| 00:00.52 | futrtrubl | from within a method? I believe so |
| 00:01.03 | Codayus | I can never remember when you use . and when you use :... |
| 00:01.21 | Iriel | There's no 'inheritance' for OO functions per se |
| 00:01.28 | Iriel | You get a 'self' reference, whihc you can then use |
| 00:01.32 | futrtrubl | well, you could also use self:method() from within a method |
| 00:01.45 | Esamynn | yes, say I define AddOn:DoSomething and AddOn has a field blah, when I want to refer to blah I need to go self.blah |
| 00:01.57 | Iriel | Yes, but that's an explicit invocation, I didn't want anyone to get the impression that there was java-like object namespacing |
| 00:01.58 | Esamynn | ok, that is what I thought |
| 00:02.00 | Iriel | Esamynn : Yes |
| 00:02.35 | Codayus | It'd be nice if there was though... |
| 00:03.11 | futrtrubl | could he still be able to do self:blah() for functions? |
| 00:04.07 | Deph | ... so does this have something to do with why I have have to call language changes using ChatMenu.chatFrame.editBox.language = ? |
| 00:04.11 | Esamynn | ok, other question, when you use setfenv on a function, you change that functions environment permanently right? |
| 00:05.23 | Deph | no, wait, that's a variable isn't it |
| 00:06.17 | Iriel | Deph: No, that's just wacky structuring 8-) |
| 00:06.23 | Deph | lol |
| 00:06.26 | Iriel | Esamynn : Yes, unless you change it back |
| 00:06.27 | Deph | IS that the only way to set it? |
| 00:06.30 | Esamynn | Ok then, I think what I will do for one of my AddOns is use a metatable on my AddOn's maintable to _index it to the global namespace and then change the environment of all of my functions to that table, then I get java type namespacing, with limitations of course |
| 00:06.35 | Iriel | Esamynn : Though I really dont use that much |
| 00:07.06 | Iriel | Esamynn : You're changing the whole function, so even if you have multiple instances of the object with that function they'd share the same global end |
| 00:08.04 | Esamynn | yes I know, and I'd need to have a reference to the global environment in my table so that my functions could still change primative values in the global namespace |
| 00:09.20 | Esamynn | the reason I want to do this is I mostly manipulate values within my AddOn's namespace and rarely in the global space so I figure this would make things more convinient |
| 00:11.18 | Esamynn | can't run my own tests atm, so I wanted to run it by people here before I did anymore planning |
| 00:11.24 | Iriel | I dont know, I think setfenv is scary for that |
| 00:11.34 | Iriel | It has too much potential for disaster, but that's possibly just my paranoid. |
| 00:11.54 | Iriel | An addon file-local table would seem, to me, a more appropriate solution to that problem |
| 00:12.26 | Iriel | Generally I actually use a global symbol, but then get a file-level local reference to it |
| 00:13.03 | Esamynn | that's something I hadn't considered |
| 00:13.24 | Esamynn | I agree though, that is probably safer ;) |
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| 00:14.10 | Iriel | It's also going to be easier to remember that the namespace prefix is needed for YOUR code |
| 00:14.16 | Iriel | And not all the normal global functions |
| 00:15.11 | Esamynn | ahh, but thats the thing, I was going to use a metatable to _index the global namespace so I didn't have to explicity reference global unless I wanted to change something in it |
| 00:15.53 | Esamynn | but I think I like the local idea, probably easier for someone else to follow as well as likely being faster |
| 00:15.54 | Iriel | Hm, even that sounds ugly 8-) |
| 00:16.09 | cladhaire | I think in this case being explicit is a better idea |
| 00:17.38 | Esamynn | oh, one other question, is the "this" keyword actually a global variable that Blizz has put in for familiarity or can you use this in place of self? |
| 00:17.41 | Legorol | did someone mention setfenv? |
| 00:17.53 | Esamynn | yes, but i'm not going to use it anymore :P |
| 00:17.55 | Legorol | I love that function.. |
| 00:18.13 | Legorol | It's possibly one of the most complicated if not *the* most complicated function in the standard Lua libs |
| 00:18.27 | Legorol | metatables are fun too ;-) |
| 00:18.41 | Esamynn | doesn't seem that complicated to me, but it can definately get tricky |
| 00:18.55 | Legorol | it does get complicated when you do setfenv only for one particular function's env |
| 00:19.01 | Legorol | then you call another function from that function |
| 00:19.12 | Legorol | which then in turn recursively calls the first one |
| 00:19.28 | Legorol | the two copies of the first function now on the stack have two different envs |
| 00:19.41 | Iriel | Dont you have to re-setfenv in the middle? |
| 00:19.42 | Legorol | if you are still with me, then grats |
| 00:19.56 | Legorol | Iriel, nope |
| 00:20.04 | Legorol | environments are tied to functions on the stack |
| 00:20.14 | Legorol | unless you change the global env |
| 00:20.39 | Legorol | environment is not tied to a closure, but to an executing instance of a closure |
| 00:21.07 | Legorol | so if you re-enter a function during a recursive call, the two instances executing can have different envs, |
| 00:21.30 | Legorol | and when you return from the recursive call, the environment is restored appropriately |
| 00:21.39 | Legorol | mind-boggling isn't it ;-) |
| 00:21.42 | Esamynn | oh, I would have thought that the function who's environment you set would always use the set enviroment |
| 00:21.53 | Legorol | not if you call it again |
| 00:22.31 | Legorol | on each call, the environment defaults to the global environment in effect at the time of calling |
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| 00:23.16 | Legorol | example: |
| 00:23.17 | Legorol | function a() |
| 00:23.17 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.17 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.17 | Legorol | end |
| 00:23.17 | Legorol | function b() |
| 00:23.19 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.21 | Legorol | end |
| 00:23.23 | Esamynn | oh, I thought you could set a function's env and then the function would use that env where ever it was called from |
| 00:23.30 | Legorol | nope |
| 00:23.38 | Osagasu | :3 |
| 00:23.39 | Legorol | in the example above, |
| 00:23.51 | Iriel | My experiment doesn't agree with you |
| 00:23.55 | Osagasu | :? |
| 00:23.55 | Legorol | hmm |
| 00:23.59 | Legorol | what's your experiment, Iriel? |
| 00:24.09 | Osagasu | <.<; |
| 00:24.18 | Legorol | i was going to say that in the example i pasted, |
| 00:24.19 | Iriel | a calls b, which calls a |
| 00:24.23 | Legorol | right |
| 00:24.30 | Iriel | before I call a, I do setfenv(a, X) |
| 00:24.31 | Legorol | a starts with global env, then gets sometable as env |
| 00:24.34 | Iriel | where X is a new environment |
| 00:24.37 | Legorol | ah |
| 00:24.48 | Legorol | you are setting env for function, not for stack level then |
| 00:24.53 | Legorol | that might be different in behaviour |
| 00:25.02 | Esamynn | thats exactly what I was thinking of |
| 00:25.05 | futrtrubl | *head explodes* |
| 00:25.06 | Legorol | i'd have to check that one |
| 00:25.06 | Iriel | Yes, that's what I thought we were talking about |
| 00:25.33 | Esamynn | ~inigo |
| 00:25.34 | purl | He's right on top of us. I wonder if he is using the same wind we are using. |
| 00:25.34 | Iriel | Since you said 'one particular function's env' |
| 00:25.39 | Osagasu | Maybe english will work better |
| 00:25.46 | Osagasu | WTF are you two talking about? |
| 00:25.50 | Esamynn | haha |
| 00:25.56 | Iriel | If you're doing stack-based setfenvs it'd be different, yes |
| 00:25.57 | Cair | told you, no esploding heads, makes a mess of the channel and trying to get the bloodstains out of the carpet is a major pain |
| 00:26.11 | Osagasu | my head a splode. |
| 00:26.16 | Legorol | Iriel, then it's my bad probably |
| 00:26.28 | Legorol | I beleived that setfenv(n, table) sets the env only for function at level n |
| 00:26.32 | Legorol | and not for other instances of it |
| 00:26.35 | Legorol | gotta go test :D |
| 00:26.51 | Esamynn | yes, but n doesn't have to be a stack level, it can be a function instead :P |
| 00:27.55 | Iriel | Also.. if you care... |
| 00:28.05 | Iriel | if you have a call b which calls a again |
| 00:28.09 | Iriel | but b sets a's environment |
| 00:28.19 | Iriel | then the change is in effect in BOTH instances of a |
| 00:28.25 | Iriel | after that point |
| 00:28.53 | Esamynn | ok, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm assuming that the function reference in a Frame's metatable is shared between all frames of the same time, so for example, all CheckBoxes reference the same function in their metatable |
| 00:29.14 | Legorol | almost correct |
| 00:29.33 | Legorol | all frames have an __index function in their metatable, which will pass calls to the same underlying C function |
| 00:29.41 | Iriel | All frames, PERIOD, have the same metatable |
| 00:29.51 | Iriel | there is exactly ONE __index |
| 00:29.53 | Iriel | for all frames |
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| 00:30.02 | Iriel | of all types |
| 00:30.26 | Legorol | however, Esamynn is correct in that checkbox1.Show == checkbox2.Show |
| 00:30.29 | Esamynn | what about CheckBoxes, don't they have their own __index reference because they have functions a standard Frame does not? |
| 00:30.33 | Iriel | No |
| 00:30.35 | futrtrubl | my gf just read http://www.bash.org/?244321 she cannot stop laughing |
| 00:30.37 | Iriel | That's under the covers |
| 00:30.41 | Legorol | Iriel, you are right about the setfenv, i was wrong |
| 00:30.51 | Iriel | Now, once you resolve a symbol, they're more type specific |
| 00:30.55 | Legorol | See, i told you they are complicated, i confused myself too :D |
| 00:30.56 | Iriel | as Legorol says |
| 00:31.11 | Tem | Esamynn: I may be out of context as I don't really know what you are talking about... but every XML frame shares the same metatable |
| 00:31.19 | Iriel | if x and y are frames of the same TYPE then x.Show == y.Show |
| 00:31.26 | Tem | it's the C function it links to that does the type checking |
| 00:31.31 | Iriel | However, if x and y are frames of different types... |
| 00:31.40 | Iriel | x.Show may, or may not, be the same as y.Show |
| 00:31.42 | Iriel | it varies |
| 00:31.46 | Osagasu | -.- |
| 00:32.23 | Legorol | Iriel, i beleive that they are almost all are the same, but we found one exception, didn't we? |
| 00:32.27 | Legorol | i think involving models or something |
| 00:32.37 | Legorol | where two methods of the same name didn't resolve to the same address on two different types |
| 00:32.40 | Tem | Iriel: well that makes me wonder which "version" of certain methods you get by pulling in the following way: getmetatable(UIParent).__index(nil,"Show") |
| 00:32.43 | Iriel | There's a few exceptions, thus the 'LayoutFrame' lie |
| 00:32.55 | Legorol | Tem, isn't that illegal? |
| 00:32.57 | Legorol | i mean |
| 00:32.58 | Iriel | Tem: I have that data for every frame in the game for the last X patches |
| 00:33.04 | Iriel | where X is about 10 |
| 00:33.04 | Legorol | if you pass nil as first arg to __index, what do you expect? |
| 00:33.06 | Iriel | or so |
| 00:33.20 | Iriel | Well, without the nil |
| 00:33.26 | Iriel | But with valid frame references |
| 00:33.31 | Esamynn | ok hold on, I'm going to refer to a frame's meta table as if they weren't seperate, for a sec, Checkbox.__index ~= Slider.__index correct? |
| 00:33.34 | Iriel | That's the base data for my Widget API page. |
| 00:33.38 | Iriel | Incorrect |
| 00:33.47 | Legorol | with a valid object instead of nil, you get the relevant method for the object |
| 00:33.48 | Tem | Esamynn: NO |
| 00:33.52 | Legorol | i have no idea what you get with a nil |
| 00:33.54 | Iriel | For ANY two frames X and Y getmetatable(X).__index == getmetatable(Y).__index; |
| 00:33.55 | Tem | yay capslock |
| 00:34.01 | Esamynn | ok, so the function checks the frame time when it executes then |
| 00:34.04 | Iriel | Yes |
| 00:34.14 | Tem | for ANY two frames X and Y getmetatable(X) == getmetatable(Y) |
| 00:34.21 | Esamynn | interesting, I expected them to be different |
| 00:34.29 | Iriel | Yes, in fact tem's statement is correct, and is stronger than mine |
| 00:34.30 | Tem | I did too |
| 00:34.43 | Tem | but it allows for some fun global changes |
| 00:34.56 | Legorol | Tem, what happens if you call __index with nil as first arg? |
| 00:34.57 | Iriel | Our nifty obscene optimization is fun |
| 00:35.03 | Iriel | Legorol : It crashed WoW |
| 00:35.05 | Legorol | I know you have been testing scenarios like that ;-) |
| 00:35.07 | Esamynn | well, it doesn't matter for what I'm was going to do, but it clears up one possible worry ;) |
| 00:35.08 | Iriel | Legorol : Until slouken fixed it |
| 00:35.11 | Legorol | i know it used to crash, what happens now? |
| 00:35.12 | Tem | Legorol: no it didn't |
| 00:35.19 | Iriel | Legorol : Or did he say 'dont do that' and not fix it? |
| 00:35.26 | Tem | Passing nil as the SECOND parameter |
| 00:35.26 | Esamynn | haha |
| 00:35.28 | Tem | crashed |
| 00:35.31 | Iriel | Oh.. sorry |
| 00:35.40 | Legorol | so what happens on nil as first arg? |
| 00:35.41 | Iriel | I misremembered 8-( |
| 00:35.46 | Tem | passing nil as the first seems to get past type checking |
| 00:35.53 | Legorol | but what do you get back? |
| 00:35.55 | Tem | I just don't know which "version" of the method it pulls |
| 00:35.59 | Legorol | which frame type's method? |
| 00:35.59 | Iriel | Or you're getting type checking from some 'other' object |
| 00:36.03 | Legorol | Tem, right |
| 00:36.08 | Iriel | I wonder if it's the mysterious root frame |
| 00:36.18 | futrtrubl | *the remaining splatters of my brain explode* |
| 00:36.20 | Legorol | you mean LayoutFrame? |
| 00:36.34 | Legorol | it's easy enough to check, try all calls of the form __index(nil, method) |
| 00:36.39 | Legorol | and see which method's return non-nil |
| 00:36.52 | Legorol | from that you can infer what frame type "nil" corresponds to |
| 00:36.52 | Tem | for example getmetatable(UIParent).__index(nil,"AddLine")(GameTooltip,"This is a perverse way to add a line") works |
| 00:37.02 | Legorol | it does? |
| 00:37.06 | Tem | yeha |
| 00:37.13 | Tem | (read that either way...) |
| 00:37.26 | Legorol | but... hmm |
| 00:37.29 | Tem | (yes it was a typo, but "Yeeehaw!" seems to fit too) |
| 00:37.33 | Cair | btw, just to give you guys a heads up, since I just got reminded of it - if someone says "Help, all these mods show up as banned, prz help me" ... it's because they are playing on "private" (ie illegal) servers ... |
| 00:37.35 | Legorol | that must mean that __index(nil, method) can return reference to any method |
| 00:37.47 | Cair | and now back to your regularly scheduled programming |
| 00:37.59 | Legorol | Cair, just a sec |
| 00:38.09 | Legorol | you mean they will show up banned when they connect the private server? |
| 00:38.12 | Tem | Cair: you need to stop making the bad puns |
| 00:38.12 | futrtrubl | no Cair, don't leave me with these metanuts! |
| 00:38.17 | Legorol | or they will show up banned on the real server if they played on a private one before? |
| 00:38.19 | Osagasu | Private servers BAAAD. >.> |
| 00:38.20 | Esamynn | rofl |
| 00:38.26 | Osagasu | <.< |
| 00:38.33 | Cair | *on* the private servers, they show up as banned |
| 00:38.37 | Legorol | right |
| 00:38.39 | Legorol | so we don't care |
| 00:38.44 | Tem | haha |
| 00:38.49 | Osagasu | because the privvies haven't updated their server side yet |
| 00:38.49 | Codayus | Wait, what? |
| 00:38.51 | Osagasu | silly privvies. |
| 00:39.04 | Codayus | Oooh. |
| 00:39.06 | Cair | other than to say "you fucktard, don't expect us to help you since you are breaking Blizz's rules" ... no, we don't care |
| 00:39.09 | Esamynn | ok, when calling a __index function, what are the two parameters, just want to make sure i've got it right |
| 00:39.24 | Osagasu | can I quote you on that, Cair? |
| 00:39.25 | Tem | table, key |
| 00:39.29 | Cair | ;) |
| 00:39.30 | cladhaire | thats awesome |
| 00:39.40 | Tem | I /will/ quote that |
| 00:39.41 | Legorol | Iriel, do you happen to remember which were the two widgets that had two methods with the same name, |
| 00:39.53 | Legorol | but where the two methods were different functions? |
| 00:40.03 | Tem | Abuuh!? I didn't know I was still here |
| 00:40.30 | Codayus | So the priv servers are like, 1.7? And a 1.8 client connecting to a 1.7 server shows the message "banned"? Or what? |
| 00:40.34 | Legorol | Tem, I wonder what happens if you pass that method's name to __index(nil, ..) |
| 00:40.40 | Legorol | Codayus, who cares.. |
| 00:40.43 | Legorol | it's a privy server :D |
| 00:40.52 | Tem | Legorol: which method? |
| 00:40.54 | Legorol | i don't want to waste neurons on digesting what happens on there |
| 00:41.02 | Legorol | Tem, I don't remember, but will try to look it up |
| 00:41.12 | Esamynn | ok, key is obvious to me, table is what exactly |
| 00:41.21 | kergoth | Esamynn: table is a table. |
| 00:41.23 | Tem | one that is different for different frame types? |
| 00:41.31 | kergoth | Esamynn: what dont you understand about that? |
| 00:41.48 | kergoth | rtfm. lua metamethods are well documented |
| 00:41.51 | Esamynn | what table should it be passed, the one that whose metatable __index is in? |
| 00:42.01 | Tem | aye |
| 00:42.01 | Legorol | Tem, yes |
| 00:42.02 | Cair | Codayus: private msg explaing |
| 00:42.18 | Cair | explaining* |
| 00:42.38 | Esamynn | right, I knew that, I just forgot it, read the literature late last night ;) |
| 00:43.00 | Legorol | I am trying to remember which method it was that happened to be different for two different widget types |
| 00:43.17 | Legorol | Iriel has the data, but is not idling here so it seems |
| 00:43.35 | Tem | probably SetValue |
| 00:43.38 | Tem | or SetText |
| 00:43.43 | Esamynn | anyways, thanks for the help, i'm going to go back to studying for classes and try to avoid working on my AddOns until after finals now ;) |
| 00:43.49 | Osagasu | mmmh |
| 00:43.51 | Iriel | i'll look in a bit |
| 00:44.07 | Osagasu | I wonder what classic rock will be called when modern rock is 40 years old... |
| 00:44.08 | Esamynn | later all |
| 00:44.18 | Tem | it'd be very interesting how much we could figure out by comparing the methods |
| 00:44.18 | Osagasu | and what Modern Rock will be called... |
| 00:44.23 | Tem | Esamynn: later |
| 00:44.43 | Osagasu | he's still using 1.0.7? |
| 00:44.53 | Osagasu | damn, 1.5 has come out |
| 00:45.07 | Iriel | I built the whole Widget API page by comparing methods |
| 00:45.54 | Tem | not to break the conversation, but it's quite funny how DKP systems favor the officers of the guild |
| 00:46.15 | Iriel | DKP systems are so flawed it's not even funny |
| 00:46.26 | Iriel | Beyond any that are only active for the duration of a raid |
| 00:46.27 | Tem | in our week and a half of MC we've looted 21 epics only 4 of them have gone to non-officers |
| 00:47.03 | Tem | it's because we're the ones who are always there |
| 00:47.04 | Iriel | (From a 'fairness' perspective, that is... They're quite successful at generating unreasonable bias to those with no life) |
| 00:47.15 | Tem | heh |
| 00:47.50 | Tem | I couldn't think of a better system to suggest before ours was implemented |
| 00:47.52 | Tem | so I gave up |
| 00:47.58 | Iriel | My list of 'common but not' methods is: Show, Hide, IsVisible, ClearAllPoints, SetPoint, GetHeight, GetWidth, GetName, SetHeight, SetWidth, SetAlpha |
| 00:48.12 | Iriel | but I haven't re-verified that lately, let me look at my XML file a sec |
| 00:51.09 | Codayus | Tem: Well, to some extent thats a feature not a bug. |
| 00:51.27 | Tem | hmm? |
| 00:51.30 | Codayus | They try and reward the people who'll be there in future raids with loot, to make the chance of sucess higher. |
| 00:51.40 | Tem | oh, right |
| 00:51.44 | Tem | I understand the system |
| 00:51.54 | Tem | I'm not complaining... I'm benefiting from it atm |
| 00:52.04 | Codayus | What sucks is DKP systems with inflation... |
| 00:52.17 | Tem | hows that work? |
| 00:52.23 | Tem | people hording points? |
| 00:52.24 | Iriel | Ok, i've verified that list is still valid |
| 00:52.37 | Iriel | All of those methods have 3 distinct implementations |
| 00:52.43 | Iriel | But they all do the same thing |
| 00:52.47 | Tem | Iriel: is a button's SetText method the same as a fontstring's? |
| 00:52.57 | Codayus | If the Dkp handed out is > than the DKP "used". So if you join a guild thats been raiding MC for a while, you start at 0, and everyone has 1k+... |
| 00:52.59 | Iriel | Tem: No |
| 00:53.12 | Tem | really? |
| 00:53.13 | Tem | wow |
| 00:53.14 | Codayus | You'll only get items that would otherwise be DEed. |
| 00:53.26 | Iriel | Button, FontString, EditBox, Tooltip and something else (not sure offhand) are all different |
| 00:53.37 | Codayus | lol |
| 00:53.44 | Tem | oh nevermind |
| 00:53.51 | Tem | I understood your answer wrong |
| 00:53.57 | Tem | I thought you meant they were the same |
| 00:54.22 | Iriel | Ah, SimpleHTML, of course |
| 00:54.36 | Tem | oh I've always wondered, how do tooltips function if you don't give them fontstrings? |
| 00:55.47 | Codayus | I was in a guild just starting in MC for a while. The Dkp system they were trying sucked SO BADLY. I had more DKP than anyone by a significant margin; it STILL sucked. |
| 00:56.08 | Legorol | btw, Iriel, you said at some point that you distinguish methods by assigning unique IDs to ones for which method1 ~= method2 |
| 00:56.31 | Legorol | I would like to convince you to just use tostring(method) which is already a unique ID, since it's the start address of the function |
| 00:56.53 | Legorol | in general, tostring(method1) == tostring(method2) if and only if method1==method2, afaik |
| 00:58.58 | Legorol | Tem, see http://wow.pastebin.com/445600 |
| 00:59.15 | Legorol | list of methods with address |
| 00:59.28 | Legorol | if you see several addresses for one method, it's interesting to try with __index(nil, ) |
| 00:59.33 | Iriel | Legorol It's easier to use numbers for me, I use tables keyed by the functions these days. so it's VERY fast. |
| 01:00.28 | Legorol | that was going to be my next suggestion, using the functions themselves as keys ;-) |
| 01:00.50 | Legorol | I figured you might be generating an XML or something, and you wanted a "printable" representation of the function though |
| 01:01.07 | Legorol | besides, i never found speed to be an issue on any scans i've been doing |
| 01:01.08 | Iriel | I'm happy with 'The version of Show I got from frame X' |
| 01:01.10 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 01:01.16 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 01:01.22 | Iriel | Well, i scan every frame in the whole game |
| 01:01.25 | Iriel | it takes about a minute |
| 01:01.29 | Iriel | it used to take about 5 |
| 01:01.33 | Legorol | ehm... i do it differently |
| 01:01.35 | Iriel | before I did the table key thing |
| 01:01.41 | Legorol | i just have one object of each possible type defined |
| 01:01.44 | Legorol | and scan those |
| 01:01.50 | Iriel | I didn't trust that they wouldn't be different |
| 01:01.57 | Iriel | (Though my later code does verify that works) |
| 01:02.26 | Legorol | you mean that objects that have the same frame type in XML could have different methods once added to the Lua namespace? |
| 01:02.31 | Legorol | that'd be pretty screwy.. |
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| 01:02.49 | Iriel | I was worried that MIGHT be the case.. i've been convinced it's not since then |
| 01:02.51 | Legorol | i just always assumed things weren't *that* bad |
| 01:02.53 | Iriel | But i decided to not change my code |
| 01:02.59 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 01:03.26 | Legorol | btw, can you think of a way for me to scan the global namespace for internal API, once they lock down FrameXML? |
| 01:03.43 | Legorol | if i do it from an AddOn, getfenv() also includes the Blizz Lua functions |
| 01:03.54 | Legorol | and without a very complicated parser, you can't filter those out |
| 01:04.02 | Legorol | like the one you got |
| 01:04.06 | Legorol | I am thinking if there is another way.. |
| 01:04.36 | Tem | Legorol: you could just look into the framexml |
| 01:04.51 | Tem | afaik they aren't going to prevent us from extracting it |
| 01:04.56 | Tem | just not allow changes |
| 01:04.59 | Osagasu | why is CS in here? |
| 01:05.17 | Tem | because the channel is guarded |
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| 01:06.37 | Legorol | Tem, it's not so simple |
| 01:06.50 | Legorol | If you look into FrameXML, you need to parse the Lua files and XML too |
| 01:06.58 | Legorol | and try to catch all cases where the code defines a global function |
| 01:07.11 | Legorol | which most of the time is just of the form function SomeBlizzGlobal() ... end |
| 01:07.15 | Legorol | but there are a few exceptions I think |
| 01:07.31 | Legorol | e.g. what if the code uses setfenv to create a global function? |
| 01:07.47 | Legorol | you can't tell that from a cursory scan of the Lua files |
| 01:08.45 | Iriel | It's infeasible to do a 100% accurate automated scan |
| 01:09.32 | Iriel | but blizzard dont do silliness |
| 01:10.12 | Legorol | I wish when they lock FrameXML they add something to allow us to load stuff before Blizz UI code |
| 01:10.46 | Legorol | It would also be nice if there was a way to give a "high" priority to an AddOn so that it loads before other AddOns that are normal priority |
| 01:10.52 | Legorol | e.g. a .toc keyword |
| 01:10.52 | Tem | I don't understand why framexml overrides are still allowed at all |
| 01:10.59 | Tem | they just cause problems |
| 01:11.06 | Legorol | because not all functionality can be achieved as yet |
| 01:11.13 | Legorol | which you can do with FrameXML overrides |
| 01:11.23 | Legorol | most notably, changing XML attributes |
| 01:11.35 | Legorol | some of them don't have appropriate Lua :Setattrib() methods |
| 01:12.29 | Legorol | btw, Tem, getmetatable(UIParent).__index(nil,"AddLine") returned nil for me on test 1.9 |
| 01:12.33 | Legorol | haven't tried 1.8 |
| 01:15.00 | Tem | hmm |
| 01:15.28 | Tem | I haven't tried it since before 1.7 came out |
| 01:15.32 | Tem | maybe it was changed a long time ago |
| 01:15.36 | Tem | and I never noticed |
| 01:17.32 | Legorol | same in 1.8 |
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| 01:46.53 | Nomad_Wanderer | Howd |
| 01:46.57 | Nomad_Wanderer | howdy :) |
| 01:47.01 | Cair | hi Nomad_Wanderer |
| 01:47.14 | Nomad_Wanderer | I'm guilty of some stealth bumping today.. |
| 01:48.24 | Nomad_Wanderer | But it was for a good cause... Priests need more love |
| 01:48.50 | Iriel | Horde shadow priests need to burn in their own special hell |
| 01:49.22 | Tem | rofl |
| 01:49.34 | Nomad_Wanderer | Alliance holy priest :( |
| 01:50.48 | Iriel | Hm, I hope I win a video card |
| 01:50.55 | Iriel | In the anniversary giveaway |
| 01:52.40 | Tem | a video card would be nice |
| 01:52.45 | Cair | >< |
| 01:52.58 | Cair | "All individuals who are residents of the United States of America" |
| 01:53.57 | Tem | aww poor canada lady can't win one |
| 02:02.41 | Codayus | Hmmm, quote from a scholomance raid: <Idiot> Is anyone running a meter for damage taken? I've *got* to be first! |
| 02:02.56 | Codayus | <Other person> No, you're second. |
| 02:03.02 | Codayus | *later* <Id |
| 02:03.27 | Cair | cut off at *later* <Id |
| 02:03.30 | Codayus | <Other person> Uh the meters don't log damage out of combat. Standing in the cloud doesn't help. |
| 02:03.47 | Codayus | Sorry, the <Id was a typo.Ignore. |
| 02:04.16 | Codayus | Yes, the guy was standing in a cloud of green gas to try and boost his damage taken stats. *sigh* |
| 02:04.27 | Codayus | Pickup groups...so sad... :-( |
| 02:04.31 | Cair | lol |
| 02:06.29 | Codayus | For reference, this is a 10-man raid. They lost 5 people on the first pull of the AoE room in the study! |
| 02:06.34 | Tem | haha |
| 02:06.45 | Tem | that is why I never do PUGs anymore |
| 02:07.21 | Codayus | Aaaand another 3. Still in the AoE side room. |
| 02:08.11 | Tem | lol |
| 02:10.53 | Codayus | It's always a sad day wyhen you look at a raid, and realize it would be easier and faster with 5 fewer people "helping". |
| 02:12.34 | kergoth | Codayus: haha |
| 02:18.33 | Tem | I think I'm going to actually /play/ the game |
| 02:18.36 | Tem | later guys |
| 02:33.22 | Kaelten | hello guys |
| 02:33.27 | Cair | hey Kael :) |
| 02:34.13 | Kaelten | Hey Cair! |
| 03:00.17 | Kaelten | wb law |
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| 03:01.23 | ToastTheif | http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2425/konkerinterface6co.jpg |
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| 03:08.16 | Osagasu | hurry up with the next KCI beta! |
