| 00:00.15 | znf | I once wanted to watch rick and morty on netflix |
| 00:00.22 | znf | and they didn't have sub for the episode :-| |
| 00:00.25 | znf | I stopped watching! |
| 00:00.27 | nevcairiel | my problem with netflix is that i cant use my sound system when watching netflix properly, because its web or set-top-box only, not through any kind of decent PC player app |
| 00:00.54 | nevcairiel | (same for any f'ing streaming service, really) |
| 00:00.58 | nebula | pc player app? |
| 00:01.03 | nebula | was gonna say >.> |
| 00:01.04 | znf | nevcairiel, obviously you have to buy an android tv box |
| 00:01.41 | nevcairiel | i have one, but that still doesnt help, can't connect a multi-channel USB sound device to those properly |
| 00:02.50 | znf | how so? |
| 00:03.01 | nevcairiel | because it just doesnt fucking work? :P |
| 00:03.17 | znf | optical? |
| 00:03.29 | nevcairiel | usb or nothing |
| 00:03.34 | nebula | tos is just stereo, no? |
| 00:03.41 | Ressy | Torhal: https://www.litter-robot.com/ |
| 00:03.56 | nebula | ah, two channels uncompressed |
| 00:04.37 | znf | I tought it's all digital and can do whatever? O.o |
| 00:04.51 | nevcairiel | bandwidth limited |
| 00:04.55 | znf | ie: DTS? |
| 00:04.59 | nebula | nah, it can't do truehd or dts-hd |
| 00:05.11 | Gnarfoz | not sure how nebula got from "optical" to "toslink", I think znf meant spdif |
| 00:05.21 | nevcairiel | toslink is optical spdif |
| 00:05.27 | znf | well, yes, I meant sp/dif but that's toslink |
| 00:05.38 | Gnarfoz | and how does that not do truehd? |
| 00:05.48 | znf | it cannot support lossless formats (other than 2ch LPCM) such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio, that require greater bandwidth[2] like that available with HDMI or DisplayPort. |
| 00:05.49 | Gnarfoz | how else do PC players handle that |
| 00:06.08 | Gnarfoz | they force you to use hdmi out? k |
| 00:06.10 | znf | can do DTS, but not DTS-HD, so stupid |
| 00:06.18 | nevcairiel | you just use HDMI for anything "HD" |
| 00:06.40 | znf | you'd think optical would have the bandwidth to do everything O.O |
| 00:06.57 | nevcairiel | its just a matter of the specs being used, its just a very old standard |
| 00:07.11 | znf | I know it's an old standard, would have tought it could be easily upgraded but keeping backwards compatibility |
| 00:07.12 | znf | Seems not |
| 00:07.17 | znf | ok, so, why don't you do HDMI? :P |
| 00:07.30 | znf | doesn't your audio receiver do hdmi? |
| 00:07.34 | nevcairiel | because I own good expensive audio hardware without HDMI? :p |
| 00:07.59 | nevcairiel | in fact, the entire point of this setup was to get away from all the problems of HDMI |
| 00:08.11 | znf | curious - what inputs does your receiver have? |
| 00:08.37 | nevcairiel | its not a receiver, its a usb audio interface |
| 00:09.11 | znf | link! |
| 00:10.11 | nevcairiel | primary connection to a PC-like device is just USB |
| 00:10.47 | nevcairiel | which works perfectly on a PC with any h alf-competent playback app .. browsers are just a bit too stupid as video players |
| 00:11.05 | znf | I think the solution is obvious |
| 00:11.13 | Gnarfoz | heh, Google removed the special redirect for "Bundeskanzler", no more live results |
| 00:11.26 | znf | you need to improve the audio stack of Android for your own good |
| 00:11.33 | znf | start from compiling your own kernel, I guess |
| 00:11.34 | nevcairiel | android in theory supports it |
| 00:11.39 | nevcairiel | at least in 5+ |
| 00:12.02 | nevcairiel | but a android tv box offering enough options to actually access it .. another matter entirely |
| 00:12.12 | nevcairiel | also, i would have to switch the USB over from PC to box all the time |
| 00:12.40 | znf | I still don't understand what speaker/hardware setup you have that requires USB |
| 00:13.13 | nevcairiel | I have a USB DAC, an amplifier, and a bunch of ordinary speakers, its not that special conceptually =p |
| 00:13.30 | znf | so get another one! |
| 00:13.58 | znf | I mean, I was interested on the physical connection from your usb dac to the amplifier or whatever :P |
| 00:14.58 | nebula | forced first map of cathedral |
| 00:14.59 | Torhal | Ressy: o.O |
| 00:14.59 | nebula | lolol |
| 00:15.10 | ls- | rip na#2, lmao |
| 00:15.20 | ls- | against meow and co |
| 00:16.06 | Gnarfoz | cathedral wasn't that bad last time they had it on the MDI |
