| 01:20.08 | *** join/#wowace purl (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 01:20.08 | *** topic/#wowace is https://wowace.com/ | 7.3.x ToC: 70300 | https://wowace.com/paste/ | http://lua.org | This channel is logged, via purl |
| 01:45.33 | quiescens | go to sleep znf |
| 01:45.41 | znf | no, need to patch shit |
| 01:45.43 | znf | because Intel |
| 01:46.23 | quiescens | sleep is good o.o |
| 01:55.33 | Torhal | reveals to quiescens that znf is an Intel product. |
| 01:56.43 | quiescens | o.o |
| 02:47.04 | *** join/#wowace chazowi (268477a3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.38.132.119.163) |
| 03:09.53 | *** join/#wowace Elmoe (~Elmoe@24.18.143.238) |
| 03:12.51 | *** join/#wowace Funkeh` (~Funkeh`@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 03:12.51 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Funkeh`] by ChanServ |
| 03:49.08 | *** join/#wowace Seerah (~umsin@2601:3c2:101:320:64f9:56d6:4219:6d7f) |
| 03:52.17 | *** join/#wowace Archarodim (~Archarodi@lev92-3-78-203-110-56.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 05:29.48 | *** join/#wowace ShadniX (dagger@p5B3D2EBC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:54.38 | *** join/#wowace ShadniX (dagger@p5B3D2C9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:59.27 | *** join/#wowace mitch0 (~mitch@84-236-93-83.pool.digikabel.hu) |
| 09:05.49 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (~wig0r@212-60-175-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 09:28.01 | Gnarfoz | meh, when you forget 3 days in a row to take your dashcam memory card out to pull something off of it and then it's too late because it's already overwritten :D |
| 09:37.01 | znf | no youtube fame for you :( |
| 09:38.43 | *** join/#wowace Seerah (~umsin@2601:3c2:101:320:64f9:56d6:4219:6d7f) |
| 09:45.59 | quiescens | moo? |
| 09:57.36 | Gnarfoz | more like "no dad, you can't park on that side of that road you're talking about, because there are literally no parking spaces there. so the mobile speed camera trailer can't be parked there" :P |
| 10:01.38 | quiescens | o.O |
| 10:09.56 | *** join/#wowace [1]Archarodim (~Archarodi@lev92-3-78-203-110-56.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:17.57 | harl | A new time-based raid event was created |
| 10:20.19 | quiescens | gives harl a cookie |
| 10:21.28 | harl | faints |
| 10:22.33 | quiescens | ): |
| 10:37.28 | *** join/#wowace Sigyn (sigyn@freenode/utility-bot/sigyn) |
| 11:31.07 | Gnarfoz | :s |
| 11:31.38 | Gnarfoz | my dashcam writes videos with VFR for some reason and WhatsApp doesn't acccept those at all :D |
| 11:32.46 | Gnarfoz | (I guess remuxing it and editing the header with mkvtoolnix or something to say "CFR, 60 fps" might do the trick, but I just reencoded it with avidemux and used its change fps filter... terrible) |
| 11:36.14 | *** join/#wowace Parnic (user@distribution.xbins.org) |
| 11:39.03 | quiescens | o.o |
| 11:48.00 | Gnarfoz | znf: what's your problem btw? :D |
| 11:49.16 | Gnarfoz | https://i.imgur.com/1zMfxYm.png |
| 11:49.19 | Gnarfoz | seems fine? ^^ |
| 11:56.37 | Gnarfoz | also, for 26.8 Mbit/s 1080p60 the quality is really shite |
| 11:56.58 | Gnarfoz | should perhaps have gotten nebula's model |
| 11:57.12 | Gnarfoz | (or something else entirely. or /nothing/! :P) |
| 12:39.26 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (~wig0r@212-60-175-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 12:41.15 | Funkeh` | what's the point of the dashcam? |
| 12:52.20 | Gnarfoz | same as everywhere, proof in case shit happens and I'm not at fault ^^ |
| 12:53.02 | nevcairiel | interesting, my phone already got a security update today, either its not related to the recent shit, or samsung is faster then I thought they would be |
| 12:53.10 | Gnarfoz | January patch level? |
