IRC log for #wowhead on 20070814

00:00.34TecnoBrat"Slam"
00:00.37TecnoBratthat works :)
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00:01.05pescadorevening
00:02.42Raws'lo :)
00:02.42rayfordAfternoon.
00:03.13TecnoBratrayford, suggestion on your ogri'la article
00:03.20TecnoBratuse [item=ITEMID]
00:03.23TecnoBratfor the shards
00:03.25rayfordJust did.  : P
00:03.27TecnoBratcool
00:03.27rayfordRefresh it.
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00:03.58TecnoBrat:)
00:04.21rayfordSko yelled at me.  I wanna prevent that from happening again.  >.>
00:05.28pescadorafternoon?
00:05.30pescadorwhere?
00:06.04TecnoBrathaha
00:06.08TecnoBratrayford, just so you know
00:06.14TecnoBratSkosiris is definately a perfectionist
00:06.23TecnoBratyou will finish an article, you will get msgs from him
00:06.37TecnoBratdoesn't matter how much you look at it .. he will find something
00:06.46T-MetalAnd he also either plays a lot of WoW while he's talking to you (general) or he just tends to ignore you.
00:07.42rayfordHahaha.
00:07.51winkillerwhat articles?
00:08.09rayfordJust finished editing the Ogri'la article.
00:08.25winkilleron wowwiki?
00:08.45Skosirisawesome
00:08.48rayfordwowhead.com
00:08.48winkilleror are they pulled and then edited?
00:08.56Skosiriswinkiller: http://www.wowhead.com/?faction=1038
00:09.00winkillerhttp://www.wowhead.com/?faction=1038 or did I miss
00:09.08Skosirisyes, pulled from Wowwiki, but then improved & polished
00:09.13winkillerah ok
00:09.24Skosirispossibly simplified too
00:09.28winkilleroh shit
00:09.33Skosiriswe don't include all the information wowwiki has
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00:09.38winkillerI forgot to try to reproduce the konqui-ad-bug today
00:10.44TecnoBratI still remember when my raid was arguing with me
00:10.50TecnoBraton what side Void Reaver was on
00:10.58TecnoBratsomeone says "NOOO WOWHEAD SAYS HES ON THE RIGHT"
00:11.05TecnoBratI quickly go and edit it
00:11.07Miyarileft?
00:11.13Miyarioh lol
00:11.18TecnoBrat"No, you are on drugs, hes on the left, wowhead says the left"
00:11.29TecnoBrathe argued with me for 10 mins before I told him I edited it
00:11.34TecnoBrathes like "Oh, you can do that?"
00:11.51Miyarihaha
00:11.59rayfordHaha.
00:12.05winkillerlol
00:12.08winkilleryou are mean
00:12.11Miyariwhen i grow up i want a special job at wowhead
00:12.18Miyarisomething that only i can do but nobody else would want to do anyway
00:12.36TecnoBratMiyari, thats basically what an editor is like :P
00:12.42T-MetalSkosiris: Do you ever read my messages anymore?
00:12.46TecnoBratNow I need a mage name!
00:12.57T-MetalUse my mage's name!
00:13.01T-MetalMajid <-- FTW
00:13.03Miyariwhat race is it
00:13.08TecnoBratTroll
00:13.10MiyariMagikoopa
00:13.15TecnoBratI used to be named "Majick"
00:13.19TecnoBratbut thats taken
00:13.23Miyari:(
00:13.32rayfordBrb.
00:13.46rayfordTechno:  Call him Rikitikitembo.
00:14.02TecnoBratlol
00:14.21T-MetalTecnoBrat: I PM'd you. =P
00:17.48Sky2042_tecnobrat: what's your favorite word
00:17.50Sky2042_?
00:18.22TecnoBratI might get in trouble for saying it here!
00:18.25TecnoBratlol j/k
00:18.32Sky2042_bah
00:18.34Sky2042_what is it?
00:18.38TecnoBratno idea
00:18.59Sky2042_bah, ok, random word off the top of your head
00:20.35TecnoBratlol why?
00:32.55TecnoBrathaha following my trend of "Slam" for my warrior, I should name my mage "Invisible
00:33.47rayfordHahaha.  That'd be great.
00:34.25TecnoBratdone :P
00:34.51rayfordSolid work.  : P
00:39.13TecnoBratSkosiris, are ads with sound allowed?
00:39.28rayfordSee ya kids.
00:39.34TecnoBratlater rayford
00:40.51SkosirisTecnoBrat: nope
00:42.04TecnoBratI'll get you a screenshot, I got my guildmate getting it
00:42.14TecnoBratHes the dumbest person alive
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00:42.46TecnoBratof course, I'm also in canada, so I can't see it
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00:52.27TecnoBrathttp://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soundbanneradvu1.gif
00:52.36TecnoBrat-17:52:25- (@Astrocreep) it's not as bad as the "Congratulations, you've just won 2 free apple ipods"
00:52.36TecnoBrat-17:52:55- (@Astrocreep) but it's a *woooosh!* *wooooosh!* *ca-ching*
00:53.27Gwaihir_Uhm, i know this might not be the right place to ask but anyways, does anyone know of a list of all loot that dropps of raid bosses, kinda like when you browse boss loot tables at wowhead, only in plain text?
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01:11.27TecnoBrathahaha
01:11.27TecnoBratMalgayne <Voice of the Wowhead>
01:11.53TecnoBratSkosiris <"Undocumented Feature" Author>
01:12.17TecnoBratwhen did you add those
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01:15.42Skosiristhis afternoon
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01:20.43TheOnyxTecnoBrat: the wowhead employees and mods got them
01:24.53Kirkburnzomg, I finally added a profile description
01:27.31Miyaribeepbeep
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01:32.55gamemaniachello all
01:35.26KirkburnNow, do I get a title? ;)
01:35.28Kirkburnhehehe
01:35.57Kirkburn"A self-hating bureaucrat"
01:37.06Kirkburn(since I hate bureaucracy ... not myself!)
01:37.15KirkburnPerhaps a little obscure ...
01:37.49KirkburnSmoooooth dude
01:37.57MiyariLOL
01:37.57Kirkburn(sky will get that)
01:38.10Miyarisomeone just sent in a gm ticket to complain about the graphic of the t6 helm
01:38.17Miyariand the gm she's talking to tells her that there is no t6 helm in the game ...
01:38.49winkillerlol
01:39.07winkiller3:38 am.. time for sleep. good night
01:39.21Skosirisgnight win
01:39.41Miyariso she links the helm
01:39.45Miyariand he tells her that it is t5
01:40.09Adys404 screenshots sent today
01:40.11Adyshelp plx
01:40.41Kirkburn404?
01:40.45Adyslol
01:40.46Miyarii wanna help!
01:41.32Miyarigimme something to do tk is boring
01:42.26TheOnyxI probably did 5-10% of those.
01:43.31TheOnyxhrrmm
01:43.44TheOnyxDrCheis likes to have NPCs targeted in his shots :(
01:45.05TheOnyxAdys: Skosiris: Submitting a screenshot to one rank of a spell doesn't apply it to the rest of them?
01:45.39T-MetalDidn't we talk about that yesterday?
01:46.00TheOnyxT-Metal: Heck if I know, and if we did, I obviously wasn't here at the time. :P
01:46.30T-MetalLol, fair enough. =D
01:50.07Adysit doesnt indeed
01:51.02TheOnyxhrrmm
01:51.07TheOnyxthat's kind of lame
01:51.31TheOnyxalthough probably not easy to implement
01:51.32TheOnyxhrrmm
01:51.49TheOnyxI really dont want to submit more shots for the same totem spell at different ranks
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02:03.13Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&1.6499#30218
02:03.31Losnarhaha
02:03.35TheOnyxwow
02:04.28Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&7.2257#14680 !
02:04.46TheOnyxNice!
02:04.51TheOnyxGo Tim!
02:08.12TheOnyxhttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=30060#comments:id=137415
02:08.17TheOnyx<3 the users
02:20.56RawsI just realized how therapeutic trashing Mac users is
02:21.00RawsMac users are commies
02:21.10Rawsleft-wing bastards, the lot of them
02:21.22fireglowgo on
02:21.25fireglowlet it out :>
02:21.43Rawshaving been a Mac user since I got my first Mac SE, I have never ventured into this territory
02:22.04Rawsfruity twats with their bubbly operating system!
02:22.13fireglowmore
02:22.51Rawswaffle-brains
02:23.05Rawselitist puke-worthy boarpigs
02:23.19TheOnyxyou are +70!
02:23.31TheOnyxyou're beating reec e;0
02:24.34Rawshalf of a cockweasel could beat your average Mac user in a race to find out what RAM timings mean
02:25.12RawsMac users are whorish voluntary servants to the salacious desires of their tainted idol Steve Jobs
02:25.19Rawsthis is awesome
02:26.05skizmthat guy was saying edgewalker longboots have a terrible drop rate and i agree because i had been to like 20 moroes kills and never saw those drop
02:26.28ThraeRe: Macs -- Jigoku Shoujo, or "Hell Girl" is a manga about this website where one can ask the "Hell Girl" to take their object of revenge down to hell, in return for going to hell themselves when the they die. In the anime, the Hell Girl receives the requests on a computer that looks exactly like a Mac Classic.
02:26.32skizmmaybe that isn't the post you were trying to show but i didn't get it then ;/
02:27.27skizmraws are you crazy
02:27.29skizm:|
02:28.02RawsBecause I'm a Mac user
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02:37.46Adysman
02:37.50Adystalk about quality shots
02:37.52Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&1.18132#32135
02:38.03TheOnyxNorrec rocks.
02:38.15TheOnyxNorrec <PrintScreen All-Star>
02:38.17Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/images/screenshots/32135.jpg
02:38.20TheOnyxA well-deserved title!
02:39.36Rawsmein gott, 400 screenshots
02:42.14AdysThis user has submitted a total of 1741 screenshots.
02:42.23Raws:-|
02:42.57Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?user=phaydre#screenshots :)
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02:43.37RawsThat is frightening, to say the least
02:44.13Adysright
02:44.24Adyswhere can i elect the "best screenshots of mobs, ever"
02:44.30Adysbecause http://www.wowhead.com/images/screenshots/32135.jpg is really creepy
02:44.50Rawslol
02:45.10KirkburnI should ask, what's the situation with WoWWiki being able to use Wowhead screenshots?
02:45.29KirkburnCause I would suggest something like that for Featured Media
02:45.35KirkburnDespite your misgivings, Adys :P
02:45.52Adysfeatured media can stay if it has content lol
02:46.08Adyssko's afk atm
02:46.09KirkburnI need image suggestions so it can be a daily thing'
02:46.23Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/images/screenshots/32135.jpg here you go, it can stay a year for all i care :P
02:46.32Kirkburn:(
02:46.37Adysno?
02:46.43Adyscandidate for all time best one
02:46.50Adysand no its not one from me
02:47.00KirkburnIt is an awesome screenshot, I agree
02:47.10RawsPosh, it doesn't match http://ross.fappett.com/wow/steppes_impaled_orc.jpg
02:47.25KirkburnI was just expressed my :( opinion that you smell
02:47.35Kirkburnlol
02:47.47Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/images/screenshots/31997.jpg <cheer>
02:47.54Rawslol
02:48.34Adysanyhow
02:48.36Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&1.13321#24114 > *
02:48.36RawsOh man, I forgot about this http://users.4x4wh.com/ross/wow/av_surrounded.jpg
02:48.48RawsThat is the best screenshot ever, Adys
02:48.50Adyslol
02:49.21Adysmy ui the day of patch 2.0.1
02:49.26Adysserver went up at 18.00
02:49.35Adyswe had to go to raid naxx the very hour
02:49.36Adyshttp://adys.stools.net/random/welcomeinbc.jpg
02:49.50Raws:|
02:49.53KirkburnWell at least CF worked ;)
02:50.11KalrothAdys: haha
02:50.28Adyshttp://adys.stools.net/random/season2carnage.jpg
02:50.46Rawslmao
02:51.09Adysoh yeah that too in wsg http://adys.stools.net/random/ohshit.jpg
02:51.12`-`haha wtf?
02:51.47KalrothAdys: choo choo
02:51.54Adyshahah
02:52.00Adyshttp://adys.stools.net/random/lootisrandom.jpg
02:52.02Adyspre bc memories
02:52.24Kalrothfucking warlock loot :p
02:52.29Rawsblol
02:52.30Adyslmao
02:52.51KalrothAt least druid loot was somewhat useful ;P
02:52.59Adyshttp://adys.stools.net/random/hybrids.jpg
02:53.01Adysfor paladins
02:53.24TheOnyxhaha
02:53.32Losnarhaha sweet
02:53.39Adysand that was the awesomeness of bwl during the lag days http://adys.stools.net/random/howsyourlag.jpg
02:53.49RawsBwahaha
02:53.56Kalrothoh yeah
02:53.58KalrothI remember that
02:54.07KalrothGod our instance servers was shit back then
02:54.15Adysi wonder how i didnt dc
02:54.25Adysi was seeing all the guild going wtf except myself
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02:55.49AdysAQ40 during the betatests http://adys.stools.net/random/aqwtf.jpg
02:56.03RawsAwe + some
02:56.24Adysoh yeah and when i got bored of wow
02:56.27Cyranumehlol nice
02:56.29Adys"trying out" worms 4
02:56.35Adyshttp://adys.stools.net/random/licenselol.gif http://adys.stools.net/random/features.gif
02:58.04Rawslol
02:58.09Adysaw man, the red circle totally spoils this one http://www.wowhead.com/images/screenshots/pending/32158.jpg
02:58.33RawsVicious
02:58.43RawsWeee http://ross.fappett.com/wow/gryphons.jpg
02:58.58RawsTeh wingmens
02:59.21Adysaw the pre BC weekly MC pugs
02:59.22Adyshttp://adys.stools.net/random/lastmcpug.jpg
02:59.34RawsHaha
03:01.01RawsThis was epic: http://ross.fappett.com/wow/bb_flood.jpg
03:01.22AdysLooks cool :P
03:01.36RawsYeah, it rained for a few minutes too long
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03:01.53Adyshttp://adys.stools.net/random/fireball.mp3
03:01.58Adysslanik ftw
03:03.41Rawslol
03:04.20KirkburnYay! Karl Rove is leaving the White House!
03:05.01Rawso_O
03:05.12Kirkburnhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6944781.stm
03:05.14KirkburnSkosiris, yo
03:05.45RawsHeh, I remember this http://ross.fappett.com/wow/orc_fishing_in_stormwind.jpg
03:06.07RawsI tried to keep people from killing him, he was only in his 20s or something
03:06.10KirkburnI like the mounted guy just watching him
03:06.19RawsBut the dude on the bridge ran over and pooped on him
03:06.27Kirkburn:(
03:07.05SkosirisHi, Kirkburn
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03:08.27Cyranumehlol orc
03:08.36Cyranumehnice screenshots ya got
03:08.42RawsIn my pants
03:08.53Cyranumehyes
03:11.22`-`i used to do that with my troll hunter
03:11.30`-`if u fished from the boats under the bridge
03:11.33`-`it's pretty safe there
03:11.55`-`only once a low lv mage tried to kill me with fireballs
03:12.08`-`i shot her down a couple times then she gave up
03:12.38Cyranumehmeh, i enjoyed screwing around in SW with my druid
03:12.52Cyranumehalong with my rogue friend
03:13.30`-`i've rerolled to alliance then...
03:13.40`-`left the raiding scene
03:13.51`-`like is simpler now :3
03:14.10`-`and oh, it's nice to have to fight to win in BGs haha
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03:33.21TheOnyxO_o
03:33.21TheOnyxo_O
03:33.25Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?user=Pasen#screenshots this guy has some very good screenshots
03:34.02TheOnyxIndeed he does.
03:35.09TheOnyxSkosiris Skosiris Skosiris
03:35.18AdysTheOnyx TheOnyx TheOnyx
03:35.53TheOnyxHe tried to get my attention when I was AFk then went AFk when I got back :(
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03:36.45Rawsg'night ladies and infobot :)
03:36.53Adysnn
03:36.58Adysbrb
03:37.04Djjinhmm
03:37.14Djjindid i just miss singles hour?
03:37.21Rawsaye
03:37.26RawsI'll post pics tomorrow
03:37.34DjjinWOOT
03:37.38Djjinpictures
03:37.43RawsMuch nekkeds
03:39.36SkosirisGet ready for a debate in a few minutes
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03:48.03PiratRafflol im trying to make my way from the barens to darkshore, moonglade and the islands, easier said than done since im lvl 13
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03:56.26AdysTheOnyx: awwww you gonna make me delete the first screenshot on wowhead
03:56.52Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&3.19323#2
03:57.29TheOnyxAdys: Well, mine is better :)
03:57.31Skosirisscreenshot #2  :O
03:57.43Adysfirst one had to be a test screenshot sko.
03:57.43TheOnyxArchive it for historical purposes!
03:57.49Adysya ya ya i keep it
03:58.03Skosirisaight let's do this debate
03:58.34SkosirisI would like to hear your thoughts on this :D
03:58.50AdysTell me when you're ready for my rant sko
03:59.43CrevoxI prefer without it
04:00.09Skosirissample reputation amount:  http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Adys
04:00.22Skosiristhe progress bar would be a nifty way to display the value
04:01.20LosnarI like the <3 <3 <3 for Exalted
04:01.24TheOnyxMost of my thoughts are on the test link, so I'll wait to hear what others have to contribute.
04:01.35Adysnot that i really like the "reputation" system by itself
04:01.41Adysbut its no real threat by itself
04:02.34Adysoverall as i told sko its no real use for the end user, and the more you give the more you'll get kids competing beetween eachother spamming screenshots/comments to try and get higher rep, it can have advantages but it also has a lot of inconvenients
04:03.02CrevoxAdys: I agree, I don't see much reason to put it in though
04:03.14LosnarIt is a novel idea but as Adys has said not really of much use to the end user, usless there are other plans for this yet to come
04:03.46`-`leave the kids out :3
04:04.03AdysIm not that old either :P
04:05.00TheOnyxIt started out as more or less a way to see how someone contributes to the site overall. User comments are one good way, but the reputation would be, in theory, a more factual way to identify if a particular user is a positive contributer. There's a lot of things that COULD be done with it, but for now it started as more or less what I just said
04:05.31SkosirisI've always wanted to add a sum of all the ratings a user's comments have received, so we can quickly tell what kind of user I am looking at. The progress bars w/ rep would only be a better way to display the value
04:05.42TheOnyxI mean, I could post a comment saying Skosiris was the best dude ever, but that's just one opinion.
04:05.48LosnarI think it would warrant at least a small trial period to see how the community takes to it
04:06.14AdysThe community cant really technically say a lot of things outside of this irc chan :P
04:06.28DjjintheOnyx: not just your opinion but prob a -rating :P
04:06.33T-MetalI've seen the karma idea implemented on other sites and I have never noticed any spam on those sites (at least not an inrease).
04:06.34Losnaryes but you can see how much they abuse it
04:06.36TheOnyxRight... but the conversation started with the idea of allowing comments on a per-user basis.
04:06.41SkosirisAdys: they can, through the feedback email
04:06.53TheOnyxLike, I coudl go to Skosiris' profile and say "dude rocks"
04:06.58AdysMeh :P
04:07.04Adysdoes the end user really need, or want to know what kind of user you're looking at? not really - mods do, proposed having it in ?mod
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04:07.14Djjincould you add a min message lenght?
04:07.21Adystheres already one
04:07.25Kirkburnomg debate
04:07.28Adysits not that long
04:07.42TheOnyxAdys: Right... at the minimum, it's useful to mods and admins
04:07.49Adysya i agree with that
04:07.54PiratRaffhow can i get to darkshore without crossing all the high lvl places?
04:07.55TheOnyxFor end-users, it's more a neat statistic
04:07.59TheOnyxliek the IRC statistics
04:08.02Adyspiratraff: wetlands boat
04:08.03Djjinand magical genies of death and dismay?
04:08.21SkosirisWhile I can understand this being more useful to mods/admins, it's still a fun thing for users to play with
04:08.27TheOnyxI agree.
04:08.30PiratRaffwetlands?
04:08.31Adysnot really
04:08.33CrevoxPlay with how?
04:08.33KirkburnYou can always take it out again if it doesn't work
04:08.39CrevoxThey just post comments and it goes up or down
04:08.39TheOnyxI mean, it's not useful, but it doesn't have to be, really.
04:08.46TheOnyxAt least ofr end-users
04:08.52TheOnyxof they don't like it, we can make it mod-only
04:09.01Skosirisand it's not like it would take weeks to implement, minutes would do ;)
04:09.03PiratRaffis wetland a place?
04:09.04TheOnyxbut I think little things like this are what set wowhead apart from alternatives
04:09.07KirkburnA related note - profile avatars?!
04:09.15AdysKirkburn: i asked for that :P
04:09.25Adys(two months ago <grin>)
04:09.25Kalrothlol
04:09.33SkosirisAdys: you did? :O
04:09.43Adysyes I did my dear :P
04:09.45Skosirislol
04:09.50KalrothDon't trust Adys, Skosiris!
04:09.52AdysSend screenshots to your own profile
04:09.57Djjinlol
04:09.59*** kick/#wowhead [Kalroth!i=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-91-11.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] by Adys (rawr)
04:10.03*** join/#wowhead Kalroth (n=kalroth@port114.ds1-hj.adsl.cybercity.dk)
04:10.04Djjinouch
04:10.05Kalroth:(
04:10.16KalrothYou're the meanest frenchy evar!
04:10.32SkosirisKalroth: Please elaborate ;)
04:10.45PiratRaffAdys
04:10.59KalrothSkosiris: The trust part or the mean frenchy part?
04:11.09Crevoxmost of the people don't even rate up/down comments
04:11.11Skosiristrust
04:11.13Kalroth(They go hand in hand with each other!)
04:11.27KalrothWell Adys plays alliance.
04:11.29SkosirisCrevox: well, now they would have an extra reason to rate them ;)
04:11.30KalrothThere, I said it.
04:11.32Crevoxthen we'll get people down rating good comments for a reason
04:11.36KalrothSorry Adys!
04:11.39Crevoxlike, they don't like the purpose
04:11.43Crevoxer
04:11.44Crevoxperson
04:11.44Adyssweetie, add "Adysismyalt" to your friendlist
04:11.48Adysyou'll see
04:11.53KalrothHrmm
04:11.56KalrothI don't trust you!
04:12.09KalrothD'oh
04:12.14Adyssee?
04:12.14TheOnyxCrevox: another item i proposed to Skosiris was having your modifications to other user's comments incirporate in some way
04:12.22TheOnyxthat gets a bt more complex, but can be done
04:12.33TheOnyxin any case, there is a risk of abuse, but that risk exists as it is
04:12.40KalrothAdys: I bet that's just a spy, to infiltrate the horde community and wreak havoc upon unsuspecting hordes.
04:12.41Adysthat applies to moderators only TheOnyx you realize that?
04:12.44CrevoxPeople can easily make user accounts and down rate everybody
04:12.56PiratRaffAdys: is wetland a place?
04:13.02Skosiriswe can always rework the formula in the future should hte need arise
04:13.14AdysPiratRaff: its a zone
04:13.27AdysSkosiris: heres my proposal
04:13.28PiratRaffhorde?
04:13.31KirkburnSystemitcally rating down other people is way way too time consuming
04:13.34Adyskeep it exactly as it is right now
04:13.35AdysPiratRaff: no
04:13.37Adysalliance
04:13.44PiratRaffthen it dont help me:P
04:13.45KalrothAdys is a dirty alliance :(
04:13.52KirkburnMmm, Alliance
04:14.03KirkburnDirty server-jumping Alliance :(
04:14.06KalrothEs tu brutus?!
04:14.11Adyslol
04:14.23Adys6 servers with a char above 25 now!
04:14.44Skosirisdays <--> Adys
04:14.50Adyskick kick
04:15.18Adysanyhow, my proposal is "keep it as it is, right now, at this very moment and dont change it"
04:15.23Adysand add stats to ?mod=
04:15.34PiratRaffdang, this be hard, i could always try to swin but that would be shitty
04:15.51AdysPiratRaff: where are you, what level, and where do you want to go?
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04:16.36PiratRaffim in the crossroads now, bronzebeard, lvl 13, wanna go to darkshore
04:16.54Adyserr, you could go through ashenvale but thats alot of deaths
04:17.14Adysdarkshore is an alliance place
04:17.31PiratRaffSo i cant go there?
04:17.39Adysyou can but it wont be easy
04:17.51Adysanyhow, you can go through ashenvale, thats likely gonna be the easiest way
04:17.57KalrothYou can, but there isn't much point to it really, there aren't any quests there.
04:17.58KirkburnI dislike Adys proposal and question his stature
04:17.58PiratRaffi can do quest there? no?
04:18.02PiratRaffah
04:18.21PiratRaffi just saw it was really low lvl and tought hey easy xp
04:18.21KirkburnI like Skosiris' proposal and admire his flowers
04:18.26KalrothAlso there's *shudders* Night Elves there :(
04:18.34CrevoxI agree with Adys
04:18.58KalrothI agree with Kirkburn
04:19.07Adysand im the op here
04:19.11Adyskirk is only +v
04:19.13KirkburnI agree with Kirkburn
04:19.19mystadioPiratRaff: take a look at this list: http://www.wowhead.com/?zones#0+2+1
04:19.28PiratRaffAzerusmyst isle and teldrassil also alliance?