| 00:16.20 | Gnarfoz | it's been nerfed to the ground so often it's a pretty "normal" map now |
| 00:17.37 | nevcairiel | znf: it uses 6.35mm balanced jacks, but thats just cables =p |
| 00:19.35 | znf | nevcairiel, so 2 x Jacks? |
| 00:19.40 | nevcairiel | maybe i could setup something like virtual audio cable to actually route audio from the browser to my proper audio device, but once i get a 4K screen the netflix web player will forsake me again anyway |
| 00:19.46 | nevcairiel | one jack per channel |
| 00:19.51 | znf | so 6? |
| 00:19.52 | znf | 4? |
| 00:20.04 | nevcairiel | 8 |
| 00:20.05 | znf | basically you're just doing analogue |
| 00:20.08 | znf | oh, that's a lot of jacks |
| 00:20.16 | nevcairiel | after the DAC its always analogue |
| 00:20.19 | nevcairiel | thats the f'ing point |
| 00:20.20 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 00:20.22 | Funkeh` | so when is this star trek flop coming out? :D 40min? |
| 00:20.26 | znf | Funkeh`, 10 |
| 00:20.27 | Gnarfoz | 10 min |
| 00:20.53 | Gnarfoz | but "out" is pushing it, considering the fucked up distribution concept |
| 00:22.31 | nevcairiel | mm apparently netflix supports 4k streaming on PCs now with certain hardware, maybe that might actually work afterall |
| 00:22.46 | nebula | kabylake |
| 00:23.01 | nevcairiel | also on nvidia 10 series gpus |
| 00:23.06 | nebula | oh really? |
| 00:23.10 | Torhal | I'll pass, Ressy - $450. |
| 00:23.13 | nevcairiel | with the latest win10 update or so |
| 00:23.25 | nevcairiel | and using edge, of course |
| 00:23.47 | Funkeh` | x265? |
| 00:23.55 | Gnarfoz | h265 |
| 00:24.16 | znf | do't they have their own wrapper/app? |
| 00:24.35 | nevcairiel | they do, but apparently this only works in edge so far |
| 00:24.42 | nevcairiel | DRM is ebil |
| 00:24.45 | Gnarfoz | wonder what encoder they're actually using for it |
| 00:24.57 | nevcairiel | for h265 i dont know |
| 00:24.58 | Gnarfoz | might even be x265, but I kind of doubt it |
| 00:25.05 | nevcairiel | i know the guy that wrote the encoder they use for vp9 though |
| 00:25.08 | znf | wait, so their own app, which uses edge afaik, doesn't do 4k? |
| 00:25.29 | nevcairiel | i dont think you can use edge from within apps yet |
| 00:25.29 | znf | so you have to use edge-proper to get 4k? |
| 00:25.32 | Funkeh` | what do you mean their own app uses edge? |
| 00:25.34 | nevcairiel | unless that changed recently |
| 00:25.35 | Gnarfoz | the only way to get Netflix 4K on a PC is using edge+kaby lake |
| 00:25.40 | Gnarfoz | unless something changed recently |
| 00:25.42 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: also nvidia 10 series now |
| 00:25.48 | Gnarfoz | thank the DRM gods for your fate |
| 00:25.57 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: oh? without kaby? |
| 00:25.59 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 00:26.02 | Gnarfoz | interesting |
| 00:26.10 | znf | Funkeh`: apparently their app on windows is just a wrapper, and afaik it uses edge |
| 00:26.14 | nevcairiel | needs recent win10 tho |
| 00:26.14 | znf | nev says otherwise |
| 00:26.22 | znf | I trust nev more than my memory |
| 00:26.34 | znf | The Windows 10 app supports streaming in up to 4K*. |
| 00:26.37 | znf | *Streaming in 4K requires an HDCP 2.2 compliant connection to a 4K capable display, Intel's 7th generation Core CPU, and the latest Windows updates. Check with the manufacturer of your system to verify specifications. |
| 00:26.53 | znf | from https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23931 |
| 00:26.54 | nevcairiel | maybe their app is just a launcher for edge =p |
| 00:27.08 | nebula | edge+netflix is playready |
| 00:27.27 | znf | fucking DRM |
| 00:27.35 | Gnarfoz | DRM is the true satan |
| 00:27.56 | nebula | you wouldn't steal a car, Gnarfoz |
| 00:28.01 | Gnarfoz | I'd download it instead |
| 00:29.03 | Funkeh` | I need to load up instant.io since I lost my ubuntu iso |
| 00:32.41 | znf | qbit? |
| 00:45.39 | znf | let's watch this baby driver crap |
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| 01:56.24 | Gnarfoz | hope Netflix's version isn't 1080p @ 4.5 Mbit/s ;p |
| 02:07.35 | znf | Star.Trek.Discovery.S01E01.The.Vulcan.Hello.1080p.CBS.WEB-DL.AAC2.0.x264-AJP69 |
| 02:07.57 | znf | Star.Trek.Discovery.S01E02.Battle.at.the.Binary.Stars.1080p.CBS.WEB-DL.AAC2.0.x264-AJP69 |
