| 00:04.54 | znf | sleep ult is very nice at cancelling ults :) |
| 00:06.42 | znf | or preemptive strikes, when you know they're doing an objective |
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| 00:48.08 | Stanzilla | yeah |
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| 15:24.50 | znf | Client: HexChat 2.14.1 ⢠OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4440 CPU @ 3.10GHz (3.10GHz) ⢠Memory: 15.9 GiB Total (7.4 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 2.8 TiB / 2.9 TiB (184.3 GiB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 ⢠Uptime: 4d 12h 8m 43s |
| 15:24.55 | znf | so, hmmm |
| 15:25.00 | znf | i5-4440 vs. i7-4700 |
| 15:25.03 | Megalon | what do you wanna tell us |
| 15:25.16 | znf | i7-4770 actually |
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| 16:59.13 | znf | hey nevcairiel |
| 16:59.17 | znf | I have 4 memory modules |
| 16:59.31 | znf | 2 x Corsair Vengeance 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR3 1600 MHz PC3 12800 - https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-240-Pin-Channel-CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9/dp/B004CRSM4I |
| 16:59.32 | znf | and |
| 17:00.38 | znf | 2 x Kingston 9905471-035.A00LF (PC3-12800, 1.5V, CAS Supported: 6 7 8 9 10 11) |
| 17:01.01 | znf | basically: https://i.imgur.com/Vs1eHKK.png |
| 17:01.10 | znf | + https://i.imgur.com/gyFlBfa.png |
| 17:01.26 | znf | any ideas why my memory is at 667Mhz (=1333Mhz) instead of 1600? |
| 17:08.02 | znf | I set it to 1600Mhz from BIOS |
| 17:08.06 | znf | but I'm not sure why it would do that |
| 17:32.54 | Gnarfoz | harl: start by playing a scenario with /fstack enabled :D |
| 17:33.35 | Gnarfoz | znf: maybe your board/cpu isn't capable of running 4 modules at 1600 |
| 17:33.43 | Gnarfoz | seems like the most likely scenario |
| 17:34.31 | znf | so why would it work if forced? |
| 17:34.44 | Gnarfoz | it wouldn't |
| 17:35.03 | Gnarfoz | it's running at 1600? your screenshot says 1333 |
| 17:35.46 | Gnarfoz | you mixed XMP modules with non-XMP modules |
| 17:35.59 | Gnarfoz | the mainboard couldn't find a good match of SPD values |
| 17:36.10 | Gnarfoz | (at 1600) |
| 17:36.34 | Gnarfoz | so it fell back to 1333, for which both modules have values? something like that |
| 17:36.51 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/ntAVVug.png |
| 17:37.04 | Gnarfoz | see above |
| 17:37.10 | znf | see above |
| 17:37.19 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 17:37.27 | Gnarfoz | it's running at 1600 because you set it to that manually |
| 17:37.34 | znf | cool, that's fine with me |
| 17:37.47 | Gnarfoz | and it didn't run at 1600 on its own because one module has XMP settings for 1600 and the other doesn't |
| 17:37.55 | znf | neat, what's XMP? |
| 17:38.03 | znf | and why does it exist? to annoy me? |
| 17:38.07 | Gnarfoz | intel xtreme memory profile |
| 17:38.13 | Gnarfoz | uh, it's for high-end ram |
| 17:38.22 | znf | so remove modules with XMP, got it |
| 17:38.29 | Gnarfoz | no? |
| 17:38.30 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 17:38.48 | znf | no? :( ok |
| 17:38.51 | Gnarfoz | don't mix random modules and expect auto-detection of perfect clock speeds to work |
| 17:39.10 | Gnarfoz | the Kingston RAM doesn't even seem to have a set of values for 666 MHz |
| 17:39.24 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's not showing all of the SPD data, idk |
| 17:39.33 | harl | Gnarfoz: that's what i did |
| 17:40.01 | Gnarfoz | Corsair shows 1, 2, 3, XMP; Kingston shows 3, 4, 5, 6; not sure what the hell to make of that xD |
| 17:40.46 | Gnarfoz | harl: then, with the frame name in hand, I guess you get to go throug the Blizzard UI and figure out what triggers and feeds that frame ^^ |
| 17:40.49 | Gnarfoz | ~framexml |
| 17:40.49 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on https://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ . |
| 17:41.56 | harl | i can't do that |
| 17:42.56 | Gnarfoz | no? |
| 17:46.27 | Gnarfoz | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/LevelUpDisplay.lua#726 stageDescription would seem to contain the text you want |
| 17:50.01 | Gnarfoz | sadly, the shiny new docs only document C_ScenarioInfo, not C_Scenario (maybe that got renamed? doubtful), and it doesn't list any functions for that, just events |
| 17:50.17 | Gnarfoz | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_APIDocumentation/ScenarioInfoDocumentation.lua or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_APIDocumentation/#s:scenario |
| 17:50.56 | harl | what's even the event triggering it.. LEVEL_UP_TYPE_SCENARIO or what |