04:19.29KalrothAdys: You're not playing fair :(
04:19.32KirkburnI agree with Kalroth
04:19.43*** mode/#wowhead [-v Kirkburn] by Adys
04:19.47KalrothAw!
04:19.54KalrothKirkburned
04:19.55Kirkburn:*(
04:19.55PiratRaffwhat does the word contested mean
04:20.06Adysits both horde and alliance basically
04:20.08T-MetalPVP
04:20.09T-Metal=P
04:20.10KirkburnIt means Adys was mean to it
04:20.12KalrothPiratRaff: That the area is controlled by noone
04:20.15SkosirisAight, it's pretty much 50/50... or maybe 51 for 49 against   so I'm going to give it a try and we will see how it goes :D
04:20.24Kirkburnlulz
04:20.26KalrothKirkburn: I told you, he's a meanie.
04:20.34AdysSko what about the rep bar, do we keep it or :P
04:20.42Adysi dont really like it
04:20.55Adysi'd like to hear others opinions too
04:21.01*** mode/#wowhead [+v Kirkburn] by Adys
04:21.02Skosiris-> keep the rep bar, create a new ?mod page to tracks several thigns
04:21.14Crevoxinteresting how if you deleted a comment, the +rep still shows up on your profile
04:21.17TheOnyxI like it, but I have vested interest in the ides.
04:21.30TheOnyxSkosiris: I meant to mention that
04:21.35PiratRaffmaybe i should take the flying ship thingy to the other place and see whats fun to do there
04:21.35SkosirisCrevox: deleted comments could be removed from the sum
04:21.36TheOnyxdeleted comments still count to rep
04:21.39TheOnyxnod
04:21.47TheOnyxSkosiris: I think deleted should not count
04:22.00Adysya but thats details
04:22.04TheOnyxnod
04:22.10KirkburnNegative ratings are awesome
04:22.20TheOnyxwe had one user with -800
04:22.20KirkburnCan we have factions?
04:22.24Skosirisraise your hand if you find the rep bar funky
04:22.25KirkburnItem faction!
04:22.44KirkburnNPC faction!
04:22.50Adysyea junk factions
04:22.51TheOnyxkickburn: one sugestions was a faction for each type... comments, screenshots, uploads... again, though, details
04:22.53Adysnow we talking
04:22.57TheOnyxwe're more discussing general idea
04:23.02KirkburnI want high rep with your junk
04:23.07Adyshaha
04:23.28KirkburnMy name ain't Kickburn ><
04:23.29AdysTheOnyx: ill be honest, i hate when stuff like that is added to websites in general and im not the only one
04:23.44CrevoxI agree with Adys, I like wowhead because it's simple
04:23.47AdysLook at curse.com
04:23.51Kalrothhahah
04:23.58Skosiristhe rep bar in the QF box would be an overall reputation, but we could add the detailed factions in some tab on user pages
04:24.19KalrothKirkburn: It does sound cooler though
04:24.28TheOnyxI don't think it's that large a feature to have to worry about feature bloat
04:24.32KirkburnNot true :(
04:24.38AdysTheOnyx: thats where you're wrong
04:24.42CrevoxWithout the bar, it's fine
04:24.45KirkburnKirkburn is so much more the awesome
04:24.46Crevoxthat little reputation +6 thing
04:24.52KalrothKirkburn sounds like you're a Star Trek nerd, Kickburn would make you a super elite motorcycle rider
04:24.53Adysya what crevox said
04:24.59CrevoxIt's just a small little addition, a little statistic
04:25.01Kirkburnbah humbug
04:25.02AdysKalroth: lmao
04:25.08Crevoxdon't need to go overboard with it :|
04:25.11KirkburnIt's so sexy though
04:25.14Adysit might be simple to code but the more you add to it the worse it gets
04:25.14TheOnyxthere's little difference between the two, really... just different ways to show the same data
04:25.21KalrothKirkburn: Star Trek is?
04:25.22TecnoBratOkay I'm too lazy to scroll
04:25.27TecnoBratcan someone give me a overview?
04:25.31SkosirisTheOnyx is right
04:25.32TecnoBratwhat are you discussing
04:25.32CrevoxIt's complicated as well
04:25.39TheOnyxTecnoBrat: http://www.wowhead.com/test.html
04:25.42AdysTecnoBrat: http://www.wowhead.com/test.html
04:25.43Crevoxright now we can just see "oh +6 oh -5"
04:25.43Skosirisit's not complicated :P
04:26.00Skosiristhe rep bar is just a visual representation of the "+6" :)
04:26.05TheOnyxExactly.
04:26.07Crevox:|
04:26.07Skosirissimple & neat
04:26.17Adysand why's it better than plain text?
04:26.28TheOnyxBecause some people like screenshots
04:26.28TheOnyxer
04:26.29TheOnyxpictures
04:26.36Skosirisbecause it might also encourages phaydre and norrec to submit more screenshots,
04:26.36TheOnyxO_o
04:26.40TecnoBratwow, I really really really like that idea
04:26.47TecnoBratoh, really
04:27.15TecnoBratwhat is this ?mod I hear about?
04:27.21TecnoBratI probably dont have access to it
04:27.23Adysmoderator page
04:27.26Adysits not up yet
04:27.29SkosirisTecnoBrat: ?mod would be a a page for mods to track thigns
04:27.31TheOnyxunder dev
04:27.36TheOnyxO_o
04:27.36TecnoBratahh okay
04:27.41TheOnyxMystery Feature #2
04:27.41TheOnyxnods
04:27.44TheOnyx;)
04:27.44Adyslol
04:27.44TecnoBratI'm just a lonely editor :P
04:27.54Skosirislol
04:27.58KirkburnWait, what? I was discussing TecnoBrat's mom, not this weird rep thing
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04:28.12Kirkburn=(
04:28.23Adys:/
04:28.24TecnoBratSkosiris, the numbers make sense also
04:28.28TecnoBratfrom the list you sent earlier
04:28.41TecnoBratonly 1 would be hated
04:28.52Skosirishell yeah, and we will be able to monitor this closely though the ?mod page  (top 100, bottom 100)
04:28.57TecnoBratKirkburn, my mom is hella hot
04:29.00TheOnyxnod
04:29.01TecnoBratyou should of been talking about her
04:29.06Skosirisbanned users -> automatically hated
04:29.18TecnoBratso what was the decision you were trying to make?
04:29.23Adysrep is not needed on banned users lol
04:29.26KirkburnSo to summarise, everyone loves the rep bars, tecnobrat's mom is hawt, and anyone who says otherwise is a liberal.
04:29.27Skosirislol
04:29.34Adysthey are already banned, no need to keep track of what they do
04:30.02TecnoBratAdys, I think its just a flag .. banned, set the bar to hated, not banned, use normal rep
04:30.03Adysbanned users should get their deleted comments hidden too
04:30.07TecnoBratat least thats what I'd do
04:30.26TheOnyxagreed
04:30.34Adysok hold on a sec
04:30.42TheOnyxbanned user == hidden comments
04:30.49Adysput yourself into the skin of a regular wowhead user, not even registered with the website
04:30.54TecnoBratI wouldn't actually change their rep .. I'd just make it look like it
04:31.05Adysya but that doesnt matter anyway its details
04:31.13SkosirisAdys: go on
04:31.31Adysgive an overlook to the feature from the point of view of someone who only visits the website to get data
04:31.47TecnoBratI have never understood this : Data uploads: 105 / 8.5 MB
04:31.48TheOnyxAdys: They'd probably never see it.
04:31.52Adysthe website is used because its simple, and btw thats the other reason why thottbot is so much better than allakhazam
04:31.56TecnoBrathow to you upload 105 out of 8.5 mb?
04:32.01SkosirisAdys: this is more of a fun feature, and for those who care
04:32.05Skosirislol
04:32.06TheOnyxTecnoBrat: They uploaded 105 times for a total of 8.5 MB
04:32.10TecnoBratoh
04:32.17Skosirisany suggestion to make this more obvious?
04:32.26Adyslol DONT make it more obvious
04:32.27Skosirisusing only 1 line
04:32.36Adysah wait the uploaded data?
04:32.36TheOnyxno, the uploads thing
04:32.40Adysmake it on mouseover
04:32.43Adyslike AH prices etc
04:32.47TheOnyxnod
04:32.48TheOnyx^
04:32.49Skosirisk
04:32.53Adys105 total uploads
04:32.58Adyssomething like that
04:33.12Adysor something like Total uploads: 105 (8.5mb)
04:33.23Skosirisso again, thye rep bars will initially be more of a fun feature, and only those who care will notice them
04:33.23TheOnyxAdys: I don't think the rep would hinder someone here for the data... they'd likely never see a profile page
04:33.33TecnoBratI like that
04:33.40TecnoBrat105 (8.5mb)
04:33.46TecnoBratsorry, it just looked odd to me
04:33.48TecnoBratand I was confused
04:33.50TheOnyxAdys: those involved in the comunity who are interested in profiles and the like... well, they'd see it in profiles
04:33.54Adysill give you the rep bar only if you dont ever expand the feature :P
04:33.56DuTempeteok, I'm coming in late, I know... but what rep are you talking about?
04:34.03Adyshi dear
04:34.07DuTempetehi babe
04:34.08Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/test.html
04:34.11TheOnyxAdys: I don't think it'll go much beyond what it is
04:34.20TecnoBratAdys, what are you afraid of?
04:34.23TheOnyxAdys: aside from calculation modifications
04:34.30Adysomg stop pinging me im here
04:34.36DuTempetehehe
04:34.40DuTempeteI hate that ;)
04:34.43TecnoBratI'm just addressing you :P
04:34.44TheOnyxthe output would more or less be that bar in the profile and the mod page
04:34.45Adystheres a loud double BEEP every ping
04:34.51Adysmy neighbour will wake up
04:34.55TheOnyxhaha
04:35.00TecnoBratyou need to turn it off when you aren't on another window, or in the channel :P
04:35.07DuTempeteWell you're not doing it like a normal human being.  You're not even using real sentence structure.
04:35.10TecnoBrator need a new irc client that does that
04:35.18Adysxchat can do that but i cba
04:35.21Adysanyhow
04:35.42Adyskeep the rep bar if you want and make it so users can chose hiding them by default
04:35.43TecnoBratwhat are you afraid the feature will bloat into?
04:36.06AdysDuTempete: if you like the idea of a rep bar i dont love you anymore sorry
04:36.17TheOnyxhaha
04:36.19Skosirislol
04:36.23DuTempeteyou love me?
04:36.29TecnoBratSkosiris, what is Mal's char name on Draenor?
04:36.33TheOnyxSkosiris: at least we have each other
04:36.34Adyssod off and give feedback
04:36.39Adys:P
04:36.42SkosirisTecnoBrat: Malladin
04:36.45SkosirisCitibank also
04:36.57SkosirisDuTempete: you cannot not love the Exalted bar tooltip
04:37.06Skosirismouseover I mean
04:37.09DuTempeteI'm not reading anymore until Adys confirms his statement...
04:37.12AdysSkosiris: you use IE?
04:37.16TecnoBratI really really really like the rep bar idea, I think it really fits in, and wow players will understand it.
04:37.22TheOnyxSkosiris: I just had someone crack up over the hated mouseover :)
04:37.29Adyswait nvm i didnt refresh
04:37.48Skosiriscrack up?
04:37.53TheOnyxSkosiris: laughing
04:37.55TecnoBratSkosiris, what about ray?
04:37.55TheOnyxa lot
04:38.24TecnoBratTheOnyx, check out exalted
04:38.33DuTempeteAdys...
04:38.36TheOnyxTecnoBrat: I know, that was my idea
04:38.38TheOnyx;)
04:38.43Adysright
04:39.00Adysok a couple of things flawed about this rep bar
04:39.25Adys1/ anyone under 50 or so rating should seriously reconsider himself
04:39.25Kirkburnbrb
04:39.26Adys-50 *
04:39.34DuTempetelol
04:39.35TheOnyxnod
04:39.40TheOnyxwe had someone at -800
04:39.46TheOnyx:(
04:39.51DuTempeteI never left!
04:39.56Adyssecond thing
04:40.04Skosirishttp://www.wowhead.com/?user=kwerky <-- he's at -1052 now :o
04:40.10TheOnyxdamn
04:40.30TecnoBratThis cracks me up "Skosiris <"Undocumented Feature" Author>"
04:40.37DuTempeteI'll wait to say my piece until Adys shuts up.
04:40.37Adyslmao
04:40.38TheOnyx:-D
04:40.50Adysonce arrived at a certain rating you cant go up anymore either
04:40.54Adyswith text you can see the diff
04:41.04Adysok and in general it doesnt go with wowhead's theme
04:41.06TecnoBratMalgayne <Voice of the Wowhead>
04:41.11TecnoBratthat one isn't as funny
04:41.14TecnoBratbut its still good
04:41.32Skosiriswhat about http://www.wowhead.com/?user=phaydre ?
04:41.48Adysthats another flaw of the rep system
04:42.01Adysthats why i wouldnt even call it reputation
04:42.09Adysand would keep it internal since it'd be only concerning comments
04:42.13Skosiriswhat flaw?
04:42.14TecnoBrat"HUNTAR WAEPON LAWLZ"
04:42.17TheOnyxAdys: it hasnt been modified to include screenswhots yet
04:42.31Adysyea but what else TheOnyx i dont want wowhead to become myspace ffs
04:42.35DuTempeteNUH UH IT R PALLI WEPON!1
04:42.50TheOnyxAdys: neither do I :P
04:42.52TecnoBrathow about rating screenshots?
04:42.59TecnoBratthat would be pretty cool actually
04:42.59Paradox_any addons to put weapon buffs on my main buff bar?
04:43.04Adysrating screenshots I proposed ages ago ><
04:43.11TheOnyxwe're just adding up the contribution people make into one number and displaying it as a bar
04:43.15TecnoBratthen add that to the rep
04:43.38TheOnyxTecnoBrat: nod... in the interim, Skosiris suggested +1 for every accepted pic and +5 if it is made the sticky pic
04:43.39DuTempeteYou done bitching, Adys?
04:43.42Adysno
04:43.43TecnoBrathahaha phaydre <PrintScreen All-Star>
04:43.44TheOnyxagain, details
04:43.49DuTempete<3
04:44.03Adysjust a final word
04:44.05Skosirishttp://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire
04:44.09TecnoBratAdys <I LIEK PICTURES>
04:44.12DuTempetehehe
04:44.21DuTempetewhen is it ever your final word?
04:45.28DuTempetewait a minute
04:45.28DuTempetehow'd I get a comment deleted?
04:45.49Adysnegative rating for over 5 days
04:45.50DuTempetehttp://www.wowhead.com/?user=DuTempete
04:46.09Skosirislooks like your comment has had a negative rating for 5 days in a row, it got purged
04:46.33DuTempetehow do they get negative ratigns?
04:46.42Adysby being negatively rated :P
04:46.43TheOnyxDuTempete: people downrate them
04:46.45Skosirislol
04:47.00Skosirishttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=32381#comments:id=87516   <-- notice the [-] [+] controls ? :)
04:47.09DuTempeteHrmm, that's a down side I never noticed.
04:47.25DuTempeteIt was a question.  How can you justify negatively rating a question?
04:47.36Skosiriswell, that's the tricky part
04:47.46Adysif it got answered it doesnt have to stay
04:47.47Skosiristhe ratings are meant to promote good comments, and remove crappy ones
04:47.57Skosirisbut some people downrate questions
04:47.58DuTempetebut my rep suffers because of it
04:48.04Adysbwahaha
04:48.06DuTempetesee what i mean?
04:48.09skizmrep?  : /
04:48.17skizmi would downrate questions because no one needs to see them
04:48.23skizmif they're answered already
04:48.26TheOnyxnod
04:48.35Adysi generally delete both the question and the answer and edit the answer in an earlier post
04:48.37Skosirisunless they are questions that a lot of people could find useful
04:48.39skizmbut i don't bother rating anything ;p
04:48.46DuTempetewhat if the answer was "no, you can't"?
04:48.55Skosirisskizm: rep -> www.wowhead.com/test.html    (and don't use IE6)
04:48.57skizmthat's not a very good answer
04:49.03Adyslol
04:49.09skizmoh so it's not implemented yet, i see
04:49.15TheOnyxnod
04:49.21Adyswe're discussing how much it sucks :OP
04:49.22Skosirisit's half-implemented
04:49.23DuTempetedepends on the question, and makes sense if it's in context
04:49.38Skosiristhe reputation value is already displayed on the user pages, although the formula will change
04:49.57Skosirisso DuTempete, what do you think? :D
04:49.58DuTempeteAnyway... here are my thoughts.
04:50.02TheOnyxwe're discussing making the number a wow-themed rep bar
04:50.32DuTempeteNo, Adys, I don't think it sucks, but I don't think is spectacular, either.  Just to get that out of the way.
04:50.36DuTempeteIt's interesting.
04:50.39skizmi think it's only really useful if you can see it on each comment
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04:50.52TheOnyxskizm: it would only be on profiles
04:50.55Adysyou know what would be cool actually? yanking this out of the quick facts div and shove it in a new tab, without rep bar but with more accurate numbers
04:50.59TheOnyxskizm: we don't really want to spam it
04:51.12skizmi agree, but do people really check other people's profiles?
04:51.23TheOnyxSkosiris: I like Adys idea of a seperate tab actually
04:51.24Adys|Comments| |Screenshots| |Stats|
04:51.25skizmi guess i don't use the site THAT much
04:51.29TheOnyxthay way peoplke who dont want it dont see it
04:51.42DuTempeteI would rather see text shaded by rep, green, olive, yellow, orange, and anything red (seems you already hve this) be removed from the default visual of comments
04:52.00DuTempeteand on mouseover, just have a rep number.
04:52.07SkosirisTheOnyx: I like it too, we could add the detailed calculation of the reputation in its own tab
04:52.29TheOnyxSkosiris: nod... with factions for each part (if we keep bars)
04:52.35Adysplease god no
04:52.44DuTempeteI just don't like the thought of someone going in the red because they asked a lot of questions.
04:52.47TheOnyxAdys: they'll be in a tab, safely away from you :P
04:52.49Adysthis is ridiculous, internal wowhead factions
04:52.54TheOnyxhaha
04:52.54DuTempeteThat's the antithesis of what the site is for.
04:52.56Skosirislol
04:53.05Losnarcould I be at war with the screenshots faction?
04:53.08Adysseriously, do you realize this?:/
04:53.15TheOnyxDuTempete: well, we can't control the user's who downmod questions :-.
04:53.18TecnoBratLemme check my rep ..
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04:53.24Skosirisdon't worry, we shouldn't push it that far
04:53.28TheOnyxnod
04:53.33TecnoBratReputation: +1
04:53.37Adysremove the whole reputation idea, put it in its own tab with numbers
04:53.37TecnoBratAFK grinding wowhead rep
04:53.41DuTempeteWell, then you'd better think of a way to save those people from bad rep, TheOnyx.
04:53.47Adys* 1550 screenshots sent
04:53.50TecnoBratneed to get exalted to get my epic feature mount
04:53.52Adys* 350 screenshots approved
04:54.03Adys* 180 stickied screenshots
04:54.10skizmonly way to do that is to enable people to delete their comments
04:54.12TecnoBrat195 Article Edited!
04:54.12Adys* +3500 total rating
04:54.14Adyswhatever
04:54.14TecnoBrat*ahem*
04:54.16TecnoBrat:P
04:54.21TheOnyxskizm: people can delete their own comments
04:54.22SkosirisDuTempete: you shouldn't be worried about having a negative reputation
04:54.25Adysskizm: thats already there
04:54.31SkosirisDuTempete: your reputation is low because you haven't contributed much so far :P
04:54.31TheOnyxDuTempete: people can delete their own comments now
04:54.34skizmthen can't you just delete a question after it's answered
04:54.49skizmobviously i don't use those features of the site ;p
04:54.51TheOnyxDuTempete: and deleted comment would not count negatively
04:54.58SkosirisDuTempete: the site doesn't know yet how good of a contributer you are
04:55.02TheOnyxin the final implementation
04:55.22DuTempeteWell I don't know that, I don't visit the website all the time.  I'm quite knowledgeable about the game, as I've played it since beta. =P  So I have the opposite problem the nubs do.
04:55.35Adysive just reproduced at the perfection the position of this "Oh noes" guy in star trek
04:56.30DuTempeteI'd visit more, just to contribute, if I had time.
04:56.38DuTempeteBut I don't even have time for the wiki, my first love.
04:56.48TecnoBratAs long as I get automatic exalted, I dont care what you do! :P
04:57.11Adysthe more i think about it the worse this idea is getting in my head tbh :P its like actually true, once people are exalted why bother continuing to contribute
04:57.30SkosirisTecnoBrat: sure..
04:57.31Adysthis gives a carrot for people to contribute and once they reached it they dont have to bother anymore
04:57.33DuTempeteexalted is 21k?
04:57.49DuTempeteat 1 and 5 points here and there, it'd take ages to get that far.
04:57.52TheOnyxAdys: it's not supposed to act as incentive to contribute, just a neat metric
04:57.59DuTempeteI'd think they would deserve the option not to contribute.
04:58.07SkosirisAdys: we can tweak the values as needed, and rework the formula
04:58.08TecnoBratAdys, I think the limit is high enough that to get that far .. you would have to care about the site
04:58.09Adysbut its not because its not supposed to act as such that it wont TheOnyx lol
04:58.13TheOnyxAdys: I mean, I had the 3rd highes trating and I contribute to make the site great
04:58.14Adysomg stop the pings
04:58.16TecnoBratits nto something you can "grind"
04:58.20TheOnyxnot because of LOL NUMBARTS
04:58.41*** kick/#wowhead [Kalroth!i=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-91-11.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] by Adys (Adys)
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04:58.48Kalroth:(
04:59.00Adysok but look
04:59.07DuTempeteAnd I, as a user, would certainly want to know if someone's opinion was considered valuable, even if they hadn't made a contribution in a while.
04:59.08KalrothYou're going to make a grown orc cry, Adys!
04:59.10CrevoxAdys, I think the reputation alone is good enough, but the bar being there isn't much of a problem, as long as the original Reputation: thing is still there
04:59.12DuTempeteyou deserved that, Kalroth.
04:59.15Adysthe whole idea of grinding karma is ridiculous
04:59.19Adysseriously
04:59.29TheOnyxagreed
04:59.36Skosiristhat's why we won't promote it
04:59.46TheOnyxit's a stat, not for motivation
04:59.46DuTempetegrinding, yes, I'd not want it to turn into pressure on the user
04:59.47Skosirisit's not going to make the underdev page
04:59.47Adysrep bar is promoting it
04:59.49CrevoxThe idea of the bar is kinda silly, imo
04:59.52Adyswhy isnt the text enough?
04:59.58Crevoxbut it's not damaging
05:00.04Adyswell it wont make the underdev page but it make two good hours of talk on irc
05:00.12Skosirislol
05:00.15Adyswhich imo is a bit much for such a "simple and unnoticed feature"
05:00.16TheOnyxit can be.... some people like pictures as opposed to words though :P
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05:00.33DuTempeteWhat do you think of my colored text, Adys?
05:00.33CrevoxIt's not a picture, it's an inch of color
05:00.34Skosiriswe wouldn't be discussing it if you weren't concerned about it ;)
05:00.35DuTempetethe idea
05:01.11AdysDuTempete's idea is nice
05:01.14KalrothDuTempete: I did not deserve it, Adys is just being his usual cruel alliance self, I'm but a green sweet orc :(
05:01.27DuTempetewhatever, Kalroth
05:01.29Adyslol
05:01.33TheOnyxcoloring the text of people's comments per their karma?
05:01.37DuTempeteaye
05:01.37Adysno
05:01.44DuTempetename?
05:01.45Adysthat was your idea DuTempete ?
05:01.48DuTempeteyeah
05:01.50Adysok then it sucks
05:02.02Kalrothhaha
05:02.02DuTempetewhat were you thinking?
05:02.05Adyscolor the Reputation: 1500 text depending on karma
05:02.09Adysthats what i was thinking
05:02.21Adysbetter than silly rep bar and you got your "screenshot" :P
05:02.21DuTempeteon the tooltip?
05:02.27Adysno, just color it
05:02.44DuTempeteis that under the user name in the comments area?
05:02.49Adysyea
05:02.52Adysno
05:02.56Adysits in the profile
05:03.04DuTempeteAre you seriously just arguing the difference between a graphic and text?
05:03.12Adysyes
05:03.15Adysno
05:03.19DuTempeteI don't want to have to go all the way to someone's profile to see it...
05:03.31Crevoxhmm
05:03.32Adysi dont want you to even see it :P
05:03.32TheOnyxmore or less
05:03.39CrevoxPeople will stop up-rating others posts
05:03.43TheOnyxhe's already said stats are ok, but text > bar
05:03.56DuTempeteoy
05:03.57Crevoxthey want a higher reputation, so they won't up another's post to be higher than their's
05:04.15DuTempeteI can't believe you're getting hot and bothered over a 10x25 area on the page.
05:04.17skizmi don't think that's true ;p
05:04.19Adysim against the idea of "levels" and being able to "grind it" in a way
05:04.28skizmthere's plenty of sites that have reputation
05:04.40Adystheres plenty of sites that suck too
05:04.41DuTempeteso just because the visual representation looks like an xp bar, you ahte it?
