IRC log for #wowace on 20171229

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16:46.10quiescensmoo\
16:48.36znfmoo yourself, quiescens
16:48.56quiescenso.o
21:59.36Gnarfoznevcairiel: got a link to your latest quasselclient build?
22:00.37znfHI GNARFOZ HOW HAVE YOU BEEN? ALL GOOD? I MISSED YOU
22:00.45Gnarfoz(my quassel-webserver won't allow properly load)
22:01.04Gnarfozznf: see above :-(
22:01.47GnarfozI should more appropriately be called GnarfDroid right now
22:02.01znfyou should just do irccloud :D
22:02.16GnarfozThey won't get my €
22:02.26znf*shrug*
22:02.35GnarfozI'll rather switch to that  Lounge thing
22:02.40znfI realized today it's been 4 years :D
22:02.48znfsicne I went the irccloud way
22:02.59GnarfozI used it in the past
22:04.24quiescenscloudfoz!
22:06.28GnarfozHe's been away for a while
22:07.20quiescens):
22:17.22Gnarfozoh my god it's UGLEH
22:17.33Gnarfozunthemed quasselclient
22:25.30Gnarfozsomeone should be embarrassed about this https://github.com/quassel/quassel/compare/0.12.4...quassel:master
22:27.01Gnarfozznf: u want dis? https://media.nbb-cdn.de/images/products/220000/225873/dbd_1.jpg
22:27.42znfno, it's probably crap
22:29.51znfI like my keyboards with a bit of bezel on the bottom
22:30.38znfalso, whoever designed that ESC key can stick it up their ass
22:30.39znfsideways
22:32.11Gnarfozthey designed it to fit the other way, obviously
22:32.26znfwhy do they do that?
22:32.36Gnarfozthey're designers
22:32.45Gnarfozq.e.d.
22:33.01Gnarfozznf: I recall an earlier version of that TTS paper, they seem to have gotten no closer to that tech being adopted anywhere?
22:33.07znfdunno
22:40.09Gnarfozoh god this quassel build has some kind of popup preview when hovering over an URL
22:42.54znfthat's awesome
22:43.14Gnarfozluckily, I found the option to turn it off
22:44.39nevcairieli so hate that feature, hence why my builds dont have it
22:45.17nevcairiel(not to mention that the embedded webkit probably makes up 90% of the binary size)
22:46.44znfdo you really need the whole webkit to just embed an image?
22:46.56nevcairielhow else do you render a website
22:47.28znfwait, it's complete website preview?
22:48.05znfI was thinking just image preview(s)
22:49.14Gnarfoznevcairiel: got a link to your latest? ^^ I had to resort to https://quassel.romibi.ch/
22:50.11nevcairielhttps://files.1f0.de/quassel-x64-0.12.3-qt5.5.1.7z i think, i have been meaning to do a new one from git master but muh lazy
22:52.58Gnarfozznf: websites https://i.imgur.com/ypltUFt.png
22:53.06znfoh
22:53.07znfthat's retarded
22:53.17Gnarfoznevcairiel: mh, that's older than the one on the website, even, :D
22:53.19nevcairielits also unstable and makes the client crash often
22:53.34nevcairielbetween 0.12.3 and .4 were mostly core changes tho
22:53.47GnarfozI guess :D
22:53.56GnarfozI think I'm using that build at home
22:54.02znfare you sure it's actually renderng it and not calling an external preview service?
22:54.05nevcairielmy client is .3 anyway
22:54.06Gnarfozthis one has Qt 5.7, that's probably totally important (not)
22:54.14nevcairieldont be daft znf
22:54.53znfI'm just asking
22:54.58Gnarfozthis client binary is 6.56 MiB
22:55.00znfbecause that seems like a very retarded thing to do
22:55.05nevcairieland i'm just telling you that you are stupid
22:55.31Gnarfozy tho? seems like a valid, if terrible, solution
22:55.53nevcairielits one of those things that hipster kiddies like
22:56.04nevcairielnext up: actually inlining the screengrab of the website in chat
22:56.06nevcairielmakes it more hip
22:56.10Gnarfozso is including webkit to render link previews
22:56.55nevcairielapparently shit like slack or something has that
22:56.58Gnarfozwell, irccloud already does that for him, like Schleck and Discord and such, it's in good (or rather, hip) company :D
22:56.58nevcairielits the new shite
22:57.33Gnarfozobligatory mention of the relevant xkcd
22:57.42znfirccloud doesn't render the whole website :-|
22:58.03znfa sane solution is to just preview image links
22:58.06znfor micro-embeds
22:58.33znfslack doesn't do that (at least not for me), it just renders a snippet
22:58.42znfthe og: meta tags, more specifically
22:59.33nevcairielthats even worse, it inserts a free ad banner
22:59.47znfhuh? where?
23:00.08Gnarfozthat's what's in most og: meta tags
23:00.11znfit just displays the content in a reduced form
23:00.21Gnarfozalso, Slack auto-inlines image links
23:00.22znfsaves a click, saves data, doesn't render 5mb of javascript
23:00.28nevcairielthe meta tags are not content, they are an ad
23:00.57znfhow are they an ad?
23:01.06Gnarfozit only saves anything if you then end up not clicking the link
23:01.23nevcairielhow are they not an ad?
23:01.53Gnarfoz(also, inb4 they use phantomjs or something to grab the stuff, which entirely invalidates the concept of saving anything, certainly not CPU time spent on JS :D)
23:02.25znfGnarfoz, sometimes it's enough
23:02.34Gnarfozsometimes, the link is enough! :P
23:02.52Gnarfozmost of the time, I end up clicking the little "X" to make the preview go away, though
23:03.03nevcairielthe og meta tags are designed to create a small "teaser" of a website when its linked on facebook or in skype or anywhere else, basically an ad for itself. so now i not only have to ignore the dumb links people post, but also the ads to those websites
23:03.20Gnarfozor actually getting into the horrible habit of wrapping my links in <> (Discord), to suppress link preview
23:03.42znftwitter literally gives you the whole content in the embed
23:04.15Gnarfozpossibly an edge case since Twitter's "content" used to be 140 chars
23:06.35znfI don't really use the whole inline shit, but having preview-on-hover on an image (not link!) is a very nice feature
23:06.50znfwish my hexchat had it
23:06.59znfI mean, an image link, not website link
23:07.02znfyou know what I mean

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