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00:31.03Amarandesay
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00:31.16Amarandewhat quality level are battle pets that are obtained from other sources than capture considered to be?
00:31.28Amarandei.e., ones that you got as companion pet items prior to mop
00:42.45fewynlet's look and find out!
00:43.10fewynname just shows up as yellow for clockwork gnome
00:43.12fewynmy grubbs
00:43.13fewynetc
00:43.15fewynmr
00:46.02Amarandeand yay, once more back to the land of creepy wind
00:49.10JammerAmarande: probably common
00:49.49Jammerthere is a list which ones are epic tho
00:49.54Jammersome of the more rare ones
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01:24.04Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Patch 5.0.5 Hotfixes: October 2nd - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206992/patch-5-0-5-hotfixes-october-2nd
01:33.40Amarandehm
01:33.58Amarandesomething weird, apparently related to crz. surprised there aren't a ton of newer players asking about it.
01:34.05Amarandeespecially since night elves tend to be popular with newer players
01:34.25Amarandespecifically: in the nelf starting area (shadowglen), there's one quest where you have to go meet an NPC who's right next to the cave with the spiders in it
01:34.34Amarandehowever, the spider cave is considered part of Teldrassil rather than Shadowglen
01:34.41Amarandeand she's RIGHT ON THE BOUNDARY
01:34.53Amarandewith the result that she kept disappearing on me a number of times before I was able to actually talk to her, heh
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03:50.29raspyweee queue times again
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03:53.59dares2dreamHello
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03:54.14dares2dreamhello
03:54.20dares2dreamhello?
03:54.45dares2dreamAnyone out there?
03:55.12raspy??
03:55.22dares2dreamhello raspy
03:55.25raspyhey
03:55.33dares2dreamwhats happening?
03:55.47raspynot much bored just waiting to get in the game is all
03:55.56dares2dreamWhich game?
03:56.01raspywow ofcourse
03:56.08dares2dreamhuh?
03:56.19raspyim on a high pop server
03:56.38dares2dreamoooooh.... I got it now. It takes me a minute to process things
03:59.05dares2dreamwait... nope I lost it
03:59.56dares2dreambye
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08:00.12floppywaffleyo ppl
08:00.20floppywafflewheres the pvp merchants at? :)
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09:59.08AlreadyDid blizz dramatically increase the forecast costs?
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10:31.32QuarkAlready, what are/is "forecast?"
10:33.35AlreadyThe jinyu Jogu at halfhill has an option to tell you what kind of seed will grow especially good today. AFAIK the price for this was 1G at first he asked 25G today and after doing one of the dailies for him it was 10G
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12:17.02StormscapeWhy are people so bad at General Pavalak
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12:30.56hownoobAny1 for some BG spamming on alliance EU!
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13:00.22eidyiamorning!
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16:04.08eidyiaquiet group today
16:08.52AlreadyPsss! Don't disturb the silence!
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17:17.59TecnoBratHEY GUYS EIDYIA WANTS IT TO BE LOUDER IN HERE
17:18.23TecnoBratDOMH FEWYN HOW ARE YOU GUYS TODAY?
17:19.02fewynGOOD
17:19.06fewynSERVERS ARE DOWN
17:19.07fewynSO
17:19.07fewynYEAH
17:20.04eidyiaum...
17:20.13eidyiaawkward
17:20.44eidyiathat's why you're talking now - servers are down
17:22.20fewynquick restarts they said
17:22.24fewynit'll be fast they said
17:24.03Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Raid Preview: Mogu'shan Vaults - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206940/raid-preview-mogushan-vaults
17:24.24Stormscapefewyn, should I go to Polish meat shop for kielbasa yes/no
17:24.32fewynyes
17:24.36tatewth isa kielbasa
17:24.43fewynwhat
17:24.45Stormscapewhat
17:24.47tatewhat
17:24.54fewynhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielbasa
17:24.54tatei'm typing in a hurry
17:24.56tatemy people needs me
17:25.01fewynit's delicious
17:25.03tateawwww yeah
17:25.28StormscapeI need to buy more than 1 ring though cause if I buy one I'll eat it before I get home
17:25.30tatehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustamakkara
17:25.33tateawwww yeaaa
17:26.07fewynvelen's back up
17:26.15Domhyay
17:26.22DomhI only just noticed it was down
17:26.25Stormscapetate it literally looks like
17:26.27Stormscapea piece of poop
17:26.35fewynbut the good kind
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17:38.08eidyiaso…now that the realms are up everyone is going afk again?