05:04.47Adysno
05:04.50skizmfor example, shoryuken
05:04.57skizmdon't try to tell me that site sucks ;p
05:04.58Adysi dont like the idea of having levels on the website
05:04.58TheOnyxCrevox: I dont think people are that malicious over modding up useful comments
05:05.09Adyslol you bet
05:05.16skizmi don't like the idea either for what it's worth, but apparently it already exists?
05:05.16Adysyes they are
05:05.21Adysanyone and everyone can register to the website
05:05.28TheOnyxskizm:  not implemented yet
05:05.30Adysskizm: nah
05:05.41TheOnyxAdys: yet you're an admin... that's a level :P
05:05.44DuTempetehow do I search for a user profile?
05:05.49Adyswhich you cant grind
05:05.53Adysyou cant
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05:05.55CrevoxTheOnyx: they have no reason to up-rating another's comment
05:06.00DuTempeteah
05:06.01SkosirisDuTempete: how about hovering the usernames in comment listings show a tooltip with some basic information about the user?  Date joined, reputation, etc
05:06.05TheOnyxone could argue you could
05:06.07CrevoxTheOnyx: there should be a reason to
05:06.08Adysnoooo
05:06.09DuTempetewb, Kirkburn, darling.
05:06.11Adysplease ><
05:06.18TheOnyxone could argue I put enough good comments on the site that I grinded my way to mod status
05:06.20KirkburnI am now in my room :)
05:06.27DuTempeteoooh, sexy.
05:06.29Adysbut TheOnyx thats different
05:06.40Kirkburnyes, my room is sexy :P
05:06.45Adysno one can stand in your way and annoy you so you wont be md
05:06.47Adysmod/
05:06.56Djjinwoot 1am and get to go home!!!!!!!!
05:07.14Adysim not a ranter usually
05:07.20Adysi see things as they are and as they best can be
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05:07.51Adysand i can just tell in advance that a feature like that, even if its not promoted, will definetly be big enough to be seen
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05:07.54Djjinnite guys
05:07.57Adysgn
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05:08.00DuTempeteremind me what you think is wrong with a tooltip, adys?
05:08.19KirkburnIt's not sexy, like my room
05:08.20Adysi think the idea as a whole is wrong except the text
05:08.22TheOnyxit's an extra feature
05:08.22TheOnyx;)
05:08.28Skosirislol
05:08.34TheOnyxso you like the stat
05:08.35MalgayneI had to run out of the room, and the second I left Sko was telling me there was a grand debate going on in the IRC
05:08.42DuTempeteI don't mind having a tooltip that describes the users...
05:08.50TheOnyxjust not levels
05:08.50TheOnyxor any sort of progression
05:08.54AdysMalgayne: http://www.wowhead.com/test.html
05:08.56DuTempetebut mebbe Adys has a point about it being obvious, if you're trying to downplay it
05:09.02MalgayneSeen it Adys
05:09.07Adysright
05:09.09TheOnyxI don't see why you would think numbers wouldnt cause the same problems as bars
05:09.16SkosirisMalgayne: you only have 1h 11 minutes of debate to catch up :D
05:09.29KirkburnDuTempete, but then you'd need extra ranks like "noob", "know-it-all", "spammer", "horde fanboi"
05:09.33Adysbecause someone cant just go and say "im gonna grind exalted on wowhead" seriously wtf?
05:09.35MalgayneI have been driving around for the whole hour trying to find a store that sold decent cat food
05:09.51AdysMalgayne: why didn't you come here ? I got cat food, a lot of it
05:09.58skizmi don't really get how you can grind it
05:10.00KirkburnDo you have a cat?
05:10.05Adysyes i do my dear
05:10.05skizmcan people rate up their own comments or something
05:10.06DuTempeteWhat about coloring the text of the user's name... and just putting small, nondescript text that gives the number in the tooltip?
05:10.08Kirkburnhehe
05:10.09Adysi showed you a pic of it
05:10.16KirkburnAh yes, Adys' pussy
05:10.21DuTempeteKirkburn, just because people call you those things all the time doesn't mean they qualify as ranks.
05:10.21Adys>>
05:10.24TheOnyxAdys: the rep thing came about because I proposed a simple number like karma and Skosiris thought too many people did that already
05:10.28TheOnyxhe wanted something original
05:10.32KirkburnDuTempete, :(
05:10.38TheOnyxwe came up with this, and frankly I'm partial to it
05:10.47TheOnyxjust because of the WoW theme
05:10.51TheOnyxnot because of ranks
05:11.15DuTempeteThat's because I have them over here.
05:11.20DuTempeteRemember me stealing them?
05:11.26skizml2pm
05:11.29skizm^_^
05:11.32DuTempetehehe
05:11.40KirkburnSo wait, are you fondling me or my clothes?
05:11.48DuTempeteyour clothes.
05:12.01Kirkburn:_(
05:12.18DuTempetesorry Skizm, inside joke ;)
05:12.26Kirkburn:D
05:12.53Crevoxhttp://www.wowhead.com/?npc=15688 click "Kil'Rek" near the top
05:13.02Crevoxthe link is broken
05:13.08TheOnyxAnywho, I need to get to bed. I'll get a summary of the rest of this discussion tomorrow.
05:13.08Crevoxneed the ?npc
05:13.09DuTempeteYes, I sleep with your robes every night, Kirk, and during the day, I fold them neatly, and place them gently next to my [Shrine of Kirkburn].
05:13.23DuTempeteEek!  Not the fedora!
05:13.32KirkburnYes! The fedora!
05:13.42MalgayneAlright
05:13.53CrevoxMalgayne, did you see that?
05:13.53Crevox;p
05:14.00AdysMalgayne: can i hear your thoughts about the whoel thing?
05:14.09Adyss/whoel/whole/
05:14.24DuTempetehehe
05:14.26MalgayneAdys--
05:14.37DuTempeteIt also has an Equip function
05:14.47MalgayneAs wonderful as I think this idea is, I would honestly scratch the whole thing
05:14.50DuTempeteeek
05:14.52DuTempetenot there!
05:15.00DuTempeteYou can keep it, now.
05:15.12DuTempeteWhy is that?
05:15.12Kirkburn"You can leave your hat on, na-na-na naa naa naaaa"
05:15.19MalgayneNot that I wouldn't keep this number
05:15.30MalgayneBut I wouldn't make it visible to users without special privileges
05:15.33SkosirisKIRKBURN
05:15.43KirkburnSKOSIRIS
05:15.47AdysKIDS
05:15.51DuTempeteBOYS
05:15.54KirkburnMUM
05:16.00MalgayneThe reason for this is because the rating system is so incredibly easy to abuse
05:16.00Adysbash'd
05:16.06Adysyeah mal
05:16.06SkosirisKirkburn: how about you make your first edit? :D
05:16.12DuTempeteAye, I agree with that.
05:16.17KirkburnMan, that sounds like work
05:16.18MalgayneAdys--you can go ahead and edit me out of the bash quote.  :P
05:16.28Adyslol
05:16.33SkosirisKirkburn: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=15688  <-- the Kil'rek link is broken, it's missing a ?
05:16.37MalgayneHave any of you ever posted on the forums on Allakhazam?
05:16.41AdysYah
05:16.50DuTempeteI have
05:16.51CrevoxSkosiris yes yes :D
05:16.52KirkburnLoad, you damn internets
05:16.55Adysfew times, it works similarly there
05:16.56MalgayneYou know, then, that Allakhazam has a similar karma system
05:17.01DuTempeteaye
05:17.10MalgayneWhere everyone can just rate everyone else's forum posts
05:17.21Kirkburnomg, fixing Skosiris
05:17.21DuTempeteWhat they dont' have, though, is post deletion
05:17.33MalgayneOf course, Tempete
05:17.37MalgayneBut that would make it even worse
05:17.44DuTempetebut they do have a default form that hides the poorly rated comments
05:17.51SkosirisMalgayne: I wouldn't be worried about people trying to abuse to get a high rank, because they wouldn't get anything out of it. we're not going to have public top listings
05:18.00MalgayneTempete--I know, I'm an admin on AKZ.  :P
05:18.08KirkburnSkosiris, you may need to give me the ability first ...
05:18.15Adysyou can kirk
05:18.16DuTempeteI wasn't just saying that for you, nor did I know that. =P
05:18.16MalgayneSkosiris: It's not about people abusing the system to get a higher rank
05:18.16SkosirisMalgayne: also, through the new ?mod page, we will be able to monitor this kind of stuff and detect abusers way before users notice them
05:18.19Adyscheck the bottom of your page
05:18.26Kirkburnlol
05:18.30Kirkburntotally forgot
05:18.38MalgayneSkosiris: It's about people abusing the system to grief other users
05:18.44Adysyou were looking for a tab werent you? i did the same at first
05:19.04MalgayneRight now it only takes two people to delete a comment
05:19.11SkosirisMalgayne: we will have tools on the ?mod page to detect users who keep bashing others for no reason
05:19.18MalgayneI understand that, Sko
05:19.39MalgayneAnd I have no doubt we'd be able to keep it all under control
05:19.51MalgayneBut bear in mind how much work it would require for us to keep it all under control
05:20.02Malgaynevs. the tangible benefit of having a public reputation listing
05:20.45Adyscomments stats page says 500-700 comments per day
05:20.50Kirkburnomg, teh fixxored, omg
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05:21.47MalgayneSorry, lost my Wi-Fi there
05:21.56MalgayneWhat I was saying was:
05:21.57KirkburnI have now earnt my stripes, now leave me alone :(
05:21.59MalgayneI am doubtful that the friendly competition created by having a public reputation listing would cause enough benefit to the site to make up for the man-hours necessary to monitor the system, and to deal with bad feeling cause by perceived abuse
05:22.22AdysAye totally agreed
05:22.24KirkburnHow exactly would the abuse arise?
05:22.26MalgayneAs much as I adore the whole "Wowhead Rep" idea
05:22.43KirkburnAre there wars going on in comments already?
05:22.43MalgayneKirk--if you and Adys are in touch on MSN
05:22.59Adyshe touches me a lot but not often on msn
05:23.03KirkburnWe're in touch *everywhere* baby
05:23.04Adyswait i didnt mean that
05:23.05MalgayneNo, not at all
05:23.05MalgayneBut I DO get a lot of emails
05:23.05MalgayneFrom people who are FURIOUS that their comments have been deleted on MSN
05:23.10Kalrothlol
05:23.12KirkburnDammit, great minds think alike
05:23.21Adysjealous kal?
05:23.26Malgayne...
05:23.33KirkburnAdys is my bitch
05:23.33KalrothNo, Kirkburn and me got a thing going too.
05:23.35Malgaynelol--I was looking at adys typing "MSN" and I just added that on to the end of my sentence
05:23.50KirkburnKalroth, you're a sub-bitch
05:23.50Adysdid I type msn?
05:23.58KirkburnAdys lords over all my bitches
05:24.00Malgayne"Adys: he touches me a lot but not often on msn"
05:24.03KalrothStop confusing Malgayne, Adys!
05:24.06Malgayne:(
05:24.07Skosirislol
05:24.11Adysomfg stop with the pings
05:24.19KirkburnAdys, no
05:24.19Adysmy neighbour is gonna go mad
05:24.28KalrothYour irc client pings when someone says Adys?
05:24.29KirkburnAdys, tell your neighbour to buy some earplugs
05:24.36Sky2042actually, reputation can get pretty stupid. smashboards.com just got rid of it a couple months ago; people were buying and selling it, etc.
05:24.37Skosirisl2headphones
05:24.43KalrothWhat Skosiris said ;)
05:24.43Adysi got headphones
05:24.46KirkburnYou forgot to type "Adys", Skosiris
05:24.48Adysits an internal computer beep
05:24.51Skosirislol
05:24.52Adysand dont know how to change it
05:24.56MalgayneThe point was, I get email all the time from people who are mad because they feel like their comments are being deleted because either the mods hate them for no reason or the community hates them for no reason
05:25.03KirkburnWhat a noob that Adys is
05:25.05KirkburnAdys
05:25.09KalrothAdys: Hardware components -> show hidden hardware -> disable "Beep"
05:25.17MalgayneAnd they send me email saying that they're never going to use the site again because people are griefing them
05:25.23KirkburnIt may be on the sound panel as well
05:25.25AdysKalroth: love you
05:25.43Adysstop pinging me? :p
05:25.46SkosirisMalgayne: but how is this related to the nifty progress bar replacing the otherwise boring text?
05:25.50KalrothI don't think so, it's a hardware and/or driver thing, it's not related directly to your soundcard(s)
05:25.55AdysSkosiris: it"d make it worse
05:25.56MalgayneNot at all
05:25.58KirkburnMalgayne, that's just sad ><
05:26.03DuTempeteWait, if Adys is your bitch, and Kalroth is your sub-bitch, what does that make me, Kirkburn?
05:26.03KirkburnEmo kids
05:26.10KirkburnDuTempete, my wife ^^
05:26.15DuTempeteoh, i see.
05:26.22DuTempeteSo that makes Adys my bitch, too?
05:26.22KirkburnOr how about mistress?
05:26.25Adysbe right back
05:26.26MalgayneSkosiris--I just mean to say that I don't think the text helps anything
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05:26.36KirkburnDuTempete, sure does
05:26.36DuTempeteOh, I like Mistress better.
05:26.54KirkburnOkay, then it's settled
05:26.55MalgayneAnd putting "hostile" or "unfriendly" or "hated" on someone's profile page has a lot more impact than "-422"
05:26.56Skosiriswell, the text is only there so you don't have to manually count all those ratings displayed on a user's comments page manually
05:27.16Skosiris-manually
05:27.16Skosirislol
05:27.17MalgayneSko--My feeling is that the text should not be there
05:27.23Malgayneat least not publicly
05:27.28KirkburnMy mistress has stolen my robes, and I have her hat .... what an escapade!
05:27.32MalgayneIt should be available for admins to check easily
05:27.38MalgayneAnd for that, I love the progress bar idea
05:27.44AdysYa that was my idea originally
05:27.47MalgayneBut I don't like having it out where anyone can look at
05:28.08DuTempeteAdys, did you hear that?  You're my bitch.
05:28.14Adyscool
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05:28.55Kirkburnbitchin;
05:29.14DuTempeteThe more subtle it all is, the less likely the people who don't care will bother to mess with it.  So, i'm with you on that.
05:29.36AdysYa DuTempete exactly
05:29.46CrevoxMay I ask the positive benefits of having such a thing added publicly?
05:29.55Adyshehe
05:30.03DuTempeteI'm not fond of the idea that people will often downrate a comment, just because they don't want to see it anymore.  Not if ratings really mean something to the general public.
05:30.44MalgayneRigth
05:30.51MalgayneFrequently users will ask me to downrate their comments
05:30.52CrevoxToo potential to cause wrong to be anything fun or right
05:30.56MalgayneSince they're no longer relevant, etc.
05:30.57Crevoxtoo much*
05:31.24Crevoxand even so, there's not much of a reason for it to be there
05:31.24DuTempeteCrevox, as a positive, it would be easier for users to tell which of the other users have something decent to say, or are just bullshitting.
05:31.38CrevoxDuTempete: Then it should be a mod only thing
05:31.46CrevoxI was talking about the positives of it being public
05:31.49MalgayneIsn't that what we get already with the individual comment scores?
05:31.56Crevoxright, Malgayne
05:32.00AdysYa ratings are here for that
05:32.02CrevoxIf a comment is bad it's not shown
05:32.07Crevoxor rated down
05:32.23CrevoxIf it's good, it's rated up
05:32.26Adysi believe the whole idea was at the start to add it because it'd be a "fun feature"
05:32.34CrevoxI don't think people will go to the user's page every time to check their reputation
05:32.39Crevoxto see if they're telling the truth
05:32.44DuTempeteam I mixing two things up that aren't supposed to be?  I thought the whole idea of the rep bar is that it showed Users the values...
05:33.06DuTempeteSeeing ratings of individual comments is one thing, but a rating for an entire user's contrib is another...
05:33.25CrevoxIt's an entire
05:33.42MalgayneI think that the "reputation: X" marker on a user's profile right now isn't really an issue
05:33.55DuTempeteSo, there's already indiv comment ratings, but no whole user rating?
05:34.02MalgayneMostly because it takes a certain level of intelligence to understand what it is
05:34.08Adyslol
05:34.10Adyswell, yeah
05:34.10DuTempetelol
05:34.30CrevoxMalgayne: right now it's just a sum of the comments below
05:34.35Crevoxanyone can pull out a calculator and add them up
05:34.39DuTempeteno, I don't think that's the issue, the issue is rather how easy it would be for people to see it
05:34.39Crevoxso I don't see a problem with it
05:34.49DuTempeteam I right?
05:34.50MalgayneRight
05:34.52MalgayneIf I may
05:35.14MalgayneThe idea is to keep from infuriating the dumb spammer
05:35.21MalgayneWho was the guy you banned earlier today, Sko?
05:35.32MalgayneWho had all the ridiculous "I AM A GAY HOMOFAG" comments?
05:35.44Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?user=kwerky ?
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05:35.49MalgayneThat's the one.  :)
05:35.51AdysI think Skosiris is afk :P
05:35.52MalgayneNow that guy
05:36.01MalgayneSuppose, pre-ban, he goes and looks at his reputation page
05:36.13Skosiris[01:31] <Malgayne> Frequently users will ask me to downrate their comments Since they're no longer relevant, etc.   <-- this is a thing of the past, as you can now delete comments directly :D
05:36.15DuTempetecreates another user?
05:36.24Malgayneit has a big negative number, the sum of all the numbers on his comments
05:36.37MalgayneAnd he looks at that
05:36.39MalgayneHe thinks, "Wow...my comments keep getting rated down"
05:36.42MalgayneIf he gets that far
05:36.51MalgayneNow imagine it under the new system.
05:36.55MalgayneHe goes to his user profile
05:37.13Malgayneand instead of this number, he sees a huge red box with the word "HATED" in big letters on it
05:37.23Skosirishahaha
05:37.24Skosiris[01:34] <Malgayne> Mostly because it takes a certain level of intelligence to understand what it is
05:37.44MalgayneHe thinks,
05:37.44Malgayne"Hey...f*** you!!"
05:37.53Crevoxlol Malgayne
05:37.59Adysyou can say fuck in this channel, Malgayne
05:38.00DuTempetewell, he is, and I'm terribly amused by that image, but I can understand how it'd become a headache.
05:38.06DuTempetefuck fuck fuck
05:38.12AdysWe will give you a special authorization
05:38.17MalgayneThe point, honestly, is that it goes from "Well, that's what the summed score on your comments is, not my fault" to something personal
05:38.20DuTempeteI just say it anyway.
05:38.29MalgayneActually, I was the one who was cracking down on it earlier today
05:38.46MalgayneWe had enough pissed off mom's worried about their children after this weekend.  =/
05:39.03DuTempeteMeh.
05:39.03MalgayneI didn't want to have some 9 year old come into the IRC channel to find us all saying "fuck"
05:39.10DuTempeteThe internet is for porn.
05:39.12MalgayneWell
05:39.21MalgayneBear in mind that it's my job to deal with all the people who got pissed off by that
05:39.46MalgayneSo the results of keeping it to a minimum, while intangible to you all, are directly visible to me--they mean less work.  :)
05:40.00SkosirisMalgayne: should we really care about those who would take their "rep" personal? How many people who would do that anyway? Most users that end up having a bad profile are those who post crap
05:40.21DuTempeteIMO, their mom isn't using wowhead, and all it takes is a simple "This is an adult community."  But you do what you feel is right. =P
05:40.27Adysand get the occasion to mess with other peoples profiles
05:40.27MalgayneYes, Sko, we should
05:40.32AdysAye
05:40.36MalgayneI don't intend to dumb our community down at all
05:40.49MalgayneBut NEVER alienate a user, no matter how much of an annoying troll he may be
05:40.53TecnoBratYea Malgayne yelled at me!
05:41.00MalgayneExcept Tecno
05:41.11TecnoBrathaha
05:41.16Adys:/
05:41.19TecnoBratMalgayne, I transfered my characters
05:41.20Skosiriswell, for instance, http://www.wowhead.com/?user=kwerky  -- should we care that his user his mad at us or the entire community because his reputation is "hated"? He kinda deserved it.
05:41.30MalgayneYup
05:41.41MalgayneBut if he has even one friend
05:41.41Skosirisis mad*
05:42.00MalgayneWho actually has an opinion that is worthy of respect
05:42.21MalgayneThen that person tells his guildies
05:42.36Adysthis is also why im against the whole "automatic levels" thing
05:42.39MalgayneNot that kwerky was banned for being an annoying troll
05:42.52MalgayneBut that the Wowhead admins hate him for no reason
05:43.12SkosirisAnyone with at least a little bit of common sense would understand why he got banned/hated, etc, just by looking at his comments. There is actually a reason why he got banned :P
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05:43.25Skosiris(and thus the same reason would apply as to why he is hated.)
05:43.32AdysYes sko but you cant expect people to have common sense, sort of
05:43.47MalgayneDo you know how many people visit this site in a month?
05:43.58Skosirisof course I do
05:44.01Adyslol
05:44.07MalgayneActually, let me put this differently
05:44.23MalgayneAllakhazam's database is almost as good as yours--better than Thottbot's
05:44.39Skosiris*cough*almost as good*cough*
05:44.47DuTempeteAye, the comparison you just made about him having friends who are worthy of respect, well you would think that because of that fact, they would be wary of their friend's behavior.
05:45.13MalgayneTempete, what you wind up with is some guy spamming a trade channel with "Wowhead sucks, I'm going back to Thottbot"
05:45.27MalgayneNobody knows who he is, and everyone ignores him
05:45.28SkosirisI'm pretty sure that if kwerky tells his guildy about the fact he got banned, they will just laught at him or something
05:45.34Skosirislaugh*
05:45.37Skosirisguildies*
05:45.39MalgayneBut then a week later someoen else yells it in trade
05:45.48TecnoBratSuggestion
05:45.54DuTempeteAre you expecting to have that many Kwerky's floating about?
05:45.55MalgayneAnd after two or three, the whole server starts thinking "Wow...what's wrong with Wowhead?"
05:45.57TecnoBratSuspension option
05:46.04TecnoBratSuspend him for a week
05:46.06SkosirisDuTempete: I'm not
05:46.12AdysDuTempete: I am
05:46.17TecnoBratwith a reason when he logs in
05:46.19MalgayneAs am I
05:46.24TecnoBratat least its not as bad as a "ban"
05:46.31MalgayneWell, I don't mind banning the guy
05:46.37MalgayneHe's the single worst offender on the entire site
05:46.42AdysYou WILL get idiots registering, whatsoever
05:46.53Adystoday we got that idiot spamming
05:46.57TecnoBratMalgayne, well I agree, he also had lots of comments
05:46.58Adysyesterday we got a script kiddy
05:47.01MalgayneSko--I think you could solve this problem entirely by having the reputation bar stop at "Neutral"
05:47.02TecnoBratso maybe he just needed a prod
05:47.09TecnoBratto get him in the right direction
05:47.18SkosirisMalgayne: so you would suggest we care of the kwerky kind of person just to minimize the chance of having them say bad things about Wowhead?
05:47.31Adysnot exactly
05:47.38DuTempeteOk I can see getting that many Kwerky's in a week, but consider how many servers there are.
05:47.40Adyssort of but
05:47.47MalgayneI'm suggesting that the "kwerky"s of the world are not the only ones that will be alienated by this
05:47.50TecnoBrat(I was the one who originally suggested the ban)
05:48.03DuTempeteThis isn't a local restaurant.  The range of spamming is quite larger than that.
05:48.08TecnoBratBut I'm thinking if there was a suspension option .. you may actually turn him into a good user
05:48.12MalgayneYou'll alienate friendly, helpful users who just aren't very bright
05:48.16TecnoBratif not, you can always ban him
05:48.35MalgayneRegular uploaders and longtime supporters of the database
05:48.44Skosirishow about a little mouseover tooltip on Reputation that says "This value represents your contributions to the Wowhead site."
05:48.45TecnoBrathe had a LOT of comments
05:48.48DuTempetea spammer is going to alientate them?
05:48.51TecnoBratI'm not sure how many compared to the whole
05:48.59TecnoBratbut he had some really useful comments also
05:49.06Skosiristhen we can't get blamed, the alienated user will only be able to blame the whole community, which is pointless
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05:49.16MalgayneThat's the point, Sko
05:49.19Adysyes
05:49.30MalgayneRightfully, the alienated user will only be able to blame the community
05:49.32Baalmorning
05:49.33MalgayneThat's the way the system works
05:49.39Malgayne(morning Baal)
05:49.42MalgayneBut he won't
05:49.43TecnoBratbut they wont
05:49.45DuTempetemorning Baal
05:49.46MalgayneHe'll blame Wowhead
05:49.48TecnoBrathaha
05:49.55Malgayneregardless of where the actual responsibility lies
05:50.03TecnoBrat(Malgayne, what is ray's character names?)
05:50.04AdysLook at how it works in wow, its the same
05:50.04MalgayneBecause Wowhead "hates" him
05:50.12MalgayneTecno--rayford.  :P
05:50.29TecnoBratblah, you are all slacking
05:50.32TecnoBratand not in wow
05:50.39AdysWarrior gets nerfed, warriors think Warrior CM #145 hates the community hehe
05:50.56Adysexaggerating but its the same principle
05:50.56TecnoBrat"Warrior CM" good one
05:51.01Adysshush lol
05:51.02KalrothWhy it put da booterang on warriors, why?!?
