IRC log for #wowace on 20171026

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00:11.23Funkeh`Torhal, https://www.neowin.net/news/valve-introduces-digital-gift-cards-to-steam
00:11.32Funkeh`now we can have steam cards right
00:20.33TorhalFisker: Looks like this all has to be done via Steam accounts, so I don't see how that's applicable to the Reward Store.
00:20.39TorhalFunkeh`, rather.
00:20.50TorhalThat wasn't a tab fail - I actually typed fisk-TAB
00:20.56Torhalheaddesks.
00:27.07Funkeh`Torhal, surely it's more applicable than manually buying the fucking cards?
00:28.54TorhalYou can't just order them and have them fulfilled. We would have to have a Steam account that all of us would have to have access to, have everyone who placed an order be a friend on that Steam account, etcetera.
00:28.56TorhalFucking nightmare.
00:30.06TorhalLogistically untenable.
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01:01.46PrimerTorhal: here, have 187 developer points
01:01.59Primeras that number will not be going up ever again for me
01:02.19Torhalo.O
01:02.40quiescenso.o
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01:31.10Primerzero dot zero
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04:13.42FiskerIt's okay Torhal
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09:58.22znfsomeone explain me how exactly do these work over USB: https://img1.banggood.com/thumb/large/oaupload/banggood/images/E2/98/de79acaf-3f46-46b5-840c-4df76394585e.JPG
10:09.13nevcairielits probably not actual USB, just using the cabling
10:10.02quiescenswhat is it actually supposed to be
10:10.45nevcairielits a PCIe 1x riser for mining
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10:15.59znfnevcairiel, so PCIe 1x uses just 4 wires?!
10:17.20nevcairiela lot of those are power
10:17.41quiescensa lot of power and ground
10:18.00znfinteresting
10:18.14nevcairielwho knows how it really works
10:18.31nevcairielhaving a controller on there would probably be too expensive
10:18.51nevcairiela bunch of the ports are SMBus and JTAG, which it might not need
10:20.27nevcairielthe x1 ports have all those fancy management pins, since all cards share those. after that its only adding data lanes
10:21.48nevcairielall the power delivery is in the x1 section as well
10:21.48znfso many ground pins
10:22.20znfnever really understood why "new" standards since SATA use so many pins for power
10:22.22nevcairielthey dont seem to use the opposing pins for data at the same time, probably to avoid cross-talk
10:22.35znffrom old 3.5" HDDs that only use 4 pins for power, we then have sata using... how many?
10:22.46znf15?
10:23.20nevcairielthats because the pins are so tiny, you get 3 for each voltage to avoid heating the connector
10:23.36quiescensits still the same 4 thingies
10:23.46quiescens+3.3, +5, +12, ground
10:23.47Gnarfoz^
10:23.48znfquiescens, I know it's the same thing
10:23.50GnarfozEach voltage is supplied by three pins ganged together (and 5 pins for ground). This is because the small pins cannot supply sufficient current for some devices
10:23.58nevcairielwhat i said
10:24.30nevcairielthe molex plugs had huge pins
10:24.31Gnarfoz(in case you had forgotten, cross-section of conductors is somewhat relevant. :P)
10:25.02nevcairielbut the molex plugs were also annoying to use, also on 2.5" drives they would hardly fit =p
10:26.00Gnarfozanyway, that adapter looks like an electrical fire waiting to happen :D
10:26.19nevcairielits quite common for those mining rigs
10:27.01nevcairielalthough in a better setup it might use an actual PCIe power cable, and not that tiny power adapter
10:27.27quiescensa lot of power supplies probably don't have a lot of spare pcie power cable connectors though
10:27.50nevcairielwonder if those SATA things are even rated for 75W
10:29.20nevcairieldoesnt seem too bad, its rated for 4.5A on each voltage, so 54W on 12V, plus a bit of change on 5 and 3.3
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11:02.08znfso, question
11:02.26znfsome GPUs ship with a HDMI to VGA adapter
11:02.38znfHow the hell do they work?
