| 00:00.11 | Lianth | it showed up ALL the questgivers like a (!) mark on the map in each zone |
| 00:00.17 | AGenericGamer | and its best to download these with curse's updator, right? |
| 00:00.19 | Amarande | yeah, I used one called Loremaster that did the same thing at one point |
| 00:00.27 | Amarande | but once you have Outland loremaster you really don't need it anymore |
| 00:00.33 | Lianth | but two weeks ago with WoD launch it was still not up-to-date |
| 00:00.42 | Amarande | it's the only continent where the quests are really placed in a fashion that's that troublesome |
| 00:01.03 | Lianth | true |
| 00:01.35 | AGenericGamer | its fine. im not at WoD content yet |
| 00:01.49 | AGenericGamer | my highest lvl char is 37 |
| 00:01.56 | AGenericGamer | i just started |
| 00:02.11 | Amarande | yup, take time to smell the roses :) |
| 00:02.21 | Amarande | far too many MMO players are in a damned hurry to get to top level and "endgame" |
| 00:02.29 | Lianth | Amarande, but still, my ranking is |
| 00:02.41 | Lianth | WoD > TBC > Cata > MoP > WotLK |
| 00:02.51 | Lianth | I did not play Vanilla, so can't rank this one |
| 00:03.04 | Amarande | though sadly, MMORPGs so often practically enforce this if you want to do endgame at all :( |
| 00:03.14 | Lianth | ^ THIS. |
| 00:03.17 | Lianth | everyone rushes |
| 00:03.32 | Amarande | I think Final Fantasy XI may be the only relatively recent one not to suffer from that problem to any significant degree |
| 00:03.38 | AGenericGamer | the only reason i want to get to top level is to get the 10th annaversry stuff (I cant spell for shit) |
| 00:03.45 | kullervo | AGenericGamer: Mapster |
| 00:03.51 | Amarande | probably only because it forces you to group at virtually all points in the game (something I usually dislike, and something most MMOs don't do) |
| 00:04.12 | Amarande | not that I dislike grouping, or I wouldn't even play MMOs |
| 00:04.20 | Amarande | what I tend to dislike is when you *have to have* a group at all times |
| 00:04.26 | kullervo | mmm yess this mlerpmlerp is soon ready, can't wait to show you |
| 00:04.37 | Amarande | because then you have to basically maintain a lockstep schedule with your buddies all the time or you can't play at all |
| 00:04.53 | AGenericGamer | is curse the best place to get all of these? and should i use the downloader client? |
| 00:05.13 | kullervo | curse is best due to the easy-to-use client |
| 00:05.29 | kullervo | it also auto updates if you're willing to pay for the subscription |
| 00:05.45 | kullervo | I do, also supports the site |
| 00:06.35 | AGenericGamer | is there a way to check for updates from the client if I cant affort curse premium? |
| 00:06.39 | AGenericGamer | like, manually? |
| 00:06.41 | kullervo | yes |
| 00:06.45 | Amarande | and do not download clients from places called things like wowmatrix or ten ton hammer |
| 00:07.06 | kullervo | it checks for updates anyway but you must click once for each addon |
| 00:07.09 | Amarande | those are vile things to be thrown into a small pit and beaten to death, preferably with something weak like The Stoppable Force because it'll hurt longer :) |
| 00:07.20 | kullervo | also you can only queue up to like three addons at once so it takes a while if you're at 100+ addons >_> |
| 00:07.38 | AGenericGamer | ah |
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| 00:09.43 | AGenericGamer | is it worth getting adons like DBM when im not at end game content? |
| 00:09.55 | Amarande | not really |
| 00:10.01 | kullervo | it also has timers and warnings for low level content and pvp |
| 00:10.10 | Amarande | there's some addons (like Little Wigs, which is itself an addon for Big Wigs, so you need both) that give you timers and warnings for lower level content |
| 00:10.20 | Amarande | but most lower level content is pretty simple by now, at least till you get into cataclysm or so |
| 00:10.55 | Amarande | doesn't hurt to have it installed, on the other hand |
| 00:11.04 | Amarande | the best warning addon when leveling though is GTFO |
| 00:11.39 | Amarande | that'll warn you whenever you're standing in something hurtful, regardless of whether it is associated with any specific fight |
| 00:11.52 | AGenericGamer | oh, thats helpful |
| 00:12.22 | AGenericGamer | noob question: can adons conflict? for example, having bigwigs/littlewigs installed at the same time as DBM? |
| 00:12.22 | kullervo | separate modules, mind |