| 03:08.22 | Cair | heh |
| 03:10.27 | Anduin|Class | oo, i like the new 'Load out of date addons' checkbox.. |
| 03:10.49 | Anduin|Class | and the character specific addon lists |
| 03:10.59 | Iriel | Load out of date addons has been there for months |
| 03:11.04 | ToastTheif | lol |
| 03:11.08 | Anduin|Class | O.o |
| 03:11.21 | ToastTheif | http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2425/konkerinterface6co.jpg <--- my first interface since I got WoW back |
| 03:11.23 | Anduin|Class | ok, well i didn't notice it till it automaticly unchecked i guess |
| 03:15.40 | Legorol | ToastTheif, is Konker you? |
| 03:15.46 | Legorol | in that case, can i ask something.. |
| 03:15.54 | ToastTheif | yes |
| 03:15.56 | ToastTheif | it is |
| 03:15.59 | Legorol | what's the icon that is below the tailoring one in the topright corner? |
| 03:16.04 | Legorol | that looks like a burning hook |
| 03:16.28 | ToastTheif | Smelting =P |
| 03:16.36 | Legorol | oh yah, good point! |
| 03:16.51 | ToastTheif | heh |
| 03:16.56 | Legorol | also, are the spells in the bottom right the only ones you ever use? |
| 03:17.06 | Legorol | what about the remainder of your spells? |
| 03:19.45 | ToastTheif | hmm |
| 03:19.54 | ToastTheif | yes, those are the only ones I use |
| 03:19.57 | ToastTheif | Im only lvl 18 |
| 03:20.02 | ToastTheif | so I don't have many |
| 03:20.14 | ToastTheif | and the extra one's I do have are kinda useless at such a low lvl |
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| 04:38.51 | kergoth | goddamn |
| 04:38.52 | kergoth | comcast can go fuck themselves in the ass with a big rubber dick |
| 04:39.00 | kergoth | ~stab kergoth's internet provider |
| 04:39.02 | purl | ACTION runs at kergoth's internet provider with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 04:39.09 | kergoth | dropping left and right |
| 04:39.11 | kergoth | call tech support |
| 04:39.13 | kergoth | "its your router" |
| 04:39.16 | kergoth | "reboot your computer" |
| 04:39.23 | kergoth | can we get someone with a fucking clue on the phone, please? |
| 04:40.49 | Anduin|Class | 3798 spam emails... deleted... all from the last 12 hours |
| 04:41.26 | kergoth | <kergoth> comcast can go fuck themselves in the ass with a big rubber dick |
| 04:41.27 | kergoth | <scanlime> rubber is awfully generous |
| 04:41.27 | kergoth | <scanlime> maybe.. sandpaper |
| 04:41.27 | kergoth | <scanlime> or a cactus |
| 04:41.44 | Anduin|Class | ya, Cox is the same way |
| 04:42.01 | kergoth | you know what i hate worst about their tech support |
| 04:42.10 | kergoth | i can deal with an idiot level one support, thats usual |
| 04:42.13 | Anduin|Class | bad service, bad customer support, bad pricing |
| 04:42.14 | kergoth | but goddamn, record the call logs |
| 04:42.25 | kergoth | look fuckers, we eliminated the modem as a possible problem 6 months ago |
| 04:43.56 | Anduin|Class | we got charged $100 for our $79 modem because got it with the service rather than with a startup kit... bastards. They said it was $79 whihc is a ripp off anyway and then charged us $25 a month for the first 4 months... |
| 04:44.30 | Anduin|Class | call the up and we get a 'that's how much it costs' |
| 04:45.10 | AnduinLothar | I'm never getting cable again after this lease is up |
| 04:45.19 | Kaelten | lease on cable? |
| 04:45.24 | AnduinLothar | i don't care if i have to sign up for a phone line i wont use |
| 04:45.29 | AnduinLothar | lease on the apt |
| 04:45.37 | Kaelten | ah |
| 04:45.48 | Kaelten | hmm my company just rents me the cable modem for 3 dollars a month |
| 04:45.50 | AnduinLothar | not worth changing isp just for 6 months |
| 04:45.56 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: same. i cant stand these companies |
| 04:45.59 | kergoth | it sucks |
| 04:46.26 | Kaelten | I can't stand Bellsouth, so I'm probably never going to go dsl again |
| 04:46.33 | AnduinLothar | $3 for 12 months is definitely better than $100 |
| 04:46.47 | Kaelten | yep my thoughts too |
| 04:46.48 | AnduinLothar | I've had good dealings with SBC |
| 04:46.58 | Kaelten | SBC doesn't operate in my area |
| 04:47.06 | AnduinLothar | and their online support is pretty useful |
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| 04:47.36 | Guillotine | wierd new topic |
| 04:47.48 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't mean anything |
| 04:47.59 | Guillotine | i know. thats why its wierc |
| 04:48.02 | Guillotine | wierd* |
| 04:48.08 | Kaelten | hmm, weird. |
| 04:48.39 | Guillotine | i made a program that crashed once. i put it in my resumé and sent it to microsoft. |
| 04:48.45 | Cair | do you have a PROBLEM with me being weird?!?! HMMMMMM?????? |
| 04:49.40 | Kaelten | no cair, we know you're weird |
| 04:49.53 | Kaelten | it's kinda cute sometimes. |
| 04:50.10 | Cair | then quichurbtchn |
| 04:50.31 | Kaelten | yer cute when you get angry |
| 04:50.45 | Cair | hmph |
| 04:50.57 | AnduinLothar | you realize that statement has absolutely no meaning in this medium |
| 04:51.00 | Kaelten | dyou know its sad I'm a level 1 warrior on the test server sitting in goldshire just so I can get good error messages while I'm developing. |
| 04:51.01 | kergoth | i like the new topic |
| 04:51.56 | AnduinLothar | as oppossed to bad error msgs? |
| 04:52.14 | Kaelten | yep |
| 04:52.20 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 04:52.23 | Kaelten | to me a partial file name is not very helpful |
| 04:52.34 | AnduinLothar | i'm confused |
| 04:52.49 | kergoth | i really hope they add the stack trace to the error output |
| 04:52.53 | AnduinLothar | oh, u mean as oppossed to public servers? |
| 04:53.05 | Kaelten | on the live server I get a partial error message 99% of the time, |
| 04:53.18 | AnduinLothar | that's just OnLoad errors |
| 04:53.23 | AnduinLothar | but yes |
| 04:53.30 | Kaelten | no not just onload errors |
| 04:53.42 | AnduinLothar | mmm, tht's the only ones i get truncated |
| 04:53.44 | Kaelten | happens on me debuging my chat command handlers |
| 04:53.58 | Kaelten | couldn't figure out the error so I had to switch over to the test server |
| 04:54.05 | Kaelten | glad that is getting fixed this patch |
| 04:54.27 | AnduinLothar | u mean file truncated or error msg not wrapping? |
| 04:55.06 | Kaelten | I see Interface/KC_AutoRepair/KC_A...... |
| 04:55.06 | Kaelten | or the like |
| 04:55.12 | Kaelten | which means jack |
| 04:55.28 | AnduinLothar | mk |
| 04:55.47 | AnduinLothar | so um.. i'm having an issue with my new ChatBar... |
| 04:56.36 | Kaelten | whats up? |
| 04:56.55 | AnduinLothar | I have an OnUpdate that should only be starting OnVarsLoaded, yet it seems to execute for some unknown time period before then so that the current width of the bar ends up larger than the screen by the time it actually is made visible |
| 04:57.29 | AnduinLothar | I'm using a complicated variable accelleration algoritm, but i cant figure out why it's executing before the frame is visible |
| 04:57.54 | Kaelten | variable accelleration algorithm? |
| 04:58.25 | AnduinLothar | ya, it's too complicated to explain. we spent about a week trying to craft one i liked |
| 04:58.52 | AnduinLothar | basicly accellerates away from teh starting point and decelerated to the end |
| 04:58.53 | Kaelten | is adding a simple if(frame:IsVisible()) out? |
| 04:59.21 | AnduinLothar | dunno, guess i should just debug it with print statements |
| 04:59.34 | Kaelten | ya, find out whats causing it to set off early |
| 05:00.13 | AnduinLothar | actually, i can probably just make it default hidden and use Show onvarsloaded, rather than using a flag |
| 05:01.08 | AnduinLothar | i think this is the algorithm we eventually decided on: |
| 05:01.10 | AnduinLothar | local desiredVelocity = ConstantVelocityModifier * (this.endsize - currSize); |
| 05:01.10 | AnduinLothar | local acceleration = ConstantJerk * (desiredVelocity - this.velocity); |
| 05:01.10 | AnduinLothar | this.velocity = this.velocity + acceleration * elapsed; |
| 05:01.10 | AnduinLothar | ChatBar_SetSize(currSize + this.velocity * elapsed); |
| 05:01.44 | AnduinLothar | with an end cap to halt movement when u get to the desired size |
| 05:02.40 | AnduinLothar | kinda kool tho cause the cap is just like 4 pixals wide so if you start far enough away you can overshoot it and it bounces back |
| 05:03.05 | Kaelten | hmm sounds kinda neat, so just a visual effect? |
| 05:03.24 | AnduinLothar | ya, not really anything more than eye candy |
| 05:04.45 | AnduinLothar | just decided i wanted to make it pretty |
| 05:05.17 | Kaelten | heh, I know what you mean, sometimes just making something look cool is neat |
| 05:05.22 | AnduinLothar | should be a mov up here somewhere.. think it's http://karlkfi.no-ip.com/games/wow/screenshots/chatbar.mov |
| 05:06.56 | AnduinLothar | it's evil makign those dynamicly colorable buttons tho |
| 05:07.27 | AnduinLothar | has one too many layers than are availible in the xml.. |
| 05:08.50 | Kaelten | nice, question though, what is that spost to actualyl be doing? |
| 05:09.10 | AnduinLothar | well that mov is just demoing the movement |
| 05:09.22 | AnduinLothar | usually you would pic one of those orientations |
| 05:09.34 | AnduinLothar | each button is a chat type or channel |
| 05:09.46 | AnduinLothar | they flash when you recieve something on that type or channel |
| 05:09.54 | AnduinLothar | clicking them opens chat of that type |
| 05:10.07 | AnduinLothar | color matches the chat type |
| 05:10.27 | AnduinLothar | text on or off the button, or disabled |
| 05:10.55 | AnduinLothar | it slides to occomidate new buttons when you join/leave a party or guild or channel |
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| 05:11.06 | Kaelten | nice, looks good |
| 05:12.08 | Kaelten | sounds like a neat addon, does it hide all chat windows by default? |
| 05:12.15 | AnduinLothar | might add sticky, coloring or filtering options in a rightclick menu.. |
| 05:12.24 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 05:12.34 | AnduinLothar | why would it? |
| 05:13.05 | Kaelten | just asking regarding the behavior |
| 05:13.22 | AnduinLothar | hide all chat types u mean? |
| 05:13.49 | Kaelten | ya kinda. |
| 05:14.27 | Guillotine | If there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex? |
| 05:15.22 | AnduinLothar | not following u kael |
| 05:16.08 | AnduinLothar | guil, that's called the physics of material suface characteristics |
| 05:17.05 | Kaelten | just trying to figure out what its actually doing. |
| 05:18.17 | AnduinLothar | it's just a bar. it doesn't actually effect the chat frames except by openning the editbox |
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| 05:18.57 | Kaelten | cool |
| 05:19.13 | Kaelten | was just wondering since you said it flashed when something came in that channel |
| 05:19.25 | AnduinLothar | the button flashes |
| 05:19.44 | AnduinLothar | when u recieve a msg of that type |
| 05:23.05 | AnduinLothar | Know any good way to call an event after all the startup UPDATE_CHAT_COLOR events have been called? |
| 05:23.18 | AnduinLothar | or should i just setup a countdown |
| 05:24.14 | Kaelten | hmm |
| 05:24.41 | Kaelten | ya thats a bad one fires over 100 times on load for me |
| 05:25.17 | Kaelten | let me look |
| 05:26.22 | AnduinLothar | i have an onupdate 30 frame countdown already implimented i can use, jsut wondering if there's something easier |
| 05:26.41 | Guillotine | Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm halfway through my fishburger and I realize that I could be eating a slow learner. |
| 05:26.53 | Guillotine | let me know if my quotes are interfering with your conversation btw |
| 05:27.12 | AnduinLothar | only interfering with my state of mind |
| 05:28.29 | AnduinLothar | mmm nifty, a war in almost full Dark iron gear next to me |
| 05:28.35 | AnduinLothar | he just needs the pants |
| 05:28.45 | AnduinLothar | aren't they like 30fr? |
| 05:30.40 | Kaelten | hmm, you could register the Minimap_Update_Zoom (or some other late running event) and then register the event |
| 05:30.58 | Kaelten | unregisterign the trigger event |
| 05:34.42 | AnduinLothar | meh countdown is easier |
| 05:35.29 | Kolth | Why does Ace continue to attract me to using it? |
| 05:36.00 | Cair | why not? |
| 05:36.07 | Kolth | :P |
| 05:36.31 | Kaelten | Kolth: hmm? |
| 05:36.36 | AnduinLothar | doesn't reall attract me :/ only think i kinda like is the abstracted event frame so you dont need an xml |
| 05:37.15 | Kaelten | well we have a update thats going to fix some of the known issues, and then we're starting work on Ace2 |
| 05:38.13 | AnduinLothar | i'm also not really liking the profuse use of ... and unpack |
| 05:38.37 | Kaelten | we're going to be fixing much of that. |
| 05:38.43 | kergoth | i'd like to see ace2's core just be: object model, the event frame, and a fancy aceutil framework. |
| 05:38.51 | kergoth | move the rest, acedb and things, into utils |
| 05:39.43 | Kaelten | hmm |
| 05:39.45 | Kaelten | not sure about that |
| 05:39.54 | Kaelten | I've got to go read a paper real quick brb |
| 05:40.49 | kergoth | conceptually, i see ace as an object model, the event frame, and a "pile of code bits of code that addons may or may not use", which is what aceutil is supposed to address, loading those things only when necessary |
| 05:41.16 | Kolth | I like Ace because people are writing all the AddOns I like into Ace, more often than not improving upon them. |
| 05:42.09 | kergoth | i think thats due in general to the mentality of the developers that are in the ace community, more than ace itself |
| 05:42.19 | kergoth | tends to be a bunch of folks interested in small efficient bits of code |
| 05:42.28 | Kolth | Or... |
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| 05:42.30 | Kolth | They're demons. |
| 05:42.34 | kergoth | or both! |
| 05:42.37 | AnduinLothar | tho i find it sad that they dont improve upon the old code |
| 05:42.38 | kergoth | rawr |
| 05:42.39 | Kolth | Iriel knows for sure. |
| 05:42.45 | Iriel | I know what? |
| 05:42.51 | Kolth | Ace devs are demons. |
| 05:43.22 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: yeah, i have to say i'm not really a fan of this "lets convert addon foo to ace, and not change anything else!" |
| 05:43.23 | kergoth | thing |
| 05:43.25 | kergoth | i mean, whats the point |
| 05:43.35 | kergoth | at least clean it up, simply, fix the code, make it fast small and efficient |
| 05:43.40 | kergoth | s/simply/simplify/ |
| 05:43.41 | AnduinLothar | i do the oppositte |
| 05:43.46 | Kolth | Cair: That woman on your main page makes me think dirty thoughts! |
| 05:43.54 | Cair | heh |
| 05:44.06 | AnduinLothar | I've de-aced 2 or 3 addons for my own use |
| 05:44.15 | Cair | now, don't you want to be a good boy so santa can send his helper? |
| 05:44.26 | kergoth | i dont really see the point of that, either, other than removing a dependency |
| 05:44.31 | Kolth | Yes, ma'am! |
| 05:44.46 | AnduinLothar | it's mainly just to use dependacies i already have |
| 05:44.54 | kergoth | i dont see ace vs sea use in an addon as being a big thing. it can be switched easily enough. most of the issues with the code are common regardless |
| 05:45.20 | AnduinLothar | it's actually not that easy. it's not a 1to1 conversion |
| 05:45.30 | AnduinLothar | u end up reqritting most of the addon |
| 05:45.38 | Cair | so shall I presume that she is an acceptable avatar for the season? |
| 05:45.49 | Kolth | Yes :P |
| 05:46.07 | Cair | she's what I was actually bitching about earlier, that I'd lost 2 days worth of work on her |
| 05:46.12 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: well, i see that as being more due to ace's tendency to OO methodology vs otherwise than ace vs sea in general |
| 05:46.18 | Cair | that's the crappy "get it finished in a hurry" version |
| 05:46.19 | Kolth | Lost? Heavens no. |
| 05:46.23 | kergoth | more a chagne due to development methodology than your dependencies |
| 05:46.35 | Cair | she was better before |
| 05:47.17 | AnduinLothar | well 2 major things stick out that mean code conversion: the event functions and the OO with a passed self. |
| 05:47.50 | AnduinLothar | everything else is cake, but the majority of the conversion is changing self vars to a tabled or global var |
| 05:48.43 | kergoth | you know that you dont have to remove the use of OO and self in order to convert it from ace to sea, right :P |
| 05:49.01 | kergoth | again, more a code methodology change than a dependent library change |
| 05:49.19 | AnduinLothar | right, but you have to set it up to pass self |
| 05:49.32 | AnduinLothar | which is basicly like including the ace code |
| 05:50.47 | kergoth | well yeah, you'd have to remove calls to inherited methods |
| 05:50.54 | AnduinLothar | and most of them use a database to save, which is horrable if you dont have the code to check it against the saved var for changed fields |
| 05:52.02 | kergoth | anyway, i just hate the tendency to convert addons to/from ace _just for that_. i see people wanting to remove a dep for their use, but it tends to encourage this factional ace vs cosmos mentality |
| 05:52.35 | kergoth | if i'm going to rework an addon, it'll probably use ace, but that's incidental. the point was to make it suck less, not to convert it to ace :) |
| 05:54.06 | futrtrubl | damn, as soon as I give an object 2 anchors trying to size it has no effect |
| 05:54.07 | AnduinLothar | well my point isn't that ace is bad. it's that i already have 90% of that lib code in other libraries |
| 05:55.01 | Guillotine | http://www.bash.org/?177548 |
| 05:55.22 | kergoth | right, i get that, i just dont like the mentality that develops on the part of /users/ resulting from such things |
| 05:55.31 | AnduinLothar | so either i convert a few ace addons to use my libs or i convert the 100 addons i'm using to use ace.. |
| 05:56.54 | AnduinLothar | seems like no contest, esp since i've written some of the duplicate lib code and know mine works, how to use it, that i can update it if it breaks, etc |
| 05:57.03 | Guillotine | http://www.bash.org/?408973 |
| 05:57.42 | kergoth | i'm not arguing that you should stop converting addons to sea for your own use, i'll just continue to dislike the whole ace vs cosmos factionalization(?) that seems to be happening |
| 05:58.31 | kergoth | Guillotine: hehe |
| 05:58.50 | Guillotine | kergoth: which one? |
| 05:59.21 | kergoth | i like the second :) |
| 05:59.39 | kergoth | have you seen http://www.bash.org/?583977 ? :) |
| 05:59.58 | Guillotine | ya |
| 05:59.59 | AnduinLothar | well the factionalization was initiated when a new library was made that does the same thing as parts of other libs... it's inherently efficiency conflicting |
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| 06:00.50 | kergoth | I could argue it in either direction. |
| 06:00.57 | Guillotine | dammit. ppl in this channel are too smart. I need to find a stupider channel to mess with... |
| 06:00.59 | kergoth | on the one hand, competition is good, and multiple efforts tend to fuel one another |
| 06:01.13 | kergoth | on the other, look at kde and gnome. it can fracture an already small community |
| 06:01.19 | Deph | all I have to do is press ESC to close this bloody window |
| 06:01.33 | Deph | stupid Trillian |
| 06:01.34 | Iriel | And in that case, both suck in their own special ways (Kde/Gnome) |
| 06:01.51 | kergoth | well, i think that applies to ace and cosmos as well :P |
| 06:01.56 | kergoth | and just about everything in general, actually |
| 06:02.01 | kergoth | just a matter of degree |
| 06:02.20 | Guillotine | OMG! http://www.bash.org/?13077 . It is just so perfect and it has to do with my name... |
| 06:02.49 | kergoth | hah |
| 06:03.22 | AnduinLothar | good thing i use addons. or else i dotn think i coudl raid at 2.7 fps.. |
| 06:03.40 | Deph | what do you think Blizz would do if I repeatedly spammed "FU" in troll at Alliane who say "I LO VE U" while they kill me? |
| 06:04.02 | Deph | repeatedly spammed meaning every time they spam me XD |
| 06:04.51 | Deph | why 2.7 fps? -- dial up? |
| 06:05.06 | kergoth | dial up would affect latency, not frame rate |
| 06:05.22 | Deph | when I was on Dial up my framerate went to crap in a raid |
| 06:06.08 | kergoth | that doesnt make much sense |
| 06:06.15 | Deph | nope... but it did |
| 06:06.18 | Deph | any large groups of people |
| 06:06.24 | Deph | framerate shot way down |
| 06:06.37 | Tem`wow | Woot! |
| 06:06.43 | Tem`wow | 9 C Stack Overflows at once |
| 06:06.52 | kergoth | fun |
| 06:07.43 | Cair | only geeks could ever cheer about stack overflows :p |
| 06:07.49 | Tem`wow | kergoth: (19:52:17) rici: nope, I'm wrong. |
| 06:08.01 | Guillotine | w00t. I just hacked your computer kergoth |
| 06:08.03 | Tem`wow | I just about lost it when he said that |
| 06:08.06 | Guillotine | or should I say Chris Larson |
| 06:08.30 | kergoth | *gasp* someone learned about /whois! |
| 06:08.32 | Tem`wow | like that's not free infomation |
| 06:08.35 | kergoth | oh ehm gee |
| 06:08.43 | kergoth | Tem`wow: haha, wow |
| 06:08.45 | Guillotine | dammit. seriously, this channel is too samrt. I can't mess with you ppl... |
| 06:09.00 | Guillotine | anyone know of any stupider channels? |
| 06:09.04 | Cair | no, you can't, so why do you keep trying? |
| 06:09.05 | kergoth | dood |
| 06:09.05 | Deph | ... really... who here hasn't been using IRC for years? |
| 06:09.07 | kergoth | this is freenode |
| 06:09.11 | kergoth | find a stupider network |
| 06:09.15 | kergoth | like efnet or dalnet |
| 06:09.16 | Iriel | I haven't |
| 06:09.25 | Guillotine | i've been using it for about 2 weeks |
| 06:09.25 | AnduinLothar | i havent |
| 06:09.27 | kergoth | i've been using it since 97 or so |
| 06:09.43 | Iriel | I've "used" it since the early 90's but never for more than a few minutes at a time |
| 06:09.46 | Guillotine | maybe ill try irc.wowirc.com |
| 06:09.47 | Deph | 97 or 98, I don't remember |
| 06:09.48 | AnduinLothar | i've been usng it for about a yr and a half |
| 06:09.49 | Cair | dalnet, efnet, undernet, been on them all |
| 06:10.04 | kergoth | efnet.. gods.. i dont miss that at all |
| 06:10.08 | Deph | dal, undernet, not efnet... espernet, gamesnet |
| 06:10.28 | kergoth | what was the name of that inter-bbs network back in the bbs days.. |
| 06:10.32 | kergoth | fido? something like that |
| 06:10.45 | Deph | don't do it! |
| 06:10.48 | Deph | ... *sigh* |
| 06:11.03 | Deph | The internet was both better and worse before the GREAT STUPEFACTION |
| 06:11.34 | Iriel | Yeah, it was cool, and barren, in the early 90's |
| 06:11.41 | Iriel | but.. NO SPAM |
| 06:11.44 | Deph | lol |
| 06:11.48 | Iriel | I'd give quite a lot up to get THAT back |
| 06:11.49 | AnduinLothar | well it started out bein gused by just programmers, so the stupification is on purpose |
| 06:11.51 | Deph | I got on in the mid nineties |
| 06:12.14 | Deph | well... THE INTERNET mid nineties... did modem junks before that |
| 06:12.22 | kergoth | i miss bbs's. was much more intimate than the net. smaller, less people, usually local |
| 06:12.24 | kergoth | door games |
| 06:12.26 | kergoth | good fun |
| 06:13.18 | Deph | it's only recently that every idiot can get online, and I go to companies webpages and can't navitage |
| 06:13.20 | Deph | navigate |
| 06:13.23 | Deph | What is it with that? |
| 06:13.33 | Deph | interfaces of corporate webpages are UN-NAVIGABLE now |
| 06:13.43 | kergoth | any idiot can make a webpage with frontpage, i'd say that part of it :P |
| 06:13.44 | AnduinLothar | it's all about the old AOL Geocities days when wysiwyg was just becoming usable |
| 06:13.51 | Deph | are they trying to get you to see more ads? -- or do they just try to link EVERYTHING to the front page? |
| 06:14.14 | Deph | I can't find shit on 9 out of 10 major corporations webpages anymore |
| 06:14.49 | Iriel | At least now you can buy high-end coffeemakers in your underwear |
| 06:14.56 | Deph | lol |
| 06:14.59 | kergoth | there is that |
| 06:15.02 | Cair | you could before, too :p |
| 06:15.04 | Deph | I love shopping online, and I love the information |
| 06:15.07 | Deph | Wikipedia is my friend |
| 06:15.13 | kergoth | Cair: without getting arrested? |
| 06:15.19 | Cair | yes |
| 06:15.19 | Deph | phone? |
| 06:15.21 | kergoth | oh, home shopping network? |
| 06:15.22 | Deph | catalog? |
| 06:15.23 | Cair | nope |
| 06:15.23 | kergoth | pfft |
| 06:15.24 | Cair | nope |
| 06:15.31 | kergoth | enlighten us |
| 06:15.31 | Deph | well? |
| 06:15.33 | Cair | in store |
| 06:15.41 | Cair | as long as it's beach legal ... |
| 06:15.56 | kergoth | true, that wouldnt be indecent exposure |
| 06:16.24 | Cair | what's the difference between the pair of boxers you go swimming in and the pair you call underwear? |
| 06:16.39 | Cair | :p |
| 06:16.39 | Iriel | I should have said 'naked' I guess |
| 06:16.43 | Cair | heh |
| 06:17.32 | Deph | lol @ pally's on Black War Kodos |
| 06:17.45 | Guillotine | i love that bug... |
| 06:18.09 | Deph | that's so great |
| 06:21.37 | Cair | woohoo! |
| 06:21.40 | Deph | oi |
| 06:21.45 | Guillotine | ok .sry |
| 06:21.48 | Guillotine | g2g guys |
| 06:21.51 | Guillotine | ttyl |
| 06:21.57 | Cair|wow | ... |
| 06:22.05 | Cair|wow | later Guillotine |
| 06:28.10 | Kaelten | back |
| 06:28.41 | Deph | ... wait |
| 06:28.50 | Deph | ... so... they add... a new.... greater heal.... |
| 06:30.23 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 06:30.41 | Deph | the new books to learn high ranked spells |
| 06:30.41 | Kaelten | Tem Ker yous till around? |
| 06:30.49 | Deph | .. they added a new BETTER greater heal... |
| 06:30.52 | Deph | as if that helps |
| 06:30.58 | Deph | or it'll get used |
| 06:31.06 | Deph | http://images.filecloud.com/81202/setsskillsjpg.jpg |
| 06:31.11 | AnduinLothar | is it mana efficient? |
| 06:31.39 | Deph | doesn't say... but does it matter? if it has that 4 second cast time, there's no reason to use it unless it costs less mana than the lower ranks |
| 06:31.57 | AnduinLothar | nifty battle tanks |
| 06:32.16 | AnduinLothar | only work in sithilid i spose |
| 06:35.10 | futrtrubl | how much does it cost to Show() something that is already shown? |
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| 06:36.35 | Kaelten | less than it costs to check if its visible I'd imagine |
| 06:36.53 | Iriel | It costs the function call, that's all, Show is smart |
| 06:37.03 | Kaelten | its is? cool |
| 06:37.26 | futrtrubl | how about SetVertexColor when the object is already the right color? |
| 06:37.52 | AnduinLothar | not smart |
| 06:37.56 | Iriel | I dunno, but that's probably almost free anyway, since the thing is repainted every frame |
| 06:38.02 | futrtrubl | didn't think so |
| 06:38.11 | futrtrubl | oh.... |
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| 06:41.52 | Stylpe | Hey, does anyone know about any addon that hooks another addons function(s)? |
| 06:42.12 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 06:42.18 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 06:42.33 | AnduinLothar | i've done it in 5 or 6 addons |
| 06:43.24 | AnduinLothar | y? |
| 06:43.31 | Stylpe | Do you know if anyone elses addons do it? |
| 06:43.36 | Iriel | Yeah, several of us are experienced hookers, especially AnduinLothar |
| 06:43.46 | Stylpe | Iriel: Lofl |
| 06:43.51 | AnduinLothar | ya, muge does it a couple times too |
| 06:44.16 | Stylpe | I'm making my own littlel performance measuring mod as an exercise |
| 06:44.32 | AnduinLothar | for what? |
| 06:44.44 | Stylpe | As an exercise..... |
| 06:44.50 | AnduinLothar | for measuring what? |
| 06:44.55 | Stylpe | performance |
| 06:44.58 | AnduinLothar | how |
| 06:45.20 | Stylpe | mem usage and execution time and calls per second of all addon functions |
| 06:45.36 | Iriel | Presumably a named subset? |
| 06:45.41 | AnduinLothar | thats a lot of functiosn to hook |
| 06:45.50 | Stylpe | Only for addons, that's the subset =) |
| 06:46.11 | AnduinLothar | might work if u only have half a dozen addons installed |
| 06:46.12 | Iriel | How do you find one addon's functions tho? |
| 06:46.34 | Stylpe | That's easy, I just make sure my addon loads first, and then monitor the global namespace fo radditions |
| 06:47.12 | Iriel | How about OO addons, which dont write to the global namespace directly? |
| 06:47.16 | AnduinLothar | cept they aren't all global |
| 06:47.22 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 06:47.22 | Stylpe | I'll just traverse their tables |
| 06:47.40 | Iriel | Well, I suspect it'll be an interesting and valuable learning exercise |
| 06:47.44 | Stylpe | :D |
| 06:48.21 | Iriel | not causing your own memory leaks will be a challenge |
| 06:48.22 | kergoth | Stylpe: you can use my chunked non-recursive wow table traversal code to do that safely, without blowing the stack or getting dc'd from the server, for that piece. or the non-chunked, if what you're doing is fast |