| 02:08.31 | znf | Bit rate : 4 180 Kbps |
| 02:08.36 | znf | heh |
| 02:10.27 | quiescens | moo |
| 02:10.45 | znf | meow |
| 02:15.50 | znf | well, 2 hours wasted on watching Baby Driver :-/ |
| 02:18.43 | quiescens | gives znf a cookie |
| 02:19.00 | znf | thanks |
| 02:19.02 | znf | gluten free? |
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| 02:57.43 | Myrroddin | is that new star trek show any good? |
| 02:59.03 | quiescens | no idea o.o |
| 02:59.25 | Myrroddin | eats quiescens cookies |
| 03:01.07 | Torhal | Cookies made from quiescens? |
| 03:01.08 | Torhal | Dafuq. |
| 03:01.18 | Myrroddin | just add salt |
| 03:05.54 | quiescens | ): |
| 03:06.23 | Myrroddin | gives quiescens MOAR cookies. like a lot. at least 4 |
| 03:32.49 | Gnarfoz | that's an interesting way to open the show? ^^ first two episodes spent basically on backstory... not even the eponymous ship appears ;D |
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| 04:03.31 | quiescens | o.o |
| 04:13.20 | Fisker | It's good |
| 04:20.10 | quiescens | i haven't seen it but a bit of backstory probably is probably to be expected given 10+ years since the end of the previous series? |
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| 06:13.39 | quiescens | coww |
| 06:17.01 | ls- | moo ):3 |
| 06:19.09 | Torhal | In space, nobody can hear you cow. |
| 06:21.19 | Phixion | :( |
| 07:38.17 | Bluspacecow | mooo |
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| 08:36.04 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: NF rips are out, a t least they have 5.1 audio, but still rather small for 1080p |
| 08:39.11 | Kalroth | i wonder why the NTb rips are so small, the scene releases are like 40% larger |
| 08:43.27 | nevcairiel | the NTb version looks better then the CBS Webrip tho |
| 08:43.30 | nevcairiel | even if its smaller |
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| 11:33.42 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth:Â because they're direct stream DLs and scene shit is probably HDTV capture? |
| 11:34.11 | Gnarfoz | also, surprised AJP69 either leaked out so quickly or he released on more than one tracker... |
| 11:34.32 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â guess I won't be watching it in the middle of the night in the future, then |
| 11:34.37 | Gnarfoz | at least Netflix knows how to operate x264 ^^ |
| 11:35.12 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: yeah, HDTV tends to be higher bitrate than WEB-DL |
| 11:35.25 | Gnarfoz | well, the encodes are. |
| 11:35.31 | Kalroth | no, the source is too |
| 11:35.31 | Gnarfoz | because they have to do that to not make it worse |
| 11:35.35 | Gnarfoz | rarely. |
| 11:35.38 | Gnarfoz | they just suck :D |
| 11:36.06 | Gnarfoz | and scene adds bitrate on top because they are effectively encoding an already encoded thing, so to avoid making it worse, they up the bitrate |
| 11:36.18 | Kalroth | HDTV source is usually 8-15mbit/s, WEB-DL is usually half that |
| 11:36.33 | Gnarfoz | 15 Mbit hdtv is rather rare |
| 11:36.57 | Gnarfoz | (also, HDTV has logos+other crap, ad breaks that need to be cut out, etc) |
| 11:37.14 | Kalroth | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r26938954-USA-HD-SyFy-HD-CBS-HD-Streaming-Bitrates |
| 11:37.15 | Kalroth | Here is what I found with three 1 minute recordings. |
| 11:37.15 | Kalroth | CBS HD (no probs), solid bitrate at 17000-19000 kb/s |
| 11:37.27 | Kalroth | and i think CBS HD is the source for this star trek rip |
| 11:37.30 | Gnarfoz | a first-generation WEB-DL is almost always better |
| 11:37.34 | Kalroth | no way |
| 11:37.37 | Gnarfoz | yes way |
| 11:37.48 | Kalroth | HDTV is almost always higher bit rate in my experience |
| 11:37.54 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't make it better quality |
| 11:38.02 | Kalroth | higher quality then, if you want |
| 11:38.15 | Gnarfoz | higher bitrate != higher quality |
| 11:38.30 | Kalroth | i know it isn't, i'm talking about what i see |
| 11:39.07 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: except HDTV in US is often still mpeg2 |
| 11:39.45 | Kalroth | is it? i thought they used mpeg4 now |
| 11:39.52 | nevcairiel | nah, they are far behind |
| 11:40.01 | Gnarfoz | "they" is not a homogenous group anyway |
| 11:40.12 | Gnarfoz | so YMMV depending on show, network, location, etc |
