| 00:02.51 | g0urra | starspun: she's counting on you |
| 00:02.57 | g0urra | it's important |
| 00:03.01 | starspun | They ALL are! |
| 00:06.53 | Gary|tp | well |
| 00:06.54 | Gary|tp | this sucks |
| 00:06.59 | Gary|tp | right click is broken in firefox :/ |
| 00:07.10 | Raws | * is broken in Firefox |
| 00:07.20 | Gary|tp | I hate firefox ffff |
| 00:07.38 | Raws | Did you see that they're disabling Websockets in FF 4b7 |
| 00:07.39 | Gary|tp | yay for having to restart entire browser |
| 00:07.45 | Gary|tp | lolwut |
| 00:07.53 | fewyn | just did lost city |
| 00:07.57 | fewyn | that was a lot of fun actually |
| 00:08.01 | Raws | Apparently along with Opera, in protest to some security issues |
| 00:08.05 | Gary|tp | are they still pissed off cause of freenode spambots |
| 00:08.07 | Corgan | fewyn |
| 00:08.09 | Corgan | I like it :D |
| 00:08.14 | Corgan | you doing heroics? |
| 00:08.20 | fewyn | nope |
| 00:08.24 | fewyn | i don't think i have the gear yet |
| 00:08.27 | Corgan | mmhmm |
| 00:08.30 | fewyn | i got the agi cloak out of lost city |
| 00:08.34 | Corgan | I'm at uh |
| 00:08.36 | Corgan | 324 ilvl |
| 00:08.40 | fewyn | 324 ilevel |
| 00:08.43 | Corgan | you need 329 to queue |
| 00:08.44 | fewyn | hi5 |
| 00:08.44 | Corgan | for heroics |
| 00:08.47 | Corgan | hi5 |
| 00:08.55 | fewyn | i bought two pieces of jp gears |
| 00:09.01 | fewyn | oh dagger and shoulders |
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| 00:09.45 | Corgan | I bought gloves |
| 00:09.45 | Corgan | heh |
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| 00:13.27 | Gary|tp | Q: When u plant a male seed with male weed seed will it grow |
| 00:13.28 | Gary|tp | lool |
| 00:13.52 | njoos | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/going-commando-on-the-tsa-redux-a-kilt-wearer-speaks.ars |
| 00:13.54 | njoos | self portrait |
| 00:13.56 | njoos | what a winner |
| 00:14.32 | Gary|tp | he's gonna be so disappointed when his plants either die or he realizes that males are useless |
| 00:20.46 | Raws | Don't perpetrate the "males are useless" line, Gary! |
| 00:20.50 | Raws | You're not helping our case at all |
| 00:21.23 | Gary|tp | Raws, the only thing they're used for is breeding new strains |
| 00:21.31 | Gary|tp | you can't smoke them and they cripple the THC production of females |
| 00:21.55 | njoos | I smoked your mum |
| 00:22.02 | Gary|tp | snap |
| 00:22.16 | njoos | burned |
| 00:22.23 | starspun | My mum's still smokin' |
| 00:22.25 | Gary|tp | .ib |
| 00:22.30 | starspun | (fff) |
| 00:22.38 | Raws | Hell yeah, she is |
| 00:22.51 | fewyn | hrm |
| 00:22.56 | fewyn | missing 4 quests from uldum |
| 00:23.30 | Raws | Guess you don't quite have uldum yet |
| 00:24.05 | zerq | ever notice how all the druids with names like "tanksaton" "loltree" etc are always terribad boomkins these days? |
| 00:24.07 | fewyn | http://www.wowhead.com/zone=5034#show:alliance:quest |
| 00:24.21 | njoos | Realized I'm a super nerd today |
| 00:24.26 | Raws | Again |
| 00:24.37 | njoos | Was at a party, end of semester thing, didn't really drink since I wanted to get home to play world of warcraft |
| 00:24.45 | starspun | Bad njoos |
| 00:24.52 | njoos | and I talked about how to use a GPU to crack a set of MD5 encoded passwords with my classmate for the entire thing |
| 00:24.57 | zerq | "tankodiin" in my new random, ret pally |
| 00:24.58 | Raws | njoos not gettin' joosed |
| 00:24.59 | zerq | lolz |
| 00:26.12 | Gary|tp | are you just |
| 00:26.14 | Gary|tp | PARANOID |
| 00:26.18 | Gary|tp | *wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub* |
| 00:26.18 | Arkaen | Millhouse Manastorm broke my heart |
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| 00:26.28 | fewyn | kik |
| 00:26.29 | fewyn | lol |
| 00:27.05 | Arkaen | fewyn: Seriously |
| 00:27.07 | Raws | Will Wowhead ever merge NPCs which appear in different phases and different places? |
| 00:27.09 | Raws | Like http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=adarrah#npcs |
| 00:27.19 | Arkaen | I will beat his ass for being SUCH A LETDOWN |
| 00:27.44 | Raws | I like this map http://www.wowhead.com/npc=43051 |
| 00:28.25 | starspun | Oh, lol, what |
| 00:28.36 | starspun | Only just noticed the From Hell's Heart I Stab at Thee achievement |
| 00:28.53 | Raws | Aww yeah, the baddest-ass achievement |
| 00:29.21 | Gary|tp | yeeeeee |
| 00:29.25 | *** join/#wowhead arcanium (~michael@c-24-98-130-165.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 00:29.36 | Gary|tp | whats up arcanium |
| 00:29.47 | Gary|tp | is GV still alive? |
| 00:29.50 | Raws | yeeeeeee |
| 00:30.47 | fewyn | ok i can't figure out what quests i'm missing unless they are counting the dungeon quests |
| 00:31.05 | Arkaen | starspun: |
| 00:31.10 | Arkaen | What's it for? |
| 00:31.19 | Raws | I think that's the one for killing the whale shark? |
| 00:31.23 | starspun | Killing the whale shark in Vashj'ir |
| 00:31.36 | Raws | It wouldn't make sense for anything but |
| 00:32.00 | Arkaen | Oh, yeah |
| 00:32.08 | Arkaen | What directory is it under? Exploring and shizz? |
| 00:32.20 | Raws | http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=4975 |
| 00:32.24 | stuf | hahah |
| 00:32.25 | Raws | Exploration > Cataclysm |
| 00:32.25 | stuf | oh man |
| 00:32.32 | stuf | the goblin dialogues |
| 00:32.34 | stuf | [02:30] Hobart Grapplehammer says: Simply aim and pull the trigger. Or don't aim. I wash my hands of the whole thing. |
| 00:32.37 | stuf | [02:31] Assistant Greely says: I can hit my house from here! |
| 00:32.39 | stuf | [02:31] Hobart Grapplehammer says: Greely, you're not randomly firing that thing into Bilgewater Port, are you? |
| 00:32.42 | stuf | [02:31] Assistant Greely says: No. |
| 00:32.45 | stuf | [02:31] Assistant Greely says: Maybe. |
| 00:32.47 | stuf | [02:31] Assistant Greely says: A little. |
| 00:33.34 | Raws | blol |
| 00:33.37 | Raws | Oh, no way |
| 00:33.43 | Raws | "During Beta, this achievement awarded the title "Ishmael" for a very short time" |
| 00:33.56 | Raws | Why did they have to take that out |
| 00:35.57 | Medlir | So what's the story with the client/auth failed? |
| 00:36.09 | Gary|tp | does anyone else feel a strong urge to stop talking to someone after they send you one of those retarded forward text messages |
| 00:36.28 | Gary|tp | "OH HERP DERP SALVATION ARMY IS WORKING WITH T-MOBILE TO DONATE 5 CENTS FOR EVERY PERSON YOU SEND THIS TXT TOO!!!!" |
| 00:36.31 | Raws | Don't you basically get retarded forward text messages for hours on end while you're watching movies |
| 00:36.37 | starspun | Yes, Gary. |
| 00:36.53 | Gary|tp | haha Raws |
| 00:36.57 | Raws | Salvia Army is working with T-Mobile to donate five cents to every person you send this text to |
| 00:37.00 | Gary|tp | I can deal with it there as it's easy money |
| 00:37.10 | Gary|tp | but on my personal phone I literally block the person |
| 00:37.12 | Gary|tp | and avoid them IRL |
| 00:37.29 | Raws | What if ChaCha accidentally forwarded every text message to your personal phone |
| 00:37.31 | Raws | WHAT IF |
| 00:37.31 | Gary|tp | I cannot stand the level of ignorance these people must live their lives in :x |
| 00:38.14 | starspun | My mother sent me the text going all "DID YOU KNOW IT'S 832 (or whatever) YEARS SINCE THE LAST TIME THERE WERE FIVE FRIDAYS, SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS IN OCTOBER? IF YOU FORWARD THIS TO AT LEAST 8 PEOPLE YOU WILL GET RICH" |
| 00:38.23 | starspun | I almost slapped her silly. |
| 00:38.58 | Raws | Rich with slaps |
| 00:39.22 | Gary|tp | it pisses me off even more as salvation army is nothing but a front to force feed religion onto people |
| 00:39.38 | Gary|tp | they will kick gay or atheists out of their homeless shelters |
| 00:39.44 | Raws | Yikes |
| 00:40.10 | Gary|tp | you must be an active christian to volunteer/use salvation army services |
| 00:41.00 | Malgayne | To be fair I don't think the salvation army can really be called a "front" if they're public about their religious affiliation |
| 00:41.03 | robokitty | D: |
| 00:41.09 | sygnous | I swear I'm getting really old |
| 00:41.20 | sygnous | I'll be doing something, look the other way and then totally forget what I was doing |
| 00:41.38 | fewyn | and i figured out what quests i'm missing |
| 00:41.40 | fewyn | yay for wowhead |
| 00:41.41 | fewyn | http://www.wowhead.com/quests=1.5034?filter=cr=19;crs=3;crv=0 |
| 00:41.43 | robokitty | Gary|tp, AA is apparently also really about religion |
| 00:41.54 | Gary|tp | robokitty, you have no idea lol |
| 00:42.32 | Gary|tp | I was forced to attend AA meetings as a child due to my mother/fathers drug/alcohol addictions |
| 00:42.32 | robokitty | I just remember reading a post at JREF, where someone mentioned it |
| 00:42.43 | Gary|tp | They tell you that AA isn't about religion, and then they start going through the steps and how you complete them |
| 00:42.44 | Jamash | AA is about the POWER of the LORD to HEAL your SINS and also maybe about alcohol addiction |
| 00:42.53 | Gary|tp | and practically every step is about a "higher power" |
| 00:42.54 | Malgayne | AA isn't about religion exactly |
| 00:42.57 | Malgayne | But it's theistic |
| 00:43.06 | djh- | Gary|tp: heh, so of inclusivity towards nonbelievers and helping the needy, which strikes you as the important one? |
| 00:43.19 | Jamash | djh-: false dichotomy |
| 00:43.29 | Jamash | you can't do the second one without the first one |
| 00:43.37 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, sure, nothing in the big book or the 12 steps specifically declares you need to believe in God |
| 00:43.48 | sygnous | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/921308/screenshots/WoWScrnShot_120810_193244.jpg |
| 00:43.57 | sygnous | is that how the game is supposed to look? |
| 00:44.03 | Jamash | 404 not found |
| 00:44.08 | Malgayne | Gary: You misunderstand my point, I thinkâall I'm trying to say is that theism != religion |
| 00:44.08 | Gary|tp | but it does force a higher power upon you, and everyone in the meetings will worship a christian god |
| 00:44.25 | Malgayne | You can believe in god, or a higher power, without being religious |
| 00:44.26 | Raws | sygnous: it is when your video card is overheating |
| 00:44.38 | Jamash | oh, now it loaded, and uh, wow, that's special |
| 00:44.50 | sygnous | you think that's it? |
| 00:44.58 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, erm... the 12 steps specifically state that you must accept that your life has become unmanagable, and turn to a higher power to lead your life |
| 00:45.04 | Gary|tp | it's more than just theism as a bare concept |
| 00:45.05 | Raws | sygnous: that's usually what causes glitches like that |
| 00:45.12 | Raws | Something's running hot |
| 00:45.26 | Jamash | Malgayne: you really can't |
| 00:45.34 | Gary|tp | it doesn't exactly force you to worship any god, but it does force you to accept a god into your life and accept that "you have no power over your addiction" |
| 00:45.39 | Jamash | Malgayne: that's pretty much the definition |
| 00:45.48 | sygnous | guess I need to look into that then |
| 00:45.56 | Malgayne | Jamash: Let me correct my terminology |
| 00:46.03 | Malgayne | You can believe in god without adhering to a religion |
| 00:46.19 | Jamash | Malgayne: I don't know what that means. |
| 00:46.23 | Gary|tp | and if you actually sit through a few meetings, you'll quickly learn that pretty much everyone there is christian |
| 00:46.36 | Gary|tp | and, well, let's just say I almost got kicked out for atheist debates numerous times |
| 00:46.42 | Limbero | we talking AA? |
| 00:46.46 | Gary|tp | yes, Limbero |
| 00:46.51 | Raws | Jamash: you can believe in a higher power without identifying with a set of further religious beliefs |
| 00:46.52 | Limbero | I'm not surprised |
| 00:46.56 | Malgayne | Gary: That doesn't surprise me either |
| 00:46.56 | Limbero | I've heard this before |
| 00:47.18 | Malgayne | Gary: Imagine if I'm a scientologist and I believe that all psychology is evil and should be avoided |
| 00:47.28 | sygnous | my GPU is around 56C |
| 00:47.29 | Malgayne | My mother is seeing a psychiatrist |
| 00:47.36 | Malgayne | And I am attending the sessions with her |
| 00:47.52 | Jamash | Raws: You can say you're a unicorn but that doesn't make you one. |
| 00:48.03 | Malgayne | In the session I point out that Psychiatry is a fraud and should be avoided |
| 00:48.07 | Limbero | wait, is this a comparison of atheism and scientology as equally crazy? |
| 00:48.09 | Malgayne | The psychiatrist is likely to kick me out |
| 00:48.12 | Limbero | or am I reading it wrong? |
| 00:48.25 | Jamash | s/say/believe/ |
| 00:48.32 | Malgayne | Nah |
| 00:48.38 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, technically speaking, scientology does not believe psychology is a fraud, they just have their own methods of dealing in psychiatric practices |
| 00:48.39 | Gary|tp | IIRC |
| 00:48.45 | Malgayne | I'm just using an example with someone who is obviously crazy :P |
| 00:48.46 | Limbero | Jamash, I've met Raws, he is a unicorn |
| 00:48.49 | Limbero | he speared me |
| 00:48.49 | Gary|tp | and they don't accept mainstream psychiatry |
| 00:49.02 | Malgayne | Gary: The basic point remains valid though |
| 00:49.06 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, but the point was that I was being forced to attend something that is force feeding religion upon me |
| 00:49.08 | Jamash | They believe that psychiatry is not only a fraud but an international conspiracy |
| 00:49.18 | Gary|tp | the mere fact that courts can mandate my attendence to AA is utter bullshit, imo |
| 00:49.23 | Malgayne | Gary: Were you an alcoholic? |
| 00:49.34 | Gary|tp | no, my parents were, and my mother made me attend alateen |
| 00:49.48 | Gary|tp | and I went to several alanon/AA meetings as well |
| 00:49.51 | Malgayne | So what you're complaining about is that your mother attended a service which is religious in nature, and made you attend |
| 00:49.53 | Djane | It should be noted though it's not like you live in a religious open society. |
| 00:50.12 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, I'm complaining that a government backed organization is forcing religion upon it's attendents |
| 00:50.26 | Djane | You can point to almost every mainstream or established institution and find out christian or catholic ties. |
| 00:50.37 | Malgayne | All churches are government-backed |
| 00:50.45 | Limbero | Gary|tp, to the government's defense, the whole damn point of the crazy states of yours is belief in god |
| 00:50.46 | Gary|tp | I feel that if courts can force me to go to AA, then AA should not be able to try to convince me that there is a god |
| 00:51.05 | Malgayne | Gary: That's a valid point |
| 00:51.09 | Jamash | Gary|tp: you probably have grounds for a lawsuit |
| 00:51.15 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, there is never a situation (AFAIK) that a court will order you to attend a church |
| 00:51.17 | Raws | I keep reading "AA" as "MA" and getting way confused |
| 00:51.18 | Malgayne | I'm not sure I agree with you but it's a valid point |
| 00:51.26 | Gary|tp | but if the judge thinks you have a drinking problem, you're forced to attend AA |
| 00:51.28 | Djane | AA isn't exclusively christian, however. |
| 00:51.32 | Djane | Whilst those that run it might be |
| 00:51.35 | Gary|tp | we already covered that, Djane |
| 00:51.38 | Djane | Fair enough. |
| 00:51.45 | Limbero | lol, I almost had to take an interview with a Swedish equivalent of AA (not religious though) this week |
| 00:51.51 | Djane | It's not hte organisation that's necessarily at fault but the people within it |
| 00:51.51 | Gary|tp | I also disagree with the mere concept of AA |
| 00:51.58 | Limbero | but I got out of it because I'd only drunk alcohol once |
| 00:52.05 | Gary|tp | I drink, and I do stupid stuff while drunk, but does that mean I have an issue? that I have an addiction? no |
| 00:52.26 | Djane | AA helps a lot of people. |
| 00:52.40 | Gary|tp | sure it does, and I'm really glad it exists |
| 00:52.46 | Jamash | not as many as you might think |
| 00:52.46 | Gary|tp | but court mandated AA attendence is bullshit |
| 00:53.06 | Gary|tp | it's just not something that I think could ever help me personally |
| 00:53.08 | Djane | It's just court mandated rehab. |
| 00:53.14 | Djane | It's pretty much that or prison, usually. |
| 00:53.34 | Limbero | yeah, but rehab that includes "god will heal you" |
| 00:53.38 | Malgayne | Gary: here's a question for you |
| 00:53.40 | Gary|tp | throwing a true alcohol addict in prison can lead to death |
| 00:53.42 | Gary|tp | so... |
| 00:53.48 | Djane | Limbero, except it's not god. It's faith in choice. Which is pretty accurate. |
| 00:54.00 | Malgayne | Gary: Let's imagine a hypothetical situation |
| 00:54.05 | Gary|tp | okay :) |
| 00:54.07 | Gary|tp | sec gonna grab food |
| 00:54.28 | Malgayne | I'm assuming you don't have any problem with court-mandated alcoholism counseling |
| 00:54.37 | Malgayne | Provided that it isn't religious in nature |
| 00:54.48 | Malgayne | So assuming that's true |
| 00:55.07 | Malgayne | Let's say there are two alcoholism counseling options |
| 00:55.10 | Malgayne | one of which is AA |
| 00:55.26 | Arkaen | STRING CHEESE GIVES ME POWER |
| 00:55.37 | Malgayne | And one of which is non-religious, but also has a significantly lower success rate |
| 00:56.00 | Malgayne | In this hypothetical situation, what should the state do? |
| 00:56.04 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, well, I believe that most people are in control of their drinking, and think that they don't have a problem because they got too drunk one night and pissed in a mailbox. |
| 00:56.05 | Limbero | Djane, I'm not positive what that means |
| 00:56.09 | Lothrik | quick question: if you had 3 talent points to spend (no more, no less) and could only put them into Inner Sanctum, Atonement or Strength of Soul, which would you put them in to? |
| 00:56.25 | Limbero | all I know is that from what I've seen of AA it's a lot about putting yourself into god's hands |
| 00:56.31 | Gary|tp | a judge will look at that person like he looks at every other "alcoholic" he gets into the court |
| 00:56.36 | Gary|tp | and will assume they are an "addict" |
| 00:56.42 | Malgayne | Gary: For the sake of argument, let's assume we're dealing with someone who is unequivocally an alcoholic |
| 00:56.45 | Djane | Limbero, the mantra behind AA is not belief in god. But belief in a higher power than self. In the ability to choose life, health and freedom from addiction. whilst many services and people assume this means religion it is not inherently so. |
| 00:57.10 | Djane | There's a lot of bias in the institution though, which is unfortunate. |
| 00:57.14 | Limbero | yeah |
| 00:57.18 | Limbero | that's what I meant |
| 00:57.26 | Jamash | LSD is more effective in treating alcoholism than AA |
| 00:57.35 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, they should allow the person to make a decision, attend AA, a non-religious rehab/counseling, or prison |
| 00:57.54 | Gary|tp | the choice should be left to the addict, imho |
| 00:58.05 | Gary|tp | if you stick an atheist person such as myself into AA |
| 00:58.08 | Gary|tp | it's going to fail terribly |
| 00:58.31 | Malgayne | That's likely true |
| 00:58.38 | Malgayne | In your case you know best what you would respond to |
| 00:58.43 | Malgayne | But also you're not an alcoholic |
| 00:58.47 | sygnous | nothing seems exceptionally hot |
| 00:58.52 | sygnous | might be the drivers |
| 00:58.58 | Gary|tp | that's not to say that I haven't had addictions, Malgayne |
| 00:59.02 | Djane | Jamash, untrue. |
| 00:59.07 | Malgayne | Is there a case where the person in question legitimately doesn't know which is best for him? |
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| 00:59.09 | Gary|tp | I've been Hooked on Opiates several times |
| 00:59.24 | robokitty | eh, did wowhead just take a hit? |
| 00:59.30 | Jamash | Djane: actually, true |
| 00:59.40 | sygnous | fuck queues |
| 00:59.41 | sygnous | wtf |
| 00:59.53 | Djane | Jamash, no. There are a couple studies that held inconclusive results in terms of the effectiveness of psychotropic drugs in curing addiction. |
| 01:00.09 | Djane | one of which which held conclusive but utlimately unreplicatable results. |
| 01:00.15 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, then sure, the state should decide. it's still a better system than to assume every single person who drinks is an addict and should go to a religious recovery center. |
| 01:00.45 | Malgayne | Gary: It seems like we're working backwards on the root of your objections here |
| 01:00.59 | Malgayne | First you seemed to say that you felt it was wrong for AA to incorporate religion into their therapy |
| 01:01.15 | Raws | http://stlvintage.com/images/110810041a.jpg |
| 01:01.22 | Djane | Furthermore none of these studies that report this idea followed through with a withdrawal analysis to consider long term treatment of acloholism which is the biggest and most important point. |
| 01:01.23 | Malgayne | Then you seemed to say that you felt it was wrong for courts to be able to mandate a religious form of counseling |
| 01:01.23 | Lothrik | people that go to AA and claim it isn't religious crack me up almost as much as people who claim religion isn't harmful |
| 01:01.25 | Limbero | do want Raws |
| 01:01.26 | Lothrik | http://silkworth.net/bb/weagnostics.html |
| 01:01.39 | Djane | Lothrik, I like the word inherently. |
| 01:01.53 | Djane | AA isn't inherently religious, and religion isn't inherently harmful. |
| 01:01.59 | Malgayne | Then you seemed to say that it was okay for courts to mandate religion-based counseling as long as they didn't do it to everyone |
| 01:02.01 | Djane | Can it be? Yes. Is it often? yes. |
| 01:02.07 | Djane | Does that make it always? Hell no. |
| 01:02.16 | sygnous | believing in things that don't exist isn't harmful? |
| 01:02.21 | sygnous | that's almost like being an addict |
| 01:02.21 | Limbero | ^ |
| 01:02.30 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, not at all, tbh. Religion is a key piece of AA, and I think it is what makes it so successful. The saying "ignorance is bliss" exists for a reason. Many people have trouble understanding the concept that there is nothing out there, no reason to live, etc... and teaching them about god and how god can help them quit drinking works great. |
| 01:02.52 | starspun | Believing in dinosaurs has never harmed me. They don't exist (anymore). |
| 01:03.08 | sygnous | if you tell yourself "I'm not an addict", but then tell yourself "I believe in god".. it's the same thing |
| 01:03.11 | Limbero | starspun, lies |
| 01:03.12 | sygnous | your deluding yourself |
| 01:03.14 | Limbero | they do exist |
| 01:03.17 | Gary|tp | A lot of my recreation comes from drug use, and if I knew for 100% certainty that God exists and that I would go to hell for my drug use, I would quit. |
| 01:03.18 | Djane | sygnous, prove it? |
| 01:03.31 | sygnous | prove what? |
| 01:03.35 | Limbero | Djane, burden of proof is on the presenter of a claim |
| 01:03.36 | sygnous | it's your job to prove it's real |
| 01:03.36 | Djane | That god doesn't exist. |
| 01:03.49 | Gary|tp | [18:59:24] <Malgayne> Then you seemed to say that it was okay for courts to mandate religion-based counseling as long as they didn't do it to everyone |
| 01:03.50 | Limbero | the first claim is that god exists, not vice versa |
| 01:03.55 | Djane | Limbero, and he's claiming belief is delusion |
| 01:03.58 | starspun | You can't prove he exists. You can't prove he doesn't exist. |
| 01:04.00 | Malgayne | Limbero: sygnous has presented the claim "God does not exist" |
| 01:04.08 | Gary|tp | The key concept you missed here is that it should be the choice of the defendent. |
| 01:04.10 | Djane | The only rational scientific position around god is skeptical agnosticism |
| 01:04.12 | sygnous | I've never seen proof |
| 01:04.17 | Limbero | Malgayne, which couldn't exist without the first claim that god does exist |
| 01:04.20 | Limbero | and Djane is correct |
| 01:04.22 | Malgayne | It's fair to say "we don't know if there is a god, there's no proof either way" |
| 01:04.24 | starspun | And people who believe feel they have enough proof. |
| 01:04.29 | Djane | Quite. |
| 01:04.31 | Limbero | but skeptical to the point where it basically is atheism |
| 01:04.44 | Malgayne | But stating that there is no god is a claim that needs supporting, the same as stating that there is one |
| 01:04.45 | sygnous | like people that believe in god can say ET's don't exist |
| 01:04.50 | sygnous | they have no proof |
| 01:04.51 | Limbero | Malgayne, no |
| 01:04.59 | Limbero | first claim is "god exists" |
| 01:05.05 | sygnous | the burden of proof is on the claimer |
| 01:05.05 | Limbero | the anti-claim wouldn' |
| 01:05.12 | Limbero | t be if there wasn't the first claim |
| 01:05.25 | Djane | Limbero, but synous's claim isn't "god doesn't exist". it's "you're deluded if you believe in god" |
| 01:05.33 | Djane | Which is a somewhat different although strongly corrolated claim. |
| 01:05.35 | Jamash | If I say unicorns don't exist, the burden of proof is not on me to prove a negative |
| 01:05.42 | Limbero | Djane, oh, I didn't see that |
| 01:05.46 | sygnous | no, I was comparing denial to belief in god |
| 01:05.48 | Jamash | Likewise with god |
| 01:06.02 | Malgayne | Limbero: That's not a viable position to hold, though. You're assuming that the default state of all beliefs is negative, until proof is presented otherwise, and that's not true |
| 01:06.05 | Gary|tp | Jamash, but there are people out there that believe in unicorns |
| 01:06.11 | Gary|tp | just as there are idiotic wiccans |
| 01:06.11 | Limbero | Malgayne, yes it is |
| 01:06.15 | Gary|tp | and other religious wackos |
| 01:06.20 | Djane | Limbero, incorrect. |
| 01:06.29 | Gary|tp | the fact of the matter is that humanity in general prefers to be ignorant |
| 01:06.30 | Malgayne | Limbero: If Stephen Hawking told me that Black Holes exist, my default response would be to believe him |
| 01:06.35 | Jamash | Furthermore, since when we talk about "god" we're usually talking about monotheistic religions, by your logic the burden of proof is on them to disprove the existence of every alternative deity |
| 01:06.38 | Malgayne | Even though I have no evidence (yet) to support his claim |
| 01:06.38 | Djane | Proof does not change reality. |
| 01:06.39 | Lothrik | http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/eghgd/why_there_is_no_god_quick_responses_to_some/ |
| 01:06.46 | sygnous | Malgayne: but it's been a little while.... you'd think that the billions of people that believe in this "ghost" could have one shred of evidence |
| 01:06.56 | Limbero | Malgayne, because he's an authoritative (sp?) person with a history of well-backed claims |
| 01:06.58 | Limbero | that's called trust |
| 01:07.01 | sygnous | Malgayne: we can see black holes |
| 01:07.01 | Djane | Limbero, let me put it like this. |
| 01:07.04 | Malgayne | Limbero: That's correct |
| 01:07.16 | starspun | Limbero, and kids grow up into religion because people they trust tell them God exist. |
| 01:07.17 | Limbero | trust is a form of proof |
| 01:07.19 | Malgayne | But some claims can be trusted without proof, and some cannot |
| 01:07.21 | Djane | When somebody makes a claim of belief. The proof of it does not make that claim right or wrong |
| 01:07.26 | Djane | The truth exists independantly of the belief. |
| 01:07.26 | Limbero | although subjective |
| 01:07.27 | Lothrik | what? |
| 01:07.33 | Limbero | Djane, correct |
| 01:07.33 | Lothrik | no claim can be trusted without proof |
| 01:07.34 | Djane | Somebody can believe something both true or false without or with proof. |
| 01:07.36 | sygnous | truth is a one or a zero |
| 01:07.38 | Lothrik | that's just.. that's just wrong |
| 01:07.42 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, the evidence is all around you. hell, look up into the night sky with a telescope and you can even see the region of the galaxy where there is presumably a supermassive black hole keeping our solar system in orbit. |
| 01:07.43 | sygnous | either it's true, or it's false |
| 01:07.54 | Limbero | but the default state of BELIEF is nonexistense, no? |
| 01:07.57 | Jamash | I would further argue that it is easy to prove that any given god (except the most abstract) does not exist. |
| 01:08.01 | Malgayne | Gary: I agree there IS evidence |
| 01:08.03 | Djane | Limbero, why would it be? |
| 01:08.16 | Malgayne | There's plenty of evidence, though obviously nothing directly observational |
| 01:08.21 | Limbero | since it is not logical to go around believing everything exists (multiverse theory discarded for a moment) |
| 01:08.25 | Malgayne | Since black holes can't be directly observed |
| 01:08.26 | Lothrik | believing that ANYTHING is true before sufficient evidence is presented is a retarded position to take, I'm sorry |
| 01:08.36 | sygnous | they are directly observed |
| 01:08.37 | Lothrik | if somebody told me black holes exist, and I had no former knowledge of them |
| 01:08.39 | Djane | Limbero, everything no? Something? I think you'll find the entire history of mankind and the study of psychology to disagree. |
| 01:08.42 | Jamash | <religious document X> says their deity of choice behaves in such and such a manner, and has both the ability and desire to affect the universe in a visible way |
| 01:08.42 | Lothrik | and they did not present any evidence |
| 01:08.45 | Lothrik | I would not believe them |
| 01:08.50 | Djane | +tend |
| 01:08.58 | Jamash | The universe is not affected in that way. |
| 01:09.07 | Limbero | wait, what? |
| 01:09.11 | Gary|tp | Anyway, this has just turned into another religious debate, which is pointless and will never get anywhere, just as the last 5,000,000,000,000 religious debates have gone. |