| 17:51.26 | Gnarfoz | triggering what? I linked to a function call |
| 17:51.39 | harl | the scenario "level up" |
| 17:51.45 | Gnarfoz | I'd assume you can just call it whenever you're in a scenario |
| 17:53.03 | Gnarfoz | LEVEL_UP_TYPE_SCENARIO is from https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/LevelUpDisplay.lua#351 |
| 17:53.07 | harl | or SCENARIO_UPDATE |
| 17:53.58 | Gnarfoz | and that function is called from here: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Blizzard_ObjectiveTracker/Blizzard_ScenarioObjectiveTracker.lua#944 |
| 17:55.07 | harl | OBJECTIVE_TRACKER_UPDATE_SCENARIO_NEW_STAGE |
| 17:55.09 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/ZuPbVfD.png |
| 17:55.11 | znf | what's VRel? |
| 17:55.35 | Megalon | it has a help menu where it tells you |
| 17:56.25 | Megalon | VRel just means the core is unable to step up to the next voltage bin on the Boost curve because the core will become unstable |
| 17:56.27 | znf | no it doesn't |
| 17:56.28 | Gnarfoz | which is ultimately called from here https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Blizzard_ObjectiveTracker/Blizzard_ObjectiveTracker.lua#734 which is in a block for handling SCENARIO_UPDATE |
| 17:56.29 | Megalon | there ya go |
| 17:56.32 | Gnarfoz | harl: ^ |
| 17:57.04 | harl | i'm not sure what to make of all of this |
| 17:57.14 | Megalon | http://www.overclock.net/forum/69-nvidia/1593515-perfcap-reasons-gpu-z.html that took me a whole 3 words of google :P |
| 17:57.19 | Gnarfoz | that depends on what you want to make (of all this) |
| 17:57.37 | Gnarfoz | I understood that you wanted to access the stage description text at a time of your choosing |
| 17:57.51 | Gnarfoz | instead of obeying the default UI fading out at a time of its choosing |
| 17:57.52 | harl | no.. |
| 17:58.22 | Gnarfoz | seems like the easier route than "I want to stop the default UI from fading out unless I tell it to" |
| 17:58.23 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:58.31 | harl | i want it to addmessage the text to the chat frame when it appears anyway |
| 17:58.46 | Gnarfoz | oh, that should be easy with what I described? |
| 17:59.54 | harl | not for me |
| 18:00.10 | Gnarfoz | f=CreateFrame("Frame") ChatFrame1:AddMessage(select(2,(C_Scenario.GetStepInfo())) end f:REGISTER_EVENT("SCENARIO_UPDATE") |
| 18:00.38 | Megalon | no onevent handler? >:P |
| 18:00.40 | Gnarfoz | that's probably going to be hellishly spammy, you'd probably need to add some kind of tracking of which stage you're currently in, so it doesn't add a line more than once per stage |
| 18:00.41 | pompy | https://www.twitch.tv/kitboga |
| 18:00.55 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: where we're going, we don't need event handlers |
| 18:01.22 | Megalon | well, you need at least something after registering the event or why register it at all :P |
| 18:01.28 | harl | that's why i was asking about the event |
| 18:01.29 | Gnarfoz | err, also, I totally botched major other things |
| 18:01.41 | Gnarfoz | that's why I dug deeper to tell you the event \o/ |
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| 18:03.05 | harl | the one that fires when the game goes "scenario updated to stage n+1" |
| 18:03.14 | Gnarfoz | yeah, SCENARIO_UPDATE |
| 18:05.18 | harl | hm |
| 18:07.29 | Funkeh`` | https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/eight-new-spectre-variant-vulnerabilities-for-intel-discovered-four-of-them-critical.html |
| 18:07.51 | Gnarfoz | harl: something like this should be closer to functioning: https://gist.github.com/Gnarfoz/0d30d26b20f2c4c7150e9aabd642dc13 |
| 18:10.05 | Gnarfoz | (updated with a .toc file that should work if you dump the two files into an addon folder named "ScenarioToChat") |
| 18:11.38 | znf | So... because my old CPU cooler was pretty old, when I removed it to change CPU, I have some plastic parts failing and thus they broke a bit |
| 18:11.44 | znf | should I splurge the money on a Noctua? |
| 18:12.12 | Megalon | buy a gluegun |
| 18:12.49 | znf | I feel that Noctua NH-D14 is an overkill :-/ |
| 18:21.03 | Gnarfoz | you think? |
| 18:21.27 | Megalon | you worried about the icicles building up on your mobo? |
| 18:21.37 | znf | no |
| 18:21.50 | znf | I'm cheap. |
| 18:22.03 | Megalon | but a clamp |
| 18:22.03 | Megalon | buy |
| 18:23.17 | Gnarfoz | the NH-D14 is like top 3 among tower coolers overall, clearly it's a monster :D |
| 18:24.00 | Andols | pompy: this might be fun :D |
| 18:26.23 | Andols | and the stream went offline |
| 18:26.33 | Andols | GG the scammers won |
| 18:30.47 | Gnarfoz | harl is stuck in a scenario now, forever |
