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| 00:31.24 | harl | A new time-based r... ugh, forget it... |
| 00:47.40 | quiescens | gives harl a cookie |
| 00:48.21 | harl | raids the cookie |
| 00:48.55 | znf | cookies the raid |
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| 12:30.03 | znf | https://youtu.be/2-Ur55iZluE |
| 12:32.00 | nevcairiel | who watches girl twitch streams just for the girls anyway? there are actual porn cam streams for that |
| 12:38.17 | wink | who watches twitch streams anyway? :P |
| 12:38.55 | wink | nevcairiel: saw my query in late December or did freenode eat it? |
| 12:38.58 | nevcairiel | true, the most i watch is the occasional youtube video which was maybe cut and edited from twitch |
| 12:39.13 | nevcairiel | i dont remmeber anything |
| 12:40.04 | znf | A lot of lonely people apparently |
| 12:40.35 | wink | You must log in with services to message this user |
| 12:40.42 | wink | wtf. I am logged in, stupid network. |
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| 12:43.35 | harl | nature's gifts are everywhere, nevcairiel. |
| 12:53.14 | Phixion | Gnarfoz: thoughts? https://i.redd.it/ppht3d6ez8801.jpg |
| 12:56.19 | nevcairiel | what do "looks" have to do with anything |
| 12:59.44 | nevcairiel | personally i really dont like how all the mass media is calling it a "bug" or a "leak", its a fundamental part of the design of any modern CPU - evidenced in that every CPU over multiple vendors and even distinct architectures is vulnerable to that kind of attack |
| 13:03.02 | Phixion | nevcairiel: nothing, thats the 'funny' part of that investigative journalism |
| 13:04.07 | znf | "investigative" |
| 13:05.44 | harl | honi soit qui mal y pense, nevcairiel. |
| 13:08.42 | nevcairiel | sorry, i dont speak gibberish |
| 13:11.45 | quiescens | o.o |
| 13:21.17 | harl | well.. it's french alright, but it's a fairly common expression, so even the english adopted it at times.. |
| 13:21.36 | harl | i like this translation offered on wp: "shame on him who suspects illicit motivation" |
| 13:24.35 | Gnarfoz | if you need a little bedtime horror story to read to your firstborn that's just starting to use JavaScript https://hackernoon.com/im-harvesting-credit-card-numbers-and-passwords-from-your-site-here-s-how-9a8cb347c5b5:D |
| 13:24.52 | Gnarfoz | Phixion: yeah, saw that, heh |
| 13:25.06 | quiescens | moo |
| 13:25.47 | Gnarfoz | harl: it's the motto of the English royal order, is it not |
| 13:26.50 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the trouble is calling it "it" - it's 3 issues, and one of them is not really related to the other two, and additionally, some CPUs are indeed not affected by all 3. so, confusion! :D |
| 13:28.38 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel Gnarfoz https://twitter.com/s1guza/status/949415028117196800 |
| 13:29.09 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: Hit... AMD did nothing wrong |
| 13:29.15 | nevcairiel | Of course everything is working as designed, because its a design flaw |
| 13:29.24 | nevcairiel | =p |
| 13:29.34 | Gnarfoz | then why doesn't it affect AMD? ;) |
| 13:29.41 | nevcairiel | it does? |
| 13:29.43 | Gnarfoz | yes? |
| 13:29.44 | quiescens | a design flaw still counts as a bug o.o |
| 13:29.45 | Stanzilla | it does |
| 13:29.55 | nevcairiel | quiescens: but it still functions as designed |
| 13:29.55 | wink | https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/why-raspberry-pi-isnt-vulnerable-to-spectre-or-meltdown/ was an interesting read |
| 13:30.07 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: that's the joke, intel got shit on for their marketing speech |
| 13:30.38 | harl | gnarfoz, at least it's been used alongside their motto in the past (which is "dieu et mon droit") |
| 13:31.02 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: AMD is not affected by "Variant 3" / Meltdown, as far as I have read |
| 13:31.19 | nevcairiel | but that is also the one to mitigate the easiest |
| 13:31.57 | Stanzilla | I just want the drugs harl is on right now |
| 13:31.59 | nevcairiel | spectre is far more dangerous in the long run, because its not even fully researched yet |
| 13:32.04 | Gnarfoz | the points: that Intel is affected by it is clearly a bug, not a design flaw; talking about "it" encompassing all 3 is confusing |
| 13:32.30 | harl | stan, drugs? oO |
