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| 10:05.06 | Fisker | I fixed the mining gpu crisis Stanzilla |
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| 13:01.28 | Funkeh` | there's a mining gpu crisis? |
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| 15:57.30 | znf | https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-tells-retailers-to-sell-to-gamers-not-cryptominers |
| 15:59.13 | znf | It's easy to fix: |
| 15:59.28 | znf | 1) pump out more nVidia P10x-100 (special mining cards) |
| 15:59.40 | Fisker | It's easier to fix: |
| 15:59.44 | Fisker | 1) We kill the miners |
| 15:59.44 | znf | 2) Allow miners to undervolt/overclock the shit out of it |
| 16:00.08 | znf | 3) Do some wizardry to increase the hash-rate of a P104-100 over a 1080 by default |
| 16:00.17 | znf | Miners will flock to them |
| 16:01.03 | znf | But no, nvidia is like https://i.imgur.com/afy2n0C.gifv "oh, please stop selling to miners" |
| 16:03.08 | harl | haven't you heard it yet.. cryptos are the new devil.. |
| 16:03.17 | znf | totes mctotes |
| 16:11.44 | znf | >xau 4800 ron to eur |
| 16:11.45 | Catal1na | 4800.00 RON == 1029.97 EUR |
| 16:11.51 | znf | 1030⬠for a GTX 1080 Ti |
| 16:11.52 | znf | :-/ |
| 16:12.05 | znf | they don't even have the 1070 in stock lol |
| 16:21.33 | quiescens | mostly pointless anyway |
| 16:22.05 | quiescens | i'm not aware of any retailer that actually asks what you plan to do with the stuff you buy from them before selling it to you |
| 16:22.14 | quiescens | at least, not with consumer pc hardware |
| 16:22.27 | znf | quiescens, it's mostly them saying "you should only sell a maximum of 2 per person" to retails |
| 16:23.17 | znf | and clients are like https://i.imgur.com/T6mtn4e.png |
| 16:23.34 | quiescens | don't really see that actually enforced much except on things that are under the effect of specific deals/discounts/events or some such |
| 16:25.22 | silentium | which retailer would say no to a customer who wants to spend money at their shop anyway? |
| 16:26.07 | silentium | any client you chase away just goes to your competition |
| 16:26.22 | znf | silentium, pretty much |
| 16:27.28 | quiescens | even if they wanted to, noone actually asks so they wouldn't know in the first place |
| 16:27.32 | quiescens | o.o |
| 16:39.46 | nevcairiel | there is plenty shops that only sell limited quantities for a lot of products per customer |
| 16:47.04 | quiescens | on a random other thingy, there was a bunch of articles last year about how only 15% of customers or something are signed up for 100mbps internet plans and they're like "see, australia doesn't want faster internets" |
| 16:47.51 | quiescens | and then there's an article this year about how less than 25% of the FTTN connections can reach 100mbps o.o |
| 16:53.09 | Megalon | always nice when companies claim that people don't want what they don't really offer in the first place |
| 17:05.56 | quiescens | ^^ |
| 17:12.19 | harl | touches quiescens |
| 17:23.23 | znf | oh, first time I get this https://i.imgur.com/O3VVqqB.png |
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| 20:54.05 | znf | my Windows somehow broke |
| 20:54.07 | znf | I can't alt+tab |
| 20:54.10 | znf | I can't escape |
| 20:54.14 | znf | basically no "special" keys |
| 20:55.36 | znf | oh, ok, that was weird - I had a teamviewer window opened, and there was someone else on it, and he pressed Win to open the start menu |
| 20:55.40 | znf | which broke my keys (?!) |
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| 21:28.53 | Funkeh` | znf: it's fucking dumb that the only companies really making decent miner cards are both somewhat shady chinese companies |
| 21:29.38 | Funkeh` | nvidia/amd could easily have a dedicated card line for it |
| 21:30.01 | nevcairiel | nvidia does |