| 19:46.03 | Gnarfoz | http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2018/05/superintendent_out_out_for_job_relieved_himself_un.html |
| 19:49.29 | pompy | Gnarfoz: where did you come across that story? |
| 19:53.11 | znf | Woah. |
| 19:53.18 | znf | They're pushing raid testing on the PTR? O.o |
| 19:53.19 | znf | :o |
| 19:54.31 | Gnarfoz | pompy: #elitistjerks |
| 19:55.33 | Gnarfoz | znf: there isn't even a PTR, yet, so... were you thinking of beta? |
| 19:56.04 | znf | Gnarfoz, I missread the mmo-c post |
| 19:56.22 | znf | also, Gnarfoz, I should get me one of these https://www.banggood.com/hey-gnarfoz-p-1288314.html |
| 19:56.39 | Gnarfoz | you want to burn your house down? |
| 19:56.49 | znf | nope, blitzwolf kicks ass |
| 19:57.08 | znf | their cables and charges I have have been going on for a long time now |
| 19:57.26 | znf | the charging cable has sustained over a year of abuse |
| 19:57.46 | znf | also, almost everything that is QualComm certified is pretty good shit |
| 19:58.16 | Gnarfoz | company started in 2015, that's not really a lot of history :D |
| 19:58.53 | Gnarfoz | (might be good, what do I know) |
| 19:59.06 | znf | there's good brands and there's generic chinese shit |
| 19:59.13 | znf | Xiaomi is one of the good brands |
| 19:59.20 | znf | BlitzWolf, with their niche, are also very good |
| 20:03.24 | znf | Benson Leung gave them a good review |
| 20:08.04 | Gnarfoz | is that the Google guy who tested USB Type C cables and ended up frying his laptop |
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| 20:11.03 | znf | yeah |
| 20:20.41 | znf | I kind of want some game controllers |
| 20:20.45 | znf | gamepad* |
| 20:22.04 | Andols | pompy: That was amazing, is every call like this? |
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| 21:05.37 | quiescens | moo |
| 21:10.22 | pompy | Andols: don't know first time seeing the channel |
| 21:20.28 | znf | something something Wiedergutmachung |
| 21:31.50 | znf | it's my demotion game, Stanzilla! |
| 21:35.01 | Stanzilla | have fun |
| 21:37.12 | znf | Stanzilla, whos dick do I have to suck to get the taskbar to blink when I get a queue popping up? |
| 21:37.27 | nevcairiel | play WoW, it does that |
| 21:37.50 | Stanzilla | dunno, requested it ages ago |
| 21:38.31 | znf | Stanzilla, oh, you get a -600 points penalty for draft dodging? |
| 21:41.02 | Stanzilla | dunno I dont do that |
| 21:41.22 | Stanzilla | also the game actually maximizes when a queue pops I think |
| 21:42.06 | Stanzilla | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/heroes/topic/20753506182 |
| 21:42.25 | znf | it doesn't |
| 21:44.12 | quiescens | it probably restores, but only if you actually minimized it or tabbed out while running in full screen |
| 21:44.39 | quiescens | if you do the thingy where its a full screen window and alt-tab or just click outside of the window, it probably wouldn't |
| 21:45.04 | znf | I run borderless |
| 21:45.08 | znf | who runs fullscreen games? :P |
| 21:45.12 | znf | except the g-sync users |
| 21:47.51 | Elmoe | znf: actually g-sync works just fine w/o fullscreen |
| 21:49.28 | nevcairiel | Elmoe: actually thats a lie |
| 21:49.54 | nevcairiel | ever tried playing WoW in GSYNC without fullscreen? because if you did, you would not claim this =p |
| 21:50.03 | Elmoe | I do that every day |
| 21:50.06 | Elmoe | works fine for me |
| 21:50.11 | znf | I remember that I asked nevcairiel about it and he said it doesn't work |
| 21:50.11 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: what are you experiencing? |
| 21:50.18 | nevcairiel | usually absolutely terrible fps |
| 21:50.23 | Elmoe | hmm strange |
| 21:50.26 | Elmoe | works flawless for me |
| 21:50.28 | nevcairiel | like 20 fps |
| 21:50.30 | nevcairiel | or such shit |
| 21:50.33 | Elmoe | the g-sync just stops as soon as the window looses focus of course |
| 21:50.38 | nevcairiel | when its at 100+ with fullscreen or without gsync |
| 21:50.49 | Elmoe | hmm maybe an issue specific to your g-sync monitor then? |
| 21:51.02 | nevcairiel | that sounds like a nonsense explanation |
| 21:51.15 | nevcairiel | why would the monitor care if its windowed or fullscreen |
| 21:51.34 | nevcairiel | also, there is numerous reports of this on the wow and nvidia forums |
| 21:51.44 | Elmoe | interesting guess I just got lucky |
| 21:51.47 | Elmoe | its always worked fine for me |
| 21:51.57 | Gnarfoz | or: it never worked and you can't tell |
| 21:51.59 | Gnarfoz | >:D |
| 21:52.20 | Elmoe | fair, I mean the only way I know its "working" is because the fps gets capped |
