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| 00:48.12 | Ama|afk | so, when the level 90 version of the Theramore scenario comes out |
| 00:48.36 | Amarande | are the epic drops probably just going to be higher ilvl versions of the same, or is this the only time those plate circlets are going to appear, for instance? |
| 00:49.47 | Paarn | not sure |
| 00:55.32 | Amarande | and yay, the unpleasable fanbase divide |
| 00:55.58 | Amarande | someone in the AMA complained of the excessive amount of time between the last raid of an expansion and the release of the next |
| 00:56.13 | Amarande | but, of course, if you make the time too short, then you end up with the Vanilla Naxxramas and Sunwell traps |
| 00:56.39 | Amarande | which is really no good either, and probably worse :P |
| 00:58.42 | Amarande | I guess I don't see the trouble with that delay being long |
| 00:59.14 | Amarande | whereas the feeling about the reverse idea (which was tried in the first two phases of WoW), is that then you end up with an entire raid that is pretty much just a treat for the top 1% of players |
| 01:03.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Theramore's Fall: Scenario Preview and Interview with Christie Golden - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206431/theramores-fall-scenario-preview-and-interview-with-christie-golden |
| 01:12.23 | JunkHead | 6:55 left in 1st quarter... falcons have 3 interceptions on payton manning.:P |
| 01:15.28 | Amarande | heh, this is because Payton has proven he's actually the lesser brother |
| 01:15.41 | Amarande | I remember when they used to insist Eli was the lesser brother ... LOL |
| 01:16.05 | Amarande | but let's see ... Payton has what, one Super Bowl, and I can't even remember who the Colts got to beat to get that one LOL |
| 01:16.22 | Amarande | while Eli has two *and* he had to get both against probably the most vicious opposition you could give the Giants in the Super Bowl |
| 01:16.48 | Elysa | Peyton rose to the challenge issued by his brother |
| 01:16.51 | Elysa | 3 ints by halftime |
| 01:16.55 | Elysa | I CAN DO IT FASTER |
| 01:17.30 | JunkHead | 3 int's in a game is considered bad. |
| 01:17.39 | JunkHead | 3 in the 1st quarter is... wow |
| 01:17.57 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not even sure I got that many int's against me when I tried playing NFL 2K5 |
| 01:18.06 | Amarande | and I lost that game 51-0 :P |
| 01:18.13 | Amarande | With eight minute quarters, to boot |
| 01:18.21 | Elysa | For the record, the Giants did end up winning their game this week :P |
| 01:18.31 | Elysa | so there's still hope for the Broncos! |
| 01:19.20 | Amarande | also the Jets oughtn't to win the Super Bowl this year :S |
| 01:19.35 | Amarande | Don't get me wrong. I don't mind if a player decides to pray on the field. A person's faith choices are his own. |
| 01:19.49 | Amarande | However, I also live in the New York area and would like our sports media to actually focus more on, say, football |
| 01:20.01 | Amarande | and if the Jets win, they'll instead most likely *never* shut up about "Tebowing" |
| 01:20.11 | Elysa | Tebow hasn't made much of an impact, yet |
| 01:20.22 | Eraclito | i wonder if i can enchant ranged weapons now... for, like, hunters :P |
| 01:21.35 | Amarande | Eraclito, I've been wondering similar, but about wands |
| 01:21.49 | Amarande | even the MoP caster enchants I've been seeing previews of say they enchant "a melee weapon" |
| 01:22.08 | Amarande | which makes me wonder if wands are going to end up being second class citizens by far in MoP, even with their upgrade to full-scale mainhands |
| 01:22.49 | Amarande | since if it's anything like previous expansions, frequently the optimal caster enchant will be something with a unique proc effect that can't be duplicated by simply adding extra stats to wands to compensate for the lack of enchants |
| 01:22.51 | Eraclito | i hope not, because blizz recently said they want wands to be on par with daggers and swords |
| 01:23.33 | Amarande | like how things like Black Magic used to be BiS at least at times in LK |
| 01:24.08 | Amarande | though really, there's a solution to this sort of thing and I've seen it in LOTRO, although I'd hate to imagine the hue and cry that would happen if it was implemented in WoW |
| 01:24.22 | Amarande | since being that it would be a pretty huge new thing, it would doubtless be buggy for a while, most new things from blizzard usually are :P |
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| 01:24.52 | Amarande | basically, there are two things about LOTRO that are of most significance here compared to WoW |
| 01:25.18 | Amarande | one is that gear upgrades seem to be a lot less drastic in general, even going from (old expansion cap) to (old expansion cap + 1) than WoW ones |
| 01:25.19 | Eraclito | oh totally off topic... i want to create an account on twitter just to ask ghostcrawler to add belt + boots for my transmog set in game :P (mage purple tier8, the one rhonin wears) |
| 01:25.27 | Eraclito | i wonder if he'll answer |
| 01:25.47 | Amarande | basically, while there is indeed a continuous gear upgrading cycle, you don't really *need* to upgrade as often as you do in WoW to be able to do content |
| 01:26.11 | Eraclito | oh that's nice |
| 01:26.26 | Eraclito | lately upgrading gear has been too... a necessity |
| 01:26.30 | Amarande | except maybe for the hardest raid content (I haven't really done many instances in LOTRO, they tend to be quite brutal as even 3- and 6-man dungeons require a lot more party coordination, so when you end up with a PUG, it tends to go horribly south) |
| 01:26.35 | Eraclito | even more than years ago |
| 01:27.25 | Amarande | the other thing is, the Legendary Item system they have, tends to destroy a lot of the ills that affect games like WoW |
| 01:27.53 | Amarande | particularly, the sense of regimented BiS and cookie cutter builds that WoW has often been prone to |