| 06:48.42 | Stylpe | kergoth: Thanks, I'll keep that in mind |
| 06:49.42 | Stylpe | But I think I'll write my own =) |
| 06:50.03 | Stylpe | For now, at least. It's noce to have something to fall back on in case I give up =P |
| 06:50.04 | kergoth | i find when doing exercises, you should focus on one specific thing |
| 06:50.29 | Stylpe | Well, I'll do that. I'll start with the table traversal, then the hooking |
| 06:50.41 | Stylpe | Or pimping, if you want =P |
| 06:50.53 | Stylpe | Hey! That's a nice name! Pimp |
| 06:51.31 | kergoth | hint: dont recurse. recursion is wonderful, but in a namespace as large as wow's, you can easily blow the stack |
| 06:52.11 | Stylpe | I have ideas for how not to recurse |
| 06:53.07 | kergoth | its a common enough thing. lots of ways to convert recursions into iterations |
| 06:53.11 | Stylpe | Oh, that reminds me, how do I access the global name space? =P |
| 06:53.27 | kergoth | getfenv(0) |
| 06:53.31 | kergoth | returns the table |
| 06:53.35 | Stylpe | goodie |
| 06:53.40 | kergoth | for k,v in getfenv(0) do ... end |
| 06:53.43 | Iriel | Cherish that |
| 06:53.44 | Stylpe | Just what I need ^_^ |
| 06:53.46 | Iriel | since we didn't always have it |
| 06:54.17 | Stylpe | No Pairs or Ipairs? (I have to read about those soon =P) |
| 06:54.31 | Iriel | tehre's an implied pairs there |
| 06:54.37 | Iriel | it's probably good style to put one in explicitly |
| 06:55.20 | kergoth | yeah, thats the deprecated method |
| 06:55.22 | kergoth | just do it out of habit |
| 06:55.25 | kergoth | need to break that habit :P |
| 06:56.22 | Stylpe | So far I've always done for k, v in table do ...., is that very wrong? |
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| 06:56.51 | futrtrubl | ditto to stylpe's question |
| 06:58.02 | kergoth | as iriel said, for k,v in table implies pairs(), but as i said, is deprecated |
| 06:58.14 | kergoth | the correct way would be to use it explicitly. for k,v in pairs(table) |
| 06:58.21 | futrtrubl | which means what exactly? |
| 06:58.40 | kergoth | not that its likely to go away in wow, but calling pairs explicitly is the Right Way(tm) |
| 06:58.46 | Stylpe | Ok, so ipairs iterates over all the numerically indexed entries until it hits an index with a nil value, and pairs just iterates over everything? |
| 06:59.01 | kergoth | Stylpe: both stop at the first nil |
| 06:59.15 | kergoth | Stylpe: ipairs iterates over numerically indexed entries /in order/ |
| 06:59.23 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.24 | kergoth | pairs just goes through the elements, no order guaranteed |
| 06:59.29 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: hm? |
| 06:59.38 | AnduinLothar | stop at a nil |
| 06:59.44 | Iriel | Well, it does, technically |
| 06:59.45 | kergoth | that's not correct. |
| 06:59.47 | kergoth | it does |
| 06:59.54 | Iriel | but it doesn't actually hit nil, per se, it just runs out of entries |
| 07:00.04 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 07:00.08 | kergoth | its the lua iteration protocol. |
| 07:00.12 | AnduinLothar | it will skip nil |
| 07:00.16 | Stylpe | It will present every key that has a non-nil value, no? |
| 07:00.20 | Iriel | Yes |
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| 07:00.30 | Iriel | kergoth : Yes, but in the pairs case, tehre's no key to go with that nil |
| 07:00.30 | futrtrubl | how can it stop at a nil? when would the first nil be in a non-numerically indexed table? |
| 07:00.33 | AnduinLothar | which is usually what u want |
| 07:00.36 | Iriel | kergoth : Whereas with ipairs there IS |
| 07:00.50 | Iriel | In the pairs case, the nil is synthetic |
| 07:01.39 | AnduinLothar | w/e just use for k, v in table do unless ur plannning on deleting a numerical key value in the for loop |
| 07:02.06 | Stylpe | I'll use pairs(), thank you |
| 07:02.25 | kergoth | for k,v in table is deprecated, andiun, and no longer exists in lua 5.1. not that it matters in wow, but its clearly not the right way |
| 07:03.10 | Kolth | What is foreach in LUA now? |
| 07:03.19 | kergoth | "foreach"? |
| 07:03.19 | Iriel | for k,v in pairs(table) do |
| 07:03.20 | futrtrubl | is for k,v in table one of thos syntactic sugar things? ;'] |
| 07:03.22 | AnduinLothar | should be foreach |
| 07:03.25 | Iriel | yeah |
| 07:03.39 | kergoth | oh, thats a perl thing isnt it, i remember foreach now |
| 07:03.56 | Kolth | Where did Foreach come from, anyways? |
| 07:04.04 | Kolth | Every language I use has it. |
| 07:04.12 | Iriel | for each |
| 07:04.13 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 07:04.25 | Iriel | it's from math, mostly |
| 07:04.43 | Kolth | Howso? |
| 07:05.20 | Iriel | The constructuion 'for each x in Y' is fairly common in math, I suspect that's where the keyword originated |
| 07:05.29 | Kolth | ah, I hear ya |
| 07:07.04 | Kolth | What do languages do behind the scenes when I try a for each loop? |
| 07:07.34 | Iriel | depends heavily on the language and the loop |
| 07:08.01 | Iriel | A good C/C++ compiler can do things you wouldn't even dream of 8-) |
| 07:08.08 | Kolth | Well, I ask because of how I learned to deal with Linear Linked Lists in C++ |
| 07:08.15 | Kolth | (->next) |
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| 07:08.38 | Iriel | the lua manual does a good job of describing LUA's approach |
| 07:08.42 | Kolth | Danke. |
| 07:08.44 | Kolth | Will look. |
| 07:08.58 | Kolth | I ask this between slaughterings of dirty Alliance scum. |
| 07:10.21 | Iriel | we're not dirty |
| 07:10.47 | Kolth | NE are! :) |
| 07:11.24 | AnduinLothar | Error: Interface\AddOns\SpellTips\SpellTips.lua:65: attempt to index global `TITAN_ITEMBONUSES_EFFECTS' (a nil value) |
| 07:13.09 | AnduinLothar | what does spelltips do? didn't know i had it installeD |
| 07:13.30 | Greywind | i have never heard of that addon |
| 07:13.58 | Greywind | found it http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2686 |
| 07:14.34 | Greywind | wait a minute that addon looks pretty nice |
| 07:15.29 | AnduinLothar | ah, i do remember dling it |
| 07:15.31 | AnduinLothar | recently |
| 07:16.24 | Greywind | good lord im rolling a priest now, a priest just hit me for a 1200 flash heal |
| 07:17.04 | Greywind | im still not sure why im playing WoW in a window while watching this chat :P |
| 07:17.13 | Greywind | must be bored |
| 07:19.01 | Iriel | Level 14, time for bed! |
| 07:19.07 | Cair | night Iriel |
| 07:20.28 | Iriel | Have fun! |
| 07:20.54 | kergoth | Iriel: i still dont see what you mean by stating that there's a key "to go with" the nil in the ipairs case. you seem to be implying that the numeric index / nil value element we're speaking of actually exists in the table, which likely isn't the case. |
| 07:26.15 | Greywind | well ill be WSG is up, cya later folks i have gnomes to stomp |
| 07:31.33 | Stylpe | Gah! Why is there so little xml documentation? =( |
| 07:31.48 | Kolth | What's to not know? |
| 07:32.03 | Stylpe | What all the widgets do |
| 07:32.12 | Kolth | Read WoWWiki? |
| 07:32.18 | Stylpe | I am =/ |
| 07:45.46 | Cair | kolth ... ah, you are still here ... |
| 07:46.07 | Cair | full sized version: http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/avatars/wow/cair_christmas_full.gif |
| 07:46.32 | Kolth | Still here. |
| 07:46.46 | Kolth | ooh :P |
| 07:47.00 | Kolth | Very spiffy. |
| 07:47.44 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 07:48.24 | futrtrubl | is (true == nil) false or would it give an error> |
| 07:48.38 | AnduinLothar | it's false |
| 07:49.06 | futrtrubl | good |
| 07:49.09 | AnduinLothar | why not use (not true) tho |
| 07:50.16 | futrtrubl | i'm comparing a var to a var which may not yet exist, I was just checking that it wouldn't cause problems |
| 07:55.00 | Kaelten | night guys |
| 07:55.29 | AnduinLothar | night kael |
| 07:56.32 | Cair | night Kael :) |
| 08:17.28 | futrtrubl | night y'all |
| 08:17.46 | Cair | night futrtrubl |
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| 08:22.24 | Cair | hey krka :) |
| 08:22.30 | krka | hi |
| 08:24.00 | Cair | hey Tekkub :) |
| 08:24.07 | Tekkub | *rawr* |
| 08:24.20 | Cair | *purr* |
| 08:27.30 | Codayus | Why do I look at the WoW General Discussion forum? |
| 08:27.51 | Cair | your masochistic tendencies? |
| 08:27.54 | AnduinLothar | newblet entertainment |
| 08:28.16 | Codayus | Honestly, it's about as productive as hitting myself in the head with a hammer. Only, less fun. :-( |
| 08:28.26 | Cair | your masochistic tendencies? |
| 08:28.29 | Cair | ;) |
| 08:29.10 | Codayus | :-( |
| 08:29.48 | Deph | lol |
| 08:30.24 | Deph | anybody know what's up with the new spell hit animations? |
| 08:32.09 | Kolth | Like on Arcane Missiles? |
| 08:32.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Industrial (n=tom@gateway.is.remotion.nl) |
| 08:34.09 | Deph | yeah |
| 08:34.39 | Deph | I was hoping they'd hit up renew, I'm tired of nobody seeing I renewed somebody, and having another healer cast a heal spell right afterward... |
| 08:34.47 | Deph | nobody ever did that with my druid |
| 08:34.59 | Deph | People notice when you cast rejuve |
| 08:35.06 | kergoth | Stylpe: as an exercise in making sure i get lua's iteration stuff, i did a new table traverser as an iterator, this one includes the "path": http://kergoth.com/mediawiki/index.php/Code/Lua/Foo8 :) |
| 08:35.25 | kergoth | Stylpe: (note: no actual code there, so it wont spoil your exercise. its just example usage) |
| 08:40.14 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.14 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.15 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.15 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.15 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.01 | Kalroth | ya rly |
| 08:43.37 | Deph | LOL |
| 08:43.43 | Deph | Trillian gave that owl an emote for a face |
| 08:43.55 | Deph | I really need to turn emotes off in chat |
| 08:44.05 | Kalroth | Trillian is horrible :p |
| 08:44.14 | Kalroth | (santa) |
| 08:44.16 | Kalroth | (dog) |
| 08:44.20 | Deph | lol, tabbed use is the only reason I really like it |
| 08:44.25 | Deph | I already turned off emotes |
| 08:44.28 | Kalroth | oh |
| 08:44.30 | Deph | but if you have them on, eat (ufo) |
| 08:44.40 | Kalroth | I don't use Trillian |
| 08:44.42 | Tekkub | I hate "emoticons".. I'm an old IRC fuddyduddy |
| 08:44.50 | Deph | lol |
| 08:44.57 | Kalroth | I never used mirc either ;) |
| 08:44.57 | Deph | I never used ANY form of emote until recently |
| 08:45.00 | Deph | I was corrupted |
| 08:45.20 | Deph | wtf trillian, where did you put that |
| 08:45.21 | Tekkub | I've taken a liking to ^^ and w ... damn JP in FFXI |
| 08:45.33 | Tekkub | I need to find the W they have |
| 08:45.34 | Kalroth | ^^;; |
| 08:45.52 | Kalroth | d;_;b |
| 08:45.56 | Cair | I *love* that itty bitty one! I hated the big one, but that one is just too damn cute! |
| 08:46.01 | Tekkub | ? |
| 08:46.12 | Kalroth | >< |
| 08:46.13 | Tekkub | yea I know it's greek not JP... |
| 08:46.20 | Industrial | ^___________________________^ |
| 08:46.26 | kergoth | ~lart Industrial |
| 08:46.29 | Cair | Indu, no |
| 08:46.31 | Industrial | ;x |
| 08:47.26 | Tekkub | anyone gonna go see Æon Flux? |
| 08:47.33 | Depherios | oh god |
| 08:47.38 | Industrial | 1 r t3h c5 h4x0r, 1 r gud @ (5)l4ng |
| 08:47.39 | Depherios | I can't believe they made a video game |
| 08:47.50 | Kalroth | I kinda liked the cartoon, I doubt the movie will be worth watching though |
| 08:47.52 | AnduinLothar | i prolly will just out of habit |
| 08:47.54 | kergoth | i'll see it. i wonder if the old cartoon is on dvd |
| 08:48.00 | Depherios | yeah |
| 08:48.03 | Depherios | they re-released it |
| 08:48.05 | kergoth | nice |
| 08:48.07 | Tekkub | I never really got to see the cartoon |
| 08:48.08 | Depherios | I hate that guys animation though, lol |
| 08:48.08 | kergoth | i should pick that up |
| 08:48.09 | Depherios | but really |
| 08:48.16 | Depherios | ... they made... a video game |
| 08:48.17 | Tekkub | my mother had a thing against MTV at the time |
| 08:48.27 | Depherios | ... who wants to play a video game where you die at the end? |
| 08:48.31 | Tekkub | I'm catching up on Beavis and Butthead now because of it |
| 08:48.43 | kergoth | heh heh heh |
| 08:48.50 | Tekkub | and Daria... god such a great show |
| 08:49.06 | Depherios | Beavis and Butthead... eh... so-so.. now DARIA |
| 08:49.09 | Depherios | that's a different matter XD |
| 08:49.25 | Tekkub | B&B is good stupid humor |
| 08:49.37 | Depherios | ehh |
| 08:49.46 | Depherios | I like beavis and butthead a lot more, before Adult Swim |
| 08:49.53 | kergoth | daria is good stuff. she's such a cynic |
| 08:49.57 | Kalroth | <(^o^)> |
| 08:49.58 | Cair | Daria is a riot |
| 08:50.01 | Tekkub | like South Park with less class and colorado-inside-jokes |
| 08:50.42 | Tekkub | I was like Daria in gym... heck the gym teachers liked me and let me get away with it.... |
| 08:50.44 | Depherios | When I want stupid humor, I want STUPID humor, XD give me Aqua Teen, or Space Ghost, lol |
| 08:50.53 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:50.57 | Depherios | I didn't even dress down |
| 08:51.04 | Depherios | failed gym once for that, none of the other times |
| 08:51.05 | Tekkub | I got sick o few days once, the weightlifting teacher let me sit out and read for two weeks |
| 08:51.14 | Kalroth | pfft, go read the paladin forums, now THAT'S stupid humor! |
| 08:51.16 | Depherios | I just walked the track |
| 08:51.26 | Kalroth | I doubt they intended it though :p |
| 08:51.26 | Tekkub | I also debated sex-ed shit with her, she was it's teach and very christian |
| 08:51.28 | Depherios | they had us run/walk a mile before class |
| 08:51.32 | Depherios | and we just never stopped walking XD |
| 08:52.13 | Tekkub | I gave her so much crap for putting "Define love" on her quiz and actually marking someone wrong on it |
| 08:52.21 | kergoth | .. |
| 08:52.24 | Depherios | ...WTF |
| 08:52.28 | Depherios | Define LOVE? |
| 08:52.32 | Tekkub | granted, the kid was a moron and didn't try to answer it, but still |
| 08:52.35 | Depherios | ROFL |
| 08:52.50 | kergoth | i could have some fun with that question on a quiz |
| 08:52.55 | Tekkub | she was great cause she actually debated stuff with me |
| 08:53.10 | Depherios | "Love is the condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own." Robert A. Heinlein |
| 08:53.24 | Tekkub | even tho she knew I refused to take the class because of her beliefs and how they effected the class |
| 08:53.43 | Depherios | I'm so glad I live where I do |
| 08:53.50 | Tekkub | I went to the local Comm. Collage to fulfil that req. |
| 08:54.19 | Tekkub | gah I can't spell... too soon after waking up |
| 08:54.56 | Depherios | My Sex-ed teachers were all fantastic people.. one was a lesbian, one was an ex druggie, who still lived with druggies, and the normal one tought us more than she probably should have at the time |
| 08:55.13 | Tekkub | lol |
| 08:55.23 | Depherios | The ex-druggie was great too |
| 08:55.28 | Depherios | because he hated teaching it |
| 08:55.35 | Depherios | he shaved his head |
| 08:55.49 | Depherios | and the whole time he was teaching us, he had to hold a towell in one hand to keep whiping off his head |
| 08:56.00 | Depherios | and we'd ask questions just to see how much we could make him sweat |
| 08:56.07 | Depherios | poor guy |
| 08:56.09 | Tekkub | I had a math teacher show us a clip from Duckman once to prove a point... and it had nothing to do with the class |
| 08:56.14 | Tekkub | it was... akward... |
| 08:56.16 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:56.26 | Tekkub | the I loved Duckman... not at school |
| 08:56.29 | Depherios | My whole school was bizarre |
| 08:56.42 | kergoth | yay duckman |
| 08:56.46 | Depherios | my science teacher was ex CIA |
| 08:56.56 | Depherios | and had the whole bible memorized even though he was athiest |
| 08:57.22 | Tekkub | my problem was it was a small mtn town, my grad class was 74... most the teaches knew and had TAUGHT my dad |
| 08:57.38 | Depherios | that's why I love living where I do |
| 08:57.44 | Tekkub | Hell my Alg2 teacher called me Karl for a year |
| 08:57.49 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:58.00 | Tekkub | I never replied when he did |
| 08:58.06 | Depherios | a few of my teachers tought a close friend of the family, but not my parents |
| 08:58.09 | Tekkub | he'd get pissed then figure out why |
| 08:58.46 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:58.47 | Tekkub | adn then my Precalc/calc teach found out and did it to me just cause she was an insane bitch |
| 08:59.05 | Tekkub | her class was always so fun |
| 08:59.31 | Tekkub | she rummaged thru a kid's backpack while he was in the bathromm once just for kicks |
| 08:59.51 | Depherios | lol, I had an english teacher like that |
| 08:59.55 | Depherios | but he was kinda psycho |
| 09:00.00 | Tekkub | aparently found porn cause she stopped abruptly and went back to teaching like nothing had happened |
| 09:00.08 | Depherios | he divided the whole class up into two sections |
| 09:00.26 | Depherios | our classrooms could be devided up into two smaller rooms |
| 09:00.35 | Depherios | he put up the divider, dropped all the good students on one side |
| 09:00.40 | Depherios | and then sat and watched the bad ones |
| 09:00.42 | Tekkub | oh ouch |
| 09:00.59 | Depherios | one day he got all pissed at a student for fucking with his binder's zipper |
| 09:01.01 | Tekkub | I had a teacher who hated everyone on one half of the room |
| 09:01.02 | Depherios | and chucked it out the window |
| 09:01.05 | Stylpe | kergoth: Thanks |
| 09:01.14 | kergoth | Stylpe: neat, huh? :) |
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| 09:01.28 | Tekkub | midyear she switched seating around... she went from liking me to hating me, just cause I was on the bad side |
| 09:01.41 | Depherios | I had a teacher who was blind in one eye |
| 09:01.46 | Depherios | and deaf on the opposite ear |
| 09:01.52 | Depherios | so if you set on one side of the room, he couldn't see you |
| 09:01.57 | Depherios | and on the other side, he couldn't hear you |
| 09:02.02 | Tekkub | lol |
| 09:02.06 | Depherios | I sat on his blind side |
| 09:02.11 | Tekkub | that's gotta be confusing as fuck |
| 09:02.12 | Depherios | I had to stomp my foot when I raised my hand |
| 09:02.19 | Depherios | or he'd never call me |
| 09:02.42 | Tekkub | he shoulda got a shock collar and gave you all remotes |
| 09:02.46 | Tekkub | no wait.. bad idea |
| 09:02.47 | Depherios | lol |
| 09:02.52 | Depherios | He was mean too |
| 09:02.57 | Depherios | looked like a shop teacher or something |
| 09:03.00 | Depherios | horrible car accident |
| 09:03.12 | Depherios | I think it damaged his disposition as well as his appearance |
| 09:03.19 | Tekkub | yar |
| 09:05.46 | Depherios | But yeah, I think the crazies have to do a lot with the location |
| 09:06.11 | Depherios | right smack dab in the middle of the county that randomly decided that banning gay marraige was against the county constitution and started handing them out |
| 09:06.37 | Tekkub | oh nice |
| 09:06.42 | Tekkub | I should move there |
| 09:06.48 | Depherios | yeah, that didn't last long *sigh* |
| 09:07.06 | Tekkub | meh, like I give a fuck about the gov't anyway, I got a ring that's all that matters |
| 09:07.22 | Depherios | yup |
| 09:07.31 | Tekkub | I don't expect equal rights to happen... well... ever... |
| 09:07.43 | Depherios | we tried here :P |
| 09:07.45 | Cair | you've got your *partner* ... fuck, the ring don't matter either |
| 09:07.46 | Depherios | *sigh* |
| 09:07.58 | Depherios | Cair, you've hit the nail on the head |
| 09:08.00 | Tekkub | nah the ring don't really matter anyway |
| 09:08.17 | Tekkub | not like I'm onea them bitches that wants a big ass rock |
| 09:08.20 | Kalroth | sell the ring and buy booze and women for the money! |
| 09:08.25 | Kalroth | oh wait, just booze I guess |
| 09:08.32 | Cair | ;) |
| 09:08.36 | Tekkub | I worked jewelry before, gems are more impresive than diamonds any day |
| 09:08.49 | Cair | know what my engagement ring is? |
| 09:08.53 | Depherios | I just plain hate jewelry worn for value |
| 09:09.11 | Tekkub | we got titanium rings, they're the height of nerdlyness |
| 09:09.24 | Cair | I don't have a stone, my engagement ring is a claddagh |
| 09:09.24 | Tekkub | and they're damn spiffy |
| 09:09.42 | Tekkub | lotsa people do claddah rings nowadays |
| 09:09.50 | Cair | they didn't 20 years ago |
| 09:09.51 | Kalroth | my woman don't need no fancy ring, she's got me! |
| 09:09.58 | Tekkub | I think I sold more of those that "real" engagement rings |
| 09:10.03 | Tekkub | except to the men |
| 09:10.20 | Tekkub | if the woman had a say it was a csaddagh |
| 09:10.40 | Tekkub | if he was surprizing her it was always "I don't know what to do sell me one" |
| 09:10.44 | Tekkub | *eyeroll* |
| 09:11.10 | Depherios | Me and my gf/fiancee hate rings, so we figured we'd skip that part |
| 09:11.29 | Cair | and he also knows to never bother wasting (yes, WASTING) the money on a diamond ... if he wants to buy me gems, go for garnet, emerald, amethyst |
| 09:11.34 | Tekkub | hell we coulda exchanged cockrings for all I care... but then there was his lil accident the first year we were together.... |
| 09:11.43 | Cair | ROFL |
| 09:12.06 | Cair | sapphires are nice too |
| 09:12.11 | Depherios | I'd be married by now, but we need a last name |
| 09:12.13 | Tekkub | sappires rock |
| 09:12.19 | Cair | and opals |
| 09:12.23 | AnduinLothar | blue diamond's where the styles at |
| 09:12.29 | Depherios | we both figured when we got married we'd take our spouse's name... |
| 09:12.35 | Tekkub | Cereluian (sp?) Sapphires are amazing |
| 09:12.38 | Depherios | (and yes, I'm male, but I hate my family) |
| 09:12.47 | Depherios | Sapphires are all amazing, compared to diamonds |
| 09:12.58 | Tekkub | and Sapphires, like a lot of gems, come in a wide range of colors ya know |
| 09:13.04 | Cair | I'm partial to garnets |
| 09:13.19 | Depherios | I'm not a fan of gems myself |
| 09:13.20 | Tekkub | :) I got a garnet in my class ring cause I hated mine |
| 09:13.21 | Cair | I've seen some *really* nice green garnets |
| 09:13.23 | Depherios | I prefer metals and stones |
| 09:13.30 | Tekkub | June has like 12 birthstones |
| 09:13.37 | Tekkub | all ugly on a guy :P |
| 09:13.47 | Depherios | heh, I'm april |
| 09:13.50 | Tekkub | cept Onyx, but I'm not one for onyx |
| 09:13.50 | Depherios | DIAMON |
| 09:13.51 | Depherios | D |
| 09:14.26 | Tekkub | http://www.titaniumrings.com/satoriA.html |
| 09:14.29 | Tekkub | that's my ring |
| 09:14.42 | Depherios | only jewelry I wear, or have ever worn, is my necklace, peice of hematite on a "pullcord" necklace |
| 09:14.50 | Tekkub | he got a slightly diff one, two bands, no concave to the gold |
| 09:14.58 | Kalroth | that's a girly ring! |
| 09:14.59 | Cair | nice Tekkub |
| 09:15.18 | Depherios | I wish I could wear rings XD |
| 09:15.30 | Tekkub | they have some kickass stuff there |
| 09:16.01 | Tekkub | they got 23.75KT gold + titanium that's as strong as 14KT gold |
| 09:16.07 | Tekkub | expensive as fuck too |
| 09:24.23 | AnduinLothar | mmm, only jewlery i occatioanlly wear is a cross necklace that my first gf and best friend picked out for me on a DC trip |
| 09:25.11 | Tekkub | I should wear my fetish bear more often |
| 09:25.22 | Tekkub | I don't go out much tho so meh |
| 09:25.37 | AnduinLothar | wow, I just clocked a reloadui at 2:57 |
| 09:25.46 | Tekkub | Warmup? |
| 09:26.06 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 09:26.26 | Tekkub | Go get my mod, Warmup |
| 09:26.30 | Tekkub | you'll like eeet |
| 09:26.35 | AnduinLothar | what's it do? |
| 09:26.49 | Tekkub | what you just did, but more accuratly |
| 09:26.50 | Tekkub | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1644#comments |
| 09:27.03 | Tekkub | clock every mod you got, and their mem use too |
| 09:27.16 | Tekkub | on load, and times zoning as well |
| 09:27.19 | AnduinLothar | mmm, i doubt it, seeing as i modified ReloadUi to count from reload click to onvarsloaded |
| 09:27.33 | Tekkub | don't doubt it :P |
| 09:27.44 | Cair | *grumbles at Tekkub about the *lack* of his mods on her site* |
| 09:27.56 | AnduinLothar | oh it prolly works nicely, i just doubt it's more accurate |
| 09:27.57 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ktron (n=chatzill@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 09:28.02 | Tekkub | it times reload, addon load, and player insertion to the world |
| 09:28.11 | Cair | hi Ktron |
| 09:28.15 | Tekkub | and spits out a total too, what you're timing there |
| 09:28.16 | Ktron | hey Cair |
| 09:28.24 | Tekkub | sorry Cair, I'm lazy and stuff... |
| 09:28.34 | Tekkub | I do like WoWI it's very nice |
| 09:28.37 | Depherios | Warmup = awesome |
| 09:28.37 | Cair | *pouts* |
| 09:28.42 | Tekkub | I just hate updating 4 sites.... |
| 09:28.50 | Tekkub | bribe me into moving over ^^ |
| 09:28.56 | AnduinLothar | i hate worldofwar with a passion.. |
| 09:29.17 | Cair | 4? where all are you hosting currently? |
| 09:29.17 | Tekkub | WoWI send out emails when a mod on your favs is updated? |
| 09:29.23 | Cair | yup |
| 09:29.26 | Depherios | oh wow, Tekkub, I'm running uh... 3 of your addons now XD |
| 09:29.28 | Cair | if you turn that option on |
| 09:29.31 | Tekkub | (sweets) you've hooked me |
| 09:29.37 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 09:29.45 | Tekkub | only one, I hate updating all over the place |
| 09:29.57 | Cair | symbol on the front page, option to receive email |
| 09:30.02 | Tekkub | and I liked ui. more that curse :P |
| 09:30.28 | Tekkub | now you're gonna hate me... |
| 09:30.36 | Tekkub | like I said, I'm lazy... linky? |
| 09:30.51 | Cair | http://www.wowinterface.com/index.php? |
| 09:30.54 | Ktron | wowi has probably the nicest interface, ui.worldofwar has probably the best database, and curse-gaming has the most selection but its nearly too slow to use, especially on patch days. |
| 09:31.11 | Tekkub | curse is soooooo slow |
| 09:31.15 | Tekkub | that's why I left |
| 09:31.34 | AnduinLothar | they updated the curse servers it hasn't been slow since the last patch |
| 09:31.37 | Tekkub | they upgraded srevers yet it was still slow as fuck |
| 09:31.38 | Depherios | I avoid curse like the plauge on patchdays |
| 09:31.39 | Cair | my "objection" to ui.wow and curse is a philosophical one |
| 09:32.09 | Tekkub | seems most either hate the ads or hate the people running site x |
| 09:32.23 | Depherios | ads don't bother me, adblock is my friend |
| 09:32.35 | AnduinLothar | ya i got adblock running too |
| 09:32.38 | Tekkub | which is ironic cause one could run an ad blocker if they hate them so... |
| 09:32.50 | krka | ui.worldofwar fakes download count, which kinda sucks |
| 09:32.56 | Tekkub | you shouldn't tell the site owner you block ads boys :P |
| 09:33.08 | Depherios | what? I only block annoying ones myself |
| 09:33.12 | Depherios | HUGE, or obtrusive |
| 09:33.16 | Depherios | and just about any flash ads |
| 09:33.23 | Cair | and even with saying that I "object" to some of their policies and practices ... I still "work" with and get along with all of them |
| 09:33.23 | AnduinLothar | i block um all |
| 09:33.26 | Depherios | when I notice them, I block them |
| 09:33.27 | Tekkub | yea flashies sucksores |
| 09:33.28 | Ktron | ui.worldofwar used to have a nasty one that played a picture-taking noise over and over |
| 09:33.31 | Cair | block, I don't care :p |
| 09:33.38 | krka | i block all ads except those with porn |
| 09:33.44 | Depherios | LOL |
| 09:33.50 | Tekkub | heh |
| 09:33.51 | Cair | then you must love ui.wow's |
| 09:33.55 | Depherios | lol |
| 09:34.04 | Cair | we're "busting" at the seams with women |
| 09:34.11 | Tekkub | I like not getting ads on ui. cause I'm a mod author |
| 09:34.12 | sarf|sleep | haha |
| 09:34.19 | Cair | hey hey sarf :) |
| 09:34.21 | sarf|sleep | Why shouldn't we tell people that we block ads? |
| 09:34.22 | Cair | good morning |
| 09:34.26 | sarf|stuff | Thanks :) |
| 09:34.40 | Cair | as I said, no skin off *my* nose |
| 09:34.44 | Cair | block all you want :) |
| 09:34.54 | Tekkub | "He's too big to wear briefs" <--- why don't I get ads targeted at me? |
| 09:35.03 | sarf|stuff | actually I block as much as Filterset.G wants... |
| 09:35.07 | Cair | LOL Tekkub |
| 09:35.21 | Depherios | because you need viagra right? |
| 09:35.25 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 09:35.34 | Tekkub | "He's got hair EVERYWHERE, click here to see!" |
| 09:35.35 | sarf|stuff | Or rather, V14GR4 |
| 09:35.39 | Depherios | ROFL |
| 09:35.43 | sarf|stuff | haha :) |
| 09:35.56 | sarf|stuff | Actually, you might get that at some places ;) |
| 09:36.10 | Tekkub | yea I do sometimes |
| 09:36.11 | krka | ROFL: http://qdb.us/52153 |