| 21:52.38 | Gnarfoz | (which wow of course can do on its own as well) |
| 21:52.39 | Elmoe | so like windows has focus, capped at 100, window looses focus, fps shoots up to 150+ |
| 21:52.40 | znf | Stanzilla, yup, bye by esilver 1 for me |
| 21:52.46 | znf | walking over potions is hard |
| 21:52.56 | nevcairiel | my screen actually has a gsync refresh rate display which is useful to see if its working at all |
| 21:53.04 | Stanzilla | bai |
| 21:53.44 | nevcairiel | just turn up graphics so it doesnt cap anymore |
| 21:53.50 | Gnarfoz | (although having maxFPS at 100 and maxBGFPS (or whatever the cvar name is) unset/far higher would be... odd) |
| 21:53.52 | nevcairiel | which with wows bad engine is not so hard |
| 21:54.06 | Elmoe | Gnarfoz: yeah neither of those cvars is set |
| 21:54.27 | Gnarfoz | I didn't expect them to, heh |
| 21:54.32 | nevcairiel | gsync with vsync is actually sub-optimal, better to use maxFPS and turn off vsync |
| 21:54.38 | Gnarfoz | (and the bg one is probably incorrect anyway) |
| 21:55.12 | nevcairiel | probably wouldnt matter for a slow game like wow |
| 21:55.14 | nevcairiel | but you know |
| 21:55.34 | Andols | znf: Tercioo i guess https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/flash-taskbar |
| 21:55.43 | nevcairiel | you dont happen to just run a single screen, do you? |
| 21:55.49 | nevcairiel | might be caused by multi-monitor setups |
| 21:56.08 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: nah, if I ran on a single screen I'd be happy to use fullscreen |
| 21:56.15 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: fullscreen is a non-option with multiple monitors imo |
| 21:56.21 | nevcairiel | doesnt bother me |
| 21:56.23 | nevcairiel | when i game, i game |
| 21:56.28 | Elmoe | oh not me at all |
| 21:56.34 | Elmoe | especially when working on add-on |
| 21:56.39 | znf | Andols, cool. Now how do I install that in HoTS? |
| 21:56.49 | nevcairiel | i like being able to view things on the other screen, like teamspeak or whatever |
| 21:56.58 | Gnarfoz | but not interacting with them? |
| 21:56.59 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: thats interesting that you and others have that issue though, I'm really glad it doesn't seem to affect me |
| 21:57.03 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: is it just wow or all games for you? |
| 21:57.23 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: its not that i cannot interact with them, it just takes a second longer =p |
| 21:57.31 | Gnarfoz | and the game minimizes |
| 21:57.33 | Andols | Ah, i thought you were talking about wow |
| 21:58.12 | nevcairiel | Elmoe: didnt notice it much with other games but havent systematically tested them, i just turned off windowed gsync and use fse everywhere |
| 21:58.34 | nevcairiel | but it appears BfA is removing full fse mode, which is really annoying |
| 21:58.38 | nevcairiel | since the issue persists in the beta |
| 21:58.47 | Gnarfoz | why would they do that oO |
| 21:58.48 | Elmoe | hmm |
| 21:58.58 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: because microsoft wants to phase it out |
| 21:59.04 | znf | FSE is what? |
| 21:59.06 | Gnarfoz | why would /they/ do that oO |
| 21:59.13 | Gnarfoz | fullscreen exclusive |
| 21:59.15 | nevcairiel | because its a bad user experience |
| 21:59.15 | Gnarfoz | aka fullscreen |
| 21:59.20 | znf | ag |
| 21:59.21 | znf | ah |
| 21:59.25 | znf | true, it is a bad UX |
| 21:59.37 | nevcairiel | and you can get the same efficient rendering with the new dwm-bypass mode in win10 |
| 21:59.55 | znf | it's Annoying User Experience |
| 21:59.56 | Gnarfoz | so, how many decades before nobody uses it anymore? :D |
| 22:02.59 | Stanzilla | fullscreen games are the worst, the flickering when tabbing out etc |
| 22:03.25 | nevcairiel | its actually much better on 10, the switches are not that disruptive anymore |
| 22:03.37 | nevcairiel | unless you're a crazy person that runs their fullscreen game in a different resolution |
| 22:03.50 | Stanzilla | not really better for me |
| 22:04.08 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.13 | Stanzilla | also sometimes even the other monitors flicker when the main one gets out of fullscreen |
| 22:04.17 | znf | but they don't have the specs to run it at native :P |
| 22:06.02 | *** join/#wowace Andols (~yaaic@78-70-44-4-no170.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 22:06.59 | Stanzilla | and I tab out A LOT |
| 22:07.07 | Stanzilla | would not stand having that flicker party all the time |
| 22:07.23 | nevcairiel | i've only encountered one bizzare issue recently |
