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| 15:08.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Pet Battles: Leveling by Zone - http://www.wowhead.com/news=207144/pet-battles-leveling-by-zone |
| 15:16.45 | JunkHead | man.. this first set of golden lotus quests is awful. |
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| 15:25.53 | Paaarn | JunkHead: try grouping; |
| 15:29.44 | JunkHead | i did. |
| 15:29.51 | JunkHead | half the time noone joined me |
| 15:29.59 | JunkHead | but even in a group its still a pain |
| 15:30.49 | Paaarn | the only issue I have is them being overcamped |
| 15:30.56 | JunkHead | oh yeah... |
| 15:31.00 | JunkHead | all day long on my server |
| 15:34.51 | Paaarn | when do those reputation changes go live so your alt gets 2x rep? |
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| 15:56.37 | fewyn | 5.1 |
| 15:56.38 | fewyn | probably |
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| 16:57.36 | Ward | just did Sha of Anger |
| 16:57.39 | Ward | 2 epics richer |
| 16:58.12 | Coreclown | :D |
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| 17:09.25 | Ward | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/outland/Wardian/advanced |
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| 17:40.31 | kullervo | football: as directed by Michael Bay |
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| 18:59.03 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Pet Battles: Leveling by Zone, October 12th Hotfixes - http://www.wowhead.com/news=207144/pet-battles-leveling-by-zone-october-12th-hotfixes |
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| 19:20.51 | fewyn | up to 318,936g 38s 46c |
| 19:40.39 | raspy | lol blood legion finally cleared final boss in mv |
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| 21:24.04 | fewyn | why can't people learn simple mechanics |
| 21:24.17 | fewyn | run out when you have a big purple circle around you |
| 21:24.21 | fewyn | is it really that hard? |
| 21:25.45 | Elkano | years of research have prooven: yes, it is... |
| 21:36.47 | Already | fewyn with that much gold you'll be able to win an auction or buy some mounts! Oh and yes "don't stand in stuff" is at the same level. |
| 21:37.59 | fewyn | i'm working torwards gold cap |
| 21:38.59 | Already | Reaching the gold cap by just doing dailies is nearly impossible so i don't even try. But GL on your way. |
| 21:40.53 | Already | Oh and one of the nicest things today: Having a level 88 pala in the vale of eternal blossoms announce that he's going to tanke the jinyu rare. Yes that means he just stood in front of him while he was channeling rain dance ... at least for a couple of seconds. |
| 21:40.56 | kullervo | fewyn: can I have a link to your auctions |
| 21:41.55 | fewyn | https://theunderminejournal.com/seller.php?realm=A-Velen&seller=Cakecicle |
| 21:42.09 | ArcSane | Stop encouraging him :p |
| 21:42.19 | fewyn | hey |
| 21:42.22 | fewyn | you're whitelisted |
| 21:42.24 | fewyn | so stop complaining |
| 21:43.13 | kullervo | lol |
| 21:43.23 | fewyn | the only time i undercut you domh is if someone already undercut you |
| 21:43.44 | ArcSane | haha, I haven't posted much this week anyway. Was just making noise :p |
| 21:45.13 | fewyn | now that i can trade down ink of dreams i'm doing glyphs again |
| 21:45.36 | Already | You're telling me you're selling glyphs? Last time i checked nobody wanted my glyphs while i was giving them away for free. |
| 21:45.45 | fewyn | yes |
| 21:45.50 | fewyn | i'm selling pretty steady |
| 21:46.00 | fewyn | there's a bunch that don't sell that well but i keepp them in stock anyways |
| 21:46.16 | ArcSane | I got tot he point where I was getting undercut too many times. was only making about 600g a day |
| 21:46.31 | fewyn | i've made.... 25k? just today i think |
| 21:46.42 | ArcSane | 25k in glyphs or with everything? |
| 21:46.45 | kullervo | my idol |
| 21:46.48 | fewyn | everything |
| 21:46.51 | kullervo | and this isn't sarcasm |
| 21:47.39 | Already | I think since release i sold 2 glyphs or so for 50g?! Well I'm probably making the wrong ones and don't care enough about the market. Still I wonder why nobody wants my glyphs even if i'm giving them away for free. XD |
| 21:49.00 | Amarande | Already: since perma glyph learning, fewer and fewer players still lack glyphs |
| 21:49.20 | Amarande | except for monks, and they usually can just have a guildie or alt make pretty much all of those for them right off the bat |
