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| 00:30.47 | Guillotine | is freenode having problems? |
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| 00:35.28 | Guillotine | ~sing |
| 00:35.31 | purl | ACTION sings loudly |
| 00:35.36 | Guillotine | ~dance |
| 00:35.37 | purl | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 00:35.43 | Guillotine | ~die |
| 00:35.44 | purl | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 00:35.48 | kremonte | having fun, Guillotine? |
| 00:35.54 | Guillotine | yup |
| 00:35.59 | kremonte | stop having fun |
| 00:36.00 | Guillotine | :) |
| 00:36.50 | Guillotine | i have an idea. ill make an addon that yells "NERF SHAMANS" every time you target a shaman and yells "WHY ARENT YOU BUBBLE HEARTHING" every time it targets a pally. |
| 00:37.48 | kremonte | yes. |
| 00:37.53 | kremonte | and when you target a pally |
| 00:37.58 | kremonte | or rather |
| 00:38.03 | kremonte | when targetted pally bubbles, do /chicken |
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| 00:58.35 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hello. |
| 01:03.39 | kremonte | netsplit! |
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| 01:03.39 | kremonte | omg netsplit! |
| 01:04.34 | kremonte | woooh |
| 01:04.36 | Osagasu | HEIL, MINE KAELTEN! XD |
| 01:04.36 | Osagasu | err, hey |
| 01:04.36 | Osagasu | hehe |
| 01:04.36 | Osagasu | love my timing |
| 01:08.07 | Guillotine | lets see if anyone can guess what im doing at the moment... |
| 01:08.12 | Guillotine | heres a hint: |
| 01:08.14 | Guillotine | ~emulate me |
| 01:08.15 | purl | woohoo! spoofing links is fun! |
| 01:08.38 | Guillotine | I just got an [Arathi Basin Mark of Honorable Pwnage] |
| 01:08.52 | kremonte | Guillotine |
| 01:08.56 | kremonte | tell me! /QQ |
| 01:09.15 | kremonte | lol, honorable pwnage |
| 01:11.53 | Nomad_Wanderer | purl, netsplit |
| 01:11.55 | purl | i guess netsplit is something that happens when two IRC servers lose their link, thus isolating the users on every side from each other. a normal part of ALL irc networks, despite what some people bitching about larger networks may seem to think, or an orchestra of poips and thwoops, or something which occurs frequently on OPN |
| 01:12.45 | End | poips and what?? |
| 01:12.50 | kremonte | thwoops! |
| 01:12.55 | End | :O |
| 01:17.49 | Guillotine | is there any simple command to make sure that an item link is valid? |
| 01:18.03 | Guillotine | so an addon doesnt d/c the user by linking an invalid item link |
| 01:18.39 | kremonte | there shouldn't have to be, you secretive spoofer! |
| 01:18.41 | Guillotine | nm. ill just be unlazy and look on wowwiki myself |
| 01:18.45 | Guillotine | lol |
| 01:18.54 | kremonte | i made an alliteration. i lol'ed |
| 01:19.06 | End | you can check to see if it is in your item cache |
| 01:19.09 | Guillotine | i have to safe-proof my addon so when i email it to my gf she doesnt d/c herself while spoofing... |
| 01:20.26 | kremonte | email it to me ^_^ |
| 01:20.34 | kremonte | lol, how would you validate it |
| 01:20.40 | kremonte | they're all fake anyway.. |
| 01:21.15 | Guillotine | no, i need to validate the input item |
| 01:21.25 | Guillotine | b/c if you just type something into that box rather than linking an item into it, it d/c you |
| 01:21.57 | kremonte | huh? you made a gui or something? :P |
| 01:24.21 | Guillotine | yup |
| 01:24.26 | Guillotine | to make it easier for myself |
| 01:24.52 | Guillotine | its super easy. you just type an item link, then type what you want to spoof onto the end, then click "Spoof!" |
| 01:25.14 | kremonte | then i guess item cache would work...but i don't know nothin' aboot it |
| 01:26.21 | kremonte | hmm, GetItemInfo() looks like it could help |
| 01:27.34 | kremonte | you could perhaps split the string by : and then take the second value in that table.. tho i dont know split in lua =X |
| 01:29.03 | Guillotine | ya. im using GetItemInfo |
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| 01:52.44 | Stylpe | I can't sleep =( |
| 01:53.34 | kremonte | hmmm |
| 02:00.08 | Guillotine | read the lua manual |
| 02:00.15 | Guillotine | it always works for me |
| 02:01.04 | kremonte | rofl |
| 02:01.11 | kremonte | any documentation works, generally |
| 02:02.19 | Guillotine | wow. theres a rank 14 druid on my server... |
| 02:02.43 | kremonte | a druid? =OO |
| 02:03.26 | kremonte | i hate waiting for email, damn servers and their... lack of magical speed |
| 02:04.38 | Guillotine | i asked him if he was sick of pvp yet |
| 02:04.52 | Guillotine | he said 'its actually more fun now. dont have to worry about honor' |
| 02:05.02 | kremonte | true |
| 02:05.33 | kremonte | where's the email! kre impatient is. |
| 02:05.54 | Guillotine | lol |
| 02:05.56 | Guillotine | what email? |
| 02:06.02 | kremonte | i dunno |
| 02:06.02 | Guillotine | *looks around innocently* |
| 02:06.09 | kremonte | someone told me they were sending me an email! :b |
| 02:06.15 | kremonte | what? naw |
| 02:06.35 | Guillotine | ~spoof |
| 02:06.44 | kremonte | purl is stubborn today |
| 02:07.25 | Guillotine | ~dict spoof |
| 02:07.26 | kremonte | did you typo my email addy? =O |
| 02:07.42 | Guillotine | i copied it directly from the msg... |
| 02:07.48 | kremonte | hum |
| 02:08.18 | Guillotine | make sure it wasnt put in the spam or junk email folder |
| 02:20.43 | futrtrubl | ~kick me |
| 02:20.44 | purl | bugger off sod! |
| 02:21.00 | futrtrubl | feel the love |
| 02:21.03 | kremonte | lol |
| 02:21.15 | futrtrubl | ok, back to dinner |
| 02:22.02 | Guillotine | you just stopped eating dinner to have purl kick you? |
| 02:22.04 | Guillotine | o.0 |
| 02:22.10 | kremonte | lmao |
| 02:24.58 | kremonte | thats so cool Guillotine |
| 02:41.45 | Guillotine | best PUG ive ever been in. we just pwned AB 2000 to 270 |
| 02:42.00 | Guillotine | horde got no bonus honor |
| 02:42.02 | kremonte | lol |
| 02:42.09 | kremonte | guild runs FTW |
| 02:42.11 | kremonte | 2000-0 |
| 02:42.18 | Guillotine | wow |
| 02:42.43 | Guillotine | i loved it... at one point, we had 3 pallys run into the farm (last place controlled by horde) and bubble/dance |
| 02:42.45 | kremonte | send 7 people up to farm, 2 to LM and mine, 4 to BS |
| 02:42.56 | kremonte | rofl |
| 02:44.27 | Guillotine | i doubt it. because if you were rolling on the floor laughing, you couldnt be typing |
| 02:44.39 | End | ROLF? |
| 02:44.56 | kremonte | lol |
| 02:45.20 | kremonte | awww |
| 02:45.24 | kremonte | i wanna crack this code :( |
| 02:45.25 | End | ? |
| 02:45.39 | kremonte | I would like to enter the secret code to recieve my Murloc pet. |
| 02:45.46 | End | ahhh yea |
| 02:47.18 | Guillotine | what you have to do is go to ebay, find a card, and try to enchance the pic enough that you can see the code (if its on the outside) |
| 02:51.00 | End | except, it's a scratch off like the game cards, isn't it? |
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| 02:51.08 | Guillotine | ohhhh. probably is |
| 02:51.15 | Guillotine | ~toasttheif |
| 02:51.17 | purl | Toasttheif ninjas toast then logs off |
| 02:51.22 | ToastTheif | =/ |
| 02:51.24 | Guillotine | hello my toasty |
| 02:51.25 | kremonte | lol |
| 02:51.36 | Guillotine | <3 my toasty |
| 02:51.45 | Tain | ~emulate me |
| 02:51.47 | purl | Why the hell am I still sober? |
| 02:52.04 | ToastTheif | I have come to ask why I suck at trying to make ffdshow and virtualdubmod work |
| 02:52.24 | End | the answer is |
| 02:52.27 | End | pie |
| 02:52.38 | Guillotine | whats ffdshow? |
| 02:52.43 | Guillotine | and whats virtualdubmod? |
| 02:52.53 | Guillotine | ~emulate toasttheif |
| 02:52.55 | purl | ACTION is Guillotine's toasty |
| 02:53.06 | kergoth | great tools, thats what |
| 02:53.11 | kergoth | use them all the time |
| 02:53.20 | Guillotine | and what do they do? |
| 02:53.38 | ToastTheif | Tell me why ffdshow won't show up in VirtualDubMod's compression listy thing then =P |
| 02:54.00 | Tain | ffdshow won't |
| 02:54.33 | ToastTheif | ? |
| 02:57.07 | ToastTheif | and what do you mean by that Tain? |
| 03:01.18 | Guillotine | did alterac valley weekend start yet? |
| 03:01.24 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 03:01.31 | kremonte | ! >< |
| 03:01.33 | kremonte | gah |
| 03:01.59 | Guillotine | ill bet i go in and half of the people are afk... |
| 03:02.08 | kremonte | lol, yup |
| 03:02.15 | Tain | Oh ffdshow never used to support other apps as a decoder, but that's no longer the case! Sorry about that. |
| 03:02.36 | Tain | You do have to install the ffdshow plugin for VirtualDub though |
| 03:02.59 | Guillotine | does anyone know how long you have to be idle before going auto-afk? |
| 03:03.47 | kremonte | 10m? ish |
| 03:05.17 | Tain | Looks like there's an option in the ffdshow installer to install the VirtualDub plugin (which should work with VirtualDubMod) |
| 03:06.25 | ToastTheif | oooh, right |
| 03:07.45 | Guillotine | wow. this druid has +319 healing gear |
| 03:08.16 | Guillotine | dinner time |
| 03:08.18 | ToastTheif | :O |
| 03:14.07 | ToastTheif | ok |
| 03:14.12 | ToastTheif | this stuff is hard |
| 03:14.13 | ToastTheif | dammit |
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| 03:17.57 | ToastTheif | I give up Tain |
| 03:18.03 | ToastTheif | I did it all... |
| 03:18.07 | ToastTheif | still nothing |
| 03:19.09 | Tain | If you go into the config screen for ffdshow (in the Start Menu, vfw codecs or something like that) |
| 03:19.48 | Tain | On the second tab it should list all sorts of formats ffdshow knows, does it have the divx options set at "none" |
| 03:20.04 | ToastTheif | config for ffdshow? |
| 03:20.14 | ToastTheif | I don't see an ffdshow.exe or anything |
| 03:20.37 | Tain | On the start menu should be a ffdshow folder |
| 03:20.58 | ToastTheif | k |
| 03:22.02 | ToastTheif | 2nd tab? what's it name hehe |
| 03:22.38 | Tain | Oh Decoder |
| 03:22.46 | ToastTheif | k |
| 03:23.10 | ToastTheif | not seeing any formats on the decoder tab |
| 03:23.15 | Tain | None huh |
| 03:23.21 | ToastTheif | encoder tab has lots tho |
| 03:23.37 | Tain | That's odd, I say. |
| 03:23.37 | ToastTheif | oh |
| 03:23.38 | ToastTheif | nvm |
| 03:23.43 | ToastTheif | stupid me :) |
| 03:24.07 | ToastTheif | almost all of em are disabled, yes |
| 03:24.27 | ToastTheif | xvid, divx3, 4, 5, everything sept 3 are disabled |
| 03:25.02 | ToastTheif | should divx5 be set to that libavcodec thing? |
| 03:27.38 | Tain | Yeah |
| 03:27.44 | Tain | You want to select libavcodec for those |
| 03:28.03 | ToastTheif | Im just going to go to bed for now |
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| 03:28.11 | ToastTheif | I'll try tomorro |
| 03:28.13 | ToastTheif | w |
| 03:37.47 | Guillotine | kremonte, you enjoying the spoofer? |
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| 03:55.15 | sno | is the fair near thunderbluff? |
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| 04:01.24 | Guillotine | sno: i think so |
| 04:01.34 | Guillotine | wait. nm. fair isnt there right now |
| 04:01.55 | Guillotine | faire doesn't exist right now |
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| 04:23.28 | sno | doesnt it move? |
| 04:25.27 | Guillotine | ya, but its not up all month round |
| 04:25.33 | Guillotine | its only up for about a week a month |
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| 04:39.22 | tyndral | hi. |
| 04:39.44 | Iriel | hi tyndral |
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| 05:09.26 | Osagasu | Gawd dayum, ~60 Megs UI mem |
| 05:09.37 | AnduinLothar | 40 atm 5manning.. |
| 05:09.48 | Osagasu | Soloing. |
| 05:12.14 | Osagasu | the odd thing is my FPS ares till in the greeb |
| 05:12.17 | Osagasu | *green |
| 05:13.10 | Iriel | Memory usage and FPS are largely unrelated |
| 05:13.20 | Iriel | It's memory churn (Garbage collection) that affects your FPS |
| 05:14.29 | AnduinLothar | and even at 17kb/s that's only liek every 6or7 min |
| 05:14.39 | Osagasu | I'm at ~40 Kb/s |
| 05:15.07 | Osagasu | I've seen myself hit ~100 with my crafting stuff all open |
| 05:16.20 | Osagasu | 'sides, its only unrelated till the resources need to start fighting for the RAM, at least IIRC |
| 05:16.44 | Osagasu | I upgraded my computer on Tuesday, so that's probably it |
| 05:18.08 | AnduinLothar | :) got IceBlade Hacker and warblade of caer darrow on same run |
| 05:18.28 | AnduinLothar | 1h and 2h ice weapons |
| 05:18.40 | Osagasu | nice |
| 05:22.01 | AnduinLothar | and everyone but me forgot their commissions, lol |
| 05:25.47 | tyndral | oh, look, irc. i forgot about you. |
| 05:25.57 | kergoth | ~bad tyndral |
| 05:25.59 | purl | Bad tyndral, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 05:26.07 | tyndral | but i like cookies! |
| 05:26.37 | tyndral | ~tyndral |
| 05:26.38 | purl | it has been said that tyndral is a cookie lover. a very naughty boy. |
| 05:26.41 | tyndral | see? |
| 05:27.06 | Iriel | Did you fix your mouse wheel issue T? |
| 05:27.17 | kergoth | okay okay, you can have a cookie |
| 05:27.18 | kergoth | ~cookie tyndral |
| 05:27.59 | tyndral | eh, I'm at work still, Ir. try it when I get home. |
| 05:28.08 | Iriel | Ah |
| 05:28.16 | tyndral | *stupid work* |
| 05:28.39 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.40 | kergoth | what the heck |
| 05:28.41 | tyndral | but it sounds reasonable - expect it'll work. like most everything you say. |
| 05:28.50 | kergoth | ~give tyndral a cookie |
| 05:28.52 | purl | ACTION gives tyndral a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
| 05:28.55 | kergoth | thats better |
| 05:30.06 | Iriel | The bot should msg the recipient with a random fortune also |
| 05:30.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:33.07 | Iriel | Silly bloodsail, running away just gives me time to bandage! |
| 05:39.01 | tyndral | ooh! cookie! yum! [work gets in the way of irc. silliness] |
| 05:42.46 | tyndral | oh, my, why wont the 'Why not ACE?' thread just die gracefully? |
| 05:43.30 | Iriel | I've been wondering the same myself.. I decided to just stop posting in it in hopes that others would also. |
| 05:43.54 | AnduinLothar | :) mgue wont relent |
| 05:43.57 | Iriel | By the way, I dont remember who I have to blame, but I've had the Magical Trevor song stuck in my head for 3 days now, so 'thanks', I guess, whoever that was. |
| 05:43.58 | AnduinLothar | muge* |
| 05:44.03 | kergoth | haha |
| 05:44.13 | kergoth | you should get the llama song stuck in there instead |
| 05:44.17 | kergoth | get a little variety at least |
| 05:44.58 | tyndral | even Saien seems to have gotten bored with the whole thing, but it still wont stay off the front page for any reasonable amount of time. |
| 05:45.22 | tyndral | i'm not sure what the magical trevor song is, but i suspect that's probably a good thing for me. |
| 05:46.12 | kergoth | yes |
| 05:46.35 | Iriel | www.weebls-stuff.co.uk |
| 05:46.56 | Iriel | look under toons |
| 05:47.12 | kergoth | ~llama |
| 05:47.13 | purl | well, llama is the incarnation of god on earth, or http://images2.jokaroo.net/flash/llamasong.swf |
| 05:47.26 | tyndral | mm, no speakers on this box, and no head on the box that has speakers, so I guess it'll have to wait til I get home. |
| 05:48.26 | tyndral | [however, i'm familiar with weebls stuff, and a big fan of both kenya and uh... hm, it may have been called "i see things" but i don't recall.. so I get a bit of an idea of what magical trevor might be :) |
| 05:48.30 | tyndral | ] |
| 05:49.52 | Iriel | Theres 3 of them too, watch them in order |
| 05:50.09 | Iriel | not that it REALLY matters, but I think they're funnier in order |
| 05:50.21 | tyndral | ok, will do :) |
| 05:51.00 | tyndral | i suppose with a bit of work i could try to launch them simultaneously on both boxes and maybe even end up with them ssynchronised, but it sounds like an awful lot of effort when i'll be home in 20 minutes. |
| 05:56.31 | Osagasu | nonono, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the incarnation of god to geeks. get it right |
| 05:56.37 | Osagasu | WWTFSMD? |
| 05:56.39 | kergoth | yay fsm |
| 05:56.56 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:56.57 | kergoth | ~fsm |
| 05:57.05 | kergoth | nothing? |
| 05:57.06 | kergoth | pfft |
| 05:57.13 | kergoth | it could either be finite state machine or flying spaghetti monster |
| 05:57.15 | kergoth | silly bot |
| 05:57.34 | Iriel | I love the FSM, I have the mug |
| 05:59.20 | tyndral | big fan of the 'touched by his noodly appendage |
| 05:59.23 | tyndral | ' pic. |
| 05:59.42 | Osagasu | ~FSM is The Flying Spaghetti Monster, the deity of the internet |
| 05:59.44 | purl | okay, Osagasu |
| 05:59.47 | Osagasu | ^_^ |
| 05:59.48 | tyndral | [enter key, please stay where you belong and don't jump under my finger when i want to hit the quote mark, kthxbi. |