| 12:54.51 | nevcairiel | december, but the flaw has been known for months, so it might have been in there |
| 12:55.31 | Gnarfoz | I think Google said its Pixel/Nexus devices that have the January update are coverfed |
| 12:55.34 | Gnarfoz | -f |
| 12:55.42 | haste | someone mentioned jan 5 update was for CPU flaw nevcairiel |
| 12:55.43 | Gnarfoz | which of course doesn't preclude it being in December |
| 12:55.47 | haste | a couple of days ago |
| 12:56.36 | Gnarfoz | I meant: being in the December update |
| 12:57.51 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: which of our 3 terrible carriers are you on? |
| 12:58.19 | haste | https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2018-01-01 makes it seem december does not cover it |
| 12:58.26 | nevcairiel | magenta |
| 12:58.33 | Gnarfoz | figures |
| 12:58.54 | Funkeh` | but it's samsung, so who knows |
| 12:58.54 | nevcairiel | through a reseller tho |
| 12:59.00 | Gnarfoz | so, no LTE? |
| 12:59.06 | nevcairiel | no |
| 12:59.18 | nevcairiel | but i don't really miss it |
| 12:59.31 | Gnarfoz | well, you don't go outside much, :D |
| 12:59.34 | nevcairiel | I get H+ in most areas |
| 12:59.41 | nevcairiel | which is pretty decent |
| 13:01.05 | Gnarfoz | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/working_home :D |
| 13:01.33 | nevcairiel | i'm at 3 years, they dont even have a illustration for that |
| 13:04.27 | Funkeh` | haha |
| 13:11.54 | Funkeh` | Gnarfoz: it's pretty accurate, other than the self neglect, but that might vary person to person |
| 13:25.18 | *** join/#wowace stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@80-109-205-54.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 13:25.18 | *** join/#wowace stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 13:51.18 | *** join/#wowace ajmitch (ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch) |
| 14:47.38 | Funkeh` | stolenlegacy: your irc cloak is useless without using SASL authentication, we just see you join with your hotname, leave, and then join with your cloak |
| 14:58.34 | quiescens | funkeh is a spai |
| 14:58.37 | quiescens | o.o |
| 14:59.06 | quiescens | bribes Funkeh` with a cookie |
| 15:01.31 | Gnarfoz | should set mode +x before joining channels |
| 15:02.21 | quiescens | what does a +x do o.o |
| 15:05.00 | Megalon | a third of what +xxx does |
| 15:05.04 | Megalon | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 15:05.14 | Gnarfoz | nothing documented on freenode, as it appears |
| 15:06.32 | Gnarfoz | (note that hiding your hostname is not the goal of cloaks, anyway. https://freenode.net/kb/answer/cloaks) |
| 15:08.12 | quiescens | nerf Gnarfoz |
| 15:18.23 | Funkeh` | i dont really care what his goal is, it's the rejoin that bugs me :P |
| 15:18.54 | quiescens | /pat Funkeh` |
| 15:20.28 | Gnarfoz | I have the ultimate answer to that, but you don't like it ;-] |
| 15:20.55 | Gnarfoz | also, I'm hungry |
| 15:21.22 | quiescens | gives Gnarfoz a cookie |
| 15:21.27 | Gnarfoz | MOAR |
| 15:36.35 | znf | Gnarfoz, well, *deep breath* |
| 15:37.03 | znf | Gnarfoz, for our shared hosting platform we use CloudLinux 6, which is a layer on top of CentOS6. |
| 15:38.17 | znf | They have a "hybrid" kernel where they slapped a 3.10 kernel on top of CloudLinux 6, so you can get newer linux features on that |
| 15:38.47 | Gnarfoz | I patiently wait how any of this ends up being Red Hat's fault |
| 15:39.23 | Gnarfoz | (3.10 is what RHEL7 uses, why don't they just move to 7 as a base? :D) |
| 15:39.39 | znf | There's no upgrade path from CentOS6 to 7 |
| 15:40.14 | Gnarfoz | I didn't claim there was nor did I imply such a thing? :p |
| 15:40.29 | znf | There is for RHEL, apparently, but not for CentOS, so you can't just move to 7 like that. |
| 15:40.33 | znf | Anyway. |
