IRC log for #wowace on 20161208

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05:35.24znfMegalon, I have some
05:36.00znfmy favorite flavor is raspberry
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07:06.49Myrroddini got chocolate chunk cookies. who wants some?
07:07.11Megalonno raspberry chunk ones?
07:07.17MegalonDISAPPOINTED!
07:07.27Myrroddini didn't see them. first ones i looked for :(
07:07.52Myrroddinhowever, i got raspberry yoghurt
07:10.18Megalonyo yo yo man
07:12.22Myrroddini love it when you pick an herb and another one immediately respawns right next to it
07:24.17Myrroddincan you use the pvp talents in pve? probably not...
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07:30.26znfhttp://i.imgur.com/Z7799eF.png
07:30.26znfwtf?
07:36.54Megalonstop hacking
07:38.47MyrroddinAlliance competing with Horde? who'd you bribe at blizzard for that?
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08:56.55Phixionmorning
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09:40.21Myrroddinsends quiescens a box of cookies
09:40.27quiescens\o/
09:42.09Myrroddinsends Torhal a fruit cake
09:44.46TorhalWhy would I want another Megalon, Myrroddin?
09:45.31Myrroddinbecause you like the first one? i dunno!
09:45.45Torhalfeeds Myrroddin to quiescens's cookies.
09:46.07quiescenscookie can't eat people o.o
09:46.19TorhalYou have Cookie Monsters, quiescens.
09:46.49Myrroddincarnivorous cookies?!?
09:48.48MyrroddinI don't remember. is aceGUI required for options tables?
09:49.09Myrroddinto display them in interface/addons, I mean?
09:50.11Myrroddinto use widgets like checkboxes and select?
09:53.18Myrroddinah, i found it. yes, it is required
10:36.25MyrroddinTorhal and the /reloadui sheesh. the things i do for users...
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13:17.29Myrroddinsigh. error messages that don't actually tell you where the error is are grrrr - worthy
13:20.20quiescenso.o
13:20.53Myrroddini have a nil error for a SV. trouble is, it IS defined, so i don't actually know where the problem lies...
13:22.56quiescens/blame torhal
13:25.44Myrroddinwant to take a look, see what you can spot in my code that is wrong?
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15:32.26MyrroddinI can't figure this error out. been working on it for 2 hours.
15:32.43Myrroddinif someone feels brave enough, here's the error code: https://www.wowace.com/paste/ac1afc95
15:33.51Myrroddinand the code chunk https://www.wowace.com/paste/a4b278e8
15:48.20PhixionC:\>_
15:49.17FiskerPS C:\>_
15:51.39nebulaMyrroddin: db.global.minimap or self.db.profile.global.minimap
16:07.09Myrroddinhang on, let me check. supposed to be self.db.global.minimap
16:07.53nebulathe missed a brace in your db definition then
16:07.57nebulayou*
16:08.24Myrroddina missing { or } ?
16:08.46nevcairielboth =p
16:08.59nevcairieljust one would be a syntax error
16:09.03Myrroddinuh oh. checking...
16:09.11nebula{ profile = {}, global = {} }
16:09.32nevcairieleither a variable is part of the profile, or not, but a global table inside the profile has no special meaning
16:09.47Myrroddinare you talking in my defaults, or my options table?
16:09.52nebuladefaults
16:10.59Funkeh`you wouldn't have a good time if someone set a global called defaults either
16:11.47Myrroddinanother bug? and I had one too many } in my defaults table
16:12.29nebulaprobably refactored from MyAddOnDB = MyAddOnDB or {} to pick up existing SVs
16:12.43Funkeh`I wouldn't say it was a bug, you probably copy pasted it from someone else without udnerstanding the intended goal
16:13.34Myrroddinwhere is the problem, and the fix?
16:14.51Funkeh`just remove "defaults or"
16:15.14Myrroddinokay. same with options or?
16:15.48Myrroddini thought that was good practice, reusing tables. or did i write it wrong?
16:16.46Funkeh`you're not reusing tables, what your code is doing is searching for a global variable called "defaults", failing to find it, and falling back to creating the table
16:16.47nebulayea, same with options
16:18.01silentium"a = a or {}" means "keep a if it already exists, otherwise initialize it as an empty table"
16:19.03Myrroddinokay, so i was coding it as "empty table or value" which is backwards?