| 00:12.42 | Amarande | you generally only want one boss warning addon |
| 00:12.42 | kullervo | some addons may conflict but you don't want many different boss mods at once |
| 00:12.50 | kullervo | too much redundant and overlapping information |
| 00:14.13 | AGenericGamer | ah |
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| 00:14.28 | Amarande | hell, GTFO apparently even warns you if what you're standing in just BECAME hurtful, too, e.g. drowning |
| 00:14.31 | Amarande | which I didn't realise at first |
| 00:14.36 | Amarande | ... and drowned because of it ... LOL |
| 00:15.05 | Amarande | I was doing this quest where everything's underwater and then suddenly the GTFO buzzer goes off saying MOVE IT MOVE IT MOVE IT |
| 00:15.13 | Amarande | and I'm looking around trying to figure out wtf I'm standing in |
| 00:15.17 | Amarande | and then suddenly I die without finding it |
| 00:15.25 | Amarande | and only then did it occur to me that I forgot to watch my breath timer :( |
| 00:15.45 | AGenericGamer | ah |
| 00:15.54 | Amarande | Glug, glug, sleep with the fishes! |
| 00:16.22 | AGenericGamer | ooh, what about adon packs? |
| 00:16.41 | kullervo | very noob friendly, when something breaks you're fucked |
| 00:18.28 | AGenericGamer | hmm |
| 00:19.13 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_112114_023517.jpg |
| 00:20.57 | AGenericGamer | ooh, what ui is that? |
| 00:21.02 | kullervo | own custom |
| 00:21.20 | AGenericGamer | i like how non intrusive it is |
| 00:21.31 | AGenericGamer | its also very clean |
| 00:21.46 | kullervo | I made an installable package of it last year when I gave it to my friend's gf who had a *terribly* bad UI |
| 00:23.43 | AGenericGamer | do you have it uploaded online anywhere? |
| 00:24.00 | kullervo | Not anymore |
| 00:24.06 | AGenericGamer | ok, np |
| 00:24.23 | kullervo | even if the server's hdd hadn't died the scripts would have nuked it already due to the file being too old |
| 00:24.39 | AGenericGamer | ah |
| 00:25.09 | AGenericGamer | if i bought WoD next week, and played for ~2 hours a day, could I reach lvl 100 by December 31st? |
| 00:25.22 | kullervo | yes |
| 00:25.22 | AGenericGamer | just because I really want the 10th birthday promo stuffs |
| 00:26.05 | AGenericGamer | also, thats assuming i boosed to 90 |
| 00:26.24 | kullervo | roll a panda monk |
| 00:26.39 | kullervo | you could get from 1 to 100 before dec 31st |
| 00:26.48 | kullervo | double rested exp and a daily that gives 1hr of +50% |
| 00:28.53 | AGenericGamer | ooh |
| 00:28.58 | AGenericGamer | that gives me an idea |
| 00:29.10 | AGenericGamer | i refered a friend not too long ago |
| 00:29.15 | AGenericGamer | triple xp still applies |
| 00:29.49 | AGenericGamer | also, alliance or horde? |
| 00:31.40 | kullervo | triple exp only applies when you're grouped with the friend and near enough in level and distance |
| 00:41.15 | AGenericGamer | i know. so we both boost to level 90 (niether of us have WoD yet) and both choose the same race |
| 00:41.21 | AGenericGamer | wait |
| 00:41.24 | kullervo | oh no that won't work |
| 00:41.26 | AGenericGamer | race doesnt matter |
| 00:41.35 | kullervo | the boost only works below lvl 85 or something |
| 00:41.56 | AGenericGamer | oh? |
| 00:41.57 | AGenericGamer | dang |
| 00:42.49 | AGenericGamer | so, ill boost a pandarian monk. alliance or horde? |
| 00:43.10 | Stormkitty | [16:42:51] [2] [Beaz]: <BASEMENT WIZARDS> is looking for ranged dps to fill our mythic roster. We raid Tues-Thur from 8:00-11:00 server time. Pst if you are interested or have any questions. |
| 00:43.13 | Stormkitty | best guild name 2014 |
| 00:43.32 | AGenericGamer | lol |
| 00:44.23 | Stormkitty | oh, with regard to this question from yesterday |
| 00:44.23 | Stormkitty | [21:20:02] <AGenericGamer> kullervo, are the blizzard_"AddonName" files actual adons, or are they just part of the base game? |
| 00:44.34 | Stormkitty | They're not add-ons but in a sense they are |
| 00:44.51 | Stormkitty | they just happen to be stored in the addon folder |
| 00:44.57 | AGenericGamer | oh |
| 00:44.58 | AGenericGamer | ok |
| 00:45.16 | Stormkitty | the game will recreate if they're missing on startup |
| 00:48.50 | AGenericGamer | ah |
| 00:49.06 | AGenericGamer | (sorry for so many questions) DBM or BigWigs? |
| 00:50.08 | Stormkitty | Most people use DBM |
| 00:50.14 | kullervo | toss a coin |
