| 00:00.39 | znf | Stanzilla, a lady friend wanted to watch, uhm, herself on the tv :) |
| 00:06.13 | Stanzilla | chaturbate model? |
| 00:06.31 | znf | nah |
| 00:06.35 | znf | wish she hould |
| 00:06.40 | znf | would* |
| 00:07.12 | Stanzilla | did you suggest it to her, yet? |
| 00:08.35 | znf | too many times :D |
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| 01:44.53 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: neat, WSL without dev mode... couldn't that have happened like a week ago? wouldn't have had to cheat my way around company-imposed idiocy errr policy :P |
| 01:45.25 | Stanzilla | do you run insider builds on your company laptop? |
| 01:46.45 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 01:47.12 | Gnarfoz | but I had to disable WSUS to be able to activate developer mode |
| 01:47.51 | Gnarfoz | (it wasn't able to some required package otherwise) |
| 01:49.02 | Stanzilla | ah |
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| 01:54.14 | Fisker | Wsl? |
| 01:56.33 | Gnarfoz | wonder how they're going to handle the continuous rolling updates |
| 02:06.48 | Fisker | God damnit Android |
| 02:07.12 | Fisker | Quasseldroid is ruined |
| 02:07.31 | Gnarfoz | forever! |
| 02:15.35 | nebula | i wish there was an iQuassel that didn't suck |
| 02:16.59 | Fisker | Why did LG give up releasing their shitty watch Stanzilla? |
| 02:22.34 | Stanzilla | because smartwatches suck |
| 02:25.55 | Stanzilla | nebula: what do you think of iOS11? |
| 02:27.29 | nebula | i haven't really looked into it other than seeing pics of the control center |
| 02:27.39 | nebula | sounded like it was mostly a upgrade for ipad stuff |
| 02:30.04 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 02:30.23 | nebula | i still run 9.3.3 on my iphone :p |
| 02:30.33 | Stanzilla | wat |
| 02:30.33 | Stanzilla | why |
| 02:31.58 | nebula | jailbreak + i didn't see a reason to upgrade |
| 02:32.37 | nebula | i have a iphone 5s, so no force touch or apple pay |
| 02:37.10 | Fisker | Smartwatches are great Stanzilla |
| 02:40.15 | Fisker | I really need a new smartwatch |
| 02:40.45 | Fisker | My display is so burned in that i don't need battery anymore |
| 02:44.39 | Stanzilla | smartwatches will be great when they are no longer thick as a brick |
| 02:46.38 | nebula | they're honestly not much thicker than some regular watches |
| 02:46.57 | nebula | you're probably just not used to wearing one |
| 02:48.53 | Stanzilla | I think regular watches are too thick, too |
| 02:48.58 | nebula | :p |
| 02:49.53 | nebula | by regular i guess i should have said diver's, they tend to run a bit thick, too |
| 02:55.02 | Stanzilla | NO |
| 02:55.48 | Stanzilla | everything thicker than like half my phone is too thick |
| 04:17.16 | quiescens | o.o |
| 04:22.51 | Fisker | Oh wow |
| 04:23.04 | Fisker | Top or bottom? |
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| 07:02.46 | Phixion | hey quiescens |
| 07:03.05 | quiescens | moo? |
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| 08:36.11 | Gnarfoz | supbros |
| 08:37.12 | nevcairiel | wazzup |
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| 08:44.44 | Gnarfoz | I'm appropriately tired for Friday |
| 08:45.16 | Gnarfoz | I also once again found proof that "DLL hell" is most certainly not a thing exclusive to Windows |
| 08:45.19 | nevcairiel | well its barely 6 hours since you talked here last, and you probably had to drive to work in the meantime too.. soo :p |
| 08:45.49 | Gnarfoz | (was trying to get the AMR client running on my server... it was being rather unclear what made it segfault, then just error, then segfault again) |
| 08:46.18 | nevcairiel | is the linux client .net as well? |
| 08:46.26 | Gnarfoz | yep, .net core |
| 08:47.08 | Gnarfoz | should work basically wherever .net core runtime is available (they currently ship the runtime with the client, so you don't even have to worry about that) |
| 08:47.17 | Gnarfoz | also, in case any of you missed it, patch is this coming Tue/Wed already :O |