05:51.10MalgayneI'm not saying we should spend a great deal of our time caring for the kwerkys
05:51.17TecnoBratI really like the rep idea
05:51.22TecnoBratI think its neat
05:51.24TecnoBratI think its cool
05:51.29MalgayneJust, let's not piss them off--because hell hath no fury like a moron scorned
05:51.33TecnoBratI agree it might make some angry users
05:51.42DuTempetewell, it sounds like you are saying that, Mal
05:51.51TecnoBratMAYBE display a message when their rep starts to get low
05:51.53DuTempeteto me, anyway
05:51.59TecnoBratwith a small explaination, and link to the faq
05:52.03AdysI believe we should remove the reputation bar and replace the word reputation by a very simple "Overall rating" :)
05:52.04TecnoBratlike a bad at the top of the site
05:52.10Adysjust to be straight
05:52.15TecnoBratto prod them in the right direction before it gets bad
05:52.31TecnoBratlike a bar*
05:52.39AdysTecnoBrat: you dont change people like that
05:53.06TecnoBrat"Your reputation is getting low, click here to find out why."
05:53.11Adyslol
05:53.20TecnoBratAdys, you mean thats not the right method .. or you wont change them .. period?
05:53.27Adysboth
05:53.42DuTempeteI realyl only see people who are getting that low being the spammers and the griefers, my thought is they'll know very well why their overall rating is low
05:54.00TecnoBratWell, look at that user again DuTempete
05:54.06TecnoBratlook at his comments closely
05:54.18TecnoBrathe has some really horrible comments, quite a few
05:54.23TecnoBratand then he has some really good comments also
05:55.31AdysSkosiris, what do you think?
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05:55.44TecnoBrathttp://www.wowhead.com/?user=kwerky
05:55.45Astralianhey all
05:55.47TecnoBratmaybe I'm wrong
05:55.59TecnoBratbut I believe with the proper prod'ing, that user could of been good
05:56.22TecnoBratmaybe I am in a fantasy world
05:56.34AdysWe dont know what happened
05:56.43Adysit could have just been a shared account for all thats worth
05:57.00TecnoBratwhy would someone share a wowhead acct?
05:57.20Adyspeople knowing someone else's general password
05:57.20TecnoBratI mean besides the gay comments
05:57.30TecnoBratthere is also stuff about "frost resistence you retard"
05:57.31TecnoBratetc
05:57.42DuTempeteTecnoBrat, he reminds me of a few of the younger players I've known.
05:57.57Adysas secure as I am I only use two different passwords, a general one and one for my wow account :P
05:58.01DuTempeteThose kids, even if you had explained it to them, would never have understood, or learned to get better.
05:58.12Sky2042ageism*
05:58.14Sky2042lol
05:58.16DuTempeteIf you're lucky, you wouldn't get yelled at just for talking to them.
05:58.35DuTempeteSky, I'm talking from personal experience, so you can stuff it. =P
05:58.52TecnoBratSky2042, sorry .. aheism?
05:58.59Sky2042ageism. :P
05:59.02TecnoBratI guess I could dictionary it
05:59.07TecnoBratoh,
05:59.09TecnoBratgotcha
05:59.12DuTempeteageism, prejudice against those of an age demographic
05:59.27TecnoBratsorry, I'm tired, I didnt see your correction
05:59.28AdysDont you stop whining Sky Im younger than you :P
05:59.43TecnoBratHow old are you?
06:00.08Sky2042wait, what adys?
06:00.26TecnoBratDuTempete, like I said, maybe I'm living in a fantasy world
06:00.27Sky2042srsly?
06:00.35Sky2042or you yanking chains?
06:00.37AdysWhy would I lie /P
06:00.42Kirkburnheh
06:00.46Sky2042you're adys. why wouldn't you lie?
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06:00.49Adyss//P/?/
06:01.00Skosiris[01:55] <Adys> Skosiris, what do you think?
06:01.13Skosirisabout Tecno's suggestion?  ""Your reputation is getting low, click here to find out why.""
06:01.13TecnoBratI'm 25 .. and you just made me feel old
06:01.17Kirkburn22/m/ca =)
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06:01.26AdysSkosiris: no
06:01.27DuTempetelol
06:01.29DuTempeteca
06:01.33TecnoBratugh, Kirkburn is young too!
06:01.43AdysSkosiris: What do you think overall, of Malgayne's feedback?
06:01.47TecnoBrat25/m/bc, canada :P
06:01.48KirkburnYoung? Young?!?!
06:02.00Crevox16/m/il
06:02.12TecnoBratDuTempete, how old?
06:02.16SkosirisI'd say I'm 70% interested in trying out the idea
06:02.20TecnoBratI know Skosiris is like ... 21?
06:02.22Skosiris(down from 100%)
06:02.30AdysOk
06:02.35Adysso if my calculations are right
06:02.43Adysonly 4 hours and half left until we're done
06:02.45TecnoBratSkosiris, I assume you use CVS or SVN or something?
06:03.28MalgayneI have to switch computers
06:03.30Malgaynebrb
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06:03.54Skosirislol
06:03.59Adyssvn's awesome, how dare you say that
06:04.06SkosirisWhat did I say?
06:04.22TecnoBratWTF?!?!
06:04.26TecnoBratNo version control?
06:04.28TecnoBratwow...
06:04.32Skosirislol
06:04.33TecnoBratyou sir, are a brave man
06:04.39AdysFeel your pain
06:04.43Skosirisbackups are our friends, I guess
06:04.53TecnoBratI guess so ...
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06:05.42DuTempetecripes you all are young pups...
06:05.49TecnoBratDuTempete, spill
06:05.50TecnoBrathow old?
06:05.54DuTempeteno.
06:06.02TecnoBratMalgayne, so I named my mage Invisible and my warrior Slam
06:06.03TecnoBrat:P
06:06.04Sky2042i've tried before. i couldn't get her to answer
06:06.04MalgayneBut also married
06:06.06Sky2042:O
06:06.13DuTempeteJust know that I am much older, and wiser than you. =P
06:06.17Sky2042wise?
06:06.19Adyslol
06:06.19Sky2042pft
06:06.23Sky2042yarite
06:06.25TecnoBratDuTempete, oh right, you are a she
06:06.27TecnoBratI forgot!
06:06.37DuTempetepsh, getting married doesn't make you wiser, just wearier.
06:06.47`-`i concur. =_=
06:06.55TecnoBratDuTempete, so answer me this .. above or below 40?
06:07.00DuTempeteno.
06:07.06Adysthat means above
06:07.07TecnoBratthen you are above
06:07.11TecnoBratthanks for answering
06:07.15`-`owned.
06:07.24TecnoBrat:P
06:07.30Skosirishey
06:07.47DuTempetehey is for horses, Skosiris.
06:07.49Skosiriswe're looking at adding some more questions to the FAQ page, would you happen to have any suggestions?
06:07.51TecnoBratI'd have to say that having kids does make you more mature.
06:07.55TecnoBratbut thats maybe just me
06:07.57Kirkburn29
06:08.04MalgayneAlso Sko
06:08.06Skosirislike things you know a considerable amount of people don't know
06:08.14Skosiris"how do I do this?"
06:08.21Adysdouble click the icon to find out the name :D
06:08.22Skosiris"how does this work on Wowhead?"
06:08.27TecnoBratSkosiris, gonna be lots
06:08.29Adysadd that
06:08.34TecnoBratas soon as you release your "mystery features"
06:08.37TecnoBratso get on that! :P
06:08.38Sky2042uh, how do we format our comments?
06:08.39Sky2042:P
06:08.40Adyslol
06:08.55MalgayneI'll link to that
06:09.06TecnoBratdouble click what icon?
06:09.26AdysSkosiris: learn to standardize btw! ?help doesnt exist, ?help=comment-format exists, ?faq exists
06:09.34Adysmovs ?faq to ?help.
06:09.40Adysmove/
06:13.13SkosirisI alt-tab to some other MSN conversation and I slow the flow
06:13.19Adyshehe
06:13.21Skosirisslow?
06:13.23SkosirisI lose the flow
06:13.27Skosiris**
06:13.39DuTempeteAye, I don't see an "How do I add a comment?" question
06:13.56DuTempetesince you're expecting so many low-brows, it might not occur to folks to scroll down =P
06:13.58Adys"Wheres the FAQ?"
06:14.05DuTempetelol
06:15.20Kalroth"What is a FAQ?"
06:15.27Skosirishaha
06:15.43MalgayneYou people are hurting my case.  :P
06:15.44Kirkburn"Who is FAQ?"
06:15.56DuTempeteWhat about "How do I sign in?"  As far as I know, there's only one place to register/sign-in and that's the home page.
06:16.04DuTempete"Why FAQ?"
06:16.11TecnoBratSkosiris, weird question ... but do you primarily speak english or french?
06:16.15KalrothNope, it's available on all pages, DuTempete
06:16.22KalrothIt's a dropdown from the "Guest" link
06:16.23MalgayneFrench.  :)
06:16.41AdysCanadian, man
06:16.45DuTempeteok, way down at the bottom of the comment form, in small letters doesn't really count.
06:16.50Adysthats a whole lot different
06:16.53KirkburnDid you know: FAQ stands for Faaa Q.
06:16.57TecnoBratMalgayne, thats what I was going to assume .. but I hate assuming
06:16.59DuTempetehehehe
06:17.20TecnoBratAdys, haha yea .. "Canadian French" better?
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06:17.25Adys:D
06:17.29AdysIm just teasing. :)
06:17.32TecnoBratOh I know
06:17.37TecnoBratand I also know you are right
06:17.40SkosirisDuTempete: we plan on improving the upper section of the site, making the signing in process easier
06:17.41KirkburnCanadian french is even worse than normal french ><
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06:17.46KirkburnI mean, c'mon
06:17.58SkosirisKirkburn: don't get me started
06:18.09DuTempeteshit, Quebec?
06:18.10KirkburnOnly the Canadians, eh ;)
06:18.30Adys:)
06:18.44DuTempeteI feel bad for the rest of Canada.
06:19.00TecnoBratDuTempete, both Skosiris and Mystadio are from Quebec
06:19.02Sky2042lol
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06:19.11DuTempeteno shit, Tecnobrat?
06:19.17Adyshttp://adys.stools.net/random/wormsong.mp3
06:19.21Kalrothlol
06:19.45TecnoBratDuTempete, sorry sarcasm detector broken .. yea .. they are :P
06:19.49AdysI just realized ive been listening to this song since the debate started
06:19.53DuTempetelol
06:20.00Sky2042wtf is this adys?
06:20.06Sky2042oooo
06:20.07Adysits the worms song
06:20.10Adysdid you ever play Worms?
06:20.14Sky2042armageddon
06:20.18AdysSee!
06:20.18Sky2042never the original
06:20.19KirkburnDid you get worms, Adys?
06:20.25Adys..
06:20.36Kirkburntwo??
06:20.37TecnoBratI just downloaded a opensource version of worms
06:20.39TecnoBratits okay
06:20.40Sky2042wonder if i can dig up the cd
06:20.44Sky2042i bet i have it somewhere
06:20.52TecnoBratWormux
06:20.54AdysTecnoBrat: what lol
06:20.56DuTempetelol that's amusing, Adys
06:20.57Adyshaha
06:20.59Sky2042shoppa!
06:21.00KirkburnBurying CDs is a silly idea, Sky
06:21.01Sky2042shoppa ftw
06:21.10SkosirisLet's hear some complains about Wowhead now
06:21.13Sky2042i don't bury them intentionaly
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06:21.14Skosiriscomplaints*
06:21.15Sky2042!
06:21.23Miyarihello sunshine
06:21.23Sky2042you need another coder or two :|
06:21.25DuTempetecomplaints?!
06:21.33TecnoBrathttp://www.wormux.org/
06:21.33Sky2042we want what we want now, not later
06:21.35DuTempeteI didn't know I was allowed to have those.
06:21.35Sky2042lol
06:21.38SkosirisI know most Thott/Alla fanbois don't really have a reason for liking the site they use
06:21.51Skosirisbut let's just pretend you use one of the other sites, what is it you hate about Wowhead?
06:22.01DuTempeteMostly, my complaints about Wowhead involve Adys.
06:22.04KirkburnIt's too dark, the font is all wrong, it's too slow, not enough lolcat, my mom said it broke her PC, 13 out of 20 dogs agree it taste worse than pedigree chum.
06:22.04TecnoBratSkosiris, you already know my complaint
06:22.21TecnoBratweighted filters
06:22.24Sky2042its too slow?
06:22.30TecnoBratthe only reason I ever use allahkazammaheafdajfdsa
06:22.37Sky2042truth tecno
06:22.40AdysSkosiris: the faction page lacks junk factions, spell effect pages are non existant (unlike thottbot), there is no way to filter out INGAME items/spells/whatever, user preferences are nearly non existant
06:22.45TecnoBratI would love a light theme, also
06:22.52TecnoBratit allows me to surf while at work
06:22.52MalgayneDon't forget Kirkburn
06:22.55MalgayneWe own it
06:22.56DuTempeteI really don't have any complaints I've discovered as of yet.  Wowhead is everything I ever wanted that Thott and Alla's never had.  Honest.
06:22.57MalgayneThat's a big one
06:22.59TecnoBratand not look like I'm not working
06:23.00TecnoBrat:P
06:23.00Adysand Im serious on all of this :P
06:23.03AdysAh yes
06:23.06AdysItem History
06:23.10Adysallakhazam's goldmine
06:23.10Miyarineeds moar item wishlist -_-
06:23.14MiyariSOMETHING needs it
06:23.15MalgayneSkosiris, I have one
06:23.22Sky2042oh yes, profiling too skosiris
06:23.23Miyariso friggin tired of manually importing items to wowequip
06:23.26TecnoBratOHHHH
06:23.27MalgayneI can give you a lits of features Thottbot has that Wowhead doesn't
06:23.32Miyaricause i have to go to allakhazam
06:23.36MalgayneSmall ones, but features nonetheless
06:23.37Miyariand do that copy xml source crap
06:23.37TecnoBratI would LOVE to see what mobs use certain spells!
06:23.39AdysMalgayne: dont bother, ive already taken care of this
06:23.39Miyariand its a pain in the ass
06:23.40TecnoBratif thats possible
06:23.41Sky2042xml!
06:23.44DuTempetewell, spiti t out, Malgayne
06:23.48KirkburnNoodles!
06:23.54Miyarispeaking of noodles
06:23.54DuTempeteToodles!
06:23.56Miyarihalp with spartanui
06:23.57Sky2042bring it on. thott can't stand up against wowhead
06:23.57Miyari:(
06:23.59AdysJUNK FACTIONS i swear
06:24.01Miyarii wanna break stuff
06:24.06Adysspell comparisons
06:24.09Adysitem histories
06:24.12TecnoBratI mean, if the spell for hateful strike that gruul uses was linked to gruul somehow
06:24.15TecnoBratthat would be really cool
06:24.17AdysSPELL EFFECT PAGES argh
06:24.24Miyaripatchwerk want to play!
06:24.29Malgaynehttp://www.thottbot.com/score/customize
06:24.30Adysyes TecnoBrat that was gonna be attempted at some point
06:24.33TecnoBraterrr hurtful, or whatever
06:24.35DuTempeteyes... wowhead needs a marking feature that allows you to compare stuff
06:24.36TecnoBratyea Adys
06:24.45*** part/#wowhead Bagsy1989 (n=blakebag@18.224.233.220.exetel.com.au)
06:24.55Sky2042i was born that year!
06:24.57TecnoBratMalgayne, yes
06:25.00DuTempeteblah to spell effects and item histories
06:25.12Sky2042item history would be sweet
06:25.12*** kick/#wowhead [DuTempete!i=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-91-11.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] by Adys (Adys)
06:25.13*** join/#wowhead DuTempete (n=chatzill@c-69-243-137-249.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
06:25.19TecnoBratMalgayne, that needs to go with weighted filters
06:25.21Sky2042but blah at spell effects
06:25.38TecnoBratI'm confused at what is missing from spell effects
06:25.39Miyariid like the ability to do what i always do in stupid notebooks
06:25.41TecnoBratcan you explain Adys?
06:25.43Miyariwhich is compare two items
06:25.43AdysTecnoBrat: gimme a sec
06:25.46Miyarilol
06:25.58MalgayneRecursive pricing.  Thottbot will sum the AH buyout/ vendor prices of all the items needed to create a given item, so you can compare that to the AH price of the item itself
06:26.04TecnoBratitem compare would be cool, yes
06:26.06Miyarii need someone to write a page that does that k
06:26.16DuTempeteThott has a catalog of individual effects
06:26.17TecnoBratwith conversions
06:26.18Adyshttp://www.thottbot.com/?e=Apply%20Aura%3A%20Add%20%25%20Modifier%20%28Chance%20to%20Not%20Lose%20Casting%20Time%29
06:26.21Miyarilike i always have to write in my notebook basically what ratingsbuster does
06:26.32TecnoBratlike ... if you equip this item .. you gain x% crit
06:26.35TecnoBratone of the items had agil
06:26.36Adysno
06:26.42TecnoBratthe other had just crit rating
06:26.46TecnoBratthat would be cool anwywas
06:26.54Sky2042mmm, rating -> % conversion?
06:27.01Adysthat too but its different
06:27.03Miyariyeah
06:27.08DuTempeteThe effects are basically categorized by how Blizz considers them
06:27.09MalgayneI also occasionally find that on Thott and on wowhead, a mob will show up in dozens of locations around a zone, and on Allakhazam it'll just have the mob's actual location marked
06:27.15MiyariTecnoBrat: that's what i always have to do lol
06:27.24Miyarii write them down side by side
06:27.28TecnoBratAdys, what is different about that?
06:27.30Miyarithen put like + this / - that on either side lol
06:27.37TecnoBratthe fact that you can find all items with taht spell?
06:27.37Miyarithen i have to factor in benefits from stats ><
06:27.41KirkburnDuTempete, and depending on what day it was, and who the dev was :P
06:27.47TecnoBratI'm not sure what part is missing on WH thats all
06:27.51DuTempetehehe
06:28.00Miyarianyone using spartanui that could help me break it
06:28.13TecnoBratI can
06:28.14Miyarii wanna disable the entire player / target frame
06:28.17KirkburnDelete random lines
06:28.18TecnoBratgo to your interface folter
06:28.20MiyariLOL
06:28.20TecnoBratdelete it
06:28.20Miyarino
06:28.21AdysTecnoBrat: this is all items having Apply Aura: Add % Modifier (Chance to Not Lose Casting Time)
06:28.22MiyariNO
06:28.24TecnoBratget something goo
06:28.24Miyarii like it dammit
06:28.26TecnoBratgood*
06:28.28Adysyou cant do that on wowhead
06:28.28Miyarii just dont want to use the unit frames
06:28.42Miyaribut if you even so much as sneeze near DUF
06:28.43Adysanyway
06:28.45TecnoBratOhhhh right it only has specific spells on wowhead
06:28.49TecnoBratnot "effects"
06:28.50Adysye
06:28.51Miyarithe entire infrastructure goes kaboom
06:28.52TecnoBratgotcha
06:28.56TecnoBratsorry, i wasn't following
06:29.18TecnoBratI was making a boss article once
06:29.19DuTempeteOh, I think I misunerstood you, too, Adys
06:29.19Kirkburndamn foo
06:29.33TecnoBratand I thought to myself, "what if I could find all of the spells this boss uses?!?"
06:29.51TecnoBratthats where the idea about linking spells to the mobs that use them came from :P
06:29.59DuTempetewhatchoo talkin bout willis?!
06:30.08SkosirisTecnoBrat: you will be able to rejoice soonish
06:30.13TecnoBratwoot
06:30.24AdysSkosiris: serious?
06:30.34Adysi mean
06:30.39AdysSkosiris: hurry up slacker!
06:30.42TecnoBrathahaha
06:30.46DuTempeteArgh, it's getting late.  I think I'm going to go cuddle up to [Kirkburn's Robes] soon.
06:30.55KirkburnThey so snuggly!
06:31.01Miyarii agree Tecno
06:31.14AdysSkosiris: new features ive been asking for since months :P
06:31.18KirkburnThis [DuTempete's Fedora] don't keep me so warm
06:31.19TecnoBratSkosiris, I want the features you sent in that screenshot!
06:31.22Miyarilike http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=35354
06:31.30Kirkburnzomg, screenshot
06:31.34KirkburnIt's all coming out now
06:31.48KirkburnHow long have you been hiding this, man?
06:31.53TecnoBratlol
06:32.01AdysSkosiris: want a quick recap?
06:32.15MalgayneI have to go now
06:32.22AdysMalgayne: have fun!
06:32.24MalgayneMy wife jsut asked me to finish her paper
06:32.25Malgayne:P
06:32.27DuTempeteKirk, my fedora isn't meant to cover all of you...
06:32.29MalgayneWhich is due by midnight
06:32.42DuTempeteum, isn't it an hour late, Mal?
06:32.44KirkburnDuTempete, oh.
06:32.47DuTempete1.5 hours...
06:33.08Adysjust out of my mind, a few features i asked for since at least two months
06:33.12Adysspell effect pages
06:33.19Adysscreenshot yes/no filter
06:33.25MalgaynePST
06:33.29KirkburnNot he's in ... er ... a place near the international date line, but on the east side of it
06:33.31Adyspersonalizable filters
06:33.35DuTempeteoh, so you're not in quebec
06:33.38Adysprofile screenshots
06:33.39Malgayne:D
06:33.41MalgayneSanta monica
06:33.43Malgaynelater all
06:33.45DuTempetelater
06:33.46Kirkburn20mins!
06:33.52Kirkburnzomg
06:34.05Adysreputation junk filter
06:34.11Skosiris"a few features i asked for since at least two months"
06:34.12Adyspreference page with defaults
06:34.29Kirkburnlolcat of the day
06:34.31AdysYes my dear :P
06:34.44SkosirisI don't feel like slacking, at all  :P
06:34.54Kirkburngood, good
06:34.56AdysYou cant whine Im doing as much as I can too :P
06:35.28T-MetalSkosiris: MSN...
06:35.28KalrothProcrastinating is my main occupation!
06:35.28Miyari:O
06:35.32DuTempeteI just love watching you boys scurrying about, working so hard. :)
06:35.41Kirkburnbwahahahaha
06:36.01DuTempeteExcept for Kirkburn.  He's not allowed to work.
06:36.14TecnoBratyea so, I'd love to see: filter weightings, item history, spell => mob, xml for all pages, random enchantment items, test server vs live server, and then the two features I saw in the screenshot
06:36.16KirkburnNaturally.
06:36.30AdysTecnoBrat: i asked for filter weightings
06:36.33Adysi asked for item history
06:36.40Adysi asked for spell per-mob tab
06:36.47Adysi asked for general xmls
06:36.56Adysi asked for random enchantment filters and pages
06:36.58KirkburnAnd you got specific html :O
06:37.05Adysi asked for PTR/Live separation
06:37.07DuTempeteWhy not?!
06:37.11TecnoBratSkosiris, oh I know
06:37.12KirkburnCan you at least bake them?
06:37.13TecnoBratbut you asked!
06:37.15DuTempeteOMGZ, work harder, Sko!
06:37.17KalrothSee, Adys really is a meanie.
06:37.18Adysand I dont know what screenshot you're talking about
06:37.26Adysbut i probably asked him too :P
06:37.27KirkburnEven a reheated stew will do
06:37.38DuTempeteMmm... shepherd's pie...
06:37.54TecnoBratSkosiris, you asked for complaints!@
06:37.56Kirkburnmmm
06:38.02Skosirislol
06:38.07Kirkburnpie
06:38.17KirkburnAh yes, moar lolpie
06:38.18DuTempetewhat sort of pie, Kirk?
06:38.44DuTempetethink hard about that, Kirk
06:38.46SkosirisTecnoBrat: how often is the stats page updated?
06:38.53KirkburnUm
06:38.54DuTempeteIf you get it wrong, I'm taking the whip back.
06:38.57KalrothDon't listen to Adys, Skosiris. Just put her requests on the NODO list while all the important ones on your TODO list. Like a pink colour scheme for the site. It'd be much prettier than the current dark one.
06:39.34KirkburnOne way could certainly get him into trouble
06:39.42DuTempetelol
06:39.49Skosirislol
06:39.53Adys:\
06:40.03Kirkburn>_>
06:40.10Kalrothhahaha
06:40.11Adyshaha I cant either
06:40.11TecnoBratSkosiris, every night
06:40.16TecnoBratI could run it now
06:40.17DuTempetejeez, do you already have april fools planned?
06:40.27TecnoBratits runs at like 3am or something
06:40.27AdysI got one ready for wowwiki
06:40.30Adysyou wont like it
06:40.32KirkburnIt's totally going to be lolpie
06:40.34DuTempeteI wont?
06:40.37DuTempetelol
06:40.38T-MetalSkosiris: Do you actually read MSN? or should I just PM you on here? =P
06:40.38AdysHell no :P
06:40.40KirkburnBut will I?
06:40.49KirkburnAnd have I heard it before?
06:41.14Sky2042oh, he's gone.
06:41.16Sky2042yay
06:41.16DuTempetehehe
06:41.20KirkburnPARTAY!
06:41.25Sky2042wooooo
06:41.37*** join/#wowhead Adys|sleep (i=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-91-11.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr)
06:41.37*** mode/#wowhead [+o Adys|sleep] by ChanServ
06:41.41Kalrothd'oh
06:41.41KirkburnNOOOOOooooo
06:41.44KirkburnHide the drugs!