| 11:41.00 | nevcairiel | but yeah broadcast has other disadvantages, the most annoying being those popup ads for other shows at the bottom of the screen |
| 11:41.03 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, 3.65 Mbit/s for 1080p is typical Netflix stinginess |
| 11:41.22 | Kalroth | yeah i can see US is very much behind on using AVC |
| 11:41.25 | Kalroth | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_services_using_H.264/MPEG-4_AVC |
| 11:41.30 | Gnarfoz | Amazon throws 10 Mbit/s at that nowadays (perhaps too much, but closer to what makes sense) |
| 11:41.36 | nevcairiel | i downloaded some webrip release at 2gb per episode, looks fine soi far, but no idea what their source was |
| 11:41.51 | nevcairiel | for some reason people stop making proper nfos |
| 11:42.15 | Kalroth | webrip isn't allowed by scene standards, is it? |
| 11:42.22 | Kalroth | i thought it was only WEB (aka WEB-DL) |
| 11:42.25 | Gnarfoz | NFOs are scene stuff, and scene is known mostly for speed, not quality, so, meh ^^ |
| 11:42.32 | Kalroth | weeeeeeeeell |
| 11:42.35 | Kalroth | again we disagree :p |
| 11:42.37 | Gnarfoz | there's no need to make webrips when you can just download the untouched stream |
| 11:42.52 | Gnarfoz | probably just poor word choice on nev's part |
| 11:43.08 | nevcairiel | i'm just using the word they put in their filename |
| 11:43.15 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: i always download COMPLETE.BLURAY movies, how can that not be quality?! |
| 11:43.17 | Gnarfoz | well, that'd also explain the 2GB |
| 11:43.25 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth:Â derp, that's not an encode. |
| 11:43.33 | Kalroth | <Gnarfoz> NFOs are scene stuff, and scene is known mostly for speed, not quality, so, meh ^^ |
| 11:43.45 | nevcairiel | still looks better then the NTb NF thing, at least it feels that way |
| 11:43.48 | Gnarfoz | nev was complaining about lacking source info |
| 11:43.52 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: which release group? |
| 11:43.58 | nevcairiel | strife |
| 11:43.59 | Gnarfoz | source info on an untouched blu ray iso doesn't make much sense |
| 11:44.04 | Gnarfoz | the untouched Netflix stream is just 1.07 GiB |
| 11:44.15 | Gnarfoz | so if you have something that's 2 GiB, something is... strange :D |
| 11:44.29 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: oh, thats a scene group, so i think the file is mislabeled |
| 11:44.42 | Kalroth | (i think) |
| 11:44.43 | Gnarfoz | *1.15 GiB e01... 1.07 was e02 |
| 11:45.45 | Gnarfoz | apparently strife is a netflix capture |
| 11:45.49 | Gnarfoz | vs. stream download |
| 11:45.49 | Kalroth | Size: 2391487964 bytes (2.23 GiB), duration: 00:43:31, avg.bitrate: 7327 kb/s |
| 11:45.59 | Kalroth | yeah, it's a rip alright |
| 11:46.06 | Gnarfoz | not sure why they'd do that |
| 11:46.17 | Gnarfoz | (but also there's complaints about colors being wrong on NF) |
| 11:46.53 | Kalroth | i'll see how the HDTV release is tonight :p |
| 11:47.12 | nevcairiel | there is a brief color change at the beginning of the NF stream of ep1 |
| 11:47.26 | nevcairiel | which is both in the NF web-dl as well as that webrip |
| 11:47.31 | Gnarfoz | they say it changes from cut to cut |
| 11:47.49 | Gnarfoz | and that different countries' NF have different versions :D |
| 11:48.33 | Gnarfoz | maybe some issue with HDR (is it even offered in HDR?) |
| 11:48.50 | Gnarfoz | I'll let the the quality nerds figure it out |
| 11:48.59 | Kalroth | :P |
| 11:49.11 | Gnarfoz | CBS:AA version was fine by me, I only watch with headphones anyway ^^ |
| 11:51.28 | Gnarfoz | quiescens:Â it doesn't provide any context in-show as to its placement in the timeline (they said before that it's supposed to be 10 years before TOS) |
| 11:51.41 | Kalroth | Intel is announcing the availability of its 14-, 16- and 18-core processors â Intel® Core i9-7940X, Intel Core i9-7960X and Intel Core i9-7980XE processors â which begin shipping to ecosystem customers today. |
| 11:51.41 | Kalroth | The Core i9-7980XE is priced at USD $1,999 in the retailwith the Core i9-7960X selling at $1,699. |
| 11:51.45 | Kalroth | time to order new CPU, nevcairiel |
| 11:52.03 | nevcairiel | nah i'm happy with my 7900X |
| 11:52.47 | Gnarfoz | it just gives "yep, federation, yep, starfleet, klingons are re-emerging after 100 years, yep we have a higher vfx budget now" :D |