| 01:09.16 | Djane | Limbero, it is human nature to believe in something. |
| 01:09.18 | Gary|tp | was nice debating wit chu, Malgayne |
| 01:09.18 | Jamash | Therefore, their deity of choice either does not exist or is not as described. |
| 01:09.25 | Lothrik | Science can't explain X. It probably can, have you read and understood peer reviewed information on the topic? Keep in mind, science only gives us a best fit model from which we can make predictions. If it really can't yet, then consider this: God the gaps. |
| 01:09.27 | Limbero | Djane, human nature is not logical |
| 01:09.35 | sygnous | Djane: it's also human nature to kill each other |
| 01:09.44 | Djane | Quite. So why judge humanity on a logical scale>? |
| 01:09.45 | Limbero | murder can be logical |
| 01:09.52 | Djane | Why expect a default state to be logical? |
| 01:09.53 | Limbero | Djane, I'm not talking about humanity |
| 01:10.01 | Limbero | default state should be logical |
| 01:10.04 | Djane | But it's not. |
| 01:10.07 | Djane | Human beings aren't. |
| 01:10.10 | Malgayne | Lothrik: Science give syou a best fit model from which you can make predictions |
| 01:10.11 | Limbero | let's call it the "logical default state" then |
| 01:10.12 | Djane | Should has nothing to come into it. |
| 01:10.15 | starspun | Should? Maybe. Is? No. |
| 01:10.17 | Limbero | because that's what I mean |
| 01:10.24 | Malgayne | It may not be perfect, but you believe it until a better explanation comes along |
| 01:10.29 | Lothrik | what the fuck, guys |
| 01:10.34 | Lothrik | you don't make predictions in science |
| 01:10.40 | Limbero | okay, I'm talking about the hypothetical default state of belief that is the most correct |
| 01:10.42 | Djane | That's a hypothetical abstract though Limbero and not borne out through anthropological science for one. |
| 01:10.42 | Malgayne | Lothrik you JUST SAID THIS |
| 01:10.43 | Malgayne | lol |
| 01:10.44 | Lothrik | you draw conclusions from evidence |
| 01:10.48 | Lothrik | you start with a theory, sure |
| 01:10.49 | Limbero | not the de-facto default state of belief |
| 01:10.49 | sygnous | you do make predictions |
| 01:10.52 | Djane | Errr |
| 01:10.55 | Malgayne | "Keep in mind, science only gives us a best fit model from which we can make predictions." |
| 01:10.56 | sygnous | that's how you get conclusions |
| 01:10.57 | Djane | It's not science if you can't make predictions. |
| 01:11.04 | Limbero | true |
| 01:11.08 | Malgayne | That was your statementâdid you copy/paste it from somewhere? :P |
| 01:11.14 | sygnous | it's not proven until it's proven though |
| 01:11.17 | Limbero | I think we mean the same thing from different perspectives |
| 01:11.21 | Limbero | if I'm reading this right |
| 01:11.21 | Lothrik | it's a snippet from the link I posted earlier |
| 01:11.28 | Lothrik | which I'm pretty sure nobody clicked |
| 01:11.33 | Malgayne | I clicked it |
| 01:11.42 | Malgayne | It's a big list of arguments I'm already familiar with :) |
| 01:11.51 | Malgayne | It looks like I may be the only theist in this room right now |
| 01:11.52 | Malgayne | lol |
| 01:11.55 | sygnous | I just don't like humans :P |
| 01:12.04 | Djane | Limbero, my point is this. Humanity is illogical, irrational. Belief is a fundamental part of our nature and society (proof existing in the fact that there has been no independant report of a godless culture, anthropologically speaking) |
| 01:12.07 | Raws | the only ist |
| 01:12.09 | sygnous | therefor I can't believe that a god created us, cause humans are cruel |
| 01:12.26 | Djane | So actually, the default state of humanity is to believe in something. Logic and rational may supercede this, but it is a supercession not a default. |
| 01:12.28 | Lothrik | here's a question Malgayne |
| 01:12.37 | Lothrik | what is your viewpoint on abortion |
| 01:12.39 | Limbero | Djane, all true, but you do see my point about the hypothetical default state? |
| 01:12.45 | Djane | This of course has no impact on the actuality of god, merely a sociological aspect. |
| 01:12.52 | sygnous | default state is no state |
| 01:13.01 | Limbero | ^ |
| 01:13.05 | sygnous | humans are lemmings |
| 01:13.13 | Djane | Limbero, I do but I disagree with it on a fundamental point. your hypothetical default state is a derived state, thus not default. |
| 01:13.14 | Jamash | I like how the judeo-christian explanation for why people are bad is that a person who explicitly had no knowledge of good or evil did something wrong. |
| 01:13.15 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I don't quite see the relevance, but for the sake of argument: I don't know whether it's right or wrong. |
| 01:13.18 | sygnous | 99% of the population are idiots |
| 01:13.38 | Djane | Everything we know about humanity tells us belief is the natural state, that no belief is abnormal in terms of sociological construction of ideas. |
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| 01:13.47 | Djane | Therefore the default state cannot be no state. |
| 01:13.57 | Lothrik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD97OVJ4PNw |
| 01:13.59 | Jamash | how can you do something wrong when you have no knowledge of wrongness? |
| 01:14.01 | sygnous | the default state is chaos |
| 01:14.02 | Djane | That is a derived state, a very good one in my opinion, but derived none the less. |
| 01:14.07 | Malgayne | I believe that abortion is a terrible thing, even when it is the best possible choice, and should be avoided unless no alternative is available |
| 01:14.20 | Malgayne | But my best guess is that there are some cases where it is the best choice |
| 01:14.44 | sygnous | I on the other hand think that abortion should be enforced |
| 01:14.47 | Malgayne | Looking forward to how you tie this in. :P |
| 01:14.48 | Djane | agrees with Malgayne on that topic. |
| 01:14.55 | sygnous | in order to better protect "the state" |
| 01:15.21 | sygnous | one shouldn't be allowed to "survive" unless they are "fittest" |
| 01:15.44 | Jamash | I think abortion should be left up to the pregnant women and it's not up to us to decide whether or not it's "a terrible thing" and "should be avoided" |
| 01:16.01 | Djane | Jamash, replace and with or. |
| 01:16.09 | Jamash | yeah sure |
| 01:16.18 | Djane | Abortion is always a terrible thing |
| 01:16.23 | Lothrik | if abortion is terrible, should it be illegal? If it's illegal, what should the punishment be for breaking the law and getting an abortion anyway? |
| 01:16.25 | Djane | but it can be the right thing, and it can be the wrong thing. |
| 01:16.27 | Jamash | I don't see it that way |
| 01:16.35 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I don't believe it should be illegal |
| 01:16.37 | Djane | Jamash, it's a traumatic horrid experience. |
| 01:16.44 | Jamash | Djane: So is childbirth |
| 01:16.45 | Djane | For the mother, and those around her. |
| 01:16.47 | sygnous | I just hate welfare |
| 01:16.50 | Djane | Not in the same way |
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| 01:17.03 | Djane | Abortion can have major long term psychological rammifications |
| 01:17.19 | Jamash | My mother had an abortion, don't talk down to me about it |
| 01:17.20 | sygnous | I was in the grocery store the other day, and this woman had 2 kids... using the food stamps... the baby was chewing on a box of marlboro's |
| 01:17.34 | Djane | I'm not talking down to anyone. |
| 01:17.38 | Jamash | yeah you are |
| 01:17.40 | Limbero | (some people go through abortion perfectly fine, without finding it horrible or traumatic, just sayin') |
| 01:17.42 | sygnous | that woman should not be allowed to use my money |
| 01:17.44 | Djane | Limbero, quite. |
| 01:18.00 | Djane | But that's a rarity. |
| 01:18.26 | Limbero | "fun" fact, Sweden has (some of?) the highest teenage abortion rates in the world |
| 01:18.31 | Djane | mhmm |
| 01:18.32 | starspun | She wasn't, she was using food stamps. :p |
| 01:18.49 | sygnous | I will concede, that I as a male, cannot even fathom what it means to have an abortion |
| 01:19.01 | sygnous | starspun: lol |
| 01:19.07 | Djane | Jamash, abortion is statistically more fatal to mothers than childbirth on a scale of about 10:1, for instance. |
| 01:19.12 | Djane | Purely through suicide |
| 01:19.23 | Jamash | Whether or not abortion should be illegal is another false dichotomy since most of the groups who oppose it actively are also opposed to sexual education and contraceptives |
| 01:19.27 | Limbero | sygnous, someone told me it's like cutting off your penis, it's not its own person yet, but it can hurt, and most people don't want to |
| 01:19.41 | Djane | Limbero, try this |
| 01:19.42 | sygnous | I didn't mean like that Limbero :) |
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| 01:19.49 | Djane | What's the most precious dearest thing you have in your life |
| 01:19.53 | sygnous | I mean, the emotional part |
| 01:19.55 | Limbero | my penis |
| 01:19.56 | Malgayne | Lothrik: You get my response there? |
| 01:19.58 | Djane | Your most valued essence |
| 01:20.04 | Limbero | my brain |
| 01:20.07 | Jamash | your mom |
| 01:20.12 | Lothrik | nope, pidgin crashed |
| 01:20.25 | Limbero | seriously, my brain |
| 01:20.27 | Djane | Limbero, now consider that the biological urge to recretion, especially in women is one of the most powerful motivators we have. |
| 01:20.38 | Jamash | recretion? |
| 01:20.45 | Djane | procreation, even. |
| 01:20.46 | Limbero | recreation/procreation |
| 01:20.49 | Limbero | don't nitpick |
| 01:20.51 | Malgayne | Lothrik I just said I didn't think it should be illegal |
| 01:20.52 | Djane | to you, the most important thing is your brain. |
| 01:21.00 | Djane | Destroy your brain. Go live as a cabbage. |
| 01:21.15 | Djane | Betray that which you hold most dear. |
| 01:21.20 | Limbero | well, I won't "live" very much without my brain |
| 01:21.25 | Jamash | Djane: Where are you going with this false analogy? |
| 01:21.35 | Djane | Now i'm not saying every person who has an abortion feels that way at all |
| 01:21.51 | Jamash | You're pontificating. |
| 01:21.55 | Limbero | hmm |
| 01:22.04 | Djane | But to betray the human need to procreate, combined with the hormonal adjustment to life along side a host of cultural guilt attachments |
| 01:22.16 | Limbero | eh, I still can't understand it, because I don't really fear death |
| 01:22.21 | Limbero | and removing my brain would kill me |
| 01:22.24 | Lothrik | the fact that religious texts are so widely open to interpretation, and yet people still refuse to acknowledge the idea that it could, you know, ALL be wrong, instead of just specific portions |
| 01:22.27 | Lothrik | just baffles me |
| 01:22.29 | Djane | You missed the analogy. |
| 01:22.38 | Limbero | oh, sorry |
| 01:22.57 | Djane | Not remove, damage or destroy in some way. Basically betray what to you is the most essential part of your life. |
| 01:23.06 | Jamash | I missed the valid analogy. |
| 01:23.08 | Malgayne | Lothrik: Did that have something to do with abortion, or did I foul it up by not believing it should be illegal? :P |
| 01:23.16 | Jamash | 'cause there wasn't one |
| 01:23.41 | Djane | Jamash, it's a matter of comparison. the human urge to procreate is in the vast majority of cases the greatest need a woman has whilst pregnant |
| 01:23.44 | Malgayne | Jamash: You can disagree without being mean. :P |
| 01:23.51 | Djane | To destroy that which you hold most dear is a valid analogy. |
| 01:23.53 | Jamash | Malgayne: I can, but I choose not to. |
| 01:24.08 | Limbero | Djane, well, I see what you're getting at |
| 01:24.12 | Limbero | but the analogy fails on my end |
| 01:24.15 | Malgayne | Continue to choose not to and I choose to ban you. :P |
| 01:24.28 | Lothrik | Malgayne: All it did was me that you're just trying to prove a point and don't really give a shit |
| 01:24.33 | Limbero | Malgayne, I only push my atheism as hard as religion is pushed on me |
| 01:24.38 | Limbero | so luckily, not very hard |
| 01:24.45 | Jamash | Djane: Many pregnant women who seek abortions find being pregnant the most horrible thing they can imagine and something that they will do anything to avoid. |
| 01:24.45 | Djane | Limbero, I think he;'s talking to Jamash there for one |
| 01:24.53 | Djane | Jamash, not many. A minority. |
| 01:24.54 | Limbero | oh |
| 01:24.57 | Djane | Whilst numerically many |
| 01:25.02 | Djane | it is in fact a minority across the board. |
| 01:25.10 | Jamash | then why did women seek abortions when it was illegal? |
| 01:25.22 | Djane | Because it is not an analog scale. |
| 01:25.44 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I'm confused. Are you saying that I don't give a shit about my theism because I believe abortion should be legal? |
| 01:25.59 | Djane | Because somewhere between "worst thing ever" and "I really don't want too but I have too" there is a continuum of feelings and emotions. Because human beings are not remotely black and white and because there is no such thing as a purely good or right feeling or act. |
| 01:26.22 | Jamash | I think you mean "binary" instead of "analog" |
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| 01:26.36 | Lothrik | I'm saying that you're willing to give up just about any point just to prove an atheist "wrong" |
| 01:26.39 | Djane | Not really. |
| 01:26.44 | Limbero | 2sleep |
| 01:26.45 | Djane | Because denying the human biological imperative causes massive dissonance regardless of attitude. |
| 01:26.56 | Lothrik | Prove me wrong, stand up for something fundamental to your beliefs |
| 01:27.11 | Malgayne | Lothrik: Nonsense. You asked my about my belief system and I answered you. It's not my fault you don't like my answer. :P |
| 01:27.23 | Djane | Lothrik, i'm an athiest but I agree with Malgayne in this instance. |
| 01:27.35 | Djane | Solve for values of X. |
| 01:27.45 | Malgayne | Likewise I believe that the New Testament is a fairly close representation of reality, while the Old Testament is a much looser interpretation of the truth. |
| 01:27.53 | Malgayne | I am nonetheless a Christian |
| 01:28.12 | Jamash | We're arguing whether "abortion is a terrible thing, even when it is the best possible choice, and should be avoided unless no alternative is available" and you're telling me about binary attitudes? |
| 01:28.20 | Djane | No. |
| 01:28.22 | Lothrik | http://i.imgur.com/nb3e3.png |
| 01:28.23 | Djane | that is not what i'm arguing. |
| 01:28.28 | Jamash | Yes, it is |
| 01:28.43 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I'm familiar with this post as well |
| 01:28.49 | Djane | I'm arguing "abortion is a terrible and horrid thing to experience, but that doesn't make it right or wrong. That it is often the right thing". I am pro choice. |
| 01:29.00 | Djane | You added that second part from something someone else said. |
| 01:29.08 | Primar | -01:26:03- [+Primar]: do your beliefs A) not hurt anybody, and B) make you happy |
| 01:29.08 | Primar | -01:26:12- [+Primar]: if so, then why would I care what you believe in |
| 01:29.09 | Malgayne | You can't spend time on the Internet without hearing a lot of this stuff, as you can tell from the conversation in the channel. :P |
| 01:29.18 | Primar | or not believe in. |
| 01:29.28 | Lothrik | Malgayne: What is a fundamental belief of Christianity that you do stand up for? |
| 01:29.30 | Djane | I believe abortion should always be an option if the mother chooses it, and it will always have a negative impact on them in some form. |
| 01:30.03 | Jamash | Djane: You said you agreed with Malgayne. I'm not psychic and I didn't know that you mentally added "except for the part I don't agree with". |
| 01:30.24 | Malgayne | Lothrik: http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm |
| 01:30.58 | Lothrik | that doesn't really answer the question, but okay |
| 01:31.07 | Lothrik | I'll go with the first thing it says in there |
| 01:31.08 | Djane | Jamash, quite. My mistake, your attitude is hardly conducive to clarifying such however. |
| 01:31.14 | Lothrik | God, maker of heaven and earth |
| 01:31.25 | Malgayne | That's a list of things that I believe |
| 01:31.31 | Malgayne | Not a comprehensive one but it seemed like the way to go here |
| 01:31.49 | Lothrik | .. it's not a list at all |
| 01:32.11 | SorbP | 14% hit in rating for cataclysm 85? |
| 01:32.38 | Malgayne | Lothrik: Splitting hairs. :P Call it what you will, I believe the statements in that creed |
| 01:32.42 | Djane | Lothrik, seems pretty listy to me. |
| 01:33.17 | Malgayne | The translation on the left is the one I am used to saying |
| 01:33.20 | fewyn | hrm how do the Ramkahen dailies work? do they rotate or something i can't see? |
| 01:33.22 | Malgayne | If you want to be specific |
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| 01:33.55 | Jamash | I'm not really clear on the concept of "terrible and horrible but not right or wrong" |
| 01:34.18 | Malgayne | Jamash: War |
| 01:34.24 | Malgayne | is terrible and horrible |
| 01:34.27 | Jamash | War is wrong. |
| 01:34.29 | Malgayne | But sometimes the right thing to do |
| 01:34.32 | Jamash | Bad example. |
| 01:34.37 | Malgayne | Okay, killing |
| 01:34.40 | fewyn | oh wait there's only one daily quest |
| 01:34.52 | Jamash | Also wrong, bad example. |
| 01:35.08 | Malgayne | A madman attempts to murder my family, and I can only stop him by killing him myself |
| 01:35.17 | Djane | A terrible action, but a good one. |
| 01:35.20 | Malgayne | That would be terrible and horrible but still the right thing to do |
| 01:35.38 | Jamash | I'm a Buddhist, we clearly disagree on that point. |
| 01:35.46 | Djane | SOmething being right does not automatically destroy/eliminate all the negative consequences of that action |
| 01:36.23 | Malgayne | That was the comparison I was drawing. Sometimes there are choices where all of the options are unpleasant for everyone involved |
| 01:36.27 | Djane | right/good wrong/bad |
| 01:36.31 | Lothrik | "We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ," <- what does this mean to you. |
| 01:36.53 | Malgayne | That segment specifically? |
| 01:37.02 | Malgayne | (as opposed to the "We believe in one God" section?) |
| 01:37.08 | Lothrik | yes, starting with the most simple assumptions |
| 01:37.32 | Jamash | I think you're muddling right/necessary |
| 01:37.34 | Djane | throws a spanner into the works |
| 01:37.39 | Djane | Athiesm is a belief structure. |
| 01:37.40 | Malgayne | I believe there was a human being that we now refer to as Jesus Christ, who lived approximately 2000 years ago |
| 01:37.43 | Djane | Jamash, no, really not. |
| 01:37.52 | Jamash | Djane: Yes, really so. |
| 01:37.57 | Djane | SOmething can be right without being necessary, something can be necessary without being a "right" action. |
| 01:38.07 | Malgayne | Who was special and fundamentally different from any other human being |
| 01:38.08 | Lothrik | Malgayne: What else? |
| 01:38.24 | Malgayne | I believe he was both fully human and fully god, in a way that I don't completely understand |
| 01:38.33 | Lothrik | Okay |
| 01:38.35 | Jamash | I think Jesus is overrated. |
| 01:38.37 | Lothrik | and WHY can't you understand it |
| 01:38.46 | Malgayne | Lothrik: Because it's complicated? |
| 01:38.54 | Lothrik | Lots of things are complicated. |
| 01:38.56 | Malgayne | I don't understand quantum physics either |
| 01:39.01 | Lothrik | People still try to understand them anyways. |
| 01:39.02 | Malgayne | But I believe it |
| 01:39.08 | Djane | Jamash, for example. There's a man with a gun. I know he's going to kill 3 people. 2 children and their mother. Is it right for me to if it's within my power, stop him? Yes. Is it a necessary imperative? Not at all. |
| 01:39.15 | Lothrik | People don't "believe" in quantum physics. |
| 01:39.28 | Lothrik | Why should anyone "believe" in something they can't even understand? |
| 01:39.36 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I don't know that I grasp the distinction you're making. |
| 01:40.05 | Jamash | oh now we're talking about "stopping" instead of "killing" |
| 01:40.06 | Lothrik | If I told you that the world had spaghetti at the center, and you had no way of proving otherwise |
| 01:40.12 | Djane | Malgayne, it's a transmutation of the "why is god worthy of worship argument if he provides proof" |
| 01:40.16 | Djane | Jamash, semantics. Assume kill. |
| 01:40.18 | Lothrik | and you had also seen it written in a thousand year old religious text |
| 01:40.22 | Lothrik | would you believe me? |
| 01:40.59 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I think you're trying to confuse the issue by making it sound silly |
| 01:41.01 | Djane | Jamash, necessary is a subjective and relative term. As are right and wrong. They operate on different moral scales. |
| 01:41.07 | Lothrik | I'm completely serious |
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| 01:41.10 | Lothrik | would you believe me |
| 01:41.12 | Lothrik | yes or no |
| 01:41.19 | Jamash | Malgayne: I think you're trying to confuse the issue by making Christianity sound not silly. |
| 01:41.21 | Djane | They often coincidence, cross and intercede |
| 01:41.30 | Lothrik | if your parents, and their parents, and their parents' parents |
| 01:41.37 | Lothrik | were raised on that specific religious text |
| 01:41.46 | Lothrik | to believe that there was spaghetti at the center of the earth |
| 01:41.51 | sprocket__ | Where is the place to go for new profession training? |
| 01:41.53 | Lothrik | would you believe me if I told you it was so |
| 01:41.55 | sprocket__ | for alliance |
| 01:42.00 | Lothrik | if you had never heard of it before |
| 01:42.00 | starspun | Any profession trainer. |
| 01:42.01 | Jamash | sprocket__: the existing profession trainers |
| 01:42.08 | Djane | Lothrik, who believes in christianity when they first hear it? |
| 01:42.12 | sprocket__ | all of them? |
| 01:42.16 | Lothrik | if you can't answer YES to my question |
| 01:42.17 | Malgayne | Djane: children |
| 01:42.19 | Djane | Faith is not a matter of instant revelation, false syllogism. |
| 01:42.21 | Lothrik | and instead continue to misdirect |
| 01:42.23 | starspun | All of them, yes. |
| 01:42.30 | Lothrik | you have NO RIGHT to even CONSIDER expecting other people |
| 01:42.34 | Lothrik | to take christianity seriously |
| 01:42.39 | Djane | Malgayne, children aren't capable of making a choice of faith when they're exposed to it. |
| 01:42.42 | Djane | Psychologically, anyways |
| 01:42.47 | Malgayne | Djane: Agreed |
| 01:42.49 | Malgayne | That's why |
| 01:42.50 | sprocket__ | thanks |
| 01:42.51 | Lothrik | Djane: Age of reason |
| 01:43.26 | Lothrik | If it was made illegal (on penalty of death) to expose children to religious concepts before the age of reason |
| 01:43.28 | Djane | Lothrik, iirc the 17th century was one of the most pious, overall. |
| 01:43.28 | Raws | sprocket__, though his time was short, will be remembered as a model #wowheadian |
| 01:43.32 | Lothrik | we would live in a very different world |
| 01:43.36 | Djane | Oh, that age of reason. |
| 01:43.44 | Djane | I was wondering where you were going with that. |
| 01:43.51 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I don't believe the comparison is valid |
| 01:43.51 | Malgayne | but |
| 01:44.00 | Malgayne | If there were a true world religion |
| 01:44.02 | Jamash | Malgayne: Is the sky solid? |
| 01:44.05 | Lothrik | Malgayne: Why don't you believe the concept is valid |
| 01:44.12 | Djane | It's not a valid comparison, because it provides a situation t hat doesn't exist in any faith structure. |
| 01:44.17 | Malgayne | Based on the tenets of spaghetti-at-the-center-of-the-earth-ism |
| 01:44.28 | fewyn | useful macro: /run LoadAddOn"Blizzard_TrainerUI" f=ClassTrainerTrainButton f.e = 0 if f:GetScript"OnUpdate" then f:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil)else f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(f,e) f.e=f.e+e if f.e>.01 then f.e=0 f:Click() end end)end |
| 01:44.33 | Djane | It doesn't happen Lothrik because it doesn't happen. |
| 01:44.34 | fewyn | trains all your skills |
| 01:44.39 | Djane | Nice fewyn |
| 01:44.49 | fewyn | used it on the jcing trainer |
| 01:45.03 | Malgayne | Then I would be inclined to consider the proposal |
| 01:45.14 | Lothrik | okay, fine |
| 01:45.15 | Malgayne | Match it up against my own experience of how the world works, and the opinions of people I trust |
| 01:45.19 | Djane | If you present person A with a faith structure which they have no experience of, regardless of religion, they will not become a believer based on one initial experience. |
| 01:45.22 | Lothrik | but one last question |
| 01:45.22 | Malgayne | And determine whether or not I thought it was true |
| 01:45.23 | Lothrik | WHY |
| 01:45.28 | Lothrik | would you be inclined |
| 01:45.35 | Lothrik | to consider the proposal |
| 01:45.49 | Djane | Lothrik, because it's human nature to believe in something, for one. |
| 01:45.52 | Lothrik | there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support the spaghetti-earth-core theory |
| 01:45.55 | Lothrik | none |
| 01:45.57 | Djane | Athiesm is abnormal human behaviour. |
| 01:46.00 | Malgayne | No there isn't |
| 01:46.05 | Lothrik | there's actually significant evidence to the contrary |
| 01:46.15 | Malgayne | And upon consideration I would discount the proposal on that basis |
| 01:46.21 | Lothrik | so WHY would you choose to believe something that you, for all intents and purposes |
| 01:46.34 | Lothrik | have significant reason to NOT believe |
| 01:46.41 | Malgayne | I wouldn't |
| 01:46.46 | Lothrik | but you just said you would |
| 01:46.46 | Jamash | Malgayne: and yet you do |
| 01:46.50 | Lothrik | why the change of heart? |
| 01:46.50 | Djane | No. |
| 01:46.55 | Djane | He isn't saying that at all. |
| 01:46.58 | Malgayne | No, I said I would consider it |
| 01:47.00 | Djane | Your assumption is that your beliefs are correct. |
| 01:47.16 | Malgayne | The very fact that millions of people believe it makes it worthy of consideration |
| 01:47.24 | Djane | Historical relevance |
| 01:47.26 | Djane | cultural impact too |
| 01:47.30 | Djane | Sociological reasoning |
| 01:47.30 | Malgayne | Then I would consider it, find evidence to the contrary, and decide I did not believe it |
| 01:47.41 | Malgayne | As I have done for a number of belief systems |
| 01:47.49 | Jamash | Malgayne: aha, the popularity fallacy |
| 01:47.53 | Malgayne | No |
| 01:48.01 | Malgayne | I'm familiar with the fallacy |
| 01:48.06 | Malgayne | Popularity is not evidence |
| 01:48.19 | Djane | He's not saying he believes because it's popular, that it's worthy of consideration because of this. |
| 01:48.22 | Lothrik | If millions of aliens believed that their spaghetti god was the one true god, the only god there is |
| 01:48.25 | Koren | Jamash: Not a fallacy, because he is only taking it into consideration. He's not saying popularity is directly responsible for his conclusion. |
| 01:48.32 | Djane | Lothrik, then discounting it out of hand would be folly. |
| 01:48.36 | Jamash | Can we just agree that Christianity is the same as flying spaghetti monsterism and move on? |
| 01:48.37 | Lothrik | would you believe them, when all their evidence is "this old book"? |
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| 01:48.48 | Malgayne | However, if a large number of people believe it it suggests to me that they have found some evidence, which I would then search for. If I didn't find it I would then discount the belief. |
| 01:49.03 | Lothrik | okay |
| 01:49.09 | Lothrik | how long have you been a christian then |
| 01:49.14 | Malgayne | Since I was 15 |
| 01:49.24 | Malgayne | No wait |
| 01:49.26 | Malgayne | counts |
| 01:49.32 | Malgayne | Yes 15 |
| 01:49.42 | Lothrik | okay, we'll go with "several years" |
| 01:49.43 | Malgayne | I am now 28, if that's relevant |
| 01:49.47 | Lothrik | in those several years |
| 01:49.52 | Lothrik | have you found any evidence |
| 01:49.55 | Lothrik | that god exists |
| 01:50.01 | Lothrik | or that jesus christ was the son of god |
| 01:50.05 | Lothrik | or that god created earth |
| 01:50.08 | Lothrik | or that heaven exists |
| 01:50.14 | Lothrik | or that god created heaven |
| 01:50.14 | Jamash | Malgayne: Look, we know, and you should know that there is no rational basis for belief in jebus lord god the big bearded dude in the sky with three personalities who made rainbows and shit and you should just admit it and move on. |
| 01:50.16 | Lothrik | or that god created man |
| 01:50.23 | Lothrik | actually |
| 01:50.27 | Koren | Lothrik: what bearing do Malgayne's beliefs have on your life? |
| 01:50.28 | Lothrik | how about just ONE of those things |
| 01:50.29 | starspun | Lothrik, he could have found evidence that matters for HIM but not for you |
| 01:50.32 | Malgayne | Jamash: you sound like an evangelist |
| 01:50.36 | Djane | Heh |
| 01:50.42 | Djane | I was going to say "and lo the devout athiest" |
| 01:50.43 | Jamash | Malgayne: nah brah |
| 01:50.44 | Malgayne | Why are you trying to force your beliefs on me? |
| 01:50.46 | Malgayne | :) |
| 01:50.59 | Pilate | because you said if you didnt find it you would discount the belief |
| 01:51.12 | Pilate | if you didnt, and you didnt, youre a hypocrite |
| 01:51.16 | Malgayne | Lothrik/Pilate: That's fair |
| 01:51.17 | Djane | I think by the very nature of Malgayne's logic he has. |
| 01:51.26 | Lothrik | one moment |
| 01:51.34 | Djane | He's stated he would discount a belief if he couldn't find evidence for it. He continues to believe in it. Logic dictates. |
| 01:51.37 | Lothrik | I'm going to answer Malgayne's "why" question |
| 01:51.38 | Jamash | I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone. |
| 01:51.41 | Lothrik | in a moment |
| 01:51.59 | Jamash | I'm trying to make the point that all religious belief is irrational. Even mine. |
| 01:52.10 | Lothrik | Okay, here we go |
| 01:52.14 | Lothrik | "Why can't atheists just leave us alone?" |
| 01:52.15 | Pilate | Djane: logic and religion are not compatible |
| 01:52.20 | Lothrik | 1. |