| 22:07.33 | nevcairiel | for some reason after I tab out of a FSE 3D game, notepad++ is broken |
| 22:07.37 | nevcairiel | its sort of click-through |
| 22:08.01 | nevcairiel | if i minimize and restore it, its fine |
| 22:08.04 | Stanzilla | that happens to my taskbar sometimes |
| 22:08.16 | Stanzilla | I have to press the windows key to open the start menu and then it works again |
| 22:08.34 | nevcairiel | how would you know if the taskbar is click-through, there is usually not things behind it you can click |
| 22:08.48 | Stanzilla | because I can't switch programs via taskbar icons? |
| 22:09.01 | nevcairiel | maybe its just non-responsive but not click-through?!? :) |
| 22:09.14 | nevcairiel | i can literally click things that are behind the np++ window |
| 22:09.16 | Elmoe | I've got that lovely bug with the latest nvidia driver where randomly win10 is unable to create any new opengl contexts and then geforce experience tells you that you need to update your driver (which you already have installed). You have to enable disable/enable the gpu in device manager or restart. Nvidia has said they are working on fix though. |
| 22:09.19 | nevcairiel | i just dont see through it :p |
| 22:09.23 | Stanzilla | dunno, same shit to me, notifications on icons and blinking still works |
| 22:09.27 | Stanzilla | just clicking it does not |
| 22:10.00 | Stanzilla | Elmoe: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4661/kw/ |
| 22:10.03 | Stanzilla | was released an hour or so ago |
| 22:10.05 | Stanzilla | maybe helps you |
| 22:10.22 | Elmoe | awesome yes thank you |
| 22:10.25 | Elmoe | that looks like the fix |
| 22:11.03 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather know why my taskbar icons (and perhaps other things) flicker once per hour or so on my work computer :D |
| 22:11.15 | Stanzilla | they added a workaround for the horrible notifications focus stealing issue in Windows 10 today |
| 22:11.17 | nevcairiel | how is that, none of the points in the changelog seem very related to your report |
| 22:11.23 | Stanzilla | they just disable notifications when a game is running :D |
| 22:11.33 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: Windows 10: Driver may get removed after PC has been left idle for an extended period of time. |
| 22:11.40 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: that should be it |
| 22:11.43 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: isnt that what focus assist is supposed to be doing |
| 22:11.44 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: something in the background updates and it refreshes the icons |
| 22:11.46 | nevcairiel | it told me that it would |
| 22:11.50 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: yes it auto turns on now |
| 22:11.53 | Stanzilla | when you play a game |
| 22:12.01 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: that's vague enough to mean anything and nothing |
| 22:12.12 | Gnarfoz | why would something "update" that often :D |
| 22:12.26 | Stanzilla | no idea but that something refreshes your icon cache |
| 22:12.31 | Stanzilla | software updates in the background do that |
| 22:12.36 | Stanzilla | https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/05/03/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-17661/#Iu8Qy8HYU3jZsGDY.97 |
| 22:12.37 | Gnarfoz | yeah but... |
| 22:12.40 | Stanzilla | Now Focus assist will turn on automatically when youâre playing any full screen game. No more interruptions when youâre crushing it. This behavior should be turned on automatically, but you can always check by going to Settings > System > Focus assist and ensuring the âWhen Iâm playing a gameâ automatic rule is enabled. |
| 22:12.48 | Gnarfoz | there are no updates |
| 22:13.00 | nevcairiel | i never turned it on and it did that for me |
| 22:13.02 | Stanzilla | I'd rather have them fix the notification stealing but better than nothing |
| 22:13.03 | nevcairiel | two days ago already |
| 22:13.06 | nevcairiel | on 1803 live |
| 22:13.22 | Gnarfoz | does focus assist also assist in programs/popups/whatever stealing keyboard focus? :D |
| 22:14.08 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: I can't copy emphasizes but in the article there is one on "ANY game" |
| 22:14.12 | Stanzilla | maybe it was restricted to something |
| 22:14.18 | nevcairiel | maybe |
| 22:14.28 | nevcairiel | it definitely did it for wow |
| 22:14.44 | Gnarfoz | happily chatting away, suddenly something pops up, eats an "n" I was typing right at that moment, popup goes away - no clue what it was, gone too fast. certainly not a rare occurence :D |