| 11:54.01 | Gnarfoz | more to my point, though: the pilot episode seems to be pretty stand-alone, considering the eponymous ship doesn't even appear and most everyone has a pretty... Game of Thronesy fate |
| 11:58.54 | Gnarfoz | ironically (perhaps not unintentionally), The Orville feels more TNG-y (with a sizeable helping of way too obvious humor) than this, and it's suppose to be a parody? or maybe it isn't |
| 12:00.41 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â are there important differences between High and Main profile? I noticed that Netflix uses Main@L4 but CBS uses High@L4 |
| 12:01.15 | Gnarfoz | (and CBS has more bitrate on top of that... how did they manage encoder settings that makes it look worse than NF? :D just goes to show you need to know how to use your encoder if you want a quality result...) |
| 12:02.44 | nevcairiel | High offers a few additional features, but most of them probably dont get used much, and it allows 25% more bitrate at the same levels |
| 12:02.52 | Gnarfoz | btw, Kalroth, the rest of the show won't be on "TV", anyway :D (and unless it's from Canada, HDTV only has e01, not e02) |
| 12:03.11 | Gnarfoz | I guess that's where the almost 1 Mbit/s difference comes from, then |
| 12:03.18 | Gnarfoz | 3480 vs 4500 |
| 12:03.28 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 12:03.33 | nevcairiel | main L4 allows 20mbit or so |
| 12:04.34 | Gnarfoz | oh, well |
| 12:04.35 | nevcairiel | doesnt mean you have to use the full 20 mbit =p |
| 12:04.36 | Gnarfoz | https://hastebin.com/eyiyecaqoz.pas CBS |
| 12:04.44 | Gnarfoz | https://hastebin.com/miniduzofi.pas Netflix |
| 12:05.05 | nevcairiel | are you sure those are not re-encoded |
| 12:05.12 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 12:05.20 | nevcairiel | i would highly doubt they would leave x264 metadata in their web streams |
| 12:05.29 | Gnarfoz | "This release is sourced from CBS All Access and is not transcoded, just remuxed from the direct stream." |
| 12:05.51 | Gnarfoz | "This release is sourced from Netflix." (and it's labeled WEB-DL, which on this tracker is reserved for unmolested downloads) |
| 12:06.26 | Gnarfoz | and why not? Amazon also has the metadata in there, AFAIK |
| 12:06.46 | Gnarfoz | Orville e03: https://hastebin.com/cuboluxotu.pas |
| 12:06.49 | Gnarfoz | (from Amazon) |
| 12:06.57 | nevcairiel | its not in there |
| 12:07.27 | Gnarfoz | what isn't? |
| 12:07.43 | nevcairiel | the encoding settings and writing library parts |
| 12:07.51 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 12:07.52 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 12:07.59 | Gnarfoz | thought you meant that the entire thing would be unavailable |
| 12:08.12 | nevcairiel | nah you cant hide that =p |
| 12:08.31 | Gnarfoz | anyway, ther's even some few and far between retail blu-rays that show they're encoded with x264, IIRC |
| 12:08.59 | nevcairiel | but those two are basically plain text metadata in the stream that x264 writes, and only x264, in the past those streaming providers have used other encoders as well |
| 12:09.12 | Gnarfoz | me=umh vs me=hex |
| 12:09.16 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 12:10.04 | nevcairiel | umh is theoretically a bit better |
| 12:10.10 | nevcairiel | but quite a bit slower |
| 12:10.42 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 12:14.15 | Gnarfoz | https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/creating-your-own-ec2-spot-market-part-2-106e53be9ed7 "we triggered 12,000 video encoding jobs over a weekend" >_> |
| 12:14.27 | Gnarfoz | their scale is just a tiny bit mind-boggling |
| 12:14.48 | nevcairiel | i wonder why noone grabs the vp9 NF streams |
| 12:14.52 | nevcairiel | they should be higher quality |
| 12:15.31 | nevcairiel | and it should be available at 1080p |
| 12:15.32 | Gnarfoz | they don't use them for non 4K/HDR stuff, I think |
| 12:15.44 | nevcairiel | HDR uses HEVC, afaik |
| 12:15.49 | Gnarfoz | https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/a-large-scale-comparison-of-x264-x265-and-libvpx-a-sneak-peek-2e81e88f8b0f (that's basically just an intro blurb, the real meat is in the video recording of the talk, linked at the bottom) |
| 12:16.15 | Gnarfoz | (that's a year old by now, bleh. was interesting to watch, though) |
