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| 01:42.23 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/2013-11-01_03-42-13.png |
| 01:42.25 | kullervo | well, fuck. |
| 01:46.00 | b4k4^^ | :P |
| 02:08.09 | Lugburz | llol |
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| 02:09.22 | Amarande | Rolled and forgot you already had it? |
| 02:10.16 | Lugburz | knowing kully |
| 02:10.18 | Lugburz | probably |
| 02:10.31 | Lugburz | might have been slightly inebriated too if I want to stereotype his type >_ |
| 02:10.31 | Lugburz | > |
| 02:11.24 | Amarande | heh, things like that have happened to me too |
| 02:11.37 | Amarande | like going out to UBRS and doing the egg room a kajillion times only to find out I already HAD that engi recipe :p |
| 02:11.57 | b4k4^^ | heh |
| 02:12.00 | Lugburz | nice |
| 02:12.29 | Amarande | thankfully if I remember right it's not BoP |
| 02:12.40 | Amarande | and yay, a fix is in for questguru |
| 02:12.46 | Amarande | I can now use my usual UI once more |
| 02:12.58 | Amarande | also, "Shame on you Blizzard" :D |
| 02:13.08 | Amarande | (yes, that really was part of the latest changelog note for QG) |
| 02:13.09 | b4k4^^ | I had no UI issues after the latest patch |
| 02:13.38 | Amarande | oh yay, launcher update! |
| 02:13.45 | Amarande | don't be like TOR. don't be like TOR. DO NOT BE LIKE TOR. |
| 02:13.46 | b4k4^^ | *again*? |
| 02:13.56 | b4k4^^ | or is that beta? |
| 02:14.06 | Amarande | *whew* |
| 02:14.08 | Amarande | no, regular launcher |
| 02:14.13 | b4k4^^ | =P |
| 02:14.22 | Amarande | which I had a pang of dread towards because the last MMO I had do a launcher update was SW:TOR |
| 02:14.31 | Amarande | which was the great day of SW:TOR breaking and many of us canceling subs :P |
| 02:14.56 | Amarande | and because the problem didn't happen to EVERYONE, countless ops groups were utterly pissed off that week as well |
| 02:15.21 | b4k4^^ | curse updater behaved a bit weird after this week's WoW patch tho, claimed that there was an update for NPCScan and while applying it complained that I already had that version |
| 02:15.59 | Amarande | you could literally have all but one or two members of the raid online and then suddenly ... oh hey no raid for you guys tonight, Darth Whatevs might not be back online for days because he got the infamous launcher update bug! so fun, I'm glad I wasn't level 55 at the time |
| 02:16.14 | b4k4^^ | >_< |
| 02:16.14 | Amarande | that sounds like the author of npcscan failing at versioning |
| 02:16.19 | b4k4^^ | yeah |
| 02:16.28 | b4k4^^ | whatever, stuff works |
| 02:17.46 | Amarande | yup. that's why I'm playing WoW for the time being anyway. I'm taking my money away from BioWare for a few months till they get their stuff better organised, hopefully |
| 02:18.17 | Amarande | I'm sure I'll be back to TOR eventually ... got buddies there and it feels awful of me to leave my poor Powertech stranded on Tatooine of all places |
| 02:18.45 | b4k4^^ | oof |
| 02:18.59 | b4k4^^ | that planet needs more sandworms |
| 02:22.16 | b4k4^^ | more cowbell |
| 02:22.42 | Amarande | heh |
| 02:22.45 | Amarande | that's LOTRO |
| 02:23.03 | Amarande | (yes, there is actually a Minstrel instrument called the Moor Cowbell ... ROFL) |
| 02:23.30 | Lugburz | lol |
| 02:23.42 | Amarande | Lugburz, doesn't your name mean something in the Black Speech? :) |
| 02:23.55 | Lugburz | >_> |
| 02:23.56 | Lugburz | <_< |
| 02:24.05 | Lugburz | dark tower or black tower or some shit |
| 02:24.10 | Lugburz | idk, I got it from a metal album |
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| 05:53.56 | twiz_ | What is the best way of getting some information fixed on the website? Some of the Hearthstone cards are listed as being unlocked at an incorrect level. Should I report the comment with corrections I made for moderator attention? |
| 05:54.06 | twiz_ | *Hearthead website that is |
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| 16:11.02 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] Day of the Dead (November 1st - 3rd) - http://www.wowhead.com/news=222985/day-of-the-dead-november-1st-3rd |