16:19.22nebulawhereas local a = a or {} would not set an upvalue a, it would just use it and redeclare a in that scope
16:20.34Funkeh`in your GetIcon() function you're setting a global called "icon"
16:20.38Myrroddinand yes, i did get both of those snippets from somewhere else, and i don't remember where
16:20.42Funkeh`it should have "local" in front of it
16:20.49quiescensi blame torhal
16:21.45Myrroddinoh snap!
16:22.13Myrroddinfor both Torhal and the missing "local" .. which i did have before i rewrote that function. must have forgot it
16:22.54Myrroddinwill modules look silly in the options with childGroups = "tab" ?
16:23.17Funkeh`you tell us
16:23.17Myrroddinor can i still define module childGroups as "inline" and look okay?
16:23.35Myrroddinha ha, i guess i'll find out when I write a module then
16:24.53Myrroddinright, next question. i have modules enabled/disabled in Refresh() .. should I also have that in OnEnable/OnDisable, or call the function?
16:25.11Myrroddinmeaning, if the core addon is disabled, the modules are as well
16:25.15Myrroddinand vice versa
16:25.32Myrroddini'm a little vague on how that works, especially if the module is LoD
16:27.00nebulaif you disable the parent, the children get disabled aswell
16:27.31Myrroddini get that. i'm wondering if the disable code is in the correct place
16:27.41Myrroddinwhen the db is refreshed
16:28.55nebulasure, might want to call Refresh at the end of init
16:30.04Myrroddinat the end of OnInit, or in both OnE and OnD?
16:32.17nebulaenable if it makes sense (do you actually disable the base addon?), disable will disable everything, so that's a bit redundant
16:32.53nebulai guess you do
16:34.11Myrroddini was thinking a "master" disable kind of thing
16:35.09nebuladefault state is enabled, so the enabling in your oninit won't trigger onenable
16:36.14Myrroddinwait, what? say that again, please
16:37.58nebulaself:SetEnabledState(true) won't call your OnEnable during init, why i suggested adding Refresh there
16:41.44Myrroddinalright, added the Refresh() call to the end of OnInit
16:42.00nebulaor maybe it would, i guess i'm not sure when ace sets that stuff
16:42.27nebulaforcing an addon to enable before player_login is kind of awkward
16:43.30nevcairielenabling is processed after init, so if you change it during init its fine
16:43.54nevcairielalthough disabling of the main addon is really awkward either way
16:46.44Myrroddinnevcairiel well, you are the expert here. should i call Refresh at the end of OnInit, or in one/both or OnEnable/OnDisable?
16:47.08nevcairieli have no clue what refresh is
16:47.53FiskerI miss Stanzilla
16:47.53Myrroddinah, sorry. it got scrolled past. it is my DB callback
16:47.56nevcairielyou should understand your own code
16:48.03nevcairielif you dont, throw it away and start over
16:48.22quiescensnerf nevcairiel
16:50.16MyrroddinI know what my code is doing. i'm just trying to get what ace does and when
17:19.22StanzillaFisker: sup
17:19.44FiskerJust miss you is all
17:19.55Stanzillaaww
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17:21.07Myrroddingives cookies to EVERYBODY
17:21.26StanzillaFisker: he is trying to kill us
17:22.08FiskerD:
17:26.34Myrroddinthat's interesting. tried the import phrases on the localization app for a project, and "Sorry, an error occurred while processing your request."
17:27.47Stanzillavery interesting!
17:28.23Myrroddinsounds like a bug report. foiled again by you kids and that dog!!
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17:43.09MyrroddinI need more cookies. brb
17:44.53pompyughhhhh
17:45.05pompyNJ | Middlesex | East Brunswick | 21 Edgeboro Rd | Person trapped in a trash compactor.  NJ201
17:45.09pompyFD on location awaiting prosecutors office ME. Person was found deceased inside the compactor.
17:48.10Gnarfoztaking out the trash?
17:49.07TimmehOHAI
17:49.10Timmeh.o/
17:49.13Timmehspeaking of trash
17:49.14Timmehhere I am!