11:03.09znfbecause they don't look like they have any room for an active converter, and last time I checked you can't passively convert digital video to analogue that easy
11:04.30bluhungrycowrun.
11:05.17quiescensgives bluhungrycow an extra cookie
11:05.32bluhungrycowBRB
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11:19.40Gnarfozthese? https://www.amazon.com/VicTsing-Gold-Plated-Converter-Adapter-Desktop/dp/B016HL4CAY
11:20.54Gnarfozdoesn't do HDCP, from the "DO NOT support blu-ray, ps3, ps4" description, and no audio, so maybe the rest fits in that small shell ^^
11:21.09znfthey seemed smaller than those
11:21.19znfas in, less bulky
11:21.28znfbut I've only spent like 2 minutes with them in my hand, so I can't be sure
11:24.08Gnarfozhttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/518I3zttoCL._SL1600_.jpg
11:24.14Gnarfozthat doesn't look bulky or big or any of those
11:24.38znfwhen I get back to the datacenter, maybe this year, I'll check them again
11:24.46Gnarfozit's as small as an USB A connector
11:25.37nevcairielGnarfoz: how would a HDMI to VGA converter ever even do audio :D
11:25.47Gnarfoznevcairiel: headphone jack, other models have it
11:26.17GnarfozI'm moderately impressed: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71c4kmaC+bL.jpg
11:26.25nevcairielmore importantly, who still need vga
11:26.28Gnarfozthat really is tiny
11:26.37Gnarfozprobably some KVM
11:27.15Gnarfozhttps://www.amazon.com/VicTsing-Gold-Plated-Converter-Adapter-Laptop/dp/B016HL49OS/ this one has audio
11:28.16znfour monitor(s) in the DC only have VGA
11:28.27znfyou don't really see servers with DVI :D
11:28.51nevcairielwhich is weird, because digital output is far easier then analog
11:28.53Gnarfozyou don't really see servers with HDMI, either
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11:29.08Gnarfozyou usually get VGA, if anything
11:29.31Gnarfoz(sounds like someone put a GPU in there)
11:30.15nevcairielspeaking of, i wanted to check if i can find a good 1050 or something to put into my server for transcoding
11:31.09nevcairiel1050 Ti probably to get the extra memory
11:31.44quiescenshow many memories does that even take?
11:31.58nevcairielthe 1050 only has 2gb, thats not a whole lot
11:31.58Gnarfozonly the great memories
11:32.33nevcairielif i'm like decoding and downscaling 4k on the gpu, rather buy with headroom
11:32.47znfGnarfoz, well, HDMI has licensing costs, afaik?
11:32.56Gnarfozindeed it does
11:33.11Gnarfozwhich is why you don't see it built into servers oO
11:33.49znfDVI doesn't tough :D
11:33.56znfor?
11:34.10quiescensthe hdmi license cost is silly
11:34.18znfit is
11:34.26quiescenseven selling a cable is supposed to have the license cost per unit
11:34.43znftough there should be DP connections these days
11:35.30znfwtf is "Xeon Scalable"?
11:36.02znfwhat does the scalable stand for?