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| 16:44.54 | parzo | čo to je do piči |
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| 20:01.03 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] Blizzard Files Trademark for Warlords of Draenor - http://www.wowhead.com/news=223000/blizzard-files-trademark-for-warlords-of-draenor |
| 20:03.42 | Mr_Rabies | sounds like a hearthstone deck to me |
| 20:06.31 | Amarande | yeah, most likely |
| 20:06.40 | Amarande | we've been to Draenor before in WoW, there's not really much left of it to explore |
| 20:06.44 | Amarande | (or really, much left of it, heh) |
| 20:07.15 | Amarande | speaking of which I still think it would have been epic if they'd handled falling off of outland differently :) |
| 20:07.40 | Amarande | since outland/draenor is out there in space |
| 20:08.01 | Amarande | have you fall to the point where you'd usually die, then load screen, then have you appear high up over XR/westfall and fall the rest of the way before cratering :) |
| 20:08.47 | Amarande | don't forget fiery debuff while falling too, for re-entry :D |
| 20:10.06 | Mr_Rabies | lol, but draenor isn't even really in space anymore, per se |
| 20:10.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's in the twisting nether, which is why it's still remotely stable despite being a shattered planet's remains |
| 20:10.55 | Amarande | also on the subject of falling, doing a Roll as a monk off the cliff just south of the Orgrimmar flight master seems to get you Going Down with ease |
| 20:11.18 | Amarande | Also speaking of Orgrimmar, I'm pretty sure this place is why I spent so much time as Alliance after Cata :P |
| 20:17.53 | fewyn | you never know |
| 20:17.59 | fewyn | it could be a caverns of time thing |
| 20:18.09 | fewyn | or it could be a big chunk of draenor floating in the the twisting nether |
| 20:18.16 | fewyn | far away from "outlands" |
| 20:22.24 | fewyn | everything is speculation |
| 20:22.29 | fewyn | until next week! |
| 20:22.30 | fewyn | we'll see |
| 20:23.43 | Amarande | yeah, there's always room for more caverns of time :) |
| 20:24.12 | Amarande | I also still wonder if they'll ever use the other portals under Wyrmrest |
| 20:24.23 | Amarande | or perhaps reinstate that raid in Vashj'ir that was meant for 4.1 but never made it in |
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| 21:15.28 | kullervo | Amarande: yeah I can totally see a new raid being in what really counts as in the middle of nowhere |
| 21:17.10 | Amarande | heh, some sort of addon to vashj'ir anyway |
| 21:17.18 | Amarande | just to make it, you know, a leveling path someone might actually want to TAKE anymore |
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| 21:43.37 | Amarande | drat, current warlock fotm is destro again |
| 21:43.44 | Amarande | at least according to raw simcraft |
| 21:43.57 | Amarande | dammit, why does destro always seem to scale better EVERY expansion? |
| 21:44.21 | Amarande | see, there's a basic legitimate reason to dislike destro, and that's if you want to play a fire mage, you can play a fire mage :) |
| 21:44.46 | Amarande | when destro becomes fotm that's basically saying "oh, we know warlocks have two specs that are totally unique in their ways. but ... you're best off basically being a fire mage" |
| 21:45.49 | JunkHead | I wish we had a good mage thatd show up every raid nigh |
| 21:45.55 | JunkHead | i wish our lock did also. |
| 21:46.01 | kullervo | Amarande: you realise fire mage is the wannabe destro, not the other way around |
| 21:46.49 | Amarande | kullervo: heh |
| 21:47.11 | Amarande | well basically the gripe is more that you have three warlock specs, two of which are really unique playstyles and the other one is mostly magey |
| 21:47.35 | Amarande | and it seems like the "mostly magey" one keeps getting ahead and making the fun unique specs inferior :S |
| 21:47.38 | JunkHead | I hated locks forever. finally decided to level mine from 85-90. did it destro. had a blast |
| 21:47.41 | kullervo | that's because mage mechanics weren't too great so they're more like warlocks now |
| 21:47.53 | kullervo | 10k shadowbolt crits in vanilla yo |