| 06:01.04 | Osagasu | Its just a placeholder till someone gets a more thorough description |
| 06:01.12 | Osagasu | purl, who am I? |
| 06:01.13 | purl | osagasu shut up, you are a nobody |
| 06:01.21 | Osagasu | ~who me |
| 06:01.22 | purl | methinks osagasu is the annoying troll from the WoW forums who Honestly means well. a small time writer and dabbler in world wreation, whos life works are on display at http://kronusoverlord.deviantart.com/, or pwnt. an avid roleplayer. |
| 06:01.22 | tyndral | so anyway, i'm going home. tata. have funnies. |
| 06:01.30 | Osagasu | meh |
| 06:01.35 | Osagasu | I love typos |
| 06:03.37 | Osagasu | nini |
| 06:06.07 | futrtrubl | is purl having a break? |
| 06:06.50 | kergoth | ~ping |
| 06:06.51 | purl | pong |
| 06:07.05 | futrtrubl | guess not, guess she's just ignoring me |
| 06:07.19 | futrtrubl | ~x en fr glow |
| 06:08.00 | futrtrubl | ahhhhh, purl_ needs to be registered with nickserv |
| 06:08.08 | kergoth | aha |
| 06:08.25 | futrtrubl | purl was registered, not purl_ |
| 06:08.38 | kergoth | i'll poke tim |
| 06:08.54 | futrtrubl | thanks kergoth |
| 06:08.59 | kergoth | np |
| 06:09.51 | futrtrubl | ~x fr en Tictaquer |
| 06:10.15 | futrtrubl | ~x en fr tick |
| 06:11.10 | futrtrubl | what's a good way to get localizations for my mod? |
| 06:12.36 | Iriel | Depends what you need localized |
| 06:13.21 | futrtrubl | text for my options menu |
| 06:14.01 | Iriel | I'd say your best bet is to ask for them on whatever addon site you use |
| 06:14.09 | Iriel | hopefully someone will send them to you 8-) |
| 06:14.10 | futrtrubl | k |
| 06:14.20 | Iriel | If you need french you could try Shouryuu (or however that is spelled) |
| 06:14.49 | Iriel | if you're brave, anyway 8-) |
| 06:15.00 | futrtrubl | currently trying to do it via online translation services, but I'm sure I'm going to insult my users somehow ;'] |
| 06:15.09 | futrtrubl | why brave? |
| 06:18.18 | Iriel | Well, have you seen his CODE? 8-) |
| 06:19.09 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 06:29.53 | Guillotine | have you tried TALKING to him |
| 06:30.00 | Guillotine | i mean, just look at purl's emulation of him: |
| 06:30.04 | Guillotine | ~emulate shouryuu |
| 06:30.06 | purl | hehe. im shouryuu. hi. hehe. shouryuu |
| 06:30.17 | Guillotine | or you could ask purl for localizations! |
| 06:30.38 | Guillotine | ~x en fr You have three new messages |
| 06:33.18 | Guillotine | g2g guys |
| 06:33.19 | Guillotine | ttyl |
| 06:33.21 | Guillotine | purl, bye |
| 06:33.23 | purl | bye bye |
| 06:39.20 | AnduinLothar | anyone wanna help me test something? |
| 06:39.45 | AnduinLothar | i need someone to join my party and then ctrl-alt-del wow |
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| 06:51.50 | tyndral | Ir - EnableMouseWheel(nil) works perfectly. unsurprisingly. Thanks, champion. |
| 06:53.30 | tyndral | [on re-reading that, it seems that my intended adjectival use of 'champion' comes across as a noun. Oh well, shit happens. If you like to think I called you "champion" that's fine by me. If you prefer the less creepy implication of 'champion effort' then that's cool too. Choose your own meaning..] |
| 06:54.43 | Iriel | heh, the comma made me read it the way you intended. |
| 06:55.54 | Iriel | I'm not sure an American reader would have been as likely to think about it that way tho 8-) |
| 06:56.49 | tyndral | yuh, the comma was intended to work that way. on second thoughts, I decided a period may have made it clearer, but now I'm definitely leaning toward a semi-colon. |
| 06:59.07 | kergoth | it didnt read as creepy at first though, since my brain is on wow, so i read it like the pvp rank |
| 06:59.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:00.17 | Iriel | I read it like "That's champion that is!" |
| 07:00.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:00.49 | tyndral | that was the intention, Ir ;) |
| 07:00.55 | futrtrubl | same here, but that comes from 9 years of english boarding school |
| 07:01.56 | Iriel | heh, the extreme 'proper' education |
| 07:02.18 | futrtrubl | yeah, something I will never inflict on any children I may have |
| 07:02.21 | kergoth | pfft, proper. what's that mean? i'm american |
| 07:02.23 | kergoth | ;) |
| 07:02.40 | Iriel | I'd imagine boarding school's a bit wierd. |
| 07:02.51 | Iriel | (HOpefully that's the part you wouldn't inflict, not the english part) |
| 07:03.26 | tyndral | yeah, we don't really have it here, apart from 'specialist' education, like Scots College, which is scottish-run. it's a pretty weird idea. |
| 07:03.45 | futrtrubl | well, I'm not from England (I'm from one of the colonies ;'] ) so it was especially hard being thousands of miles away from home |
| 07:04.02 | tyndral | wow, that's even weirder. |
| 07:04.23 | tyndral | i think it'd make me wonder why my parents didn't like me. :) |
| 07:04.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:05.01 | futrtrubl | there were moments, but then I found out thy just didn't like each other and wanted to protect me from that |
| 07:05.13 | futrtrubl | plus the best education money can buy |
| 07:05.50 | Iriel | Anyone happen to notice if Blacksmithing got broken in the 1.8.3 patch? Or am I just 'lucky' today? |
| 07:06.10 | tyndral | broken how? |
| 07:06.26 | futrtrubl | anyways.... if I use LoadAddOn() does my code wait for the addon to load before continuing? |
| 07:06.33 | tyndral | fut: fair enough, too. |
| 07:06.45 | Iriel | I open the tradeskill window and it's blank, then I fiddle with some of the sort options, and stuff shows up, btu the main view doesn't have any headings |
| 07:06.50 | tyndral | never tried, but I would imagine so. single-threaded and all. |
| 07:06.52 | Iriel | then I got a LUA error of one of the reagent boxes |
| 07:07.04 | tyndral | mm. hang on a sec, I'll relog with my wifes smith and see. |
| 07:07.04 | Iriel | futrtrubl: Yes, it does, I tested that |
| 07:07.11 | futrtrubl | thank you |
| 07:08.40 | Iriel | I'll note a side effect of that is that your event handler can fire in the middle of another function |
| 07:09.59 | tyndral | ..or maybe i'll just look at a "connected" box for a while and see what happens next. |
| 07:10.47 | Iriel | Ack that sucks.. I got booted an hour or so ago, but got right back in when I tried. |
| 07:12.18 | tyndral | ahh, there we go. |
| 07:12.23 | tyndral | and smithing looks fine here. |
| 07:12.41 | tyndral | though i'm running kc_tradeskills which may or may not be hinding a problem. |
| 07:12.45 | tyndral | hiding* |
| 07:14.57 | Iriel | Possibly.. thanks for checking.. I'll try it again later I guess and see if it was just soemthing server-ish going on |
| 07:15.41 | tyndral | could be. that was on gilneas. don't know either of us have a smith on another server. |
| 07:15.53 | futrtrubl | is "if (IsAddOnLoaded("BEB")) then" correct usage? wowwiki was a bit confusing |
| 07:17.08 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 07:17.17 | Iriel | Yes, that is correct |
| 07:17.40 | futrtrubl | and my blacksmith is having no problems |
| 07:18.59 | Iriel | I guess i'm just lucky then, go me! |
| 07:21.48 | kergoth | whats the name of that thing blacksmiths can attach to a 2h weapon to increase its speed? |
| 07:21.51 | kergoth | i'm drawing a blank |
| 07:22.35 | Iriel | Err, I dont remember either, but I'm not high enough to have that pattern yet |
| 07:22.39 | Iriel | some kind of chain? |
| 07:22.39 | futrtrubl | counterwieght |
| 07:22.44 | kergoth | ah, thats it. thanks |
| 07:23.12 | kergoth | hmmm... 3% faster |
| 07:23.22 | futrtrubl | now you owe me ;'] |
| 07:23.36 | kergoth | i hate my memory |
| 07:24.00 | futrtrubl | it's all that online gaming kergoth |
| 07:25.19 | kergoth | i saw this great episode of this series ... this guy goes "you know how bad my memory is..." by way of exlpanation to his wife, and his friend goes "Who won the '88 world series?" and he answers off the top of his head, and his friend glances at the guy's wife and goes "your witness" |
| 07:25.30 | kergoth | my memory is like that. most selective :P |
| 07:31.00 | futrtrubl | are there any more reason codes for LoadAddOn() failure other than "DISABLED", "NOT_DEMAND_LOADED"? |
| 07:33.53 | Iriel | Not that i'm aware of BUT |
| 07:34.17 | Iriel | A quick perusal of the wow executable leads me to suspect that 'CORRUPT' and 'MISSING' may show up in the future |
| 07:37.42 | futrtrubl | well, I asume "MISSING" would show up now if you try to load an AddOn by name that doesn't exist, and "CORRUPT" for addons with bad xml. Does that sound logical? |
| 07:38.30 | Iriel | possibly, or CORRUPT could be for a 'secure' addon with a bad checksum |
| 07:38.47 | Iriel | you are correct on MISSING though |
| 07:38.49 | Iriel | I just tested it |
| 07:38.53 | futrtrubl | k |
| 07:39.42 | futrtrubl | I keep forgetting I could test this all myself from the chat line ingame.... sory about that |
| 07:40.24 | Iriel | Well, you might not have the game handy 8-) |
| 07:40.34 | Iriel | So dont worry about it, I have it 2 monitors <--- that way |
| 07:41.33 | futrtrubl | ummmmm, yes, that's why I didn't do it myself.... (tries to line about my blacksmith ;'] ) |
| 07:42.04 | futrtrubl | tries to *erase* the line ..... |
| 07:42.58 | Iriel | heh |
| 07:57.40 | tyndral | hmm. |
| 07:57.53 | tyndral | ...is this thing on? |
| 07:58.01 | Iriel | seems to be |
| 07:58.11 | tyndral | mpf. so why the hell doesn't http work? |
| 07:58.33 | futrtrubl | cuz' God hates you? |
| 07:58.38 | tyndral | oh, and now it does. |
| 07:58.45 | tyndral | so i guess he loves me again. |
| 07:58.49 | tyndral | oh well, at least i have internet. |
| 07:59.22 | futrtrubl | Deus ex Internet. |
| 07:59.22 | Iriel | And I got my rogue to level 43, whoo |
| 08:01.23 | tyndral | my priest is struggling toward 40. damn it's a hell of a thing to solo. |
| 08:01.31 | futrtrubl | nice Iriel. It's been so long since I just played WoW ;'] |
| 08:01.35 | tyndral | she's holy specced, which isn't helping. |
| 08:02.17 | Iriel | I'm fighting off a cold so I'm not really feeling like coding, so working on levelling seemed like a reasonable compromise. |
| 08:02.28 | tyndral | [but she's an absolute demo on drive-by heals. someone else having trouble soloing is in for a treat if she's around, but that isn't helping her level..] |
| 08:02.34 | tyndral | demon* |
| 08:03.44 | Iriel | I've never really been all that good at playing a priest |
| 08:04.01 | Iriel | It's not quite as bad a shaman (my least favorite class) though |
| 08:04.32 | futrtrubl | tried a priest once, got bored by lvl 10 |
| 08:04.55 | tyndral | i quite enjoy the keeping-party-alive aspect of it. she levelled from 25 to 30 almost exclusively by helping pickup groups through the stockades L( |
| 08:05.02 | tyndral | :)* |
| 08:05.26 | tyndral | anyways, i'm off to some sort of birthday thing at some sort of thai restaurant thingy. so have fun and all. |
| 08:05.41 | Iriel | enjoy, i'm out of here too soon. |
| 08:05.43 | futrtrubl | you too |
| 08:06.06 | Iriel | But I have to go listen to Leonard Nimoy read quotes in Civ 4 for a little bit first |
| 08:06.18 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 08:07.22 | futrtrubl | I want to go to bed, but first I have to track down where the templates I am using in my load on demand addon are using so I can include their xml files in my toc |
| 08:07.41 | futrtrubl | are = is |
| 08:19.18 | kergoth | i need to add an addon to my guild's addon set that just sets a bunch of vars to give people sane defaults for the addons one of these days |
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| 08:40.15 | futrtrubl | ok, I'm off to bed, see you tomorrow |
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| 09:15.30 | Industrial | https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&category=Tabbed%20Browsing&numpg=10&id=1419 |
| 09:15.36 | Industrial | Heaven for webdevs |
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| 13:33.26 | Osagasu | Mornin |
| 13:36.21 | Cide | morning |
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| 13:54.49 | Osagasu | Drink Decaf and DIE! |
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| 15:23.14 | shouryuu | raawr? |
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| 15:36.09 | Parak | mew |
| 16:02.48 | Osagasu | mrow? |
| 16:05.01 | shouryuu | rwaar? |
| 16:05.10 | shouryuu | ~rawr |
| 16:05.19 | AnduinLothar | belch |
| 16:07.42 | Osagasu | *urp* |
| 16:09.06 | Stylpe | Chu! |
| 16:09.19 | Osagasu | ~stab Stylpe |
| 16:09.21 | purl | ACTION runs at Stylpe with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 16:10.26 | Stylpe | ow! What was that for? =( |
| 16:10.26 | Osagasu | Nerf Paper! |
| 16:12.04 | futr-sleep | anybody else here a sci-fi geek? |
| 16:12.36 | AnduinLothar | woot scifi |
| 16:13.05 | Osagasu | ...sometimes |
| 16:13.36 | Rallion | kind of |
| 16:13.59 | futrtrubl | do you remember a "classic" scifi film set on a plannet that hard a dark side and a light side, worms that burow into peoples fight and drive them insane and "flesh gloves"? |
| 16:14.08 | futrtrubl | fight = feet |
| 16:14.13 | Osagasu | yea |
| 16:14.18 | Osagasu | I don't remember the name |
| 16:14.41 | shouryuu | that does sound geekish |
| 16:14.42 | futrtrubl | hmm, can you give me any other search terms I can use? |
| 16:14.44 | shouryuu | no offense :P |
| 16:14.58 | Osagasu | Well, if I'm thinking about the right one... those worms were used for some more of medicinal purpose at one point |
| 16:15.27 | Osagasu | or maybe they were purposefully put in for one reason or anohter |
| 16:15.30 | Osagasu | *another |
| 16:16.04 | futrtrubl | k |
| 16:18.37 | shouryuu | what's the best way to check if my variables have been saved/loaded properly? |
| 16:18.51 | Osagasu | HelliIfIKnow |
| 16:19.39 | shouryuu | lol thanks |
| 16:19.44 | shouryuu | wow |
| 16:19.48 | shouryuu | bloodthirst is one mean talent |
| 16:19.56 | Osagasu | so is mortal strike |
| 16:20.02 | futrtrubl | watch for VARIABLES_LOADED? |
| 16:20.09 | Stylpe | But Shield Slam > all ^_^ |
| 16:20.36 | shouryuu | ill try that futr |
| 16:25.02 | AnduinLothar | someone wanna help me teest something with Archeaologist? I basicly just need u to party with my and then ctrl-alt-del so i get the 'offline' party frame |
| 16:25.44 | AnduinLothar | bueler.. |
| 16:26.08 | Osagasu | I'll do it |
| 16:26.11 | Osagasu | where are you? |
| 16:26.26 | AnduinLothar | currently on Kil'Jaeden alliance |
| 16:26.37 | AnduinLothar | but i can move to another server if u already have a char |
| 16:27.03 | AnduinLothar | have a stormscale aliance member too |
| 16:27.17 | AnduinLothar | along wih half a dozen other servers |
| 16:27.38 | AnduinLothar | name on KJ is Anduinlothar |
| 16:28.40 | shouryuu | in order to flag a table for a savedvariables, all I have to do is put it's name in the TOC with a ##SavedVariables: before it right? |
| 16:28.47 | AnduinLothar | right |
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| 16:29.23 | Osagasu | done |
| 16:29.35 | AnduinLothar | good stuff, can u log back in now |
| 16:30.01 | AnduinLothar | and then die somehow, i'll test that text too |
| 16:30.31 | shouryuu | I have a priest if you want to test the dying part often |
| 16:30.41 | AnduinLothar | nah, just this once |
| 16:30.51 | shouryuu | :P |
| 16:31.26 | AnduinLothar | the Dead text was being overlayed on the primary hp txt which made it ugly and ahrd to read. |
| 16:31.33 | AnduinLothar | same with the Offline |
| 16:32.34 | AnduinLothar | cept Dea should only hide the primary HP, but offline should override it all and show nothing |
| 16:34.20 | AnduinLothar | good stuff, love it when it works first time thought |
| 16:35.01 | AnduinLothar | (if u don't count that this is the 30th version of arch..) |
| 16:35.28 | Kiliek | http://www.worldofwarcraft.co.kr/info/world/underdev/1p9/ |
| 16:35.32 | Rallion | argh I broke my website |
| 16:40.34 | shouryuu | dang my varaibles arent saving and I don't know why :( |
| 16:42.33 | shouryuu | If I want to save MyTalbe, and at the start of my add on I have local MyTable = {}, will it overwrite it each time? |
| 16:44.20 | shouryuu | apparently not |
| 16:44.50 | shouryuu | ugh this is killing me |
| 16:45.43 | Rallion | ohhh I didn't break the website I broke the addon I was usuing to get the data for it... |
| 16:45.51 | AnduinLothar | There we go: http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=552 Completely Standalone |
| 16:46.15 | AnduinLothar | Copies of MCom 1.49 and SeaHooks 0.1 are embedded but can also be used as standalone libraries and put in your AddOns fodler. SeaHooks is backwards compatible with Sea. |
| 16:59.41 | futrtrubl | shouryuu, MyTable = {} will only overwrite your savedvariable if it is called after VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 17:00.08 | futrtrubl | good morning Cair |
