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00:31.03 | Amarande | say |
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00:31.16 | Amarande | what quality level are battle pets that are obtained from other sources than capture considered to be? |
00:31.28 | Amarande | i.e., ones that you got as companion pet items prior to mop |
00:42.45 | fewyn | let's look and find out! |
00:43.10 | fewyn | name just shows up as yellow for clockwork gnome |
00:43.12 | fewyn | my grubbs |
00:43.13 | fewyn | etc |
00:43.15 | fewyn | mr |
00:46.02 | Amarande | and yay, once more back to the land of creepy wind |
00:49.10 | Jammer | Amarande: probably common |
00:49.49 | Jammer | there is a list which ones are epic tho |
00:49.54 | Jammer | some of the more rare ones |
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01:24.04 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Patch 5.0.5 Hotfixes: October 2nd - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206992/patch-5-0-5-hotfixes-october-2nd |
01:33.40 | Amarande | hm |
01:33.58 | Amarande | something weird, apparently related to crz. surprised there aren't a ton of newer players asking about it. |
01:34.05 | Amarande | especially since night elves tend to be popular with newer players |
01:34.25 | Amarande | specifically: in the nelf starting area (shadowglen), there's one quest where you have to go meet an NPC who's right next to the cave with the spiders in it |
01:34.34 | Amarande | however, the spider cave is considered part of Teldrassil rather than Shadowglen |
01:34.41 | Amarande | and she's RIGHT ON THE BOUNDARY |
01:34.53 | Amarande | with the result that she kept disappearing on me a number of times before I was able to actually talk to her, heh |
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03:50.29 | raspy | weee queue times again |
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03:53.59 | dares2dream | Hello |
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03:54.14 | dares2dream | hello |
03:54.20 | dares2dream | hello? |
03:54.45 | dares2dream | Anyone out there? |
03:55.12 | raspy | ?? |
03:55.22 | dares2dream | hello raspy |
03:55.25 | raspy | hey |
03:55.33 | dares2dream | whats happening? |
03:55.47 | raspy | not much bored just waiting to get in the game is all |
03:55.56 | dares2dream | Which game? |
03:56.01 | raspy | wow ofcourse |
03:56.08 | dares2dream | huh? |
03:56.19 | raspy | im on a high pop server |
03:56.38 | dares2dream | oooooh.... I got it now. It takes me a minute to process things |
03:59.05 | dares2dream | wait... nope I lost it |
03:59.56 | dares2dream | bye |
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08:00.12 | floppywaffle | yo ppl |
08:00.20 | floppywaffle | wheres the pvp merchants at? :) |
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09:59.08 | Already | Did blizz dramatically increase the forecast costs? |
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10:31.32 | Quark | Already, what are/is "forecast?" |
10:33.35 | Already | The jinyu Jogu at halfhill has an option to tell you what kind of seed will grow especially good today. AFAIK the price for this was 1G at first he asked 25G today and after doing one of the dailies for him it was 10G |
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12:17.02 | Stormscape | Why are people so bad at General Pavalak |
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12:30.56 | hownoob | Any1 for some BG spamming on alliance EU! |
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16:04.08 | eidyia | quiet group today |
16:08.52 | Already | Psss! Don't disturb the silence! |
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17:17.59 | TecnoBrat | HEY GUYS EIDYIA WANTS IT TO BE LOUDER IN HERE |
17:18.23 | TecnoBrat | DOMH FEWYN HOW ARE YOU GUYS TODAY? |
17:19.02 | fewyn | GOOD |
17:19.06 | fewyn | SERVERS ARE DOWN |
17:19.07 | fewyn | SO |
17:19.07 | fewyn | YEAH |
17:20.04 | eidyia | um... |
17:20.13 | eidyia | awkward |
17:20.44 | eidyia | that's why you're talking now - servers are down |