| 21:49.28 | fewyn | i've been selling inscriptions too |
| 21:49.33 | fewyn | those are doing fairly well |
| 21:49.36 | fewyn | plus the new pets |
| 21:49.37 | Amarande | (well, except for the minor monk glyphs, anyway, since it's completely random who has what as yet) |
| 21:50.28 | Amarande | speaking of monk glyphs, there's apparently one that is 100% gold-plated, cast-iron useless |
| 21:50.41 | Amarande | as in, it literally can't do anything at all. |
| 21:50.58 | Already | So it's probably the one i had for leveling. XD |
| 21:51.09 | Amarande | heh, the worthless one is Glyph of Fists of Fury |
| 21:51.21 | Amarande | "When channeling Fists of Fury, your parry chance is increased by 100%." |
| 21:51.22 | Already | Okay i didn't have that one. |
| 21:51.25 | Amarande | Can we see what's wrong with this picture? :) |
| 21:51.46 | fewyn | no because i don't understand anything about monks |
| 21:52.03 | Amarande | One. Fists of Fury stuns mobs that are in front of you while you channel it. |
| 21:52.10 | Amarande | Two. You can only parry attacks from mobs that are in front of you. |
| 21:52.30 | Amarande | Ergo, you have a glyph that lets you ... parry attacks from mobs that, while channeling the applicable skill, will be stunned! Useful indeed. :P |
| 21:53.08 | ArcSane | so it stuns mobs infront of you and gives you parry to handle stun immune ones. What's the issue? |
| 21:53.50 | Amarande | ah, yeah, the one or two mobs in the game that are stun immune where it matters, heh |
| 21:53.55 | ArcSane | . .. bosses? |
| 21:54.03 | Amarande | my guildie and I were thinking "okay, this mob lets you parry attacks from mobs that can't attack you under the circumstances anyway" |
| 21:54.27 | Amarande | ArcSane: I understood FoF to be a DPS monk ability |
| 21:54.40 | ArcSane | Ah. I don't know enough about monks to know if it is or not |
| 21:54.53 | ArcSane | still with some tanks I've had that's useful just the same >_> |
| 21:55.00 | ArcSane | might be a pvp oriented thing? |
| 21:55.06 | Amarande | If you're being attacked as DPS, unless you're doing very specific fights where a DPS has to serve as an ad hoc off-tank (e.g., how a ranged DPS often served as Keleseth tank on Princes) generally You're Doing It Wrong. :) |
| 21:56.32 | Amarande | ah, didn't really think of PvP |
| 21:56.47 | Amarande | not that players are usually stun immune |
| 21:57.01 | Amarande | (do hunters even still have the "can't be CC'd" buff ability in MoP?) |
| 21:57.10 | ArcSane | no but a lot of them have pvp trinkets |
| 21:57.16 | ArcSane | I'm sure there's a reasoning for it somewhere |
| 21:57.32 | kullervo | Amarande, ArcSane it's for boss monsters which cannot be stunned |
| 21:57.35 | kullervo | a tank ability |
| 21:57.51 | ArcSane | k,that's what I was thinking |
| 21:59.13 | Amarande | at some point I need to actually level my monk and actually experience these abilities, I think :) |
| 21:59.45 | Amarande | also, ArcSane, did you just say that when you pull aggro, you blame the tank? :| |
| 21:59.57 | ArcSane | When I pull aggro healing, yes. Yes I do :p |
| 22:00.30 | Amarande | hmm, what other glyphs have I encountered recently that seem low in usefulness |
| 22:00.58 | Amarande | I'm not very fond of the Consecrate glyph, although I will learn it anyway on the pally just to have a full glyph set (leveling a scribe, it seems silly to not have a full glyph set on everyone eventually) |
| 22:01.17 | Amarande | it looks like that glyph gives you a pally tank that handles like a DK tank |
| 22:01.33 | Already | I'm so glad they finially removed those darn books. |
| 22:01.49 | Amarande | and given that one of the chief things I hated about DK tanking was the fact that the flow of battle was badly marred by the mechanics of DnD ... |
| 22:02.04 | Amarande | specifically, I like how with consecrate you push the button and it lays down and you can keep up your battle flow |
| 22:02.10 | Amarande | with DnD, you have to stop to put down the damn reticle |
| 22:02.46 | Amarande | Already: now if they'd just get rid of the CD on research :) |
| 22:03.33 | Amarande | It really doesn't serve a practical purpose anymore, much like CDs on lower level alchemy stuff, quite a number of which were ditched as well |
| 22:04.11 | Amarande | actually, heh, maybe it does serve a practical purpose (although for Blizzard, not the player :P) |