| 09:36.15 | Depherios | my most loathed ads, are flash minigames |
| 09:36.20 | Tekkub | the bear ads are horrible it's great |
| 09:36.32 | krka | i only click on ads when I win stuff |
| 09:36.35 | Depherios | ..... really... you KNOW if you click on that add, to spank the monkey or whatever... you're going to be directed to another page |
| 09:36.36 | krka | i rock at winning ads |
| 09:36.39 | Tekkub | "poke the money" my ass |
| 09:36.39 | Depherios | XD |
| 09:36.46 | Depherios | YOU WON NOTHING |
| 09:36.48 | Depherios | GOOD FOR YOU |
| 09:36.50 | Tekkub | "Kill the PSP and win it!" |
| 09:36.59 | sarf|stuff | haha nice one krka :) |
| 09:37.01 | Tekkub | I won a broken PSP! /hurray |
| 09:38.02 | Depherios | You just won the latest PSP immitation from Hong Kong! but only if you subscribe to our survice, and get lucky in a drawing, and have green eyes, and are missing a little toe on your left foot! |
| 09:38.05 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, wardrobe should have a titan plugin.. |
| 09:38.09 | sarf|stuff | SmashMyiPod.com |
| 09:38.48 | Depherios | bah, even in the middle of the ocean I get ganked... fantastic |
| 09:39.03 | krka | no, it's called drowning |
| 09:39.08 | Tekkub | you forgot "and we actually are lucky enough to have one one to give you as a prize" |
| 09:39.19 | Tekkub | *won |
| 09:39.49 | Tekkub | stupid enlish with their whateverthetermis words that are spelled diff but sound the same |
| 09:39.50 | Depherios | No, it's called mage, 10 levels higher than me, swimming out here as well, for goodness knows what reason (I don't have a good one) |
| 09:39.52 | sarf|stuff | Yay! Time to go down and cash out on the social safety net |
| 09:39.55 | sarf|stuff | haha |
| 09:40.41 | Depherios | I'm just doing my "hey, I wonder if there's anything out here?" swimming... which isn't near as fun when you're not a druid, let me tell you |
| 09:41.14 | Tekkub | yup |
| 09:41.15 | Depherios | I thought I was going to get away when I levitated, but they just kept blinking.. *sigh* |
| 09:41.24 | Tekkub | you could get addicted to swim speed potions |
| 09:41.33 | Tekkub | it's a dirty expensive addiction |
| 09:41.53 | Depherios | I'm already addicted to swiftness potions... but that's cheap, as I just go run around the barrens when I'm bored to gather the herbs |
| 09:42.06 | Tekkub | heh |
| 09:42.32 | Depherios | which is always fun, because there's barrens chat to keep me amused |
| 09:42.44 | sarf|stuff | Perhaps they should change the sound from "gulp" to "snoooort" when you use pots... |
| 09:42.54 | krka | I'm never in a rush, i can go make tea or a sandwich when walking |
| 09:42.55 | Tekkub | heh |
| 09:42.58 | Depherios | naw, just swiftness potions |
| 09:43.07 | Cair | LOL sarf! |
| 09:43.07 | Tekkub | I just did a line of swiftthistle! |
| 09:43.09 | Depherios | oh, I save my swiftness pots for PvP usually |
| 09:43.17 | sarf|stuff | ^^ |
| 09:43.26 | Depherios | but it's always funny, especially in WSG |
| 09:43.39 | Depherios | people don't think the priest is going to come charging at them |
| 09:43.45 | Tekkub | heh |
| 09:45.28 | Ktron | heh, I just got T.King's undead theme to work, its so nice to look at |
| 09:45.44 | sarf|stuff | BTW, check out the unofficial P-A patch notes for 1.9 : http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/11/28 |
| 09:46.14 | Depherios | ROFL |
| 09:46.43 | Cair | Ktron: *wait* until you see the next one! |
| 09:46.46 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 09:47.15 | Cair | as he has said, he isn't really happy with the undead one, he'll be going back to touch it up |
| 09:47.36 | Tekkub | woot! That's like "Fixed a bug that caused shamans to occationally die" |
| 09:47.41 | AnduinLothar | it needs some majical glowing eyes :) |
| 09:47.49 | Cair | but he was on a real time constraint with it ... the next one he's doing ... is more what we usually expect from him |
| 09:47.56 | Cair | he's had more time to work on it |
| 09:47.59 | Ktron | heh... It's still a nice change from the default UI |
| 09:48.01 | AnduinLothar | it looks too 'dead' and not enough 'undead' |
| 09:48.47 | sarf|stuff | OK, see you peoples in a bit. Time to brave the Swedish Bureaucracy. |
| 09:48.56 | Cair | later sarf :) |
| 09:48.59 | Cair | hahahhaha |
| 09:49.02 | Ktron | heh |
| 09:49.24 | Ktron | I wish I could, you know, draw |
| 09:50.12 | Cair | AnduinLothar: part of that is because he's doing the same "theme" for 3 distinct games each time, and on that one he was also playing up to "halloween" |
| 09:50.22 | Industrial | Takes practise Ktron. |
| 09:50.37 | Depherios | yeah, and once you start, don't stop |
| 09:50.39 | Cair | not excusing, just "explaining" |
| 09:50.40 | Tekkub | holy productivity batman" I'm nearly done Visoring all my frame adjustment! |
| 09:50.43 | Depherios | I got pretty good... then stopped, now I can't again |
| 09:50.48 | Industrial | Tekkub: \o/ |
| 09:50.49 | Cair | ~productivity |
| 09:50.50 | purl | yay! i mean.. boo. |
| 09:50.55 | Tekkub | and I got a ton, had a whole lil mod written to reposition crap |
| 09:50.57 | Cair | ~unproductivity |
| 09:50.58 | purl | yay! |
| 09:51.00 | AnduinLothar | :) you keep making excuses for him. I'm a coder. I know what it's liek to release stuff before it's perfect |
| 09:51.18 | Tekkub | that whole dual-mon aspect stretch was a PITA to correct |
| 09:51.21 | Industrial | Tekkub: please PLEASE tell me you back up the script not the savedvars to create the UI? |
| 09:51.33 | Tekkub | that's why I whine about it al slou so much >< |
| 09:51.55 | Tekkub | oh I'm writing it into a lil fuction to set VZ, yes |
| 09:52.02 | Tekkub | *fucktion |
| 09:52.07 | Industrial | phew, k |
| 09:52.09 | Industrial | :) |
| 09:52.09 | AnduinLothar | what are u doing with visor that's so complicated? |
| 09:52.28 | Tekkub | and no, not backup, it's written into a damn mod |
| 09:52.33 | Tekkub | :) |
| 09:52.48 | Tekkub | resizing basically everything in the UI |
| 09:52.52 | AnduinLothar | wow, that reload took 3:49... |
| 09:52.54 | Tekkub | cause it all distorts |
| 09:53.06 | Tekkub | go get Warmup goddamnit! |
| 09:53.08 | AnduinLothar | that's rediculous |
| 09:53.16 | Tekkub | I put like 4 hours of my life into that mod! |
| 09:53.25 | Depherios | lol |
| 09:53.27 | Depherios | I just got it |
| 09:53.30 | Depherios | I'm wondering though |
| 09:53.38 | Depherios | will StopTheSpam kill it's printout? |
| 09:53.38 | Tekkub | RTFM! |
| 09:53.46 | AnduinLothar | and it always crashes out after vars loaded when it tries to load all the million character textures on a slow internet |
| 09:53.49 | Tekkub | if he's updated it, no |
| 09:54.03 | Tekkub | I added a frame tho cause of STS |
| 09:54.06 | Industrial | Tekkub: http://pastebin.com/445954 |
| 09:54.07 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.14 | Industrial | Tekkub: my stuff now |
| 09:54.18 | AnduinLothar | i shouldn't rl in IF by the mailbox i spose |
| 09:54.25 | Tekkub | youwho? |
| 09:54.44 | Industrial | Tekkub: ? |
| 09:54.48 | AnduinLothar | whee disc |
| 09:54.56 | Tekkub | oro? |
| 09:55.03 | AnduinLothar | oreo? |
| 09:55.09 | AnduinLothar | i want a cookie |
| 09:55.10 | Industrial | whatever :| |
| 09:55.17 | Cair | ~cookie AnduinLothar |
| 09:55.20 | Tekkub | whatcha askin Indie? |
| 09:55.29 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 09:55.32 | Cair | *blink* |
| 09:55.42 | Industrial | Tekkub: http://pastebin.com/445954 thats my visor script now. the button bar matrix might help ye |
| 09:55.45 | Tekkub | purl broke! |
| 09:55.48 | AnduinLothar | ROFL |
| 09:55.51 | Cair | I think so! |
| 09:55.58 | Tekkub | oh, thanks but I doubt it will :) |
| 09:56.00 | Ktron | purl, are you broken? |
| 09:56.05 | Tekkub | I have a very odd layout |
| 09:56.12 | Tekkub | cause of my nostromo |
| 09:56.13 | Industrial | sceeney me :D |
| 09:56.14 | Cair | ~botsnack |
| 09:56.14 | purl | Cair: :) |
| 09:56.17 | AnduinLothar | ss tek? |
| 09:56.23 | Tekkub | and I already got my buttons laid out too |
| 09:56.27 | Industrial | k |
| 09:56.34 | Depherios | where is visor anyway? |
| 09:56.44 | Ktron | Tekkub: yeah, you're making my curious about what your layout looks like now |
| 09:56.45 | Industrial | wowace.com |
| 09:56.51 | Tekkub | sure one min |
| 09:56.55 | Industrial | yay |
| 09:57.53 | Tekkub | okey this is odd... I can't drop from EngInv onto my button bars suddly |
| 09:58.20 | Tekkub | wait.. I can some items and not others o.O |
| 09:58.28 | Industrial | o_O |
| 09:58.31 | Industrial | like? |
| 09:59.06 | Tekkub | like items I can use like water and pots yes... tradeskill items like copper bars, no... |
| 09:59.20 | Tekkub | or is that normal? I could do it in flexbap |
| 09:59.30 | Tekkub | was easy way to track ingreds |
| 09:59.46 | Kalroth | that's normal |
| 09:59.50 | Industrial | dno i never tried |
| 09:59.52 | Tekkub | ah okey |
| 10:00.03 | Tekkub | fexbar's special it seems, was used to that |
| 10:00.13 | Tekkub | meh, minor setback |
| 10:00.40 | Industrial | Cair: what time is it there? go to bed or something :P |
| 10:00.46 | Cair | 5am |
| 10:00.47 | Tekkub | good plase to post up photo? |
| 10:00.52 | Industrial | thought so |
| 10:00.57 | Industrial | imageshack.us |
| 10:01.00 | Industrial | == best |
| 10:01.03 | Cair | why? |
| 10:01.11 | Industrial | free and i got omages from 2 months ago still there |
| 10:01.14 | Industrial | images* |
| 10:01.18 | Tekkub | ah was trying .com that's why |
| 10:01.35 | Industrial | + no subscription/account |
| 10:01.36 | Cair | better place: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105 |
| 10:01.46 | Cair | :p |
| 10:01.49 | Industrial | :p |
| 10:01.51 | AnduinLothar | Apache 2.2.0's out |
| 10:02.06 | Industrial | 1.3 on openbsd wtf |
| 10:02.09 | Industrial | ftw* |
| 10:02.47 | Cair | Industrial: why do you want me to "go to bed or something" ? |
| 10:03.04 | Industrial | Cair: um cause its 5am? |
| 10:03.09 | Cair | yeah? so? |
| 10:03.12 | Industrial | on thursday? |
| 10:03.21 | Industrial | friday, actually |
| 10:03.22 | Industrial | :p |
| 10:03.30 | Cair | yeah? so? |
| 10:03.49 | Industrial | so um haven't you got .. obligations? like um.. work? |
| 10:03.53 | Industrial | :X |
| 10:03.59 | Cair | lemme 'splain ... no no, too long, lemme sum up |
| 10:04.03 | Tekkub | http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tekdesk9hr.jpg |
| 10:04.04 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:04.22 | Depherios | okay, how did you stretch wow? I tried and tried |
| 10:04.28 | Kalroth | resize the window? :P |
| 10:04.40 | Depherios | but that stretches the whole game |
| 10:04.47 | Depherios | even resizing the worldframe didn't fix it |
| 10:04.49 | Tekkub | set my vid card to make one big monitor across both it's ports |
| 10:04.51 | Depherios | everything was short and fat |
| 10:04.57 | Depherios | Yeah, I can do that as well |
| 10:05.01 | Depherios | maybe they fixed it |
| 10:05.02 | Tekkub | yea the aspect stretchs |
| 10:05.07 | Industrial | Tekkub: hmm bit small vertiaclly :O |
| 10:05.11 | Industrial | i have 1680x105 |
| 10:05.11 | Depherios | oh... okay... so everything is still short and fat XD |
| 10:05.14 | Industrial | 1050* |
| 10:05.21 | Depherios | I didn't like short and fat XD |
| 10:05.23 | Tekkub | you can correct the UI, but not the minimap and 3d world |
| 10:05.37 | Tekkub | 2048x768 ^^ |
| 10:05.41 | Industrial | ;O |
| 10:05.50 | Tekkub | click to view full size noob |
| 10:06.03 | Industrial | lol i know |
| 10:06.09 | Tekkub | well 3072x768 total |
| 10:06.12 | Industrial | link the full screen image noob |
| 10:06.13 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:06.17 | Depherios | I just run a seperate computer for WoW |
| 10:06.18 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:06.22 | Depherios | and two monitors on the other |
| 10:06.22 | Tekkub | wow/ultraedit on the left two |
| 10:06.29 | Tekkub | everything else on the right |
| 10:06.34 | Kalroth | ultraedit ftw! |
| 10:06.42 | Ktron | I do one monitor with WoW and one for everything else |
| 10:06.57 | Tekkub | I'm thinking of remoting into our fileserver and use it for web/chat |
| 10:07.03 | Industrial | Kalroth: www.vim.org |
| 10:07.12 | Kalroth | Industrial: ick! |
| 10:07.13 | Ktron | heh, I'm a notepad++ person |
| 10:07.15 | Tekkub | web pulls a lot of mem and causes a ton of pagefaults switching |
| 10:07.21 | Ktron | Tekkub: what browser is that? |
| 10:07.29 | Tekkub | Maxthon |
| 10:07.36 | krka | what irc client? |
| 10:07.37 | Tekkub | I don't like Firefox |
| 10:07.42 | Tekkub | Trillian |
| 10:07.46 | AnduinLothar | Camino ftw |
| 10:08.02 | Kolth | Camino rules. |
| 10:08.12 | Tekkub | oro? |
| 10:08.18 | Cair | 3 am est = midnight pst, west coast players are only just logging out and checking forums, updating mods, etc, so I need to still be awake in case there is anything I need to deal with. Even allowing for a single hour to deal with anything, that makes it 4 am. At 6 am est, daughter gets up to get ready for school. The point of going to bed for 2 hrs before having to get up again is ... what? 7:15 am est, daug |
| 10:08.36 | Kalroth | lol |
| 10:08.38 | Cair | I know that doesn't work for all the .eu, but for the *majority* of users, it works |
| 10:08.59 | Depherios | heh, I just work evenings |
| 10:09.09 | Industrial | its 11:08 here atm. "First i space out for about an hour" (make that 2) |
| 10:09.12 | AnduinLothar | http://www.caminobrowser.org/ |
| 10:09.15 | Depherios | so I sleep during the day, because getting up and going to work = better when I haven't been up all day |
| 10:09.37 | Depherios | I hate that default mac look |
| 10:09.48 | Tekkub | mac *snicker* |
| 10:09.51 | AnduinLothar | so change it |
| 10:09.52 | Cair | I've *tried* to maintain an est schedule, and I just can't, it leaves me too short of sleep ... so, I"ve just accepted the fact and basically set my schedule to "working" the swing-shift |
| 10:09.53 | Depherios | noise+motion blur =lame |
| 10:10.27 | AnduinLothar | Then get ShapeShifter and mod it up |
| 10:10.47 | Kalroth | It's for MacOS! >< |
| 10:10.49 | Ktron | I love the look of the old Orbit skin for Mozilla, which luckily made it over to Firefox, and I use FF and Mozilla (for some web stuff) |
| 10:10.54 | Ktron | and ChatZilla for IRC |
| 10:11.15 | Depherios | I talk to more people on IRC as though it were an IM |
| 10:11.18 | Kalroth | Ktron: 1.5? |
| 10:11.19 | Depherios | which is why I like trillian for it |
| 10:11.28 | Kalroth | I had to revert to Noia 2.0 because I couldn't fine Orbit |
| 10:11.31 | Depherios | I'm on one IRC server, not even in a channel |
| 10:11.37 | Tem | I just cleaned up my appartment |
| 10:11.38 | Depherios | I talk to a few friends on it, like it was an instant messenger XD |
| 10:11.48 | Ktron | Kalroth: used 1.5 for about... 3 or 4 days, then downgraded back because I missed Orbit and I missed some of my extensions |
| 10:12.09 | Kalroth | I got all the extensions I need in 1.5 (very few though) but I miss the theme :p |
| 10:12.17 | Ktron | Kalroth: mostly, Favicon Picker |
| 10:12.44 | Ktron | Kalroth: yeah, people aren't doing a good job about getting new versions of the themes out |
| 10:13.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kergoth (n=kergoth@c-24-118-219-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 10:13.30 | Ktron | Woah, Mozilla changed its site on me! |
| 10:13.32 | AnduinLothar | wow. i love how the camino installation instructions are pictographs made out of icons when you open the DiskImage folder |
| 10:13.44 | Depherios | lol, that's an old mac trick |
| 10:13.47 | Depherios | I rememer Marathon doing it |
| 10:13.53 | AnduinLothar | the icons i know |
| 10:13.54 | Tekkub | Marathon FTW! |
| 10:14.05 | Depherios | I used to be a big mac guy |
| 10:14.05 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:14.06 | AnduinLothar | i've just never seen the pictographs used for install |
| 10:14.08 | Tekkub | I want them to link Halo into mara already |
| 10:14.19 | Tekkub | it's sooo fucking obvious it's the same universe |
| 10:14.22 | AnduinLothar | i've seen install instructions as text on icons |
| 10:14.24 | Depherios | ugh, Halo sucked, after marathon I was expecting it to be so good |
| 10:14.26 | Industrial | mac, need to get one o doze some time.. when i have money.. never... |
| 10:14.45 | Tekkub | Halo is just so enigmatic that's why I'm intereted |
| 10:14.48 | Depherios | I just want ONE FROGBLAST THE VENT CORE |
| 10:14.55 | Tekkub | I don't actually play, I suck at games |
| 10:15.13 | Tekkub | hell I bearly play WoW I code more than play |
| 10:15.26 | Kalroth | slacker! |
| 10:15.27 | Kalroth | oh wait |
| 10:15.31 | Tekkub | cause I cant seem to find a latenight duo parter *glares at everyone* |
| 10:15.34 | Kalroth | you code more than you play >< |
| 10:16.15 | Depherios | ... wait... I felt bad... I just ALMOST didn't lose to a 41 lock |
| 10:16.26 | Depherios | (I'm 35) |
| 10:16.28 | Depherios | and a priest... |
| 10:16.35 | Tekkub | yes, I code more :P |
| 10:16.42 | Tekkub | solo play is soooooo boring |
| 10:16.52 | Depherios | What server you play Tekkub? |
| 10:16.58 | Depherios | I never play at night either |
| 10:17.00 | AnduinLothar | yay, they fixed the camino menu bug |
| 10:17.02 | Depherios | I play with my GF during the day XD |
| 10:17.07 | Tekkub | Icecrown with the huby |
| 10:17.14 | Tekkub | Eonar with a friend |
| 10:17.32 | Tekkub | Illidan and Stormsacale with my old "good" guild that imploded |
| 10:17.44 | Tekkub | no more cause they're all scattered now and I hate PvP |
| 10:17.51 | Tekkub | I was there to chat with em mainly |
| 10:17.55 | Industrial | i like pvp |
| 10:18.02 | Depherios | ... did they fix the fear bug in 1.9? cause... yeah, I'm getting tired of that |
| 10:18.07 | Tekkub | I like BG, I hate PvP server rules |
| 10:18.11 | Depherios | Heh, I like sporadic PvP |
| 10:18.18 | Industrial | lots of pvp in Anarchy Online and Dark Age of Camelot |
| 10:18.19 | Kalroth | Depherios: don't bet on it, fear bug has been around for ever |
| 10:18.21 | Depherios | I like BG |
| 10:18.23 | Kalroth | forever, rather |
| 10:18.37 | Depherios | isn't it getting worse though? |
| 10:18.37 | Tekkub | I prefer that other people leave me the fuck alone usually, IRL and in-game |
| 10:18.40 | Industrial | BG in Dark Age of Camelot ruled |
| 10:18.41 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:18.47 | Depherios | when I first started, people would leap around... a little |
| 10:18.59 | Depherios | ... now it seems like every fight, I hit 'em with fear, and they stand there and then SHOOT OFF |
| 10:19.07 | Depherios | and if I don't have a mind flay on 'em I'm screwed |
| 10:19.17 | Kalroth | Ktron: http://pxclassic.net/ |
| 10:19.28 | Tem | What the hell is this? |
| 10:19.35 | Tem | A discussion about THE GAME? |
| 10:19.37 | Tem | I'm confused |
| 10:19.39 | Depherios | ROFL |
| 10:19.42 | Cair | oh noes! |
| 10:19.50 | Kalroth | Tem: what game? |
| 10:19.52 | Kalroth | :P |
| 10:19.54 | Tem | oh right |
| 10:20.05 | Depherios | quick feign ignorance |
| 10:20.05 | *** topic/#WoWI-lounge by Cair -> WoWI-Lounge. MOG! No talking about the game! Oh noes! |
| 10:20.20 | Tem | I resist your feign! |
| 10:20.21 | Ktron | Kalroth: awesome |
| 10:20.23 | Kalroth | First rule about the game is that you don't talk about the game! |
| 10:20.33 | Cair | LOL Kalroth |
| 10:20.34 | Tem | ~lart Kalroth |
| 10:20.41 | Ktron | Kalroth: maybe I'll look into switching up to 1.5 again if they have a version of Favicon Picker out |
| 10:20.41 | Cair | hey, Tem? |
| 10:20.46 | Tekkub | a large nuke? |
| 10:20.47 | Tem | yeah, Cair? |
| 10:20.51 | Depherios | .... wow |
| 10:20.51 | Cair | how do you get purl to give someone a cookie? |
| 10:20.53 | Depherios | how... large |
| 10:20.57 | Tekkub | large microwave woulda been funnior |
| 10:21.00 | Tekkub | stupid bot |
| 10:21.00 | Ktron | I'm out, I'm also EST and 5:23 is plenty late enough for me for the night |
| 10:21.07 | Depherios | large microwave, lol |
| 10:21.07 | Cair | night Ktron :) |
| 10:21.08 | Ktron | purl, good night |
| 10:21.10 | purl | good night, sleep tight, dont let the bed bugs bite... Love you lots, and take care of yourself... |
| 10:21.17 | kergoth | .. |
| 10:21.36 | Cair | oh, kergoth is here ... ker, how do you get purl to give someone a cookie? |
| 10:21.47 | Tem | Cair, I don't know |
| 10:21.50 | Tekkub | ~oreo |
| 10:21.51 | Tekkub | ? |
| 10:21.54 | Tem | the cookie command is a random factoid |
| 10:21.56 | Depherios | try guessing |
| 10:22.04 | Kolth | ~what'sinthemiddle |
| 10:22.06 | Tekkub | ~chipahoy |
| 10:22.08 | kergoth | Cair: hehe, its simpler than you think.. |
| 10:22.08 | AnduinLothar | heh.. i broke the curse-gaming coments table formatting with my ChatScroll macro.. |
| 10:22.12 | kergoth | you give someone a cookie by doing: |
| 10:22.13 | Cair | well, I tried earlier, and it was ... broken |
| 10:22.13 | Tem | purl give me a cookie |
| 10:22.14 | purl | ACTION gives tem a home-baked sugar cookie to cheer him up. |
| 10:22.16 | kergoth | ~give cair a cookie |
| 10:22.17 | purl | ACTION gives cair a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up. |
| 10:22.18 | kergoth | yeah |
| 10:22.22 | Cair | ahhhhhhh |
| 10:22.35 | Cair | ~cookie AnduinLothar |
| 10:22.37 | Tekkub | heh, both curse and ui. have issues with pasted code |
| 10:22.38 | Cair | didn't work :p |
| 10:22.43 | Cair | see? |
| 10:22.47 | Tekkub | I bet WoWI doesn't..... |
| 10:22.48 | Cair | it's kinda .. broken |
| 10:22.50 | kergoth | "cookie" returns a random factoid |
| 10:22.52 | kergoth | ~cookie |
| 10:22.56 | Tekkub | *waits for Cain to rush off and fix it* |
| 10:22.59 | Cair | ahhhh |
| 10:23.04 | kergoth | ~forget CMD: cookie (.*?) |
| 10:23.04 | purl | kergoth: i didn't have anything called 'cmd: cookie (.*?)' to forget |
| 10:23.07 | kergoth | good |
| 10:23.26 | Tekkub | I'm just kidding Cair,' I havn't tested to see if it does or not ^^ |
| 10:23.37 | Cair | whahuh? |
| 10:23.47 | Tekkub | nothing, forget it :P |
| 10:24.04 | Kalroth | ~cookie |
| 10:24.13 | Kalroth | thanks purl |
| 10:24.24 | kergoth | ~cookie |
| 10:24.47 | kergoth | i dont think i want to know |
| 10:24.49 | Cair | [code] paste shit here [/code] |
| 10:24.57 | Tem | what a strange bunch of knowledge this thing has picked up |
| 10:25.03 | Tekkub | arg I need to go clean house in prep for weekend of husband making a big fucking mess |
| 10:25.05 | Tem | oh CRAP! |
| 10:25.09 | kergoth | ~factinfo cooking up mrbump |
| 10:25.09 | purl | cooking up mrbump -- has not been requested yet. |
| 10:25.16 | Tekkub | I wish he wouldn't cook he's so messy.... |
| 10:25.18 | AnduinLothar | *zzz* |
| 10:25.25 | Cair | night AnduinLothar |
| 10:25.29 | Tekkub | but then, I burn water so it's the only option |
| 10:25.30 | Tem | I can't find my wall plug for my ipod |
| 10:25.34 | Tem | and I need to flash it |
| 10:25.37 | Kalroth | Tekkub: force him to order takeout :) |
| 10:25.44 | Tekkub | Tem: drop your pants |
| 10:25.52 | Tekkub | we do that a lot |
| 10:25.54 | Tem | .... |
| 10:26.01 | Tekkub | but it's hard to get dinner at 8AM |
| 10:26.01 | Tem | ~fix tekkub |
| 10:26.03 | purl | ACTION takes tekkub to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 10:26.41 | Cair | Tekkub: [code] paste shit here [/code] ... *confused about what's so hard about that* |
| 10:26.58 | Cair | and /or why any site would have a problem with it |
| 10:27.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MoonWolf (i=MoonWolf@ip51ccaa81.speed.planet.nl) |
| 10:27.04 | Tekkub | nothin Cair, ui. and cusre don't do spliffy shit like that |
| 10:27.07 | Cair | hey MoonWolf |
| 10:27.13 | MoonWolf | hey everybody |
| 10:27.14 | Cair | they don't? o.O |
| 10:27.15 | Tekkub | ui. fucks with quotes |
| 10:27.25 | Tekkub | well I think they just fixed it |
| 10:27.26 | Cair | O.o |
| 10:27.30 | Tekkub | both remove tabs |
| 10:27.39 | Cair | weird |
| 10:27.50 | Cair | if you put the code tags around, it should keep the tabs |
| 10:27.52 | Tekkub | yea it sucks, but now that I know of pastebin :) |
| 10:28.19 | Cair | then again, we support the community, as opposed to hosting mods |
| 10:28.26 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 10:28.32 | Tem | Cair: your site is the only one that supports code blocks |
| 10:28.36 | Tem | but they are ugly |
| 10:28.36 | krka | so, anyone know if followunit can be done without keypress? |
| 10:28.57 | Tekkub | you writing hitchhiker krka? |
| 10:29.00 | Tekkub | and yes one sec |
| 10:29.07 | Cair | Tem, make suggestions to Dolby in the suggestion forum on how to improve the code block |
| 10:29.20 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.21 | krka | not writing... yet |
| 10:29.39 | Tekkub | should work with "target" I would think |
| 10:29.53 | Tem | Cair: I assume they are the way they are deliberatly |
| 10:30.04 | Tem | it's really just my personal preference |
| 10:30.06 | Cair | Check with Dolby, I'm really not sure |
| 10:30.18 | Tekkub | something I've always wanted.... |
| 10:30.33 | Tekkub | since code blocks are usually long, collapse them by default |
| 10:30.39 | Tekkub | like spoiler tags do |
| 10:31.04 | Kalroth | aka what visual studio editor does? |
| 10:31.04 | Tekkub | this is a general forum suggest, not WoWI specific |
| 10:31.18 | Tekkub | yea |
| 10:31.30 | Tekkub | I wish Ultraedit did it like VisStudio |
| 10:31.34 | krka | you keep using that word "aka", i don't think you know what it means |
| 10:31.46 | Tekkub | I mean you can hide stuff but it's sorta halfassed |
| 10:31.53 | kergoth | use vim :) |
| 10:32.00 | Tekkub | Zim? |
| 10:32.08 | krka | vim is for the dim, I always say |
| 10:32.13 | Industrial | o_O |
| 10:32.15 | Industrial | vim ftw |
| 10:32.29 | Tekkub | is Vim related to Vi, aka Six |
| 10:32.34 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 10:32.35 | krka | i bet vim doesn't even have tetris |
| 10:32.37 | krka | emacs r00lz |
| 10:32.38 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 10:32.39 | kergoth | Industrial: have you tried vim's syntax based folding on lua files? works well |
| 10:32.39 | Tem | I hate vim |
| 10:32.42 | Tekkub | I hated six |
| 10:32.43 | Industrial | you just didnt explore vim, multiple modes etc |
| 10:32.46 | Kalroth | emacs sucks too! |
| 10:32.52 | Industrial | kergoth: yes, pythons are also nice |
| 10:33.21 | Cair | okay, confirmed if you use the [code] tags, it'll keep your tabs, sorta ... and even if you don't want to use the tags, you can use the [increase indent] in the message formatting bar, for either a quote or straight pure text |
| 10:33.53 | Tekkub | tha tabsn will copy/paste out Cair? |
| 10:33.53 | Cair | but if you use a quote or straight text, it'll take pre-formated tabs out |
| 10:34.04 | Cair | using code tags, yes |
| 10:34.08 | Tekkub | that's my bitch, fixing indent when I paste it into my code |
| 10:34.10 | Cair | [code] |
| 10:34.14 | Tekkub | (sweets) |
| 10:34.21 | Tekkub | (Thank you) |
| 10:34.48 | Cair | now, it doesn't indent a lot ... like, a single tab will only move it in by 1 space, 2 tabs = 2 spaces, but it is still noticable |
| 10:34.48 | Tekkub | (Galka) (rod) (pentathrust) (burst) (inside) (fun) (hole) (Can I have it?) |
| 10:35.06 | krka | .. |
| 10:35.07 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/mediawiki/index.php/Code/Lua/Foo8 |
| 10:35.09 | krka | wtf? |
| 10:35.17 | Tekkub | not a FFXI plaer I see ^^ |
| 10:35.22 | Tekkub | *player |
| 10:35.39 | krka | i just saw something about rods, thrusting and fun holes O_o |
| 10:35.44 | kergoth | bored |
| 10:35.47 | kergoth | why am i awake? |
| 10:35.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Stylpe (n=Stylpe@98.84-48-162.nextgentel.com) |
| 10:35.54 | krka | because it's almust time for lunch? |
| 10:35.57 | Industrial | morning Stylpe |
| 10:35.59 | kergoth | and now i have the they might be giants song, "Am I awake?" stuck in my head |
| 10:35.59 | Tekkub | can't sleep clowns will eat you? |
| 10:36.02 | kergoth | damn good song at least |
| 10:36.14 | Cair | no! clowns == evil! |
| 10:36.14 | Kalroth | "It" was a cool movie! |
| 10:36.20 | Tekkub | Barenaked ladies - Who Needs Sleep |
| 10:36.25 | Industrial | all clowns must die |
| 10:36.31 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.06 | Tekkub | if you like ambient music to sleep to... FollowUnit("party1"); |
| 10:37.09 | Tekkub | gah |
| 10:37.12 | Tekkub | fucking copy |
| 10:37.19 | Tekkub | http://www.ambient-nights.org/ |
| 10:37.21 | Tekkub | there |
| 10:37.54 | krka | is that link a challenge kergoth`zzz ? |
| 10:38.09 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.19 | Tekkub | I go do my crap too... bbiaf |
| 10:38.35 | krka | without recursion... how silly, you'd just have to use a stack instead |
| 10:38.57 | kergoth`zzz | i coded the function that isnt supplied there as an exercise in lua's generic for / iterators. found it a useful exercise |
