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| 08:23.19 | quiescens | moo |
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| 09:23.48 | znf | woah Stanzilla https://twitter.com/xiaomi/status/836462283505033217 |
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| 09:43.29 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/bmx4eFf.png nah, wowhead ads being out of control is not true/a conspiracy/just haters hating |
| 09:48.41 | wink | hehe |
| 09:49.57 | wink | then again, did anyone ever give ZAM money? :P |
| 09:50.23 | wink | I always wonder why that is the endless cycle |
| 09:50.57 | wink | fansite, self-funded, gets too big, has too many costs, gets bought out, needs more money, has more ads, stops being relevant |
| 09:51.36 | wink | why do the game companies never have 'good enough' sites like wowhead? |
| 09:51.55 | wink | (if you're in for the infos and guides, not the forums, necessarily) |
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| 10:04.04 | quiescens | most game companies seem to operate on a "hide as much game info as we can" strategy |
| 10:04.58 | quiescens | even if the players will work out the numbers on things in less than a day |
| 10:06.17 | wink | yeah. but I wonder wha\y |
| 10:07.36 | quiescens | shrugs |
| 10:09.11 | wink | free shrugs \o/ |
| 10:09.17 | quiescens | o.o |
| 10:09.21 | quiescens | gives wink a cookie |
| 10:09.28 | wink | omnomnom |
| 10:20.30 | Gnarfoz | it was Wowhead who started buying out others before being bought themselves, no? i.e. I don't think they did it out of a lack of resources |
| 10:21.08 | Gnarfoz | (I'm too fed up with the topic to make a proper timeline ^^) |
| 10:22.28 | Gnarfoz | wowdb has better data anyway, because they have more data contribution via Curse app offering to do wowdb data collection |
| 10:22.59 | Semlar | how did they make money when they started |
| 10:23.52 | Gnarfoz | good question. they probably didn't? or maybe they had more reasonable ads. |
| 10:23.56 | Gnarfoz | https://twitter.com/MachinePix/status/835920423191601152 |
| 10:26.29 | Semlar | how much ad revenue does a website even with as much traffic as wowhead generate |
| 10:26.49 | Semlar | i'm having a hard time understanding how any website actually makes money |
| 10:29.43 | wink | Gnarfoz: maybe strictly better data, but for me the comments and stuff were mostly more impotant |
| 10:30.33 | wink | so if it has 90% of the items, quests etc with a reasonable community.. beats 99.9% of good data |
| 10:37.42 | Semlar | what if you have 0% of the content but 100% of the comments |
| 10:38.26 | wink | there's a certain tipping point when I would write a browser extension to first lookup site a, then b |
| 10:38.35 | wink | I suspect it's around 40-75% |
| 10:38.50 | wink | below 40% I'd switch b and a ;) |
| 10:45.54 | Semlar | i think i must be underestimating how much ads are worth |
| 10:48.41 | znf | Semlar, to put it into context |
| 10:49.06 | znf | my aunt has a website with just adsense, when I last checked, for about 2mil visitors/month she was making around ~2000â¬/mo |
| 10:49.29 | znf | that's just adsense revenue |
| 10:49.32 | Semlar | that's a lot of visitors |
| 10:49.50 | znf | she's doing a lot better now |
| 10:49.57 | znf | that's not unique visitors |
| 10:50.10 | znf | it's probably more like "visits" rather than visitors |
| 10:50.36 | znf | whichever fancy way google analytics measures |
| 10:50.56 | Semlar | well there's page views and there's unique visitors |
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| 10:52.04 | Semlar | my website which isn't linked from anywhere actually gets a surprising number of hits from crawlers |
| 10:54.16 | Semlar | and i don't really want them caching things while i'm working on it, i should update the robots file |
| 10:54.28 | quiescens | block them all |
| 10:55.15 | Gnarfoz | just take down the website |
| 10:55.21 | Semlar | :( |
| 10:55.23 | Gnarfoz | or enforce an obscure TLS algorithm |
| 10:55.29 | quiescens | /pat semlar |
| 10:56.03 | Gnarfoz | wink:Â sure, but that's the most infuriating thing, too... "the girls" like to pass the user-contributed content off as "Wowhead's content" |
| 10:56.44 | Gnarfoz | and I meant my comment as "if wowhead ceases to be, or to be "the thing", then we could possibly have wowdb's nicer data w/ nice comments" |
