IRC log for #wowace on 20170608

00:05.58znfStanzilla, some replacement for Microsoft Hyperlapse?
00:06.03znfSomething from this year, maybe?
00:06.34Stanzillagoogle photos does some stabilizing but nope, hyperlapse still good
00:08.40znfnot really, won't save to my SD
00:08.41znfno idea why
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00:46.01znfmy phone just shut off :(
00:46.07znfhigh temperature detected while playing a game
01:08.10Stanzillaxd
01:32.04znfyour account is on hold because of a problem with your last payment
01:32.11znfI'm gonna need to bitchslap the account owner
01:32.38znfnow what am I going to do with my night at 4:30 in the morning if netflix doesn't work? >_<
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03:43.09FiskerPay for your shit znf
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09:52.02Gnarfoznevcairiel: bt4 options mention "ButtonFacade" on the "zoom" checkbox
09:52.07Gnarfozthat should probably be Masque
09:52.47nevcairielthese shits get replaced faster then you can make sense of them :p
09:53.41Gnarfozwhat was it before it was ButtonFacade? I forgot
09:57.27nevcairielthe main annoyance is that buttonfacade -> masque was only done because someone didnt like the name
10:10.30Gnarfoznevcairiel: also, do you include BagBrother in Inventorian's zip?
10:10.39Gnarfoz(I wouldn't know where else it came from just now)
10:10.49Gnarfozif so, its TOC is outdated
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10:47.49znfFisker: no
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10:48.32znfThere's no incentive for me to pay for my own Netflix. I don't use it that much
10:52.53Bluspacecow\o
10:54.13BluspacecowI would consider cutting mine for the 2 months till Defenders is out
10:54.35Bluspacecowbut it's only $15 which is like the price for a lunch to me. So like 2 lunchs *shrug*
11:02.26Gnarfozhmmm
11:02.50Gnarfozis the command prompt thing (shift-f10) available on the windows 10 installer usb thing?
11:21.45Gnarfozgreat, looks like I can start over setting up my new work laptop
11:22.46Gnarfozsetting DEP to OptOut is effectively changing a boot setting, Bitlocker monitors those, so you have to enter the recovery key (no idea why just the PIN isn't acceptable)
11:23.15Gnarfozmaking sure that you've saved the recovery key to 3 locations and printed it isn't good enough though, when it simply asks for a different key that you don't have
11:23.17Gnarfozwtf
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12:38.01Gnarfozluckily, Bitlocker doesn't seem to care about timestamps
12:38.28Gnarfozbcdedit /set {identifier} nx optin and my PIN worked again
12:52.37nevcairielGnarfoz: i tell the packager to do that, cant really fix the toc without forking it, and i'm lazy =p
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14:12.25Phixionhttps://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2017/06/msg00004.html
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14:19.43Gnarfoznevcairiel: where is it from, actually? I can't even seem to find it
14:20.35nevcairielyour google-fu must be on vacation
14:20.37nevcairielhttps://github.com/Jaliborc/BagBrother
14:21.42nevcairieli could probably just copy paste it in w ith corrected toc
14:26.21znfwhat the fuck Phixion
14:33.11GnarfozPhixion: I mean... https://www.massdrop.com/buy/z70-mechanical-keyboard?1=1&utm_placement=0&referer=49SPF8&mode=guest_open ok, but why the fuck would I want the connector THERE?
14:34.17nevcairielit looks like an antenna
14:34.27nevcairielalso, you need to go to keyboard rehab
14:36.44Gnarfozmaybe
14:36.55GnarfozI've not bought one for over a year now! :D
14:37.02Gnarfozhttps://github.com/Jaliborc/BagBrother/pull/3 there
14:37.07nevcairielyou still have some on the way though
14:37.15nevcairielor at least caps
14:37.15Gnarfozyep still waiting on that Wooting One
14:37.32Gnarfoznah, no caps either, although those are harder to resist because of the lower price
14:37.52PhixionGnarfoz: stupid, might look alright if it wasn't a 90deg cable but then it would fuck with lefthanders
14:38.09Phixionactually nah
14:38.12Phixionits just stupid
14:38.31Gnarfozhehe
14:38.32Phixionznf: > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
14:39.17znfPhixion, yes
14:39.19znfI laughed at that, too
14:40.10Gnarfozthe response is great
14:40.19Gnarfozincluding a bible reference sold it
14:40.33nevcairielI find it stupid that the guy responding that mail choose the monopoly thing of all things to call out MS on. Its a stupid symptom of our culture, personally I believe if they make an OS that everyone wants to use, they may as well have a say what goes on in it =p
14:42.59nevcairielhey your software became so popular, now the government will control what you do with it!
