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| 01:26.14 | JunkHead | Yo |
| 01:26.23 | JunkHead | Anyone here play resto shaman? |
| 01:26.28 | JunkHead | i need some advice |
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| 01:37.06 | Domh | I do off and on, but it's not my mian this expac. |
| 01:37.45 | Domh | It was last expac though |
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| 01:40.54 | Arideni | oh |
| 01:40.55 | Arideni | my |
| 01:40.55 | Arideni | gosh |
| 01:41.05 | Arideni | You can create H and A on PVP realms now?! |
| 01:41.35 | Domh | Since cata or sometime in wrath, yes |
| 01:41.45 | Arideni | ...how can one exploit the AH in this manner? lmao |
| 01:42.02 | Domh | Not easily since the neutral ah takes a 15% cut |
| 01:42.24 | Domh | there's some niches though |
| 01:42.26 | Arideni | Ah, I see, but for items you could shop on the opposing AH and use that to transfer them? |
| 01:42.47 | Domh | You'd need a second account |
| 01:42.49 | Arideni | Illidan is hard to find items on the AH as there's only 12k alliance |
| 01:42.55 | Domh | you're unable to buy auctions one of your alts has posted |
| 01:42.59 | Arideni | that's right, gah |
| 01:43.19 | Arideni | Or a friend's account? |
| 01:44.01 | Arideni | hrm yes, yes I could get my friend to help lol |
| 01:52.28 | Amarande | now one thing that *does* occur to me is |
| 01:52.57 | Amarande | a good way to get a quick buck when rolling on a brand new realm, would be to buy or obtain a minipet that's really expensive on that realm but affordable on the realm that you've been playing on |
| 01:52.59 | Ac-town | JunkHead: I mained resto in wrath and have done a bit during this xpac |
| 01:53.08 | Amarande | learn it, then cage it on the new realm & sell it |
| 01:53.51 | Amarande | hmm. things are usually cheaper on the ultra pop realms, right? wonder if you could do things like get a 90 on somewhere like illidan or tich, buy hyacinth macaws or such to then resell on your lower pop realm for bigger cash :) |
| 01:53.56 | Amarande | or would that lead to a ban for "exploiting the economy" heh |
| 01:54.36 | JunkHead | killed sha. got ele legs. |
| 01:54.39 | JunkHead | happy day |
| 01:54.52 | Amarande | is there really that much difference between resto and ele shaman gear? :S |
| 01:54.57 | JunkHead | nope |
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| 01:55.11 | Amarande | yeah, that would be shooting themselves in the foot if there was, now that hunters don't use mana :) |
| 01:55.11 | JunkHead | im gonan use these for resto |
| 01:55.28 | Amarande | actually, sometimes it's occurred to me that they could do an even further level of gear streamlining now |
| 01:55.36 | Amarande | one that a lot of players would probably find really useful, too |
| 01:56.11 | Amarande | namely: there seems to be very little difference between Str and Agi anymore, except that some classes use one and others use the other, but in either case, the primary stat seems basically the same in nature |
| 01:56.27 | Amarande | why not just stop having them as two separate stats and merge them into one unified "physical power" stat? |
| 02:05.12 | Arideni | Amarande: That's a good little idea. |
| 02:06.56 | Amarande | Yeah, then we can stop complaining about how so much of, say, the BoA stuff from Pandaria is Agi based 2H stuff :) |
| 02:07.23 | Amarande | the only thing that occurs to me is it might severely hurt ferals/monks by comparison to str classes, oddly enough |
| 02:07.27 | Arideni | Amarande: I mean about the caging pets. STR is attack power, but nothing else. AGI is critical strike and avoidance, but Rogues and Hunters do benefit more than others in that they also gain AP from AGI. |
| 02:08.00 | Amarande | yeah, merging str and agi would indeed hurt agi classes |
| 02:08.07 | Amarande | also, str classes don't get avoidance from agi anymore, afaik |
| 02:08.15 | Arideni | :o |
| 02:08.33 | Arideni | So that +200 agi trinket I got in a dungeon last night...isn't needed for Prot hahahaha |
| 02:08.34 | Amarande | however, despite the limited usefulness of Agility, the reason it would still hurt ferals' and monks' balance is this |
| 02:08.53 | Arideni | ...do I at least still gain armor from agi? lmao |
| 02:09.04 | Amarande | Things like the Spear of Xuen are actually considered practically best-in-breed for STRENGTH classes too until they can get a heroic dungeon or better weapon that's Str based |
| 02:09.05 | Arideni | I feel bad now..I beat out a shammy and a druid for it ^_^ |
| 02:09.21 | Amarande | despite the fact that things like that spear are agi based, the base DPS increase makes it worth it |