17:22.20 | fewyn | quick restarts they said |
17:22.24 | fewyn | it'll be fast they said |
17:24.03 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Raid Preview: Mogu'shan Vaults - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206940/raid-preview-mogushan-vaults |
17:24.24 | Stormscape | fewyn, should I go to Polish meat shop for kielbasa yes/no |
17:24.32 | fewyn | yes |
17:24.36 | tate | wth isa kielbasa |
17:24.43 | fewyn | what |
17:24.45 | Stormscape | what |
17:24.47 | tate | what |
17:24.54 | fewyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielbasa |
17:24.54 | tate | i'm typing in a hurry |
17:24.56 | tate | my people needs me |
17:25.01 | fewyn | it's delicious |
17:25.03 | tate | awwww yeah |
17:25.28 | Stormscape | I need to buy more than 1 ring though cause if I buy one I'll eat it before I get home |
17:25.30 | tate | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustamakkara |
17:25.33 | tate | awwww yeaaa |
17:26.07 | fewyn | velen's back up |
17:26.15 | Domh | yay |
17:26.22 | Domh | I only just noticed it was down |
17:26.25 | Stormscape | tate it literally looks like |
17:26.27 | Stormscape | a piece of poop |
17:26.35 | fewyn | but the good kind |
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17:38.08 | eidyia | so…now that the realms are up everyone is going afk again? |
17:38.19 | eidyia | #sadpanda |
17:39.42 | Sidar | weird, there was no login queue during the weekend, but in the weekdays there are lol |
17:39.59 | eidyia | Sidar: what else will people do at work? |
17:40.15 | Sidar | hehe |
17:50.04 | tate | Stormscape: aye |
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18:13.35 | Already | There are good and bad types of poop? |
18:15.16 | eidyia | Already: of course! just like there are good witches and bad witches |
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18:36.29 | g0urra | what happened to wowhead? there's like no script active |
18:39.11 | g0urra | or styling |
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18:44.33 | fewyn | working fine here g0urra |
18:45.19 | fewyn | still having that g0urra? |
18:45.26 | g0urra | yes |
18:45.34 | fewyn | screenshot? |
18:51.51 | g0urra | http://i.imgur.com/642us.png |
18:52.33 | Domh | Stop using Netscape Navigator 3? :p |
18:52.49 | g0urra | -_- |
18:53.15 | Domh | Looks like you're missing the CSS file perhaps. Tried clearing cache yet? |
18:53.27 | g0urra | yes. very many times. |
18:53.29 | fewyn | probably a cdn issue i've informed the devs |
18:53.49 | Domh | eh, works okay for me |
18:54.12 | fewyn | the closest server to g0urra probably has a bad file cached or something |
18:54.16 | Domh | I assume it affects all browsers, etc, etc |
18:54.21 | Domh | ah |
19:02.17 | Stormscape | I'm back and I have kielbassa |
19:02.19 | Stormscape | you jelly |
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19:11.36 | tate | i'm back and i have mountain dew and pizza |
19:18.48 | fewyn | you know what i enjoy most about mop? |
19:18.57 | fewyn | the amount of stuff that isn't raiding is awesome |
19:21.29 | fewyn | someone should write an addon that tells me which items i can trade in for kitchen storage |
19:21.41 | fewyn | and make using/buying them easier |
19:21.42 | Corgan | I wish the bags weren't unique |
19:21.47 | Corgan | so I could buy a bunch of them |
19:21.48 | fewyn | i still don't know why they are fucking unique |
19:21.48 | fewyn | srs |
19:21.51 | Corgan | yeah |
19:22.05 | Corgan | stupid -_- |
19:22.19 | fewyn | same with the archaeology crates |
19:22.28 | Corgan | those are unique? |
19:22.31 | fewyn | yep |
19:22.32 | Corgan | or do oyu mean |
19:22.35 | fewyn | the ones you buy |
19:22.37 | Corgan | the ones that you get other things from |
19:22.38 | Corgan | oh |
19:22.38 | fewyn | tol'vir frags |
19:22.39 | Corgan | weak |
19:22.39 | fewyn | and such |
19:22.42 | fewyn | yeah |
19:22.42 | Corgan | -_- |
19:22.45 | Corgan | how many frags in a box? |
19:22.52 | fewyn | like 8 |
19:22.56 | Corgan | D: |