| 10:57.00 | Semlar | it'll need an edgier theme though |
| 10:57.10 | Gnarfoz | it'll need a bunch of things |
| 10:57.10 | wink | Gnarfoz: well, discussion is then who owns the comments |
| 10:57.20 | Gnarfoz | they probably don't care as much because they have lower visitor numbers |
| 10:57.22 | wink | and sadly I think they won't be CC :P |
| 10:57.50 | Gnarfoz | new comments can be posted on wowdb, I didn't want to imply piracy |
| 10:59.10 | Gnarfoz | ZAM's ToS say user-submitted content remains theirs |
| 10:59.44 | Gnarfoz | didn't actually expect that, but maybe their lawyers were smart enough to realize that "if you submit it, we own it" doesn't work in all jurisdictions |
| 11:00.09 | wink | Gnarfoz: I know, as expected. I dont blame them either |
| 11:00.19 | wink | Gnarfoz: but MY days of actively contributing are long past |
| 11:00.34 | wink | so I would not re-emerge in the wow community as an active member, regardless of which site |
| 11:00.49 | wink | I did my share of wowwiki, then wowpedia, then wowhead :P |
| 11:01.27 | wink | I just think if I ever had a successful fansite, I'd try to get everything CC-licensed |
| 11:01.57 | Gnarfoz | that'd probably be easier on your conscience |
| 11:02.02 | wink | but then again who would know if I was offered MEELLIONS |
| 11:02.11 | wink | yeah. conscience is a bitch |
| 11:02.13 | Gnarfoz | it would also mean that if your site sucks, it'd be easier to create a clone that doesn't |
| 11:02.32 | Gnarfoz | which is good for users and terrible for you if you want $$$ |
| 11:02.39 | wink | I know |
| 11:02.48 | wink | but I suck at the capitalsm game anyway |
| 11:02.49 | Gnarfoz | at some point, you need $$$, though, cf. Semlar's comment above |
| 11:03.03 | Semlar | money can be used for goods and services |
| 11:03.10 | Gnarfoz | Lisa needs braces? |
| 11:03.26 | Semlar | semlar needs a new car |
| 11:03.34 | Semlar | how many ads do i need to make that happen |
| 11:03.46 | Gnarfoz | about... three fiddy |
| 11:03.46 | Megalon | a single one |
| 11:03.56 | Megalon | that install one of those encryption trojans |
| 11:03.57 | Megalon | :) |
| 11:04.00 | Semlar | can i make the whole page an ad or do i need to include space for content |
| 11:04.19 | Gnarfoz | I would suggest asking experts, but I don't wowhead are the right people |
| 11:04.28 | Semlar | i think they might be |
| 11:04.44 | Gnarfoz | include a new identity in your calculation |
| 11:05.03 | Gnarfoz | so you don't have to be remembered as that guy with the horrible ads |
| 11:05.17 | Megalon | just ask znf to grab 5 romanian girls off the streets for you |
| 11:05.28 | Megalon | and have them... errrrr.... webchat with people! |
| 11:05.39 | Gnarfoz | (I've said this before, but I find it funny when people say they want Thottbot back, or Allakhazam back or whatever, without realizing what their actual fate was) |
| 11:05.57 | Gnarfoz | http://www.semla.ro |
| 11:06.10 | Megalon | it's down |
| 11:06.14 | Megalon | that's the problem! |
| 11:06.19 | Semlar | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semla mm semla |
| 11:06.39 | Gnarfoz | laskiaispulla nom nom |
| 11:06.44 | Semlar | "A typical semla" |
| 11:06.47 | Gnarfoz | Suomi is just so weird |
| 11:07.54 | znf | Semlar, actually the default view seems to be "session" |
| 11:08.08 | znf | so, I guess, 2mil sessions/mo ~= 2000⬠|
| 11:09.01 | Semlar | do i need a webcam to get 2 million views a month |
| 11:09.36 | Gnarfoz | no, you need a low-cut tank top |
| 11:10.05 | Semlar | how about a V neck undershirt |
| 11:11.02 | Gnarfoz | that just qualifies you for daytime scripted reality tv |
| 11:11.08 | znf | Semlar, no |
| 11:11.26 | znf | she dealt with disability laws in greece |
| 11:11.48 | znf | but if you would fancy yourself some tits and a webcam, you can be like this romanian girl that got a $5000 tip in one night on Chaturbate |
| 11:12.59 | Semlar | i don't know if anyone would pay to watch me sit around with a cat on my lap watching netflix and writing code |
| 11:13.24 | znf | hands some dildos to Semlar |
| 11:13.25 | znf | here |
| 11:13.40 | wink | lol |
| 11:13.51 | wink | chaturbate is an awesome name |
| 11:14.09 | Semlar | that's what i was going to call my website but it was already taken |
