18:35.00 | quiescens | transfer everything to punchcards |
| 18:35.30 | quiescens | 45 degrees sounds like a silly failure temperature |
| 18:35.57 | quiescens | you could end up with an ambient temperature that high in many countries o.o |
| 18:36.09 | Kalroth | harddrives are pretty sensitive |
| 18:36.25 | znf | ouch |
| 18:36.31 | znf | I would honestly just do SSD |
| 18:36.55 | Kalroth | https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-temperature-does-it-matter/ backblaze doesn't even measure above 38C |
| 18:37.35 | Kalroth | znf: we got a development server running Unraid at work, its SSD cache works pretty well |
| 18:38.43 | Kalroth | but we run mirrored drives for main storage |
| 18:39.05 | Kalroth | it copies the commonly used virtual machines or docker images to a 500GB SSD |
| 18:39.13 | quiescens | shrugs |
| 18:39.17 | Kalroth | a little like L2ARC |
| 18:39.36 | Kalroth | quiescens: that's why datacenters can charge people $$$$ for decent cooling |
| 18:40.57 | quiescens | because they have banks and banks of densely packed hardware to keep cool? |
| 18:41.22 | quiescens | i still wouldn't expect random errors on consumer drives at 45 degrees |
| 18:42.08 | quiescens | or you would be getting errors every summer on people's computers anywhere that doesn't have air conditioning full time in various hot climates o.o |
| 18:42.28 | Kalroth | i'm sure they do |
| 18:43.03 | Kalroth | anyways, it was more of an anecdotal experience than exact science |
| 18:43.19 | Kalroth | i had 4 drives die in like 2 months before i fixed my temps |
| 18:43.45 | Kalroth | since then, none have reported errors and some are from the old batch |
| 18:44.09 | Kalroth | WD Green manual says max of 60C, but that's not for 24/7 |
| 18:46.39 | Megalon | puts quiescens at 60C |
| 18:46.45 | quiescens | dies. |
| 18:48.08 | Megalon | turns the heat up to 180C |
| 18:48.13 | Megalon | should be done in an hours |
| 18:48.17 | Megalon | -s :o |
| 18:48.23 | quiescens | ): |
| 18:48.37 | Megalon | y u take away mu lvl realmz |
| 18:54.51 | Kesava | where have they gone? |
| 18:57.32 | Megalon | the poofzt |
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| 20:31.48 | Kesava | asdhaoshd |
| 20:31.51 | Kesava | exporting interface art takes ages. |
| 21:39.46 | nevcairiel | it does |
| 21:39.50 | nevcairiel | its also quite a lot |
| 22:24.11 | Stanzilla | I totally forgot that google is now releasing the nexus OTAs on the page too |
| 22:38.50 | Primer | I got this on my LG v10: This device is suspected in rooting. Software update is not available for rooted devices. |
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| 22:43.48 | Stanzilla | did you root it? |
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| 23:14.34 | Gnarfoz | pretty normal |
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