19:23.06 | fewyn | i trade them in for tol'vir because i sitll need thew claw |
19:23.19 | Corgan | I've been buying the |
19:23.21 | Corgan | lodestones |
19:23.27 | Corgan | or whatever teleports you to a place |
19:23.33 | Corgan | it's quite nice |
19:23.38 | fewyn | i have 3 of 4 rares from pandaria |
19:23.54 | fewyn | umbrella, spear and dummy |
19:28.10 | eidyia | fewyn: did they update the non-panderan arch dig sites? |
19:28.17 | eidyia | like more digs / site? |
19:28.34 | fewyn | i don't think so |
19:28.37 | fewyn | i may be wrong |
19:28.42 | fewyn | new stuff is only in panda land |
19:28.55 | eidyia | hum... |
19:29.35 | eidyia | i guess i'll be trading with brann then |
19:38.56 | fewyn | the new "grey" solves are only worth 1g or you can turn them into a currency |
19:43.20 | eidyia | yah - the currency is to buy old fragments, r? |
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19:53.14 | Amarande | hmm. they wouldn't have happened to throw us any bones wrt archaeology, would they? |
19:53.19 | Amarande | like, particularly, lowering the level requirement on the 85 stuff so it's useful for leveling, like the axe from Northrend? |
19:55.37 | eidyia | lol |
19:55.38 | eidyia | true |
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20:22.02 | Still | I need some "show me all that worthless stuff in my bank"-addon |
20:23.44 | Amarande | speaking of things that are sitting in my bank, something occurred to me |
20:23.58 | Amarande | exactly *how* does the game determine eligibility to obtain Spirit Shards in Terokkar instances now? |
20:24.11 | fewyn | blizzard hates me |
20:24.15 | fewyn | guess which meta gem i'm missing |
20:24.15 | Amarande | given that, for instance, you may not have any power to even influence YOUR realm's version of Terokkar |
20:24.30 | Amarande | since you can only get there by chance, based on what server CRZ feels like putting you in when you visit |
20:25.22 | Amarande | I wonder, is it smart enough to think "well this would be where you'd be if you went to Terokkar yourself" and act accordingly |
20:25.57 | Amarande | or is there only a couple of lucky servers per data centre that get to get Spirit Shards, and the rest are ever ineligible because you can never get to that server's version of the zone in order to cap the towers? |
20:28.34 | Already | Even before CRZ this should've been a problem because Instance and World Servers are a seperate thing (AFAIK) and there already was a CRDF. So if there was a mapping why should it be broken now? |
20:30.37 | Amarande | Already: IIRC, when you used the dungeon finder to go to an Auchindoun instance, I *think* each person got spirit shards or not based on whether their particular server had the towers |
20:30.56 | Amarande | The problem now is that you may or may not be able to influence "your particular server's" towers anymore |
20:31.28 | Amarande | since, most likely, only one server of each type per datacentre is elected as the "host" server for the small number of people in Terokkar at any one time |
20:31.59 | Amarande | wouldn't it thus be that only those servers can ever get spirit shards, since only their towers can be capped and every other server would just be "owned by no one" since you can't access that server's version of Terokkar, or am I mistaken? |
20:38.37 | fewyn | hrm |
20:38.40 | fewyn | ring or neck vp item? |
20:39.16 | Already | Interesting thought! It would be one possible way. Another thing I could imagine (depending on how finly grained the CRZ mechanism is) is that the Terrokar Subzone is just not part of CRZ. |
20:40.19 | fewyn | hrm |
20:40.24 | fewyn | why isn't rating buster working |
20:41.03 | JunkHead | check wowace for new one |
20:41.04 | Amarande | Already: I imagine that would be the case if it was actually popular enough to matter (probably not the case, since spirit shards are only of use for the Exorcist's helms for mog) |
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20:41.30 | Amarande | comparing, for instance, WG and TB which were fairly quickly taken off of CRZ after this produced absolute and utter chaos |