| 01:28.37 | Amarande | Legendary is not a loot tier like it is in WoW, instead, it's a type of item that virtually all characters use at 50+, and two per character |
| 01:30.02 | Amarande | Unlike the static stats of most MMORPG items, LIs have randomly assigned stats, and a system by which they gain item XP and level up, then you gain Legendary Points which you assign to various stats on the item (including a weapon's DPS value) - each stat is called a legacy and has a fixed set of tiers, which each cost a certain number of LPs to upgrade to (and of course you have to buy all the lower tiers of a legacy to be able |
| 01:30.03 | Amarande | to buy the Xth tier) |
| 01:31.16 | Amarande | There are ways by which you can change the legacies on the items, but they tend to be inefficient and require either insane amounts of grinding or very large outlays of real money, so "the perfect" legendary is virtually impossible to attain to |
| 01:31.58 | Amarande | And since as a result, everyone's weapon (and one other item - sometimes a weapon, but not always, depends on the class) is different, you can't really come up with a static optimal build and gearing like you can in WoW. |
| 01:32.12 | Eraclito | that would be a nice thing |
| 01:32.30 | Eraclito | cookie cutter builds are a problem, to me |
| 01:32.50 | Amarande | Also, the ultimate investment in perfect legendaries is discouraged by, yes, the primary aspect of gear resetting in LOTRO |
| 01:32.56 | Amarande | two ways, really |
| 01:33.24 | Amarande | one is that top-tier (First Age) legendary items never, to my knowledge, have been made available at the start of an expansion, they typically come out with the later or last raids of the expansion |
| 01:34.33 | Amarande | therefore, you'll most likely end up needing to start with a Second Age and later on scrap it for a First Age (although dismantling a Legendary gives you various stuff you can use towards other LIs, such as upgrade relics, and if it's a high level LI you can turn a legacy from it into a legacy scroll that you can use to replace a legacy on another item) |
| 01:35.37 | Amarande | the other one is that legendary items also have character level requirements - the higher the better of course, and in particular Second and First Age LIs (except for the old, 51-60 range) are now only made available with cap-level requirements |
| 01:35.56 | Amarande | *and*, those level requirements are made into defined brackets |
| 01:36.15 | Amarande | a lot of the things you get from dismantling a legendary (including and especially the legacy customising scrolls) only work on legendaries in the SAME bracket |
| 01:36.53 | Amarande | So you cannot take your perfect or near perfect First Age from Isengard and carry the best legacies with you into Rohan, because level 75 legacy scrolls won't work on level 76+ LIs |
| 01:37.40 | Amarande | And since you can't get First Age LIs generally till fairly late in an expansion, it kind of discourages you from spending all the time and money to perfect one, if you could even settle on the notion of 'perfect.' :) |
| 01:38.41 | Amarande | And of course the level 85 LIs, even the Third Age ones by that much of a difference, will be better enough than your 75's that you won't want to stick with the old |
| 01:39.21 | Amarande | (at least for weapons - the turnover on class items that are not weapons - and indeed, on most items in general that are not weapons - is less rapid, depending on how useful the bonuses were) |
| 01:40.12 | Amarande | oh, you want to know the really "fun" thing on top of this? :) |
| 01:40.25 | Amarande | pell-mell mindlessly upgrading to higher level gear can actually make you hate yourself in LOTRO. :) |
| 01:41.47 | Amarande | See, in WoW, when you get serious gear upgrades, they pretty much always include a reasonable amount of Stamina as one of the stats. |
| 01:42.10 | Amarande | This is not the case since Isengard in LOTRO. Isengard quest gear is so heavily weighted to your primary stat that they even tend to forget about Vitality (the equivalent stat). |
| 01:42.29 | Amarande | Upgrade mindlessly, and you will find yourself a glass ... no ... not even glass, more like a tissue paper cannon LOL |
| 01:43.30 | Amarande | (It matters, too, because soloing is a lot more important in LOTRO. Unlike WoW, where endgame content almost entirely revolves around grouping, and where even solo quests can always be grouped for if you need help ... LOTRO features quite a large number of quests that are explicitly solo - as in they're instanced, and you're specifically forbidden from bringing a group of any kind) |
| 01:43.57 | Amarande | Basically, 1) Cookie cutter is avoided, and 2) You have to think a lot more than you do in WoW. Both good things. |
| 01:44.28 | Amarande | hopefully, MoP will involve a lot more thinking, too. :) |
| 01:46.05 | Amarande | (although I'm not sure how well a system like this would dovetail with the various LF* systems in WoW which are gatewayed by item level ... people would probably get a little annoyed if they had to acquire inferior gear to meet requirements because lower ilvl items pack more punch for their particular character :S) |
| 01:50.34 | Amarande | indeed, I could say they could get a little annoyed |
| 01:50.58 | Amarande | I remember when I went into Cata for the first time and noticed that the starter greens in Vashj'ir really weren't improvements over my ICC10 heroic gear |
| 01:51.23 | Amarande | but because all ICC gear apart from ICC25 heroic has a lower item level than 272, I was forced to accept them anyway in order to meet dungeon finder requirements |
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| 02:36.54 | jane | I didnt replace my ICC gear until 83 or so |
| 02:37.19 | jane | or rather, it took until late 83 to replace all my ICC gear |
| 02:37.32 | jane | suspect something similar for my current set |
| 02:37.42 | jane | looking forward to replacing my LFR ring lol |
| 02:41.25 | Amarande | jane: yeah, it took me a while to replace my ICC gear too |
