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| 07:19.08 | quiescens | moo~ |
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| 08:11.04 | Gnarfoz | znf: nobody was questioning that that works easily ^^ |
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| 08:30.43 | Gnarfoz | quiescens: you survived! magnificent. |
| 08:31.17 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: no reply :( https://twitter.com/Gnarfoz/status/969220696265101312 |
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| 08:43.30 | Phixion | > dd24 |
| 08:44.41 | Phixion | did the copy suse's logo? |
| 08:44.43 | Phixion | they |
| 08:46.52 | Gnarfoz | guess a chameleon to suggest adaptability is not a terribly uncommon choice, but yeah, pretty close :D |
| 08:47.49 | Gnarfoz | (the colors are based on their parent company's, btw https://www.key-systems.net/) |
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| 08:49.34 | Phixion | I see |
| 08:57.55 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: just read MS plans to distribute spectre microcode updates soon, so yay i guess |
| 08:58.15 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: also i know a developer that works for key systems, maybe i should ask |
| 08:59.32 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: cool x2 |
| 08:59.47 | Gnarfoz | got a link to the MS microcode thing? |
| 09:02.10 | nevcairiel | its not in WU yet, but the first version for Skylake is already in the windows update catalog https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4090007/intel-microcode-updates |
| 09:03.27 | nevcairiel | article: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/03/microsoft-will-soon-start-shipping-the-intel-spectre-microcode-fixes/ |
| 09:05.44 | Gnarfoz | thanks |
| 09:09.29 | mitch0 | imma falling asleep on an online meeting :( |
| 09:09.44 | nevcairiel | capture a 10s loop of you looking awake |
| 09:09.52 | nevcairiel | then mute and snore |
| 09:09.53 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:09.59 | mitch0 | meh, I just disabled the camera. |
| 09:10.05 | mitch0 | "wifi issues" |
| 09:10.06 | mitch0 | :) |
| 09:10.30 | nevcairiel | that works too |
| 09:10.40 | quiescens | o.o |
| 09:13.05 | quiescens | gives mitch0 a cookie |
| 09:14.31 | mitch0 | "no development should take more than 5 days" <- yeah, right... meh |
| 09:14.47 | mitch0 | maybe I'm better off sleeping after all |
| 09:18.37 | quiescens | /pat mitch0 |
| 09:31.13 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: guess this way my home desktop will get the protection earlier than waiting for asrock :) |
| 09:31.14 | Megalon | tell tham that even tonsilitis can take more than 5 days to develop |
| 09:31.24 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: how is babby formed? |
| 09:35.05 | Phixion | stabs Megalon |
| 09:35.26 | Megalon | rude |
| 09:35.59 | Megalon | at least I won't have to suffer through ,y yearly angina pectoris now |
| 09:36.04 | Megalon | Thxion |
| 09:36.10 | Phixion | \o/ |
| 09:40.18 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 09:59.57 | ls- | \o/ |
| 10:00.13 | Megalon | <o> |
| 10:08.36 | mitch0 | <o/ |
| 10:49.31 | Phixion | \o> |
| 10:49.46 | Phixion | not hey Fisker |
| 10:59.46 | Megalon | glad you still got your hitlergruà down, Phixion |
| 11:37.01 | Phixion | aw |
| 11:54.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: interesting: https://github.com/Neilpang/acme.sh/wiki/DNS-alias-mode |
| 11:55.26 | Gnarfoz | not sure if the script I use (dehydrated) supports that, but that would mean I could set up my own dns server just for this, and hmm. would I need to point an actual domain at it? |
| 11:55.48 | Gnarfoz | can subdomains have NS entries? they probably can |
| 11:58.27 | nevcairiel | yes, but i've never used it |
| 11:59.14 | nevcairiel | are you thinking about running your own NS for those? |
| 11:59.17 | nevcairiel | dont you still need two |
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| 12:14.26 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: two what? |