| 22:15.35 | Gnarfoz | win+shift+s... meh |
| 22:15.43 | nevcairiel | just checked the settings, games is set to priority only |
| 22:15.51 | nevcairiel | but maybe they did somehow extend that to more games |
| 22:16.21 | Gnarfoz | long gone are the days of windows key being so underused that it could be considered prime hotkey estate |
| 22:16.44 | nevcairiel | win-shift-s is super useful |
| 22:16.48 | nevcairiel | but i always forget that it exists |
| 22:16.52 | Gnarfoz | never hear of it before clicking that link |
| 22:16.55 | Gnarfoz | +d |
| 22:16.58 | Stanzilla | probably was some directx vs opengl games thing? |
| 22:17.07 | Stanzilla | maybe they only supported directx and now everything |
| 22:17.09 | nevcairiel | whoever plays opengl games really |
| 22:17.29 | Stanzilla | a lot of people |
| 22:17.31 | Stanzilla | also vulkan |
| 22:17.38 | Gnarfoz | vulkan? so, 3 people and Funkeh? |
| 22:17.48 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:18.12 | Gnarfoz | how many opengl games do you have right now? isn't it deader than dead? |
| 22:18.14 | nevcairiel | freaking b.net client still crashes on driver upodates |
| 22:18.18 | Stanzilla | pretty sure more people played the new DOOM etc |
| 22:18.24 | nevcairiel | i know of one that i have, and that is doom |
| 22:18.24 | Gnarfoz | again? that was fixed for a while |
| 22:18.32 | Stanzilla | wolfenstein |
| 22:18.40 | nevcairiel | that is basically doom with nazis |
| 22:18.47 | nevcairiel | well unless you're german, then its what, aliens? |
| 22:18.51 | Stanzilla | dota2 has quite a few players as well :p |
| 22:19.03 | Gnarfoz | source2 is not d3d? |
| 22:19.21 | nevcairiel | dota2 runs by default in d3d11 on windows |
| 22:19.21 | Stanzilla | it has modes for everything |
| 22:19.25 | nevcairiel | but it can run on vulkan now |
| 22:19.51 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure plenty of those moba nerds switch to a different graphics API /s |
| 22:20.08 | Stanzilla | they actually do since every frame matters :p |
| 22:20.45 | Stanzilla | but I actually think I remember dx11 having the better numbers |
| 22:20.48 | Gnarfoz | inb4 server tick is 33 Hz |
| 22:20.52 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:21.13 | Stanzilla | there https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/5zzje0/render_performance_comparison/ |
| 22:21.16 | Gnarfoz | (hey Overwatch!) |
| 22:21.42 | nevcairiel | specifically on nvidia those new apis are all overrated |
| 22:21.53 | nevcairiel | and thats not because nvidias hardware is bad for them, as some might have you believe |
| 22:22.02 | nevcairiel | but because nvidias dx11 driver is really efficient |
| 22:22.06 | Stanzilla | programmers just not used to handling them properly yet? |
| 22:22.13 | nevcairiel | that probably too |
| 22:22.25 | Stanzilla | Rise of the Tomb Raider in DX12 had way worse perf than DX11 |
| 22:22.29 | Stanzilla | that was a great success |
| 22:23.26 | nevcairiel | AMD is quite on the opposite of the spectrum, their DX11 driver is incapable of fully using all the hardware resources they have, so a DX12/Vulkan game can theoretically use more resources if its designed properly - since there actually is some stuff left to use |
| 22:23.56 | nevcairiel | thats a lso why AMD pushed to hard with Mantle |
| 22:24.03 | nevcairiel | because they knew it, and apparently couldnt fix it |
| 22:24.57 | Stanzilla | was quite smart of them to donate mantle as well |
| 22:25.17 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I suspect the people who keep evangelizing for these new APIs are the kind who think that by doing so they're sticking it to "the man" (for which reason they perhaps also bought an AMD GPU, completing the circle :D) |
| 22:25.50 | Stanzilla | well in theory everything should be better on the new APIs but I guess that is a few years out |
| 22:25.51 | nevcairiel | DX12 has some other advantages, primarily it allows more multi-threading, which can help if you're cpu-bound |
| 22:26.06 | nevcairiel | but that often only shows on low resolutions |
| 22:26.12 | nevcairiel | or weak cpus |
| 22:26.18 | nevcairiel | so.. no gains for me most of time :p |
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| 22:26.27 | Gnarfoz | pfff I won't let my disdain for over-evangelists be stopped by facts |
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| 22:30.11 | Stanzilla | My healthy "i dont give a fuck" stance helps in most cases as well |
| 22:31.37 | Gnarfoz | I can't find out from consent.exe what the hell the program is that's causing it, can I? |
| 22:32.46 | Gnarfoz | parent: svchost |
