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| 11:22.20 | Dedra | Hi, someone changed from Pandaren -> Orc and can tell me the direct compared dmg? I mean the food buff VS the Orc Racial.. |
| 11:23.10 | Dedra | Im interessted especially for my Monk. And Exp on axes is good aswell :\ (but this will be removed in next addon so.... still don't know if i should change to orc, what i like for style) |
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| 15:36.57 | Auxilium | Good day all, wanted to ask, does wowhead looter upload wod beta data now? |
| 15:37.15 | kullervo | it should do that automatically |
| 15:38.23 | Auxilium | Seems it uploading, though not entirely sure xD |
| 15:38.52 | kullervo | you can check your profile page I guess, since you get 25 rep for the first data upload per day |
| 15:40.16 | Auxilium | that is part of reason why asking, nothing in reputation page |
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| 15:49.18 | Auxilium | btw, is there anywhere written the process how uploaded data is proceeded to final result? |
| 15:50.18 | kullervo | it's a trade secret |
| 15:50.31 | Auxilium | k, not even how fast? |
| 15:51.15 | kullervo | not that I know of |
| 15:51.56 | Auxilium | ok, I hope my data is uploaded )) |
| 15:51.59 | ex0r | its probably stored in an off-site db and compared to a % of other data for accuracy, and if it's accurate than it pushes it to the main db |
| 16:14.19 | Auxilium | was anyone able to disenchant anything without enchanting using Enchanter's Study? |
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| 16:53.44 | Auxilium | decided to read disc/priest feedback at off forums, my goodness, half of people don't understand the specification of class, most other's is just a butthurting about making OPness harder |
| 16:54.16 | kullervo | disc is a damage preventing damage dealer |
| 16:54.22 | Auxilium | ay |
| 16:54.45 | kullervo | the WOTLK model where it was a damage preventing healer was... stupid |
| 16:54.46 | Auxilium | and point 1 problem of Dreanor right now that no one bothers avoiding damage in dungeons |
| 16:55.06 | Auxilium | they are getting 1/2 or 2/3 hits all the time |
| 16:55.35 | kullervo | "LOOOK I'm doing 10k HPS! NOBODY KNOWS SINCE IT'S BUBBLES EVERYWHERE!" |
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| 16:56.04 | Auxilium | oh look, I've been damaged for 80k, heal me fast to 100%! and strongest heal takes 2 seconds to heal 20k at top xD |
| 16:56.38 | kullervo | usual approach should work |
| 16:56.56 | kullervo | "stop standing in the fire, too bad you died, corpse run. Maybe you'll remember it." |
| 16:57.42 | Auxilium | blizzard decided to move "fire"to new level in dreanor, it's now everywhere, and if you don't learn to avoid it, you are useless |
| 16:58.15 | kullervo | which reminds me |
| 16:58.29 | Auxilium | and tanks, yeah, 220k hp, +110k of absorbs on top, instant drop down to 100k hp and than oneshot the next second |
| 16:58.44 | Auxilium | and 6 times that way xD |
| 16:58.55 | kullervo | nublet has to learn to use CDs |
| 16:59.19 | kullervo | that sounds very much like challenge modes |
| 16:59.36 | Auxilium | except it's a "life" from now on xD |
| 17:00.32 | kullervo | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/446 |
| 17:00.43 | kullervo | this rogue's a noob |
| 17:00.50 | kullervo | you know why? |
| 17:01.08 | Auxilium | though there's also a bug where group member is marked as dead, had to rewrite all my mouseover macroes as it had "nodead"in it -_- |
| 17:01.42 | Auxilium | kullervo, nope, never played rogue |
| 17:02.00 | kullervo | you've raided, however, so you should know |
| 17:02.10 | kullervo | he JUMPS from the fire. |
| 17:02.25 | kullervo | He'll keep taking damage until landing plus up to 60ms |
| 17:02.27 | Auxilium | oh, that, yeah, was looking at that part xD |
