irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20051210

00:00.05Guillotinerather than having to get the itemID first
00:00.32Guillotinebut I still can't figure out how to get item info
00:01.36Irielwhat's the item? Are you sure it's in your local cache?
00:01.38Temyeah, It's me that's doing the tab complete
00:01.51Anduin|Whocool, tell me when u get it workign
00:02.27kergothi cant wait to have that tab completion.  i use it constantly elsewhere
00:02.28Temprobably tonight.  I'm sick of tyring to tab complete in wow and it not working
00:04.08Guillotineiriel: ya. its in my inventory
00:04.42Guillotineare you there Kremonte?
00:06.00kremontei am now
00:06.02kremontelol, sorry, i was in AB
00:09.58Malivilwhoa
00:10.02Malivili've been gone a long time
00:10.05MalivilHey, everyone
00:10.07MalivilWhat's up?
00:10.12Ktron|WSGhey Malivil
00:11.51GuillotineROFL when i linked my group my Heathstone of the Gorilla, someone linked me [Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros STUPID HUNTER ITEM WITH A PROC]. Apparently our links are sticking around in people's lootlinks :)
00:12.09Malivilo.O
00:12.12Guillotineits funny seeing my spoofed links traveling around the server
00:12.13MalivilHuh?
00:12.34Nomad_WandererDoesn't a spoofed Itemlink cause a disco?
00:12.43Guillotinenot if you do it correctly :)
00:12.44Anduin|Whojust a diff suffix
00:12.50Guillotinekremonte and I have an addon that can spoof item links. and now stats too
00:12.53Guillotineand enchants
00:12.58Malivilreally?
00:13.01Guillotineyup
00:13.04MalivilThat's cool
00:13.06Malivillol
00:13.14Malivillemme guess, not for public release?
00:13.20Ktron|WSGI have the spoof enchant script yet
00:13.25Guillotineof course. lol. slouken already said he would kill us
00:13.29Guillotineif we released it
00:13.30Malivillol
00:14.01Guillotineand they'd have to add in link checking. which would make more lag on servers. and he said when ppl complained about lag he'd give them our home adress :) something like that at least
00:14.11Nomad_WandererIt's stupid to do that. All you would do is cause blizzard to lock things down more. You're not doing enough of a job tho if the links are making it out in to the wild.
00:14.12Malivilhaha
00:14.19MalivilGood reason to not release it =-PP
00:15.07Malivilui.worldofwar.net's download counters annoy me
00:15.15Malivili want to know how many downloads i REALLY have
00:16.07Cairiirc 8 = 1, or something like that
00:16.41Malivilnope
00:16.45Malivili have 482 downloads
00:16.50Malivilthat would mean it was really 60.25
00:16.59Malivilclose though
00:17.01kergothmy first zg run tonight, wish me luck
00:17.03kergoth:)
00:17.06Malivilg'luck
00:17.10Malivili'm level 49
00:17.12Malivili need to do mar
00:17.14Cairgood luck kergoth!
00:19.01Ktron|WSGit's itemid:itemenchant:itemsuffix: right?
00:28.41BeladonaOMG
00:28.47EndOMG?
00:28.57Beladonaremember that house with the christmas lights that was syched to music?
00:29.03Anduin|Whoya
00:29.03Beladonasynched
00:29.22Beladonathe police made him take it down, because two cars hit each other head on in front of it
00:29.27Beladonalol
00:29.28Anduin|WhoLOL
00:29.38Beladonahttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178023,00.html
00:29.50CairOMG
00:31.27Anduin|Whowow..
00:31.56kergothdamn, thats crazy
00:32.02Anduin|Whoodd tho cause the balian mansion here in pasadena,ca  used to have traffic problems and they never got shut down..
00:32.09Grypheni spend too much time on the net when news posted the same day seems ancient
00:32.34GenNMX_Can UNIT_HEALTH and/or UNIT_MANA ever have nil for arg1?
00:32.37Cairbtw Beladona http://www.extremefunnypictures.com/funnypic1200.htm
00:34.11Nomad_WandererInteresting. I'm getting castTime Errors in castTime 1.7.3
00:34.13Beladonanice one Cair
00:34.27ForgottenLordsomg. that is hilarious
00:34.42Cairit's the same house, just the 2nd display
00:34.53CairI like the 1st one better though
00:36.38GenNMX_Haha, I was coding and opened up another instance of WoW instead of using the instance I already had and bumped myself off the server
00:37.09Nomad_WandererCair, you put a link out the other day for Jim's Slash commander.
00:37.19Cairhttp://www.animatedlighting.com/products/christmaskit.asp
00:37.19Nomad_WandererI can't find it on wowI no....
00:37.30Nomad_Wandererany diea where it is?
00:37.50Cairsec
00:38.13Cairdata mods
00:38.19Cairhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4383
00:38.27Nomad_WandererThanks!
00:38.31Nomad_WandererThats a good one
00:38.36Cairand, if you know the author's name, you can use the advanced download search :p
00:38.49Cairfor future reference
00:39.27Nomad_WandererI tried searching.. Slash Commander didn't come up with it.. Thats why I asked
00:39.42Cair*advanced* search, using author name :p
00:39.54sweedeOMG HOW COULD YOU LAUGH AT SUCH A TRADGEDY!!!!!!!!!
00:39.55Cair;)
00:40.03Nomad_WandererYou'd think title searching "Slash Commander" would come up with it though right?
00:40.40Cairit should have, yeah
00:41.32Nomad_WandererI used this page: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php?, and put "slash commander" in to the keyword box
00:42.11Cairodd that it didn't work
00:42.21Nomad_WandererMIght not be indexed yet.. I dunno
00:42.24Cairprobably just hates you
00:42.33Nomad_WandererWell, I am wearing pants.
00:42.46Cairwell there you go then
00:42.52Nomad_WandererIknow.. I know..
00:44.31MalivilAnyone here on Hellscream or Staghelm?
00:44.39MalivilOr now anything about either server
00:44.43Malivil*know
00:44.47sweedeim on hellscream
00:45.07Malivil...does it make any sense for your server to transfer to mine?
00:45.14sweedeyes
00:45.28MalivilOTher than reducing lag
00:45.31MalivilBut think about this
00:45.38MalivilStaghelm is already a "full" server
00:45.41sweedethought about it.
00:45.42sweedeheh
00:45.42MalivilThat already suffers from lag
00:45.47MalivilWe are only 3 months old
00:45.50MalivilYou, a full year
00:45.59sweedeand ?
00:45.59MalivilThe PvP and raiding differences are horrendous
00:46.05sweedenot really.
00:46.06MalivilThe economy is drop
00:46.09MalivilReally?
00:46.10sweedewell, raiding may.
00:46.12MalivilWe are still on Tier 1
00:46.20sweedehardly :)
00:46.25MalivilOnly 1 guild has taken down Rag
00:46.31MalivilAnd they did it quickly
00:46.44MalivilWith Hellscream pouring into staghelm we are going to be overwhelmed
00:46.46sweedeprices in AH will go down when people from hellscream transfer over, economy will increase tremendously
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00:46.54sweedewhy would it be overwhelmed?
00:47.07MalivilWe are already FULL
00:47.09sweedeis the only guild in mc going to have to wait for the other 3-4 guilds to be finished ?
00:47.11MalivilWe don't have a queue
00:47.18MalivilBut the merger will force one
00:47.24sweedeyou dont have a queue, then your not full :)
00:47.34MalivilQueue = over populated
00:47.35MalivilNot full
00:47.36sweedeyour servers population is estimated to be roughly 10,000 characters less.
00:47.41CideQQ
00:47.51Cidedamnit, wrong window!
00:47.58MalivilYou just want to get out of your server
00:48.01Anduin|Who:) u do that all the time
00:48.02MalivilYou don't care about STaghelm
00:48.09sweededude, its a game. heh
00:48.13MalivilYea..
00:48.19MalivilThat i am paying 15$ per month
00:48.31MalivilWe already have a laggy server that crashes normally
00:48.34Nomad_WandererYes.. PLease take the screams of repression repression to another channel
00:48.36MalivilThis is NOT going to make it better
00:48.42sweedewe're looking to go to a place that has no queue. if on sunday night when a good 10-15 of us go to staghelm to see how it is, then we'll decide
00:48.55Malivilpsssh
00:49.22sweedei was told that the past couple weeks of staghelm have been good, which would lead us to beleive that you've had a lot of hardware upgrades done to the relms to facilitate the transfer
00:49.48sweedethere are also people on BOTH hellscream and straghelm that say that straghelm is MUCH better than hellscream.
00:50.19Malivilit is
00:50.21MalivilBut still
00:50.25GenNMXCair -- You know, it's a little annoying when you're uploading something which has nothing to screenshot to wowinterface.com. I needed to go into paint and make a "no picture" image -_-
00:50.31Malivilthe transfer will make helscream a little better
00:50.34Maliviland staghelm a LOT worse
00:50.37MalivilNot just because of the lag
00:50.39Cairor use an existing one that someone else has
00:50.40sweedethats what we're hoping :)
00:50.52sweedeall the noob players and casual folk get off hellscream and go somewhere else
00:50.57sweedegetting rid of the queue here.
00:50.59GenNMXCair -- Yeah, but that requires, like effort
00:51.11Malivilif only that's how it worked
00:51.11sweedethere's only one guild that we know of that IS going to staghelm
00:51.18Anduin|Whothats the point genx
00:51.29TainI don't know, I'm thinking of going to Staghelm now.
00:51.32sweedeto bad its alliance though.
00:51.32TainIt sounds like fun.
00:52.22Guillotine_were doing Ysondre...
00:52.34Malivilyea
00:52.40sweedewe've yet to kill ysondre
00:52.40MalivilThe horde area already less populated here
00:52.44MalivilBut we still pwn BGs =-P
00:52.47sweedealliance kills all them.
00:53.03Nomad_WandererI think I'm going to go creat a character on staghelm.. If transfers are being sent to it, it'sa low server
00:53.05sweedeyou should be lucky that two of the alliance guilds are not coming to strag..
00:53.17Malivilmm
00:53.20sweedethey'll wtfpwn everyone in BG's
00:53.23sweederegardless. heh
00:53.57Malivilmeh...
00:54.00Malivilwe'll see what happens
00:54.14sweedeyou horde or alliance ?
00:54.38Guillotinehaha. that was hilarious. despite deadly. some single rogue just wiped our entire raid
00:54.45sweedethe only thing that'll happen if some of the better guilds move over is that some of the smaller guilds on straghelm that have the time and skill to do the content, will join the better guilds.
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00:55.09ToastTheifroooooooar
00:55.12Guillotinehe MCd a priest and run up to Ysondre. Then he vanished and released the priest. Needless to say, Ysondre aggroed the raid and we wern't ready, so we died
00:55.14sweedeanyways, i gotta go, alchohol to buy.
00:55.50sweedejust remember to keep saying,
00:55.58sweedeI, for one, welcome our new hellscream overlords.
00:56.08sweede:D
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01:15.14Guillotinekremonte?
01:15.16Guillotineyou there?
01:15.24kremontelol
01:15.26kremontei'm here again
01:15.34kremontethanks to my awesome irc that just notified me %)
01:15.40kremonteso, whatya need now
01:16.46Guillotinehow do you get item info?
01:16.51Guillotinelike for what enchant id is and stuff
01:17.06kremontei told you =o
01:17.10Guillotine./dumping the link gives me an error
01:17.10kremonteget iriels devtools
01:17.12Guillotinei did
01:17.19kremonte./dump "[itemlink]"
01:17.22kremonteneed the "'s
01:17.24Guillotineohhhh
01:17.27Guillotineyou didnt say that
01:17.30kremonte(it's a string, MASKED IN ITENTITY)
01:17.34kremontei thought the error was obvious
01:17.36kremontenub!
01:17.57Guillotinehey, I was the one that wrote the spoofing program in the first place. so ur noobier!
01:18.08kremonteand i remade it cause you dont know xml!
01:18.39Guillotinei have to admit, your gui is much prettier
01:18.49Cairchildren, behave
01:19.28Guillotinewe are! i conceeded a point!
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01:20.39malrethmwrar...
01:21.00Cairhey malreth
01:21.26kremonteCair, we were behaving
01:21.29kremontestop being so..so...
01:21.56Cairso daring to try to joke around? you got it
01:22.14kremonteso... meanie!
01:28.03sweedeman, queue on hellscream already !
01:28.41kremontehttp://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/aaaaaaaaaaaaahaha/
01:31.52Temkremonte: I hate you
01:32.47kremontewhy Tem
01:33.30Nomad_WandererHmm.... Any cosmos ppl around?
01:33.42Guillotineg2g guys
01:33.43Guillotinettyl
01:33.55Guillotinehappy friday night!
01:33.58kremontebye ;o
01:34.01kremonte(noob)
01:34.12Guillotinebye. noobier
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01:37.47Temso um... I wanna meat this "dragonsworn" person now
01:37.55TemI had no idea there would be anyone anywhere near me
01:39.02Temcurses!
01:39.08TemCair, why must you distract me so!
01:39.19Cairlol
01:39.40Temoh righ! Tab completion
01:41.36kremonteomg for WoW tem?
01:41.40kremonteif you make that i love you
01:43.05Temoh wait... I have no name for it
01:43.10TemSuggestions?
01:43.14Anduin|Whomeh nomad?
01:43.32TemI was thinking "OrangeCat"
01:43.40kremontewah
01:43.41Tem(tabby)
01:43.48kremonteoh!
01:43.54kremonteit works? what does it complete?
01:43.55Tem(shut up, I have a strange sense of humor)
01:44.21TemFriends/guild/party/raid member names
01:45.07kremonteah
01:48.25Temso um... I still need a name for it
01:48.34kremonteorangecat^^
01:49.01TemI can't use that
01:49.05kremontewhy
01:49.06kremonte;(
01:49.07Temit's just my brain being retarded
01:49.20kremontegive it inputtable terms too
01:49.46Anduin|Whotabby word
01:50.17IrielTemTabTastic
01:50.17Anduin|Whoor  just TabCompletion
01:50.25kremontethats so bland
01:50.38Cairhehehe, gotta like Iriels
01:50.50Cair's
01:51.09TemI think TabTastic would be ok
01:51.58TainHow about Taberrific
01:52.02TainOr Tabtastic
01:52.10TainOr TabbleDabble
01:52.19TemTain: you ammuse me
01:52.24TainOr Bananaslug
01:52.31Temrofl
01:52.47TemWhere is rowne when you need his naming abilities
01:53.07Anduin|WhoTaboliscuous
01:53.21TainTabnabbit
01:53.25IrielVegeTabble
01:53.30Tainhah!
01:53.30kremontelol
01:53.42IrielTaboo ?
01:54.08cladhaireoooh taboo is fun
01:54.18TainTabbo Completio
01:54.34CairI like Taboo
01:55.06Caironly problem with TabTastic is Devla's FonTabulous
01:55.19cladhaireWeren't you going to write MailEnhancement Tem?
01:55.25Temlol
01:55.34TainTabouli
01:55.38Temno that was a funny idea I had late at night some time ago
01:55.59TemTaboo it is
01:56.00Anduin|Whorofl
01:56.07Anduin|Whonoooo not taboo
01:56.13TainAn excellent choice.
01:56.39Anduin|Whotaboo has absolutely nothing to do with the addon's purpose
01:56.43TainThat means I still get to use Bananaslug.
01:56.49cladhairesoo?
01:56.55cladhaireand Sea has anythign to do with a library =)
01:57.05cladhaireor Bishop has anythign to do with healing =)
01:57.09TainIt could...
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01:57.17Anduin|Whoa see is a body of water, this is a body of code :P
01:57.25cladhaireoh wow.. stab me =)
01:57.27TainThat pepole drown in?
01:57.32Temlol... Anduin|Who don't make me include a line that says if UnitName("player") == "Anduinlothar" then Crash() end
01:57.33Anduin|Whoexactly
01:57.37cladhairehahaha
01:57.45Tembecause I will
01:57.56Temdon't tempt me
01:58.01Anduin|Whoput it in then
01:58.16Anduin|Whomake it use CancilTrackingSpell
01:58.25IrielThat's fixed in 1.9
01:58.30Irielso it's not that good
01:58.32Tekkubhehe
01:58.33Anduin|Whoexactly
01:58.36Temhrm I need to find one that's not fixed yet
01:58.41Temcurses!
01:58.47Temmore distractions!
01:58.52Tekkubis there a way to logout in the API?
01:58.55Iriela slow OnUpdate with XX={x=XX}
01:58.56Temoh right
01:59.02Anduin|Who<PROTECTED>
01:59.08Tekkubsweets.....
01:59.11TemI like ForceQuit myself
01:59.17TainOh I just thought of Keeping Tabs too.  I like that.
01:59.38Temif UnitName("player") == "Anduinlothar" then ForceQuit() end
01:59.47Temthat would be fun
01:59.51Anduin|Whosounds good
01:59.55TemBetter!
01:59.58Tekkubdon't make it so blatent....
02:00.04TemI'll include the magical trevor song
02:00.10Temand force you to listen to it
02:00.13Temover and over
02:00.15Tekkubmake it an onudate and poll time and slip a random is
02:00.29TainNo you have to have it say, "Unrecoverable Sea error" while it does it.
02:00.34Temlol
02:00.38Tekkubmake it have a 50% chance of forcequit every 5 min
02:01.02Anduin|Whowell i already have a /lag macro
02:01.10Temif Chronos then Chronos.schedule.
02:01.11Anduin|Whoi can even specify how long to lag
02:01.21Temyou can't be serious
02:01.26Anduin|Whoand what to cast when it stops
02:01.41Anduin|Who<PROTECTED>
02:01.52Temand that works?
02:01.54Anduin|Whoyup
02:02.04Anduin|Whoeven casts where i started and not where i end up
02:02.07Temjust a blocking loop for 4 seconds?
02:02.20Tekkubfunction lag () local t = GetTime() repeat until (GetTime() - t > math.random (3))
02:02.21Tems/4/x/
02:02.22Anduin|Whofollowing mobs reset location too
02:02.49Tekkubfunction lag (i) local t = GetTime() repeat until (GetTime() - t > math.random (i))
02:02.52Tekkubeven better :)
02:02.59Anduin|Whodont need the random
02:03.11Tekkubrandom just makes it funner
02:03.24Anduin|Whospose
02:03.55Tekkubfire that on UNIT_HEALTH ^^
02:04.04Tem><
02:04.08Anduin|Whonah, fire on unit_aura
02:04.12Tekkubor BAG_UPDATE during zoning only
02:04.59TemWhat about TABARD_CANSAVE_CHANGED
02:05.18Tekkuboh yea, that's a good one for randomness
02:05.36Tekkubyou know what blizzy needs...
02:05.48Tekkubactually I think I'll add this to SpecialEvents...
02:05.52Tekkubmuahahaha!
02:05.58TekkubSPECIAL_WTF
02:06.08Tekkubnow when do I want it to fire...
02:06.10kremontespecial_wtf?
02:07.01kremonteFACING_WRONG_DIRECTION = "You aren't facing the right direction!"; -- The player is facing the wrong direction
02:07.03kremonteo r l y?
02:08.10Tekkubhrm....
02:08.20Tekkubthat an event in already?
02:08.30Tekkubor one you want?
02:08.34Anduin|Whohttp://wow.pastebin.com/457955
02:08.35kremontefacing_wrong_direction isnt an event
02:08.41kremonteit's a globalstring
02:08.42TekkubI can add it :)
02:09.10Tekkubdoes WORLD_MAP_UPDATE just fire continuously?
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02:15.29kergothwoot, mars attacks is on
02:15.29kergoth:D
02:16.29TainI love that movie
02:16.33KolthAnyone have a KeyMinder link?
02:16.41KolthI'm havng one heck of a time finding.
02:17.13TemBarTab
02:17.44Anduin|WhoPutItOnMyTab
02:17.56Tekkubhey what equipmont grants underwater breathing?
02:18.08Cairhttp://www.wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=652&highlight=keyminder
02:18.17CairKolth:
02:18.22TekkubHydrocane, the helm, any others?
02:20.41Ktron|WSGthere's the engineering helm
02:20.44Ktron|WSGdeepdive helmet
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02:21.50Nomad_WandererAre there any cosmos ppl here?
02:21.58KolthWord!
02:22.04Gryphonsup
02:22.04KolthA number, yes.
02:22.18kremonterawr?
02:22.23Nomad_Wanderer:) Are yo uguys getting an error with Cast Timer? I'm getting a color errror with a blue box..
02:22.52KolthCair: Watarf? I did a search on that forum for 'Minder' and got nothiing
02:23.20KolthWe all know that :P
02:23.22Cair;)
02:24.25Cairand if you really think I've got that much of an inflated ego, you need to get your sarcasm meter checked
02:24.33Gryphoni dont use casttine, but i wouldnt be suprised if there was since i noticed legorol was making some changes to sea and saw mention of colors
02:25.05Kolth'Inflated ego' implies false uberness :)
02:26.12kremontehttp://wow.pastebin.com/454424 <- omg
02:26.13kremontehax
02:27.25DepheriosCair = Uber... sorry Cair, you lose... win... err... lose? -- win?
02:29.02Cairwell blah
02:29.33Caira little birdy told me that 1.9 won't be out this coming tuesday after all
02:29.55KolthEep!
02:30.13Temwhy am I happy about that?
02:30.35Cairgood on the one hand, as it allows folks more time to get their mods fixed
02:31.02KolthBlizzard can always take an extra week in my book.
02:31.10Cairnot so good on the other, because the following tuesday is getting mighty damn close to christmas and folks are going to start traveling soon
02:31.33Cairat this point, I'm almost hoping they hold off until *after* Christmas
02:32.26kremontei do not want 1.9 to come :(
02:33.01Temthey could hold off until after christmas
02:33.07Temthey added the christmas quests already
02:35.58zeeghttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=1487
02:36.06zeegthings like this are exactly what most of you should be making
02:36.06zeeg:P
02:36.15Depheriosdoing it right now Zeeg
02:36.23Depheriosalthough it won't replace every element like that
02:36.30zeegwhy not!? :o
02:36.31Depheriosand it'll be all techie, so nobody will like it XD
02:36.44DepheriosI don't feel the need to replace EVERY element, as I don't use many elements XD
02:37.12TainThere's a huge difference between replacing graphics, and doing technical mods.
02:37.18Depheriosand the default windows for character/bank/whatnot aren't different
02:37.26Depheriosare different, and so, a pain
02:37.29zeeghrmm
02:37.31Depherios... dunno I might do everything
02:37.33zeegwhitch do you like better, and why
02:37.36zeeghttp://wwndata.worldofwar.net/quest.php?id=c61aed648da48aa3893fb3eaadd88a7f
02:37.39zeeghttp://www.wowguru.com/db/quests/id8201/
02:37.47zeegTain, ya but there's hardly any mods that replace graphics
02:38.00TemI wonder how much of a difference something like would make http://wow.pastebin.com/457970
02:38.15zeegi gotta get my maps workin
02:38.43DepheriosGraphics are an entirely different thing, from code, heh
02:38.48TainThere's two reasons for that, zeeg.  For one it takes people with artistic skill and so far addons have drawn the more technical crowd.
02:39.05zeegTain, ya but you'd think there'd be more than say.. 3 people with artistic skills :)
02:39.21TainAnd two, replacing the default graphics is not simple to do in the best way you should.
02:39.29DepheriosZeeg: also, every time blizz changes/adds a frame, it breaks the entire graphic mod
02:39.43zeegstupid blizz :|
02:39.46Depheriosor rather, whatever blizz changed
02:40.05TainIdeally you'd want to do it as a true addon but there's only certain frames that you can SetTexture() on to change them programmatically.
02:41.30zeeghttp://wwndata.worldofwar.net/quest.php?id=c61aed648da48aa3893fb3eaadd88a7f vs http://www.wowguru.com/db/quests/id8201/ vs http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=8201 vs http://goblinworkshop.com/quests/a-collection-of-heads.html vs http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=8201
02:41.32zeegpick one!
02:42.09zeegwe'll have maps showing like wwndata does soon too on the quest page
02:42.14zeegright now you just mouseover the npc or mob or w/e
02:46.00kergothlol, i love this movie so much
02:46.17kremontewhat movie?
02:46.22Depherioslol
02:47.02kremontezeeg - thottbot only because it's really lightweight and simple enough for what i need
02:47.47zeegwow :|
02:47.54zeegits too simple IMO
02:48.10zeegand every weapon has "hunter weapon" or porn in the comments :P
02:48.12kremontewell, 90% of the time when i search something, it's to find where it's from, and how to get it
02:48.12Nomad_WandererYeah! We finally beat Ony!
02:48.17kremontegrats :)
02:48.34Nomad_WandererIt seemed so easy on the 31st attempt.
02:48.38kremontelol
02:49.01Depherios31st time's a charm?
02:49.03zeegkremonte, wowguru shows it on the right, i plan to have maps for all mobs you have to kill, and the npcs
02:49.23Depherioshonestly, just give me cosmos format coords to everything
02:49.26Depheriosand I'll be happy XD
02:49.37zeegooo i should probably include coords
02:49.40kremontezeeg - i know, but i don't really want anything else
02:49.41zeegdidnt think about that
02:49.49Depherioshaving to weed through thottbots comments to find coords is a pain
02:49.56Cairhey zeeg?
02:50.00zeegwhat
02:50.01Cairhttp://www.wowguru.com/irc/
02:50.07zeegya
02:50.18zeegi update that page once a year
02:50.23zeeg;P
02:50.49Depherioslol
02:50.50zeegwhat was the point
02:51.02DepheriosIf you'd like your IRC channel (WoW related rooms only) listed here, contact us and we'll see what we can do.
02:51.07zeegoh
02:51.13zeegwhere's it say that
02:51.14zeegOH
02:51.21DepheriosROFL
02:51.35Cairjust ... nm
02:51.42CairI can't be *that* much of a bitch
02:51.44zeegwhat network am I on
02:51.54zeegfreenode.net k
02:52.05kremonteadd irc:/ links too if they arent there =o
02:52.14zeegi cba to rework the page to show those
02:52.24zeegif i knew how to make javascript work w/ that java app I would make it a lot better
02:53.10zeegk i added it
02:53.11zeegi even bolded it!
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02:53.38TainCan you put a <blink> tag on it?
02:53.41zeegLOOK ITS ME
02:53.53Depheriossilithid... looks like... lurker...
02:53.55zeeg2452LOOK ITS ME
02:53.59Depheriossilithid mount... looks like lurker
02:54.38zeegHi
02:54.38zeegLet's share photos on Ringo. Just click on the link below to accept or decline.
02:54.39zeeghttp://www.ringo.com/i.html?i=97629590x883465&al=aEJH7wWJZbvl7Z1i&origin=invite
02:54.39zeegThanks
02:54.39zeegVoLKaN ÖzDeMiR
02:54.43zeegseriously, why are all these people harassing me
02:54.53zeeglike 500 mexicans sent me lets share photos things
02:55.22zeegtell me im not the only one w/ this problem :|
02:56.06Depherioson what?
02:56.28Depherios...I have no idea what that page even is XD
02:56.35Tainzeeg, I have the feeling that you're the only one with a lot of problems.
02:56.45Depherioslol
03:01.41zeegWHY ME
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03:06.47DepheriosI really should modify BG invite to check to see if there's any others somehow
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03:06.54cladhaireooh
03:06.56cladhairei'd like that
03:07.21Tem?
03:10.10GenNMXThere isn't already a way to bind keys by the prompt in the default UI, right?
03:11.22Temtechnically there is
03:11.34GenNMXWell, without using /script, that's cheating
03:11.37Tembut no slash command for it which is probably what you are talking about
03:11.41bELADONAERR
03:11.44Cairlol
03:11.45Temlol
03:11.48Beladonadamn caps lock
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03:12.03Beladonalol
03:12.07Tem/nic tEm
03:12.14Beladonaabout to log back into wow
03:12.19Beladonafor anyone that is interested
03:12.21TemI have terrible spelling
03:12.26Beladonaanyway, yeah, nm
03:12.39GenNMXTem: I'm adding such a function to myBindings, I keep wanting to bind things like BuffBot to SHIFT-BUTTON2, but it's annoying to edit my bind-cache.wtf
03:12.55GenNMXAnd now I get a weird Ace.lua error message, yeah!
03:12.57malreth_shoo... shoo...
03:13.03Beladona51 in Queue! Weeee
03:13.15cladhaireon Draka?
03:13.18Beladonayeah
03:13.22cladhaireits the AB holiday.. so I'm chilling in AB on Kaelthas
03:13.29Beladonabah
03:13.49BeladonaI need some grouping
03:13.55Beladonahaven't been in one really since we started
03:14.08Beladonagrouping!
03:14.11Cairennerrr, groUping .. sorry
03:14.14Beladonahaha
03:14.31Cairenn;)
03:15.19Beladonaoh damn
03:15.23Beladonathis would kick ass for wow
03:15.30Beladonahttp://www.bindows.net/bindows/samples/apibrowser/
03:15.37TemCairenn: go back to "cair" "Cairenn" is a funny color
03:15.41Beladonafor the xml side I mean
03:16.04Cairshows as the same colour for me for either
03:16.08Temaye
03:16.29TemI still need to recompile gaim to get rid of all the colors I don't like and add a few
03:18.17malreth_my girlfriend's liver is attacking her spleen
03:18.30Beladonaare you taking bets?
03:18.33Cair*blink*
03:18.41TainI wonder if it's too much to hope that my roommate brings home food, or rum.  Or both.
03:19.00TainMy liver's getting a bit uppity, that's why I need the rum.
03:19.07malreth_she's learning traditional chinese medicine, acupuncture and herbalism
03:19.11Cairahhhhhh
03:20.09malreth_she's all qi and meridians and point activation now
03:20.30Beladonamy best friend knows oriental massage, and he told me one time that your liver is associated with anger
03:20.50Beladonayeah, that stuff
03:21.01malreth_she's trying to stop my teeth grinding at night by jabbing me in the cheek with her finger
03:21.01Beladonameridians and whatever
03:21.08malreth_it hasn't stopped the grinding, but it wakes me up really well
03:21.23Beladonamy wife puts a pillow over my face...
03:22.02malreth_Beladona: i don't think that stops grinding as much as breathing
03:22.14Beladonasure stops my snoring though
03:22.28malreth_oh, my gf agrees. liver does control emotions
03:23.27Beladonaany Draka people wanna join me for some quests?
03:23.53TemTip: There is no cow level.
03:23.55Tem><
03:24.03Beladonaif the police ever arrest you for assault, just tell them your liver was acting up
03:24.55malreth_ah... my evil twin is gone
03:25.23kremontewould this mod be feasible? for every fight (that you record start+end), it records who didn't taunt, who broke polys, who AOEs first, who linked mobs, etc?
03:25.31kremonte("Who F'ed Up the Pull")
03:25.58malrethcan you even tell if someone taunts?
03:26.15TainEveryone knows it's always the Rogues who break poly
03:26.29kremontexxx casts taunt on target?
03:26.50TemTip: A blue question mark above a quest give means the quest is repeatable.
03:27.04kremonteno. way.
03:27.34TemNo it's always hunters and warlocks that break sheep
03:27.48Temtheir liked "Oh look a sheep! DOT DOT DOT DOT!!"
03:27.54GenNMXkremonte: Yeah, there'd be some guessing involved. You'd be parsing chat messages. Although I have no idea how you'd tell a "bad pull" of more then 1-2 mobs.
03:28.30kremontepretty much just
03:28.41kremontepolymorph is removed, detect aoe spells etc
03:29.13GenNMXBut you COULD tell which monster was first attacked in the session, and how many monsters started attacking after that.
03:29.51malrethnot if they all had the same name
03:30.57GenNMXmalreth: Yeah, I was thinking that too
03:31.14TemAnd the first useful I've seen
03:31.15TemTip:<Shift>Clicking an item being sold by a vendor will let you select how much of that item you would like to purchase.
03:31.36GenNMXA hacky way of guessing if two hits came from the same monster or different monsters would be to check time intervals and who they are attacking. I'd just give all that info to the user and let them make the decision.
03:31.52malrethwhat about mobs that double hit?
03:32.07GenNMXLike I said, I'd just give all that info to the user and let them make the decision...
03:32.57GenNMXIn a battle, a lot of information can go flashing across the screen, especially in a raid
03:33.10GenNMXkremonte's mod isn't a bad idea, and the more info it can give you the better, to a point
03:33.26kremontesomething VERY general
03:33.40kremontein other words, ONE of these fking hunters keeps volleying way too early on these pulls
03:34.49malrethTip: If your hat is blown into the middle of the street, watch for horse carriages before running to retrieve it.
03:34.52Cairlalala
03:34.54CairEvery time Chuck Norris throws a roundhouse kick, all women within  5 miles of Chuck immediately achieve orgasm.
03:35.01kremonte~chucknorris
03:35.52malrethVin Diesel tortured everyone at the Geneva Convention until they signed the agreement.
03:36.02GenNMX"A Skeleton monster attacked FkingHunter twice in a 0.5 second interval. Unless the monster can double-hit, it was probably aggro."
03:36.31kremontemore like
03:36.38kremonteFkinghunter was the first to AOE (Volley)
03:37.04malrethhttp://walkingdead.net/perl/euphemism
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03:37.31GenNMXkremonte: Yeah, i'd be simple to catch what were the first events by players in the battle
03:37.36malreth<PROTECTED>
03:37.46kremontelol malreth
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03:38.50ForgottenLordsis Cairwynn here?
03:39.03ForgottenLordsdarn.
03:39.20ForgottenLordsany other WoWI admins here I can talk to?
03:39.29BeladonaCairenn is here, as am I
03:39.50ForgottenLordsoh, hehe, looking in the wrong section
03:41.16zeegCairwynn O.o
03:42.06ForgottenLordsI havnt been around here that long :s
03:42.12ForgottenLordsBela, PM
03:42.37Beladonak
03:43.21Beladonanot seeing it
03:43.31zeegPrivate messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
03:43.59Beladonathought he meant on website
03:44.30zeego
03:44.31ForgottenLordsoh, no
03:44.33ForgottenLordsOk
03:44.40ForgottenLordsI'll send one on the website
03:44.51Beladonayeah you have to be registered in IRC to send a message here
03:45.09Beladonayou can do it by typing /msg NickServ REGISTER <password>
03:45.52MentalPower|AFKand you cn be like me and spam your password for all to see :)
03:46.02Beladonalol
03:46.14ForgottenLordshehe
03:46.24cladhaireIDENTIFY Password123
03:46.26cladhairei mean
03:47.11Depheriosbeen there, done that
03:48.20MentalPower|AFKI've done it twice now here in IRC, first with my WoW password and then with my IRC password
03:48.21Tem<PROTECTED>
03:48.24Temer
03:48.34cladhaire=)
03:48.50Depherioslol
03:49.05TemDoes anyone know the new syntax for SaveBindings?
03:49.26cladhaireSaveBindings(1|2|3) imo
03:49.34cladhairelemme lok
03:49.58Temyeah, um
03:50.04Temwhat are 1,2 and 3
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03:50.30Cairhey tragywydd
03:50.34tragywyddhi cair
03:50.47cladhaireomg hi tragywydd
03:50.54tragywyddhi cladhaire
03:50.58cladhaireTem: I dont know.. i'm looking
03:51.28cladhaireits 1|2
03:51.31cladhairenot sure which is which
03:51.34cladhairebut its perchar, or all
03:54.33DepheriosWasn't there a perclass?
03:54.46cladhaireDeph: Not in the default UI.. afaik
03:55.05Depheriosokay... I was thinking 1 2 3 all, char, class or something like that
03:57.35Depheriosbut that doesn't seem like something they'd do
03:57.58tragywyddhaha
03:58.02tragywyddmaybe I won't say anything anymore
03:59.25BeladonaI believe they are adding loading functionality too
03:59.31Beladonaas in saved bind sets
04:06.15cladhaire*nod* Bela
04:06.33cladhairethe new UI screens (bindings, addons, etc.) are nice
04:07.04DepheriosI haven't looked... hope they fix BKB for it though, lol
04:22.13kergothyay lotr movies
04:22.21kergoth"That doesn't make sense to me..... but then, you are very small."
04:22.23kergothi love that logic
04:22.53Kaeltenello guys
04:23.05Depherios'lo
04:26.59Osagasuno time for talking!
04:27.03Osagasufinish KCI!
04:29.26Cair~slap Osagasu
04:29.27purlACTION slaps Osagasu, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
04:31.19Osagasu:3
04:31.26DepheriosG'night
04:31.32Cairnight Clad
04:32.52clad|sleepnight Cair
04:32.57clad|sleepjust prepping =)
04:33.24Cairlol
04:48.41Codayuslol
05:04.05Kaeltenlol
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05:04.58futrtrublwhat have I missed/
05:05.00futrtrubl?
05:05.05Kaelteneverything
05:05.25futrtrublaww shucks
05:15.41kergothwelp, guild's second attempt at ZG, my first time there, we killed the snake boss and didnt finish the bat one
05:22.58kremontelol, just killed hakkar
05:23.04kremonteof course, everyone has more DKP than me
05:30.18kergothmy shammy's sadly neglected.  still need to go get the leggings from the king in dm north.  never run mc or anything
05:48.14Temmy guild just started MC
05:48.28Temturns out that we were right all a long
05:48.31Temwe're uber
05:48.42Temkilled ony 3rd try
05:48.50Temluci 2nd
05:48.53Temmags 3rd
05:48.59Temgehennes 2nd
05:49.07TemI forget through geddon
05:49.22Tembut sulfuron and golemagg were fist pull kills
05:50.05Temwednesday night was our 4th instance (ever) and we killed all 8 of the first bosses
05:50.23Tem(first pull)
05:50.45Tem(one wipe the whole time because a mage blinked into 2 molten destroyer adds ><)
05:51.13TemAnd golemagg dropped a talisman of ephemeral power for me :)
05:51.20kremonteomg Tem
05:51.21Tem/endbragg
05:51.22kremonteare you serious
05:51.25Temaye
05:51.26kremonteI HATE YOU
05:51.28Temlol
05:51.40TemI blew every single one of my dkp points
05:51.57kremontein 4 months of MC, my guild has gotten 2
05:52.15TemI expect the same in mine
05:52.21Temso I hoarded points
05:52.32Temand got mine out of the way early
05:52.38kremonteyeah i hate raids
05:52.44kremontehate them with all inside of me
05:52.51Temlol
05:52.59TemMC is still fun for us because it's new
05:52.59kremontei attended every BWL run, more than 200g in repairs, and we got half DKP
05:53.16Temwhy half dkp?
05:53.18kremontewe downed razorgore, all of the sudden more signups...vael down, more than 200g in repairs, all of a sudden more signups
05:53.25kremontebecause we werent clearing any bosses at that point
05:53.35Temah, your dkp system sucks then
05:53.39Temours is hourly
05:53.43kremontehourly? lol
05:53.45kremontei wish
05:53.45Temwith bonuses for new bosses
05:54.02Temit keeps people signing up for the raids that aren't free loot
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05:54.29kremontewell
05:54.47kremontewe started broodlord, and my comp started dying, so i missed in total 1 full run
05:55.01kremontewe down broodlord, nemesis boots drop, and... yep, my mobo was fried -_-
05:55.13kremontethe vultures were there to pick it, of course
05:55.20Temlol
05:55.30kremontewoot for spoofing
05:55.35Temso I fought a mage in full netherwind earlier...
05:55.36kremontevanquisher's sword, +28 AP
05:55.48kremonteadded 76 AP enchant, and highest of-power for +86 AP
05:55.56Tem(I'm in blues and craftable epics + ToEP)
05:55.59TemI won
05:56.08kremonteyou suck Tem. die in a fire
05:56.09TemIt felt awesome
05:56.31TemOh and then I fought a pally in full judgement + thunderfury
05:56.39TemI won that too
05:56.41kremontepally + TF makes me laugh
05:56.46Temyay for the test server
05:57.07kremonte"now that i have a legendary, i can dps! i think!"
05:57.18kremonteoh wait, a warrior with the axe from angerforge still outDPSes you
05:57.24Temlol
05:58.57kremontescript DFC:AddMessage(28+76+86);
05:58.59kremonteoh wow
05:59.03kremontewrong window and a typo
06:00.35Temew semicolons
06:00.44kremontesemicolons own <3
06:01.48Temoh well
06:01.53TemI still have my toep
06:01.56Tem=P
06:02.21kremonte./mode #wowi-lounge +b Tem T_T
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06:03.22Cair><
06:03.33kremontedo it
06:03.36kremontethen kick him =X
06:03.38kremonte!kb Tem
06:03.57kremontemeany
06:03.59Cairactually kremonte, the squinty-eyed annoyance face was at you :p
06:04.06kremontei know
06:04.13kremontei'm intentionally being more obnoxious
06:04.20kremontebecause i have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO
06:04.28Temhmm
06:04.33Tem/ignore
06:04.42kremontebye tem!
06:04.43Cairlet me remind you, kremonte, that there is one bitch in this channel, and it isn't you
06:04.54kremontei'm not a bitch, i'm just annoying =)
06:04.58Temlol
06:05.05futrtrublI wish I had more ignore slots
06:05.14kremontei have 1/4 of my guild on ignore
06:05.36kremonteeven when i'm on the roster, if they are leader they don't invite me, "we dont want 14 year olds in our raid lmao"
06:05.36Temthat's when you need a new guild
06:05.41futrtrublI'd have 1/4 of my server on ignore but....
06:06.03Temlol
06:06.49futrtrubloh my, I have a guest... time for rum
06:07.07Temwhen I get to the point where I want to ignore someone in my guild, I boot them
06:07.20kremontego away mr guild master
06:07.25TemOfficer
06:07.46kremontego away mr officer
06:07.52Cairkremonte, seriously, stop being, to use your own words, obnoxious and annoying
06:08.02kremontegimme something to do /cry
06:08.10kremontebut yeah, i'll be less irritating
06:08.16futrtrubltest out my new version of BEB
06:08.25CairI'm sorry you are bored, but come up with a *positive* way to deal with it, instead of a *negative* way
06:08.34kremontei can't log out to install a mod right now, been in AV queue for 40 mins
06:08.48kremonteCair - i'm trying to think of something to code or make or something but my mind is blocked :(
06:09.13futrtrubla bunny that hops around the screen following your cursor
06:09.35kremontewouldn't animation require an OnUpdate and SetTexture?
06:09.42futrtrublyup
06:09.55kremonte(Lag) (No thanks.) (I'm not up for it.)
06:10.07futrtrubl;']
06:10.51kremonteseriously, something to make? :(
06:10.59Mondingaa sandwich
06:11.04futrtrublany good with photoshop?
06:11.08kremonteyup, used it for 4 years
06:11.33futrtrublI could use some xp bar textures for my mod ;']
06:11.41futrtrublIt's all about me you see
06:11.44kremontedimensions?
06:12.24futrtrubl16xwhatever, or 32x whatever for fat xp bars if needed
06:12.37kremonte16 h or 16 w?
06:12.40futrtrublh
06:12.55kremonte16x64 sound good? ^_~
06:13.25futrtrublthose are the ones I have so far
06:24.32kremonteis BEB on wowi futrtrubl?
06:26.36Cairyes, it is
07:05.42Anduin|WhoTitanBagMenu: Dropdown menu for inventory, click uses same bag click function, sort by type/quality/bag/customizable, look similar to ItemizedDeductions, optional mini texture
07:06.29Anduin|Work^ my suggestion for kremonte to make while he's bored
07:08.52kremonteive been in av for 30 minutes =o working on BEB textures too
07:09.28Depherioslol
07:30.23sweededoes anyone know if it was a definite thing that blizzard was going to have server-server or character tranfsers between accounts? like its a definite thing ?
07:30.45Cairno idea sweede
07:32.17DepheriosYay level 38 XD
07:32.29DepheriosI never should have bought animal crossing DS
07:32.34Depheriosbad idea
07:33.01Osagasuheh
07:33.26Osagasuone of these days I need to go through and delete mods I don't use instead of just disabling them
07:33.26Osagasusend it to me Deph
07:33.29Osagasu<3 AC
07:33.31DepheriosXD
07:33.37Depheriosjust do what I did Osagasu
07:33.41Depherios... use *.old
07:34.23DepheriosWoW doesn't read the directory if it has that ext
07:35.58Depheriosoh you don't say priest trainer... I got a new SMITE! wow!
07:39.58OsagasuOkay,I went in to trim down my interface... I ended up disabling two mods, then adding on ethat did the same thing and them some of one of the ones I disabled
07:40.01OsagasuI'm so wierd
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07:50.28shouryuurawr
07:50.53shouryuuI am officially stupid
07:51.24shouryuuI've jst finished watching 51 episodes of full metal alchemist, back to back
07:53.09shouryuufor now
07:53.12shouryuusleep calls
07:57.48Depherioslol awesome
07:58.57Depheriosdid that with GitS recent
07:59.00Depheriosrecently
07:59.07DepheriosG'night
07:59.14Depherioswoah... delay
08:04.39Ktron|BFDkremonte: you up? or anyone else who knows about item links?
08:12.38kremonteKtron|BFD- i'm here
08:12.42kremonteif you still need me
08:12.57Ktron|BFDkremonte: I figured it out, thanks though krem
08:13.02kremontek
08:23.54TemIs there any way to know where the caret is in an editbox?
08:26.59futrtrublok y'all, have a good night
08:27.07DepheriosG'night
09:11.30Cairnight all
09:11.37Anduin|Workmoo
09:11.38KolthGoodnight!
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09:40.49AnduinLotharno tem, not that I know of
09:41.43AnduinLotharmight be able to copy the whole string, then loop deletes until the string size stops changing
09:42.01AnduinLotharthen repaste the full string
09:46.22Ktron|BFDheh, remember notpron?
09:46.27Ktron|BFDfriend and I just made it to level 23
10:05.25Ktronheh, luaslinger seems useful
10:07.03ForgottenLordsomg lazers pew pew
10:07.12Ktron~pew
10:07.15Ktron~pewpew
10:07.17purlpewpew is probably at http://home.earthlink.net/~answeris42/pewpew.jpg .
10:07.47ForgottenLordshehe
10:10.11ForgottenLordsDid I hear correctly earlier today, about a mod that can make it's own links?
10:11.00Ktronadd a little more... there are two mods I remember being mentioned
10:11.10KtronGetLink, which kind of works like a database
10:11.28Ktronbut is a bit smarter
10:11.36Ktronand there was a spoofing links addon mentioned
10:11.52ForgottenLordsI think the spoofing one is the one Im thinking of
10:15.14AnduinLotharwow gg... 2:40 reload time..
10:16.14AnduinLothari need to fx MF to have parts of it work ondemand loading
10:17.39AnduinLotharwonder if there's any good way to do that..
10:17.49AnduinLotharcant make dynamic frames..
10:17.57AnduinLothardont want millions of sub addons
10:19.38KtronMF?
10:19.46AnduinLotharMobileFrames
10:20.00Ktronhaven't seen that one before, I'll look it up
10:20.28Ktronoh, nice addon
10:20.29AnduinLotharAtm it's not very LoadOnDemand friendly
10:20.35AnduinLotharbut it works
10:20.49AnduinLotharand has more gui than any of the other movable type addons
10:21.04Ktronoh?
10:21.10Ktronmove anything is pretty good
10:21.19AnduinLotharmeh.
10:21.21KtronI think you almost entirely use gui there
10:21.59AnduinLotharto each his own. I prefer my way, but then i made it, so there :)
10:22.30KtronMF seems like it is a different addon than MoveAnything anyway
10:22.48AnduinLotharit's not identical, no
10:23.00AnduinLothardoesn't have scaling
10:23.07Ktronsounds like it makes frame behavior similar to window behavior to some degree too
10:23.19Ktronand that'd be a pain to make MoveAnything do
10:23.30AnduinLotharit's a pain to make MF do lol
10:23.45AnduinLotharwhat do u mean by the diff between frame and window tho?
10:24.05Ktroncurse-gaming, right? 2.91?
10:24.26KtronI mean the description I found of MF made it sound like you dragged frames by the top bar
10:24.28AnduinLotharsound sright
10:24.46AnduinLotharyou drag Panels by the top bar, yes
10:24.48Ktronlike you can with windows in Windows or gnome or kde
10:25.00AnduinLotharah, that kidn of windows
10:25.11Ktronyeah, panels is a better word than frames
10:25.36Ktronyeah, more of a 'this is in the way *yoink* now it is not' ability
10:25.52AnduinLotharright
10:25.58Ktronwhereas it'd be ugly to leave frames that easy to move with MoveAnything
10:26.09AnduinLotharright
10:26.35AnduinLotharspecial frames have an Anchor you use that you have to toggle, but most Panels can be dynamicly dragged
10:27.22KtronSo, somewhat different... I'll definitely check it out anyway,
10:27.41KtronI rely on MA right now, and I don't like the discord mods
10:27.57Ktronand visor seems like more work to use than I'd get in benefits
10:28.53KtronAlright, time to sleep for me
10:29.08AnduinLotharnight
10:29.18Ktrontake care AnduinLothar
10:30.26AnduinLotharYa, visor's not my kinda thing. i hate slash commands
10:32.38ForgottenLordsI hate slash command control modifications
10:32.53KtronI like slash commands when they're appropriate
10:33.05Ktronlike, GetLink
10:33.14Ktroninfo mods
10:33.26AnduinLotharonly time i'll accept slash commands is for one time configs or addon debugging
10:34.36Ktronbut definitely not for setting up GUIs-- you want positioning and configuring the GUI to go quickly and come out accurately, don't need to bother with a lot of mishmash... flexbar's events system is definitely better to use through / commands than their gui
10:34.40Ktronanyway
10:34.42Ktronsleep
10:35.36AnduinLotharmeh, i dont use flexbar
10:35.50AnduinLotharjust move a bar to the left side of the screen
10:37.20Ktron|afkI like popup/popout effects, I like being able to customize the shape of my buttons, and I need events at a minimum to set which buttons switch on stealth and switch back, etc
10:38.08AnduinLotharah, ya. baroptions handles sstance changes. not sure it does stealth page swapping
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12:14.49AnduinLotharso who's not sleeping?
12:14.58AnduinLotharcause sleep is for losers
12:15.29AnduinLotharLOSERS! All of you!
12:18.29TainI'm just looking at the foot of snow on the ground and grumbling.
12:22.38AnduinLotharmmm, ya I closed the porch door yesterday for the first time since I moved in.
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13:13.37wowguru-4425Can anyone tell me if there are going to be new eu realms?
13:14.19wowguru-4425??
13:14.42AnduinLotharim the only one on and i have no idea
13:14.59wowguru-4425You also dont know wich one is last opened?
13:15.09wowguru-4425or where i can find that information?
13:15.19AnduinLotharno idea
13:15.36wowguru-4425ok thanks
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13:24.44BO|Razagheyho
13:24.48AnduinLotharyo
13:25.21BO|Razagis it possible to load a lua from within a lua?
13:25.34AnduinLotharonly if it's an addon
13:25.37TainI fought the snow and the snow won.
13:26.07BO|Razagwhat i want to do is to do a classcheck and then load the class specific lua
13:26.41BO|Razagdo i have to create dependant addons for each class then?
13:27.30KolthAll of your AddOns need to be LoadOnDemand
13:42.15AnduinLotharjust make one for each class and one to load them all
13:42.33AnduinLotharor u might look into stubby and see if u can use it
13:53.41Tainhttp://www.bvvp.com/images/tookpotion.jpg
13:54.14AnduinLotharheh
13:54.36TainThat made me laugh.