| 22:32.58 | Gnarfoz | great, so it'll probably chain up to TrustedInstaller or some shit |
| 22:33.38 | Gnarfoz | "appinfo" wtf is that service |
| 22:34.21 | nevcairiel | since 1803 i have a bunch of weird services with non-descript names |
| 22:34.35 | znf | hots team blame me for trolling |
| 22:34.43 | nevcairiel | Contact Data_11fcd52 |
| 22:34.45 | znf | at the end of game, I had most XP, most siege, most hero damage |
| 22:34.46 | nevcairiel | wtf are you |
| 22:34.48 | znf | but yeah, sure, trolling |
| 22:34.49 | Gnarfoz | I'm still on 1709 |
| 22:35.03 | nevcairiel | CaptureService_11fcd52 |
| 22:35.05 | nevcairiel | another one |
| 22:35.34 | Gnarfoz | and it's the UAC prompt for "Exchange Active Sync Policy Manger Broker" and I still have no clue what that even is :D |
| 22:37.33 | Gnarfoz | answers.microsoft.com suggests turning off UAC, because, of course they do (useless site) |
| 22:38.24 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: I noticed that before that they keep adding random hashes (or whatever) to service names |
| 22:38.33 | Stanzilla | it happens when the registry already has one with the original name |
| 22:38.42 | nevcairiel | i did a fresh install |
| 22:38.44 | nevcairiel | so yeah |
| 22:38.56 | Stanzilla | but you installed the update |
| 22:39.00 | Stanzilla | the day 1 thing? no? |
| 22:39.06 | znf | HoTS should /really/ make an effort of NOT placing you with the same people you just played and lost in the next game |
| 22:39.09 | nevcairiel | dont think there was one |
| 22:39.21 | Stanzilla | are you on 17134.5? |
| 22:39.24 | nevcairiel | still on 17134.1 |
| 22:39.28 | nevcairiel | WU is not giving me shit |
| 22:39.30 | Stanzilla | well then |
| 22:39.34 | Stanzilla | fuck microsoft it is :D |
| 22:39.54 | Stanzilla | they already announced updates for next tuesday |
| 22:39.55 | Stanzilla | maybe then |
| 22:40.07 | Stanzilla | but that service name thing has been happening here for at least 2 major releases |
| 22:40.24 | nevcairiel | maybe i just never saw it |
| 22:40.47 | nevcairiel | also i couldnt find a microcode update for 1803 so i actually went to update my bios finally which incldues it |
| 22:40.48 | Stanzilla | probably |
| 22:40.54 | nevcairiel | screw them for making me not be lazy |
| 22:41.00 | Stanzilla | yeah there is no microcode update for it yet |
| 22:41.20 | znf | wtb bios update, too? |
| 22:41.46 | nevcairiel | presumably the bios update also came with rst 16.0 |
| 22:41.48 | nevcairiel | whatever that gets me |
| 22:42.12 | nevcairiel | probably optane nonsense |
| 22:42.15 | Stanzilla | a whole bucket of nothing |
| 22:43.00 | Stanzilla | meanwhile over here: https://i.imgur.com/qCt30YT.png *crickets* |
| 22:43.36 | nevcairiel | getting manufacturer bios update for Z77 is not going to happen |
| 22:43.48 | nevcairiel | but Microsoft might push those CPUs in their next update |
| 22:44.06 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 22:44.10 | znf | I think you can mod the bios and patch it tough? |
| 22:44.10 | nevcairiel | not that it really matters for home-use, but shrug |
| 22:48.33 | znf | Stanzilla, mod if yourself :P |
| 22:48.49 | Stanzilla | meh |
| 22:48.55 | Stanzilla | rather not brick my system |
| 22:52.33 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/application-management/per-user-services-in-windows I guess |
| 22:53.31 | Gnarfoz | https://www.pcgamer.com/if-you-use-twitter-you-should-change-your-password-right-away/ kek |
| 22:54.08 | Stanzilla | I really hate how they are blowing that twitter statement up |
| 22:54.11 | Stanzilla | literally nothing happened |
| 22:54.19 | Stanzilla | but I guess clicks $$$$ |
| 22:54.21 | nevcairiel | interestingly the same thing happend to github recently |
| 22:54.36 | Gnarfoz | yeah they should have just deleted the log and went on with life ^^ |
| 22:54.40 | nevcairiel | passwords in a log from when you changed them |
| 22:54.49 | nevcairiel | but only for a short period there |
| 22:58.40 | nevcairiel | I wonder if reading about the GitHub thing actually made some twitter dev go like "oh shit" and remember that its tlogging that :p |
| 22:59.12 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 22:59.20 | Gnarfoz | when was that for github? |
| 22:59.39 | nevcairiel | 2 days ago |
| 22:59.58 | nevcairiel | but only for people that recently changed their passwords |
| 23:00.07 | nevcairiel | everyone affected was emailed, apparently |
| 23:00.14 | Gnarfoz | oh, guess that's why I didn't hear of it |
| 23:00.32 | Gnarfoz | the twitter password change page is b0rked |
| 23:00.38 | Gnarfoz | can't type into the fields :D |