20:41.51 | Amarande | though, also, WG and TB are every two hours, while Auchindoun can only be capped every six |
20:43.23 | fewyn | ring is bigger upgrade |
20:43.42 | g0urra | fewyn: does for me |
20:43.46 | Amarande | oh, yay. they got rid of gem requirements for meta gems? |
20:43.49 | fewyn | i dunno i just reloaded my ui |
20:43.52 | fewyn | in mop Amarande |
20:43.56 | fewyn | it works fine now |
20:44.29 | Amarande | yay. no more need to use ember temporarily on engineer mages, then. :) |
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20:47.14 | Already | Good point Amarande. Well I'd guess we'd have to test it out to find out. :/ |
20:48.18 | Amarande | And by "absolute and utter chaos" I mean WG and/or TB apparently spent days being owned by Alliance on Mal'Ganis. |
20:48.32 | Amarande | The idea of ANYTHING being owned for more than the shortest time, PvP-wise, by Alliance on Mal'Ganis is just laughable, LOL |
20:59.18 | fewyn | Corgan: |
20:59.19 | fewyn | /use Empty Giant Mantis Shrimp Container |
20:59.20 | fewyn | /run BuyMerchantItem(17,1) |
20:59.28 | fewyn | i'm using this macro |
20:59.57 | ari5av | screw you apple, for not letting me play diablo 2 on 10.7+ >:( |
21:01.16 | Already | The only ink i can't buy as a scribe is the hunter's ink which is needed to make mysterious darkmoon cards (low level ones) ... WHYYYYY Blizz? What am I supposed to do with 100 Blackfellow Ink? I guess I'll get a lot of Fortune Cards |
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21:10.10 | Amarande | hm |
21:10.31 | Amarande | They got rid of the minimum ilvl requirement on cata and up gems, too, it looks like ... |
21:11.17 | hylje | took a page off D3 |
21:16.29 | Already | I wonder what the idea behind "Scroll of Recall" for Inscription was. :S |
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21:28.27 | Amarande | heh. speaking of D3, people *still* believe that the RMAH is linked to drop rates :p |
21:29.25 | Amarande | I hope people in the areas of those people don't need too much aluminium foil to cook with, their local stores might be sold out :) |
21:33.28 | Amarande | well ... |
21:33.41 | Amarande | actually, I suspect there's probably one grain of truth to it, but not the kind of paranoia that people have. |
21:34.17 | Amarande | namely, that I suspect the drop rates are at least a smidge lower than they'd be if there wasn't an AH, simply in order that people might have some actual incentive to use the trading facility, heh |
21:34.42 | Amarande | after all, not much point of a trading facility if you can find everything easily enough on your own. heh |
21:39.36 | raspy | weeeee |
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21:39.59 | Paarn | I think the US presidential eleection pols affect the drop rate |
21:40.08 | Paarn | polls; |
21:40.15 | Paarn | election |
21:41.22 | Amarande | heh |
21:41.25 | raspy | hmmm only 1500 in queue to get in my server not bad |
21:41.27 | Amarande | that'll be the next theory, I'm sure |
21:41.48 | Amarande | Though I imagine the primary reason is the psychological "I'm perceiving that it's rare because I want it, therefore, it seems rarer" factor |
21:42.24 | Amarande | Let's put it this way, in D2 I looked at the drop rates for one high level mob, and noted this: the rarest item it drops is not, indeed, the super rare and sought after Zod rune. |
21:42.31 | Amarande | No, in fact, the rarest item it drops is a Minor Mana Potion. |
21:42.38 | Amarande | The difference is that nobody really *wants* a Minor Mana Potion. |
21:44.08 | raspy | oooh thats right i gotta skillup inscription on my drooid |
21:44.36 | Amarande | heh, you made your druid a scribe too? :) |
21:45.08 | Paarn | my druid is alch/insc |
21:48.21 | Amarande | ahh, I never do dual crafting on a character unless it's tailoring/ench |
21:48.34 | Amarande | otherwise, I always take the matching gathering profession and just one crafting one |
21:49.06 | Paarn | my hunter is herb/mine |