| 01:52.22 | Lothrik | Because Christianity and by extension Religion have been, and continue to be, responsible for countless horrors throughout humanity history. |
| 01:52.29 | Lothrik | http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html |
| 01:52.36 | Lothrik | 2. |
| 01:52.38 | Lothrik | For all the problems we face as a society, many theists choose not only to do nothing to help, but actually engage in sabotage by actively preventing solutions from being instigated, usually by supporting irrational political positions. |
| 01:52.39 | Malgayne | (Jamash: I agree that all religious belief is at its core irrational) |
| 01:52.44 | Lothrik | 3. |
| 01:52.45 | Lothrik | Because as a functional member of society it benefits everyone if your decision making process is founded on evidence and reason, not superstition. Faith isn't a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance. |
| 01:52.46 | starspun | Lothrik, but has Malgayne? |
| 01:52.49 | Djane | Pilate, list the top 100 world philosophers. The majority were religious. |
| 01:52.52 | Jamash | Malgayne: well then, was that so hard? |
| 01:52.52 | Djane | Empirical evidence disagrees. |
| 01:53.10 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I agree with every one of those statements except "Faith isn't a virtue" |
| 01:53.25 | Lothrik | would you say that voluntary ignorance is a virtue |
| 01:53.27 | Malgayne | Religion is responsible for more horrors than atheism |
| 01:53.44 | Jamash | Djane: Most philosophers are and were idiots. |
| 01:53.45 | Malgayne | Lothrik: No, but I would say that faith != voluntary ignorance |
| 01:53.53 | Lothrik | if someone was ignorant of your religion and instead believed in their own religion that only a very small group of people believed in |
| 01:54.07 | Lothrik | and they said you're all wrong, my god is right, and I won't hear otherwise |
| 01:54.10 | Djane | Jamash, they're only responsible for your government, your way of life, logic itself. The sciences |
| 01:54.12 | Lothrik | is their faith a virtue? |
| 01:54.15 | robokitty | jøsses, you guys still on faith? |
| 01:54.34 | Jamash | You don't win yourself anything by appealing to people who's job it is to lie around and make statements that can't be proven or disproven. |
| 01:54.44 | Malgayne | Lothrik: My response would be that what they call "faith" is actually voluntary ignorance, and therefore not a virtue. |
| 01:54.51 | JunkHead | I got DCed. |
| 01:54.54 | JunkHead | Now I'm in queue. |
| 01:54.56 | Lothrik | Malgayne |
| 01:54.59 | JunkHead | :( |
| 01:55.02 | Lothrik | explain the difference to me |
| 01:55.09 | Lothrik | I really want to understand your definition of faith |
| 01:55.13 | Djane | Lothrik, I have some counter questions for you |
| 01:55.22 | Djane | Can you prove god does not exist? |
| 01:55.24 | Jamash | Djane: A very small minority of said philosophers are responsible for aspects of same. Most of them couldn't tell the difference between their asses and a hole in the ground. |
| 01:55.25 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I love this question |
| 01:55.28 | Malgayne | Hang on |
| 01:55.28 | Djane | (bear with me with those) |
| 01:55.58 | Lothrik | Djane |
| 01:55.59 | Lothrik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot |
| 01:56.04 | Malgayne | Faith is not belief that flies in the face of reason |
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| 01:56.10 | Djane | So that's a no, then? |
| 01:56.18 | Malgayne | faith is belief that flies in the face of emotion. |
| 01:56.22 | Pilate | you dont have to argue the default position |
| 01:56.23 | Malgayne | An example: |
| 01:56.24 | Djane | I'm not going to use that argument remotely. |
| 01:56.34 | Djane | that's not the point of my question and why I asked you to bear with me. |
| 01:56.35 | Lothrik | Djane: read the article then get back to me |
| 01:56.47 | Djane | I'll state my entire line of argument hten |
| 01:56.56 | Malgayne | Lothrik: Let's say that I'm in line for a rollercoaster. |
| 01:57.05 | Jamash | If god exists, may he/she strike me down with lightning right now this instant. |
| 01:57.11 | Jamash | Ok, still here, next question. |
| 01:57.29 | Malgayne | (Jamash: If god exists, I don't see why he'd let you tell him what to do. :P) |
| 01:57.44 | Lothrik | God is the original troll |
| 01:57.45 | Djane | God's existance is unprovable, both for and against. This is a fact. It is not equally illogical to believe in one or the other. There are many logical rational and scientific answers on both sides, with the weight of theory behind he doesn't. |
| 01:57.54 | Jamash | Malgayne: I find the idea of a god who refuses to give evidence for his own existence questionable in the extreme. |
| 01:58.06 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I'm in line for a rollercoaster. I have very good reason to believe that the rollercoaster is safe, as most rollercoasters are. |
| 01:58.10 | Djane | It is not equally illogical, but both sides are less logical than that of rational skeptical agnosticism. |
| 01:58.12 | Lothrik | If God made man, God must of given man logic. God sends man to hell to burn for eternity for using logic. |
| 01:58.12 | Jamash | Especially a god who is supposed to have done so on a daily basis in the past. |
| 01:58.29 | Lothrik | Malgayne: That's a stupid assumption. |
| 01:58.36 | Lothrik | I know someone who died on a rollercoaster. |
| 01:59.00 | Djane | Lothrik, can you prove god exists? No. So why do you believe he doesn't? Because the world suggests he doesn't. Because science suggests he doesn't. But why do you BELIEVE he doesn't beyond the science? |
| 01:59.09 | Lothrik | "Usually safe" does not equate to "I should always feel safe" |
| 01:59.10 | Malgayne | People die in plane crashes too but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't ever fly again |
| 01:59.20 | Lothrik | Djane: I never said anything like that |
| 01:59.22 | Djane | it's a false syllogism to compare god to the likes of the theory of gravity, it is intractably unprovable. |
| 01:59.24 | Lothrik | for all intents and purposes |
| 01:59.30 | Lothrik | I actually do believe he exists |
| 01:59.35 | Malgayne | I'm in hypothetical-explanation land, so let's try and filter out the outliers here :) |
| 01:59.39 | Lothrik | I just don't think he exists for our benefit |
| 02:00.04 | Jamash | Djane: I would argue that while belief in some kind of supernatural thingy may be equivalent to belief in no supernatural thingy on a purely logical basis, actual world religions predict things that are manifestly untrue. |
| 02:00.16 | Malgayne | Let us say that this rollercoaster has just passed inspection, and in addition to being awesome, is also the safest rollercoaster in the world, with no reported injuries. |
| 02:00.23 | Malgayne | Not to say that I can be 100% guaranteed it's safe |
| 02:00.32 | Malgayne | But certainly enough to feel safe riding it |
| 02:00.34 | Djane | Lothrik, my arugment that attempting to argue for or against god in any way is illogical and irrational. That the only reasonable position to hold is that god probably doesn't exist. He definitely has had no perceivable impact on my life and that I should continue to act under the assumption that this will continue to be the case. However this is not the same as God does not exist. |
| 02:00.48 | Djane | Jamash, but belief != religion. |
| 02:01.15 | Lothrik | If god DID exist, he certainly hasn't shown himself to be acting in our best interests. |
| 02:01.23 | Malgayne | So while I am in line, I come to the rational belief that the rollercoaster is safe. So I decide to ride it. |
| 02:01.26 | Jamash | Djane: I can prove that the "theory" proposed by any religion that makes specific claims about the universe is invalid. |
| 02:01.41 | Lothrik | Malgayne: Why does that have to be a BELIEF for you? |
| 02:01.51 | Lothrik | Why can't you accept an assumption for what it is? |
| 02:01.53 | Malgayne | Lothrik: It doesn't matter, call it what you want |
| 02:02.10 | Malgayne | There's no important distinction between a belief, in this context, and an assumption |
| 02:02.12 | Lothrik | You assume something is safe because you trust the people that tell you it's safe |
| 02:02.19 | Lothrik | those people could be WRONG |
| 02:02.24 | Lothrik | but you trust them anyways |
| 02:02.26 | Malgayne | yes they could |
| 02:02.33 | Malgayne | But I trust them enough to ride the rollercoaster |
| 02:02.49 | Malgayne | Once I get ON the rollercoaster, I'm at the top of that first big drop |
| 02:02.50 | Malgayne | looking down |
| 02:02.56 | Malgayne | And suddenly I am terrified |
| 02:03.01 | Jamash | From that, I can safely conclude that while I cannot prove that deity X does not exist, the theory proposed that includes deity X's existence is falsified, and that I do not need to trouble myself with the issue unless either a new theory or new evidence is presented. |
| 02:03.06 | Malgayne | And all I can think of is "i'm going to die i'm going to die" |
| 02:03.19 | Malgayne | Because that's the whole POINT of a rollercoaster |
| 02:03.36 | Malgayne | But despite the fact that I am now terrified |
| 02:03.58 | Malgayne | I have "faith" that riding on the rollercoaster will not kill me |
| 02:04.08 | Jamash | Since christianity makes *specific claims* about the nature of their god and the universe in general, and those claims are demonstrably false, where does that leave it as a theory? |
| 02:04.17 | Lothrik | Statistical probability and the assurance of trained professionals |
| 02:04.18 | Malgayne | Even if I can't remember exactly why I believed that in the first place |
| 02:04.20 | Lothrik | is not the same |
| 02:04.31 | Lothrik | as believing something written in a thousand year old book to be true |
| 02:04.40 | Malgayne | Lothrik: You're correct |
| 02:04.45 | Malgayne | But you wanted a definition of faith |
| 02:04.50 | Lothrik | You have a REASON to believe that the mechanic knows what he's doing |
| 02:04.55 | Malgayne | Not a discussion of how much evidence I need before I have faith in something |
| 02:05.13 | Lothrik | you do NOT have a reason to believe that what was written thousands of years ago is true and relevant in this day and age |
| 02:05.32 | Pilate | you have evidence that people on the rollercoaster before you were alright, you dont have evidence that people who died before you are in a mythical playland |
| 02:05.36 | Lothrik | belief without reason is faith, and looking at it any other way is wilful ignorance |
| 02:06.01 | Jamash | I think a relevant addition to the rollercoaster analogy is the following question: Which of two rollercoasters would you prefer to ride, the one inspected by a safety engineer, or the one blessed by a priest? |
| 02:06.17 | Lothrik | and I'll be damned before I can accept ANYONE engaging in wilful ignorance |
| 02:06.22 | Malgayne | You're confusing the issue. You wanted me to define faith, not to tell you what I have faith in. |
| 02:06.30 | Malgayne | When I sit in a chair, I have faith the chair will hold me up |
| 02:06.36 | Djane | I'm going to bow out of the conversation as there's little point in discussing religion against a strong agenda. |
| 02:06.43 | Malgayne | I have evidence to suggest that my faith is justified |
| 02:06.45 | Lothrik | You did not define faith |
| 02:06.48 | Lothrik | you defined trust |
| 02:06.49 | Jamash | Djane: QQ harder |
| 02:06.58 | Djane | G'night folks. Have fun. |
| 02:07.16 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I defined the term as I use it. If you would prefer I use another word to describe it, I will |
| 02:07.18 | Lothrik | here |
| 02:07.20 | Lothrik | let me explain |
| 02:07.36 | Lothrik | trust: you trust that the mechanic knows what he's doing and you won't die on the rollercoaster |
| 02:07.42 | Malgayne | There are people who define faith as "belief without evidence, or in the face of evidence to the contrary" |
| 02:07.46 | Malgayne | I think those people are idiots |
| 02:07.49 | Lothrik | faith: you trust that god loves you and won't let you die on the rollercoaster |
| 02:07.55 | Lothrik | do you see the difference |
| 02:08.01 | Jamash | I equate "I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore because your mind is made up" with "I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore because I'm out of good reasons" |
| 02:08.09 | Malgayne | Of course I see the difference |
| 02:08.14 | Malgayne | I just disagree with your definition |
| 02:08.34 | Djanezzz | shrugs |
| 02:08.35 | Lothrik | .. how can you disagree with a definition |
| 02:08.39 | Lothrik | provide another definition then |
| 02:08.46 | Malgayne | For your sake, assume that when I use the word "faith" in a religious context, what I mean is "trust" |
| 02:08.48 | Jamash | easily: "I disagree with your definition" |
| 02:08.48 | Malgayne | And we can continue |
| 02:09.05 | Malgayne | Obviously I'm aware that not all religious people use the word "faith" in this way |
| 02:09.09 | Lothrik | okay, moving on then |
| 02:09.10 | Malgayne | I disagree with those people |
| 02:09.20 | Lothrik | we've deduced in the past few minutes that you trust god, right? |
| 02:09.33 | Malgayne | Yes. I trust that there is a God. |
| 02:09.37 | Lothrik | no |
| 02:09.43 | Lothrik | you're avoiding answering my question properly |
| 02:09.44 | Lothrik | again |
| 02:09.49 | Jamash | you can't trust god for anything other than that the universe will continue to exist and follow laws that answer to nobody |
| 02:10.00 | Lothrik | I did not ask you if you trust that there is a god |
| 02:10.05 | Lothrik | I asked you if you TRUST god |
| 02:10.10 | Lothrik | as in the entity itself |
| 02:10.11 | Malgayne | I do |
| 02:10.12 | Jamash | at which point what is god other than a turing machine? |
| 02:10.22 | Lothrik | okay |
| 02:10.23 | Malgayne | I just figured you'd prefer to start with a simpler question |
| 02:10.33 | Lothrik | what do you trust god in or with |
| 02:10.35 | Lothrik | or to do |
| 02:10.37 | Jamash | I don't see the point of worshiping a turing machine. |
| 02:10.50 | Lothrik | if someone you loved was going to die and your only help was god |
| 02:10.55 | Lothrik | what would you trust god with |
| 02:11.16 | Malgayne | This is a weirdly phrased question, and I'm not sure I understand |
| 02:11.16 | Lothrik | would you trust that god would help save your wife from drowning? |
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| 02:11.25 | Jefus | i just tried to scroll up and see what started this conversation, but my eyes began to ache long before i found the source. followed by my brain. |
| 02:11.27 | Jamash | I'd trust god to sit around on its fat divine ass and not lift a finger to help anyone. |
| 02:11.39 | Lothrik | you're crushed under a tree and your wife is drowning in a lake with nobody around for miles |
| 02:11.48 | Lothrik | you begin praying for god to save your wife |
| 02:11.54 | Lothrik | do you trust that he would help? |
| 02:12.02 | Lothrik | or would you reach for your cellphone |
| 02:12.04 | Lothrik | to call 911? |
| 02:12.16 | Malgayne | Of course I would reach for my cellphone |
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| 02:12.20 | Malgayne | That doesn't mean I wouldn't also pray |
| 02:12.23 | Jamash | "LISTEN BUDDY, I SENT THREE BOATS!" |
| 02:12.28 | Lothrik | you can only do one, Maygayne |
| 02:12.30 | Lothrik | she's drowning |
| 02:12.41 | Lothrik | the police might take too long to get there |
| 02:12.45 | Lothrik | which do you trust more |
| 02:12.53 | Lothrik | god could be there instantly.. |
| 02:12.55 | Lothrik | but only if he's real |
| 02:13.33 | Lothrik | that's the definition of omnipotence, which you can't really argue against, since "God created heaven and earth" which are widely regarded as "fairly difficult" |
| 02:14.17 | Malgayne | I think you're proposing a choice that doesn't exist, in order to make me sound foolish or negligent. I would call 911, because I believe that God expects us to do everything in our power to help one another. |
| 02:14.31 | Lothrik | okay |
| 02:14.35 | Lothrik | and how is that any different |
| 02:14.41 | Lothrik | than a world where god does not exist at all |
| 02:14.58 | Lothrik | if god expects us to do everything ourselves and never ask for help |
| 02:15.03 | Lothrik | even in life or death situations |
| 02:15.27 | Lothrik | oh |
| 02:15.31 | Lothrik | and I'd like to make an addition |
| 02:15.35 | Malgayne | I don't believe god expects us to do everything ourselves and never ask for help, and the only reason why you're claiming I do is because you asked for my choice in a situation that doesn't make sense. :P |
| 02:15.41 | Lothrik | your wife is pregnant with your first child |
| 02:15.46 | Lothrik | in that same situation |
| 02:15.48 | Jamash | Lothrik: Have you stopped beating your wife? |
| 02:16.02 | Lothrik | Jamash: I'm 19 and live alone in an apartment. |
| 02:16.11 | Jamash | Lothrik: You're avoiding the question. |
| 02:16.13 | Jamash | Yes or no? |
| 02:16.31 | Lothrik | Don't have a wife, so I suppose no, I haven't stopped beating my non-existent wife. |
| 02:16.37 | Malgayne | See? Even Jamash knows that was silly, and he agrees with you. :P |
| 02:16.52 | Jamash | Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we can see now that Lothrik is an unrepentant wife-beater. |
| 02:17.19 | Jefus | ;\ |
| 02:17.28 | Jefus | Lothrik's wife told me she likes it when I hit her ;\ |
| 02:17.31 | Malgayne | I don't believe miracles happen much anymore. I have some thoughts on why that might be, but I acknowledge that those are only my own musings and I may be wrong |
| 02:17.44 | Malgayne | So I don't wish to introduce them to this conversation |
| 02:17.51 | Lothrik | Jefus: You can beat my imaginary wife all day long. Doesn't matter to me. She isn't real. |
| 02:18.12 | Jefus | good, good |
| 02:18.19 | Jamash | I think god and the devil reconciled their differences and left to try again |
| 02:18.46 | Jamash | it's the only theory consistent with the evidence |
| 02:19.20 | Malgayne | Lothrik: You're saying that if I don't trust God to take visible action in the world, then in what sense can I say I trust God at all |
| 02:19.35 | Lothrik | Yes, I am |
| 02:19.48 | JunkHead | http://www.cinemassacre.com/2010/12/08/avgn-episode-97-christmas-special-2010/ <- oh.my.god. |
| 02:19.57 | Lothrik | Pretend that god is real for a moment |
| 02:19.59 | Lothrik | no wait |
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| 02:20.09 | Malgayne | My response is: I believe it's my responsibility to do everything I can do, but I also know that in a lot of cases, everything one person can do is completely meaningless |
| 02:20.25 | Lothrik | Instead of god |
| 02:20.26 | Malgayne | I trust God to make the things that I can do worth a damn |
| 02:20.35 | Lothrik | let's say we're talking about your friend Bob |
| 02:20.41 | Jamash | Bob Zeus |
| 02:20.46 | Lothrik | you have the choice between a cellphone that may or may not have reception |
| 02:20.51 | Malgayne | But this is pretty complicated philosophy, and based on some assumptions you don't share so I wouldn't expect you to agree |
| 02:20.51 | Lothrik | you're pretty far out in the woods |
| 02:21.04 | Lothrik | your friend Bob tends to get drunk around this time of night |
| 02:21.05 | Gary|tp | hello I have a question on why a page on wowhead is broken but I think I may have accidentally stumbled into #religiousdebates instead |
| 02:21.10 | Gary|tp | can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 02:21.13 | Malgayne | lol |
| 02:21.14 | Malgayne | which page? |
| 02:21.20 | Jamash | Gary|tp: pray to god to fix the page |
| 02:21.20 | Lothrik | but he's only a mile away and you have two way walkie talkies |
| 02:21.24 | Malgayne | (Lothrik: Go on) |
| 02:21.37 | Lothrik | Bob has been your friend since you were 15 |
| 02:21.49 | Gary|tp | Malgayne, this one http://www.wowhead.com/irc |
| 02:21.52 | Lothrik | do you reach for the walkie talkie and call possibly drunk bob |
| 02:21.59 | Gary|tp | it says this is the wowhead channel but that can't be correct |
| 02:22.00 | Lothrik | or the cellphone which may or may not have reception |
| 02:22.40 | Malgayne | Lothrik: Can we possibly try a hypothetical that's less silly? |
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| 02:22.55 | Jamash | Okay,m Let's say you have a goat, and a bicycle. |
| 02:23.03 | Malgayne | This is so far divorced from the debate I'm having trouble following it. :P |
| 02:23.11 | Jamash | The goat eats cabbage, but the bicycle has a flat tire. |
| 02:23.14 | Malgayne | Gary: I thought you were serious. :P |
| 02:23.26 | Gary|tp | I thought you knew me better, mal |
| 02:23.47 | Jamash | The question then is, how many beans make five? |
| 02:23.58 | starspun | Neither. |
| 02:23.58 | Lothrik | I wasn't aware you saw a life or death situation as silly, but sure, name your scenario |
| 02:24.13 | Malgayne | I don't understand your point |
| 02:24.19 | Malgayne | And I can't make this decision |
| 02:24.24 | Jamash | starspun: Wrong! |
| 02:24.31 | Malgayne | There are two possibly broken methods of communication |
| 02:24.44 | Malgayne | The only way to decide would be to make a judgement about which method is more likely to be broken |
| 02:24.44 | Lothrik | nope |
| 02:24.57 | Lothrik | the walkie talkie has a 100% success rate |
| 02:25.03 | Lothrik | Bob just happens to be unreliable |
| 02:25.03 | Malgayne | And you haven't provided enough information to make that decision |
| 02:25.13 | Lothrik | cellphone has a 50/50 chance |
| 02:25.28 | Malgayne | What's Bob's chance of being able to help? |
| 02:25.38 | Jamash | The correct answer is one bean, a bean and a half, two beans, and half a bean. |
| 02:25.51 | Lothrik | only you can answer that, he's your friend after all! |
| 02:25.58 | Malgayne | lol |
| 02:26.18 | Malgayne | No he isn't. This is a hypothetical situation, and you have invented him, and given him the only characteristic I know of which is a penchant for drunkenness |
| 02:26.32 | Malgayne | Which is why I think this hypothetical is silly |
| 02:26.49 | Jamash | Also, you only have one battery, and enough charge on the battery to use one device, and also the bus is rigged to explode if it goes below fifty bad analogies per hour. |
| 02:27.24 | Lothrik | You're forgetting the connection I was making between Bob and god |
| 02:27.36 | Lothrik | Bob is the physical representation of god in this scenario |
| 02:27.39 | Malgayne | I'm not forgetting it |
| 02:27.48 | Lothrik | that's why I'm saying only you can answer that |
| 02:27.51 | Malgayne | But whether or not Bob is God is releveant to the scenario. :P |
| 02:27.53 | Jamash | So God is an alcoholic? That ties us neatly in with the start of the conversation, which was alcoholics anonymous. |
| 02:27.59 | Lothrik | hahaha |
| 02:28.05 | Malgayne | lol |
| 02:28.14 | Malgayne | If I think Bob has a greater than 50% chance of being able to help I call him. That's the best answer I can give you. |
| 02:28.29 | Jamash | but if god is an alcoholic, what higher power does he give himself up to? |
| 02:28.35 | Malgayne | but that's because Bob is a person, and (in my experience) people work a certain way |
| 02:28.42 | Lothrik | Fuck, I don't even know where I was going with this anymore |
| 02:28.44 | Malgayne | God is not a person, and thus works differently |
| 02:28.47 | Lothrik | you trust god, but you don't |
| 02:28.50 | Lothrik | but you do |
| 02:28.51 | Lothrik | but you don't |
| 02:29.03 | Lothrik | it's painfully circular logic |
| 02:29.05 | Malgayne | I know, that's why I was trying to put the brakes on it before. :P |
| 02:29.17 | Jamash | You trust god in a way that conveniently does not involve any actual expectation of action on god's part. |
| 02:29.22 | Lothrik | exactly |
| 02:29.31 | Malgayne | I trust God to behave a certain way |
| 02:29.38 | Lothrik | and what way is that |
| 02:29.53 | Malgayne | I don't think that God is flashy or overdramatic |
| 02:29.54 | Lothrik | what behaviour, at all, do you expect from god |
| 02:30.03 | Jamash | Are we talking about the same god? |
| 02:30.08 | Lothrik | don't you believe that god flooded earth at one time? |
| 02:30.10 | Malgayne | I should say |
| 02:30.17 | Lothrik | and did some crazy shit in egypt? |
| 02:30.21 | Gary|tp | I personally view God more as an object than an actuality. |
| 02:30.27 | Lothrik | seems pretty flashy to me |
| 02:30.32 | Jamash | Gary|tp: Like a pet rock? |
| 02:30.33 | Malgayne | I don't believe that God treats people in a flashy or overdramatic way these days |
| 02:30.49 | Lothrik | okay |
| 02:30.49 | Malgayne | Though I acknowledge that it seems likely that he did at one time |
| 02:31.00 | Lothrik | so you trust god to behave a certain way |
| 02:31.06 | Jamash | actually, the analogy between god and a pet rock is pretty exact |
| 02:31.07 | Lothrik | you trust him to .. no longer be flashy |
| 02:31.11 | Gary|tp | Jamash, kind of. He's always there for you if you need Him, but you need to take care of His wants and dislikes. if you just use Him then I think you go to hell. |
| 02:31.12 | Lothrik | except he used to be flashy |
| 02:31.24 | Jamash | except pet rocks are cheaper |
| 02:31.25 | Lothrik | also, he expects you to deal with all of your own problems |
| 02:31.28 | Lothrik | you know what |
| 02:31.37 | Lothrik | he sounds like a retired cheerleader for a football team |
| 02:31.39 | Lothrik | YEAH TEAM GO |
| 02:31.42 | Jamash | and pet rocks don't send you to hell |
| 02:32.01 | Jamash | on an objective basis, pet rock > god |
| 02:32.08 | Gary|tp | Jamash, but a pet rock is also an actuality, and I just said that god isn't. |
| 02:32.14 | Jamash | even better |
| 02:32.24 | Jamash | I prefer things that exist to things that don't |
| 02:32.25 | Malgayne | Lothrik: You're asking me questions about something that you believe doesn't exist, and then telling me that my answers sound silly |
| 02:32.25 | Gary|tp | so you are going to disrespect Him? |
| 02:32.32 | Malgayne | Well, of course they do if you don't believe in God |
| 02:32.40 | Lothrik | huh? |
| 02:32.44 | Lothrik | weren't you listening earlier? |
| 02:32.49 | Malgayne | It's hard to have a conversation about the nature of something or someone if you can't agree that it exists int the first place |
| 02:32.50 | Lothrik | I said I do believe he exists |
| 02:32.56 | Gary|tp | Jamash, all He wants to do is love you, you could at least do the same thing for Him. If you had a pet rock, would you love it? |
| 02:33.01 | Jamash | Gary|tp: I don't see any reason to disrespect my pet rock. |
| 02:33.03 | Lothrik | I just said I don't believe he exists for our benefit |
| 02:33.06 | Malgayne | Oh pardon meâI thought you were being facetious |
| 02:33.14 | Gary|tp | Jamash, then why would you disrespect Him? |
| 02:33.21 | Jamash | Gary|tp: who? |
| 02:33.24 | Gary|tp | God |
| 02:33.24 | Malgayne | Lothrik: What do you believe about god? |
| 02:33.30 | Jamash | Gary|tp: who? |
| 02:33.55 | Gary|tp | Jamash, God |
| 02:33.58 | Jamash | Gary|tp: You said you don't believe god is an actuality |
| 02:34.06 | Jamash | so, nothing to disrespect |
| 02:34.09 | Gary|tp | but why would you disrespect Him, Jamash ? |
| 02:34.23 | Jamash | Gary|tp: Why would I disrespect something that doesn't exist? |
| 02:34.38 | Jamash | I don't think that's a coherent question. |
| 02:34.39 | Gary|tp | Jamash, so you love your pet rock more than you love God? |
| 02:34.45 | Gary|tp | I'm sure that He loves you more than your pet rock does |
| 02:34.52 | Gary|tp | I'm sure that your pet rock isn't even an actuality |
| 02:34.54 | Gary|tp | but He is |
| 02:35.00 | Jamash | Gary|tp: You can't compare a number to NaN |
| 02:35.10 | Gary|tp | I never mentioned numbers.' |
| 02:35.17 | Gary|tp | We're speaking of God and Pet Rocks |
| 02:35.24 | Jamash | quantity of love (pet rock) > quantity of love (god) |
| 02:35.30 | Jamash | number > NaN |
| 02:35.34 | Lothrik | God is an assumption one makes to explain the unexplainable |
| 02:35.45 | Lothrik | rather an uncomfortable concept |
| 02:35.54 | Gary|tp | Jamash, so you are saying you love your pet rock more than you love Him? |
| 02:36.11 | Lothrik | I'm painfully aware that there are certain things we will never understand |
| 02:36.13 | Jamash | Gary|tp: I'm saying you can't compare something that exists and something that doesn't. |
| 02:36.19 | Lothrik | I'm not saying that they CAN'T be understood |
| 02:36.24 | Gary|tp | Jamash, so, basically, you don't love Him |
| 02:36.26 | Lothrik | just that WE will never understand them |
| 02:36.27 | Gary|tp | Why not? |
| 02:36.42 | Jamash | Gary|tp: You're putting words in my mouth. Have you stoped beating your wife? |
| 02:36.43 | Gary|tp | why can you love an inanimate and non existent object like a pet rock, but you cannot love Him? |
| 02:36.56 | Lothrik | what are you talking about gary |
| 02:37.02 | Lothrik | my pet rock is very real |
| 02:37.10 | Jamash | yeah I don't know what he's on about either |
| 02:37.16 | Jamash | my pet skipping stone is awesome |
| 02:37.16 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Wowhead Comic #23 - http://www.wowhead.com/blog=176277/wowhead-comic-23 |
| 02:37.18 | Malgayne | Lothrik: Do you believe that God has a mind? |
| 02:37.18 | Lothrik | he's on my desk right now and quite offended by your doubts as to his existance |
| 02:37.20 | Gary|tp | Lothrik, if your pet rock is real, then why can't God be real? |
| 02:37.30 | Gary|tp | why can't you love God as much as you love your pet rock? |
| 02:37.40 | Gary|tp | Why do you idol a false god, your rock? |
| 02:37.49 | Lothrik | God, the concept that there is a being much much MUCH more powerful than humans |
| 02:37.54 | Lothrik | most likely does exist |
| 02:38.18 | Gary|tp | It isn't a concept, He exists. He has a name, and it is God, our Lord, and our Savior. |
| 02:38.23 | Gary|tp | Why don't you love him? |
| 02:38.28 | Lothrik | I do not believe he exists in any classically conceived form though |