11:36.59nevcairielSP is just what EP is now called
11:37.42nevcairielmaybe scalable because multi-processor capable
11:37.48znfhttps://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/7U/7089/SYS-7089P-TR4T.cfm
11:37.52znfthis looks so weird
11:39.06Gnarfozit's supermicro craziness, of course it does
11:39.25znfI don't understand how this works :D
11:39.30znfhttp://www.supermicro.com/manuals/motherboard/C620/MNL-1982.pdf
11:40.13Gnarfozvery carefully
11:40.19Gnarfozthat manual won't load :(
11:40.24znfit's big
11:40.26znftakes a while
11:40.29znf>web size http://www.supermicro.com/manuals/motherboard/C620/MNL-1982.pdf
11:40.46Gnarfozit's big *and* slow
11:40.52znfloaded up for me
11:41.05Gnarfoznow it suddenly finished
11:41.16Gnarfozonly got to page 5 over 3 minutes
11:41.22Gnarfozthen suddenly the remaining 120 pages appeared
11:41.28Gnarfozprobably proxy doing AV scan or some shit
11:41.52znfnah, it was slow for me too
11:42.54znfbased on the schematics, those CPUs are fucking huge
11:43.13Gnarfozof course they are
11:43.30znfalso, skimming trough the manual, they've added HTTP boot support
11:43.32znfthat is impressive
11:43.39znfthey're catching up with gPXE :P
11:43.59Gnarfozhttps://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/news/5/7/57293_07_intel-launches-xeon-platinum-gold-cpus-28c-56t.jpg
11:44.00Gnarfozlul
11:44.17znfholy shit
11:44.45Gnarfozfucking quasselweb, scroll down to the latest message, will you
11:44.45nevcairielgotta beat AMD in package size as well
11:44.59Gnarfozmaybe it's time to give the web 5.0 lounge a try
11:45.11Gnarfozquassel feels like abandonware more and more :P
11:45.25Gnarfoz(yes, quassel-webserver is not part of quassel... it really should be, tho :P)
11:45.26nevcairielyour silly web client is third party, yaknow
11:45.44Gnarfozthe desktop client has issues, though, as does the core
11:46.00Gnarfozsome of which have even been fixed, but, you know, releases
11:46.01Gnarfoz:>_>
11:46.08nevcairielnone that really affect me on a daily basis
11:46.14nevcairielmy core is a git build tho
11:46.30nevcairieltoo lazy to do that for the client
11:46.36znfGnarfoz, but then you'd have to get your hands dirty of poo
11:46.38znfI mean npm
11:47.03znffuck it, sleep time, nothing important at work
11:52.55quiescenssleep is good
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12:57.49ls-quiescens: moo is better https://instagram.com/p/BarfXLwBk1I/
12:59.34ls-https://instagram.com/p/BampUZuhD_t/ that's a cow-bear o_O
13:33.12znfthis cat is majestic as fuck https://www.instagram.com/p/BahB6JchJz6/?taken-by=riuttahighland
13:42.55quiescensgo to sleep
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14:14.53Ven``wow! what gives? there are actually people here!
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14:31.51Gnarfoz...yes? hello
14:33.54Ven``Gnarfoz: hello :). I had asked a question in the forums and was looking through it, but a lot of info is outdated, as can be expected from a community of that age
14:34.22Gnarfozgood point... I don't think I've been on the wowace/curseforge forums in several years
14:35.15Ven``Doing addon dev seems to have a fairly high barrier to entry :)
14:35.33Ven``Gnarfoz: do people ask lua/addon question here, or try their luck with the forums?
14:36.49Gnarfozit's become rare in here, but you can try, particular if it's Ace3-specific; #wowuidev (often considered "next door") is probably a better bet, though
14:37.38Ven``Gnarfoz: so this is "ye ol'-timeys meeting-point" nowadays? :P
14:37.54Gnarfozpretty much our living room, yeah
14:38.47Ven``fair 'nuff. I guess I'll #wowuidev for my actual question. I'd rather not spam a single question in 7 different places
14:41.03Gnarfozhehe yeah
14:44.28Ven``Let's try my luck then!
14:45.29Ven``Thanks for the heads up, O Gnarfoz, guardian of the ancient relics :P.
14:46.20Gnarfozmurmurs something about lawns
14:46.39quiescensgives Gnarfoz a cookie
14:47.04Ven``.oO( Old man yells at lawns..? )
14:48.46Gnarfozhttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_q2OfA7Firz0/TCEm-NFJ7yI/AAAAAAAAAAM/2JWrc8Jb66s/S1600-R/get+off+my+lawn.jpg thing
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15:03.16Gnarfozhttp://www.nextpowerup.com/news/39270/apples-shows-will-lack-nudity-violence-and-strong-language/ so, only boring safe space shows, then
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16:40.19nevcairielTypical Apple though
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