| 00:52.04 | Mr_Rabies | i find i miss too many things when i tried switching to bigwigs, but dbm has conditioned me to how its alerts work |
| 00:52.15 | Mr_Rabies | skinner-style |
| 00:56.13 | AGenericGamer | i see. the only reason i like bigwigs is because of the littlewigs adon, since im not at end game content yet |
| 00:56.48 | kullervo | I just said DBM has the same thing |
| 00:56.59 | kullervo | think it's dbm-notscaryatall or something |
| 00:58.06 | Mr_Rabies | bigwigs is the hipster option - it's cleaner and other addon authors seem to prefer it for various reasons, but dbm is more thorough with its alerts. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, though. probably better to keep using bigwigs until you feel you -need- to use dbm |
| 00:58.57 | AGenericGamer | oh |
| 00:58.58 | AGenericGamer | ok |
| 00:59.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just so used to it i prefer it for that reason, but bigwigs is definitely less complex for better and for worse |
| 00:59.16 | tenterflex | I've been using DBM for as long as I can remember, that's why I use it |
| 00:59.28 | tenterflex | Also Mr_Rabies a question - any idea if /dbm pull timers convert for Bigwigs users? |
| 01:00.01 | Mr_Rabies | bigwigs is designed to mostly interface with dbm as much as it can, but no clue |
| 01:00.07 | kullervo | they work |
| 01:00.24 | tenterflex | kk |
| 01:01.42 | Stormkitty | Why you should use DBM: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/dbm-archaeology |
| 01:02.58 | AGenericGamer | lol |
| 01:04.25 | AGenericGamer | hmm, i cant seem to find the flightmasters plugin for handynotes |
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| 01:06.06 | AGenericGamer | its in a adon pack but i cant find the standalone |
| 01:06.24 | AGenericGamer | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/handy-notes_flight-masters just gives me a 404... |
| 01:07.54 | AGenericGamer | i guess its not updated anymore |
| 01:11.06 | tenterflex | agenericgamer |
| 01:11.08 | tenterflex | I use an addon called |
| 01:11.25 | AGenericGamer | ? |
| 01:11.46 | tenterflex | "Flight Map and Time" |
| 01:12.06 | tenterflex | it's really good, shows you real-life time it will take to fly between different flight paths, shows all flight paths on the map and they're greyed out if you're yet to collect them etc. |
| 01:12.14 | tenterflex | updated for WoD, works on all old content too |
| 01:13.38 | AGenericGamer | will it conflict with any map mods? |
| 01:13.40 | tenterflex | assuming that's what the flight-masters handynotes addon did |
| 01:13.42 | tenterflex | not afaik |
| 01:13.48 | tenterflex | i use handynotes draenor treasures and works fine |
| 01:14.17 | AGenericGamer | ok |
| 01:18.57 | AGenericGamer | im staying at 20 adons |
| 01:19.13 | AGenericGamer | including that |
| 01:19.21 | AGenericGamer | if i keep going ill just end up with far too many |
| 01:19.55 | tenterflex | I have 45 |
| 01:19.55 | tenterflex | lol |
| 01:21.34 | AGenericGamer | ok so i dont feel nearly as bad |
| 01:21.40 | AGenericGamer | ill let myself have 25 |
| 01:21.45 | AGenericGamer | whats a good auction house mod? |
| 01:24.08 | tenterflex | I think people like Auctioneer or something |
| 01:24.10 | tenterflex | but I use Auctionator |
| 01:25.03 | AGenericGamer | is there a difirence? |
| 01:25.24 | tenterflex | i think only minor differences. I prefer Auctionator myself though |
| 01:27.55 | AGenericGamer | ok |
| 01:28.19 | AGenericGamer | is there a way to manually ad adons to the curse client? |
| 01:38.20 | AGenericGamer | also, is bartender4 a good adon? |
| 01:39.26 | kullervo | no |
| 01:39.33 | kullervo | it's clunky, use dominos instead |
| 01:45.27 | AGenericGamer | is there a way to manually ad adons to the curse client? |
| 01:45.55 | AGenericGamer | if the addon i want isnt on the curse site, but i still want to keep track of it on the client? |
| 01:52.08 | kullervo | why would you, if it's not on curse? |
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| 01:54.54 | AGenericGamer | my friend wants me to get it |
| 01:55.39 | AGenericGamer | also, speaking of non-curse addons, do you still have the installer or files for your ui? |
| 01:55.51 | AGenericGamer | if you ever get around to puting it online it looks fantastic |
| 01:56.17 | Stormkitty | kullervo, Bartender4 is fine if you know what you're doing |
| 01:56.38 | kullervo | Stormkitty: I switched to dominos because it did things better |