| 02:38.53 | Lothrik | for all I know he could be like Cthulhu (H.P. Lovecraft) |
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| 02:39.06 | Gary|tp | no, cthulhu does not exist. God does. |
| 02:39.08 | Jamash | Gary|tp: for that matter, has god stopped beating his wife? |
| 02:39.11 | Malgayne | Lothrik: So you believe in a God that's unknowable? |
| 02:39.16 | Gary|tp | Now, you still have not answered me why you cannot love Him |
| 02:39.17 | Lothrik | yes |
| 02:39.19 | Mowsey | doot doot doot doot |
| 02:39.25 | Lothrik | unknowable to humans, at the very least |
| 02:39.29 | Mowsey | throws a bucket of dicks into the channel |
| 02:39.35 | Malgayne | Why do you believe he's unknowable? |
| 02:39.47 | Lothrik | simple |
| 02:39.52 | Jamash | Gary|tp: I can't love a god who still beats his wife, so I need you to answer the question |
| 02:39.56 | Lothrik | size of the universe coupled with entropy |
| 02:39.59 | Arkaen | There's no porn of him, Malgayne |
| 02:40.12 | Gary|tp | Jamash, God does not have a wife, and if He did, He would not be capable of beating Her as He cannot sin. |
| 02:40.25 | Gary|tp | Jamash, now why can't you love Him? |
| 02:40.36 | Lothrik | Gary |
| 02:40.45 | Lothrik | do you mean he cannot sin as in he is unable to |
| 02:40.56 | Lothrik | or incapable of, ie: if he does it, it is no longer sin |
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| 02:41.06 | Gary|tp | He is able to sin, He is capable of doing anything. but He is too pure to sin. |
| 02:41.23 | Lothrik | ahh |
| 02:41.31 | Lothrik | I remember this one |
| 02:41.38 | Gary|tp | Do you love Him, Lothrik ? |
| 02:41.41 | Lothrik | God can make a rock that no being, not even himself can lift |
| 02:41.45 | Lothrik | then, he can lift it |
| 02:41.47 | Lothrik | love that one |
| 02:41.54 | Jamash | Gary|tp: Is god a registered sex offender? |
| 02:41.56 | Malgayne | Lothrik: That's a silly argument. :P |
| 02:42.07 | Lothrik | silly but true |
| 02:42.13 | Lothrik | that's how most religious arguments go |
| 02:42.39 | Malgayne | It's not a statement that can be described as "true" |
| 02:42.39 | Mowsey | no, it goes "He works in mysterious ways" in retaliation to...anything |
| 02:42.39 | Mowsey | o: |
| 02:42.39 | Gary|tp | Lothrik, if His power level is infinite, and He is capable of creating an infinitly large rock, then He could lift it. |
| 02:42.39 | Malgayne | That's like asking "Can god make a square circle" |
| 02:42.46 | Mowsey | why am I getting involved |
| 02:42.48 | Mowsey | runs away |
| 02:42.54 | Jamash | What does the scouter say about his power level? |
| 02:43.02 | Lothrik | laughs |
| 02:43.03 | Gary|tp | His infinite strength matches the size of His infinite cock. |
| 02:43.04 | Gary|tp | I mean |
| 02:43.05 | Gary|tp | rock. |
| 02:43.07 | Gary|tp | yeah, rock. |
| 02:43.08 | Malgayne | lol |
| 02:43.15 | Lothrik | God can do anything |
| 02:43.21 | Mowsey | no, cock |
| 02:43.29 | Lothrik | even if that means altering the laws of physics simply so he is able to |
| 02:43.31 | Jamash | INFINITE COCK |
| 02:43.46 | Lothrik | amusing concept |
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| 02:43.52 | Malgayne | God is omnipotent, which is not quite the same |
| 02:43.53 | Lothrik | too bad he doesn't like saving drowning wives |
| 02:43.58 | Gary|tp | Lothrik, He created physics, so He is capable of altering them. |
| 02:44.01 | Lothrik | no, it's exactly the same |
| 02:44.04 | Jamash | Gary|tp: I'm not interested in loving god's infinite cock. |
| 02:44.05 | Lothrik | omnipotent |
| 02:44.07 | Lothrik | all powerful |
| 02:44.10 | Lothrik | omnipresent |
| 02:44.12 | Malgayne | There are some things God can do precisely BECAUSE he is omnipotent |
| 02:44.13 | Lothrik | everywhere at once |
| 02:44.13 | Gary|tp | Lothrik, you must understand that the laws of physics are not laws, but rather our understanding of the universe. |
| 02:44.15 | Lothrik | omniscient |
| 02:44.16 | Malgayne | Like say, "make a mistake" |
| 02:44.17 | Lothrik | all knowing |
| 02:44.31 | Malgayne | er |
| 02:44.34 | Malgayne | I meant to say "can't do" |
| 02:44.35 | Gary|tp | Lothrik, there is no law in physics that cannot be 100% certain without observing it outside of the universe, which will likely never be psosible. |
| 02:44.50 | Gary|tp | er, *there is no law that can be 100% certain |
| 02:44.50 | Lothrik | Gary: altering gravitational constants for an entire universe is, as far as I'm concerned, "altering the laws of physics" |
| 02:44.55 | Jamash | you can't have an entity that is omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent |
| 02:44.56 | Lothrik | which in this case |
| 02:45.01 | Lothrik | would be exactly what would need to be done |
| 02:45.04 | Gary|tp | Lothrik, you aren't understanding. |
| 02:45.06 | Lothrik | to lift the unliftable rock |
| 02:45.10 | Jamash | god is purported to be these things |
| 02:45.12 | Gary|tp | Laws are not laws, they are our understanding of the universe. |
| 02:45.16 | Jamash | therefore, god does not exist |
| 02:45.18 | Jamash | QED |
| 02:45.19 | Gary|tp | We CANNOT know that a law is true -- EVER. |
| 02:45.21 | Noxy | noms on Malgayne |
| 02:45.26 | Lothrik | Jamash: I like that one |
| 02:45.28 | Malgayne | Jamash omniscient and omnipotent are both fine |
| 02:45.34 | Malgayne | it's omnibenevolent that's hanging you up |
| 02:45.36 | Noxy | I dont know what I did to deserve this man, Casey. |
| 02:45.49 | Jamash | Malgayne: so you're saying god isn't all good? |
| 02:45.54 | Lothrik | the idea of god being omniscient |
| 02:45.57 | Lothrik | is just disturbing |
| 02:46.05 | Lothrik | god knows of all the child porn |
| 02:46.19 | Gary|tp | How is that disturbing? |
| 02:46.20 | Jamash | god is looking at your mom naked |
| 02:46.21 | Malgayne | No, I'm saying that your definition of what is "good" is too limited in scope |
| 02:46.23 | Jamash | all the time |
| 02:46.31 | Lothrik | no Jamash |
| 02:46.33 | Lothrik | not looking |
| 02:46.34 | Lothrik | fucking |
| 02:46.37 | Lothrik | omnipresent |
| 02:46.40 | Jamash | with his infinite cock? |
| 02:46.43 | Lothrik | yes |
| 02:46.50 | Jamash | damn |
| 02:46.56 | Gary|tp | and you still have not answered my response that we are not 100% certain of the laws of physics, Lothrik |
| 02:46.58 | Gary|tp | I'm waiting. |
| 02:47.02 | Jamash | I guess he should be a registered sex offender, then. |
| 02:47.11 | Lothrik | Gary: laws of physics are not certain derp |
| 02:47.38 | Jamash | laws of physics are passed by a majority of both houses of god, and signed by the supreme executive |
| 02:47.43 | Gary|tp | Lothrik, so how can you be certain that there is not a super secret password to the laws of gravity that God could invoke to create an infinitely large rock? |
| 02:48.06 | Lothrik | I don't know |
| 02:48.08 | Jamash | unless the supreme executive vetos them, in which case a two-thirds majority of both houses of gods can override the veto and pass the law of physics |
| 02:48.09 | Lothrik | maybe there is one |
| 02:48.10 | Gary|tp | There is no way to 100% verify a law of a universe whilst within it. |
| 02:48.17 | Gary|tp | We can only take guesses. |
| 02:48.25 | Lothrik | another interesting concept |
| 02:48.36 | Malgayne | The idea that God cannot be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent comes from the axiom that human suffering is the worst possible evil, which is an axiom I do not believe to be true |
| 02:48.38 | Mowsey | bursts into dicks |
| 02:48.39 | Lothrik | the universe is, for the purposes of our feeble minds |
| 02:48.40 | Lothrik | everything |
| 02:48.50 | Lothrik | so, if the universe is finite |
| 02:48.50 | Jamash | Malgayne: no it doesn't |
| 02:48.55 | Lothrik | what is outside of it? |
| 02:49.00 | Lothrik | and if the universe is infinite |
| 02:49.04 | Lothrik | HOW is anything outside of it? |
| 02:49.12 | Malgayne | It's an axiom that makes sense if you do not believe in God, but which falls apart if you do, I think |
| 02:49.15 | Mowsey | that one always hurts my head :/ |
| 02:49.17 | Jamash | Malgayne: if any evil exists, any at all, god cannot be A B and C |
| 02:49.26 | Gary|tp | Lothrik, when you get into things such as multiverse and string theory, our universe is not everything. |
| 02:49.28 | Jamash | by the bible, evil exists |
| 02:49.36 | Lothrik | Gary: okay |
| 02:49.38 | Jamash | contradiction proven, end of story |
| 02:49.39 | Gary|tp | and we understand what could be above our universe. |
| 02:49.40 | Lothrik | outside of the multiverse then |
| 02:49.51 | Lothrik | these universes can't just be jammed up right next to eachother |
| 02:49.51 | Malgayne | Jamash: That depends on what defines "evil" |
| 02:49.57 | Lothrik | gotta be some space between them, right |
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| 02:50.02 | Jamash | Malgayne: surely god does |
| 02:50.05 | Lothrik | wait.. space |
| 02:50.10 | Malgayne | Evil is not the opposite of good |
| 02:50.21 | Lothrik | .. lol |
| 02:50.23 | Malgayne | Evil is a failure to meet the definition of good |
| 02:50.31 | Jamash | Malgayne: are you listening to either yourself or me? |
| 02:50.45 | Lothrik | Malgayne: Good is a failure to meet the definition of evil |
| 02:50.46 | Gary|tp | You cannot be hinting to the fact that universes surround our current universe, and that if we built a super duper rocket ship, we could travel to them. |
| 02:50.48 | Lothrik | works both ways |
| 02:50.52 | Lothrik | hence, opposites |
| 02:50.56 | Lothrik | hence, what you just said is bullshit |
| 02:50.57 | Malgayne | Lothrik: No, I don't believe it does |
| 02:51.02 | Gary|tp | in multiverse theory, the othe runiverses are inaccessable to us. |
| 02:51.05 | Malgayne | Good vs. evil is not a spectrum |
| 02:51.08 | Lothrik | you can't believe a definition to be false |
| 02:51.15 | Malgayne | It's a radius |
| 02:51.16 | Lothrik | that's not how the english language works |
| 02:51.24 | Jamash | Malgayne: a what |
| 02:51.31 | Gary|tp | You can believe anything to be false, Lothrik |
| 02:51.37 | Lothrik | a radius is half the diameter of a circle and has no bearing whatsoever to this conversation |
| 02:51.41 | Gary|tp | Reality is merely what our 5 senses tell us |
| 02:51.42 | Malgayne | I'm using the language as best as I can to describe reality, but these are complicated concepts we're dealing with here |
| 02:51.58 | Gary|tp | Do enough drugs and you'll realize this |
| 02:52.04 | Mowsey | lol |
| 02:52.06 | Jamash | Well, Gary|tp is trolling and Malgayne has stopped making sense. |
| 02:52.14 | Gary|tp | Jamash, I actually stopped trolling a while ago |
| 02:52.15 | Arkaen | This has such a sad ending |
| 02:52.17 | Jamash | So Mowsey, how has your day been. |
| 02:52.21 | Gary|tp | when we started getting into physics |
| 02:52.23 | Mowsey | megadicks |
| 02:52.35 | Malgayne | Jamash: Imagine a point in space. Like a single point of light. |
| 02:52.40 | Mowsey | let's make out |
| 02:52.42 | Malgayne | Let us call this point of light "good" |
| 02:52.45 | Jamash | awesome |
| 02:52.57 | Jamash | we can have a threesome with god's infinite cock |
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| 02:53.10 | Malgayne | An object can exist anywhere in space in relation to this point |
| 02:53.16 | Arkaen | Jamash: Infinicock |
| 02:53.23 | Malgayne | An object that is closer to the point is "more good" |
| 02:53.29 | Jamash | god can have sex with another man without being gay |
| 02:53.31 | Malgayne | An object that is further away from the point is "more evil" |
| 02:53.34 | Lothrik | Malgayne, your entire argument is based on the concept that people, things, beings |
| 02:53.36 | Jamash | such is the power of god |
| 02:53.43 | Lothrik | start predispositioned to be EITHER good OR evil |
| 02:53.50 | Lothrik | who says that they do? |
| 02:54.04 | Lothrik | A newborn baby isn't evil. Does that mean that they're good? |
| 02:54.13 | Lothrik | They haven't done anything to prove that either. |
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| 02:54.15 | Malgayne | Not at all, I don't see how it matters where people are predisposed to sit in this space |
| 02:54.15 | Lothrik | Hence, neutral. |
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| 02:54.32 | Malgayne | What I'm saying is only that we're not dealing with a spectrum, with good on one end and evil on the other |
| 02:54.34 | Gary|tp | Good and evil do not exist, they are merely concepts we have created to help society progress. |
| 02:54.38 | Malgayne | They're not equals, they don't cancel each other out |
| 02:54.48 | Jamash | Malgayne: If something exists that doesn't sit on your white ball of healing light, god is not A B and C |
| 02:55.07 | Lothrik | Malgayne: So what you're saying is |
| 02:55.17 | Lothrik | god is a little bit evil, since all his good doesn't cancel out the evil |
| 02:55.28 | Lothrik | and satan is a little bit good, since all his evil doesn't cancel out the good |
| 02:55.33 | Malgayne | Lothrik: You're assuming a spectrum again |
| 02:55.40 | Malgayne | Christian teaching doesn't teach that God and Satan are opposites |
| 02:55.55 | Malgayne | It teaches that Satan is the being that failed most spectacularly at being good |
| 02:56.06 | Malgayne | The creature who sits furthest from the point |
| 02:56.13 | Jamash | Malgayne: could you draw a diagram, and put good, evil, god, satan, trans-fatty acids and pokemon on it? |
| 02:56.15 | Lothrik | okay |
| 02:56.17 | Mowsey | injects some more dicks into the channel, if at all possible |
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| 02:56.20 | Lothrik | very simple question |
| 02:56.28 | Jamash | I can't follow visual arguments without a diagram. |
| 02:56.30 | Arkaen | Jamash: Trans-fat is beyond stan |
| 02:56.32 | Arkaen | satan too |
| 02:56.36 | Arkaen | but mostly stan darsh |
| 02:56.39 | Lothrik | would you say that God "manages" Heaven |
| 02:56.47 | Lothrik | in the same sense that Satan "manages" Hell |
| 02:56.57 | Mowsey | god is the district manager |
| 02:57.14 | Jamash | satan is the cook who spits on your food |
| 02:57.16 | Malgayne | I'm not really clear on what sense that is |
| 02:57.30 | Jamash | and then posts about it on facebook |
| 02:57.32 | Lothrik | If you were to go to hell and you wanted to speak to the man in charge |
| 02:57.37 | Lothrik | you'd talk with Satan right |
| 02:57.46 | Arkaen | No |
| 02:57.55 | Mowsey | Who is the assistant manager of heaven and heaven accessories? |
| 02:58.01 | Jamash | Yeah, but you'd need an appointment. |
| 02:58.01 | Lothrik | or vice-versa |
| 02:58.04 | Lothrik | heaven, god |
| 02:58.20 | Malgayne | I don't think that's really how hell works, but I think it applies to heaven |
| 02:58.25 | Arkaen | Aye |
| 02:58.26 | Jamash | And if you have to ask for an appointment, you're not going to get one. |
| 02:58.28 | Lothrik | alright |
| 02:58.38 | Lothrik | would you say that hell is a form of punishment for ones actions |
| 02:58.52 | Lothrik | the ultimate form, that is |
| 02:59.05 | Jamash | hell is where you go when you get defeated by goku, except in the english dub |
| 02:59.05 | Malgayne | Yes, but I don't believe that is by design |
| 02:59.13 | Lothrik | okay |
| 02:59.23 | Lothrik | and heaven is a form of reward for ones actions |
| 02:59.27 | Lothrik | the ultimate form, that is |
| 02:59.37 | Malgayne | I don't believe that's by design either, but I believe it's true |
| 02:59.40 | Arkaen | Jamash: Then it's HFEL or whatever those random letters were |
| 02:59.42 | Jamash | where they painted over the word HELL to form HFIL |
| 02:59.42 | Lothrik | reward |
| 02:59.43 | Mowsey | dooooot |
| 02:59.43 | Lothrik | and |
| 02:59.45 | Lothrik | punish |
| 02:59.45 | Lothrik | are |
| 02:59.47 | Lothrik | OPPOSITES |
| 02:59.47 | Arkaen | HFIL, my bad |
| 02:59.50 | Jamash | "home for infinite losers" |
| 02:59.57 | Lothrik | QED God and Satan are opposites |
| 03:00.00 | Lothrik | hence, spectrum |
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| 03:00.08 | Jamash | wait, are bill gates and steve jobs opposites? |
| 03:00.08 | Malgayne | Those two statements don't logically follow from one another |
| 03:00.22 | Arkaen | Jamash: Yes |
| 03:00.36 | Jamash | Arkaen: Are you sure? They seem pretty similar these days. |
| 03:00.53 | Lothrik | Jamash: Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are opposites like two hobos on opposite street corners. |
| 03:01.09 | Lothrik | http://www.synonym.org/antonym/punish |
| 03:01.18 | Malgayne | Heaven is rewarding and hell is punishing, but that doesn't mean that heaven exists for the purpose of rewarding people or that hell exists for the purpose of punishing people |
| 03:01.27 | Jamash | I mean, Microsoft is trying to turn computers into locked-down platforms where the user has no control over their own hardware and Apple is... wait... |
| 03:01.33 | Lothrik | http://www.synonym.org/antonym/evil |
| 03:01.44 | Lothrik | then what the fuck do they exist for |
| 03:02.21 | Lothrik | dildos are pleasurable to women and men but they don't exist for that purpose they exist to make some company money |
| 03:02.24 | Jamash | according to some christians, the greatest pleasure available in heaven is to look down and see all the sinners suffering eternal torment in hell |
| 03:02.28 | Lothrik | is there some company behind heaven and hell |
| 03:02.38 | Malgayne | Jamash: Those people are assholes :P |
| 03:02.39 | Lothrik | making money off of your rewards and punishment? |
| 03:02.48 | Mowsey | sounds like lots of dicks |
| 03:03.00 | Mowsey | in every sense! |
| 03:03.04 | Mowsey | shrugs |
| 03:03.08 | Mowsey | doot |
| 03:03.09 | Malgayne | Lothrik: You're just ranting here. Take a breath. :P |
| 03:03.14 | Jamash | Mowsey: Infinite cocks! |
| 03:03.38 | Malgayne | I'm happy to explain to you my precise beliefs on heaven and hell |
| 03:03.49 | Malgayne | If that is what you want |
| 03:03.57 | Master_Vash | omg |
| 03:04.02 | Pilate | why would satan punish you for being bad? if thats his whole schtick, shouldnt you be rewarded the worse youa re? |
| 03:04.05 | Master_Vash | fuck queues |
| 03:04.10 | Lothrik | Malgayne: Every question I ask you, you state that something is false or not true or I'm not getting the whole picture |
| 03:04.15 | Lothrik | but you never go into detail |
| 03:04.21 | Lothrik | you never say what those details are |
| 03:04.26 | Lothrik | you just say that they're there |
| 03:04.33 | Jamash | god is raping you in every possible orifice at every possible instant with his infinite cocks |
| 03:04.49 | Mowsey | hot |
| 03:04.52 | Jamash | the difference between heaven and hell is that in heaven he uses lube |
| 03:04.59 | starspun | Why does he even have to defend his belief to you guys? :| |
| 03:05.03 | Lothrik | and in hell, charcoal |
| 03:05.05 | Mowsey | which one does he use less? |
| 03:05.10 | Mowsey | cuz that's the best |
| 03:05.16 | Malgayne | starspun: To be fair I volunteered. :P |
| 03:05.28 | Ackis | Position in queue: 51,311 â Estimated time: 17 days |
| 03:05.29 | Ackis | :( |
| 03:05.30 | Ackis | lol |
| 03:05.33 | Mowsey | Malgayne likes to stir up the trolls |
| 03:05.34 | Jamash | srsly? |
| 03:05.35 | Mowsey | lol Ackis |
| 03:05.40 | Malgayne | Ackis: Wowarmory is down |
| 03:05.44 | Malgayne | There's no queue |
| 03:05.46 | Ackis | Malgayne: my profile got fixed and whatnot, thanks :) |
| 03:05.58 | Malgayne | np. :) |
| 03:06.04 | Ackis | ah explains it, but queue length is amusing |
| 03:06.12 | Jamash | Ackis: oh I thought you meant a realm login queue |
| 03:06.19 | Mowsey | me too :< |
| 03:06.21 | Ackis | I transfered toons so I'm trying to get the new server to show up |
| 03:06.23 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I believe that God created human beings, and that when he created them he intended them to be in a relationship with him |
| 03:06.28 | Mowsey | quit tittilating us, Ackis |
| 03:06.53 | Master_Vash | anyone else queued up? |
| 03:06.55 | Ackis | Malgayne: do I have to wait til armory is up for my transfered toon to show up? |
| 03:07.02 | Malgayne | I believe that what is commonly called "heaven" is a place (in some sense) where human beings exist in real, concrete, directly visible relationship with him |
| 03:07.08 | Lothrik | Malgayne: you just let me know when you're able to defend your beliefs with concrete statements that don't leave open-ended "think about it for yourself" unanswered questions |
| 03:07.20 | Malgayne | Which is the ultimate reward for humans because that's what humans were made for |
| 03:07.22 | djh- | christ, 4300 XP each for Adder's Tongue? |
| 03:07.24 | Jamash | god created human beings with no knowledge of good or evil and then punished them for disobeying him |
| 03:07.27 | starspun | Malgayne, yeah, I guess you did. But even so, they just keep going. :P |
| 03:07.34 | Lothrik | Jamash: exactly |
| 03:07.35 | Pilate | djh-: rested? |
| 03:07.42 | Malgayne | But was not created for the purpose of rewarding themâthat's just part of its nature |
| 03:07.48 | Malgayne | Ackis: I'm afraid so :( |
| 03:07.48 | Jamash | basically, god is a dick |
| 03:07.57 | Jamash | since god is infinite |
| 03:07.58 | djh- | Pilate: doesn't seem to use rest |
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| 03:08.05 | Jamash | you could call him an infinite dick |
| 03:08.15 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I believe that ultimately everyone must make the choice to exist in a relationship with God or not to |
| 03:08.18 | Ackis | Malgayne: ok, that makes things easier for me then, aka it's not broked :D |
| 03:08.30 | Malgayne | And that the people who choose not to are allowed to do so |
| 03:08.39 | Lothrik | http://i.imgur.com/puhAT.jpg |
| 03:08.41 | Pilate | it does djh |
| 03:08.53 | Malgayne | And exist in a different place, where God is not |
| 03:08.55 | djh- | then yes. |
| 03:09.10 | Malgayne | Which is not created for the purpose of punishing people |
| 03:09.18 | Malgayne | But nonetheless, because God is not there, is a really sucky place to be. |
| 03:09.20 | Lothrik | Malgayne: So atheists get their own, backup heaven? |
| 03:09.23 | Lothrik | Minus god? |
| 03:09.32 | Lothrik | Neat. Never heard that one before. |
| 03:09.45 | Malgayne | It's not a rare belief |
| 03:09.55 | Malgayne | the bible talks about wailing and gnashing of teeth |
| 03:09.56 | Lothrik | No, it is |
| 03:10.03 | Malgayne | But it doesn't talk as much about fiery torment |
| 03:10.11 | Jamash | keg party in hades |
| 03:10.13 | Lothrik | vast majority of religious people believe that only people of their religion get to go to their heaven |
| 03:10.23 | Lothrik | if all it takes is belief, faith, whatever |
| 03:10.34 | Lothrik | then I believe me and god will get to hang out in heaven |
| 03:10.37 | Lothrik | nobody else is invited |
| 03:10.46 | Lothrik | and we'll troll the starving people in africa together |
| 03:11.11 | Joshua__ | Is this the wow head chat channel? |
| 03:11.12 | Malgayne | At the end of the day I believe that you have the choice of going to hang out with God in heaven or saying "no thanks, not for me" and going somewhere else |
| 03:11.24 | Mowsey | Joshua__: unfortunately, yes |
| 03:11.30 | Mowsey | though it's in religious debate mode |
| 03:11.38 | Malgayne | Hehe |
| 03:11.41 | Malgayne | yeah, sorry |
| 03:11.41 | Lothrik | TL;DR: Everybody ends up as dirt. |
| 03:11.42 | Jamash | Joshua__: Welcome to #infinitecocks, can I take your order? |
| 03:12.08 | Malgayne | Lothrik: I think that the people who choose to go somewhere else are fools but I think we all get to pick |
| 03:12.27 | Joshua__ | How do I send private messages? |
| 03:12.58 | Jamash | one of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books explained that only people who think they deserve to go to hell actually go there |
| 03:13.02 | Malgayne | Joshua__ You have to have your nick registered on the server first, but once you are you can just type /msg name blah blah |
| 03:13.13 | Jamash | which is why it is vitally important to kill missionaries on sight |
| 03:13.40 | Mowsey | o.o |
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| 03:15.06 | Lothrik | Jamash: I don't follow your logic but I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 03:17.07 | bladekitty | holy crap |
| 03:17.10 | bladekitty | Malgayne's still alive |
| 03:17.13 | Jamash | Lothrik: http://www.lspace.org/books/pqf/eric.html |
| 03:17.19 | bladekitty | after all those thottbot assassins |
| 03:18.11 | Jamash | amg I'm logged in finally |
| 03:18.17 | Jamash | and now I have to pee :-/ |
| 03:18.19 | Lothrik | hahaha |
| 03:18.21 | Lothrik | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.44 | bladekitty | Malgayne: did you get any cata time? |
| 03:18.51 | Malgayne | A little bit |
| 03:18.53 | Jamash | fortunately, the flying spaghetti monster in its infinite wisdom has seen fit to provide me with a laptop |
| 03:19.05 | Gary|tp | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 03:19.45 | Gary|tp | oh god |
| 03:19.50 | Gary|tp | notion ink adam pre orders start TOMORROW |
| 03:20.06 | Jamash|peeing | what's that? |
| 03:20.24 | Gary|tp | the best tablet ever made so far |
| 03:20.27 | *** join/#wowhead booths (~booths@c-98-233-216-128.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 03:20.37 | Gary|tp | tegra2, android, pixel qi screen, swiveling webcam, etc |
| 03:20.45 | Mori-neko | Gary- I KNOWWWWW |
| 03:20.53 | Jamash|peeing | is it better than the tablets the ten commandments were written on? |
| 03:21.01 | Mori-neko | And they've been doing a slow reveal on that blog picture all day |
| 03:21.04 | booths | I seem to be stuck at 141/150 in Vashj'ir |
| 03:21.04 | booths | :\ |
| 03:21.28 | Mowsey | why are you peeing :< |
| 03:21.34 | Mowsey | STOP PEEING OH GOD |
| 03:21.41 | Mori-neko | Though, we do NOT have a confirmation that tomorrow will be pre-orders. Just high liklihood. |
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| 03:22.40 | Jamash|flushing | washes his hands |
| 03:22.43 | Gary|tp | Mori-neko, don't have the money to drop on it atm, so doesn't matter :( |
| 03:22.52 | Troxior | Gary|tp; oh my god that is actually amazing sounding |
| 03:22.54 | Gary|tp | but I'm so pumped |
| 03:22.55 | Jamash | all done |
| 03:22.55 | Mowsey | Jamash: hawt |
| 03:22.58 | Troxior | also watching idra play boxer lol |
| 03:23.00 | Mowsey | humped* |
| 03:23.09 | fewyn | woo i can do heroics now! |
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| 03:23.16 | Troxior | SlayerS_Cella fighting! Jinrolling his way |
| 03:23.17 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] ZAM Jumps Into StarCraft II, Vindictus, Torchlight - http://www.wowhead.com/blog=176281/zam-jumps-into-starcraft-ii-vindictus-torchlight |
| 03:23.25 | Troxior | lol what |
| 03:23.25 | Mori-neko | Gary- After listening to me talk about it for the past year, I'm getting one as a christmas present ^_^ |
| 03:23.30 | Troxior | TL has SC2 down |
| 03:24.24 | Joshua__ | ! |
| 03:24.29 | Mori-neko | Troxior- www.notionink.com |
| 03:24.47 | *** join/#wowhead Zeiris (~Zeiris@66.183.73.102) |
| 03:25.14 | Gary|tp | Mori-neko, please don't add a - to my name, it prevents it from highlighting me :( |
| 03:25.19 | Gary|tp | but yeah, I'll get it somehow |
| 03:25.22 | Gary|tp | goes to rob a bank |
| 03:25.37 | Mowsey | Yeah Gary- |
| 03:25.39 | Troxior | this tablet looks stupidly amazing |
| 03:25.40 | Gary|tp | I'm really curious as to how locked down it will be |
| 03:26.06 | Gary|tp | and if I could rip Maps.apk from my phone and install it on the tablet |
| 03:26.13 | Gary|tp | google maps on the tablet would be amazing |
| 03:26.18 | fewyn | Do heroics? Y/n? |
| 03:26.27 | Mori-neko | It's supposed to run anything from the Android store |
| 03:26.36 | Gary|tp | well |
| 03:26.48 | Gary|tp | Maps.apk is special as it requires it to be a Google experience platform |
| 03:26.50 | Gary|tp | and the Adam isn't |
| 03:27.12 | Gary|tp | you can illegaly copy maps and some special files to any android device and it SHOULD run |
| 03:27.26 | Mori-neko | Well, they did say it's got a navigation thingy made for the device |
| 03:27.27 | Gary|tp | but it requires root and I dunno if Adam comes unlocked |
| 03:27.37 | Gary|tp | which will be balls compared to Google Maps |
| 03:27.37 | Mori-neko | I -know- it'll be rootable |
| 03:29.50 | Troxior | is currently listening to Alestorm - Captain Morgan's Revenge (1:32 / 6:42). |
| 03:29.51 | Troxior | :3 |
| 03:30.39 | Mori-neko | I would be very surprised if the navigation isn't based on Google Maps, just customized to fit Adam |
| 03:31.02 | Gary|tp | erm |
| 03:31.08 | Gary|tp | they would need to buy a license from Google |
| 03:31.12 | Gary|tp | which is asspensive |
| 03:31.24 | Gary|tp | I would actually be very shocked if the Adam came with any Google Experience apps |
| 03:31.25 | Mori-neko | Well, I s'pose we'll see |
| 03:31.32 | Gary|tp | gmail, maps, gtalk, etc |
| 03:31.43 | Gary|tp | android market |
| 03:32.22 | Mori-neko | It's the only device currently announced/almost to market that's got a pixelqi screen. For that alone, I want. |
| 03:32.33 | Gary|tp | same |
| 03:32.49 | Mori-neko | Everything else looks awesome, too, though. |
| 03:32.57 | Gary|tp | yeah, like |
| 03:33.01 | Mori-neko | Which makes it more of a "IwantIwantIwantIwantIwantttttttt" |
| 03:33.06 | Gary|tp | everyone talks about the iPad like its this absolutely amazing device |
| 03:33.21 | Gary|tp | no USB ports, no HDMI port, no trackpad, no camera, no pixel qi |
| 03:33.24 | Gary|tp | no microsd |
| 03:33.28 | Mori-neko | iPads are neat, but it's got some serious issues |
| 03:33.34 | Gary|tp | if you want 3g + large storage, you need to drop $800 |
| 03:33.37 | Mori-neko | e-readers, also neat, also serious issues. |
| 03:33.42 | Jamash | Look Mr. Bubbles, Adam! |
| 03:33.45 | Gary|tp | locked to AT&T and no unlimited data plans |
| 03:33.50 | Mori-neko | Adam = iPad + e-reader |
| 03:33.53 | Gary|tp | why would anyone buy that |