| 22:05.09 | Already | There are some stupid limitations. Like the one for converting lesser into elder charms. It's a weekly quest and i already have enogh lesser charms for the next five weeks. |
| 22:05.30 | Amarande | I mean, it occurred to me, well, the research CD had a point at the very beginnings of Wrath (and maybe Cata, I can't remember how many new minor glyphs if any were added in cata) |
| 22:06.04 | Amarande | where it served to give everyone a limited, randomised set of minor glyphs for a while, thus helping each budding scribe by giving them something few others had (and thus that they could put a higher price point on) |
| 22:06.42 | Amarande | however, now that so many scribes have all the minor glyphs known already and have had them for ages, it just serves as a roadblock in getting a newer character's recipe book up to speed |
| 22:07.08 | Amarande | (of course, this is useful for Blizzard, because it means that you have to play - and be subscribed - that many days to get all the minor glyphs, but really ... that isn't the kind of thing I would want to depend upon to keep subs :P) |
| 22:08.03 | Amarande | Actually, IIRC that's why they dragged their feet for so long with the Books of Glyph Mastery. |
| 22:08.38 | Amarande | That was a market thing too, they had to know a lot of scribes were happy with the fact that the number of scribes per server that knew those glyphs was much smaller, and could make more money off of them |
| 22:08.43 | Already | idk maybe i'm just not getting my servers economy or it has a bad one but i've never been able to really make money with inscription. It's always been like "yeha provide the mats i'll give you 10g", if i was lucky. Maybe shoulder enchants will change something about this but still i think there is something off about inscription and maybe about professions in wow in general. |
| 22:08.50 | Amarande | (which, indeed, Undermine Journal etc. substantiated) |
| 22:09.31 | Amarande | yeah, there is the matter of professions not being anywhere near equals in terms of money making potential, at least |
| 22:10.09 | Amarande | it's something every engineer learns to swallow during "Handful of Copper Bolts and You" |
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| 22:12.02 | Already | Oh yeha i've heard about that. At least they got some, really expensive, mounts and some gimicks. |
| 22:12.12 | Amarande | meanwhile, alchemists trawl in gold by the truckful and make most of the other professions seem ... poor |
| 22:13.14 | Amarande | even enchanters (although the lot of enchanters seems to vary considerably from patch to patch) |
| 22:13.43 | Ward | I made good money from enchanting/tailoring in the first weeks |
| 22:14.00 | Ward | the market was flooded with cheap cloth |
| 22:14.13 | Ward | so you could make cheap bracers, DE em into spirit dust and turn the dust into essences |
| 22:14.27 | Ward | turn 20g worth of cloth into 50g worth of enchanting mats |
| 22:14.29 | Mewtwo | galleon just spawned on my realm. |
| 22:14.40 | Amarande | I've also never quite understood why JCs are given so little love from Wrath onward |
| 22:14.41 | Ward | I did Sha of Fear today, pretty fun |
| 22:14.44 | Ward | massive 40 raid |
| 22:14.47 | Mewtwo | and i got TWO drops from it, one from him, and a second from the bonus roll |
| 22:15.04 | Mewtwo | ring and chestpiece. |
| 22:15.24 | Amarande | let's see ... JCs are the only primary profession that depends so entirely upon dailies in order to be able to get most of their patterns |
| 22:15.37 | Already | My first run LFR and Sha of Anger all netted me 60g per boss. |
| 22:15.48 | ArcSane | Scribes need to do daily research |
| 22:16.00 | ArcSane | alch's used to have to do daily research |
| 22:16.03 | Already | But it's login *click* logout |
| 22:16.04 | Amarande | even in Cata ... BS? You bought your patterns with basic bars. JC? You have to use daily-quest-only tokens |
| 22:16.12 | Ward | check out my new shoulders |
| 22:16.13 | Ward | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/outland/Wardian/advanced |
| 22:16.17 | Ward | Sha of Fear rocks |
| 22:16.19 | Amarande | Yeah. Scribe research is login-click-logout. |
| 22:16.23 | Ward | Gloves I mean |
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| 22:16.37 | Ward | Sha dropped me some tier gloves |