| 11:14.29 | znf | wink, yup |
| 11:14.50 | znf | kudos to whoever came with that name, it's brilliant |
| 11:14.59 | Semlar | plus i guess it doesn't really fit the theme of a gaming site |
| 11:15.21 | znf | Semlar, well, it is if you collect all the attention-whores on twitch :D |
| 11:15.33 | Semlar | kappa |
| 11:15.45 | Semlar | kappurbate? |
| 11:16.09 | znf | I don't get the memes/references around twitch |
| 11:16.25 | Semlar | good news, it isn't taken |
| 11:16.32 | Gnarfoz | kappabait? |
| 11:16.45 | Semlar | plus there's an 88 cent sale on kappurbate.club |
| 11:17.07 | Gnarfoz | twitch.kappa |
| 11:17.07 | znf | I'm still impressed by the amount of money these girls make on chaturbate |
| 11:17.20 | Gnarfoz | prostitution is the oldest profession |
| 11:17.37 | znf | yeah, but the ones I'm talking about that are raking in big money barely take their clothes off |
| 11:18.08 | znf | this one that get $5000 in a tip doesn't show her boobs at all since she got her implants |
| 11:18.26 | Semlar | seems like a waste |
| 11:18.28 | znf | there's another brunette chick who doesn't get undressed in public at all, and she doesn't do private shows |
| 11:19.04 | wink | for not getting the memes you seem to be very involved |
| 11:19.18 | znf | I don't think I'll understand how the tippers think, but I guess one has shitloads of money laying around to give away that much money |
| 11:19.44 | znf | wink, I don't get the twitch memes |
| 11:19.49 | znf | I follow chaturbate people! |
| 11:19.54 | wink | ah |
| 11:20.07 | znf | Hmmm, wait, I never done the math on how much that guy actually paid |
| 11:20.15 | Semlar | one of the episodes of vampire detective had a guy who was donating big money to streamers and then killing them |
| 11:20.17 | znf | 100.000 tokens means $5000 to the model ($0.05/token) |
| 11:20.47 | znf | But the buyer gets 500 tokens for $44.99 |
| 11:20.55 | znf | >math calc 100000/500 * 44.99 |
| 11:20.55 | Catal1na` | 8998 |
| 11:21.08 | znf | So, $9000? |
| 11:21.14 | wink | Chaturbate is a portmanteau of chat and masturbate. |
| 11:21.17 | wink | thanks, wikipedia |
| 11:21.17 | Gnarfoz | it's... not over 9000 |
| 11:21.29 | Semlar | just under 9000 |
| 11:21.46 | Semlar | it's not meme worthy |
| 11:21.48 | znf | Maybe they do get some sort of bigger packages of tokens to buy if they are verified/validated |
| 11:21.58 | Semlar | heh |
| 11:22.48 | Semlar | bigger packages |
| 11:23.08 | znf | Also, Chaturbate rolled support for OBS Studio recently (still in beta tough) |
| 11:23.11 | wink | Most comments are respectful, but âevery so often you find out which chatters are masturbating along,â reveals Rebecca. |
| 11:23.16 | wink | I can't stop laughing |
| 11:23.30 | znf | wink, I'm following it for entertainment purposes to be fair |
| 11:23.41 | znf | mostly trying my detective skills as to which girls are romanian |
| 11:23.54 | Semlar | i think znf might be a serial killer |
| 11:23.56 | wink | theres this article linked on the wikipedia page |
| 11:24.47 | Semlar | hang on, let's talk about the resolution of this screenshot though http://i.imgur.com/bmx4eFf.png |
| 11:25.04 | znf | dear god |
| 11:25.16 | Semlar | who took this |
| 11:25.40 | znf | ...on what did he take that |
| 11:25.48 | znf | like, what could possibly have that size of a viewport |
| 11:25.56 | znf | ...how |
| 11:26.00 | Semlar | a movie theater projector |
| 11:26.08 | Gnarfoz | 3 screens |
| 11:26.15 | Gnarfoz | browser not maximized? |
| 11:26.36 | Gnarfoz | or rather, screenshot not covering the full height |
| 11:26.46 | Semlar | i have a vertical monitor that i prefer to use for browsing websites, i can't imagine using something with that aspect ratio |
| 11:27.01 | Gnarfoz | mh... maybe it's just one of those silly high dpi displays like foxlit uses |
| 11:27.09 | Gnarfoz | where screenshots end up being hyuuge |
| 11:27.44 | znf | but that ratio... |
| 11:27.48 | Semlar | i like more vertical space for my browser, not some crazy wide screen format |
| 11:28.35 | Gnarfoz | znf:Â it's a crop, clearly, so the ratio is not that |
| 11:28.37 | Semlar | i'm assuming it's 3 monitors, but why would you extend something across them like that |
| 11:28.51 | Gnarfoz | yeah it's probably not |
| 11:29.06 | Semlar | one giant monitor? |