| 17:00.34 | futrtrubl | is'nt it just a wonderfull day? ;'] |
| 17:00.39 | Cide | http://imagelink.org/image/2081.jpg through http://imagelink.org/image/2089.jpg |
| 17:00.42 | Cair | better than yesterday, by far |
| 17:01.56 | shouryuu | well in both cases it seems to fail, before or after.. |
| 17:02.44 | shouryuu | argh this register for nick is killing me |
| 17:02.56 | shouryuu | i;ve done it twelve times and still isn't working |
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| 17:03.16 | futrtrubl | ./ns register <the password you want> |
| 17:03.47 | futrtrubl | then /ns identify <the passowrd you set> anytime you come on |
| 17:04.07 | shouryuu | ahh I seee |
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| 17:10.24 | Amicester | gah! |
| 17:10.46 | Amicester | Now I've done blown myself to pieces. |
| 17:11.06 | Amicester | mornin. |
| 17:11.18 | Cair | hi Amicester |
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| 17:12.01 | Cair | morning Iriel |
| 17:12.20 | Iriel | Good morning |
| 17:14.21 | Cair | I'm not sure I'd go *quite* that far, but "decent" morning certainly |
| 17:14.56 | Iriel | It's said as an assertion, more like 'This WILL be a good morning', more than 'This IS a good morning' 8-) |
| 17:15.00 | futrtrubl | morning Iriel |
| 17:15.06 | Cair | *chuckle* |
| 17:15.14 | Iriel | Mine certainly is no better than 'decent' at this point |
| 17:15.31 | Cair | Hope it gets better for you |
| 17:16.11 | Iriel | Depends on whether people show up to dig big holes in my front garden and driveway (which would be good) or not (which would be not so good) |
| 17:16.26 | Iriel | And then on whether I feel that I need to go to work if they DONT show |
| 17:17.23 | Cair | So for what reason do you wish people to dig big holes in your front garden and driveway? |
| 17:17.48 | Iriel | so they can repair a break in a pipe under there |
| 17:17.55 | Cair | Ugh |
| 17:18.01 | Rallion | +me kicks he stupid free webserver |
| 17:18.03 | Rallion | or /me |
| 17:18.11 | Iriel | (well, the two points are about 80 feet apart, so I should say, repair several breaks in a pipe under there) |
| 17:18.19 | futrtrubl | what webserver you using? |
| 17:18.19 | Cair | ewww, indeed |
| 17:18.35 | Rallion | lol freewebsitehost |
| 17:18.52 | Rallion | ooh, pipe repair, there's something I'm glad I don't do |
| 17:19.01 | Cair | But thank you for the reminder .. |
| 17:19.10 | AnduinLothar | SeaHooks submitted Cair |
| 17:19.45 | Cair | Approved AnduinLothar |
| 17:19.53 | kergoth`zzz | ~mornings |
| 17:19.54 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 17:20.04 | Cair | hi kergoth |
| 17:20.09 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:20.24 | AnduinLothar | OK Guys! SeaHooks: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4349 |
| 17:22.39 | Iriel | Ugh, what's this: Sea.util.getValue(origCopy):SetScript(scriptElementName, function(a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,a7,a8,a9,a10,a11,a12,a13,a14,a15,a16,a17,a18,a19,a20) return Sea.util.hookHandler(orig,a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,a7,a8,a9,a10,a11,a12,a13,a14,a15,a16,a17,a18,a19,a20); end); |
| 17:23.10 | Rallion | I just threw up a little |
| 17:23.19 | kergoth | looks like someone avoiding creating a temporary table and using unpack |
| 17:23.27 | kergoth | geh, i need caffeine |
| 17:23.31 | Iriel | Can't you either use ... and unpack? Or else deal with the fact that script handlers dont have arguments? |
| 17:23.50 | Cair | iirc, that is Thott's or Alex's way of obfuscating their code :p |
| 17:24.16 | Iriel | I think they're indeed attempting to do what kergoth suggests |
| 17:24.53 | Rallion | all right, website fixed...now if only I couldn't draw it on the screen faster than it loads |
| 17:26.10 | AnduinLothar | neither |
| 17:26.16 | AnduinLothar | avoiding unpack |
| 17:26.22 | AnduinLothar | because it creates gc |
| 17:26.52 | Iriel | unpack doesn't create gc |
| 17:26.58 | AnduinLothar | ... does |
| 17:27.00 | Iriel | it's the ... creation of the arg table that does |
| 17:28.00 | Iriel | Of course, the flip side of this is that argument-count-dependent functions will break if hooked by sea, but there aren't that many of those |
| 17:28.21 | kergoth | too bad bliz wont go to 5.1 |
| 17:28.27 | kergoth | 5.1 no longer creates a table with ... automatically |
| 17:28.33 | Tain | Plus it's ugly! |
| 17:28.50 | kergoth | function(...) a,b = ...; print(a); end |
| 17:29.01 | kergoth | or function(...) local mytable = {...} end |
| 17:29.27 | Tain | Conjunction junction, what's your function? |
| 17:29.29 | Iriel | heh, that's funny, that's exactly how i imagined it |
| 17:29.36 | Iriel | Have they added a 'pack' function? |
| 17:29.40 | Iriel | since {} doesn't QUITE work |
| 17:29.52 | Iriel | or does {...} have additional behaviour to make it work right? |
| 17:30.00 | kergoth | doesnt work in what way? |
| 17:30.11 | Iriel | if your arguments are 1,2,nil,7 |
| 17:30.24 | kergoth | ahh |
| 17:30.27 | Iriel | then {1,2,nil,7} gives table.getn of 2 (Obviously) |
| 17:30.27 | kergoth | not sure offhand |
| 17:30.34 | Iriel | but arg.n would have been 4 |
| 17:30.39 | Iriel | or is that what maxn is for? |
| 17:30.56 | kergoth | yep, thats what maxn gives you. it gives you the real highest, ,4, regardless of holes |
| 17:30.57 | kergoth | afaik |
| 17:31.16 | Iriel | now, the real question is.. which one does unpack use ? |
| 17:31.22 | kergoth | but its O(n), since it iterates over the elements of the table. its in C, but still. avoid it unless you /know/ your table can have holes |
| 17:31.29 | kergoth | excellent question |
| 17:31.34 | kergoth | i'll write a test case :) |
| 17:32.56 | Amicester | wait wait. |
| 17:33.04 | futrtrubl | unpack doesn't care whether the vals are keyed or not |
| 17:33.07 | Amicester | They changed the table constructor in 5.1? I must of missed something. |
| 17:33.55 | kergoth | no, they changed the way varargs work |
| 17:34.25 | kergoth | Iriel: it works perfectly. {...} not only has a correct table.maxn, it has a correct #t as well, despite the hole |
| 17:34.32 | Iriel | unpack goes to table.n today |
| 17:34.48 | kergoth | and unpack behaves, i returned unpack({...}) and i get all the elements |
| 17:34.49 | Iriel | if it has one, that is. |
| 17:34.53 | kergoth | including ones after the hole(s) |
| 17:34.54 | Iriel | kergoth: Excellent |
| 17:36.08 | Iriel | does that work for explicit constructions too? |
| 17:36.26 | Iriel | If you do X={1,2,nil,7}; return unpack(X); what do you get? |
| 17:36.31 | Iriel | In 5.0 you get 1 2 |
| 17:36.43 | kergoth | just tested that |
| 17:36.47 | kergoth | unpack is fixed in the general case |
| 17:36.51 | kergoth | you get all the elements |
| 17:37.05 | Iriel | is it unpack that got fixed, or {} |
| 17:37.15 | Iriel | can you do X={1,2,nil,7} return table.getn(X) ? |
| 17:37.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Industrial (n=tom@hellsblade.xs4all.nl) |
| 17:37.21 | Iriel | 5.0 returns 2 |
| 17:37.26 | kergoth | both #t and maxn return 4 in that case |
| 17:37.36 | Iriel | very nice. |
| 17:37.54 | kergoth | the varargs change is probably one of the best things about 5.1 imho |
| 17:39.28 | Iriel | Did they add something similar for return values? |
| 17:39.42 | Iriel | (For pass-through, more than access) |
| 17:40.50 | kergoth | ... is essentially an object that when referenced is the same as calling a function to get them as the list of return values. so just as you can do 'return otherfunction()' to return all of its return values, so can you return ... |
| 17:40.52 | kergoth | if thats your question |
| 17:41.24 | Iriel | it's not 8-) |
| 17:41.36 | kergoth | also, they added a function to let you skip the first elements of such a list. a,b = select(2, foo()) skips the first return value of foo, giving you the second and third in a and b |
| 17:41.48 | kergoth | which will be handy fro things like string.find |
| 17:41.51 | Iriel | it's a better way to do this: |
| 17:42.15 | Iriel | function X(...) Y={oldX(...)} stuff return unpack(Y) end |
| 17:42.25 | Iriel | which is where the broken {} n problem comes in today |
| 17:42.33 | AnduinLothar | anyway, we haven't seen anything with more thand 20 arguments, even ones using ... so it's virtually a non issue using 20 local vars |
| 17:42.52 | AnduinLothar | but ur right, it's ugly |
| 17:43.16 | AnduinLothar | efficiency isn't always pretty |
| 17:43.30 | Iriel | Well, script handlers dont have ANY arguments, but I suppose for the sake of consistency that'll have to do 8-) |
| 17:44.21 | kergoth | rici did point out a couple of limitations with ... though, mainly in the case of nesting |
| 17:44.33 | kergoth | function foo(...) local function bar(...) end end |
| 17:44.53 | kergoth | need a way to name the ... list |
| 17:45.02 | kergoth | or optimally, get a true tuple type |
| 17:45.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:45.16 | Iriel | Well it's a special stack-only tuple type |
| 17:45.26 | Iriel | so that might be a challenge, though perhaps not |
| 17:45.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 17:45.38 | Guillotine | rawr |
| 17:45.53 | Iriel | the naming thing is a problem because it's got to act like a value not a reference, but its variably sized |
| 17:45.58 | AnduinLothar | right. i could make a sepperate scrpt handler function that takes and gives no args, but it would be identical except for the declared local vars, more elegant to just use one system |
| 17:46.38 | AnduinLothar | class |
| 17:46.42 | kergoth | naming isnt a problem. if '...' was just, from the perspective of the function, a local tuple.. then you can go local foo = ..., and let the subjection access the upvalue |
| 17:46.53 | kergoth | or local a,b,c = (...)() to get at its values |
| 17:46.53 | Tain | ~emulate me |
| 17:46.55 | purl | WWTFSMD?, or <action> slaps %randnick around with a frenic horrid trout of pwnage |
| 17:47.10 | kergoth | s/subjection/sub function/ |
| 17:47.12 | kergoth | silly fingers |
| 17:47.18 | Guillotine | tain: you have to do || for an or |
| 17:47.21 | Tain | ~literal emulate tain |
| 17:47.22 | purl | "emulate tain" is "<reply>Why the hell am I still sober?" |
| 17:47.29 | Tain | ~emulate me |
| 17:47.30 | purl | WWTFSMD?, or <action> slaps %randnick around with a frenic horrid trout of pwnage |
| 17:47.34 | kergoth | ~forget emulate me |
| 17:47.34 | Tain | purl |
| 17:47.56 | Tain | ~emulate me |
| 17:47.57 | purl | WWTFSMD?, or <action> slaps %randnick around with a frenic horrid trout of pwnage |
| 17:47.59 | kergoth | purl_: forget emulate me |
| 17:48.04 | Tain | I hate you. |
| 17:48.04 | kergoth | .. |
| 17:48.07 | kergoth | it doesnt like me :( |
| 17:48.07 | Guillotine | ~emulate me |
| 17:48.08 | purl | WWTFSMD?, or <action> slaps %randnick around with a frenic horrid trout of pwnage |
| 17:48.14 | Guillotine | purl, forget emulate me |
| 17:48.16 | futrtrubl | ~forget emulate tain |
| 17:48.21 | kergoth | purl_: no, emulate me is |
| 17:48.21 | Iriel | That would lead to ambiguity later on though, a statement like setglobal("xyz", foo) means EITHER set xyz to the value of foo, or set XYZ to the first value of the foo tuple |
| 17:48.22 | Tain | No damnit |
| 17:48.28 | Tain | ~unforget emulate tain |
| 17:48.28 | purl | Tain: cannot undeleted 'emulate tain' because it already exists! |
| 17:48.32 | Guillotine | purl, emulate me is |
| 17:48.41 | kergoth | Iriel: no, the way i described results in the values of the tuple being accessble when you -call- the tuple |
| 17:48.49 | Tain | Screw you purl |
| 17:48.52 | Tain | ~emulate Tain |
| 17:48.53 | purl | Why the hell am I still sober? |
| 17:48.57 | kergoth | xyz = foo would never give you the first value of the tuple |
| 17:49.00 | kergoth | xyz = foo() would |
| 17:49.12 | Iriel | then what does my global get set to? |
| 17:49.15 | Tain | purl drives me to drink |
| 17:49.18 | shouryuu | lol |
| 17:49.19 | kergoth | the tuple. |
| 17:49.21 | Iriel | it obviously can't be set to the tuple |
| 17:49.26 | shouryuu | it's all his fault! |
| 17:49.29 | kergoth | of course it can |
| 17:49.33 | Iriel | You can't do that though, because the tuple doesn't exist |
| 17:49.44 | Iriel | Unless it's a reference, in which case you're back to the GC problem again |
| 17:49.53 | kergoth | first of all, lua is not stack based |
| 17:49.55 | kergoth | its register based |
| 17:49.56 | Guillotine | purl, nickometer Shouryuu |
| 17:50.02 | shouryuu | hahaha |
| 17:50.04 | Guillotine | wow! gj shour! |
| 17:50.06 | shouryuu | :D |
| 17:50.10 | shouryuu | I'm da man |
| 17:50.13 | Guillotine | ~nickometer Guillotine |
| 17:50.18 | Guillotine | woohoo! |
| 17:50.26 | shouryuu | is every nick 0.000% lame? |
| 17:50.29 | kergoth | no |
| 17:50.30 | Guillotine | ~nickometer Tain |
| 17:50.31 | shouryuu | or are we the only Uber people here |
| 17:50.36 | shouryuu | meh |
| 17:50.38 | Guillotine | i guess were all just uber |
| 17:50.38 | Iriel | I guess we're back to "where does ... live, and why doesn't it create a GC issue" |
| 17:50.39 | shouryuu | it's rigged |
| 17:50.50 | Cair | ugh, stop with the stupid bot already! |
| 17:50.53 | futrtrubl | ~nickometer 12h348fn325nuv9 |
| 17:50.54 | Guillotine | ~nickometer Cair |
| 17:50.57 | shouryuu | ~nickometer cair |
| 17:50.57 | kergoth | .. |
| 17:51.02 | kergoth | guys, stop spamming |
| 17:51.02 | shouryuu | lol |
| 17:51.03 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [purl_!n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] by Cair (Cair) |
| 17:51.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge purl_ (i=ibot@rikers.org) |
| 17:51.26 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is WoWI-Lounge. Kick back, relax, hang out. But get along or get out. |
| 17:51.37 | Guillotine | wb purl |
| 17:51.39 | Cair | my point is made, I trust? |
| 17:51.41 | Guillotine | yes |
| 17:51.42 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 17:51.43 | Cair | good |
| 17:51.55 | Amicester | heh. I' |
| 17:52.10 | Cair | there was a for real conversation going on, suddenly deciding to spam the dumb bot in the middle of it is just rude |
| 17:52.17 | kergoth | anyway, my knowledge of lua internals is still limited, so i couldnt say how best itd be done |
| 17:52.25 | Cair | when there is nothing going on, is one thing, but in the middle of a conversation is just rude |
| 18:01.02 | Rallion | on the one hand, I want to look...on the other, I am scared. |
| 18:01.27 | kergoth | hmm, http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2005-11/msg00133.html is interesting |
| 18:01.30 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 18:05.39 | Cair | okay, I'm out for a while |
| 18:05.42 | Guillotine | haha. best forum quote ever (albiet wrong): |
| 18:05.44 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.49 | Guillotine | There are single female gamers - but there is a reason they are single. |
| 18:05.54 | Guillotine | There are single female gamers who seem ok |
| 18:05.58 | Guillotine | Those ones are men |
| 18:06.37 | Cair|afk | I like this line: Female gamers do exist, but they're all fat. |
| 18:06.42 | kergoth | a friend of mine is a single female gamer. cute, too. course the single part probably wont be lasting long. |
| 18:06.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:06.57 | Cair|afk | *looks at her 115lb self* |
| 18:07.05 | Cair|afk | I don't think I'm particularly fat |
| 18:07.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:07.13 | Tain | There are single male gamers - but there is a reason they are single. |
| 18:07.56 | Guillotine | ya. my gf is less than 100 pounds... not fat |
| 18:08.02 | Guillotine | that thread is pretty funny though |
| 18:08.08 | Tain | Less than 100 pounds? Get her a sammich |
| 18:08.23 | Guillotine | lol |
| 18:08.36 | Cair|afk | I *was*, until the meds I'm on |
| 18:08.56 | Cair|afk | From the time I was 16 until these meds, the only time I ever broke 100lbs was while I was pregnant |
| 18:09.11 | Cair|afk | and within two weeks of giving birth to my daughter, I was back down to my usual 95lbs |
| 18:09.33 | Guillotine | yup. some ppl are just naturally skinny |
| 18:09.42 | Guillotine | yay for eating lots of stuff and still being thin :D |
| 18:09.54 | kergoth | i miss my quick metabolism |
| 18:09.57 | kergoth | aging sucks ass |
| 18:10.01 | Cair|afk | Anyway, really am out now, have to go let the folks' dog out for a run |
| 18:10.06 | kergoth | have fun |
| 18:11.08 | Guillotine | geez. the new judgement art looks awesome |
| 18:11.19 | Guillotine | and the new stormrage makes druids look like a moose |
| 18:14.38 | Industrial | anyone poked at Ace Unit Frames yet with WOW UI Designer? |
| 18:14.40 | Industrial | http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/2195/untitled8cp.png |