| 02:41.51 | Amarande | the problem I had was that because epic 264's often outperformed low end cata greens, I had trouble qualifying for dungeons at some points because my ilvl wasn't right (and of course I would sell useless quest greens instead of gaming the system) |
| 02:42.29 | Amarande | which makes me think the more complex, thoughtful item system of yore (that other MMOs tend to use, as I noted above) probably can never be brought back now |
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| 02:43.03 | Amarande | simply because it would be too much of a nightmare for the LF* system as it would reduce or eliminate the viability of ilvl gateways and make it too hard to ensure a reasonably geared PUG |
| 02:44.21 | Amarande | And the introduction of more random things (first it was BG queues, then LFD, then LFR, and now CRZ) suggests that Blizzard's design philosophy is developing a greater, not a lesser, emphasis on random player matchmaking, no? |
| 02:45.02 | Amarande | By comparison, it's only been a few months since LOTRO introduced a dungeon finder at all, and it's still far from complete |
| 02:45.45 | Amarande | They did, however, for much longer than WoW have instant-from-anywhere instance entry, though, which is something that I often wish WoW would do more completely :S |
| 02:46.18 | Amarande | (e.g., things like doing lower level dungeons, where once you can no longer queue you have to walk to them. which is "fun" for things like RFC as alliance) |
| 02:46.48 | Amarande | heh, yet another reason I'm glad for account-wide achievements |
| 02:47.03 | Amarande | I was not relishing the thought of having to make it into deep Orgrimmar to finish Classic Dungeonmaster on the mage, not one bit :) |
| 02:47.21 | Amarande | And feeling like Alliance got the short end of it because it's a hell of a lot easier for Horde to make it to Stocks |
| 02:49.38 | jane | "fun" with level 90 guards :p |
| 02:50.15 | jane | your epic 264 gear was more likely to have been enchanted/gemmed and itemized better, not to mention tier sets/bonuses |
| 02:50.39 | jane | the last things i broke were my tier bonus and deathbringer's will (which tbh when arpen went out the window wasn't worth as much, but nostalgia.. |
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| 04:05.53 | Stormscape | Theramore's Fall is like Dragon Soul but even less fun |
| 04:09.50 | Jammer | at least it'll only last for a week :P |
| 04:22.01 | tate | !mop |
| 04:22.02 | Freyja | 1 week 4 hours 37 minutes 59 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 04:22.15 | tate | still can't buy game time with battle net balance? |
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| 05:27.35 | tate | lol sold 92 mill diablo gold for 71.76€ |
| 05:27.42 | tate | -30% but still D: |
| 05:35.07 | JunkHead | ok wtf.... |
| 05:35.11 | JunkHead | on kael in tempest keep. |
| 05:35.20 | JunkHead | how does the dagger breaking mind control work? |
| 05:35.35 | JunkHead | I equip the dagger and it breaks MC when I hit kael |
| 05:35.39 | JunkHead | am i correct? |
| 05:37.20 | tate | ye, with melee |
| 05:37.23 | tate | afaik |
| 05:37.38 | JunkHead | that shit isnt working |
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| 05:38.48 | tate | fuuck |
| 05:38.53 | tate | i want game time nao! |
| 05:39.00 | tate | it can take up to 72 hours to get my money >:C |
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| 05:49.37 | Amarande | heh, I decided to burn the midnight oil instead of going to bed, apparently :P |
| 05:50.15 | Amarande | speaking of D3 RMAH and such, I'm getting an odd vibe about Blizzard's business dealings in a particular way (in terms of customers ending up having to spend more money overall, not in terms of actual shadiness) :| |
| 05:50.19 | Amarande | noting this, particularly |
| 05:50.42 | Amarande | that 1) in order to get money from the RMAH, you *need* SMS Protect, and 2) in order to use SMS Protect, you *need to* maintain a CONTRACT cell phone, not a prepaid like Virgin |
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| 05:51.07 | Amarande | which ... is somewhat annoying, as someday I'd like to have the option to switch to something like Virgin without losing my ability to fully play D3, when I get it :P |
| 05:51.41 | Amarande | let's see ... 55 for unlimited everything, vs. the 130 or so I pay a month to AT&T for a contract phone and that only gives unlimited text and talk and a capped data plan :S |
| 05:51.52 | Amarande | and yeah, if you're thinking right, and know much about blizzard |
| 05:52.19 | Amarande | the vibe I'm starting to wonder about is if they got some kind of price break from AT&T (who is known to provide Blizz's hosting) for server hosting in exchange for steering people by making their security plan only take contract phones |
| 05:52.24 | Amarande | would I be right, or is that just paranoia? :S |
| 05:53.14 | Amarande | there certainly seems no actual rational reason for the policy otherwise, nor can I really think of a logical one other than that sadly :| |
| 05:53.24 | Amarande | after all, SMS is SMS, why should the phone company matter? |
| 06:01.38 | tate | i dno, i live in Finland and can use prepaid to use SMS protection |
| 06:02.32 | Amarande | anyway, I should probably actually sleep |
| 06:05.10 | tate | you do that |
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| 06:13.04 | lorjeo | ahh more like it :o |
| 06:13.57 | lorjeo | dont spose any wise warlocks are around :P |
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| 06:45.50 | tate | taste the rainbow motherfucker |
| 06:48.47 | jane | I just replaced a 384 with a 410. |
| 06:48.49 | jane | fucking. |
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| 07:31.08 | raspy | !mop |
| 07:31.10 | Freyja | 1 week 1 hour 28 minutes 52 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 07:33.30 | Ward | I have a massive deadline at work that I have to finish before I can take time off for MoP :p |