| 13:33.15 | Gnarfoz | harl: one is the motto of the monarch, the other the motto of the order of the garter (in which basically only royals are supposed to be) |
| 13:33.33 | harl | yea |
| 13:34.01 | Gnarfoz | what I like most: "responsible disclosure" failed yet again for most people |
| 13:34.30 | Gnarfoz | vmware had a fix rolled out in September 2017, Microsoft is "emergency patching", wut |
| 13:34.50 | harl | responsible = just blurt it out already |
| 13:35.29 | quiescens | i vote we just blame znf |
| 13:35.51 | harl | who else is there anyway |
| 13:35.59 | Gnarfoz | half a year of lead time, top 2 operating systems in the world patched? no :| |
| 13:36.03 | nevcairiel | thats because the roll out was scheduled for the future still, but the linux people screwed the pooch |
| 13:36.32 | Stanzilla | harl: I am just uneducated and tried to make a joke :D |
| 13:37.50 | quiescens | gives Stanzilla a cookie |
| 13:38.30 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: MS even called back their engineers from vacation so no idea why that had to happen |
| 13:38.43 | Gnarfoz | summer vacation, you mean, I hope? :p |
| 13:39.09 | harl | hugs stan |
| 13:39.17 | nevcairiel | Like I said, the disclosure was still planned for later this month, not the day it happened |
| 13:39.25 | nevcairiel | but linux screwed it up |
| 13:39.48 | nevcairiel | and the MS fix was already in insider builds, they just had to hurry it through to live |
| 13:39.54 | Gnarfoz | I fail to see how that is an excuse for anyone or anyhthing |
| 13:40.00 | Gnarfoz | except embargos |
| 13:40.23 | Gnarfoz | they need to realize that sitting on stuff is rarely going to end well |
| 13:40.25 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: no, xmas |
| 13:40.32 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: kek, then |
| 13:41.07 | nevcairiel | its a theoretical attack found by google researchers, before disclosure there really is no huge need to hurry patches and keep people from their families =p |
| 13:41.25 | harl | minbari embargoes |
| 13:41.31 | Stanzilla | you are assuming that other people have not found and abused it before |
| 13:41.45 | Gnarfoz | (particularly Microsoft, their OS is closed source, what do they have to lose by patching in a timely manner) |
| 13:42.11 | harl | (the minbari are one of the races from the babylon 5 series) |
| 13:42.25 | Gnarfoz | CPU vendors were notified in June 2017, plenty of time to not ruin your xmas vacations |
| 13:42.49 | nevcairiel | at least Microsoft had a patch, it was just not rolled out yet, presumably for more testing |
| 13:44.01 | harl | let's just replace all CPUs. everywhere. (profit ensues.) |
| 13:44.55 | Gnarfoz | no, let's sell our stock options before the news breaks instead |
| 13:45.34 | quiescens | hah, that bit is probably the silliest part of it |
| 13:49.12 | Funkeh` | Gnarfoz: https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution |
| 13:49.44 | harl | expand or die. (rule of acquisition #45) |
| 13:50.21 | nevcairiel | the annoying part is to wait for firmware updates for your motherboard |
| 13:55.51 | quiescens | because that's totally going to actually happen in a timely manner if at all |
| 13:55.52 | quiescens | nodnod |
| 13:56.43 | harl | ^^ |
| 13:56.56 | harl | hugs quiescens |
| 13:57.40 | harl | also, on a side note, imho, "target nearest enemy" should actually target the nearest enemy. |
| 13:58.11 | znf | don't get me started |
| 13:59.15 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: yeah, send that to nevcairiel :P |
| 13:59.17 | harl | ignites znf |
| 13:59.33 | Gnarfoz | I'm confused if there's actually an UEFI update for my work laptop |
| 13:59.43 | Funkeh` | i didn't read the entire scrollback just looked like you wanted info on it |
| 13:59.51 | Phixion | theres follow up actually https://imgur.com/a/xets8/ |
| 13:59.52 | Funkeh` | but only 1 variant is a problem for amd |
| 13:59.55 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's fine, I was about to link it to him myself ^^ |
| 14:00.14 | Funkeh` | however, if you have a recent cpu, there is an update for the PSP that fixes an exploit |
| 14:00.20 | Funkeh` | AMD's version of Intel ME |
| 14:00.49 | Gnarfoz | Dell says there is an update for the E5570, but the version is 1.0.9, which doesn't really jive with the 1.14.4 I have presently... :D |