13:58.38AnduinLothari think it's funny that 75% of my guild is chinese...
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15:48.30Beladonaso quiet in here
15:49.02AnduinLotharyup
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15:49.58AnduinLothardon't think wow likes the 200kbps i have bt dling in the bg
15:59.18AnduinLotharthere we go. honored with Thorium Brotherhood
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16:38.43clad|sleepMorning
16:38.49Beladonahiya
16:39.37Legorolafternoon folks
16:39.37Beladonasome buggy mobs on Draka
16:39.47LegorolBela, do you know if there are any changes to UI in latest test realm update?
16:39.52Legorolif not i won't bother reextracting
16:39.55Beladonavery few
16:40.02Beladonadon't need to extract it
16:40.08Beladonajust download it
16:40.10Beladona=P
16:40.18Legorolwell i just run custominterfacekit so it's no biggie
16:40.25Legorolsame as downloading it ;-)
16:40.25Beladonahttp://wdn.wowinterface.com
16:40.31Beladonatrue
16:40.37Legoroldo you have diffs up there for different test realm builds?
16:40.42Beladonaaye
16:40.46Legorolah, nice
16:40.56Legorolhttp://wdn.wowinterface.com/reports/4886-4894/summary.xml: page cannot be found
16:40.58cladhaire<PROTECTED>
16:41.07Beladonarefresh?
16:41.12Beladonaon the main page I mean
16:41.13Legoroldoesn't work
16:41.16Legorolok will try
16:41.22BeladonaI am looking at it
16:41.27Beladona0.o
16:41.30Legorolit's a bit weird..
16:41.36Legoroli go to main page, click on test changes
16:41.43Legorolit gives a link that gives 4040
16:41.45Legorol*404
16:41.49Beladonawhat browser are you using
16:41.53Legorolif i hit Back, it gives the right page though
16:41.59Legorolinstead of going back to main page
16:42.01LegorolIE 6
16:42.02Beladonauhh
16:42.05Legorolwith all service packs/updates
16:42.07Beladonatesting it
16:42.29Legorolare there 2 versions of main page?
16:42.37Legoroli seem to be getting 2 different versions as i mess with it
16:42.41Beladonaworks in my ie
16:42.51BeladonaI would clear your cache
16:42.58Beladonathe IE cache is a POS
16:43.03Legorolshouldn't refresh help that?
16:43.06Beladonaand thats putting it mildly
16:43.14Legoroland i don't want to have to clear my whole cache :/
16:43.16cladhaireshift-refresh should =)
16:43.18Beladonashould, but not always
16:43.52Beladonadamn
16:44.04Legorolok, the page that currently comes up as main page is white
16:44.11BeladonaPLAYER_ALT_TABBED fired while I was here. And a mob was registered for it
16:44.13Legorolwith virtually no styling
16:44.15Beladona=\
16:44.20Legorollol
16:44.44Beladonayou have some weird things going on
16:44.51Beladonait isn't downloading the css
16:45.11cladhairehttp://wdn.wowinterface.com/module/reports/4886-4894/summary.xml loads perfectly for me.
16:45.20Beladonakeep refreshing till it loks normal
16:45.27Beladonaor download firefox (lol)
16:45.43Legorolcladhaire, yes that link does
16:45.51Legorolbut the link that i get when clicking on a test change is this one:
16:45.52Legorolhttp://wdn.wowinterface.com/reports/4886-4894/summary.xml
16:46.03Legoroland i keep refreshing, and it doesn't look normal ;-)
16:46.12Legoroli will stick with IE, thanks
16:46.16Beladonago back to the index
16:46.20Beladonayou have a bad liunk
16:46.22Beladonalink*
16:46.30Beladonait should be in the modules folder
16:46.31Legoroli was using http://wdn.wowinterface.com
16:46.31cladhaireWhat I linked was the most recent test changes
16:46.39LegorolBeladona, that's the link i get if i click on the main page
16:46.40cladhairebut you may have had a cached main page
16:46.48Legorolok i will try to clear cache
16:46.48cladhaire(Cause i dont get that link :P)
16:46.50BeladonaI know, but the main page is showing you something old or wrong
16:46.53Legorolcladhaire, i know
16:47.34Beladonathe only way to prevent cache problems when developing a site, is to rename every file when you make any changes to it
16:47.41Beladonawhich is just gay
16:47.47BeladonaMS needs to be shot
16:48.10Beladonaalso
16:48.15Beladonaanother thing you mgiht do
16:48.21Beladonago into your cachesettings
16:48.23Legorolehm.. correct me if i'm wrong, but
16:48.34Legorolisn't caching determined by what the server sends to the client as to the lifetime of the page?
16:48.44Beladonanot really
16:48.53Beladonayou can fool it with php and stuff
16:48.59Beladonabut I am not using php on this site
16:49.04Legorolis it IE's fault that it's not refetching the page when i hit refresh?
16:49.10Beladonayes
16:49.15Legorolbad, bad IE
16:49.39Legorolstill, i will stick to it until MS changes the one last place in Windows where IE is still hardcoded as the browser
16:49.45Beladonaif you go into the internet options, and click on settings for the Temp INET files
16:49.54Legorolnamely if you have a folder window open and you type in a URL there, it launches the page in IE instead of your default browser
16:49.59Beladonaand change the radio button to Every Visit to the page
16:50.00Legorolwhich is the reason why i'm sticking with IE still
16:50.04Beladonathat usually helps a lot
16:50.22Beladonanot if you go into your control panel and set firefox as default
16:50.26Beladonamanually
16:50.33Beladonamine uses Firefox always
16:50.40Legorolok i went into temp files and manually deleted all files for wdn.wowinterface.com and now it works
16:50.48Beladonacool
16:50.49LegorolBeladona, as far as i know that will change the following:
16:50.56Legorolwhat happens if you type a URL in start/run
16:51.01Legorolwhat happens if you click a URL in an application
16:51.06Legoroland what appears on the start menu
16:51.16Legorolhowever, setting Firefox as default browser does NOT affect one place:
16:51.24BeladonaI just typed an url into start/run
16:51.26Legorolif you have a folder window open (e.g. C:\) and in the address line you type a URL
16:51.26cladhaireLEgorol: that's because that place is explorer.exe
16:51.27Beladonaopened in firefoc
16:51.30Beladonafirefox
16:51.39Legorolyes Beladona, as i said Start/Run *does* change
16:51.41cladhaireLegorol: explorer.exe == iexplorer.exe
16:51.42Legorolcladhaire: correct
16:51.47Legorolcladhaire: incorrect
16:51.53Legorolexplorer and iexplorer are not exactly the same
16:51.54Legorolor shouldn't be
16:51.55Beladonaahh I see what you mean
16:51.58Beladonasee I never do that
16:52.06cladhaireme neither
16:52.08Legorolexplorer should launch your default browser when you type a URL into its address bar
16:52.15Beladona*should
16:52.16cladhaireno, it shouldn't.
16:52.18Kolthleg; it doesn't
16:52.22Beladonabut that is how IE has such a large market share
16:52.22LegorolKolth: i know it doesn't
16:52.26Kolthokay :P
16:52.28cladhaireif you tyupe a URL into firefox, it loads it in firefox
16:52.36cladhaireif you type it into IE, it loads it in IE
16:52.39cladhairemakes complete sense.
16:52.48Beladonawell
16:52.49Legorolif i type a URL into explorer (which is *not* IE, but a file exploring app) it should launch it in a web browser
16:52.54KolthYou can type a URL into Firefox and have IE load it ;)
16:52.55Legorolit shouldn't be using an embedded IE copy
16:52.55Beladonaonly because it is bundled into explorer
16:52.56cladhaireLegorol: that's your misconception
16:53.02cladhaireLEgorol: they're the exact same software
16:53.06Legorolcladhaire, i know that
16:53.07Beladonaif MS didn't bundle it, it would behave as he expects
16:53.13Legoroli am saying how it should work
16:53.15cladhaireLegorol: there is no difference between them =)
16:53.17Legoroli *am* angry at MS for this
16:53.22cladhaireLegorol: =)
16:53.34Beladonawelcome to the browser wars
16:53.41Legorolall i was trying to say that
16:53.45Legoroli am aware of all the behaviours
16:53.57cladhaireI'm just saying it doesn't "not" make sense =)
16:54.01Legorolbut as long as me typing a URL into a folder window launches IE (which i do often), i wont' hav another browser
16:54.02cladhairethe way its done currently
16:54.07Legorolsince i don't want to run two different browsers
16:54.16Beladonaseriously though, if you set IE to check for updates on every page, you cache will behave a bit better
16:54.33Legorolcladhaire, i claim that explorer.exe should pass any web URLs typed into the address bar through the URL moniker handler
16:54.35Legorolwhich it does not
16:54.50TainYep, it doesn't.
16:54.56Legorolthanks for the tip, Beladona
16:55.01KolthLegorol, you can make Explorer open in Firefox
16:55.04Legoroland that behaviour of explorer.exe is MS's fault
16:55.07TainWhether it should or not is the debate.
16:55.16BeladonaI just typed it into the explorer window and got the white page you described
16:55.16LegorolKolth: i am not trying to :-)
16:55.24Beladonathen I hit refresh and it didn't correct
16:55.38Beladonathen I spammed refresh 8 or 10 times and it worked
16:55.38LegorolBeladona: then your IE is loading an out of date version
16:55.40Legorolanyway, WDN is fixed for me now
16:55.44Beladonahence, shitty cache mechanics
16:55.46LegorolBeladona, didn't work for me
16:55.50Legorolhad to manually clear the files from the cache
16:56.01Legoroli agree that IE is shit
16:56.15Legorolbut as long as its so tightly bundled with windows that i can't *completely* replace, i won't run two browsers
16:56.17LegorolIE is adequate
16:56.20Beladonano biggy, lets go play wow
16:56.24BeladonaI need some help
16:56.26Legorolagreed!
16:56.29Legorollet's go fix bugs on 1.9
16:56.31Legorol:-)
16:56.35Beladonalol
16:56.43BeladonaI think they are fairly close to complete on it
16:56.48LegorolCosmos has some "issues" to say the least
16:56.54LegorolBeladona, i meant our stuff ;-)
16:56.57LegorolBlizz will do their job
16:57.05Beladonanot worried
16:57.08Beladonaall my stuff works
16:57.09Beladona=P
16:57.12Legorol:(
16:57.14Legorollucky you
16:57.27Legoroldid you change GetScale to GetEffectiveScale everywhere you should? ;-)
16:57.38BeladonaI don't use it
16:57.41Legorolmeh
16:57.45BeladonaI let wow manage my scaling
16:57.46LegorolCosmos has 20 addons using it..
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17:05.28TainIs SetScale() staying the same syntax?  Just the different scaling calculation?
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17:09.56BeladonaTain: I don't see anything that suggests syntax has changed for SetScale, but don't hold me to that
17:10.00sweedegrrrr..
17:10.16sweedei cant get stupid dab to work :|
17:16.58sweedethis sucks, i cant load custom layouts in discord action bars.
17:24.02futr-sleepsweede how are you trying to do it?
17:24.38Cairanyone playing? and if so, which side?
17:24.45futrtrublaliance
17:30.21sweedei'm trying to load a custom action bar file but it keeps giving me errors
17:30.27sweedei've tried 2.36 and 3.0h
17:30.28Beladoname, horde
17:31.37sweedehorde ftw
17:31.45Cairokay, definitely more geeks on Draka besides just us!  Guildname just seen?  PEBKAC
17:31.51Beladonahaha
17:32.03futrtrubl~wtf PEBKAC
17:32.07sweedewe have afk makin sammiches on our server
17:32.18CairProblem exists between keyboard and chair
17:32.30Cairclosely related to eye dee ten tee
17:32.40Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/sysadmin/6692/
17:33.12sweedewhen i try to load the custom frame in 3.0, i get an attempt to index field controlbox, and when i use 2.36 i get somethjing about DAB_Custom_LoadInterfaceSettings() error
17:33.22Cairlol Bela
17:33.39Cairdamn I need to use that site more often, so many good things I could be getting for hubby
17:33.53Beladonathat site is on ym speed dial
17:34.02CairI'll bet!
17:34.26Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/7184/
17:34.51Beladonaand this one is possibly one of my favorites
17:34.53Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/724a/
17:35.18Cairehehe, yeah, I've seen that one before
17:35.38kergothhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/pennyarcade/7b3d/
17:35.51OsagasuI have that one
17:36.13Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/29d2/
17:36.23Osagasuanduin, I found another bug with Archaeologist
17:36.49Osagasulemme show you a pic, then I'll describe how, kay? ^^
17:38.12kergothI used to have the "Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script." sticker on my cubicle
17:38.18Beladonaand this is an image everyone should have ready for forum posts
17:38.20Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/78ae/
17:38.49OsagasuI want that short
17:38.52Osagasushirt, even
17:39.05Beladonathinkgeek is so awesome
17:39.11Beladona"I see dead pixels"
17:39.13Beladonahaha
17:40.37OsagasuJoss Whedon is my master now
17:42.34Beladonakick ass
17:42.37CairHAH!  This one is mine:  http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/7675/
17:42.46BeladonaSELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0
17:43.04Beladona0 rows returned
17:43.19Osagasuthat'd be perfect for you, Cair
17:43.28Cair;)
17:43.31Osagasuhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/japanese/74d2/ <-- <3
17:43.39Beladonathe sad thing is, no one I know would get any of this
17:43.50Osagasuthat's the great part
17:44.06TainOw.  Who ordered me a large headache?
17:44.06Beladonaits more fun to make fun of people with a cohort
17:44.09Cairfor slouken:  http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/7666/
17:44.12Osagasuhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/japanese/74d2/
17:44.18Osagasuoops
17:44.18MaldiviaBeladona: question is, what would that return if performed in this channel ?
17:44.22Osagasuhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/japanese/7a3b/\
17:44.40Beladonayes
17:45.10Osagasuit depends on what clue is defined as
17:45.52Beladonawow
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17:46.22Cairoh hot damn! they have panties!
17:46.25BeladonaThis shirt is pretty self explanatory. It has two sleeves that you use to put your arms through, and a hole at the top your head pops out of.
17:46.29Nomad_WandererWhere!
17:46.31Osagasuhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/japanese/7a3b/
17:46.33Beladonahaha
17:46.36Cairhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/ladies/6792/
17:46.38Osagasuwtf?
17:46.46Osagasuhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/oreillyshirts/5bc2/
17:46.50Osagasuits not copying my links
17:46.55Osagasu>.<
17:47.26CairI still think the NSFW needs to be a tank or some such
17:47.33TainHey I have those panties
17:47.49Nomad_WandererWow. Customer action shots on the HTTPanties.
17:48.17Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/65a0/
17:48.23kergothi still like http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/pennyarcade/72ef/ , thats a classic
17:48.52BeladonaCLASSIC! http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/65a0/
17:49.01kergothhehe
17:49.22kremontei wake up and log on my level 10 druid in moonglade, now 2 60 druids are camping me, gg
17:49.48kergothheh
17:50.20Cairhehehehe:  http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/ladies/5b3d/
17:50.38kergothnice
17:50.47kremontenice lol
17:51.41kergothhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/668e/ :\
17:52.47BeladonaBow before me, for I am root
17:53.06kergoth/cry
17:53.13kergothhehe, i like http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/76aa/
17:53.26Beladonalol
17:53.53Cairhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/31fb/
17:54.03Beladonayeah
17:54.34kergothhahaha
17:54.36kergothi need http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/713e/
17:54.56kremontelol >.>
17:55.25CairI am still all for http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/77d0/
17:55.39BeladonaOMG
17:55.40Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/77d0/
17:55.44kremonteLOL
17:55.47kergothlol, thats awesome
17:55.49Beladonadoh
17:56.03Cair*purrs*
17:56.26CairOMG, there's a Leeroy Jenkins!
17:56.29OsagasuEpic Wang is so level 50
17:56.30Cairhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/7b7c/
17:56.35kergothhah
17:56.38Cairhahahahhaha
17:57.01kergothi like http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/6c76/ .   nice and simple
17:57.39Cairhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/6b9a/
17:57.53kergothhehe
17:58.14kergoth"I'm not saying that it happens all the time or anything. But, on the off chance that someone says that it is, in fact, your fault, you can just point to your shirt and shrug. What are they going to do, argue with your shirt? That's ridiculous."
17:58.27Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/science/738b/
17:58.43OsagasuPA ftw
17:59.11Osagasuof course, Iriel is the only one in one of *the* PA guilds, so we're the only ones that truly know and understand that
17:59.16Osagasu:P
18:00.23futrtrublHey I'm in a PA guild
18:00.33kremontePA? ._.
18:00.36Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/sysadmin/344f/
18:00.38*** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-66-123-190-42.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net)
18:00.44Osagasuspeak of the devil
18:00.49OsagasuIriel, been on DI recently
18:01.28IrielOsagasu : No, i'm a terrible Arcadian
18:01.38Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/pvp/6d25/
18:01.41IrielBlame Draka
18:01.47OsagasuI guess that makes one person that knows the true power of PA
18:01.49Osagasu;_;
18:02.14Beladonasoooo, am I the only Draka Horder today?