| 07:33.41 | Ward | this week I'm gonna be making 70 hours |
| 07:35.40 | hylje | burrrrn |
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| 10:42.03 | Quark | Theramore's Fall is the biggest piece of junk Blizzard has come up with. Hopefully that is not an indication of how MoP will turn out to be. |
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| 10:42.54 | hylje | it's more effort than the precata event which recycled old raids and bosses |
| 10:44.44 | Stormscape | I like how people think this is anything other than a preview of how scenarios will work |
| 10:44.50 | Stormscape | scenarios are not supposed to be hard to take long |
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| 10:47.02 | Quark | It is not about been hard, or take long. |
| 10:47.22 | Quark | I think you missed the "biggest piece of junk" part. |
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| 13:18.24 | tate | hoohoo |
| 13:18.28 | tate | ssd :D |
| 13:18.43 | tate | dat windows install speed |
| 13:19.02 | tate | oh it's done |
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| 13:28.06 | eidyia | morning |
| 13:30.21 | tate | dat |
| 13:32.42 | eidyia | !mop |
| 13:32.44 | Freyja | 6 days 19 hours 27 minutes 18 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
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| 13:58.42 | sidji | ohayo |
| 14:03.41 | tate | wow |
| 14:03.50 | tate | takes 23 seconds to restart windows |
| 14:03.56 | tate | and i thought i wouldn't even notice |
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| 14:18.05 | eidyia | 23s to restart? that's it? |
| 14:18.12 | eidyia | you must be on a brand new machine never used before |
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| 14:20.41 | abwesend | hey |
| 14:21.10 | abwesend | hab ne frage bezüglich wow ds ids |
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| 15:33.19 | Gunrun | fucking US server maintanence |
| 15:34.34 | Ama|work | heh. yet another reason to sleep in on Tuesday. unfortunately, work keeps me from sleeping in further, even though I'd love to since it's gloomy and rainy and it's still maintenance :P |
| 15:51.03 | eidyia | ^ |
| 15:51.06 | eidyia | rain sucks today |
| 15:51.19 | JunkHead | was raining here too a few minutes ago |
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| 15:59.06 | eidyia | it's gonna rain here all day |
| 15:59.12 | eidyia | #sadpanda |
| 16:00.19 | Jolt | this isnt twitter |
| 16:00.30 | eidyia | could be though, r? |
| 16:00.49 | Jolt | No. |
| 16:02.15 | fewyn | god i love my headset and all but if it's hot it's super uncomfortable |
| 16:02.41 | eidyia | :( |
| 16:02.47 | eidyia | anyone use gunnar glasses? |
| 16:02.55 | fewyn | haha |
| 16:03.03 | fewyn | a friend of mine was talking about them the other day |
| 16:03.05 | fewyn | he uses them |
| 16:03.07 | fewyn | loves them too |
| 16:03.22 | fewyn | i can't get a pair that's inexpensive because i actually wear glasses |
| 16:03.23 | eidyia | he wear them all day or just at the comp? |
| 16:03.37 | eidyia | yah - i have glasses, but figured i'd give the contacts a try at work |
| 16:03.44 | eidyia | the Rx ones are pricey! |
| 16:04.14 | JunkHead | [11:03:20] <@fewyn> i can't get a pair that's inexpensive because i actually wear glasses <-- Worst part about having to wear glasses? Fucking Headphones man... |
| 16:04.23 | eidyia | i hear ya ! |
| 16:04.32 | fewyn | you have a problem with glasses and headphones? |
| 16:04.38 | JunkHead | Yup. |
| 16:04.42 | fewyn | ??? |
| 16:04.46 | eidyia | two things competing for my ear |
| 16:04.50 | JunkHead | Yup. |
| 16:05.02 | JunkHead | Tight comfy headphones = good. |
| 16:05.10 | eidyia | yup! |
| 16:05.16 | JunkHead | But the leg from my glasses can hinder that. |
| 16:05.48 | fewyn | interesting |
| 16:06.29 | JunkHead | http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/09/18/breakfast-topic-so-lets-talk-about-the-theramores-fall/ |
| 16:06.30 | eidyia | you don't suffer from this? |
| 16:06.58 | fewyn | nope |
| 16:07.09 | eidyia | what kind of headphones you wear? |
| 16:07.12 | JunkHead | do you have headphones that like... |
| 16:07.15 | JunkHead | sit on your ear? |
| 16:07.24 | JunkHead | or have huge cups that go all the way around your ears? |
| 16:08.03 | eidyia | JunkHead - good summary article - personally thought it was way too easy and short |
| 16:08.08 | fewyn | sibera v2 |
| 16:08.19 | JunkHead | I thought it was easy, and short. But in a good way. |
| 16:08.20 | fewyn | http://steelseries.com/us/products/audio/steelseries-siberia-v2 |
| 16:08.21 | eidyia | figured it was too easy cause they require a iLvl of like 350 |
| 16:08.23 | JunkHead | but... |
| 16:08.32 | JunkHead | I couldn't imaging spamming it for hours on end |
| 16:08.35 | eidyia | fewyn: big cup ones |
| 16:08.42 | eidyia | agree - i did it once |
| 16:08.48 | eidyia | got a piece of gear, i was good |
| 16:08.56 | JunkHead | ah. ok. I don't see how you dont have the problem then. |
| 16:08.58 | eidyia | if there were some achieves tied to it, might go do that |
| 16:09.21 | JunkHead | Mine (because they're tight) basically can mash my glasses leg into my head over head |
| 16:09.44 | eidyia | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/webcam-communications/internet-headsets-phones/gaming-headset-g330 |
| 16:09.44 | JunkHead | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/headsets/wireless-headset-f540 |
| 16:09.46 | eidyia | something like that |
| 16:09.48 | JunkHead | this is what im using now |
| 16:10.00 | eidyia | yup - painful |
| 16:10.27 | JunkHead | and yeah i got a piece of gear too. nothign I needed, but im using it as my old tanking weapon was blue. |
| 16:10.38 | JunkHead | the new one has hit and haste on it, but who cares |
| 16:10.54 | eidyia | i had a DS bow (hunter) - and it dropped a 384 gun - so i had no need for the gear |
| 16:11.08 | eidyia | i was really hoping it'd drop like mists-lvl gear |