06:41.49Adys|sleepshit
06:41.49Skosirisis adys gone?
06:41.55Skosirisoh
06:41.57AdysHere goes my computer uptime epeen
06:42.17DuTempeteyour epeen stays up?
06:42.18KirkburnWow, what an epeen
06:42.28AdysKirkburn: almost a month :(
06:43.02DuTempetelol
06:43.08Adys..
06:43.28DuTempetesounds like the poor boy needs it.
06:43.30KalrothKirkburn: You don't know what an epeen is? You newbie!
06:43.33DuTempeteWhat a shame, to have it go so young.
06:43.47KalrothD'oh.
06:43.49Adys.
06:43.53KalrothOkay, now I won't explain it.
06:43.56DuTempeteshall I draw you a picture, Sko? =P
06:44.02Skosirisnah, I'm good
06:44.04KalrothI don't want to make Sko look like a newbie :P
06:44.06SkosirisI guessed it lol
06:44.06Adyslol
06:44.10TecnoBrat(Operating system) Microsoft Windows XP Professional (SP2), version 5.1.2600 (58 processes running, 871.37MB free RAM, installed 1y 45w 2d 5h 28m 7s ago, 1w 9h 22m 2s uptime, 3w 6d 10h 52s uptime record)
06:44.11DuTempetelol
06:44.11Adyshe's canadian
06:44.14Adyshe got an excuse
06:44.22Adysfuck you TecnoBrat  :P
06:44.23DuTempetethey don't have epeens in Canadia? =P
06:44.24TecnoBrat3w6d aint bad
06:44.31KalrothCanadian french by any chance? :)
06:44.34Kirkburnooh, close
06:44.50AdysOh wait
06:44.52KirkburnI manage about a week on my very old, very broken XP laptop
06:44.53T-MetalLol
06:44.59AdysI read that as 1y 45w uptime
06:45.01Skosirishttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=epeen
06:45.01Adys<shrugs>
06:45.07TecnoBratlol Adys
06:45.15TecnoBratMy FBSD box had a 2 year uptime
06:45.19SkosirisThey have a pretty good definition up
06:45.22AdysWell
06:45.29AdysI did have to reformat
06:45.35DuTempetenow that isn't quite correct
06:45.43KirkburnDoes it have images?
06:46.12Skosirisnope
06:46.13TecnoBratup 53 days, 14:12
06:46.18TecnoBrat:(
06:46.28DuTempeteimages of epeens?
06:46.30KalrothI had a laptop with linux, that had over 500 days of uptime. It could run for up to 20 hours without power too! But I never used it, so I decided to bin it ><
06:46.32TecnoBratI don't even remember why I rebotted it
06:46.41Adyslol
06:47.07KirkburnRe-re-bot, een bo selecta
06:47.11TecnoBratwow Draenor sucks!
06:47.17KirkburnYeah, IT BLEW UP
06:47.21TecnoBratI've been spammed with like 10 guild charter requests
06:47.22AdysOutlands is so much better!
06:47.29KirkburnBEAT YOU HAHA
06:47.32DuTempetewhat, Adys?
06:47.36Adyslol
06:47.36TecnoBratAdys: Outland*
06:47.40KirkburnAlso /kick for the plural
06:47.40Kalrothhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=srsly&i=1 I'm probably just tired, but that owl picture makes me laugh :)
06:47.46DuTempetekick him!!!
06:47.50AdysTecnoBrat: fix your sarcasm detector
06:47.54KirkburnSkosiris!
06:48.03Kirkburnplz
06:48.07TecnoBratI told you, its broken!
06:48.33SkosirisKirkburn: yes?
06:48.38KirkburnKick Adys :(
06:48.42Skosirisoh
06:48.45*** kick/#wowhead [Skosiris!i=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-91-11.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] by Adys (no.)
06:48.45*** join/#wowhead Skosiris (n=dgsg@modemcable155.156-83-70.mc.videotron.ca)
06:48.46*** mode/#wowhead [+o Skosiris] by ChanServ
06:48.46DuTempeteROFFLZ YOU DEDZ!!1
06:48.50*** kick/#wowhead [Adys!n=dgsg@modemcable155.156-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] by Skosiris (Skosiris)
06:48.50*** join/#wowhead Adys (i=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-91-11.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr)
06:48.50*** mode/#wowhead [+o Adys] by ChanServ
06:48.56KirkburnHARHAR
06:48.59KalrothOp war!
06:49.03AdysI WAS FURST
06:49.12KirkburnNow, where's Mankirk's husband?
06:49.24DuTempeteOMGZ TEY GANK ME SAVE ME PLZ!!11
06:49.30Kalrothhaha
06:49.32*** mode/#wowhead [-o Skosiris] by Adys
06:49.37Adysnow what do you do?!
06:49.39Kirkburno_O
06:49.43*** mode/#wowhead [+o Skosiris] by Adys
06:49.43Skosiris:(
06:49.46Skosiris:)
06:49.46KalrothOh it's on
06:49.52Kirkburn:D
06:50.24DuTempeted00d BEs have the hawtest azz.
06:50.42AdysI KNEW IT DUTEMPETE IS NOT A GURL!
06:50.43DuTempeteI dun care if I play a gurl cuz I get to look at her azz!
06:51.07DuTempeteAdys, you ned to think about that harder.
06:51.38Skosirisneds?
06:51.57DuTempetetypo, Sko
06:52.01DuTempetesleepy fingers
06:52.25AdysStop putting your fingers anywhere and use them wisely, they'll be less sleepy
06:52.36TecnoBrathttp://worldofcryingcraft.ytmnd.com/
06:52.40TecnoBratLOL
06:53.06Adysthats been linked on wowinsider about three months ago TecnoBrat !
06:53.23DuTempetespeaking of what Adys needs to think harder about... how is the housemate, Kirkburn?
06:53.30Adyslol
06:53.55KirkburnUm, sorry to say but .... One of his friend's died :/
06:54.13DuTempeteAnd I can't help using my fingers that way when I cuddle with [Kirkburn's Robes].
06:54.20KirkburnOooh, baby
06:54.20DuTempeteI think you've got the wrong housemate, Kirk.
06:54.28KirkburnOh, THAT housemate
06:54.29DuTempeteBut that's sad all the same :(
06:54.38KirkburnShe's good ;)
06:54.42Skosirisis this a set?
06:54.53Skosiris"Vestments of the Kirkburn"
06:54.54KirkburnYou gotta catch em all
06:54.56Skosiris[Kirkburn's Whip] + [Kirkburn's Robes]
06:55.08DuTempetePokemon!
06:55.12KirkburnYou get plusses to Domination
06:55.12Skosirislol
06:55.15AdysSkosiris: want some wdbs? :P
06:55.32SkosirisAdys: tomorrow, please
06:55.53AdysI was just kidding, meant wdbs with kirkburn's vestments
06:56.03Skosirisjust pushed boubouille's wdb: http://www.wowhead.com/?latest=additions
06:56.04TecnoBrathes too busy today ignoring our complaints!
06:56.06TecnoBrat:PPP
06:56.42AdysSkosiris: 20592 ingame=0
06:56.42TecnoBratWTF@ [DNT] L70ETC Mai'Kyl Controller
06:56.57DuTempeteHrmm... that's a good idea, Sko... I need to create a new wiki article, now.
06:57.10AdysTecnoBrat: Do Not Translate Level 70 Elite Tauren Chieften Controller Non Player Character of Mai'Kyl
06:57.12DuTempete[[Kirkburn's Vestments]]
06:57.33Adyss/chieften/chieftain/
06:57.34KirkburnLol, totally add fake items
06:57.40KirkburnTo Wowhead
06:57.43Kirkburn*cough*
06:57.45DuTempetelol
06:57.47Skosirisfake items?
06:57.48*** join/#wowhead Thrae (i=generalm@c-68-49-121-90.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
06:57.54Skosiriswhere ? :D
06:57.55DuTempeteofc not to the wiki... why would I do that? =P
06:58.01Kirkburn:D
06:58.06AdysKirkburn: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=5418#comments:id=136835
06:58.10AdysI discovered it myself!!
06:58.12Adys<3
06:58.21Adysbtw its linkable even on live realms lol
06:58.36AdysKalroth: was gonna link you it earlier on but you were offline :(
06:58.39*** join/#wowhead Malgayne (n=Malladin@cpe-76-80-162-212.socal.res.rr.com)
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06:58.44Kalrothaww
06:58.45Adyswb Malgayne
06:58.49MalgayneI would just like to say
06:58.50KalrothI've been online all night!
06:59.02MalgayneThat I padded that paper out from 6 pages to 8
06:59.05Miyariwhoever told me to get pitbull i hate you
06:59.06DuTempete*Kirkburn's Vestments* include [[Kirkburn's Robes]] and [[Kirkburn's Whip]].  They are fabled to be in the hands of [[User:DuTempete]], but she doesn't like to share.
06:59.06Malgaynein 30 mins
06:59.09Miyari:(
06:59.22Thrae!i 2232
06:59.24MalgayneThat is all
06:59.24AdysKalroth: is it only me imagining Malgayne with Fin's voice?
06:59.31MalgayneYou may return to your posts
06:59.39ThraeHmmmmm
06:59.42AdysI mean, it's the same person i swear
06:59.47*** join/#wowhead ThraeBot (i=generalm@c-68-49-121-90.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
06:59.49Malgayneinfobot, Malgayne also padded that paper out from 6 pages to 8 in 30 minutes.
06:59.54Adyslol thrae
07:00.03ThraeForgot to add this channel to the default list
07:00.06Malgayneah well
07:00.07DuTempeteAlso said to be in possession of [[Mistress DuTempete]] are [[Adys's Leather Mask]], and [[Adys's Leash]].
07:00.09MalgayneLater all.  :)
07:00.11KalrothAdys: I'm not that familiar with Fin's voice, but their typing is similar :P
07:00.14Adyslaters Malgayne
07:00.22DuTempetenight, again
07:00.22Adysya right
07:00.25AdysITS YOU FIN
07:00.33KalrothAdys: He's busy fixing Prat at the moment, so nope :)
07:00.35AdysI swear.
07:00.42ThraeAdys: Is Fox or Kaso bot ever in here?
07:00.44KalrothI'm grouped with him ingame at the moment
07:00.49Adysnot afaik thrae
07:00.54ThraeAdys: OK
07:00.56AdysKalroth: tell him I met his twin
07:01.08KirkburnDoes DuTempete share with me?
07:01.47DuTempeteKirkburn's Vestments are an Admin only set.  They provide the wearer with +10345 to [[Domination]].
07:01.52DuTempeteBoP, sorry.
07:01.55KirkburnWoohoo
07:02.44AdysTecnoBrat: that wormux is awesome
07:02.56TecnoBrathahah
07:03.00KirkburnLol, reminded me of this: http://www.google.com/search?q=sims+woohoo
07:03.16AdysGiant Rabbit Watches Old Sims Woohoo - Sims 2
07:03.22DuTempetelol Kirk
07:05.12DuTempete[[Shrine of Kirkburn]]
07:05.14KalrothAdys
07:05.18Kalroth09:01:20 [6] <Kalroth>: Adys says he met your twin btw
07:05.18Kalroth09:01:30 [6] <Kalroth>: (Don't ask, long story :)
07:05.18Kalroth09:02:47 [6] <Phyn>: I want it noted for the record that saying "Adys says he met your twin" and then telling me not to ask is asking a lot! :P
07:05.28Sky2042ok kirkburn, you can be an adult now in #wowwiki
07:05.30Sky2042:P
07:05.40Adyshaha
07:05.50Adystell him to log ts
07:05.51Kirkburnhaha
07:06.31DuTempeteoooh... ts?
07:08.40Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=33219&refresh wtf @ cooldown :P
07:09.00Adysthats not handy for ts
07:09.04KirkburnSo when are you coming to the UK again?
07:09.14DuTempetein 4 years
07:09.28DuTempetebut I don't have a couch in GB, yet. :(
07:09.37DuTempetejust Scotland :(
07:09.49KalrothWhere real men wears kilts
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07:10.10AdysKalroth: tell fin to log ts already!
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07:10.18KalrothAdys: I did!
07:10.23Adyswell what a slacker!
07:11.06KirkburnSky2042, kilts
07:11.14KirkburnWindy day
07:11.18KirkburnCold
07:11.19Sky2042evil man
07:11.22DuTempetelol
07:11.32KirkburnI'll make it all better
07:11.34KirkburnMe.
07:11.38DuTempetethat's what tartan shorts are for :)
07:11.42Kalrothhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkDuYYP0aU hahah
07:11.55KirkburnI can't watch youtube :(
07:12.05DuTempeteindistinguishable from the kilt, and smart. :)
07:13.04Sky2042oh well. i wear a speedo as a half-time job, so i shouldn't be complaining
07:13.07Sky2042:P
07:13.22DuTempeteSwim coach?
07:13.29DuTempeteor brave lifeguard?
07:13.31KirkburnWaitasec, DuTempete for this: "but I don't have a couch in GB, yet. :( ... just Scotland :(" ... RAWR! And I'm not even Scottish
07:13.47KirkburnModel?
07:13.53Sky2042swimmer. job as in "i work 20 hours a week, and i don't even get paid for it" :P
07:13.53DuTempetelol
07:14.09DuTempeteah, so competitive swimming, been there, done that.
07:14.14DuTempetemiss it greatly :(
07:14.16Sky2042as for lifeguard, i do that too. :)
07:14.24Sky2042that actually earns me money.
07:14.34DuTempeteI never assumed you were Scottish, Kirk.
07:15.02KirkburnNo, the inference that Bonnie Scotland isn't part of GB :P
07:15.24KirkburnIreland I could have forgiven
07:15.41DuTempeteNot according to the Scots it isn't... or am I getting one of the many names for England incorrect?
07:15.43KirkburnWales would have got my other housemate knocking at your door ^^
07:15.48DuTempetelol
07:15.56KirkburnGreat Britain = NI, Eng, Scot, Wales
07:16.05DuTempetenorth ireland?
07:16.10Kirkburnaye
07:16.24DuTempeteumm... what about south ireland? lol
07:16.56DuTempeteAnd sorry, I was trying to be globally correct, and just fucked it up. =P
07:16.57KirkburnHmm, NI may not be counted
07:17.14KirkburnUK = NI, E, S, W
07:17.19KirkburnGB = E, S, W
07:17.35KirkburnIreland is separate republic
07:17.38DuTempetewould be interesting, considering south ireland is closer to England/Scotland than North ireland. =P
07:17.54KirkburnThey rebelled!
07:18.03DuTempeteBut we all know the Irish are fucked up. =P
07:18.08KalrothAdys: Tell Fin to look ingame!
07:18.14Adysbah
07:18.14Adysomw
07:18.20Adyshe's not on ts :(
07:18.21Kalrothnm, got him!
07:18.30Adysbug him again
07:18.37DuTempeteOk, so to rephrase what I was saying, I hav a couch in Scotland, not in England.
07:18.48KalrothHe uhh, said he hates frenchies so no!
07:18.55DuTempeterofl
07:19.58AdysKalroth: did you check out wormux?
07:20.01Adysseriously
07:20.27KirkburnI'm sure a couch could be found her--...there
07:21.11DuTempetewell, can't make any plans without knowing for sure :)
07:21.25KirkburnIn four years ...
07:21.51KalrothAdys: Who?
07:22.07Adyshttp://www.wormux.org/wiki/en/index.php
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07:26.33MalludaHey is there ne BlackSmithers - Weaponsmithers here?
07:26.33skizmis it better than gunbound
07:26.49skizmdepending on what you want, i might fit that description
07:26.56KalrothMalluda: I am
07:27.42MalludaWell im trying to decide if I should become a Weaponsmith - or Armorsmith
07:27.43Sky2042you gotta be shitting me adys
07:27.45Sky2042lol
07:27.49skizmweaponsmith
07:27.51MalludaFor my warrior.
07:28.01DuTempeteok, bed time
07:28.11`-`form blazing noobherald!
07:28.16`-`voltron!
07:28.21skizmarmorsmith is worthless tbh
07:28.58MalludaI mean, I am leveling him to 70 and im not too sure how the armor gets in the future..But I do know that Weaponsmith gets some nice weapons
07:29.09TecnoBrat<LONG and HORDE>
07:29.51skizmbest humorous name i've seen was a rogue on PTR named Motors
07:29.53skizmpvp rank General
07:29.59Corganlawl
07:30.03MalludaLike I am not too familiar with how the whole 2h sword works
07:30.13Malludaor 2h mace or 2h Axe
07:30.14`-`go mace
07:30.16MalludaLol
07:30.28MalludaGeneral Motors
07:30.30Malludahaha
07:30.43skizmdepends what you're doing but most of the warriors i played with in pvp said they didn't crit enough with maces
07:30.44TecnoBrataxe isn't that great for pvp, because of all of the resilence
07:31.06skizmi've always said sword spec is the best for pvp but
07:31.11TecnoBratmace is nice because the proc allows you to get that extra hit before the guy runs away
07:31.21Kirkburnnight all
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07:31.25TecnoBratsword is nice .. cause its not effected by resilene
07:31.30MalludaGood Night.
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07:31.36skizmbut it doesn't give you extra burst damage so he can just get healed
07:31.54Malludai c
07:32.05bahadirhey
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07:32.24MalludaSo for my warrior im going to do alot of PvE and some PvP. You guys all suggest i go Mace Spec?
07:32.25skizmsword is the best for burst damage now because of resilience, mace is good for 1v1 or 2v2 which isn't that important, axes are good for pve
07:32.39skizmi'd go axes for mainly pve
07:32.44MalludaI c
07:33.11skizmand don't let anybody try to fool you, fury spec is worthless for pvp
07:33.11MalludaHow does Resilience affect stuff...Isnt Resilience the % so u dont get hit
07:33.12Malluda?
07:33.27skizmno, it decreases the chance for you to be crit
07:33.36skizmand also the damage that crits deal to you
07:33.44MalludaOh
07:34.17Malludaso Resilience isnt really that good...for Fury cause they want crits..Right?
07:34.24Malludacause of flurry
07:34.40skizmit's bad for a fury warrior to be fighting someone with resilience, yes
07:34.42MalludaSo now I see why Fury warriors arent good pvP
07:34.45Malludaoh
07:34.55skizmthey aren't good anyway, because of no mortal strike
07:35.12skizmmortal strike is like top 5 pvp abilities, you need it in your group in arena or you will fail
07:35.20Malludai c
07:35.27TecnoBrata good MS warrior runs the team
07:35.32Malludai c
07:35.33TecnoBratthey chose kill targets etc
07:35.36Malludabut for leveling
07:35.39TecnoBratbecause of the debuff
07:35.52skizmfor leveling you can do whatever you want, you're choosing a weapon spec for level 70
07:35.54MalludaI should go Fury or Arms?
07:35.57Malludaya
07:36.10skizma lot of the leveling i did on my warrior was fury
07:36.17skizmbut i had a healer with me all the time
07:36.20Malludaya
07:36.29MalludaThats what I got
07:36.33MalludaI got a Drood helpin me
07:36.51skizmfury takes a bit more damage but you can do a lot of dps easily against multiple targets, etc
07:37.24MalludaOk lets say for arguments sake...I wanted to take on Multiple Targets (2-4) and still not get wrecked.
07:37.44`-`mace
07:37.46MalludaWhat would be an ideal spec..fury for DW or arms for 2h..or Prot
07:37.47`-`>:D
07:38.02skizmprot is out of the question for leveling
07:38.05Malludahaha
07:38.17`-`anyone know if cleave can proc mace stun on multiple target?
07:38.24skizmit's not that important for leveling
07:38.27Malludathat would b insane
07:38.28skizmif you're on a pvp server definitely go arms
07:38.35Malludathat i am
07:38.45Malludafor leveling ? or at the end?
07:38.53`-`there's no end..
07:38.57Malludahaha
07:38.59`-`blizzard will make us all level till lv1000
07:39.03skizmfor leveling, because then you won't suck at not getting ganked
07:39.03Malludaprob
07:39.05`-`sadistic bastards..
07:39.16Malludatrue...
07:39.30Malludaas arms how should my gear look like?
07:39.31skizmi killed a level 70 rogue when i was level 61 as an arms warrior ;p
07:39.34`-`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28442#comments <-- look at the stats on that t(>_<)t
07:39.49skizmtoo many questions it's almost 4am somebody else take over plz
07:39.55skizmgoodnight!
07:40.21MalludaGood Night man
07:40.26MalludaThanks for your help
07:40.30MalludaIts been really great.
07:40.49MalludaAh SH
07:40.54MalludaThats nice
07:40.57`-`aka noobherald
07:41.14Malludahaha
07:41.18MalludaWhy?
07:41.41`-`it's too good ._.
07:41.53Malludahaha
07:42.12Malludacan u make that before or after Deep Thunder?
07:42.16Malludaor is it a Recipe Drop?
07:42.28`-`after deep
07:42.33Malludai c
07:43.01TecnoBratnight all
07:43.03Sky2042skosiris, you should make the word thottbot.com ping you in here. that way, you can berate anyone who dares link the site on this channel.
07:43.05Sky2042:D
07:43.19MalludaGood Night
07:44.50MalludaHey quick question, its a random Computer question.  How can you get rid of the Blue screen of Death while not having any thing to actually clear it up?
07:44.56Skosirislol
07:45.11SkosirisSky2042: will do
07:45.34Skosiristhott
07:45.44Skosiristry daring
07:45.49Kalroththottbot rules!
07:45.57Skosirishah, highlithed in red
07:45.58`-`th0ttb0t
07:46.02Skosiris(red meaning bad)
07:46.03Corganthottbot? o.O
07:46.04Kalroth:(
07:46.11Skosiristry a url
07:46.13Corganwhat faggotry has been uttered in this channel
07:46.20SkosirisMalluda: no clue
07:46.22Sky2042exactly, corgan
07:46.23Corganthottbot.com/?i=gay
07:46.25Sky2042:]
07:46.28Skosirisworks
07:46.37CorganI love my thottbot -> wowhead greasemonkey script
07:46.47Corganchanges all links on the page from thottbot to wowhead
07:46.48Corgan:)
07:46.53KalrothApart from that, there is actually some functionality that thottbot does better than wowhead and I still visit it on occasions
07:46.54Corganand i wub it
07:47.47T-MetalRofl, only Gregory House would fake cancer to get high.
07:48.32MalludaThanks Skosiris.
07:48.52SkosirisMalluda: I really don't know :(
07:49.08MalludaLol...I meant it seriously
07:49.28MalludaSo MS warrior ftw/
07:51.05Kalrothhaha
07:51.21MalludaBtw where can i get Nether Vortex?
07:51.27KalrothSSC or TK
07:51.45MalludaOnly there/
07:51.49KalrothYup
07:52.02KalrothIt's a BoP item that drops from trash and Vashj/Kael'thas
07:52.27Malludadamn
07:52.36MalludaSo it would take me forever to get SH on my Warrior
07:52.38Malludahaha
07:52.52KalrothThe tier 3 version, aye
07:53.03KalrothBut tier 2 are still good weapons
07:53.09MalludaDeep Thunder?
07:53.39MalludaDT is nice
07:53.45KalrothI think that's tier 1 two-hand mace, no?
07:54.00Malludawait i thought Thunder is tier
07:54.01Malluda1
07:54.05KalrothNope, it's tier 2
07:54.15KalrothYeah, my bad. I'm an axesmith myself ;)
07:54.21Malludahaha
07:54.26Malludaand your a warrioR?
07:54.30KalrothYessir
07:54.40KalrothAnd I'm lucky enough to have both tier 3 axes :)
07:54.57Malludareally?
07:55.32MalludaCan you link me them? I cant seem to be able to find end game made weapons or gear.
07:55.58KalrothYou mean an armory?
07:56.10Malludano
07:56.16Malludalike at WoWhead
07:56.20Kalrothhttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=28433 is the 1H axe
07:56.30Kalrothhttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=28436 is the 2H axe
07:57.24MalludaWow thats hot.
07:57.53KalrothYup, they're both very nice weapons
07:58.00Malludaso u PvE with them or PvP?
07:58.11KalrothPvE, I don't PvP much, if ever
07:58.27KalrothMy spec doesn't allow for effective PvP anyways ;)
07:58.50Kalrothhttp://www.eu-warrior.com/wal/?n=Kalroth&r=Stormrage&w=EU
07:59.06KalrothSorry, old habit :p
07:59.07Kalrothhttp://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Kalroth
07:59.45MalludaAre you on a PvP server?
07:59.54KalrothNope, it's a PvE server
08:00.04MalludaI c.
08:00.21Malludaya i like to PvE my self
08:00.42Malludabut im on a pvp server...and loads of ppl told me to go Mace spec cause itll help u
08:00.54Malludabut i dont pvp... *_*
08:01.01KalrothYup, until it gets nerfed, Mace is best in PvP
08:01.22KalrothFor PvE, I'd go with either Axe if you're a dps warrior or Sword if you're a tank.
08:02.08MalludaUltimatly i would like to Tank
08:02.12Malludabut DPS is fun
08:02.44Malluda2k ap and 31% 2 crit
08:02.48KalrothBoth our maintanks use http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28427 for tanking, it's a very nice tanking sword
08:02.55Malluda<PROTECTED>
08:03.25Malludawen is a good time to level BS
08:03.30Malludaon my way to 70
08:03.39KalrothOnce you've got an epic mount :)
08:03.40Malludaor later on wen im 70?