| 22:16.42 | Amarande | Also, you always get a new pattern every day (while it takes the better part of a week to get a single pattern as a JC, since most things tend to cost 3-4 tokens or so, and that usually gets higher when epic patterns come out) |
| 22:16.57 | Ward | JC atm is discovery too |
| 22:17.01 | Ward | make a gem a day |
| 22:17.10 | Ward | no more daily quest |
| 22:17.17 | Amarande | ah, I see they found sanity |
| 22:17.31 | Amarande | do JC still have to hunt down loads of world drops to fill in their recipe list at zen master level? |
| 22:18.00 | fewyn | only meta gems |
| 22:18.03 | fewyn | which are world drops |
| 22:18.04 | Amarande | I know they were pretty much the only profession that as of Cata still had that many of their patterns as random world drops (usually BoP too so you couldn't use the AH like in days of yore) |
| 22:18.10 | fewyn | i had all but one by the time i hit 90 |
| 22:18.23 | fewyn | sadly the one i needed was the one i actually used |
| 22:19.29 | Amarande | hopefully, then, they get back (and with Engineering, too) to the one other problem that JCs and Engineers have had since Wrath |
| 22:20.24 | Amarande | namely, that you get an initial rollout of first-tier epic crafts, which even are often easier to get than many other professions' epic crafts (you often get them from trainer or daily quest vendor, unlike, say, tailoring where you get the fun of super rare epic patterns that cost 300k on the AH heh) |
| 22:20.34 | Amarande | *but* |
| 22:20.51 | Amarande | the last time they gave JCs or engineers any upgrades to these patterns with later tiers (excepting PvP gear), was to my recollection BC |
| 22:21.13 | Amarande | (and I'm also discounting epic gems, which were another galloping failtrain in Cata, although they did well in Wrath) |
| 22:21.59 | Already | I just cliked around on the undermine journal and got a question about it as i'm not all that great at statistics ... especially in a foreign language. The standard deviation should be equal to the mean price or zero to indicate a stable price? |
| 22:22.02 | Amarande | BS, LW, Tailoring all got upgrades all the way up to the top tier, but JCs didn't get any new epic ring or neck recipes |
| 22:22.46 | Ward | not all professions are equal |
| 22:22.48 | Ward | it´s a choice |
| 22:22.50 | Amarande | and Engineers didn't get any new goggles (I think all they got in Wrath post 3.0 was those bullets and arrows that were good for one patch cycle before they did away with ammo altogether, and all they got in Cata post 4.0 was that one ranged weapon recipe from Guardians of Hyjal) |
| 22:22.59 | Ward | Engineers did get epic googles |
| 22:23.05 | Ward | very nice ones actually |
| 22:23.11 | Ward | better than the crafted tailoring stuff |
| 22:23.12 | Amarande | Ward: what I mean is, you get one tier of epic goggles when the expansion releases |
| 22:23.41 | Amarande | but the last time they gave you new tiers of goggles to make goggles still a viable choice later on, was BC |
| 22:23.55 | Amarande | in Wrath and Cata they were good only as a starter level epic, and that was it |
| 22:24.30 | Amarande | wonder if they'll fix that with MoP |
| 22:25.05 | Already | That's why i haven't crafted my inscription epic staff yet "you have to make 20 days worth of scroll of wisdom ... to get a staff that will most likely be replaced with the first real epic?" |
| 22:26.37 | Amarande | Already: don't forget that you need scroll of wisdom to learn the MoP minor glyphs |
| 22:26.49 | Amarande | ... I'm guessing that MoP minor glyphs are going to not be very common for quite a while |
| 22:27.41 | Already | You do? Hmm i think i missed that till now. Do i have ot make those damn paintings? |
| 22:29.54 | Amarande | according to Ackis Recipe List, you use the scroll of wisdom as an item to learn a random minor glyph |
| 22:30.37 | Amarande | ah, wait |
| 22:30.43 | Amarande | no, it's a much brighter thing. :) |
| 22:30.51 | Amarande | you apparently get a chance to learn a minor glyph each time you MAKE a scroll of wisdom |
| 22:30.53 | Amarande | which is way better :) |
| 22:31.34 | Already | Yeha it's the new research skill without getting any useless scrolls. :) |
| 22:34.13 | Ward | I´m 3 professions away from Master of All |
| 22:34.16 | Ward | BS, herbing and skinning |
| 22:34.36 | Amarande | you maxed alchemy and inscription but didn't max herbalism? |
| 22:34.42 | Ward | yeah |
| 22:34.46 | Amarande | or did you rely mostly on the AH for the mats? |
| 22:34.47 | Ward | I didn´t even have a herber char |