18:02.35IrielI'm torn between some draka time, and some coding time
18:02.53Beladona<waves his hand jedi style> Draka calls
18:03.29futrtrublyou know what, I think I am going to go play WoW for the first time in months
18:03.40kergothgood plan
18:03.43IrielDooooo eeet
18:03.56Beladonaooh, I think I am gonna order this one
18:03.58Beladonahttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/pvp/6d1f/
18:04.22futrtrublnow I have to go through the 40+ mods I have and get updated versions, everything I have is for 1.6 ;']
18:04.45IrielIs the wowguru patcher working yet?
18:04.49IrielThat may make your life easier
18:05.11BeladonaI believe it is still in beta
18:05.20futrtrublwell, most of the mods are Cosmos ones, I think I'll swap them out for "real" mods ;']
18:05.21Irielaye, but does it work ?
18:05.33Iriel"real" mods.
18:05.36Beladonalol
18:06.35Beladonalol, Killer Coding Ninja Monkeys
18:07.02Irielwho are we today, on draka?
18:07.03IrielHorde?
18:07.21Cairdamnit, why didn't I think to hit this site sooner, I could have done all my christmas shopping ... not a chance stuff'll get here in time now, though
18:07.23Beladonadunno, I am the only one on the horde side
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18:07.33Cairhey lego
18:08.01IrielLet's see what the rest XP gods have given me
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18:12.02Cairbela:  http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4353
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18:12.45Cairhey Cide
18:12.55Beladonawas thinking more on the lines of one attached to the PlayerWindow
18:13.05Beladonamy try that one though
18:13.23Cairdamnit, there is one, lemme try to find
18:13.48Cidehi Cair
18:15.53BeladonaI thought CT Mod had it
18:15.57Beladonaunless I am missing it
18:16.10Cairnope
18:16.19CairGypsy does
18:16.20Beladonathey used to didn't they?
18:16.23cladhaireBela: Gypsy
18:16.25Cairbut there was also a stand alone
18:16.35Cairnot on WoWI after all though, thought it was
18:16.37Cairbummer
18:16.40Beladonano biggy
18:16.48Beladonaif I dont find a standalone, I am making it
18:16.54Cairnot going looking, since it isn't on our site :p
18:17.09cladhaireWatchDog is getting an experience bar for the playerframe
18:17.09cladhairelol
18:17.12Cairpretty sure there's a stand alone, just don't remember where
18:22.48Cairhttp://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2383 , http://www.curse-gaming.com/modscreens.php?id=2747 , http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=76
18:23.44Beladonalol
18:23.55BeladonaI was already making one, and it is similar to that second one
18:24.02Beladonaoh well, saves me time
18:24.28Beladonawill probably need to update it
18:24.31Beladonasince he cancelled it
18:24.37Beladonamaybe I will release it on wowi
18:24.47Cairgo ahead and make your own, and give to us!
18:24.58Cair;)
18:28.30futrtrublBeladona, I can update BEB to attach to the player frame
18:28.41BeladonaI know
18:28.47Beladonaso could I
18:29.02futrtrublI have a new version coming out with rate info today anyway, might as well add that
18:32.52futrtrublokay, PlayerFrame is now added to the attach to frame drop down menu. Uploading 0.8 to WoWI now
18:36.23IrielThat's pretty good addon support..
18:36.29Irielfeature request to new feature in under an hour
18:37.12Cidehehe yeah, wish that happened for every request
18:37.13futrtrubl;']
18:37.30futrtrublwhat's your request Cide?
18:37.43CideI don't have one
18:37.49LegorolBeladona, i have a request for wdn
18:38.07Legorolis it possible that you make available a single diff file for a particular set of changes?
18:38.23Legorole.g. i could download diff for 1.8.4-to-0.9.0
18:38.41Legorolwhich would list all changes to all files, in standard (not concise) diff format
18:38.44Legorolthat'd be very cool
18:39.04Beladonathat would be easy
18:39.12Beladonaunix diff ok?
18:39.43Beladonawill add it to my next revision
18:41.44Legorolyes a simple unix diff
18:41.55Legorolwithout the -c (concise or whatever it's called) option
18:42.08Legorolthe most awesome thing would be if i could download such a diff between any two arbitrary versions
18:42.16Beladonaworking on that
18:42.18Nomad_WandererWhy not a .patch?
18:42.33Legorol.patch has too much detail and not human readable easily
18:42.46BeladonaI am working on an AJAX system
18:42.54Beladonathat will let you run compares between any version
18:42.56Beladonaon the fly
18:43.00Legorolthat's nice
18:43.09Legorolso if it can also generate the diff to go with it, that'd be super
18:43.23Beladonaand am also toying with an xml api browser
18:43.32Cairokay futrtrubl ... how the hell do I move this thing to my player window? :p
18:43.34Beladonalike this: http://bindows.net/bindows/samples/apibrowser/
18:44.18Legorolthe reason why i like the diffs is that it makes it easier to read through all the changes in one go
18:44.22Legorolwithout having to click each file in turn
18:44.30Beladonawell
18:44.33Legorolonce you have that, i can stop doing my own compares alltogether :-)
18:44.38Beladonathere would still be separate diffs
18:44.43Legorol:(
18:44.47Legorolcan't you concat them?
18:44.47Beladonaunless you are talking about making a zip with the diffs
18:44.51Legorolno
18:44.54Beladonaguess
18:44.55Legoroli am talking about a single text file
18:44.59Legorolwith all diffs concated
18:45.06Beladonasuppose I could
18:45.21Legorolwhich would have say only 2-3 lines for ChatFrame.lua if a single line changed in ChatFrame.lua
18:45.33Beladonaright
18:45.37Legorolyou know how if you run the Unix diff command on two directories,
18:45.46Beladonathe problem is, some people are going to want to have a diff for a specific file
18:45.48Legorolit produces a concatted output of all individual diffs
18:45.57Legorolthen create individual diffs,
18:46.03Legoroland if i want a global diff, just concatenate them
18:46.04BeladonaI can do it
18:46.09Legorolwith filenames inserted as separators
18:46.19BeladonaI can create single diffs, and then concate them via php freads
18:46.25Beladonashould be easy
18:46.27Legorolsounds good
18:46.33Legoroldon't forget to include complete (relative) path
18:46.46Beladonado me a favor?
18:46.49Legorole.g. AddOns\BattlefiledMinimap\BFM.toc
18:46.50Legorol:-)
18:46.50Beladonapost this in the wowi forums
18:46.59Legorolwhich area?
18:47.01Beladonathat way I can refer back to it
18:47.03Legorolsure
18:47.16Beladonahttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1245
18:51.51Legorolok posted
18:51.55Legorollet me know if i should add anything
18:52.00Beladonakk
18:54.50kergothNomad_Wanderer, Legorol: a .patch _is_ unix diff command output.  just most commonly a unified diff.
18:55.22Nomad_WandererA .patch file can be used to automate changes tho.. I don't think a Diff can be used that way.
18:55.32kergothagain, a .patch is unix diff command output
18:56.01Nomad_WandererOk.
18:56.13kergothi use patches and patch series every day on countless projects.  the most common command to generate patches is diff -urNd
18:57.52BeladonaI can do any of the above. I will lively beta the project first so that I can see what testers think of it before making it live
18:57.57Beladonalikely*
19:01.56Legorolkergoth: yes i know a .patch is a diff output
19:02.07Legorolit's a particular form of diff output known as a concise diff, if i'm not mistaken
19:02.16Legorolit makes it easier for patch to update files, but is less human readable
19:02.23Legorolmaybe it's called context diff, not sure
19:02.29Beladonait is
19:02.35Beladonamine wil probably be inified
19:02.39Beladonaunified*
19:02.45Legoroli think that's the same thing
19:03.37Legorollet me check
19:04.24Legorolah right sorry i am wrong
19:04.30Legorola unified diff and a context diff are not the same
19:04.36Beladona=)
19:04.57Legorolunified diffs do come with context, whereas a standard one doesn't, by default
19:05.02Legorolat least on my version of the diff command
19:05.18Legorolall of these can be overriden by options of course
19:05.23Beladonaright
19:05.24Legorolgo with the one that's most human readable
19:05.40Legoroldiff : gives minimal information
19:05.47Legoroldiff -u : unified diff with default 3 lines context
19:05.55Legoroldiff -c : context diff with default 3 lines context
19:06.10Legorolthanks a lot Beladona
19:06.39TemIs there any way to know where the caret is in an editbox?
19:07.29Beladonanot easily Tem, you would probably have to iterate through the contents of the editbox while it has focus, but I doubt it would be good performancewise
19:08.30IrielTem: There doesn't appear to be, though you could use Insert to find it, I suppose
19:08.40IrielNot sure how you'd fix it afterwards tho
19:08.43IrielMaybe a slouken question
19:08.59Temrats
19:09.13Legorolinsert a special symbol
19:09.16Legorolthen look for it in the text
19:09.24LegorolTextInsert("non-breakingspace")
19:09.31Nomad_WandererLike a |h :P
19:09.37Legorolstring.find(editbox:GetText(), "non-breakingspace")
19:09.46Temyeah, but how am I going to pick a symbol that the user will /never/ have
19:09.57Legorolan ascii control char?
19:10.02Legorolin the range 0-32
19:10.16Temthat's not a bad idea at all
19:10.23Legoroli think even in UTF-8 (which WoW uses) those correspond to themselves
19:10.27Temeven better if it's invisible
19:10.28Legorolso it will localize correctly
19:10.37Legorolyou'd need to doublecheck the UTF-8 standard
19:10.53Legorolbut afaik, even as part of a multibyte sequence, you can't have 0-32 to mean anything other than itself
19:11.04Legorolso a user will never be able to type it on a keyboard
19:11.13Legorolmaybe it's not 0-32, but 0-16, whatever the control chars are
19:12.07IrielAll the <128 chars mean themselves
19:12.13Irielall the multibyte chars have the top bit set
19:12.24TemI'm just going to use \0
19:12.46Temexcellent, thanks everyone
19:12.51Irielproblem is yo ucan't put the thing back afterwards
19:13.05Temyes you can
19:13.10TemEditBox:GetText()
19:13.22TemEditBox:Insert("\0")
19:13.29TemEditBox:GetText()
19:13.50TemEditBox:SetText(theTextBeforeYouPlayedWithIt)
19:13.59Temoh
19:14.13Temthat will screwup the caret position won't it
19:14.27IrielI think it might yes
19:14.37Temcurses!
19:14.41TemI'll go test
19:16.39TemThis is a lot harder to test that I would have hoped
19:16.47Irielas for what character to use
19:16.58IrielIt doesn't matter if it's one the user could type
19:17.09Irielyou may as well use something normal like 'x'
19:17.16Iriel\0 is just ASKING for trouble
19:17.42CideTem asks for trouble
19:17.53Cidehe's trying to find new ways to crash the game
19:18.07kergothi dont think he needs to try
19:18.20Cide/script x = 1;
19:18.23CideCRASH!
19:19.08TemUsing a character the user could type makes it harder
19:19.28TemAND makes it possible for the user to see my change (which I don't want)
19:19.46Temso any suggestsion for characters in the range 1-32?
19:20.20IrielHow would they see your change?
19:20.26IrielYou're getting and setting before you return
19:20.36Irielthe editbox wont be repainted until AFTER your corrective SetText
19:21.27IrielAnyway, tab would be logical choice, would it not?
19:22.05TemI suppose
19:22.24Temand that's 6? or 7?
19:22.28Iriel8
19:22.35Irielor 9
19:22.37Tem9!
19:22.38Irielwhichever one BS isn't
19:22.43Tem8 is backstab
19:22.49Tembackspace*
19:22.57Temum... ignore that type
19:23.01Temtypo
19:23.10Irielman ascii FTW
19:25.27Temhmm HasScript is a confusing name
19:25.36Irielyes
19:25.39Temdoes it return if the frame CAN have that script type?
19:25.46Irielslouken said afterwards that he regretted the choice
19:25.49Irielbut it was too late to change
19:25.51Temor if it ACTUALLY has
19:25.51IrielYes
19:25.56Temthe first one?
19:26.00IrielHasAPlaceForScriptEvenIfItsNotUsed
19:26.13TemI wonder why he couldn't change it
19:26.52IrielI think he missed the code freeze on the patch it went in with
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19:27.46Osa|Laptop:P
19:27.46TemThat seems like such a foreign practice to me
19:27.54Temis it a common thing out in the "real world"?
19:28.35IrielCode freezes?
19:29.07Temyeah code freezes
19:29.18IrielThey're a practical necessity of most sizable QA processes
19:29.55TemSeems like if the code is divided into enough small teams they become a burden instead of a help
19:31.30TemHey guess what
19:31.46IrielThey'er not usually required for small endeavours
19:31.49TemSetting the text DOESN'T lose the caret's position
19:31.53IrielThe caret doesn't move unless it has to?
19:31.57IrielCool, does insert move it?
19:32.01Temyes
19:32.32Tembut since you are removing what you inserted afterward, the user can't tell
19:32.38Osa|Laptopfear the power of macros!
19:33.18Irieldoesn't that move the caret one place ot the right if the user wasn't AT the right?
19:35.17Temdoesn't appear to
19:35.30Temmaybe because I'm adding an invisible character
19:36.07Irielthat makes tab completion tricky doesn't it?
19:36.45Ktron|afkpff, there must be a way to set height of frames in LUA, but why is not listed in the API Frame functions?
19:36.52Temhow's that?
19:37.08IrielSetHeight?
19:37.13IrielYou mean?
19:37.31IrielLayoutFrame:SetHeight(height) - Set the height of the object.
19:37.47TemOh well if I use "\0" it doesn't move the caret
19:37.53Tembut if I use \9 it does
19:38.00KtronIriel: you got it iriel... maybe I'll register on WoWWiki and add that to this category? http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:API_Frame_Functions
19:38.11Ktronor is there a different category it belongs in?
19:38.27TemLayout Frame
19:38.55IrielThat page is 'perfect' in terms of coverage
19:38.56KtronThere's no Layout Frame Subcategory of the API Functions category either
19:39.02IrielThpough the descriptions aren't always right
19:39.06IrielThere wouldn't be
19:39.19Iriel"That page" being Widget API
19:39.20Irielsorry
19:39.28IrielA lot of the widget functions aren't documented
19:39.34Irielhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API
19:39.37IrielThat's the page ou want
19:39.44IrielThe descriptions are all tehre, just not the details
19:40.08Iriel(Sorry, trying to play and talk at the same time 88-))
19:41.06KtronNot at all Iriel, you more than answered my question... heh, is there a reason why it makes sense to consider the Widget API differently like this?
19:41.16Ktron(I expect there is)
19:41.30IrielThan what? Categories? Or the main API page?
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19:41.44KtronThan a subcat of API Functions
19:41.59IrielFrom a category perspective, it's not any different, it's just that there's very little detailed documentation of those functions relative to the standard API
19:42.12IrielSo adding categories to those that ARE there would be good, just nobody's done it yet
19:42.13KtronLike, I notice these are 'methods' up top... Alright, I guess that makes sense
19:43.01KtronI'll keep that in mind
19:44.04IrielThe widget API page is the easiest 'reference' page too
19:44.11Irielit's not quite as out of control as the main API one
19:44.24IrielAnd it's separate because of the method thing
19:45.31Iriel(They used to be on one page, and it was far too messy)
19:53.44IrielTem: Does EditBox:HighlightText move the caret to the start of the highlighted section?
19:55.49Osa|LaptopO.o
19:55.55Osagasuo.O
19:56.02TemIriel: I don't know yet
19:56.20TemI agreed to help someone in my guild who was foolish enough to be on a pickup ubrs run
19:56.25Temit's pretty nasty
19:57.17Temdamn
19:59.58Cairthere ya go guys, choose your icon :p
20:00.25Cairhttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12181#post12181
20:00.47Cair19 to pick from :p
20:03.37futrtrublwrench ;']
20:03.47Beladonawrench, scroll, or lock
20:03.52Cairvote THERE, not HERE
20:04.00BeladonaI am
20:04.03futrtrublok, did that too ;']
20:04.20Cair;)
20:04.27Cairand can only pick one :p
20:05.11Beladonawhat!
20:05.13Beladonagrrrr
20:05.16Cairhehehe
20:05.19Cairnaw, it's okay
20:05.27BeladonaI put them in order of favorite
20:05.32IrielI did too
20:05.51CairIriel! LOL
20:05.56futrtrublwhat? no can of caffienated energy drink icon?
20:05.57Cairwench indeed
20:06.17Beladonacan we get a tabard that says: Bow Before me, for I am root?
20:06.24CairI have to admit, part of me is completely amused by the idea of the lock
20:07.14futrtrublthen the guild name would have to be <Signed> or <Secure> or whatever it is.
20:07.21Beladonanah
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20:08.41Cairso yeah, I like this, I log out to get that post done, and you guys all poof on me, sheesh!
20:09.05BeladonaI was finishing up my addon
20:09.09Beladonawill be right back on
20:09.21Cair;)
20:09.34Irielsorry, I gained 2 levels and decided it was time to go back to hard addon-development labor.
20:09.51TemCrossbones!
20:10.08Beladonabecause you like to kill the UI?
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20:11.43CairI was figuring that if we go with a geek-ish icon, we can use the skull & crossbones trim
20:12.08Beladonayeah!