08:04.25Malludahaha
08:04.33KalrothIt's very expensive to level past 350 without an epic mount
08:04.35Malludaso the gear early on isnt to great
08:04.39Malludaoh
08:04.55KalrothNope, it's pretty much useless before you hit 375 blacksmithing
08:05.09KalrothYou can get a lot better items from questing, than you can make
08:05.10Malludaok WoW
08:05.11Malludahah
08:05.20Malludaok then so epic mount then
08:05.21Malludalol
08:05.24Malludashould i go
08:05.34Malludamining and sumtin else for now
08:05.36Malludaor keep BS
08:05.43KalrothWhat's your blacksmith level at?
08:06.19Malluda0
08:06.24Malludahavnt picked it up yet
08:06.35Malludaim currently levelin up a warrior from scratch
08:06.48Malludahes 6!!
08:07.12Malludadont take me wrong i do no how to play..just not a warrior
08:07.15KalrothOkay, then go with Mining/Herbalism to begin with. It's a pain with two different trackers though, but on my alt I usually go with herbalism on and just find nodes by looking
08:07.29Kalrothfind veins*
08:07.29Malludathats wat i was thinking
08:07.41Malludaherbalism will help out my main
08:07.46Malluda70 shaman ftw haha
08:08.22KalrothThat should easily get you at least 3k gold by the time you hit 70. Then there's quests in Netherstorm and Shadowmoon Valley which will give you 10-15g per quest at 70
08:08.56Malludaya
08:09.04Malludawell assuming i saved  all that gol
08:09.04Malludahaha
08:09.13KalrothStay away from AH ;)
08:09.20Malludafunny thing is i want my warrior to have epic mount b4 i want my
08:09.22Malludashaman to have it
08:09.23Malludahaha
08:10.07Malludahow do arms warrior do in PvE?
08:10.12Malludaon PvP server
08:10.43KalrothThey are doing nicely, they did very good, but since wind fury got nerfed, not that good anymore
08:11.29MalludaAh
08:12.29Malludabut 2h dps in raids
08:12.40Malludaare ne where near affective
08:12.50Malludaas DW dps?
08:13.00Kalroth2H dps in raids was equal to DW dps, it's not anymore
08:13.09Malludaoh
08:13.10Malluda?
08:13.15Malludanerfed?
08:13.20KalrothYes
08:13.25Malludabadly?
08:14.33KalrothEnough for it to be noticeable :)
08:14.54Malludahehe
08:16.01Malludain ur spec
08:16.07Malludahow good are u in DPS
08:16.32Malludain Raids
08:16.42Malludai mean hving 21 pts in prot..
08:16.59Malludamakes ur survivability much greater from what im seeing..right?
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08:23.33MalludaOK wll ty
08:23.36MalludaIll talk to u guys late
08:23.42Malludathanks for all the help
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08:27.11iamgodbah...anyone know why the reagent icons are TINY as hell now?
08:27.35iamgod=(
08:31.45`-`because you touch yourself at night...
08:31.54`-`sorry couldn't resist..
08:32.25Kalrothiamgod: You're god, just undo it!
08:33.06iamgodI obviously chose a bad name to ask that kind of question
08:33.09iamgodlol
08:33.20KalrothAnd they're tiny because they don't have to be big, use mouse and hover over them!
08:33.26iamgodseriously though...why did they change it
08:33.46KalrothI think it was because of a change to quest listings, I'm not sure though
08:34.01iamgodI ask because I'm used to seeing what I need to make the item and how many of each
08:34.19Kalrothhttp://www.wowhead.com/?search=show like this
08:34.22iamgodI don't like the fact that I have to squint now in order to look and see what I need to make _____
08:35.01iamgodand how many of each thing
08:35.03iamgodblah blah blah
08:35.05KalrothWhat resolution do you run in?
08:35.18KalrothI'm 1600x1200 on a 22" monitor and they don't seem small to me
08:35.23iamgod1680 1050
08:35.40iamgodhm
08:35.45iamgodbecause
08:35.47iamgodthey weren't small
08:35.50iamgodlike a few days ago
08:35.59iamgodthey just got small...recently
08:36.11iamgodI dont know if its wowhead or something I changed
08:36.18iamgodI doubt it's on my side
08:36.29KalrothI'm pretty sure it's something on wowheads side
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09:19.20AdysAny idea which program the author of the lfg comic uses? a friend asking me -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpSLRNWWrOI
09:20.58MalludaUmmm
09:21.00Malluda1 min
09:21.22Malludaim on dial up here so itll be a while for my response
09:21.27Malluda^_^
09:22.25Malludato actually get the color in there
09:22.31Malluda?
09:23.26Malludai thnk i got it
09:24.01Adysnvm
09:24.05Adyshe sais in the comments its photoshop
09:25.34Malludano sry i was rong
09:26.16Malludathen iw as right
09:26.18Malludahah
09:29.33Malludahey wat new patches came out in the past mnth
09:29.38Malludaive been away , and i still am
09:29.41Malludane 1 no
09:31.22`-`what version are u at?
09:34.38Malludai got no clue
09:34.46Malludathe last time i played at my house was at
09:34.57Malludain* july
09:36.58Malludaso ya
09:39.44Malludane whow
09:39.46Malludawho*
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10:31.54RunsHouseHello All.
10:32.10FinalXHey RunsHouse
10:32.15samuel|afk:D
10:32.23RunsHousewats up
10:33.09RunsHouseDoes WoWHead have a forums?
10:33.31FinalXDon't think so... why would it need one? :)
10:34.11RunsHousejust sayn itll be cool to have like class forums like they do on the WoW site
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10:35.32FinalXThat'd require a lot more maintenance and on top of that, people will register names that other people use etc. Might cause confusion. Plus it's a lot of extra work to make it integrate properly with the current site, or to build an entire new forum application just for the site..
10:36.02RunsHousei was just saying..
10:36.06RunsHousehaha
10:37.32RunsHousebut ne way
10:37.56RunsHousewhat server are u guys on?? are u EU or US?
10:38.42FinalXI'm on EU
10:38.42FinalXhttp://wowhead.com/?user=Eihrister
10:38.45RunsHouseI c... is this mostly an EU area?
10:39.13FinalXDon't think so :)
10:39.49RunsHousehow is RP servers?
10:41.21FinalXThey're fun, SSL isn't really a PvP realm though, but at least nobody goes bitching at you for making a funny in-context comment.. and it still keeps a lot of annoying people away.
10:42.26RunsHouselike wat do u do?
10:42.32RunsHouselike u can get married?
10:42.38RunsHouseown shops?
10:42.41samuel|afkwell u roleplay!
10:43.01FinalXYeah, you roleplay, entirely your thing, people on SWC used to organise roleplaying events and stuff ;)
10:43.55RunsHouseso like i can buy a shop and make an alchemy business?
10:43.58RunsHousethats hot
10:44.16samuel|afkno..
10:44.22RunsHouseawe
10:45.45RunsHouseso then wat do u do
10:45.52RunsHousei dont get the whole RP thing
10:47.50samuel|afkgoogle it
10:48.00RunsHousethanks
10:48.03RunsHousereal help
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11:02.10RunsHouseHey Guys wat do u suggest for a warrior Endgame weapon spec..in arms...
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14:12.26PeteySo, what shall we talk about?
14:12.37m910qPonys?
14:12.46m910qPonies*
14:12.49PeteyI'm personally wondering when Wowhead is going to have character profiles... been dying for that for quite a while.
14:12.52PeteyFOR PONY!
14:13.25m910qhaha
14:14.06m910qYeah, that would be nice.. But now armory is here?
14:14.16TecnoBratarmory isnt the same
14:14.21TecnoBratyou can't try on gear you dont have
14:14.24PeteyYeah but, I can't make profiles and compare gear.
14:14.26TecnoBratand see your stats, etc
14:14.53m910qWhat, whats the idea in trying out gear?.. see your stats if you get this and that?
14:14.56PeteyYeah I'm trying to put together a pre-Kara set of gear for my shammy alt, and it'd be tons easier if I had that.
14:15.13PeteyYeah, to compare different items... see how they effect your stats.
14:15.32PeteyYou can also put in gems, enchants, etc. at least that's how CTprofiles used to work... when it did :)
14:16.03m910qWell there actually is an easy way to do that, but I'm not allowed to talk about it in here
14:18.04TecnoBratoh rly
14:18.15Peteywtb
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14:34.40Lokkedehh
14:34.45Lokkedi have a question.
14:34.58Lokkedwhy when i connect "Port scan attack"
14:36.59Peteyfrom your firewall software?
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14:41.03LokkedSomebody is scanning your computer.
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14:41.30Lokkedeverytime i connect its something like this.
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14:52.44fireglowsigh
14:52.52fireglowi he only stayed a bit longer -.-
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15:04.46Kayaahello, is anyone here?
15:04.56TheOnyxKayaa: Yes :)
15:05.19Kayaaah :)) good morning
15:05.24TheOnyxG'morning.
15:07.40TheOnyxKayaa: Can I be of assistance regarding anything, or are you just here to check things out?
15:09.07Kayaajust here to chat a lil bit , ty
15:13.28rayfordChat?  Here?  Whoa.  I think you came to the wrong place.  >.>
15:17.06TheOnyxThat's a good cynic.
15:18.01rayfordChump.  : P
15:18.09TheOnyxKayaa: This channel can be pretty hit-or-miss. Sometimes we're talking up a storm. Othertimes, we aren't saying much of anything.
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15:23.44PeteyI think I came in before on the "miss" portion of the show :)
15:24.12PeteyI was wondering how Wowhead was going making character profiles... been dying for those for months :)
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15:26.49Djjinthere are also some community projects trying to do the same from what i understand
15:28.08rayfordWell, I think that Malgayne or Skosiris would be able to answer that for ya.  But I know that they're also trying to keep some of what they're up to secret, so maybe they won't answer.  : P
15:28.20Djjinlol
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15:28.23Djjinthis is true
15:28.40Djjini can tell you where i am on my project but still at spec part :(... stupid job
15:29.07Djjini'm guessing they are close to that, maybe a lil past
15:29.42PeteyWell, the sooner the better :)
15:30.11PeteyI e-mailed the team a few months ago, and they said it was at the end of the month... so of couse I was like /drool
15:31.22TheOnyxPetey: There are a number of upcoming enhancements. I think that one is pretty high on the list.
15:32.00PeteyI'm so happy to hear that... I think the community is dying for it, if my guild is any indication :)
15:33.36PeteyCTProfiles was always a dog... and I hate to say that, because I am sure there was a LOT of hard work put into it... it just never materialized into something that... well, worked
15:35.17rayfordI agree.  I tried not to use it whenever I could help it.
15:38.40Kayaadern phone, am i still here?
15:38.59PeteyYou seem to be.
15:39.04Kayaathank yo
15:39.06Kayaayou
15:39.33PeteyOh you're welcome.
15:46.20Kayaait's pretty quiet in here to
15:46.38rayfordYeah.  Sorta hit or miss.  Sometimes we're all talking, and sometimes its dead.
15:47.47rayfordWhich reminds me.  I need to see if the UI I use has been updated.
15:48.23rayfordHow it is that I'm reminded of that, I have no idea.  : P
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15:50.11IsaliaThree [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Crusader] in 46 Scarlet Spellbinder kills, whoo
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15:50.29rayfordI call hax.  : P
15:50.50IsaliaYou'd think :P
15:51.00rayfordI got lucky when I bought mine.  Some dude was selling the recipe for like 25g.
15:51.13IsaliaIt's great, though, if I can sell them for a reasonable price, maybe I can finally get my epic mount :P
15:51.17IsaliaThat's lucky, too :P
15:51.28rayfordNo TBC?
15:51.33IsaliaYes
15:52.00IsaliaAs in "yes, I have TBC"
15:52.48rayfordThen just quest for like a level.
15:52.50rayford<PROTECTED>
15:53.06IsaliaIt does make me some money, but they go away as fast as they came :)
15:53.30IsaliaSomeone suggested I go farm Motes of Water in Terokkar
15:53.46rayfordOooh.  Yeah, thats a good idea.
15:54.05rayfordIf you've got a flying mount, there's a great spot to farm motes of fire in Nagrand.
15:54.06IsaliaFrom eels or something :P
15:54.19IsaliaLet me get my epic ground one first, /shrug
15:54.49IsaliaPrimal Water sells for 20g? not bad.
15:55.31CrevoxAh so many bugs I Reported, when will they be fixed! :| http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=2442 *stares at cow with 1800 hp*
15:55.37Crevoxand chickens have wealth apparently
15:55.50IsaliaLovely cows!
15:57.10rayfordHaha.
15:57.29rayfordThis is gonna sound terrible, but I like killing the cows just to hear their "moooOOOOo!"
15:57.39IsaliaxD
15:57.43CrevoxThat sounded terrible
15:57.44Crevox:|
15:57.49Isalia... /moo
15:58.26rayfordHehehe.
15:58.26RawsCows are hunter weapons
15:58.39rayfordIts even better, since most of my toons are Taurens.  XP
15:58.45IsaliaAs are chickens.
15:58.52IsaliaAnd felhunters.
15:59.06IsaliaEvery possible thing is a hunter weapon.
15:59.15RawsIn my PANTS
15:59.24Isalia... yeah
15:59.43rayfordRight.  Moving along.....
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16:02.14rayfordBah.  My UI hasn't been updated.  ) :
16:04.30TheOnyxrayford: Your UI?
16:04.52rayfordYeah.  The UI that I use.
16:05.16TheOnyxrayford: Which UI?
16:05.33rayfordhttp://spartanui.com/screenshots.html  <----Screenshots
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16:07.59rayfordI dig it.  Its clean.  But I'll probably end up replacing the party frames.
16:09.01rayfordHowdy Mal.
16:09.12TheOnyxrayford: I totally love the look of spartan, but in practice I found issues. For some reason, I couldn't have my character sheet and a profession window open at the same time. The profession window overlayed the character sheet.
16:10.07TheOnyxrayford: Also, it's more or less designed with wide-screen in mind. I didn't see a way to change the skin for a standard aspect ratio so I could include the chat window in the bottom bar.
16:10.43rayfordTheOnyx:  Actually, for the most part, most of the profession windows are movable, so you can position it wherever you want.
16:11.13rayfordTheOnyx:  Yeah, thats a problem.  But my laptop runs at a widescreen resolution, so it doesn't really bother me too much.
16:11.38TheOnyxrayford: Yeah... it's totally sweet-looking in the widescreen view
16:12.26rayfordI've only got two major complaints about it.  1)  The party frames suck.  2)  Dorje Healing Bars don't work for some reason
16:12.48TheOnyxrayford: that's another thing... i wanted to disable  the party frames and use ag-unitframes
16:12.51TheOnyxdidnt see a way to do so
16:13.50CrevoxMay I suggest a feature
16:13.54rayfordTheOnyx:  Reheheheally?  I'll have to take a look at that when I get home.
16:14.03MalgayneCrevox, you can always suggest a feature.  :)
16:14.37CrevoxWell, firstly, when looking at a trainer NPC, maybe a column that displays training cost? :) Secondly, when looking at a mob's drops, a list for sell price?
16:15.45Malgaynecan you link me to the page yo're talking about just so I'm 100% clear?
16:15.45CrevoxSure
16:15.55Crevoxhttp://www.wowhead.com/?npc=5144
16:16.11CrevoxLike, this is a mage trainer - it would be neat to have a column that displays all training costs for spells
16:16.18TheOnyxrayford: You found a way to disable them?
16:16.46MalgayneI see what you're saying Crev
16:17.09rayfordTheOnyx:  Not yet.  I haven't really looked into it yet.
16:17.16CrevoxI mainly suggest this because I went to a mount trainer's page, and I wanted to see the cost to learn
16:17.21Crevoxbut there was no column
16:17.21rayfordTheOnyx:  Though I'd assume that it'll be in the /duf options.
16:17.28TheOnyxHrrmm
16:17.32Crevoxhttp://www.wowhead.com/?npc=20914
16:17.37TheOnyxrayford: I was not exposed to those options.
16:18.08MalgayneI see what you're saying Crev
16:18.29MalgayneThis is not a bad idea, though I know Sko is really picky about what gets a column and what doesn't.  :)
16:18.45RawsGive him cookies
16:19.17rayfordTheOnyx:  Yeah.  If you type /duf it will pull up Discord Unit Frames options window.
16:19.24CrevoxWell, maybe a customization under account settings? :\
16:19.35CrevoxTo display what columns you want to see for what?
16:20.00MalgayneThat also is a good idea, and that's something I've been meaning to talk to Sko about
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16:25.02CrevoxMalgayne: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=17584
16:25.05Crevoxsimiliar to that
16:25.16Crevoxthe cost column
16:25.32Malgayneright, I see what you're saying
16:28.17MalgayneRegardless, be aware that even if we do implement this, there are a lot of things that are on the plate before we get there
16:28.47CrevoxOf course
16:28.54CrevoxLike cows with 1800 hp and chickens that are rich :)
16:29.18MalgaynePrecisely.  :)
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16:32.09TecnoBrat-HomeBLAH!@E@#$
16:32.25MalgayneHi Tecno.  :)
16:32.44TecnoBrat-Hometime for me to vent ... my ex just got back from texas, she phoned .. I'm at my moms ... so my mom just went to go serve her with court papers
16:33.09Malgaynek.  =/
16:33.38TecnoBrat-HomeI hope she just gives up ... but I doubt that will happen
16:34.40TecnoBrat-Homeanyways ... how is everyones day?
16:34.50MalgayneI have an announcement
16:34.56TecnoBrat-Homeoh, do you?
16:35.25TecnoBrat-Homeyou saved a lot of money on your car insurance?
16:35.46MalgayneThat announcement is IM IN UR WOWHEAD ADOPTIN UR COMMUNIT MANAGRER
16:35.50Malgaynehttp://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/cyamarin/img085.jpg?t=1187109323
16:35.51Crevox:O
16:36.06TecnoBrat-Homeoy
16:36.10Malgaynehttp://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/cyamarin/img082.jpg?t=1187109357
16:36.11TecnoBrat-Homelol
16:36.30TecnoBrat-Homethats your cat?
16:36.50Malgayneas of yesterday
16:37.02TecnoBrat-Homehaha grats
16:37.14MalgayneI'm taking suggestions for names
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16:37.36MalgayneThey're both boys
16:37.46TecnoBrat-Homehmmm
16:38.00TheOnyxooo
16:38.06TecnoBrat-HomeFITE and HEEL
16:38.09rayfordWaffles and Doomsdaymachine.
16:38.18TheOnyxFITE and NO 4 HEELS
16:38.23rayfordHahaha.
16:38.33rayfordNiniverate.
16:38.37TecnoBrat-Homelol
16:38.43MalgayneMaybe Alamo.  :P
16:38.47TecnoBrat-Homeninervate ... I like that
16:38.48rayfordHeh.
16:38.52TecnoBrat-Homeand alamo, haha
16:39.08TecnoBrat-Homeno one else who doesnt play wow would get the ninervate
16:40.16PeteyFYCN
16:40.24TecnoBrat-Home?
16:41.07rayfordMal:  I've got another name for a cat.  But I'm saving it for the next cat we get.   : P
16:41.19MalgayneDo tell
16:41.43TheOnyxIf I ever get one, I think it will be named 'Kittah'
16:41.49rayfordNo thieving.  : P  Scratchfury.
16:42.00rayfordTribute to pvponline.com
16:42.11MalgayneRay, your hunter's pet is named Scratchfury
16:42.16rayfordYup.
16:42.19MalgayneIf I was going to steal it i would have done it already
16:42.21CrevoxMalgayne: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=16264 Hawkstrider Breeders do not sell Elekks!
16:42.35Crevoxer
16:42.36Crevoxhttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=29745
16:42.40Crevox:)
16:42.41MalgayneBah!
16:43.14Crevoxand I'm sure that Npc doesn't appear in stormwind either, or the hawkstrider breeder in shattrath/orgrimmar/barrens/undercity
16:43.21TecnoBrat-Homehmmm
16:43.22Crevoxhttp://www.wowhead.com/?npc=16264
16:43.26Crevoxseems to sell LOTS of neat things
16:43.29TecnoBrat-Homethat data looks really screwed
16:43.48MalgaynePrivate server, Tecno.  We've been dealing with this batch of data all week
16:44.25TecnoBrat-Homeugh
16:44.28TecnoBrat-Homethat sucks
16:44.42TecnoBrat-HomeI thought you had some sort of filtering for that?
16:44.49TecnoBrat-Homeor is it impossible?
16:44.51MalgayneWe have a ton of filtering
16:44.58TheOnyxMalgayne: I understand you record server names... I wonder if there isn't a way to make Wowhead Looter record IP addresses of the server the player is logged in to
16:45.09TecnoBrat-HomeLike .. make sure the server name matches real server names
16:45.20MalgayneJust seems like this latest batch has people who are really dedicated to getting around us
16:45.20TheOnyxServer names are easy to mimic... IPs require more effort.
16:45.29TecnoBrat-HomeI'm sure you do that though .. and they just made their private server name match
16:45.38MalgayneExactly, tecno
16:45.46TecnoBrat-Homeblah
16:45.59TheOnyxMalgayne: What about IP addresseS?
16:46.01TecnoBrat-HomeTheOnyx, is the server IP available to LUA?
16:46.13TecnoBrat-Homedoubt it
16:46.17TecnoBrat-Homebut I could be wrong
16:46.18MalgayneNot sure
16:46.27TecnoBrat-Homelet me go check the API
16:46.56TheOnyxTecnoBrat: Malgayne: I bet it would be easy to have the C++ program check the file that controls where the game goes to find servers
16:47.38TheOnyxto see if it has been changed to something non-legit
16:47.38TheOnyxI say C++, but I could be wrong... in any case, I mean the upload program
16:47.38MalgayneThis is actually a lot of the reason why we dont' currently have a mac client
16:48.44TheOnyxMalgayne: Have the Looter Upload client parse realmlist.wtf for the correct strings
16:48.52TecnoBrat-HomeTheOnyx, problem is that if they are detiremined, they will just change that back before they upload
16:48.54TheOnyxpeople connecting to hacked servers have to modify that
16:49.07TheOnyxTecnoBrat: Sure, but that'd be another level
16:49.13MalgayneThis is the reaosn we're seeing private server data now
16:49.16TheOnyxand you could probably check to see modifucation time
16:49.16TecnoBrat-Homeand no, the IP is not available to the API
16:49.19TheOnyxof the file
16:49.21MalgayneBecause someone actually went in with a hex editor
16:49.26TheOnyxagainst other files
16:49.58TecnoBrat-Homeugh Malgayne
16:50.20TheOnyxMalgayne: That seems easy to counteract... have the looter save a checksum/hash in the file
16:50.31TheOnyxand have it compare that against the contents when it uploads
16:50.37TheOnyxif they don't jive, fail
16:51.12TecnoBrat-Homeor, find the bastard and shoot him!
16:51.47MalgayneI like that idea.  :)
16:51.54TheOnyxThat would handle hex edits... as for private servers, check realmlist.wtf to see if it was modified more recently than, say, another file in the installation
16:51.55MalgayneWe need to talk to mystadio, the client is his baby
16:51.56TecnoBrat-Homehaha
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16:52.28TecnoBrat-Homeyea, from what I understand, mystadio = client, sko = site?
16:52.41TecnoBrat-Homeor does mystadio also do site work?
16:52.48TheOnyxMalgayne: or have the looter store the contents of the file while it is saving the data so you can refer to the upload and see what the reamllist was at the time
16:53.13TecnoBrat-HomeTheOnyx, LUA cannot read external files
16:53.54TheOnyxk... Then we have a situation where we could have the client check the file before it launches Wow
16:54.09TheOnyxof cours,e you'd need to only enable the mod if the client lauchs wow
16:54.13TheOnyxnot sure if that can be done
16:54.33TheOnyxit could probably write a flag to the AddOns directory
16:54.37TecnoBrat-Homethen they just dont use the uploader to launch wow?
16:54.55TheOnyxTecnoBrat: if they don't do that, the mod wouldn't enable
16:55.01TheOnyxan extra hoop, i know :-/
16:55.20TecnoBrat-Homeyou cant stop them from loading it manually ...
16:55.30TecnoBrat-Homesorry just playing devils advocate
16:55.30TheOnyxthe mod?
16:55.35TecnoBrat-Homeyes, the mod
16:56.12TheOnyxI'm sure you could find a way to have the client write something to the AddOn dirfectory with a hash including the time stamp
16:56.25TheOnyxthat way when the addon starts, it checks to see if the uploader just activated it
16:56.51TheOnyxif someone were to start it legit, then copy the add-on stuff, then quit, hack, start wow, the add-on would have the old timestamp
16:56.56TheOnyxand it wouldn't load
16:57.23TecnoBrat-HomeLUA is open source
16:57.35TecnoBrat-Hometake me 10 secs to find out what the hash was
16:57.38TecnoBrat-Homeand fake it
16:57.47TheOnyxnot really
16:57.55TheOnyxsure
16:58.03TheOnyxyou can see the results of the funtion in the LUA file
16:58.19TheOnyxbut coming up with the formula based ont he result is tricky++
16:58.38TecnoBrat-HomeLUA will have to know how the hash was made, so it can compare against it
16:58.39TheOnyxand you'd need to know the formula to fake a hash for a pre-determined timestamp
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16:59.19TheOnyxHrrmm... true... the decode would be right there in plain text.
16:59.21TheOnyxHrrmm...
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16:59.55TecnoBrat-Homeyea
16:59.59TecnoBrat-Homethats the problem
17:00.12TecnoBrat-HomeTheOnyx, you a programmer?