| 23:00.43 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:01.28 | Stanzilla | why are you even doing it |
| 23:02.03 | Gnarfoz | to protect from the evil twitter admin who copied this log to a flash drive months ago and will leak it some day |
| 23:02.14 | Gnarfoz | (:S) |
| 23:02.44 | Stanzilla | I see |
| 23:03.06 | Gnarfoz | actually, the "hey, these 10 apps have access to your account" hint after changing the password is more interesting |
| 23:03.55 | Gnarfoz | good bye Flickr, Tweet Lanes, Twitter Translation Center, Foursquare, WordPress.com (?!) |
| 23:04.33 | nevcairiel | heh i just deleted all i had in there as well |
| 23:05.10 | Gnarfoz | I mean, I intended to, but the site is dying |
| 23:05.22 | Gnarfoz | guess they get free hotspot debugging for their account management system from this |
| 23:05.35 | nevcairiel | was fine for me |
| 23:05.41 | nevcairiel | pw change worked, sites deleted |
| 23:05.55 | Gnarfoz | clicking "revoke access" just gives me the tumbler (no pun intended) |
| 23:08.56 | Gnarfoz | only .jp and .sg passports offer more visa-free/visa-on-arrival goodness than .de passorts, interesting. I wonder why that even is. |
| 23:09.04 | Gnarfoz | (.de being so high on that list, I mean) |
| 23:09.52 | nevcairiel | we're nice people |
| 23:10.19 | nevcairiel | and probably travel much for work |
| 23:10.45 | Gnarfoz | the latter makes sense |
| 23:11.03 | Gnarfoz | not sure if those lists include work visas, though |
| 23:11.16 | Gnarfoz | (guess they might not be necessary for every little consulting trip or whatever) |
| 23:11.52 | Gnarfoz | twitter offers a site that works without JS, I'm amazed |
| 23:13.46 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/kAMRdqZ.png |
| 23:13.47 | znf | scary |
| 23:15.39 | znf | What's the newest? https://i.imgur.com/qzvPHee.png |
| 23:18.57 | nevcairiel | 0x24 is the one with spectre fixes anyway |
| 23:19.02 | nevcairiel | may not be a newer one, not sure |
| 23:19.03 | znf | ah, neat |
| 23:19.13 | znf | says 2018-01-21 tough? |
| 23:19.24 | nevcairiel | so? |
| 23:19.28 | nevcairiel | thats in the spectre timeframe |
| 23:19.39 | Gnarfoz | that's correct for microcode updates from the first wave |
| 23:19.58 | znf | I was looking at http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/115781-intel-updates-spectre-fixes-haswell-broadwell/ |
| 23:20.02 | Gnarfoz | some were tested for those "instability concerns" and later re-released unchanged |
| 23:20.03 | znf | which was in... march? |
| 23:20.06 | znf | ah |
| 23:20.07 | znf | I see |
| 23:20.25 | znf | pft, I can also upgrade pxe, vbios etc. etc. |
| 23:20.31 | Gnarfoz | https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/04/microcode-update-guidance.pdf is Intel's own list |
| 23:20.35 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/rOdNKrJ.png |
| 23:20.50 | Gnarfoz | (which that article is quoting from anyway, so that adds nothing :D) |
| 23:21.14 | nevcairiel | haswell was one of those that didnt get a fixed revision |
| 23:21.18 | nevcairiel | first one was apparently fine |
| 23:22.41 | Stanzilla | znf: are you trying to manually update the microcode in the bios and then flash it? |
| 23:23.07 | znf | yeah, already did |
| 23:23.12 | znf | except the flash |
| 23:27.14 | Stanzilla | can it dump your current bios to a file? |
| 23:28.30 | znf | no, why would it? |
| 23:28.37 | znf | get the latest from your manufacturer |
| 23:28.49 | Stanzilla | I think my current one is already modded |
| 23:33.29 | znf | oh |
| 23:33.31 | znf | with? |
| 23:33.57 | nevcairiel | jam-packed goodness |
| 23:34.20 | Stanzilla | I think it was a different sata thing because that was buggy in the original one |
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| 23:37.28 | znf | patched/fixed sata thingie or just updated? |
| 23:37.49 | Stanzilla | updated |
| 23:38.18 | znf | then it's fine, you can update it :P |
| 23:38.49 | Stanzilla | I dont know which version I updated it to :D |
| 23:38.55 | Stanzilla | that was like 5y ago |
| 23:39.17 | znf | this is my updated one: https://i.imgur.com/YOQNEE3.png |
| 23:40.02 | znf | this is the original one: https://i.imgur.com/fmNBjES.png |
| 23:40.33 | znf | somehow the lan orom thingie got... swapped around? :D |
| 23:41.02 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/64sd6kr.png |
| 23:41.59 | znf | and my default microcode is https://i.imgur.com/7tca04z.png |
| 23:42.18 | znf | I guess it's normal that it has multiple microcode versions? |
| 23:43.52 | Stanzilla | it's aperantly hard to find something to dump your bios |
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