| 21:48.16 | kullervo | mages only had ignite that generated damage (and threat) for the mage who'd critted last |
| 21:48.28 | Amarande | when I first played warlock I was always a fan of aff |
| 21:48.32 | Amarande | and demo seems to be pretty fun as well |
| 21:48.49 | kullervo | aff still rocks the fights where you fight many strong targets |
| 21:49.02 | Amarande | I guess demo suffers from the same main fault as hunters |
| 21:49.12 | Amarande | which is that it's damn hard to balance pet classes well |
| 21:49.29 | kullervo | such as Dark Shamans (cleave strategy, normal mode) |
| 21:49.45 | Amarande | either you make the pets so resilient that they're practically imba *outside* a tough raid fight |
| 21:50.09 | Amarande | or they're so fragile that the pet reliant specs' DPS sinks like a stone because they're spending so much time and concentration looking after their pet rather than being able to be a second source of damage like the spec is designed for |
| 21:51.22 | Amarande | like the AoE damage reduction thing, now arguably a BM hunter's pet is the best tank for 5-man fights with heavy AoE |
| 21:52.15 | kullervo | there are no 5-man fights with heavy aoe |
| 21:52.31 | kullervo | there are solo elites on timeless isle that only have aoe attacks though |
| 21:53.39 | kullervo | for 5-man fights that aren't challenge dungeons, a retri paladin is the best tank because they deal mad dps while not losing any due to their stance (or their pet class not being meant for dps) |
| 22:07.25 | Amarande | kullervo: ah, the Champion problem :) |
| 22:07.52 | kullervo | Amarande: the what? |
| 22:08.02 | Amarande | reminds me of what happened in LOTRO at one point |
| 22:08.18 | Amarande | between Guardians and Champions, specifically |
| 22:08.36 | Amarande | thing was Guardians are a class that's designed to live and die as a tank, Champions were meant to be plate DPS |
| 22:08.52 | kullervo | well this same problem has been in WoW since TBC, but especially WOTLK |
| 22:08.53 | Amarande | so, the tradeoff for Guardians was supposed to be they had much more survivability but noticeably less DPS |
| 22:09.13 | Amarande | except, at some point, people found that Champions were being survivable enough to be tanks |
| 22:09.25 | kullervo | once gear levels get too high, you just want more dps instead of a tank or healer |
| 22:09.40 | Amarande | which posed a severe issue, because it basically meant GRD were going out of business because CHM could tank and do more DPS at the same time |
| 22:10.38 | kullervo | but did LOTRO have any content where you REALLY needed a real tank? |
| 22:10.40 | Amarande | (mind you it was more of a problem for LOTRO since GRD weren't really built to be a DPS class at all, so it wasn't like say Prot going out of style, it was the entire *class*) |
| 22:11.02 | Amarande | oh, yeah. anything for a full fellowship or more normally needs a real tank |
| 22:11.23 | Amarande | even 3-mans often seem like they do, which makes them considerably more brutal than Scenarios |
| 22:11.23 | kullervo | because while I would just feel stupid tanking 5-mans as prot paladin, I couldn't even consider tanking heroic raids as ret |
| 22:11.56 | Amarande | however, when the Champion imbalance problem was an issue, apparently Champions really were able to tank as well as a Guardian in a full fellowship |
| 22:12.25 | Amarande | and apparently, to do it in DPS stance, which was the particularly irksome issue |
| 22:12.47 | Amarande | I remember them nerfing them somehow to deal with it (I think it's something like champion DPS stance now completely lacks avoidance, or something such) |
| 22:18.20 | Amarande | I see frost mages are finally really getting their day in the sun with MoP in general, which is nice :) |
| 22:18.33 | Amarande | ... pity MoP hasn't been too mage-friendly otherwise :( |
| 22:19.18 | Amarande | and I guess I won't bother dusting off my DK atm since it looks like they're the worst class for anything but tanking heh |
| 22:23.49 | Mr_Rabies | mages have been top dps for just about every tier for the last 2 expansions D: |