| 14:01.10 | harl | some people need updates alright.. |
| 14:02.59 | Funkeh` | are you talking about a bios update? |
| 14:03.36 | Gnarfoz | yes, UEFI update |
| 14:04.06 | Funkeh` | ok, got confused there thought you were talking about the PSP version, but that's an intel laptop |
| 14:04.46 | Gnarfoz | oh, I know what's wrong |
| 14:04.56 | Gnarfoz | there's an Inspiron 5570, and a Latitude E5570 |
| 14:05.01 | Gnarfoz | I have the latter, but I was looking at the former |
| 14:05.09 | Gnarfoz | thanks for confusing model numbers, Dell |
| 14:05.16 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 14:05.22 | Gnarfoz | 1.18.6 makes a lot more sense as an update |
| 14:06.10 | harl | star trek 13 on amazon prime |
| 14:06.34 | harl | and james bond 24 |
| 14:08.11 | Gnarfoz | speaking of Amazon, how is it that they consistently get some of the best quality versions of videos |
| 14:08.27 | Gnarfoz | even their Discovery looks (subjectively) better than Netflix's own |
| 14:13.51 | Gnarfoz | also, using apt pinning can lead to head-scratching |
| 14:17.17 | quiescens | dies. |
| 14:17.27 | quiescens | .. |
| 14:17.33 | Megalon | the infamous doubledeath |
| 14:17.48 | quiescens | needs better internets |
| 14:17.50 | quiescens | ): |
| 14:17.53 | Megalon | apt pins *foz TO THE GROUND |
| 14:18.07 | Megalon | so you can quadruple die? |
| 14:31.34 | harl | gnarfoz: i was actually dismayed i had to cancel my netflix sub about a year ago, as i found the quality on netflix to be way better than amazon'd (mainly because netflix would buffer a large portion of a video while amazon only buffers like 60 seconds) |
| 14:32.16 | harl | i agree that amazon's video quality has improved since.. (audio is still weird sometimes, too many compression artefacts) |
| 14:32.47 | harl | *amazon's |
| 14:34.35 | wink | just watch it on a potato, like I do |
| 14:34.51 | wink | and quality doesn't matter anymore. just needs to not saturate wifi |
| 14:34.52 | harl | not dismayed, sad, probably |
| 14:38.04 | harl | the canadian can be puzzling |
| 14:39.39 | harl | (as in the canadian people, as in canadians) |
| 14:40.20 | harl | stares into the abyss |
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| 15:00.33 | Gnarfoz | harl: that seems to be more of an issue with streaming implementation, not with access to source footage and/or its further processing (encoding) |
| 15:00.41 | Gnarfoz | brb |
| 15:01.02 | harl | maybe |
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| 15:15.34 | znf | >The fight, using a cheesy strategy which involved standing out of range of Eradication, Fel Bombardment and Carnage, took 8 hours and 11 minutes. |
| 15:15.37 | znf | what the fuck |
| 15:15.43 | znf | ...8 hours?! |
| 15:16.03 | nevcairiel | if you exploit, thats what you do =p |
| 15:16.47 | Megalon | creative use of game mechanics |
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| 15:42.39 | Stanzilla | https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=586144 |
| 15:42.46 | Stanzilla | Computer systems with microprocessors utilizing speculative execution and branch prediction may allow unauthorized disclosure of information to an attacker with local user access via a side-channel analysis.For more information on this issue, see the NVIDIA GPU security updates for speculative side channel Security Bulletin posted on the NVIDIA Product Security page |
| 15:43.41 | Funkeh` | local only |
| 15:43.44 | Funkeh` | snooze |
| 16:44.11 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: any idea why there are two win10 desktop updates? https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4056890 I can't figure out how they're different (~600MB different) |
| 16:45.00 | nevcairiel | you and your old windows |
| 16:45.18 | nevcairiel | also its x86 and x64 |
| 16:45.25 | nevcairiel | x64 being bigger |
| 16:46.46 | Gnarfoz | I clicked both, both say AMD64, x86 |
| 16:47.14 | nevcairiel | i just read the title |
| 16:47.20 | nevcairiel | one says for x86-based systems |
| 16:47.24 | nevcairiel | one for x64-based systems |
| 16:47.45 | Gnarfoz | I must need new glasses, wtf |
| 16:47.50 | Funkeh` | 441mb for the nvidia update |
| 16:48.11 | Funkeh` | this thing is really inflating |
| 16:48.11 | nevcairiel | thats not very special, nvidia drivers are all that size these days |
| 16:48.38 | Gnarfoz | I bet if you plotted nvidia driver package sizes, it'd be a monotonously increasing curve |
