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| 00:19.41 | XonDK | ok got a general question about WoW haven't played in almost 3 years, gotten 7 days free returning to see different people from other servers running around together, even people from realms that aren't supposed to be connected, for example can from an RP-PVP server play together with a friend of mine that is playing on a pure RP server, that is not listed anywhere as I can see as connected, what is going on? |
| 00:19.45 | XonDK | EU btw |
| 00:20.04 | equiraptor | Things are all linked now! Sorta kinda. |
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| 00:20.39 | equiraptor | Zones can cross realms, depending on the load in the zone. Not many people in the zone? it'll get mixed with that zone from other realms. |
| 00:20.50 | equiraptor | Mail, etc. can go across realms, as well. INcluding grouping. |
| 00:21.04 | XonDK | ah.....so you can group and run around with a friend even if he is from another server now? |
| 00:21.07 | equiraptor | When grouped, the characters get placed all in the same zone |
| 00:21.10 | XonDK | ah |
| 00:21.10 | equiraptor | Yup. |
| 00:21.13 | nebula169 | mail is restricted to connected realms/your account |
| 00:21.16 | XonDK | ok that does explain it |
| 00:21.43 | equiraptor | Are cross realm invites restricted to existing friends, nebula169, do you know? |
| 00:23.11 | XonDK | welp that explains it thanks! |
| 00:23.52 | nebula169 | equiraptor: you can invite someone in the same zone as you on different servers, yea |
| 00:24.26 | nebula169 | or from anywhere if they're connected |
| 00:24.36 | equiraptor | Yay. |
| 00:24.42 | equiraptor | Thanks. |
| 00:26.02 | tenterflex | except no |
| 00:26.18 | tenterflex | non-oceanic US and oceanic US realms don't phase together outside of instances, still |
| 00:26.55 | tenterflex | obviously not an issue if you're both on non-oceanic realms |
| 00:27.13 | tenterflex | but yeah, still can't quest etc. across oceanic/non-oceanic |
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| 04:38.00 | Kane_Hart | how to upgrade 0/4 weapons now |
| 04:47.38 | JunkHead | ? |
| 04:47.56 | JunkHead | upgrades are done with lesser charms of fortune now |
| 04:48.03 | JunkHead | 50 per upgrade |
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| 07:27.38 | tenterflex | okay |
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| 22:45.38 | Amarande | hmmm, so, the patch is here :) |
| 22:45.54 | Amarande | looks like it's going to be good times for my elemental shaman, and my poor warlock is going to spend another expansion gathering dust :S |
| 22:49.33 | Amarande | well, maybe get dragged out a bit. looks like most of the warlock problems are with pvp so that depends on whether pvp gear is going to end up being an important rung up the ladder like, well, like the last time we visited Draenor! heh |
| 22:49.55 | Amarande | (apparently, pvp warlocks are ranting up a friggin storm right now LOL) |
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| 23:01.11 | Amarande | now, do I reactivate for November and get into WoD out of the gate but have to suffer the expansion launch blues, or do I wait till December :) |
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| 23:10.46 | tenterflex | Amarande, are you currently unsubbed? |
| 23:11.13 | Amarande | Yeah. Wasn't in the budget during the summer. Plus it meant my PS3 and Steam game collection got some love. |
| 23:11.55 | Amarande | hm. seems like the most ado I'm reading about 6.0 is about the heirlooms and warlock PvP |
| 23:11.57 | tenterflex | Ah, ok. Well from now until WoD launch, the BoA weapons from Garrosh are a 100% drop for the first kill per difficulty per character |
| 23:12.03 | tenterflex | Yeah, snap |
| 23:12.27 | tenterflex | Once WoD launches the 90-100 heirlooms will be removed |
| 23:12.32 | tenterflex | Sorry, the chance to drop will be removed |
| 23:12.39 | tenterflex | Of course, those that already have them will still have them |
| 23:12.44 | Amarande | myself, if I'm worried about anything, I think it's whether or not QuestGuru and Mapster type addons will still be readily available, or if the integration of map and quest log will produce a dearth |
| 23:12.55 | Amarande | I'm not sure how actively maintained those are lately :S |
| 23:13.15 | tenterflex | Can't say, I don't use either of those myself |
| 23:13.26 | Amarande | oh, it's the 1-90 heirlooms getting the flak, actually |
| 23:13.27 | tenterflex | I use a paid addon, DugiGuides. |
| 23:13.41 | tenterflex | Oh yeah, they removed Justice and Valor points in 6.0.2 |
| 23:13.49 | Amarande | yup. and MOST OF the stuff that used to cost them costs gold now |
| 23:13.52 | tenterflex | As a result they removed the JP Heirloom vendors until WoD launches |
| 23:14.07 | tenterflex | Only way to obtain new 1-90 Heirlooms from now until WoD is Darkmoon Faire or Argent Tournament |
| 23:14.13 | Amarande | but notably they decided to simply remove the heirlooms from sale altogether (unless you go jousting or do the tournament) |