| 01:56.51 | Stormkitty | I haven't noticed any problems so far |
| 01:56.55 | kullervo | namely, wasn't broken as fuck after every patch |
| 01:57.03 | kullervo | this was during bartender 2 or 3 |
| 01:57.06 | Stormkitty | I've never had Bartender4 break |
| 01:59.01 | kullervo | and I still have direct spell binds on some characters |
| 01:59.10 | kullervo | things I haven't ever had to change, like dispel on my priest |
| 01:59.19 | Stormkitty | oh I do per character keybinds |
| 01:59.39 | Stormkitty | I only use bartender on my priest |
| 02:02.57 | kullervo | I do per character too |
| 02:03.28 | kullervo | but if you use bartender on your priest |
| 02:03.41 | kullervo | does it mean you use blizzard default bars on the rest? |
| 02:03.43 | AGenericGamer | ok, i think this is my last question |
| 02:03.50 | AGenericGamer | whats a good profession add-on? |
| 02:04.08 | kullervo | default UI works just fine |
| 02:04.29 | kullervo | until you become really industrious |
| 02:04.49 | AGenericGamer | oh om |
| 02:04.50 | AGenericGamer | ok* |
| 02:06.03 | kullervo | AGenericGamer: btw the generic layout of my UI was made by someone on quakenet's #wow in 2007 or 2008, I've been updating and adjusting it since |
| 02:06.27 | kullervo | my screen estate has over quatrupled during the years |
| 02:06.37 | AGenericGamer | ah |
| 02:14.27 | AGenericGamer | well, if you ever get around to uploading it, tell me |
| 02:16.02 | AGenericGamer | i havent found a ui i like yet and that one seems really nice |
| 02:18.41 | AGenericGamer | oh, and i have quite possibly the noobiest question of all time. |
| 02:19.06 | AGenericGamer | what is rotation? ive seen it used a bunch but i havnt found an explanation that i understand |
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| 02:31.17 | AGenericGamer | also, should i enable addons that WoW says are out of date? |
| 02:31.26 | kullervo | if you want to use those addons, yes |
| 02:31.32 | kullervo | some may produce errors and slow gameplay |
| 02:33.43 | AGenericGamer | ok |
| 02:34.01 | AGenericGamer | be back later, turkey time. |
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| 03:11.17 | kullervo | should name my main character to APC |
| 03:37.14 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_112814_053712.jpg |
| 03:37.26 | kullervo | "alright" |
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| 04:25.58 | AGenericGamer | is that tomtom for the arrow? |
| 04:26.41 | AGenericGamer | also, any sujustions for my addon list? |
| 04:26.43 | AGenericGamer | http://i.imgur.com/YOCuBdo.png |
| 04:31.34 | kullervo | no |
| 04:31.42 | kullervo | install more addons as the need to adjust something arises |
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| 04:41.13 | Snaak | hey |
| 06:22.32 | Stormscape | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=13518 I cry every time |
| 06:22.48 | kullervo | "Sir, you look like an antropomorphic llama. Excuse me, I must go write this down." |
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| 07:43.25 | AGenericGamer | i have come to the conclusion that people on irc never sleep. ever. |
| 07:44.30 | AGenericGamer | also is it normal for WoW to tell me that lots of addons are out of date? |
| 07:44.42 | AGenericGamer | and if im not in WoD content yet does it even matter? |
| 07:51.44 | tenterflex | yes normal, if using obscure addons |
| 07:51.55 | tenterflex | yes matters, it's the version of the game they're incompatible with, not the content |
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| 08:22.35 | AGenericGamer | oh, ok |
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| 10:40.20 | tenterflex | nice, just got a heroic warforged shield on my tank |
| 10:40.32 | tenterflex | 636 ilvl and prismatic socket |
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| 22:12.11 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_112914_001207.jpg |
| 22:12.18 | kullervo | "what, does someone else have a paladin alt too?) |
| 22:47.24 | AGenericGamer | lol |
| 22:54.35 | kullervo | AGenericGamer: http://imgur.com/gallery/KkKK3RC |
| 22:54.42 | kullervo | you promised to upvote |
| 22:57.17 | AGenericGamer | yeah |
| 23:05.46 | AGenericGamer | kullervo, upvoted |
| 23:06.23 | kullervo | it's too late though |
| 23:06.31 | kullervo | it won't hit any front page now unless someone links it on reddit |
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