| 16:11.13 | eidyia | now that would get me going a few more times |
| 16:11.19 | JunkHead | also, switching from axe to sword allowed me to use a transmog |
| 16:11.41 | hylje | eidyia: it's supposed to be a nice perk for players just gearing up from scratch to the new xpac |
| 16:11.59 | eidyia | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.07 | eidyia | else it'd be great |
| 16:12.32 | JunkHead | That's somethign that kinda pissed me off about a stream I was watchign yesterday. |
| 16:12.39 | JunkHead | Guy was playign a boomkin doing it. |
| 16:12.46 | JunkHead | and they were just tearing through it. |
| 16:12.57 | eidyia | i saw that stream |
| 16:13.02 | JunkHead | and he kept saying. yeah this character has only been lvl 85 for like.... 13 hours |
| 16:13.06 | fewyn | anyone else playing borderlands 2? |
| 16:13.07 | JunkHead | so he has crap gear |
| 16:13.17 | JunkHead | the fuckers ilvl was like... 387 or some shit |
| 16:13.28 | eidyia | so he ran a ton of LFG |
| 16:13.29 | JunkHead | like, wait... what ddi you do in that 13 hour span??? |
| 16:13.30 | hylje | fewyn: bonerfarts |
| 16:13.41 | JunkHead | well, he was in blood legion. |
| 16:13.44 | eidyia | yah |
| 16:13.50 | eidyia | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.53 | eidyia | make it a bit of a challenge |
| 16:13.54 | JunkHead | so who knows what all he had access to on an alt |
| 16:13.57 | eidyia | i get it's more storyline focused |
| 16:14.16 | eidyia | i know gear is a small drop chance, but still would've been nice |
| 16:14.23 | JunkHead | well, i'll be honest, i knew theramore was getting bombed. |
| 16:14.29 | JunkHead | but doing the scenario.... |
| 16:14.34 | JunkHead | i didn't learn anythign else |
| 16:14.39 | eidyia | yah |
| 16:14.50 | JunkHead | there was no lore to me. |
| 16:15.02 | eidyia | was expecting an NPC to walk around with me, fill me in, show me cut-scenes between phases |
| 16:15.13 | JunkHead | yeah. something. |
| 16:15.25 | eidyia | hope the other scenarios are a bit more exciting |
| 16:16.06 | JunkHead | I'm not going to complain about it, but it was a bit lackluster. |
| 16:16.09 | eidyia | yah |
| 16:16.13 | JunkHead | It's a good jumpstart point though. |
| 16:16.33 | eidyia | true |
| 16:16.44 | eidyia | i thought the cata event was fun |
| 16:16.56 | eidyia | but at least this introduces me to how a scenario will work |
| 16:16.57 | JunkHead | you horde or alliance? |
| 16:16.58 | fewyn | all other world events > this one |
| 16:17.06 | eidyia | horde |
| 16:17.07 | fewyn | there's not enough story if you haven't read the book |
| 16:17.17 | JunkHead | because from what I saw on that guy's stream, horde looked a bit longer than the alliance one |
| 16:17.42 | eidyia | 4 phases - first was the longest |
| 16:17.43 | JunkHead | alliance, you start on the boat, then run around the docks setting fire to 3 boats. |
| 16:17.47 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/KZXwO.png |
| 16:17.48 | eidyia | running around 6 boats |
| 16:17.51 | JunkHead | middle, left and right |
| 16:17.53 | fewyn | lolwat |
| 16:17.56 | eidyia | yah - 6 for us |
| 16:18.04 | JunkHead | then you kill the guy by the fountain.... |
| 16:18.08 | JunkHead | then talk to jaina |
| 16:18.09 | eidyia | yup |
| 16:18.15 | JunkHead | then destroy ONE tank |
| 16:18.15 | eidyia | we go kill a tank thing |
| 16:18.18 | eidyia | yup |
| 16:18.21 | JunkHead | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.25 | JunkHead | then go back to jaina |
| 16:18.32 | JunkHead | and kill the boss and his trash |
| 16:18.33 | eidyia | we destroy 3 small tanks |
| 16:18.39 | JunkHead | yup. |
| 16:18.39 | eidyia | then do the same - boss and trash |
| 16:18.44 | JunkHead | i remember you guys have 3. |
| 16:18.53 | JunkHead | because if 2 blow up at the same time it bugs |
| 16:18.59 | JunkHead | and you dont get credit or something |
| 16:19.01 | eidyia | so, yah - same scenario |
| 16:19.15 | JunkHead | seems like alliance's is simpler |
| 16:19.26 | eidyia | slightly - not much different though |
| 16:19.49 | JunkHead | 6 boats and 3 tanks vs our 3 boats and 1 tank |
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| 16:20.16 | eidyia | well - 6 boars, 1 mini-boss tank, 3 tanks, then final boss |
| 16:20.24 | eidyia | *boats, not boars |
| 16:20.31 | hylje | boars are great |
| 16:20.41 | JunkHead | im sure there are videos of full runs out now |
| 16:20.45 | eidyia | yah |
| 16:21.03 | eidyia | took me maybe 10-15 mins as I had some problems not falling in the water on the docks |
| 16:21.38 | eidyia | if i ran it again, i could do under 10 mins w/o trying |
| 16:22.46 | JunkHead | Is there a way to queue up for it without using the lfg interface? |
| 16:22.51 | JunkHead | like a portal or anything? |
| 16:23.01 | JunkHead | im guessing no |
| 16:23.02 | hylje | lfg with a premade group |
| 16:23.40 | JunkHead | but theres no way to go in by yourself |
| 16:23.45 | JunkHead | correct? |
| 16:24.05 | hylje | yea |
| 16:26.12 | eidyia | i don't believe you can go less than 3 |
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| 17:05.15 | fewyn | http://www.humblebundle.com/ |
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| 21:10.57 | eidyia | back |
| 21:11.52 | eidyia | what's up ppl? |
| 21:13.46 | eidyia | are scenarios in the DB somewhere? |
| 21:17.26 | fewyn | nope |
| 21:17.52 | eidyia | k, ty |
| 21:17.53 | eidyia | :) |
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| 22:15.06 | Mr_Rabies | [18:10]Ol' Emma says: Where's the water, Emma? Get the water, Emma? If'n it weren't fer me, that lot wouldn't know what water looks like. |
| 22:15.07 | Mr_Rabies | [18:10]Melris Malagan says: My family was wiped out by the Scourge! MONSTER! |
| 22:15.07 | Mr_Rabies | [18:10]Renato Gallina says: GET A ROPE! |
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| 22:32.02 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, did you just start a death knight? :) |
| 22:32.09 | fewyn | scenarios -> average wait time 31 min |