| 12:14.40 | Gnarfoz | two nameservers? not sure, why would I need two? |
| 12:14.53 | Gnarfoz | the CNAME on the actual domain is just static |
| 12:15.03 | Gnarfoz | so I'd only need a NS for the subdomain |
| 12:15.14 | Gnarfoz | at least that's my theory :D |
| 12:15.37 | nevcairiel | there is usually always two NS |
| 12:15.43 | nevcairiel | but maybe subdomains can get away with one |
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| 13:39.08 | Gnarfoz | ah, hm |
| 13:41.34 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure that's an actual requirement |
| 13:44.52 | quiescens | i don't think there was a technological reason that you needed 2 NS, just that it tended to be policy that the registrars required you to set 2 nameservers in the whois and resultant registration |
| 13:45.16 | nevcairiel | the technical reason is of course redundancy |
| 13:45.26 | nevcairiel | they also ought to be on different networks |
| 13:45.44 | nevcairiel | its a requirement set by IANA |
| 13:45.55 | nevcairiel | "There must be at least two NS records listed in a delegation, and the hosts must not resolve to the same IP address." |
| 13:45.56 | quiescens | that's more a reason you should have two than a reason you have to have two |
| 13:46.33 | Gnarfoz | well, but IANA doesn't control subdomains, so maybe you were right on that part |
| 13:46.33 | quiescens | only a requirement because of policy o.o |
| 13:46.37 | nevcairiel | "The name servers must be in at least two topologically separate networks. A network is defined as an origin autonomous system in the BGP routing table. The requirement is assessed through inspection of views of the BGP routing table." |
| 13:47.08 | Gnarfoz | I wonder if that's actually fulfilled by everyone :D |
| 14:10.22 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.38 | nevcairiel | Aren't different NS also supposed to have different names |
| 14:27.13 | nevcairiel | Oh it's the tld that's different |
| 14:27.17 | nevcairiel | Odd way to name shit |
| 14:27.43 | Gnarfoz | hetzner does it with the domain name |
| 14:27.52 | Gnarfoz | ns.first-ns.de, second-ns.net etc :D |
| 14:28.36 | Gnarfoz | (but they also use different hostnames in those zones as well, doubt it matters) |
| 14:29.04 | Gnarfoz | in other non-news, 28 Mbit/s and the quality is still terrible https://hastebin.com/muguhunudi.aac |
| 14:29.12 | Gnarfoz | the hardware encoder must be shite |
| 14:35.43 | nevcairiel | What's that,a phone? |
| 14:58.37 | Gnarfoz | my dashcam |
| 14:59.19 | Gnarfoz | related: I'm not sure they themselves know what aperture it has: https://www.viofo.com/img/cms/A119S%E8%AF%A6%E6%83%85%E9%A1%B5.jpg ;D |
| 14:59.35 | nevcairiel | arent dashcams semi-illegal in germany |
| 15:00.42 | Gnarfoz | https://www.viofo.com/img/cms/1_1.jpg says 6G F2.0, wtf, that's AMD levels of rebranding |
| 15:00.54 | Gnarfoz | not illegal enough to not have one |
| 15:01.12 | nevcairiel | reading the ADAC page, also not legal enough to justify wasting money on it |
| 15:01.21 | Gnarfoz | i.e. they're neither, and there are both cases where it was accepted as evidence and where it was dismissed |
| 15:01.30 | nevcairiel | they make it sound like while it may not be flat out illegal to have one, its not really possible to use the footage for any gain in the end |
| 15:01.39 | Gnarfoz | ADAC obviously can't give "you can try" as advice |
| 15:02.23 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, "it's complicated" |
| 15:03.08 | Gnarfoz | anyway, the video is really.... grainy, and even blocky as well, they must be using bad options, shame that you can't really tell what they use |
| 15:03.26 | nevcairiel | its a hardware encoder, it probably doesnt even come with many "options" |
| 15:03.54 | Gnarfoz | hm well, then I mean the options the h/w encoder maker chose |
| 15:04.08 | nevcairiel | "cheap" is probably their main option =p |
| 15:04.16 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 15:04.48 | Gnarfoz | being fast enough to do 60fps 1080p at 28mbit would seem to indicate it has at least some power |