21:49.06 | Paarn | it works out |
21:50.09 | Amarande | Mind you, there are some people who are very insistent on min/maxing professions |
21:50.17 | Amarande | and will say things like that you shouldn't take mining at all unless you're a tank |
21:50.53 | Amarande | and before lifeblood became a haste buff, some folks would say that you shouldn't take herbalism at all on a raiding character, either have a dedicated non-instance-running alt for it or rely entirely on the AH |
21:51.16 | Paarn | I'm not a min/maxer |
21:51.25 | Paarn | but I don't really raid on my hunter either |
21:55.29 | Already | The only buyable rare ink is snowfall ink wth ... |
21:55.55 | raspy | meah wish it didnt cost so much to get one of the new belt buckles made |
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22:06.37 | Amarande | raspy: well, you could always level BS ... :) |
22:06.52 | Amarande | (Keep in mind, those of us who have leveled BS on a character in the past or present will tell you that it's called BS for a reason. :D) |
22:08.40 | Amarande | heh, speaking of metalworking, I wonder if anyone's still insisting people have been using exploits to get mining skill ups off of grey ghost iron nodes. :P |
22:10.17 | Already | The beginning of wisdom is to desire it. The end of wisdom is to theorycraft. |
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22:11.55 | Amarande | heh, yeah. it's a little much when people start to use MATLAB in order to eke out tiny little bits of further optimisation from characters |
22:12.16 | Amarande | well ... |
22:12.29 | Amarande | I guess that might have application for world/realm-first attempters, but that's about it |
22:12.57 | Amarande | and that only because you do need to eke out every little bit of optimisation in that case, because firsts tend to have to be attempted with what normal, sane raiders would call woefully inadequate gear |
22:13.15 | Amarande | as you don't have time to farm out optimal or even close gear for everyone if you want to have a shot at regional/realm first :S |
22:17.10 | Amarande | btw, as for the supposed "grey ghost iron node" exploit, there is no exploit |
22:17.14 | Amarande | it's solely a tooltip error |
22:17.52 | Already | It was the text on one of my fortune cards. ^^ |
22:17.57 | Amarande | the nodes were actually green, but got displayed grey by mistake |
22:29.04 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] New Site Feature: Method Livestreams - http://www.wowhead.com/news=207020/new-site-feature-method-livestreams |
22:33.40 | g0urra | fewyn: seems like cache is screwing up in sweden |
22:34.31 | fewyn | is it? |
22:34.38 | fewyn | where's limbero when i want to double check |
22:37.16 | zr | are tanking specs supposed to be viable for solo questing? |
22:37.51 | zr | or is it like, you can do quests as a tank to get some starter tank gear but it's going to be incredibly slow and tedious |
22:38.18 | Amarande | zr: every spec is viable for solo questing, but DPS specs tend to be faster |
22:38.49 | Amarande | And I'm guessing it's nowhere near quite as tedious as, say, soloing as a Guardian in LOTRO :) |
22:39.32 | g0urra | more like LOLOTRO |
22:39.32 | zr | I have a pretty high tolerance for that sort of thing I guess, my pally quested as holy for much of TBC |
22:40.16 | zr | then prot, and my warriors both leveled prot in wrath and cata |
22:40.37 | Amarande | Well, as a Guardian, you could be assured that you'd win almost any fight. You could also be assured that you would do it slowly. |
22:41.16 | Amarande | apparently, the days of super godly protadin leveling are gone, though |
22:41.24 | Amarande | even Maintankadin is recommending leveling as ret now |
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22:43.05 | zr | Yeah, I just tried ret so far on my 84.5 pally and I was blown away |
22:44.28 | zr | I have more 1-button wtfpwns than I know what do to with, and my gear isn't even decent |
22:45.49 | zr | between that and my 86 demo lock, I think my prot warrior is going to be a major change of pace lol |