| 21:30.30 | nevcairiel | The P104 and P106 chips, various of the big gpu manufacturers have models of it |
| 21:31.12 | nevcairiel | but if you already bought all of that stock, you still go and buy the gaming cards, because you're greedy |
| 21:31.20 | Funkeh` | i'm not sure how that even comes close to comparison of the asic gpus bitmain has |
| 21:31.34 | nevcairiel | it really depends what you want to mine |
| 21:31.45 | nevcairiel | no sane person mines Bitcoin with GPUs anymore |
| 21:31.52 | nevcairiel | or any coin with a similar algorithm |
| 21:32.21 | nevcairiel | but for some other coins, GPUs are one of the best options because either ASICs havent been developed yet, or the algorithm is designed in such a way that it would be hard to beat a GPU anyway |
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| 21:36.22 | znf | A lot of the new algos are ASIC-Resistant |
| 21:36.47 | znf | they are very memory intensive (for example, you can't mine Ethereum right now with 2GB GPUs) |
| 21:37.09 | znf | some vendors tried to make ASICs for those, too, but they're not successful |
| 21:37.59 | znf | also the miners that Bitmain has are just using normal GPU chipsets |
| 21:38.11 | nevcairiel | not according to their website |
| 21:38.27 | Funkeh` | they use 3 of their custom build boards put together |
| 21:38.33 | Funkeh` | so basically 3 gpus in a box |
| 21:38.55 | znf | which one are you talking about? |
| 21:39.00 | znf | I only know of the G1 and G2 |
| 21:39.04 | Funkeh` | the highest one |
| 21:39.10 | Funkeh` | 14TH |
| 21:39.22 | znf | which model? |
| 21:39.24 | nevcairiel | The S9 for example, their Bitcoin miner, has 189 custom ASIC chips |
| 21:39.32 | znf | the S9? |
| 21:39.36 | znf | yes, not "GPU" |
| 21:39.46 | znf | just ASICs |
| 21:40.21 | znf | they teased 2 "boxes" with GTX 1070/1080 a while ago, not sure if those ever made it into production |
| 21:40.23 | nevcairiel | The L3+ for Litecoin/Scrypt has 288 ASICs of another sort |
| 21:40.50 | nevcairiel | thats the fate of the ASIC devices, you need to make one for every specific algorithm |
| 21:41.08 | Funkeh` | eh, i just call a gpu the board with the chips on it |
| 21:41.09 | znf | the russians have made one that is multi-aglo |
| 21:41.12 | Funkeh` | the S9 has 3 |
| 21:41.29 | nevcairiel | why, it has nothing to do with graphics :D |
| 21:42.08 | Funkeh` | it beats calling it "3 mainboards with advanced mathematical chips on them"? |
| 21:42.24 | znf | 3 asic boards? :P |
| 21:42.48 | znf | anyway, the miner cards... who makes them? MSI and? |
| 21:42.51 | znf | PNY I think? |
| 21:43.00 | nevcairiel | gigabyte has some as well |
| 21:43.04 | znf | apparently asus has it, too |
| 21:43.31 | nevcairiel | anyone that doesnt is probably missing out a big pay day |
| 21:44.41 | znf | yup |
| 21:44.53 | znf | my client ordered 200 rigs with 8 GPUs each |
| 21:44.59 | znf | so that's 1600 GPUs |
| 21:45.21 | znf | >math calc 1600 * 462 |
| 21:45.21 | Catal1na | 739200 |
| 21:45.23 | znf | that's a lot of $$ |
| 21:45.39 | nevcairiel | I still hope those people fall flat on their face |
| 21:46.18 | znf | *shrug* |
| 21:46.23 | znf | turn it into a render farm instantly :P |
| 21:46.49 | znf | uh, let's see |
| 21:47.25 | znf | https://goo.gl/iM5WdP |
| 21:47.34 | znf | $7000/day give or take |
| 21:48.31 | znf | >math calc 7000 * 365 |
| 21:48.31 | Catal1na | 2555000 |
| 21:48.51 | znf | so, basically... with that hashing power, you can earn 2.5mil/year, at current price |
| 21:49.28 | nevcairiel | or in a few months you can be left with thousands of GPUs and a market flooded with second-hand hardware :D |
| 21:49.51 | Funkeh` | ionvesting is risky, news at 11 |
| 21:49.54 | znf | doubt it |
| 22:21.43 | Gnarfoz | Kemayo: cool beans |
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