17:38.19eidyia#sadpanda
17:39.42Sidarweird, there was no login queue during the weekend, but in the weekdays there are lol
17:39.59eidyiaSidar: what else will people do at work?
17:40.15Sidarhehe
17:50.04tateStormscape: aye
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18:13.35AlreadyThere are good and bad types of poop?
18:15.16eidyiaAlready: of course! just like there are good witches and bad witches
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18:36.29g0urrawhat happened to wowhead? there's like no script active
18:39.11g0urraor styling
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18:44.33fewynworking fine here g0urra
18:45.19fewynstill having that g0urra?
18:45.26g0urrayes
18:45.34fewynscreenshot?
18:51.51g0urrahttp://i.imgur.com/642us.png
18:52.33DomhStop using Netscape Navigator 3? :p
18:52.49g0urra-_-
18:53.15DomhLooks like you're missing the CSS file perhaps.  Tried clearing cache yet?
18:53.27g0urrayes. very many times.
18:53.29fewynprobably a cdn issue i've informed the devs
18:53.49Domheh, works okay for me
18:54.12fewynthe closest server to g0urra probably has a bad file cached or something
18:54.16DomhI assume it affects all browsers, etc, etc
18:54.21Domhah
19:02.17StormscapeI'm back and I have kielbassa
19:02.19Stormscapeyou jelly
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19:11.36tatei'm back and i have mountain dew and pizza
19:18.48fewynyou know what i enjoy most about mop?
19:18.57fewynthe amount of stuff that isn't raiding is awesome
19:21.29fewynsomeone should write an addon that tells me which items i can trade in for kitchen storage
19:21.41fewynand make using/buying them easier
19:21.42CorganI wish the bags weren't unique
19:21.47Corganso I could buy a bunch of them
19:21.48fewyni still don't know why they are fucking unique
19:21.48fewynsrs
19:21.51Corganyeah
19:22.05Corganstupid -_-
19:22.19fewynsame with the archaeology crates
19:22.28Corganthose are unique?
19:22.31fewynyep
19:22.32Corganor do oyu mean
19:22.35fewynthe ones you buy
19:22.37Corganthe ones that you get other things from
19:22.38Corganoh
19:22.38fewyntol'vir frags
19:22.39Corganweak
19:22.39fewynand such
19:22.42fewynyeah
19:22.42Corgan-_-
19:22.45Corganhow many frags in a box?
19:22.52fewynlike 8
19:22.56CorganD:
19:23.06fewyni trade them in for tol'vir because i sitll need thew claw
19:23.19CorganI've been buying the
19:23.21Corganlodestones
19:23.27Corganor whatever teleports you to a place
19:23.33Corganit's quite nice
19:23.38fewyni have 3 of 4 rares from pandaria
19:23.54fewynumbrella, spear and dummy
19:28.10eidyiafewyn: did they update the non-panderan arch dig sites?
19:28.17eidyialike more digs / site?
19:28.34fewyni don't think so
19:28.37fewyni may be wrong
19:28.42fewynnew stuff is only in panda land
19:28.55eidyiahum...
19:29.35eidyiai guess i'll be trading with brann then
19:38.56fewynthe new "grey" solves are only worth 1g or you can turn them into a currency
19:43.20eidyiayah - the currency is to buy old fragments, r?
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19:53.14Amarandehmm. they wouldn't have happened to throw us any bones wrt archaeology, would they?
19:53.19Amarandelike, particularly, lowering the level requirement on the 85 stuff so it's useful for leveling, like the axe from Northrend?
19:55.37eidyialol
19:55.38eidyiatrue
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20:22.02StillI need some "show me all that worthless stuff in my bank"-addon
20:23.44Amarandespeaking of things that are sitting in my bank, something occurred to me
20:23.58Amarandeexactly *how* does the game determine eligibility to obtain Spirit Shards in Terokkar instances now?