| 02:09.45 | Amarande | now if they could get the full benefit of the stat as well, ceteris paribus, I imagine warriors, DKs, and paladins would probably blow monks and ferals out of the water :| |
| 02:10.52 | Arideni | lol |
| 02:11.10 | Amarande | it's one of those little known heresies about weapons, so many people focus entirely on "does it have the right class stat str/agi wise?" when oftentimes an increase in base DPS will more than offset having the wrong stat |
| 02:11.23 | Amarande | it's one of those things I should actually have known quite well, actually :| |
| 02:11.29 | Amarande | being that I mained a Frost DK during late Wrath |
| 02:11.56 | Amarande | and that's about all frost DKs USED was wrong-statted weapons (since there were no level 80 str 1-handers for DPS, period, you had to use agi) |
| 02:12.33 | Amarande | And yet despite that, DW was by far the superior option for frost DK, even though 2H actually allowed you the option of a strength based weapon |
| 02:14.26 | Amarande | "[Agility] increases chance to dodge attacks. This is dependent on both class and level, in fact death knights, paladins and warrios [sic] don't." -- Wowpedia |
| 02:14.34 | Amarande | Yeah, looks like all you get from agi as a plate tank anymore is crit |
| 02:15.44 | Domh | doesn't it still give them 1 attack power per agi? |
| 02:16.21 | Domh | (as opposed to 2.5 per str) |
| 02:16.56 | Amarande | I'm not sure if that actually applies to melee for plate classes, or only to ranged |
| 02:17.16 | Domh | Ranged would be the other way around, wouldn't it? |
| 02:17.35 | Amarande | Ranged comes solely from Agi, to my knowledge. |
| 02:19.32 | Amarande | Drat. The faction based epic trinkets are a bad idea for an engineer. I'm probably going to have to save up and fork over the 10k for a darkmoon card trinket. :( |
| 02:19.58 | Domh | you are correct, ranged is agi only |
| 02:21.02 | Amarande | Why did I take engineering on my main again, exactly? :S |
| 02:21.15 | Amarande | It's fun, but sometimes you run into snags like that. |
| 02:22.34 | Amarande | The trouble is that Synapse Springs apparently shares a CD with on-use trinkets, which means you need proc trinkets |
| 02:23.03 | Amarande | looks like the faction based valor trinkets are all on-use, though, so I'd need to get a darkmoon card at a five-digit price, or hope for something from raids |
| 02:23.13 | Amarande | (not sure what the trinkets available from raiding are, tbh) |
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| 02:36.54 | JunkHead- | fewyn still here? |
| 02:38.20 | JunkHead- | Greg Street @Ghostcrawler |
| 02:38.20 | JunkHead- | @JunkHead1979 We don't like passing in LFR. The entire point of the new system is to remove the social element of loot among strangers. |
| 02:38.31 | JunkHead- | Greg Street @Ghostcrawler |
| 02:38.31 | JunkHead- | @JunkHead1979 Letting players choose to e.g. raid as Ret but choose Holy gear is something we plan on doing (though unlikely to make 5.2). |
| 02:39.09 | Amarande | hm. |
| 02:39.23 | Amarande | "Mannoroth's Fury increases the area of your AoE spells by 500%. The wording of the tooltip is rather poor. What this talent really does is increase the radius of your AoE spells by roughly 125% (so the radius is multiplied by 2.25), which causes the area affected by your AoE spells to become 5 times bigger." |
| 02:39.30 | JunkHead- | after we talked about it today, i figured it couldnt hurt to ask |
| 02:39.31 | Amarande | there seems something wrong with the math there, but I'm not quite sure |
| 02:39.50 | fewyn | thanks JunkHead- |
| 02:39.56 | Amarande | hm, does multiplying a circle's radius by 2.25 make it 5x bigger? |
| 02:39.56 | JunkHead- | np |
| 02:40.12 | Amarande | oh, wait, actually it does |
| 02:40.18 | Amarande | I was multiplying by pi twice there :| |
| 02:41.29 | JunkHead- | dammit. i was in lfr queue, but logged out to redo my router. now im in queue to get on the server.:( |
| 02:46.11 | Amarande | Junk: this is why I refuse to play on ultra-high pop servers :S |
| 02:46.45 | Amarande | I've pretty much always played on medium pop servers, actually. It's only been recently that Ysera became high pop |
| 02:47.03 | Amarande | Turalyon was high pop for a short time too, but that was mostly around MoP launch |
| 02:47.21 | Amarande | I don't know why anyone would play on a server where you spend half your gaming time for the evening waiting to log on. :p |
| 02:47.38 | Amarande | World of Queuecraft doesn't seem like it'd be a very good seller. :) |
| 02:47.48 | fewyn | the way i used to do it was remote desktop in before i left work |
| 02:47.51 | fewyn | and sign in |
| 02:47.56 | Amarande | of course, then again, Disney World is insanely popular |
| 02:48.06 | fewyn | by the time i got home i'd be in or close to the end of the queue |