14:45.27znfI'm actually not sure if that initial guy is a troll or not
14:45.42znfbecause I'm fairly convinced people like that exist
14:45.48znf"scared of the devil mascot"
14:45.50znflike, what?
14:45.53znfhow do you function from day to day?
14:57.01Gnarfozchristianly
14:58.12Gnarfoznevcairiel: I didn't click the links provided, but weren't the accusations more along the lines of "hey, you're actively using your awesome position to make it difficult for others to compete"? ^^
14:58.42Gnarfozalso, can someone share their output from diskpart 'list partition' on win10?
15:00.19nevcairielGnarfoz: if they want to make their own OS to compete with Microsoft =p
15:01.09Gnarfozthat sentence seems to have had an accident
15:01.52nevcairielGnarfoz: https://pastebin.com/mNQHtrLf doesnt look very special
15:02.08Gnarfozyeah I just want to compare
15:02.25Gnarfozty
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15:02.54nevcairielI never felt particularly hindered to install a different browser even before the EU got their way
15:03.13nevcairielthose others didnt want MS from stopping them, they wanted MS to advertize alternatives, which imho goes too far, but shrug
15:04.17nevcairielthe ruling expired anyway and the browser chooser hasnt been seen anymore
15:04.21Gnarfoznah, that's the result EU came up with, IIRC
15:04.37Gnarfoz(also was EU commission anyway, the people nobody voted for)
15:04.53nevcairielkaspersky is trying to pull the same crap with AV now
15:05.00Gnarfoz(if I hate one thing about the EU, it's the existence of that nonsense body)
15:05.35Gnarfozawww, not enough space to fit winre.wim on my recovery partition
15:05.45Gnarfozseems I'll have to do major surgery after all
15:06.11Gnarfozor not, if Windows' claims that Windows RE can't be used with Bitlocker hold true
15:08.09Gnarfozhttps://haste.smb.wtf/rihukasanodebuvoluhadenuxikise mine is a bit weird now
15:08.28Gnarfozinitial research suggests that it'll dangerous to try and move the EFI partition
15:08.45nevcairielyou also have oddly different sizes
15:09.27Gnarfozyeah I was wondering why your "reserved" partition is only 16 MB
15:09.35Gnarfozhttp://i.imgur.com/MeuTFWi.png also, that one doesn't show up in diskmgmt.msc at all
15:10.30nevcairieli'm not encrypting my main drive though, i find that too annoying :D
15:10.33Gnarfozand everything else is also different sizes. odd
15:10.57GnarfozI have to, so :shrug:
15:11.13nevcairielcan bitlocker leverage ssd hardware encryption
15:11.19Gnarfozyes
15:11.28Gnarfozif it supports eDrive and Opal 2.0, I think
15:11.42Gnarfozwhich makes it even more confusing they picked the ONE variant of this SSD that doesn't encrypt itself
15:12.08Gnarfozwhy require disk encryption on company-owned equipment and then do it wrong
15:12.29nevcairieli may not have paid proper attention during setup, but I do wonder if it lets you set that up right there when installing windows
15:12.38Gnarfoz(there's literally a different model of the same SSD that does encryption)
15:13.00Gnarfozjust drives (ha) me mad, this lack of attention to things
15:13.41Gnarfozat least this laptop is a lot beefier than the other one, so I probably won't notice
15:14.18GnarfozI should figure out what the remaining two devices without drivers are
15:15.03nevcairielno hardware encryption for me
15:15.34nevcairieli wonder how performance is impacted from hardware encryption, if at all
15:15.46Gnarfozshould be none at all
15:16.07Gnarfozat least not when comparing using it vs not using it on a drive that supports it
15:16.24Gnarfozusually, "using it" just means "actually handling the keys"
15:16.37Gnarfozi.e. it's always encrypted, even if you don't set it up
15:16.51nevcairieli suppose most drives encrypt anyway to improve the randomness of data, yeah
15:16.55nevcairielthat helps nand storage
15:17.17Gnarfozwhich is also why the easiest way to tell if bitlocker is making use of it is lack of a progress bar when enabling encryption
15:17.31znfI used truecrypt once... it was so horribly slow on a Q6600 CPU :(
15:17.38Gnarfoz(although you can tell before that on win 10, if it offers to use AES-XTS, then it's doing software)
15:18.20Gnarfozq6600 is not particularly new ^^ (no idea how much of a load 1 thread of AES-XTS would represent for that, though...)