| 22:34.56 | Ward | my guild contributed most for inscription |
| 22:35.00 | Ward | since I´m the guild scribe |
| 22:35.07 | Ward | for alchemy I bought on the AH |
| 22:35.18 | Amarande | skinning seems like it should be easy but for two things |
| 22:35.34 | Amarande | one, I'm told there's not nearly so many animals in Pandaria as there were in Cata zones |
| 22:35.51 | Amarande | two, unless it's worn off already, the ability to actually skin most of the mobs you kill |
| 22:35.59 | Ward | skinning is super easy |
| 22:36.05 | Ward | in the daily area in four winds |
| 22:36.13 | Ward | just skin other people´s kills |
| 22:36.16 | Ward | tons of em there |
| 22:36.27 | Amarande | (as I've noted before, I remember when Cata was new and I was in Vashj'ir, a problem was managing to skin mobs before the next challenger would step up to the plate and interrupt you, since how busy it was made the respawns THAT rapid) |
| 22:36.40 | Already | I wonder why there is no tome to teach your twinks flying in MOP |
| 22:37.01 | Amarande | Already, you need to be level 90 to fly anyway, how would a tome benefit? |
| 22:37.39 | Amarande | (well, unless you leveled 85-90 entirely via dungeons as tank or healer and never actually set foot in panda-land till 90 I guess, but I don't know if you even can queue for panda dungeons before you hit Pandaria, in order to avoid issues if you die and spirit rez without having reached panda-land properly) |
| 22:37.54 | Already | Wasn't it different for WotLK? You had to be max level the first time but were able to send a tome for to a twink which required a lower level |
| 22:38.34 | Amarande | You had to be 77 to fly initially, eventually lowered to 68 |
| 22:38.53 | Amarande | however, I'm pretty sure the tomes weren't available at Wrath release, it wasn't till a couple patches later? *scratch* |
| 22:38.56 | fewyn | you got flight at 77 and once you hit 80 you could buy a tome that you could send to alts to learn it at 70 |
| 22:39.06 | fewyn | i think it was implemented in the .1 patch |
| 22:39.08 | fewyn | i think |
| 22:39.25 | Amarande | in any case, it doesn't make sense for there to be a twink tome in Pandaria till they reduce the level requirement from 90 |
| 22:39.41 | fewyn | The [Cold Weather Flying] skill costs 500. This non-discountable training grants players the ability to also use their flying mounts in Northrend and requires level 68 and expert riding skill. Before Patch 4.0.1, only level 80 characters were are able to buy this training directly for 1000. In Patch 3.2.0, a bind to account heirloom, the [Tome of Cold Weather Flight], was made available for |
| 22:39.41 | fewyn | level 80 characters to purchase for 1000, which allowed characters of level 68 to learn the spell making flight in Northrend possible from an even earlier level. Patch 4.0.1 made the tome redundant, so it was removed. |
| 22:39.46 | fewyn | http://www.wowpedia.org/Mount |
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| 22:42.31 | Already | So it's probably going to take some time till we get something similar. :) |
| 22:42.38 | Already | Well with this i'm off to bed. |
| 22:42.43 | Already | Gn8 everyone! |
| 22:45.16 | Amarande | ugh, 25-100k for a darkmoon card |
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| 22:45.43 | Amarande | am I guessing correctly that gearing up each alt when you hit 90, especially later on in the expansion where a higher standard is expected out of the gate, is going to be a tidy matter of six figures? |
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| 23:12.11 | Paaarn | no, you're making a wild assumption |
| 23:13.29 | Amarande | that's if I can peel myself away from Zilch long enough to actually level alts |
| 23:13.30 | Amarande | dammit |
| 23:21.14 | Amarande | WHY DID I HAVE TO START PLAYING THIS DICE GAME |
| 23:21.15 | Amarande | :| |
| 23:22.15 | Amarande | Mind you, it's fun, or I wouldn't be playing it. But ... it also makes WoW seem un-addicting by comparison, heh |
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| 23:47.30 | fewyn | second character is now 87 |
| 23:56.48 | kullervo | do you know of any working cooldown tracker that can separate cooldowns to different bars? |
| 23:59.03 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Method's World First 25s Heroic Will of the Emperor Kill Video - http://www.wowhead.com/news=207336/methods-world-first-25s-heroic-will-of-the-emperor-kill-video |