| 15:40.59 | znf | In the older kernel builds, they have support for flashcache, a SSD caching layer developed by facebook. It's an old crap, but it works. |
| 15:41.59 | znf | ...but in the latest build, they haven't built the kernel module, for some reasons, for it |
| 15:42.12 | znf | So, I tried building it manually, first from the SRPM |
| 15:42.28 | znf | That didn't work out, complaining about missing GCC flags that are only in 4.9+. |
| 15:42.43 | znf | So I tried upgrading GCC to 4.9, which I was successful |
| 15:42.49 | znf | Shit still wouldn't compile |
| 15:42.53 | Gnarfoz | all these "they"s are "someone who isn't Red Hat", so far |
| 15:43.56 | znf | I tried using the previous kernel build module, which you can figure out that didn't work out at all, as they have different symbol shit whatever |
| 15:44.09 | znf | ...not even hexediting, that would take too long :D |
| 15:44.32 | znf | So that was like 2-3 hours wasted, so far. |
| 15:44.47 | znf | Having kernel 3.10, I tought I could move to bcache, as that is supported |
| 15:44.51 | znf | Which in theory it is. |
| 15:45.18 | Gnarfoz | waiting until they provide a fixed RPM for their custom kernel was... not an option? |
| 15:46.11 | znf | ...but bcache obviously requires a different partition type, for some reasons... |
| 15:46.21 | znf | so it's not transparent, add cache block, point it, done |
| 15:46.31 | znf | nope, you need to change the superblock of the backed device |
| 15:46.39 | znf | so I did that, which somehow worked |
| 15:46.45 | znf | I compiled the toolchain and everything |
| 15:46.46 | Gnarfoz | it's a cache... throw it away? |
| 15:47.03 | Gnarfoz | are you trying to carry over your flashcache cache content into bcache? I'm confused |
| 15:47.07 | znf | no |
| 15:47.37 | znf | I just needed SSD caching, because these are shared hosting servers, and they are kicked in the balls I/O wise by all the fucking million Wordpress installs and clueless users |
| 15:47.48 | znf | So, anyway, bcache |
| 15:47.49 | Gnarfoz | if modifying the partition type is a requirement, that doesn't sound like a big hurdle |
| 15:48.25 | znf | not just type, but moving the actual data 1MB above and changing some stuff, anyway, "blocks" does it |
| 15:48.43 | znf | but that obviously makes the partition unmountable by conventional means, unless you have bcache support enabled in the kernel |
| 15:48.46 | znf | ...which in theory I had |
| 15:48.57 | znf | ...except, `dracut` makes it painful |
| 15:49.07 | znf | because the initramfs needs to support that in the first plac |
| 15:49.08 | znf | because the initramfs needs to support that in the first place |
| 15:49.16 | znf | ...which I wasn't able to figure out all night |
| 15:49.21 | Gnarfoz | that's not really dracut's fault, it's how all initramfs works |
| 15:49.42 | znf | ...only newer dracut versions support bcache |
| 15:49.55 | znf | I tried setting it up manually, no dice |
| 15:50.08 | znf | even if I force inject the files, they're still not doing their magic |
| 15:50.17 | znf | even tough they should be straight forward judging by the documentation |
| 15:50.33 | znf | but there's not much documentation |
| 15:50.58 | znf | so, no dice on bcache |
| 15:51.08 | znf | so 2 more hours wasted, again |
| 15:51.25 | znf | because it was already almost 6am, decided to abandon, boot without cache |
| 15:51.36 | Gnarfoz | https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/dracut/dracut.html |
| 15:51.40 | znf | obviously I had to fix the partition |
| 15:52.04 | Gnarfoz | (why do you need support for bcache in the initramfs anyway, that seems like something that's not necessary for the boot process) |
| 15:52.15 | znf | ofc I do |
| 15:52.23 | znf | can't mount the root partition without it |
| 15:52.34 | Gnarfoz | the root partition is... what wait |
| 15:52.39 | Gnarfoz | you're not caching the root partition, are you |