| 17:03.39 | Auxilium | I personally like most of changes, don't see how people miss all the good things |
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| 17:06.58 | Auxilium | It seems that current heroic raid equipment would be valid till somewhere around 96-97 questing areas and unlucky normal dungeon runs |
| 17:07.37 | Auxilium | even best questing equipment (epic version) is lvl 560 |
| 17:08.31 | kullervo | >epic quest equipment |
| 17:08.32 | kullervo | you what |
| 17:08.41 | kullervo | preorder cancelled |
| 17:09.19 | Auxilium | you have around 5% chance for your quest equipment to be type upgraded |
| 17:09.53 | Auxilium | though it's blue if you are lucky, but in 300 quests I got one epic item |
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| 18:35.24 | nebula169 | you don't start replacing heroic raid gear until nagrand/98+ even then enchants/gems will carry most gear to 100 |
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| 18:46.44 | JunkHead | that sucks.:( |
| 18:47.12 | JunkHead | I never had heroic raid gear though. Highest I got was normal gear. So I'll replace mine alittle sooner. |
| 18:47.20 | kullervo | well tbh people used DS gear in t14... |
| 18:47.36 | JunkHead | which tier was 14? |
| 18:47.41 | kullervo | mogu |
| 18:47.42 | JunkHead | was that... |
| 18:47.43 | JunkHead | oh |
| 18:47.53 | JunkHead | i didn't know that. interesting |
| 18:48.01 | JunkHead | but i didn't have much raid gear from DS. |
| 18:48.03 | kullervo | ain't nobody got the time to replace items |
| 18:48.05 | JunkHead | Just some lfr stuff. |
| 18:48.37 | JunkHead | I will say this, I like how when you complete a quest, the quest reward item is for your spec. |
| 18:48.39 | JunkHead | BUT... |
| 18:48.52 | kullervo | so like now? |
| 18:49.00 | kullervo | except the item now changes stats |
| 18:49.00 | JunkHead | It sucks having to close out the quest window, switch spec loot, then talk to the npc again. |
| 18:49.08 | JunkHead | to compare items. |
| 18:49.24 | JunkHead | Like on my paladin. ret/prot. |
| 18:49.31 | kullervo | you're doing it wrong |
| 18:49.37 | kullervo | just roll ret |
| 18:49.48 | JunkHead | I suck at pally. so i dunno. |
| 18:49.51 | JunkHead | brb..... |
| 18:50.03 | kullervo | you'll want haste and mastery as retri |
| 18:50.09 | kullervo | you'll want haste and mastery as prot |
| 18:51.40 | JunkHead | phone keeps ringing. |
| 18:51.52 | JunkHead | My point was like.. using weapons as an example. |
| 18:52.04 | kullervo | oh. |
| 18:52.05 | JunkHead | if my loot is set to ret, the quest reward is a 2hander. |
| 18:52.11 | kullervo | well, you'll still want 2-handers |
| 18:52.13 | JunkHead | but what if my 2 hander is... decent? |
| 18:52.20 | JunkHead | So I wanna see the prot weapon reward |
| 18:52.24 | kullervo | traditionally weapons don't really matter for prot damage |
| 18:52.27 | JunkHead | i got hit esc to close that window. |
| 18:52.31 | JunkHead | switch loot spec. |
| 18:52.33 | kullervo | oh dear god hit esc |
| 18:52.34 | JunkHead | then talk to the npc again |
| 18:52.35 | kullervo | :D |
| 18:52.55 | JunkHead | why can't it just show both at the same time? or have the loot in the window change when i change loot spec? |
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| 19:26.39 | Amarande | I can't imagine one not being able to get away with sword and board for solo questing ret, though |
| 19:26.51 | Amarande | Doubt it'd be a good idea at 100, but below the cap, one gets away with a lot of sins |
| 19:27.53 | Amarande | If anything the only real thing you'd likely lose is speed, while I could very much imagine there's the occasional tough spot where the extra protection from the shield saves your bacon |
| 19:27.55 | JunkHead | I copied my paladin over. at 90, wering timeless isle gear, in prot spec/gear, i was tearing mobs up easily. |