| 18:26.17 | futrtrubl | My addon makes WoW crash. Where's Tem? ;'] |
| 18:27.21 | Eraphine|Disco | retardedly easy question: |
| 18:27.45 | Eraphine|Disco | how is SetUpFrame = function (x,y,z) different than Function SetUpFrame(x,y,z) ? |
| 18:28.01 | kergoth | there is no difference |
| 18:28.05 | futrtrubl | none |
| 18:28.09 | Cide | MystykalYM: I guess |
| 18:28.09 | Cide | MystykalYM: I dunno |
| 18:28.09 | kergoth | other than the fact taht the latter syntax doesnt work inside of a table constructor |
| 18:28.10 | Cide | err |
| 18:28.15 | Cide | yeah, was going to say that |
| 18:28.26 | Cide | you can use the former to set a table index to that function |
| 18:28.56 | kergoth | theres a patch in lua powerpatches to make that work inside of table constructors :) not that it helps us in wow, but.. |
| 18:29.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Natasem (n=Natasem@h-64-105-32-25.snvacaid.covad.net) |
| 18:29.37 | Eraphine|Disco | thanks guys ;) |
| 18:30.11 | kergoth | consider the function name() .. end as syntactic sugar |
| 18:30.15 | kergoth | hey Natasem |
| 18:31.57 | Eraphine|Disco | So, is it always preferable to use myfuncname = func() ? |
| 18:32.09 | kergoth | just a matter of personal preference |
| 18:32.09 | Iriel | depends what you're doing |
| 18:32.12 | Eraphine|Disco | since that format can be used everywhere? |
| 18:32.17 | Natasem | YaY |
| 18:32.19 | Iriel | function myfuncname() .. end is more readable, I think |
| 18:32.24 | Eraphine|Disco | it is for me. |
| 18:32.25 | kergoth | yeah, it looks nicer |
| 18:32.35 | Natasem | even Norton is gettin pissed at Sony's BMG bs. http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/securityrisk.aries.html |
| 18:32.39 | Iriel | though inside a table constructor, i'd go the other way |
| 18:32.50 | kergoth | inside a table constructor, you have to go the other way :) |
| 18:32.54 | Iriel | I think the assignment version is more readable because it reminds you where you are |
| 18:33.02 | Iriel | Well, yes, but you mentioned a patch to change that |
| 18:33.05 | Natasem | anyone see the new Tier 2 graphics ? |
| 18:33.10 | Iriel | I'd find that counter-intuitive |
| 18:33.30 | Natasem | http://www.worldofwarcraft.co.kr/info/world/underdev/1p9/ |
| 18:33.40 | kergoth | i actually prefer the foo = function() end syntax in general, just because thats what's really happening |
| 18:34.18 | Eraphine|Disco | so |
| 18:34.21 | Eraphine|Disco | for a call like this |
| 18:34.22 | Eraphine|Disco | Timex:AddNamedSchedule("ChefBar", 0.5, TRUE, nil, function() self:BuffCheck() end) |
| 18:34.44 | Eraphine|Disco | where I needed to add the BuffCheck() function to a timex table |
| 18:35.07 | Eraphine|Disco | you're saying if I had used the foo = func() syntax I wouldn't need the extra function() .. end around the function? |
| 18:35.08 | kergoth | that's creating a new function in which self is an upvalue, since timex wont know to pass self to buffcheck for you |
| 18:35.12 | kergoth | nope |
| 18:35.20 | kergoth | this is completely different |
| 18:35.20 | Eraphine|Disco | well damn i'm lost |
| 18:35.20 | Natasem | booo http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/home.html |
| 18:35.36 | Eraphine|Disco | oh nm. I get it |
| 18:35.40 | Eraphine|Disco | I created a new function |
| 18:35.41 | kergoth | you need foo = function() end inside of _table constructors_, aka {} |
| 18:36.07 | kergoth | yep, and the new function passes self for you. its a closure, holds self internally as an upvalue |
| 18:36.18 | Eraphine|Disco | because self gets replaced with ChefBar |
| 18:36.26 | Eraphine|Disco | When the function is created |
| 18:36.28 | Eraphine|Disco | nods |
| 18:36.47 | pagefault | I wish you could slip these wyverns some steroids |
| 18:39.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 18:39.23 | Guillotine | rawr |
| 18:40.28 | futrtrubl | anyone know why the Insert() method should be crashing WoW? |
| 18:41.00 | Iriel | Bad font? |
| 18:41.19 | Iriel | Or, if it's the ChatFrame edit box, and you're doingit DURING the processing of a slash command |
| 18:41.38 | futrtrubl | not that I can see for the first, and no for th second |
| 18:41.55 | Iriel | what's the crash? |
| 18:41.58 | kergoth | err, during the processing? slash command processing is a seperate thread? |
| 18:42.03 | Iriel | Is it a stack overflow? |
| 18:42.29 | futrtrubl | let me do it again, brb |
| 18:42.48 | Iriel | Well, from the point you hit enter to the point that the slash command handler finishes, I've found the edit box to be a bit "twitchy" |
| 18:42.58 | Iriel | maybe it's much better now, this was some time ago |
| 18:43.38 | futrtrubl | ACCESS_VIOLATION |
| 18:43.49 | kergoth | i wish wow had coroutines :) |
| 18:43.59 | futrtrubl | ERROR #132 |
| 18:44.06 | Guillotine | i hate 132 |
| 18:47.52 | Rallion | they should change it to say something more fun than "ERROR #132" since it's meaningless anyway |
| 18:48.00 | Rallion | something like "OH NOES!" |
| 18:48.18 | Guillotine | lol |
| 18:50.37 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 18:50.53 | futrtrubl | oh, I ran Iriel away |
| 18:51.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine_ (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 18:51.31 | futrtrubl | they're multiplying!!! |
| 18:52.17 | Guillotine_ | lol |
| 18:53.11 | Guillotine | cair, are you here? |
| 18:53.31 | Guillotine | guess not. looks like its time to abus... i mean use the bot |
| 18:53.32 | futrtrubl | walking the dog I believe |
| 18:53.47 | Guillotine | ~emulate me |
| 18:53.48 | purl | WWTFSMD?, or <action> slaps %randnick around with a frenic horrid trout of pwnage |
| 18:53.54 | Guillotine | ~literal emulate me |
| 18:53.56 | purl | "emulate me" is "<reply> WWTFSMD?, or <action> slaps %randnick around with a frenic horrid trout of pwnage" |
| 18:54.29 | Guillotine | purl, no, emulate me is <action> asks people to act like her. Talk about crazy |
| 18:54.30 | purl | okay, Guillotine |
| 18:54.35 | Guillotine | ~emulate me |
| 18:54.36 | purl | ACTION asks people to act like her. Talk about crazy |
| 18:54.48 | Guillotine | purl, emulate guillotine |
| 18:54.49 | purl | woohoo! spoofing links is fun! |
| 18:54.55 | futrtrubl | better |
| 18:55.13 | Guillotine | im bored |
| 18:55.28 | futrtrubl | ~emulate futrtrubl |
| 18:55.29 | purl | Where's my pants?, or <reply> Time for anime!, or <reply> Ooh, nice picture. <reply> Hey look, a praying mantis! Where's my camera? |
| 18:55.36 | futrtrubl | huh? |
| 18:55.47 | futrtrubl | where'd that come from? |
| 18:56.07 | Guillotine | lets see |
| 18:56.13 | Guillotine | ~factinfo emulate futrtrubl |
| 18:56.13 | purl | emulate futrtrubl -- last modified 3d 2h 53m 47s ago by futrtrubl!n=not@24-117-41-234.cpe.cableone.net; it has been requested 2 times, last by futrtrubl, 44s ago. |
| 18:56.20 | Guillotine | looks like you mde it |
| 18:56.37 | Guillotine | you dont do "or" you do || |
| 18:56.45 | futrtrubl | me?! wtf? my gf must have got on my comp |
| 18:56.49 | Guillotine | lol |
| 18:56.53 | Guillotine | apparently |
| 18:57.18 | Guillotine | your gf is a pretty quick learner to almost get that command right ;) |
| 18:57.24 | futrtrubl | ~forget emulate futrtrubl |
| 18:57.43 | futrtrubl | she's a computer geek ;'] |
| 18:58.00 | Guillotine | ahh |
| 18:58.32 | Guillotine | ~no, emulate futrtrubl is <reply> what DOES my name mean anyway? the world may never know |
| 18:58.43 | futrtrubl | hehehe\ |
| 18:59.11 | futrtrubl | but purl isn't saying ok, is she ok? |
| 18:59.20 | futrtrubl | ~emulate futrtrubl |
| 18:59.23 | purl | Where's my pants?, or <reply> Time for anime!, or <reply> Ooh, nice picture. <reply> Hey look, a praying mantis! Where's my camera? |
| 18:59.53 | futrtrubl | purl, no, emulate futrtrubl is <reply> what DOES my name mean anyway? the world may never know |
| 18:59.54 | purl | futrtrubl: okay |
| 19:05.56 | Guillotine | ~emulate futrtrubl |
| 19:05.57 | purl | what DOES my name mean anyway? the world may never know |
| 19:06.04 | Guillotine | gj :) |
| 19:07.07 | futrtrubl | she doesn't seem to respond to ~ anymore |
| 19:07.26 | futrtrubl | for setting things |
| 19:08.21 | kergoth | Guillotine: bug in blootbot. 'no, ' syntax only works when directly addressing the bot, not with ~ |
| 19:08.33 | Guillotine | tnx :) |
| 19:08.41 | kergoth | one day thatll annoy me sufficiently that i'll fix it |
| 19:09.51 | kergoth | ~larson's rule #1 of open source |
| 19:09.52 | purl | One must reach the level of sufficient annoyance in order to overcome a developer's laziness and thereby cause productivity. Or it must be a really cool hack. |
| 19:10.22 | Guillotine | lol |
| 19:20.41 | Guillotine | welcome back cair :) |
| 19:20.45 | Cair | thanks |
| 19:20.46 | Guillotine | im bored |
| 19:21.25 | futrtrubl | fix my addon then ;'] |
| 19:21.40 | shouryuu | lol i was going to say the same thing |
| 19:21.56 | Guillotine | ok. what addon? |
| 19:22.02 | futrtrubl | still giving you probs shou? |
| 19:22.03 | Guillotine | ill see if i can find the problem |
| 19:22.13 | shouryuu | yeah still can't get those variables to load |
| 19:22.23 | shouryuu | I gave up and am going to actualy play the game |
| 19:22.23 | Guillotine | although ireil tells me your coding is scary |
| 19:22.47 | futrtrubl | mine or shou's? |
| 19:23.02 | Guillotine | shour's |
| 19:23.07 | Guillotine | never been told about yours :P |
| 19:23.20 | Guillotine | so what addon are you making that you're having trouble with? |
| 19:23.37 | futrtrubl | me or shouryuu? |
| 19:29.27 | Guillotine | both of you |
| 19:30.25 | futrtrubl | http://edowner.myserver.org/BEB_0.61.zip |
| 19:31.23 | futrtrubl | type /beb, click on the "Bar Text" button, click on the button next to the editbox and click on one of the options.... that's the error |
| 19:32.15 | Guillotine | so... wahts it supposed to do? |
| 19:32.35 | Guillotine | ug. check out http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/04/secfocus_wow_bot/ |
| 19:32.41 | Guillotine | looks like cheating may become more rampant... |
| 19:32.44 | futrtrubl | not crash ;'], it's supposed to insert some text into the editbox |
| 19:34.14 | futrtrubl | silly Sony |
| 19:36.12 | futrtrubl | brb |
| 19:39.38 | futrtrubl | back |
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| 19:41.34 | Tain | Old news! And really people cheating get caught a lot becaues of their behaviour, not just because of the software that's running. |
| 19:42.10 | Tain | It's really not hard to spot someone who fishes for eight hours straight and always casts and loots on exactlythe same timing. |
| 19:42.49 | Tain | etc. etc. people cheat, and people get caught, and then people cheat in other ways until they get caught. It's the neverending cycle. |
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| 19:43.02 | futrtrubl | Darwinian |
| 19:43.37 | Tain | Darwin was too soft. |
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| 19:48.23 | Iriel | re-hello all |
| 19:48.49 | Tain | Hey ya |
| 19:49.55 | Cair | hey Iriel :) |
| 19:50.21 | futrtrubl | wb Iriel |
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| 19:55.28 | Tem | rawr! |
| 19:55.39 | Cair | *purr* |
| 19:55.41 | futrtrubl | finally! |
| 19:55.42 | Tem | ~today |
| 19:55.43 | purl | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 19:55.48 | Tem | lol |
| 19:55.58 | futrtrubl | Tem, I crashed WoW! |
| 19:55.59 | Tem | well, my weekend has started |
| 19:56.00 | Guillotine___ | wtf. lol. theres 4 guillotines |
| 19:56.02 | Tem | Oh noes |
| 19:56.08 | Tem | futrtrubl: how? |
| 19:56.28 | Tem | Oh lol, I just remembered a dream I had last night... |
| 19:56.29 | futrtrubl | Insert()ing text into an editbox (not the chat one) |
| 19:56.33 | Guillotine | tem: uh oh |
| 19:56.40 | Tem | I crashed wow by playing with metatables again |
| 19:56.57 | Guillotine | futrtrubl: couldnt you just use SetValue()? |
| 19:56.58 | Tem | futrtrubl: oh yeah, editboxes are finiky |
| 19:57.14 | Tem | Guillotine, you're a big fan of SetValue aren't you |
| 19:57.19 | Guillotine | yes |
| 19:57.22 | futrtrubl | that would overwrite everything in there already, insert adds it |
| 19:57.45 | Guillotine | ok, why not EditBox:SetValue(EditBox:GetValue()..myaddedtext); |
| 19:57.51 | Guillotine | :) |
| 19:57.58 | Guillotine | thats what i did |
| 19:58.12 | futrtrubl | that adds it at the end, Insert adds it at the cursor position |
| 19:58.17 | Guillotine | oh |
| 19:58.26 | Tem | I need to do some stuff with them soon. |
| 19:58.27 | Guillotine | then i have no idea |
| 19:58.41 | Tem | I have a tab-completion addon in the works that will need to do that |
| 19:58.53 | Guillotine | tab completion? |
| 19:58.54 | futrtrubl | but I may just go that route if I can't stop it crashing |
| 19:59.23 | Tem | Guillotine, tab completion of friend/guildie names |
| 19:59.29 | Guillotine | ahhh |
| 19:59.30 | Guillotine | coolio |
| 19:59.37 | Tem | also raid, and party members |
| 19:59.49 | Guillotine | awesome |
| 19:59.51 | Guillotine | ill help test it :D |
| 19:59.58 | Guillotine | if you need testers |
| 20:00.19 | Tem | I'm going to need testers for a different addon pretty soon |
| 20:00.57 | Guillotine | cool |
| 20:00.58 | Tem | I'm in the middle of a complete rewrite of FilterTradeSkill, and I'm adding a lot of features |
| 20:01.18 | Guillotine | oh. well, i dont know how much i can help with that (my main is mining/skinning) but i do have an enchanter/tailor... |
| 20:01.19 | Tem | I should probably rename it because it's going to be so different that my previous versions |
| 20:01.41 | Tem | I'm going to need an enchanting tester, since I don't have an enchanter |
| 20:01.51 | futrtrubl | I have an enchanter |
| 20:01.57 | Guillotine | i volunteer :D my enchanter is level 147 or something |
| 20:02.16 | Tem | oh and speaking of tailoring... I need to get back to grinding that. I got a hold of a pattern for Robe of the Archmage and I can't wait to make it for myself |
| 20:02.19 | Tem | great |
| 20:02.27 | Tem | I'll come here when it's ready for testing |
| 20:04.06 | Guillotine | bye bye my clones |
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| 20:10.50 | futrtrubl | your clones are persistent |
| 20:11.21 | Guillotine___ | yes they are |
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| 20:13.04 | Guillotine | http://www.physorg.com/news8042.html |
| 20:13.17 | Guillotine | an anti-gravity device was actually patented... |
| 20:13.25 | Guillotine | first patent that defies the known laws of physics |
| 20:14.02 | Iriel | Further proof the US patent office is a joke |
| 20:14.08 | Guillotine | yup |
| 20:14.24 | Guillotine | well, at least that its possible to dupe them |
| 20:15.51 | Guillotine | and http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=pope_speaks_on_evolution&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1. The pope has made an official announcment that evolution is incorrect |
| 20:16.18 | Rallion | no he didn't |
| 20:16.28 | Rallion | he didn't say anything about evolution |
| 20:16.36 | Guillotine | hey... your right |
| 20:16.41 | Guillotine | thats a misleading title |
| 20:17.14 | Guillotine | its really only evolution hes talking about if you take it in that context. id have to see to whom he said it... |
| 20:17.14 | Rallion | I don't expect him to say anything on evolution, ever |
| 20:17.55 | Rallion | the old pope said that evolution could have easily been the method God used to create...everything |
| 20:18.31 | Iriel | There was another story about the vatican dissing 'Intelligent Design' i could have sworn I saw this morning |
| 20:19.12 | Guillotine | that would be http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=the_vatican_gets_right_with_science_agai&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 |
| 20:19.22 | Guillotine | two contradicting articles from the same author... |
| 20:19.49 | Iriel | No, it was a different one |
| 20:20.17 | Rallion | Those two are only contradictory if you assume that evolution and ID are mutually exclusive |
| 20:20.26 | Rallion | which the author seems to |
| 20:20.50 | Rallion | but afaik the vatican's 'official' position is that they aren't |
| 20:21.08 | Rallion | I dunno, I'm starting to respect the vatican a little bit |
| 20:21.10 | Rallion | surprising |
| 20:22.02 | Iriel | I guess it's more "Intelligent Design" versus "Natural Selection" |
| 20:23.09 | Guillotine | rallion: true. im saying the ARTICLES are contradictory. in that in one he SAYS that the vatican is approving evolution and in one that its denying it. I didnt say the vatican was being contradictory |
| 20:24.18 | Iriel | though one could argue that God set up the whole schebang so we'd be the result, then let natural selection/evolution run its course in his created universe. |
| 20:24.25 | Stylpe | kergoth: Are you here? |