| 23:14.22 | Amarande | without, it seems, a clear announcement as to when they will be back |
| 23:14.40 | Amarande | LOL this one forum thread said they were going on a nice vacation and one of the first replies is "you sent them to the glue factory, didn't you" |
| 23:14.52 | tenterflex | Well afaik when WoD launches we'll be getting an heirlooms tab, much like the mounts/pets/toy box |
| 23:14.57 | tenterflex | Which will show which heirlooms you have etc. |
| 23:15.18 | Amarande | there seem to be a lot of people opining that they're trying to phase out the availability of heirlooms |
| 23:15.28 | Amarande | and yeah, the reason generally cited is the obvious one, heh |
| 23:18.09 | Amarande | but yeah, why not just say "until WoD launches" or something like that? it can't be THAT major to just add NPCs back in to sell them, can it? |
| 23:18.33 | Amarande | not that I've ever been *that* big a fan of heirlooms anyway, although it is nice to have something for the head or shoulder slot from the get go, usually you don't get those normally till the 20s or early 30s |
| 23:18.33 | tenterflex | yeah. I personally don't mind, I already have a pretty solid collection of 1-90 'looms |
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| 23:21.00 | tenterflex | I'm still waiting on a couple of my favourite addons to be updated, boy I hope they do get updated |
| 23:32.47 | tenterflex | oh. well that's annoying, lol |
| 23:33.04 | tenterflex | my most-used addon was deleted. i looked up addons by the creator's name though - they've rewritten it under a different name |
| 23:33.16 | Amarande | hm, was it a map or quest log addon? |
| 23:33.31 | Amarande | I'm guessing that whole aspect of addons are going to need to be redone |
| 23:33.49 | tenterflex | nah, InlineAura - adds DoT timers/combo points etc. to buttons |
| 23:33.54 | tenterflex | also flashes buttons when you have 5 combo points etc. |
| 23:34.12 | tenterflex | really handy as I'm a "clicker", so I don't need to keep looking up at my combo points/buffs then back at my action bar to click |
| 23:34.26 | Amarande | ah, you're a button clicker |
| 23:34.45 | Amarande | hah, I'd say something, but that'd just be another incarnation of something gaming's seen before |
| 23:34.56 | tenterflex | well, I am 584 14/14 Mythic |
| 23:35.05 | tenterflex | so I don't think being a button clicker makes me a worse raider |
| 23:35.09 | Amarande | like the old Doom days ... "omg you schlub you still use the keyboard to move?" heh |
| 23:35.10 | tenterflex | but *shrug* each to their own |
| 23:35.25 | Amarande | it just seems like button clicking would slow you down and possibly get you killed in mobility fights |
| 23:35.33 | tenterflex | well, let me rephrase |
| 23:35.34 | Amarande | because you need to be using the mouse to move |
| 23:35.37 | tenterflex | I use vanilla interface, with bartender 4 |
| 23:36.00 | tenterflex | so I use the number keys 1 through 0 |
| 23:36.05 | tenterflex | i have - and = bound to my mouse |
| 23:36.12 | Amarande | like how I've always said that you have to type one handed in MMORPGs (with its resultant limitation on useful modifier-using keybinds) |
| 23:36.14 | tenterflex | (the side buttons) |
| 23:36.29 | tenterflex | and then i have an additional bar of stuff above the default action bar, using bartender |
| 23:36.32 | tenterflex | and they're the things that i click |
| 23:36.42 | tenterflex | and they're mostly things like 3 minute cooldown abilities, defensives etc |
| 23:38.29 | tenterflex | i only really use the mouse to change my view or orientation, if that makes sense |
| 23:38.37 | tenterflex | i still run/strafe with WASD. i'm a FPS player, so >_> lol |
| 23:40.43 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not sure if FPS have swung back to keyboard centric movement or not |
| 23:41.08 | Amarande | I remember in Doom, it was originally all about the keyboard, then mouse movement picked up steam and "keyboarders" ... well, weren't necessarily regarded as less skilled, but generally were thought of as handicapping themselves |
| 23:41.37 | Amarande | Quake maintained the same mouse centric attitude, IIRC |
| 23:41.54 | tenterflex | idk, i think FPS "pros" have always been WASD + mouse for aiming |
| 23:42.00 | Amarande | but after Q2 I didn't really play all that many FPS much, apart from UT and UT2004 |
| 23:42.03 | tenterflex | it used to be if you used like, up down left right, and ctrl to fire |
| 23:42.05 | tenterflex | then you were a noob |
| 23:42.18 | Amarande | yeah those were the original Doom default controls |
| 23:42.59 | Amarande | then again, we're talking Doom, which tends towards a particularly unique brand of insanity in more recent days |
| 23:43.12 | Amarande | like single levels that contain more monsters than you kill in an entire game most of the time |
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| 23:43.54 | tenterflex | haha |