| 15:13.30 | Gnarfoz | also annoying: firmware updates without proper changelogs |
| 15:13.37 | Gnarfoz | the support page only has the changes for the most recent one |
| 15:14.16 | Gnarfoz | I updated a month ago (to a version apparently built in November), and there's a new version from last week but it's two minor versions higher, so I have no idea what was in the one between :D |
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| 15:55.54 | Megalon | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvC-J2eKIic |
| 15:56.04 | Megalon | is that american curling? |
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| 15:57.19 | nevcairiel | no, thats american idiots being darwined |
| 15:57.59 | nevcairiel | hey we cant drive in snow for shit, and today we also have bad visibility, lets just drive a bit faster |
| 15:59.39 | nebula | inclement weather? fuck off i'm going the speed limit |
| 16:00.08 | Megalon | the faster you drive, the faster you are past the bad weather :) |
| 16:13.35 | Infus | TheDanW: eh, so I almost forgot about it, but here is a small list of feature wishes you could grant for Christmas: https://pastebin.com/f5RPHfV4 |
| 16:16.36 | nevcairiel | I veto regex support :P |
| 16:17.36 | nevcairiel | Also wrong channel, but the majority of those are so extremely unrealistic |
| 16:19.16 | znf | That's what we said about nameplates having tokens and native aura tracking! |
| 16:19.32 | nebula | native aura tracking? |
| 16:19.42 | znf | As in debuff/buff tracking |
| 16:19.46 | znf | Whatever you call it |
| 16:20.00 | nebula | when did we not have that? |
| 16:20.08 | nevcairiel | That's within given game/add-on systems at least |
| 16:20.20 | nevcairiel | And not asking to invent huge new systems |
| 16:20.46 | znf | nebula: pre 7.0? |
| 16:21.06 | nebula | i don't understand what you mean, then |
| 16:21.10 | znf | I meant that before 7.0 there was no aura tracking on nameplates |
| 16:21.23 | nebula | oh, meh |
| 16:21.47 | znf | You had to do some unreliable magic :P |
| 16:22.08 | nebula | you just had to mouseover the nameplates |
| 16:23.08 | nebula | not to say the nameplate overhaul wasn't appreciated |
| 16:23.33 | nevcairiel | Nameplates were one of the archaic systems never touched since launch |
| 17:02.23 | Gnarfoz | there are still some of those left, heh |
| 17:09.44 | bluspacecow | Alpha - "kill dis guy" |
| 17:09.58 | bluspacecow | "le make that guy's HP not go below 1" |
| 17:10.00 | bluspacecow | also Alpha |
| 18:00.15 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: https://twitter.com/Gnarfoz/status/969633206336217089?s=09 |
| 18:00.33 | Gnarfoz | Could have been worse |
| 18:02.17 | nevcairiel | guess you just registered for interest |
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| 20:49.55 | znf | I'm waiting for that sweet addon-author beta wave |
| 20:49.57 | znf | any day now |
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| 21:02.28 | nevcairiel | its not like there was even a signup for that yet =p |
| 21:20.44 | znf | yes :( |
| 21:20.47 | znf | I know |
| 21:57.12 | znf | I endured countless things, I kept my uptime! |
| 21:57.18 | znf | ...in the end, what finally made me reboot was... |
| 21:58.02 | znf | ...me dropping a paper towel roll between the desk and the computer case (which is open), and it knocked my GPU offline |
| 21:58.34 | Megalon | you mean instead of your something shorting out and destroying hardware |
| 21:58.37 | Megalon | you only had to reboot |
| 21:58.48 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/P0EowIM.png |
| 21:58.49 | znf | :( |
| 21:59.32 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah. specifically, https://hastebin.com/ihefewaguv.erl |
| 22:10.18 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/uzjtB2d.png |
| 22:10.20 | znf | I chuckled |
| 22:27.06 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: any suggestions for turning shaky, interlaced, 18 fps, mjpeg footage into stabilized, progressive, 24/25/30? fps, h264? :D |