| 03:33.54 | Gary|tp | :x |
| 03:34.06 | Mori-neko | Only with more shiny. |
| 03:34.23 | Malgayne | Going to head off to dinner |
| 03:34.27 | Malgayne | It's been a pleasure. :) |
| 03:34.34 | Gary|tp | the swivel camera is incredibly sexy Mori-neko |
| 03:34.36 | Gary|tp | l8r mal |
| 03:34.40 | Mori-neko | Seeya Malgayne ^^ |
| 03:34.48 | Gary|tp | I can actually imagine this device completely replacing my phone and notebook |
| 03:35.03 | Gary|tp | in class, turn the camera to face the white board |
| 03:35.05 | Mori-neko | I have a hunch that I'll end up selling a bunch of friends and family on it, once I have mine. |
| 03:35.06 | Gary|tp | while taking notes on it |
| 03:35.07 | Gary|tp | :O |
| 03:36.04 | Ackis | http://www.wowhead.com/profile=us.scarlet-crusade.ackis wjeee |
| 03:36.09 | Mori-neko | I don't know that it'll totally replace my laptop, and I know it won't replace my phone |
| 03:36.15 | Ackis | it lists me with a lowercase A though :'( |
| 03:36.22 | Mori-neko | But for many things, it'll be what I carry day-to-day |
| 03:36.33 | fewyn | 37m queue for heroics |
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| 03:36.47 | Gary|tp | well, if I throw it in my car, I already use VoIP for everything through Google Voice |
| 03:36.57 | Gary|tp | so bluetooth headset + that is going to be insanely useful |
| 03:37.04 | Mori-neko | *nods* |
| 03:37.29 | Arkaen | fewyn: rager |
| 03:37.31 | Mori-neko | I use GVoice for my answering machine these days, but I like having a dedicated phone |
| 03:37.48 | Gary|tp | my current phone setup is really sexy imow |
| 03:38.07 | Mori-neko | Oh? |
| 03:38.08 | Gary|tp | when I get a call, it pops up on my phone, notebook, desktop, and in any browser I have open |
| 03:38.19 | Gary|tp | can answer in any of them |
| 03:38.23 | Gary|tp | can dial out from any of em |
| 03:39.01 | Gary|tp | it was a real jaw dropping experience when I signed into my Google Talk account in Pidgin |
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| 03:39.11 | Gary|tp | got a phone call, and Google Voice automatically routed it to Pidgin |
| 03:39.28 | Gary|tp | "wtf is this pop up box, pidgin" |
| 03:39.31 | Gary|tp | clicks accept |
| 03:39.35 | Gary|tp | "... wtf" |
| 03:39.56 | Leif | sorry |
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| 03:40.07 | Gary|tp | it's ok, Leif |
| 03:40.24 | fewyn | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/velen/fewyn/advanced |
| 03:40.28 | Mori-neko | Wow, the second to most recent blog post is almost at 10k comments. |
| 03:41.04 | Gary|tp | I think I may pick up a Verizon cell phone, and bring it to Page Plus (prepaid Verizon MVNO) and carry that around whenever I don't want to bring my adam |
| 03:41.20 | Lothrik | I'm experimenting with new builds to work around mana problems post-80 |
| 03:41.32 | Gary|tp | since it's only $10/4 months to keep the phone active, and ~$40/month for 3g on the adam |
| 03:41.34 | Lothrik | need thoughts on what to do with this, specifically the point in atonement: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#bfh0rksbfRMochMZ0b:mVczdVVzM |
| 03:41.58 | Gary|tp | I'd get the best of both worlds depending on my situation then |
| 03:42.29 | Mori-neko | Oh, and did you see the hidden text in the current picture? |
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| 03:45.31 | Ackis | hhmmm how long does wowhead take to parse profile info uploaded? |
| 03:46.21 | starspun | I uploaded earlier to check for a few quests I might not have done in Vashj'ir and it was up pretty much instantly |
| 03:47.23 | zerq | is there anything new/worthwhile/profitable you can buy with justice points now.. I know you can't buy the level 85 gear unless you are 85 |
| 03:47.25 | fewyn | it should be pretty much instant Ackis earlier we had some server issues tho |
| 03:47.58 | Ackis | fewyn: it's a new toon (I did a server transfer)... It's imported from the armory but not syncing the other stuff it seems |
| 03:48.07 | fewyn | with the wowhead client? |
| 03:48.11 | fewyn | like quests etc? |
| 03:48.12 | Ackis | although it appears on my character list as "ackis" and not "Ackis" |
| 03:48.14 | Ackis | aye |
| 03:48.19 | Ackis | those all have locks on them |
| 03:48.35 | fewyn | goes poking |
| 03:48.44 | Raws | Poke 'n' prod |
| 03:48.56 | Ackis | http://www.wowhead.com/profile=us.scarlet-crusade.ackis fwiw |
| 03:49.02 | fewyn | yeah i'm looking |
| 03:51.07 | Gary|tp | Mori-neko, naw, I'm really far behind with the whole adam thing |
| 03:51.18 | Gary|tp | I think tonight I'll smoke a bit and sit down and read through it all |
| 03:51.18 | fewyn | Ackis while the site attempts to load here, can you open the Wowhead Client and make sure you have all the options set? |
| 03:51.52 | Ackis | upload character data is checked |
| 03:52.23 | fewyn | view -> display log |
| 03:52.56 | Ackis | [20:41:39] Upload succeeded! |
| 03:53.22 | fewyn | all i can assume then until; the site decides to load is the profiler is backed up again :( |
| 03:53.33 | Gary|tp | I think I could work the Adam into my car PC project |
| 03:54.03 | Gary|tp | beagleboard backend interfacing with the adam in a mount via usb/adb |
| 03:54.06 | Troxior | I WANNA SHAKE IT |
| 03:54.33 | Ackis | fewyn: ok thanks, I'd rather know it's backlogged than it's broken |
| 03:55.14 | Gary|tp | hm beagleboard is kinda overboard then |
| 03:57.20 | Koren | Noxy: You here? |
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| 03:58.32 | Troxior | prolly is ;; |
| 03:59.49 | fewyn | no character data uploaded ackis according to my info |
| 04:00.12 | fewyn | hrm |
| 04:00.25 | Ackis | fewyn: just got a maintenance page |
| 04:00.37 | fewyn | Ackis: yeah it's under maintance |
| 04:00.46 | fewyn | check back with me later and we'll see |
| 04:01.08 | Ackis | probably backlogged |
| 04:02.06 | Gary|tp | Raw Question: Whats a good rule of thumb when sexting |
| 04:02.11 | Gary|tp | try not using your thumb |
| 04:02.16 | fewyn | put it in her ear |
| 04:02.21 | Troxior | uhm you should always call it sexting |
| 04:02.30 | Troxior | and then say whenever you are texting call it sextinig |
| 04:02.47 | Troxior | but make sure you dont have some fucktard thinking hes cool going "Ive actually sexted before" |
| 04:02.53 | Troxior | "noreally Ive sexted before |
| 04:02.59 | Troxior | and thats it |
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| 04:03.48 | Gary|tp | lol |
| 04:03.50 | Troxior | but also when you pic trade dont be like the stupid bitch at my school do full nude for a guy who obviously would leak it. But my schools notoriously slutty so it just confirmed her slot as an annoying bitchy slut. |
| 04:03.53 | Gary|tp | I'VE SEXTED B4 GUIS |
| 04:04.13 | Troxior | this is also the kid who was like DUDE THIS PARY FOR HALLOWEEN WAS AMAZING THERE WERE SO MANY HOT CHICKS |
| 04:04.16 | Troxior | AND THERE WAS POT |
| 04:04.27 | Troxior | I GOT SOOOOO OSTONED OMFG AND PEOPLE WERE FUCKING UP ON THE WALLS. |
| 04:04.32 | Gary|tp | WOW REALLY THEy HAD POT? |
| 04:04.40 | Gary|tp | OMG I WISH I COULD GO I NEVER GET TO EVEN SEE THAT STUFF |
| 04:04.43 | Troxior | PROTIP: dont mention parties that there are pics of on facebook........... |
| 04:04.51 | Troxior | YEAH SO THEN I WAS LIKE OMFG POT |
| 04:04.58 | Troxior | IMA HOTBOX MY HOUSE THATS SO COOL |
| 04:05.32 | Gary|tp | man |
| 04:05.34 | Gary|tp | I hate those kids |
| 04:05.38 | Gary|tp | that all they do is talk about pot |
| 04:05.40 | Gary|tp | lmao 8) |
| 04:05.52 | Troxior | LOL ok well hes not as bad as the kid in homeroom |
| 04:06.14 | Gary|tp | I was making fun of myself, Troxior |
| 04:06.23 | Troxior | everyones supposed to answer the question of "what do you do in your freetime?" Hes all like Im so cool "MARIJUANA" |
| 04:06.25 | Troxior | I know |
| 04:06.45 | Troxior | Im giving you the benefit of the doubt that you arent as annoying about it. |
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| 04:07.51 | robokitty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp_RHnQ-jgU that is fucking awesome :D |
| 04:09.48 | Gary|tp | What do you call an Alabama farmer with a sheep under each arm? A pimp |
| 04:10.02 | Troxior | XD |
| 04:13.16 | fewyn | heroic tiem |
| 04:13.18 | fewyn | lost city |
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| 04:24.51 | dogel | ~4*4000000 |
| 04:24.51 | infobot | 16000000 |
| 04:25.52 | dogel | ~1000/75 |
| 04:25.52 | infobot | 13.333333333333 |
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| 04:27.07 | dogel | ~4700000*4 |
| 04:27.07 | infobot | 18800000 |
| 04:27.30 | Clearness | Big fuckin' numbers! |
| 04:27.32 | Koren | ~(12!)/(13!) |
| 04:27.35 | Clearness | You're all FURY :< |
| 04:29.20 | dogel | just trying to calculate for maximum profit |
| 04:29.50 | Clearness | Threaten people IRL with bears, profit. |
| 04:30.59 | fewyn | ok that didn't work out well |
| 04:31.04 | fewyn | 6 wipes on general |
| 04:31.16 | fewyn | either we aren't geared enough |
| 04:31.21 | fewyn | or we can't figure out the trick |
| 04:31.43 | Clearness | Well, I'd be happy to help you but I won't have Cata till the 25th. :< |
| 04:32.03 | Clearness | I've been ordered not to buy it, with "innocent" looks and "We'll get it together!" |
| 04:32.32 | dogel | i decided to quit once and for all at 12am launch |
| 04:32.33 | dogel | rofl |
| 04:33.11 | starspun | http://i.imgur.com/NsTfO.jpg |
| 04:33.47 | Clearness | That kid sure loves his cotto-... oh. |
| 04:33.59 | dogel | lmao |
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| 04:36.28 | bladekitty | dogel always takes a doggy bag, and in bed, does it doggy style. |
| 04:37.29 | dogel | my favorite position of all |
| 04:37.36 | Stormkitty | dooogel |
| 04:37.37 | Stormkitty | Hai |
| 04:38.01 | dogel | teachers who bug you to email them if you don't go to school but never reply back and nag you about it the next class annoy me :| |
| 04:38.04 | Inc` | doooogel |
| 04:38.11 | dogel | what up |
| 04:38.16 | bladekitty | Inc`: you LIVE |
| 04:38.16 | Inc` | Go get on SC2 :O |
| 04:38.17 | dogel | dances on Inc` |
| 04:38.20 | dogel | omggggg |
| 04:38.24 | dogel | DUDE I SUCK |
| 04:38.26 | bladekitty | shoves an Inc` into dogel |
| 04:38.28 | Inc` | IMA TEACH YOU |
| 04:38.31 | dogel | YOU'RE GONNA OWN ME FIRST PUSH |
| 04:38.31 | dogel | ;_; |
| 04:38.32 | Inc` | hi2u bladekitty |
| 04:38.45 | Inc` | DOOO EEEET |
| 04:38.49 | dogel | besides im mentally calculating numbers FOR MAXIMUM PROFITS |
| 04:38.59 | dogel | FFFF I HAVE TO GET MY PHONE TO AUTHENTICATE |
| 04:39.06 | Inc` | Less profits more CALCULATING BUILD ORDERS |
| 04:39.10 | Inc` | gogogog |
| 04:39.10 | dogel | the things i do your man |
| 04:39.12 | dogel | for you* |
| 04:39.23 | Inc` | lol you do absolutely nothing :D |
| 04:39.26 | dogel | SHHHHHH |
| 04:39.29 | dogel | I JUST DID |
| 04:39.45 | Inc` | You haven't done it yet |
| 04:40.00 | dogel | calm your balls |
| 04:40.05 | dogel | I JUST OPENED THE GAME |
| 04:43.40 | Inc` | Whar be the friend invite |
| 04:44.50 | dogel | buh |
| 04:44.51 | dogel | wait |
| 04:45.01 | dogel | had to take out ze trash |
| 04:45.11 | Stormkitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.13 | Stormkitty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:45.58 | dogel | whoops opened campaign XD |
| 04:46.02 | dogel | hugs Stormkitty |
| 04:46.11 | Stormkitty | <3 |
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| 05:07.41 | Stormkitty | So I may or may not be getting a $2000 paycheque in 3 hours. |
| 05:08.01 | Raws | Get a $2000 computer to go along with it |
| 05:08.21 | Stormkitty | why would I buy some piece of shit computer |
| 05:08.54 | Stormkitty | Besides, I wouldn't trust just any mouthbreather to build a computer for me. |
| 05:08.58 | fewyn | @weather report 32780 |
| 05:08.59 | [Wheaties] | Location: Titusville, FL (32780) - Updated at: 12/8/10 11:55 PM EST - Temp: 48F (8C) - Feels like: 46F (7C) - Wind: NNW 6 MPH - Conditions: Cloudy - Humidity: 62% |
| 05:09.04 | Stormkitty | I'm the only mouthbreather allowed to touch my computer. |
| 05:10.10 | Clearness | @weather report 01301 |
| 05:10.11 | [Wheaties] | Location: Greenfield, MA (01301) - Updated at: 12/8/10 11:52 PM EST - Temp: 19F (-8C) - Feels like: 9F (-13C) - Wind: W 8 MPH - Conditions: Fair - Humidity: 52% |
| 05:10.15 | Clearness | Toasty! :) |
| 05:10.43 | Stormkitty | @weather report |
| 05:10.43 | [Wheaties] | Location: Burnaby, Canada - Updated at: 12/8/10 8:00 PM Local Time - Temp: 45F (7C) - Feels like: 38F (3C) - Wind: S 15 MPH - Conditions: Light Rain Shower - Humidity: 87% |
| 05:11.01 | starspun | @weather report |
| 05:11.01 | [Wheaties] | Location: Trondheim, Norway - Updated at: 12/9/10 5:50 AM Local Time - Temp: 10F (-13C) - Feels like: 0F (-18C) - Wind: SE 7 MPH - Conditions: Mostly Cloudy - Humidity: 91% |
| 05:11.01 | Clearness | You guys are all warmer. :( |
| 05:11.06 | Clearness | Oh, finally. lol |
| 05:11.23 | Clearness | starspun, why is it so wet where you are? |
| 05:11.32 | Ackis | fewyn: all looks good, I just reuploaded data again |
| 05:11.41 | starspun | I don't know. |
| 05:11.50 | fewyn | k Ackis |
| 05:12.10 | Ackis | fewyn: you replied to my e-mail too <3 |
| 05:12.22 | Raws | Clearness: hi there, fellow Masshole \o/ |
| 05:12.45 | Clearness | ohaidere. |
| 05:12.51 | Raws | @weather report 02043 |
| 05:12.52 | [Wheaties] | Location: Hingham, MA (02043) - Updated at: 12/8/10 11:54 PM EST - Temp: 25F (-4C) - Feels like: 11F (-12C) - Wind: W 18 MPH - Conditions: Partly Cloudy - Humidity: 38% |
| 05:12.58 | Clearness | I'm gettin' out soon, before I adopt a lifestyle of heroin and minimum wage jobs. |
| 05:13.12 | Raws | Sweet |
| 05:13.18 | Clearness | Western Massachusetts, where true love happens (with your cousins!) |
| 05:13.33 | Raws | I didn't even know anyone lived out there |
| 05:14.08 | Clearness | Where ya from? I'm Californian by birth, Vermonter by upbringing, Massclown by schooling. |
| 05:14.23 | Raws | Dayum, well-rounded |
| 05:14.23 | Stormkitty | I play all of my records backwards! sdrawkcab sdrocer ym fo lla yalp I |
| 05:14.35 | fewyn | Ackis: did i? |
| 05:14.39 | fewyn | i replied to a lot of emails |
| 05:14.42 | fewyn | :} |
| 05:14.55 | Raws | Clearness: I'm a Masshole by birth, by upbringing and by making-a-living |
| 05:15.01 | Ackis | fewyn: I was told to e-mail about my profile being broke, I did, you replied saying it works ;) |
| 05:15.17 | Clearness | Well, hail and well met. :P |
| 05:15.21 | Ackis | mentioned I'm on IRC, I like penis, etc |
| 05:15.22 | Raws | Likewise :P |
| 05:16.00 | Clearness | Argh, I've just been burdened with laughter. |
| 05:16.05 | Clearness | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajXT9ER7WFo&feature=channel |
| 05:16.24 | Raws | That owns |
| 05:16.51 | Koren | :) |
| 05:17.05 | Koren | OH HERE'S MY PHONE |
| 05:17.12 | Koren | NEVERMIND FUCK THAT MY EAR BURNS |
| 05:17.28 | dogel | o_O |
| 05:17.36 | Raws | That dude's ringtone rules |
| 05:17.46 | Koren | now my question is why is someone videotaping him ironing a shirt |
| 05:17.52 | Raws | I was wondering that |
| 05:17.56 | Koren | (that's my fetish) |
| 05:18.00 | Raws | o |
| 05:18.15 | Raws | is listening to Piano Concerto No. 4 in G major Op. 58 - 3. Rondo, Vivace by Krystian Zimerman, Wiener Philharmoniker cond. Leonard Bernstein from Beethoven: Piano Concerto Nos. 3 & 4 (8:37 / 10:04) |
| 05:18.18 | Raws | This is my fetish |
| 05:18.35 | Clearness | I'm listening to liquid DnB. That's one facet of my musical tastes. |
| 05:18.36 | Koren | That's a long ass name |
| 05:18.43 | Raws | A long ass-name |
| 05:18.59 | Clearness | Long-ass name, to be proper. |
| 05:19.24 | Clearness | When you're linking words to use a clause as an adjective, gotta abuse dem hyphenz. |
| 05:19.34 | starspun | Ass-name. |
| 05:19.35 | Raws | We do, don't worry |
| 05:19.45 | Clearness | Also, because this is the internet, the name of that song includes "Wiener". |
| 05:19.58 | Clearness | Let's all regress to 4th grade and giggle. |
| 05:20.08 | Raws | Wiener Philharmonic best philharmonic |
| 05:20.08 | starspun | I have yet again discovered an inexplicable bruise on the back of my calf. |
| 05:20.16 | *** join/#wowhead nmsiz (~none@s83-179-19-105.cust.tele2.se) |
| 05:20.19 | Raws | Maybe raising cattle just isn't for you |
| 05:20.23 | starspun | :( |
| 05:20.28 | starspun | But they're so cute. |
| 05:20.31 | Koren | I'm currently listening to some progressive dreamfunk, after this I'm planning on some post-avant jazzcore. |
| 05:20.44 | Raws | Post-avant, I wanna hear that |
| 05:20.44 | Clearness | Koren, touché. |
| 05:20.51 | Clearness | Want some 90s era sci-fi themed surf punk? |
| 05:21.02 | Clearness | I've got a few albums of "Is It Man or Astro-Man?" |
| 05:21.06 | Koren | no, but i'd love some neo gregorian chantrock |
| 05:21.21 | Clearness | Two Steps From Hell has some good songs that might fit under that. |
| 05:22.05 | bladekitty | sneezes all over dogel |
| 05:22.15 | Raws | I was pounding a handle to some deconstructionist ukelele thrashcore earlier |
| 05:22.33 | bladekitty | <Raws> I was pounding a handle to some deconstructionist ukelele thrashcore earlier with my pelvis |
| 05:22.37 | Raws | Yeah |
| 05:22.39 | Raws | Yeah, that |
| 05:22.41 | Clearness | Really? Because I just had an urge to listen to a hobo playing a banjo. |
| 05:22.51 | Raws | Best urge |
| 05:25.30 | starspun | Clearness, I just want to announce that I love you so much right now |
| 05:25.41 | Clearness | How's that? |
| 05:25.45 | starspun | Is It Man or Astro-Man is amazing. |
| 05:25.47 | starspun | Thank you. |
| 05:25.55 | Clearness | Yeah, well, I grew up on that and Royal Crown Revue. |
| 05:26.07 | Clearness | I was a badass dancer at 6 years old. |
| 05:26.12 | Clearness | I hope nobody ever caught footage of it. |
| 05:26.17 | Troxior | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWa9sJzgM4A&feature=player_embedded |
| 05:26.20 | Troxior | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
| 05:26.29 | Troxior | Im laughing my ass off at this shit |
| 05:29.28 | Mr_Rabies | man |
| 05:29.32 | Clearness | So odd. |
| 05:29.39 | Mr_Rabies | Miyari/Corgan if either of you are here |
| 05:30.10 | Mr_Rabies | as fellow druids, did Hyjal just feel like an awesome huge class quest to you too |
| 05:30.28 | Clearness | I heard you throw bears. |
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| 05:33.23 | dogel | juggles bears. |
| 05:34.02 | Raws | Huggle bears |
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| 05:36.19 | dogel | huggles a bear that looks like Raws :| |
| 05:36.33 | dogel | actually that'd be pretty scary |
| 05:36.43 | Raws | I am man nor bear nor pig |
| 05:36.52 | dogel | pigbearman |
| 05:39.15 | Inc` | zomg a Raws |
| 05:39.27 | Raws | An Inc`! |
| 05:40.55 | dogel | juggles Inc` |
| 05:41.41 | dogel | @weather report caxx0400 |
| 05:41.42 | [Wheaties] | Location: Richmond, Canada - Updated at: 12/8/10 9:00 PM Local Time - Temp: 45F (7C) - Feels like: 39F (3C) - Wind: SSE 10 MPH - Conditions: Light Rain Shower - Humidity: 87% |
| 05:46.58 | Mr_Rabies | [00:46]You have gained the maximum amount of guild reputation allowed this week |
| 05:47.05 | Mr_Rabies | guess i need to get used to that |
| 05:47.05 | Mr_Rabies | :[ |
| 05:47.14 | starspun | You do. |
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| 05:48.01 | Koren | how do you get guild rep? |
| 05:48.18 | starspun | By doing quests. |
| 05:49.58 | starspun | And apparently also through earning guild achievements, and rated BGs, and participating in a raid boss kill with a group coposed mostly of guild members. |
| 05:50.19 | Raws | Beethoven's 9th is forever associated with Rejected in my mind |
| 05:50.28 | starspun | DENIED. |
| 05:50.42 | Gary13579 | Raws how do I convince people to learn Ruby |
| 05:50.52 | Raws | Hugs 'n' nugs |
| 05:51.03 | Gary13579 | woaaaah |
| 05:51.12 | Gary13579 | if you are oldhippie |
| 05:51.14 | Gary13579 | my mind is blown |
| 05:51.27 | Raws | HEH |
| 05:51.41 | Gary13579 | don't toy with my emotionsl like that |
| 05:52.00 | Raws | You are the demons |
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| 05:56.32 | dogel | im wearing this shirt that says |
| 05:56.36 | dogel | jesus is my homeboy |
| 05:56.46 | dogel | i like it. |
| 05:57.08 | Raws | J-Dizzle |
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| 05:59.43 | vajjtastic | anything kewl happening guys/gals? |
| 06:00.17 | Raws | http://i.imgur.com/DdChV.jpg |
| 06:00.21 | Raws | World's first headlight-mounted intake |
| 06:01.03 | bladekitty | Raws: sleep |
| 06:01.04 | vajjtastic | i have no idea what that means. not a car guy |
| 06:01.05 | bladekitty | you bastid |
| 06:01.25 | Raws | I refuse |
| 06:01.28 | Raws | I'm on a leveling roll |
| 06:01.30 | vajjtastic | Ow i see it now, lol |
| 06:01.46 | Raws | Levels one through four in 2h 41m 34s |
| 06:02.12 | starspun | You're gonna be 85 before me. |
| 06:02.14 | vajjtastic | my xpac camein the mail today, but im at work si still have not played |
| 06:03.01 | Raws | Oh my god a snow leopard just leapt like ten meters onto me |
| 06:03.32 | vajjtastic | and yet u can still type! Amazing |
| 06:03.47 | Raws | Snow leaptard |
| 06:03.55 | Koren | snow leotard |
| 06:05.39 | Troxior | loooooool |
| 06:06.24 | vajjtastic | thats the snow leaptards battle cry |
| 06:06.26 | dogel | Raws is an amazing, amazing man |
| 06:06.37 | Ward | man I just drove to the train station in back |
| 06:06.38 | dogel | PRETTY COOL GUY |
| 06:06.41 | Ward | all the way in 3rd gear |
| 06:06.44 | Koren | Troxior: This is your kinda stuff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt40Gd2A5yE |
| 06:06.52 | dogel | EH GETS LEAPT UPON BY SNOW LEOPARDS AND DOESNT AFRAID OF ANYTHING |
| 06:06.52 | dogel | :| |
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| 06:07.30 | Raws | I'm secretly insulted that you put me in a 4chan meme, but I know you mean well |
| 06:07.46 | Troxior | Koren; listening right now :| |
| 06:07.47 | Pharod42 | How do I make links that are just the name of the thing, rather than the URL? Like http://www.wowhead.com/item=54451#comments:id=1090920 |
| 06:07.55 | dogel | <3 Raws |
| 06:07.57 | Ward | it's not fit for man or beast out there |
| 06:07.58 | dogel | I MEAN IT WITH LOVE |
| 06:08.02 | dogel | <3 /b/ |
| 06:08.27 | vajjtastic | i only like caturdays! |
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| 06:09.06 | Raws | No day is a good day at 4chan |
| 06:09.18 | Troxior | Koren; good but vocals are too low in mix |
| 06:09.35 | Troxior | just some good ol' shredding |
| 06:09.36 | vajjtastic | what, what in the gut! |
| 06:09.46 | Troxior | punches vajjtastic in the gut |
| 06:10.06 | vajjtastic | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.53 | Troxior | fucks shit up and doesnt give a flying fuck move |
| 06:10.53 | Troxior | vajjtastic; you died |
| 06:11.22 | vajjtastic | bu... but.... i dodged! i have very high dodge |
| 06:11.22 | dogel | GODMODING |
| 06:11.31 | Troxior | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1eSAaa7Avo |
| 06:11.37 | Troxior | I dont care |
| 06:11.43 | Troxior | its hard to dodge my ball of fat |
| 06:11.53 | Troxior | I weigh 180 pound you know I can be as fat as I want |
| 06:12.14 | vajjtastic | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.23 | Troxior | lol durids wat |
| 06:12.31 | vajjtastic | win |
| 06:12.40 | Troxior | you uhm |
| 06:12.44 | Troxior | cant brex urself......... |
| 06:13.01 | vajjtastic | meh, haxor :) |
| 06:13.52 | vajjtastic | ugh, i wanna play cata, GD job |
| 06:14.06 | vajjtastic | 4 more hours |
| 06:14.17 | starspun | Yes, that damn job that enables you to afford playing. :D |
| 06:14.39 | Owkkuri | starspun: you and your logic :( |
| 06:14.53 | Troxior | starspun isnt entitled to asay anything about expenses though |
| 06:14.56 | vajjtastic | i kniw right, who do thet think they are enabling my addictions like that |
| 06:15.27 | *** join/#wowhead Sockett (Sockett@S010600240145c437.ek.shawcable.net) |
| 06:15.34 | Sockett | whaddup |
| 06:15.44 | starspun | Troxior, o rly. |
| 06:15.48 | Raws | 'lo |
| 06:15.55 | Troxior | starspun; yarly |
| 06:15.57 | Raws | I think it might be time to znore soonish |
| 06:16.00 | starspun | Also why have you chnged your nick |
| 06:16.02 | vajjtastic | speaking of $$ i think im going to buy my GF the murlock stein |
| 06:16.08 | Troxior | because I fucking can gawd |
| 06:16.32 | Sockett | Girls don't play wow... :O |
| 06:16.45 | Owkkuri | you play wow, :O |
| 06:16.50 | starspun | Buuurn. |
| 06:16.54 | Sockett | Lawl |
| 06:16.55 | dogel | snickers |
| 06:16.59 | Sockett | <3 |
| 06:17.01 | Koren | Fire doesn't play wow. |
| 06:17.02 | vajjtastic | tell that to the 12+ girls i kniw that do! |
| 06:17.07 | dogel | showers Owkkuri with glitter |
| 06:17.12 | Raws | 12+? You barely hold a candle to rosco |
| 06:17.15 | Owkkuri | twirls |
| 06:17.18 | starspun | hahaha |
| 06:17.20 | dogel | ffs |
| 06:17.26 | Sockett | I know, i was kidding though, i know like 4 |
| 06:17.28 | starspun | Oh that damn rosco |
| 06:17.29 | Troxior | LOL OH U |
| 06:17.29 | Raws | Unless you're talking age |
| 06:17.30 | dogel | WHY ISNT MY RELOAD TAB EVERY 5 SECONDS THING WORKING |
| 06:17.33 | dogel | rages |
| 06:17.34 | Troxior | <3 raws |
| 06:17.46 | Koren | what a pimp: http://i.imgur.com/ASTex.jpg |
| 06:17.54 | Raws | ASSTex |
| 06:18.03 | vajjtastic | i went to a game college lots of female mmo'rs there, and most were pretty cute |
| 06:18.13 | dogel | Koren, you want him, and you know it |
| 06:18.17 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Intel SSD Sweepstakes - http://www.wowhead.com/blog=176292/intel-ssd-sweepstakes |
| 06:18.21 | Koren | His pecs are magnets. |
| 06:18.26 | Sockett | Lololol, koren |
| 06:18.28 | Troxior | Koren; thats like the kid |
| 06:18.39 | starspun | Koren, did you even get to play games with him yesterday |
| 06:18.46 | Koren | pfft no |
| 06:18.46 | Troxior | ok koren |
| 06:18.54 | Troxior | its like the awkward kid I saw in a mcdonalds one day |
| 06:19.00 | Koren | He "left for a margarita" and never returned |
| 06:19.02 | Troxior | he was on a date with a girl it was lolzy awkward |
| 06:19.09 | starspun | They have mirrors at McDonald's, Troxior? |
| 06:19.20 | dogel | hahahaha |
| 06:19.22 | Troxior | coure there was the fact I had just chugged a 32oz slurpee before |
| 06:19.23 | dogel | claps |
| 06:19.38 | Troxior | starspun; why would you ever imply that I was with a gir;? o_O |
| 06:19.44 | Troxior | anyways |
| 06:19.49 | Koren | WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT |
| 06:19.51 | Troxior | thats the only reason why I remember |
| 06:19.53 | Raws | Dates with gir |
| 06:20.11 | starspun | Troxior+GIR 4eva |
| 06:20.18 | dogel | i think i won $50 from this random scratchcard mom gave me earlier |
| 06:20.19 | dogel | :| |
| 06:20.20 | Raws | I just saw a guy in <flash me your pixels> |
| 06:20.24 | Sockett | lmao |
| 06:20.25 | Troxior | Im just surprised normally Im called gay or its heavily implied Ill be celibate for life and not of my choice |
| 06:20.31 | dogel | nice, Raws |
| 06:20.37 | Troxior | my guild is called |
| 06:20.43 | Troxior | <TONIGHT WE DINE AT ARBYS> |
| 06:20.43 | Raws | Of course I flashed mine |
| 06:20.57 | starspun | My priest's guild is <Dire Bears Best Avoided>. And my rogue is in <Cold Turkey>. |
| 06:21.00 | Raws | Arby's brings the pain |
| 06:21.08 | Raws | Oh man, you joined? |
| 06:21.12 | starspun | Yes. |
| 06:21.14 | Troxior | ok afk |
| 06:21.29 | Raws | How long before Cold Turkey becomes Old Turkey |
| 06:21.53 | dogel | my favorite guild was <Fails at Safety Dance> |
| 06:22.03 | dogel | ..no one in that guild ever failed at it |
| 06:22.30 | Raws | Blasphemers |
| 06:23.44 | dogel | i baked a dozen cupcakes last night |
| 06:23.52 | dogel | brought 6 to school |
| 06:23.53 | Raws | yeeeeee |
| 06:24.00 | dogel | they were all devoured within 2 mins |
| 06:24.01 | Sockett | Why werent you on wow? |
| 06:24.01 | dogel | @_@ |
| 06:24.24 | Sockett | Why would you spend time baking, when you could be working on 85 |
| 06:24.26 | starspun | Because she was at school :| |
| 06:24.33 | Sockett | no she was baking |
| 06:24.33 | starspun | Orrrr she was busy BAKING |
| 06:24.47 | starspun | Except |
| 06:24.50 | *** join/#wowhead silph (~afkafka@wikimedia/afkafka) |
| 06:24.53 | starspun | she doesn't play WoW right now. |
| 06:24.53 | starspun | :D |
| 06:24.56 | dogel | because |
| 06:24.56 | starspun | afaik! |
| 06:24.57 | Sockett | :O |
| 06:25.00 | dogel | i don't play |
| 06:25.01 | Sockett | WHHAAAATTTT |
| 06:25.08 | dogel | I'VE DECIDED TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL |
| 06:25.14 | Sockett | WHY |
| 06:25.16 | Sockett | WHAT |
| 06:25.16 | dogel | 12am cata launch, i made this decision. XD |
| 06:25.16 | Sockett | NO |
| 06:25.22 | Sockett | O,o |
| 06:25.23 | dogel | mom was proud of me |
| 06:25.35 | Sockett | 12am cata launch i was camping the flight master |
| 06:25.36 | dogel | for kicking the habit after wasting a third of my life on it |
| 06:26.20 | Sockett | The only reason im not on right now is because i have to be online in order for my transfer to work |
| 06:26.25 | Sockett | offline * |
| 06:27.24 | dogel | i |
| 06:27.25 | dogel | want |
| 06:27.27 | dogel | broccoli |
| 06:27.38 | Sockett | broccoli is good |
| 06:27.39 | Sockett | O.o |
| 06:27.44 | Owkkuri | wut |
| 06:27.56 | Sockett | Especially with cheese sauce lol |
| 06:28.07 | dogel | yeah |
| 06:28.12 | dogel | i could totally go for some |
| 06:28.17 | dogel | BUT NO I CAN'T HAVE BROCCOLI |
| 06:28.18 | dogel | ffs |
| 06:28.22 | Sockett | why not |
| 06:28.27 | Sockett | D: |
| 06:28.37 | dogel | doctor was all BROCCOLI IS HARD TO DIGEST YOU HAVE AN ULCER DON'T EAT THAT SHIT |
| 06:28.42 | Mr_Rabies | this is too much brocollis |
| 06:28.50 | Mr_Rabies | broccolis* |
| 06:28.52 | Sockett | ulcers is bahhhd |
| 06:28.57 | dogel | BR0ccoli |
| 06:28.57 | Raws | Choppin' broccoliiiii |