| 22:26.31 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: yeah but frost spec has usually sucked, at least until cata came out |
| 22:26.45 | Amarande | which I had always lamented because when I mage I'm fond of the Way of the Snow :) |
| 22:27.17 | Amarande | DKs seem to have really gotten the short end of it though |
| 22:27.44 | Mr_Rabies | yaeh, frost has historically been _the_ pvp spec and its strength in pvp was balanced with its weakness in pve |
| 22:27.48 | Amarande | according to noxxic BiS, all three DPS DK types are in the bottom six, with unholy being even worse than arms warriors |
| 22:27.52 | Mr_Rabies | now it's a bit weaker in pvp but viable in pve |
| 22:28.13 | Amarande | priests seem to be in a similar boat of inflexibility now, it's basically either heal or bust apparently now |
| 22:28.19 | Amarande | since shadow is also as bad as arms warrior :P |
| 22:29.09 | Amarande | you know, if it wasn't for enhancement, feral, and fury being so high up the totem pole I'd almost say Blizzard may be trying to push class balance back to vanilla days |
| 22:30.25 | Amarande | which may not necessarily be a bad thing :S |
| 22:33.06 | Amarande | i.e., making hybrid classes' DPS less competitive at the high end, so as to coax players of those classes to switch to tank or healing specs |
| 22:34.30 | Mr_Rabies | hybrids should be just as competitive as anyone else |
| 22:35.05 | Mr_Rabies | might as well remove the dps spec if it's not competitive |
| 22:35.55 | Amarande | well, the DPS spec can be competitive initially (like, say, when leveling, solo questing, maybe in the easier 5-mans), that's a good thing because people like to level as characters that deal decent DPS |
| 22:36.17 | Amarande | and nobody likes to slog through dailies as, say, a heals spec where every mob takes forever |
| 22:36.58 | Amarande | but making it non-competitive at the raid tier (probably at heroics too because of need to balance the queue pool) encourages people to choose specs that are in shorter supply |
| 22:37.20 | Amarande | and probably in a better way than things like the Satchels of Drama |
| 22:39.13 | Mr_Rabies | i think it'd be better to give heal specs better dps |
| 22:39.18 | Mr_Rabies | than to make dps specs suck |
| 22:39.48 | Mr_Rabies | the satchels are a great solution to the problem |
| 22:40.13 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i think the pure class idea should go totally out the window |
| 22:40.18 | Mr_Rabies | every class should be a hybrid |
| 22:42.50 | Mr_Rabies | people don't play tanks especially because every 10 man only needs 2, and there's no reason to be a tank in lfr whatsoever |
| 22:43.01 | Mr_Rabies | there's really not a tank shortage at all anymore |
| 22:43.19 | Mr_Rabies | but the reason why you don't see them in lfr is because it's not worth it |
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| 22:53.31 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: the problem with the satchels is they create drama, mainly |
| 22:53.57 | Amarande | part of it is all the various glitches and bugs and design mistakes that have plagued them (e.g., expecting people to manage to go an ENTIRE LFR from start to finish with no leavers at all) |
| 22:54.06 | Amarande | part of it though is only giving *one* role the satchel |
| 22:54.18 | Amarande | which has chronically resulted in friction between tanks and healers in particular, apparently |
| 22:54.31 | Mr_Rabies | how can it create drama, though, i don't get it |
| 22:54.40 | Amarande | Tanks feel they deserve an extra something, and tbh I can't really disagree much with that |
| 22:54.54 | Amarande | the problem is that meanwhile healers get all kinds of extra responsibility too (especially with noob stand in the fire DPS being so common) |
| 22:54.54 | Mr_Rabies | you don't get a satchel if your class is in good supply |
| 22:55.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's based on class supply, nothing else |
| 22:55.12 | Amarande | but the satchel almost always going to the tank makes them feel like they have to do extra work for nothing still |
| 22:55.16 | Mr_Rabies | tanks on my lfr collective rarely have a satchel |