| 22:32.10 | fewyn | wat |
| 22:32.56 | fewyn | it lies |
| 22:34.10 | Amarande | heh, that "average wait time" is as unreliable as your damage figures in Diablo II :) |
| 22:34.46 | Mr_Rabies | nah Amarande |
| 22:34.53 | Amarande | ah. |
| 22:34.57 | Mr_Rabies | just a great coincidence in sw |
| 22:35.00 | Mr_Rabies | as i was idling around |
| 22:35.01 | Amarande | if you did, was going to ask you if they neutered Rayne yet :P |
| 22:35.12 | Mr_Rabies | hm |
| 22:35.13 | Mr_Rabies | rayne |
| 22:35.15 | Mr_Rabies | who dat |
| 22:35.27 | Amarande | the druid in the final battle at Light's Hope Chapel |
| 22:35.31 | Mr_Rabies | oh right |
| 22:35.39 | Mr_Rabies | she's the druid outside LHC normally, too |
| 22:35.41 | Mr_Rabies | that's all like |
| 22:35.45 | Mr_Rabies | LOOK, PLANTS AND STUFF |
| 22:35.47 | Amarande | DKs have been reporting that it's next to impossible to finish the start chain atm because the 5.0 changes made her Starfall do OMGWTFBBQ damage |
| 22:35.48 | Mr_Rabies | or used to be |
| 22:35.57 | Mr_Rabies | talking to the earthen ring dude |
| 22:36.07 | Amarande | basically, it's get hit by starfall (and if you're anywhere near LHC, you're almost certainly going to get hit) and even with all the buffs you get in that battle, you're probably going to get one-shot |
| 22:36.25 | Mr_Rabies | good |
| 22:36.28 | Mr_Rabies | as it should be |
| 22:36.37 | Mr_Rabies | make these guys work for hero class status |
| 22:36.38 | Mr_Rabies | :p |
| 22:36.41 | Amarande | heh, the trouble with that is then you die and don't finish the quest, so your DK is stuck in start zone forever |
| 22:37.08 | Amarande | and actually "work for" hero class status practically becomes "hide on the very border of the quest credit area like a wuss until you get credited" |
| 22:37.28 | Amarande | so yeah, that's the thing right there |
| 22:37.33 | Amarande | being a wuss and not working for it gets you hero class status |
| 22:37.42 | Amarande | actually trying to fight at all is likely to just get you OHKO'd |
| 22:37.50 | Mr_Rabies | or they could pull themselves up by their bootstraps |
| 22:37.56 | Mr_Rabies | ;D |
| 22:38.02 | Amarande | dammit Jim, we're death knights, not shaman |
| 22:38.56 | Amarande | It would be one thing if avoiding starfall was a normal 'stay out of fire' reasonable thing to expect |
| 22:39.13 | Amarande | the problem is that its AoE is just so ungodly huge that it's almost impossible to do except to not get her attention in the first place, which means not fighting at all |
| 22:39.43 | Amarande | hell, the damage is so out of whack that apparently the named DK NPCs are sometimes dying from the LHC defenders according to some reports |
| 22:40.55 | Amarande | I'm guessing between that and the worgen and goblin starting areas, that 5.0 just adjusted some of the math related to health and damage without taking enough time to test what effect it would have on existing content |
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| 23:05.48 | fewyn | http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/937003620264565376/54B2F5E1A8673AF5A6927F88E4903714F0D91721/ glad my friends have their priorities straight when taking screenshots |
| 23:06.18 | Amarande | which game is that? TOR? |
| 23:06.58 | Amarande | well, apparently I've learned another good reason that I spend 130 bucks a month for AT&T instead of 55 for Virgin Mobile, heh |
| 23:07.03 | fewyn | bl2 |
| 23:07.05 | fewyn | borderlands 2 |
| 23:07.20 | Amarande | not only would I not be able to use Battle.net SMS Protect if I switched to the latter (and I would have to if I ever get D3 and want to deal in the RMAH) |
| 23:07.29 | Amarande | but ... Virgin Mobile uses the Sprint network. And around here at least, Sprint sucks. :P |
| 23:07.51 | Amarande | though, heh, Blizzard really needs to rethink their carrier restrictions for SMS Protect |
| 23:08.15 | Amarande | from what I understand, you actually cannot be absolutely sure to be able to get SMS Protect unless you not only have a contract phone, but have had a continuous contract on the same phone number for 10+ years |
| 23:08.33 | Amarande | there are reports of people WITH contract phones who can't get it either *wallbanger* |
| 23:08.58 | Amarande | apparently, it's possible for a number to be poisoned |
| 23:09.20 | Amarande | so it functions as a normal contract phone except with certain services that will insist it's not |
| 23:09.41 | Amarande | (I've not yet tried to sign up for SMS Protect or other such services so I have no idea if my number even is or not, heh) |
| 23:10.16 | Amarande | seems that the most specific issue is that if someone has a VOIP phone and migrates it to a contract cell carrier |
| 23:10.40 | Amarande | that number will go into that contract cell carrier's pool, but verification systems will end up having it still flagged as VOIP for up to *ten years* |
| 23:11.11 | Amarande | if that person eventually gives up their cell contract, and the number goes to someone else ... that customer in turn, can have a contract cell phone where the number insists it's VOIP :P |
| 23:11.52 | Amarande | I'm really still wondering why Blizzard cares what carrier people have, a text is a text no? |
| 23:12.01 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria: Best Buy Developer Chat - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206531/mists-of-pandaria-best-buy-developer-chat |
| 23:14.40 | jane | Amarande: no |
| 23:15.33 | Amarande | also, although there's an ever dwindling number of people in this day and age of smartphones who don't have one so it really is a moot point anyway |
| 23:15.50 | Amarande | but I'm still a little curious as to why a *data* plan is required for a phone based service that operates entirely via SMS :S |
| 23:16.07 | Amarande | you don't need a data plan to do texting, so it seems odd |
| 23:16.19 | jane | depends on how you send the text |
| 23:16.25 | Amarande | the whole thing seems a little obtuse, really |