| 19:28.21 | kullervo | 5 seconds easily or 30 seconds easily |
| 19:28.39 | JunkHead | maybe 10 |
| 19:29.03 | Amarande | now this dual statting of gear is probably going to take a bit of psychologically getting used to |
| 19:29.08 | JunkHead | i did switch to ret spec, but then logged off. then the wpe was announced. i havent been back on yet. |
| 19:29.16 | Amarande | actually, you know, that kind of makes me shake my head a bit |
| 19:29.25 | Amarande | why even do dual statting on gear :S |
| 19:29.47 | JunkHead | i played on my shamana mainly on beta. but only got to lvl 91 due to crashing so much. |
| 19:29.48 | Amarande | if they're going to do adaptive statting like that, it would seem easier to just abandon the notion of specific stats (except stamina/spirit) on gear altogether |
| 19:30.01 | JunkHead | on my warrior i did both 90 and 100, but all i did was solo old instances |
| 19:30.04 | Amarande | and just combine *all three* main stats into *one* new stat, just call it Power or something, that always increases mainstat |
| 19:30.07 | JunkHead | which was hilarious. |
| 19:31.23 | Amarande | ah, only 91 |
| 19:31.32 | Amarande | dangit, I was going to ask what the perks are like for shaman, particularly ellie shaman |
| 19:31.53 | JunkHead | umm... |
| 19:31.57 | JunkHead | at 91 i got a perk |
| 19:31.59 | JunkHead | let me find it |
| 19:32.06 | kullervo | yeah the perks are ridiculous as hell |
| 19:32.24 | kullervo | prot paladins and aoe for instance. So ridiculous |
| 19:32.50 | JunkHead | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.54 | JunkHead | thats the one i got |
| 19:32.56 | Amarande | is ele shaman still the sweet spot among ranged casters that I've thought it will be? |
| 19:33.12 | JunkHead | At the time though, I was also annoyed there was no glyph vendor for 90's. |
| 19:33.21 | JunkHead | I wanted to try the pally consecration glyph. |
| 19:33.28 | kullervo | ah yeah that one |
| 19:33.31 | JunkHead | can only use it on the 100 realm though.:( |
| 19:33.34 | kullervo | not too good in most cases |
| 19:33.36 | Amarande | I've got mixed feelings about the glyph stuff |
| 19:33.39 | JunkHead | i had a sad.:( |
| 19:33.46 | Amarande | It seems convenient, it also seems like it's going to ruin inscription :( |
| 19:33.54 | kullervo | it's not particularily interesting if you don't HAVE to keep moving with an aoe pack |
| 19:34.14 | kullervo | maybe if it turned the flat ground effect into a sphere it'd be good |
| 19:34.15 | Amarande | does inscription still at least get shoulder enchants, or are the oddball slot enchants (shoulders/legs) being yanked altogether with the enchanting simplification? |
| 19:34.19 | JunkHead | i mainly wanted it for the beginner 90 areas. |
| 19:34.27 | JunkHead | LOTS of mobs to round up! |
| 19:35.03 | kullervo | not much use really |
| 19:35.09 | kullervo | unless self healing now actually works in aoe |
| 19:35.24 | Amarande | it feels like this crafting simplification stuff is going to kill off crafting altogether :S |
| 19:35.28 | kullervo | because for instance, I'd actually get killed by mobs on my 580 geared paladin if I were to aoe pull the mobs in Barrens |
| 19:35.31 | kullervo | this is live |
| 19:35.52 | Amarande | eventually, everyone will just fall back to tailoring or something like that so they can sell black mageweave to the bikini crowd |
| 19:36.13 | Amarande | until eventually the price of mageweave reaches the Planck price and the price of black mageweave sets planks |
| 19:36.52 | Amarande | at which point the only really useful point of crafting anymore might be to easily max out everyone's bags. |
| 19:37.14 | Amarande | apparently, they think it's a good thing for the game to neuter crafting though |
| 19:37.18 | Amarande | even though it's a staple of MMOs :P |