| 12:17.10 | nevcairiel | apparently vp9 is only used for mobile encodes, maybe those would be lower bandwidth |
| 12:17.52 | nevcairiel | maybe they are worried about decode support on desktop PCs |
| 12:18.02 | Gnarfoz | c) all of the above |
| 12:20.29 | pompy | um fuck this quest http://www.wowhead.com/quest=48600 |
| 12:20.56 | pompy | its been 26 hrs and no mission popped yet. |
| 12:43.51 | nevcairiel | i'm still on 3/6 of 925, so gtfo :p |
| 12:50.03 | Gnarfoz | complete moar missions! |
| 12:56.02 | nevcairiel | i'm bored of this silly minigame |
| 13:19.00 | quiescens | o.o |
| 13:26.57 | Megalon | 950? :o |
| 13:27.08 | Megalon | guess i can't be bothered to quest anymore |
| 13:27.13 | Megalon | only got 925 guys |
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| 14:41.53 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â "However, users who download Netflix shows to most Android devices instead receive content encoded with VP9" |
| 14:41.58 | Gnarfoz | from http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/netflix-offline-downloads-codecs-vp9-1201932502/ |
| 14:42.07 | Gnarfoz | so I guess that particular DRM path is not attackable or something |
| 14:42.12 | Gnarfoz | or nobody cared to try |
| 14:42.56 | Gnarfoz | it also says NF streams are Main profile while NF downloads are High profile (for PCs, I guess? they don't specify) |
| 14:43.22 | Gnarfoz | which clashes a bit with the x264 info above, which says Main... that'd mean it's a stream source? no idea when/how you get a "download" from Netflix |
| 14:44.37 | znf | So which is better? |
| 14:51.59 | Gnarfoz | probably vp9 or they wouldn't have switched to it |
| 14:52.16 | Gnarfoz | the caveat being: if they only use it for mobile versions which are low bitrate anyway, there's no point |
| 14:53.04 | Gnarfoz | https://media.netflix.com/en/company-blog/downloads-make-it-even-easier-to-watch-netflix-on-the-go this uses it |
| 14:54.57 | Gnarfoz | "As an example, for streaming one episode of The Crown we store around 1,200 files!" granularity up to *here* |
| 14:54.59 | Gnarfoz | https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/content-popularity-for-open-connect-b86d56f613b |
| 15:09.10 | znf | Jesus |
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| 15:50.57 | quiescens | moo |
| 17:12.31 | Stanzilla | heyoooo |
| 17:12.47 | quiescens | o/ |
| 17:14.08 | znf | Stanzilla lives |
| 17:16.06 | znf | Gnarfoz, so how was ST:D? |
| 17:16.49 | Gnarfoz | *DSC |
| 17:17.10 | Gnarfoz | felt like when a movie trailer doesn't actually represent the movie well |
| 17:17.23 | Gnarfoz | except the double episode is the trailer here and the rest of the season is the movie :D |
| 17:17.26 | znf | gonna colla it STD |
| 17:17.33 | znf | gonna call it |
| 17:17.34 | znf | wtf |
| 17:18.10 | Gnarfoz | do what you want, none of the other trek series include "ST" in their acronyms ^^ |
| 17:18.43 | Gnarfoz | it felt strangely... self-contained |
| 17:18.55 | Megalon | STD sounds like a fun thing to get |
| 17:19.00 | Megalon | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 17:19.11 | Gnarfoz | Netflix gave me STD |
| 17:19.31 | znf | https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/7285dz/star_trek_discovery_series_premiere_discussion/dnhhwbt/ |
| 17:21.23 | Gnarfoz | yes, there's creative people on reddit |
| 17:21.34 | Gnarfoz | alas, the Discovery didn't even make an appearance in the pilot |
| 17:21.36 | Gnarfoz | so... whut |
| 17:21.46 | Gnarfoz | another reason why it was a bit strange :D |
| 17:23.42 | znf | >PS: There is an option for having subtitles in Klingon for the entire episodes |
| 17:23.53 | znf | that's... impressive |
| 17:25.41 | quiescens | the ships are purty |
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| 17:36.23 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I saw that earlier https://twitter.com/WerStreamtEs/status/912267973955551233 |
| 17:36.38 | Gnarfoz | had to update their shit to support Klingon subtitles :D |
| 17:39.04 | znf | nice https://i.imgur.com/3mVVAHT.png :D |
| 17:40.28 | Fisker | how do I into Klingo Gnarfoz? |
| 17:40.40 | Gnarfoz | you cannot |
| 17:41.03 | Gnarfoz | also cannot into space |
| 17:45.48 | Fisker | damnit |
| 17:52.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: re wrong colors... https://geektour.de/~smallbrain/test.mp4 :D |