20:12.10TemWell bad nes
20:12.11Cairand was thinking about colours, too ... we could do Linux on one side and MS on the other
20:12.12BeladonaI like that trim
20:12.12Tem/script local c = ChatFrameEditBox local ot,t,t2 = c:GetScript("OnTabPressed") c:SetScript("OnTabPressed",function()t=c:GetText()c:Insert("\0")t2=c:GetText()DevTools_Dump(string.find(t2,"\0",1))
20:12.21Temdumps nil
20:12.22Cair;)
20:12.41IrielDoes the \0 actually get added?
20:12.45Beladonaor, BLack/Gold for Horde, and Blue/Gold for ALliance
20:12.51TemI'm thinking no
20:12.54IrielSince the code tranisitons into C at some point, I have a suspicion your string just ends
20:13.03ScytheBlade1Turn on chat logging and see
20:13.06IrielSee if you can move the highlight thoo
20:13.19IrielI mean, move the caret with the highlight function
20:14.02IrielI'd be willing to bet if we CANT get this working, that asking slouken for an 'EditBox:GetPoint()' method would be successful
20:14.32TemI would agree
20:14.42Temhe is usually nice about it when we can't do something
20:14.53TemEven when we try the hackish workarounds
20:15.15Tem/sigh
20:15.26Temcan you write up a test case for moving the caret?
20:15.37Temwe're about to pull drakk
20:15.47Temand I think I might have to pay attention during the fight for once
20:16.26Beladonaback soon, getting food
20:17.44futrtrublany lvl 60 char people around to test my mod?
20:18.17TemCair: my votes for the tabard are #2 and #11
20:19.07IrielI think the wench (*grin*) will win
20:19.32Bela|AFKI hope so
20:19.40Bela|AFKshe needs to put up another vote for colors
20:19.51Bela|AFKafter we pick an icon
20:20.07IrielTem: Post in the wowi thread
20:20.10IrielOr cair will beat you
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20:21.35cladhaireyou're not very good at being afk bela
20:21.53cladhairei'm using the rest experience on my alts
20:21.59cladhairebefore i go back to coding
20:22.08cladhairei have too many ideas for bishop, i dont know where to draw the line
20:22.08Temoh
20:22.19Temrofl!
20:22.28Temso this ubrs group is terrible
20:22.31IrielWhat does that do, make sure you always move diagonally?
20:22.38Temeveryone was down except for me and another mage
20:22.39cladhaireIriel: Yep =)
20:22.42Temat 15%
20:22.46Irielcladhaire : Awesome!
20:22.51Temwe managed to kite him
20:22.53cladhaireno.. its the healing statistic meter
20:23.04cladhairetracks true overhealing, mana effieicney, and other funness
20:23.31cladhairebut people want it to be the "healer's" damagemeters, with syncing, etc
20:23.37cladhaireand i just dont know what to include and what to leave out
20:23.37Temcladhaire is obsessed with statistics
20:23.46cladhaireit happens.
20:23.57cladhaireits odd that satrina and i ended up together.. cause we fuel each other
20:23.58cladhaireits kinda sick
20:24.52IrielI count myself lucky i didn't end up on the same server
20:25.01cladhaireHaha
20:25.05IrielI lose enough time to WoW as it is
20:25.13cladhairewe would have recruited you.. we needed hunters earlier on =)
20:25.13Cairit's funny, Iriel and Bela, you guys were all for the Gears, in game, now you're both going for the wrench
20:25.25IrielThe gears look kinda lame
20:25.29Irielcompared to the wrench
20:27.35krem`BWLis there anywhere with SS's of the updated t2 stats? just got nemesis boots
20:27.39cladhairewrench
20:27.53futrtrublno 60s available for a 5 minute test?
20:28.05cladhaireFutr: what do you need tested.. i'm questing but i could test in a bit
20:28.17CairI'm also surprised you guys didn't laugh about the gravestone :p
20:28.38futrtrublI just need to make sure my new vrsion of BEB fixes an issues with lvl 60 chars
20:28.57IrielI think it should have been 'killed in the forum for not reading the FAQ'
20:29.13Cairwell, that too
20:29.17cladhaireBEB?
20:29.29IrielBring Extra Booze
20:29.38Cairhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4353
20:29.38cladhaireO.o
20:29.44Cairthat's the one I forgot!
20:29.49cladhairewell i'll need a few =)
20:29.49CairI *knew* I had had 20
20:29.51cladhairei'm on my mage
20:29.52futrtrubllike iriel said BasicExperienceBar
20:30.04Cairthere was the one of the two beer steins
20:30.24IrielI see that one too much on Dark Iron (when i'm there) to be able to vote for it for us
20:31.00futrtrublI'd still go for the wrench cair
20:33.13Cairfutrtrubl, okay, further request on beb
20:33.24Cairnow make it so that it can go *behind* the character name
20:34.19futrtrublFrameLevel options will be the next to go in
20:35.20Cair*purrs at futrtrubl*
20:36.09TemWow...
20:36.22TemI just go screwed out of magister's robe again
20:36.28Tem/begin rant
20:36.30Cair:( Tem
20:36.34TemI've seen it drop 4 times
20:36.46TemTWICE I've been outrolled by a 58 in their first ubrs run
20:36.58Temonce it was masterlooted to the wrong person
20:37.15Temand once I was not allowed to roll (I was the only mage) because I had already gotten a blue
20:37.49Tem(in that run they gave it to a 59 priest with Robes of Prophecy that she couldn't wear yet because she wasn't 60)
20:38.10cladhairewow.. you group with assholes.
20:38.12TemOh, if I hadn't been there they would have wiped
20:38.24TemI SOLOED drakk for the last 15% of his health
20:38.29Tem(not kidding)
20:38.52Tem(I kited him around the room shooting frostbolts at him when stopped to flamestike)
20:39.19TemI was the only one alive at that point
20:39.28cladhairefrost mage ftw
20:39.45Temyay for having near infinite mana if I don't have to cast constantly
20:39.48Tem/endrant
20:40.00TemThis is why I don't do pickup groups
20:40.25cladhairegood policy
20:40.31Tem3 of those 4 were raids before my guild had enough people to do UBRS
20:40.38Tem(I was the first 60 in my guild)
20:40.42Cairya know, ever single time I see/write "sticky threads", I can't help but go ewwwww
20:41.11TemCair: lol
20:41.18Cairrofl Nomad_Wanderer
20:42.35Cairoh, hey, I discovered something neat while on Alliance side earlier ... we aren't the only geeks on Draka ... there's a guild <PEBKAC>
20:42.57krem`BWL[ 03:37 ] [Tem] (in that run they gave it to a 59 priest with Robes of Prophecy that she couldn't wear yet because she wasn't 60)
20:42.58krem`BWLWTF?
20:43.56Temkrem`BWL: cladhaire put it perfectly, I used to group with assholes
20:44.15cladhairei remember those days =
20:44.16cladhaire=)
20:44.25TemI do too :(
20:44.39Temso I've been 60 for 7 or 8 months now
20:44.48Osagasuhehe
20:44.56cladhaireIts been.. wow.. a year for me.
20:44.56Osagasuthat like an ID 10-T error?
20:45.08Temand this guy who just started his character like a few months ago just got roll priority over me
20:45.16cladhairewow
20:45.16TemI feel so cheated
20:45.18cladhairesick
20:45.23Cairand people wonder why I have 0 interest in getting to the end game?
20:45.41TemCair: the end game is /fun/ with your guild
20:45.51Cair*what* guild?
20:45.53Temthe end game fucking blows with random ackasses
20:46.00cladhaire<Silent Transcendence> on Stormrage imo
20:46.06cladhairewhich you happen to be a member of
20:46.16Tem<-- <Shadow Trbe>
20:46.30cladhaireI made Cair join our guild.
20:46.31Osagasu<--- <Whatever guild I'm in ATM>
20:46.44TemI've been in 2 guild my whole of WoW
20:46.55krem`BWLwell, it's not that fun always
20:46.58Temand the first I was only in for a few weeks
20:47.00Cairactually ... I deleted ... and besides which, I'm lvl 1 ... and besides *which* ... I actually do have a guild that I should play with once in a while ... it consists of myself, my parents, my hubby and my daughter
20:47.11Cairmind you, hubby & daughter never have time to play,but meh
20:47.15cladhaireI was in <Guardians of Paradise> which I left to join <AScending Dawn> which split off to <Silent Transcnedence>
20:47.17cladhaireCari: boo =)
20:47.36TemI was in the first guild on my server, but it got too big
20:47.50Temthen I founded my current guild with some people I met in darkshire
20:48.08TemWe're almost at a year
20:48.18Tem12-28-05 will be 1 year for us
20:48.39Temkinda weird to realize your guild has been formed for nearly a year
20:48.48cladhaireTem: I love ItemCompare.. i feel naked without it now.
20:48.52Temlol
20:48.56TemIt has issues
20:49.03Tembut It's mostly working
20:49.24TemEquip +10 defence will confuse it
20:49.42cladhaireEquip: +60 AP when fighting beasts confuses it a little
20:49.42Temand it doesn't show you any of the Use or Equip lines that you are missing out on
20:49.45Temyea
20:50.00Temany line with +<number> in it will confuse it
20:50.10TemI need to make my parsing more robust
20:51.32Temactually, if anyone wants to completely rewrite my parsing, I'd love to let you
21:01.25KtronAnduinLothar: you win
21:01.36krem`BWLzero sum dkp sucks when you're learning bosses in an instance
21:01.39krem`BWLjeez
21:01.48KtronMobileFrames is worth it, if not simply for the ability to have more than two info panels open
21:02.24Maldiviakrem`BWL: no loot, no points? :)
21:03.36Beladonamm, queue on Draka
21:03.40krem`BWLMaldivia - yup, 2.5 DKP per run when we were on razorgore, NOW everyone starts signing up and is racing past me in DKP because i every other run 30mins early
21:05.46Maldiviakrem`BWL: are you using fixed values for items, or bidding ?
21:07.29krem`BWLfixed points for items
21:07.51OsagasuForgotten chat is now officially cool. ^^
21:08.00krem`BWLforgotten chat?
21:08.41Beladonahttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4384
21:09.13krem`BWLnice
21:09.15krem`BWL=o
21:09.23krem`BWLits like an IM
21:09.30Beladonayeah
21:09.51Beladonayou can alias people too
21:10.30Maldiviayeah, sometimes query-windows could be nice, when talking to 3-4 different people at the same time
21:10.57clad|afkWhen/where does "this" exist as far as LUA goes, or is that strictly a wow thing
21:11.17krem`BWLi should make simple ffxi-esque things for chat, like <t> <me> and <pos>
21:12.12futrtrublclad, a WoW thing
21:12.27clad|afkis it a global, or passed as an argument anywhere?
21:12.38futrtrublglobal
21:12.39Maldiviaglobal
21:12.50clad|afkthought so
21:13.33futrtrublwhat do addons that have no xml get for "this" or do they?
21:14.16Irielthis is a global, a wow thing
21:14.26Irielunless it's explicitly defined as something else in someone's code
21:14.40Irielthis is set and managed by the UI event dispatcher
21:14.52Maldivia"this" is set when an On* script-block is called from the client, afaik
21:14.53clad|afkthanks.
21:15.24TainHoly crap how can my head hurt after two vicodin.
21:15.52TainAnyone have any morphine?
21:16.03GenNMXWhat is a good way to catch if /reload is used?
21:16.04Maldiviayou werwe tricked by the pharmacy, and bought placebo instead?
21:16.05Cairlol, Iriel, you're being maligned in guild chat
21:16.43IrielOh?
21:16.46Irielby whom?
21:16.48Osagasume
21:16.52Irielfigures
21:17.10OsagasuTOC is pronounced Toke
21:17.14Irielwhat are you griping about? My inability to do IRC and WoW at the same time.
21:17.24IrielHm, not by me it isn't 8-)
21:17.26TainTock tock tock
21:17.27krem`BWLlies, Osagasu
21:17.30krem`BWL"tock"
21:17.34Cairno, he's just calling you a pothead
21:17.40Osagasu^^
21:18.13Osagasuall of use are tokers in a way then. :P
21:18.21Osagasusome more literal than others
21:18.27Osagasu4:20 is just around the corner
21:18.38KtronThe Queen's Jewel of Striking turned a lot of heads
21:18.47Maldivia4:20 is long past
21:18.55Osagasuits 4:18 here
21:19.03futrtrubl4:20 is well in the future
21:19.13Maldivia22:19 here :)
21:19.24TainIt's always 4:20 somewhere in the world.
21:19.26Beladonahttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2563
21:19.30Beladonamake sure everyone votes
21:19.44Beladona~tabard
21:19.49MaldiviaTain, not always... only 1-2 times pr hour :)
21:20.04Beladonapurl, tabard is <reply>http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2563 - vote for your tabard!
21:20.05purlokay, Beladona
21:20.05futrtrublCair, could you link to the thread in the topic for this channel
21:20.10Beladona~tabard
21:20.11purlhttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2563 - vote for your tabard!
21:22.28Depherioslucky humans... tabards not stretching ruining the picture
21:24.26TainOk I voted.
21:25.44futrtrublwe're just going with the herd
21:25.58DepheriosI picked THEN looked XD
21:26.15TainMe too also
21:26.23TainWhich should be evidenced by the fact that no one else voted for the things I did.
21:28.04Osagasuwatch my parents come home right now
21:28.07Osagasu<.<;
21:28.43IrielAnd i'll kill anyone who suggests that a 'toolkit' would help.
21:29.11Osagasua toolkit *might* help
21:29.27Osagasu^^
21:29.48IrielYou can survive that comment 8-) But no, in this case it wouldnt.
21:31.33TemIriel: HighlightText doesn't move the carent
21:31.36TemCaret*
21:31.48IrielTem: 8-(
21:31.58IrielI assume removing and adding text might?
21:32.06IrielBut thee's no way to move it BACKWARDS?
21:32.24IrielActually does SetText move it backwards?
21:32.30IrielI mean, forwards
21:32.43IrielIf it's say "Bob" and you have the caret after the b, and you set it to "Spider"
21:32.50Irieldoes it move to be after the r or stay after the i
21:32.56Iriel(Using SetText, not Insert, that is)
21:33.19Temyes I belive it does
21:33.24TemBelieve*
21:33.29Irielyou believe it stays? or moves?
21:33.34IrielIf it stays then you can do it..
21:33.50Temmoves
21:34.05IrielDamn
21:34.08IrielI was hoping you could do
21:34.12clad|afkany chance that MERCHANT_CLOSED fires twice in a row?
21:34.26Iriel:SetText("Put the caret") :SetText("Put the caret before this bit")
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21:35.25futrtrublbtw, why are you needing to move the caret Tem?
21:36.10TemIriel: I just confirmed it, SetText, moves the caret to the end of what you SetText to
21:36.29Cairfutrtrubl: approved
21:36.38futrtrubldanke Cair
21:36.45TemHowever, it seems to be smart enough to become a noop if the text you send is the same as it's current text
21:36.47Cairand in future, beep one of us if you've got one in the queue :)
21:36.53IrielSo how does the mail frame do it?
21:37.00IrielWhen it does the autocomplete the caret doesn't move
21:37.14Temso FontString:SetText(FontString:GetText)) won't move the caret
21:37.22TemIriel: yes it does move the caret
21:37.26futrtrublCair: thanks but nah, no special treatment, and certainly no rush
21:37.31Tembut it hightlights the text
21:37.39Irielbut the caret stays put
21:37.42Cairthat's for everyone, not just you
21:37.43Cideno, I just confirmed
21:37.45IrielI can type 'Iri' and it fills in 'el'
21:37.47Temso further typing overwrites the hightlighted text
21:37.48Cideit moves the caret to the end
21:37.52Irielbut the cursor is left ebfore the text
21:37.52Cairwe like to be on top of that :)
21:37.55Cideyep, like Tem says
21:38.08Cidesince the rest is highlighted, it gets overwritten when you type a new letter, even if the caret is at the end
21:38.29futrtrubl;']
21:38.35IrielOh, so it does
21:38.39IrielI could have sworn it didn't
21:38.41Irielah well 8-(
21:38.48Cairomg!
21:38.57futrtrubl?
21:39.26Temfutrtrubl: I'm creating a tab completion mod for chat, and I'm trying to work out where the caret is so that I can accurately complete what the user is actually typing instead of what is at the end
21:39.27CairIriel didn't know something!
21:39.28Iriel<PROTECTED>
21:39.36IrielBah, there's tons I dont know (or get wrong)
21:39.50IrielI will at least go and test it when someone challenges me 8-)
21:40.00Cair:)
21:40.20Irieli.e. can you highlight something and then :Insert("")
21:40.24Irielto remove it
21:40.37OsagasuMe, I'm almost always right.  thats why I never say anything, I might get it wrong. ^_^
21:40.47futrtrublthank god Cair, I though you had caught the virus I packaged with BEB. Whew.
21:40.52Cidehmm, I've found out that the base hp and mana calculation is highly illogical
21:41.01Cair... futrtrubl
21:41.16IrielCide: it's probably table based, rather than calculated
21:41.22Cideya, it is
21:41.23IrielCide: Game developers like to do that to annoy us
21:41.30Cidebut the base stat isn't
21:41.36Cidestats*
21:41.47IrielI used to find all sorts of discontinuities in some of the data from CoH
21:41.56Cidemage uses: if level <= 27 then gainMp = level + 23
21:41.59Irielwhich I were sure were copy-paste bugs
21:42.07Cideelse, gainMp = 51
21:42.12Cair~whaleslap futrtrubl
21:42.14purlI'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap futrtrubl over the head with it.....