15:18.35nevcairieli cant even enable bitlocker because i dont have a TPM, it tells me to go somewhere and change some setting, but i would need google to even find that :D
15:19.03znfGnarfoz, that was obviously 7 years ago :P
15:19.28Gnarfoznevcairiel: really? odd. it should know and just fall back to PIN
15:19.35Gnarfozunless you had the GPO in place to forbid that
15:19.42nevcairielapparently thats default
15:20.27Gnarfozznf: right, because today, it'd be called VeraCrypt! ^^
15:20.52znfoh
15:20.56znfI wasn't aware someone forked it
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15:25.23Gnarfozseems this computer has a WiGig adapter
15:25.35nevcairielwhats WiGig
15:25.36GnarfozI wonder if anything else in this city has
15:25.54nevcairielis that a fancy name for 802.11ad
15:25.54Gnarfozsomething something gigabit wireless
15:26.01Gnarfozno clue, I'd have to look it up
15:26.22nevcairielapparently yes
15:26.33znfGnarfoz, werent' you looking for a replacement to that crappy e-mail client?
15:26.34znfhttp://i.imgur.com/nm8JCwj.png
15:26.46Gnarfozno I wasn't
15:26.54Gnarfozand you suggested mailbird last time as well
15:26.58nevcairieli've seen 802.11ad modules on new motherboards from this year as well - although i still wonder who in their right mind buys a high-end gaming motherboard and then uses it over wifi
15:27.00znfyou should, then
15:27.04Gnarfozno, why
15:27.30Gnarfozand why are you linking it now
15:27.47nevcairielhe probably gets a bonus for selling subscriptions
15:28.06Gnarfozfrom a screenshot? ;D
15:28.20Bluspacecow*facepalm* https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/6fykdb/i_have_a_computer_forensics_degree/
15:28.44Gnarfoza discount code seems to be in play, though, that price is half off again from the regular "50% off"
15:28.46znfGnarfoz, I just realized it's dirt cheap now :P
15:29.00znfGnarfoz, yeah, clear cookies -> "first visit, 50% off!"
15:29.04Gnarfozthat's not enough
15:29.35znfworked here
15:29.36Gnarfozthat only brings it down to 32.5€ for me
15:29.47znfI linked it to a friend telling him it's 32€ as a discount
15:29.54znfhe linked the screenshot to me that for him it's 16€
15:29.59znfI cleared my cookies, got it at 16€ too
15:30.00Gnarfozhacker
15:30.20Gnarfozanyway... "With apps built in like Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, Asana, Dropbox, Todoist, Google Calendar, Moo.do and many more…
15:30.20Gnarfoz" no thank you
15:30.28Bluspacecow....
15:30.35Gnarfozand calling it a lifetime licence when it only covers version 2.x is also a bit disingenious
15:30.42BluspacecowI'm playing skull girls and painwheel just spat her gum at me :(
15:35.39nevcairielprobably quite deserved
15:36.10Bluspacecow:(
15:36.12Bluspacecowso mean!
15:37.23GnarfozI don't even know what that is
15:37.37nevcairielnor I, but it felt like the right thing to say
15:38.58Bluspacecowthink Street fighter. but with girls
15:42.20Gnarfoznevcairiel: apparently, this is one use for WiGig http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-wireless-dock/apd/452-bbux/pc-accessories
15:42.30Bluspacecowwig ?
15:42.32BluspacecowLOL
15:43.07nevcairielGnarfoz: from what i can tell its just fast ordinary wifi
15:43.50nevcairielso yeah sure on ultra low range like this you can probably put some useful connectivity through that
15:45.32nevcairielalthough WiGig (or 802.11ad) has a fatal flaw, its ultra high frequency and barely, if at all, penetrates any walls
15:45.35Gnarfozyeah shame it's 270$ :D
15:46.00nevcairiel(its on 60GHz)
15:46.03GnarfozI think this is also the same tech they once suggested for use as "in-rack wifi"
15:46.12Gnarfozlike anyone in their right mind would want to do that
15:47.54nevcairielsoon i'll have to do motherboard shopping again, hope someone makes a sensible board with all the right high-end features but not with some of those no-go features like killer NICs or forcing wifi onto you
15:48.48znfgives nevcairiel some gaming glasses
15:49.18nevcairielit took me about two days already to pick out a PC case that can support a 280mm radiator and otherwise has the things I wanted, i felt like trying a proper AIO for once
15:50.01Gnarfoznevcairiel: ask Corsair for this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRPmykpEJfA
15:51.15nevcairieli like ordinary size cases
15:51.43nevcairieland i kinda dont want a window or glass door, which is really hard to get in recent cases =p
15:52.54nevcairieldecided on one two years old or so now, when cases still had optical drives :D
15:54.38nevcairieli've been watching way too many case review videos last week
16:21.59quiescenso.o
16:22.07quiescensjust get a box and throw things in
16:22.10quiescens^^
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17:03.23BluspacecowFisker
17:03.28Bluspacecowmy monk has a wonderful heater
17:03.37Bluspacecowhe keeps going on about feeling the wrath of it
17:03.42Bluspacecowhe just wanted to let you know that
17:03.54FiskerGood
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17:40.21StanzillaFisker: hype http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/06/08/android-o-dev-preview-3-rolling-final-apis/
17:42.22FiskerNice
17:43.29FiskerNo preview for me :(
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18:49.44ls-pcmoo ):3
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18:59.28StanzillaFisker: https://developer.android.com/preview/download-ota.html
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22:13.22znfIs there some EU law/regulation that states home appliances must not exceed 2000W in power?