| 02:48.08 | Amarande | despite the fact that you're overwhelmingly likely to spend most of a day there in line heh |
| 02:48.23 | fewyn | pfft when you goto disney you do fastpasses |
| 02:48.32 | Amarande | and the main track events at Dragon Con |
| 02:48.34 | fewyn | you go around to rides and pick up a ticket to go at X time |
| 02:48.49 | Amarande | which I mostly avoid like plague because again, you spend longer than the event standing in line for it |
| 02:48.49 | fewyn | and then go watch a show or do somehting else in the mean time |
| 02:48.52 | fewyn | then get to skip the line |
| 02:49.47 | JunkHead- | damn |
| 02:49.52 | JunkHead- | xbox live having issues |
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| 02:52.04 | Amarande | anyway, are the benefits of an ultra pop server worth spending half the evening in queue? |
| 02:52.13 | fewyn | eh |
| 02:52.18 | fewyn | being able to pug everything |
| 02:52.20 | fewyn | and a good ah |
| 02:52.28 | fewyn | are good tradeoffs |
| 02:52.29 | fewyn | imo |
| 02:52.35 | Amarande | I haven't seen any problems with being on a medium pop one, except, heh, the fact that there weren't enough wildfowl breasts on the AH to finish leveling my cooking yet :P |
| 02:52.54 | fewyn | i never had issues when i played illidan horde |
| 02:53.00 | fewyn | and rarely did i get a queue tbqh |
| 02:53.21 | fewyn | and if i did it wasn't that bad |
| 02:53.23 | fewyn | 10-15m |
| 02:53.34 | fewyn | this was back in wotlk |
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| 03:18.48 | Amarande | blah, I keep feeling like my warlock should do better dps than this |
| 03:18.55 | Amarande | she's level 50 and my 42 rogue seems to be doing more damage |
| 03:19.11 | Amarande | not that it feels like I'm killing things slowly, but recount just suggests I'm not doing as much damage |
| 03:19.32 | Amarande | or am I worrying too much about the meter :) |
| 03:37.58 | kullervo | Amarande: if you're solo, you're doing it wrong I think |
| 03:38.04 | kullervo | spec affliction and have your pet tank everything |
| 03:38.15 | Amarande | ah, I've been using demo spec |
| 03:38.24 | Amarande | my 80 horde warlock that I almost never play otoh is aff |
| 03:53.56 | kullervo | oh and here I thought there's no way I can have enough damage to kill these dragons before they fly out of range |
| 03:54.16 | kullervo | spinning fire blossoms! The homing missiles of the mind! |
| 03:56.09 | kullervo | And unfortunately so OP they're getting nerfed, hard |
| 04:01.06 | kullervo | ooooh. Also something I COMPLETELY forgot when cursing the fact Onyxia flew out of my range |
| 04:15.34 | Amarande | blah. smithing tuyere. so called because it takes tuyeres to drop :| |
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| 07:10.46 | Hoptimistic | i cant believe wow is actually utilizing irc as a way to connect with the community |
| 07:11.05 | Hoptimistic | i remember when irc was the best but now its almost dead. |
| 07:12.48 | Lugburz | haha |
| 07:13.02 | Lugburz | eh, this channel is dead but i think that irc is living strong |
| 07:13.08 | Lugburz | there are plenty of channels with lots and lots of users |
| 07:13.31 | Hoptimistic | well yeah i mean efnet and dalnet obviously have tons of users |
| 07:13.48 | Hoptimistic | i used to spend so much time scripting and making ascii art for my irc client |
| 07:13.56 | Hoptimistic | but it seems now most every server is dead |
| 07:15.27 | Hoptimistic | anyways would you know how i can addm y guild to wowhead. i haev a website and one of the modules utilizes wohead info for my guild but i cant add the module since apparently my guild isnt on wowhead |
| 07:16.14 | Lugburz | lol' |
| 07:16.21 | Lugburz | oh i have no idea about that |
| 07:16.30 | Lugburz | sorry i cant help you out |
| 07:17.17 | Hoptimistic | thats ok. jsut trying to figure all this mess out. enjin doesnt offer much in the way of guild hosting for wow so im thinking of switching to another one if i can find one |
| 07:17.48 | Hoptimistic | website providers are so expensive though as far as decent ones. |
| 07:17.48 | Lugburz | ya, and right now is kind of an even more than usual dead time here |
| 07:17.51 | Lugburz | true |
| 07:18.34 | Hoptimistic | you wouldnt know a good guild hosting site would ya? |
| 07:18.44 | Hoptimistic | prob 12 dollars a month max |
| 07:18.50 | Hoptimistic | im not paying more than that |
| 07:19.01 | Lugburz | dude, I have absolutely no idea |
| 07:19.12 | Hoptimistic | lol well thanks anyways |
| 07:19.21 | Lugburz | one thing though is that |
| 07:19.27 | Lugburz | you shold be able to easily add your guild to wowhead |
| 07:19.29 | Lugburz | oh well :| |
| 07:19.37 | Hoptimistic | ill figure it out |
