IRC log for #wowace on 20170918

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00:25.41Gethe>tv Black Mirror
00:25.42Catal1naBlack Mirror 2011 (Running). Previous Episode: [3x6] Hated in the Nation on 2016-10-21 (041 year). Next Episode: not yet scheduled. http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/305/black-mirror
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02:30.39Gnarfozznf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkkV1vLHUvQ just get this one
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07:08.45znfGnarfoz: not enough organs
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09:09.21znfthat fucking chest https://i.imgur.com/rAGGlFT.png
09:09.32znfCoffer of Argus Champion Equipment, my ass
10:03.26GnarfozI want more https://www.wowhead.com/item=152441/satchel-of-lucidity
10:04.34Gnarfoznevcairiel: do you use any SMR disks in your server?
10:05.06nevcairielno i stay away from those
10:05.51nevcairielshingles go on roofs, not in harddrives
10:06.34znfheh
10:07.03quiescenso.o
10:07.06FiskerI want to break free
10:11.59znfI want to bake three
10:12.10nevcairieli've been browsing for drives a bit lately though, i should really start replacing a few aging drives soon
10:12.24znfgo SSD, clearly
10:12.42nevcairielmy oldest are from 2012, thats running against the barrier of comfort :p
10:13.14nevcairielbut when I replace them i would like to go big, and to do that I would need to replace my parity drives as well
10:13.17nevcairielso, expensive
10:13.36nevcairiel8tb drives still cost quite a bunch
10:15.05nevcairielso many different models though, wtf is the big difference between seagata archive, seagate ironwolf, seagate skyhawk (archive is SMR, so ok, but the other two?)
10:15.20Megalonme sliding through life http://i.imgur.com/2XeaDzD.gifv
10:15.59nevcairielapparently ironwolf is their NAS brand and SkyHawk for surveillance, oh well
10:16.42znfI still don't understand what's the technical difference for those surveillance ones
10:16.53nevcairielprobably designed for 24/7  writing
10:17.08nevcairielmight be firmware mostly, who knows
10:18.13znfI was hoping it could be something like firmware designed to facilitate the writing of multiple files at the same time without going all over the platter
10:18.24znfie: in a contigous way
10:18.26znfif that makes any sense
10:19.06nevcairielthats not how a surveillance system would write, it still writes only a single long stream
10:19.30znfyou sure? I've had some that wrote individual files
10:19.40nevcairielsure, but not multiple at once
10:19.51Gnarfoznevcairiel: latest snapraid supports splitting parity files across disks
10:20.05Gnarfozso you could aim for what I aim for: combine some and start using larger data drives (SMR)
10:20.11Gnarfoz(well, or not)
10:20.25nevcairielSMR isnt that much cheaper to be worth it
10:20.38Gnarfozit is a lot cheaper, though?
10:20.49Gnarfozworth it is debatable, of course
10:20.54nevcairielthere is only like one vendor that makes them
10:21.05Gnarfoztwo, I think, but... yeah, so? ^^
10:21.10Gnarfozthey're like, literally made for this
10:21.23nevcairielits ~210 vs ~225
10:21.26nevcairielthats not really "a lot"
10:21.28nevcairielfor 8tb
10:21.50nevcairielmaybe 230-240 if you pick more expensive options =p
10:22.05Gnarfozwho made the N300 so cheap?
10:22.18Gnarfoz(I heard it's loud)
10:22.22nevcairieli've been looking at that one, but its not available anywhere
10:22.30nevcairielexcept lolexpensive
10:22.47Gnarfozso it turns out it's not that cheap after all ^^
10:22.51znftoo bad ZFS doesn't do different capacity drives
10:23.00znftheir RAIDZ-2 is awesome otherwise
10:23.14nevcairielits not that I actually have personal bad experience with the seagate archive hdds
10:23.24nevcairielbut the downsides of SMR just sound bad to me
10:23.37Gnarfozso is snapraid's 2-parity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - the only thing it doesn't do, by design, is real-time ^^
10:23.40znfdoes linux do SMR properly?
10:23.49Gnarfozthere is nothing to do for Linux or any other OS
10:23.53znfafaik it is?
10:23.54Gnarfozthe drive handles that
10:24.04nevcairielHGST has a host-controlled SMR drive
10:24.11nevcairielthe seagate one is drive-controlled though
10:24.41nevcairielbut the HGST one is in their  Helium line, those are expensive
10:24.50znfI see
10:27.21Gnarfozhttps://geizhals.de/?cat=hde7s&xf=958_8000&v=l&sort=r 26€/TB vs 30€/TB... mh
10:27.30GnarfozX300 only available at 1 shop is not great, either ^^
10:28.00Gnarfozat that point, the Enterprise Capacity one from Seagate is also viable
10:28.27nevcairielthat one probably is loud
10:28.48Gnarfozthe Toshiba is probably at least as loud ^^
10:29.17nevcairielfinding good hdd tests is hard
10:29.43nevcairielthe ironwolf might be ok
10:29.43znfdoesn't backblaze do tests?
10:30.01nevcairieltheir statistics arent really useful to normal people =p
10:30.22Gnarfoz(and they use only a small handful of non-desktop drives)
10:30.48Gnarfoz<PROTECTED>
10:31.08Gnarfozit's rather common to have users comment that a HDD is both silent and too loud, on the same model ^^
10:31.12nevcairielapparently the ironwolf gets hot
10:31.35nevcairielbut its a lso pretty fast in this comparison i'm reading right now
10:32.05nevcairielseagate archive was the most silent, hrm
10:32.10Gnarfozlower rpm
10:32.33nevcairielnot in comparison to the wd red  in the test
10:33.04nevcairieldoes backblaze use smr drives?
10:33.11GnarfozI doubt that
10:33.15Gnarfozbut I don't know ^^
10:33.38nevcairieldoesnt appear so
10:33.57nevcairielthey use the seagate desktop hdds
10:34.12nevcairieland a few EC
10:34.23nevcairielwell, 6000
10:34.24nevcairiel:D
10:35.56Gnarfozsounds like "a few" in their ballpark
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15:24.58znfIg,
15:25.00znfOh.
15:25.12znfSo, I bitched about 7.3 having issues with slow loading of textures
15:25.35znfI was loading the game and for up to 30 seconds I had no UI textures, icons etc. loaded
15:25.41znftook a lot o time
15:25.44znfturns out it's TSM
15:31.01nevcairieltsm is rather aggressive and stressing the games caches quite a lot
15:31.05nevcairielno surprise it causes issues
15:32.59quiescenswhat is a tsm o.o
15:34.51nebulatradeskillmaster
15:40.08znfshouldn't it be load on demand?
15:41.29nebulabut then the cache wouldn't be ready!
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16:39.40Stanzillahi
16:39.47StanzillaGnarfoz: are you WSL expert yet
16:40.31quiescensgnarfoz knows all the things
16:41.19Stanzillaor nebula
16:41.35StanzillaI wanna do bash.exe -c npm but it does not have PATH when executed that way
16:42.05Stanzillaand bash.exe --login does not help
16:53.09Gnarfozno idea how integrated that is (or is supposed to be)
16:53.54Stanzilladamn
16:54.06Stanzillanebula is my only hope then
17:00.01Gnarfozdoes it need to be Windows' PATH
17:00.31Gnarfozhm I guess it automagically merges them
17:00.37Stanzillanpm is only installed in wsl
17:00.39nevcairielusing bash.exe -c echo $PATH and starting it manually and executing that reuslts in the same result
17:00.49nevcairielso seems fine? :p
17:01.30Stanzillatry my usecase then
17:01.44nevcairielit just executes npm
17:01.46Gnarfozbash -c echo $PATH gives me an empty result
17:01.52Stanzillasame
17:01.56nevcairieladd quotes
17:02.03Gnarfozprobably cmd fucks that up
17:02.10Gnarfozbecause bash -c env works
17:02.47nevcairielyeah needs some excessive quoting to work fine
17:02.47Gnarfozbash -c "echo $PATH" -> complains about parentheses in Program Files x86
17:02.47nevcairielbut env results in the proper info
17:02.54Gnarfozbash -c 'echo $PATH' works
17:03.02Gnarfoz(kind of expected)
17:03.16Gnarfozbut kind of unexpected at the same time :D
17:03.29nevcairielStanzilla: not sure whats exactly supposed to be wrong, but bash -c npm just shows npm call help
17:03.36Gnarfoz'' shouldn't result in variable interpolation
17:04.03Gnarfozit probably results in "command not found" because his PATH is not set correctly? at least that's what I assumed from the initial question
17:04.16Gnarfozalso, note to self: don't try and sweeten your salad dressing with Stevia
17:04.19Gnarfozthis is disgusting
17:04.23nevcairielits not cmd doing it either way, because it doesnt use $ for variables
17:04.25Stanzillanevcairiel: which windows version?
17:04.26Stanzillawuah
17:04.33nevcairielCU
17:04.36Gnarfoz(I think I've done that before, with the same result, my memory is terrible)
17:05.48Stanzillahow do I reset my ~/.profile and .bashrc if I fucked up and bash just closes on opening now :D
17:05.54nevcairiellol
17:06.53quiescenso.o
17:07.02quiescenswhat did you break
17:07.12Stanzillasyntax error I think
17:07.14GnarfozStanzilla: uninstall/reinstall wsl, probably :P
17:07.42Stanzillathat will take ages :(
17:07.43Gnarfoz(more likely, try and find the skeleton dir for user home directories)
17:07.50quiescensthis is almost like a znf-style problem
17:08.29GnarfozStanzilla: ls -al /etc/skel
17:09.29nevcairielyou can access the fiels from windows in %localappdata%\lxss, not sure how well that works, i read somewhere that it might be read-only
17:09.49Gnarfoztime to make some Abendbrot instead of this mess of a salad
17:09.58Stanzillanevcairiel: that breaks it
17:10.03StanzillaGnarfoz: ok and just copy them I guess
17:10.33Gnarfozthey're identical to the ones in my home dir, so I guess, yeah
17:11.04nevcairielskel is the template for those in the homedir, if you never modified them, then they should be
17:12.24Gnarfozindeed
17:12.53Stanzillaok that worked thanks
17:12.58Stanzillanow back to the original problem
17:13.54StanzillaI just assume it is because I installed npm as part of nvm/node
17:14.25Gnarfozif you use nvm, it modifies your .bashrc to actually make node (etc) usable
17:14.57StanzillaI saw that but it didn't work though
17:15.23Gnarfozit works when you use bash in a mode where .bashrc is parsed
17:15.26Gnarfoz(I bet?)
17:15.39Stanzillaprobably
17:15.44Gnarfozhttps://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Bash-Startup-Files.html
17:15.46Stanzillahow do I make that works with bash.exe -c though
17:16.11Gnarfozbash -i
17:17.09Stanzillaso bash.exe -ic?
17:17.28Gnarfozmaybe. -i -c definitely works
17:17.54Stanzillalet me just wait 10 years for the apt install to finish
17:21.14StanzillaI hate 9 year old hardware
17:21.45Gnarfozbetter than no hardware
17:21.52Gnarfozwell... not always. :D
17:22.18Stanzillawell yeah
17:25.08Stanzillathat works
17:25.09Stanzillanice
17:25.09Stanzillathanks
17:26.11Gnarfoz(another common alternative would be to just add "source ~/.bashrc" to your .(bash_)profile)
17:27.26Stanzillamkay
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17:31.59GnarfozKemayo: can you make inventorian_itemlevels work properly with the Netherlight Crucible ilvl traits?