20:24.11fewynblizzard hates me
20:24.15fewynguess which meta gem i'm missing
20:24.15Amarandegiven that, for instance, you may not have any power to even influence YOUR realm's version of Terokkar
20:24.30Amarandesince you can only get there by chance, based on what server CRZ feels like putting you in when you visit
20:25.22AmarandeI wonder, is it smart enough to think "well this would be where you'd be if you went to Terokkar yourself" and act accordingly
20:25.57Amarandeor is there only a couple of lucky servers per data centre that get to get Spirit Shards, and the rest are ever ineligible because you can never get to that server's version of the zone in order to cap the towers?
20:28.34AlreadyEven before CRZ this should've been a problem because Instance and World Servers are a seperate thing (AFAIK) and there already was a CRDF. So if there was a mapping why should it be broken now?
20:30.37AmarandeAlready: IIRC, when you used the dungeon finder to go to an Auchindoun instance, I *think* each person got spirit shards or not based on whether their particular server had the towers
20:30.56AmarandeThe problem now is that you may or may not be able to influence "your particular server's" towers anymore
20:31.28Amarandesince, most likely, only one server of each type per datacentre is elected as the "host" server for the small number of people in Terokkar at any one time
20:31.59Amarandewouldn't it thus be that only those servers can ever get spirit shards, since only their towers can be capped and every other server would just be "owned by no one" since you can't access that server's version of Terokkar, or am I mistaken?
20:38.37fewynhrm
20:38.40fewynring or neck vp item?
20:39.16AlreadyInteresting thought! It would be one possible way. Another thing I could imagine (depending on how finly grained the CRZ mechanism is) is that the Terrokar Subzone is just not part of CRZ.
20:40.19fewynhrm
20:40.24fewynwhy isn't rating buster working
20:41.03JunkHeadcheck wowace for new one
20:41.04AmarandeAlready: I imagine that would be the case if it was actually popular enough to matter (probably not the case, since spirit shards are only of use for the Exorcist's helms for mog)
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20:41.30Amarandecomparing, for instance, WG and TB which were fairly quickly taken off of CRZ after this produced absolute and utter chaos
20:41.51Amarandethough, also, WG and TB are every two hours, while Auchindoun can only be capped every six
20:43.23fewynring is bigger upgrade
20:43.42g0urrafewyn: does for me
20:43.46Amarandeoh, yay. they got rid of gem requirements for meta gems?
20:43.49fewyni dunno i just reloaded my ui
20:43.52fewynin mop Amarande
20:43.56fewynit works fine now
20:44.29Amarandeyay. no more need to use ember temporarily on engineer mages, then. :)
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20:47.14AlreadyGood point Amarande. Well I'd guess we'd have to test it out to find out. :/
20:48.18AmarandeAnd by "absolute and utter chaos" I mean WG and/or TB apparently spent days being owned by Alliance on Mal'Ganis.
20:48.32AmarandeThe idea of ANYTHING being owned for more than the shortest time, PvP-wise, by Alliance on Mal'Ganis is just laughable, LOL
20:59.18fewynCorgan:
20:59.19fewyn/use Empty Giant Mantis Shrimp Container
20:59.20fewyn/run BuyMerchantItem(17,1)
20:59.28fewyni'm using this macro
20:59.57ari5avscrew you apple, for not letting me play diablo 2 on 10.7+  >:(
21:01.16AlreadyThe only ink i can't buy as a scribe is the hunter's ink which is needed to make mysterious darkmoon cards (low level ones) ... WHYYYYY Blizz? What am I supposed to do with 100 Blackfellow Ink? I guess I'll get a lot of Fortune Cards
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21:10.10Amarandehm
21:10.31AmarandeThey got rid of the minimum ilvl requirement on cata and up gems, too, it looks like ...
21:11.17hyljetook a page off D3
21:16.29AlreadyI wonder what the idea behind "Scroll of Recall" for Inscription was. :S
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21:28.27Amarandeheh. speaking of D3, people *still* believe that the RMAH is linked to drop rates :p
21:29.25AmarandeI hope people in the areas of those people don't need too much aluminium foil to cook with, their local stores might be sold out :)
21:33.28Amarandewell ...
21:33.41Amarandeactually, I suspect there's probably one grain of truth to it, but not the kind of paranoia that people have.