17:49.45Timmehjust reading back a bit
17:50.03TimmehMyrroddin: are you new to lua/addon development things? if so - do you have lua installed on your PC? if not I'd suggest to install it to make testing your code a lot easier
17:52.12Timmehnot sure about Windows versions (or even how to produce the exact same output on Windows), but this has made my search for accidental globals a lot easier:
17:52.22Timmeh`luac -l -p *.lua | grep '^\(\s.*[GS]ETGLOBAL\)'`
17:53.30Timmeh(that regexp could even be cleaned up, no need for those parantheses.. it just came from my shell history, guess I searched for other stuff in addition before)
17:53.59MyrroddinTimmeh I am just very, very rusty. to find globals, i use http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18309-WowGlobalFinderNOTANADDON.html
17:56.23TimmehI see
17:57.17Timmehbah, internet while in a moving train is so awful :-(
17:57.42Myrroddinit does see some globals, but they are all blizzard ones, and i don't redefine them, so all good
17:58.13MyrroddinI could add them to my upvalues
18:03.46Timmehyou could, I guess. less scope traversal = more efficient, but it's getting into details then :-P
18:03.54MyrroddinTimmeh besides being rusty at coding, I am also trying to write stuff I've never worked with thus far, like modules. I learn by doing, and will ask for help when i'm stuck
18:04.06Timmehall good
18:04.09Timmehwas just trying to help :-)
18:04.25Myrroddini appreciate all the help, believe me
18:04.43Timmehand having a lua compiler handy to test things quickly without relying on WoW makes things faster :-P
18:05.06Myrroddinwill it still work with wow-lua?
18:05.18Myrroddinthe apis that aren't native to Lua?
18:12.49Gnarfozfor syntax checking and global-finding, that doesn't really matter. it'll treat the wow api functions as globals, of course
18:13.18Gnarfozif you're using Atom by any chance, there's a collection of things, some of them by nebula, that can do all of this in real time inside the editor
18:13.36MyrroddinI have no idea what Atom is
18:19.19TimmehAtom's a pretty flexible text/source code editor
18:19.51Myrroddinah. i'm using MS code with the wow 7.1 api plugin
18:20.05Myrroddini was using notepad++ but giving this a whirl
18:20.29TimmehI've heard very good things about Atom, so if you're looking for an alternative at any point, definitely worth a try
18:20.46Timmehnumber of my colleagues switched to Atom from Sublime
18:20.52Timmehthey're all very happy
18:21.16nebulait's a bit slow to load, but you can pretty much do whatever you can think of with it
18:21.28nebulavs code is pretty similar
18:22.10Myrroddini am checking out atom now
18:23.54Myrroddini found a wow lua highlighter. not sure if it is autocomplete capable. more info needed
18:24.23Gnarfoznebula can probably hand you the links
18:25.03nebulaMyrroddin: no intellisense i don't think
18:25.31Myrroddinthat isn't critical anyway
18:30.32Myrroddinha, found an Atom script for Mikk's FindGlobals O_o
18:31.00nebulalook at the author :p
18:31.05Timmehjust try to find whatever nebula's username is, and get the things he made, I'm sure they're good :-P
18:31.37Myrroddinwow spell tips too
18:33.31Myrroddinnebula you crazy fewl!! writing three plugins for Atom...
18:35.38Myrroddinanyway, i need sleep, or i won't be capable of raiding tonight
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19:06.36Kesava_Stanzilla: !
19:14.14StanzillaKesava: sup
19:27.17Stanzillavs code is a lot faster than atom sadly
19:32.53StanzillaKesava: oh I see, thanks
19:33.07Kesava:D
19:33.43FiskerVs code is amazing
19:33.53FiskerAtom is the worst
19:34.49Funkeh`n++ stil does me fine
19:35.46Stanzillathats like saying "yeah I still shit in a bucket, never needed a proper toilet"
19:38.32Gnarfozexcept n++ is a proper toilet and Atom is an iLoo
19:38.52chosi<3 atom
19:39.33Funkeh`lol Gnarfoz
19:39.35Funkeh`well said
19:39.55Funkeh`I tried atom but had to install 100 addons to reclaim n++ functionality
19:40.01Funkeh`at which point it's sso damn slow
19:41.58Stanzillaits always slow
19:42.00Stanzillaeven without plugins
19:42.03Stanzillathat is the main problem
19:44.28Gnarfozelectron \o/
19:44.33Stanzillano
19:44.37Stanzillavs code is faster
19:44.39Stanzillalike way faster
19:44.47Gnarfozand it's also electron?