| 08:47.32 | nevcairiel | not like that was an unexpected date |
| 08:47.37 | Gnarfoz | (I really should have realized that's what the week without further "breaching the tomb" content was about) |
| 08:48.09 | Gnarfoz | leaving a week of breathing room to fix any issues not uncovered by ptr and qa seems... smart |
| 08:48.43 | quiescens | go to sleep o.o |
| 08:48.51 | Gnarfoz | anyhow, turns out I needed to downgrade curl to the version from Debian stable, and also supply an old version of libcrypto/libssl |
| 08:48.54 | Gnarfoz | to run AMR |
| 08:49.10 | Gnarfoz | because the .net runtime is compiled against Debian stable, of course |
| 08:49.18 | nevcairiel | curl api seems generally stable i thought |
| 08:49.55 | Gnarfoz | yeah that's why I discounted that at first and then spent 4 hours in a rabbit hole trying to figure out if some other version of libssl would work... |
| 08:50.00 | nevcairiel | but yeah foreign binary packages on linux is often even worse then on windows |
| 08:50.24 | Gnarfoz | didn't realize that the dependency issue I had was one level of indirection away |
| 08:51.37 | Gnarfoz | they already said they're considering just not distributing the runtime with the client |
| 08:51.57 | quiescens | /blame torhal? |
| 08:51.58 | Gnarfoz | at least then the dependency stuff wouldn't be split three ways between them, Microsoft and the user |
| 08:52.28 | nevcairiel | .net core is probably too new for debian stable, but future versions might have native packaging |
| 08:52.44 | Gnarfoz | (also claimed the client was "hardcoded" to use the version it ships with, but strace seemed to indicate otherwise) |
| 08:52.59 | Gnarfoz | what licence is .not core even under |
| 08:53.20 | Gnarfoz | woah, MIT or Apache 2 |
| 08:53.28 | Gnarfoz | that's actually compatible with Debian, isn't it |
| 08:53.37 | nevcairiel | microsoft went all the way with licensing on that |
| 08:53.48 | nevcairiel | and MIT is compatible with everything, its like the most permissible license there is =p |
| 08:53.58 | Gnarfoz | yeah pretty much |
| 08:54.00 | Kalroth | MIT is one step from Public Domain, yeah :p |
| 08:55.13 | Gnarfoz | considering "public domain" doesn't exist in many places, it's a good thing to use it, then |
| 08:58.03 | Kalroth | https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Public_domain |
| 08:58.38 | Kalroth | PD is the oldschool license, back when there was basically only public domain, shareware and commercial |
| 09:02.11 | Gnarfoz | like I said, that's not a valid licence in many places |
| 09:02.40 | Gnarfoz | so a real licence that doesn't deal with the copyright itself is a safer play |
| 09:03.10 | Gnarfoz | in other news https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/07/discord/ Discord still burning through investor cash, no healthy business model in sight |
| 09:05.15 | quiescens | that article seems relatively high on speculation and low on useful numbers |
| 09:06.27 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: how do they even make any money, its a free service and i dont even remember ads |
| 09:06.59 | Gnarfoz | they don't, basically |
| 09:07.19 | nevcairiel | if they dont even have a hint of a revenue stream, someone seems to have fucked up bad =p |
| 09:07.23 | Gnarfoz | (they do offer "Discord Nitro" for 5$, but since the actually relevant service is free, I can't imagine that having high subscription numbers) |
| 09:08.44 | Gnarfoz | quiescens:Â it also jumps from mentioning that the CEO before created what amounts to a "highscore framework" for mobile games to calling him a game developer |
| 09:09.13 | Gnarfoz | journalistic quality notwithstanding, I could have also just quoted the headline, :P funding funding funding! revenue? meh |
| 09:12.10 | Gnarfoz | (Discord Nitro offers; animated avatars, cross-server custom emoji, 50MB (up from 8) upload limit for files/images, avatar badge |
| 09:12.33 | nevcairiel | seems rather pointless |
| 09:13.49 | quiescens | who knows |