| 15:52.40 | znf | the root partition is what I was trying to back |
| 15:52.42 | znf | ofc I am |
| 15:52.45 | Gnarfoz | why the fuck |
| 15:53.00 | Gnarfoz | aren't your guest files on a different file system?! |
| 15:53.01 | znf | because whoever installed the server 3-4 years ago made one big root partition for everything |
| 15:53.08 | znf | nope, because that would be too logical |
| 15:53.08 | Gnarfoz | good job whoever! |
| 15:53.25 | znf | one big 1++ TB partition |
| 15:53.26 | Gnarfoz | your time would have been better spent fixing that |
| 15:53.39 | znf | can you imagine how fun it was the first time I rebooted these, and the /boot was also on this partition? |
| 15:53.51 | Gnarfoz | shring partition, create new partition, mount at /srv or /var or wherever, back that, lose the boot dependency in the process |
| 15:53.57 | Gnarfoz | *shrink |
| 15:54.05 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, nice |
| 15:54.14 | znf | ...and because it was 1TB+, grub wasn't able to boot the new kernel? |
| 15:54.29 | znf | because it was outside of that mystical range that grub < 2 could boot? :D |
| 15:54.33 | Gnarfoz | that should only happen if the boot files are beyond that LBA |
| 15:54.41 | znf | ...which they were |
| 15:54.45 | Gnarfoz | how in the world |
| 15:54.46 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:55.00 | Gnarfoz | who doesn't like inheriting a shit system \o/ |
| 15:55.00 | znf | well, new kernel was added at the end of the partition |
| 15:55.09 | znf | or, rather, after the LBA limit |
| 15:55.23 | znf | yeah, I had fun creating a separate /boot for each |
| 15:55.24 | Gnarfoz | grub 0.x is telling enough anyway |
| 15:55.29 | znf | it was painful |
| 15:55.42 | znf | grub was just "lol, unreadable file, fuck off" |
| 15:55.45 | znf | I was like ??!! |
| 15:55.56 | znf | the fuck do you mean it's unreadable |
| 15:56.00 | znf | took me a while |
| 15:56.18 | znf | so yeah, in the end, I booted without cache |
| 15:56.22 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (~wig0r@212-60-175-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 15:56.24 | znf | and I installed EnhancedIO |
| 15:56.29 | Gnarfoz | I hope you never encounter the thing where grub (was it grub? Idk, something!) can't read your ext filesystem because it uses the wrong inode size! |
| 15:56.36 | znf | EnhanceIO |
| 15:56.46 | Gnarfoz | and you have to throw away the fs because...changing that isn't possible :D |
| 15:57.09 | znf | https://github.com/lanconnected/EnhanceIO |
| 15:57.15 | Gnarfoz | I've had that twice, and even now, I don't remember when or where, so I'm bound to encounter it a third time sometime in the future |
| 15:57.16 | quiescens | o.o |
| 15:57.28 | znf | which works fine so far... until I have to reboot for god knows what reason(s) |
| 15:57.38 | znf | because it doesn't support writeback root devices on boot |
| 15:57.42 | Gnarfoz | STEC? didn't they make DRAM SSDs? |
| 15:57.48 | znf | dunno |
| 15:57.54 | Gnarfoz | I think so |
| 15:57.56 | znf | shit works, it's faster than fastcache |
| 15:58.27 | Gnarfoz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STec,_Inc. |
| 15:58.27 | znf | I just have to remember to discard the cache before a reboot |
| 15:58.32 | znf | and then manually put it back on boot |
| 15:59.01 | Gnarfoz | alias reboot='echo flush cache first!' |
| 15:59.21 | Gnarfoz | (>>/etc/profile) |
| 15:59.30 | quiescens | a lot of this seems destined to cause problems when you eventually break it o.o |
| 15:59.35 | Megalon | don't be ridiculous *foz |
| 16:00.02 | Gnarfoz | quiescens: you had me at "CloudLinux uses RHEL6 but with a kernel that fits to RHEL7" ;) |
| 16:01.18 | znf | they need the 3.x features for their LVE stuff |
| 16:01.36 | znf | LVE is a cgroups like/based on tool that imposes limits on hosting accounts |