| 10:40.00 | krka | why no recursion? |
| 10:40.13 | kergoth`zzz | ever try traversing the wow global environment and all subtables? |
| 10:40.16 | kergoth`zzz | stack go boom |
| 10:40.17 | kergoth`zzz | :) |
| 10:40.51 | krka | hmm it doeS? |
| 10:40.54 | kergoth`zzz | stylpe is doing a traverser as an exercise as well, but i found the iteration piece interesting |
| 10:40.55 | Tek|dishes | hey question |
| 10:40.56 | krka | it can't be that deep |
| 10:41.00 | kergoth`zzz | krka: it is. |
| 10:41.11 | Tek|dishes | is there a func that'll tell you a variable size in memory? |
| 10:41.19 | krka | no |
| 10:41.23 | Tek|dishes | bah! |
| 10:41.26 | kergoth`zzz | krka: tested, confirmed. and if you spend too much time in each piece of the traversal, you'll dc from the server |
| 10:41.38 | kergoth`zzz | krka: due to spending too much time without returning control to the client's mainloop |
| 10:41.40 | kergoth`zzz | :) |
| 10:41.41 | kergoth`zzz | fun stuff |
| 10:41.55 | kergoth`zzz | Tek|dishes: no, though you can do a pretty accurate estimation |
| 10:42.02 | krka | hm |
| 10:42.20 | krka | so you're saying that the recursive variant is faster? |
| 10:42.26 | krka | (_much_ faster) |
| 10:42.30 | Tek|dishes | I want to maintain memory use info on a per-addon basis... |
| 10:42.45 | Tek|dishes | for those of us that use the "one global" means at least |
| 10:42.48 | kergoth`zzz | Tek|dishes: i have a wow addon buried in my hard drive somewhere that does that |
| 10:42.54 | krka | estimating size of functions should be tricky |
| 10:42.55 | kergoth`zzz | Tek|dishes: estimates, but its close |
| 10:43.03 | kergoth`zzz | you cant really estimate the size of functions, it depends |
| 10:43.03 | Tek|dishes | close is good enough |
| 10:43.10 | kergoth`zzz | so its only useful for _data_ |
| 10:43.14 | kergoth`zzz | not code |
| 10:43.14 | Tek|dishes | yea |
| 10:43.22 | krka | strings are tricky too |
| 10:43.24 | Tek|dishes | well most mem use is data anyway |
| 10:43.24 | kergoth`zzz | Tek|dishes: i'll find what i've got and you can run with it if you like |
| 10:43.26 | krka | checking for duplicates and stuff |
| 10:43.29 | kergoth`zzz | Tek|dishes: i never got around to finishing it up |
| 10:43.43 | krka | functions ARE data in lua |
| 10:43.45 | Tek|dishes | tekkub@gmail.com ^^ |
| 10:43.58 | Tek|dishes | yea krka we know :P |
| 10:44.01 | kergoth`zzz | yes, we know |
| 10:44.06 | Depherios | YES for people with single Screenies |
| 10:44.17 | Depherios | or wait... Singe screenies FTW |
| 10:44.29 | Tek|dishes | talking like tracking use by stuff like KC_Items and such |
| 10:45.01 | Tek|dishes | functions are unimportant they don't really change after load |
| 10:45.07 | kergoth`zzz | Tek|dishes: i had it dumping a sorted list of the worst offenders in the global namespace, using my traversal code and size estimation. thats what you're looking to do, right? |
| 10:45.09 | Tek|dishes | Warmup'll get that size info |
| 10:45.19 | kergoth`zzz | yeah, thatll do it even more accurately |
| 10:45.22 | Tek|dishes | it's the big database stuff I'm curious about |
| 10:45.51 | Tek|dishes | stuff that changes a bunch AFTER load |
| 10:46.00 | Tek|dishes | *coughauctioneercough* |
| 10:46.13 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:47.01 | kergoth`zzz | Tek|dishes: send an email to kergoth@gmail.com reminding me to send you that code, otherwise i'll forget :P |
| 10:47.16 | Tek|dishes | righto |
| 10:47.20 | Depherios | Bah, if I try to mana drain a target with no mana one more time... I'm just logging off WoW right now |
| 10:47.40 | Tek|dishes | macro a test onto that |
| 10:47.42 | Depherios | err nMana Burn |
| 10:48.23 | Tek|dishes | if (UnitPowerType("player") == 0) then cast... |
| 10:48.31 | Tek|dishes | er, "target" |
| 10:48.59 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:49.01 | Depherios | don't need to |
| 10:49.10 | Depherios | all I get is a warning... or does it activate global? *tests* |
| 10:49.41 | kergoth`zzz | okay i lied. Tek|dishes: you know, it wouldnt be hard to temporarily hook the global namespace to monitor what globals are created during startup... add that to warmup and store the info, then use that when you do your size estimation, so itd work for addons that have more than one global as well. then compare the initial estimation with the warmup numbers from startup to have an estimated code size (xml/functions)... |
| 10:49.42 | Depherios | my mental delay after doing it and going "huh?" is long enough, I would never notice a global |
| 10:50.13 | Depherios | Nope, fail doesn't activate global |
| 10:50.14 | kergoth`zzz | mm, spiffy wow data/addon inspection tools |
| 10:50.14 | Tek|dishes | kewl ker |
| 10:50.29 | Tek|dishes | Warmup's about to get more complex methinks :) |
| 10:50.37 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:50.54 | Kalroth | who inspects the inspection tools though?! |
| 10:51.10 | Tek|dishes | quiet yous! |
| 10:51.14 | Kalroth | :( |
| 10:51.15 | Depherios | Warmup Warmup? call it !!!Warmup |
| 10:51.21 | Tek|dishes | actually, I'll make it an ace mod... |
| 10:51.32 | Kalroth | Inspector Gadget! |
| 10:51.40 | Tek|dishes | Warmup will pull the values out, let the other mod use em |
| 10:51.58 | Tek|dishes | hrm...maybe... I dunno |
| 10:52.06 | Tek|dishes | we'll see when we get there :P |
| 10:52.18 | kergoth`zzz | thatd work well. but dont have the other mod access its data directly, use a defined api, function calls |
| 10:52.40 | Tek|dishes | yea |
| 10:53.42 | Depherios | Gah, too many of my fights end with me saying outloud to myself "and wait for shadow word: pain to kill him" -- that's going to cause me greif at some future time, I know it |
| 10:56.59 | Cair | okay, time for me to make like a vampire and go crawl in before the sun rises |
| 10:57.08 | Cair | night night |
| 11:00.06 | krka | sleep is for the weak |
| 11:01.39 | Depherios | well crap.. I was going to go to bed when I dinged, but it's only 3 am... curse me for actually PLAYING wow tonight |
| 11:03.38 | Industrial | lol |
| 11:04.05 | sarf|donquixote | Wheeeeeeeeeee! |
| 11:07.41 | Industrial | (mon/fri (school/work 08:00 18:00) (food/family 18:00 19:00) (wow 19:00 20:00) (homework 20:00 21:00) (learning for driving exam 21:00 22:00) (more wow + programming 22:00 00:00)) |
| 11:07.50 | Industrial | i really need to learn scheme some time lol :P |
| 11:09.07 | Depherios | my schedule goes like this |
| 11:09.09 | Depherios | uh... |
| 11:09.12 | Depherios | wake up |
| 11:09.20 | Depherios | meet girlfriend, work, or whatever |
| 11:09.23 | Depherios | when not doing that |
| 11:09.26 | Depherios | play wow |
| 11:09.47 | Industrial | thats my mon/fri shedule |
| 11:10.12 | Depherios | I have nothing even resembling a schedule, lol |
| 11:10.18 | Industrial | actually friday eveing until 5/6 am saturday morning is wow time |
| 11:10.20 | Depherios | I don't even sleep the same times |
| 11:10.53 | Depherios | some nights I'd go to bed about now, other nights I'd be in bed at 9pm, other nights I won't be in bed until 8am |
| 11:11.06 | Industrial | saturday i clean out my room (with a shovel), gu buy stuff i need, eat garbage food, might even watch a movie, go to friends |
| 11:11.09 | Industrial | more wow1 |
| 11:11.22 | Industrial | :) |
| 11:11.54 | Industrial | But i the weekends ou want to be productive |
| 11:12.01 | Industrial | and you say so outloud |
| 11:12.07 | Industrial | and then its sunday afternoon |
| 11:12.08 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:12.18 | Industrial | (and you've done nothing) |
| 11:12.21 | Depherios | OOH YAY I LEARNED SHADOWGAURD RANK 3 |
| 11:12.43 | Industrial | *shrug* |
| 11:12.47 | Industrial | what class? whats it do? |
| 11:12.50 | Depherios | now it does 153 damage (in all) *sigh* |
| 11:12.57 | Depherios | Priest Troll Racial spell |
| 11:13.03 | Depherios | it's the pally's lightening shield... but shitty |
| 11:13.08 | Depherios | err shammies |
| 11:13.31 | Depherios | rank three, is 3 charges, each doing 51 shadow damage |
| 11:13.41 | Depherios | ... I'm level 36 |
| 11:13.59 | Depherios | I can sneeze more damage than that... and that's not even mana efficient damage |
| 11:14.48 | Depherios | then again, it's still better than smite |
| 11:15.07 | Depherios | for mana efficiency, so I guess it's not TERRIBLE |
| 11:15.44 | Depherios | Mostly it's just useful to get alliance to think I'm a shammy and not a weak cloth wearer |
| 11:21.15 | sarf|happy | hehe |
| 11:21.36 | sarf|happy | try getting a two hand staff that looks like a hammer and get some of those quest healing ward thingies |
| 11:21.48 | sarf|happy | Alliance will turn around and self-destruct ^^ |
| 11:21.55 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:22.11 | Depherios | you'd be surprised |
| 11:22.13 | sarf|happy | However, Gah'zrillas Fang works well for looking like a shaman |
| 11:22.16 | sarf|happy | But it's a dagger :) |
| 11:22.23 | Depherios | I've seen rogues try to gank my GF over me (I'm priest, she's druid) |
| 11:22.45 | sarf|happy | That's because they don't use MouseTargeting and my auto-charge addon |
| 11:22.54 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:22.59 | Depherios | Tipbuddy is my friend |
| 11:23.04 | sarf|happy | mouse-over all enemies, select the thinnest, charge / Intercept and laugh |
| 11:23.12 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:23.16 | Depherios | awesome |
| 11:23.26 | sarf|happy | Actually, still working on the auto-charge thingie |
| 11:23.29 | Depherios | D |
| 11:23.30 | Depherios | XD |
| 11:23.31 | sarf|happy | but can do that on right/left click |
| 11:23.32 | sarf|happy | so |
| 11:23.38 | Depherios | it's good ide though, run with it XD |
| 11:23.43 | sarf|happy | Oh yeah |
| 11:23.48 | sarf|happy | MouseTargeting is already operating |
| 11:23.59 | sarf|happy | (currently only on my SVN and somewhere on my addon space) |
| 11:24.03 | sarf|happy | But it should work |
| 11:24.04 | Depherios | level 30-39 BGs are pretty idiotic |
| 11:24.09 | Depherios | so usually I have to take out the healer |
| 11:24.16 | Depherios | while they all attack hunter pets and tanks |
| 11:24.26 | sarf|happy | Hehe |
| 11:24.29 | Depherios | *sigh* |
| 11:24.39 | Depherios | Need to make a WSG alt |
| 11:24.42 | sarf|happy | I usually charge the one with the flag and hamstring and die |
| 11:25.00 | Depherios | booyeah! rallying cry of the dragonslayer AND warchief's blessing XD |
| 11:25.03 | sarf|happy | ^^ |
| 11:25.12 | sarf|happy | Go forth and smite some mob/player behind! |
| 11:25.22 | sarf|happy | (not necessarily with the Smite spell) |
| 11:25.26 | Depherios | ROFL |
| 11:25.30 | Depherios | OMG |
| 11:25.47 | sarf|happy | Yes? |
| 11:26.02 | Depherios | lol at one guy: "Lightening struck me twice in the same place!" |
| 11:26.22 | sarf|happy | haha |
| 11:26.35 | sarf|happy | Time for... WoW! |
| 11:26.36 | Depherios | I was going to goof |
| 11:26.42 | Depherios | but I want to keep that double buff for tomorrow XD |
| 11:26.52 | sarf|happyWoW | Good thinking :) |
| 11:27.38 | Depherios | gah, I'm so terrible, I need to pee, but I don't want to go when this song is playing... it's good |
| 11:28.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Trilian (n=Miranda@dyndsl-085-016-012-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 11:33.55 | sarf|happyWoW | haha |
| 11:51.39 | Kalroth | Depherios: grow a bigger blatter! |
| 11:52.00 | Depherios | oh, it's huge |
| 11:52.19 | Depherios | I down 2 liters of Mt Dew, and don't have to whiz |
| 11:52.45 | Depherios | but when I do have to, hooboy |
| 11:52.48 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:53.36 | Kalroth | Chromaluma! |
| 11:53.55 | Kalroth | oops, mt, was for another channel :) |
| 11:56.50 | Tem | wow |
| 11:57.03 | Tem | "Its kinda hard to figure it out. How do you know what key binding under the key binding menu goes to what little box on the screen." |
| 11:57.11 | Tem | I don't think I can help this person |
| 11:57.17 | Kalroth | lol |
| 11:57.25 | Depherios | ....lol |
| 11:57.46 | Tem | I can only assume they mean which keybinding corresponds to which action button |
| 11:57.50 | Tem | ... but |
| 11:57.55 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:58.14 | Depherios | what addon is it for? or is it for the default UI? |
| 11:58.48 | Tem | I don't think this person could get an addon installed |
| 11:58.52 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:58.54 | Tem | so I'm going to go with default ui |
| 11:59.08 | Depherios | yeah, I was assuming so... but wow |
| 11:59.11 | Depherios | just...wow |
| 12:00.45 | Depherios | I hate it when I do that..... scroll up in a chat window in wow, leave the computer, come back, and read the conversation as it progresses, to reply, find that I'm at the TOP of the chatlog not the bottom... and nobody has any idea wtf I'm talking about |
| 12:01.07 | Tem | hehe |
| 12:01.13 | Tem | I do the same thing sometimes |
| 12:01.38 | Depherios | it's moving! I have to be at the bottom! *BUZZ* wrong answer! |
| 12:01.48 | Kalroth | make an addon that scrolls the window to bottom when you enter the input field |
| 12:02.12 | Depherios | that'd be bad for me, since I often scroll up to take note of what was said/returned before |
| 12:02.17 | Tem | me too |
| 12:02.37 | Kalroth | well then there's no way around it ;) |
| 12:02.40 | Depherios | nope |
| 12:02.44 | Depherios | still sucks though XD |
| 12:02.44 | Tem | for most users that blinking arrow indicating that you aren't at the bottom is enough |
| 12:02.53 | Depherios | my arrow is gone XD |
| 12:02.58 | Tem | but I hid it because I though it looked silly |
| 12:03.15 | Depherios | and I spent way too much time last night, moving that chat button (the voice bubble one) to titan panel |
| 12:03.23 | Kalroth | make an AI addon that compares the text you write to the current conversation going on in chat |
| 12:03.24 | Tekkub | I have a lil keybind to scroll all windows to the bottom |
| 12:03.29 | Tekkub | it helps ^^ |
| 12:03.32 | Depherios | ditto |
| 12:03.33 | Depherios | it's END |
| 12:03.40 | Kalroth | that way it'll report an error if you type a bad sentence! |
| 12:03.49 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:03.51 | Tekkub | no, it scrolls all of em in one keystroke |
| 12:04.00 | Depherios | I only have the one |
| 12:04.18 | Depherios | I'm used to following lots of convos in one window, from huge chatrooms |
| 12:04.28 | Depherios | wow color coding it just makes it too easy |
| 12:04.49 | Tekkub | I like seperating mine by "topic" |
| 12:05.01 | Tekkub | Shit I care about: guild party raid officer in one |
| 12:05.11 | Tekkub | trade another |
| 12:05.17 | Tekkub | LFG/Def in anothe |
| 12:05.23 | Depherios | I have uh... the everything window |
| 12:05.31 | Depherios | I even have a lot of my combat messages in there, lol |
| 12:05.38 | Tekkub | say/system/loot in the default |
| 12:05.49 | Tekkub | yell turned off... |
| 12:05.54 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:06.06 | Depherios | I leave it turned on only because sometimes the funniest stuff is there |
| 12:06.16 | Depherios | like that guy getting struck by lightening twice in teh same place XD |
| 12:06.19 | Depherios | that was a yell |
| 12:06.47 | Tekkub | if I didn't spend the amount of time in town that I do I'd leave it on |
| 12:06.52 | Depherios | Is yell calculated by yards or subzone? |
| 12:06.57 | Tekkub | but in town yells are 95% noise |
| 12:07.12 | Depherios | I never have found anything that says which, I know it's not zone |
| 12:07.19 | Tekkub | no clue def, I'd bet subzone |
| 12:07.27 | Depherios | but does it hit the whole subzone? or just a yard radius? |
| 12:07.31 | Depherios | yeah... I figured subzone |
| 12:07.33 | Tekkub | would heav eto test on a zoneline |
| 12:07.43 | Depherios | I should log onto my GFs account, and go into the barrens and test |
| 12:08.21 | Depherios | lol, zoneline is an even better idea |
| 12:08.53 | Depherios | I was just going to see how far apart they could get and still talk, then use that defunct yards mod (since it only works on party members) to find out how many yards away they were |
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| 12:09.12 | Depherios | that is, if the farthest apart couldn't be heard |
| 12:09.13 | shouryuu | rrawr |
| 12:09.29 | Depherios | but starting CLOSEST is a much better idea XD |
| 12:09.55 | Depherios | ... grr I spend way too much time sitting around trying to decide what professions to give my characters |
| 12:10.22 | Depherios | I've been standing in Magar's Cloth Goods for like... 20 minutes trying to decide if I should make this Mage a tailor |
| 12:10.35 | Tekkub | heh |
| 12:10.40 | shouryuu | engineering FTW |
| 12:10.42 | Tekkub | level? |
| 12:10.45 | Depherios | Tailoring is dissapointing until endgame |
| 12:10.49 | Depherios | 9 |
| 12:10.50 | Depherios | atm |
| 12:10.53 | Tekkub | gather |
| 12:10.56 | shouryuu | yeah |
| 12:10.59 | shouryuu | just herb/mine |
| 12:11.00 | Tekkub | I always go gathering to 40 |
| 12:11.03 | Depherios | yeah.. |
| 12:11.07 | Tem | so um.. |
| 12:11.08 | Tekkub | then pick a trade if I want one |
| 12:11.12 | shouryuu | same LO |
| 12:11.13 | Depherios | I do that pretty often |
| 12:11.15 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:11.18 | Depherios | most my chars are herb mine |
| 12:11.19 | Tem | does wow /not/ have a cd-key? |
| 12:11.21 | Tekkub | trades are just a moneysink early on |
| 12:11.35 | Depherios | one of my few ACTUAL IN GAME macros |
| 12:11.54 | Depherios | is a button that swaps between mining tracking and herbalism tracking |
| 12:11.54 | Tekkub | not? |
| 12:12.00 | Tekkub | the installer no |
| 12:12.05 | Tekkub | to make an acct yes |
| 12:12.05 | Tem | oh good |
| 12:12.11 | Tem | I couldn't find one |
| 12:12.11 | Depherios | WoW has the account key, not the CD key |
| 12:12.30 | Tekkub | FFXI was the same way |
| 12:12.32 | Depherios | online games eliminate the need for CD keys |
| 12:12.44 | Depherios | since you have to have an account |
| 12:12.47 | Tekkub | what's the point in securing a disk when you have to auth to play |
| 12:12.53 | Tem | I'm doing a bit of cleaning in my appt and I'm moving most of my games into a binder |
| 12:12.53 | Depherios | yeah |
| 12:13.04 | Depherios | lol, yeah, all my games are that way |
| 12:13.04 | Tekkub | hell you can pull a basic ISO of the FFXI discs |
| 12:13.07 | Depherios | but I keep the boxes |
| 12:13.09 | Depherios | anyway |
| 12:13.25 | Tekkub | I bet you could with WoW too |
| 12:13.34 | Tem | yeah, I still keep the boxes |
| 12:13.39 | Tem | but wow doesn't have a box |
| 12:13.45 | Depherios | it doesn't? O_o |
| 12:13.48 | Depherios | mine did |
| 12:13.50 | Tekkub | I have a box ^^ |
| 12:13.53 | Tekkub | two, |
| 12:13.56 | Depherios | ... I have all my card boxes as well |
| 12:13.58 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:13.58 | Tekkub | one whorde one ally |
| 12:14.03 | Depherios | ouch |
| 12:14.11 | Depherios | I haven't gotten that bad yet |
| 12:14.28 | Tekkub | I had to, since we were getting two accts and one was "limited printrun at retail" |
| 12:14.40 | Depherios | most PvP servers I'm on, I can steal my GFs account for an ally char if I wanted to |
| 12:14.57 | Depherios | all but the ones we play together on |
| 12:15.06 | Tekkub | no Dep I don't two-box, hubby plays too |
| 12:15.13 | Depherios | ahh |
| 12:15.27 | Depherios | dunno where the GFs box is O_o |
| 12:15.31 | Tekkub | twoboxing is like solo doredom doubled |
| 12:15.31 | Depherios | I thought it was here |
| 12:15.36 | Depherios | I have her timecard boxes too, lol |
| 12:15.57 | Depherios | lol, I was thinking of the people who have two accounts JUST to have ally and horde chars on the same PvP server |
| 12:16.16 | Depherios | not people who dual play... WoW is too hard to dual play |
| 12:16.16 | Tekkub | wow... got 6 frames left to aceify |
| 12:16.22 | Tekkub | er, Visorate |
| 12:16.25 | Depherios | since you can't set up addons to make that easier really |
| 12:16.34 | Depherios | without violating the ToS |
| 12:16.50 | Depherios | although I thought of the most evil way to pull data from WoW |
| 12:16.51 | Tekkub | well Def I don't do PvP soo I'm not constrained like that |
| 12:17.12 | Tekkub | I see no NEED to dualplay |
| 12:17.29 | Depherios | have a program capable of reading COLOR on a screen... and reacting with button presses O_o |
| 12:17.38 | krka | I have made one of those :) |
| 12:17.38 | Tekkub | does said joke involve inflation? |
| 12:17.41 | krka | with AutoIT |
| 12:17.47 | Depherios | I could just drop a box on screen, and change it's color to different RGB values to send commands outward |
| 12:17.49 | krka | was pretty easy to do |
| 12:17.59 | krka | that's how I did it |
| 12:17.59 | Depherios | lol, yeah, AutoHotKey is just autoit but with more |
| 12:18.00 | Tekkub | cause I'm getting an inflatable toy for xmas... and it's not what you're thinking ^^ |
| 12:18.18 | shouryuu | lol |
| 12:18.23 | Depherios | autohotkey is my friend |
| 12:18.28 | Depherios | I couldn't play wow without it, lol |
| 12:18.38 | Depherios | since my controls are uh... HIGHLY unorthodox |
| 12:18.52 | Tekkub | it's sad I had to do illegal modding with FFXI |
| 12:19.05 | krka | i tried to make AutoTravel work by reading colors to choose whether to press left, right or up (or a combination of them) |
| 12:19.09 | Tekkub | also sad I felt I needed to fish to have the money to play |
| 12:19.14 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:19.14 | krka | didn't work too well, due to a computer with low FPS |
| 12:20.02 | Tekkub | trying to "read" the arrow on the minimap? |
| 12:20.55 | Depherios | http://home.comcast.net/~deph/wow/ergodexwow.jpg <-- |
| 12:20.57 | shouryuu | could you try to read the map? |
| 12:21.07 | Depherios | you could, but it'd be a pain |
| 12:21.16 | shouryuu | really? |
| 12:21.18 | Depherios | you only have RGB values, you can pull their location on a portion of the screen |
| 12:21.19 | Tekkub | haha I'll never buy one of those |
| 12:21.23 | Tekkub | 2 flaws |
| 12:21.27 | Tekkub | 1) I'm poor |
| 12:21.29 | Tekkub | 2) cats |
| 12:21.35 | Depherios | lol as they eat off the keys |
| 12:21.41 | Depherios | but yeah |
| 12:21.42 | Kalroth | 3) I might mistake the keys for a licorice |
| 12:21.44 | Depherios | the same keys I use for move |
| 12:21.44 | Tekkub | oh I'd lose a key a day |
| 12:21.50 | Depherios | naw |
| 12:21.54 | Depherios | they stick REALLY GOOD on the board |
| 12:22.01 | Depherios | you have to twist pretty hard to get them off |
| 12:22.05 | Tekkub | my cats are REALLY PERSISTANT |
| 12:22.08 | Depherios | XD |
| 12:22.16 | Depherios | I meant you won't lose them yourself |
| 12:22.29 | Tekkub | besides I got my nostromo and it does more than I need |
| 12:22.31 | Depherios | but yeah... I use the same keys for movement, and action buttons |
| 12:22.55 | Depherios | so those 12 buttons are move, bags, map, all that, then when a thumb key is pressed, they're different sets of action buttons |
| 12:23.16 | Depherios | but stupid ergodex can't bind up/down events to keys (not many joystick/hotkey programs can) |
| 12:23.25 | Depherios | unless they're SINGLE keys |
| 12:23.26 | Depherios | *sigh* |
| 12:23.42 | Depherios | so, I had to use autohotkey to turn a keypress, into a control+keypress with up down events |
| 12:24.07 | Depherios | so that when I press the shift key to make the keys function, I'm pressing control, so my default keys change function *pants* |
| 12:24.52 | Depherios | and yeah... been using that control system since my first week of WoW, lol |
| 12:25.42 | Depherios | flexbar, and I'm goofing with DAB now, just for kicks, (the new beta) and because it's pretty, but it's slow, so I'll either go back to Flexbar, or make something for myself... dunno yet |
| 12:26.18 | shouryuu | what exactly is that thing deph? |
| 12:26.33 | Depherios | http://www.ergodex.com/ |
| 12:26.36 | Depherios | expensive |
| 12:26.39 | Depherios | that's what |
| 12:26.41 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:26.53 | shouryuu | wow |
| 12:27.06 | Tekkub | what I use... half the price |
| 12:27.07 | Tekkub | http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=2071&pcount=&Product_Id=157024 |
| 12:27.19 | Depherios | yeah, I have the older version of that as well |
| 12:27.27 | Depherios | but my hands aren't shaped for either nostromo |
| 12:27.35 | Depherios | they start to get to me after awhile |
| 12:27.37 | Tekkub | I had the old one in FFXI |
| 12:27.46 | Tekkub | you tried adjusting the rest? |
| 12:27.49 | Depherios | the new one is MUCH nicer, I'd have it if I didn't have the ergodex |
| 12:28.03 | Depherios | yeah |
| 12:28.12 | Tekkub | both of em were too small in my hand out of the box |
| 12:28.16 | Depherios | I have a keyboard pad below ergodex, soft and nice, lol |
| 12:28.33 | Depherios | actually my nostromo I've CUT UP the original rest, so it'll slide back further |
| 12:28.42 | Depherios | and it's ductaped on |
| 12:28.47 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 12:29.06 | Tekkub | I cut off that "flar" on the back with a dremel on my ol 50 |
| 12:29.13 | Tekkub | flap even |
| 12:29.18 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:29.40 | Depherios | I'm an input device junkie |
| 12:29.45 | Depherios | I keep getting them *sigh* |
| 12:29.55 | Depherios | I saw the ergodex and I owned it shortly thereafter, heh |
| 12:30.02 | Tekkub | heh |
| 12:30.45 | Tekkub | I'm taking out Titan CritLine, I never really care about those stats |
| 12:30.56 | Tekkub | and it's one of my big loadtime mods |
| 12:31.15 | Depherios | at one point, I had three joysticks, a steering wheel, ergodex, nostromo, strategic commander (which I LOVE, but doesn't work with service pack two *cries* and why I got the ergodex, THUMB SHIFT STATES = WIN) three keyboards, a 10key, 2 mice, and my gyro mouse... all hooked to my computer at once |
| 12:31.41 | Depherios | my desk looked like the cockpit of some space fighter |
| 12:31.45 | Depherios | OH and can't forget wacom |
| 12:31.52 | Tekkub | :P |
| 12:32.03 | Tekkub | I once saw a "cockpit" shaped desk |
| 12:32.08 | Depherios | I loved the strategic commander so much |
| 12:32.10 | Depherios | I have a SPARE |
| 12:32.15 | Tekkub | once I had money for a desk I couldn't find it |
| 12:32.15 | Depherios | and they had to go and stop supporting it |
| 12:32.19 | Depherios | and then BREAK it |
| 12:32.28 | Depherios | with service pack 2 on XP :P |
| 12:32.32 | Depherios | I miss it so |
| 12:32.48 | Depherios | biggest reason I don't play RTS games anymore XD no Strategic Commander! |
| 12:33.02 | Depherios | I could do it with ergodex though.... I *guess* |
| 12:34.26 | Depherios | ... wish wow wasn't so mouse oriented so I could use gyro mouse |
| 12:35.29 | krka | does strategic commander work in linux then? |
| 12:35.35 | Tekkub | yea, I liked my left-only setup in FFXI |
| 12:35.39 | Depherios | lol, I'm willing to bet no |
| 12:35.46 | Tekkub | but I'm okey with the mous here :) |
| 12:36.10 | Depherios | oh I control wow like an FPS, with mouselook... no default turn keys, have to hold down a pinkie switch for them XD |
| 12:36.26 | Depherios | (actually I have strafe and jump thumb keys on my mouse) |
| 12:36.48 | Depherios | since when I press the shift keys on left side, my WASD-ish setup doesn't work anymore |
| 12:37.42 | Depherios | bah... these stupid netlights only last one year |
| 12:37.45 | Depherios | they just burned out |
| 12:37.53 | Depherios | I got them last year, just before christmas |
| 12:38.13 | Depherios | *sigh* now I need to buy NEW netlights good thing they last a year though, lol |
| 12:38.29 | Depherios | (they're my only desktop lightsource, now I need a flashlight) |
| 12:40.15 | Tekkub | what noobs |
| 12:40.28 | Tekkub | they set off the alarm at the new store every morning |
| 12:40.40 | Tekkub | they're late by 40min today too |
| 12:40.57 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:43.09 | Tekkub | okey... Timex makes timer bars right? |
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| 12:43.20 | Tekkub | MirrorFrames or whatever blizz calls em |
| 12:44.50 | Tekkub | yea, timex[Bar} |
| 12:44.59 | Tekkub | so I found a reason to install/use |
| 12:45.06 | Tekkub | and it's oh so pathetic |
| 12:45.23 | Depherios | O_O |
| 12:45.25 | Depherios | ? |
| 12:45.39 | Tekkub | I hate changing the countdowns on my FFXI clock for laundry/cooking/dishes etc.... |
| 12:45.49 | Tekkub | so I'm gonna use in-game as a timer |
| 12:46.04 | Tekkub | with timex :P |
| 12:46.43 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:52.09 | RasmusKL | hehe |
| 12:52.14 | RasmusKL | just use TimexBars yeah. |
| 12:52.16 | RasmusKL | it's pretty easy. |