| 11:29.17 | znf | >math calc 1920x2 |
| 11:29.17 | Catal1na` | Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) |
| 11:29.20 | Gnarfoz | doesn't need to be giant to be high-dpi |
| 11:29.21 | znf | >math calc 1920*2 |
| 11:29.21 | Catal1na` | 3840 |
| 11:29.24 | znf | ...why did I do that |
| 11:29.38 | Gnarfoz | because you're you? |
| 11:29.39 | Semlar | oh it could just be 2 monitors i guess |
| 11:29.44 | znf | nah |
| 11:29.47 | znf | it's one of those ultra-wide monitors |
| 11:29.54 | znf | which is 2 * 1920 / 1080 |
| 11:30.03 | Gnarfoz | it probably is 21:9 |
| 11:30.21 | Gnarfoz | or simply 16:9 UHD and there's a bunch of height missing. |
| 11:30.39 | znf | there are 32:9 monitors |
| 11:31.10 | Gnarfoz | they need to stop, or people will confuse those numbers with the contrast numbers |
| 11:31.33 | Semlar | i don't think they have any problem confusing customers |
| 11:31.40 | Gnarfoz | they don't need help, no |
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| 14:25.20 | znf | https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/02/new-10-raspberry-pi-zero-comes-with-wi-fi-and-bluetooth/ |
| 14:25.20 | znf | nice |
| 14:25.29 | znf | wish I had some use for it :-S |
| 14:27.13 | Gnarfoz | so why'd you call it nice |
| 14:27.20 | Gnarfoz | if it's literally useless |
| 14:27.21 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 14:39.01 | znf | because it's nice hardware! |
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| 14:39.48 | wink | depends on your use case |
| 14:39.59 | wink | MBPs are also nice hardware |
| 14:40.10 | wink | still useless :P |
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| 18:02.24 | nevcairiel | the zero is way too low spec for my taste |
| 18:03.03 | nevcairiel | i suppose its nice if you need a really really tiny device, and a normal pi is already too big =p |
| 18:16.37 | Funkeh` | "Ryan Sleevi from Google proposed a change in the CA/Browser forum that would limit the lifetime of certificates to 398 days. This would allow it to deploy changes in the certificate ecosystem faster. However, the proposal wasn't welcomed by most certificate authorities: 24 voted against it, only Letâs Encrypt supported it." |
| 18:16.42 | Funkeh` | niiiice |
| 18:17.13 | Gnarfoz | Google only cares about their very own use-cases |
| 18:17.16 | Gnarfoz | so does LE |
| 18:17.20 | Gnarfoz | news at 11 |
| 18:17.51 | Gnarfoz | yo nevcairiel, you broke suf |
| 18:17.56 | nevcairiel | wfm |
| 18:18.03 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: https://haste.smb.wtf/amodicecuzobufomipagiqimedunuz |
| 18:18.05 | quiescens | o.o |
| 18:18.12 | Gnarfoz | apparently when someone joins the group |
| 18:19.48 | quiescens | nerf gnarfoz |
| 18:20.34 | Gnarfoz | also on spec switch |
| 18:20.52 | znf | Gnarfoz, well, they do have a point |
| 18:21.05 | znf | unfortunately reconfiguring devices so often, in our case, is a pain |
| 18:21.27 | znf | and not every device, for example, has an API/CLI interface to do that :-/ |
| 18:21.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm not disputing the validity of "shorter lifetime = faster adoption of new mandatory standards", they just conveniently ignore what that might mean for people in the real world |
| 18:22.09 | znf | heck, on my multiflex server chasis, I can't even change the fucking certificate |
| 18:22.27 | Gnarfoz | their reply would be "replace it, then" |
| 18:22.37 | znf | I wish :D |
| 18:26.11 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: should possibly be fixed |
| 18:36.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: did you change the same thing in BT4? |
| 18:36.42 | Gnarfoz | i.e. something with animations/timers |
| 18:36.50 | Gnarfoz | because I'm suddenly lacking stack numbers |
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| 18:46.06 | Gnarfoz | they appeared at combat begin |
| 18:51.59 | Gnarfoz | mh, "addons cpu usage" is not great |
| 18:52.22 | Gnarfoz | also, my fps stutter happened during Etraeus when nothing died |
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| 18:52.43 | Gnarfoz | also, Hekili was using 50% of the cpu time alone |
| 18:58.28 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: NO |
| 18:58.30 | nevcairiel | woops |
| 18:58.32 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:59.42 | nevcairiel | bt4 has never used animation timers |
| 19:01.43 | Gnarfoz | then idk |
| 19:01.46 | Gnarfoz | there was no error either |
| 19:01.51 | Gnarfoz | I had just reloaded earlier |
| 19:09.16 | Gnarfoz | imgur dead/derpy for just me |
| 19:09.32 | Stanzilla | S3 is down atm |
| 19:09.53 | Fisker | You are |
| 19:10.07 | Gnarfoz | S3 is down? that seems unlikely |
| 19:10.33 | Gnarfoz | imgur only on us-east-1? |
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| 19:47.40 | Primer | imgur is always fucked up |
| 19:48.06 | Primer | The other day I was getting images from the fp in /nsfw |
| 19:48.18 | Primer | Imagine if that had been the other way around? |
| 19:54.51 | Primer | yeah, imgur is totally hosed |
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| 20:28.07 | Ressy | ./s/imgur/everything |
| 20:29.01 | Stanzilla | like I siad, it's aws |
| 20:29.38 | znf | the irony is that http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/ is down |
| 20:30.28 | znf | thank fuck Route53 doesn't seem to be affected |
| 20:30.32 | Primer | Our shit's at us-east... |
| 20:30.50 | Ressy | Stanzilla: I know. :P |
| 20:31.22 | znf | The Verge has managed to write _3_ articles on this topic |
| 20:31.28 | znf | quality journalism |
| 20:34.26 | Fisker | I was being a jerk on the internet instead of worrying about aws |
| 20:35.28 | Fisker | Someone asking if DDR4 fit in AM4 sockets like LGA1151 and I told him it fit neither |
| 20:35.34 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 20:35.53 | znf | well, you are technically correct |
| 20:35.58 | Fisker | Yes |
| 20:36.04 | Fisker | That's why I said it |
| 20:36.57 | Fisker | Oh I wonder if the new Google update is why my launcher didn't work earlier |
| 20:38.15 | Stanzilla | you mean this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/5wiew1/pixel_launcher_was_on_my_stock_6p_for_a_few/ |
| 20:38.22 | Fisker | I wonder where Torhal went |
| 20:38.33 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 20:38.51 | Fisker | I had an issue with the launcher being empty |
| 20:39.09 | Fisker | So all I had was the wallpaper and notification bar |
| 20:40.25 | Stanzilla | I saw the new nokia phones have the pixel launcher |
| 20:40.30 | Stanzilla | so I guess that is what is happening |
| 20:42.35 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 20:42.58 | Fisker | Kind of cool |
| 20:43.15 | Fisker | AOSP has lacked support |
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| 20:44.25 | Stanzilla | in other news, intel extreme tuning thingy restarts your PC when setup is done instead of asking |
| 20:45.40 | Fisker | On my list of favourite things that shit ranks about the same as pop-ups while typing |
| 20:46.01 | Stanzilla | yeah focus stealing is high up the chain |
| 20:46.35 | znf | Huawei's P10 Plus looks nice, even hardware-wise |
| 20:46.41 | znf | except that stupid antenna-iphone-like |
| 20:46.53 | znf | that striped back |
| 20:47.59 | znf | I do wonder how their dual-camera works |
| 20:48.17 | znf | having a 20MP camera for black&white and 13MP for color |
| 20:49.43 | znf | but the price is a turn-off :-/ |
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| 22:00.46 | Stanzilla | http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/02/28/youtube-tv-official-includes-40-networks-35month/ |
| 22:05.42 | Fisker | I wonder if that integrates on android TV |
| 22:05.55 | znf | meanwhile, the Android TV ecosystem is still crap :-/ |
| 22:14.08 | pentium166 | meanwhile, you can't even get youtube red in canada yet |
| 22:17.55 | Gnarfoz | can't get it here, either |
| 22:38.30 | nevcairiel | we germanos get all the things late |
| 22:39.03 | nevcairiel | not that I would be interested in youtube tv, because it would carry german tv stations, and those suck =p |
| 22:41.09 | nevcairiel | not to mention that HD broadcast TV is cheaper then $35 around here |
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| 22:46.54 | nevcairiel | surprisingly cheap even, 4⬠per month to get HD on top of my basic SD thing I already pay with my apartment rent |
| 22:47.41 | znf | I didn't get cable option here |
| 22:47.43 | znf | didn't want it |
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