| 16:02.00 | znf | stuff like running process limit, memory used, cpu power used etc. |
| 16:02.04 | znf | it's really hard to do shared hosting without it |
| 16:03.05 | Gnarfoz | yet, surprisingly, people did that for two decades before "cgroups" even existed ^^ |
| 16:03.39 | znf | not that easy and reliable, afaik? |
| 16:03.44 | Gnarfoz | my point: WHY did they not just use RHEL7 as their base |
| 16:04.06 | znf | how would they? |
| 16:04.09 | znf | I don't understand your question |
| 16:04.18 | Gnarfoz | by doing the same thing they did now, except not stupid Oo |
| 16:04.28 | znf | I still don't understand your question |
| 16:04.29 | Gnarfoz | take RHEL7 transform into CloudLinux 7 |
| 16:04.36 | znf | they have that, too |
| 16:04.59 | quiescens | i would probably test the lvm controlled dm-cache if available for that sort of cache device stuff just because its at least mainline |
| 16:05.01 | znf | they didn't have that in 2013 |
| 16:05.10 | znf | quiescens, but that requires lvm :P |
| 16:05.28 | Gnarfoz | also, a sane partition layout, which all of this boiled down to |
| 16:08.11 | Gnarfoz | since you didn't make it, that already falls under "blame someone else", so, success :D |
| 16:08.38 | quiescens | i don't like the idea of using something that will be inconsistent if you ever shutdown without cleanly discarding your cache or whatever it was that you said |
| 16:08.41 | quiescens | o.o |
| 16:08.54 | Gnarfoz | if you want to blame a company instead, blame CloudLinux for dropping flashcache support, and shipping a dracut version (from RHEL6) that doesn't work with features the kernel they use (from RHEL7, apparently) supports ^^ |
| 16:10.25 | znf | quiescens, I don't like it either, but that's what gets you decent I/o |
| 16:11.19 | znf | write-trough and read-only keep it consistent, but it's not as fast |
| 16:13.04 | znf | Gnarfoz, meanwhile a friend just told me he randomly lost half of his Intel server blades in various chassis |
| 16:13.18 | Gnarfoz | maybe he should keep better track of them |
| 16:13.19 | znf | he was out in the park with the baby, suddenly notifications of servers being down |
| 16:13.35 | znf | (01/05/18 17:24:17) Blade 8 is not responding on the management bus |
| 16:13.51 | znf | all he sees in the logs are: |
| 16:13.51 | znf | System mgmt software, (IMM Promotion) successful software change, Blade Sys Mgmt Processor firmware boot block |
| 16:13.59 | znf | and now they fail to init |
| 16:14.04 | Gnarfoz | sounds like someone updated them ;) |
| 16:14.19 | znf | he didn't updated them at 17:24 that's for sure |
| 16:14.32 | Gnarfoz | he was in the park, but he's not alone is he |
| 16:14.45 | znf | he is actually |
| 16:14.47 | Gnarfoz | (maybe he is, that's why he gets/reacts to work stuff while in the park) |
| 16:15.10 | znf | yay Intel! |
| 16:15.24 | Gnarfoz | more like: yay blade center vendor |
| 16:15.32 | znf | afaik it's Intel :D |
| 16:15.34 | Gnarfoz | (which might be Intel, but you didn't say) |
| 16:15.45 | quiescens | maybe just blame znf anyway |
| 16:15.46 | quiescens | ^^ |
| 16:15.47 | znf | he told me once, but I can't remember |
| 16:15.57 | Gnarfoz | it's the malware in znf's antminers |
| 16:16.24 | znf | bah, don't remind me about those, my friend installed them, but he didn't offer me a way to access them |
| 16:16.27 | znf | no public IP, no nothing :-/ |
| 16:16.47 | znf | so I either need to go there tomorow, or have him go with a laptop |
| 16:17.16 | znf | Gnarfoz, also, fun times, I couldn't figure out why my apache was slow |
| 16:17.24 | znf | turns out, the ip.pag file from mod_security was 44GB |
| 16:17.33 | Gnarfoz | mod_slowity |
| 16:17.41 | Gnarfoz | doesn't look like Intel still sells blades (or servers, for that matter) |
| 16:18.10 | Gnarfoz | or their website sucks, that's the other possibility |