19:44.49Stanzillayes
19:44.58Gnarfozwell, they're still both JS garbage in my mind
19:44.58Gnarfoz:D
19:46.44Stanzillathe only reason why that mindset is still valid is speed though
19:47.13Stanzillaand obviously because electron is still a full browser install per app that uses it
19:47.15Stanzillabut eh
19:47.41Gnarfozwell, those are valid reasons
19:48.22Stanzillayup
19:49.04StanzillaI dont know how they would solve the second one though
19:49.13Stanzillawould end up being something like Adobe Air again
19:49.16Stanzillaand we know how that went
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20:00.36FiskerFight me
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20:02.52Gnarfozit went... mostly fine?
20:08.16Stanzillanope
20:08.20Gnarfozyes
20:09.09Stanzillanope
20:09.20Stanzillabeing stuck on some webkit version from 2002 or so is not "fine"
20:09.25Gnarfozwebkit... air?
20:09.26Gnarfozwhat
20:10.12Gnarfozso what?
20:11.02Stanzillaok so you have no clue, case closed :D
20:11.10Gnarfozexplain the problem
20:11.34Gnarfozsomehow, wcl client uses 64mb
20:11.37Gnarfoznot half a gigabyte
20:11.40GnarfozI'd call that "fine"
20:11.42Gnarfoz(and that's AIR)
20:12.22Gnarfozand it's not slow either :shrug:
20:14.13Stanzillaair's html engine is super old and therefore does not support newer features
20:15.59Gnarfozwell, I guess it's a conceptual problem: desktop programs shouldn't need HTML features. :P
20:16.14nevcairielif those features intrinsicly mean it has to use a gigabyte of memory, thats a problem =p
20:16.26Stanzillait does not
20:16.54Gnarfozit seems it does
20:16.59Gnarfozlooking at Slack, Discord, Curse
20:17.33Stanzillajust because electron does it that way doesnt mean it has to be that way
20:18.35Gnarfozwell, it looks like we're at an impasse :P
20:19.13FiskerFight fight fight
20:20.59nebulaobviously vim in the answer
20:22.27StanzillaMS is already working on their own electronish thing
20:22.54Funkeh`cross platform right?
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20:24.05Stanzillayes
20:24.22nebulasomething other than vs code? what for
20:24.58Stanzillathey use electron/node for more than just vs code
20:26.00nebulasuch as
20:26.10StanzillaMS Teams
20:26.12Stanzillathe VS installer
20:27.00nebulaso random shit, what "own electronish thing" where you referring to
20:27.17FiskerElectron is a framework
20:27.28FiskerSo of course it's random shit
20:27.34Stanzillatheir JS enngine is already open source and ready
20:27.43Stanzillaso its just missing the html engine part
20:27.58FiskerLike saying somebody is creating their own Java and you ask if you mean their own Minecraft
20:28.47nebulamore like someone saying they're creating their own java, i ask to elaborate, and they say minecraft
20:28.54nebuladoesn't answer what their own java is
20:29.03Stanzillaits not public yet
20:29.29Fisker"MS is already working on their own electronish thing"
20:29.33Fisker"something other than vs code? what for"
20:29.35Stanzillahttps://github.com/nodejs/node-chakracore is the first step
20:29.54FiskerExactly what I said, nothing to do with what you said
20:34.50Funkeh`look at this pointless drama
20:35.49FiskerLook at it Funkeh` LOOK AT IT
20:36.34nebuladrama?
20:37.34Stanzillalook man
20:37.39StanzillaI just want nebula to push some branches
20:37.53nebulanot until someone changes my slug back
20:38.06nevcairielwhy did you change your slug in the first place
20:38.32Stanzilla'tard
20:38.34nebulai didn't, i changed the project title and it changed the slug
20:39.04FiskerWhy are you mean?
20:40.57Stanzillafreeze all motor functions
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21:29.45Gnarfozanalysis
21:30.05pompyrip john glenn
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