17:00.19TheOnyxTecnoBrat: Aye.
17:00.45TecnoBrat-Homewhat kind?
17:00.57TheOnyxTecnoBrat: define: kind?
17:01.10TecnoBrat-Homeuhhh what languages, online or offline?
17:01.50TecnoBrat-HomeDAmn, its 10:00am .. and I want a beer
17:02.00TheOnyxWell, I currently write code for a client/server app... backed is java, front-end is web-based
17:02.17TheOnyxI've also developed a web-based message board system
17:03.09TecnoBrat-Homewhat company ... if you dont mind me asking?
17:03.30TecnoBrat-HomeI'm the bastard that makes sure you see all of those ads you hate on the internet
17:03.34TheOnyxI prefer to keep the company separate from this user name.
17:03.37TheOnyx;)
17:03.41TecnoBrat-Homeno prob :)
17:03.54Malgaynelol--Tecno, do you do ad sales, ad ops...?
17:03.58KalrothTecnoBrat: I've made a program that makes sure you DONT see all of those adds :)
17:04.21TecnoBrat-HomeMalgayne, I'm the techie guy between the business people, the programmers, and the sales people
17:04.35TecnoBrat-HomeI'm literally, and physically .. in the middle of the office
17:05.02TecnoBrat-HomeI do things like make sure the programmer put the right features in out adserver, bug test, implement new publishers, etc
17:05.18TecnoBrat-HomeI also am the guy that gets to track down rogue porn ads, etc
17:05.24MalgayneOh, you work for an ad provider
17:05.41MalgayneYou're the guy my wife yells at when we get porn ads on Wowhead.  :)
17:05.53TecnoBrat-HomeI also deal with XML CPC feeds we receive from companies
17:05.58TecnoBrat-Homeheh yea ..
17:06.06TecnoBrat-HomeI'm really a jack of all trades
17:06.19TecnoBrat-Homeand the only technical person in the top floor of our office
17:06.30TheOnyxTecnoBrat: the app i develop now uses XML to incorporate EDI functionality
17:08.24TecnoBrat-Homeahh cool .. well these are xml feeds in the simplist of feeds
17:08.24MalgayneTecno, what ad provider do you work for?
17:08.42TecnoBrat-HomeMalgayne, bravenetmedia.com
17:09.15MalgaynePMs, tecno
17:13.43TecnoBrat-Homehere?
17:13.49TecnoBrat-Homemake sure you used the right nick
17:14.01Malgayneoh right
17:14.09TecnoBrat-HomeSo, aparantly ... my ex isn't fighting
17:14.12MalgayneAfter a bit I gave up and used MSN.  :P
17:14.20TecnoBrat-Homeshes going to just let me have custody
17:14.39TecnoBrat-Homeoh, I'm not on that either .. cause i'm at my moms ... haha
17:15.23TecnoBrat-Homesec
17:15.35Malgaynelo
17:15.37Malgaynenp
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17:28.33MalgayneHey mystadio
17:28.49mystadioHi
17:30.04TecnoBrat-Homehahaha
17:30.06TecnoBrat-Home<thaxor> lol LF1M - need replacement mom, please be nice and ready to cook, PST Brian
17:30.26TecnoBrat-Home<= Brian
17:30.47TheOnyxYeah, that'll lure them in
17:30.50Malgaynehttp://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/cyamarin/img086.jpg
17:30.59TheOnyxHEY WIMMINS, I NEED YOU TO BE MY BABIES MOMMA
17:31.13TecnoBrat-Homekk, gotta go .. bbl
17:31.18Malgaynelater tecno
17:31.23TheOnyxLaters!
17:33.36rayfordHow are the cats handling the new environment, Mal?
17:33.51MalgayneWell
17:34.09MalgayneThe black one, who was described to us as the "brains" of the operation
17:34.23MalgayneWe were told he was very calm, very careful
17:34.28Malgaynehe's adapted immediately
17:34.44MalgayneHe's exploring, making friends with us, etc.
17:34.48MalgayneThe white one, the "brains"
17:34.50Malgayneer
17:34.53Malgaynethe "brawn"
17:35.16MalgayneWe were told he was the rambunctious one, who always had to be first
17:35.24MalgayneHe's been under the bed for 36 hours
17:35.29rayfordWow.
17:37.18rayfordCats are creatures of habit.  I'm sure that changing his environment to something completely new didn't really help.
17:37.37MalgayneOh I'm sure
17:37.42MalgayneIt also doesn't help that he's the dumb one
17:37.50MalgayneHe is quite literally afraid of his own shadow
17:37.59MalgayneLike, there's a mirror in my bedroom
17:38.00MalgayneNear the door
17:38.02rayfordHahaha
17:38.14MalgayneAnd he'll only ever go past it at a dead run
17:38.53rayfordAh haha.
17:39.47rayfordWell, twice now Britt's cat has been scared of inanimate objects.
17:40.01rayfordShe's jumped like 4 feet in the air because of something that DIDN'T MOVE.
17:44.05MalgayneThat's wonderful
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17:48.11MalgayneMorning Sko.  :)
17:49.23Skosirishey
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17:54.29MalgayneSko, I got another one: http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/cyamarin/img086.jpg
17:55.58PeteyFYCN! (See if anyone gets that)
17:56.43Skosirisit remembers me how my cat was hiding just like this when we got it
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18:08.25T-MetalG'morning
18:08.45MalgayneMorning
18:10.48rayfordMal:  Britt, Dette, WifeoDette, DJ, and I may be coming up to LA for some Disneyland action.  Just general FYI.  : P
18:10.59MalgayneWhen?
18:11.01Malgayneand who's DJ?
18:11.34rayfordDunno when.  DJ = Dette Jr.
18:11.44Malgayneaah
18:11.47MalgayneWell, let us know
18:12.07rayfordI'm sure that it'd be on a weekend.  You guys think that you'd be up for it?
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18:12.26MalgayneGoing to Disneyland?
18:12.37rayfordAye.
18:13.06MalgaynePotentially
18:13.50rayfordOf course, if Britt has her way, we'll all meet up somewhere in between us and you guys, and hang out or whatever.
18:14.08MalgayneThat also would be awesome
18:15.24rayfordThats what Britt wants.  Dette wants to go to Disneyland.
18:15.42rayfordBoth are equally determined and stubborn.  ; P
18:15.47MalgayneGiven the choice, I think I'd rather just meet
18:15.55MalgayneBut I sure as hell don't want to come between those two.  :)
18:16.03rayfordAh hahaha.
18:16.06rayfordGood idea.  : P
18:16.21rayfordSay, Huntington Beach is roughly midway between us and you guys, right?
18:16.28MalgayneCouldn't say
18:16.30TecnoBratI'm back at work now
18:16.32MalgayneI'd have to go get a google map
18:16.41MalgayneHey tecno.  :)
18:17.18TheOnyxk
18:18.12rayfordWB Techno.
18:18.27rayfordMal:  Yeah, Huntington is like an hour and a half away from us.
18:20.54rayfordMal:  And its sounding like we're all gonna see about hanging out at the beach.
18:21.20MalgayneMeh--I've never been a beach-y type, but we'll see.  The most important thing is WHEN, not where
18:21.39PeteyAre you guys all computers geeks though?  I mean, doesn't sun and sand react in a similar way as salt water to a newcomer? :)
18:21.58MalgayneHehe--yeah, mostly
18:22.12rayfordHaha.  Actually, I bike 6.5 miles to work.  And I practically grew up in the ocean.
18:22.32rayfordMy wife, on the other hand, grew up in Idaho.  Yeah, she saw an ocean like once a year, for like an hour.
18:22.33PeteyYou sir, are an anomaly.
18:23.05rayfordPetey:  I'm also not much of a nerd.  I'm a copy monkey.  Not much technical know-how needed.  : P
18:23.13TecnoBratI grew up on Vancouver Island
18:23.24TecnoBratSo I've been literally surrounded by the ocean my whole life
18:23.31MalgayneYeah.  I like games, but I don't know anything about code.  It gets me in trouble.  :P
18:24.07PeteyRay: haha Ok, that makes more sense then.  I thought I was going to have to do... something... uhh yeah
18:24.52PeteyI worked at a company called Newsday... local newspaper... doing some very basic IT stuff, when I was about 20... and I saw the way their programmers pulled their hair out... literally.  So, that was that.
18:25.12PeteyI work in IT, but I just don't have the fortitude for coding.
18:25.17rayfordI ran track and cross country in high school, and we were 2 miles from the beach.  Sometimes we'd run down there, hang out, run on the beach, then run back.  : P
18:25.17TecnoBratSo I was leveling a little last night
18:25.19TecnoBraton my mage
18:25.23TecnoBraton draenor
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18:25.32TecnoBratand ... its fricken odd that you can't attack alliance
18:25.33rayfordWoot!
18:25.46rayfordThere's plenty of PvP action to be had.  : P
18:25.54TecnoBratits just odd
18:26.01Peteyis that PVE?
18:26.11TecnoBratI've got my ally chars on a pvp server, so I can easily go there for some world pvp action :)
18:26.17TecnoBratI think I picked some baller names though
18:26.40rayfordPetey:  Yeah, Draenor is PvE.
18:28.41PeteyAh.
18:28.58TecnoBratMage = Invisible
18:28.59PeteyEh I tried Detheroc for PVP... and just got sick of getting ganked... over and over.
18:29.03TecnoBratWarrior = Slam
18:30.01rayfordTechno:  You shoulda named him Sunderlawls.
18:30.15PeteySpamstring?
18:30.34rayfordHaha.
18:30.41rayfordThat ones better.  : P
18:30.57PeteyWhile my server is down, I'm trying to come up with a pre-Kara list of gear for mah shammy.
18:31.09MalgayneMy favorite char name of all time is still a warlock named "Dotslol"
18:31.20jmccaffreyPetey: Resto?
18:31.24PeteyI knew one called dotdotdotfear
18:31.28Malgaynehehehe
18:31.29jmccaffreyDipsndots
18:31.31PeteyEnhancement.
18:31.41Peteyor was it dotdotfear?  hmm
18:31.58rayfordPetey:  Rock on!  Enhancement FTW!
18:32.06jmccaffreyEnhance, you can max hit pre kara right?
18:32.26PeteyOh hell yeah... he's 67 now, and with the rested I'll have come Thursday, I think I'll be rested to 68.
18:33.00PeteyWell, on EJ there's a lot of talk about how maxing hit isn't as useful as they once thought... and that having 100-120 hit was more useful
18:33.08TecnoBratmy warlock is named Maddotter
18:33.10PeteyMy buddy has like 235 hit rating, plus talents, I think.
18:33.18jmccaffreyAs what?
18:33.31PeteyEnhancement shammy :)
18:33.51rayfordPetey:  Holy cow.  Thats a ton of hit.  My Shammy has like 115 hit.  O.o
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18:33.58PeteyYeah lol he's nuts...
18:34.11jmccaffreyAh, well if you dual weild I can see needing alot of hit, that white damage is a large portion of your dps
18:34.38jmccaffreyAs a rogue I am in the same boat
18:34.38PeteyBUT I am hesitant to get Rogue gear, because of the lack of intel/mp5 on there.  I figure that with us getting free spell damage, more shocking!
18:34.49PeteyYeah but EJ is saying to cut down the hit a lot, and ramp up crit and AP/STR
18:35.16PeteyI'm going to try my hand at getting some haste gear as well... which won't be easy... other than my MH.
18:35.19jmccaffreyage old discussion, you hit hard but miss often, or you crit alot but weakly, etc...
18:35.21Peteyand if I get the trinket, it's too much
18:35.27rayfordPetey:  I've only got one piece of Rogue gear, the leather pants from Murmur.
18:35.27MalgaynePetey--if you have a 25% chance to crit and a 20% chance to hit, you're wasting 5% of your crit gear
18:35.54TecnoBratUT OH
18:36.02TecnoBratTHERORIESCRAFTARS
18:36.16PeteyI was going to say... sorry for breaking out the math :)
18:36.21PeteyNERD WAR!!!!!
18:36.31MalgayneI'm crappy at the math
18:36.32PeteyRARRR
18:36.39MalgayneBut my best friend has gone through it in huge detail.  :)
18:36.41PeteyI do alright with it... sites like Lootzor help.
18:36.48jmccaffreyAs an enhancement shaman, you shouldn't worry too much about dps anyhow
18:36.53jmccaffrey*ducks*
18:36.55rayfordHeh.  I've got a 25% chance to crit, and like an 9% chance to hit.  : P
18:36.55jmccaffreylol
18:36.57Peteylawls
18:37.07PeteyRay, with talents or without?
18:38.03rayfordPetey:  Not sure.  Does the Armory tooltip include it automatically?
18:38.12PeteyBecause you can get 9% hit just from talents, duder
18:38.23Kirkburnmorning
18:38.30TecnoBrathmmm on my mage, should I go with the crafted fire stuff at 70?
18:38.33MalgaynePetey--Here's the math: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/guides.html?guide=1009
18:38.34PeteyNo, it doesn't Ray.
18:38.43PeteyMorning Kirk
18:38.47rayfordPetey:  In that case, its like 18% chance to hit.
18:39.00PeteyYeah that's good
18:39.01TecnoBrathmm other question
18:39.06TecnoBratlevel my mage or my warrior first
18:39.10PeteyYou are probably good with your hit rating
18:39.20PeteyMal: Looking at that now.
18:40.15rayfordTechno:  I'd say Warrior.  But thats cuz I'm diggin playin my Warrior ATM.  : P
18:42.07MalgaynePetey--the guide IS a little out of date
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18:43.55TecnoBratwarriors are pretty OP
18:44.05TecnoBratI used to play my mage as my main
18:44.08TecnoBratwhen the game first came out
18:44.20TecnoBratwent all of the way through MC and BWL
18:44.51TecnoBratI really enjoyed playing a mage .. then there was a ton of guild drama, my guild broke up .. and then the next guild i joined broke up
18:45.04TecnoBratand a friend was playing ally, and asked me to play my paladin again
18:45.05TecnoBratso I did :P
18:45.52rayfordNow you're playing your Mage again.  : P
18:46.10PeteyMal I checked it out.  Seems like good info.
18:46.52TecnoBratSkosiris, what was the final verdict on that reputation stuff?
18:46.59MalgayneIt has some important philosophical stuff for how people are gearing themselves
18:47.03PeteyI think I'm going to go with 120 hit rating or so, and between that and talents I'm think I'll have roughly a 5% miss rate.  I'm alright with that :)
18:47.03TecnoBratI know Adys hates it .. but he doesn't care
18:47.11TecnoBratdoesn't matter8
18:47.11MalgayneTecno--we're "trying it".  :)
18:47.13Adysmeh?
18:47.15TecnoBratcool :)
18:47.20Adysah
18:47.21TecnoBratAdys, you don't matter
18:47.22TecnoBrat:P
18:47.32Adysbut i can kick
18:47.33Adysyou cant!
18:47.39Malgayneooooooooooooh
18:47.46PeteyAbuse that power :P
18:47.54Peteygogogo
18:48.01Adysi already did in another chan
18:48.08PeteyOh, then it's old hat.  Nevermind.
18:49.38TecnoBrathahahah
18:49.43TecnoBratI got kciked in wowwiki :P
18:51.01rayfordHahaha.  Nice work Techno.  : P
18:51.18TecnoBratAdys likes to kick people
18:51.26Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Allofthenamesichoseweretaken
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18:56.22TecnoBrathahaha
18:56.45TecnoBratso a former contact of mine, who I still ahve on linkedin ... now works for the company that makes Girls Gone Wild
18:56.56Malgaynehaha
18:56.59MalgayneAwesome
18:57.03TecnoBrathes an affiiliate sales manager or something
18:57.15TecnoBratso I'm gonna email him .. and find out how that is :P
18:57.29rayfordSee if he'll hook me up with some free videos.  :D
18:57.41MalgayneFree soft-porn for everyone!
18:58.04TecnoBratlol
18:58.48rayfordWhoo!
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18:59.17TecnoBratokay, now I need some food
18:59.20TecnoBratbbiab
18:59.30Malgayneme too
18:59.37Malgaynesoft porn makes me hungry
19:00.14rayfordPron in general makes me hungry.
19:07.05Adysbe back in a bity
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19:09.26rayfordMan, seems like Adys is always gone.  Either sleeping, or eating, or something.  : P
19:09.43Adys|sleephaving a nick doesnt mean i sleep
19:09.48Adys|sleepbut yea im going there.
19:11.14rayfordThe nick doesn't lie!
19:11.47Sky2042you know kirkburn, don't you?
19:11.49Sky2042:P
19:12.14Sky2042always |afk, yet he never is
19:12.27Kirkburn:O
19:12.38rayfordSee.  He's not AFK now!
19:12.41Kirkburn~seen Kirkburn|afk
19:12.49infobotkirkburn|afk <n=Kirkburn@76-220-202-143.lightspeed.oshkwi.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 2d 10h 59m 5s ago, saying: 'Toodles'.
19:12.49Sky2042but he hasn't got the tag, eh?!
19:13.04KirkburnDammit, I thought it was longer than 3 days :/
19:13.05Adys|sleep~seen kirkburn|porn
19:13.06infobotAdys|sleep: i haven't seen 'kirkburn|porn'
19:13.06Sky2042jebus
19:13.19KirkburnAdys, duh, that's the same as Kirkburn|afk
19:13.19Adys|sleepmeh..
19:13.23Sky2042lol
19:13.28Sky2042weak kirkburn
19:13.53Adys|sleep~seen kirkburn|nekkid
19:13.54infobotkirkburn|nekkid <n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 121d 17h 41m 20s ago, saying: 'List on the channel info page (see the topic)'.
19:14.08Adys|sleep121 days ago jeez
19:14.48Adys|sleepgn
19:14.55KirkburnAlso equivalent to Kirkburn|afk
19:14.59KirkburnNight Adys! :)
19:15.00KirkburnSleep well
19:15.18Adys|sleep~seen Kirkburn|pr0n
19:15.19infobotkirkburn|pr0n <n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-107-227.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 121d 17h 42m 31s ago, saying: 'Im in the other channels too, just here to play'.
19:15.30Adys|sleeppoitiers
19:15.31Adys|sleepmeh.
19:21.36Baalgnight all
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20:15.33TecnoBratmmm
20:15.35TecnoBratfull belly
20:16.19rayfordNot quite full, but I had a cookie at the end, so I'm happy.  :D
20:20.10TecnoBratI've still got a blueberry whitechocolate scone
20:20.11TecnoBratmmm
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20:23.34rayfordMmm....
20:23.45rayfordI've got some salsa verde chips.
20:23.56Melwazagief ^^
20:24.14MalgayneSo I think we have names for the cats
20:24.28rayford?
20:24.33rayfordMal:  Do tell.
20:25.07MalgayneThe white one we're naming "Zap"
20:25.12MalgayneAnd the black one "Kif"
20:25.19MelwazaSo when do you guys think that blizzard will release Wrath of the Lich King?
20:25.54MalgayneThey're trying to do it by the end of the year, I think
20:26.00rayfordMelwaza:  I'm predicting around December of '08.  Just a prediction, though.
20:26.01MalgayneThough whether they'll succeed...who knows
20:26.16rayfordMal:  Wait.  The end of this year?  Or next year?
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20:26.23MelwazaI bet they will have bug problems etc so they will extend it alot
20:26.27Melwazai dont know though
20:26.35MalgayneWell, they were originally talking about doing one a year
20:26.49MalgayneBlizz is generally pretty good about not releasing content until it's ready
20:26.51MelwazaWow! thats alot of work
20:27.10winkillerI hope it will take some time
20:27.16winkillermy lock is only 65
20:27.17rayfordYeah.  But lets consider what they have to do that we know of.
20:27.18Melwazame to
20:27.19winkillerso much to see
20:27.23Melwazai need more gear ^^
20:28.19rayfordDesign a new continent.  Retune Naxx for a 25 man group.  Destructable buildings/siege weapons.  Introduce a new class.  Design new mobs, instances, and gear.
20:28.23MelwazaOne more question: Does anyone have a very very good and fast way of making gold? i am a level 70 tauren druid and i find myself always lacking gold :(
20:28.35rayfordMelwaza:  Quest.
20:28.38MalgayneMelwa, what are your professions?
20:28.48MelwazaSkinning / Leatherworking
20:28.51MalgayneTrue, at 70 doing quests can make you very rich
20:29.06MalgayneYou can also consider selling leather in the AH
20:29.20rayfordMelwaza:  We've got a 70 Feral Druid in our guild.  He can drop 1k gold on stuff over the weekend, and then have it and more back by the next weekend.
20:29.25MelwazaTrue, but my sources are running dry on the places i enjoy
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20:29.30MalgayneHe's also a little nuts, though, Ray
20:30.00rayfordTrue.  But then again, he also tends to respec twice a week, and buy a lot of stuff out of AH.
20:30.12Melwazai know a person... He made 5,000 gold on one full day.
20:30.34rayfordMelwaza:  Mal does have a point.  You can sell your skins.  If your spots are getting dry, though, it might be a good idea to move onto somewhere else and farm there for a while.
20:31.00MelwazaYeah
20:31.15Melwazaour server economy is wierd however
20:31.26Melwazaone weekend the primals is like 10g. and the next 32
20:31.51Melwazawell 2 weeks or so you get my point :)
20:32.28MalgayneHave you ever used Auctioneer?
20:32.36MelwazaI am also doing daily quests, i dont know if you done any but boy you get tired of em :)
20:32.44MelwazaI've tried it, didnt like it to be honest
20:32.49MalgayneI gotcha
20:33.12MalgayneUnfortunately, there's no quick, easy way to make gold
20:33.23MalgayneAnd anyone who tells you otherwise is likely trying to sell you something.  :)
20:33.26MelwazaMal : are you playing on the europe servers?
20:33.28TheOnyxhttp://www.wowhead.com/?latest=comments
20:33.38TheOnyxDoes the Wowhead logo look broken on that page to you guys?
20:34.07MalgayneNope
20:34.10MalgayneShift Refresh?
20:34.12TheOnyxWeird.
20:34.12rayfordTheOnyx:  Nope.
20:34.18MalgayneMelwa, I'm on Draenor US
20:34.26MelwazaAh i see
20:34.36MelwazaEarthen Ring  EU
20:34.57TheOnyxctrl+refresh worked
20:35.29Malgaynekewl
20:35.40Melwazabrb
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20:42.51MalgayneWelcome, Miyari.  :)
20:42.58MiyariFirefox is being dumb. :(
20:43.02rayfordHowdy Miyari.
20:43.14MelwazaRayford : are you on the us?
20:43.19MiyariI was up til 6am grinding Wowhead reputation.
20:43.20Miyarilewl
20:43.36MalgayneHehe
20:43.55rayfordMelwaza:  Yeah, I play on the same server as Malgayne.
20:46.41Miyarianyone have experience with tanking hydross
20:46.41Miyariwell specifically his adds
20:46.41Miyariim too lazy to log on wow and ask someone lol
20:47.07MalgayneNot much help here
20:47.11Discoverany specific info you're looking for?
20:47.19MalgayneI tanked up to 70 but respecced holy when I got there
20:47.23Miyarihow much resist they need
20:47.24Miyarito tank the adds
20:47.28Miyarii know they wear frost/nature
20:47.30Discover150 if I'm not mistaken
20:47.32Miyaribut is it 150?
20:47.33Discovereach
20:47.39Miyarithat's what i thought
20:47.44MelwazaHydross in SSC?
20:47.50Miyarino hydross in deadmines
20:47.56Miyari<3
20:48.04Miyaribut yeah hydross hydross lol
20:48.05rayfordHaha.
20:48.13Melwazacheers..
20:48.16Miyarii just got home and my bf's like i need gear D:
20:48.19Miyariand im like omg project !
20:48.28Miyarii just spent like 1.5k on a damn belt for him -_-
20:48.33Miyarinow he's like "i need tanking gear"
20:48.39Miyarigotta love em
20:48.49Melwazawhipped
20:49.02Miyariwe look after each other
20:50.03rayfordI dunno if even my wife ever did something like that for me.
20:50.25TecnoBratMiyari, tell your warriors / druids that they can wear cloth
20:50.30TecnoBratas long as its god resist
20:50.36rayfordThough I once hooked her up with like 500g so that she could buy http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31334
20:50.37TecnoBratthere is 0 physical dmg
20:50.44TecnoBratalso you can dodge and parry their attacks
20:50.55TecnoBratso balance def and good resist
20:51.10TecnoBratshield block does nothing, however
20:51.31Miyariwell yah i know that
20:51.37Miyariour bear tanks in her old glacial dmg/heal cloth lokl
20:51.46TecnoBratyea
20:51.58Miyarirayford: i got him this http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30032
20:52.02TecnoBratjust helpin out :)
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20:53.54MelwazaArmor and the stamina from their tank gear helps though, i know i wouldn't wear cloth
20:54.24Miyarinah im looking at wildguard and iceguard stuff
20:54.24TecnoBratarmor means nothing
20:54.25TecnoBratnothing
20:54.27TecnoBratnone zip
20:54.27Miyaribut yeah
20:54.29Miyari^
20:54.33Miyariits all magical
20:54.43Miyariso the armor class means nada
20:54.43rayfordMiyari:  Wow.  I don't think that I've ever seen that on our server.
20:55.01TecnoBratMiyari, what class are you?