| 12:52.27 | RasmusKL | but there's a new version being released one of the next days. |
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| 13:54.43 | shouryuu | ok Lain is seriously fucked up |
| 13:55.35 | Tekkub | yup |
| 13:55.39 | Tekkub | ain't it great |
| 13:55.49 | MoonWolf | Lain ? |
| 13:56.41 | Kalroth | some anime |
| 13:58.53 | shouryuu | loving it |
| 13:59.00 | shouryuu | I feel... accelerated |
| 14:00.22 | MoonWolf | sure you do. |
| 14:02.23 | shouryuu | lol |
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| 14:11.50 | Flisher_Coding | Hello there :) |
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| 14:12.23 | Flisher_Coding | anyone good with draging/SetUserPlaced stuff? |
| 14:16.29 | shouryuu | Humm I'm no expert coder but maybe I give you hand... |
| 14:16.39 | shouryuu | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 14:19.08 | Flisher_Coding | CharactersViewer display the bunch of bag with a relative position to each other, |
| 14:19.21 | Flisher_Coding | bag 5 relative to 4 relative to 3 to 2 to 1... |
| 14:19.43 | Flisher_Coding | soo when moving bag 1, all bag move, unless someone "broke" the chain of anchoring by doing manual positionnement. |
| 14:20.08 | Flisher_Coding | The game save the location of the manually moved bag in the cache and add a IsUserPlaced that return true |
| 14:20.44 | Flisher_Coding | However, the bag that aren't moved manually, therefore still relative to their previous, keep the relative position, but from the "size" of the FrameXML |
| 14:21.11 | Flisher_Coding | ie: bag default size is 256x256, but your 16 slot is bigger... bag 1 is saved lest 'say at 500x500 coordinate |
| 14:21.20 | shouryuu | ok I can't help you there :P |
| 14:21.36 | Flisher_Coding | bag 2, when "live", is relative to the bottom of this one, let';s say 300 hheight, soo 800x500 coordinate |
| 14:22.02 | Flisher_Coding | however, the game don't save 800x500, it save relative to 500x500, and determine the anchoring from the pre-defined size in the xml |
| 14:22.07 | Flisher_Coding | I'm trying to find a workaround |
| 14:22.16 | Flisher_Coding | I'll probably stop the relativity of bag |
| 14:22.30 | shouryuu | lol I really can't help you there |
| 14:22.45 | shouryuu | If you can't find a workaround your best bet is to come back latter |
| 14:22.59 | shouryuu | when the real codders hang around here :P |
| 14:23.15 | krka | latter... codders... do you suffer from multitap disorder? |
| 14:23.29 | shouryuu | haha |
| 14:23.32 | shouryuu | ssmmaarrttaassss |
| 14:23.37 | Kalroth | whatt doo youu meean?? |
| 14:23.38 | krka | yeaah |
| 14:23.47 | shouryuu | ggoo ttoo hheellll |
| 14:23.54 | shouryuu | bbuullllyy |
| 14:24.05 | Kalroth | soory |
| 14:24.16 | shouryuu | llooll |
| 14:26.05 | shouryuu | anyone here seen perfect blue? |
| 14:27.04 | Kalroth | sinew? sure |
| 14:27.09 | Kalroth | :P |
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| 14:30.46 | shouryuu | sinew? |
| 14:30.49 | shouryuu | sinew... |
| 14:30.50 | shouryuu | hummm |
| 14:31.18 | Flisher_Coding | Hum, anyone know how to place frame B relative to A, but not anchored to? |
| 14:31.35 | Flisher_Coding | besside anchoring it and doing a :SetUserPlaced(true) ? |
| 14:31.45 | Flisher_Coding | the xml documentation is quite lacking |
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| 14:32.37 | Flisher_Coding | MentalPower: can you help on this one? |
| 14:32.37 | Flisher_Coding | <Flisher_Coding> Hum, anyone know how to place frame B relative to A, but not anchored to? |
| 14:32.37 | Flisher_Coding | <Flisher_Coding> besside anchoring it and doing a :SetUserPlaced(true) ? |
| 14:32.37 | Flisher_Coding | <Flisher_Coding> the xml documentation is quite lacking |
| 14:33.22 | MentalPower | xml and I don't get along too well sorry |
| 14:33.27 | shouryuu | lol |
| 14:33.35 | Flisher_Coding | hum, found this on the wiki: LayoutFrame:ClearAllPoints() |
| 14:33.37 | Flisher_Coding | will try it |
| 14:34.14 | shouryuu | yeah I think you need to ClearAllPoints before anchoring |
| 14:34.16 | shouryuu | not sure |
| 14:34.23 | Flisher_Coding | after i guess |
| 14:34.46 | Flisher_Coding | LayoutFrame:SetPoint("point"[,"relativeFrame"][,"relativePoint"][,xOfs,yOfs]) |
| 14:35.01 | Flisher_Coding | soo setpoint, then clearallpoint, the frame isn't anchored anymore, but stay at is location |
| 14:35.29 | shouryuu | yeah most probably |
| 14:35.38 | shouryuu | makes sens to me but I ain't an XML pro |
| 14:36.14 | Flisher_Coding | hum, first try make no bag appear at all... I really loev blizz :-P |
| 14:37.18 | Flisher_Coding | I really hate xml stuff, with all passion I can put in there |
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| 14:50.56 | Tain | I believe you want to ClearAllPoints first actually. |
| 14:51.30 | Tain | That removes all attachments. Then set the new points. |
| 14:52.36 | Tain | But I am not 100% certain, I don't do any manual frame moves anymore. |
| 14:56.34 | Flisher_Coding | ok, clearallpoint definetly do weird thing, soo i use a userplaced() and won't feel bad about using a few byte on people computer |
| 14:57.23 | Flisher_Coding | well, setpoint will readd attachement, wich I must not have due to the dynamic size of my bag |
| 14:57.28 | Flisher_Coding | anyway, i got my workaround |
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| 15:23.42 | info\aw | hello, anyone here? |
| 15:23.48 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 15:24.04 | info\aw | hah. you good with the statrings addon? |
| 15:24.10 | info\aw | or the modified version by nurfed? |
| 15:24.23 | shouryuu | hummmmm |
| 15:24.29 | shouryuu | depends what you mean by good? |
| 15:24.52 | info\aw | well, I want to remove the model that comes up if you target yourself or others. |
| 15:25.21 | shouryuu | what add-ons are in nurfed? |
| 15:25.33 | shouryuu | there might be one called TargetModel or soemthing like that |
| 15:26.18 | info\aw | it's the addon iriel (sp?) made a while ago |
| 15:26.28 | shouryuu | stat rings? |
| 15:26.32 | info\aw | yes |
| 15:26.35 | shouryuu | yeah that's iriel's |
| 15:26.59 | shouryuu | you want to remove the 3d model that appears when you target someone? |
| 15:27.05 | info\aw | yeah would be great |
| 15:27.23 | shouryuu | you only have nurfed and stat rings? |
| 15:27.42 | info\aw | I only have stat rings, but I downloaded it from the nurfed site |
| 15:28.07 | info\aw | it's not the nurfed addon, only the stat rings. maybe it's modified? well it looks very nice and I like it. only want to remove the models |
| 15:28.11 | Codayus | Mmm, I think the nurfed hud has a 3d model yes. |
| 15:28.16 | shouryuu | yeah it must be modified |
| 15:28.28 | shouryuu | no I jsut checked there isn't an add-on that should show 3d models |
| 15:28.31 | Codayus | I'm not sure how close a relation the nurfed mod has to iriel's mod - but iriel's does NOT have it. |
| 15:28.38 | shouryuu | unless it's in their NurfedUI add-on |
| 15:28.53 | shouryuu | could I have a link to the nurf site? |
| 15:29.02 | info\aw | yeah sure hold on |
| 15:29.08 | Codayus | http://www.nurfed.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5356&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
| 15:29.20 | info\aw | http://www.nurfedui.net/addons.php |
| 15:29.26 | info\aw | it's the one called nurfed HUD |
| 15:29.29 | Codayus | There you go, that's a thread with pics and links to the nurfed hud. |
| 15:29.59 | Codayus | And yeah, from info\aw's link - "based on". :-) |
| 15:30.56 | info\aw | it looks very nice but the 3d model kinda got in the way |
| 15:31.08 | shouryuu | I'll take a look at it gimme a sec |
| 15:32.26 | info\aw | oooh thank you |
| 15:32.58 | shouryuu | ok back up your saved variables |
| 15:33.07 | shouryuu | and your interface folder |
| 15:33.09 | shouryuu | once that is done |
| 15:33.32 | shouryuu | remove line 17-22 from nurfed_hud.lua |
| 15:33.38 | shouryuu | if (UnitIsPlayer("target")) then |
| 15:33.39 | shouryuu | Nurfed_PlayerModelFrame:Show(); |
| 15:33.39 | shouryuu | Nurfed_PlayerModelFrame:SetUnit("target"); |
| 15:33.39 | shouryuu | else |
| 15:33.39 | shouryuu | Nurfed_PlayerModelFrame:Hide(); |
| 15:33.39 | shouryuu | end |
| 15:33.42 | shouryuu | exactly those |
| 15:33.44 | shouryuu | nothing more |
| 15:33.46 | shouryuu | nothing less |
| 15:33.49 | shouryuu | MIGHT work |
| 15:35.58 | info\aw | hmm can't find it |
| 15:36.18 | info\aw | line 17 is: <AbsDimension x="13" y="13"/> |
| 15:37.03 | Codayus | That looks like a .xml file |
| 15:37.10 | Codayus | Not .lua. :-) |
| 15:37.17 | shouryuu | hehe |
| 15:37.18 | info\aw | maybe it is :) I am very dumb at these things |
| 15:37.26 | shouryuu | :P |
| 15:38.36 | info\aw | ok found it. I'll fire up wow and check it out |
| 15:38.44 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 15:52.07 | shouryuu | I'm taking it it worked |
| 15:52.15 | shouryuu | since there is no answer saying it didn't :P |
| 15:52.23 | Codayus | Well, either that or it took out his computer... |
| 15:52.34 | Codayus | Well, I guess he'd have gone offline if so. |
| 15:52.42 | shouryuu | lol |
| 15:52.48 | Codayus | So yeah, we'll go with the "worked" option. |
| 15:52.55 | Codayus | Or...the abducted by aliens option. |
| 15:53.01 | Kaelten | hows it going guys |
| 15:53.06 | Codayus | That fits the available evidence too. |
| 15:54.44 | info\aw | so sorry, pizza delivery the second I fired up wow |
| 15:54.49 | info\aw | but it worked :) |
| 15:54.51 | info\aw | thank you very much! |
| 15:54.51 | Codayus | lol |
| 15:55.09 | Codayus | I almost guessed that he might have been called away to dinner. |
| 15:55.16 | shouryuu | :P |
| 15:55.20 | Codayus | But no. So close...but...no. |
| 15:55.30 | Codayus | Unless the pizza was delivered by aliens? |
| 15:55.31 | info\aw | just some angry pizza guy wanting to see my visa card :( |
| 15:55.40 | Codayus | That would sort of redeem my theory... |
| 15:55.46 | shouryuu | lol |
| 15:57.25 | info\aw | so anyone uses flexbar here? I tried |
| 15:57.33 | info\aw | but I don't havea MIT education so I gave up |
| 15:57.38 | shouryuu | lolo |
| 15:57.40 | Codayus | I recommend DAB. |
| 15:57.49 | shouryuu | just read the docs they are really nice |
| 15:57.52 | info\aw | yeah that's what I use now |
| 15:57.58 | shouryuu | well explained |
| 15:58.07 | MoonWolf | me too, unless you like to figure out visor, in that case get working on that MIT again |
| 15:58.18 | shouryuu | really if you take 30mins-1h to read the docs you're fine |
| 16:00.54 | info\aw | I'm really new with UI stuff. been playing with the basic wow setup |
| 16:01.29 | info\aw | anything you guys recommend? |
| 16:01.48 | MoonWolf | I recommend anything you think you need. |
| 16:02.03 | MoonWolf | fucking around is the best away to learn anything. |
| 16:02.39 | krka | flexbar is very badly coded imo :/ |
| 16:02.55 | shouryuu | I can't give you my opinion on that |
| 16:03.03 | shouryuu | but I think it's a kick ass add-on |
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| 16:07.47 | elema | hello guys |
| 16:08.20 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 16:08.21 | MoonWolf | hello |
| 16:08.33 | MentalPower|PC | hello |
| 16:10.23 | info\aw | so nobody wants to recommend me some really pimp addons? |
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| 16:22.59 | futr-sleep | get anything and everything by Discord ;'] |
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| 16:43.12 | shouryuu | rrawr |
| 16:44.13 | ToastTheif | get nothing Discord |
| 16:44.21 | ToastTheif | get anything and everything Ace |
| 16:47.56 | shouryuu | ~pummel toastthief |
| 16:48.04 | shouryuu | dang |
| 16:48.20 | ToastTheif | BTW, go to www.wowace.com and look at the interface threads in the community forum |
| 16:48.30 | ToastTheif | mine owns ^^ |
| 16:49.18 | info\aw | hmm is decursive allowed? |
| 16:49.29 | ToastTheif | it is for now................dun dun dun |
| 16:49.37 | ToastTheif | gtg |
| 16:55.29 | futrtrubl | forget what ToastTheif said, Discord is awesome |
| 16:57.30 | digix_ | discord is awesome |
| 16:57.37 | info\aw | yeah I use discord action bars and I like it very much |
| 16:57.46 | info\aw | I'm looking at decursive now |
| 16:57.48 | info\aw | looks nice |
| 16:58.17 | digix_ | i tried some of the other discord stuff with the Druidium compilation, but it lagged my fps too much in MC :P |
| 16:58.48 | digix_ | this CircuFrames looks pretty kickass though |
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| 16:59.10 | Beladona | hi |
| 17:01.35 | shouryuu | rraaawwwrrr |
| 17:02.05 | digix_ | hey Bela |
| 17:02.21 | Beladona | hiya |
| 17:03.37 | digix_ | sooo, this may sound like a noobish question, but im relatively new to the addon thing (as far as editing/coding), but is there some sort of SDK or something to see how an addon would look when its loaded in WoW, or is that even possible? |
| 17:04.08 | Beladona | most people just use other addons as examples |
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| 17:05.11 | Beladona | this might be useful also: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=49&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate |
| 17:06.05 | digix_ | ooooo, nice |
| 17:06.21 | digix_ | i thought i saw that before, but couldnt find it... thanks :) |
| 17:06.34 | Beladona | no problem |
| 17:06.36 | shouryuu | lain is just |
| 17:06.37 | shouryuu | so cool |
| 17:06.55 | digix_ | i just have a lot of free time at work, but dont have access to wow :P |
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| 17:13.14 | Beladona | I have access to wow, but not a lot of free time |
| 17:13.17 | Beladona | =P |
| 17:13.23 | digix_ | heh |
| 17:13.46 | shouryuu | I kinda have none of both |
| 17:14.04 | Beladona | just had an IT meeting. They want to go paperless with our company, which is good, but they want to do it in 1 month |
| 17:14.17 | Beladona | and I am already being worn thin |
| 17:14.40 | digix_ | holy crap, paperless in a month?? |
| 17:14.46 | Beladona | thats what I said |
| 17:14.50 | digix_ | is there any plan laid our for it already? |
| 17:15.06 | Beladona | well, the plan that I proposed |
| 17:15.14 | digix_ | rofl |
| 17:15.19 | Beladona | they gave me the "we can approve overtime" spealk |
| 17:15.30 | Beladona | yeah, I wanna work 80 hours a week, sure |
| 17:15.33 | digix_ | wow |
| 17:15.36 | digix_ | lol |
| 17:15.50 | Beladona | the problem is, we do a lot of accounting work |
| 17:15.51 | digix_ | i dont know of any company that has gone paperless in less than 2 months..... |
| 17:15.56 | Beladona | and tax season starts at the end of January |
| 17:16.07 | Beladona | so they want it done before then, otherwise we have to wait till next fall |
| 17:16.18 | digix_ | ouch |
| 17:16.25 | Beladona | they want everything now, and I just want a vacation |
| 17:16.32 | Beladona | haven't had one in 2 years |
| 17:16.45 | digix_ | damn, yeah, id say your due for one |
| 17:16.53 | Beladona | taking one right after Christmas |
| 17:17.01 | Beladona | which of course cuts into the paperless schedule |
| 17:17.03 | Beladona | but tough |
| 17:17.23 | Beladona | they are meeting now to make a "final" decision |
| 17:17.30 | Beladona | hopefully they listen to my warnings |
| 17:17.43 | digix_ | heh |
| 17:17.56 | Beladona | paperless has the potential to increase productivity and reduce cost, but if rushed it will decrease productivity and increase cost initially |
| 17:18.11 | digix_ | yup |
| 17:18.18 | Beladona | I would rather train everyone in the off season |
| 17:18.26 | Beladona | that way I know they are ready |
| 17:18.52 | Beladona | oh well, sorry for the rant |
| 17:18.59 | digix_ | ive seen a lot of companies try the paperless move and didnt quite make it as well..... spent a hefty chunk of budget for machines that are wasted space now |
| 17:19.10 | digix_ | lol, np |
| 17:19.20 | Beladona | we are running at 80% storage capacity now |
| 17:19.49 | Beladona | they want me to set up a fiber SAN in one week |
| 17:19.57 | digix_ | O_o |
| 17:19.58 | Beladona | AND migrate the data |
| 17:20.02 | digix_ | O_O |
| 17:20.07 | Beladona | and setup the backup system for terrabyte storage |
| 17:20.15 | digix_ | sweet jebus in a can.... are they on crack?? |
| 17:20.22 | Beladona | I hope so |
| 17:21.04 | Beladona | I tried to explain to them that if we do this, I will ONLY be doing paperless, all other projects, requests, and the like will be unavailable |
| 17:21.28 | digix_ | yeah, its gotta be done that way to get it done right, IMO |
| 17:21.29 | Beladona | on the up side, I will be making craploads of money |
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| 17:21.35 | digix_ | lol, true.dat |
| 17:21.47 | Beladona | they do time and a half for overtime |
| 17:21.54 | Beladona | so yay me |
| 17:22.05 | digix_ | hehe, nice |
| 17:22.41 | digix_ | i got promoted to salary last year, so they get to rape me on overtime whenever they feel the need.... -_- |
| 17:22.49 | Beladona | I am salary |
| 17:22.56 | Beladona | but they still do it that way |
| 17:22.59 | Beladona | its kinda weird |
| 17:24.51 | digix_ | hmmm, yeah |
| 17:52.24 | elema | so guys,my quest is to make 2-5 buttons, to show the player's tradeskill frames. |
| 17:52.50 | elema | but, the tradeskillframe has only one name for all |
| 17:53.12 | elema | anybody an idea how I can show them in difference? |
| 17:53.48 | elema | mean, button1 shows first learned tradeskill, button2 shows second learned tradeskill |
| 17:54.15 | elema | and so on with the secondary tradeskills(if they're possible) |
| 17:56.28 | elema | no idea? |
| 17:57.20 | Iriel | ? |
| 17:57.22 | elema | not even Iriel ? |
| 17:57.28 | Iriel | I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 17:57.41 | elema | i wanna create 2-5 buttons |
| 17:57.44 | Iriel | You can have one _active_ tradeskill at a time |
| 17:57.59 | Iriel | so if you want to gather data from more than one you'd need to flip between them and gather up your data |
| 17:58.21 | Iriel | (Note also that a couple of skills, you need to use the older Crafting interface also, enchanting, for example) |
| 17:58.47 | elema | i wanna have one button for my first tradeskill (EG mining) and another for my second (EG engeneering) |
| 17:59.30 | elema | so the mod must make a difference between the 2 tradeskill windows (the content of them I mean) |
| 17:59.46 | Iriel | But what do you mean by 'button' ? |
| 17:59.52 | Iriel | You can already pull tradeskills onto action buttons |
| 18:00.11 | elema | i make a rewirte for the micro buttons menu |
| 18:00.47 | elema | i put the 8 old buttons in a circle and want to expand the old micro buttons with 2 new buttons for the different tradeskills |
| 18:02.02 | Tain | If you look through the Blizzard TradeSkillFrame.lua it shows how it sets the TradeSkillFrame for the different tradeskills. |
| 18:02.10 | shouryuu | iriel |
| 18:02.16 | shouryuu | thank you so much for suggest lain |
| 18:02.25 | shouryuu | it's the most fucked up anime I've seen in a while |
| 18:02.27 | shouryuu | *suggesting |
| 18:02.31 | shouryuu | it feels gooood |
| 18:02.50 | Iriel | heh glad you like it. |
| 18:03.16 | shouryuu | I've just watched the 13 episodes straight :P |
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| 18:03.34 | Iriel | You should probably seek medical attention. |
| 18:03.38 | Iriel | meeting time, back later |
| 18:03.56 | Tain | I think it might even be as simple as calling TradeSkillFrame_SetSelection() with the index of the tradeskill you want, after triggering the trdeskill window itself to open. But that's just at a very quick glance. |
| 18:06.07 | elema | hmm so I have to create a function that extracts the tradeskills of the player |
| 18:06.27 | Beladona | ehh |
| 18:07.06 | Beladona | are you making a separate one for each tradeskill, or just a first and second tradeskill button? |
| 18:08.28 | Tain | There already is it looks like. Look in the TradeSkillFrame.lua to see how Blizzard does it. You can use GetNumTradeSkills() |
| 18:08.46 | Tain | Which should give an index of tradeskills you know, I believe. |
| 18:09.18 | Tain | Yeah that gives an index and then GetTradeSkillInfo(index) |
| 18:10.49 | elema | so I'm looking at it |
| 18:11.05 | elema | thanks for your help |
| 18:11.20 | elema | -/hail |
| 18:11.46 | Tain | You're welcome, I don't know much more about it, I just always keep the Blizzard lua and xml around to try to see how they do it, and work it out from there. |
| 18:13.39 | Iriel | (short meeting - back) |
| 18:14.28 | Iriel | I still dont understand the problem exactly, the question as asked earlier (Mining/Engineering) is very different from differentiating two entries in the tradeskill window (Say, Heavy Blasting Powder, and Bronze Framework) |
| 18:15.00 | elema | just another Q, how do you extract the .xml's and .lua's out of the mpq ? with the customninterfacekit? |
| 18:15.21 | Iriel | Yes |
| 18:15.34 | elema | coz that doesn't extracts the tradeskill files at me |
| 18:16.13 | Tain | It should put them into \Interface\Addons\FrameXML to wherever you installed it to |
| 18:17.04 | Tain | I think at least. You can also run WinMPQ to extract them. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3990 |
| 18:17.34 | elema | that I tried but it extracted only empty files |
| 18:17.39 | Iriel | Yeah, you can use WinMPQ too |
| 18:17.51 | Iriel | you must extract from patch.mpq not interface.mpq, for most things |
| 18:18.09 | Iriel | the Custom Interface Kit is cleaner tho, because it gets the right files. |
| 18:18.09 | Tain | Actually I always extract interface.mpq first, and then patch.mpq |
| 18:18.25 | Iriel | yeah, doing 2 files is the 'right' way, with WinMPQ |
| 18:18.40 | Tain | But if the Custom Interface kit has it all then that's just easier. |
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| 18:18.42 | Tain | Morning Cair |
| 18:19.01 | Kolth | Yay I woke up before Cair! |
| 18:19.16 | Cair | hi |
| 18:19.23 | Gryphen | heya |
| 18:20.21 | Cair | shouryuu: you here? |
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| 18:20.42 | elema | the custom interface kit extracts (at me ) only some files, like the worldmap and other things but unfortunetely not the tradeskillframe |
| 18:20.56 | Iriel | elema: which button did you hit? |
| 18:20.58 | elema | perhaps I've got an old one |
| 18:21.06 | elema | script files |
| 18:21.13 | elema | not the graphics |
| 18:21.16 | Iriel | Perhaps, they changed it in August or so |
| 18:21.36 | shouryuu | rrrawr ladies |
| 18:21.39 | Iriel | It's certainly worth a try to get the new one |
| 18:22.06 | Cair | shouryuu: you can't tell santa's helper when you see her?! |
| 18:22.20 | shouryuu | lol |
| 18:22.25 | Cair | :( |
| 18:22.28 | Kolth | hahh |
| 18:22.52 | shouryuu | so you're santa's helper now... I see |
| 18:23.17 | MoonWolf | I had this potentially good idea that blizzard would never implement |
| 18:23.21 | MoonWolf | who wants to hear it ? |
| 18:23.24 | shouryuu | Hit me |
| 18:23.26 | shouryuu | lot |
| 18:23.34 | shouryuu | 's of people have good ideas |
| 18:23.41 | shouryuu | that blizz will never implement |
| 18:23.47 | shouryuu | but hit us with it! |
| 18:24.04 | MoonWolf | a modification slot on spells |
| 18:24.13 | MoonWolf | like the slots weapons have now |
| 18:24.30 | MoonWolf | that fits an enchant or something like a mithril sput |
| 18:24.32 | MoonWolf | spur* |
| 18:24.48 | Eraphine|Lab | sounds like ffvii :) |
| 18:24.50 | Eraphine|Lab | materia ? |
| 18:24.53 | MoonWolf | and a tradeskill that makes those things. |
| 18:24.57 | shouryuu | lol |
| 18:25.01 | MoonWolf | never played any FF |
| 18:25.06 | shouryuu | ffVII |
| 18:25.09 | shouryuu | that's like old |
| 18:25.23 | MoonWolf | No, i got the idea like suddenly. |
| 18:25.34 | shouryuu | lol |
| 18:25.37 | MoonWolf | Wadda ya thunk? |
| 18:25.56 | Eraphine|Lab | neat idea, potentially overpowering |
| 18:26.09 | Beladona | the TradeSkillFrame files are located under Interface/AddOns/Blixxard_TradeSkillUI |
| 18:26.14 | Eraphine|Lab | blizzard is already on it's toes on how quickly end-game guilds tear through the new content. |
| 18:26.25 | shouryuu | Man I hate these people |
| 18:27.15 | MoonWolf | Well, that is there problem to balance, its only an idea. |
| 18:27.20 | Beladona | elema: CustomInterfaceKit should get the files you want, just make sure you check the AddOns folder as well |
| 18:28.00 | elema | that was the thing, hadn't thought that blizz made the tradeskillframe as an addon |
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| 18:28.05 | Beladona | yeah |
| 18:28.08 | Astryl | Kwak. |
| 18:28.28 | elema | oh dear I'm so ... [..] |
| 18:28.34 | Beladona | as of patch 1.8 |
| 18:28.38 | Cair | *purr* |
| 18:28.40 | Astryl | ... |
| 18:29.12 | MoonWolf | someone feed Cairen some catfood. |
| 18:29.27 | MoonWolf | or human flesh |
| 18:29.59 | MoonWolf | nobody gets my jokes :( |
| 18:30.14 | futrtrubl | ;'[ |
| 18:30.25 | Cair | I'm just sulking, don't mind me |
| 18:30.48 | Astryl | mmmm, worlds flattest pib... |
| 18:31.27 | futrtrubl | is test looking mature enough for it to go live this Tuesday? |
| 18:31.40 | Astryl | lol, no. |
| 18:31.41 | Cair | and Moon, a lot of them probably missed the vamp reference last night, so that's why they aren't getting the joke |
| 18:31.50 | elema | really a BIG BIG NO |
| 18:31.54 | MoonWolf | okay |
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| 18:32.08 | Astryl | The devs keep mentioning that certain bugfixes have been fixed internally, but won't make it to test for another 2 PTR builds or such. |
| 18:32.13 | futrtrubl | k, then I'll not delay my next release till 1.9 ;'] |
| 18:32.17 | elema | anybody here raided AQ on the testrealms? |
| 18:32.41 | Astryl | So, I'm guessing a christmas release of 1.9 |
| 18:32.58 | Astryl | (tuesday before christmas. |
| 18:32.59 | futrtrubl | but.... I want 1.9!!! |
| 18:33.06 | elema | i tried but hmm yeah we wiped really often, so at the 7th wipe, I went of |
| 18:33.18 | Astryl | Tuesday the 20th is my guess. |
| 18:33.21 | elema | it was at the first boss |
| 18:33.38 | elema | tuesday in US you mean? |
| 18:33.44 | Astryl | Yup |
| 18:34.01 | elema | so I've hope to get I on the first day I've hols |
| 18:34.04 | Beladona | good, jsut in time for my vacation. I made sure I had wireless internet access in our cabin =D |
| 18:35.02 | elema | wanna give blizz a big asskick, when they shoot again my whole interface |
| 18:35.30 | elema | guild UI may be ok, coz that's not a real complex one |
| 18:35.36 | Industrial | you fuck up their interface |
| 18:35.39 | Industrial | you have no right to speak |
| 18:35.48 | Beladona | doh |
| 18:35.50 | Industrial | thats how things are. |
| 18:35.51 | elema | Industrial for GM |
| 18:35.52 | Industrial | preiod |
| 18:35.56 | Industrial | period* |
| 18:36.21 | Beladona | can't look at it that way |
| 18:36.23 | Industrial | we adapt to them. They own us. the game isnt even ours. we lend it. |
| 18:36.35 | Beladona | some of blizzards better changes were because mod authors thought of it first |
| 18:36.45 | Industrial | Beladona: positive input |
| 18:36.45 | elema | ever read the EULA ? the items aren'T ours |
| 18:36.52 | Beladona | we are their open source development team |
| 18:36.56 | Industrial | however |
| 18:37.15 | Industrial | "Your patch broke my ui! fix it!" is not a legit complaint |
| 18:37.26 | Beladona | I agree |
| 18:37.55 | Industrial | sorry, ill shut up now. go on talking. im not here :E (I'm ripping someones calculator addon) |
| 18:38.04 | Industrial | ~emulate me |
| 18:38.06 | purl | :S |
| 18:38.32 | MentalPower | ~botsnack |
| 18:38.32 | purl | MentalPower: aw, gee |
| 18:38.32 | Astryl | If a patch breaks any mod, it's A) The fault of the mod author for not updating it, or B) The fault of the (stupid) user for not updating to the most recent version. |
| 18:38.33 | Beladona | releasing a mod kind of puts you at the mercy of updating it when they do. It sucks sometimes, but it is what you agreed to when you decided to release your addon. This is why many of mine never get officially released - perpetual testing is my mantra |
| 18:39.10 | Industrial | Beladona: just never release a stable release (e.g. 1.0) |
| 18:39.22 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:39.33 | Industrial | Beladona: you have the right then to say it isnt finished and bugs may always appear and its not your fault |
| 18:39.34 | MentalPower | ok question, what is the difference between a variable in the SavedVariables folder and a variable in CVar? |
| 18:39.35 | Beladona | I am too much the perfectionist |
| 18:39.39 | elema | guys I was on the EU wow page and i read, the winner's of the halloween contest are setted up lol it's nearly a month ago, isn'T it? so slow they are *sing* |
| 18:39.43 | Beladona | I am never happy with my own work |
| 18:39.48 | MoonWolf | bugs alway's appear |