| 23:44.07 | Amarande | hrm ... for instance Speed of Doom map 28, which has 2,938 monsters at the get go ... I'm not even sure any of my WoW characters kill 2,938 monsters until they've been raiding for a while |
| 23:44.07 | tenterflex | yay, blizz really are being nice to people coming up to WoD launch |
| 23:44.23 | Amarande | nice, or "nice"? |
| 23:45.20 | tenterflex | I put in a ticket because I farmed 150 tricky treats for one of the new battle pets |
| 23:45.20 | tenterflex | ... and clicked on the wrong frickin thing. and could only sell the item back to vendor for gold, not my tricky treats |
| 23:45.20 | tenterflex | so I put in a ticket, and they refunded me my 150 tricky treats. they were like "we don't normally do this... but here you go! :)" |
| 23:45.40 | Amarande | well, presumably that's a bug |
| 23:45.43 | tenterflex | well my personal theory is, they're catering to every existing subscriber's whim at the moment, to retain as many subs as possible |
| 23:45.50 | Amarande | because usually when you buy stuff for holiday currency you're supposed to be able to sell it back for same |
| 23:45.57 | kullervo | tenterflex: odd, they always seem to say the same: "we don't usually do this..." |
| 23:46.06 | Amarande | unless they changed that due to people using it to cheese the Brewfest achievements awhile back |
| 23:46.10 | tenterflex | yeah, they've stopped doing that now, i think people were exploiting it by buying holiday items for achieves then selling them back |
| 23:46.13 | tenterflex | yeah |
| 23:46.32 | Amarande | I still haven't heard much about the launch period in specific other than the fact that if you want heirlooms get used to jousting, heh |
| 23:47.17 | Amarande | and the concomitant possibly or possibly not conspiracy theories related thereto |
| 23:47.54 | Amarande | (the sentiment being that they want to limit the availability of heirlooms so the next crop of players coming in, should they be of the powerlevel mindset, need to shell out cash for the 90 boost) |
| 23:49.28 | Amarande | since, well, note that while you can get it from DMF or jousting ... there's also the fact that the Argent Tournament minipets are known for being extremely solid money makers on the AH, so there is a palpable sense of loss if you spend your tokens on looms |
| 23:49.56 | Amarande | by extremely solid I mean I don't think I've seen a single faction minipet go for less than 4-digits, and that's the original items (i.e., level one pet, unknown stat growth type), mind you, not even a leveled up battle pet |
| 23:50.11 | tenterflex | yeah |
| 23:50.23 | tenterflex | they are good money makers, i'm currently farming champion's seals for the mounts though. have all the pets |
| 23:51.29 | Amarande | I wonder how popular the 90 boosts actually are |
| 23:51.39 | tenterflex | *shrug* I paid for one |
| 23:51.43 | tenterflex | plus my free one from the WoD preorder |
| 23:51.48 | Amarande | it still seems a silly investment to me |
| 23:52.00 | tenterflex | meh, it depends on what you value more - your money or your time |
| 23:52.05 | Amarande | I mean, it's four months' worth of subscription ... you could level a whole server allotment of characters to 90 in four months |
| 23:52.20 | tenterflex | I levelled my toon to 60 then boosted. got free level 600 engineering and alchemy, both annoying professions to level |
| 23:52.40 | tenterflex | the cost was nothing to me. i'm not exactly wealthy but I'd rather spend a few bucks than grind grind grind |
| 23:52.47 | Amarande | hm, never thought alchemy was that bad |
| 23:53.02 | Amarande | engi, yeah, but mostly because it seems the period where you start to need spirits sets in pretty early, IIRC |
| 23:53.31 | Amarande | (and that'll presumably go away in WoD when you'll presumably be able to start Draenic or whatever the new tier is called at 575) |
| 23:53.44 | Amarande | reminds me. what is the name of the new crafting tier this time, anyway? |
| 23:54.45 | Amarande | hah. if they knew there were going to be this many expansions, they should have named them after Masonic craft tiers or something ... that way they wouldn't need to be scrambling for new and even more superlative sounding stuff till the 33rd tier :) |
| 23:55.33 | Lugburz | .whalenuke infobot |
| 23:56.13 | Amarande | the ones I've always found to be the worst I think are tailoring and leatherworking |
| 23:56.27 | Amarande | blacksmithing can get annoying at times (I think there's been a time or two I've quipped "they call it BS for a reason" :D) |
| 23:56.43 | Amarande | but not nearly so bad, mostly because metal's a plentiful resource most of the time |
| 23:57.38 | Amarande | and is a gathered resource, so it's (mostly) independent of the level up process |
| 23:58.36 | Amarande | I'm of the mind that tailoring and LW basically got screwed over by the accelerated leveling trend ... they were probably balanced through 2.2 but since 2.3 you level too quickly to gather enough to keep your crafting skill on par |
| 23:59.01 | Amarande | since both of them depend on farming mobs rather than gathering nodes like the rest of the crafting profs |