| 22:28.03 | znf | go back and film it again |
| 22:28.04 | znf | :D |
| 22:28.32 | Gnarfoz | sure, give me the keys to your time machine |
| 22:30.00 | Gnarfoz | I could leave it shaky, but 18 fps doesn't work everywhere (it's mostly being played back too fast) |
| 22:30.23 | Gnarfoz | I seem to have tried before, I have a virtualdub processing settings file |
| 22:31.10 | nevcairiel | is it actual 18 fps or just randomly weird? |
| 22:31.21 | Gnarfoz | and deshaker 3.1 for vdub, which does seem to work, although I'm starting to think MediaInfo's claim of this being interlaced is wrong -- at least if I set deshaker to interlaced, it produces... weird output |
| 22:31.33 | Gnarfoz | it's scanned normal 8 film, so it's real 18 fps |
| 22:31.48 | Gnarfoz | (or maybe it's super 8, idk, same difference to me) |
| 22:32.15 | nevcairiel | converting the rate is easy, deshaking, well, algorithms vary in quality |
| 22:32.39 | nevcairiel | i would use ffmpeg command line for that, but that may not be for everyone =p |
| 22:32.40 | Gnarfoz | I could probably use the opportunity to learn avisynth/vaporsynth finally, I guess |
| 22:32.57 | Gnarfoz | ffmpeg for stabilization? or for rate conversion |
| 22:33.11 | nevcairiel | both, although no i dea how good its deshaker is |
| 22:33.18 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 22:33.24 | Gnarfoz | I guess step 1 would be figuring out if it's actually interlaced |
| 22:33.52 | nevcairiel | ffmpeg has a filter for that! |
| 22:33.52 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:34.02 | quiescens | o.o |
| 22:34.03 | Gnarfoz | (just realized the folder name is "Film S8 - <title>", so yeah, Super 8) |
| 22:34.32 | Gnarfoz | ffmpeg --help: please print me |
| 22:35.08 | quiescens | prints gnarfoz |
| 22:35.19 | nevcairiel | to try to detect interlacing: ffmpeg -i <file> -vf idet -f null - |
| 22:35.43 | nevcairiel | it should give you some output when its done |
| 22:36.45 | Gnarfoz | Input #0, avi, from '04-078_wiese_18fps_hd.avi': [...] |
| 22:36.45 | Gnarfoz | Stream #0:0: Video: mjpeg (MJPG / 0x47504A4D), yuvj422p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 1920x1080, 92859 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc |
| 22:36.50 | Gnarfoz | this is not starting well. :D |
| 22:36.56 | nevcairiel | why not |
| 22:36.57 | nevcairiel | seems fine |
| 22:37.00 | Gnarfoz | 25 fps |
| 22:37.14 | Gnarfoz | if it's a 25 fps video file with 18 fps content... wut |
| 22:37.18 | nevcairiel | thats probably why it runs too fast in many players =p |
| 22:37.27 | Gnarfoz | but... there's a file that's named 25 fps |
| 22:37.31 | Gnarfoz | which runs too fast, this one is fine |
| 22:37.45 | Gnarfoz | I vaguely remember being annoyed by this before. :P |
| 22:38.24 | Gnarfoz | yep, MediaInfo reports both as 25 fps |
| 22:38.34 | nevcairiel | maybe your 18fps is fake |
| 22:38.35 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:38.40 | Gnarfoz | so I guess the one labeled 18 fps already had interpolation done on it? |
| 22:38.40 | nevcairiel | never trust file names! |
| 22:38.47 | Gnarfoz | I have nothing else :\ |
| 22:38.55 | Gnarfoz | well, I have the file contents, duh, but. |
| 22:39.01 | quiescens | flip a coin |
| 22:39.09 | Gnarfoz | so... it's safe to assume the file names are backwards from what I'd expect them to be |
| 22:39.39 | Gnarfoz | and the 25 fps one contains 1 original frame per 1 video frame, and it's set to 25 fps, so it's being played back too fast? |
| 22:39.50 | nevcairiel | possible |
| 22:40.00 | nevcairiel | does it also have audio? |
| 22:40.02 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 22:40.22 | Gnarfoz | but it's clear which one looks "right" and which one doesn't |
| 22:40.43 | Gnarfoz | [Parsed_idet_0 @ 0xb6ccc0] Repeated Fields: Neither: 20071 Top: 0 Bottom: 0 |
| 22:40.44 | Gnarfoz | [Parsed_idet_0 @ 0xb6ccc0] Single frame detection: TFF: 2868 BFF: 10896 Progressive: 6307 Undetermined: 0 |