| 20:24.36 | Iriel | And that things are the way they are simply because that's how He wanted it to be. |
| 20:25.03 | Iriel | That one's going to be rather hard to disprove, but can be turned around in some not so useful ways. |
| 20:25.13 | Stylpe | Okay, does anyone else know anything about OOP in Lua? |
| 20:25.14 | Tain | I believe in the great Burrito theory. |
| 20:25.19 | Iriel | Yes |
| 20:25.24 | Iriel | to the OOP question |
| 20:25.29 | Iriel | I did Bookworm that way |
| 20:25.54 | Stylpe | Okay, can you tell me the difference between an object and a table that has functions in it? |
| 20:26.12 | Iriel | It's whether the functions expect an initial 'self' argument which is the table |
| 20:26.32 | Iriel | Though often one uses a metatable to share the 'functions' between multiple object tables. |
| 20:26.41 | Iriel | in which case 'self' is the object table |
| 20:27.36 | Iriel | i.e. function MyObject:MyFunction(x,y,z) is the same as function MyObject.MyFunction(self,x,y,z) |
| 20:27.48 | kergoth | s/self/MyObject/ |
| 20:28.29 | Iriel | likewise obj:MyFunction(x,z,y) is the same as obj.MyFunction(obj,x,y,z) (Except for how many times the expression obj is evaluated) |
| 20:28.48 | Iriel | kergoth: No, not changing anything |
| 20:29.42 | kergoth | i'm clarifying it for Stylpe |
| 20:29.43 | Iriel | OO in LUA is basically a mix of convention and syntactic sugar |
| 20:29.53 | Iriel | But your 'clarification' is wrong 8-) |
| 20:30.01 | kergoth | you didnrt specify whether that "MyObject.MyFunction(self,x,y,z)" was a function call or a function definition |
| 20:30.03 | kergoth | no, it wasnt. |
| 20:30.09 | kergoth | from the function call perspective, it was correct |
| 20:30.10 | Iriel | I put the word 'function' in front |
| 20:30.17 | Iriel | Last time I checked that was a function declaration |
| 20:30.18 | kergoth | oh, right, i'm just blind then |
| 20:30.23 | Stylpe | =) |
| 20:30.37 | Iriel | Does IRC support markup? |
| 20:30.42 | Iriel | such as, bold? |
| 20:30.49 | Stylpe | I think so |
| 20:30.56 | Tain | Some clients do, some don't. Not markup though, control signals. |
| 20:31.21 | Tain | I think this is one |
| 20:31.24 | kergoth | yeah. not part of hte irc protocol. no real standard. in general, bold, colors, etc is looked down upon |
| 20:31.40 | kergoth | and tends to get one kicked ;) |
| 20:31.49 | Tain | People generally get annoyed when you beep a lot too. |
| 20:31.51 | Iriel | I wondered if it had evolved any since the early 90's |
| 20:32.33 | kergoth | although, to be horribly pedantic, my s/// wasnt "wrong", just ugly and unnecessary. you can call your local argument one whatever you want ;) |
| 20:33.03 | Tain | Kind of like having sex with a prostitute. |
| 20:33.12 | Iriel | well, true, but if you do that, you'll find that the rest of your function body has to change |
| 20:33.19 | Tain | It's not wrong, it's just ugly and unecessary. |
| 20:33.25 | Tain | Wait I guess it is wrong too. |
| 20:33.31 | Iriel | wheras those two of mine would be interchangable for a given function definition. |
| 20:34.03 | Iriel | It depends, if the person wasn't supplying you with prostitution (Say was your gf or wife) then it wouldn't be... |
| 20:34.16 | Iriel | only when they're actively engaged in that role would it be |
| 20:34.29 | kergoth | you're assuming the function was already defined using 'self' |
| 20:34.36 | kergoth | that isnt a standard, its just a convention |
| 20:34.42 | Iriel | I was just saying those two lines were interchangable |
| 20:34.49 | Iriel | Well, lua calls it 'self' if you use the colon format |
| 20:34.54 | kergoth | no, it doesnt. |
| 20:34.57 | Iriel | That's about as standard as it gets 8-) It's not REQUIRED though |
| 20:34.58 | kergoth | it passes the object as the first argument |
| 20:35.00 | kergoth | thats all |
| 20:35.06 | kergoth | its _your_ function definition that names it |
| 20:35.07 | Iriel | I'm afraid you're miustaken |
| 20:35.20 | Iriel | If you DEFINE the function with a COLON, then lua adds an implicit self |
| 20:35.30 | Iriel | called 'self' |
| 20:35.52 | Iriel | If you use a DOT then you can call it whatever you want |
| 20:35.53 | kergoth | ah, yeah, you're correct. sorry, i'm used to defining my functions with . |
| 20:36.26 | Iriel | Which is why even when I use a dot, i use 'self' because that way it's obvious what i'm trying to do |
| 20:36.47 | Iriel | (Especially with WoW's use of 'this' for something totally different, and as a global) |
| 20:37.01 | kergoth | ~lart blizzard |
| 20:37.13 | Tain | Thaknfully I haven't used this. in a script in a while now. |
| 20:38.17 | Iriel | Ok, back to work, whenever I remember what it was I was doing |
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| 20:39.07 | Iriel | Oh yes, figuring out hostnames, that was it... |
| 20:53.21 | Cide | Iriel |
| 20:53.26 | Cide | I vote for 3) Your machine is infected with table-eating code weevils. |
| 21:00.43 | Tain | Pop goes the weevil |
| 21:05.56 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 21:13.03 | Tain | Anyone know what the ResetCursor() function does? |
| 21:13.28 | Iriel | I think it puts your cursor back to normal from the 'mend' one, but that's a wild guess |
| 21:13.58 | Iriel | It's called 25 times from Blizzard's UI |
| 21:14.31 | Tain | Ok |
| 21:15.19 | Iriel | Sorry, 24 - one of them is commented out |
| 21:16.34 | Tain | Do you play a druid? Or does anyone currently here? |
| 21:16.58 | Iriel | I have a 20something druid |
| 21:17.50 | Osagasu | I have a 24 Druid |
| 21:18.16 | Tain | I can't find the druid shapeshift spell sound. |
| 21:18.38 | Tain | Mainly because I have never played one to a high enough level so I can't even go thorugh the sounds and listen. |
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| 21:24.12 | Tain | Now I just need a way to trigger the MouseOver detection when you move the frame under the mouse cursor. |
| 21:24.44 | Tain | It won't recognize it until you move the mouse at all. Or ... probably other UI functions I bet. |
| 21:27.34 | Osagasu | mmmh... a clean shaven Freedom Seeker is not necessarily a happy Freedom Seeker... |
| 21:36.54 | Osagasu | PALLY TIER 2 IS A SKIRT |
| 21:37.15 | futrtrubl | finally, bliz caters to me! |
| 21:37.26 | futrtrubl | always wanted a skirt ;'] |
| 21:39.06 | Amicester | ResetCursor() ... resets the cursor image. |
| 21:39.10 | Amicester | heh. |
| 21:39.38 | Amicester | You can set and change the cursor image so whenever I've used it, its just to reset it to standard pointer. |
| 21:39.59 | Amicester | I'm not sure how it functions in situations where say an item is being held. |
| 21:52.53 | pagefault | haha |
| 21:53.00 | pagefault | there is a tabard design with two hands on it |
| 21:53.11 | pagefault | when females wear it it looks like it's grabbing their chest |
| 21:59.05 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, it occurs to me, that that SeaHooks description has a big typo in it.. |
| 21:59.48 | kremonte | hey guys |
| 21:59.51 | Osagasu | ? |
| 21:59.58 | kremonte | =O |
| 22:00.09 | Osagasu | :? |
| 22:00.36 | AnduinLothar | that's better.. |
| 22:02.28 | Osagasu | what's seahooks? |
| 22:02.56 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4349 |
| 22:03.14 | AnduinLothar | Cair, have u seen slouken around or should i just post on the forums? |
| 22:03.31 | Cair | Post what? |
| 22:03.51 | Cair | Sorry, misread |
| 22:04.03 | AnduinLothar | just a bug, local never returns enGB, only enUS |
| 22:04.15 | Cair | he wasn't on last night, not sure if he'll be on tonight, posting is usually best |
| 22:04.21 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 22:05.26 | Cair | or rather, I should say that he wasn't on while I was on, but given that I passed out at 6pm eastern and didn't wake again until 5am, I've no idea if he was on last night or not |
| 22:05.38 | Cair | but, at least my migraine seems to finally be gone |
| 22:05.47 | kremonte | :( /comfort Cair |
| 22:06.07 | AnduinLothar | yay no migrane |
| 22:06.18 | Cair | only lasted 3 days this time, and 2 nights of sleeping 15+ hrs |
| 22:06.29 | kremonte | 3 day migraine ;/ |
| 22:06.33 | Cair | So all in all, not bad, for me |
| 22:06.34 | kremonte | :( |
| 22:06.35 | Stylpe | ~seen slouken |
| 22:06.38 | purl | slouken <n=slouken@ip68-5-42-243.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 3d 15h 12m 48s ago, saying: 'only briefly. I'm drowning in chat, so I think I'm going to get some sleep. :)'. |
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| 22:11.10 | Iriel | I dont know if enGB is a bug, do they actually localize for the english? |
| 22:12.15 | Amicester | the enGB version is just the english version with eu server keys isn't it? |
| 22:12.31 | Iriel | I think it's US english with eu server keys |
| 22:12.36 | Amicester | yeah. |
| 22:12.52 | Iriel | But I could be mistaken, I do seem to recall a comment from Slouken at Blizzcon about them NOT localizing england separately, but I could be misremembering. |
| 22:13.15 | Amicester | I wouldn't see why you would. In this context its not really used to determine actual locale, its used to determine client language. |
| 22:13.16 | Iriel | (And for what it's worth, localization happens after he's done with stuff, which is why he can't usually help us with localization issues) |
| 22:14.55 | Iriel | Well, there's the Armor Armour, Color Colour etc difference |
| 22:15.06 | Iriel | Tomato Tomato 8-) |
| 22:15.20 | kremonte | honour! |
| 22:15.40 | Cair | honour |
| 22:15.44 | Cair | neighbour |
| 22:18.20 | temwow | yeah... silly brittish |
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| 22:20.29 | Iriel | Hey now, watch what you say about the british |
| 22:20.55 | AnduinLothar | he's a pain |
| 22:21.00 | Cair | that's being kind |
| 22:21.19 | AnduinLothar | i blame his upbrining |
| 22:21.26 | Tem | what channel? |
| 22:21.38 | Amicester | dear lord |
| 22:21.39 | Cair | Well, I'm not sure what is to blame, but he clearly has absolutely *no* concept of reality |
| 22:21.43 | AnduinLothar | but it's not nice to talk about people behind their backs |
| 22:21.44 | Amicester | we talked about this exact same thing in #Feathermoon |
| 22:21.54 | Amicester | and it ended up with me doing like a 10 page presentation on the origins of the word |
| 22:21.55 | Amicester | aluminium |
| 22:21.55 | Iriel | To the earlier question about ClearCursor() when you're holding something -- I believe it does nothing. |
| 22:22.07 | Iriel | Yes, Aluminium |
| 22:22.07 | Tem | Iriel: that's right aren't you from there too? |
| 22:22.14 | AnduinLothar | can u chaneg the cursor while holding somehting? |
| 22:22.20 | Iriel | I had to bring back documentary evidence of that one because my roommate wouldn't believe me. |
| 22:22.31 | Amicester | Originally titled alumin and then aluminum and then aluminium in the course of like three years? |
| 22:22.34 | Iriel | Tem: Yep |
| 22:22.53 | Amicester | Not officially "standardised" until like 1920 by Americans as aluminium, then not until 1970 by the IUAPC |
| 22:22.54 | Tem | I rather enjoy torturing Rowne with words like color |
| 22:22.54 | Amicester | ... |
| 22:23.05 | Amicester | er americans as aluminum. |
| 22:23.09 | AnduinLothar | color ftw |
| 22:23.11 | Amicester | IUPAC says aluminium,. |
| 22:23.13 | Iriel | I dont think you can change it while holding something, no.. I didn't do the test myself.. I suggested it to someone as a way to clear the cursor and they said it did nothing. |
| 22:23.43 | Amicester | Yeah if you're holding a spell or item it may not let you clear it |
| 22:23.45 | AnduinLothar | what's IUAPC? |
| 22:23.48 | Amicester | but I know if you set the cursor yourself |
| 22:24.11 | Amicester | Its actually IUPAC heh. |
| 22:24.19 | Amicester | International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry |
| 22:24.24 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 22:24.30 | AnduinLothar | didn't know one existed |
| 22:24.31 | Amicester | but yeah I just thought it was funny. |
| 22:24.40 | Amicester | cause we talked about the same thing on the other network =P |
| 22:24.46 | AnduinLothar | and americans like being contrary anyway |
| 22:25.03 | AnduinLothar | and forcing our contraryness on other people |
| 22:25.16 | AnduinLothar | contrariness? |
| 22:25.25 | AnduinLothar | yay for new words! |
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| 22:25.40 | Amicester | sounds good to me. |
| 22:25.43 | Tem | I do enjoy being contrary |
| 22:25.55 | Tem | I must say being wrong and not caring is a wonderful feeling |
| 22:26.02 | Amicester | I like more of the internet structure for language. |
| 22:26.15 | Amicester | In that you can make up a word so long as someone else can read it and make out the idea of what that word is trying to portray. |
| 22:26.19 | AnduinLothar | if enough people use it it Must be a word |
| 22:26.27 | Amicester | Hey ain't is a word now. |
| 22:26.32 | Amicester | Its in the dictionary =P |
| 22:26.33 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 22:26.35 | Tem | well, "Irregardless" is not a word |
| 22:26.42 | futrtrubl | for load on demand addons, when I list the UI template xml files do I need to put in the path? |
| 22:26.48 | Tem | aye |
| 22:26.55 | AnduinLothar | well that's because it's meaning already has a word |
| 22:26.58 | Tem | ..\..\FrameXML\Fonts.xml |
| 22:27.17 | Amicester | UI Question. |
| 22:27.21 | Tem | hmm do you need to preface that with a "\" |
| 22:27.22 | AnduinLothar | YES! |
| 22:27.23 | Tem | ? |
| 22:27.28 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 22:27.32 | Amicester | We can alter the facing of a model object, but not the three dimensional rotation of an object. |
| 22:27.38 | AnduinLothar | maYbe? |
| 22:27.39 | Amicester | correct? |
| 22:27.51 | Tem | h'ok so |
| 22:27.51 | Amicester | I've loaded a m2 and I'm looking down vertically upon the object. |
| 22:27.56 | Tem | time for me to go |
| 22:27.57 | Tem | bye |
| 22:28.00 | Amicester | I have no way to rotate that. |
| 22:28.03 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Matt@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 22:28.07 | Amicester | As far as I can tell since we're not given a 3d rotation func |
| 22:28.22 | AnduinLothar | woot: Both Exorcism and Holy Wrath will be usable on Demon targets in addition to Undead targets. |
| 22:28.25 | Amicester | So I'd have to export the model, rotate it, and then use my custom model. |
| 22:28.40 | AnduinLothar | woot: The mana cost will be reduced for both the summoned Warhorse and Charger. |
| 22:28.49 | Amicester | If I use a custom model is it required to be in a particular directory structure or can I place it in the addon directory? |
| 22:29.20 | Amicester | the xml directory is always relative to its own location right? |
| 22:29.27 | Amicester | so if I put it in the same location as the xml I'd require no path? |
| 22:29.40 | AnduinLothar | ooo Righteous Fury actually sounds useful.. |
| 22:29.53 | AnduinLothar | unlike Seal of FUry |
| 22:29.59 | AnduinLothar | which is absolutely useless |
| 22:30.23 | AnduinLothar | and means u cant use command at the same time so ur agro is about the same |
| 22:30.38 | Amicester | yeah the buff instead of it being a seal is a great idea |
| 22:30.40 | Amicester | I like that idea. |
| 22:30.58 | AnduinLothar | it's not a blessing tho, which is good |
| 22:31.00 | Amicester | right |
| 22:31.03 | Amicester | cause that'd limit it |
| 22:31.06 | Amicester | so then you couldn't bless yourself |
| 22:31.08 | Amicester | its just a selfbuff |
| 22:31.09 | AnduinLothar | be cool if we had an additional blessing... |
| 22:31.22 | AnduinLothar | oppositte of salv |
| 22:31.29 | Amicester | to generate more threat? |
| 22:31.34 | AnduinLothar | that would be very useful |
| 22:31.42 | Amicester | Thats what righteous fury is, just self only right? |
| 22:31.45 | AnduinLothar | ya, but on a char of ur choice |
| 22:31.52 | Amicester | Yeah that'd be pretty powerful. |
| 22:32.02 | AnduinLothar | so like if u want a hunter to kite u buff him |
| 22:32.08 | AnduinLothar | or u buff the MT |
| 22:32.27 | AnduinLothar | that';d be uber and would make all the horde cry |
| 22:32.31 | kremonte | hate+ buff? |
| 22:32.38 | Amicester | basically. |
| 22:32.40 | kremonte | omg i need a pally to run instances with me, so i can tank =O |
| 22:32.43 | Amicester | Warriors already have a talent for it though. |
| 22:32.49 | Amicester | So they don't really need it. |
| 22:32.51 | kremonte | warriors ARE tanks |
| 22:33.01 | Amicester | And you generally don't want to increase threat on anyone else. |
| 22:33.06 | Amicester | Except say a paladin. |
| 22:33.08 | kremonte | warlocks! |
| 22:33.10 | Amicester | Who can cast it on himself. |