17:35.25StanzillaGnarfoz: well shouldnt this have worked? https://www.dropbox.com/s/wz82wb725imfcg1/Capture.PNG?dl=0
17:35.28Stanzillathat is there by default
17:36.45Gnarfozif you run it as a login shell (-l), then... I suppose so, yes
17:36.59Stanzillak
17:37.47Gnarfozfunnily enough, it doesn't
17:37.50Gnarfozdon't ask me why not
17:40.07Stanzillayeah I had tried that
17:40.25StanzillaI dont even know why I am doing this, i guess learning
17:40.34Stanzillalearning is always good
17:41.26Stanzillawhen I move to win10 on my main pc, I want to move everything dev related to wsl
17:43.18Gnarfozthat sounds like more pain than necessary
17:43.21Gnarfozbut more power to you ^^
17:43.43StanzillaI want to force myself to use it more
18:01.09FiskerWhy do you hate me Stanzilla?
18:01.27FiskerI've been lolcatting on wsl for a while now
18:03.40StanzillaI dont but you are usually all about powershell
18:05.54FiskerOf course, it's superior
18:06.28FiskerI'm all about that master race
18:22.37KemayoGnarfoz: Plausibly. I'll have to look at how they work.
18:22.59KemayoI haven't played much in the last few days, so I haven't unlocked the crucible yet myself.
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18:24.54StanzillaSlackmayo
18:25.02Stanzillado you already have a character named like that?
18:27.16KemayoAlas, no.
18:38.00Stanzillasame btw, havent played since before it came out
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20:03.09Funkeh`rofl @ ccleaner news
20:03.15Funkeh`the fuck still uses ccleaner
20:03.49EthanCentauraiwait what
20:04.13EthanCentauraithe avast buyout?
20:04.33Funkeh`malware distribution
20:04.45EthanCentauraiuhh
20:06.02Funkeh`brings me back to the good old "RAM booster" days
20:06.38EthanCentauraisearches.
20:07.12EthanCentauraiwell fuck my life
20:09.05EthanCentauraii lost my wife, i lost my house, my webpanel was just hacked, and now ccleaner has potentially infected my computer
20:09.12EthanCentauraifuck
20:09.12EthanCentauraimy
20:09.13EthanCentaurailife
20:10.07Funkeh`yeah the only thing that matters there is the house
20:10.09EthanCentauraifuck everything
20:10.15znfdownloadsmoreram
20:10.44znfAvast is pure shit. RIP Piriform.
20:10.56Funkeh`people still install AV?
20:11.02EthanCentauraiwhen do i get a fucking break
20:11.32znfFunkeh`, unfortunately they do
20:11.37znflots of them :-|
20:11.44znfand they go for avast/avira/avg free crap
20:11.53Funkeh`why would you want a break, in my experience negative shit has been my single greatest propellant towards enacting change
20:12.28Funkeh`insert old wise words about light at the end of the tunnels, pendulums, etc
20:13.14Funkeh`znf, that's even worse, you already get a free one with windows
20:13.34znfyes, but people are retards
20:13.35EthanCentauraitwo months of absolute hell and suffering
20:13.59znfI'm always impressed that people praise shit like malwarebytes and avast/whatever on reddit
20:14.10Funkeh`you've got many months of hell ahead of you, enjoy it whilst it lasts
20:14.18EthanCentauraithe pendulum better fucking swing in my favour because i've just about had enough
20:14.34EthanCentauraii am not coping well
20:14.40znfand I consider the user-base of reddit to be a little bit above the average user in terms of tech savvy-ness, but apparently not
20:14.40Funkeh`malwarebytes was the shit like 5 years ago
20:14.51Funkeh`it's just the reputation effect that carries it today
20:15.02Funkeh`same with happened for like a decade with ESET and nod32
20:15.24Funkeh`"i swear by nod32" yeah because they had some good software back in 98 you swear by it today, gg
20:15.49znfto be fair, NOD32 v2.7 was awesomecakes
20:15.51znfafter that, rip
20:17.29znfthe only thing that's still relevant these days that an AV can protect you is annoying crap like infected USB drives
20:17.32Funkeh`that's because it was the most basic shit ever, tiny and light, but basic, hard to screw up
20:17.57znfanything else, meh
20:18.36znfbut even that is rather irrelevant since autoplay has been disabled by default since... 8.0?
20:23.35znfthe only thing an AV protected me from was false positives from keygens and cracks I used troughout my life
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