| 06:29.06 | Sockett | :( |
| 06:29.11 | dogel | they ARE bad |
| 06:29.18 | dogel | DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY THINGS I CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE |
| 06:29.19 | dogel | ;_; |
| 06:29.21 | Sockett | oops almost typed my wow info into chat |
| 06:29.47 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 06:29.52 | dogel | my password is d2n02101-- |
| 06:29.58 | dogel | :| |
| 06:30.05 | Sockett | mines "IlikeTurkeys666" |
| 06:30.06 | Sockett | lololol |
| 06:30.09 | Mr_Rabies | raws i had a sound pack for tribes that would play that among many other things |
| 06:30.12 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't know why |
| 06:30.15 | Sockett | but you cannot know my password >:D |
| 06:30.17 | Sockett | err |
| 06:30.19 | Sockett | email! |
| 06:30.19 | starspun | I've put my password in here :( |
| 06:30.26 | Sockett | or authenticator code |
| 06:30.30 | starspun | Then, less than a month later |
| 06:30.40 | Sockett | with your email? |
| 06:30.40 | starspun | I put my new password into another IRC channel. |
| 06:30.46 | Raws | Awesome, rabies |
| 06:30.48 | starspun | No, just the password. :P |
| 06:30.51 | dogel | LOL |
| 06:30.52 | dogel | gg |
| 06:30.55 | Sockett | you get hacked? |
| 06:30.59 | starspun | No. |
| 06:31.04 | dogel | i never type my full password into any irc channel |
| 06:31.09 | Sockett | haha i just did |
| 06:31.14 | starspun | I did it on accident, silly girl |
| 06:31.25 | dogel | my password is um |
| 06:31.25 | dogel | .. |
| 06:31.32 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKD6E2C6Vq0 |
| 06:31.33 | Sockett | i did it on purpose lolol |
| 06:31.34 | dogel | lemme go type it out cause i forget XD |
| 06:31.36 | Mr_Rabies | raws |
| 06:31.39 | starspun | I boot up WoW and type shit in IRC meanwhile |
| 06:31.41 | dogel | d2n0210102 |
| 06:31.46 | dogel | ^ |
| 06:32.02 | starspun | and when I'm at the loginscreen... the marker in the password field shows as active even though it's not |
| 06:32.03 | dogel | i keep typing stuff in irc that is meant for msn :| |
| 06:32.13 | starspun | So I think I'm typing shit in there. |
| 06:32.18 | starspun | and then BAM PASSWORD IN IRC |
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| 06:32.40 | *** mode/#wowhead [+o TheOnyx] by ChanServ |
| 06:32.44 | Sockett | lolol |
| 06:32.55 | Raws | The mnemonic for my WoW password involves A1 steak sauce, the C5 galaxy, 69, the word "ung" and fornication |
| 06:32.55 | Sockett | ive done that |
| 06:33.01 | Sockett | i did that on facebook |
| 06:33.11 | Sockett | and youtube |
| 06:33.12 | Sockett | O.o |
| 06:33.15 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] More Cataclysm Hotfixes Live! (December 8th) - http://www.wowhead.com/blog=176294/more-cataclysm-hotfixes-live-december-8th |
| 06:33.17 | starspun | Mine involves Oprah and virgins. |
| 06:33.18 | Sockett | dual monitors trick me |
| 06:33.19 | starspun | I don't even. |
| 06:33.34 | Raws | beeees |
| 06:33.37 | Raws | beeeeeeeees |
| 06:33.38 | dogel | mine's.. a ton of passwords condensed |
| 06:33.42 | Raws | Oprah and beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees |
| 06:34.04 | Raws | http://i56.tinypic.com/2cnjkw1.gif |
| 06:34.06 | Sockett | haha |
| 06:34.14 | dogel | rofl |
| 06:34.21 | Sockett | lmao |
| 06:34.23 | Arkaen | gnight |
| 06:34.31 | dogel | "Use your wet noodle on them" |
| 06:34.38 | dogel | nighty night arky |
| 06:34.54 | Sockett | so my char was moved succesfully |
| 06:34.58 | Sockett | im going back on wow |
| 06:35.14 | dogel | have fuunnnnnn |
| 06:35.32 | Sockett | see i just about typed my password in here |
| 06:35.34 | Sockett | O.o |
| 06:36.08 | Sockett | my char does not seem to be on the new realm |
| 06:37.16 | Sockett | oh nevermind |
| 06:37.19 | Sockett | found em |
| 06:37.37 | Sockett | i love when my authenticator gives me easy codes |
| 06:37.38 | Sockett | like |
| 06:37.47 | Sockett | 22336622 |
| 06:38.16 | dogel | i had like, 28888388 once |
| 06:38.21 | dogel | or something that was basically all 8s |
| 06:38.22 | dogel | lolol |
| 06:42.01 | Sockett | haha |
| 06:42.11 | Troxior | sups dawg |
| 06:42.14 | Troxior | so i herd you like meh |
| 06:42.18 | Troxior | but you dont |
| 06:43.20 | Sockett | D: |
| 06:43.24 | Sockett | who? |
| 06:43.32 | Troxior | idk |
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| 06:45.26 | dogel | duuuuuude |
| 06:45.28 | dogel | it's |
| 06:45.29 | dogel | WEDNESDAY |
| 06:45.32 | dogel | holy shit |
| 06:45.34 | Troxior | yes it is |
| 06:45.38 | Troxior | late start friday :D |
| 06:45.38 | dogel | wait |
| 06:45.38 | dogel | WHOA |
| 06:45.44 | dogel | TOMORROW IS THURSDAY |
| 06:45.45 | dogel | LOL |
| 06:46.15 | Troxior | .................. |
| 06:46.23 | dogel | i just realized |
| 06:46.29 | dogel | i have cookies in my backpack |
| 06:46.37 | dogel | TIME TO EAT |
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| 06:48.50 | Gary13579 | Troxior, v2.0 http://i.imgur.com/uSS1z.png |
| 06:49.30 | Troxior | Gary13579; <333333333333 that looks sexy as fuck |
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| 06:49.39 | Troxior | now I need to make sure I get it updated lol but omfg |
| 06:50.00 | Gary13579 | trying to think |
| 06:50.05 | Gary13579 | of all the tournaments I need to index |
| 06:50.35 | Troxior | meh youll be getting a couple more in like janurary when the tournaments are announced |
| 06:50.45 | Troxior | because A class will have good players too |
| 06:50.53 | Gary13579 | I already know the GOM tournaments |
| 06:50.56 | Gary13579 | and have them listed |
| 06:50.58 | Gary13579 | on the site |
| 06:51.03 | Troxior | also reading the fanpage on oGsMC is like :| hes amazing |
| 06:51.04 | Troxior | ah kk |
| 06:51.05 | Gary13579 | but I mean non-GOM tournaments |
| 06:51.10 | Gary13579 | stuff like mlg |
| 06:51.11 | Gary13579 | and wcg |
| 06:51.24 | Raws | Lug, time to plan your next fabulous vaca http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2034027,00.html?hpt=C2 |
| 06:51.25 | Troxior | oh uhm I cant think of anything good besides stuff like dreamhack |
| 06:51.31 | Troxior | but those are like one time deals a year |
| 06:51.54 | Troxior | all it would be is like an intel masters/dreamhack folder imo which would be "Other Major Tournaments" |
| 06:52.16 | Troxior | -_- |
| 06:52.38 | Troxior | raws lmfao they also have vodka so I wouldnt be surprised if I was buzzed there and got led there by the lure of vodka lOL |
| 06:52.45 | Raws | welp |
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| 06:54.37 | Troxior | fuck when did koren leave |
| 06:54.51 | Troxior | I was just going to tell her that Baliset is good |
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| 06:59.58 | Lothrik | oh god |
| 07:00.05 | Lothrik | I feel like I'm going to vomit |
| 07:00.21 | dogel | me too! |
| 07:00.22 | Lothrik | I just opened a new jar of Nutella |
| 07:00.32 | Lothrik | started making some toast with it |
| 07:00.42 | Lothrik | took a bite and.. it tastes like poison and smoke |
| 07:00.55 | Lothrik | looked at the inside of the lid and it's burnt and yellow |
| 07:00.57 | Owkkuri | Nutella on toast o_O |
| 07:01.00 | dogel | ..gross |
| 07:01.06 | dogel | also, nutella on toast is delicious |
| 07:01.13 | Lothrik | not when it tastes like poison |
| 07:01.14 | Owkkuri | makes a note |
| 07:01.30 | Gary13579 | ofc it is dogel |
| 07:01.32 | Gary13579 | its nutella |
| 07:01.36 | Lothrik | shivers |
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| 07:01.48 | Lothrik | I'm not sure whether I should call poison control or nutella |
| 07:01.51 | coolbond | good morning everyone |
| 07:01.56 | dogel | CALL EVERYTHING |
| 07:01.58 | dogel | all at once |
| 07:02.17 | starspun | im beautiful woman :) with nutella on laser |
| 07:02.23 | Lothrik | seriously though |
| 07:02.34 | Lothrik | it smells the same way it tastes |
| 07:02.40 | Lothrik | like chlorine and smoke |
| 07:03.49 | Gary|tp | shut the fuck up Lothrik noone cares what you think |
| 07:03.53 | Gary|tp | nutella is too badass for you |
| 07:04.51 | Lothrik | nutella is badass |
| 07:04.58 | Lothrik | a little poison isn't going to turn me off of it |
| 07:05.12 | Lothrik | I'm rather disappointed though as this was the last jar in my apartment |
| 07:05.13 | coolbond | seems like they misplaced the needed quest in vashjir to mount hyjal |
| 07:05.33 | Raws | nutella on laser |
| 07:06.05 | starspun | Uh what, coolbond? Vashj'ir to Mount Hyjal? |
| 07:06.30 | coolbond | for the achivement |
| 07:07.20 | starspun | Umm. There is no "Vashj'ir to Mount Hyjal" quest. @_@ They removed a lot of quest for the Vashj'ir quests completed achievement, but they didn't reduce the number of quests required for it |
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| 07:08.13 | coolbond | oh and btw do you guys think its a kinda bad that a tank one handed weapon is the only kind of 1h weapon with strength on it or have i missed something |
| 07:08.28 | g0urra | :3 |
| 07:08.35 | g0urra | morning |
| 07:09.56 | Mr_Rabies | i think only tank 1 handers have str now coolbond, more or less, not much of a reason for them to otherwise |
| 07:10.48 | g0urra | coolbond: http://www.wowhead.com/items=2?filter=sl=13;minrl=80;maxrl=85;cr=82:20:45:46;crs=2:1:3:3;crv=40001:0:0:0 |
| 07:16.45 | coolbond | well strenght is a better stat for frost dk than agility |
| 07:18.11 | starspun | coolbond, look at the link g0urra just pasted. There's non-tanky one-handers with strength ;) |
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| 07:18.50 | coolbond | yea saw them¨ |
| 07:23.07 | Raws | Bah, lot of good these Ironforge Mountaineers are |
| 07:23.18 | Raws | They didn't do squat when I got jumped by some orcs |
| 07:25.29 | starspun | I'm so tired I'm seeing your o's as ø's |
| 07:25.38 | starspun | Also your e's. |
| 07:25.40 | Raws | My ø's are o's |
| 07:25.57 | Raws | You're so tired you just think you're tired |
| 07:26.17 | starspun | Thøy didn't dø squat whøn I gøt jumpød by sømø ørcs |
| 07:26.39 | Raws | That's an interesting-sounding sentence |
| 07:29.08 | Owkkuri | hmmm jumpods |
| 07:29.20 | Owkkuri | suomo orcs |
| 07:29.22 | Owkkuri | :o |
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| 08:16.49 | Troxior | WHOA |
| 08:16.51 | Troxior | OWKKURI |
| 08:16.54 | Troxior | LAMEASS :p |
| 08:17.14 | Owkkuri | no u |
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| 08:22.49 | Mori-neko | *twitch* NotionInk blog just put up a graphic of the Adam, with screen saying "Pre-order NOW" |
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| 08:58.12 | Gary|tp | http://i.imgur.com/b22eK.gif |
| 08:58.13 | Gary|tp | genius |
| 09:00.09 | Astarael | So I'm topping up Herbalism in Northrend before I go to the new zones. Typical that I'm finding Frost Lotus on pretty much every node, only a week after it is no longer useful. |
| 09:01.09 | Owkkuri | Astarael: got skinning to 525 last night |
| 09:03.20 | Astarael | Skinning, the passive aggressive profession of vegetarians everywhere. |
| 09:04.32 | Owkkuri | :D |
| 09:07.49 | Niadyth | i'm tempted to level a pacifist toon |
| 09:07.59 | Niadyth | just level from herbalism and mining |
| 09:08.00 | starspun | I'm doing that right now, Niadyth. |
| 09:08.06 | Niadyth | :D |
| 09:08.07 | Niadyth | nice |
| 09:08.17 | starspun | Also archaeology at 20. |
| 09:08.22 | starspun | (And exploration, durr) |
| 09:08.33 | Niadyth | would be hilarious to have a level 85 toon with 0 mob kills |
| 09:08.57 | starspun | I have 6 deaths and I'm level 3 :( |
| 09:09.05 | Niadyth | hmm |
| 09:09.08 | Niadyth | interesting |
| 09:09.11 | Niadyth | what class? |
| 09:09.16 | starspun | Rogue |
| 09:09.21 | Niadyth | good choice |
| 09:09.23 | starspun | Figure the stealth will come in handy :P |
| 09:09.27 | Niadyth | and vanish! |
| 09:09.41 | starspun | And that. |
| 09:09.44 | starspun | And sap. |
| 09:09.54 | starspun | And sprint. |
| 09:09.56 | Niadyth | sap doesn't work as a pacifist, imo |
| 09:10.08 | starspun | Pff, does. |
| 09:10.09 | Niadyth | you're beating the thing over the back of the head and knocking it unconscious |
| 09:10.17 | Niadyth | no WAY that's pacifist |
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| 09:11.09 | starspun | Ohfine you win. BUT YOU CAN'T DENY THAT IT'S NOT USEFUL REGARDLESS. :P |
| 09:11.20 | Niadyth | yes, useful |
| 09:11.20 | kroaken_ | heya |
| 09:11.27 | starspun | Er. Remove that "not"... I think. |
| 09:11.35 | starspun | I'm too tired for this. |
| 09:11.41 | kroaken_ | Where do you quest from 83 3 bars left to 84 ? |
| 09:12.22 | njoos | aw you touch my tralala |
| 09:12.58 | zerq | they should put in a pacifist achievement |
| 09:13.14 | zerq | if you get to level cap without killing anything |
| 09:14.29 | Niadyth | that would be a cool achievement, actually |
| 09:14.39 | Niadyth | i have a feeling, as a pacifist, you'd die a lot |
| 09:14.59 | zerq | depending on the class maybe |
| 09:15.06 | Niadyth | she's right about the rogue being a good toon to do it on, but personally I'd do it with a healer |
| 09:15.09 | zerq | you can generally run from anything though |
| 09:15.25 | Niadyth | exactly, heal yourself up, and kite until leashing kicks in |
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| 10:26.56 | Astarael | I must have smashed a few mirrors and trod on a few four leaf clovers, I'm so unlucky in this game. It's taken us almost an hour to finish Blackrock Caverns because of wipes, kicks, AFKs and random team failures. |
| 10:42.13 | Niadyth | ./comfort |
| 10:42.24 | Niadyth | BRC isn't exactly my favorite dungeon of the expansion |
| 10:42.38 | Niadyth | You been to vortex pinnacle yet? |
| 10:46.27 | Astarael | I'm only 82, I haven't really had time to go anywhere exciting. |
| 10:46.44 | Astarael | I just finished Hyjal recently and figured I'd stop by the local dungeon for that zone. Gonna do Vashj'ir later and ToT. |
| 10:47.00 | Astarael | Then... I have no idea. |
| 10:47.03 | Astarael | Deepholm? |
| 10:50.10 | njoos | Deepholm ye |
| 10:50.20 | njoos | skip vash'ir |
| 10:50.24 | njoos | you get more xp from deepholm |
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| 10:51.36 | many | wow. congrats to the liknk from the eu.battle.net site |
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| 10:52.26 | Niadyth | yeah, pretty nice isn't it |
| 10:54.37 | g0urra | Astarael: let me guess, you chain wipe on the armory boss |
| 10:54.50 | Astarael | Just one in him. |
| 10:54.57 | Astarael | Bad AoE pulls though. |
| 10:55.05 | g0urra | heh |
| 10:55.14 | Astarael | Luckily I'm a Mage, so I can Invis through most wipes. |
| 10:55.14 | g0urra | chain wiped on him last night |
| 10:55.34 | Astarael | Still annoying that I have to sit and wait for ten minutes every time because some guy can't find his way back though. |
| 10:56.05 | g0urra | after 5 wipes I yelled at the guild tank that she couldn't move the boss. she promptly left and another guild tank that was on vent took the spot |
| 10:56.14 | g0urra | we killed the boss shortly after |
| 10:56.44 | Astarael | Armory boss? As in the one with the flame pillar and the exploding Quicksilver armor? |
| 10:56.52 | g0urra | yes. |
| 10:57.24 | Astarael | I still shit my pants when we get to five stacks. |
| 10:57.27 | Astarael | This is on normal, too. |
| 10:57.59 | g0urra | heh |
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| 11:07.38 | djane2 | lo |
| 11:08.21 | Owkkuri | hi djane2 |
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| 11:11.49 | djane2 | how be |
| 11:12.51 | Owkkuri | bee fine |
| 11:15.36 | Niadyth | o hai |
| 11:16.08 | djane2 | lo |
| 11:16.37 | djane2 | go eat nia |
| 11:16.46 | Niadyth | yeah yeah, can't till 12 |
| 11:17.16 | Niadyth | just got a call about a last minute advert placement, the magazine goes to print at 12, and they call me at 11:10 |
| 11:17.18 | djane2 | order in! |
| 11:17.21 | Niadyth | so like |
| 11:17.24 | Niadyth | ffffffffffffffffffffffff |
| 11:17.28 | Niadyth | artwork needs doing |
| 11:17.32 | djane2 | ...fffffgf |
| 11:17.54 | Niadyth | to be fair, it's the cheapest advert we'll ever place |
| 11:18.00 | Niadyth | but it's a *little* short notice |
| 11:18.17 | djane2 | just a bit |
| 11:18.52 | djane2 | that was a good fry up |
| 11:19.25 | Niadyth | mmmmmm |
| 11:19.27 | Niadyth | fry up |
| 11:19.34 | Niadyth | i'm tempted to order dominos to the office :D |
| 11:19.34 | djane2 | quite |
| 11:19.56 | djane2 | .. I want a fry up pizza |
| 11:20.04 | Niadyth | .... |
| 11:20.21 | djane2 | ...yeah. |
| 11:20.23 | Niadyth | i can't decide if that'd be awesome or terrible |
| 11:20.29 | djane2 | both |
| 11:21.18 | djane2 | next time I stay at yours, deal? |
| 11:21.22 | Niadyth | when my kitchen is finished, yeah :D |
| 11:22.04 | djane2 | any room for sofa crashing at the place BTW? |
| 11:22.34 | Niadyth | of course! |
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| 11:22.43 | djane2 | sexy |
| 11:22.44 | Niadyth | you know my sofa, it's huge and comfy |
| 11:22.58 | djane2 | just like robo |
| 11:23.08 | Niadyth | :D |
| 11:23.46 | robokitty | meows |
| 11:24.08 | Niadyth | heya robo |
| 11:24.08 | djane2 | ok. walking home now. 20 minutes till levelling |
| 11:24.16 | Niadyth | awesome |
| 11:24.19 | Niadyth | ./jealous |
| 11:24.26 | robokitty | :O |
| 11:24.36 | robokitty | coming up on 83 or something? |
| 11:24.43 | djane2 | heh. I got a 2 day suspension by accident |
| 11:24.49 | Niadyth | whut? |
| 11:24.53 | robokitty | o_O |
| 11:24.59 | djane2 | got 83 last night robo |
| 11:25.02 | robokitty | oh |
| 11:25.12 | robokitty | gimme a shout if you want to do HoO |
| 11:25.18 | Niadyth | how did you get a 2 day suspension? |
| 11:25.23 | djane2 | not in wow in my day activity |
| 11:25.27 | Niadyth | oooh right |
| 11:25.30 | robokitty | D: |
| 11:25.43 | djane2 | snicker |
| 11:25.49 | Niadyth | i expect funny stories! |
| 11:26.12 | djane2 | more stupid and depressing, alas |
| 11:26.19 | Niadyth | ahh |
| 11:26.27 | djane2 | quite |
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| 11:27.03 | djane2 | prot. people frown on 3 hour jogs when you have a fever |
| 11:27.09 | robokitty | nooo |
| 11:27.12 | robokitty | â¢Fishing skill gains were increasing too rapidly past 500 skill and have been adjusted. |
| 11:27.20 | djane2 | protip |
| 11:27.26 | djane2 | robo, quite |
| 11:27.50 | Niadyth | lololololol |
| 11:27.53 | Niadyth | :D |
| 11:28.09 | Niadyth | you went on a 3 hour jog.... with a fever? |
| 11:28.15 | djane2 | yeah... |
| 11:28.28 | Niadyth | smrt |
| 11:29.04 | djane2 | doing stupid things without thinking about them is a djane speciality |
| 11:29.16 | Niadyth | s'ok, we've come to love it |
| 11:29.27 | Niadyth | at least you didn't charge the orb |
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| 11:31.09 | djane2 | I was trying to clear my head. got carried away |
| 11:31.09 | djane2 | on the other hand, dinton pastures is beautiful in winter |
| 11:31.58 | Niadyth | jogging IS a good idea for clearing your head, true |
| 11:33.46 | djane2 | :3 |
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| 11:47.45 | Niadyth | hah |
| 11:48.08 | djane2 | hmm? |
| 11:48.30 | Niadyth | initial contact was 11:10, since then I've set up an invoicing account, agreed a price, got the artwork ready and sent it off |
| 11:48.45 | Niadyth | i have never done advertising that quickly before, ever |
| 11:49.06 | Niadyth | and now, time for food |
| 11:49.09 | Niadyth | back in a bit |
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| 11:50.27 | djane2 | dangerous precedent. now people will think you're always ready and willing to be competent |
| 11:50.41 | Arkaen | djane2: MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE |
| 11:50.59 | djane2 | I ummm, yes? |
| 11:51.24 | djane2 | explaininate |
| 11:51.37 | Arkaen | i will explaininate the countryside, yes |
| 11:51.57 | Arkaen | djane2: YOUR |
| 11:52.01 | Arkaen | TRANSFORMERS |
| 11:52.02 | Arkaen | SHIRT |
| 11:52.14 | djane2 | yes. quite. |
| 11:52.32 | djane2 | but...why now? |
| 11:52.43 | Arkaen | djane2: Because I thought of it |
| 11:52.59 | Arkaen | Do not question the way I think 10 minutes after waking up |
| 11:53.03 | djane2 | djane in disguise |
| 11:53.21 | Arkaen | Huh |
| 11:53.37 | Arkaen | I just realized that Djane is sorta kinda like Djinn |
| 11:53.45 | Arkaen | Wooohoo word associations |
| 11:54.36 | djane2 | yes |
| 11:54.45 | Ashley_ | so anyone 85 yet |
| 11:54.53 | djane2 | you're like a puppy |
| 11:54.54 | Arkaen | Fewyn got realm first rogue on US Velen |
| 11:55.15 | Arkaen | I'm only 50%~ into 83 |
| 11:55.15 | djane2 | somebody give ark a bone |
| 11:55.27 | Arkaen | djane2: Nah I already have a bone |
| 11:55.31 | Ashley_ | i dinged 82 last night |
| 11:55.33 | Arkaen | My shaman uses it as a weapon! |
| 11:55.44 | Arkaen | Ashley_: Which zone did you start in? |
| 11:55.53 | Ashley_ | underwater one |
| 11:55.56 | Arkaen | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.05 | Ashley_ | why? |
| 11:56.07 | Arkaen | I like Hyjal more than Vashjir, I think |
| 11:56.13 | djane2 | I did 81 to 82 in uldum :3 |
| 11:56.15 | Arkaen | But mostly due to the lore badassery |
| 11:56.29 | Arkaen | djane2: Uldum is why I now associate djane with djinn, funnily enough |
| 11:56.52 | Ashley_ | i need to quest my mage to 85 and i think ill just random grind the pally |
| 11:56.59 | djane2 | djane the djinngenie |
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| 11:57.23 | Arkaen | I'm going to slow down leveling my DK |
| 11:57.30 | Arkaen | and only get the g exp daily stuff |
| 11:57.47 | Arkaen | I'd rather work on my alt on another realm, because Rexxar US |
| 11:57.56 | Arkaen | Is a lame, lame, terrible boring place |
| 11:57.58 | Djanezzz | RAWR |
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| 11:58.12 | Arkaen | Oh I get it now |
| 11:58.16 | Arkaen | Wait |
| 11:58.18 | Arkaen | no I don't |
| 11:58.39 | Arkaen | djane and djane2 must be lovers |
| 11:58.43 | Arkaen | 'TIS THE ONLY EXPLANATION |
| 11:58.51 | Djane | Hang on |
| 11:58.53 | Djane | murders his lover |
| 11:59.15 | Djane | Remote host is my second favourite assassin |
| 11:59.35 | Arkaen | My favorite assassin is LEEROY JENKINS |
| 12:00.03 | Djane | I think I just upset my girlfriend. |
| 12:00.21 | Djane | Shes christian and I mentioned I wanted to rewrite the bible by replacing all the main characters with robots. |
| 12:00.27 | Arkaen | D: |
| 12:00.31 | Djane | Because robot Jesus would be 100 times the badassery. |
| 12:00.36 | Arkaen | Djane: Tell her that they' |
| 12:00.40 | Arkaen | oh you already did |
| 12:00.44 | Arkaen | hum. |
| 12:01.10 | Arkaen | Djane: Tell her that Jesus would be shinier and have flashing lights that way |
| 12:01.21 | Arkaen | It'll fix everything |
| 12:01.45 | Djane | My response was "Yeah, ok. blasphamous, but mecha battles." |
| 12:01.51 | Arkaen | Hah |
| 12:02.06 | Arkaen | MOSES VS THE RED SEA |
| 12:02.06 | Arkaen | GO |
| 12:03.11 | Arkaen | Anyways I am going to go o o o o o o :< |
| 12:03.39 | Djane | Arkaen, NOT HELPING |
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| 12:19.13 | Mowsey | lol Djane |
| 12:19.14 | many | "If this is your character, you can use the wowhead client to track your $1" (in german only, english seems to substitute correctly) |
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| 12:24.23 | Owkkuri | $ curl http://www.bash.org/?104383 |
| 12:24.24 | Owkkuri | curl: (7) couldn't connect to host |
| 12:24.31 | Owkkuri | dies a little inside |
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| 12:29.24 | Disperse | Anyone else having major fps drops in like Lost City.. the higher 5mans? |
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| 12:49.51 | nudave | is there a portal in uldum to org? |
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| 12:56.30 | Jolt | RAWR |
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| 12:57.28 | *** mode/#wowhead [+v Noxy] by ChanServ |
| 12:57.40 | Owkkuri | Noxy: :D |
| 12:57.54 | Noxy | morning |
| 12:58.08 | Jolt | Morning all |
| 12:58.14 | Jolt | finally i feel allright again |
| 12:58.14 | Djane | Morning Noxness. |
| 12:58.20 | Jolt | does a dance |
| 12:58.26 | Jolt | oh yeah say morning to noxy and not to me! |
| 12:58.27 | Jolt | mean! |
| 12:58.40 | Djane | Good afternoon Joltalon |
| 12:58.44 | Jolt | Yay :D |
| 12:58.46 | Jolt | morning :( |
| 12:58.48 | Jolt | I just woke up! |
| 12:58.50 | robokitty | hops on Noxy and meows |
| 12:58.55 | Djane | are you ugting me? |
| 12:59.16 | Jolt | wut :d? |
| 12:59.17 | robokitty | D: |
| 12:59.19 | Djane | Quite. |
| 12:59.20 | robokitty | ~ugt |
| 12:59.20 | infobot | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 12:59.25 | Noxy | nibbles robokitty |
| 12:59.29 | robokitty | :3 |
| 12:59.34 | Jolt | hai robokitty |
| 12:59.39 | robokitty | time to start the second 80-85 run :x |
| 12:59.52 | robokitty | and hai Joltkitty |
| 13:00.12 | Jolt | i need a nice owl spec for 80 - 85 -_- |
| 13:00.29 | robokitty | btw, did anyone ever find out when your guild reputation cap resets? |
| 13:00.38 | Jolt | anyone :d? |
| 13:00.50 | Noxy | Look in Owkkuri's pants. |
| 13:01.04 | Owkkuri | >.> |
| 13:01.11 | joltkitty | XD |
| 13:01.11 | Owkkuri | it bites :< |
| 13:01.11 | robokitty | guild xp is on a daily cap, but guild reputation is on a weekly cap :[ |
| 13:01.28 | Noxy | hell i'd do it without a reason, hes pretty attractive. |
| 13:01.53 | robokitty | :| |
| 15:32.05 | *** join/#wowhead infobot (~infobot@rikers.org) |
| 15:32.05 | *** topic/#wowhead is Welcome to the official Wowhead channel - IRC rules/stats at http://www.wowhead.com/irc - Update your wowhead client pls .. kkthx http://www.wowhead.com/client |
| 15:36.01 | ari5av | http://i.imgur.com/xBAv7.png |
| 15:37.20 | hylje | ~pony |
| 15:37.21 | infobot | clippity clippity clippity clippity cloppity clop |
| 15:37.37 | wink | wow |
| 15:37.39 | robokitty | :| |
| 15:37.45 | wink | I wonder with what tool that flowchart was done |
| 15:37.47 | wink | looks smooth |
| 15:37.47 | Mowsey | X.X |
| 15:38.28 | wink | ari5av: why the hummus hate on there? :P I first heard about it from a friend visiting israel... |
| 15:38.48 | joltkitty | man i am so bored |
| 15:38.55 | joltkitty | cant get into wow |
| 15:38.56 | joltkitty | at all |
| 15:39.00 | joltkitty | ~jolt |
| 15:39.00 | infobot | from memory, jolt is a pony |
| 15:39.04 | joltkitty | XD |
| 15:39.11 | joltkitty | ~robokitty |
| 15:39.20 | hylje | like half of israelis are arabs |
| 15:39.26 | joltkitty | bites MaienM |
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| 15:39.54 | Kingcocomango | hello |
| 15:40.01 | Kingcocomango | i beleive omegle hates me |
| 15:40.04 | hylje | hi |
| 15:40.08 | hylje | try chatroulette |
| 15:40.15 | Kingcocomango | bye alllowing me to watch all the assholes and mastubaters |
| 15:40.24 | Kingcocomango | but all the decent people disconnect |
| 15:43.16 | Mowsey | decent people = females? |
| 15:43.55 | Kingcocomango | no |
| 15:44.00 | Kingcocomango | non-masturbaters |
| 15:44.02 | hylje | young boys |
| 15:44.04 | Kingcocomango | and non-punks |
| 15:44.17 | Kingcocomango | i met lots of god people on it before |
| 15:44.30 | Kingcocomango | also,chat roulettesw being evil |
| 15:44.35 | Kingcocomango | i can see peoples videos |
| 15:44.40 | Kingcocomango | but i cant see what they type |
| 15:53.11 | MaienM | tickles jolt |
| 15:53.20 | joltkitty | eek! |
| 15:53.35 | joltkitty | whys! |
| 15:53.44 | hylje | you like tickles |
| 15:53.46 | hylje | you are a pony |
| 15:54.33 | joltkitty | i am a kitteh! |
| 15:54.35 | joltkitty | infobot is wrong! |
| 15:54.44 | hylje | ~jolt |
| 15:54.44 | infobot | it has been said that jolt is a pony |
| 15:54.47 | joltkitty | :( |
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| 15:59.46 | joltkitty | haaai poeticdragon |
| 16:02.21 | robokitty | hai poe |
| 16:03.09 | joltkitty | wooh wooh 217 min |
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| 16:03.50 | MaienM | cause you bited me, that's why |
| 16:06.43 | Noxy | derp |
| 16:07.04 | joltkitty | sob |
| 16:07.11 | joltkitty | Noxy: Maien tickled me :( |
| 16:07.26 | Noxy | Where? your butt? |
| 16:07.30 | MaienM | tickles jolt again |
| 16:07.48 | joltkitty | don't know! |
| 16:08.00 | joltkitty | That's why IRC tickles are so scary |
| 16:08.08 | MaienM | no, not his butt :/ |
| 16:10.21 | joltkitty | i swear |
| 16:10.25 | joltkitty | i wont be playing wow today |
| 16:13.53 | Deruweid | maybe this will cheer you up joltkitty. Doubel dream hands! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm7yAWpX1Mc |
| 16:14.50 | Glar | lol jolt |
| 16:15.03 | Glar | just use your imagination and imagine the tickle where you want it |
| 16:17.02 | joltkitty | Deruweid: wtf :o |
| 16:17.12 | joltkitty | Glar: XD nice idea. |
| 16:17.13 | Deruweid | LOL |
| 16:17.26 | Deruweid | its like a train wreck. You dont want to watch it, but you cant stop... |
| 16:18.27 | Deruweid | transformers 3 trailer if anything is interested - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYUDnHPEl4I |
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| 16:33.11 | Nedrae | morning |
| 16:33.33 | robokitty | oh GOD |
| 16:33.40 | g0urra | :3 |
| 16:33.46 | hylje | notes that Nedrae is robokitty's god |
| 16:33.49 | robokitty | Magical Crawdad off the first use of the first Mr Pinchy I caught xD |
| 16:33.57 | Nedrae | <.< |
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| 16:38.43 | Kingcocomango | All countries around the world want to be like America, and with good reason. It's the best nation and offers more opportunities than any place on earth. It's hard to have a slice of the good life in a third world h3ll-h0le like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or Canada. |
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| 16:38.47 | Kingcocomango | quoted |
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| 16:39.00 | Kingcocomango | all i could think of is WTF |