| 22:33.11 | AnduinLothar | pallies will be more effective as replacement tanks now |
| 22:33.15 | kremonte | <- tank /flex |
| 22:33.29 | Amicester | Yeah they said they're trying to bring the equivalence to a standard warrior for aggro management. |
| 22:33.44 | Stylpe | Define standard warrior |
| 22:33.50 | Amicester | Untalent spec'd warrior. |
| 22:33.56 | AnduinLothar | hell, i will be able to do anything... already heal as well as a priest and dps as well as a hunter... |
| 22:33.57 | Amicester | thats what I see as "standard" |
| 22:34.19 | Amicester | But so that would probably mean. |
| 22:34.24 | Amicester | A paladin fully spec'd to aggro management. |
| 22:34.32 | Amicester | Would be as good as a warriors base abilities |
| 22:34.40 | Amicester | Thats my speculation. |
| 22:34.42 | kremonte | well |
| 22:34.48 | kremonte | i still dont want a pally tanking :P |
| 22:34.50 | AnduinLothar | only thing i cant do well now is hold agro and remove targets from battle |
| 22:34.51 | Amicester | Well right. |
| 22:35.00 | Amicester | But a paladin is still a much better tank than a priest |
| 22:35.02 | Amicester | if the aggro falls off the tank |
| 22:35.03 | Amicester | heh. |
| 22:35.04 | kremonte | well maybe, if a pally can keep up with taunts, sunders, and revenge spam |
| 22:35.23 | Amicester | Yeah I think for a paladin to be a tank, they will truly have to be designed for aggro management. |
| 22:35.26 | kremonte | only 30 levels to go on my warrior >_< |
| 22:35.32 | Amicester | I don't think just every day paladins will see the improvement as much. |
| 22:35.48 | AnduinLothar | will make guild runs easier |
| 22:36.01 | kremonte | well, we'll see how much hate it gets =o |
| 22:36.06 | Amicester | We will indeed. |
| 22:36.10 | Amicester | I'm really waiting to see the paladin talent changes. |
| 22:36.22 | AnduinLothar | sometimes we're short priests, we did a 5mand scholo yesterday and i subbed, full healing... only 1 wipe |
| 22:36.25 | kremonte | then the shammies will bitch "omg we need it too!" |
| 22:36.35 | Tain | I was on 5 man with my Rogue and I couldn't use any special abilities or I'd pull aggro off the Warrior. |
| 22:36.38 | Tain | It made me sad. |
| 22:36.40 | Amicester | hehe. |
| 22:36.43 | Amicester | thats the sign of a poor warrior |
| 22:36.49 | kremonte | ;| |
| 22:36.51 | Amicester | I haven't healed alliance side in a long time. |
| 22:36.54 | AnduinLothar | sometimes we're short tanks, so i have to tank 2h to keep up the agro |
| 22:36.55 | kremonte | lol |
| 22:36.55 | Amicester | So I can't really say. |
| 22:37.12 | Tain | So I just ran after whatever random thing aggrod the healer since I knew I could get it off quick. |
| 22:37.14 | Amicester | Atrius is my priest Alliance side on Feathermoon and Jyotah is my troll priest on Feathermoon. |
| 22:37.18 | kremonte | there's this pally in my guild who has a retarded amount of str, it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to win a duel against him |
| 22:37.28 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:37.35 | AnduinLothar | i dont usually buff my str |
| 22:37.40 | kremonte | he has blacksmithing and pvp trinket so i can't really fear him, he hits me for 600 damage a hit, and he decursive spams |
| 22:37.43 | AnduinLothar | itn and sta usually |
| 22:37.56 | Amicester | Do paladins get 1 to 1 str to ap? |
| 22:37.58 | kremonte | he has a great healing set, but he just steamrolls me |
| 22:38.11 | AnduinLothar | ya. i have AQ_BuffBot spamming my blessigns and decursing now |
| 22:38.13 | kremonte | obsidian edged blade ;| |
| 22:38.36 | kremonte | plus he has like 20 year long stuns |
| 22:38.51 | AnduinLothar | lol, ya. it's just the cooldown on that's a pain |
| 22:39.00 | AnduinLothar | same with most pally spells |
| 22:39.02 | kremonte | i kinda feel bad for the horde warlocks |
| 22:39.10 | AnduinLothar | dependant on cooldown and chance to proc |
| 22:39.13 | kremonte | yeah |
| 22:39.25 | kremonte | i can beat a warrior most of the time, he steamrolls me with cleanse really |
| 22:39.36 | kremonte | a warrior without deep wounds and MS >.> |
| 22:39.59 | AnduinLothar | i actually haven't dueled a rogue since i installed AQ_BuffBot i bet i can beat um now |
| 22:40.13 | kremonte | rogues are so fun! |
| 22:40.18 | pagefault | rogues are easy to kill |
| 22:40.39 | pagefault | I just hate druids |
| 22:40.41 | AnduinLothar | with all my crit gear on i still only have 17% tho |
| 22:40.42 | pagefault | that spam moonfire |
| 22:40.43 | kremonte | once you get past their stuns, such low HP i can kill them in 3-4 shots |
| 22:40.53 | kremonte | as a pally, AnduinLothar? |
| 22:40.55 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 22:41.07 | kremonte | lol, same guild pally had 13.37% crit chance for a while >.> |
| 22:41.13 | kremonte | 16.37% now tho |
| 22:41.19 | AnduinLothar | ya, i have like +5% on items |
| 22:41.31 | AnduinLothar | and 3 items with 1% faster hit |
| 22:41.45 | AnduinLothar | and 1% more chance to hit |
| 22:41.57 | Amicester | I've never had much of a problem with paladins as a priest. |
| 22:41.59 | kremonte | hmm, 30 is a nice level to start levelling in hell? |
| 22:42.00 | Amicester | heh. |
| 22:42.03 | kremonte | er, stv* |
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| 22:42.18 | Amicester | I usually avoid that place like the plague. |
| 22:42.28 | Osagasu | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/parental-control-faq-small.html <---HAHAHAHAHA |
| 22:42.29 | kremonte | i'm running out of places to level q_q |
| 22:42.31 | AnduinLothar | i actually enjoyed stv.. but thn that was back in decenber for about 3 weeks when i was that lvl.. |
| 22:43.21 | kremonte | rofl Osagasu |
| 22:43.33 | Amicester | Parental controls? |
| 22:43.36 | Amicester | Thats a great idea! |
| 22:43.42 | kremonte | lol, on an MMO |
| 22:43.55 | Amicester | Yeah its for people that aren't smart enough to set a schedule on the computer itself heh. |
| 22:44.18 | Amicester | Maybe I'll have less people leaving my groups saying that they gotta go cause they have school tomorrow. |
| 22:44.35 | kremonte | lol |
| 22:44.37 | AnduinLothar | ya, they'll just log off without notice |
| 22:44.39 | kremonte | i do that, at like 2am :P |
| 22:44.59 | Osagasu | sirkronus: I wonder what will happen the first few weeks |
| 22:44.59 | Osagasu | sirkronus: when these 12 year olds are in instances when the time limit cuts out |
| 22:44.59 | Osagasu | thevampiremalvado: klol |
| 22:44.59 | Osagasu | thevampiremalvado: lo |
| 22:44.59 | Osagasu | sirkronus: hmm |
| 22:44.59 | Osagasu | thevampiremalvado: a molten core raid cut in half |
| 22:45.00 | Amicester | well its never a person that is planning on staying that has the problem. |
| 22:45.01 | Osagasu | thevampiremalvado: ahahaha |
| 22:45.09 | AnduinLothar | sleep is for people who care about performance in bed... |
| 22:45.09 | Osagasu | ^_^ |
| 22:45.09 | Amicester | Its the person that stays up past their bedtime |
| 22:45.12 | Amicester | sneaking some time on the computer. |
| 22:45.18 | Amicester | and their parents come down and bust them |
| 22:45.22 | Amicester | and then they have to leave spontaneously. |
| 22:45.26 | Amicester | And I'm like /groan |
| 22:46.27 | AnduinLothar | or they dont have a curfew and their parents just say go to bed... |
| 22:46.37 | AnduinLothar | or they just looked at the clock |
| 22:46.54 | AnduinLothar | and have restrait but no sense of commitment |
| 22:47.06 | AnduinLothar | which is like opposite of me |
| 22:47.38 | Amicester | generally I don't have that problem though. |
| 22:48.03 | Amicester | Being on a rp server its very easy to discern the competent from the incompetent. |
| 22:49.05 | Amicester | actually in the process of a form of experiment. |
| 22:49.14 | AnduinLothar | i'm on the oldest pvp server. it's an interesting mix. most have been playing since the game started and are addicts who think too much of themselves.. |
| 22:49.17 | Amicester | I have two characters one on a new server one on an existing server. |
| 22:49.27 | Amicester | starting from scratch. |
| 22:49.34 | Amicester | No outside support just using the resources of the world and economy. |
| 22:49.48 | Amicester | And its amazing comparing the amount of time it takes on the new server compared to the existing. |
| 22:49.53 | AnduinLothar | that's how i play most of the time |
| 22:49.55 | Amicester | Just to establish anything. |
| 22:49.59 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 22:50.07 | Amicester | Yeah its just difficult this late in the stage. |
| 22:50.15 | Amicester | Since everything is known and everything is done there will never be a new server. |
| 22:50.18 | Amicester | Just a low population server. |
| 22:50.27 | Tain | It's a race on a new server though, the first one to make each next step up of bags, the first ones to get certain enchants |
| 22:50.41 | AnduinLothar | i purposely haven't started a new char because they're no one to play with that is ur lvl and doesn't have an alt.. |
| 22:50.44 | Amicester | If you're racing. Just play a hunter. |
| 22:50.48 | Amicester | heh. |
| 22:50.59 | Amicester | Of the usual 20 active level 60s 18 of them will be hunters. |
| 22:51.03 | Amicester | at any given time. |
| 22:51.08 | Tain | Well, I should say as far as people trying specifically to make money. :) |
| 22:51.09 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:51.17 | Tain | I never raced anything. |
| 22:51.17 | Amicester | making money is relatively easy. |
| 22:51.19 | AnduinLothar | my current guild has an excess of war's |
| 22:51.21 | Amicester | Heh. |
| 22:51.35 | Amicester | Atrius was my first character to 60, and he didn't hit 60 until 42 days played time. |
| 22:51.39 | Amicester | Curse of the rp junky. |
| 22:51.59 | AnduinLothar | and it's actually interesting, cause it's lacking in priests (typical) and paladins |
| 22:52.02 | Amicester | but I didn't switch from Stonemaul to Feathermoon until like February. |
| 22:52.11 | Amicester | Priests always seem to be lacking. |
| 22:52.11 | kremonte | wewt, learned berserker stance |
| 22:52.17 | Amicester | My problem is I've played 3 ... |
| 22:52.22 | Amicester | and I don't want to play another one even though its my favorite class. |
| 22:52.34 | Amicester | so Amicester is a warrior. |
| 22:53.02 | AnduinLothar | i love being in demand... |
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| 22:53.22 | Amicester | eh. I've never had much of a problem with being in demand. |
| 22:53.33 | AnduinLothar | i like playing the char with the lowest pop |
| 22:53.36 | Amicester | I am usually /dnd like 75% of my play time =P |
| 22:53.41 | AnduinLothar | kinda goes with my whole underdog complex |
| 22:53.47 | Amicester | because people that need me, know how to contact me. |
| 22:54.29 | pagefault | I really hope the pally sheild gets nerfed in the next patch |
| 22:54.38 | AnduinLothar | nerfed to what? |
| 22:54.48 | Amicester | what paladin shield? |
| 22:54.48 | pagefault | shorter time or longer cooldown |
| 22:54.53 | AnduinLothar | why? |
| 22:54.54 | Amicester | They have like 3 of them. |
| 22:54.58 | AnduinLothar | 2 |
| 22:54.59 | Iriel | Most of my play time is solo or in a small group of people I know |
| 22:55.02 | Amicester | Blessing of Protection is the physical only. |
| 22:55.03 | pagefault | because they are getting a dps buff |
| 22:55.04 | pagefault | something has to go |
| 22:55.21 | Tain | Ok 2 days on this addon, gotta take a break. |
| 22:55.27 | Iriel | But I only have one 60, then a 40, and a few 30's, and a bunch of 20's and some 10's |
| 22:55.30 | AnduinLothar | no, that's the whole point, palies have never been balenced tallent or spell wise |
| 22:55.58 | pagefault | they will not be balanced at all with more dps and that cheap ass invulinerability spell |
| 22:56.15 | AnduinLothar | well, cheep in what aspect, u mean for pvp? |
| 22:56.23 | pagefault | yes |
| 22:56.36 | pagefault | it should be dispellable |
| 22:56.56 | pagefault | they can dispell everything I can throw at them |
| 22:56.56 | AnduinLothar | if it were dispellable it would need a 2 min cooldown |
| 22:56.57 | pagefault | seems only fair |
| 22:57.01 | Tain | I know I feel like my Paladin was completely overpowered against pve. Nothing at all was a challenge. |
| 22:57.33 | kremonte | pally is like jesus in PVE |
| 22:57.46 | pagefault | pally is easy mode in pve |
| 22:57.51 | AnduinLothar | ya, but atm they suck pvp |
| 22:57.59 | kremonte | pally is ok in pvp |
| 22:58.06 | kremonte | not omgwtf horrible |
| 22:58.07 | AnduinLothar | only good with endgame items |
| 22:58.10 | pagefault | free mount, can wear plate, etc |
| 22:58.12 | BadMojo | Pfft. |
| 22:58.20 | Tain | Pally is ok, but they're great at escaping pvp |
| 22:58.40 | BadMojo | Every class sucks. Every class is overpowered. And no matter what you think, you're wrong. :) |
| 22:58.46 | Codayus | Tain: I gave up lvling my paladin because pve was so slow and boring. :-/ |
| 22:58.47 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 22:58.58 | Tain | Me too, Codayus. |
| 22:59.01 | Codayus | Of course, I was comparing him to a rogue, so maybe that wasn't too fair... |
| 22:59.13 | AnduinLothar | get the lvl 20 pally quest hammer at lvl 20 and ur god for 10 lvls |
| 22:59.18 | Tain | It wasn't slow for me, but there was just no challenge to it. |
| 22:59.25 | Tain | Yeah really, that 20 hammer is crazy for when you get it. |
| 22:59.33 | Codayus | But for grinding xp, compared to a rogue, I'd say paladins really are omgwtf horrible around about lvl 30, when the hammer starts to suck. |
| 22:59.41 | AnduinLothar | well the thing is w/o a guild u dont usually get it till 25 |
| 22:59.55 | kremonte | i don't get why so many people whine about "free mounts" |
| 22:59.56 | Codayus | I got mine at 20, stopped playing the character at 30. :-/ |
| 22:59.56 | AnduinLothar | or lvl 60 fnds |
| 22:59.58 | Tain | I got it at 20, with a 20 Druid helping me. |
| 23:00.12 | kremonte | had i known what hell my "free" epic mount was, i would have gotten gnome epic |
| 23:00.30 | AnduinLothar | lol, ya it's expensive |
| 23:00.48 | Iriel | well, putting aside 'epic' mounts for a bit, the normal mounts can be expensive, it depends how much of an auction whore you are |
| 23:00.49 | AnduinLothar | i enjoyed doing that quest chain tho, minus the 'give me $' ones |
| 23:00.51 | kremonte | it was 700g, and about 60g in repairs the whole time |
| 23:00.54 | Iriel | and I suppose what tradeskills you have |
| 23:00.59 | Tain | It is, or it can be. But if you're in a guild of people who want to help then you don't have to actually pay that much. |
| 23:01.00 | kremonte | i had 150g+ at level 40 =/ |
| 23:01.23 | Tain | heh |
| 23:01.33 | Iriel | I'm always broke until about 45 |
| 23:01.38 | AnduinLothar | ya. if u went enchanting early on ur dirt poor by lvl 40 |
| 23:01.44 | kergoth | i'm 59 and i'm broke |
| 23:01.45 | Iriel | (Well, i've done it twice, and i've been broke both times) |
| 23:01.49 | Tain | When I was working the Auction House every day I was making over 100g a day |
| 23:01.50 | kremonte | i just farmed a ltitle, instead of getting my epic i got 4 16 slotters |
| 23:01.53 | Iriel | And yes, Enchanting Tailoring - Life of misery and poverty |
| 23:01.54 | pagefault | well it's free if you have a good guild |
| 23:01.57 | pagefault | they can just give you everything |
| 23:01.57 | kremonte | lol kergoth, i'm 60 and i have under a gold :P |
| 23:02.05 | AnduinLothar | enchanting endgame is uber |
| 23:02.19 | Iriel | if you have a large guild i'm sure it is |
| 23:02.22 | Amicester | for the record I've played two priest to endgame guildless and being guilded or not doesn't effect or your gameplay at all really. |
| 23:02.24 | Iriel | It's a bit more a challenge if you dont |
| 23:02.39 | Tain | It can, Amicester. It depends onthe server. |
| 23:02.45 | AnduinLothar | well the thing is it means u always have something u could be collecting |
| 23:03.00 | Amicester | people are people and guild ties are just an illusion created by people that can't generate a social structure outside of a concrete pool of provided people. |
| 23:03.04 | AnduinLothar | and then u can sell the endgame enchants with like 25g overhead |
| 23:03.13 | Tain | Ah, no Amicester. |
| 23:03.20 | Tain | At least not in the case of every guild I've been in. |
| 23:03.20 | Iriel | It's the magic item supply I'm referring to |
| 23:03.33 | Amicester | Whether you're guilded or not should not determine if you have friends or groupmates. |
| 23:03.37 | Amicester | You should build those ties regardless. |
| 23:03.38 | AnduinLothar | pickup scholo groups are great from that |
| 23:03.53 | AnduinLothar | de 75% of the items |
| 23:03.54 | Amicester | At least in my personal experience I've never had a problem being unguilded and going from 1 to 60 with good groups and endgame content. |