| 17:52.24 | Gnarfoz | does indeed look a bit like it's supposed to be HDR |
| 17:53.32 | Megalon | that planet has a repid day/night cycle |
| 17:53.42 | Fisker | piracy is wrong Gnarfoz |
| 17:56.23 | Fisker | Why no Klingon dub? |
| 17:56.37 | Gnarfoz | for the human parts? |
| 17:56.39 | Megalon | because P'TACH |
| 17:57.38 | Gethe | Torhal: I made a project for Aurora, but it seems i need a logo for it. When I try to add one in settings, I click save and it says "A Project with that name already exists." |
| 17:57.50 | Fisker | Holy fucking brightness war Gnarfoz |
| 17:58.00 | Gnarfoz | it's the new loudness war |
| 17:58.07 | Fisker | Intro looks like a fucking Circus |
| 17:58.11 | Gnarfoz | (also, that clip has audio, if you find a browser that plays it, do tell) |
| 17:58.20 | Gnarfoz | well, it's not correct, that's why it's in the clip |
| 18:00.32 | znf | huh, you're right |
| 18:00.35 | znf | 5.1 AC3 |
| 18:00.44 | znf | guess the browser doesn't want to play 5.1 AC3 |
| 18:03.24 | Gnarfoz | browsers don't support AC3 afaik |
| 18:03.29 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: https://geektour.de/~smallbrain/test2.mp4 this is what it's supposed to look like |
| 18:03.55 | Fisker | Oh yeah I have the right version |
| 18:13.26 | znf | Now this is what you can call spam: https://i.imgur.com/fCtHOMB.png |
| 18:13.34 | Gethe | Torhal: the image I am wanting to use is 560x560 |
| 18:15.34 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/QOrjBCS.png |
| 18:15.42 | znf | that actually sounds tempting, those carbons look damn sweet |
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| 18:30.18 | Stanzilla | sounds like scam |
| 18:32.44 | znf | refurbished |
| 18:33.39 | Stanzilla | still scam |
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| 18:35.54 | Funkeh` | you're a scam |
| 19:10.44 | EthanCentaurai | my face is a scam |
| 19:42.42 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: interesting, apparently Netflix only keeps HDR masters around when a show has them, and tonemap to SDR on the fly when needed - and that part apparently failed ^^ |
| 19:42.58 | Gnarfoz | also http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118400 |
| 19:43.04 | Gnarfoz | CBS actually looks better here |
| 19:43.29 | Gnarfoz | (neither are great, though) |
| 19:44.26 | Stanzilla | the wall looks terrible |
| 19:45.29 | Gnarfoz | obviously, it's a big, samey-color area without much detail that doesn't move... it's where the compression gets its lunch :D |
| 19:46.56 | Gnarfoz | http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118454/picture:0 |
| 19:47.03 | Gnarfoz | dat brightness difference (particularly on #2 as well) |
| 19:47.32 | Stanzilla | ah geez, rick |
| 19:47.56 | Gnarfoz | time for a HDR capable TV, it seems |
| 19:47.57 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:48.36 | Stanzilla | my brother is getting one next month |
| 19:48.48 | Stanzilla | this year's sonys are really nice |
| 19:49.28 | Gnarfoz | are any OLEDs within non-kidney price ranges, yet |
| 19:49.38 | Stanzilla | no |
| 19:49.38 | Gnarfoz | because really, nothing else seems to make much sense ^^ |
| 19:50.01 | Stanzilla | https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/a1-series |
| 19:50.13 | Gnarfoz | cheapest oled is at 1174⬠|
| 19:50.19 | Gnarfoz | that's... not too excessive |
| 19:50.39 | Stanzilla | not much use getting a bad oled over a good non oled though |
| 19:50.48 | Gnarfoz | there are bad oleds? |
| 19:50.58 | Gnarfoz | the thing that makes oleds be awesome can't really be done badly, can it |
| 19:51.02 | Gnarfoz | (namely: it being oled :D) |
| 19:51.11 | Stanzilla | that is very wishful thinking |
| 19:51.21 | Stanzilla | PenTile is pretty bad |
| 19:51.24 | Gnarfoz | nonsense |
| 19:51.32 | Gnarfoz | not sure why people keep repeating that crap xD |
| 19:51.40 | Gnarfoz | also, does anyone make pentile tvs |
| 19:51.48 | Gnarfoz | I guess they could add a backlight to the OLED panel to ruin the blacklevels |
| 19:51.51 | Stanzilla | it came up again because of the iphone x |
| 19:52.18 | Gnarfoz | and the result was... it doesn't matter because pixel density has been ridiculously overkill for years now? :D |
| 19:52.25 | Stanzilla | tldr is they are not very bright |
| 19:52.28 | Stanzilla | so colors look shitty |
| 19:52.31 | Gnarfoz | u wot? |