| 16:39.51 | joltkitty | lol. |
| 16:39.57 | Deruweid | lol canada is a third world hell hole now? |
| 16:39.59 | joltkitty | American propoganda. |
| 16:40.05 | hylje | Deruweid: whoosh |
| 16:40.34 | Kingcocomango | as saudi is |
| 16:40.41 | Kingcocomango | i dont about iraq ,havent visited it |
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| 16:45.13 | Mowsey | lol what |
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| 16:46.01 | Mowsey | vomits on #wowhead |
| 16:46.05 | Mowsey | sorry :| |
| 16:46.28 | Raws | Oh my god it worked |
| 16:46.38 | Raws | https://gist.github.com/734954 |
| 16:46.39 | Mowsey | you put ipecac in my cereal? |
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| 16:46.43 | Mowsey | oh |
| 16:46.51 | Mowsey | must've been robo or jolt then |
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| 16:47.15 | Mowsey | lol wtf Raws |
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| 16:49.59 | Kingcocomango | raws how does that work? |
| 16:50.29 | Raws | /usr/bin/say is a text-to-speech utility in OS X |
| 16:50.53 | Raws | You can use it to make your computer speak things aloud |
| 16:51.25 | Mowsey | say -v cellos droid |
| 16:51.26 | Raws | My friend gave me SSH access to a computer in his apartment to do some testing |
| 16:51.32 | Raws | lolo Mowsey |
| 16:51.52 | Kingcocomango | whats ssh? |
| 16:51.52 | Mowsey | these bulk oreos are inferior to regular oreos |
| 16:51.57 | Mowsey | even though they're regular oreo brand :/ |
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| 16:52.17 | Raws | Kingcocomango: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell |
| 16:52.43 | Kingcocomango | okay |
| 16:52.46 | Mowsey | "My mom knows I sometimes wear girl's clothes, and date a lot of transsexuals. But, that's about it. :P" |
| 16:52.48 | Mowsey | "I think, at most, my mother would shrug and not care. I mean, she once had a conversation with me about dildos. Not, like, "guys shouldn't use them", but more, "this is why this brand is great!"" |
| 16:52.53 | Mowsey | I wonder about my friends somtimes |
| 16:52.59 | Raws | welp |
| 16:53.20 | Kingcocomango | isnt os x an old os? |
| 16:53.31 | Mowsey | os x = new mac os |
| 16:53.31 | Raws | No :P |
| 16:53.43 | Raws | Also, http://ross.fappett.com/audio/whisper.mp3 |
| 16:54.00 | joltkitty | Hahha |
| 16:54.03 | joltkitty | that's fucking scary |
| 16:54.17 | Mowsey | oh shit |
| 16:54.25 | Mowsey | Raws, show me how to do that, I wanna creep out my dad : |
| 16:54.27 | Mowsey | :/ |
| 16:54.53 | Kingcocomango | please do |
| 16:55.03 | Raws | man say, Mowsey |
| 16:55.10 | Mowsey | I know how to do say |
| 16:55.13 | Mowsey | I mean the ssh stuff |
| 16:55.18 | Raws | ssh user@host :P |
| 16:55.50 | Mowsey | I think I'm too dum for this |
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| 16:56.28 | Noxy | Creepy. |
| 16:59.33 | Raws | Damnit |
| 16:59.40 | Raws | Has any male ever figured out how to fold elastic bed sheets |
| 16:59.45 | Raws | Screw these things |
| 16:59.49 | Raws | Why do they exist and how do they work |
| 17:01.07 | MaienM | to mess with our heads, quite well, it seems |
| 17:01.15 | Nathrakh | :o |
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| 17:02.10 | Raws | I don't even know why I have more than one set of sheets |
| 17:02.18 | Raws | If I only had one, I wouldn't need to fold sheets in the first place |
| 17:02.24 | Raws | I'd just put them right back on my bed |
| 17:02.50 | Raws | I think that was an epiphany |
| 17:03.11 | Raws | WHOA |
| 17:03.18 | Raws | What ifâ¦Â you put all of your sheets on your bed at once |
| 17:03.30 | Raws | Then when one set gets dirty, you just rip 'em off and BAM, there's a fresh set waiting for you |
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| 17:03.55 | Mori-neko | Because dirty soaks down through sheets |
| 17:04.19 | Raws | Not if your sheets are made out of plastic |
| 17:04.21 | Mowsey | put disposable sheets between each layer |
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| 17:07.02 | Raws | Speaking of men doing manly things, it's time to vacuum and clean the bathroom |
| 17:07.12 | hylje | ooh the testosteron |
| 17:07.21 | Deruweid | only many if you are wearing tights |
| 17:07.51 | Kensaki | Niadyth you little bitch. I even said I'm sorry for daring to say I wanted to sell the blue 346 item i found on that rare i killed soolo |
| 17:08.01 | Mowsey | o_o |
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| 17:08.10 | Kensaki | go fuck yourself with a shi |
| 17:08.15 | Kensaki | go fuck yourself with a shot gun |
| 17:08.17 | Kensaki | whore |
| 17:08.23 | [1]Kingcocomango | wow |
| 17:08.28 | Kensaki | ok now that that's out of my system |
| 17:08.36 | hylje | Kensaki: common typo? |
| 17:09.13 | Raws | Games and drama: made for each other |
| 17:09.27 | Kensaki | the bitch got me thrown out of guild cause i didnt want to give her an blue i found for her offspec |
| 17:09.53 | Kensaki | note ive given about every cloth herb and item ive gotten to 85 to the guild |
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| 17:10.21 | Kensaki | apparently wanting to sell an item on the ah to actually make some personal gold is a crime |
| 17:10.44 | hylje | you're probably on the wrong here |
| 17:11.02 | Kensaki | i want to be wrong |
| 17:11.02 | hylje | stop trying to manipulate us with one-sided information |
| 17:11.21 | Kensaki | but suddenly shes ignoring me and then im kicked |
| 17:11.31 | Kensaki | fuck you |
| 17:11.36 | robokitty | </3 |
| 17:11.58 | Djane | Whilst I appreciate your frustration and upset, I did state very clearly that it wasn't anything specific, it certainly wasn't that since I had no knowledge of such and I'd appreciate you keep such things out of public channels. |
| 17:12.01 | Kingcocomango | first of all,if you were expected to give everything to the guild bank |
| 17:12.06 | Kingcocomango | you probably had bank acess |
| 17:12.11 | Kingcocomango | and could get what you need |
| 17:12.16 | Kingcocomango | and so didnt need much gold |
| 17:12.22 | Kensaki | nope |
| 17:12.23 | Kingcocomango | especially if it was a large guide |
| 17:12.32 | Kingcocomango | so you had to give everything to the guild |
| 17:12.33 | Kensaki | i didnt have bank access |
| 17:12.37 | Kingcocomango | and had no bank acess? |
| 17:12.40 | Kingcocomango | i dont beleive you |
| 17:12.48 | Kingcocomango | when i was a newb i had bank acess |
| 17:12.51 | Zicon | There was no "had to" involved. |
| 17:13.06 | Kensaki | i didnt but i wanted to help people get their proofs and stuff up |
| 17:13.19 | Kensaki | im a pretty generous guy normally |
| 17:13.20 | Kingcocomango | if you wanted money |
| 17:13.24 | Kingcocomango | then keep those |
| 17:13.28 | Djane | And it should be noted those items are being returned to you. |
| 17:13.30 | Kingcocomango | but give rare drops to the guild |
| 17:13.40 | Djane | Since it's not working out |
| 17:14.13 | Kingcocomango | were djane and zicon and kensaki in the same guild? |
| 17:14.23 | Djane | Kingcocomango, Zicon and I run the guild. |
| 17:15.09 | Kensaki | well have fun hope you had some fun at my expense |
| 17:15.11 | hylje | sounds like a perfect conclusion to this drama |
| 17:15.48 | JunkHead | Hey Djane |
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| 17:15.51 | JunkHead | Got a sec? |
| 17:15.52 | Djane | Heya JunkHead |
| 17:15.53 | Djane | Sure |
| 17:16.00 | JunkHead | Lvl 85 Arcane Spec. |
| 17:16.06 | Djane | Ahh i'll whip one up |
| 17:16.10 | JunkHead | I'm lvl 84 and got 2 points I can spend. |
| 17:16.12 | Zicon | Fun? Jeez. No, I'm not even going to comment on it. |
| 17:16.22 | JunkHead | I'm thinking the pushback talent in fire? |
| 17:16.22 | Djane | JunkHead, gotcha |
| 17:16.36 | Djane | Likely, yes. |
| 17:16.40 | Djane | Pushback protection is <3 |
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| 17:16.47 | [1]Kingcocomango | this time i dced |
| 17:17.06 | JunkHead | http://www.wowhead.com/talent#obIMrRhorRRobZc |
| 17:17.08 | JunkHead | This is me now. |
| 17:17.10 | [1]Kingcocomango | was the blue drop worth it? |
| 17:17.23 | JunkHead | err |
| 17:17.35 | Djane | Kingcocomango, the blue drop has been returned. |
| 17:17.36 | JunkHead | http://www.wowhead.com/talent#ohIMrRhorRRobZc <-- correction |
| 17:17.53 | Djane | Ahh ij |
| 17:17.54 | Djane | ok |
| 17:18.04 | Djane | JunkHead, hmmm |
| 17:18.06 | JunkHead | But if I put 2 into puchback, where would my last point go? |
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| 17:18.14 | Djane | Personally I would drop prismatic cloak |
| 17:18.15 | [1]Kingcocomango | wait returned to who? |
| 17:18.21 | Djane | Then take improved polymorph and invocation |
| 17:18.21 | [1]Kingcocomango | i thought he didnt hand it over? |
| 17:18.35 | JunkHead | I use invis a lot when I get into crazy respawns. |
| 17:18.45 | Djane | JunkHead, sure enough but at 85 you won't ever use it |
| 17:18.52 | JunkHead | Ok I can see that. |
| 17:19.01 | Djane | Right now for levelling, invocation |
| 17:19.03 | Zicon | kingcocomango: He did. So it was returned, along with other items (or gold equivalent), and all gold given. |
| 17:19.08 | Djane | Or improved counterspell. |
| 17:19.17 | robokitty | except when you're doing Tol Barad dailies |
| 17:19.23 | robokitty | because omg respawn rate |
| 17:19.29 | Djane | robokitty, that's what protadins are for <3 |
| 17:19.29 | Kensaki | i didnt know about the policy about blues cause it was never explained to me |
| 17:19.34 | robokitty | erh |
| 17:19.36 | robokitty | not these mobs |
| 17:19.46 | Djane | There's something paladins can't do? :| |
| 17:20.03 | Zicon | kensaki: There is no policy beyond "don't be a dick." |
| 17:20.03 | Mowsey | PALADINS SUX |
| 17:20.08 | robokitty | caster mobs mixed with melee mobs :P |
| 17:20.08 | Mowsey | sets paladins on fire |
| 17:20.18 | JunkHead | http://www.wowhead.com/talent#ohIrrRMorRRobbZc <-- So this at 85? |
| 17:20.22 | Djane | robokitty, that's what grand crusadered avengers shield is for! |
| 17:20.30 | Djane | But fair enough :p |
| 17:20.32 | Kensaki | Zicon wanting to sell a blue on action house is being a dick? |
| 17:20.39 | Kingcocomango | so he handed it over,after acting badly? |
| 17:20.47 | Kensaki | and said sorry |
| 17:20.48 | Djane | JunkHead, Yeah. That's what I would take. |
| 17:20.48 | hylje | stop the drama |
| 17:20.53 | Kensaki | several times |
| 17:20.54 | JunkHead | Ok. |
| 17:21.04 | Djane | Kensaki, and as I clearly stated, that incident was not the reasoning behind this. |
| 17:21.19 | hylje | GM judgement is final, even if you can convince him it will never be the same |
| 17:21.24 | Djane | Wait, no. |
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| 17:21.27 | fewyn | there's supposed to be a portal from hyjal to stormwind, where the fuck is it exactly? |
| 17:21.28 | Djane | JunkHead, you won't ever use fire blast. |
| 17:21.32 | Kensaki | tell me why niadyth ignored me then after that incident if it wasn't the cause? |
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| 17:21.39 | JunkHead | oops |
| 17:21.41 | Kensaki | well fuck it i dont care |
| 17:21.43 | JunkHead | I misclicked |
| 17:21.47 | Djane | Fair <3 |
| 17:21.48 | JunkHead | I meant the pushback talent |
| 17:21.54 | drama | good afternoon all |
| 17:22.05 | Kingcocomango | wait drama |
| 17:22.07 | hylje | dramu |
| 17:22.10 | Kingcocomango | the dramas not over |
| 17:23.01 | Zicon | kensaki: You are being amusingly loud for not caring. |
| 17:23.19 | drama | so im making my first priest and i just started play wow can i get some starter help??? |
| 17:23.23 | Kensaki | well i was pissed now im over it |
| 17:23.24 | hylje | Zicon: why would you stir him more |
| 17:23.40 | hylje | just get over it |
| 17:24.25 | Kingcocomango | see i told you,more drama |
| 17:24.33 | Kensaki | nope |
| 17:24.34 | Zicon | giggles. |
| 17:24.51 | Kensaki | he and his guild can laugh all they want at me |
| 17:24.56 | hylje | but not here |
| 17:25.22 | Djane | Kensaki, for reference. zicon is female, I am male. Niadyth is male. |
| 17:25.27 | Zicon | kensaki: The only thing we'll be laughing over is how you decided to throw a fit over it. Charming, really, but proves that we made the right decision. |
| 17:25.37 | hylje | hey fuck you two |
| 17:25.58 | hylje | drama: i don't think there's any gotchas in getting started, particularly with cata's changes |
| 17:26.08 | Disperse | 3mill XP to go >.< |
| 17:26.19 | joltkitty | Grr |
| 17:26.21 | hylje | just hop in, look up quests when you're stuck, start worrying about things at 85 |
| 17:26.56 | Zicon | drama: Learn to not stand in the fire, and you're already ahead of the curve. ;) |
| 17:27.11 | drama | lol i got that down |
| 17:27.35 | hylje | there's sure lots of things to learn but most of that is frivolous |
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| 17:28.37 | Kensaki | zicon love you too. |
| 17:28.45 | Raws | http://hey.czechmyjugs.com/get/Screen_shot_2010-12-09_at_12.28_.22_PM_.png |
| 17:29.14 | hylje | mofn |
| 17:30.16 | Kingcocomango | copy pasta me what i missed please |
| 17:30.24 | Kingcocomango | from just hop in look up quests |
| 17:30.29 | Kingcocomango | pleeease |
| 17:31.08 | Mowsey | hooked on fawnix |
| 17:31.22 | hylje | not muchh |
| 17:33.22 | Kensaki | normals on 85 can still be done the wrathtard way |
| 17:33.29 | Kensaki | but your healer will hate you |
| 17:33.47 | hylje | he's healer |
| 17:34.05 | Kensaki | ok then i feel sorry for him >< |
| 17:34.48 | Kensaki | most people haven't learned what cc is nor how to move from bad stuff. |
| 17:35.34 | Kensaki | but if you use cc and people are intelligent they are pretty easy |
| 17:35.45 | panoukla | cc?? |
| 17:35.48 | panoukla | never heard of it |
| 17:35.55 | joltkitty | you're from wrath-era right? |
| 17:36.02 | panoukla | im kidding... |
| 17:36.05 | joltkitty | k ;P |
| 17:36.12 | panoukla | :) |
| 17:36.36 | joltkitty | Mowsey: Like my naming on the mage? |
| 17:36.49 | Raws | This is extremely awesome http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/09/video-gt5-physics-are-completely-realistic/ |
| 17:36.51 | Mowsey | what name |
| 17:36.54 | joltkitty | Willsmage |
| 17:36.56 | joltkitty | XD |
| 17:37.00 | Mowsey | oh yeah, lol |
| 17:37.05 | Mowsey | isn't claire a gnome? O: |
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| 17:37.23 | poeticdragon | Yes ... ? |
| 17:37.25 | hylje | gnome |
| 17:37.33 | poeticdragon | Why does that get a "O:" |
| 17:37.34 | hylje | ⦠|
| 17:37.43 | hylje | ಠ_ಠ|
| 17:37.54 | Mowsey | I thought you hated em :/ |
| 17:37.55 | joltkitty | haha claire is a gnomey yes yes :D |
| 17:38.12 | poeticdragon | I hate many things. |
| 17:38.19 | Mowsey | lol Raws |
| 17:38.28 | joltkitty | gnomeys? |
| 17:38.35 | joltkitty | i wish i could play right now |
| 17:38.36 | joltkitty | but cant |
| 17:38.39 | joltkitty | gotta write |
| 17:38.39 | joltkitty | :( |
| 17:38.41 | joltkitty | my essay |
| 17:38.46 | joltkitty | why i am here i don't know"! |
| 17:38.51 | poeticdragon | But in specific, its males playing female gnomes (aka pedophiles) or *anyone* playing male gnomes (because they're just repulsive). |
| 17:38.56 | joltkitty | XD |
| 17:39.09 | poeticdragon | Females can play female gnomes. |
| 17:39.10 | joltkitty | atleast i chosed a male gnome ;P |
| 17:39.15 | Kensaki | lol |
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| 17:39.41 | Kingcocomango | http://openprocessing.org/visuals/?visualID=323 |
| 17:39.45 | Kingcocomango | is super fun |
| 17:39.48 | Kensaki | poeticdragon: so males who paly male gnomes can't be podephiles? |
| 17:39.49 | Kingcocomango | to make it better |
| 17:39.57 | Kingcocomango | hold the click until it turns to dust |
| 17:39.59 | Kensaki | *pedophiles |
| 17:40.02 | Kingcocomango | it more fun than a line |
| 17:40.27 | poeticdragon | THey could be, but it has nothing to do with their character choices, since male gnomes don't look like prepubescant children, just creepy uncle midgets. |
| 17:40.35 | Kensaki | true |
| 17:40.42 | joltkitty | uncle midgets XD |
| 17:40.49 | poeticdragon | CREEPY uncle midgets. |
| 17:40.58 | joltkitty | *hides* |
| 17:41.02 | poeticdragon | With their fat, stubby hands |
| 17:41.04 | Kensaki | male gnomes look like they want to touch you in bad places though |
| 17:41.09 | poeticdragon | THey do. |
| 17:41.12 | poeticdragon | Hence creepy uncle. |
| 17:41.55 | Mowsey | :S |
| 17:42.02 | Mowsey | shudders |
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| 17:49.31 | joltkitty | I want moose pets in wow |
| 17:50.48 | Limbero | woo, Frostmane EU 3000 people in the queue |
| 17:50.52 | Limbero | getting my US on |
| 17:51.32 | MaienM | Outland EU is at 3500, I hear |
| 17:51.51 | MaienM | I've seen it hit 4k myself yesterday D: |
| 17:52.58 | joltkitty | wait |
| 17:53.01 | joltkitty | since.. |
| 17:53.09 | joltkitty | when did Limbero play on Frostmane? |
| 17:53.10 | joltkitty | WHAT THE F?! |
| 17:53.17 | joltkitty | and you didnt tell me :(? |
| 17:53.19 | Limbero | since Cata |
| 17:53.22 | joltkitty | LIES |
| 17:53.28 | joltkitty | Horde? |
| 17:53.30 | joltkitty | please |
| 17:53.31 | joltkitty | horde |
| 17:53.39 | Limbero | Alliance |
| 17:53.45 | joltkitty | lame |
| 17:54.01 | MaienM | yay!! :D |
| 17:54.06 | JunkHead | I'm finalyl getting to do BRC. |
| 17:54.48 | Mowsey | FAT WHITE LUMP |
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| 17:59.58 | Raws | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0f7Muu8izqA/TQAhsO9dB5I/AAAAAAAACoU/lboQH75IxIs/s1600/BRIANROOKERNicCage_as_TheA-Team.jpg |
| 18:01.40 | booths | I alt tab back to IRC and see that from Raws. |
| 18:01.43 | booths | I should expect no less. |
| 18:02.24 | fewyn | morning #wowhead |
| 18:02.36 | Raws | Holla at my fewyns |
| 18:02.53 | Raws | And my booths |
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| 18:03.06 | Niadyth | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening |
| 18:03.16 | booths | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.25 | Raws | And my Niadyths |
| 18:04.24 | *** join/#wowhead hylje (~hylje@77-105-90-131.lpok.fi) |
| 18:04.32 | Niadyth | ello Raws |
| 18:06.24 | hylje | hi |
| 18:06.25 | g0urra | [19:05:42] Horde Negotiator says: This is madness! |
| 18:06.25 | g0urra | [19:05:43] Warchief Mor'ghor says: This is... |
| 18:06.25 | g0urra | [19:05:44] Warchief Mor'ghor yells: DRAGONMAW!! |
| 18:06.40 | hylje | dragonmaw are sparta, okay |
| 18:06.51 | hylje | they better be an army disguised as a city state |
| 18:07.18 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] News Roundup: Ghostcrawler Blogs About Stats, Social Warcraft and Community Site 3D Models - http://www.wowhead.com/blog=176346/news-roundup-ghostcrawler-blogs-about-stats-social-warcraft-and-community-site-3 |
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| 18:10.55 | Raws | http://www.thecoolhunter.net/images/shinsut5.jpg |
| 18:13.13 | fewyn | hrm |
| 18:13.19 | fewyn | what dk spec should i use for leveling? |
| 18:13.21 | fewyn | suggestions? |
| 18:13.46 | Kensaki | frost is very nice in my experience |
| 18:13.56 | Kensaki | 2h frost is what i'd suggest |
| 18:14.46 | fewyn | so |
| 18:14.48 | fewyn | http://www.wowhead.com/talent#j0hZGcMMfuRzbu0b:mMamqcMc0 ? |
| 18:15.19 | fewyn | steals from t he SA forums |
| 18:15.53 | joltkitty | gasp! |
| 18:15.56 | joltkitty | you! |
| 18:16.05 | joltkitty | urgh i need a balance spec |
| 18:16.06 | joltkitty | :( |
| 18:16.36 | hylje | all you're going to get from SA are trolling specs |
| 18:16.37 | Kensaki | something like that yes fewyn |
| 18:17.26 | booths | back to leveling again fewyn? |
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| 18:19.02 | fewyn | i need to get a couple levels on my dk |
| 18:19.11 | fewyn | so i can mine safely |
| 18:19.16 | joltkitty | hehe |
| 18:19.29 | joltkitty | can you mail from a alliance char to a horde char yet? |
| 18:19.40 | joltkitty | on the same realm/account that is |
| 18:19.41 | fewyn | only voa items |
| 18:19.43 | fewyn | boa |
| 18:19.44 | joltkitty | aw |
| 18:19.45 | Mowsey | oh hey Raws |
| 18:19.49 | fewyn | afk |
| 18:19.50 | Mowsey | The application Finder.app can't be opened |
| 18:19.51 | Mowsey | -10810 |
| 18:19.53 | joltkitty | dang |
| 18:19.57 | Raws | o_O |
| 18:20.01 | Raws | Mowsey, you really are good at breaking things |
| 18:20.06 | Mowsey | fuck yeah |
| 18:20.15 | joltkitty | well a moose is kinda big |
| 18:20.22 | joltkitty | and yeah ;P |
| 18:20.26 | joltkitty | easy to break things |
| 18:22.12 | sygnous|mbp | moo |
| 18:22.32 | joltkitty | moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 18:23.20 | hylje | moose |
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| 18:25.27 | Mowsey | doot |
| 18:25.35 | Mowsey | ALL BETTAR |
| 18:27.16 | joltkitty | whadya do mowsey :D? |
| 18:27.35 | Mowsey | I spouted flames out my ass and keeled dose beetchez |
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| 18:27.50 | joltkitty | lol |
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| 18:30.38 | ari5av | i have three full days left of sick and personal time before it expires at the end of the year... what should I do with it? |
| 18:30.44 | robokitty | D: |
| 18:30.48 | sygnous|mbp | damn, this network sucks today |
| 18:31.06 | Kensaki | ari5av: relax and do nothing |
| 18:31.20 | djh- | ari5av: sex tourism in Thailand. |
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| 18:48.36 | MaienM | damn, server just dc-ed me D: |
| 18:48.50 | MaienM | luckily, the queue has shrunk to 200ish :D |
| 18:48.56 | joltkitty | lol |
| 18:49.17 | Raws | Do you play EU? |
| 18:49.31 | Raws | Because dang if there's a queue on US realms at 14:00 on Thursday |
| 18:49.41 | MaienM | yeah, I do |
| 18:50.26 | joltkitty | Maien is a silly eu player! |
| 18:51.00 | MaienM | I'm a silly EU person as well! |
| 18:51.26 | Raws | Guh buh |
| 18:51.46 | Raws | I've been trying to write a cover letter for the past two days, and haven't gotten anywhere with it |
| 18:51.54 | Raws | Writer's block is the worst |
| 18:52.11 | joltkitty | like i have now |
| 18:52.37 | joltkitty | I have had two weeks to write this essay but one of them i was sick in the bed |
| 18:52.41 | joltkitty | and now i have to return it on monday |
| 18:52.46 | Raws | Oof |
| 18:53.13 | joltkitty | pissed off on my self |
| 18:53.41 | joltkitty | Fever, Cold and migraine :( |
| 18:53.47 | joltkitty | the whole fuckin week |
| 18:53.48 | Raws | Aww |
| 18:53.52 | Raws | Muffin |
| 18:54.51 | joltkitty | :D |
| 18:55.30 | Raws | http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9hdtduqmH1qcivkio1_500.jpg |
| 18:56.05 | joltkitty | no workingz |
| 18:57.57 | ralc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUyNvLiPjng |
| 18:58.10 | Raws | I saw that yesterday |
| 18:58.12 | Raws | Wanna try it |
| 18:58.52 | joltkitty | Them crazy russians.. |
| 18:59.36 | joltkitty | sheesh |
| 18:59.54 | joltkitty | I'd never ever ever ever ever ever ever do that. |
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| 18:59.59 | ralc | wonder what went through her head on her way down |
| 19:00.04 | joltkitty | I was like pff that isnt so high then O.O |
| 19:00.14 | joltkitty | ralc: "I need some new friends" :d? |
| 19:00.34 | joltkitty | *saves that to favourites* |
| 19:00.58 | ralc | or something like "this it it" |
| 19:01.08 | ralc | "this is it"* |
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| 19:02.32 | joltkitty | lol yea |
| 19:03.50 | MaienM | @status EU outland |
| 19:03.58 | Raws | @realmstatus eu outland |
| 19:03.59 | [Wheaties] | EU Realm Status page down. Do not spam this command, be patient. |
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| 19:04.07 | MaienM | D: |
| 19:04.09 | Kroaken | what happened *? |
| 19:04.12 | Kroaken | to servers ? |
| 19:04.21 | MaienM | they went down, it seems :( |
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| 19:04.21 | Kroaken | :d |
| 19:04.31 | Kroaken | omg |
| 19:04.32 | Guest66231 | hack |
| 19:05.16 | Limbero | dicks |
| 19:05.24 | joltkitty | kicks |
| 19:05.24 | Raws | Yeah |
| 19:05.25 | Raws | Those |
| 19:05.26 | hylje | ducks |
| 19:05.31 | joltkitty | kucks |
| 19:05.50 | Guest66231 | phricks |
| 19:05.59 | kroaken_ | dicks |
| 19:06.08 | kroaken_ | pussys |
| 19:07.30 | kroaken_ | hmpff |
| 19:08.04 | Raws | http://hey.czechmyjugs.com/get/Screen_shot_2010-12-09_at_2.07_.36_PM_.png |
| 19:08.18 | MaienM | seems to be back up.... |
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| 19:10.16 | MaienM | the login servers anyway, not too sure about the world servers.... :/ |
| 19:10.19 | kroaken_ | no for me |
| 19:10.55 | Kensaki | argnt dawn had 2300 people in queue XD |
| 19:11.00 | Kensaki | *argent |
| 19:11.11 | kroaken_ | LOL |
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| 19:11.43 | booths | Raws: So wait. |
| 19:11.49 | booths | It says I'm not supposed to know what |
| 19:12.44 | Kensaki | seems login servers are under some pressure |
| 19:13.09 | MaienM | probably, yeah |
| 19:13.14 | Raws | booths: it is a mystery |
| 19:13.18 | MaienM | everyone is desparately trying to get on now |
| 19:13.21 | MaienM | at the same time |
| 19:16.32 | MaienM | I'm back in now, so it seems to be up again *crosses fingers* |
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| 19:19.34 | ari5av | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/09/wikiwecaps.html |
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| 19:28.54 | bladekitty | http://www.wowhead.com/items=4.4?filter=qu=3;minle=300;si=1;ub=2;cr=23;crs=3;crv=0;gm=4;rf=1;wt=22:45:46:117:170:21:119:20:41;wtv=100:85:85:80:80:80:55:40:10;gb=1 |
| 19:29.06 | bladekitty | looks like I have a satisfactory weight scale for myself |
| 19:29.26 | bladekitty | then again, I did round everything to the nearest five |
| 19:29.45 | bladekitty | and agility should be a bit higher for crit |
| 19:30.57 | bladekitty | I might be valuing threat a bit more than I should |
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| 19:34.56 | Djane | bladekitty, I perosnally feel threat and survivability stats are incongrious to each other |
| 19:35.00 | Djane | You cannot compare the two |
| 19:36.53 | Glar | @weather report 75028 |
| 19:36.55 | [Wheaties] | Location: Flower Mound, TX (75028) - Updated at: 12/9/10 12:53 PM CST - Temp: 57F (13C) - Feels like: 57F (13C) - Wind: S 24 MPH - Conditions: Mostly Cloudy - Humidity: 44% |
| 19:37.11 | Glar | yea, warming up a little |
| 19:37.32 | Raws | I've got my windows open right now, it's pretty balmy |
| 19:37.35 | Raws | @weather report 02043 |
| 19:37.36 | [Wheaties] | Location: Hingham, MA (02043) - Updated at: 12/9/10 1:54 PM EST - Temp: 28F (-3C) - Feels like: 18F (-8C) - Wind: WNW 12 MPH - Conditions: Fair - Humidity: 31% |
| 19:37.48 | Glar | lol, balmy hahahahahaha |
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| 19:38.58 | Ruminator | @weather report 85635 |
| 19:38.59 | [Wheaties] | Location: Sierra Vista, AZ (85635) - Updated at: 12/9/10 11:55 AM MST - Temp: 68F (20C) - Feels like: 68F (20C) - Wind: VAR 3 MPH - Conditions: Partly Cloudy - Humidity: 15% |
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| 19:39.23 | Clearness | @weather 01301 |
| 19:39.26 | Clearness | Oh. |
| 19:39.32 | Clearness | @weather report 01301 |
| 19:39.32 | [Wheaties] | Location: Greenfield, MA (01301) - Updated at: 12/9/10 1:52 PM EST - Temp: 23F (-5C) - Feels like: 10F (-13C) - Wind: WNW 15 MPH - Conditions: Partly Cloudy - Humidity: 36% |
| 19:39.43 | Clearness | Mm, genuinely toasty. |
| 19:40.33 | kadroid | i wonder if i can make aliases in this client |
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| 19:40.48 | Glar | I remember spending a winter in fall river... |
| 19:40.58 | Glar | @weather report 02720 |
| 19:40.59 | [Wheaties] | Location: Fall River, MA (02720) - Updated at: 12/9/10 1:53 PM EST - Temp: 29F (-2C) - Feels like: 19F (-8C) - Wind: WNW 12 MPH - Conditions: Fair - Humidity: 27% |
| 19:41.15 | kadroid | fall winter |
| 19:41.54 | ralc | looking for someone to stand in for me in my last exam tomorrow |
| 19:42.05 | ralc | i will reward you with a pat on the back and maybe a handshake |
| 19:42.39 | MaienM | sounds interesting... what is the exam for? |
| 19:43.05 | Limbero | :o demon hunter potential spoilers in Darkshore |
| 19:43.06 | ralc | 2. year algorithm and datastructures |
| 19:45.11 | bladekitty | Djane: that's why it's hard making a tank weight |
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| 19:45.31 | bladekitty | it's almost brainless to make a DPS weight scale, given a sandbox |
| 19:45.42 | Djane | bladekitty, i'd personally make two weightings. One for survivability, the other for threat. |
| 19:45.51 | bladekitty | pfft |
| 19:45.53 | Djane | And then you need to make a threatr V survivability judgement call |
| 19:45.56 | bladekitty | I take out the DPS stats |
| 19:46.01 | bladekitty | for my use |
| 19:46.07 | MaienM | "Transfer aborted: Instance not found" is what I et when trying to take the portal to stormwind :O |
| 19:46.17 | hylje | stormwind doesn't exist |
| 19:46.20 | bladekitty | Never had threat issues |
| 19:46.23 | bladekitty | even without RF |
| 19:46.27 | bladekitty | it was like LOLTAUNT |
| 19:46.40 | Djane | Quite |
| 19:46.49 | hylje | Limbero: what's there to spoil about demon huntards |
| 19:46.52 | bladekitty | I think this is a nice balance though |
| 19:46.53 | Limbero | MaienM, I heard abortion can be hard to deal with, just try again |
| 19:47.02 | bladekitty | hylje: they haven't come out of the closet yet |
| 19:47.05 | bladekitty | it's a big closet |
| 19:47.07 | bladekitty | and comfy |
| 19:47.11 | Limbero | hylje, http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=5453 |
| 19:48.08 | Kensaki | [20:43] <Limbero> :o demon hunter potential spoilers in Darkshore <- blizz about spoiler "Yes there are playable demon hunters in Diablo 3." |
| 19:48.19 | Kensaki | =p |