| 18:39.54 | MoonWolf | new patches are great things to blame |
| 18:40.00 | Industrial | yeah |
| 18:40.01 | Industrial | :D |
| 18:40.30 | Industrial | hee wolfje, tijd niet gezien man :P kheb eindelijk eens een addon geript xD http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/index.html |
| 18:40.32 | Industrial | </dutch> |
| 18:40.59 | elema | self-irony is healthy, moon |
| 18:41.07 | Iriel | I suspect i'm going to lose half of one day this week updating things for the new patch, but I may be able to make some things cleaner with SetFont |
| 18:41.29 | MoonWolf | oh, ik weet het industrial, ik gebruik idchat zelfs |
| 18:41.39 | Industrial | woot |
| 18:41.39 | Industrial | :D |
| 18:41.39 | MoonWolf | voornamelijk voor de timestamps |
| 18:41.42 | Industrial | yay |
| 18:41.44 | MoonWolf | </dutch> |
| 18:42.00 | elema | yeah, a good work of blizz |
| 18:42.41 | MoonWolf | setfont ? we get a setfont command |
| 18:42.44 | MoonWolf | why did i never read that |
| 18:42.49 | Iriel | A widget method |
| 18:42.53 | Iriel | it's in the change notes |
| 18:43.16 | MoonWolf | i read those 15 times and either i skimmed it every time or it never actually got into my skull |
| 18:43.21 | MoonWolf | no more framexml folder |
| 18:43.22 | MoonWolf | yay |
| 18:43.33 | Industrial | we get a setfont? no more frameXML/founts.xml ? |
| 18:43.41 | Beladona | mmm |
| 18:43.51 | Industrial | sounds like music |
| 18:43.52 | Iriel | You can change fonts without altering FrameXML\Fonts.xml, yes |
| 18:43.54 | Beladona | I hope I win a 7800 GTX LOL |
| 18:43.54 | Iriel | if you want. |
| 18:43.54 | Cair | *purrs* |
| 18:44.11 | Cair | Sure. |
| 18:44.11 | Cair | Added EditBox:SetFont() |
| 18:44.11 | Cair | Added GetFont() methods to match the existing SetFont() script methods. |
| 18:44.12 | Iriel | Doing it THROUGHOUT the UI may be a bit more 'fun' |
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| 18:44.27 | Iriel | The edit box one isn't until some patch to come tho |
| 18:44.35 | Iriel | has he answered my 1.9 or 1.10 question yet? |
| 18:44.39 | Eraphine|Lab | I thought SetFont was already in the api? |
| 18:44.39 | Cair | not yet |
| 18:44.46 | Eraphine|Lab | string:setfont? |
| 18:45.03 | Industrial | yay my dad bought me candee (im an addict) |
| 18:45.05 | Industrial | :p |
| 18:45.26 | Cair | hey, you know? you hurt Ofatale's feelings, not nice :p |
| 18:45.27 | Iriel | Well, SOME SetFonts are there, he added more for 1.9 |
| 18:45.36 | Industrial | Cair: ? |
| 18:45.39 | Eraphine|Lab | FontString:SetFont("font", size[,"flags"]) ? |
| 18:45.44 | Iriel | * Added ScrollingMessageFrame:SetFont("font", fontHeight [, flags]), which works exactly like the FontString function of the same name. |
| 18:45.50 | Iriel | That one's the one that's most exciting |
| 18:45.56 | Kaelten | Iriel: too bad we can't call it on one of the base font objects and have it effect all of the child fonts of that one. |
| 18:46.01 | Eraphine|Lab | ohhh. |
| 18:46.09 | Iriel | Kaelten : They're all virtual, so it wouldnt "work" 8-( |
| 18:46.09 | Eraphine|Lab | How can we have fonts without fontstrings? |
| 18:46.33 | Iriel | Kaelten : But we can always scan all the global symbols for FontString objects and apply changes, so global changes are doable |
| 18:46.44 | Iriel | Kaelten : Doing that WELL will even be feasible with FontString:SetFont |
| 18:46.49 | Iriel | I mean :GetFont |
| 18:46.50 | Iriel | sorry |
| 18:46.56 | Eraphine|Lab | ohh |
| 18:46.59 | Kaelten | hmm |
| 18:47.12 | Eraphine|Lab | Iriel, FontString:SetFont() has been in for a while I thought? |
| 18:47.14 | Kaelten | I guess thats true, trying to find all of them in the code would be a chore. |
| 18:47.29 | Iriel | Eraphine|Lab : Yes, but many of the other fonty objects didn' thave one |
| 18:48.42 | Kolth | Plus they totally made it useless. |
| 18:48.44 | Iriel | I should probably push the 1.9 widget API changes to the wiki at some point, with notes on which are new in 1.9 |
| 18:48.47 | Kolth | (SetFont, that is) |
| 18:49.03 | Iriel | Anyone who plays with the Model object should be warned a couple of methods changed. |
| 18:49.12 | Iriel | Kolth: Howso? |
| 18:49.48 | Kolth | It just sets the font with no styles. |
| 18:49.53 | Kolth | And styles cannot be set. |
| 18:50.04 | Ktron | afternoon everyone-- I think today I'm going to try out Ace and Aced addons to see if they're worth it |
| 18:50.27 | Kaelten | greetings ktron |
| 18:50.54 | Industrial | cool Ktron, have a look in the forum on wowace.com , we are also in ##ace |
| 18:53.10 | Beladona | They updated the test server again the other day didn't they? |
| 18:54.09 | Beladona | I have an export of the FrameXML, AddOns files from the current test build, but not the first 0.9 test build. Anyone have those by chance? |
| 18:56.37 | Iriel | I do |
| 18:56.53 | Beladona | could I get them from you by chance? I need them to do a compare |
| 18:57.09 | Iriel | email me, iriel@vigilance-committee.org, and i'll get them to you as soon as my next set of meetings end |
| 18:57.17 | Beladona | kk, thanks |
| 18:57.21 | Kolth | Iriel: Am I still correct in what I said above? |
| 18:57.50 | Iriel | Kolth: yes, I was going to say (but then had some technical difficulties) that you should ask slouken if we can get methods for that in the 1.9 changes thread |
| 18:58.13 | Kolth | I think Anduin already made the plea. |
| 18:58.21 | Kolth | (Since it's limiting Archaelogist atm) |
| 18:58.37 | Iriel | I would however say it's not "Useless" without that, just "Limited" |
| 18:59.18 | Kolth | I thought most of the fontstrings ingame has styling. |
| 18:59.45 | Iriel | Most of the things people like to do is setting the size or changing the actual font, at least that's been MY experience |
| 19:00.11 | Iriel | It's just the Shadow thing we can't change, right? |
| 19:00.18 | Kolth | Yes. |
| 19:00.24 | Kolth | So the text looks gunky. |
| 19:00.29 | Iriel | I dont think i've ever seen a request for a SetFontShadow method |
| 19:00.40 | Iriel | You really SHOULD post one 8-) |
| 19:00.54 | Iriel | If you can name an addon where you need it, all the better |
| 19:01.05 | Iriel | Slouken's receiptive to requests where you've shown an actual need |
| 19:01.05 | Kolth | Roger that. |
| 19:01.16 | Beladona | that would be really useful |
| 19:01.28 | Ktron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:07.11 | Iriel | Off again. |
| 19:07.34 | Kaelten | off to work |
| 19:09.18 | futrtrubl | is this a valid table reference? BEBXpPerLvl[UnitLevel("player")+1] |
| 19:10.10 | Kolth | Looks good. |
| 19:10.14 | Beladona | should work |
| 19:10.21 | futrtrubl | k |
| 19:10.27 | Beladona | if it doesn't, I retract my statement however |
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| 19:10.31 | Beladona | =P |
| 19:10.36 | Kolth | Brackets are on the same order of operations as parenthesis rihgt? |
| 19:10.49 | Kolth | If it doesn't, do BEBXpPerLvl[(UnitLevel("player")+1)] |
| 19:10.50 | Beladona | it denotes a key in the table |
| 19:11.19 | Beladona | shouldn't need the extras |
| 19:11.23 | Kolth | Yeah. |
| 19:11.41 | futrtrubl | would you guys hate it if I requested "font" be optional in SetFont()? Since SetFontHeight() isn't for just setting the fonts height... |
| 19:13.03 | Kolth | Well then what argument would be required? |
| 19:14.02 | futrtrubl | SetTextHeight() even.... your right, size would also need to be optional in that case |
| 19:14.20 | Kolth | And Beladona: What I was talking about but mightn't've been too clear on was that parenthesis get the same priority as brackets. |
| 19:14.55 | futrtrubl | maybe a new function SetFontHeight(). so many people just want to change the height of some text, but SetTextHeight() has issues for that |
| 19:15.02 | Beladona | yeah I realized that after you posted your example |
| 19:15.04 | Beladona | sorry |
| 19:15.12 | Kolth | np |
| 19:15.27 | Kolth | I know you know more about code than me :) |
| 19:15.37 | Beladona | I don't know that |
| 19:15.39 | Beladona | =P |
| 19:15.40 | Kolth | I do. |
| 19:17.49 | Beladona | wow, interesting bug |
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| 19:22.20 | futrtrubl | ? |
| 19:22.56 | Beladona | the bug in UIOptionsFrame |
| 19:23.06 | Beladona | where they forgot the <script> anchors |
| 19:23.26 | futrtrubl | oops, how'd that get through? |
| 19:24.15 | futrtrubl | don't they validate against their schema? |
| 19:25.09 | Cair | Iriel, he answered, it's in 1.9 (the editbox:setfont() and getfont() ) |
| 19:27.05 | Cair | hahahhahaha |
| 19:27.16 | Cair | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 19:27.40 | futrtrubl | Iriel left I believe, though he is still here |
| 19:28.00 | Cair | hahahhahahhaahhahhaha |
| 19:28.53 | Beladona | is that NSFW? |
| 19:29.20 | Cair | probably |
| 19:29.29 | Cair | sorry, should have warned |
| 19:29.32 | Beladona | k, will wait till I get home then =P |
| 19:29.40 | Cair | omg, FUNNY though! |
| 19:29.46 | Beladona | I always ask, just in case |
| 19:30.22 | Beladona | its not the cookie monster one is it? |
| 19:30.27 | Cair | no |
| 19:30.29 | Beladona | k |
| 19:30.35 | Beladona | you seen that one? |
| 19:30.43 | Ktron | heh, this is going to sound ridiculous, but I imagine I can't be the first person to think such thoughts... Is there an 'ingame' xml editor? Or how about another addon besides MoveAnything that shows you frame names and frame parents on mouseovers? |
| 19:30.44 | Cair | it's a wow video about the internet |
| 19:30.57 | Cair | not sure I have bela |
| 19:31.22 | Beladona | see if I can find it |
| 19:31.51 | Ktron | heh, I wish I could right click on WoW and select 'view source' |
| 19:32.00 | futrtrubl | OMG that video is awesome Cair! |
| 19:32.07 | Cair | isn't it though?! |
| 19:32.09 | Ktron | or more correctly, right click on the WoW ui and select 'view source' |
| 19:32.09 | Cair | hahahhahaha |
| 19:32.46 | Beladona | from in-game? That might be a difficult addon to code |
| 19:33.11 | futrtrubl | Ktron: DArt and Discord Frame Modifier both show the frame under the mouse |
| 19:33.30 | futrtrubl | and parent |
| 19:33.37 | Ktron | futrtrubl: does it show the frame's parent too? nice... I'll look at them again |
| 19:35.49 | Cair | omg, I can't stop watching this video! |
| 19:35.56 | Cair | hahahahahha |
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| 19:37.21 | Cair | YAY |
| 19:37.23 | Cair | hehehehhehe |
| 19:37.27 | groll | hehe howdy |
| 19:37.41 | Cair | guys, when you watch that video, thank groll, he's the one that posted the link over in the cosmos channel |
| 19:37.52 | groll | :D |
| 19:39.31 | futrtrubl | thanks groll |
| 19:39.39 | groll | np :D |
| 19:40.24 | groll | bah screw it.. i wont link it to my guilds frontpage.. to much work to make it autoplay :P |
| 19:40.32 | Cair | ROFL |
| 19:41.37 | groll | hehe gotta watch it again :P |
| 19:41.47 | Cair | looping it, hehehhee |
| 19:41.59 | Beladona | I can't find the cookie monster porn video |
| 19:42.04 | Beladona | grrr |
| 19:42.23 | Cair | groll ... would you say this is NSFW? |
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| 19:42.55 | Verlaine | rawr? |
| 19:42.59 | Cair | *purr* |
| 19:43.00 | digix_ | holy crap that video rocks |
| 19:43.04 | Cair | hehehehhee |
| 19:43.07 | digix_ | XD |
| 19:43.12 | Verlaine | which one? |
| 19:43.16 | Cair | gonna end up with the whole channel watching it |
| 19:43.19 | Cair | ROFL |
| 19:43.20 | digix_ | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 19:43.23 | digix_ | rofl |
| 19:43.30 | Cair | LOVE it! |
| 19:43.37 | Verlaine | did anyone see the Curse BWL video |
| 19:43.46 | Cair | just sent the link to Slouken, so it should be all over Blizz HQ shortly |
| 19:43.51 | Verlaine | lol |
| 19:44.06 | digix_ | XD |
| 19:44.12 | digix_ | nice Cair |
| 19:44.14 | Beladona | so wrong |
| 19:44.16 | Beladona | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/gijoe-firealarm.html |
| 19:44.24 | digix_ | OMG, i have that whole set |
| 19:44.30 | digix_ | those are friggin great |
| 19:45.54 | digix_ | http://digix.us/gi_joe |
| 19:45.56 | digix_ | :D |
| 19:47.26 | Beladona | OMG |
| 19:47.28 | Beladona | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/bigboycarwash.html |
| 19:48.20 | Cair | EWWWWW |
| 19:48.33 | Cair | Bela, if you can watch those at work, you can watch the one I linked |
| 19:48.34 | Cair | LOL |
| 19:48.35 | Beladona | hehehe |
| 19:48.39 | kremonte | morning wowi :p |
| 19:48.45 | Cair | hey kremonte :) |
| 19:49.08 | Verlaine | haha that was hilarious |
| 19:49.13 | digix_ | wow, yeah, that last one was......awdward..... |
| 19:49.20 | digix_ | awkward* |
| 19:49.32 | Verlaine | the internet one |
| 19:50.01 | digix_ | no, the bigboycarwash one..... *shudders* |
| 19:50.15 | Verlaine | that was just |
| 19:50.17 | Verlaine | wrong |
| 19:50.27 | Cair | oh yeah ... |
| 19:50.29 | Cair | heh |
| 19:50.39 | Beladona | what you do is download it, then send it to all yopur friends telling them it is sexy porn |
| 19:51.11 | Verlaine | that is just |
| 19:51.12 | Verlaine | wrong |
| 19:51.19 | kremonte | how come there is no faction related schematics >:( |
| 19:51.47 | Beladona | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/matrix.html |
| 19:52.21 | Verlaine | looool |
| 19:52.43 | Cair | rofl |
| 19:52.59 | Cair | omg |
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| 19:53.14 | Verlaine | looool |
| 19:53.15 | Cair | okay, I've gotta run out to the bank before you guys link any more |
| 19:53.17 | Verlaine | he got afraid |
| 19:53.36 | Beladona | I think I have one here that involves a bank actually |
| 19:54.01 | Cair | oh god |
| 19:54.12 | Verlaine | link it liiinkk it! |
| 19:55.02 | Beladona | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/spainbank.html |
| 19:55.30 | Verlaine | lol I saw that |
| 19:55.57 | Cair | OMFG |
| 19:56.09 | Verlaine | that's just |
| 19:56.10 | Verlaine | wrong |
| 19:56.11 | Beladona | lol |
| 19:56.27 | Beladona | I hope you aren't riding a motorcycle to the bank Cair |
| 19:56.31 | Beladona | =\ |
| 19:56.35 | Cair | :O |
| 19:56.36 | Verlaine | :P |
| 19:56.40 | Cair | holy shit |
| 19:56.47 | digix_ | holy crap, wow |
| 19:56.49 | Verlaine | soiked-humour is nice |
| 19:56.53 | digix_ | that was nuts |
| 19:56.53 | Verlaine | *spiked |
| 19:57.06 | Cair | like ... fuck ... *shudder* |
| 19:57.10 | Beladona | I watch those police shows on Spike TV |
| 19:57.20 | Verlaine | sooo anyone have some more anime I could get? |
| 19:57.20 | Beladona | its amazing the stupidity of some criminals |
| 19:57.23 | Cair | I *do* ride ... that was absolutely fucking horrid |
| 19:57.32 | Verlaine | I just had 6hours of lain and need more |
| 19:57.40 | Verlaine | lol poor cair |
| 19:58.15 | Verlaine | brb |
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| 19:58.26 | Cair | that ... omg ... is that really real? |
| 19:58.33 | Beladona | maybe I shoulda warned ya about the motorcycle part of it |
| 19:58.44 | groll | bah i wont bore you with any whine but damnit being a shammy in a pve guild SUCK! :P |
| 19:58.51 | groll | enough whine :P |
| 19:58.57 | shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:59.06 | Cair | okay, yeah, I'm gonna go to the bank now ... in my nice big Toyota 4Runner |
| 19:59.08 | groll | now i want my kebab!!! damn delivery service |
| 19:59.17 | shouryuu | I've just tried to farm as a holypriest, that sucks |
| 19:59.18 | shouryuu | lole |
| 19:59.25 | shouryuu | kebab... *droool* |
| 19:59.40 | groll | or rather kebabrulle :D |
| 20:00.08 | shouryuu | :P |
| 20:00.12 | shouryuu | so any anime suggestions? |
| 20:00.15 | shouryuu | I need mooorreeee |
| 20:00.44 | futrtrubl | I have plenty shou |
| 20:01.17 | shouryuu | gimme some namess |
| 20:01.58 | Beladona | back in a bit |
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| 20:03.23 | Plorkyeran | I rolled a rogue to do my farming |
| 20:03.34 | Plorkyeran | holy priest farming simply doesn't work |
| 20:04.41 | shouryuu | lol |
| 20:04.48 | shouryuu | I don't have the time or courage to reroll like that |
| 20:05.23 | Tain | Farming what? |
| 20:05.31 | Plorkyeran | anything at all :P |
| 20:06.07 | Plorkyeran | I think it took me 6 days to get my rogue to 60, then about another day to get him geared enough to be decent at farming |
| 20:06.08 | futrtrubl | shouryuu, you getting my /msms? |
| 20:06.20 | futrtrubl | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.33 | shouryuu | sorry forgot to identify :( |
| 20:06.49 | Tain | Stealth and pickpocket through instances. |
| 20:07.06 | groll | woohoo kebabtime!! :D |
| 20:21.14 | clad|away | SO my guild killed rag last night and I couldnt be there.. cause they did it on a thursday =( |
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| 20:21.39 | clad|away | so... ima go shower now and then defile our webpage. |
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| 20:24.48 | Gello | has anyone found a way to determine if someone is mounted irregardless of client? |
| 20:26.24 | Kolth | Does AnduinLothar's not meet that criterion? |
| 20:27.05 | Gello | it has a localization.lua didn't see other languages but i can double check |
| 20:27.16 | Gello | the method that uses is reliable but extreeeeeeeeemely slow |
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| 20:31.37 | Kolth | So you're saying Slouken can make this all better? :) |
| 20:32.02 | Gello | i'm hoping to use the SPEED globalstring. something like ".+ "..SPEED but i can't get any response from non-english users |
| 20:32.42 | Gello | double checked too and anduin's method only works on english clients :( |
| 20:33.43 | Gello | he can make all things better hehe, but i doubt this is something that merits his attention |
| 20:36.55 | Gello | i wish i could post on euro forums |
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| 20:37.24 | Cair | there are enough folks in this channel that can, shouldn't be hard |
| 20:37.36 | Beladona | whatd I miss |
| 20:37.49 | Gello | looking for a way to determine if someone is mounted on any client |
| 20:38.02 | Beladona | hmm |
| 20:39.00 | Gello | i'm wondering if "^.+ "..SPEED would check. it depends on the "Increases speed" being the same on every language |
| 20:39.24 | Gello | right now i have it check UnitBuff, and if the return exists in a small problem_mounts table, it does a tooltip scan |
| 20:40.32 | Beladona | I see the problem, but without having access to the other clients, I am not sure |
| 20:40.50 | Gello | yeah :( we badly need language packs |
| 20:41.18 | Beladona | I wish my wdn site had source files from every client |
| 20:41.24 | Beladona | would make viewing source for each pretty handy |
| 20:41.44 | Gello | that'd be neat |
| 20:42.07 | Beladona | ultimately I want to have source for each language, and operating system |
| 20:42.55 | Tain | I'm not sure when it's used, but there is a WoW constant called 'SPEED' |
| 20:43.24 | Tain | The constants I've used so far are all localized. |
| 20:43.40 | Ktron | should ask, how many of you knew that song prior to that video? |
| 20:43.43 | Gello | yeah i found that in globalstrings but not sure if it will work. i can try and wait for the complaints per usual hehe |
| 20:43.50 | Tain | Not me. |
| 20:44.24 | Tain | I knew that the Internet was for porn before that video though. |
| 20:45.11 | Cair | Ktron: I did |
| 20:45.29 | Beladona | you guys found the cookie monster video? |
| 20:46.37 | Tain | Who took a video of me alone with a box of Oreos? |
| 20:46.58 | Industrial | Cair: hah :p |
| 20:49.46 | Cair | just ... not with these particular words ... ;) |
| 20:52.01 | Tain | And all this time I thought those guys were saying, "For the Horde!" |
| 20:57.48 | Cair | ~today |
| 20:57.49 | purl | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 20:58.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge groll (n=hoho@62.119.159.41) |
| 20:59.10 | Ktron | heh... so my new project is to take FrameFinder from discord, overhaul it and make it place a texture with a bright yellow edge over whatever frame I'm moused-over and maybe a more orange one over its parent and green ones over its children |
| 21:04.12 | groll | sorry but i have to.. for those who missed it before :P http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 21:04.51 | Gello | make a key binding to cycle through parents, and then return GetMouseFocus when it hits UIParent or WorldFrame. then the user can hit the key over and over to select frames up the parent line |
| 21:05.15 | Cair | hehehhehe |
| 21:05.50 | Tain | My next project will be to make a keybinding that launches the Forporn video. |
| 21:05.59 | groll | Cair check ur pm too :) |
| 21:06.24 | Cair | groll, where? |
| 21:07.08 | groll | here |
| 21:07.15 | groll | hmm i'll redo it :P |
| 21:07.16 | Cair | you registered? |
| 21:07.22 | groll | ah nope |
| 21:07.26 | groll | i'll pm on cos instead |
| 21:07.31 | Cair | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.44 | Cair | take you like 2 sec :p |
| 21:19.42 | futrtrubl | Ktron: There are alot of potential child frames you'll have to mark |
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| 21:24.54 | Iriel | Damn, I hate it when I change what I'm working on, but my mind doesn't switch programming language uses completely. |
| 21:25.07 | Iriel | Especially when the wrong language is syntactically valid, but does the wrong thing. |
| 21:25.29 | Iriel | writing lua table constructors in perl code, in this case, oops |
| 21:25.50 | Ktron | I like Gello's idea too... hm... it'd be nice to get a vague 'snapshot' of the ui so you can see all of the frames, so mods like visor would be more obvious on how to use to do what you're hoping for |
| 21:26.08 | Ktron | heh, it's on the list, who knows, maybe I'll mess with it eventually |
| 21:26.49 | Cair | Iriel! |
| 21:26.51 | Cair | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 21:26.53 | Cair | hehehehehe |
| 21:27.20 | Industrial | hah |
| 21:27.21 | Industrial | :p |
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| 21:28.21 | futrtrubl | Anyone know any good free forum software? That's easy to set up. |
| 21:28.40 | Depherios | php, cgi? |
| 21:28.48 | Beladona | phpbb |
| 21:28.49 | Cair | http://www.phpbb.com/ |
| 21:28.51 | Depherios | yup |
| 21:28.56 | Iriel | Is that work safe? |
| 21:29.02 | Cair | mostly ;) |
| 21:29.05 | Kolth | hahah Iriel |
| 21:29.06 | sini | *cringes at php* |
| 21:29.23 | futrtrubl | php, perl or asp |
| 21:29.34 | Beladona | mute your sound first before you play it Iriel |
| 21:29.40 | Beladona | just in case you deep if nsfw |
| 21:29.41 | sini | *hits futrtrubl for mentioning ASP* :-/ |
| 21:29.43 | Beladona | deem |
| 21:29.50 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 21:29.56 | futrtrubl | back to DS9 |
| 21:30.07 | Beladona | phpbb is my favorite of the free ones |
| 21:30.11 | sini | I just completed a CS project that required me to use ASP and an Access database. It sucked. :-( |
| 21:30.16 | Beladona | mine is heavily modified though |
| 21:30.55 | Ktron | mercurybb is lighter weight than phpbb, ie easier to customize at a coding level, but there's less options and addons for it |
| 21:30.56 | Beladona | upgrading to new versions is hell because I have to diff the changes in, since all my files are customized in one way or another |
| 21:32.27 | sini | I've also used phpbb before. It's quite good. |
| 21:32.55 | Beladona | their 3.0 is supposed to be really good, although its been in development so long now its almost vaporware |
| 21:39.43 | Beladona | doh, how did I miss the release of Firefox 1.5? |
| 21:39.56 | Depherios | lol |
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| 21:42.05 | Osagasu | Cair, the night elf avatar is sexier than the christmas one. =D |
| 21:42.07 | Ktron | I've been holding off from 1.5 because it was taking developers a while to port extensions and even more so, themes |
| 21:42.30 | Beladona | I only use a couple extensions |
| 21:42.33 | Beladona | nothing major |
| 21:42.35 | kergoth | most of the extensions i use have been updated.. but not the main theme i use :( |
| 21:43.02 | Cair | *shrug* |
| 21:43.35 | Ktron | orbit? |
| 21:44.20 | Ktron | someone found a link for Orbit and Orbit Grey for FF 1.5 luckily |
| 21:47.20 | groll | Astryl :D |
| 21:48.09 | Industrial | "Don;t know where I'm goin..." |
| 21:48.15 | Industrial | lah lah lah lah! |
| 21:48.20 | Industrial | only lyrics in the song, lol |
| 21:48.51 | groll | Industrial i beat ya |
| 21:49.10 | Industrial | feindflug? :O:O:O:O |
| 21:49.29 | Industrial | :P |
| 21:49.36 | groll | ah :D |
| 21:49.42 | Industrial | hence my name ;) |
| 21:49.50 | groll | hehe oke :P |
| 21:50.07 | groll | combichrist is like umm ^^ :P |
| 21:50.30 | Industrial | yeah :D |
| 21:50.36 | Industrial | groll: got slouseek? |
| 21:50.39 | groll | i didnt have cash to go see them :( |
| 21:50.43 | groll | hmm no |
| 21:50.46 | Industrial | k |
| 21:50.56 | Industrial | i need more mewsic ghe ghe |
| 21:51.01 | groll | me to! |
| 21:51.03 | Industrial | 5GB atm... im very picky... |
| 21:51.10 | groll | but i need more hdspace!!! |
| 21:51.20 | Industrial | i have enough |
| 21:51.22 | groll | hmm ur TOO picky :P |
| 21:51.23 | Industrial | for the moment.. |
| 21:51.39 | Industrial | groll: theres lots of nice music on soulseek |
| 21:51.41 | Industrial | slsknet.org |
| 21:51.42 | Industrial | :) |
| 21:51.59 | groll | ya i know |
| 21:51.59 | Industrial | e.g. also my share :P |
| 21:52.03 | groll | but i want full albums :p |
| 21:52.08 | Industrial | nothing but |
| 21:52.24 | groll | hmm u swede? :D |
| 21:52.30 | Industrial | no, i'm dutch |
| 21:52.31 | Industrial | :x |
| 21:52.39 | groll | ah ok close enough :P |
| 21:52.43 | Industrial | ghe ghe |
| 21:52.54 | Industrial | 70Kbps up |
| 21:52.58 | Industrial | fyi :E |
| 21:53.13 | groll | tss i got more :P |
| 21:53.16 | groll | uuum i think :P |
| 21:53.49 | Industrial | hehe, i'm gunna get ADSL2 soon |
| 21:53.53 | Industrial | 20MBit |
| 21:53.55 | Industrial | gg |
| 21:53.55 | Industrial | ;x |
| 21:54.06 | groll | pff brag :P |
| 21:54.06 | Industrial | 20 mbit down, 3-4 up or something |
| 21:54.09 | groll | just brag :P |
| 21:54.22 | Industrial | nope, they already offer it here (amsterdam) |
| 21:54.28 | Industrial | for like 40 euros a month |
| 21:54.31 | Industrial | :E |
| 21:54.59 | groll | i pay like $10 a month for my shared 100mbit :D |
| 21:55.14 | groll | although that ends up in being about 1-4mbit down and 1mbit up |
| 21:55.24 | Industrial | o_O |
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| 21:56.53 | Industrial | lo MoonWolf |
| 21:57.01 | MoonWolf | hello again Industrial |
| 21:57.10 | Industrial | ; |
| 21:57.11 | MoonWolf | and the rest ofcourse. |
| 21:57.13 | Industrial | ;) |
| 21:57.52 | Cair | hey MoonWolf :) |
| 21:57.59 | MoonWolf | hey cair. |
| 21:58.11 | MoonWolf | did someone think anything totally awesome while i was not here ? |
| 21:58.15 | Cair | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 21:58.24 | groll | haha |
| 21:58.34 | MoonWolf | oh yeah , that :P |
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| 21:58.59 | groll | Cair u kinda like it right? :p |
| 21:59.04 | Cair | hehehehe |
| 22:05.05 | futrtrubl | interesting, I'm watching a startrek next gen episode with a race called the Cairren |
| 22:05.34 | Industrial | yea rightt |
| 22:05.38 | Industrial | -_^ |
| 22:05.38 | Beladona | haha |
| 22:05.49 | Ktron | Are those the people who live in a kind of paradise? |
| 22:05.49 | futrtrubl | it's on Spike right now |
| 22:06.06 | futrtrubl | telepaths who communicate through images |
| 22:06.08 | Industrial | define Spike |
| 22:06.14 | futrtrubl | Spike TV |
| 22:06.20 | Beladona | thank god for pip on my computer monitor (tv) |
| 22:06.26 | Ktron | Oh, the episode where Deanna finds out about her sister and her mother goes crazy? |
| 22:07.12 | futrtrubl | don't know, it just started, deana's mother is trying to hook her up again |
| 22:07.43 | Industrial | *sees some old hag with a BIG hook running behind some girl trying to slash her with it* |
| 22:07.55 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 22:08.17 | futrtrubl | Majel Rodenberry is truely some old hag |
| 22:08.26 | futrtrubl | and a hack for that matter |
| 22:08.44 | Tain | Majel's fine, it's Berman who you have to worry about. |
| 22:08.58 | futrtrubl | it's back |
| 22:09.11 | Beladona | ol |
| 22:10.06 | Beladona | Berman is infamous for the broad sweeping story arcs that have ruined the newer star treks |
| 22:17.37 | Industrial | groll: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/stuff/untitled.PNG |
| 22:17.44 | Industrial | groll: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/stuff/untitled1.PNG |
| 22:17.51 | Industrial | groll: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/stuff/untitled2.PNG |
| 22:17.52 | Industrial | :p |
| 22:17.58 | Industrial | i need much more |