22:13.31znfas in *any* appliance?
22:16.53nevcairieldont think i've ever heard for a general rule for all things, but there is a whole bunch of rules for individual devices
22:20.04znfI keep trying to find an electric grill that is over 2000W in power, but nope, none
22:20.30znf(well, I found one, but the price was well in range of Pro tools)
22:21.17nevcairielthe first one I found on amazon is rated at 2300W
22:21.19nevcairielshrugs
22:21.59znfI was shopping locally
22:22.02znflink
22:22.37znfI don't know how electric grill translates to german
22:22.59znfnevcairiel, ah, I want a contact one (with top and bottom plates)
22:23.43nevcairielthose are inherently expensive tho
22:23.49znfthe tefal ones, yeah
22:24.02znfand based on the reviews, not even that great (the tefal ones)
22:24.12znfnormally below 100€ tough
22:25.33nevcairielthe wattage is often a function of their size, if its bigger it draws more power because bigger area - doesnt mean it can really apply more  heat in a single spot
22:25.36znfthing is, most of them have aluminium plates, and those tend to warp due to heat
22:26.19znfand the ones with top/bottom plates are kind of low powered, if you consider that there's a heater element in both sides (so effectively is more like 1000W/plate)
22:26.37Funkeh`the only limited device I know is vacuum cleaners
22:26.42Funkeh`there are probably more though
22:26.56nevcairielyeah but the heat doesnt just escape out the top everywhere
22:27.16znfI'm aware of the vacuum cleaner limitation
22:27.31znfI think that's 1600W max
22:27.37znfwhich, again, it's stupid
22:28.01StanzillaWindows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) no longer requires Developer Mode! Previously, you had to enable Developer Mode (Settings -> Update & Security -> For Developers) in order to run Bash & Linux tools on Windows. This restriction has been lifted; you can now run Bash on Windows without developer mode being enabled! More information here
22:28.01Stanzilla<PROTECTED>
22:28.03Stanzillahype
22:28.27znfnice
22:29.30znfwait, wtf is with the nvidia max-q laptop
22:29.36znfsuch an odd placement for the keyboard
22:30.05znftalking about this https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/06/nvidia-max-q-laptop-review/
22:30.10znfwhich seems to be an asus, actually
22:31.19nevcairielits a different design for sure, but maybe not that terrible. i've always hated accidentally hitting the touchpad when using the keyboard, just because i'm used to having my hands rest on something
22:31.50znfyeah, it's weird, can't label it as bad tough without trying it
22:32.45znfprobably the lack of slope would annoy me the most
22:33.17znfas in - it seems to thick at the spot where the keyboard/laptop ends
23:00.39znfwhen did samsung stop puting MHL ports on their phones?
23:12.20nevcairielmy S8 has MHL support, just need a USB C to MHL adapter, but its not like they ever had dedicated special MHL ports or anything
23:12.37znfs6 doesn't support it
23:15.05znfthe microUSb port on the phone was a bit different in the case of mhl-enabled phones
23:15.12znflike: v
23:15.13znfhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hoow2oH8eVI/Ukw1OgUDP7I/AAAAAAAAAB8/yhoKeIegr0k/s1600/mhl+difference.jpg
23:15.55nevcairielwell thats all gone with USB-C anyway
23:16.17znfI was specifically interested in the S6 :)
23:35.31znfhttps://www.banggood.com/DOOGEE-MIX-5_5-Inch-Android-7_0-4GB-RAM-64GB-ROM-Helio-P25-Octa-Core-2_5GHz-4G-Smartphone-p-1155525.html?utmid=1772
23:35.38znfthe chinese really make decent looking phones
23:35.43znftoo bad the software is horrible
23:35.54znfnot to mention that MTK chipsets are usually a piece of crap
23:42.14Stanzillawhat are you trying to do

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