21:34.17Amarandenamely, that I suspect the drop rates are at least a smidge lower than they'd be if there wasn't an AH, simply in order that people might have some actual incentive to use the trading facility, heh
21:34.42Amarandeafter all, not much point of a trading facility if you can find everything easily enough on your own. heh
21:39.36raspyweeeee
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21:39.59PaarnI think the US presidential eleection pols affect the drop rate
21:40.08Paarnpolls;
21:40.15Paarnelection
21:41.22Amarandeheh
21:41.25raspyhmmm only 1500 in queue to get in my server not bad
21:41.27Amarandethat'll be the next theory, I'm sure
21:41.48AmarandeThough I imagine the primary reason is the psychological "I'm perceiving that it's rare because I want it, therefore, it seems rarer" factor
21:42.24AmarandeLet's put it this way, in D2 I looked at the drop rates for one high level mob, and noted this: the rarest item it drops is not, indeed, the super rare and sought after Zod rune.
21:42.31AmarandeNo, in fact, the rarest item it drops is a Minor Mana Potion.
21:42.38AmarandeThe difference is that nobody really *wants* a Minor Mana Potion.
21:44.08raspyoooh thats right i gotta skillup inscription on my drooid
21:44.36Amarandeheh, you made your druid a scribe too? :)
21:45.08Paarnmy druid is alch/insc
21:48.21Amarandeahh, I never do dual crafting on a character unless it's tailoring/ench
21:48.34Amarandeotherwise, I always take the matching gathering profession and just one crafting one
21:49.06Paarnmy hunter is herb/mine
21:49.06Paarnit works out
21:50.09AmarandeMind you, there are some people who are very insistent on min/maxing professions
21:50.17Amarandeand will say things like that you shouldn't take mining at all unless you're a tank
21:50.53Amarandeand before lifeblood became a haste buff, some folks would say that you shouldn't take herbalism at all on a raiding character, either have a dedicated non-instance-running alt for it or rely entirely on the AH
21:51.16PaarnI'm not a min/maxer
21:51.25Paarnbut I don't really raid on my hunter either
21:55.29AlreadyThe only buyable rare ink is snowfall ink wth ...
21:55.55raspymeah wish it didnt cost so much to get one of the new belt buckles made
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22:06.37Amaranderaspy: well, you could always level BS ... :)
22:06.52Amarande(Keep in mind, those of us who have leveled BS on a character in the past or present will tell you that it's called BS for a reason. :D)
22:08.40Amarandeheh, speaking of metalworking, I wonder if anyone's still insisting people have been using exploits to get mining skill ups off of grey ghost iron nodes. :P
22:10.17AlreadyThe beginning of wisdom is to desire it. The end of wisdom is to theorycraft.
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22:11.55Amarandeheh, yeah. it's a little much when people start to use MATLAB in order to eke out tiny little bits of further optimisation from characters
22:12.16Amarandewell ...
22:12.29AmarandeI guess that might have application for world/realm-first attempters, but that's about it
22:12.57Amarandeand that only because you do need to eke out every little bit of optimisation in that case, because firsts tend to have to be attempted with what normal, sane raiders would call woefully inadequate gear
22:13.15Amarandeas you don't have time to farm out optimal or even close gear for everyone if you want to have a shot at regional/realm first :S
22:17.10Amarandebtw, as for the supposed "grey ghost iron node" exploit, there is no exploit
22:17.14Amarandeit's solely a tooltip error
22:17.52AlreadyIt was the text on one of my fortune cards. ^^
22:17.57Amarandethe nodes were actually green, but got displayed grey by mistake
22:29.04Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] New Site Feature: Method Livestreams - http://www.wowhead.com/news=207020/new-site-feature-method-livestreams
22:33.40g0urrafewyn: seems like cache is screwing up in sweden
22:34.31fewynis it?
22:34.38fewynwhere's limbero when i want to double check
22:37.16zrare tanking specs supposed to be viable for solo questing?