| 22:18.00 | Industrial | but im lazy |
| 22:18.03 | Industrial | i have no time to wodnloadf |
| 22:18.06 | Industrial | :E |
| 22:38.09 | Cair | night sarf, sweet dreams |
| 22:38.16 | sarf|sleep | Thanks :) |
| 22:39.37 | groll | Industrial ya u need a lot more..industrial stuff :p |
| 22:40.17 | Industrial | groll: i know working on it atm |
| 22:40.33 | Industrial | groll: do you have "cesium 137 - regrets" ? |
| 22:40.36 | Industrial | (album) |
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| 22:43.07 | Ge0_ | am I the only one finding the Why Lua thread hysterical? |
| 22:43.12 | Cair | nope |
| 22:43.31 | Beladona | its been pounded into the dirt. |
| 22:43.38 | groll | Industrial |
| 22:43.47 | Beladona | and then exumed again, several times |
| 22:43.50 | Industrial | groll: |
| 22:43.52 | groll | heffe.mine.nu login as mp3 and pass 123456 |
| 22:43.54 | Cair | and is still amusing |
| 22:44.00 | Industrial | ;O |
| 22:44.02 | groll | and check both c and d |
| 22:44.05 | Industrial | k |
| 22:44.06 | Cair | in a sad pathetic kinda way |
| 22:44.18 | Ge0_ | the troll who started it is rather humerous |
| 22:44.22 | groll | btw check so u got access to d directly heh |
| 22:44.25 | Cair | yeah, that's what I mean |
| 22:45.14 | Ge0_ | his, oh VB is great standpoint ... leads me to belive he's never done more than Hello World in some 9th grade programming class at his high school, probably taught by a math teacher ... (or even better an english teacher) |
| 22:46.50 | Tekkub | but VB is so easy, why would anyone need anything else? |
| 22:46.58 | Tekkub | *ducks* |
| 22:47.46 | futrtrubl | Qbasic |
| 22:48.23 | futrtrubl | the Cairren are amusing |
| 22:48.27 | Ge0_ | they should make the UI all ASM just to piss people like that off |
| 22:48.28 | Ge0_ | ;) |
| 22:48.41 | Beladona | I kind of wish people would stop posting |
| 22:48.48 | Beladona | the OP stopped 3 pages ago |
| 22:48.54 | Ge0_ | and then you have to write 2-3 diffrent versions of your UI for Win, Mac, Linux ... |
| 22:49.00 | Tekkub | hell lets bootstrap VB so that VB runs ON VB and convert the world to VB, thus alowing anyone who bearly grasps programming to flood the world with code and it'll all be good |
| 22:49.23 | Tekkub | oh and lets encourage editing Blizzy's frameKML's too |
| 22:49.25 | Astryl | Any idea where Fangtooth went? |
| 22:49.32 | Astryl | Different role in Blizz? Left Blizz? |
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| 22:52.50 | Cair | no idea Astryl |
| 22:53.12 | Cair | can probably find out though, if you really want to know |
| 22:54.19 | Astryl | Yeah, that'd be cool. |
| 22:54.19 | Iriel | Off home.. see you all later! |
| 22:54.43 | Astryl | ironically, I had a dream about him last night. |
| 22:54.51 | Astryl | (Not *that* kind of dream, sickos) |
| 22:56.14 | digix | rofl |
| 22:57.05 | Astryl | Met him at some school, he remembered me from when I met him at BlizzCon, we hung out for a while, walking down the school halls. |
| 22:57.23 | groll | meeeh bored :S |
| 22:57.30 | Tekkub | and then in the lockerroom.... |
| 22:57.32 | groll | i'll go watch http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi again :D |
| 22:57.37 | Tekkub | bowchickabowwow |
| 22:57.46 | digix | that seems like it would end in some crazy stalker murderer kinda thing |
| 22:58.06 | Astryl | Which happened to be quite crowded, because the school was doing some weird promotion where they had vending machines set up that spit out piles of chopped up pop cans, that you could recycle, in effect donating to recycling. |
| 22:58.32 | Astryl | lol, ok I shouldn't have mentioned anything to you freaks. Heh |
| 22:58.40 | digix | lol |
| 22:58.44 | digix | prolly not |
| 22:59.44 | digix | frickin sweet..... time to go home... |
| 23:03.40 | Osagasu | you know that's an old song, right? |
| 23:03.49 | Cair | what is? |
| 23:03.49 | groll | ya but darn fun :D |
| 23:03.56 | Osagasu | for PORN! |
| 23:04.00 | Cair | oh .. yeah |
| 23:04.49 | Osagasu | "normal people don't sit at home and look at home for porn on the internet" |
| 23:04.53 | Osagasu | Like hell. |
| 23:04.59 | Osagasu | *sit at home |
| 23:05.16 | Osagasu | or whatever |
| 23:05.20 | Astryl | heh |
| 23:05.55 | Cair | lol, making out my "christmas wish list" to give to family since they want suggestions ... Sweaters, Sweatshirts, New watch, Computer chair, computer graphics drawing tablet/pen ... few million dollars ... hot Latino guy ... |
| 23:05.56 | Beladona | porn |
| 23:05.56 | groll | latino? :O |
| 23:05.56 | Osagasu | that's what the hot latino guy is for |
| 23:06.01 | Cair | mmmmrowl |
| 23:06.12 | Beladona | how Latino must he be |
| 23:06.21 | Beladona | I mean, I can act Latino |
| 23:06.23 | Osagasu | she wants to make porn with him |
| 23:06.25 | Beladona | jk |
| 23:06.31 | Cair | Latino enough to know how to dance and make love |
| 23:06.37 | Cair | ;) |
| 23:06.37 | Osagasu | I can get a tan and look latino. |
| 23:06.46 | Tekkub | *rawr* I like latine bears |
| 23:06.52 | groll | fuck latino.. i can dance without being latino :D |
| 23:06.52 | Tekkub | latino* |
| 23:06.53 | Beladona | darn, you ruined it when you said dance |
| 23:07.14 | Cair | I mean, hell, it's a Christmas Wish List ... may as well list the money and guys ... ;) |
| 23:07.28 | Beladona | you are missing something |
| 23:07.33 | Beladona | something crucial |
| 23:07.43 | Cair | o.O |
| 23:07.44 | Beladona | no wish list is complete without it |
| 23:07.47 | Beladona | Alcohol |
| 23:07.55 | Cair | you can get that with the money |
| 23:07.56 | Depherios | what if you're a teetotaller? |
| 23:07.57 | Osagasu | Cair is the only woman I know that has whined that she doesn't get enough. |
| 23:08.00 | Beladona | true |
| 23:08.04 | Cair | I don't! |
| 23:08.09 | groll | who does! |
| 23:08.11 | Astryl | Pfft, my gf says that too. |
| 23:08.15 | Beladona | enough? |
| 23:08.18 | Osagasu | let her have her latino guy. |
| 23:08.19 | Beladona | is there a such thing? |
| 23:08.25 | groll | hehe nope :D |
| 23:08.26 | Cair | Beladona: no |
| 23:08.27 | Astryl | Here's to Alcohol! The cause of, and the solution to, all of life's problems! |
| 23:08.35 | groll | PORN! |
| 23:08.35 | groll | :D |
| 23:08.37 | MoonWolf | enough, alcohol.. does not compute |
| 23:08.45 | Beladona | well, I was talking about sex |
| 23:08.49 | Beladona | but that too |
| 23:08.55 | MoonWolf | enough sex, well that i can imagine |
| 23:08.56 | Astryl | Wait, yeah, I was talking about sex too. |
| 23:09.00 | Cair | hey! that's right, it's friday night |
| 23:09.23 | Beladona | enough sex is when it kills you you've had so much |
| 23:09.34 | Tekkub | I gotta get wine tonight |
| 23:09.49 | Tekkub | advice for filet mignon? |
| 23:09.49 | groll | no not kill cause then u cant get more.. enough is when u faint :D |
| 23:09.59 | Osagasu | I've seen it happen Bela, its no laughing matter |
| 23:10.02 | groll | for that day i mean |
| 23:10.22 | Tekkub | I'm a wine noob, I like it but I don't know what I like |
| 23:10.26 | groll | Osagasu u mean u had someone die in ur bed from to much sex? :O |
| 23:10.27 | Astryl | Cair is the mythical "good looking, single, female, computer nerd, that wants more sex". Therefore, Cair doesn't exist. |
| 23:10.32 | Tekkub | I know I genarraly like sweeter wines |
| 23:10.37 | Osagasu | you basically die of strain and exhaustion. |
| 23:10.55 | groll | Astryl haha that was so true.. she must be in all our imagination :D |
| 23:11.07 | Osagasu | just don't ask |
| 23:11.23 | Astryl | Well, actually, what am I saying. I know that they exist... My girlfriend was one! |
| 23:11.25 | Tekkub | cair's got kiddies though, don't that break the fantasy? |
| 23:11.30 | Osagasu | no, its only mythical if she's in her 20s |
| 23:11.39 | Tekkub | or at least one.. I don't know the dotails :) |
| 23:11.43 | Beladona | Cair isn't single |
| 23:11.56 | Astryl | I say was, because my gf obviously isn't single anymore. |
| 23:12.17 | Tekkub | yea wait cair's got a ring we talkod about that before |
| 23:12.20 | Tekkub | you lie! |
| 23:12.30 | Astryl | Oh? She's with someone, and has kids? Pfft, she's just a "good looking, female, computer nerd", nevermind. |
| 23:12.52 | Tekkub | that mean's she's also ugly and male |
| 23:12.57 | Astryl | Heh. |
| 23:12.59 | groll | lol so gonna paste this on my guildforum :D |
| 23:13.09 | Osagasu | Cair is not only not single, she has a line of... 43+ men of various ages waiting in line for the oppurtinuty to kill off her husband. |
| 23:13.20 | Beladona | !!!! |
| 23:13.22 | Astryl | Actually, to be fair, I'm just guessing on the 'good looking' part. |
| 23:13.32 | Beladona | now THAT was funny |
| 23:13.51 | Tekkub | and I'm guessing on the "she's a chubby bearded nerdo" since I like bears ^^ |
| 23:14.04 | Astryl | Heh |
| 23:14.20 | Cair | lemme 'splain .... no, that'll take too long, lemme sum up |
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| 23:14.37 | Astryl | Heh |
| 23:14.38 | Tekkub | I don't know which will amuse her more.. you guys turning her into your fantasy or me twisting her into mine |
| 23:14.41 | Osagasu | canucks aren't allowed to 'splain, so its all good |
| 23:14.43 | Guillotine | hey cair. whats with the new avatar? |
| 23:14.55 | Osagasu | its CHRISTMAS TIME! |
| 23:14.58 | Osagasu | yeesh Guil |
| 23:15.11 | Tekkub | her new avy is a boosmy wench! |
| 23:15.18 | Tekkub | more grog wench! |
| 23:15.49 | Cair | hubby = living and working in NYC for the last 4 years ... me = living in Ottawa ... us together = at best 4 times a year ... able to find anyone (locally) willing to have an affair with me? nope .... enough sex? HAH, riiiight |
| 23:16.02 | Tekkub | so to regress... tell me what wine to get to go with filet mignon you bishies |
| 23:16.19 | Cair | Tekkub: if you were local, I'd say a nice ice wine |
| 23:16.23 | groll | Cair so ur saying your looking for an affair? :O:P |
| 23:16.28 | Tekkub | affair? OMG! open relationship? |
| 23:16.38 | Tekkub | ice? |
| 23:16.55 | Osagasu | Tekkub, look it up, noob. |
| 23:17.03 | Tekkub | too lazy |
| 23:17.08 | Astryl | Cair... Webcams. |
| 23:17.10 | Astryl | Seriously. |
| 23:17.15 | Tekkub | anywho..... |
| 23:17.21 | Osagasu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Wine |
| 23:17.28 | Tekkub | I don't like merlots much, something sweeter |
| 23:17.37 | Cair | Tekkub: http://www.inniskillin.com/index.asp |
| 23:17.41 | Cair | Ice Wine |
| 23:17.43 | Osagasu | ice wine is sweet usually |
| 23:17.44 | Tekkub | oooo |
| 23:17.49 | Tekkub | sounds good |
| 23:17.54 | Guillotine | wait cair- your saying that your LOOKING for someone to have an affair with you? |
| 23:17.55 | Cair | no "usually" about it Osagasu |
| 23:17.55 | Astryl | My gf and I logged literally thousands of hours on webcams, when I lived in WA and she lived in CA. |
| 23:17.57 | Tekkub | I need to learn to make Mead |
| 23:18.01 | Tekkub | I think I'd like Mead |
| 23:18.04 | Astryl | I've since moved down to CA, though. |
| 23:18.05 | Cair | Mead is nice |
| 23:18.17 | Osagasu | I had a sour ice wine once. I'm not sure where they went wrong. |
| 23:18.25 | Cair | ewww |
| 23:18.28 | groll | Astryl we dont wanna know about your internet porn stuff with ur gf ;D |
| 23:18.30 | Cair | that would be nasty |
| 23:18.38 | Guillotine | cair, why don't you just move to NYC? I'm sure you can run WoWI from there... |
| 23:18.48 | Cair | daughter = grade 12 |
| 23:18.55 | Guillotine | leave her |
| 23:18.59 | Tekkub | Canada > US |
| 23:18.59 | Beladona | doh! |
| 23:19.01 | groll | ok i'm getting a bit to tired so i should prolly go to sleep before i derail :P |
| 23:19.02 | Guillotine | shes old enough to live aloen |
| 23:19.06 | Osagasu | she's a senior in HS? |
| 23:19.07 | Guillotine | *giggles* |
| 23:19.14 | Astryl | 45555555rf |
| 23:19.25 | Tekkub | make him move his hairy ass from NYC |
| 23:19.29 | Osagasu | Damn, she's my age |
| 23:19.29 | Astryl | sdfaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa;'[ |
| 23:19.38 | Astryl | Bah, sorry, kitten attack. |
| 23:19.42 | Cair | heheheh |
| 23:19.45 | Guillotine | lol. is it wierd finding out one of your friends is old enough to be your mother Osagasu? |
| 23:19.46 | Osagasu | owned by furry. |
| 23:19.53 | Osagasu | not really |
| 23:19.59 | Guillotine | me neither |
| 23:20.08 | Osagasu | I have friends old enough to be my grandmother in some cases. |
| 23:20.20 | Tekkub | kittens are evil EVIL! |
| 23:20.24 | Guillotine | '[p;lkjuygbvfgtredxsewaz |
| 23:20.28 | Guillotine | sry. spider on the keyboard |
| 23:20.39 | Cair | Astryl: http://www.sinulator.com/ |
| 23:20.43 | Astryl | Spiders, ewww... |
| 23:20.43 | Cair | NOT work safe |
| 23:20.53 | Tekkub | I know, I once woke up to 6 freshly made ones right next to me in my bed |
| 23:21.20 | Beladona | uhh, that website is just -- wrong |
| 23:21.31 | Astryl | If something rips one of my legs off, you can bet I'm going to be hiding in a corner, crying, begging for mercy, or simply passed out, or just dead. |
| 23:21.32 | Osagasu | that's fucking awesome. |
| 23:21.32 | Guillotine | ya. cair. we didnt need to see that |
| 23:21.43 | Beladona | remote controlled sexual encounters |
| 23:21.46 | Astryl | For something you *really* don't need to see... |
| 23:21.47 | Cair | hey, I warned you :p |
| 23:21.49 | Beladona | whats wrong with this picture? |
| 23:21.53 | Astryl | www.tubgirl.com |
| 23:21.56 | Cair | EWWWW |
| 23:21.59 | Cair | Astryl! |
| 23:22.01 | Osagasu | don't click that |
| 23:22.02 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Astryl!n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] by Cair (Cair) |
| 23:22.03 | Tekkub | ugh |
| 23:22.12 | Beladona | think I will stick with the old fashioned up close and personal vresion |
| 23:22.17 | Tekkub | AND DON'T COME BACK AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
| 23:22.19 | Osagasu | at least he didn't post goatse or meatspin. |
| 23:22.24 | Cair | ewwwwww |
| 23:22.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Astryl (n=Astryl@69.110.214.18) |
| 23:22.39 | Tekkub | why isn't he coming back? /cry |
| 23:22.41 | Astryl | Ow. |
| 23:22.42 | Osagasu | Kickem again1 |
| 23:22.43 | Tekkub | oh there |
| 23:23.00 | Cair | btw, osagasu? for mentioning the other ones ... |
| 23:23.03 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Osagasu!n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] by Cair (Cair) |
| 23:23.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=NOYB@rhhe10-109.2wcm.comporium.net) |
| 23:23.13 | Osagasu | <--has A-R |
| 23:23.23 | Cair | <-- has /ban |
| 23:23.38 | Cair | :p |
| 23:23.40 | Tekkub | everyone smack Ast! |
| 23:23.46 | Astryl | Heh, I told you you didn't need to go there. |
| 23:23.49 | Ktron | perl, kill Astryl |
| 23:23.53 | Cair | naw, don't want to get him all excited |
| 23:24.00 | Ktron | perl, smack Astryl |
| 23:24.04 | Tekkub | and now I go to the store okeyladyIloveyoubuhbye |
| 23:24.05 | Ktron | bad perl |
| 23:24.07 | Astryl | Heh, thanks Cair. |
| 23:24.09 | Cair | later Tekkub |
| 23:24.11 | Cair | ;) |
| 23:24.19 | Codayus | On an unrelated note, I see the "Why Lua" thread on the Bliz forums is still going. |
| 23:24.22 | Beladona | you can find a lot of weird websites if you just type random phrases in your internet browser |
| 23:24.23 | Codayus | ...and is still deeply stupid. |
| 23:24.26 | Codayus | *sigh* |
| 23:24.27 | Cair | still? |
| 23:24.27 | Astryl | Is it? That's so stupid. |
| 23:24.37 | Ktron | purl, smack Astryl |
| 23:24.38 | purl | ACTION smacks Astryl upside the head. |
| 23:24.45 | Astryl | mmmm, kinky. |
| 23:24.51 | futrtrubl | check out the adds at http://www.benocturnal.com/ |
| 23:24.52 | Astryl | purl, smack Astryl |
| 23:24.53 | purl | ACTION smacks Astryl upside the head. |
| 23:25.10 | Cair | just a warning for those of you that have only started hanging out in the channel this week |
| 23:25.15 | Ktron | m? |
| 23:25.24 | Ktron | I've been in and out, so it might be relevant to me |
| 23:25.25 | Cair | Friday and Saturday nights = Cair (and others) drinking |
| 23:25.32 | Codayus | Heh |
| 23:25.40 | Cair | thus, channel = gutter |
| 23:25.40 | Beladona | you should bold others |
| 23:25.45 | Beladona | and capitalize |
| 23:25.50 | Beladona | because its probably a lot of us |
| 23:25.58 | Astryl | OKie. |
| 23:26.13 | Beladona | anyone ever tried Tilt? |
| 23:26.17 | Osagasu | channel is always in the gutter |
| 23:26.22 | Cair | not always |
| 23:26.26 | Ktron | purl, friday night? |
| 23:26.27 | purl | [friday night] drinking night for Cair! |
| 23:26.28 | Guillotine | well, its always crazy |
| 23:26.40 | Beladona | Tilt = energy drink + alcohol |
| 23:26.40 | Cair | crazy, yes, gutter no |
| 23:26.41 | Osagasu | Cair, where are the WoWI servers hosted? |
| 23:26.50 | Guillotine | dont tell him! |
| 23:26.54 | Guillotine | hes going to steal them! |
| 23:27.09 | Cair | Osagasu: why? |
| 23:27.11 | Osagasu | no, I'm wondering who forgot to block DNS lookups for the server |
| 23:27.21 | Cair | 'scuse me? |
| 23:27.27 | Guillotine | hes a payed hit man from worldofwar.net |
| 23:27.39 | Guillotine | i just know it |
| 23:27.47 | Astryl | MDX looks cool. |
| 23:28.21 | Cair | Osagasu: huh? |
| 23:28.27 | Osagasu | h/o |
| 23:28.40 | Osagasu | Because I just looked up the IP address for the website. |
| 23:28.59 | Beladona | and that is a problem why? |
| 23:29.11 | Cair | precisely |
| 23:29.18 | Osagasu | there's an option that disallows trace routing to a server... thus removing some cheap scriptkiddie's ability to DDOS it |
| 23:29.22 | Guillotine | 65.98.55.102 Not that hard |
| 23:29.30 | Guillotine | im sure its protected |
| 23:29.45 | Guillotine | *doesn't know from personal experience* |
| 23:30.02 | Beladona | it doesn't matter, you get ip addresses for most sites you do a dns lookup on |
| 23:30.12 | Guillotine | *looks around innocently* |
| 23:30.16 | Astryl | I recall another of those twisted websites, where it was the pic of some cute girl, then as you scrolled down, there were more pics, where she took off more and more clothing in each one... And then in the last one, you see that she's got a dick. |
| 23:30.22 | Beladona | in most cases it is just a border router anyway with traffic forwarded to the actual internal ip |
| 23:30.34 | Astryl | Totally frelled my boss up with that one, he hates me to this day for that. :) |
| 23:30.42 | Astryl | But, for the life of me, I can't recall where it was. |
| 23:30.42 | Guillotine | ya. wowinterface is protected from things like telnet ect. |
| 23:31.02 | Beladona | its not the only server on that net |
| 23:31.08 | Beladona | there are many others |
| 23:32.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Dolby-wowi (i=user@CPE-65-29-190-186.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 23:32.20 | *** mode/#WoWI-lounge [+o Dolby-wowi] by ChanServ |
| 23:32.36 | Cair | Osagasu: that's who you want to talk to about it :p |
| 23:32.44 | Osagasu | no matter |
| 23:32.52 | Cair | too late, I made him join the channel |
| 23:32.55 | Osagasu | I'm just poking around, no big deal |
| 23:33.31 | Beladona | hehe |
| 23:33.38 | Osagasu | <--Associate in Computer Technology, network specialization |
| 23:33.45 | Beladona | hey Osa, what do you use to query? |
| 23:33.52 | kergoth | Osagasu: are you suggesting that they drop inbound icmp? |
| 23:34.11 | Cair | Osagasu: you'll damn well explain yourself, since I went to the bother of making him join the channel and he went to the bother of doing so :p |
| 23:34.20 | Cair | ~smack Osagasu |
| 23:34.21 | purl | ACTION smacks Osagasu upside the head. |
| 23:35.02 | Beladona | lol |
| 23:35.27 | Guillotine | i just used cmd prompt nslookup to query it. not sure what osagasu is saying is the problem though |
| 23:35.47 | Guillotine | I tried telnetting and a couple other things and wowinterface is protected from all of them |
| 23:35.54 | Guillotine | so there doesn't seem to be a security problem |
| 23:36.06 | Beladona | http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=wowinterface.com |
| 23:37.09 | Osagasu | ~smack self |
| 23:37.10 | purl | ACTION smacks self upside the head. |
| 23:37.14 | Osagasu | aww |
| 23:38.25 | Osagasu | well the IP is controlled by Pegasus Web Technologies, whoever that is. |
| 23:39.00 | Osagasu | some unpronouncable name, NJ\ |
| 23:39.02 | Dolby-wowi | PWT is FortressITX a datacenter in NJ |
| 23:39.30 | Dolby-wowi | its a new datacenter |
| 23:40.12 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 23:41.19 | Beladona | <--- confused. I can see all that info in the whois |
| 23:41.28 | Beladona | still don't see the issue |
| 23:41.35 | Osagasu | no iddue |
| 23:41.37 | Osagasu | *issue |
| 23:41.49 | Osagasu | I was thinking it was a direct IP, which it isn't |
| 23:42.12 | Beladona | ~ smack Osagasu |
| 23:42.13 | purl | ACTION smacks Osagasu upside the head. |
| 23:42.14 | Beladona | oops |
| 23:42.16 | Cair | so Dolby, luv, you working tonight |
| 23:42.17 | Beladona | hehe |
| 23:42.18 | kergoth | "direct"? |
| 23:42.30 | Cair | ? |
| 23:42.38 | kergoth | "direct ip" is a meaningless phrase. an ip is an ip. |
| 23:42.49 | Osagasu | direct to the server |
| 23:42.57 | Osagasu | ~slap kergoth |
| 23:42.58 | purl | ACTION slaps kergoth, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 23:43.14 | kergoth | you mean you thought the server had a live ip, not a private one, and as such, isnt accessible only via port forwards |
| 23:43.16 | Ktron | I wish I remembered how to teach purl new tricks, like slap and smack and alrt |
| 23:43.18 | Ktron | *lart |
| 23:43.22 | kergoth | if thats what you mean, thats what you should say :P |
| 23:43.39 | Osagasu | I never said I was smart |
| 23:43.45 | Cair | smrt! |
| 23:44.06 | Cair | hey, you! |
| 23:44.08 | Beladona | shop smart! Shop, S-MART! |
| 23:44.12 | Osagasu | I've only taken CCNA classes. I know how private networks work, not THE network. |
| 23:44.18 | Dolby-wowi | working at home today cair :) |
| 23:44.37 | Beladona | its cool Osa |
| 23:44.38 | Cair | cool, stop working, it's Friday night, start drinking, and stay in channel to play with us :) |
| 23:44.43 | Beladona | we were just wondering what you were talking about |
| 23:44.51 | Cair | Osagasu: we're just giving you a rough time hun |
| 23:44.57 | Dolby-wowi | gonna head out for dinner with some friends later though |
| 23:45.11 | Cair | you thought there was the potential for a real problem and checked ... that is appreciated :) |
| 23:45.13 | Beladona | some of us actually run networks, so we can always set you straight ;-) |
| 23:45.29 | Cair | Dolby-wowi: nooooooo, stay and play wif me! |
| 23:45.40 | Beladona | Dolby works too much |
| 23:45.53 | kergoth | meh, i cant do much drinking, need to pick up my little bro from a dance at his high school later |
| 23:46.00 | Cair | bah |
| 23:46.03 | Cair | how old? |
| 23:46.09 | Beladona | you know, I never heard back about my file moderation problem in the staff forums... |
| 23:46.09 | kergoth | 15 |
| 23:46.14 | Beladona | hint hint |
| 23:46.14 | Cair | high school? tell 'em to catch a cab |
| 23:46.24 | Cair | you still having probs Bela? |
| 23:46.37 | Cair | will set up work-around |
| 23:46.39 | Beladona | hang on, lemme check again |
| 23:47.04 | Beladona | well, I WOULD check |
| 23:47.09 | Beladona | if there was a file to moderate |
| 23:47.24 | Cair | heh |
| 23:47.48 | Beladona | anyone have an addon to update? huh? huh? well? |
| 23:47.57 | Beladona | <whines> |
| 23:48.06 | Guillotine | well, i dont know if WoWI wants my leeroy addon... |
| 23:48.20 | Beladona | ehh |
| 23:48.20 | Guillotine | im only keeping it up on curse b/c ppl are still msging me asking for updates :/ |
| 23:48.26 | Guillotine | its really the stupidest addon ever |
| 23:48.30 | Beladona | what is it? |
| 23:48.36 | kergoth | i should release an addon sometime, rather than just doing perverse things in lua |
| 23:48.50 | Guillotine | when you type /leeroy it yells LEEEERROOOOY JEEEEENNNKIIINS and plays the audio of him yelling it from the movie |
| 23:49.09 | Beladona | as soon as I get my compares done I am updating my dreamweaver plugin |
| 23:49.09 | Guillotine | and has /leeroy chicken for "least i got chicken" |
| 23:49.30 | Guillotine | so is that useless or what... |
| 23:49.35 | Beladona | just a bit |
| 23:50.03 | Beladona | we don't have anything against addons like that though, do we Cair? |
| 23:50.17 | Cair | nope |
| 23:50.18 | Dolby-wowi | Bela, sorry I didnt post. worked with Kaelten and he posted on your thread that it should be resolved |
| 23:50.24 | Beladona | ahh |
| 23:50.27 | Cair | dolby, no it didn't |
| 23:50.35 | Beladona | ok, well lemme check before I say any more |
| 23:50.42 | Cair | I've gone in and manually added them as moderators |
| 23:50.48 | Beladona | will post there if it works or not |
| 23:50.49 | Cair | to the various cats |
| 23:51.00 | Guillotine | cats? |
| 23:51.02 | Guillotine | i like cats |
| 23:51.07 | Cair | I just did the same to you Bela, so it's gonna work |
| 23:51.08 | Beladona | categories |
| 23:51.12 | Guillotine | oh |
| 23:51.13 | Beladona | kk cool |
| 23:51.13 | Cair | even though it might not, otherwise |
| 23:51.33 | Guillotine | what sound do these *categories* make? |
| 23:52.08 | Cair | download categories on the site, Guillotine |
| 23:52.36 | Guillotine | what sound do these down low cat egories make? |
| 23:52.40 | Beladona | purl, hug Guillotine |
| 23:52.41 | purl | ACTION hugs Guillotine |
| 23:52.47 | Cair | lol |
| 23:52.58 | Guillotine | is it still meow? |
| 23:53.05 | Cair | nope |
| 23:53.13 | Beladona | rawr |
| 23:53.19 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 23:53.51 | Guillotine | gryphen, why is it that you only ever say anything when someone says rawr? |
| 23:53.56 | Beladona | Cair, you need an avatar like mine |
| 23:54.00 | Beladona | =P |
| 23:54.06 | Guillotine | i dont really like cair's new avatar |
| 23:54.10 | Industrial | i like cairs avatar :> |
| 23:54.12 | Gryphen | cause im escared |
| 23:54.36 | Beladona | he reponds to other things as well |
| 23:54.40 | Beladona | similar to purl |
| 23:55.01 | Guillotine | wait- gryphen's a bot? |
| 23:55.42 | Cair | I know, I'm thinking I should just change back to my old avatar, no one likes my new one |
| 23:55.55 | Guillotine | omg! gryphen is a bot! |
| 23:55.59 | Gryphen | sometimes |
| 23:56.05 | Guillotine | ahhh! |
| 23:56.05 | Beladona | I have some you should look at |
| 23:56.08 | Beladona | Cair |
| 23:56.09 | Guillotine | its a smart bot! |
| 23:56.28 | Guillotine | hey cair, i can make a morphing pic of you. your avatar -> your picture |
| 23:56.32 | Cair | Gryphen isn't a bot |
| 23:56.34 | Cair | NO |
| 23:56.37 | Cair | NO NO NO NO |
| 23:56.40 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 23:56.40 | Gryphen | i need oil |
| 23:56.42 | Guillotine | ok. maybe not |
| 23:56.44 | Beladona | those pictures caused her enough problems |
| 23:56.51 | Guillotine | i know :/ |
| 23:56.53 | Legorol | g'evening... |
| 23:56.54 | Cair | meh |
| 23:56.58 | Cair | hey Legorol :) |
| 23:57.08 | Beladona | I can superimpose a jedi hood over your face and make you look estoic /wink |
| 23:57.12 | Legorol | how is the world of UI spinning tonight? |
| 23:57.17 | Ktron | purl, poke Gryphen |
| 23:57.18 | purl | but then who will poke the pokers, ktron? Kolth? |
| 23:57.23 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 23:57.39 | Kolth | What the! |
| 23:57.40 | Cair | Hey Leg? It's Friday night, we're all starting to drink and drop the channel down into the gutter, come play with us :) |
| 23:57.54 | Guillotine | hey cair, whats your admin password? |
| 23:57.58 | Guillotine | nope. not drunk enough yet |
| 23:58.05 | Cair | not fucking likely Guillotine |
| 23:58.05 | Guillotine | she didnt answer |
| 23:58.09 | *** kick/#WoWI-lounge [Guillotine!n=Beladona@115-60.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] by Beladona (Kick) |
| 23:58.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 23:58.13 | Beladona | lol |
| 23:58.27 | Guillotine | woohoo! |
| 23:58.29 | Guillotine | again! |
| 23:58.31 | Guillotine | again! |
| 23:58.43 | Cair | Hey Leg? It's Friday night, we're all starting to drink and drop the channel down into the gutter, come play with us :) |
| 23:58.49 | Legorol | yah i saw that |
| 23:58.53 | Legorol | i'm all for the playing bit... |
| 23:58.57 | Legorol | what server? or channel? ;-) |
| 23:59.04 | Legorol | no drinking for me though |
| 23:59.07 | Cair | this channel, this server ;) |
| 23:59.09 | Legorol | staying on coke |
| 23:59.13 | Legorol | not even in WoW? |
| 23:59.14 | Legorol | :( |
| 23:59.19 | Legorol | what other kind of playing is there.. |
| 23:59.25 | Legorol | WoW > everything else, of course |
| 23:59.36 | Legorol | well, maybe not *everything*, i can think of a few things to play |
| 23:59.48 | Legorol | for example, tag |
| 23:59.54 | Legorol | you're it! |