| 16:18.28 | znf | they don't anymore, afaik, not sure how old are his servers |
| 16:18.56 | znf | Xeon L5630 and stuff like that |
| 16:18.59 | znf | so old-ish |
| 16:19.00 | quiescens | /blame znf |
| 16:22.39 | znf | so apparently there's no fix for mod_security growing it's ip collection files |
| 16:22.49 | znf | you just need to clean it up manually once in a while, or set up a cron job |
| 16:22.51 | znf | "nice" |
| 16:26.05 | znf | also RIP cards https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/01/05/spending-bitcoin-with-a-debit-card-just-got-a-lot-harder/ |
| 16:35.27 | Funkeh` | that seemed inevitable, the next step will be trying to create some open standard for payment cards hopefully |
| 16:35.45 | *** join/#wowace stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 16:35.54 | stolenlegacy | there Funkeh` |
| 16:35.56 | stolenlegacy | better? :P |
| 16:36.05 | Funkeh` | welcome to 2018 |
| 16:37.01 | znf | I don't have a cloak |
| 16:37.07 | znf | why would I have one? :D |
| 16:37.24 | Funkeh` | do you auth via SASL? |
| 16:38.32 | znf | no |
| 16:39.12 | Funkeh` | then you are an awful human being |
| 16:39.27 | znf | I just pass u/p as a server password directly :D |
| 16:39.58 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 16:40.18 | znf | a better question is why I don't have SSL enabled on the bouncer |
| 16:40.30 | Funkeh` | see above |
| 16:43.51 | quiescens | o.o |
| 16:55.52 | *** join/#wowace Kesava (~kesava@unaffiliated/sliker) |
| 18:28.09 | *** join/#wowace Justwait (~Justwait@546B1128.cm-12-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 18:43.17 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (~wig0r@212-60-175-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 19:19.58 | znf | I'm still impressed of how clone-like is this lady https://i.imgur.com/e3SjVwR.jpg |
| 19:20.23 | Megalon | more like an enhanced version |
| 19:20.26 | Megalon | if you know what i mean |
| 19:20.44 | znf | *wink* *wink* |
| 19:21.00 | Megalon | I'm talking about here BOOBIES!!! |
| 19:21.06 | Megalon | s/here/her/ |
| 19:21.10 | Megalon | :< |
| 20:15.47 | harl | A new time-based raid event was created |
| 20:15.55 | Megalon | aww yea |
| 20:44.39 | *** join/#wowace stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 21:07.48 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (~wig0r@212-60-175-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 21:10.04 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (~wig0r@212-60-175-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 21:15.44 | znf | look at this Gnarfoz https://i.imgur.com/vqJCzqW.png |
| 21:17.20 | Stanzilla | whose is that |
| 21:20.38 | znf | Stanzilla, some of the guys I'm working with |
| 21:23.49 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (~wig0r@212-60-175-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 21:30.58 | Stanzilla | znf: how much for electricity per month and what were the initial hardware costs? |
| 21:32.13 | znf | Stanzilla, it's not mining |
| 21:32.21 | znf | Stanzilla, it's masternodes for different altcoins with Proof of Steak |
| 21:32.38 | znf | tl;dr: you run a VPS (or whatever) full time, with a wallet/balance attached to it of X coins |
| 21:32.44 | znf | (each coin has a different balance required) |
| 21:32.58 | znf | some are as cheap as $100 per tokens, some can reach $5000 per masternode |
| 21:33.58 | znf | in Proof of Steak - PoS - the blockchain rewards a masternode once in a while with X tokens, each different, ofc |
| 21:34.04 | znf | so you just run a vps and get "free" coins |
| 21:34.46 | znf | right now I run these nodes on a single VPS https://i.imgur.com/bMtfO4h.png |
| 21:40.31 | *** join/#wowace Motig (~Motig@unaffiliated/motig) |
| 22:31.21 | *** join/#wowace Gethe (~Gethe@cpe-70-112-184-154.austin.res.rr.com) |