| 16:48.53 | Funkeh` | clearly needs more dx12/vulkan |
| 16:49.24 | Funkeh` | also it would be great if they would stop bundling their 3D shit |
| 16:50.23 | znf | when are they usually announcing new gen? |
| 16:50.33 | Funkeh` | CES is stil ongoing |
| 16:50.38 | nevcairiel | most of the size is the driver itself anyway, followed by geforce experience, all the other stuff people always complain about is at most 10% of the entire package |
| 16:50.47 | znf | GTX 11xx or whatever they're gonna call it this time |
| 16:51.07 | nevcairiel | either 11 or 20, who knows |
| 16:51.16 | nevcairiel | but they might also not even announce yet |
| 16:51.32 | nevcairiel | they didnt do the usual teasing they did for pascal |
| 16:52.07 | Funkeh` | Ryzen cpu got big cuts, so probably hear something about their next gen |
| 16:52.15 | Gnarfoz | already happened |
| 16:52.16 | Funkeh` | also the new nuc with amd graphics was demoed |
| 16:52.34 | znf | *shrug* if you could at least buy them (the gpus) |
| 16:52.35 | Gnarfoz | (14->12 process die shrink, that's pretty much) |
| 16:52.49 | Gnarfoz | do we even know what the next consumer architecture is going to be |
| 16:53.15 | nevcairiel | amd stuff was revealed and/or leaked already, no consumer vega upgrade this year apparently, so graphics is still dead, and zen+ with a die shrink and new motherboards, but no technical details |
| 16:53.25 | Funkeh` | according to their roadmap there isn't one this year, a die shrink and a focus on a focus on laptop cpus |
| 16:53.31 | znf | well, they have Vega64! |
| 16:53.40 | znf | which you can't buy :D |
| 16:53.43 | Gnarfoz | good for them (and nobody else) |
| 16:53.52 | nevcairiel | not that anyone would want to buy Vega64 |
| 16:54.08 | znf | *raises hand* |
| 16:54.23 | Gnarfoz | (that's what I meant) |
| 16:54.24 | znf | I could use about 1600 of them |
| 16:54.27 | Funkeh` | vega64 looked interesting when I saw the destiny 2 benchmarks |
| 16:54.38 | Funkeh` | then nvidia magically increased their performance in an update |
| 16:54.50 | znf | vega64 has that awesomecake hashing power |
| 16:55.06 | nevcairiel | yeah launch day benchmarks are always a bit iffy like that, gotta wait a week or two for driver updates |
| 16:55.59 | znf | meanwhile, my french client just put a buying order for 200 mining rigs |
| 16:56.07 | znf | that is 1600 GPUs, yes :-/ |
| 16:56.25 | nevcairiel | I hope your entire setup there blows up one day when all the coins crash |
| 16:57.04 | znf | While I don't really like the whole crap either, it's hard to say that it will ever completely crash |
| 16:57.13 | znf | These craps are here to stay |
| 16:58.18 | nevcairiel | after the next big crash of a popular coin, all the others will also take a hit as the hype dies down |
| 16:58.48 | znf | not likely to happen |
| 16:59.01 | nevcairiel | of course it'll happen |
| 16:59.16 | nevcairiel | bitcoin itself is going to crash sooner or later |
| 16:59.46 | znf | nah, all the other shitcoins are keeping the demand up |
| 17:00.12 | znf | people are flocking to crypto-exchanges so hard that they can't keep up the demand |
| 17:00.28 | znf | top exchanges have stopped accepting new user registrations because their servers are dying |
| 17:00.48 | znf | the demand is still there, and it will still be for a long time, everyone wants to get rich on the next coin |
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| 17:02.14 | Funkeh` | so fed up of every nvidia update re-enabling the telemetry service and scheduled tasks |
| 18:16.55 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: you can unpack nvidia drivers and delete most of the stuff you dont use before install |
| 18:17.28 | Stanzilla | my usual install is just this https://i.imgur.com/v38bXSL.png |
| 18:17.38 | Funkeh` | I'm not sure what you're saying, the download itself is an unpacker that unpacks to root |
| 18:17.55 | Stanzilla | which you can right click and unzip to where you want before you run setup.exe |
| 18:18.12 | Funkeh` | that's not a problem, I always delete the nvidia folder |
| 18:28.10 | znf | I keep seeing this "fight" over voice assistants |
| 18:28.17 | znf | am I the only one finding them completely shit and useless? |
| 18:36.34 | Funkeh` | no, they are completely shit and useless |