| 23:04.00 | Tain | Yeah but I ENJOY playing with my friends. |
| 23:04.07 | Amicester | But you can play with your friends regardless. |
| 23:04.08 | Iriel | Certainly LEVELLING is no problem without a large guild |
| 23:04.13 | Amicester | the whole guild mechanic is just an illusion. |
| 23:04.18 | Iriel | I was just referring to disenchanting |
| 23:04.34 | Tain | Ok, I completely disagree with you. But since you feel so strongly I'm not about to argue. |
| 23:04.35 | AnduinLothar | right, de all the blues no ne wants |
| 23:04.37 | Iriel | Scholo pickup may be worth a try, if i can overcome my rabid terror of pickup groups. |
| 23:04.46 | pagefault | guilds work for lots of people |
| 23:04.59 | AnduinLothar | pickups on almost any instance demand a disenchanter |
| 23:05.01 | Iriel | I do feel there's a certain playstyle which requires a strong guild... |
| 23:05.12 | Amicester | Well my issue is that people feel you require a guild to be successful, though thats actually a complete fallacy. |
| 23:05.14 | Iriel | However i'm not one of those people so that's pure conjecture |
| 23:05.29 | Iriel | I think you'll find it depends on their definition of 'successful' |
| 23:05.30 | Tain | That's a completely different statement then, "All guilds are unecessariy" |
| 23:05.32 | pagefault | you need a guild if you ever want to raid anything |
| 23:05.33 | Amicester | Anything you can do in the game can be done without a guild. |
| 23:05.37 | Amicester | Not true. |
| 23:05.40 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 23:05.41 | Amicester | I raid weekly and I'm unguilded. |
| 23:05.47 | AnduinLothar | i pickuped until summer |
| 23:05.48 | Iriel | Some people need a strong social structure in which they can rank themselves, they will find guilds a requirement. |
| 23:05.55 | kremonte | rofl, i died on the boat, and when i zoned to STV i had full life |
| 23:05.58 | Tain | Others like the social structure. |
| 23:06.07 | AnduinLothar | u just have to have a large enough server pop |
| 23:06.11 | Amicester | others create the social structure. |
| 23:06.14 | Tain | There's a difference between people feeling like you NEED a guild and people who WANT a guild. |
| 23:06.19 | Iriel | I personally use a guild as a conveniently large and self managing friends list |
| 23:06.27 | Amicester | Iriel: Which is essentially all it is. |
| 23:06.35 | Amicester | As a mechanic, guilds don't need to exist. |
| 23:06.39 | Amicester | They exist for convenience. |
| 23:06.44 | Tain | Neither do governments. |
| 23:06.50 | AnduinLothar | ya, well that and it's pretty much the only good way to do 20-40 man raids |
| 23:06.53 | Tain | But we form them anyway. |
| 23:07.03 | Amicester | I'm not saying there's anything wrong with guilds. |
| 23:07.14 | Amicester | I'm saying that you saying /I/ can't do something because I'm not guilded makes me laugh at you. |
| 23:07.15 | AnduinLothar | 5-15 mand raids are usually easy to pickup |
| 23:07.15 | pagefault | you seem to be coming across that way |
| 23:07.16 | Tain | You just spent the last 10 minutes saying jus tthat. |
| 23:07.26 | Amicester | Because I can do everything you can do, even though you're guilded. |
| 23:07.29 | Tain | No one said anything of the sort. |
| 23:07.30 | Amicester | and I'm not. |
| 23:07.33 | Iriel | I think we're all pretty much agreed -- They're not ESSENTIAL, but they are CONVENIENT. Some people feel they're very important to them, some people dont care at all. |
| 23:07.35 | pagefault | you can raid MC without a guild? |
| 23:07.41 | Tain | Yes pagefault. |
| 23:07.45 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 23:07.57 | pagefault | not on my server thats for sure |
| 23:08.08 | AnduinLothar | not easily, and u need peopel with endgame items already to be successful |
| 23:08.11 | Tain | Mainly because organized guilds have done it for a long time and provided detailed strategy guides. |
| 23:08.15 | Amicester | I get lots of people stuffing guilds down my throat I don't mean to sound offensive. |
| 23:08.26 | Amicester | I get very upset when people try to say I need something only because they do. |
| 23:08.33 | Tain | Ditto. |
| 23:08.38 | pagefault | but you are basically saying you don't need a guild, same thing |
| 23:08.42 | Amicester | You don't need a guild. |
| 23:08.44 | AnduinLothar | basicly on my server 75% of the people have already done MC at least once |
| 23:08.49 | Amicester | And anyone that thinks you do is just making up lies. |
| 23:08.56 | Amicester | Obviously it'll help you build social connections. |
| 23:08.58 | Amicester | You'll meet new people. |
| 23:08.59 | Tain | Ok, we can get off that rant now. |
| 23:09.00 | Amicester | You'll gain assistance. |
| 23:09.09 | Amicester | But there is no necessary need for it to exist. |
| 23:09.36 | AnduinLothar | i like endgame instances, but i dont like guild politics |
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| 23:09.56 | AnduinLothar | and u need a good leadership to organize 40man raids well |
| 23:10.08 | Amicester | I enjoy endgame instances on occasion, guild politics are one of those things that you can't really avoid. |
| 23:10.15 | pagefault | there is a difference between a bad guild and a good one |
| 23:10.21 | pagefault | if you have a good one it would be silly not to stay in it |
| 23:10.34 | Tain | Depends on the defition of good, page. |
| 23:10.44 | pagefault | one that has no politics and everyone helps eachother |
| 23:10.47 | Amicester | it really all depends on what you're searching for. There are guilds of all types. |
| 23:11.08 | Tain | Ah, but some people consider a guild's worth to be how they progress through end-game encounters. |
| 23:11.18 | Amicester | Guilds of friends, guilds of family members, guilds of tradeskill people, guilds of coworkers, guilds designed for endgame raids, guilds designed for levelling. |
| 23:11.23 | pagefault | depends on the server |
| 23:11.25 | Amicester | It all depends on what you seek in a guild. |
| 23:11.26 | Tain | Guilds of people who hate guilds |
| 23:11.29 | Amicester | Heh. |
| 23:11.35 | Iriel | guilds of item hungry sociopaths |
| 23:11.42 | Tain | Those are fun. |
| 23:11.42 | Amicester | We had so many Order of the ... at one time that I swear I wanted to start a "Order against guilds that are orders" |
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| 23:11.54 | pagefault | thats fine if you hate guilds |
| 23:11.57 | pagefault | but there are people who enjoy it |
| 23:12.03 | Amicester | I don't hate guilds by any means. |
| 23:12.32 | Amicester | I just don't think they're the integral piece to mmo's great puzzle that make the virtual world turn. |
| 23:13.06 | AnduinLothar | ya, greeedy guilds dont last very long. u always have greedy people but if the policies and guild is based around greed it usually falls apart |
| 23:13.09 | Amicester | Its just a group of people that have a common interest, which ia a good thing. Its like this channel. |
| 23:13.13 | Iriel | I'm actually rather sad about what City of Villains has done |
| 23:13.29 | Amicester | I haven't heard much on CoV. The latest discussion seems to all be about DDO. |
| 23:13.39 | Iriel | They've added a mechanic that strongly penalizes smaller intimate supergroups |
| 23:13.43 | Iriel | namely the whole base thing |
| 23:13.47 | Amicester | hm. |
| 23:13.58 | Amicester | penalizes you mean population or member requirements? |
| 23:14.17 | Iriel | Well, there are some things you can only do in a base, with a certain set of equipment |
| 23:14.20 | Amicester | Like "You must have X villians to own a base" ? |
| 23:14.30 | Amicester | Ah. |
| 23:14.38 | Iriel | and you buy that equipment with this stuff called 'prestige' which is earned by people playing in supergroup mode |
| 23:14.42 | Iriel | ANY supergroup can have a base |
| 23:14.49 | Amicester | So its like guild writs. |
| 23:14.49 | Iriel | But all of the 'useful' items have a HUGE cost |
| 23:14.56 | Iriel | so it's essentially a barrier to entry |
| 23:15.15 | Amicester | Yeah you can't add group perks without requiring a cost. |
| 23:15.19 | Tain | Sounds like... a function of just about every online rpg since EverQuest. |
| 23:15.27 | Iriel | They've got the most enlightened guild creation policy (You want to start a supergroup, level up to 10 and ask) |
| 23:15.56 | Amicester | Well the idea is based around, you complete tasks "in the name of" your group and thereby award your group points? |
| 23:16.10 | Iriel | I just feel they could have done a more balanced tiering of equipment, so a group of say, 4 casual players, can do SOMETHING with these new items. |
| 23:16.17 | Amicester | It sounds just like Reputation and Guild Writs from EQ2. |
| 23:16.25 | Iriel | in a reasonable timeframe (weeks) |
| 23:16.42 | pagefault | wow |
| 23:16.44 | Amicester | Your reputation decayed and if you didn't have officers of the guild complete guild writs to award your guild reputation your guild could actually disolve. |
| 23:16.46 | pagefault | I am making tons of gold today |
| 23:16.51 | pagefault | wildvine is selling for 1g each |
| 23:16.55 | Iriel | TO give some context here, I get about 6 prestige for a kill, and say 100-200 for a mission completion. |
| 23:17.19 | Amicester | Yeah it sounds nearly identical to EQ2 at least back when I played which would of been launch a year ago. |
| 23:17.24 | Iriel | I think we need, about 600,000 prestige for an entry level set of stuff |
| 23:17.32 | Tain | They're trying to force larger groups to come together, which CoH has never had an abundance of. Lots of Super Groups, not many with a lot of memberss. |
| 23:18.01 | Amicester | Yeah the problem with wow is just simply too many guilds whining for guild based rewards when there isn't a cost mechanic involved. |
| 23:18.07 | Iriel | yeah, i suppose so, it just means for me that ki |
| 23:18.09 | Amicester | Since there are no rewards for guilds here, there are no penalties. |
| 23:18.23 | Amicester | If Blizzard added guild based rewards you can bet there would be very hefty costs associated with them. |
| 23:18.27 | Iriel | .. that i'll play it a bit, and then drop my subscription once the novelty wears off again. |
| 23:18.31 | Tain | The problem with WoW is the complete lack of penalties altogether. |
| 23:18.36 | Amicester | Yep. |
| 23:18.51 | Amicester | Blizzard doesn't penalize enough people, but I stand by the fact that WoW is a multiplayer third person action adventure with rpg elements. |
| 23:18.52 | Amicester | =P |
| 23:19.10 | Tain | Iriel, they're counting on the fact that people who form larger groups will actually play longer than those who solo, or stay small. |
| 23:19.10 | Amicester | Blizzard deems fun first, thought second. |
| 23:19.26 | Amicester | They are afraid to penalize people and then make something unfun. |
| 23:19.27 | Codayus | You say that like it was a bad thing... :-) |
| 23:19.36 | Amicester | Oh but it is very fun. |
| 23:19.41 | Amicester | Thats why we're all still playing after a year right? |
| 23:19.49 | Codayus | I agree though. The lack of XP penalty for example... |
| 23:19.50 | Tain | As much as players always clamour for it the worst thing (in my opinion) a game can do is make it too easy to alwyas solo |
| 23:20.12 | Codayus | And yeah, I've been playing since before launch, and don't feel any urge to stop. I've never felt that way about another MMO, and I've played a few. |
| 23:20.14 | Amicester | Well the solo mechanic exists because some people just downright don't like other people. |
| 23:20.20 | Iriel | The problem with making it hard to solo, is that you lose all of those people who are playing between other commitments |
| 23:20.26 | Tain | If you let people solo they will, if you force them into groups they will complain, but they'll group and create communities. |
| 23:20.39 | Amicester | But WoW has people grouping and creating communities |
| 23:20.40 | Tain | I don't think you shouldn't be able to solo at all. |
| 23:20.43 | Amicester | alongside the people that want to just play it solo. |
| 23:20.45 | Codayus | I think the solo/forced group balance is pretty good as it stands... |
| 23:20.50 | Amicester | So the fact that people do both. |
| 23:20.56 | Amicester | Proves its a win. |
| 23:20.56 | Iriel | *nod* @ Codayu |
| 23:20.58 | Iriel | +s |
| 23:21.02 | Codayus | I mean, you *aren't* going to get epics soloing, but you can hit 60 easily enough... |
| 23:21.03 | Iriel | I think WoW has a fairly good balance |
| 23:21.04 | kremonte | i don't want to need to group up to level up |
| 23:21.09 | Amicester | You can get epics soloing. |
| 23:21.16 | Tain | WoW has a decent setup because there's soloable content, "dungeon" content which normally needs groups, and then high-end instances that need 40 people. |
| 23:21.16 | Amicester | I've found a few world drops in my time. |
| 23:21.21 | Amicester | But you're not going to assemble an epic set soo. |
| 23:21.23 | Amicester | +l |
| 23:21.24 | kremonte | yea an extremely fandangled drop |
| 23:21.45 | Amicester | yeah thats when they're the most fun |
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| 23:21.50 | Iriel | I think the only problem with WoW at the moment is that MOST of the new content is the latter type |
| 23:21.52 | Amicester | when you're running across Un'goro and you kill a random thing chasing you |
| 23:21.54 | Amicester | and it drops an epic |
| 23:22.00 | Tain | As long as they're not bind on pickup, I look for it in the AH. :) |
| 23:22.01 | Amicester | and you go holy crypes! I'm glad I stopped to kill it. |
| 23:22.04 | Iriel | But I suspect that's more because it was underrepresented at first and it has to catch up |
| 23:22.12 | Codayus | Heh, friend of mine just got her 2nd hurricane to drop while farming felcloth. oO So yeah, okay, you'll get SOME epics to drop. :-) |
| 23:22.17 | kremonte | in FFXI, it was so horrible. put your LFG flag on, if youre a melee DPS wait hours for a party, just so you can go get 1/20 of your level and someone DC' |
| 23:22.36 | kremonte | so IMO, solo = good thing |
| 23:22.38 | Iriel | I left DAoC because it was impossible to solo |
| 23:22.59 | Amicester | I like to solo, but I spend enough time standing around talking to myself and npcs that I could be considered legally insane. |
| 23:22.59 | kremonte | almost started a BST (slowest levelling class) just so i could solo to level up |
| 23:23.01 | Tain | Some solo is a good thing. All solo I think causes a game to fail. |
| 23:23.02 | Iriel | (Maybe not IMPOSSIBLE, but 'Severely unfun') |
| 23:23.02 | Amicester | =P |
| 23:23.16 | kremonte | that's where WoW shines, because you can't solo everything |
| 23:23.26 | Amicester | Blizzard does a good job of scaling the reward per the strength required. |
| 23:24.01 | Tain | Yes, but there's still a few classes that can still solo elites without too much trouble for the quests that they're supposed to be grouping for. |
| 23:24.06 | Tain | And there's other classes that can't. |
| 23:24.09 | kremonte | depends |
| 23:24.11 | Tain | So it is a little off still. |
| 23:24.21 | Amicester | Most classes can solo without much trouble. |
| 23:24.24 | kremonte | for example, when i hit 60 i was doing a huge blasted lands chain |
| 23:24.27 | kremonte | which brought me to azshara |
| 23:24.32 | Iriel | but often those 'cant solo' classes become gods in a team of 2 |
| 23:24.41 | kremonte | there was an elite i had to solo there, which i could because i could fear spam |
| 23:24.43 | Tain | But not all classes can solo dungeons, while a few can. |
| 23:24.52 | Amicester | Yeah soloing dungeons is very difficult |
| 23:24.54 | kremonte | but close quarters, if you want me to solo elites i'm as good as dead |
| 23:24.57 | Amicester | open world elites are much different than dungeon elites. |
| 23:24.58 | pagefault | hmm |
| 23:25.02 | pagefault | game just froze |
| 23:25.02 | pagefault | nice |
| 23:25.18 | Amicester | Good example would be the elite dragonkin in Burning Steppes. |
| 23:25.25 | Amicester | Is there a class that can't grind on those for coin and scales? |
| 23:25.37 | kremonte | they're good coin? =O |
| 23:25.43 | Amicester | usually like 10-20s a piece. |
| 23:25.55 | kremonte | oh, i think i'd be better off soloing the demons in winterspring :b |
| 23:26.17 | Amicester | yeah I usually would kill them just cause I was bored. |
| 23:26.22 | Amicester | And have someone follow me and skin. |
| 23:26.34 | Amicester | or usually they were off doing something else |
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| 23:26.36 | Amicester | and would see my wake of corpses |
| 23:26.37 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 23:26.41 | Amicester | and would run over and start skinning them |