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| 19:48.35 | Limbero | I meant possible demon hunters in WoW |
| 19:48.47 | Clearness | Nope, there were demon hunters in WC3 though... |
| 19:48.59 | Limbero | what do you mean Nope |
| 19:49.04 | Limbero | how can you know? |
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| 19:49.14 | Koren | He means this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14 |
| 19:49.53 | djh- | hey guys, I was reading some TBC quest text and I found hints about a dance studio feature! |
| 19:50.01 | MaienM | :O |
| 19:50.05 | MaienM | awesome! |
| 19:50.43 | Limbero | Koren, oh, it all makes sense now |
| 19:52.17 | Limbero | you can all laugh, but it's not like they're denying the possibility of new classes |
| 19:53.36 | hylje | demon hunters are a strange combination of warlocks and rogues |
| 19:54.14 | Limbero | yes, and they exist within the Warcraft universe |
| 19:54.19 | djh- | the line on new classes has always been exactly the same. "we'd love to make some, maybe someday we'll have time (we won't, ever)" |
| 19:54.24 | djh- | therefore there's nothing to spoil |
| 19:54.34 | bladekitty | demon hunters are those things I used to farm in tBC |
| 19:54.50 | hylje | and blizzard foreshadows on a lot of things they never intended to even halfway finish to foreshadow |
| 19:54.56 | Limbero | djh-, "ever"? Like with DK's? |
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| 19:55.24 | djh- | you also can't spoil guild housing, 5.2 raid itemization, and level 90 spells. |
| 19:55.40 | MaienM | ah yes, guild housing |
| 19:56.07 | MaienM | although, they finally seem to be adding something that makes a guild a bit more than just a group of players |
| 19:56.10 | Koren | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZU6h5kmkg |
| 19:56.13 | MaienM | even if just a bit |
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| 19:57.04 | Raws | Koren, please tell me you're not discovering nope.avi et al. just now |
| 19:57.11 | Koren | nope |
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| 19:57.13 | Raws | Ok, good |
| 19:57.31 | djh- | Limbero: will you excitedly report spoilers about the Path of Titans? |
| 19:57.43 | Koren | I'm rediscovering it back from march |
| 19:57.54 | Limbero | djh-, will you turn down MMO-Champions' "rumors" about the Cataclysm |
| 19:57.58 | Limbero | the one that never happened |
| 19:58.00 | Limbero | oh wait |
| 19:58.04 | Limbero | +? |
| 19:58.51 | djh- | briefly explain the difference between rumor and spoiler. |
| 19:59.21 | Limbero | wow, you really are _that_ ignorant |
| 19:59.42 | Limbero | there were Cata hints during WotLK |
| 19:59.54 | Limbero | similar to this demon hunter quest |
| 20:00.07 | MaienM | you know |
| 20:00.10 | Koren | i don't remember any worgen quests |
| 20:00.13 | Koren | in wotlk |
| 20:00.23 | MaienM | we'll find out eventually |
| 20:00.24 | Limbero | ^ |
| 20:00.50 | Limbero | Koren, there's been hints in a few quest texts about the Cataclysm happening |
| 20:01.49 | Raws | Time for a run |
| 20:02.22 | MaienM | why is the first thing I want to try when seeeing this gigantic tornado in darkshore flying right into it? D: |
| 20:02.28 | joltkitty | chases Raws |
| 20:02.32 | joltkitty | RUN DOGGEH |
| 20:02.33 | joltkitty | RUN! |
| 20:02.40 | Limbero | MaienM, that's where all the fun is |
| 20:03.11 | MaienM | bah, nothing happens :( |
| 20:06.29 | MaienM | I'm getting kinda exited to start a new character seeing how all the zones I'm flying over changed.... |
| 20:09.02 | hylje | and agonize over not getting to fly until 60 |
| 20:09.45 | MaienM | yeah, that's a major downside :( |
| 20:10.12 | MaienM | I remember doing northrend after outland.... and not being able to fly for a while D: |
| 20:10.47 | Koren | Noxy: You here? |
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| 20:18.40 | hylje | MaienM: i first did northrend after 4.0.1 landed and gave cold weather flying at 68 |
| 20:19.06 | MaienM | yeah, it got changed to 68 like a week after I got it D: |
| 20:21.33 | starspun | You could get Cold Weather Flying at 68 before 4.0.1, you just needed to get the heirloom :D |
| 20:21.52 | bladekitty | gets starspun's heirlooms |
| 20:22.09 | starspun | Nnnoooo, my 'looms! |
| 20:22.36 | hylje | starspun: not so much on first characters |
| 20:22.42 | fewyn | http://www.wowprogress.com/char_level/us/velen |
| 20:23.29 | bladekitty | fewyn: nice |
| 20:23.39 | fewyn | 8th person to 80 lol |
| 20:23.43 | fewyn | 85 |
| 20:23.48 | bladekitty | Only one on alliance not on outlandish |
| 20:24.06 | Limbero | gotta go |
| 20:24.12 | starspun | hylje, actually I think anyone could buy the tome as long as they had the 1k gold. :p |
| 20:24.16 | Koren | Whatever happened to the defense stat? |
| 20:24.23 | hylje | starspun: really? heh |
| 20:24.26 | fewyn | it's gone Koren |
| 20:24.29 | bladekitty | Koren: got turned into dodge |
| 20:24.31 | fewyn | you no need defense |
| 20:24.44 | bladekitty | defends starspun's honour |
| 20:24.50 | Koren | so there's no defense cap? cool |
| 20:25.03 | bladekitty | Koren: you get 6% crit reduction in talents for tanks |
| 20:25.13 | Koren | :oo |
| 20:25.39 | starspun | hylje, I think so. It didn't require any kind of reputation, but you had to have 225 riding to use it. I wouldn't really quote me on that though, I picked it up on my main for both alts that got up there. >_> |
| 20:25.40 | bladekitty | Imp Blood presence for DKs, Sanctuary for paladins, Imp Defensive stance (I think) for warriors |
| 20:25.52 | robokitty | hops on bladekitty and meows |
| 20:26.00 | bladekitty | pops open a wowhead calc |
| 20:26.08 | bladekitty | sets fire to self and robokitty |
| 20:26.18 | robokitty | sadkittymewrs |
| 20:26.22 | bladekitty | hmm |
| 20:26.30 | bladekitty | warrior talent is called Bastion of Defense |
| 20:27.00 | bladekitty | Druid is Thick Hide |
| 20:30.55 | bladekitty | kooooren |
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| 20:31.02 | bladekitty | Koren: you don't have a plate tank, right? |
| 20:31.13 | Koren | I have a pally |
| 20:31.23 | bladekitty | Oh |
| 20:31.24 | bladekitty | right |
| 20:31.37 | bladekitty | our new "cap" is once again the block cap |
| 20:31.43 | bladekitty | of 102.4% block/avoidance |
| 20:31.52 | Koren | what about warriors |
| 20:32.12 | bladekitty | same to them |
| 20:32.31 | bladekitty | but they have shield block |
| 20:32.45 | bladekitty | 25% block for 10 seconds... I think every 30 seconds |
| 20:33.48 | bladekitty | they also get 27% base block for mastery and specialization |
| 20:33.53 | bladekitty | paladins get... 18% |
| 20:34.08 | bladekitty | they get 1.5% block per mastery... but they also get critical block |
| 20:34.13 | bladekitty | we get... 2.25% |
| 20:34.18 | bladekitty | nothing else |
| 20:34.30 | bladekitty | one of the most boring masteries out there |
| 20:34.42 | Koren | Profiler doesn't go up to 85 :( |
| 20:34.46 | bladekitty | I know |
| 20:34.49 | bladekitty | made me sad |
| 20:35.21 | bladekitty | at pre-raid, you're looking at ~10-20 mastery, warriors less because they need expertise and hitcap |
| 20:35.28 | bladekitty | that's our advantage |
| 20:35.40 | bladekitty | we don't need hit and expertise as much as they do |
| 20:36.23 | bladekitty | say 15 mastery, warriors have ~50% block |
| 20:36.34 | bladekitty | + ~30% avoidance |
| 20:38.09 | bladekitty | and paladins have about the same |
| 20:38.10 | bladekitty | huh |
| 20:38.15 | bladekitty | HUUUH |
| 20:38.45 | bladekitty | WHY AM I TALKING TO MYSELF? |
| 20:39.25 | Koren | idk |
| 20:39.44 | Arkaen | Stormkitty: You read webcomics |
| 20:39.49 | Arkaen | What do you think of Sandra and Woo |
| 20:40.54 | bladekitty | It's cute |
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| 20:41.02 | bladekitty | I love raccoons |
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| 20:43.12 | Arkaen | Yeah bladekitty, from what I see it's definitely worth reading |
| 20:44.06 | starspun | <ifThenElse> |
| 20:44.15 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] TankSpot's Guide to The Stonecore - http://www.wowhead.com/blog=176367/tankspots-guide-to-the-stonecore |
| 20:44.16 | starspun | Guild on Runetotem EU :'D |
| 20:47.16 | Arkaen | starspun: http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2009/01/22/0027-major-mistake/ |
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| 20:54.42 | Parall4x | starspun: Love it. |
| 20:54.54 | starspun | What? :| |
| 20:54.57 | starspun | Oh |
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| 20:54.59 | starspun | The guildname? :P |
| 20:55.01 | Parall4x | Yes |
| 20:55.15 | Parall4x | You can't use numeric characters in guild names, can you? |
| 20:55.30 | Parall4x | (not related to your guild name) |
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| 20:59.34 | Arkaen | Oh hey |
| 20:59.48 | Arkaen | I just saw the new comic |
| 20:59.51 | Arkaen | nice work, Noxy |
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| 21:06.36 | fewyn | what's the name of the new jcing currency |
| 21:06.38 | fewyn | anyone know? |
| 21:06.46 | fewyn | nvm |
| 21:06.52 | fewyn | Illustrious Jewelcrafter's Token |
| 21:08.57 | starspun | I seriously hate the skyfall star spots in Vortex Pinnacle |
| 21:09.11 | robokitty | ^^ |
| 21:09.16 | starspun | Someone always rushes in before the healer is good to go :p |
| 21:09.28 | starspun | Or the rest of the group |
| 21:11.32 | hylje | you must go fasta |
| 21:14.37 | Raws | fffkkggnn did not anticipate brutal wind chill |
| 21:14.42 | Raws | My nads are ded |
| 21:15.12 | hylje | that's what you get for standing in the fire |
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| 21:16.23 | hylje | Actually, though, the Transit Police *do* have the power to arrest other police. |
| 21:16.35 | hylje | we found the police that polices the police |
| 21:16.42 | Raws | ! |
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| 21:18.11 | Raws | Time to steam myself |
| 21:19.53 | starspun | "polly the green" |
| 21:20.38 | sygnous | damn video keeps glitching |
| 21:21.01 | sygnous | GPU is getting up new 74C |
| 21:21.04 | sygnous | that's can't be great |
| 21:21.11 | sygnous | CPU as well |
| 21:21.13 | sygnous | hmm |
| 21:21.54 | starspun | SIGN |
| 21:21.57 | starspun | SIGH* |
| 21:22.28 | TechDevout | sygnous - What GPU? |
| 21:22.29 | starspun | "Hmm, healer is way back there drinking, LET ME RUN INTO THE SKYFALL STARS |
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| 21:23.07 | sygnous | GTX285 |
| 21:23.11 | sygnous | come to think of it |
| 21:23.15 | sygnous | I haven't heard the fan come on really |
| 21:23.20 | sygnous | maybe the drivers are fugged |
| 21:23.38 | sygnous | I just forced the fan at 100% |
| 21:23.45 | bladekitty | http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=176042&p=2433011#p2433000 |
| 21:23.51 | bladekitty | This post makes my head hurt |
| 21:24.26 | sygnous | went down like 4C immediately |
| 21:24.35 | sygnous | still going down |
| 21:25.19 | TechDevout | Hm. |
| 21:25.26 | TechDevout | Latest drivers, syg? |
| 21:25.51 | bladekitty | starspun: http://www.pokemonpapercraft.com/2009/06/mudkip.html |
| 21:26.03 | starspun | STOP PINGING ME JEEZ |
| 21:26.24 | bladekitty | let them die |
| 21:26.28 | bladekitty | this is more important |
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| 21:26.46 | sygnous | yeah |
| 21:26.48 | sygnous | it's stable now |
| 21:26.56 | sygnous | once it gets hotter it tweaks out |
| 21:27.23 | TechDevout | Huh. |
| 21:27.35 | Jamash | check the fan/heatsink for dust |
| 21:27.48 | TechDevout | That, and the fan power connection. |
| 21:27.51 | sygnous | I don't think the fan was kicking in |
| 21:28.13 | TechDevout | I had my 9800GT crap out because of a faulty fan power connector on the board. |
| 21:28.17 | TechDevout | Had to do a bypass. |
| 21:28.34 | sygnous | the fan works |
| 21:28.45 | sygnous | just the logic maybe wasn't turning it up all the way |
| 21:29.03 | TechDevout | Using any special software? |
| 21:29.08 | sygnous | nope |
| 21:29.11 | sygnous | just the nvidia tools |
| 21:29.15 | TechDevout | I see. |
| 21:29.17 | sygnous | I just put it up to 100% fan |
| 21:29.20 | sygnous | we'll see what happens |
| 21:29.28 | sygnous | I don't wanna manually tweak it every time, but, whatever |
| 21:29.54 | TechDevout | IIRC, you can create profiles for fan control. |
| 21:30.09 | TechDevout | Or was that the crappy ASUS software that came with mine? |
| 21:30.51 | sygnous | I never had to before |
| 21:32.10 | sygnous | yeah, now it's hovering around 53 |
| 21:32.14 | sygnous | instead of 73 |
| 21:32.55 | TechDevout | Well, that's much better for idling. |
| 21:33.06 | sygnous | no, in game |
| 21:33.56 | TechDevout | Oh. |
| 21:34.00 | TechDevout | Then that's awesome. |
| 21:34.08 | sygnous | yeah |
| 21:34.18 | TechDevout | My 9800 used to idle at 53. |
| 21:34.23 | TechDevout | And go up to 80 in games. |
| 21:34.26 | sygnous | like in a really firey place... it was just at 54 |
| 21:34.55 | sygnous | I just updated the drivers recently |
| 21:35.04 | sygnous | so I'm betting the drivers aren't triggering the fan correctly |
| 21:35.15 | Parall4x | Have they gotten around to supporting an XML response for the realm status page yet? |
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| 21:50.24 | Limbero | okay, so I like that it was all #debatehead in here last night |
| 21:50.28 | Limbero | so I have a new topic |
| 21:50.33 | Limbero | I hate animal rights activists |
| 21:50.56 | hylje | i hate Hitler |
| 21:51.07 | TechDevout | Fair enough. Care to expand on that? |
| 21:51.23 | Limbero | they are dumb and claim they're backed by science |
| 21:51.25 | ari5av | well, hitler was a mass murderer. |
| 21:51.26 | Limbero | which is only partially true |
| 21:51.50 | ari5av | i do love internet debates. |
| 21:52.02 | Limbero | I do too |
| 21:52.24 | TechDevout | I'd say you have to be pretty damn bored to be an animal rights activist. |
| 21:52.35 | Limbero | yes |
| 21:52.36 | TechDevout | Or have no other career opportunities. |
| 21:52.46 | Kelisor | And he was a vegetarian, which thus proves that it is not always good |
| 21:52.47 | Limbero | and just to make this clear, I was a vegetarian for a whole year |
| 21:52.59 | TechDevout | XD |
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| 21:53.30 | TechDevout | Well, there's the endangered species ones that I agree with. |
| 21:53.39 | ari5av | i think we can put animal rights on hold for a few decades while we deal with the human rights issues in the world. |
| 21:53.40 | Kelisor | vegetarian in some extreme cases can lead to genoside ::P |
| 21:53.57 | TechDevout | But the ones that are screaming about lab rats being used to test shampoo and related stuff are just retarded. |
| 21:54.09 | ari5av | they're the cleanest rats in america! |
| 21:54.13 | TechDevout | Indeed! |
| 21:54.17 | ari5av | why should anyone complain about that? |
| 21:54.18 | TechDevout | They have a home! |
| 21:54.19 | TechDevout | Food! |
| 21:54.23 | TechDevout | Warmth! |
| 21:54.26 | Limbero | oh, I only hate the "OOH MEAT IS BAD" activists |
| 21:54.34 | TechDevout | Oh, that's just dumb. |
| 21:54.39 | Limbero | the ones that care about polar bears and whatnot are cool with me |
| 21:54.43 | ari5av | rats spread disease from their ticks and fleas - this prevents the spread of disease |
| 21:54.52 | ari5av | and on top of that, we get great smelling hair in the end |
| 21:55.01 | ari5av | win-win |
| 21:55.04 | Limbero | yeah |
| 21:55.49 | TechDevout | So...really? |
| 21:55.54 | Raws | http://i56.tinypic.com/afgaq1.jpg "Using its fins to walk, rather than swim, along the ocean floor in an undated picture, the pink handfish is one of nine newly named species described in a scientific review of the handfish family released in Mayâ |
| 21:55.55 | TechDevout | No Bambi-lovers here? |
| 21:56.07 | TechDevout | I'm itching for a good debate, tbh. |
| 21:56.17 | Raws | You should've been here last night |
| 21:56.26 | TechDevout | OLOLO HE LOOKS LIEK DURP! |
| 21:56.32 | hylje | derp |
| 21:57.04 | TechDevout | What went on last night? |
| 21:57.14 | TechDevout | I've been away from IRC far too long. |
| 21:57.24 | hylje | Use: Cupcakes make you happy. |
| 21:57.41 | sygnous | flying in BRD |
| 21:57.43 | sygnous | wtf |
| 21:57.44 | sygnous | awesome |
| 21:57.47 | Kelisor | lol i miss irc being the only form of internet chat |
| 21:57.56 | Raws | TechDevout: there was a pretty impressive, multi-hour debate concerningâ¦Â religion? It spanned too many specific topics to generalize |
| 21:58.07 | TechDevout | BAH!HUMBUG! |
| 21:58.08 | Limbero | yeah |
| 21:58.10 | TechDevout | And I missed it. |
| 21:58.12 | Limbero | it started with the AA iirc |
| 21:58.26 | Raws | I think it was the longest-running debate I've ever seen in this channel |
| 21:59.01 | sygnous | any everybody was wrong |
| 21:59.02 | sygnous | :P |
| 21:59.07 | TechDevout | Haha, indeed. |
| 21:59.07 | Limbero | did it go on for much longer after I went to bed? |
| 21:59.11 | Raws | Oh yeah |
| 21:59.15 | Raws | And on and on and on |
| 21:59.18 | Limbero | lol |
| 21:59.22 | Limbero | I'm glad I gave up |
| 21:59.28 | Limbero | but I still overslept my entire schoolday |
| 21:59.50 | Raws | Your parents don't wake you up? :| |
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| 22:00.38 | Limbero | they try to |
| 22:00.48 | Limbero | but, I think I lie to them while sleeping |
| 22:01.01 | Limbero | because they always say I've got the most clever excuses |
| 22:01.05 | Limbero | that I can't remember |
| 22:02.11 | TechDevout | Oh, last summer was fun for me. |
| 22:02.31 | TechDevout | We were renovating the country house, and I had to drive the workers there every morning. |
| 22:02.39 | TechDevout | My dad would come to wake me up once. |
| 22:02.51 | TechDevout | I'd say ok, and turn the other way. |
| 22:02.55 | TechDevout | Then 5 minutes later. |
| 22:03.00 | TechDevout | WAKE UP ALREADY |
| 22:03.06 | TechDevout | *HEART ATTACK WAKE-UP* |
| 22:03.18 | hylje | i was renovating the Hitler, and then omg nazis |
| 22:03.33 | TechDevout | Suddenly, ninja bears with heat vision. |
| 22:03.46 | Kelisor | ducks |
| 22:03.50 | hylje | sounds like druids to me |
| 22:03.54 | Limbero | seriously though, my sleep arguing is arguably amazing |
| 22:04.08 | Limbero | I can get out of anything and have no recollection of it what so ever |
| 22:04.12 | TechDevout | ! |
| 22:04.27 | hylje | so in conclusion druids are Hitler |
| 22:04.35 | TechDevout | Pretty much yes. |
| 22:04.36 | Raws | Handfish in motion http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-43614.html |
| 22:04.58 | hylje | derpfish |
| 22:05.35 | Kelisor | lol |
| 22:05.41 | Koren | If you have a flaw, then someone can find a way to compare you negatively to Hitler. By extension, if you have a flaw, then you are worse then Hitler. Thus, Hitler is flawless. |
| 22:06.16 | hylje | Thus, Hitler. |
| 22:06.16 | Raws | worse then Hitler |
| 22:06.23 | Kelisor | hitler was the worst thus you are better |
| 22:07.23 | Koren | http://i.imgur.com/rlNyh.png |
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| 22:07.48 | hylje | rlnyeh |
| 22:07.59 | hylje | kilohitler |
| 22:09.27 | Raws | Pico, nano |
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| 22:09.54 | Limbero | lol Raws |
| 22:09.55 | Limbero | so cute |
| 22:10.26 | Kelisor | i do stand corrected koren |
| 22:12.21 | Limbero | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=26193 worst quest |
| 22:12.48 | Juippis | how come |
| 22:12.59 | Kelisor | compared to other quests its like mega easy |
| 22:13.06 | Juippis | you get achievement from it too |
| 22:13.08 | Juippis | and it's easy |
| 22:13.19 | Leif | solo it and if the quest giver disapeares wait he will return with next group on same quest |
| 22:13.53 | Juippis | what |
| 22:14.06 | Leif | it bugs alot if you party |
| 22:14.16 | Juippis | you actually have to do something in there? |
| 22:14.31 | Leif | how can you not? |
| 22:16.18 | *** join/#wowhead Kelisor (~Kelisor@96.236.130.186) |
| 22:16.20 | ari5av | i want a religious debate :( |
| 22:16.25 | ari5av | but wait for me, i'm going home from work now |
| 22:20.28 | *** join/#wowhead silph (~afkafka@wikimedia/afkafka) |
| 22:21.57 | Primar | ! |
| 22:21.58 | Primar | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/105953-Sony-Online-Strongly-Hints-Planetside-Sequel-Coming-This-Spring |
| 22:22.26 | hylje | it's over |
| 22:22.28 | hylje | WoW is finished |
| 22:22.40 | Primar | ./join #planethead |
| 22:23.06 | sygnous | I have so much shit that is worthless now |
| 22:23.07 | sygnous | lol |
| 22:26.29 | fewyn | http://is.gd/isGf2 got to love new expansions |
| 22:27.43 | fewyn | the web auction house, worth getting? Y/N? |
| 22:27.49 | VCH | DF is now region wide across all servers right? |
| 22:28.12 | fewyn | no all servers in the same data center |
| 22:28.14 | fewyn | for LFD |
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| 22:29.58 | Raws | When the president of a company calls something "the coolest god-damned game," I get little glimmers of hope deep down inside that maybe there are real humans working on it |
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| 22:36.14 | Arkaen | Raws: hwat game |
| 22:36.28 | Raws | "Planetside Next," see Primar's link |
| 22:36.32 | Arkaen | o |
| 22:36.45 | sygnous | destroying purples for greens is traumatic |
| 22:36.59 | Raws | It is |
| 22:37.58 | Ward | for crappy blues |
| 22:38.01 | Ward | I look pretty epic |
| 22:38.18 | Ward | this new gear has some awesome designs |
| 22:39.02 | sygnous | I have tier tokens in my bank |
| 22:39.03 | sygnous | lol |
| 22:39.04 | ProNihilist | Cruicible of Carnage is such a clusterfuck |
| 22:40.54 | sygnous | the cata food and water are like triple the health / mana I actually have |
| 22:42.37 | sygnous | I'm still flying a TBC drake |
| 22:42.48 | sygnous | it's like flying with delta on a 20 year old airplane |
| 22:43.41 | Leif | till you get to 85 and have 100k+ hp |
| 22:44.23 | fewyn | http://twitter.com/#!/LeBronJamesEgo/status/12881383525449729 |
| 22:44.46 | Djane | <ProNihilist> Cruicible of Carnage is such a clusterfuck -> Yes. |
| 22:46.55 | starspun | I read that as Crucible of Cabbage. |
| 22:47.01 | starspun | Now I'm hungry, thanks a lot :( |
| 22:49.23 | robokitty | :| |
| 22:50.32 | Raws | I'm starving |
| 22:50.36 | Raws | Time to go find some soup with snausages |
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| 22:52.28 | Arkaen | starspun eats cabbage crucibles |
| 22:53.40 | sygnous | this hard to get ? : http://www.wowhead.com/item=51954 |
| 22:53.46 | sygnous | some dude standing next to me has it |
| 22:54.30 | TechDevout | Got it the night before Cata dropped. |
| 22:54.35 | Noxy | oh god |
| 22:54.42 | TechDevout | Needs two weeks to get done. |
| 22:54.44 | sygnous | there's a bright green with purple scales down it's spine too |
| 22:54.47 | Noxy | his kids get here in like 2 mins |
| 22:55.04 | TechDevout | Why's Noxy freaking out? |
| 22:55.11 | Noxy | OH GOD |
| 22:55.12 | Noxy | TecnoBrat |
| 22:55.13 | Noxy | TecnoBrat |
| 22:55.24 | sygnous | this a new guy or something noxy? |
| 22:55.30 | Noxy | WHAT IF THEY HATE ME AAAHHHHHH |
| 22:55.43 | fewyn | who could hate you Noxy |
| 22:55.47 | sygnous | meh |
| 22:55.50 | sygnous | kids are kids |
| 22:55.53 | Noxy | ; __; |
| 22:56.05 | Noxy | I DONT WANNA BE THE EVIL STEP MOM |
| 22:56.14 | sygnous | you're a step mom? |
| 22:56.19 | TechDevout | Noxy, try throwing some shiny treasures their way. |
| 22:56.31 | sygnous | I'm way behind I guess, lol |
| 22:57.21 | sygnous | goin to vashj'ir |
| 23:00.15 | TecnoBrat | noxy they will love you |
| 23:00.37 | Mowsey | o_o |
| 23:00.42 | Arkaen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.48 | Mowsey | your kids |
| 23:00.58 | Arkaen | oh god |
| 23:00.59 | Mowsey | She's going to eat them om nom nom |
| 23:02.00 | TechDevout | Did I hear nom nom noises? |
| 23:02.13 | Mowsey | no, lay off the drugs |
| 23:02.15 | Mowsey | druggie :/ |
| 23:02.21 | Mowsey | go play with Gary13579 |
| 23:02.24 | TechDevout | But but but?! |
| 23:02.25 | Mowsey | with your "DRUGS" |
| 23:02.28 | Gary13579 | ? |
| 23:02.44 | Mowsey | hai garyschmoogums |
| 23:02.48 | Gary13579 | hi |
| 23:02.53 | starspun | Gary Sweet Guns |
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| 23:03.04 | starspun | Or was it Sweet Gary Guns |
| 23:03.09 | TechDevout | \o\ |
| 23:03.15 | TechDevout | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.16 | Mowsey | Sweet Gary Pie, oh yeah |
| 23:03.47 | starspun | Oh, it was Sweet Gary Guns |
| 23:03.57 | starspun | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=44178 :D |
| 23:05.58 | Kelisor | lol nice name of an npc :P |
| 23:09.16 | Raws | Gary's Smokin' Guns |
| 23:10.15 | Raws | Tonight's a wood stove night |
| 23:10.28 | Mowsey | bitchin' |
| 23:11.01 | Raws | Coupla fat logs, and this place'll be toasty until the morning |
| 23:11.48 | JunkHead | Hey quick question. I saw someone say that the Spell Hit requirement for raids at 85 now is 14% instead of 18%. Is that right? |
| 23:12.04 | Mowsey | You can check in your character pane |
| 23:12.37 | Mowsey | It shows your chance to hit 85/86/87/skull mobs |
| 23:12.50 | JunkHead | 10.12%. But I'm only lvl 84. |
| 23:13.23 | Ward | soooo |
| 23:13.28 | Ward | the old armory doesn't exist anymore |
| 23:13.32 | JunkHead | nope. |
| 23:13.32 | Ward | and the new armory doesn't work yet |
| 23:13.34 | Ward | gg blizz |
| 23:13.36 | JunkHead | I miss it. |
| 23:13.49 | TechDevout | I don't. |
| 23:14.03 | TechDevout | Laggy as hell. |
| 23:14.10 | Raws | The new armory is fantastic |
| 23:14.21 | JunkHead | Sorting options suck. |
| 23:14.30 | JunkHead | It just lists results. |
| 23:14.35 | sygnous | erectile dysfunction and constipation ads on wowhead? |
| 23:14.41 | TechDevout | Hell yes! |
| 23:14.43 | sygnous | come on, I'm gonna have to start blocking the ads |
| 23:14.44 | Raws | It's targeted advertising, yo |
| 23:14.48 | Mowsey | they're targeted |
| 23:14.49 | Mowsey | lol |
| 23:15.03 | Mowsey | They're stealing your cookies |
| 23:15.05 | TechDevout | Also, I like the fact that after you block ads, you can block the frames requesting you unblock the ads. |
| 23:15.05 | Raws | TecnoBrat set those up just for you |
| 23:15.12 | Mowsey | and sending your personal information and browsing history to your grandmother |
| 23:15.23 | *** join/#wowhead Jamash (~Jamash@99-92-174-69.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:15.28 | sygnous | well, my pecker works fine, and I take a shit everyday |
| 23:15.37 | Mowsey | so she can write about the amputee midget porn you watch in her christmas letter |
| 23:15.38 | sygnous | so obviously they aren't targeted right |
| 23:15.49 | Raws | That's what you think |
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| 23:17.31 | *** join/#wowhead kadroid (~kad@104.sub-174-252-186.myvzw.com) |
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| 23:18.53 | fewyn | evening #wowhead |
| 23:19.05 | Raws | Good evening, fewyn |
| 23:19.10 | Raws | How YOU doin' |
| 23:19.55 | robokitty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0-qRyDuG6k <3<3<3<3<3 |
| 23:20.49 | kadroid | Rawsssss |
| 23:20.59 | Raws | kadrooooid |
| 23:21.08 | kadroid | I'm trying out droid irc clients |
| 23:21.26 | Raws | :\ |
| 23:21.31 | kadroid | I wish I could make aliases |
| 23:21.46 | Jamash | what sort of aliases |
| 23:22.10 | kadroid | Aliasing irc commands |
| 23:22.25 | Ward | is there any PVP gear from HP yet for level 85? |
| 23:22.30 | kadroid | Like /slap |
| 23:22.33 | Ward | I got 4k HP just sitting |
| 23:22.48 | *** join/#wowhead rikai (~rikai@unaffiliated/rikai) |
| 23:23.13 | kadroid | I wonder if this disconnects if my phone is locked |
| 23:23.37 | *** join/#wowhead kshawkeye (~Kyle@c-98-243-216-190.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:23.38 | kadroid | Nope Woot |
| 23:24.24 | Ward | using AndChat? |
| 23:24.38 | kadroid | Yes |
| 23:26.06 | *** part/#wowhead Thaoky (Thaoky@141.137-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 23:26.19 | fewyn | i feel like i'm going to sneeze but i'm not sneezing |
| 23:26.20 | fewyn | so annoying |
| 23:27.05 | kadroid | It's worse when you sneeze and fart at the same time |
| 23:27.19 | fewyn | yeah |
| 23:32.22 | sygnous | is there a way to disable the proc effects? |
| 23:32.25 | sygnous | like surge of light |
| 23:32.40 | sygnous | shows a couple of things around you... I don't wanna see those |
| 23:33.26 | kadroid | It's underbinterdace options somewhere |
| 23:33.29 | kadroid | Ih |
| 23:33.37 | sygnous | k, I'll look |
| 23:33.40 | kadroid | Uh... |
| 23:34.11 | *** join/#wowhead rikai_ (~rikai@cpe-184-153-144-194.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 23:34.13 | kadroid | Interface options. Yeah. Droid keyboard fail :p |
| 23:34.33 | sygnous | thanks |
| 23:34.37 | sygnous | I shoulda just looked there :P |
| 23:34.46 | starspun | Haha, underbinterdace :D |
| 23:34.51 | starspun | UNDERBINT |
| 23:35.01 | kadroid | Lol |
| 23:40.35 | Limbero | why do people call Hyjal "Vaj"? |
| 23:40.51 | starspun | What? :| |
| 23:41.08 | Limbero | a few people in my guild do |
| 23:41.10 | starspun | I can see people calling Vashj'ir "Vaj" (for some reason), but not Hyjal |
| 23:41.11 | starspun | o_o |
| 23:41.28 | Limbero | yeah, that's what I thought too |
| 23:42.04 | Raws | I'm gonna call Hyjal "Haj" |
| 23:44.44 | Limbero | Hej |
| 23:49.47 | Limbero | to bed! |
| 23:49.51 | Limbero | I am being responsible |
| 23:50.46 | sygnous | ugh |
| 23:50.51 | sygnous | is Blood and Thunder! still bugged? |
| 23:50.59 | Juippis | it never was |
| 23:51.14 | sygnous | I jumped in the water and the quest hasn't completed |
| 23:51.17 | sygnous | it's been like 5 minutes |
| 23:53.00 | Nathrakh | very tempted to turn my tauren warr into a female belf ... |
| 23:54.22 | sygnous | there it goes |