| 09:14.02 | quiescens | without numbers o.o |
| 09:14.58 | quiescens | you would think people wouldn't spend real money on hats and weapon skins in games but shrugs |
| 09:18.58 | nevcairiel | oh amr just switched on global network sim, it finally does something! |
| 09:23.29 | Gnarfoz | I asked btw, and even before, running clients on multiple machines was usable; I was still under the impression that it was only for simple sims, but if you use the "v2" gearing strategy then it runs on multiple |
| 09:24.05 | nevcairiel | the gearing strategy they use for tanks is still basically broken |
| 09:24.14 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how many cores of my i7 920 in my server equate to my 6700K in my desktop |
| 09:24.17 | nevcairiel | and i got some cheap excuses and misdirection when i asked |
| 09:24.36 | Gnarfoz | is it? hm. my "NPS" strategy seems to work fine |
| 09:24.53 | Gnarfoz | maybe Paladins just work with anything |
| 09:25.03 | nevcairiel | the values it produces go against any other resource on the internet, and sometimes want to equip *way* low level items |
| 09:25.32 | Gnarfoz | the first thing is not a particularly convincing argument, the other... possibly |
| 09:25.38 | nevcairiel | i got some shady explanations with negative scaling on some stats, which made no sense to me, why would any item scale negatively |
| 09:25.54 | Gnarfoz | it gets worse the more of some other thing you have? |
| 09:26.00 | Gnarfoz | at least that's what I assume is meant? |
| 09:26.20 | nevcairiel | it wanted to equip a very similar item with the same stat distribution, just far lower ilvl |
| 09:26.23 | nevcairiel | which makes no sense to me |
| 09:26.27 | nevcairiel | more stats are more better |
| 09:26.30 | Gnarfoz | no effects? |
| 09:26.43 | nevcairiel | nah plain ordinary item |
| 09:27.02 | Gnarfoz | weird |
| 09:28.10 | nevcairiel | there was a similar argument with the restoration druid community, where they basically went "why don't you change your playstyle to this un-fun and basically meter padding style, thats what sims the highest" |
| 09:28.45 | nevcairiel | basically, i dont trust those sims with anything but dps |
| 09:30.05 | Gnarfoz | min/maxing healing is even worse to do synthetically than tanking, I bet |
| 09:30.44 | nevcairiel | yeah, you can sim against like a healing training dummy where you can spend infinite healing |
| 09:30.54 | nevcairiel | but the real world is very random when healing is required |
| 09:31.09 | quiescens | sometimes you just have to keep someone alive |
| 09:31.12 | quiescens | o.o |
| 09:31.59 | nevcairiel | the value of haste for example is often not valued correctly when simming healing, sure they account for the overall throughput, but being a bit faster to get the heal out can be beneficial |
| 09:34.47 | nevcairiel | (of course that doesnt neatly translate into numbers) |
| 09:35.30 | Gnarfoz | mh quasselweb is doing its "not scrolling down to latest message" thing again |
| 09:35.49 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:01.23 | Gnarfoz | they just pushed an update that fixed my v2 gearing strategy oddities |
| 10:01.48 | Gnarfoz | and also pointed out that BIB gets cached if "nothing changes" (not sure what particularly they meant) but re-importing the addon export seemed to have flushed it |
| 10:02.12 | Gnarfoz | they also support 7.2.5's PTR state now in the simulator, if you go and pick that from the dropdown |
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| 10:43.13 | nevcairiel | let me run it for me and see if its reasonable |
| 10:44.51 | nevcairiel | it claims it takes 10 hours :( |
| 10:45.35 | Gnarfoz | yeah tank sims are teh worst |
| 10:45.46 | Gnarfoz | although |
| 10:45.58 | Gnarfoz | he said you didn't need to re-make the strategy if you already have a custom one |
| 10:46.19 | nevcairiel | i dont have a machine learning strategy, because those had the stupidest results of all before |
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| 10:54.12 | Gnarfoz | and now you're generating a... |