| 19:53.40 | Stanzilla | I cant find the article that I read :D |
| 19:55.03 | Gnarfoz | http://www.displaymate.com/Diamond_39.html |
| 19:55.33 | Gnarfoz | (nothing but praise there) |
| 19:56.21 | Stanzilla | https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/iphone-x-diamond-matrix-pentile.2519551/ |
| 19:56.43 | Stanzilla | I think it was this that I remembred: As a reminder, a diamond matrix pentile screen means that of the iPhone X's 450PPI, the red and blue colour channels actually have 2/3rds of that, ending up at resolving power closer to the base 8, rather than 400PPI Plus. The green channel, where people can see more detail with our eyeballs, does have the advertised resolution. Pentile also has nonlinear arra |
| 19:59.02 | Gnarfoz | that is written so confusingly, I can barely tell what message he wants to convey |
| 20:00.07 | Stanzilla | *shrug* |
| 20:00.31 | Gnarfoz | (that picture, though... is your iphone x that size? it's like 4x as big as it actually is, and then zoomed in another x8? nobody can see this with th eir eyes) |
| 20:01.30 | Gnarfoz | no idea :D I can just say that my S4 and S7 are both perfectly fine; it was rather visible on the S1, but that was far lower res and 7 years ago |
| 20:02.02 | Gnarfoz | also, back to TVs |
| 20:02.18 | Gnarfoz | I don't think Samsung have entered the OLED TV market, have they? |
| 20:02.32 | Gnarfoz | so fear (valid or not) of pentile there seems unfounded |
| 20:02.59 | Gnarfoz | wtf is HLG HDR |
| 20:03.07 | Gnarfoz | hybrid log gamma, hmm |
| 20:03.38 | Stanzilla | I never look at Samsung TVs tbh |
| 20:04.14 | Fisker | But Stanzilla Apple knows their security |
| 20:04.20 | Gnarfoz | cheapest OLED with Dolby Vision, HDR10 and HLG: some 55" LG for ~1800⬠|
| 20:04.36 | Gnarfoz | that's... quite a bit, but not as much as I was expecting |
| 20:04.46 | Gnarfoz | (also, it's too big for my room.) |
| 20:07.28 | Fisker | You need 65" for 4k |
| 20:07.56 | Gnarfoz | I didn't mention 4K at all! ^^ |
| 20:08.30 | Fisker | I know |
| 20:08.35 | Gnarfoz | there seems to be more HDR content than 4K content right now, tbh |
| 20:08.59 | Fisker | You also know that the only displays that support what you want supports at least 4k |
| 20:09.05 | Gnarfoz | I do |
| 20:09.05 | Stanzilla | why 65" for 4k? |
| 20:09.31 | Gnarfoz | because he follows some arbitrary rule that decrees "you can't see more than 30 fps anyway!" errr :D |
| 20:09.39 | Gnarfoz | (too small to tell the difference, basically) |
| 20:09.42 | Fisker | Pretty much the minimum resolution at which it makes sense unless you're facehugging the TV |
| 20:10.00 | Fisker | Not arbitrary but science |
| 20:10.18 | Gnarfoz | science doesn't know how close I'm sitting to my TV and science can't make me sit anywhere! :P |
| 20:10.32 | Gnarfoz | my 48" is 4K already anyway, but so far the 4K content has been mostly compressed to death so it doesn't really make much of a difference :( |
| 20:11.02 | Gnarfoz | same reason 50000 ppi phone displays don't make sense |
| 20:11.35 | Gnarfoz | unless you're using your eyeball to use the touchscreen :D |
| 20:11.46 | Fisker | Typically you want even higher density displays for mobiles |
| 20:12.24 | Gnarfoz | the density we're at is already pointless unless you're going for something like GearVR (which includes a fucking magnifying lens :D) |
| 20:12.26 | Fisker | I use my tongue for the most part |
| 20:14.29 | Gnarfoz | I use my nipples |
| 20:14.48 | Gnarfoz | znf: how was baby driver |
| 20:16.19 | znf | Gnarfoz, bad |
| 20:16.20 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: https://geizhals.de/sony-kd-55a1-a1590212.html?hloc=at&hloc=de so pricey :C |
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| 20:53.06 | Torhal | Gethe: Try now - there was an old project with the same name. |
| 20:56.39 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i'm holding out for next years models, hopefully with HDMI 2.1 |
| 21:03.47 | znf | rounds like these make me a sad panda https://i.imgur.com/zNHuzcm.png |
| 22:29.46 | znf | Uh |
| 22:30.03 | znf | Why isn't the computer using the startrek computer voice lady? |
| 23:06.38 | Torhal | ... |
| 23:16.20 | ls- | ??? |
| 23:18.39 | pompy | ,,,,,,,,,,, |
| 23:36.10 | znf | I actually like their uniforms |
| 23:59.02 | znf | Torhal, but, but... lady who was computer-voice recorded everything so they can use her forever :( |