| 23:16.41 | Amarande | but like I said, why do they care about the carrier so much? |
| 23:16.52 | jane | ...because it depends on how you send the text |
| 23:17.21 | Amarande | trying to *not* think it's the conspiracy theory that AT&T is giving them a break on hosting prices because it means a lot of people who might otherwise go prepaid stick with contract |
| 23:17.28 | jane | ...... |
| 23:17.30 | Amarande | (although, knowing AT&T, they probably do ... LOL) |
| 23:17.33 | jane | i give up |
| 23:18.14 | Amarande | "how you send the text"? |
| 23:18.30 | Amarande | I thought texts just all went through SMS, it's a pretty standard thing |
| 23:18.35 | jane | rofl |
| 23:18.51 | Amarande | unless you're doing something non-basic like attaching a photo |
| 23:18.58 | Amarande | but then it's not a plain SMS, it's usually a MMS |
| 23:19.00 | jane | yes, just like the internet is a pretty standard thing, fuck everything like routing |
| 23:20.15 | Amarande | well, the IPv4 protocols are quite well standardised |
| 23:20.30 | Amarande | even the most complex Web sites don't need to know if you're on DSL or cable or whether your ISP uses Juniper or Cisco routers, say |
| 23:20.33 | jane | thats not my point |
| 23:21.34 | jane | it doesn't matter how standard anything is, it's the routing that's the problem |
| 23:22.46 | Amarande | ah, more like some apps need to be aware of whether you're behind a NAT, then |
| 23:22.54 | jane | ...more specifically, peering |
| 23:23.29 | jane | i went through this when i had a client that wanted to send smses.. finding a service that had enough agreements with enough major operators |
| 23:23.54 | Amarande | ah, I'm guessing that's still a lot less "standard" than IPv4 |
| 23:24.07 | jane | it's all legal and nothing to do with technology |
| 23:24.40 | jane | for future reference, the company i went with is twilio, they are pretty fucking awesome. used them for some hobby projects too |
| 23:25.34 | jane | i also get the butt end of it when i use google voice sms |
| 23:25.42 | jane | a lot of services send them as emails and google voice can't handle that correctly |
| 23:26.20 | fewyn | http://uplol.fewyn.net/2012-09-18_19-26-26.png |
| 23:26.30 | jane | that's scary |
| 23:26.34 | fewyn | oh wait |
| 23:26.39 | fewyn | it has my beta data on it |
| 23:26.41 | fewyn | lol |
| 23:26.42 | jane | I wish /played didn't count afk time |
| 23:26.54 | jane | i just afk before raid all the time |
| 23:27.39 | fewyn | http://uplol.fewyn.net/2012-09-18_19-27-41.png |
| 23:28.10 | Owkkuri | 704 days |
| 23:29.08 | *** join/#wowhead Torhal (~torhal@c-71-207-224-241.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 23:29.27 | fewyn | Notholy is vanilla/tbc, fewyn on norg is tbc, felayn is tbc/wotlk, furwyn is wotlk, fewyn is wotlk/cata |
| 23:29.31 | fewyn | everything else are alts |
| 23:30.11 | Amarande | however, the money-minded part of me would still love to be able to switch eventually to a prepaid if I were to need to (although I'm probably going to be locking myself into two more years of AT&T sometime in the next few weeks anyway, heh, so not for a while) |
| 23:30.16 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 23:30.24 | Amarande | maybe when I get D3 I'll just play hardcore exclusively |
| 23:30.28 | Amarande | no RMAH in hardcore :P |
| 23:31.05 | jane | i dont understand why payg is not popular in the US |
| 23:31.14 | fewyn | payg? |
| 23:31.17 | jane | pay as you go |
| 23:31.24 | Amarande | jane: probably because for a long time, PAYG providers had far inferior phone selections |
| 23:31.27 | fewyn | because people don't want to be locked into contracts |
| 23:31.28 | jane | not anymore |
| 23:31.34 | Amarande | particularly, to get a decent smartphone of any sort, you needed to get a contract provider |
| 23:31.38 | Amarande | so people got contracts and stuck with them |
| 23:31.38 | jane | fewyn: exactly...so why is it unpopular |
| 23:31.48 | jane | only in the US |
| 23:31.55 | Amarande | especially since it's a PITA to switch providers usually even if you don't have an ETF to eat |
| 23:32.01 | jane | one of my friends made fun of me after i raged that at&t won't give me an upgrade after spending $250/month with them |
| 23:32.02 | Amarande | if you want to keep your number, anyway |
| 23:32.04 | fewyn | because until the last few eyars |
| 23:32.09 | fewyn | you couldn't get decent phones |
| 23:32.11 | jane | he's like lololol here in the UK... |
| 23:32.15 | fewyn | they were all nokia brick phones |
| 23:32.17 | jane | im paying way less than you for the same thing and no contract |
| 23:32.28 | jane | well yeah, now it's carrier opposition. but they dont even offer anything |
| 23:32.45 | jane | so people have no choice but to go with these obnoxious mvnos currently in the US if they want that |
| 23:32.47 | fewyn | i'm only with sprint because of better coverage |
| 23:33.03 | Amarande | on top of that, in very few cases can you switch your provider without having to buy a new phone on top of it |
| 23:33.10 | jane | even if i buy an unlocked iPhone i can't get a plan with at&t :/ |
| 23:33.14 | Amarande | keep in mind that in Europe, almost everything is GSM |
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| 23:36.07 | Stormscape | heh, was clicking around on ED, came across the Caramelldansen page, top of the page, and bolded: WORST MOTHERFUCKING MEME IN HISTORY. |
| 23:36.10 | Amarande | In the US, there's three or four different standards and you can't use any of the phones from one with another |
| 23:36.59 | Amarande | Even the two companies that use GSM (AT&T and T-Mobile) have incompatible 3G bands, so if you swap providers, your phone will be limited to 2G service (aka, suck) |
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| 23:38.09 | iraton | hello |
| 23:38.11 | iraton | anyone here? |
| 23:38.22 | Stormscape | Nope |
| 23:38.23 | Stormscape | Not a one |