22:37.51zror is it like, you can do quests as a tank to get some starter tank gear but it's going to be incredibly slow and tedious
22:38.18Amarandezr: every spec is viable for solo questing, but DPS specs tend to be faster
22:38.49AmarandeAnd I'm guessing it's nowhere near quite as tedious as, say, soloing as a Guardian in LOTRO :)
22:39.32g0urramore like LOLOTRO
22:39.32zrI have a pretty high tolerance for that sort of thing I guess, my pally quested as holy for much of TBC
22:40.16zrthen prot, and my warriors both leveled prot in wrath and cata
22:40.37AmarandeWell, as a Guardian, you could be assured that you'd win almost any fight. You could also be assured that you would do it slowly.
22:41.16Amarandeapparently, the days of super godly protadin leveling are gone, though
22:41.24Amarandeeven Maintankadin is recommending leveling as ret now
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22:43.05zrYeah, I just tried ret so far on my 84.5 pally and I was blown away
22:44.28zrI have more 1-button wtfpwns than I know what do to with, and my gear isn't even decent
22:45.49zrbetween that and my 86 demo lock, I think my prot warrior is going to be a major change of pace lol
22:46.18zrdemo lock is another spec that just vaporizes shit especially around 85
22:47.39PubliusMadisonAt least now tank specs can just que dungeons to level consistently
22:48.56zryeah, that's the other thing.. not really sure why I'm even considering questing as prot
22:49.37Amarandeheh, I imagine that's part of the point
22:49.40zrI usually just spam randoms till I find a group of half-decent dps guildies or whatever and rack up the xp
22:49.55AmarandeThey want tank speccers in there tanking instances so others don't have horribad queues
22:50.01zryup
22:50.12Amarandealso so people know how to tank when they hit max level
22:50.19zrI love tanking too
22:51.12zralthough doing the same 2-3 dungeons over and over, often with terribad kids while leveling can get old pretty quick too lol
22:53.30Amarandeyou mean, especially when you're at the level where the only random dungeon is Gnomer? :)
22:54.37PubliusMadisonI love gnomeras a tank...."gaiz...I'm gonna grab soem stuff, ae it dwn kkthx"
22:56.11Amarandemore thinking, it's rather long, and there are quite a number of ways for a player to wipe the group without doing anything that seems egregiously bad till it's too late
22:56.55Amarande(e.g., massive pulls caused by someone brushing up too close against the side of the recessed track area, causing a mob to aggro and then bring the entire upper side of the track with it as it tries to find a path ...)
22:58.15PubliusMadisonOhhh snap...I could be a gnome monk....
22:58.21PubliusMadisonI feel the need to re-sub
22:58.26Amarandeand you can't even really get too angry at the guy who just wiped you in such a case
22:58.38Amarandesince usually it happens as a result of there being one guy in the group who's just a little bit lower level than everyone else
22:58.59Amarandeso everyone else is moseying along just fine, and then suddenly disaster because the low level guy didn't realise that his slightly larger aggro radius would bring doom upon everyone :)
22:59.35Amarandeheh. I have actually suggested on occasion that optimally in a PUG the tank should be the lowest level character
23:00.00PubliusMadisonMakes sense.
23:02.32PubliusMadisonSo raids came out next week, but you can't do Heroics until you beat reg raids?
23:05.47AmarandePublius: that's been the case for heroic raids for a while now
23:07.18PubliusMadisonYah, I know. It's more fun to see the kill videos when HM is just available
23:07.24PubliusMadisonNostaliga-glasses
23:08.56PubliusMadisonSo top raid groups are using craftables and beating HM bosses
23:09.08PubliusMadisonUnless blizz upped difficulty of heroic
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23:24.00zrAmarande: yeah.. I have a bad habit of just leaving the group sometimes when that happens
23:24.26zreven though I know it's not their fault.. those people tend to do careless things again and again and it just turns into a tedious ordeal
23:25.06zras a tank I know I can take a couple minutes to chill and then find a group hopefully without the token noob
23:30.40zrat the same time i know everyone makes mistakes.  i don't just ditch a group because someone who is otherwise doing fine accidentally aggros something
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23:34.10AlreadyIf tell people that you're leaving you're already 80% nicer than most tanks. If you add a reason 95%.
23:34.41Amarandezr: yeah, what I meant about Gnomer is that it's long and there's lots of spots where it's easy for an innocent accidental aggro to become OMGoops
23:36.48AlreadyI wonder why they didn't break up gnomer into several parts like evey other instance which was long. Like blackrock and such.
23:38.14AlreadyWell gn8 everyone. :)
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