21:42.19TainYeah but CoH had the most fun ability to ever be in an online game.
21:42.22TainSuper Jump!
21:42.45Cidebut for level 4, 8 and 17, it is -15 from the normal one, and 5 and 9 are +15 from normal
21:42.45futrtrubl_ouch_
21:42.54Cide50 is -8 from normal and 51 is -7 from normal :/
21:43.27futrtrublyou should look at xp gain from killing mobs of lower lvl than your own, now that is some funky stuff
21:43.44TemCide: how did you collect all that data?
21:43.50MoonWolffutrtrubl, exlain.
21:43.54Cidewowvault had a table
21:44.01Cidecombined with the news post at www.ctmod.net
21:44.20TainWell EQ had every 5 levels after 30 (I think it was) taking like twice as much exp to get to the next level.  Then back to normal for 4 more levels.
21:44.22futrtrublMoonWolf, better if I show you, excel table incoming
21:44.27Cidethen I just figured out the base formula, and then found the oddities :/
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21:44.52MoonWolfThanks
21:44.55Cideheh, that's just to annoy you Tain :P
21:45.04Cair~tabard
21:45.06purlhttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2563 - vote for your tabard!
21:46.06MoonWolf*boggle's*
21:47.09krem`BWLflamegor just 1/2 shot me :(
21:47.37Guillotinecair, won't it be a while before we have 10g to design a tabard?
21:47.43MoonWolfthis is really weird.
21:47.51MoonWolfwhat happend to logic with xp gain....
21:47.58futrtrubl;']
21:48.18futrtrublthere is logic... for mobs your level and higher, breaks down for lower though
21:49.03MoonWolfyeah thats what i mean
21:49.12futrtrublwhich suhcs, 'cause I wanted to be able to predict xp gain from any mob
21:49.19MoonWolfim sure there is a perfectly explaining formula.....
21:49.20TainNah, 10g is easy!
21:49.35Guillotineon a new server?
21:49.40Guillotinenot really
21:49.56futrtrubltime to Auction Whore
21:49.57TainJust wait until I unleash my auction brokering skills.
21:50.13MoonWolfto many people are auction brokering... nerf those people.
21:50.23Guillotinecair: i got a question
21:50.34TainI used to make 50-100g a day.  Before everyone jumped in on the act.
21:50.52futrtrublme too Tain, I miss the days
21:50.56krem`BWLmage just crit 7k, orz
21:51.02futrtrublstill, I saved up enough to last me a while
21:51.23TainI bought so much crap.. I bought the 700-1000g purples just because I could.
21:51.40krem`BWLTem, are you a mage?
21:51.45Temaye
21:51.55krem`BWLzomg use your toep and crit for 7k like a guildie just did =O
21:52.08MoonWolftoep ?
21:52.08krem`BWLtake that, lucky bastard! *cry*
21:52.15krem`BWLtalisman of ephemeral powert
21:52.23Temin BWL some mobs have rediculous low frost resist
21:52.26MoonWolfdoes tain have one ?
21:52.29krem`BWLyep XD
21:52.33TemI've seen a 9k FB crit before
21:52.43krem`BWLi got a 6k SB crit, he just used ZHC and TOEP and crit 7k twice in a row
21:52.45MoonWolffutrtrubl, i cant pm.. and no.
21:53.05TainI don't have a toep, that was my mage I abandoned long ago.
21:53.10TainBought stuff for my Rogue though!
21:53.24TainGutripper at level 40 advanced me quick.
21:53.24futrtrublk
21:53.42MoonWolfsorry i ment tem tain stupid autocomplete
21:53.42TemIn 1.9 they are removing negative resists (or so I hear) so that kind of thing won't happen anymore
21:53.56TemTem has a ToEP
21:54.08krem`BWLTem, nope
21:54.09Cideelemental shield will still allow for crazy damage
21:54.12krem`BWLit's not negative resists
21:54.22MoonWolfI want one of those on my lvl 16 warlock :D
21:54.26TemTem got it for the low price of 40dkp on wednesday Night
21:54.39krem`BWL...40 dkp... die...
21:54.48TemI only had 43 at the time
21:54.51MoonWolfwhat was the damage increase on it again... ?
21:54.53krem`BWLCide! the beta on your site is usable for razorgore/vael?
21:54.54Tem175
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21:55.07MoonWolfthat is only eeeuh *calculates)
21:55.10Cideum?
21:55.20MoonWolfabout 4 times the damage of my shadowbolt now....
21:55.32krem`BWLnoone wants to use CTRA in bwl now because it supposedly lags the whole raid a lot
21:56.12Plorkyeranit's about a 10 FPS difference between having it on and off for me
21:56.12Cideha, no it doesn't
21:56.12clad|afkthe issue isn't ctraid
21:56.12clad|afkits the events being sent out
21:56.13clad|afkblizz_raidui has the same issues
21:56.14Cidekrem`BWL: yes, it's very usable
21:56.22PlorkyeranI also have blizz_raidui off :P
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21:56.48clad|afkwas just making the point that they've found a lot of the issue and resolved it for 1.9 =)
21:56.51Cidebeta 1.5 is also more optimized
21:56.55MoonWolfnew blizzard forum post. kicked from guild for refusing to not use CTRA
21:57.05Cideyup, we had tigerclaw come raid with us
21:57.28AnduinLothari like the way empty actionbar slots are deregistered of events in 1.9
21:57.30Cidesaid they were making some heavy optimizations for 1.9
21:57.31clad|afkits good that they put so much into looking at it.. rather than just letting it pass by
21:57.54TemCide: who is Tigerclaw?
21:57.56futrtrublhmm.. what's a good money tracking addon?
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21:58.10Plorkyeranyeah, it'll be nice to actually be able to use raid bars in all of BWL
21:58.17Depheriosaccountant? -- what type of tracking?
21:58.17MoonWolfaccautent
21:58.17Cidedid you see the posts on support forum about "LFG BWL with CTRA" or whatever post?
21:58.18AnduinLotharbut it's also what breaks most bar mods
21:58.24Cidehe's the mac support guy
21:58.25MoonWolfdamn typo's
21:58.42TemI don't read the blizz forums
21:58.48MoonWolfdon't use something like depostibox with it tough, it fucks it up badly
21:59.11TemI visit the UI forums from time to time, but the rest of them are full of trolls and idiot kids who are just being jackasses
21:59.12Cideanyway, he wanted to go raid with guilds that use CTRA
21:59.17DepheriosI <3 depositbox! XD
21:59.24Depherios... oh with accountant? yeah XD
21:59.27Depheriosactually
21:59.30Temthat's kinda cool
21:59.32Depheriosif you enable the option in deposit box
21:59.35Depheriosit stops messing it up
22:00.05Cideso we asked him to come raid with us, he told us that they were making some big changes to how the engine handled raids
22:00.32Temso did he show up in all GM gear>
22:00.33Tem?
22:00.43Cidehe was just a level 1 orc warrior
22:00.46futrtrubl"the option"?
22:00.52Cidebut he did click ready on our /raready check :P
22:00.56krem`BWLlol Cide, did he aggro everything?
22:01.01krem`BWL;p
22:01.07Cideheh, couldn't even see him :P
22:01.14krem`BWL:(
22:01.14Temboo
22:01.21Cidewe told him to be our MT
22:01.26krem`BWLOMG pokemon is on tv now! afk!
22:01.26Temlol
22:01.27Cidehe said he would after work :P
22:04.00Depherios... I think... some Druid just tried to gank me... a higher level priest... they didn't even shift out of catform to heal... I thought they were a hunter pet at first... I'm confused...
22:04.40AnduinLotharbot!
22:04.56Depherioslol
22:05.13futrtrublhmm, where can I find depositbox?
22:05.25Depheriosnobody is taking care of it, so it'll probably break 1.9 :P
22:05.46futrtrublok, then ignore that ;']
22:05.51Depherioshttp://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1104
22:06.20futrtrublcurse's search doesn't do partial matches, bah
22:07.14futrtrublahh nm, my error
22:07.23Depherioscurse's doesn't do multiple words
22:07.31Depherioshave to stick to single word searches
22:07.39Depheriosor it's all "this OR this"
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22:09.45Bela|WOWyou know, there is an icon mossing from that vote
22:09.50IrielDamn it, trying to debug an event handler and realizing I forgot to register for the event at all
22:09.50Bela|WOWmissing*
22:09.56Bela|WOWthe symbol for infinity
22:09.59AnduinLothargj ir
22:10.00Bela|WOWor infinite loops
22:10.01Bela|WOWhaha
22:10.33Bela|WOWnone of the icons in that vote look very good on a female
22:10.41Bela|WOWthey get all stretched and deformed
22:13.46TainSilly, girls don't wear armor.
22:13.50Cairthe infinity icon looks like shit on females
22:13.59Nomad_WandererThere's only 1 female in thwDoes it circle inappropriate bits?
22:14.32Cairgets all stretched and stupid
22:15.08Cairmy other guild looked into it, for alliance side
22:15.12krem`BWL[Guild] ahh my wife aggroed and shifted into bitch form, now shes immune to polymorph... someone tranq shot ><
22:15.21Cairlooked *horrid* on most females
22:15.54Depheriosnone of the icons look good on hordies either XD
22:16.24AnduinLotharso maybe it's time i joined this server..
22:16.32AnduinLotharwhat's the alliance guild name?
22:16.47AnduinLotharrfs?
22:16.53Bela|WOWthats the Horde one
22:16.58AnduinLothark
22:17.02Bela|WOWSavedVariables is the Alliance one
22:17.21AnduinLothardar- something
22:17.27IrielLoadOnDemand
22:17.32IrielNot SavedVariables
22:17.36AnduinLothardraka
22:17.59AnduinLotharclassified as 'new' rather than a status in relation to pop..
22:18.12AnduinLotharlol, 5 man queue to ge tin tho..
22:18.26krem`BWLnew servers have a lower limit i think
22:18.41CairBela|WOW: staff forum
22:18.50AnduinLotharwhat class are most of ya?
22:18.56AnduinLotharrace*
22:19.03Cairany
22:19.14krem`BWLgnomes ftw =O
22:19.27Cairwhich side are you creating atm AnduinLothar?
22:19.34AnduinLotharalliance
22:19.40Cairk, will log in Cair to guild
22:20.00AnduinLotharhmmm.. name
22:20.15Cairmost are using coding terms
22:20.25Nomad_Wanderer<PROTECTED>
22:20.27AnduinLotharhmmm
22:20.32Nomad_WandererI think you should be named Target :)
22:20.37Depherioslol
22:20.37AnduinLothar<PROTECTED>
22:20.43AnduinLothar<PROTECTED>
22:20.47Cairrofl
22:20.53AnduinLothar<PROTECTED>
22:20.54Depherioslol
22:20.55Nomad_Wandererhehehe
22:20.57AnduinLothar<PROTECTED>
22:20.59Nomad_WandererI got Unit
22:21.08MoonWolfreload ?
22:21.10krem`BWLdoes anyone have String yet?
22:21.19CideTonumber!
22:21.19Bela|WOWUnitIsUnit
22:21.23DepheriosI got the only one I could think of that sounds like an actual name... Strata
22:21.32CairI've got Code
22:21.40CairI had Graphics, but I didn't like her, so I deleted
22:21.46AnduinLotharaw, "Player" is unavailible
22:21.48MoonWolfanybody have UIparent ?
22:21.56clad|afkUIparent ftw
22:22.07Cairwho's your daddy? UIParent of course!
22:22.11AnduinLotharlol, got Target
22:22.22AnduinLothargnome mage
22:22.24AnduinLotharwait
22:22.28AnduinLotharname unavail
22:22.31Cairheh
22:22.34CideTonumber!
22:22.36AnduinLotharodd.. it said creating, then unavail
22:22.40MoonWolfdo UIparent.
22:22.42Cideor While
22:22.52MoonWolfbe classic, Wend.
22:22.52krem`BWLIfthenelse
22:22.58Cairlol
22:23.03Bela|WOWCair, replied
22:23.07Bela|WOWwith pictures
22:23.13Nomad_WandererRepeatUntil
22:23.14AnduinLotharWhiletrue
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22:23.39Cair~tabard
22:23.40purlhttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2563 - vote for your tabard!
22:24.12IrielYou should be more specific, vote for tabard ICON
22:24.17Irielunless we're onto color too?
22:24.29Bela|WOWvery soon
22:24.41Bela|WOWCair and I were discussing it in-game
22:24.42Cidehmm, what levels are you guys?
22:24.49Iriel8/1 8/2
22:24.49ToastTheifhey do u get rewards in the 10-19 bgs?
22:25.15Irielhorde and alliance respectively
22:25.24CairAnduinLothar: /tell Cairenn when you get in, for invite
22:25.31CideI'm trying to get base stats for all race/class/level combos... if you guys could help it would be sweet
22:25.40AnduinLotharkk
22:25.46Irielhm, do you need L60 hunter?
22:25.50Cidewhat race?
22:26.02krem`BWLCide, need 60 gnome warlock?
22:26.02IrielNight Elf
22:26.03CideNE right?
22:26.13Cidelet me boot up excel
22:26.19Bela|WOWare you getting a calculation for it, or just listing them outright?
22:26.40IrielI think he's doing the list to figure out the calculation
22:26.44Bela|WOWmmm
22:26.45Bela|WOWgood
22:26.49Bela|WOWmath is my second language
22:26.50CideI think base hp/mp is a table, base stats is a function
22:26.51Bela|WOWhaha
22:27.21Bela|WOWhp/mp should be calculable too
22:27.31Bela|WOWbased on level and base increase per level
22:27.40Bela|WOWand class of course
22:27.42Cidewell
22:27.55Bela|WOWsorry, just trying to simplify
22:27.58Bela|WOW=\
22:28.00Bela|WOWignore me
22:28.20Cidewell, for mage for example
22:28.45Cideit has: if level <= 27 -> gainMp += level + 23
22:28.54Cideelse gainMp += 51
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22:29.08Cidebut then it has some oddities, level 4 gets 15 less than what that predicts, so does level 8
22:29.16Bela|WOWweird
22:29.17krem`BWL._.
22:29.18Cidelevel 5 and 9 gets 15 more, level 17 also 15 less
22:29.27Cidelevel 50 gets 8 less, level 51 gets 7 less
22:29.28AnduinLothari have a great purple handlebar mustash and large beard
22:29.43Bela|WOWhey Cair
22:29.46Cairyeah?
22:29.49Bela|WOWyou should shot that pic to the others
22:29.53Cairnaw
22:29.54Bela|WOWthey might like it over the wrench
22:29.56krem`BWLThis ish an automatic messhage shent by CT_Raidassist.
22:29.57Cairnaw
22:30.02Cairit's not funny
22:30.22Cairit's not a nice inside joke to go with the guild names
22:30.25Bela|WOWI know, but neither is having your icon smooshed between breasts
22:30.29Bela|WOWlol
22:30.39pagefaulthaha
22:30.47pagefaultthe ones with the hands on them is the best one :P
22:30.58Bela|WOWthis is why I truly believe tabards should have been cloaks
22:31.07Bela|WOWthey can stay straight, regardless of body type
22:31.13TemI agree
22:31.20Caircloaks would have rocked
22:31.22MaldiviaCide: you wouldn't happen to know the ratio between base mana and then the "base mana" refered to in spells that requires x% of base mana (such as recently changed Dispel on test)?
22:31.30IrielL60 NE Hunter: STR 52 AGI 130 STA 89 INT 65 SPI 70 ARM 2202
22:31.44Tembesides they put a buttload of work into the chest piece graphics for it to be hidden by a tabard
22:31.48Cidehaven't looked Maldivia
22:31.52Cair*nod*
22:31.58CideI know that base mana isn't calculated by int by any means
22:32.03Cidebase int doesn't play a role in base mana
22:32.04Nomad_Wandererhttp://forums.worldofwar.net/forumdisplay.php?s=d3a864ad1a2fe36a97aae7a2fe2f41bc&f=99
22:32.11Nomad_WandererHas lots of formulas
22:32.13IrielIs there an easy way to figure out base HP/Mana?
22:32.13Cairthe other option that would have worked would have been armbands
22:32.18CideIriel: nope
22:32.28Irielhm, annoying
22:32.32Nomad_WandererI believe much of this has already been done.. Check that forum out
22:32.32Bela|WOWhold on I can show you an example of a cloak guild icon
22:32.33Cideit seems that base sta/int plays some role for level 1
22:32.52Cidebut then you gain X and Y hp/mp for every level, based on who knows what (table most likely(
22:32.53Cide)
22:33.39MaldiviaCide: yeah, for the normal x mana pr y int doesn't apply to the naked numbers
22:33.55Cideint doesn't matter at all, nope
22:34.16krem`BWLCide, you need 60 gnome warlock?
22:34.23Cideya
22:34.37CideI have hp and mana from 60 NE hunter, but not base stats
22:35.04Maldiviakrem`BWL: dont warlocks have a +stam -spr talent ?
22:35.15Plorkyeranwoo, last traveler's backpack for my bank for only 1g
22:35.31Nomad_WandererAre you trying to get the class stats @ 60?