| 22:40.44 | Gnarfoz | [Parsed_idet_0 @ 0xb6ccc0] Multi frame detection: TFF: 536 BFF: 16776 Progressive: 2759 Undetermined: 0 |
| 22:41.13 | nevcairiel | looks like it might be bottom-first interlaced |
| 22:41.26 | Gnarfoz | curious. mediainfo claims it's top-first interlaced |
| 22:41.40 | Gnarfoz | I'll run the same thing on the other file, perhaps that's more helpful |
| 22:41.47 | nevcairiel | media info only reads header flags, this actually looked at the image content |
| 22:41.59 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 22:42.06 | Gnarfoz | (well, I figured as much considering it takes a while) |
| 22:42.45 | Gnarfoz | which would also explain why the vdub deshaker plugin, set to interlace + TFF produced sawtooth borders |
| 22:43.21 | quiescens | are you channeling znf ^^ |
| 22:44.16 | Gnarfoz | I was way past due for a proper "fuck around with things I barely know anything about" session |
| 22:44.26 | znf | hey now |
| 22:44.29 | znf | I know 50% |
| 22:44.34 | Gnarfoz | ymmv |
| 22:45.09 | quiescens | gives Gnarfoz a cookie |
| 22:45.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: interesting. the "25 fps" file has 2.5k tff/2.5k bff/9.5k progressive (both single and multi frame detection) |
| 22:45.36 | nevcairiel | maybe you fucked around with that more |
| 22:45.38 | Gnarfoz | I guess that matches with my earlier guesstimation |
| 22:45.52 | Gnarfoz | no these are the raw files from the company that did the conversion |
| 22:46.25 | Gnarfoz | I might only be in gefährliches Halbwissen territory, but even I wouldn't create an interlaced MJEPG avi file |
| 22:46.28 | Gnarfoz | of anything. ever. |
| 22:46.33 | nevcairiel | is super8 even interlaced |
| 22:46.38 | Gnarfoz | of course not, it's film |
| 22:46.46 | nevcairiel | well, that doesnt mean that much |
| 22:46.54 | nevcairiel | ntsc cameras are also some sort of film |
| 22:47.01 | Gnarfoz | right, you could of course record interlaced to film |
| 22:47.02 | nevcairiel | which comes out interlaced |
| 22:47.28 | Gnarfoz | this is plain old 8 mm film, hand-cut |
| 22:48.28 | Gnarfoz | anyhow, guess I should ditch the "18 fps" file (which appears to be the opposite, or should be read as "plays as fast as you would expect") and do any further processing on the other one, and also do the fps adjustment myself |
| 22:48.34 | Gnarfoz | progress! |
| 22:48.37 | Gnarfoz | (ive) |
| 22:49.27 | Gnarfoz | this has east german phone booths in it |
| 22:50.04 | nevcairiel | curiours that may fatehr never had the idea to digitize some of our old film home movies |
| 22:50.10 | nevcairiel | but i think he evne still has the projector |
| 22:50.19 | Gnarfoz | I can tell you why he wouldn't |
| 22:50.21 | Gnarfoz | â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬ |
| 22:50.34 | nevcairiel | yeah probably |
| 22:50.39 | nevcairiel | but those precious memories |
| 22:50.40 | Gnarfoz | if you want it done properly, for which the only way would be scanning |
| 22:51.14 | Gnarfoz | I think we estimated about 8000⬠just for the scanning? meh |
| 22:51.21 | Gnarfoz | I hope that was for "everything" |
| 22:51.28 | nevcairiel | thats a lot of money |
| 22:51.31 | Gnarfoz | I think prices are per meter |
| 22:51.39 | Gnarfoz | of film, that is |
| 22:51.57 | nevcairiel | there is not a lot of seconds in a meter |
| 22:52.05 | Gnarfoz | I don't remember, we basically abandoned the idea after seeing a) how good the results can be and b) how expensive that would be |
| 22:52.47 | Gnarfoz | the other methods like filming off a projection, or projecting straight into a recording device all looked varying degrees of terrible |
| 22:54.29 | Gnarfoz | my father donated some footage of the construction of Hannover's subway in the 60/70's, and after seeing the result he got a hold of the company that did the conversion for that; the files I'm looking at are from the same company, afaik |
| 22:54.45 | Gnarfoz | ...donated to a documentary dvd collection thingamajig. |
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