| 18:36.52 | Funkeh` | it's the kind of thing you use for 2 weeks because it's exciting and then that's it |
| 18:37.18 | Funkeh` | it's a solution for a problem that doesn't exist, and creates more problems |
| 18:38.37 | znf | I tought it could be useful in the car |
| 18:38.40 | znf | but it's not, really |
| 18:40.51 | znf | and they can't do basic tasks like switching between apps |
| 18:44.14 | znf | or natural language processing |
| 18:44.19 | znf | "hey google, take me home using waze" |
| 18:44.21 | znf | nope |
| 19:07.26 | Gnarfoz | Funkeh`: you seem to be missing what Stanzilla is saying... if you extract it yourself, you can throw out the things you don't want before installing; although I doubt there's a separate directory for "create tasks" ^^ |
| 19:08.00 | Stanzilla | znf: I use it all the time |
| 19:08.31 | Stanzilla | turn on/off lights, the tv, my computer displays, music, calls, ask questions |
| 19:10.21 | Stanzilla | and yeah what Gnarfoz said |
| 19:10.34 | Stanzilla | the tasks are the telemitery stuff among others |
| 19:10.54 | Stanzilla | https://i.imgur.com/v38bXSL.png vs https://i.imgur.com/UU4FjeJ.png |
| 19:14.47 | znf | Stanzilla, every time I tried something, it was much faster to just do it via my phone |
| 19:19.25 | Funkeh` | Gnarfoz: how do you "throw it out" ? |
| 19:22.45 | Gnarfoz | delete it, like Stanzilla said |
| 19:25.11 | nevcairiel | people advocating things like that must be every user supporters worst nightmare |
| 19:25.39 | Stanzilla | no, it is well modularized |
| 19:25.55 | nevcairiel | thats not the point |
| 19:26.27 | Stanzilla | it is designed to work without other parts present |
| 19:26.41 | nevcairiel | random users blindly follow such advice without thinking much, so they might delete 3dvision and then wonder why their 3d videos dont work anymore |
| 19:26.45 | nevcairiel | seen it all |
| 19:27.10 | Gnarfoz | I doubt that's what's going to happen |
| 19:27.13 | Gnarfoz | unless it's install #1 |
| 19:27.31 | nevcairiel | having a severly out of date 3d driver might be even worse =p |
| 19:27.51 | Funkeh` | having the 3d driver when you're not using anything related to 3d might be even worse |
| 19:28.19 | nevcairiel | thats pure speculation however without any empirecal evidence |
| 19:28.46 | Funkeh` | less is better |
| 19:30.21 | nevcairiel | from my personal experience, I always install everything and i usually never see those weird obscure bugs that everyone else seems to be having, so i'll stick to what i know :D |
| 19:31.59 | Funkeh` | obscure bugs? |
| 19:32.10 | Funkeh` | who here was complaining about obscure bugs? |
| 19:32.34 | Funkeh` | or are you counting exploits as obscure bugs, because then you're maximing your potential to encounter them :D |
| 19:36.17 | nevcairiel | not tonight, but it happens often enough, and otherwise the internet is full of people having all sorts of crazy problems, especially those forums where also the guides to delete part of the driver can be found =p |
| 19:37.09 | znf | I always delete my driver |
| 19:37.14 | znf | gets more +1000 more fps |
| 19:38.56 | Funkeh` | on an AMD gpu? sounds correct |
| 19:42.31 | znf | voodoo 3d |
| 19:42.48 | Stanzilla | https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/filecab/2018/01/08/work-folders-on-demand-file-access-feature-for-windows-10/ |
| 19:43.03 | Funkeh` | drivers were why i dropped my previous amd gpu |
| 19:43.22 | Funkeh` | maybe one day when vulkan and dx12 are more prevalent it will be an option again |
| 19:43.48 | nevcairiel | because game devs are so f'ing good at writing this stuff :D |
| 19:44.47 | Funkeh` | as it becomes more focused on a select few engines like unity, unreal and frostbyte, yeah |
| 19:44.57 | znf | Stanzilla, why are they hyping that feature so much? |
| 19:45.16 | Stanzilla | because it was basically free when they finished implementing it in onedrive |
| 19:45.44 | znf | that's not what I asked :P |
| 19:45.47 | znf | why does it matter so much? |
| 19:45.52 | Stanzilla | I think it is pretty useful |
| 19:45.56 | znf | it's basically "streaming" the files, right? |
| 19:46.15 | znf | I mean, it's just some disk space |
| 19:46.21 | Stanzilla | not really, it is downloading them on demand |
| 19:46.36 | znf | yes... |
| 19:46.48 | Stanzilla | in one piece, not streaming |
| 19:47.33 | znf | it's just some disk space... |
| 22:55.31 | znf | HI STANZILLA |