22:46.18 | zr | demo lock is another spec that just vaporizes shit especially around 85 |
22:47.39 | PubliusMadison | At least now tank specs can just que dungeons to level consistently |
22:48.56 | zr | yeah, that's the other thing.. not really sure why I'm even considering questing as prot |
22:49.37 | Amarande | heh, I imagine that's part of the point |
22:49.40 | zr | I usually just spam randoms till I find a group of half-decent dps guildies or whatever and rack up the xp |
22:49.55 | Amarande | They want tank speccers in there tanking instances so others don't have horribad queues |
22:50.01 | zr | yup |
22:50.12 | Amarande | also so people know how to tank when they hit max level |
22:50.19 | zr | I love tanking too |
22:51.12 | zr | although doing the same 2-3 dungeons over and over, often with terribad kids while leveling can get old pretty quick too lol |
22:53.30 | Amarande | you mean, especially when you're at the level where the only random dungeon is Gnomer? :) |
22:54.37 | PubliusMadison | I love gnomeras a tank...."gaiz...I'm gonna grab soem stuff, ae it dwn kkthx" |
22:56.11 | Amarande | more thinking, it's rather long, and there are quite a number of ways for a player to wipe the group without doing anything that seems egregiously bad till it's too late |
22:56.55 | Amarande | (e.g., massive pulls caused by someone brushing up too close against the side of the recessed track area, causing a mob to aggro and then bring the entire upper side of the track with it as it tries to find a path ...) |
22:58.15 | PubliusMadison | Ohhh snap...I could be a gnome monk.... |
22:58.21 | PubliusMadison | I feel the need to re-sub |
22:58.26 | Amarande | and you can't even really get too angry at the guy who just wiped you in such a case |
22:58.38 | Amarande | since usually it happens as a result of there being one guy in the group who's just a little bit lower level than everyone else |
22:58.59 | Amarande | so everyone else is moseying along just fine, and then suddenly disaster because the low level guy didn't realise that his slightly larger aggro radius would bring doom upon everyone :) |
22:59.35 | Amarande | heh. I have actually suggested on occasion that optimally in a PUG the tank should be the lowest level character |
23:00.00 | PubliusMadison | Makes sense. |
23:02.32 | PubliusMadison | So raids came out next week, but you can't do Heroics until you beat reg raids? |
23:05.47 | Amarande | Publius: that's been the case for heroic raids for a while now |
23:07.18 | PubliusMadison | Yah, I know. It's more fun to see the kill videos when HM is just available |
23:07.24 | PubliusMadison | Nostaliga-glasses |
23:08.56 | PubliusMadison | So top raid groups are using craftables and beating HM bosses |
23:09.08 | PubliusMadison | Unless blizz upped difficulty of heroic |
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23:24.00 | zr | Amarande: yeah.. I have a bad habit of just leaving the group sometimes when that happens |
23:24.26 | zr | even though I know it's not their fault.. those people tend to do careless things again and again and it just turns into a tedious ordeal |
23:25.06 | zr | as a tank I know I can take a couple minutes to chill and then find a group hopefully without the token noob |
23:30.40 | zr | at the same time i know everyone makes mistakes. i don't just ditch a group because someone who is otherwise doing fine accidentally aggros something |
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23:34.10 | Already | If tell people that you're leaving you're already 80% nicer than most tanks. If you add a reason 95%. |
23:34.41 | Amarande | zr: yeah, what I meant about Gnomer is that it's long and there's lots of spots where it's easy for an innocent accidental aggro to become OMGoops |
23:36.48 | Already | I wonder why they didn't break up gnomer into several parts like evey other instance which was long. Like blackrock and such. |
23:38.14 | Already | Well gn8 everyone. :) |
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