| 23:38.30 | Amarande | jane: how about the poisoned number issue I noted, though ... what's the good logic behind that one, or is that in fact just a lame-o computer error? |
| 23:38.30 | iraton | lol ok |
| 23:38.40 | iraton | can any of you send me a scroll of resurection? |
| 23:38.51 | Amarande | namely, that numbers that were once sold as VOIP or prepaid phones |
| 23:39.22 | Amarande | if people migrate to contract phones later, for some reason the number can still get seen as being "sorry lmao prepaid" or "sorry lmao VOIP" for up to a decade |
| 23:39.34 | iraton | storm you got wow? |
| 23:39.50 | Amarande | and, what's worse, if you sign up for a contract phone, you can be assigned a number that *used to* be someone's prepaid or VOIP number in the past, and it's STILL flagged |
| 23:40.06 | Amarande | so you can only be sure of a number not being considered prepaid/VOIP if you maintain a cell contract for 10+ years on the same number |
| 23:40.09 | jane | Amarande: i'm guessing it's the same reason why my google voice account can't receive a lot of smses in the first place, although i don't know why porting a number makes a difference |
| 23:41.00 | Amarande | basically, I'm wondering why they don't take the VOIP or prepaid flag off the number when it gets moved to a contract provider |
| 23:41.08 | Amarande | and why it takes *years* for that flag to be removed |
| 23:44.03 | jane | don't ask me why that's the case, but i'm assuming that's just a quirk of the implementation blizz is using |
| 23:45.11 | jane | if blizz is doing it on purpose, i can kind of see why they won't let people do that so it's harder to abuse, since it's so trivial to get a phone number otherwise |
| 23:45.25 | jane | although its kinda dumb to do that |
| 23:46.52 | jane | you'd think there's other ways to cut down on possible fraud or whatever |
| 23:46.59 | jane | like requiring a verified paypal account |
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| 23:47.40 | Amarande | there's also some conspiracy theories that Blizz also wants to limit the cash-out option and keep most of the money going to Battle.net Balances instead, but I don't know how true that is |
| 23:47.53 | Amarande | I imagine a lot of people would care a lot less though, if they would do just one particular thing :P |
| 23:48.14 | Amarande | namely, actually let people pay for their WoW subscription with the B.net balance :S |
| 23:48.30 | jane | well verified paypal = verified bank account.. |
| 23:48.37 | jane | that would be far harder to scam than a phone number |
| 23:49.03 | Amarande | or, in general, actually make the B.net balance be more useful |
| 23:49.15 | Amarande | indeed, atm, it's pretty much patently useless for the folks who only play D3 |
| 23:49.34 | Amarande | virtually all the things you can actually do with it (unless you don't already own all the Blizz games you care about) are WoW character services |
| 23:50.01 | Amarande | and a $250 cap is only enough to buy one top-priced item in the RMAH, to boot |
| 23:51.04 | Amarande | can't buy WoW game time with it (hell, a lot of people probably wouldn't care at all if they added only this), can't buy WoW mounts or minipets with it (since it isn't usable in the Blizz Store), etc. |
| 23:51.41 | Amarande | jane: you need both a verified paypal *and* a contract phone to use RMAH cashout |
| 23:51.44 | Amarande | that's what people are railing about |
| 23:51.54 | jane | right, so why not any phone |
| 23:52.01 | jane | verified paypal is already good enough |
| 23:52.03 | Amarande | yeah, that's what people are saying |
| 23:52.24 | Amarande | and I can't really think of any logical reasons to forbid certain carriers except for two things |
| 23:52.25 | jane | yeah it's dumb |
| 23:52.35 | Amarande | either your indication that maybe they can't get the SMS to go through to some carriers due to peering arrangements |
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| 23:52.48 | jane | which is ridiculous to consider given blizzard's size |
| 23:52.59 | Amarande | or the conspiracy theory that because one of the largest contract providers is also one of Blizzard's primary ISPs, they're getting some kind of break from AT&T on server costs because of it |
| 23:53.12 | jane | if i can set up something to send smses to the vsat majority of phone owners worldwide for literally pennies |
| 23:53.19 | jane | that would be dumb |
| 23:53.21 | Amarande | (since there's apparently quite a number of players who would happily switch to Virgin if they didn't need to keep a contract phone for SMS Protect) |
| 23:53.23 | jane | that doesn't even make any sense |
| 23:53.45 | jane | the subset of RMAH users is miniscule in the face of what blizz pays/uses and at&t's customers |
| 23:54.15 | Amarande | heh, big-business deals rarely do. I wouldn't expect Blizzard to ask for it, but handing breaks to big partners seems like the kind of thing an old school megacorp like AT&T would do *shrug* |
| 23:54.38 | jane | except when you'er talking about a ridiculously small number of users that use AT&T and RMAH |
| 23:54.55 | jane | you're not talking millions of users |
| 23:55.12 | jane | anyway i'm curious how the RMAH requirements work in the EU |
| 23:55.28 | Amarande | yeah, there's apparently some countries where you can't cash out at all and can only use the B.net Balance |
| 23:55.40 | Amarande | although, there's a two-letter solution to all this, when I really think about it, heh |
| 23:55.42 | Amarande | it's called |
| 23:55.45 | Amarande | "play hardcore" |
| 23:55.47 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:55.59 | Amarande | there is no RMAH in Hardcore, so there you go :) |
| 23:59.20 | Amarande | not to mention, this avoids the inevitable horrificity when the last feature of D3 is rolled out |
| 23:59.22 | Amarande | namely PvP |
| 23:59.52 | Amarande | Given how gear-based D3 is, I'm guessing that in normal, once they roll it out, you don't stand a chance participating in it unless you spend literally four digits worth of real cash on the RMAH |