| 19:38.29 | Amarande | maybe I'll just hop over to tor or lotro or ffxiv and let wow rot, if this ever forward march towards ultra-simple doesn't stop :| |
| 19:39.08 | Amarande | hm, thinking of it, feels like they're trying to attract that fps/moba type crowd where all you have to do is show up on game (i.e. raid) night |
| 19:39.09 | JunkHead | I love how professions no longer have combat perks. |
| 19:39.22 | Amarande | rather than old school wow where you actually had to come prepared for raids :P |
| 19:39.58 | kullervo | meh. Gold's now the only reason to level them. |
| 19:40.00 | Amarande | or is it time to accept that the classical MMO just isn't a viable business model, and that FPS and MOBA won out and we have to focus on those player types instead? :| |
| 19:40.35 | Amarande | (after all, how many major MMOs have been around any significant time and haven't at least had to fall back on F2P? WoW and EVE seem about it ... maybe FFXIV V2, but that's still young) |
| 19:41.08 | Amarande | and well ... EVE is just in a class by itself, while WoW seems to be maintaining sub figures by moving *away* from what might be seen as "classical MMO" gameplay |
| 19:41.59 | Amarande | a steady drop from the "be prepared" paradigm, an increased focus on fast-action elements even in solo content (damn you vale daily boss with your 180 degree arc attack that shaves off like half your HP at intended ilvl :P) |
| 19:42.55 | Amarande | while meanwhile games like TOR and LOTRO that seem like they should have a lot going for them (classical WoW style gameplay + improvements + big name and deservedly awesome universes) ended up having to fall back on F2P |
| 19:43.30 | Amarande | it does make one rather apprehensive if "classical WoW style gameplay" is actually a player detractant nowadays, and only weird folks like Amarande like it, LOL |
| 19:44.38 | Amarande | but I'm not sure *why* it should be less of a player attractant, while FPS and MOBA type gameplay catches on like wildfire |
| 19:44.54 | Amarande | but then, I speak from the standpoint of a person who's been pretty damn RPG focused for about 25ish years :) |
| 19:48.01 | Amarande | </rant> |
| 19:48.25 | Amarande | JunkHead: I would have been satisfied with them simply equalising the combat perks across the professions |
| 19:48.45 | Amarande | which mostly would have amounted to boosting the gathering profs and nerfing one or two of the others that were usually outsizedly uber |
| 19:49.17 | Amarande | (which one was it anyway, I forget if it was the BS socket or the JC gems or both) |
| 19:49.40 | Amarande | mind you JC was always kind of a wildcard, because its perkiness tended to depend on just how the specific expansion doled out epic gems :p |
| 19:50.15 | Amarande | but really it's not the loss of combat perks that bothers me |
| 19:50.26 | Amarande | it's the fact that they've also been vastly scaling back the amount of crafted items of real worth |
| 19:51.11 | Amarande | it started with one potion per battle, in 6.0 it's going to be huge (sockets being rarities, enchant slots being massively rolled back, etc.) |
| 19:51.48 | Amarande | do we at least get a bigger bag again this time around? or are crafted bags staying at the MoP size? |
| 19:55.36 | JunkHead | crafted 30 slot |
| 19:55.45 | JunkHead | takes about 10 days to make.:\ |
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| 20:12.41 | Amarande | JunkHead: cooldown mats or is the bag recipe itself CD'd? |
| 20:16.46 | JunkHead | cooldown mats |
| 20:17.20 | Amarande | ah, sounds like tailoring will be of some use then |
| 20:17.23 | Amarande | and enchanting will be of *some* use |
| 20:17.34 | Amarande | there still spellthread? or was that removed in the enchanting simplification? |
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