| 22:55.19 | Mr_Rabies | healers almost always do |
| 22:55.26 | Amarande | which is the reason why the satchels were invented in the first place (since tanks felt the same way) |
| 22:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | the satchels are just incentive to play a role that's needed, that's all |
| 22:55.56 | Mr_Rabies | you can get everything in a satchel from elsewhere in the game |
| 22:55.57 | Amarande | yeah, I'm just wondering if it should maybe be the TWO roles that are most needed that get them |
| 22:56.03 | Mr_Rabies | it can be |
| 22:56.05 | Amarande | that way both the tank and healer will normally get one |
| 22:56.08 | Mr_Rabies | it depends on how much they're needed |
| 22:56.13 | Mr_Rabies | i've seen healer/tanks both have them before |
| 22:56.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's based on queue times and how many people are in the queue |
| 22:56.27 | Amarande | and I don't see any reason it would cause trouble for that to always be the case, to just give it to both tank and healer |
| 22:56.40 | Amarande | unless you get a situation where everyone wants to tank and nobody wants to heal or vice versa, of course |
| 22:56.43 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather it be just like it is |
| 22:56.49 | Mr_Rabies | dynamic based on need |
| 22:57.03 | Mr_Rabies | hell, dps get it once in a blue moon |
| 22:57.10 | Mr_Rabies | it's not super common, but i've seen it |
| 22:57.21 | Amarande | Yeah actually Call to Arms DPS happens a lot more often than you think, I'm told |
| 22:57.28 | Amarande | it just usually happens for extremely brief moments when it does |
| 22:57.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's entirely dynamic and based on need, as it should be |
| 22:57.48 | Amarande | I'm going to guess it probably happens the most during late nights |
| 22:58.07 | Amarande | like, when raid nights have just let out so a lot of tanks and healers are still on and decide to farm some more vp or such for the evening |
| 22:58.21 | Mr_Rabies | i do think they should let you get it if you queue with a group though, so long as your group is below a certain percentage of a full raid in lfr |
| 22:58.33 | Mr_Rabies | since it does kind of incentivize solo queueing |
| 22:58.44 | Amarande | yeah, that was what the issue with the satchels in LFR *was* (though I think that may have been fixed lately) |
| 22:59.07 | Amarande | if anyone EVER left the raid during the course of the LFR, then when you went to get subs you were now considered to be queuing as group |
| 22:59.17 | Amarande | so anyone who had been in the running for a satchel lost it |
| 22:59.23 | Mr_Rabies | that's more of an implementation problem and likely a bug |
| 22:59.29 | Amarande | so basically you had to do the entire LFR without anyone leaving at all, which was basically impossible |
| 22:59.33 | Mr_Rabies | since that doesn't occur in lfd |
| 22:59.39 | Mr_Rabies | if someone leaves an lfd, you still get the bag |
| 23:00.21 | Amarande | yeah, it was considered a bug I'm pretty sure. that's what I meant with things like "glitches and bugs and design mistakes" |
| 23:00.38 | Amarande | come to think of it, I'm surprised WoW maintains its popularity |
| 23:00.49 | Amarande | "there's too many bugs" applies to it just as strongly as games where people leave in droves over same |
| 23:01.13 | Amarande | but somehow for some reason we're more willing as a collective to tolerate them from Blizzard than from BioWare, Turbine, or whoever |
| 23:02.06 | Amarande | 'course, I'm not sure how much I really "tolerate" them in the long run. I have a long-standing tendency to oscillate between a few select MMOs over time |
| 23:02.38 | Amarande | like from WoW to LOTRO to WoW to LOTRO again then SW:TOR for a time and then back to WoW but definitely intending to return to SW:TOR eventually |
| 23:03.16 | Amarande | FFXIV may join the rotation eventually too |
| 23:03.30 | Amarande | the one thing I basically never do is sub to more than one *at the same time* though |
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