22:35.31krem`BWLMaldivia, yes
22:35.39Bela|WOWthis is how it should be: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=406
22:36.21TemBela|WOW: we can't see that
22:36.44Cairbecause it's in staff forum is why
22:36.44IrielCide: Well, those were my base stats
22:37.07Cideoh, I missed them
22:37.08Bela|WOWoh
22:37.08Cidethanks
22:37.32krem`BWLarg Cide, i'll give you my stats once we're done with this firemaw attept, i still have full buffs
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22:37.36IrielWell, the armor obviously isnt a 'base stat'
22:37.40Irielbut the others are 8-)
22:37.47Nomad_Wandererhttp://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=342463  has class stats @ 60 in it
22:38.12Bela|WOWhttp://wdn.wowinterface.com/BeladonaGW.jpg
22:38.15Bela|WOWthat should work
22:38.20CairOkay, this guy deserves a Dad of the Year award:  http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=277985&p=1&tmp=1#post277985
22:39.12Maldivia60 gnome mage (no talents): 25str, 38agi, 44stam, 134int, 120spr, 76armor, 1630hp, 2943mp
22:39.21krem`BWLlol Cair, nice
22:39.51Cidethanks Maldivia
22:40.26Cideoh and, the base HP formulas are a lot easier
22:41.15Cidethey seem to be just: for levels 1-x, baseHp += level + y, for levels x+1-60, baseHp += z
22:42.56Legorol|altBela|WOW, do you want me to supply you with enGB, deDE versions of Interface files?
22:43.01Nomad_WanderersACtually,  I believe the warrior HP Formula is 31 + L*9 + (Sta-20)*10
22:43.08clad|afkif you need a priest, rogue or shaman i can give you all of them
22:43.49CideNomad_Wanderer: didn't seem to work
22:44.19Cideespecially since race modifies base values
22:44.48Nomad_WandererNot by much.
22:45.02MaldiviaNomad_Wanderer: according to te formulas liste there, a 60 mage would have less than 600 base health
22:45.06Cidewell, I have a formula that will work just fine if you accept some minor differences
22:45.07krem`BWLlevel 60 gnome warlock - 40str 53agi 74sta 119 int 109 spi 138 armour
22:45.16Cidebut I want it exact if possible
22:45.23krem`BWL1974 hp 2878 MP, i have talent thatgives +15% stamina -5% spirit
22:45.52Cidedid you calculate the base spi without that or should I divide it by .95?
22:45.59krem`BWLand theres the gnome racial that gives +10% int
22:46.06Cide5% int :P
22:46.06krem`BWLi didnt calculate the talent and racial
22:46.07CairTem!
22:46.12krem`BWLoh yeah 5
22:46.13Cairyou are falling down on the job!
22:46.34Cairsomeone else found a way to crash wow
22:47.11Cairhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=278121&p=1&tmp=1#post278121
22:47.22IrielKnown bug
22:47.24Irielfixed in 1.9
22:47.34Iriel* Fixed crash bug on CheckButton:GetText()
22:47.40Irielno soup for them.
22:48.01Cairlol, quoted you on that Iriel
22:48.53AnduinLotharanyone got any $ on the aliance side? i wanna start auctioneering
22:49.18Cairomgwtfn00b
22:49.18clad|afkDoes anyone here have a shaman that has chain heal and healing stream totem that could test something for me?
22:49.29Legorol|altCair, that's the wrong answer i'm afraid
22:49.34Cairgo hunt and make cash yourself instead of being a begger
22:49.38Legorol|althe is getting an error message, not a crash
22:49.52AnduinLothari am, just figured i'd ask ;)
22:50.23AnduinLotharbegging is askign repeatedly cair, get ur terms strait
22:50.31Guillotinei have 2c Anduin
22:50.32Legorol|altbtw, i posted the right answer for the poor guy, Cair
22:51.05Cairblame Iriel, not me, I was just quoting him, not my fault, all him,never my fault, nopenopenopenope
22:51.11Legorol|altok
22:51.16Cair;)
22:51.16Legorol|altin that case:
22:51.21Legorol|altIriel: you're a n00b
22:51.25Legorol|alt:D
22:51.28IrielI wasn't answering the first part
22:51.32IrielI was addressing the crash bug
22:51.37Legorol|althe didn't say crash ;-)
22:51.44Cairgood thing we like each other,huh?
22:51.47Legorol|altand he is getting text on tooltip lines, which are FontStrings, not CheckButtons
22:51.48IrielYou didn't read the whole post, n00b
22:51.49Iriel8-)
22:51.52Legorol|alti did
22:51.56Legorol|altyou're the n00b!
22:52.00Legorol|alt:-)
22:52.04IrielNo such luck, using that during the ContainerFrameItemButton_OnEnter() event causes Warcraft to crash to the desktop every time.
22:52.08AnduinLotharrtfm noob
22:52.08Legorol|altj/k, don't take me seriously
22:52.11Bela|WOWits noooooberific!
22:52.19Legorol|altdamn, so i'm the n00b after all
22:52.54Legorol|altso why the heck is he crashing?
22:53.00Legorol|altwhere is the CheckButton that he is GetText-ing on?
22:53.00Cairsee? told you I was right! hah! I'm always right!  Teach you to not believe what I say, mmmhmmm!
22:53.03Irielbecause in 1.8 there's a bug
22:53.21IrielDefintely for check buttons, and possibly others
22:53.26AnduinLotharheh, i pinged lvl 3 walking into if
22:53.37Legorol|althmm.. he is saying he is doing this:GetText() in ContainerFrameItemButton_OnEnter()
22:53.43Legorol|altoh
22:53.47Legorol|altis an ItemButton a CheckButton?
22:55.02Legorol|altwhere is the CheckButton?
22:55.11IrielNo, but I believe it's teh same issue.
22:55.23AnduinLotharYour teh issue!
22:55.45Legorol|altthanks Cair
22:55.51Nomad_WandererYeah.. I didn't realize your alt was such a noob! You should log your main back on.
22:55.54Nomad_Wanderer:P
22:55.58Legorol|altso you're saying that Button:GetText() crashes too?
22:56.05Legorol|altNomad_Wanderer, you have a point
22:56.06Legorol|altbrb
22:56.09Cairand don't mind me, I'm just being exceptionally odd atm, even more so than is typical for me
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22:56.17Legorolahhhh
22:56.20Cairand don't mind me, I'm just being exceptionally odd atm, even more so than is typical for me
22:56.23Legoroli can feel the power and blood returning to my brain
22:56.40Cairand that takes some doing, believe you me!
22:57.01Legorolbtw, how much does a US account cost? with rebate
22:57.19IrielLegorol: yes, it does
22:57.28Iriel$20 up front and $15/mo
22:57.52Irielless if you do it with a longer subscription period.
22:57.53Legorolthe $20 includes first month, right?
22:58.01AnduinLotharyes
22:58.11Legorolso, how do i get hold of a US account, inc. the rebate? :D
22:58.20IrielDo /script MerchantBuyBackItemItemButton:GetText()
22:58.23IrielSee your desktop
22:58.34AnduinLothar<PROTECTED>
22:58.36IrielDo notice the ItemItem part
22:58.40Legorolunlike my alt, i'm smart
22:58.45LegorolAnduinLothar, cheers..
22:59.14IrielLegorol : I suspect you need to find a friendly US resident to handle it for you.
22:59.17AnduinLothari almost want a hunter just so i can name my pet..
22:59.36Legorolsuspected that much :(
22:59.44LegorolAnduinLothar, you get to name lots of pets as a hunter! it's funfun
22:59.52AnduinLothari could buy u an account. might have to get off my ass tho. plus no car atm
23:00.06Legorolnah, just contemplating
23:00.07AnduinLotharbut i should be home tomorrow
23:03.33CairOkay, I'm out for a while guys.  Later.
23:06.41pagefaultwhat is out
23:06.48futrtrublcair is
23:06.55pagefaultbut what is this place
23:06.57pagefaultI am curious
23:07.09pagefaultcan I get a FP to it?
23:07.19futrtrublspeaking of Fps
23:07.26futrtrublFPS*
23:07.47futrtrublFPs even, what's the best FP mod out there atm?
23:08.09pagefaultFlightMap is nice
23:08.14futrtrublit's been 2 months since I last looked at other mods
23:08.26futrtrublk
23:09.01pagefaultshows you all the flight places it knows of
23:09.05pagefaultand directions how to get to them
23:09.07pagefaultfrom each flight master
23:09.24futrtrublyou've sold me ;']
23:09.30Depherios...wtf
23:09.39futrtrubl?
23:10.10DepheriosI'm using "Enhanced Flight... something XD and it doesn't exsist anymore... they must have changed the name of it
23:10.20pagefaultyeah
23:10.24pagefaultI think it's FlightMap now
23:10.28pagefaultI used to use that one
23:10.29Depheriosoh, okay good XD
23:10.29futrtrublhttp://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1239
23:10.35futrtrublnope it still exists
23:10.52pagefaultoh dunno
23:10.54pagefaultI just know I don
23:11.03pagefault't use that one anymore
23:11.09futrtrublk
23:11.21pagefaultthey both pretty much do the same things iirc
23:11.29futrtrublis the one in the link the one you were thinking of Depherios?
23:11.37Depheriosyup
23:11.43futrtrublthat's the problem pagefault, no clear winner
23:11.43DepheriosI don't like the bar in flightmap
23:11.46Cair|afkpagefault: have a kid, you'll soon discover "out"
23:11.47Depheriosthat's why I didn't get it XD
23:11.51pagefaulthttp://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=590
23:11.57pagefaultthats what I use
23:13.06futrtrublnow they need to add a "best route" option, hover over a FP and it tells you which route is the fastest/cheapest ;']
23:13.26pagefaultone that automatically changes at FP's would be good too
23:13.30AnduinLotharwoot! http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/giftsunder50/778d/
23:13.31pagefaultlike automatically go to feralas from org
23:13.32pagefaultvia xr
23:13.46Irielpagefault : You can't do that
23:13.49futrtrublnot going to happen, you need to select the flight master...
23:13.50Depheriosdoesn't flightpath figure it out for you?
23:13.59Bela|WOWthat would require automatic pc interaction which is pretty close to botting
23:13.59IrielWell, unless you're really lucky and your mouse is over the flight master
23:14.12IrielEven then i'm not sure if you can start the conevrsation automatically
23:14.18pagefaultCair|afk, no thanks, not for a long time
23:14.19Bela|WOWnope
23:14.26Bela|WOWwell
23:14.33Bela|WOWunless you can make it autotarget
23:15.02Cair|afk"I need this, go get that, drive me here, pick me up there ...."
23:15.07Cair|afkand on that note, bye
23:15.22Bela|WOWdoh!
23:16.33TainCair is a flightmaster.
23:17.29pagefaultthey don't like to be aggroed
23:17.42futrtrublworce, she is the IF flaight master
23:17.55futrtrublignore the horendous typing above
23:18.25pagefaultAB is so much fun
23:19.29pagefaultoh yay I finally got a shard
23:19.33pagefaultnow I can start playing
23:21.56TainIt just occured to me where this headache is from.
23:22.00TainI haven't had any caffeine in two days.
23:22.28pagefaultman BW hunters can really go suck it
23:22.37pagefaultI will not feel sorry for them at all when they get nerfed in 1.9
23:22.56pagefaultthere is no way you can escape their pet :/
23:23.29Cidewhat are the alliance BG factions called?
23:24.06CideSilverwing Sentinels (WSG), Stormpike Guard (AV), The League of Arathor (AB)?
23:24.17Plorkyeranyeah
23:24.24Cideright on all of them?
23:24.29Plorkyeranyep
23:24.57pagefaultyeap
23:25.20Cideis Theramore a faction?
23:25.28CideI know it's a city, but can you get faction with them?
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23:25.34PlorkyeranNo
23:25.45kremonteI loaded CTRA 1.5 and my entire computer crashed when it loaded =O Coincidence?
23:25.54Cideprobably :P
23:28.15Plorkyeranooh, they split off the boss mods into a seperate addon
23:28.15kremontelog onto vent, "Krem, we just got a rogue to sit in for you from luci to mag" gg DKP, gg ><
23:28.16Plorkyeranbleh, it requires ctra still
23:28.16Cideyes :P
23:28.18Cideis CTRA that bad? :/
23:28.18kremonteCide, you hooked your own functions o_O lol
23:28.22Cideyep :)
23:28.26Plorkyeranthe boss mods is the only part I use
23:28.32Cidehow come?
23:28.52kremonteCT_RABOSS_FIREMAW_BUFFET_WARN= "** Firemaw begins to cast Wing buffet. **";
23:28.58PlorkyeranI prefer my hacked up perl raid bars, and there's nothing else particularly relevant
23:28.59kremontelol downfall of our current attempts at firemaw
23:29.05Plorkyeranfor me, at least
23:29.17Cidewhat do you mean kremonte?
23:29.45kremontemost of our offtanks on firemaw today are EU, so when they taunted at the warning for wing buffet, it lagged and the tank lost hate lol
23:30.08Cidehaha
23:30.35Cideanyone here recognize the faction "Wildhammer Clan"?
23:30.35Plorkyeranit's not as much that ctra is bad as that I have things better for most of it and it's a huge mod if you aren't using most of it
23:30.44Plorkyeranalliance hinterlands faction
23:30.47AnduinLotharcool gadget: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/mp3/79f7/
23:30.47IrielYes
23:30.48Plorkyeranbasically useless
23:30.56IrielEyrie Peak (or however it's spelled)
23:31.18Cideah, thanks
23:31.52kremonteCide, does CTRA have events for all chat and whatnot, always on, to listen for bosses?
23:32.04Cideonly within the dungeon they refer to
23:32.22kremonteso all that's running all the time is really Outdoor?
23:32.23Cideonly BWL boss mods will be checked when inside BWL
23:32.28Cideyeah
23:32.47kremonteah, that's not bad
23:32.57kremontei still don't know why i get such crappy framerates ALWAYS in WoW
23:33.14kremontewith UI off, it's like, 60 fps for 3 secs, 2 second lag... repeat
23:34.51Plorkyerandefragging my hd made a huge difference for me
23:35.15CideI can imagine that helping if you use up all your RAM
23:35.16Plorkyeranwent from an average of 20 to 50
23:35.41Plorkyeranpatch.mpq had slightly over 10 million fragments, though
23:36.03kremontewow, i am so stupid
23:36.13kremontei haven't defragged since my last reformat because i'm on WoW so much
23:37.47Osagasuthat is cool
23:37.58Osagasu(said while likking dwarves in Mulgore)
23:38.13Cidelicking? or killing?! :P
23:38.19Osagasukilling
23:38.22Osagasu:P
23:38.24Cideright!
23:39.00Osagasuif I only had a wraparound desk
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23:43.33kremontewould it be safe to run a defrag while playing? :o
23:46.47Maldiviaif you want to play with 1-2fps, then yes
23:47.14kremonteomg, lucifron evade bugged :(
23:47.17Plorkyeranif that
23:47.18kremonteMaldivia - i already have .6 fps ;)
23:47.18OsagasuLOL
23:47.25PlorkyeranI ran it overnight
23:47.39Plorkyeranload times also went from 2 minutes to about 30 seconds :P
23:47.43OsagasuI run my debuggers over school
23:48.03kremontelol, most of the fragmented crap is FFXI files
23:51.33OsagasuO.O
23:52.18pagefaultooh
23:52.21pagefaultalmost honored with the defilers
23:52.24pagefaultI wonder what I get
23:52.46Osagasuyou get a head. :P
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23:53.11pagefaultoh I nice a swanky trinket
23:53.49pagefaulta get a girdle
23:53.55pagefaultI wonder if I should replace my DM with it
23:54.45kremonteCide, CTRA1.5 highlights the RL's name?
23:54.53Cideyes
23:54.56Cideyou can turn it off
23:55.13kremontenah its good
23:55.25kremontehalf the time i'm not uh, paying attention ;)
23:56.19Plorkyeranooh, /raquiet
23:56.29Plorkyerandoes that require everyone to be using ctra?
23:56.34Cideno
23:56.45Cidebut it will only hide text for users that use CTRA obviously
23:56.55Plorkyeranah
23:56.55Cideand users that use CTRA won't be able to send chat messages
23:57.01Cideto raid, that is
23:57.04kremontelol, it's like +m
23:57.05pagefaultnooo
23:57.07kremonteand leaders are +v =o
23:57.08pagefaultbginvite fails me
23:57.13Cidepretty much :P
23:57.26Plorkyeranso yeah, it requires everyone to be using it for full effectiveness :P
23:57.43Plorkyeranalthough someone without it doesn't cause problems
23:57.43kremontemy guild could soo use that
23:58.34Cideit automatically turns off after 5 minutes
23:58.51Plorkyeranhmm, I wish I could relog to install it
23:59.12kremontewhy cant you
23:59.23PlorkyeranBG queue and probably a server queue by now
23:59.29kremonte./logoff, click back, close game, put mod into your addons folder, log back on, you skip queue
23:59.35kremonteand you stay in BG queue if you dont go slow
23:59.36kremonte;)
23:59.48kremonteyou have to log off and click back tho
23:59.52Plorkyeranthat doesn't skip queue...
23:59.54PlorkyeranI've tried it
23:59.57kremonteyes it does

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