20:55.08Miyariimma druid
20:55.34MelwazaThe HP anyways
20:55.53MalgayneTrue
20:56.38Melwazai would tank them im arena gear tbh. Loads of stam
20:57.06Melwaza+ resilience but not sure if it goes to spells
20:57.12TecnoBratit does
20:57.16TecnoBratbut you'd get owned
20:57.18TecnoBrathardcore
20:57.38TecnoBratyou need every piece of gear to have resist on it
20:57.50Miyariim still filling in some spots with nature
20:57.54Miyarii have him with 177 frost
20:58.02TecnoBratyou need 150-200 resist of NR and FrR
20:58.05Malgaynepally aura's + shammy totems ftw
20:58.11TecnoBratunbuffed
20:58.14Miyarii still have spots
20:58.16Miyariopen
20:58.23TecnoBratwhats ur NR at?
20:58.25Miyarineck, cloak, shoulder, bracer, belt, trinket, sword + board
20:58.27TecnoBratgot the rings crafted?
20:58.30Miyari130
20:58.35Miyarithat's considering the rings crafted, yes
20:58.42Miyariwhat cloak do you think?
20:58.48MelwazaThat's the funny part "unbuffed" if you got 120 unbuffed then you will have enough in the raid imo
20:58.53Miyarihe's got a gaea
20:58.58Miyarii could just throw that on
20:58.59TecnoBratno Melwaza
20:59.06TecnoBratyou need 150-200 UNBUFFED
20:59.08TecnoBratof each
20:59.21TecnoBratso that you are pushing 250 of each buffed
20:59.24MelwazaSome here said you need a total of 150 inside the raid
20:59.31TecnoBratnah
20:59.40TecnoBratIF WOWHEAD HAD FRICKEN WEIGHTED FILTERS
21:00.02T-MetalWhat do you mean by weighted filters?
21:00.33TecnoBratgo ... "order all cloaks by nature resist weighted at 2, stam weighted at 1"
21:00.44Miyariwell there's only like
21:00.48TecnoBratallahkazafdsafhdsfdsm does irt
21:00.49Miyari9 NR cloaks anyway
21:00.49Miyarirofl
21:00.56MalgayneSo does Thott.  :(
21:00.58TecnoBratoh I know
21:01.00Miyariits basically a gaea's or the dragon one
21:01.09MalgayneThough Thott's only done it for a week or two
21:01.11DuTempetebeing able to choose a minimum level of a stat to search by, Tecnobrat?
21:01.14Miyarii dont like the stamina on gaea
21:01.19Miyariimma use a glacial
21:01.21MalgayneTempete, no--
21:01.22jmccaffreyCan you calculate approximate item teir based on ilevel?
21:01.23Miyarithen take off some FR
21:01.26TecnoBratDuTempete, both
21:01.36Malgaynelol!
21:01.45TecnoBratmin stat, plus a weighted filter
21:01.46MalgayneYour IRC client pings you when someone says "thottbot"?
21:01.50DuTempeteah
21:01.58Skosirisnope, but it highlights the "affected" comments in red ;)
21:02.05jmccaffreylol
21:02.08MalgayneWARNING--THOTTBOT ALERT
21:02.14Skosirislol
21:02.22TecnoBratSkosiris, I'm just finding myself having to use thottbot ... :P
21:02.44jmccaffreyhaha
21:02.48TheOnyxAlert the Internets!
21:02.52PeterLOLnever ever use thottbot, bad data will ruin your brain!
21:03.01Skosirislol
21:05.18TecnoBratMiyari
21:05.18TecnoBrathttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=31937
21:05.19Miyarii am so winning at wowhead
21:05.23TecnoBratsince you asked ... :P
21:05.31TecnoBratgood luck at finding it though
21:05.36Miyarilol my bf just linked me living band
21:05.38Miyarino what im going to do
21:05.41Miyariis get a glacial cloak
21:05.43Miyariand put +15 NR on it
21:05.46MiyariXD
21:05.53TecnoBratsure, that works
21:06.00TecnoBratand then swap another slot out
21:06.02Miyarii know ppl with runes still
21:06.14TecnoBratyea lots of people do
21:06.17TecnoBratmy guild still has lots
21:06.18Miyarihell
21:06.22Miyarii know ppl who still run naxx
21:06.26Miyarievery week ;o
21:06.41Miyariid be happy with justa lil more NR
21:06.45Miyariisnt there a libram
21:06.49Miyarithat you take to ZG
21:06.59Miyarithis is so fun
21:07.09Miyarii nerdcore hard over resist gear
21:07.18TecnoBratthere is a helm enchant
21:07.23Miyarii STILL pick up frost resist gear rofl
21:07.25Miyariin case of sapphiron
21:08.13Miyariwhere are permanant enchantments under?
21:08.14TecnoBrathttp://www.wowhead.com/?items=15.-3&filter=sl=1;cr=27;crs=1;crv=10
21:08.20Miyaria nm
21:08.29Miyarioh sweet!!
21:08.31TecnoBratchange the slot
21:08.37TecnoBratif you want to check something else
21:08.46Miyariis there a frost one?
21:08.50TecnoBratyep
21:08.51Miyariisn't it from argent dawn
21:08.53TecnoBratchange to FrR
21:09.02TecnoBrat20 FrR to head
21:09.08T-MetalTecnoBrat: PM =)
21:09.26Miyarioh wow keepers of time
21:09.27MiyariLOL
21:09.32Miyariim so out dated :(
21:10.16Miyariim still farming a shadow enchant for my pants
21:10.46TecnoBrathttp://www.wowhead.com/?items=15.-3&filter=sl=3;cr=28;crs=1;crv=5
21:10.51TecnoBrat7 resist to all to shouldes
21:11.03Miyarifor http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32396
21:11.12Miyariyeah i remembered that
21:11.28TecnoBratthen of course, http://www.wowhead.com/?items=15.-3&filter=sl=5;cr=27;crs=1;crv=5
21:11.36TecnoBratand http://www.wowhead.com/?items=15.-3&filter=sl=5;cr=28;crs=1;crv=5
21:11.53TecnoBratFrR and NR to chest, legs, hands, or feed
21:11.55TecnoBratfeet*
21:12.02Miyariyah i remembered those too
21:12.07Miyarii have shadow armor kit on my SR boots
21:12.16Miyarii think im goin to use bramblewoods in foot
21:12.22Miyaribut enchant them with stamina
21:14.37Miyariright now its at 175 nr and 221 frost
21:14.55Miyariusing http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24095
21:18.47Miyarilol this banner ad on wowhead wtf
21:18.49Miyari"new games from advil!"
21:19.20MalgayneGames from advil?
21:20.15rayfordWhoo!
21:20.36rayford"See how many advil liquigels you can down before you pass out!"
21:20.42Malgaynebtw MIyari, do you know the procedure when you get an annoying ad on Wowhead?
21:20.43Miyariclick the ad and play em now
21:20.52Miyaririte
21:21.42MiyariI don't really mind any of the current ads except for the starving ethopian kid ones.
21:22.00MalgayneWe've gotten a lot of complaints about ads that play sounds, etc.
21:22.02MalgayneSo if you see one
21:22.06MalgayneScreenshot
21:22.08MiyariFOURTH WALL
21:22.08Miyarikk
21:22.14MalgayneRight click on ad, click "Show image"
21:22.18MalgayneCopy URL into email
21:22.25MalgayneSend screenshot and URL to me
21:22.34Miyarisure thing :O
21:22.44MalgayneThe URL is the important one
21:22.52MalgayneWith that I know which ad provider to yell at
21:23.09MalgayneIf it's just a screenshot, I need to go to ALL the ad providers and say to them "Is this you?"
21:23.30MalgayneAnd invariably they all say "No", including the one who turns out later to have been showing the ads all along
21:24.32Miyarihehe
21:25.08rayford"Did you put glue in your sisters hair?!"  "....No."
21:25.52CrevoxI turned off ads
21:25.53Crevox:|
21:25.56Miyariwoot i ordered a texas litterbag
21:25.57Crevoxfirefox woo...
21:26.06Miyarihooray for banner ads!
21:26.16TecnoBratMalgayne
21:26.23TecnoBratget me a beta get for warhammer online
21:26.24TecnoBratkk thx
21:26.53TecnoBratoh about the ad
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21:27.02TecnoBratalso rightclick the ad, copy the click location
21:27.05TecnoBratthats useful too
21:27.10TecnoBratboth the image URL and the click URL
21:27.10Djjindamn flash
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21:27.30Miyaridid it always used to copy the # of an item displayed on the icon for it in reagents for a crafting skill?
21:27.41TecnoBratbut yea, flash you can't do that ... unless you have like firebug, its much harder to get the info
21:27.43Miyarii used to just copy/paste the reagent list into notepad but now its all spammed up ><
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21:33.59rayfordSome people....  >.<
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21:39.21Miyaridammit rayford
21:39.59rayfordKeeled yer internets.
21:40.11MiyariAGAIN :(
21:40.33rayfordI'm sorree.  I promise that I'll try not ta do it uhgin.
21:40.57Miyari<3
21:41.03MiyariI'm summarizing the pain of farming atm lol
21:41.09MiyariTrying to figure out what all we need >_<
21:41.16MiyariSo far it's starting off "18 Khorium Bar"
21:41.40Miyari30 primal water lololol
21:41.48rayfordOooh.  Ouch.
21:42.02Miyari30 primal fire
21:42.02MiyariL O L
21:42.24Miyarithankfully im not using them anymore on pots i guess -_-
21:42.37PeterLOLuhu, went through hell farming 18 fires for my damn girdle of ruination
21:42.45PeterLOLwhen i was trying to max my pre-raid gear
21:42.47rayford30 primal fire?!  Ouch.
21:43.08Miyarii hope his guild plans on helping out
21:43.22Miyarii raid and work fulltime i dont have time for this lol
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21:44.12PeterLOLhopefully there will he weekly hand-ins? :o
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21:48.09Miyariugh and this is just hybrid tank
21:48.14Miyarinevermind he'll eventually need full of both prolly
21:48.33Miyari18 khorium bars, 12 felsteel bars, 30 primal water, 30 primal fire, 24 primal shadow, 22 primal life
21:48.50Miyari3 primal nether, 9 mercurial adamantite and a bunch of old world mats
21:49.13Miyariching chang wing wong
21:51.27rayfordSay Miyari, when you're done farming for him, mind doing some farming for me?  I'd love to get the mats for a Runic Hammer.  : P
21:51.41Miyarihe can craft it kek
21:51.49Miyariwhat am i gonna farm with
21:51.51Miyarimy resto druid or holy paladin
21:51.58Miyari:P
21:52.08Miyarimy 70 hunter is terrible
21:52.41Miyarihttp://www.eu-warrior.com/wal/?n=Miyaki&r=illidan&w=US
21:54.04Miyarihttp://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&3.27794#29355
21:54.06Miyari^ her badness
21:57.48rayfordMiyari:  Just toss on some +spell damage, and spam Moonfire.  : P
21:59.10TheOnyxMOONKINS IZ 4 SPAM MOONFIER
21:59.33Miyarii think i got like
21:59.35Miyari500 spell damage
21:59.36Miyari...
21:59.42Miyariand like 2.2k feral ap
21:59.43rayfordSo?
21:59.48Miyarineither of which accounts for anything
22:00.00Miyarier 3k feral ap
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22:00.16rayfordPfft.  Just spam Moonfire.
22:00.27SaladinMoonfire spam gogo
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22:19.26TecnoBratanother slow time in the channel
22:21.56m910qWell not that bad today :P
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22:25.21Viprimethis channel is super active compared the most im in
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22:26.17m910qhehe
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22:28.00TecnoBratit got much more inactive in the last 30 mins or so
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22:28.09Skosiris:O
22:28.20TecnoBratoh Skosiris speaks!
22:28.24rayfordYour face got much more inactive in the last 30 minutes.
22:28.25TecnoBratget back to work Skosiris
22:28.32TecnoBratyou too rayford
22:28.41m910qwtf
22:29.06Malgaynehehe
22:29.11Malgayneit's like poking a hornet's nest with a stick
22:29.16TecnoBratMalgayne, you get back to work too
22:29.28VirontI'll interact with your a face in a minute
22:29.29rayfordTechno:  You're not the boss of me.
22:30.01rayfordHaha.
22:30.23TecnoBratrayford, don't argue, just listen!
22:30.24TecnoBrat:P
22:30.29TecnoBratsomeone give me @
22:30.30TecnoBrat:P
22:31.28TecnoBratTecnoBrat's Stress Level [#######======]
22:31.30TecnoBratand falling
22:31.34rayfordTechno:  If there's one thing that Mal can tell you, its that I argue no matter what the cause.  :D
22:31.45TecnoBratIt was at [#############=] this morning
22:32.02SkosirisTecnoBrat's Wowhead Rep [                ]
22:32.34TecnoBratno you aren't!
22:32.34rayfordAh haha.
22:32.37TecnoBratits +1!
22:33.49TecnoBratReputation: 1 [?]
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22:33.55SkosirisTecnoBrat: how come you aren't a moderator?
22:34.09TecnoBrathaha no idea
22:34.32TecnoBratyou never made me one? :P
22:36.46rayfordTraining is 5g.
22:39.12Malgaynehee hee
22:40.06TecnoBratyou know, speaking of 5g
22:40.07TecnoBratI was dumb
22:40.11TecnoBratreally dumb
22:40.14Malgayne?
22:40.21TecnoBratprimal fire was like 20g cheaper on my old server
22:40.25TecnoBratsame with some other stuff
22:40.30MalgayneOh btw Tecno, what are your char's names again?  Invisible and Slam?
22:40.34TecnoBratI should of checked and spent all of my gold on it
22:40.37TecnoBratand then transfered
22:40.51TecnoBratwait, that would be exploiting the economy right?
22:40.55TecnoBrati mean .. uhh dont do that!
22:40.56MalgayneWell, yes
22:41.10TecnoBratYes Malgayne, Invisible and Slam
22:41.11MalgayneBut I don't think it's exploiting the economy in a way that's forbidden by the terms of use
22:44.58TecnoBratprobably not
22:45.02TecnoBratsince it has a 3 mo cooldown
22:45.20MalgayneHehe--I wonder if that counts as "buying gold"
22:45.24MalgayneSince it costs $25
22:47.16rayfordThat reminds me.  Mal, where's that gold you said you'd get me for my birthday?  : P
22:47.51MalgayneDidn't I get you a girdle of gale force for your birthday?
22:48.55rayfordNo.
22:51.44TecnoBratlol
22:52.14rayfordI'm pretty sure that I bought it myself.
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22:54.45rayfordMal, joo fail.
22:55.01Malgayne_net in the whole building went out.  =/
22:55.05TecnoBratokay, I'm not going to be completely mean
22:55.29*** mode/#wowhead [+o Malgayne] by ChanServ
22:55.35TecnoBratsome jackass in my guild just posted a link "http://www.WowDataMining.com/ZAf_full_list" which linked to "http://www.internetisseriousbusiness.com/"
22:55.53MalgayneKEYLOGGER LAWLZ
22:55.58TecnoBrathad the subject "Full List of gear and items from Zul'Aman!"
22:56.03TecnoBratits rickroll
22:56.07TecnoBratbut ... worse
22:56.10TecnoBratJS alerts
22:56.15TecnoBratwith every line in the song
22:56.20TecnoBratso you cant close the window
22:56.40rayfordOh.  And you have to keep clicking Ok or whatever, right?
22:56.52MalgayneAnd I clicked on it
22:56.54DiscoverSomeone posted that in our guild forums earlier as well :\
22:56.56MalgayneHere in the office
22:57.32SkosirisDiscover: Are you Sam, the perfectionist guy?
22:57.48DiscoverIndeed I am
22:57.56Malgayne:D
22:58.00MalgayneOh that reminds me
22:58.10rayfordBah, Mal.
22:58.11DiscoverHaha, good ;)
22:58.41TecnoBrathaha why do you say that?
22:58.49SkosirisDiscover: isn't punctuate related to punctuation, as in commas, colons and that kind of stuff?
22:59.04DiscoverIt also deals with capitalization
22:59.22Skosirislol
22:59.26Skosirisdisease uh
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22:59.41rayfordHe just called you a disease, Sko.
23:00.25MalgayneNo, I accused him of having a disease
23:00.41rayfordSko, he said you're diseased.
23:01.38MalgayneI think we should leave it "How to spell Wowhead"
23:01.56MalgayneAlso
23:02.10MalgayneAm I crazy, or did someone fix the ?jobs page?
23:02.34DiscoverBut capitalization is part of punctuation (which is what the question/answer refers too) :P
23:02.43DiscoverNah, the space is still missing.
23:02.49MalgayneShift refresh?
23:03.35DiscoverTried that
23:03.44MalgayneIt's fine on my screen.  =/
23:03.47TecnoBratwhat is wrong?
23:04.07MalgayneDiscover's screen show's a space missing on the ?jobs page
23:04.13Malgayneafter the email adders
23:04.14DiscoverMust be just in IE
23:04.19TecnoBratIE
23:04.22TecnoBratyea
23:04.27MalgayneSend resumes to jobs@zam.comfor considerations
23:04.43Discover*Looks to see if I can find anything in the source*
23:05.25TecnoBratJust IE being dumb
23:05.30TecnoBratPlease send all resumes to <a id="email-link"></a> for considerations.
23:05.34TecnoBratthat should be fine
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23:06.32DiscoverYea, hmm. First time I've seen it do that
23:06.33Losnaryou could always toss a &nbsp in there for good measure
23:06.41reapersarmshello everyone :D
23:06.41TecnoBratyea, you could
23:06.50DiscoverWouldn't that make it two spaces in FF?
23:07.04TecnoBratreplace the space with a &nbsp;
23:07.05DiscoverOr do you mean replace the space with &nbsp;
23:07.07Losnarnot if you remove the exsiting one
23:07.09DiscoverGotcha
23:07.13TecnoBratPlease send all resumes to <a id="email-link"></a>&nbsp;for considerations.
23:07.55MalgayneTry now
23:07.58MalgayneShift refresh
23:08.04DiscoverYep, worked
23:08.05DiscoverThanks ;)
23:08.11MalgayneAwesome
23:08.18MalgayneAlso, welcome reaper
23:08.52Losnarlooks good in both IE 7 and 6
23:09.11Malgayneand in firefox
23:09.28MalgayneAnd Safari
23:10.06MalgayneMac user ftw
23:14.10TecnoBrathahahha
23:14.13TecnoBrat"is there an actual link to gear somewhere?"
23:14.18Malgayne...
23:14.20TecnoBrathere ya go
23:14.20TecnoBrathttp://www.iwillrickrolluagainifyouclickthislink.com
23:14.27TecnoBratI mean .. why would he ask that
23:14.32Malgaynehahahaha
23:14.36TecnoBratthe guy could of totally done it again
23:14.37MalgayneWhat does that even mean?
23:14.50TecnoBratI will rick roll you again if you click this link
23:14.54Malgayneno no
23:14.59TecnoBrator "rick roll"?
23:15.03Malgayne""is there an actual link to gear somewhere"
23:15.17TecnoBrat-15:53:14- (+TecnoBrat) had the subject "Full List of gear and items from Zul'Aman!"
23:15.23TecnoBratcomes from the original post :)
23:15.27Malgayneah...
23:17.04Skosirisis it me or is Adys slacking today?
23:17.12Malgaynescreenshots backed up?
23:17.19Skosiris244 screenshots are awaiting to get approved
23:17.28Malgayneinfobot, Skosiris is a slave driver.
23:17.29infobot...but skosiris is already something else...
23:17.29Adyscheck the hours, not the numbers :P
23:17.36DiscoverYea, I've noticed as well (only because I've submitted a few :P )
23:17.39Malgayneinfobot, Skosiris is also a slave driver.
23:17.39infobotokay, Malgayne
23:17.57Skosiris244 in the last 22 hours uh
23:18.13Skosiris@skosiris
23:18.15Skosiris~skosiris
23:18.16infobotSee ~Adys, or a slave driver.
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23:18.21Skosiris~adys
23:18.22infobotSee ~Skosiris
23:18.22Losnarhaha
23:18.27rayford|workHahaha.
23:18.29Malgaynehahaha
23:18.40rayford|workThats so awesome.
23:18.46rayford|work>.>  Back to working.
23:19.34Adysas of now ill be the slave driver. Skosiris, every 200 screenshots you need to get up a new feature I asked on the website :)
23:20.11MalgayneI'll get 'em
23:20.13Adysso when Ill be done with this batch I want to see the junk faction filter
23:20.16TecnoBratso I'm a jerk ... DONT CLICK THIS: http://www.progenywow.com/zulaman.php
23:20.23TecnoBratthat redirects to the rickroll page
23:20.27Malgaynehehe
23:20.42TecnoBrat"I uploaded some screenshots that were posted in the wowhead channel"
23:20.54TecnoBrathehe
23:21.05m910qomg fag!
23:21.12Malgayne...
23:21.18Malgayne...you didn't click, did you?
23:21.27TecnoBratI said .. dont click!
23:21.28m910qofc I did, I always do
23:21.30AdysTecnoBrat: "Advanced NoScript blocked 7 possible aggressive scripts on the page" wtf is that :P
23:21.48TecnoBrathaha Adys, it gives alert windows for every single line in the song
23:21.48Malgayne"so I'm a jerk ... DONT CLICK THIS: http://www.progenywow.com/zulaman.php"
23:21.56Adysrofl
23:21.59MalgayneHow much clearer can you be?
23:22.14TecnoBratnot sure Malgayne
23:22.14m910qHmm, my antivirus sucks, it didnt catch it..
23:22.15reapersarmsmake it in colour :D
23:22.28Malgaynehttp://thisisobviouslyakeyloggersodontclickit.com"
23:22.32Adysantivirus dont catch javascripts m910q  lol
23:22.35Losnar"zee googles they do nothing"
23:22.43Adysmalgayne, your link doesnt work
23:22.53MalgayneGah!
23:22.55Adyshaha
23:23.00m910qAdys what do you mean?
23:23.00KalrothSilly Mal!
23:23.01Adysyou asked for it
23:23.42*** part/#wowhead Corgan (n=nowai@cpe-66-91-0-65.hawaii.res.rr.com)
23:23.46DiscoverI found something again for you, Malgayne :P /hide
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23:23.53Corganwhoops
23:24.06MalgayneWhat's up, Discover?
23:24.31m910qWell, that javascript don't work in my browser :)
23:25.53DiscoverUnder Dev - change misceallenous to miscellaneous and also splitted to split
23:27.00Djjinrooo spelling mistakes!
23:27.20TecnoBratI blame Skosiris
23:27.24TecnoBratand his frenchness
23:27.34AdysSkosiris, having written "splitted" will cost you three features.
23:27.34Djjini work with some brits and they think that color should be spelled colour!!!
23:27.45AdysGet working, slacker!
23:27.50Discoverlol, Adys
23:28.01TecnoBratit should be spelled colour
23:28.13m910qAre all oppers and voice people working on wowhead?
23:28.15TecnoBratyou can't change the word colour!
23:28.24Djjini have too
23:28.27Djjinit bothers me
23:28.34PeterLOLIsnt it diff. in br. eng and am. eng?
23:28.36TecnoBratm910q, some are employees, and some are moderators, editors, etc
23:28.43TecnoBratPeterLOL, yes
23:28.46m910qah ok
23:28.51Djjinhuge difference
23:28.53TecnoBratUK and CA english = colour
23:28.56Djjineven the keyboard is different
23:28.59TecnoBratUS english = color
23:29.08DjjinAmericans << Lazy
23:29.09rayford|workSilly Britt's and Canadians.  : P
23:29.10Djjin:D
23:29.30rayford|workDjjin:  Thats right!  Typing that extra letter will get me that much closer to carpal tunnel!
23:29.52TecnoBrathome time!
23:30.32rayford|workEnjoy Techno.  ( :
23:30.43MalgayneLater.  :)
23:31.52KalrothNo cows in this room!
23:32.18KalrothIt's enough with Frenchies and Canucks!
23:33.05Malgaynedamn.
23:33.11Adyslol
23:33.14Skosirislol
23:33.21Skosirisl2emote
23:34.54PeterLOLpenis killed the chan :(
23:35.27CorganThat's what I do.
23:35.36Malgaynepenis?
23:35.40Kalrothhahaha
23:35.50Corganyep
23:35.51rayford|workYes.  Yes it did.
23:35.54rayford|work>.>
23:35.55rayford|work<.<
23:35.57rayford|workBewbies!
23:36.02CorganBoobies!
23:36.17rayford|workHahaha.
23:36.21rayford|workSorry Mal.
23:38.49rayford|workNatural progression.  :D
23:39.16Skosirishttp://www.wowhead.com/?user=phaydre <--- so close to the exaltation
23:40.39Discoverphaydre should get a gold star
23:40.57MalgayneHe gets "exalted" instead.  :)
23:41.12Skosirisphaydre is a lady, Malgayne
23:41.19MalgaynePardon
23:41.53MalgayneAh yes!
23:47.56AdysSKOSIRIS YES
23:48.00AdysFinally
23:48.06Adysmass deletion of comments. :)
23:49.13KalrothIt didn't work for me though!
23:49.41KalrothBut maybe it wasn't intended for users to delete their own comments?
23:50.16Adysit is actually
23:51.06DiscoverMy Profile > Select all ;)
23:51.57Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&1.5836#32272
23:52.04Adysthis is the kind of shots that need a caption
23:52.23Skosiriswhy
23:53.03rayford|workHeh.  he looks so maniacal.
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