| 23:26.42 | kremonte | ~emulate shouryuu |
| 23:26.44 | purl | hehe. im shouryuu. hi. hehe. shouryuu |
| 23:26.44 | Amicester | heh. |
| 23:26.55 | shouryuu | why are you so mean? |
| 23:27.00 | kremonte | :( |
| 23:27.09 | shouryuu | :'( |
| 23:27.17 | Amicester | http://synapse.redphive.org/wow/fixedtier2.jpg |
| 23:27.32 | shouryuu | haha |
| 23:27.33 | kremonte | har har har. |
| 23:27.34 | shouryuu | trigun! |
| 23:27.39 | kremonte | mages whine too much >_< |
| 23:27.48 | Amicester | everyone whines too much. |
| 23:27.56 | kremonte | about the water thing. |
| 23:27.59 | Amicester | If I was a mage I'd whine too though, but thats cause I have a personal dislike of mages in general. |
| 23:28.26 | kremonte | they make up these fandangled situations where theyre the only mage brought to MC, and EVERYONE (even the rogues and warriors) want crystal water, and they make 8 stacks for every caster |
| 23:28.54 | Amicester | well water does take time to make, but so does running to the vendor to buy water. |
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| 23:29.13 | kremonte | is one mage making 8 stacks of water for the entire 40 man raid though? if so, i think your guild needs some recruiting to do |
| 23:29.14 | shouryuu | there is a good side to water |
| 23:29.26 | shouryuu | I'd kill to alaways have crystal water.... |
| 23:29.26 | Amicester | I don't bother with mages. |
| 23:29.28 | Amicester | I just avoid them entirely. |
| 23:29.31 | shouryuu | lol |
| 23:29.33 | kremonte | shouryuu- same |
| 23:29.36 | Amicester | I take shadow priests, warlocks, or balance druids instead. |
| 23:29.42 | kremonte | warlocks FTW! |
| 23:29.43 | shouryuu | hehe |
| 23:29.47 | kremonte | shadowpriests... maybe |
| 23:29.48 | Amicester | get my water ahead of time or just buy manna biscuits. |
| 23:29.51 | Amicester | Well I'm a priest. |
| 23:29.53 | Amicester | So I heal. |
| 23:29.57 | Amicester | Shadow priest just does whatever they want. |
| 23:29.59 | Amicester | heh. |
| 23:29.59 | kremonte | ?!!? priest, heal, what? |
| 23:30.04 | shouryuu | lol |
| 23:30.08 | shouryuu | I'm so broke ATM |
| 23:30.10 | shouryuu | I ahve 1g |
| 23:30.11 | kremonte | at least you aren't a troll priest |
| 23:30.15 | Amicester | I am a troll priest. |
| 23:30.17 | kremonte | shouryuu, i have 40s |
| 23:30.17 | Amicester | And an elf priest. |
| 23:30.18 | kremonte | OMG |
| 23:30.19 | kremonte | =O |
| 23:30.20 | shouryuu | lol |
| 23:30.26 | shouryuu | what spec are you? |
| 23:30.36 | kremonte | i wanted to do ZG, but i couldn't afford repairs, so i didn't go |
| 23:30.45 | AnduinLothar | so... i started writing an informative post on hooks that i thought would be simple... it's already a page long |
| 23:30.51 | Amicester | troll priest is 21/8/22 |
| 23:30.57 | shouryuu | fun build |
| 23:31.03 | shouryuu | nice to see someone not conventional |
| 23:31.04 | Amicester | and elf priest is like 33/18 or something like that |
| 23:31.05 | kremonte | why are both of you troll priests |
| 23:31.13 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: Wiki it for posterity |
| 23:31.15 | shouryuu | shadowguard > smite |
| 23:31.19 | Amicester | shadowguard is awesome heh. |
| 23:31.27 | Amicester | my troll is my pve/pvp build my elf is entirely pve. |
| 23:31.28 | kremonte | what is shadowguard? =o |
| 23:31.39 | Amicester | Its a shadow shield |
| 23:31.43 | Amicester | ala lightning shield like shamans |
| 23:31.46 | Amicester | it does shadow damage when struck. |
| 23:31.49 | kremonte | =O |
| 23:31.50 | shouryuu | my troll is PvE group spec |
| 23:31.51 | Amicester | really close to nil damage. |
| 23:31.54 | kremonte | oh. |
| 23:31.56 | Amicester | But if you're a shadow priest. |
| 23:31.58 | Amicester | And you have blackout |
| 23:32.02 | Amicester | that means there's a chance that they get stunned |
| 23:32.05 | Amicester | when they hit you |
| 23:32.08 | kremonte | rofl =O |
| 23:32.09 | Amicester | which is pretty sick. |
| 23:32.14 | shouryuu | well it does 100 dmg, 3 sticks, so it's 300 in 1.5 sec cast, so it's better than a smite |
| 23:32.14 | Amicester | it works for ranged spells, poly,s |
| 23:32.17 | Amicester | every spell that effects you |
| 23:32.20 | Amicester | they take a shadow damage hit |
| 23:32.24 | Amicester | which has a chance to stun |
| 23:32.37 | Amicester | but its only 3 charges |
| 23:32.37 | shouryuu | does spamming lvl 1 SWP blackout? |
| 23:32.40 | shouryuu | yeah |
| 23:32.44 | Amicester | and 1 charge will fire like every 5 seconds |
| 23:32.52 | Amicester | it really screws up a rogue that saps you |
| 23:32.53 | pagefault | hehe |
| 23:32.55 | Amicester | and stuns himself for 5 seconds |
| 23:32.58 | pagefault | I spam rank 1 corruption to get nightfall |
| 23:32.59 | shouryuu | lol |
| 23:33.01 | Amicester | or 3 seconds |
| 23:33.06 | shouryuu | that's just unfair |
| 23:33.10 | shouryuu | they should change that |
| 23:33.18 | Amicester | as soon as they make mana burn a shadow spell |
| 23:33.19 | Amicester | =P |
| 23:33.23 | shouryuu | lol |
| 23:33.28 | Amicester | I hate not getting the range increase. |
| 23:33.37 | kremonte | pagefault - thats only really useful against cleansebots |
| 23:33.44 | kremonte | final rank corruption is good damage so :P |
| 23:33.53 | pagefault | yeah but almost everyone is using decursive in pvp |
| 23:33.55 | pagefault | it's annoying |
| 23:33.57 | Amicester | but yeah my troll priest is a troll because |
| 23:33.59 | shouryuu | meh |
| 23:33.59 | Amicester | I'd played undead. |
| 23:34.03 | Amicester | and I couldn't make an orc priest. |
| 23:34.07 | kremonte | AB = i'm kazzak |
| 23:34.10 | pagefault | it's great they don't let us have autocast stuff for our pets |
| 23:34.11 | kremonte | PEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEW |
| 23:34.12 | shouryuu | decursive in mass PvP is jsut a dumb idea |
| 23:34.13 | pagefault | but decursive is still ok |
| 23:34.21 | Amicester | Atrius my elf priest was my first alliance character. |
| 23:34.36 | shouryuu | I don't use decursive and beleive me, i keep my targets dispelled |
| 23:34.41 | Amicester | yeah I don't use decursive. |
| 23:34.46 | shouryuu | so don't assume dispell = decursive |
| 23:34.47 | Amicester | or anything that casts or targets for me. |
| 23:34.49 | Amicester | It throws me off. |
| 23:34.52 | shouryuu | same |
| 23:34.55 | shouryuu | I don't like it |
| 23:34.57 | Amicester | Then again I use a standard actionbar |
| 23:35.01 | Amicester | and panel swap |
| 23:35.01 | Amicester | cause I can. |
| 23:35.02 | Amicester | =P |
| 23:35.09 | shouryuu | i just have decurse set to 5 and voila |
| 23:35.21 | shouryuu | easily hitable |
| 23:35.31 | Amicester | yeah ctrl+d = dispel, ctrl+g = dispel self, ctrl+t = abolish disease |
| 23:35.48 | shouryuu | I use self cast add on |
| 23:35.56 | Amicester | I self cast with alt cast. |
| 23:35.59 | Amicester | but alt+ctrl+d ... |
| 23:36.00 | Amicester | would be hard |
| 23:36.01 | Amicester | =P |
| 23:36.02 | shouryuu | so i either click nowhere or ust f1 |
| 23:36.04 | shouryuu | lol |
| 23:36.10 | kremonte | f1 FTW |
| 23:36.11 | Amicester | yeah I five man just keyboard usually. |
| 23:36.18 | Amicester | using fkeys. |
| 23:36.23 | kremonte | f1f1 = pet ^_^ |
| 23:36.28 | Amicester | there's really no need to ever click if you're a healer. |
| 23:36.28 | shouryuu | but you can set alt cast to just cast on yourself if ennemy is target or nil... |
| 23:36.40 | shouryuu | ohh didn't know that krem |
| 23:36.48 | Amicester | yeah it cycles from party member to pet |
| 23:36.51 | shouryuu | i thought it was alt f1 |
| 23:36.54 | kremonte | i use it all the time |
| 23:36.57 | shouryuu | or something |
| 23:36.59 | Amicester | all I use is fkeys. |
| 23:37.06 | Amicester | unless its a raid then I have to click. |
| 23:37.16 | Amicester | there isn't a sane way I cna think of to bind more than one group to keys |
| 23:37.17 | Amicester | heh. |
| 23:37.17 | shouryuu | same |
| 23:37.23 | kremonte | the most i use f1f1 is in raids with a certain warrior, who always wants my imp |
| 23:37.25 | Amicester | it just doesn't seem logical. |
| 23:37.30 | kremonte | i summon, target it fast, /point, then sacrifice it. |
| 23:37.40 | AnduinLothar | Iriel: will do |
| 23:37.48 | shouryuu | i have shield = 1, renew =2, FHeal =3 Gheal=4 dispell =5 |
| 23:37.55 | AnduinLothar | looking back it's actually quite informative so far |
| 23:37.58 | shouryuu | and my dmg spells are on two flexbar circles |
| 23:38.08 | AnduinLothar | and does a lot to promote SeaHooks :) |
| 23:38.08 | Amicester | I split my action panels into basically palettes. |
| 23:38.14 | shouryuu | he :P |
| 23:38.25 | kremonte | speaking of action panels |
| 23:38.31 | kremonte | flexbar or visor.. /ponder |
| 23:38.39 | Stylpe | Visor ftw! |
| 23:38.41 | Amicester | panel one is primary spells that need to be cast at a moments notice, panel 2 is spells that are premeditated, rarely ever cast them without thinking about it ahead of time. |
| 23:38.51 | Amicester | and it continues like that through panel 4 |
| 23:38.52 | kremonte | i don't understand visor q_q |
| 23:38.57 | Amicester | I don't know what visor is. |
| 23:39.04 | Stylpe | Really? Visor is super-easy! |
| 23:39.17 | kremonte | how poweful is it? /flex-able? :P |
| 23:39.19 | Tain | Now Stylpe, let's not get carried away. |
| 23:39.19 | Amicester | but then again. I don't need anything to move my buttons around. |
| 23:39.30 | Stylpe | It just appears intimidating at first because you can do so much with it |
| 23:39.51 | Tain | Visor breaks bars down to the single button level. So you can create your bars any way you like. |
| 23:39.53 | kremonte | well, on the ace forums i saw no SS's |
| 23:39.56 | Amicester | I actually fade all my buttons and half my ui out when I'm out of combat because I don't need to know they're there. |
| 23:40.04 | shouryuu | well I got flexbar before visor, so I |
| 23:40.05 | Tain | Or just have single buttons. |
| 23:40.07 | shouryuu | m sticing with it |
| 23:40.09 | kremonte | krem requires SS's |
| 23:40.18 | kremonte | yea shouryuu, i used to use flexbar but use nothing now. |
| 23:40.19 | Stylpe | SS's? |
| 23:40.22 | kremonte | screenshots |
| 23:40.22 | Tain | It's hard to provide SSs since it's like giving someone a box of Legos |
| 23:40.28 | kremonte | legos are awesome |
| 23:40.33 | Amicester | has anyone provided a good tiering action button system? |
| 23:40.36 | Tain | You build what you want. |
| 23:40.46 | shouryuu | Meh I don't like that fading OOC stuff, just useless in my mind |
| 23:40.50 | kremonte | well, you can with flexbar. i'm talking about moderately useless stuff |
| 23:40.55 | Amicester | allowing you to categorize spells, click on one button it branches out letting you select the spell to cast, and when it is cast it moves that spell to the primary button and then hides the tree? |
| 23:40.58 | kremonte | like, animation! |
| 23:40.58 | Tain | Someone finished a nice slide out button system. |
| 23:40.59 | kremonte | =DD |
| 23:41.14 | Tain | That's absolutely doable, Amicester. |
| 23:41.14 | kremonte | ooh Amicester - that's what i want |
| 23:41.18 | Amicester | I know its doable. |
| 23:41.20 | shouryuu | it's easy |
| 23:41.21 | Amicester | I did it for totems. |
| 23:41.21 | kremonte | i want a curse circle |
| 23:41.22 | shouryuu | very easy |
| 23:41.22 | Stylpe | Tain: Are you talking about my pop-bar recipe? |
| 23:41.34 | Tain | Yeh Stylpe |
| 23:41.35 | Amicester | Put all my totems onto just each button for each totem type and it remembers the last spell. |
| 23:41.39 | shouryuu | i did that for skills (herb/ alch/ 1st aid....) |
| 23:41.39 | Stylpe | :D |
| 23:41.42 | shouryuu | and pots |
| 23:41.43 | Amicester | I was just wondering if anyone did a nice all around solution. |
| 23:41.54 | kremonte | ok, i got confused just now |
| 23:42.00 | Tain | There's no "complete" UIs. Theres people creating all sorts of individual things. |
| 23:42.00 | Amicester | radials and such. |
| 23:42.08 | shouryuu | lol poor krem |
| 23:42.11 | Amicester | I'm not looking for a complete solution. |
| 23:42.14 | kremonte | what i want is a curse button with my last curse i cast, when i mouse over it it pops out a circle around it with all my curses |
| 23:42.19 | Amicester | I just don't write things really for the public. |
| 23:42.22 | kremonte | if i click on one, it casts it then remembers it |
| 23:42.25 | Amicester | Because the public is too pissy and cares too damn much. |
| 23:42.35 | Amicester | yeah, except not a circle. |
| 23:42.41 | kremonte | i want a circle, damnit! |
| 23:42.41 | Amicester | I just did a standard horizontal bar. |
| 23:42.45 | Tain | Visor's sort of a button/frame framework. |
| 23:42.45 | Amicester | you could do a circle. |
| 23:42.50 | shouryuu | that should be doable with scripts krem... |
| 23:42.54 | shouryuu | the circle is easy |
| 23:42.54 | Amicester | and in 1.9 you could even rotate your buttons all fancy. |
| 23:42.59 | kremonte | well then i want it! |
| 23:43.00 | Amicester | well |
| 23:43.03 | Amicester | you could rotate the visual portion. |
| 23:43.03 | kremonte | can i do cool fades too? |
| 23:43.07 | Amicester | sure. |
| 23:43.14 | kremonte | like it goes from transparent to opaque in 1sec, with a gradient? |
| 23:43.18 | Amicester | UIFrameFade() in uiparent I think. |
| 23:43.20 | kremonte | that would be cool. |
| 23:43.27 | Tain | It's just just buttons, it's controlling all frames like uh.. DFM or whatever it is started doing recently. |
| 23:43.32 | shouryuu | now I'm confused |
| 23:43.36 | kremonte | :( |
| 23:43.37 | Amicester | just UIFrameFadeOut(frame,1.0,1.0,0.0); |
| 23:43.40 | shouryuu | krem you talking about flexbar right? |
| 23:43.46 | shouryuu | ok i guess not |
| 23:43.46 | Amicester | will fade from 1.0 alpha to 0.0 alpha over 1 second |
| 23:43.52 | kremonte | flexbar or visor. i'm still not sure which to use |
| 23:43.58 | kremonte | but i'm used to flexbar, pretty much |
| 23:44.04 | shouryuu | so flexbar I'd say |
| 23:44.13 | Amicester | okay I'm headin home. |
| 23:44.14 | Amicester | cheers. |
| 23:44.14 | shouryuu | i can use it with my eyes closed so I'm not changing soon |
| 23:44.17 | shouryuu | see yar |
| 23:44.18 | kremonte | cya's |
| 23:44.39 | Tain | Visor takes more to set up, it's more something that you'll use to really control every little thing. |
| 23:44.52 | kremonte | i have so much trouble making a UI that's hearty, but doesn't envelope my screen so much |
| 23:44.57 | kremonte | (art-wise) |
| 23:45.00 | Tain | Heck I'm still using a combo of Visor and Cardbars. :) |
| 23:45.10 | Stylpe | Tain: Me too :D |
| 23:45.32 | kremonte | bah, time for more photoshop+wacom |
| 23:45.43 | cladhaire | I need to commit some time to Visor.. but I have like 9 addons to work on.. and a character to level |
| 23:45.43 | Cair | evening Clad :) |
| 23:45.44 | kremonte | shouryuu- you know flexbar's site offhand? |
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| 23:45.48 | cladhaire | Evening Cair =) |
| 23:46.17 | Cair | http://www.savagevines.com/flexbar/ |
| 23:46.18 | cladhaire | Should I go see harry potter tonight? I'm on call.. and i know i'll get pissed off if I get called in the middle of it |
| 23:46.31 | cladhaire | ~purl, flexbar |
| 23:46.33 | purl | i guess flexbar is ownage |
| 23:46.33 | Tain | Is the new one out? |
| 23:46.59 | cladhaire | no perl, flexbar is a button creation/manipulation addon. You can find its forums at http://www.savagevines.com/flexbar |
| 23:47.05 | kremonte | arigato, cair |
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| 23:47.19 | Cair | you're welcome kremonte |
| 23:47.26 | cladhaire | no purl, flexbar is a button creation/manipulation addon. You can find its forums at http://www.savagevines.com/flexbar |
| 23:47.35 | kremonte | clad, do purl, no |
| 23:47.38 | kremonte | not no, purl =o |
| 23:47.41 | cladhaire | (helps when you spell purl correctly).. or purl just hates me =( |
| 23:47.50 | Cair | aye, it's "purl, no, lasjdlfkjasdjf" |
| 23:47.52 | kremonte | purl, no, flexbar is a button creation/manipulation addon. You can find its forums at http://www.savagevines.com/flexbar |
| 23:47.53 | purl | kremonte: okay |
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| 23:48.17 | Stylpe | That link gives me a 404 |
| 23:48.33 | kremonte | purl, no, flexbar is a button creation/manipulation addon. You can find its forums at http://www.flexbarforums.com/ |
| 23:48.35 | purl | okay, kremonte |
| 23:50.27 | cladhaire | Bah i'll be back folks |
| 23:50.43 | Cair | later clad :) |
| 23:51.15 | kremonte | see, i don't know to read "not here" or "no there" |
| 23:56.37 | Industrial | :p |
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| 23:59.30 | Industrial | gunna poke a bit more at wow ui designer |