| 10:54.37 | Gnarfoz | actually scratch that question |
| 10:54.46 | Gnarfoz | you only pick which way to save it after it's done |
| 10:55.14 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:01.14 | Gnarfoz | ML (v1) was always pretty close to SW for me, SW was just a bit more strict in maximizing according to its values |
| 11:01.27 | Gnarfoz | more often than not, to an extreme that wasn't worth it |
| 11:01.46 | Gnarfoz | maybe I'm just lucky because one of the main devs plays a Paladin ;p |
| 11:01.51 | Gnarfoz | (although he tanks, AFAIK) |
| 11:01.56 | nevcairiel | most DPSers i talked to seemed generally happy |
| 11:02.40 | Gnarfoz | the most infuriating thing for me, when talking with DPS about it, is that they assume it must have the same results as simcraft (or their various class discords) and if it doesn't it must be shit |
| 11:02.49 | nevcairiel | its unclear if its as accurate as simcraft, but its definitely much easier to use |
| 11:03.05 | Gnarfoz | I'm inclined to say it's more accurate than simcraft |
| 11:03.43 | Gnarfoz | or at least: more realistic... Simcraft's patchwerk fight model is kind of... yeah, no such fight exists |
| 11:03.49 | Gnarfoz | (except patchwerk! maybe.) |
| 11:03.51 | nevcairiel | I would assume a long-living community project has more chances of being accurate across 12 classes and 36 specs then something driven by a handful of devs |
| 11:04.43 | Gnarfoz | that's a good point, but when your sims match actual combat logs (maybe that blog post required more massaging of numbers than would generally be considered acceptable), I'd say it's close enough |
| 11:05.05 | Gnarfoz | (although it's pretty detailed, it seemed like a valid presentation to me) |
| 11:06.12 | Gnarfoz | yay, being roped into sitting in on an interview... |
| 11:06.14 | Gnarfoz | I hate that shit |
| 11:12.24 | nevcairiel | pointless meetings are the best waste of time ever |
| 11:15.32 | Phixion | nods |
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| 13:08.17 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: AMR is le broken, i finished my fresh new sim and now when i try to save it, it tells me machine learning isnt supported =p |
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| 13:33.03 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â u broke it |
| 13:33.17 | Gnarfoz | maybe you started it before they pushed the new version and now it's confusionated? |
| 13:33.19 | Gnarfoz | no idea ;) |
| 13:48.10 | Gnarfoz | hah nevcairiel, got the same thing: This is an older gearing strategy that does not support the Machine Learning method. Try creating a new one! |
| 13:48.31 | Gnarfoz | weird, I just started that at like 13:30 |
| 13:50.33 | Gnarfoz | yeah other people in AMR discord getting that as well, so we're probably not holding it wrong |
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| 16:51.05 | nevcairiel | why is it that every windows news blog talks about this new start menu in the latest insider, but not one actually has a screenshot? =p |
| 16:58.47 | Stanzilla | start menu is not really new, just the a different background blur |
| 17:13.47 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: or did you mean the split of action center from the notification center? |
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| 18:25.23 | Stanzilla | nop |
| 18:44.11 | quiescens | moo? |
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| 20:46.47 | znf | https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gbNv9dQfV2MRZ3Bz#fight=8&type=summary&translate=true&source=2&start=5820368&end=6537012 |
| 20:46.48 | znf | how? |
| 21:01.06 | Megalon | they let combatlog run |
| 21:01.11 | Megalon | and then upload those to that site |
| 21:01.18 | Megalon | and it generates those reports, pretty nifty |
| 21:06.22 | EthanCentaurai | lol Megalon |
| 21:23.51 | Megalon | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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