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| 07:55.26 | Lucky_Red | Morning from Europe! |
| 08:29.13 | Lugburz | hi |
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| 08:30.07 | Lucky_Red | Hello |
| 08:30.57 | Lugburz | meow |
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| 09:21.32 | Lucky_Red | So, they removed the day-night cycle in Pandaria? |
| 09:21.41 | Lucky_Red | Or in Cataclysm? I haven't played since WoTLK. |
| 09:31.51 | Torhal | Lucky_Red: If they removed it, it was in a recent patch. I remember it being screwy with CRZ. I'd be on my realm in daytime, then switch zones and it's night. |
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| 10:08.25 | Lucky_Red | Oh, because I liked waiting for people in the night in Stormwind, as a rogue, wearing my hood to approach them to sell some Peacebloom. |
| 10:10.28 | stuf | I don't think they've removed it |
| 10:10.38 | stuf | they changed the timezone behaviour tho |
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| 10:45.04 | Lucky_Red | I am actually curious; how do the new imacs with the 512 MB card fair for world of warcraft? |
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| 15:06.54 | VIad | why did the map data from earlier years reset for all Elders? |
| 15:07.08 | VIad | for example http://www.wowhead.com/quest=8619 before he had a map but now it's gone from his entry |
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| 16:44.12 | fewyn | i hate virmen |
| 16:55.41 | Elysa | You'll be able to crush them with your plow in 5.2! |
| 16:55.50 | Elysa | well, down to 30% health, at least |
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| 17:09.40 | fewyn | no i mean i hate the regular quests with them |
| 17:09.45 | fewyn | especially as a clothie |
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| 17:18.19 | Eraclito | i exalted tillers on three characters, i don't think i want to do them anymore |
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| 18:05.03 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Play Games? Answer This Survey to Win! - http://www.wowhead.com/news=210351/play-games-answer-this-survey-to-win |
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| 18:12.36 | sidoadam | Hello guys. I'm from the EU, looking to recieve a RAF, prefer people who are willing to get me the battle chest, ill pay for the rest. |
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| 18:25.03 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] 5.2 PTR - Build 16503 - Spell Changes and More - http://www.wowhead.com/news=210355/5-2-ptr-build-16503-spell-changes-and-more |
| 18:36.15 | JunkHead | ugh |
| 18:36.19 | JunkHead | damn illidari council |
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| 19:01.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] 5.2 PTR - Build 16503 - Audio Spoilers, New Achievements, 3D Models - http://www.wowhead.com/news=210355/5-2-ptr-build-16503-audio-spoilers-new-achievements-3d-models |
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| 21:01.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Patch 5.2 PTR and Patch Notes - http://www.wowhead.com/news=210362/patch-5-2-ptr-and-patch-notes |
| 21:02.29 | fewyn | To encourage Raid Finder groups to persevere, each time an Raid Finder group wipes on a boss fight all players in the group receives a stacking buff that increases health, damage dealt, and healing done by 5% (up to a maximum of 10 stacks). This buff is cleared once the boss has been killed. |
| 21:02.33 | fewyn | lolwat |
| 21:03.02 | Eraclito | 50% buff! |
| 21:06.01 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Updated 5.2 PTR Patch Notes - http://www.wowhead.com/news=210362/updated-5-2-ptr-patch-notes |
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| 21:29.47 | kullervo | fewyn: well, no one at all thinks anything of LFR to begin with |
| 21:33.27 | b4k4^^ | lol? |
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| 21:41.26 | Mr_Rabies | probably good, it gets frustrating wiping in lfr and having half the group clear each time |
| 22:01.55 | JunkHead | Reputation gains from bringing rare Pandarian fish for Nat Pagle to examine has been increased. |
| 22:01.58 | JunkHead | wonder how much |
| 22:05.41 | sidoadam | Hi guys, might be a longshot, but I'm from the EU and I'm looking to be recruited. |
| 22:34.13 | *** join/#wowhead Amarande (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 22:34.54 | Amarande | yay much better xmog shoulders. :) |
| 22:35.06 | Amarande | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/ysera/Kiruna/advanced |
| 22:57.03 | *** join/#wowhead Lugburz (~Lugburz@207.207.120.209) |
| 23:52.03 | *** join/#wowhead Grum (~grum@c-64e2e555.06-134-73746f46.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |