| 00:00.01 | Legorol | Iriel, you are British? |
| 00:00.25 | Iriel | Legorol : Yes |
| 00:00.27 | pagefault | damnit |
| 00:00.32 | pagefault | my group is basically disbanding now |
| 00:00.37 | pagefault | I didn't even get to the lab |
| 00:00.39 | pagefault | damnit |
| 00:00.44 | Legorol | i see, hence the cool, the manners and the intellect you got ;-) |
| 00:00.48 | Tain | I thought you were saying damnit because Iriel is British. |
| 00:00.53 | Codayus | Heh |
| 00:00.54 | Legorol | lol |
| 00:00.54 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 00:01.05 | Cair | and the yummy accent, too |
| 00:01.08 | Iriel | Legorol : Exactly 8-) |
| 00:01.17 | Tain | G'day guvnah |
| 00:01.18 | Legorol | well i'm not British, but i have moved to the UK.. |
| 00:01.22 | Legorol | go figure, we all move around |
| 00:01.24 | Iriel | I BARELY have an accent |
| 00:01.27 | Legorol | some leave, some come |
| 00:01.38 | Cair | it's there if you know what to listen for Iriel :) |
| 00:01.44 | Legorol | i'd been here ages and still haven't got the accent perfect :( |
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| 00:02.34 | Cair | and Legorol, he very definitely has the charm, courtesy and manners :) |
| 00:03.14 | kremonte | another band of dark dominion dropped |
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| 00:04.13 | Cair | I *so* enjoy spending time with Brits ... it's (unfortunately) rare to meet true gentlemen in most of N/A |
| 00:04.39 | Cair | and Iriel definitely is |
| 00:05.46 | Tain | I don't know about Iriel, but I'm pretty sure the gentlemen all left North America in the great migration of 1886. |
| 00:06.23 | norganna | Iriel: So it's not that you're a nice guy... it's that you don't come from North America... |
| 00:06.56 | Cair | actually |
| 00:07.12 | Cair | it's that he *is* a nice guy, most likely *because* he doesn't come from NA |
| 00:07.55 | kremonte | racist! |
| 00:08.09 | norganna | damnit, i got multiple personality syndrome |
| 00:08.22 | Tain | Cadbury Dark Chocolate is on sale. |
| 00:08.24 | Cair | sorry, but it's a reality, most (note the qualifier) North American men are less than gentlemen |
| 00:08.26 | norganna | i'm calling my character "she" |
| 00:08.36 | kremonte | heh. |
| 00:08.45 | kremonte | is true, unfortunately =/ |
| 00:08.47 | Cair | Tain: *drool* |
| 00:09.01 | Tain | I got yer gentleman right here |
| 00:09.07 | Iriel | is "she" a boy? |
| 00:09.15 | pagefault | this sucks |
| 00:09.17 | Iriel | That'd cause a number of people extreme difficulty |
| 00:09.28 | pagefault | didn't even get imp delivery done |
| 00:09.29 | norganna | "norganna" is a girl, I am a boy :) |
| 00:09.37 | Iriel | I mean, "she" the character |
| 00:09.44 | Tain | Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina. |
| 00:09.46 | Cair | yet another gender bender |
| 00:10.02 | Cair | ;) |
| 00:10.02 | Iriel | Never mind, I know what you mean now |
| 00:10.13 | Iriel | I thought you were creating a new character "she" |
| 00:10.16 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 00:10.25 | Malivil | I don't get why guys make girl chars |
| 00:10.28 | Iriel | I always refer to 'Iriel' as she, anyway |
| 00:10.31 | Malivil | It confuses stupid people like me |
| 00:10.35 | norganna | nup - i said: /me sits back in her chair |
| 00:10.42 | Iriel | Well, Iriel is a girl, it's just that I'm not. |
| 00:10.48 | Malivil | Yea, see |
| 00:10.52 | Malivil | Until like 4 days ago |
| 00:10.54 | Malivil | I thought you WERE |
| 00:10.57 | Cair | and that's correct in this context, norganna, since you are using your female character name |
| 00:10.57 | Iriel | heh |
| 00:11.01 | Malivil | =-/ |
| 00:11.17 | norganna | i guess |
| 00:11.26 | Malivil | Sorry dude, i tend to assume the avatar is the gender of the user |
| 00:11.34 | Malivil | Less confusing |
| 00:11.34 | norganna | it's getting har to remember that i'm a guy.... |
| 00:11.36 | Osagasu | [7:08pm] <norganna> damnit, i got multiple personality syndrome <-liar. |
| 00:11.46 | Iriel | Dont worry Malivil , I'm extremely gender inspecific in my posts and IRC. |
| 00:11.49 | Cair | Iriel *is* female. Daniel, otoh, isn't. |
| 00:11.55 | Iriel | So if you dont KNOW, then your assumption is correct |
| 00:11.58 | Malivil | ok |
| 00:12.11 | Iriel | And as cair notes, Iriel (avatar/persona) is female |
| 00:12.17 | Malivil | See, as with all my chars |
| 00:12.20 | Iriel | Daniel (me, behind the avatar) isn't |
| 00:12.31 | Iriel | I do play male characters also though, just in case you were wondering |
| 00:12.34 | Osagasu | Multiple Personality Syndrome doesn't exist. its was a misnomer |
| 00:12.37 | Malivil | I figured |
| 00:12.39 | cladhaire | It only gets weird when you start to have a crush on your avatar |
| 00:12.45 | Malivil | I play all males so other stupid people liek me wont get consued |
| 00:12.51 | Malivil | *confused |
| 00:12.52 | norganna | (I also have male chars) |
| 00:13.06 | Iriel | Iriel's been around for a while though, across a number of games |
| 00:13.08 | Osagasu | hehe |
| 00:13.14 | norganna | I play females, cause I like looking at them better :) |
| 00:13.17 | Osagasu | Mal thinks he's a girl when he plays one |
| 00:13.22 | Malivil | No... |
| 00:13.22 | Tain | I've only ever created one female character in a game. |
| 00:13.22 | cladhaire | my first character (Cladhaire) is a male, so that ended up being my UI persona.. but Sagart (my main) is a female NE priest |
| 00:13.25 | Malivil | I don't play girls |
| 00:13.32 | Malivil | I don't stare at my char's ass all day |
| 00:13.33 | cladhaire | Confused lots of people when a rogue took over a healer UI =) |
| 00:13.34 | Tain | And it was because I thought of a (at the time) witty name. |
| 00:13.38 | Malivil | I look at the scenery |
| 00:13.42 | Malivil | and crap going on |
| 00:14.07 | norganna | *sure* you do - heheh |
| 00:14.13 | Malivil | o.o |
| 00:14.17 | Malivil | -.-;; |
| 00:14.19 | Cair | ;) |
| 00:14.36 | Osagasu | what was the name? |
| 00:14.42 | Iriel | Aside: "High Fidelity" = good move. (Random thought, as a song from the soundtrack floats by) |
| 00:15.07 | Malivil | My Hunter hadn't left IF for a while |
| 00:15.11 | Malivil | Then i started playing again |
| 00:15.13 | Osagasu | First character I played.. |
| 00:15.17 | Malivil | Then i left him there when i moved to Horde |
| 00:15.19 | Codayus | Now have two lvl 60s, but I often still use Codayus on forums or, say, IRC channels... |
| 00:15.21 | Osagasu | Taylor, a paladin on Argent Dawn |
| 00:15.24 | Malivil | Then i used him to test my mod |
| 00:15.27 | Malivil | Now he's back |
| 00:15.39 | Osagasu | the Daedalus, a mage on Uther... |
| 00:15.48 | Osagasu | then Priest on Skywall.. |
| 00:15.55 | Malivil | Bingus, Hunter on Hellscream was my first char... |
| 00:16.11 | Malivil | Then my next main was Imbilotas, Mage on Staghelm (Alliance) |
| 00:16.30 | Malivil | Now my main (got sick of alliance) is Malivil, Rogue on Staghelm (Horde_ |
| 00:16.35 | Osagasu | I didn't start making characters named Osagasu until I was already known in WoW by that name |
| 00:16.57 | Legorol | It's only confusing if you associate the player with the character |
| 00:17.02 | Legorol | I think a character is just a toy.. |
| 00:17.17 | Legorol | I do make female chars and male chars in equal proportion |
| 00:17.29 | Legorol | don't get me wrong, but sometimes i'd like to have a female toy ;-) |
| 00:17.57 | Legorol | ok that came out bad |
| 00:18.02 | Legorol | rofl |
| 00:18.12 | Legorol | i knew someone was going to pick on it, but of all people... |
| 00:18.12 | Cair | well, you said you wanted a female toy |
| 00:18.24 | Malivil | lol... |
| 00:18.35 | pagefault | sigh |
| 00:18.36 | pagefault | oh well |
| 00:18.39 | pagefault | time to farm honor in AB |
| 00:18.39 | Iriel | Using Legorol's definition tho, I'd think a Vibrator was a male toy |
| 00:18.49 | Iriel | if you're assigning a gender to the toy, rather than the user |
| 00:18.50 | Cair | errrr |
| 00:18.54 | Legorol | Malivil, bottom line is, the whole what-gender-for-char thing is only confusing because lot of people think that their char = themselves |
| 00:19.00 | Tain | It's not? |
| 00:19.09 | Legorol | nope tain |
| 00:19.14 | Legorol | it's a bunch of pixels in a computer game |
| 00:19.15 | Iriel | I suspect part of it comes from how much of an RP background you have |
| 00:19.16 | Legorol | it's a toy |
| 00:19.25 | Cair | very much so Iriel |
| 00:19.25 | Malivil | True... |
| 00:19.28 | Legorol | well that's a different viewpoint entirely, i think |
| 00:19.30 | Iriel | Some people play these games where they're playing the role of a character in a world |
| 00:19.33 | cladhaire | Iriel: has Iriel always been a hunter-y type of persona, or is that just specific to WoW? |
| 00:19.33 | Legorol | there are males picking females for RP, |
| 00:19.36 | Malivil | I care for my chars WAY too much (Not that way...) |
| 00:19.38 | Iriel | And some people play their character as themselves, in the world |
| 00:19.46 | Legorol | and there are males picking females cause they look better |
| 00:19.51 | Legorol | whatever the reason, nothing wrong with it |
| 00:20.03 | Iriel | cladhaire : She's sort of worked out that way, she was an Amazon in Diablo II for example |
| 00:20.15 | Iriel | Though in SWG she was an architect and tailor, so go figure. |
| 00:20.19 | Malivil | Only time i plaed a female was when i had to |
| 00:20.28 | Malivil | ex: In Diablo 2 |
| 00:20.30 | Legorol | i admit that i even created a female toon and RPd her as a female IRL who is pretending to be male in-game but messing up a bit sometimes |
| 00:20.35 | cladhaire | Well nothing quite matches when you take it to SWG |
| 00:20.36 | Legorol | it was a sociological experiment |
| 00:20.39 | Malivil | Assassins, Sorcs, and Zons were all female |
| 00:21.06 | Iriel | Iriel in guild wars is a ranger, so that's consistent.. She gravitates towards the sort of ranged, back from the mess of the battle, type. |
| 00:21.17 | Malivil | My char in GW is a ranger too |
| 00:21.27 | Legorol | so, is it A or H night tonight? |
| 00:21.34 | Cair | yes |
| 00:21.37 | Malivil | haha |
| 00:21.38 | Cair | ;) |
| 00:21.38 | Osagasu | me an cair are on H |
| 00:21.38 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:21.44 | cladhaire | Ther |
| 00:21.45 | Legorol | Cair, i know that technically that'sa logical answer |
| 00:21.48 | Cair | it's whatever you want |
| 00:21.52 | Legorol | but you could be a bit more specific ;-) |
| 00:21.58 | cladhaire | There's a bias towards thw horde as far as I've seen.. for example Loz won't make an alliance char |
| 00:22.05 | Osagasu | now that she's realized that this didn't kill the channel |
| 00:22.21 | Cair | Osagasu: huh? |
| 00:22.47 | Osagasu | nvm |
| 00:22.58 | Cair | otoh, cladhaire, AnduinLothar won't make horde side |
| 00:23.02 | Cair | *shrug* |
| 00:23.09 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:23.10 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 00:23.32 | Cair | I logged on to horde side because no one was playing Alliance earlier, Legorol, play whichever side you wish :) |
| 00:23.47 | Cair | if more folks are on alliance side, chances are that is where everyone will head |
| 00:24.53 | Osagasu | I get enough alliance everywhere else I play |
| 00:26.07 | Legorol | same for me |
| 00:26.15 | Legorol | btw Cair, i don't have a preference |
| 00:26.18 | Legorol | hence my question ;-) |
| 00:26.23 | Legorol | i want to gravitate to where people are |
| 00:26.33 | Malivil | =-/ |
| 00:26.37 | Malivil | This is too distracting |
| 00:26.43 | Malivil | I hae stuff i need to do.. |
| 00:26.45 | Malivil | *have |
| 00:26.48 | Malivil | no matter how i dont want to |
| 00:26.50 | Cair | at present, I am aware of 2 people on Horde side, myself and Osagasu |
| 00:26.51 | Malivil | Cyall later |
| 00:26.52 | Legorol | malivil: /quit |
| 00:26.56 | kergoth | any rogues around? wondering what the opinion is on Hemorrhage |
| 00:26.57 | Cair | I don't know if there is anyone on Alliance side |
| 00:27.03 | Legorol | Cair: you are self-aware? |
| 00:27.05 | Legorol | excellent! |
| 00:27.14 | Malivil | kergoth: I don't sue it |
| 00:27.17 | Malivil | *use it |
| 00:27.21 | Malivil | But i'm the uber noob rogue |
| 00:27.23 | Malivil | So whatever |
| 00:27.29 | cladhaire | Kergoth: one rogue havign it helps the DPS of a raid signifigantly |
| 00:27.30 | Malivil | (Yes, 49 is noob too) |
| 00:27.30 | Cair | kergoth: hemorrhaging is typically a bad plan |
| 00:27.34 | kergoth | seems like it might be useful against enemies with a crapload of armor |
| 00:27.36 | cladhaire | and it builds combo points quite quickly |
| 00:27.43 | cladhaire | kergoth: its useful in any raid situation |
| 00:28.01 | Tain | Especially since you can't use the armor reducing attack |
| 00:28.03 | kergoth | nod, since it benefits the attacks of anyone |
| 00:28.13 | Legorol | hm, Draka is recommended realm but has 219 queue |
| 00:28.14 | Legorol | go figure |
| 00:28.14 | kergoth | you cant use expose armor due to warriors needing to use theirs, right? |
| 00:28.15 | Tain | Which I'm drawing a total blank on even though I played a rogue to 60 |
| 00:28.16 | cladhaire | when i had it in MC.. i couldn't keep it on |
| 00:28.24 | Tain | Yeah, one of the warrior taunts won't go through |
| 00:28.26 | cladhaire | Kergoth: correct |
| 00:28.28 | kergoth | k |
| 00:28.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:28.32 | cladhaire | SUnder Armor won't go through |
| 00:28.37 | cladhaire | which is bad.. cause that's what keeps aggro for a warrior |
| 00:28.44 | Tain | Yeah that's right. |
| 00:28.44 | kergoth | i think i'll go with a 12/21/18 build until i hit 60 |
| 00:28.52 | kergoth | then switch to leaning more into subtlety at that point |
| 00:28.56 | Tain | I just know the Wars got real mad at me the first time when I didn't know. |
| 00:28.57 | Cair | okay you horde aware peoples, where the heck is the sepulcher? |
| 00:29.07 | cladhaire | Cair: Silverpine |
| 00:29.12 | Cair | thank you |
| 00:29.13 | kergoth | Cair: follow the path southwest of UC into silverpine |
| 00:29.13 | cladhaire | Cair: south exit from Tirisfal |
| 00:29.16 | Legorol | you heading over to undead place? cool! |
| 00:29.21 | Legorol | before you do: |
| 00:29.21 | Tain | Follow the yellow brick road |
| 00:29.31 | Legorol | take a strong troll's blood potion with you if you plan to do the quest chain in hillsbrad |
| 00:29.33 | kergoth | i love tirisfal. i always play my low level chars there, regardless of race |
| 00:29.39 | Tain | kergoth: I'm going to spec out at all poison for the heck of it to see how it goes. |
| 00:29.45 | Legorol | but that's around lvl 25 i think |
| 00:29.46 | kergoth | that should be interesting |
| 00:29.59 | kergoth | keep s&d up, i presume? |
| 00:30.01 | cladhaire | I would be a DoT rogue if it were truly possible. |
| 00:30.03 | Tain | I just think it woul dbe fun |
| 00:30.32 | kergoth | okay, speaking of dots, whats the feeling on instant poison vs deadly? |
| 00:30.42 | Ktron | Tain-- you should try that, then try adding a script to switch your weapons so you can get more than 2 poisons on them |
| 00:31.00 | Tain | It's tough kergoth. Deadly does a ton of damage when you get it hit a few times |
| 00:31.07 | Ktron | kergoth: in my experience, instant was more practical for anythign but instantances |
| 00:31.10 | Tain | But if you're fighting something that doesn't last that long it's kind of wasted. |
| 00:31.19 | Codayus | kergoth: Instant poison ads a NICE chunk of DPS from the word go. |
| 00:31.33 | pagefault | yay for songflower plant |
| 00:31.38 | pagefault | inhaling it is good for you |
| 00:31.47 | Tain | I've fought some big things solo though and if deadly lasts a while it does nasty damage. |
| 00:31.56 | Codayus | For PvE, deadly is pretty pointless for anything that dies quick - can be useful on elites or bosses. |
| 00:31.57 | Ktron | crippling poison is probably one of the most useful pvp consumables ever, especially for WSG |
| 00:31.59 | kergoth | i'm thinking whenever fighting guys substantially higher level than yourself, use instant/deadly |
| 00:32.02 | kergoth | nod |
| 00:32.10 | kergoth | mind numbing can be incredibly useful against the right mobs |
| 00:32.17 | Codayus | For PvP, deadly is alright, but I'd generally prefer crippling. Depends what your doing. |
| 00:32.36 | Ktron | I typically did instant/crippling for PvP |
| 00:32.54 | kergoth | deadly would be nice against other rogues, i'd think, given its a dot |
| 00:32.55 | Codayus | My PvE poison loadout is several stacks of instant, a couple stacks of cripling, and 1 of mindnumbing just in case. |
| 00:32.56 | Tain | Oh deadly is only good (in my opinion) if you apply it to both weapons. |
| 00:32.56 | pagefault | world of roguecraft |
| 00:32.58 | pagefault | :) |
| 00:33.10 | Tain | What I usually did was crippling on one if it was a runner and instant on the other |
| 00:33.13 | kergoth | Tain: i've found that when using it on both weapons, itll stack up to 5 and then applying it more does nothing |
| 00:33.16 | Tain | Crippling on the slower weapon |
| 00:33.20 | kergoth | Tain: but i'm fighting guys 3-4 levels above me, pve |
| 00:33.29 | pagefault | do rogues have some poison that drains mana |
| 00:33.35 | Tain | Yeah pagefault. |
| 00:33.36 | pagefault | I occasionally get hit with it and I am not sure where it comes from |
| 00:33.37 | Codayus | Crippling when fighting in an instance with runners is just amazing. Wipe prevention FTW. |
| 00:33.55 | Tain | Yeah it totally depends on the situation, but that's the nice thing. Tons of options. |
| 00:34.02 | Codayus | But if you're doing MC, it's probablt not of primary importance. :-P |
| 00:34.21 | Tain | And when things go really wrong, Vanish. :) |
| 00:34.29 | Codayus | pagefault: *drains* mana? Probably a viper sting from a hunter. |
| 00:34.37 | kergoth | i'm getting rather annoyed at how much of my inventory is full of poisons |
| 00:34.38 | Codayus | Rogues get one that slows casting time. Mindnumbing... |
| 00:34.41 | kergoth | may be lots of options, but.. |
| 00:34.45 | Tain | Oh yeah right heh |
| 00:34.45 | pagefault | well I get poisoned with something and my mana goes.... |
| 00:35.21 | Codayus | kergoth: Yeah, I've got all 16 slot bags, and it's just not enough. :-( |
| 00:35.56 | Codayus | And 18 slot bags make my bank account cry. |
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| 00:36.17 | pagefault | I need more slots |
| 00:36.31 | kergoth | i'm _loving_ the PoisonMaster(continued) addon |
| 00:36.36 | kergoth | saves so much tmie |
| 00:36.43 | Tain | That the one that buys for you? |
| 00:36.47 | groll | ooooh i'm in LOOOVE!!!!!!!! http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=11379 :D:D:D:D:D:D best wow movie ever!!! but it goes down in quality as it progresses but first half just seriously kick arse!!! |
| 00:36.47 | Codayus | pagefault: Viper Sting counts as a poison; it drains 1108 mana over 8 seconds at max rank. Comes from hunters. |
| 00:36.58 | pagefault | Codayus, ah well it's rather evil |
| 00:37.09 | kergoth | yeah, you set the threshold. you want 40 of this,k 30 of that, etc, and it has buttons to buy the reagents to top everything off, and to make them |
| 00:37.16 | Tain | I had trouble with one of the autobuy potion addons, kept buying too many vials. And I didn't feel like looking at it at the time. |
| 00:37.18 | Codayus | I've never found it to drain fast enough, but meh. |
| 00:37.23 | Tain | But I don't think I looked at PoisonMaster |
| 00:37.30 | pagefault | well whenever I get hit with it I have half mana to begin with |
| 00:37.34 | pagefault | so it leaves me with nothing |
| 00:37.38 | Codayus | Ah, that helps. |
| 00:37.43 | kergoth | Tain: yeah, i hit that with this too. if you make too many at once, itll buy _everything_ then make _everything_, and end up without any room in the inventory to do so |
| 00:37.53 | kergoth | need to fix it to be able to operate in chunks |
| 00:38.21 | Tain | Oh yeah right. |
| 00:38.30 | Tain | But yeah it's still 100x easier than buying it all yourself. |
| 00:38.33 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:38.37 | Tain | "Wait how much deathweed did I need?" |
| 00:39.06 | kergoth | its also nice since you can set a threshold for flash powder, so when you'r emaking poisons, it tops that off too |
| 00:39.11 | kergoth | i /always/ forget to buy that |
| 00:39.13 | Tain | I'd do the calculations quick in my head and end up buying 10x too many |
| 00:39.14 | kergoth | even when i'm at the poison vendor |
| 00:39.29 | Tain | Yeah me too. Oh god I'll be out having a fight, be in trouble, hit Vanish and go.. huh? |
| 00:39.30 | cladhaire | so is it a /whisper or a /tell. I'm currently fighting with someone. |
| 00:39.44 | cladhaire | A tell isn't private.. a whisper is.. and back in MY mud days, it was always a whisper |
| 00:40.57 | Tain | I can hit /t faster than /w. Hrm. Actually no. I think I'm wrong now that I try it. |
| 00:41.10 | Tain | Yeah /w is slightly faster. Of course /w isn't /whisper |
| 00:41.10 | kergoth | i always do a whisper, myself |
| 00:41.15 | Tain | Where /t is /tell |
| 00:41.43 | Ktron | I didn't realize there was a difference in WoW |
| 00:41.46 | kergoth | ooh i didnt notice, bliz is bumping the drop rate on shadowcat hides |
| 00:41.47 | Ktron | I always use whispers |
| 00:41.59 | kergoth | finally, thatll be nice for people needing shadowskin gloves |
| 00:42.20 | Cair | there *is* a difference? I thought they were just two different ways of accomplishing the same action (in WoW) |
| 00:42.23 | Tain | Bah I got burned on shadowskin in the AH. Wasn't selling at all. |
| 00:42.31 | cladhaire | they're the same in wow imo |
| 00:42.38 | kergoth | Tain: i'm selling one a day, at 22g buyout, lately |
| 00:42.39 | cladhaire | it was more of a philosophical discussion |
| 00:42.43 | Cair | okay |
| 00:42.44 | Tain | Ug |
| 00:43.04 | kergoth | doesnt take long to farm the hides, especially if you're a druid or shaman |
| 00:43.09 | kergoth | skinning while transformed = yay |
| 00:45.21 | clad|luci | What dropds them? |
| 00:45.38 | kergoth | shadowmaw panthers to the southeast of grom'gol |
| 00:46.03 | kergoth | clad|luci: hemo doesnt stack, right? so you just need to keep it applied? |
| 00:46.39 | clad|luci | correct |
| 00:46.44 | kergoth | k |
| 00:46.49 | clad|luci | kergoth: they cost that much? |
| 00:47.18 | Ktron | firefox is using 117K of memory... and since I can't completely close firefox if I'm running chatzilla, I think it's time to stop using chatzilla ;) |
| 00:47.26 | Ktron | bb, going to try besirc |
| 00:51.18 | Legorol | bummer, Alt+F4 on wrong window => bye bye WoW |
| 00:51.29 | Ktron | heh |
| 00:51.40 | Legorol | i accidnetally alt+f4-d wow |
| 00:51.46 | Ktron | that's why I use control+W as much as I can |
| 00:52.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RasmusKL (n=RasmusKL@wnpgmb09dc1-91-137.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 00:52.16 | Cair | hey RasmusKL |
| 00:52.25 | RasmusKL | Hey Cair. |
| 00:52.27 | RasmusKL | :-) |
| 00:53.58 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cera (i=user@c-69-181-62-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 00:56.14 | clad|luci | control-w ftw |
| 00:59.53 | Tain | I ctrl-q or s a lot when trying to ctrl-w and ctrl-a |
| 01:00.08 | *** part/#wowi-lounge kergoth (n=kergoth@c-24-118-219-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 01:00.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kergoth (n=kergoth@c-24-118-219-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 01:00.26 | kergoth | meh, too many windows |
| 01:00.34 | clad|luci | control-s in a terminal in a scroll lock.. control-q releases it =) |
| 01:02.05 | kergoth | technically, ctrl+s and ctrl+q are xon/xoff. software flow control |
| 01:02.18 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 01:03.19 | Bela|AFK | hi |
| 01:03.40 | Cair|afk | wb |
| 01:03.46 | Cair|afk | PM for you on the site |
| 01:03.49 | Beladona | kk |
| 01:03.53 | Cair|afk | and I'm taking a break |
| 01:06.30 | Beladona | wow |
| 01:06.49 | Beladona | so zeeg was whining about link on the wdn site? |
| 01:07.03 | Beladona | does he not know that ff 1.5 has an issue with css based links? |
| 01:07.36 | ForgottenLords | anyone here use GuildAds? |
| 01:07.40 | Beladona | and I am using ff 1.5, and have had no problem |
| 01:07.44 | Beladona | problems* |
| 01:07.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge BO|Razag (n=nierud@port-212-202-77-27.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 01:08.34 | ForgottenLords | NvM, AFK |
| 01:10.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ktron (n=Khamer@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 01:12.44 | Ktron | heh, I'm not sure if besirc is going to cut it |
| 01:12.54 | Ktron | especially coming off of ChatZilla |
| 01:13.09 | kremonte | mirc..? |
| 01:13.15 | kremonte | xchat? |
| 01:13.17 | Ktron | mirc is shareware |
| 01:13.21 | Ktron | and xchat is for linux |
| 01:13.37 | kremonte | i use mirc and i havent bought it |
| 01:14.17 | kremonte | btw, there is xchat for windows] |
| 01:14.20 | kremonte | http://www.xchat.org/download/ |
| 01:14.24 | Ktron | yeah, there is |
| 01:14.30 | Ktron | I just looked, still ugly |
| 01:14.56 | kremonte | oh, you need something pretty.. >.> |
| 01:15.01 | kremonte | then use AIM, not IRC ;) |
| 01:15.49 | Ktron | except I'd like to be on this channel |
| 01:16.07 | kremonte | you can use IRC in GAIM and trillian |
| 01:16.08 | Ktron | there's not rule that IRC has to look bad |
| 01:16.21 | kremonte | and you can use mirc..lol |
| 01:16.26 | Ktron | I thought about usin IRC in Gaim, but I'd rather not |
| 01:16.31 | Ktron | and I don't like using shareware |
| 01:16.40 | kremonte | lol.. then i dont know |
| 01:16.42 | Legorol | Gaim is not shareware, is it? |
| 01:16.45 | kremonte | nope |
| 01:16.54 | Ktron | yeah, definitely not |
| 01:16.58 | Legorol | mIRC is not shareware either |
| 01:17.00 | Cair | SF |
| 01:17.23 | Ktron | I use Gaim for aim, but I don't care for how Gaim handled IRC last time I used them together |
| 01:17.33 | Ktron | Cair: heh, sourceforge for the win, I've been there |
| 01:17.33 | kremonte | i don't get what you want |
| 01:17.42 | kremonte | you don't want to use any big irc clients |
| 01:17.50 | kremonte | you dont want to use built-in irc functionality |
| 01:18.30 | Ktron | kremonte I want a free/open-source irc client that has an effective gui, is asthetically pleasing, and lets me write scripts |
| 01:18.37 | Ktron | I'll find it, and let you know |
| 01:18.49 | Tain | erm mIRC is shareware |
| 01:19.07 | pagefault | share it and spread it |
| 01:19.23 | pagefault | I use xchat |
| 01:19.24 | pagefault | it works |
| 01:19.40 | kremonte | i have xchat, mirc, trillian, gaim, and chatzilla all on my comp |
| 01:19.49 | kremonte | i dont see whats so wrong with any of them |
| 01:19.51 | pagefault | wow your computer is disgusting |
| 01:20.04 | pagefault | you need to scale down |
| 01:20.07 | pagefault | and choose one of them |
| 01:20.38 | kergoth | pagefault: heh, i've gotten used to xchat-gnome, i wish the windows client had that treeview thingy |
| 01:21.16 | pagefault | port gnome |
| 01:21.18 | pagefault | it's not hard |
| 01:21.30 | Ktron | yeah, that's ridiculous kremonte |
| 01:21.47 | kremonte | everything breaks one time or another ;) |
| 01:21.53 | kergoth | pagefault: well, could probably run it in cygwin :) |
| 01:22.02 | pagefault | I use the built in "windows messenger" |
| 01:22.04 | pagefault | and gaim for AIM |
| 01:22.25 | kremonte | why dont you use gaim for MSN too then o_O |
| 01:22.34 | Ktron | pagefault-- you use windows messenger? that thing is icky, I went through the mild trouble required to completely purge my XP of it |
| 01:22.39 | pagefault | well |
| 01:22.44 | pagefault | it's better than this MSN 7.5 bloat |
| 01:23.01 | pagefault | seriously |
| 01:23.02 | kergoth | i burned an nlite'd xp cd without that crap |
| 01:23.16 | kremonte | argh |
| 01:23.20 | kremonte | i should really install linux again |
| 01:23.22 | pagefault | gaim doesn't handle MSN very well |
| 01:23.25 | pagefault | well it does but I don't know |
| 01:23.27 | kremonte | i still dont know what distro to install |
| 01:23.30 | kergoth | ubuntu |
| 01:23.36 | Ktron | xchat for windows might be okay, its 2nd on the try it list |
| 01:23.38 | pagefault | never ask that question |
| 01:23.43 | pagefault | because you will start a distro war |
| 01:23.45 | Ktron | ubuntu looks like it could be good |
| 01:23.46 | kremonte | ;) |
| 01:23.49 | kergoth | flame wars are fun |
| 01:23.51 | kergoth | down with emacs! |
| 01:23.51 | kremonte | i used to run gentoo |
| 01:23.52 | Ktron | be back |
| 01:23.54 | kremonte | but i broke it every day |
| 01:24.02 | Ktron | gentoo is fun, but not always practical :) |
| 01:24.21 | pagefault | no gentoo for live, screw you guys and your archaic apt crap#@$#$@#$@#$ |
| 01:24.24 | pagefault | </elitist> |
| 01:24.27 | Beladona | ubuntu is decent |
| 01:24.35 | kremonte | lol pagefault |
| 01:24.44 | pagefault | u can't be COOL if you don't compile your own appz |
| 01:24.58 | kremonte | 76g 32s on repairs today |
| 01:24.59 | kremonte | =D |
| 01:25.08 | kremonte | wearing cloth too |
| 01:25.18 | kremonte | apt-get purge kergoth |
| 01:25.20 | pagefault | thats disgusting |
| 01:25.33 | pagefault | deps are for n00bs |
| 01:25.38 | pagefault | I prefer it when everything can get broken and overwritten |
| 01:25.58 | kergoth | yeah, you should definately install linux from scratch or slackware :P |
| 01:26.14 | pagefault | I can't do a 100 step install with slackware |
| 01:26.17 | pagefault | so that is not acceptable |
| 01:26.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:27.12 | pagefault | but in all seriousness gentoo is a good distro |
| 01:27.22 | pagefault | but it seems like I would spend most of my time maintaining it than actually using it |
| 01:27.30 | Tain | Nah. |
| 01:27.44 | kergoth | i run a perverse amolgomation of distros |
| 01:27.44 | Tain | I have Gentoo installed and I don't spend barely any time maintaining it. |
| 01:28.09 | kergoth | ubuntu base with some gentoo distributionisms (tweaked), a ton of custom packages, some openembedded bits.. |
| 01:28.14 | Tain | I want to go back to FreeBSD but I have to get another big HD to copy my filesystem over first. |
| 01:28.22 | pagefault | some crazy person actually has portage working in ubuntu |
| 01:28.58 | Tain | I was playing around and installed ReiserFS because it was this hot new FS. But no support in BSD. |
| 01:29.10 | Tain | So until I get another 200gb drive to copy everything over and reformat I'm stuck with it. |
| 01:29.14 | kergoth | pagefault: hehe, i was surprised when drobbins took my portage criticisms as well as he did, he admits it needs a rewrite |
| 01:29.25 | pagefault | I only use resier on my "OS" partition |
| 01:29.28 | pagefault | my storage is ext3 |
| 01:29.45 | kergoth | mmm, food |
| 01:30.10 | pagefault | kergoth, haha |
| 01:30.16 | pagefault | well portage is a good idea |
| 01:30.26 | kergoth | thats what i think of gentoo in general |
| 01:30.31 | kergoth | lots of really great innovative ideas |
| 01:30.33 | kergoth | implemented poorly |
| 01:30.34 | kergoth | :P |
| 01:30.42 | pagefault | that sums up linux pretty much |
| 01:30.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:30.47 | kergoth | true enough |
| 01:30.53 | kergoth | though thats improving |
| 01:30.59 | kergoth | i'm impressed by current gnome |
| 01:31.04 | kergoth | and it takes quite a bit to impress me |
| 01:31.05 | pagefault | as oppsosed to windows everything implemented poorly and there is no innovation |
| 01:31.36 | pagefault | linux wifi needs to suck less |
| 01:32.33 | kremonte | rofl |
| 01:32.37 | kremonte | "Linux for Human Beings" |
| 01:32.37 | pagefault | you have inspired me to install a native copy of ubuntu breezy |
| 01:32.38 | pagefault | and try WoW |
| 01:32.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge philr_ (n=phil@59.167.154.171) |
| 01:32.47 | pagefault | i'm currently running it in vmware |
| 01:33.45 | kremonte | hmm |
| 01:33.55 | kremonte | will i have to hack up wine to make wow work? |
| 01:34.02 | pagefault | ubuntu is the closest thing I have found so far to linux that "just works" |
| 01:34.05 | pagefault | but that still is pretty far off |
| 01:34.15 | kergoth | one thing that i love lately |
| 01:34.20 | kergoth | is HAL and pmount and stuff |
| 01:34.28 | kergoth | so things automount and pop up explorers on insert and stuff |
| 01:34.31 | kergoth | all happily |
| 01:34.35 | pagefault | yeah welcome to 1995 |
| 01:34.47 | pagefault | I swear |
| 01:34.49 | pagefault | some linux stuff |
| 01:34.50 | kergoth | i like it implemented well. |
| 01:34.55 | kergoth | the old automount stuff was horrendous |
| 01:34.56 | pagefault | they are like "OMG THIS IS AMAZING IT AUTOMOUNTS MY CD" |
| 01:35.03 | kergoth | udev, hal, pmount is beautiful |
| 01:35.03 | pagefault | and it's like 2005 |
| 01:35.44 | Beladona | ubuntu live is handy for some things |
| 01:35.56 | pagefault | I do enjoy USB support that does work |
| 01:36.09 | kergoth | usb-storage doesnt suck as much as it used to |
| 01:36.11 | kergoth | that makes me happy |
| 01:36.12 | pagefault | windows gets too confused when you have 3 storage devices installed |
| 01:36.18 | philr | heh, automounting cds is a bad thing imo |
| 01:36.30 | pagefault | just think |
| 01:36.39 | pagefault | maybe in the next decade it will automatically run something off the cd when you put it in |
| 01:36.47 | kremonte | sweet |
| 01:36.50 | kergoth | *gasp* |
| 01:36.51 | kremonte | ubuntu comes with gnome |
| 01:36.58 | Tain | I've still never had any luck getting any soundcard working on any of my linux systems (many reinstalls, many distros over the years) except for a Soundblaster 16 ISA and a SBLive original OEM. |
| 01:37.16 | pagefault | yeah you can get kubuntu if you really want KDE |
| 01:37.32 | kergoth | i dont use gnome or kde, do an expert ubuntu install and start from scratch, ala debian |
| 01:37.41 | pagefault | xfce4 is nice |
| 01:37.53 | kergoth | yeah, pretty lightweight too, which i like |
| 01:37.59 | kergoth | not as light as fluxbox or something, but its perty too |
| 01:38.01 | kremonte | kde is fugly |
| 01:38.07 | pagefault | fluxbox is too light for me |
| 01:38.10 | pagefault | I want some usefulness |
| 01:38.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:38.19 | kergoth | i love flux. i used ion3 for a while too |
| 01:38.24 | philr | WM dsw? ion ftw |
| 01:38.25 | kergoth | which is more like a console than X |
| 01:38.30 | kergoth | :D |
| 01:38.33 | kergoth | and ion uses lua |
| 01:38.35 | kergoth | which is spiffy |
| 01:38.42 | pagefault | I know people who load X with no WM |
| 01:38.44 | pagefault | only a xterm |
| 01:38.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:38.49 | kergoth | i've done that |
| 01:38.55 | kergoth | also used pwm, which isnt far off |
| 01:38.58 | Iriel | I have to say I've been very disappointed with recent x window managers |
| 01:39.05 | kergoth | how so? |
| 01:39.25 | Iriel | lazy programmers, too concerned with fluff |
| 01:39.31 | Tain | They don't make my coffee in the morning either. |
| 01:39.34 | kergoth | want to elaborate? |
| 01:39.39 | pagefault | man I love it when you bring some huge giant tree to it's knees in WoW |
| 01:39.40 | Iriel | largely handling focus properly with lots of windows on loaded systems |
| 01:39.43 | pagefault | that thump is so satisfying |
| 01:39.48 | kergoth | laziness does not imply being concerned with fluff. the're completely unrelated |
| 01:39.58 | Iriel | well, lazy wasn't quite the right word |
| 01:39.58 | kergoth | laziness is one of the 4 programmer virtues |
| 01:40.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:40.04 | kremonte | :D |
| 01:40.09 | Iriel | "Not paying attention to timestamps on events" |
| 01:40.15 | Iriel | Careless, maybe better than lazy |
| 01:40.20 | pagefault | problem with linux is it's features then documentation |
| 01:40.22 | Tain | Yeah if programmers weren't so lazy they wouldn't find clever new hacks to do things quickly. |
| 01:40.27 | kergoth | i still want waimea to work well |
| 01:40.31 | pagefault | so you get lots of stuff that you have no idea what it does but is potentially cool |
| 01:40.32 | kergoth | uses cairo |
| 01:40.34 | pagefault | but have no documentation on how to use it |
| 01:40.36 | kergoth | ~praise cairo |
| 01:40.38 | purl | All hail cairo! |
| 01:40.48 | Tem|Finals | kergoth: if laziness is a programmer's virtue (I agree) what are the other 3? |
| 01:41.06 | pagefault | drunkeness |
| 01:41.15 | Iriel | they're in the perl manual |
| 01:41.29 | kergoth | yeah, larry wall said it |
| 01:41.33 | kergoth | laziness, impatience, and hubris |
| 01:41.39 | Tem|Finals | that's only 3 |
| 01:41.45 | pagefault | it's a known fact that all good programmers consume a 40oz of malt liquor before working on the linux kernel code |
| 01:41.45 | kergoth | robert love later added the 4th |
| 01:41.47 | Tain | I think it's hubris twice. |
| 01:41.48 | kergoth | "Fear of complexity" |
| 01:41.52 | kergoth | which i agree with wholeheartedly |
| 01:42.03 | Tem|Finals | hmm, yeah |
| 01:42.11 | Tem|Finals | I like laziness most |
| 01:42.48 | pagefault | 2 more rotten wood and I can get my VW trinket |
| 01:42.49 | Tem|Finals | I do everything in my power to get around doing work (when coding) |
| 01:44.23 | pagefault | I find it amusing that new gmail ticker thing always offers me spam recipes when I am in my spam folder |
| 01:44.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:44.34 | pagefault | Spam Breakfast Burritos - Bake 5-10 minutes, serve with salsa |
| 01:44.36 | pagefault | for example |
| 01:44.48 | kremonte | holy crap.. |
| 01:45.01 | kremonte | 600 queue =/ |
| 01:45.06 | kergoth | someone needs to do a greasemonkey script to remove that bar, pagefault |
| 01:45.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:45.26 | pagefault | yeah |
| 01:45.32 | pagefault | I wonder if filterset.g can do it |
| 01:45.40 | Gryphon | :o |
| 01:45.55 | Gryphon | ya such an annoying feature in a rarely used folder.. |
| 01:46.04 | pagefault | I gotta clean it out sometime |
| 01:46.07 | kergoth | i doubt its as simple as blocking an image or something |
| 01:46.11 | pagefault | 3000+ unread spam just doesn't look good |
| 01:46.42 | kergoth | kergoth@handhelds.org goes to gmaill, then i fetchmail it down locally and run a bayesian filter on it |
| 01:46.47 | kergoth | and i STILL get a few leaked into the inbox |
| 01:46.58 | Iriel | dspam does a pretty good job for me |
| 01:46.59 | pagefault | wow |
| 01:47.00 | Gryphon | you can turn off the bar |
| 01:47.00 | pagefault | that was easy |
| 01:47.05 | pagefault | apparently you can simply shut off that bar |
| 01:47.08 | pagefault | go to your options |
| 01:47.10 | kergoth | oh, hehe |
| 01:47.10 | kergoth | cool |
| 01:47.18 | kergoth | ~praise google |
| 01:47.19 | purl | All hail google! |
| 01:47.44 | pagefault | I like that about google |
| 01:47.51 | pagefault | they know when they cross the line and give you an option to fix it |
| 01:48.02 | Gryphon | ook |
| 01:48.19 | pagefault | like I can even turn off that annoying ad about google talk |
| 01:48.57 | kergoth | ~/ I think I'm in love with you .. and your friend. Honest I do. I can't see you and me and her without each other... and I hope you feel the same way too /~ |
| 01:49.00 | kergoth | such a good song |
| 01:49.06 | pagefault | now I just need amazon.com to stop spamming me EVERY DAY |
| 01:49.16 | Iriel | google's grand plan appears to be to become so customer friendly that they make money from companies who want to use google to get to those customers. |
| 01:49.29 | pagefault | I don't care if they make money off me in some probably immoral way |
| 01:49.30 | Iriel | I believe that's just a checkbox on amazon's communication preferences |
| 01:49.33 | pagefault | as long as I am getting what I want |
| 01:49.50 | Iriel | Yay, 40,696 spam emails in my quarantine folder |
| 01:49.53 | Iriel | just what i want |
| 01:50.02 | pagefault | spam from google? |
| 01:50.05 | Iriel | no |
| 01:50.08 | Iriel | spam spam |
| 01:50.12 | Iriel | from some random source |
| 01:50.20 | pagefault | but you could save so much on generic viagra |
| 01:50.31 | Tem|Finals | I don't get spam |
| 01:50.43 | Tem|Finals | I don't know how I've avoided it, but I just don't get spam |
| 01:50.49 | Iriel | I didn't used to on my iriel address, until careless WoW people got virusses |
| 01:50.52 | pagefault | most of the spam I get is from my sourceforge account |
| 01:50.58 | Gryphon | try having a gamespy email addy |
| 01:51.01 | pagefault | lesson to people who work on open source projects |
| 01:51.04 | pagefault | do not list your e-mail anywhere |
| 01:51.05 | pagefault | :) |
| 01:51.09 | Iriel | and now I get lots, but luckily it's largely variations on about 10 themes |
| 01:51.44 | Iriel | My mail email address i've had for years, so that one's pretty bad |
| 01:51.50 | Iriel | main email, even |
| 01:52.04 | pagefault | I just forward everything to gmail and let it handle the spam |
| 01:52.06 | pagefault | it does a good job |
| 01:52.07 | Iriel | I've taken to just creating a new address for everything I do |
| 01:52.21 | Iriel | Yeah, I pass all of my mail through dspam, which is pretty reliable |
| 01:52.52 | Tem|Finals | I don't have the patience to check multiple addresses |
| 01:52.53 | pagefault | oh a NE hunter |
| 01:53.04 | Tem|Finals | exploit? |
| 01:53.07 | Iriel | I filter all the mail back into 2 or 3 folders |
| 01:53.13 | pagefault | you can flag anyone with a pet |
| 01:53.16 | pagefault | if they aren't already |
| 01:53.21 | Tem|Finals | pagefault: how? |
| 01:53.25 | Iriel | But it's handy to see which ones the spam is going to. |
| 01:53.29 | Tem|Finals | I've seen this happen before |
| 01:53.43 | pagefault | just flag yourself and attack their pet |
| 01:53.48 | pagefault | pet is always aggressive |
| 01:53.48 | Tem|Finals | oh hahah nice |
| 01:53.49 | pagefault | due to a bug |
| 01:54.09 | Tem|Finals | bah! distractions! |
| 01:54.18 | pagefault | no response from blue on the issue |
| 01:54.24 | pagefault | my thread is pretty big now |
| 01:54.56 | pagefault | I assume this is just a feature for classes to gank warlocks |
| 01:55.04 | pagefault | hunters just got caught up in the mess |
| 01:57.16 | pagefault | this is a creative spam email |
| 01:57.29 | pagefault | it uses pen1s and pill$ |
| 01:58.01 | pagefault | I guess a lame attempt to thwart spam filters |
| 01:58.34 | Iriel | that's pretty common |
| 01:58.45 | Iriel | freakish spacing, and strange punctuation is also quite common |
| 01:58.47 | pagefault | well I don't normally read my spam :) |
| 01:59.57 | Iriel | Legorol: 9: C1alis is up for grab$ [Save $33] |
| 02:00.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:00.21 | Iriel | Hm, not sure how lego got in there |
| 02:00.21 | kergoth | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogues/talents.html?20531010000000002130550100030100000050052003003000000 .. i think thats teh build i'm gonna go with for now |
| 02:00.24 | Iriel | Silly tab complete |
| 02:01.50 | pagefault | http://mybloop.com/?id=bloobppbpboobplllolobooolb.jpg&desc=Secret%20WoW%20Island...%20an%20illusion |
| 02:01.51 | pagefault | ooh |
| 02:01.56 | pagefault | a fuzzy screenshot |
| 02:03.48 | pagefault | if that is real that is awesome if we can go to draenor |
| 02:04.24 | pagefault | the map is odd though |
| 02:05.37 | kremonte | pagefault - draenor is in the expansion |
| 02:05.42 | pagefault | ah ok |
| 02:18.18 | kremonte | In Soviet Russia, mounts ride you! |
| 02:22.02 | pagefault | apparently the devs are sexist |
| 02:22.13 | pagefault | because there aren't as many male mobs as female mobs? |
| 02:22.14 | pagefault | this is new to me |
| 02:22.23 | kremonte | what? |
| 02:22.25 | kremonte | lol. |
| 02:22.25 | Iriel | there aren't ? |
| 02:22.34 | kremonte | i would think the opposite |
| 02:22.37 | pagefault | those damn harpy's and their wangs |
| 02:22.45 | kremonte | lol |
| 02:22.51 | kremonte | Mrs. Nefarian |
| 02:22.58 | pagefault | the person argues that there needs to be more female representation in a positive way in the game |
| 02:23.21 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:23.22 | kremonte | lol... |
| 02:23.32 | kergoth | whats a good grinding spot at level 38? |
| 02:23.37 | kremonte | horde or ally? |
| 02:23.41 | kergoth | horde |
| 02:23.43 | kremonte | pagefault- 40 man raid today, 1 woman |
| 02:23.50 | pagefault | haha |
| 02:23.56 | pagefault | soon they will be calling it 40 persons raid |
| 02:24.32 | kergoth | mobs in desolace are too low level, and the ones that arent have too many alliance and horde killing them. not much in arathi worth killing. guess i could grind on level 40-41 raptors in stv |
| 02:24.43 | kremonte | you *could* try stv |
| 02:24.46 | kergoth | shimmering flats is too low level also |
| 02:24.50 | pagefault | stv is great if you are alliance |
| 02:25.00 | pagefault | if you are horde I would not touch it with a 50 foot pole |
| 02:25.01 | kremonte | what about alterac, kergoth? |
| 02:25.06 | kergoth | hmm, could try alterac as well, havent been there with this char |
| 02:25.07 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:25.08 | kremonte | pagefault - opposite for me, tbh =/ |
| 02:25.19 | Codayus | Try Wastewander mobs in Tanaris? |
| 02:25.39 | pagefault | on my sever it seems like booty bay has been invaded and taken over by the alliance |
| 02:25.45 | kremonte | those are higher, Codayus |
| 02:25.49 | kremonte | 43+~ |
| 02:26.00 | Codayus | Nope, they start at 40. |
| 02:26.17 | kergoth | hmm, thats worth checking out |
| 02:26.20 | Codayus | But that might be a bit high though...and I don't recall how easy it is to find the lower lvl ones. <shrug> |
| 02:26.22 | kergoth | see how much downtime there is between the battles |
| 02:26.24 | kergoth | yea |
| 02:27.07 | Codayus | Oh, you could try Stahnbrad too... |
| 02:27.33 | Codayus | Or ogres...anywhere with casters is just ideal. Cloth wearers + rogues = mad squishage! :-) |
| 02:27.34 | kergoth | thats the town in alterac? |
| 02:27.39 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:27.47 | Codayus | Yeah, the ruined town, north of the ruins of..whatever that city is. |
| 02:27.48 | kergoth | was grinding on the ogres in arathi a few levels ago with good results |
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| 02:28.50 | pagefault | you know |
| 02:29.00 | pagefault | no one pointed out that the person selling and making bread in IF is female |
| 02:29.05 | pagefault | that just shouts out sexist |
| 02:29.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:29.21 | kergoth | yeah, since no women work in bakerys |
| 02:29.25 | Codayus | All the NE guards are female though. |
| 02:29.33 | kremonte | seist omg |
| 02:29.35 | kremonte | sexist* |
| 02:29.43 | Codayus | Which is in its own way, sexist, since in the WoW mythos only NE females can be warriors. |
| 02:29.50 | pagefault | if females can make food better then males generally I don't see the issue behind that if it's a true fact |
| 02:29.54 | pagefault | it doesn't make them any less of a person though |
| 02:30.01 | Codayus | But OTOH, since it completely reverses normal gender roles, I'm not sure if that makes it good, or bad, or what. |
| 02:30.33 | Codayus | Personally, I just don't care; it's a computer game. Although I WILL point out that hmm, about half of the best MTs I know are female. :-) |
| 02:30.55 | pagefault | most guy's cooking knowledge involves taking something out of the freezer and putting it into the microwave |
| 02:31.09 | kremonte | my warrior is femal |
| 02:31.12 | kremonte | female ^_~ |
| 02:31.22 | pagefault | you just like watching her behind as she runs |
| 02:31.23 | pagefault | admit it |
| 02:31.24 | Tain | I'm a better cook than every woman I personally know. |
| 02:31.31 | kremonte | pagefault..gnome |
| 02:31.34 | kremonte | gnomes don't have asses |
| 02:31.52 | pagefault | people like lots of stuff these days... not my place to question them..... |
| 02:31.53 | Codayus | Oh, kergoth! Good grinding spot guide: |
| 02:31.57 | Codayus | http://64.233.179.104/search?&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fforums.worldofwarcraft.com%2Fthread.aspx%3FFN%3Dwow-rogue%26T%3D29182%26P%3D1 |
| 02:32.19 | pagefault | I think the concept of a gnome rogue is wrong though |
| 02:32.23 | pagefault | how can they possibly backstab you |
| 02:32.49 | kremonte | it's renamed, duh |
| 02:32.50 | kremonte | Shinstab |
| 02:32.51 | Codayus | Hey, I've got a NE rogue. |
| 02:32.58 | kremonte | that's why you call them "SS rogues" |
| 02:32.59 | Codayus | And I BS the giants in MC. |
| 02:33.03 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 02:33.07 | pagefault | NE rogues are fine |
| 02:33.11 | pagefault | it's the gnomes that are.. odd |
| 02:33.19 | kergoth | meh, i dont lke grinding in the badlands. too much space between the mobs, reduces efficiency |
| 02:33.19 | Codayus | YEah, but I come up to it's big toe! |
| 02:33.21 | pagefault | their move should be like, kick in groin |
| 02:33.24 | pagefault | not backstab |
| 02:33.29 | kergoth | i wan to be killing, not running around looking for mobs |
| 02:33.43 | kremonte | kergoth - trogg camps and elementals |
| 02:33.51 | kremonte | i farm those elementals on my warlock, amazing $$' |
| 02:33.56 | kremonte | and no looking for mobs |
| 02:34.11 | Codayus | Yeah, some of the badlands spots have good mob densities. |
| 02:34.32 | pagefault | I like azara? sp? |
| 02:34.36 | pagefault | felcloth farming ftw |
| 02:34.47 | Codayus | Azshara |
| 02:34.50 | Codayus | I think |
| 02:34.57 | kremonte | felwood <3 |
| 02:35.01 | kremonte | jadefire run |
| 02:35.03 | pagefault | goes for 1 gold each on my server |
| 02:35.05 | kergoth | i like that place too. elite dragonkin to skin, giants to try to get that damn blue dragonscale shoulder recipe from.. |
| 02:35.07 | pagefault | insta cash |
| 02:35.24 | kremonte | felcloth is 3-4g each =/ |
| 02:35.25 | kremonte | alliance warsong |
| 02:35.39 | pagefault | well alliance is always more money |
| 02:35.47 | kremonte | in my experience, the other way around |
| 02:35.52 | pagefault | not in mine |
| 02:35.55 | kremonte | more supply on alliance |
| 02:36.00 | pagefault | on all 5 servers horde is always cheaper in my case |
| 02:36.14 | pagefault | I blame the kiddies |
| 02:36.20 | kergoth | wheeee, i hate missing my stop on the zepp |
| 02:36.20 | kremonte | i blame you ^^ |
| 02:36.33 | pagefault | but a bigger population == more gold == higher prices |
| 02:36.40 | pagefault | inflation ftl |
| 02:37.16 | pagefault | thats why I think I am going to roll a new char when they open a new server again |
| 02:37.22 | pagefault | it will be like day 0 again |
| 02:37.26 | kergoth | Codayus: what spots in the badlands should i check out? :) |
| 02:37.27 | Iriel | Why not Draka? It's not THAT old |
| 02:37.31 | kergoth | pagefault: i'm thinking about that too |
| 02:37.41 | pagefault | wasn't draka the one that got bombarded by character transfers? |
| 02:37.44 | kergoth | pagefault: i wish we could get chip to play again :( |
| 02:38.21 | pagefault | he has a girlfriend now |
| 02:38.22 | pagefault | he is a lost cause |
| 02:38.42 | kergoth | i have one too, but she's in another state. *sniff* |
| 02:39.24 | pagefault | get her to quest with you |
| 02:39.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:39.45 | pagefault | or not |
| 02:39.49 | pagefault | guess who gets all the drops |
| 02:40.39 | kergoth | women cost me enough money in real life, do i really want them to cost me gold too? |
| 02:40.40 | kergoth | :P |
| 02:40.58 | kergoth | i'll be having to giftwrap items and shit |
| 02:40.58 | pagefault | depends |
| 02:41.00 | kergoth | ohhh no |
| 02:41.19 | pagefault | in chip's case all it takes is a game of yahoo othello |
| 02:41.22 | pagefault | he is a lucky man |
| 02:41.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:41.28 | kergoth | true that |
| 02:41.34 | kergoth | she's cute, too |
| 02:42.00 | pagefault | yep |
| 02:42.05 | pagefault | did they get that stuff worked out? |
| 02:42.09 | pagefault | I wasn't really paying attention |
| 02:42.25 | kergoth | guess i wasnt either |
| 02:42.31 | pagefault | I just know they were about to break up |
| 02:42.33 | pagefault | then it never happened |
| 02:42.36 | pagefault | so I assume so |
| 02:43.16 | kergoth | something about him wanting kids and her not, like 9871254 years from now |
| 02:43.18 | kergoth | silly people |
| 02:43.57 | pagefault | oh well |
| 02:44.20 | pagefault | why would you not want kids |
| 02:44.28 | pagefault | thats the whole point in living |
| 02:44.32 | pagefault | to spread your genetic material around |
| 02:45.05 | Tain | I can spread genetic material around without having kids. |
| 02:45.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:45.18 | pagefault | yes but it looks bad on paper |
| 02:45.37 | pagefault | you will deny entire generations for existance |
| 02:45.40 | pagefault | can you live with that? |
| 02:45.52 | kergoth | hell yes |
| 02:46.11 | pagefault | haha |
| 02:47.03 | pagefault | oh damn does anyone know if family guy was new |
| 02:47.51 | Tain | Are you kidding, future generations will be learning a 12 character english alphabet and text messaging their homework. |
| 02:48.00 | pagefault | hey man |
| 02:48.03 | Tain | I don't want any part of that. |
| 02:48.04 | pagefault | it's the future (tm) |
| 02:48.08 | pagefault | you can't stop it |
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| 02:48.23 | Kaelten | ello |
| 02:48.27 | Tain | I want full sentences, capitalized properly, and punctuated. |
| 02:48.37 | kergoth | Tain: good luck with that, even today |
| 02:48.40 | kergoth | much less the future |
| 02:48.41 | pagefault | we will always have that in the ancient scrolls previously known as literature |
| 02:48.42 | Tain | I know I won't get it. |
| 02:48.46 | Tain | But that's what I want! |
| 02:48.53 | Tain | Hey Kael |
| 02:48.58 | pagefault | there will be specialists in the future that will decipher these scrolls |
| 02:49.32 | pagefault | in 100 years we will all be speaking english or chinese |
| 02:49.32 | kergoth | the mithril ore icon looks too much like the clam meat icon for my liking |
| 02:49.36 | pagefault | or worse |
| 02:49.38 | pagefault | nothing |
| 02:49.39 | pagefault | hehe |
| 02:50.37 | kremonte | 13375P4|< |-|45 |333|\| 4|)0P73|) 45 73|-| 0|=|=|(|/-\|_ |_4|\|G|_|4G3 0|= 73|-| |_|5/-\ |
| 02:50.55 | pagefault | plus there will be scanners at every corner of the street to see if you have any infringing copyright material |
| 02:51.06 | pagefault | because in the future copyright infringement is a captial offense |
| 02:51.25 | kremonte | punishable by being b7 from the entire world |
| 02:51.44 | pagefault | yes |
| 02:51.51 | pagefault | you will be sent on a slow ship to mars |
| 02:51.55 | pagefault | where you will labour in the mines |
| 02:52.06 | kremonte | yeah, mining for silicon |
| 02:52.11 | Tain | I for one welcome our new Martian overlords. |
| 02:52.12 | pagefault | yes |
| 02:52.20 | pagefault | but there will be an underground rebel movement |
| 02:52.28 | pagefault | and the movie total recall |
| 02:52.29 | pagefault | it will happen irl |
| 02:52.34 | Tain | I'll sell out the human race for a few bucks. |
| 02:52.42 | kergoth | total recall was weird |
| 02:52.47 | kergoth | i still dont know what was real and what wasnt |
| 02:53.00 | pagefault | those movies I think are a pretty good representation of the future I think |
| 02:53.03 | pagefault | that and starship troopers |
| 02:53.11 | pagefault | minus the aliens |
| 02:53.13 | pagefault | or not? |
| 02:53.47 | Tain | Starship Troopers was bad and horribly entertaining at the same time. |
| 02:53.54 | pagefault | much like the future will be |
| 02:54.10 | kremonte | yay, druid 14 |
| 02:54.22 | pagefault | I hope they will have the co-ed locker rooms though |
| 02:54.25 | pagefault | that was the only good thing about it |
| 02:54.39 | clad|gehennas | Tain: I one watched Starship Troopers as intently as possible, as two of my friends had sex in the same room.. like 20 feet away. I was riveted to the televisino, cause I was in Tennessee and I couldn't leave |
| 02:54.44 | kremonte | in the future, when we are born, we will have to choose between a warlock, a priest, or a warrior |
| 02:55.10 | Iriel | I saw Starship Troopers in the cinema when it came out, twice, by choice. |
| 02:55.11 | pagefault | warlocks will be on the 11 oclock news because they were walking home from a quest and a rogue jumped them on the way home |
| 02:55.17 | Iriel | it was like a horrible accident I couldn't look away from |
| 02:55.17 | clad|geddon | =) |
| 02:55.18 | kremonte | lol |
| 02:55.32 | Iriel | pagefault : And flagged them by attacking their pet? |
| 02:55.49 | kremonte | rofl |
| 02:55.52 | pagefault | I expect by that time everything will be a contested zone |
| 02:55.56 | pagefault | so there will be no flags |
| 02:55.57 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:55.59 | kremonte | nah in the future there will be no factions |
| 02:56.21 | Tain | I liked Starship Troopers though. It was funny. |
| 02:56.22 | kremonte | Say one more word young man, and you are banished to Draenor for the night! |
| 02:56.27 | pagefault | "we found a heap of robes and what seems to be a whip from a succubus, there were no shards present" |
| 02:56.46 | kremonte | Suspected culprit is a Night Elf or Undead rogue. |
| 02:57.09 | pagefault | yes |
| 02:57.16 | pagefault | and they put up a mug of the NE or UD avatar from the WoW forums |
| 02:57.21 | kremonte | 'rouge' will become the new 'aks' |
| 02:57.47 | pagefault | that would be awesome though |
| 02:57.52 | pagefault | if they made clothing that gave you better stats |
| 02:58.10 | pagefault | actually |
| 02:58.12 | pagefault | for some people that is already true |
| 02:58.14 | pagefault | what am I saying |
| 02:58.22 | kremonte | *takes off his hat* i don't know math anymore, damnit |
| 02:58.36 | pagefault | the guuchi (sp?) is the epic |
| 02:58.41 | pagefault | and the walmart is some green crap someone found |
| 02:59.00 | kremonte | Hmm, where are your Shifting Cloaks? I'm looking for a Shifting Cloak of the Bear. |
| 02:59.10 | pagefault | what does it shift |
| 02:59.12 | kremonte | Aisle nine, but I think we're out of bear. we have lots of Boar's Head though |
| 02:59.26 | pagefault | yes next to the flux capacitors |
| 02:59.55 | pagefault | bttf did have those clothes that dried themselves |
| 02:59.57 | pagefault | I could see that happening |
| 03:01.10 | pagefault | if I had one of those floating hoverboards i'd so mod that though :) |
| 03:01.40 | kremonte | EquipCompare has been ported to Eyes. Come to your local Eye center to have it implanted. |
| 03:01.51 | kremonte | err, installed :P |
| 03:01.54 | pagefault | thats scary |
| 03:02.02 | pagefault | I am sure you will be able to buy new body parts |
| 03:02.05 | pagefault | in our lifetimes |
| 03:02.23 | pagefault | I don't mean donors either |
| 03:02.27 | pagefault | custom ones |
| 03:02.47 | pagefault | perhaps this is just evolutions plan |
| 03:03.39 | pagefault | oh great |
| 03:03.45 | pagefault | impsy wants me to go back to that forsaken place ST |
| 03:04.34 | kremonte | lol, you only have to do those mini troll bosses |
| 03:04.45 | pagefault | yeah but you join a ST group you are in for the entire thing |
| 03:04.51 | pagefault | it's not as bad as uldaman though |
| 03:04.56 | pagefault | that is easily the worse instance |
| 03:04.59 | pagefault | err worst |
| 03:05.24 | kergoth | i liked ulda |
| 03:05.34 | kergoth | mainly because of the 2h mace that adds +2% to crit that drops off of the boss ;) |
| 03:05.37 | pagefault | I thought it lacked something |
| 03:05.58 | pagefault | only thing good I got from there was a 14 slot bag which was a reward from a guy at TB |
| 03:06.21 | kergoth | woot, big ogre camp in badlands |
| 03:06.26 | kergoth | methinks i'll be here a while |
| 03:06.33 | pagefault | I love those things |
| 03:06.40 | pagefault | dustwallow marsh is my favourite |
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| 03:07.13 | kergoth | some guide i read recommended the dustwallow marsh murlocs as a place to grind at level 38 |
| 03:07.23 | pagefault | yeah it's nice |
| 03:07.29 | pagefault | I totally skipped over that place |
| 03:07.30 | kergoth | murlocs? jesus, they disease /and/ run, and hang out in camps of numbers its hard to seperate. no thanks |
| 03:07.30 | pagefault | I wish I didn't |
| 03:07.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:07.36 | kergoth | the rest of the marsh is cool |
| 03:07.59 | pagefault | I forgot it was even in the game until I had a warlock quest to go there |
| 03:08.44 | pagefault | warlocks always hang around depressing places |
| 03:08.51 | kergoth | i always only went there to get that damn first aid book |
| 03:10.23 | pagefault | yeah I need to do that |
| 03:10.27 | pagefault | I went from 1 to 60 with 0 first aid |
| 03:10.31 | pagefault | so now I am working on it |
| 03:11.33 | ForgottenLords | I still think fishing is worse getting to 300... however First aid does have that whole 'turning runecloth into bandages when I could be handing them in to Darnassus' thing... |
| 03:13.02 | pagefault | well it has it's uses in pvp |
| 03:13.09 | pagefault | like in AB I can just buy the premade ones from the guy |
| 03:13.12 | pagefault | but I still need the skill |
| 03:13.14 | kremonte | FA us great in BWL |
| 03:13.19 | kremonte | i used 42 bandages today |
| 03:13.36 | pagefault | I want to go there |
| 03:13.39 | pagefault | but no MC gear no dice |
| 03:14.00 | pagefault | i'm going to MC soon though |
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| 03:14.17 | pagefault | thankfully someone on my server has organized a "horde to the core" group that weekly does ZG, MC without leaving your current guild |
| 03:14.22 | pagefault | and it's all master looter so no ninjas |
| 03:20.40 | pagefault | haha if I search for wowbits I get myself |
| 03:20.56 | pagefault | damn you purl |
| 03:24.10 | Tem|Finals | Oh wow, there is a new "Sold By: " global string |
| 03:24.28 | clad|geddon | ooh |
| 03:24.31 | clad|geddon | that could be fun |
| 03:24.31 | Tem|Finals | I wonder if they are going to cut the market out from under the people who buy vendor patterns |
| 03:24.43 | Tem|Finals | and resell them |
| 03:25.00 | Tem|Finals | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.24 | Tain | Come on the best is people buying vendor patterns that sell in Ogrimmar or Ironforge and putting them at the AH. |
| 03:26.08 | Tem|Finals | It really bothers me when people do that |
| 03:26.40 | pagefault | I do that all the time with cooking stuff |
| 03:26.48 | pagefault | maybe next time they will get an addon that tells you who sells stuff |
| 03:26.49 | Tain | Of course it's terrible to the people who don't know, but the idea of it is funny to me. |
| 03:26.49 | pagefault | :) |
| 03:27.06 | Tem|Finals | Oh right I forgot about these |
| 03:27.12 | Tem|Finals | <contraversy> |
| 03:27.13 | Tem|Finals | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.22 | Tem|Finals | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.23 | pagefault | uh right |
| 03:27.26 | Tem|Finals | </contraversy> |
| 03:27.32 | pagefault | nothing cheating about telling you who sells something |
| 03:27.36 | pagefault | might as well shut down thotbott |
| 03:27.57 | Tain | Yeah that addon banned stuff is going to make for some big drama. |
| 03:28.01 | pagefault | just don't buy white text recipes |
| 03:28.22 | Tain | The first one that gets banned will cause two pages of complaints from people who've never even heard of it, never mind used it. |
| 03:28.22 | Tem|Finals | Tain: those have been in the global strings since 1.8 |
| 03:28.46 | Tain | I know, it's just going to be chaos when it finally happens I bet. |
| 03:28.57 | Tem|Finals | I'll be interested to see |
| 03:29.13 | pagefault | silly to ban for something that should have been built in functionality to begin with |
| 03:29.18 | Tem|Finals | I think it will be a long time before they go into effect at all |
| 03:29.39 | Tem|Finals | because, IMO, they need to release a document of some kind that clearly outlines what they want addons to do |
| 03:29.42 | pagefault | thats why so many warlocks got upset when they tried to ban servitude |
| 03:29.47 | pagefault | if the in-game AI wasn't so stupid |
| 03:29.49 | pagefault | we wouldn't have to use it |
| 03:30.31 | pagefault | how much effort is it to check if a target can even cast anything before you cast spell lock |
| 03:30.43 | Tem|Finals | then after a while of that being out they can say, this addon violates the <insert legal acronym here>; it is now banned |
| 03:31.24 | pagefault | I wonder how they will ban |
| 03:31.29 | Tem|Finals | Especially if they want to kill Decursive.. CT_RA is much "worse" in that it's smarter |
| 03:31.38 | pagefault | how do you determine if <addon> is banable |
| 03:31.58 | pagefault | you can just change the name of it or do something silly like that |
| 03:32.00 | pagefault | and it works again |
| 03:32.03 | pagefault | unless you nerf the API itself |
| 03:32.34 | Tem|Finals | I have no idea how they are going to do it |
| 03:32.44 | pagefault | that seems to be the business plan for blizzard these days |
| 03:32.50 | pagefault | 1. make WoW |
| 03:32.52 | pagefault | 2. ??? |
| 03:32.54 | pagefault | 3. profit |
| 03:33.29 | Tain | I just think they underestimated what people would learn to do. |
| 03:33.38 | pagefault | lucky for them most people skip step 2 |
| 03:33.56 | Tain | The Blizzard devs would go at it from the perspective of knowing what their tools are, and what they're supposed to do with them. (Mostly) |
| 03:34.14 | pagefault | I think the devs are smart |
| 03:34.22 | pagefault | but the people who feed with with feedback are the problem |
| 03:35.00 | pagefault | devs basically have to do whatever the decision making people decide |
| 03:35.16 | Tain | Usually it's not the devs at a big company who get to make some of the choices of what to implement. |
| 03:35.32 | Tem|Finals | I think in WoW, the devs /are/ the decision people |
| 03:35.47 | Tain | It seems like it in some cases, or maybe many cases. |
| 03:35.50 | pagefault | I don't think so, there some some clueless things they do |
| 03:36.51 | Tain | Who knows. |
| 03:36.58 | kremonte | what level herb is earthroot? :X |
| 03:37.05 | pagefault | to me it doesn't seem like a programmer who focuses on logic would do some of the stuff they do |
| 03:37.52 | Tain | It's tough though, there's so many consequences from any single change. |
| 03:38.15 | Tain | I don't know exactly kremonte, but I'm pretty sure I was harvesting it in my low to mid teen levels so it can't be that high. |
| 03:38.26 | pagefault | what bothers me is how it takes them a year to come up with a half-assed solution to a problem that is clearly solvable |
| 03:38.56 | pagefault | it's like the decision makers don't really play the game |
| 03:39.00 | pagefault | they just look at it on paper |
| 03:39.07 | Tem|Finals | kremonte: you need to have like 15 herbalism to pick earthroot |
| 03:39.30 | Tain | I don't know about WoW's management, but it is like that most of the time, pagefault. |
| 03:39.40 | Tain | Financial people and business managers make a lot of decisions. |
| 03:40.07 | pagefault | there is no reason marketing folk should have anything to do with the gameplay |
| 03:40.13 | pagefault | they get their money per month either way |
| 03:40.17 | pagefault | thats their only job |
| 03:40.29 | Tain | It's always about maximizing the money. |
| 03:40.57 | pagefault | it's clear they dont' do anything about gold farming either because it keeps people in the game if they can buy gold instead of just giving up on it |
| 03:41.30 | Tain | I do think the games would all sell stuff in game themselves if they could. |
| 03:41.43 | Tain | But it's a very slippery slope for the owner of a game to do that. |
| 03:41.44 | pagefault | there would be so much backlash |
| 03:42.21 | pagefault | they really gotta be kidding when they say $40 for a transfer though |
| 03:42.40 | pagefault | thats just greed |
| 03:43.09 | pagefault | as a player I don't choose the realm I play on to suck |
| 03:43.15 | pagefault | why should I have to pay to get out of that |
| 03:44.01 | Gryphon | blam people who would exploit it |
| 03:44.08 | Gryphon | +e |
| 03:44.17 | pagefault | I think there should be a month cooldown on transfers |
| 03:44.19 | pagefault | and make them $10 max |
| 03:44.58 | pagefault | or even make it transfer with zero gold |
| 03:45.03 | pagefault | that would be acceptable as well |
| 03:46.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Depherios (n=Deph@67.189.88.161) |
| 03:54.10 | Tain | Be glad you get to choose a server at all. FFXI was weird like that. |
| 03:54.20 | pagefault | that was lame |
| 03:54.25 | pagefault | they assume you have no social life outside the game |
| 03:55.31 | kremonte | lol, WP's ftw |
| 03:55.39 | kremonte | i'm making a taru bst right now =O |
| 03:57.38 | kergoth | ~emulate zim |
| 03:57.39 | purl | worse... or _better_? |
| 03:57.59 | kremonte | purl sucks |
| 03:58.01 | purl | For twenty bucks I'll do more than that |
| 03:58.01 | kergoth | i should make that quote include more context |
| 03:58.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:58.18 | kremonte | purl is a perv |
| 03:58.31 | Tain | "what are skins?how do u instal them?what websight do u get them from? plz help me" |
| 03:58.37 | kergoth | "I put the fires out!" "You made them WORSE!" "worse...or better?" |
| 04:01.49 | pagefault | haha |
| 04:01.51 | pagefault | what is that from |
| 04:02.07 | pagefault | it sounds like something fry would say |
| 04:04.09 | futrtrubl | Invador ZIM! |
| 04:04.43 | futrtrubl | Tain, you saw my responce to that post? |
| 04:05.01 | Tain | Which post? |
| 04:05.33 | futrtrubl | Skins post |
| 04:05.39 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 04:06.14 | futrtrubl | anyways, back to Law and Order: CI I go |
| 04:08.37 | *** part/#wowi-lounge clad|sleep (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-59-51-225.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 05:02.47 | pagefault | kremonte, I found a warlock with the reagents |
| 05:02.51 | pagefault | no need to shell out another 250g |
| 05:02.53 | pagefault | I am happier |
| 05:03.14 | pagefault | I suspect I have to tip him well though |
| 05:07.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 05:08.05 | Guillotine | hey guys. back from the narnia movie and dinner |
| 05:08.31 | Guillotine | warning SPOILER: |
| 05:08.41 | Guillotine | the cool-aid guy kills the pillsbury dough boy |
| 05:09.14 | Guillotine | its true |
| 05:09.27 | Guillotine | why am I getting the silent treatment? |
| 05:09.39 | Guillotine | what'd I ever do to you? |
| 05:10.05 | futrtrubl | plenty. _SHUN_ |
| 05:10.45 | Guillotine | hey! its futrtrubl! |
| 05:10.59 | pagefault | hmm |
| 05:11.01 | futrtrubl | where?! |
| 05:11.09 | Guillotine | have you always been active on the discord forums or am I just noticing you now that I know you? |
| 05:11.14 | pagefault | trying to get itemrack to auto equip my argent dawn comission when I get into PL |
| 05:11.20 | pagefault | PL is fun |
| 05:11.36 | futrtrubl | been there for about 2 months, left for about a week when my comp died |
| 05:12.04 | futrtrubl | Discord is what inspired me to make BEB |
| 05:12.12 | Guillotine | I <3 discord... |
| 05:12.17 | futrtrubl | me too |
| 05:12.22 | Guillotine | been using it for a while nonw |
| 05:12.29 | futrtrubl | I want to bear freaky discord babies |
| 05:12.32 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 05:12.38 | kremonte | hmm |
| 05:12.49 | pagefault | yay fixed |
| 05:12.50 | kremonte | i wonder if it would be possible to edit the anim files to make all NE jumps flips |
| 05:13.01 | futrtrubl | ok, brb |
| 05:13.28 | pagefault | awesome |
| 05:13.29 | pagefault | it works |
| 05:14.17 | kremonte | discord uses a lot of memory :( |
| 05:14.26 | kremonte | if i didnt get shit FPS already i'd use it |
| 05:15.04 | Guillotine | kremonte: i wish. you'd have to edit the model files, which, as far as I know, noone has figured out how to do yet with WoW |
| 05:15.16 | kremonte | it's not so much as model as with animation |
| 05:15.25 | kremonte | i know HOW it could be done, just don't possess the knowledge to do so |
| 05:15.48 | kremonte | the dbc file for animation has all of the animations listed, so maybe editing jump1 to jump2 or something |
| 05:16.12 | kremonte | i know it works like that because of the dance files, it's random which part of your dance you do next ,and there's a whole bunch of seperate animation files |
| 05:16.25 | Guillotine | hey kremonte, check out http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=278754&p=1&tmp=1#post278754 |
| 05:16.35 | Guillotine | someone figured out how to spoof text before links it looks like |
| 05:16.47 | Tain | So instead of doing a flip you could make them dance. |
| 05:16.50 | Guillotine | whereas we can only do it after.. |
| 05:16.55 | kremonte | OF COURSE TAIN. lol |
| 05:16.57 | kremonte | hmmm Guillotine |
| 05:17.14 | kremonte | damnit |
| 05:17.17 | Guillotine | or did they use an addon to do that? |
| 05:17.22 | kremonte | i have homework to do but now i MUST KNOW |
| 05:17.26 | kremonte | I MUST KNOW E_E |
| 05:17.33 | Guillotine | if you can add on stuff before a link? |
| 05:17.38 | kremonte | how to do it |
| 05:17.39 | Guillotine | I thought that d/c you, but... |
| 05:18.39 | Guillotine | could it just be http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1911 with both ppl having it installed? |
| 05:19.01 | kremonte | dun think so |
| 05:19.12 | kremonte | ok placeholder in case i (know i will) get dc'ed /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("\124cff1eff00\124Hitem:5617:0:0:0\124h[Test Vagabond Leggings]\124h\124r"); |
| 05:19.22 | Guillotine | ok |
| 05:19.22 | kremonte | ..... |
| 05:19.24 | kremonte | LOL |
| 05:19.27 | Guillotine | what? |
| 05:19.32 | kremonte | guess. XD |
| 05:19.36 | Guillotine | it d/c you? |
| 05:19.38 | Guillotine | you crashed/ |
| 05:19.40 | kremonte | it worked |
| 05:19.41 | Guillotine | it worked?? |
| 05:19.43 | Guillotine | lol |
| 05:19.44 | kremonte | baaaaahahahahhaha |
| 05:19.51 | kremonte | ok editing spoofer |
| 05:19.52 | Guillotine | time to fix up the addon :) |
| 05:19.56 | Guillotine | you want to do it or should I? |
| 05:19.59 | kremonte | lemme |
| 05:20.01 | Guillotine | ok |
| 05:20.07 | Guillotine | give me link to new version then |
| 05:20.37 | Guillotine | but so far I think we'ere the only ones that can really spoof enchants/stats |
| 05:20.41 | Guillotine | at least that I've seen |
| 05:20.41 | kremonte | ^_~ |
| 05:22.12 | kremonte | sweet |
| 05:22.21 | RedcXe | KREMONTE |
| 05:22.24 | kremonte | i need to do a [Forseti will never get The Untamed Blade LOL!] now |
| 05:22.25 | kremonte | hey alex |
| 05:22.50 | RedcXe | kremonte is shitty and cant make my my polly addon :( |
| 05:22.58 | kremonte | it's impossible, shut up |
| 05:23.05 | RedcXe | THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX |
| 05:23.13 | kergoth | BE LESS ANNOYING |
| 05:23.14 | RedcXe | this is the matrix |
| 05:23.17 | RedcXe | anything is possible |
| 05:23.18 | RedcXe | OIC |
| 05:23.20 | RedcXe | fine bye |
| 05:23.40 | Guillotine | what exactly do you want? |
| 05:23.52 | Guillotine | maybe I can think of a way to make it... |
| 05:24.22 | Guillotine | i was going to say "you know, I'm much smarter than kremonte" but I decided I didn't want to have to start working alone on our addon |
| 05:24.36 | RedcXe | i bet you are |
| 05:24.39 | RedcXe | kremonte is dumb |
| 05:24.46 | Guillotine | so what addon do you want? |
| 05:25.08 | RedcXe | i just wanted an addon to keep track of polly that lets you automatically resheep it |
| 05:25.14 | RedcXe | when it breaks |
| 05:25.31 | futrtrubl | it's the automatic bit that's the prob |
| 05:25.32 | kremonte | but you can't keep track of 2 mobs with the same name independantly |
| 05:25.49 | RedcXe | ok i said forget it already :P |
| 05:26.42 | Guillotine | So? you can still make it work in PVP |
| 05:26.47 | kremonte | To [Forseti]: [You will never get The Untamed Blade LOL!] [Forseti] whispers: You crit Kremonte for 2k. Your MS crits Kremonte for 2400. Kremonte dies |
| 05:26.48 | Guillotine | but, ya, kremonte is right |
| 05:26.58 | Guillotine | haha |
| 05:27.22 | Guillotine | haha krem. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=278754&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 05:27.42 | kremonte | i loled |
| 05:27.49 | Guillotine | too bad selling addons isn't really legal. I bet we could make a fortune with our spoofing addon |
| 05:28.02 | Guillotine | of course it would then get fixed next patch |
| 05:28.07 | Guillotine | but we'd still have the money |
| 05:28.19 | RedcXe | forseti needs a nerf :( |
| 05:28.27 | Guillotine | do you like my new sig? |
| 05:28.36 | kremonte | haha |
| 05:28.58 | RedcXe | hey Guillotine |
| 05:29.03 | RedcXe | that wasnt smart posting that in the thread |
| 05:29.08 | RedcXe | because they will nerf it B) |
| 05:29.13 | Guillotine | slouken already knows |
| 05:29.13 | kremonte | RedcXe, lots of people know abnout it already =/ |
| 05:29.18 | RedcXe | OIC |
| 05:29.18 | kremonte | and yea slouken knows |
| 05:29.19 | kremonte | >:( |
| 05:29.20 | Guillotine | I sent him a copy of my addon when I first made it |
| 05:29.31 | Guillotine | but he said its still not worth fixing |
| 05:29.34 | kremonte | he's cursing you out for that shitty XML |
| 05:29.36 | Guillotine | unless it becomes wide spread |
| 05:29.45 | Guillotine | lol. it didn't have any xml at first |
| 05:29.53 | RedcXe | you guys can do before the text now? |
| 05:29.57 | Guillotine | yup |
| 05:29.58 | kremonte | yup |
| 05:30.00 | Guillotine | and stats |
| 05:30.01 | kremonte | ill link you in a sec alex |
| 05:30.01 | Guillotine | and enchants |
| 05:30.02 | RedcXe | noic |
| 05:30.12 | RedcXe | stats too? |
| 05:30.14 | RedcXe | heh |
| 05:30.31 | kremonte | like the of-the-blah stats |
| 05:30.35 | Guillotine | right |
| 05:30.38 | kremonte | and it shows of the animal on the tooltip |
| 05:30.52 | kremonte | so i can do [thunderfury, ble... of the gorilla] and the tooltip says it too |
| 05:31.04 | Guillotine | did you know that ALL items have an "of the something" even if its not displayed or taken into account in the stats? |
| 05:31.04 | RedcXe | gimme the addon |
| 05:31.06 | RedcXe | LOLZ |
| 05:31.20 | Guillotine | like glowing brightwood staff is "of the owl" |
| 05:31.20 | kremonte | yup, of the TWILIGHT ZONE |
| 05:31.27 | kremonte | o_O |
| 05:31.30 | Guillotine | according to the link at least |
| 05:31.33 | Guillotine | check it out |
| 05:31.33 | kremonte | what about items statlist? |
| 05:31.40 | kremonte | statless |
| 05:31.44 | Guillotine | not sure |
| 05:31.46 | Guillotine | havn't checked |
| 05:31.53 | RedcXe | krem |
| 05:31.56 | RedcXe | get UI designer |
| 05:31.56 | RedcXe | gogo |
| 05:32.03 | Guillotine | we have it |
| 05:32.08 | RedcXe | http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/ui-designer.shtml |
| 05:32.09 | kremonte | frontpage-ish XML |
| 05:32.11 | Guillotine | thats what I originally made the gui for our spoofing addon with |
| 05:32.17 | kremonte | oh that |
| 05:32.17 | kremonte | no |
| 05:32.18 | RedcXe | then you can add in /rly command |
| 05:32.20 | Guillotine | ohhh. get the job. lol |
| 05:32.23 | Guillotine | ya! do it! |
| 05:32.24 | kremonte | i'm 14 years old |
| 05:32.26 | RedcXe | SO |
| 05:32.30 | kremonte | the only job i can get is like, at castle golf |
| 05:32.48 | Guillotine | well, I could technically get that job in 4 days when I'm legally old enough to work there... |
| 05:32.49 | kremonte | and i don't even know how to compose a resume :( |
| 05:33.00 | kergoth | so learn |
| 05:33.01 | kremonte | i have to get you a birthday present |
| 05:33.12 | kremonte | [Birthday Candy Corn of the Guillotine] |
| 05:33.16 | Guillotine | plus, I live in Irvine anyway |
| 05:33.23 | Guillotine | like 5 mins from the Blizz HQ |
| 05:33.27 | Guillotine | but I could never get the job |
| 05:33.48 | Guillotine | in 2 years maybe... Although I'd like to go to college first |
| 05:34.03 | Guillotine | too bad Blizz only has full time jobs |
| 05:34.08 | Guillotine | I'd love to work there otherwise |
| 05:34.09 | kremonte | o_o |
| 05:34.12 | Guillotine | be Slouken's intern :D |
| 05:34.16 | RedcXe | work at blizz and TELL US ALL THEIR SEKRETS |
| 05:34.20 | kremonte | i live a country away from blizz :( |
| 05:34.23 | RedcXe | like what the new race will be |
| 05:34.28 | kremonte | everything is in california or japan |
| 05:34.28 | Guillotine | slouken already told us |
| 05:34.30 | kremonte | EVERYTHING |
| 05:34.34 | RedcXe | what is it |
| 05:34.37 | Guillotine | ill link the image redcxe |
| 05:35.24 | RedcXe | :o |
| 05:35.41 | kremonte | k Guillotine, works, prettying up the xml now |
| 05:36.56 | Guillotine | so krem, you live in Canada? |
| 05:37.12 | RedcXe | he lives in NY |
| 05:37.13 | kremonte | NY :X |
| 05:37.19 | kremonte | so does this noob here /point RedcXe |
| 05:37.22 | Guillotine | oh. then you dont live in an igloo |
| 05:37.23 | RedcXe | NOPENOPE |
| 05:37.27 | RedcXe | i live in jamaica |
| 05:37.27 | RedcXe | B) |
| 05:37.28 | kremonte | i live in an igloo |
| 05:37.36 | kremonte | i never come out of my igloo |
| 05:37.37 | kremonte | =( |
| 05:37.38 | RedcXe | Guillotine whats the new race |
| 05:38.04 | Guillotine | I'm uploading the screenshot of Slouken telling us to WoWI right now |
| 05:38.16 | RedcXe | he comes in here??!1?1!?1 :O!1o1o1o3o!? |
| 05:38.31 | Guillotine | ya. you didn't know? |
| 05:38.34 | RedcXe | nope |
| 05:38.47 | Guillotine | why do you think the topic says "No hassling Slouken about work"? |
| 05:39.14 | RedcXe | OIC |
| 05:39.39 | RedcXe | i have to complain to him to nerf hamstring :D |
| 05:39.53 | Cair | not in here you don't |
| 05:39.57 | RedcXe | i was kidding |
| 05:40.37 | kremonte | nerf mages, velan crit for 11k |
| 05:40.59 | futrtrubl | Guillotine, reading the why/script? thread? |
| 05:41.14 | RedcXe | i bet on the broodlord adds |
| 05:41.18 | RedcXe | with negative resists |
| 05:41.43 | Guillotine | i already posted on it |
| 05:41.46 | Guillotine | are there updates? |
| 05:42.02 | futrtrubl | Cair, the framelevel options are coming quite nicely ;'] |
| 05:42.03 | kremonte | RedcXe - not negative resists |
| 05:42.07 | futrtrubl | yup Guillotine |
| 05:42.11 | kremonte | it's a magic buff |
| 05:42.21 | kremonte | 10% of all magic taken, except that element they are weak to |
| 05:42.21 | Cair | futrtrubl: cool |
| 05:43.04 | RedcXe | i speced into arcane power on test server |
| 05:43.08 | RedcXe | its nothing special |
| 05:43.12 | Guillotine | RedcXe: check out http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2423 |
| 05:43.15 | Guillotine | read the whole thread |
| 05:43.25 | Guillotine | screenshot of slouken revealing new race is at the bottom |
| 05:43.38 | pagefault | how much does a +22 int enchantment usually cost |
| 05:43.44 | kremonte | i love you Guillotine |
| 05:43.56 | RedcXe | i hope its owls |
| 05:43.57 | Guillotine | alot |
| 05:43.59 | RedcXe | that would OWN |
| 05:44.07 | Guillotine | RedcXe: close |
| 05:44.30 | Guillotine | just read the thread |
| 05:45.16 | futrtrubl | ~o rly? |
| 05:45.18 | purl | ACTION slaps futrtrubl several times across the face before kidney punching them and pulling out a shotgun to blow their brains out: "Ya rly!" |
| 05:45.25 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 05:45.25 | purl | aw, gee, kergoth |
| 05:45.28 | futrtrubl | ;'] I love purl |
| 05:45.32 | Guillotine | who doesn't? |
| 05:45.33 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 05:45.35 | purl | When I stick this army guy with the sharp bayonette up my nose, it tickles my brain. Hah hah hah ... ow. Oh, now I don't know math. |
| 05:45.42 | futrtrubl | purl, you're fat. |
| 05:45.43 | purl | No I'm not! I'm just big boned. |
| 05:45.56 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 05:45.57 | purl | It's partially an expression of my teenage angst...but mostly, it's a moo cow! |
| 05:45.59 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/wowimg/flamedeflector.jpg |
| 05:46.02 | kergoth | hee |
| 05:46.04 | kergoth | i love that quote |
| 05:46.10 | pagefault | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/Valjiin/wtbarmor.jpg |
| 05:46.11 | pagefault | ewww |
| 05:46.24 | Guillotine | hehe. Cair, my new sig is "PEBKAC. Best addon ever. Google it" |
| 05:46.34 | kremonte | Guillotine / RedcXe - http://dan-rouse.com/wowimg/flamedeflector.jpg ^^ |
| 05:46.56 | RedcXe | im ice spec |
| 05:46.59 | RedcXe | you lose |
| 05:47.38 | kremonte | i have almost all the mats for ice deflector |
| 05:47.39 | kremonte | you lose |
| 05:47.57 | Guillotine | im guillotine |
| 05:47.59 | Guillotine | you lose |
| 05:48.13 | kremonte | damn, i got owned |
| 05:48.28 | futrtrubl | ~owned |
| 05:48.29 | purl | No one gives a shit, futrtrubl. |
| 05:48.37 | futrtrubl | :( |
| 05:48.49 | Guillotine | haha |
| 05:48.52 | Guillotine | purl is so funny |
| 05:49.13 | kergoth | ~factinfo owned |
| 05:49.13 | purl | owned -- created by hoxu <hoxu@dsl-jklgw3i1c.dial.inet.fi> at Fri Mar 21 20:01:27 2003 (996 days); it has been requested 7 times, last by futrtrubl, 44s ago. |
| 05:49.21 | futrtrubl | purl needs to be less like a real person :( |
| 05:49.40 | futrtrubl | ~literal owned |
| 05:49.41 | purl | "owned" is "<reply> No one gives a shit, $who." |
| 05:51.12 | Tem | ~pwned |
| 05:51.14 | purl | it has been said that pwned is like owned, but better. |
| 05:51.14 | RedcXe | fads that need to die: |
| 05:51.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge saysur|afk (i=Saysur@pool-71-251-54-211.washdc.east.verizon.net) |
| 05:51.26 | RedcXe | O RLY? YA RLY NO WAY |
| 05:51.32 | kremonte | NO WAI* |
| 05:51.33 | RedcXe | Its fine learn 2 play |
| 05:51.38 | RedcXe | leeroy jenkins |
| 05:51.39 | Tem | it's fune learn2play |
| 05:51.41 | Tem | fine |
| 05:51.46 | Tem | cry more noob |
| 05:51.54 | RedcXe | o rly? |
| 05:51.57 | Tem | ya rly |
| 05:52.02 | kremonte | no rly |
| 05:52.05 | Tem | no wai |
| 05:52.32 | Tem | those annoy the piss out of me |
| 05:52.34 | futrtrubl | I haxzors u |
| 05:52.55 | RedcXe | yea |
| 05:52.56 | RedcXe | they do |
| 05:53.00 | kremonte | WTS [Nerf Lok'amir il Romathis, too much +damage!] |
| 05:53.08 | RedcXe | and so does "its fine l2p" and "cry more noob l2p" |
| 05:53.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge saysur|afk (i=Saysur@pool-71-251-54-211.washdc.east.verizon.net) |
| 05:53.23 | kremonte | cinald , it's fine |
| 05:53.30 | saysur|afk | !!!!!!!' ,!!!!; ;!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>, ,;; ` |
| 05:53.30 | saysur|afk | !!!!' ,<!!!!' ,<!!!!!!!!!!!!!''`````````````!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,`'!!!; |
| 05:53.30 | saysur|afk | !'',;!!!!'' ,!!!!!!!!!!''` .``'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,``!! |
| 05:53.30 | saysur|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.30 | saysur|afk | !!!!' ,<!!!!!!!!!'' `<. `!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, |
| 05:53.31 | Tem | aye, most annoying |
| 05:53.36 | Cair | ... |
| 05:53.38 | Tem | lol |
| 05:53.39 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 05:53.48 | Cair | who the heck was that? |
| 05:53.50 | Tem | I think we were about to get the orly bird |
| 05:53.51 | RedcXe | its fine learn to ice block |
| 05:53.54 | kergoth | dunno, but i'd advise banning them |
| 05:54.00 | futrtrubl | the beggining of the o rly bird |
| 05:54.06 | Tem | ice block 0wns |
| 05:54.16 | Cair | I know *what* it was, I just want to know *who* |
| 05:54.18 | Tem | ice block is ub3r |
| 05:54.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Eraphine|Disco2 (n=Eraphine@brenna.human.cornell.edu) |
| 05:54.48 | futrtrubl | it was you Eraphine|Disco! don't deny it! |
| 05:55.08 | Tem | clearly not possible |
| 05:55.18 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 05:55.25 | Tem | eraphine is in NY |
| 05:55.42 | Tem | whoever that was is in washinton |
| 05:55.58 | kremonte | "how do u do that?" "LL code hehe" "its ez just edit LL" |
| 05:56.17 | Tem | oh yeah there's one that bugs me |
| 05:56.20 | Tem | "u" |
| 05:56.22 | Tem | "ez" |
| 05:56.24 | RedcXe | kremonte did it |
| 05:56.35 | RedcXe | optimum online and verizon are practically the same |
| 05:56.40 | kremonte | wtf no way |
| 05:56.44 | kremonte | OOL sucks with downtime |
| 05:56.50 | RedcXe | LIES |
| 05:56.52 | Tem | honestly, how hard is it to type the 2 extra letters? |
| 05:57.02 | kremonte | bc u r a nub rofl |
| 05:57.03 | RedcXe | i love the wow general forums |
| 05:57.15 | Tem | I avoid them like the plague |
| 05:57.19 | RedcXe | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6203600&p=1&tmp=1#post6203600 |
| 05:57.25 | RedcXe | lol mormons |
| 05:58.17 | Guillotine | plz say that wasn't you RedcXe... |
| 05:58.22 | RedcXe | no |
| 05:58.25 | Guillotine | ty |
| 05:58.26 | RedcXe | my char is a 60 mage of death |
| 05:58.33 | pagefault | You crit english language for 5341, language dies. |
| 05:58.35 | RedcXe | thread got deleted |
| 05:58.36 | RedcXe | :( |
| 05:58.41 | Guillotine | whoever wrote that is going to get banned from the forums |
| 05:58.56 | RedcXe | owned |
| 05:59.07 | futrtrubl | OMGWTFBBQ! |
| 05:59.10 | RedcXe | why do people keep trying to predict the alliance race |
| 05:59.11 | kremonte | what happened |
| 05:59.12 | kremonte | ? |
| 05:59.15 | RedcXe | it will be announced when its announced |
| 05:59.16 | kremonte | about that thread |
| 05:59.21 | RedcXe | we all know its in the game already |
| 05:59.30 | kremonte | hu |
| 05:59.31 | kremonte | huh |
| 05:59.35 | RedcXe | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6203522&p=1&tmp=1#post6203522 |
| 05:59.37 | RedcXe | oh god no |
| 06:00.00 | RedcXe | FFXI on PS2 = "hey guys how do i voke" |
| 06:00.17 | RedcXe | "HELP ME IM DIEING" |
| 06:00.23 | RedcXe | "wtf i dont get it what do i do" |
| 06:00.47 | kremonte | yiou know |
| 06:00.51 | kremonte | FFXI came out on PS2 first |
| 06:00.54 | kremonte | (JP) |
| 06:00.55 | RedcXe | in japan |
| 06:00.56 | RedcXe | yes |
| 06:01.02 | RedcXe | but japanese are psycholeet |
| 06:01.18 | Guillotine | haha. my gf's response when I tell her we can now spoof stuff in front of links too: "Oh boy! another way to annoy blizz :D |
| 06:01.29 | kremonte | tell your girlfriend i said hi ^^ |
| 06:03.10 | RedcXe | wtf |
| 06:03.14 | RedcXe | it wont let me post on the forum |
| 06:03.56 | RedcXe | hm |
| 06:03.59 | RedcXe | i can log into wow fine |
| 06:04.00 | RedcXe | w/e |
| 06:04.03 | futrtrubl | "Login failure"? |
| 06:04.35 | futrtrubl | it may be your "time of the month" the day your subscription renews |
| 06:04.57 | RedcXe | yea giving me login faliure |
| 06:05.20 | futrtrubl | go to your account page and see if tyour account is being renewed today |
| 06:05.50 | RedcXe | nope |
| 06:05.54 | RedcXe | was billed on friday |
| 06:06.07 | Guillotine | haha. taken out of context, what futrtrubl said is kind of wierd |
| 06:06.08 | Guillotine | futrtrublit may be your "time of the month" |
| 06:06.21 | RedcXe | yea |
| 06:06.21 | futrtrubl | as I meant it ;'] |
| 06:06.35 | RedcXe | Next Bill Date: December 10, 2005 4:06 AM PST |
| 06:06.58 | RedcXe | Active |
| 06:06.58 | RedcXe | This account is active and can be used for playing. |
| 06:07.18 | futrtrubl | uit'll still be active, but the forums don't work when renewing |
| 06:07.34 | futrtrubl | it is teh suhc |
| 06:08.28 | RedcXe | i was gonna flame the thread where the person doesnt know what kharazan is |
| 06:09.28 | Guillotine | ok, now RedcXe, post the credit card number it says. that could be the problem |
| 06:09.38 | Guillotine | :) |
| 06:09.39 | kremonte | lol |
| 06:09.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ktron (n=Khamer@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 06:09.44 | kremonte | hes not THAT dumb |
| 06:09.45 | RedcXe | i cant its starred out :( |
| 06:09.52 | Guillotine | dang. lol |
| 06:10.09 | Guillotine | did you know if you type your password in IRC, it stars it out? *******. see? |
| 06:10.24 | RedcXe | i know cthon98 |
| 06:10.30 | RedcXe | and therefore |
| 06:10.30 | RedcXe | die |
| 06:10.34 | norganna | Really - let me try ****** |
| 06:10.40 | Gryphon | ******* |
| 06:10.41 | Guillotine | see. it works |
| 06:10.44 | Gryphon | hmm your right |
| 06:10.48 | norganna | geez - that's smart! |
| 06:10.53 | RedcXe | lol |
| 06:10.54 | futrtrubl | cool, ******* |
| 06:11.03 | RedcXe | Guillotine did you get that from bash? |
| 06:11.10 | kremonte | ******** |
| 06:11.11 | kremonte | omg kewl |
| 06:11.12 | Guillotine | maybe >.> <.< |
| 06:11.17 | RedcXe | exactly |
| 06:11.19 | RedcXe | i know cthon |
| 06:11.21 | RedcXe | go away |
| 06:11.22 | RedcXe | B) |
| 06:11.22 | kremonte | lol RedcXe, i said the same thing to him |
| 06:11.23 | kremonte | =O |
| 06:11.27 | RedcXe | ? |
| 06:11.30 | kremonte | he linked it like 5 times in one day |
| 06:11.35 | kremonte | (that you know cthon) |
| 06:11.36 | futrtrubl | let me try another ilickbabies |
| 06:11.39 | kremonte | (because i know of cthon) |
| 06:11.43 | futrtrubl | huh, that one showed for me |
| 06:11.45 | RedcXe | what? |
| 06:11.53 | kremonte | nevermind X) |
| 06:12.19 | RedcXe | i havent talked to him tho :( |
| 06:12.27 | RedcXe | but the funny thing is he didnt do it on irc |
| 06:12.30 | RedcXe | he did it in RS |
| 06:12.39 | RedcXe | but then submitted it to bash |
| 06:12.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ktron (i=Ktron@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 06:13.13 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Ktron (i=Ktron@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 06:13.23 | kremonte | lol |
| 06:13.37 | RedcXe | and then he died and never came back to #com |
| 06:14.03 | RedcXe | http://www.cheap-image-hosting.com/picture_hosting/web_pages/tsorealty/200.JPG lol look at this guys bar XD |
| 06:14.21 | kremonte | omg |
| 06:14.24 | kremonte | moonkin /cry |
| 06:14.31 | RedcXe | yea |
| 06:14.33 | RedcXe | the bar is funny |
| 06:14.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ktron (n=Khamer@student2a-64.unh.edu) |
| 06:14.37 | RedcXe | OOMKIN WOOTWOOT |
| 06:14.41 | kremonte | haha |
| 06:14.45 | kremonte | CLEVER |
| 06:14.56 | RedcXe | YEA AND I DIDNT EVEN THINK OF IT |
| 06:15.12 | kremonte | .... |
| 06:15.18 | kremonte | he has toep and zhc |
| 06:15.23 | RedcXe | lol wtf |
| 06:15.43 | RedcXe | wow thats conciderably sad for a guild that would let him loot that |
| 06:15.57 | kremonte | well he may be a DKP whore |
| 06:16.07 | kremonte | what my guild does is if you arent a main-reciever of an item |
| 06:16.13 | kremonte | you need the DKP of that item above whomever wants it |
| 06:16.31 | kremonte | so if toep is 120dkp, and i have 80, for a druid to get it he'd need 200+ |
| 06:16.50 | kremonte | ZHC is considerably good for healers tho |
| 06:16.54 | RedcXe | wow |
| 06:16.58 | RedcXe | he has 2 rings of spell power |
| 06:16.58 | RedcXe | http://thottbot.com/?profile=Stian.Destromath |
| 06:17.06 | RedcXe | thats pretty sad |
| 06:17.15 | RedcXe | all his gear is + spell damage |
| 06:17.19 | RedcXe | mage wannabe? |
| 06:17.27 | kremonte | mages cant heal |
| 06:17.28 | kremonte | =O |
| 06:17.33 | kremonte | less people have arcane resist too |
| 06:17.39 | RedcXe | I MOONFIRE YOU FOR 400 DAMAGE PEWPEW |
| 06:17.48 | kremonte | moonfire = instant without a cd :O |
| 06:17.57 | RedcXe | yea but the damage is pretty bad |
| 06:17.59 | RedcXe | but wow |
| 06:18.01 | RedcXe | check out his gear |
| 06:18.05 | kremonte | it has a DoT |
| 06:18.09 | kremonte | moonfire -> starfire |
| 06:18.24 | pagefault | wow mods are working fast tonight |
| 06:18.25 | RedcXe | moonfire dot starts over if you cast it again |
| 06:18.34 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cair|sleep (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 06:18.37 | kremonte | i know RedcXe |
| 06:18.38 | RedcXe | it doesnt stack |
| 06:18.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cair|sleep (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 06:18.43 | kremonte | i never said he spammed it..you did |
| 06:18.43 | Ktron | the character in the link has +398 to spell power w/o the trinkets on by my math |
| 06:18.51 | kremonte | ._. |
| 06:18.58 | kremonte | i have 240 on my warlock, with no trinkets |
| 06:19.13 | kremonte | got band of dark dominion today <3 |
| 06:19.15 | RedcXe | kremonte |
| 06:19.17 | RedcXe | if you were a druid |
| 06:19.18 | kremonte | 2 dropped, one was fucking disenchanted |
| 06:19.32 | RedcXe | with 1 instant cast spell |
| 06:19.37 | RedcXe | would you spam it? |
| 06:19.41 | kremonte | nope |
| 06:19.44 | kremonte | starfire > moonfire |
| 06:19.45 | RedcXe | k |
| 06:19.55 | RedcXe | yea in pvp you have enough time to cast starfire |
| 06:19.57 | kremonte | moonfire -> starfire -> moonfire -> starfire -> shift out, heal & root |
| 06:19.59 | kremonte | yeah you do |
| 06:20.04 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:20.08 | Depherios | depends on the situation |
| 06:20.14 | kremonte | in AB you would |
| 06:20.19 | Depherios | personally I prefer saving my mana for shift/heal |
| 06:20.20 | kremonte | pvp isnt always 1v1, heh |
| 06:20.36 | kremonte | there are good moonkin like there are good shadowpriests |
| 06:20.38 | RedcXe | personally as a druid id stay feral and be a druid wannabe while eating mages |
| 06:20.48 | kremonte | personally ;p |
| 06:20.48 | RedcXe | er |
| 06:20.49 | RedcXe | rogue |
| 06:20.54 | RedcXe | yea but |
| 06:20.57 | RedcXe | id kill him for that gear |
| 06:21.00 | kremonte | but while their DPS lacks |
| 06:21.03 | kremonte | they can also heal T_T |
| 06:21.09 | RedcXe | and run XD |
| 06:21.18 | Depherios | run heal, and damage soak |
| 06:21.18 | kremonte | mages and rogues can run, rofl |
| 06:21.20 | Depherios | yay bear form |
| 06:21.26 | RedcXe | mages cant run |
| 06:21.27 | RedcXe | l2p |
| 06:21.30 | kremonte | lol |
| 06:21.30 | kremonte | ok |
| 06:21.42 | RedcXe | well |
| 06:21.44 | kremonte | forgot that blink and the entire frost tree didnt exist ><; sorry |
| 06:21.48 | RedcXe | we can attempt to run |
| 06:21.50 | Depherios | kik |
| 06:21.51 | RedcXe | but any class can catch us |
| 06:21.53 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:22.03 | kremonte | i sure can, lemme fear y- out of range |
| 06:22.12 | Depherios | lol just what I was thinking XD |
| 06:22.25 | kremonte | [redcxe] wah wah death coil wah wah |
| 06:22.28 | Depherios | .... priests can't catch you, warlocks can't catch you, hunters won't be able to catch you in 1.9 |
| 06:22.39 | kremonte | why not huh? |
| 06:22.39 | RedcXe | imp conc shot |
| 06:22.42 | kremonte | wingclip & conc shot |
| 06:22.47 | kremonte | you cant make imp conc shot proc, thank you |
| 06:22.57 | kremonte | oh sweet thats how this alias works |
| 06:22.57 | RedcXe | you mean you cant not make it proc |
| 06:22.58 | RedcXe | :P |
| 06:22.59 | kremonte | thank you thank you thank you |
| 06:23.01 | kremonte | nice |
| 06:23.06 | RedcXe | you know |
| 06:23.13 | kremonte | if i type t-y it says thank you |
| 06:23.17 | RedcXe | this game would be 2048349 times cooler if you could cast while running |
| 06:23.26 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:23.27 | kremonte | lol, trans |
| 06:23.30 | RedcXe | and it would make more sense |
| 06:23.33 | kremonte | this game would be so much more favorable to casters |
| 06:23.42 | RedcXe | at least it would balance |
| 06:23.48 | kremonte | no, overpowered |
| 06:23.49 | kremonte | lol |
| 06:23.53 | RedcXe | not really |
| 06:23.54 | pagefault | when the hell will gilenas open |
| 06:23.59 | RedcXe | concidering every class has a chance to catch you |
| 06:24.00 | kremonte | let me cast chain lightning as i chest you |
| 06:24.03 | kremonte | chase* |
| 06:24.06 | RedcXe | FROST SHOCK |
| 06:24.14 | RedcXe | ghost wolf |
| 06:24.18 | kremonte | uh ok? |
| 06:24.24 | kremonte | i'm saying it's impossible to get out of LOS now |
| 06:24.26 | pagefault | shammies get a totem that reduces threat by 20% and the n00bs are already whining |
| 06:24.31 | pagefault | like that is going to give them a huge advantage in pvp |
| 06:24.41 | kremonte | it helps in pve, heh |
| 06:24.48 | kremonte | pallies are the least advantegous in PVP |
| 06:24.58 | kremonte | their only defense is knowing that you will waste 15 minutes of your time if you fight one |
| 06:25.00 | pagefault | yes but they whine like it has some unbalanced effect on them |
| 06:25.14 | kergoth | i cant wait to try that new totem in ZG |
| 06:25.16 | kremonte | well, for example, my guild had a lot of trouble starting out on razorgore |
| 06:25.23 | kremonte | earthbind makes it ezmode =/ |
| 06:25.49 | pagefault | yeah that will stack nice with master demonolgist imp for me |
| 06:26.12 | kremonte | you know |
| 06:26.17 | kremonte | nemesis set + salvation + imp MD |
| 06:26.22 | kremonte | = -70% threat on your SB's |
| 06:26.32 | pagefault | plus that totem |
| 06:26.36 | pagefault | oh alliance |
| 06:26.36 | pagefault | nm |
| 06:26.39 | kremonte | you cant have BoS and totem, lol |
| 06:26.50 | kremonte | but you can replace them ya |
| 06:28.35 | pagefault | tauren paladin |
| 06:28.43 | kremonte | facepalm |
| 06:28.50 | pagefault | I am sure bliz has one |
| 06:28.58 | pagefault | they can add and remove class abilities to anything |
| 06:29.02 | pagefault | the way the have it designed |
| 06:29.18 | kremonte | orz i need to always quest in SW places on my druid |
| 06:29.24 | kremonte | i want a palomino |
| 06:29.42 | RedcXe | dan |
| 06:29.42 | pagefault | taurens get screwed for mounts |
| 06:29.47 | pagefault | it's like kodo or walk |
| 06:29.50 | kremonte | lol |
| 06:29.52 | kremonte | yes alex? |
| 06:29.56 | RedcXe | casting while moving wouldnt overpower casters |
| 06:30.02 | kremonte | yeah, it would |
| 06:30.04 | RedcXe | it would just let us use our main abilities in pvp |
| 06:30.08 | kremonte | lol. |
| 06:30.11 | kremonte | and you're a mage |
| 06:30.13 | RedcXe | castable spells |
| 06:30.14 | pagefault | I say they should give them a huge go kart |
| 06:30.18 | pagefault | I would like to see thatr |
| 06:30.24 | kremonte | a mage saying you need to cast while moving bwahahaha |
| 06:30.28 | RedcXe | so |
| 06:30.35 | kremonte | you have the most instant casts in the game |
| 06:30.36 | RedcXe | you can use shadowbolt |
| 06:30.42 | RedcXe | erm |
| 06:30.44 | kremonte | i have NO instant casts |
| 06:30.44 | RedcXe | 2? |
| 06:30.56 | kremonte | FN CoC fireblast IAE |
| 06:30.56 | RedcXe | 2 is the most lol |
| 06:31.02 | pagefault | yeah instant cast with reagent |
| 06:31.04 | pagefault | kthx |
| 06:31.07 | RedcXe | fn doesnt count as an instant |
| 06:31.12 | RedcXe | iae is a talent |
| 06:31.16 | kremonte | oh yeah, its a 30 second cast time |
| 06:31.22 | kremonte | the majority of 60 mages have IAE |
| 06:31.30 | RedcXe | if FN did 400 damage we could count it as an instant |
| 06:31.38 | pagefault | deathcoil was cooler when you didn't even have to be facing the guy to cast it |
| 06:31.38 | kremonte | its an aoe root |
| 06:31.40 | pagefault | they nerfed it |
| 06:31.40 | kremonte | thats instant cast |
| 06:31.52 | kremonte | and fireblast isnt instant because you have to face target right? *lol* |
| 06:31.58 | RedcXe | so if youre saying you dont have instant casts |
| 06:32.06 | RedcXe | wouldnt you want to cast while moving? |
| 06:32.14 | kremonte | nope. it's overpowered game mechanic |
| 06:32.17 | RedcXe | k |
| 06:32.21 | kremonte | you know one of the best ways to counter a caster is LOS? |
| 06:32.22 | pagefault | I would like to eat while moving |
| 06:32.24 | pagefault | I do that all the time |
| 06:32.31 | kremonte | if you're chasing me while casting pyroblast, i am SCREWED |
| 06:32.36 | futrtrubl | what is a good range of framelevels I should let my users be able to set my frames to? |
| 06:32.53 | kremonte | background artwork iz al u nead man |
| 06:32.57 | Ktron | yeah, they're be no reason to melee if you know, people didn't have to hold still |
| 06:33.02 | Ktron | heh |
| 06:33.17 | pagefault | mages do need a buff though |
| 06:33.18 | RedcXe | too bad the two melee classes can get to you so easy its not even a challenge |
| 06:33.18 | pagefault | they are busted |
| 06:33.19 | kremonte | i do agree that strafing thru people is lame |
| 06:33.19 | Ktron | people would chase you down with wands and pwn you |
| 06:33.24 | Depherios | skip casting and moving, I'd just like to be able to backup faster XD |
| 06:33.25 | kremonte | RedcXe - you can get away |
| 06:33.31 | RedcXe | if you say blink die |
| 06:33.33 | kremonte | you can get away better than any class, save druid maybe |
| 06:33.33 | Ktron | RedcXe: especially if you're a mage |
| 06:33.40 | kremonte | CoC, FN |
| 06:33.43 | pagefault | mages need invis back |
| 06:33.43 | Ktron | you have blink, FN, CoC... |
| 06:33.45 | RedcXe | intercept |
| 06:33.46 | pagefault | so my buff is useful |
| 06:33.46 | RedcXe | bye |
| 06:33.54 | Depherios | ... I have.... fear |
| 06:33.55 | kremonte | intercept doesnt remove CoC or FN |
| 06:33.56 | kremonte | =) |
| 06:34.01 | RedcXe | ok? |
| 06:34.01 | Depherios | oh... and... fear |
| 06:34.02 | kremonte | fear is the most counterable CC in the game |
| 06:34.02 | Ktron | not too mention talents |
| 06:34.06 | Depherios | ...and fear |
| 06:34.11 | Depherios | did I mention the fear? |
| 06:34.16 | kremonte | by the way, for mentioning intercept when i said blink, die |
| 06:34.28 | kremonte | blink after intercept |
| 06:34.31 | Depherios | Psychic Scream FTL :P |
| 06:34.36 | Ktron | ~get along |
| 06:34.38 | RedcXe | i already blinked after charge |
| 06:34.40 | kremonte | ~no |
| 06:34.42 | purl | YES |
| 06:34.44 | RedcXe | ~lol |
| 06:34.46 | purl | i guess lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 06:34.46 | kremonte | then youre dumb :D |
| 06:34.47 | pagefault | the only good fear is the deathcoil one when it's not resisted |
| 06:34.50 | pagefault | since you can't do squat against it |
| 06:34.51 | RedcXe | ok |
| 06:34.52 | RedcXe | play a mage |
| 06:34.56 | kremonte | i do |
| 06:34.57 | kremonte | ^^ |
| 06:34.58 | kremonte | turn, CoC |
| 06:35.01 | RedcXe | wow lvl 26 gj |
| 06:35.01 | kremonte | run back so they intercept |
| 06:35.05 | RedcXe | how much pvp do you get |
| 06:35.07 | kremonte | zomg hamstring wah wah escape artist |
| 06:35.12 | kremonte | ok so |
| 06:35.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Eraphine|Lab (n=Eraphine@brenna.human.cornell.edu) |
| 06:35.14 | RedcXe | KAY |
| 06:35.18 | RedcXe | no more arguing |
| 06:35.22 | Ktron | I play a mage too |
| 06:35.25 | RedcXe | kremonte has never been two shot |
| 06:35.26 | kremonte | CoC escape artist if youre hamstringed, let them intercept, FN, blink |
| 06:35.29 | kremonte | lol? |
| 06:35.31 | pagefault | mages are busted |
| 06:35.37 | kremonte | i have been 2 shotted by shaman ffs |
| 06:35.42 | kremonte | and by rogues, and by warriors |
| 06:35.42 | RedcXe | then you suck |
| 06:35.50 | kremonte | then you do too ^^ |
| 06:35.56 | Ktron | I think ever class can at least cope at PvP |
| 06:36.00 | RedcXe | not concidering i have such low hp and you dont |
| 06:36.02 | kremonte | same, Ktron |
| 06:36.13 | kremonte | not concidering you have more CC and snares and roots than i do |
| 06:36.13 | Ktron | the only class with any upper hand I'm going with hunter |
| 06:36.22 | futrtrubl | hmmm, time for me to make a Mage |
| 06:36.22 | pagefault | I think every class can wtfown someone once and a while if the conditions are right |
| 06:36.27 | kremonte | meh, i'd say warrior and/or rogue and/or shaman |
| 06:36.42 | RedcXe | id say the classes that are balanced right now are warriors rogues shaman druids and hunters |
| 06:36.47 | RedcXe | everyone else needs buffs |
| 06:36.51 | Ktron | Hunters take rogues, and hunters take all the casters |
| 06:36.55 | Ktron | so hunters over rogues |
| 06:36.55 | Depherios | all I want for priests in 1.10 |
| 06:36.57 | pagefault | hunters will be balanced after 1.9 |
| 06:36.59 | kremonte | i can cope over a hunter |
| 06:37.00 | Depherios | is another CC ability |
| 06:37.00 | pagefault | when they get their nerf |
| 06:37.03 | Depherios | ... that's it |
| 06:37.05 | RedcXe | hunters need to be able to pwn rogues |
| 06:37.08 | kremonte | i have a chance against a hunter |
| 06:37.10 | RedcXe | they didnt get flare for fun |
| 06:37.14 | kremonte | RedcXe.. they can own them |
| 06:37.18 | RedcXe | so? |
| 06:37.27 | kremonte | so... why wdid you say that lol |
| 06:37.41 | kergoth | wow, that was amazing. an alliance paladin who isnt a complete dick to all horde |
| 06:37.53 | Ktron | hunters I think are probably the best at taking down casters and rogues, shamans/paladins/warriors I'd expect to take down hunters |
| 06:37.53 | RedcXe | what? |
| 06:37.55 | kremonte | i thought all pallies and shaman were dicks =O |
| 06:38.03 | kergoth | we were killing stuff in teh same area, and he noticed i was skinning the guys i kill, and pointed out a body of a guy he killed so i could skin it |
| 06:38.05 | kremonte | i have a chance against a hunter, almost none against a rogue |
| 06:38.07 | pagefault | shamen are awesome |
| 06:38.07 | kergoth | boggles the mind |
| 06:38.10 | pagefault | grace of air for the win |
| 06:38.12 | kremonte | RedcXe - [ 01:37 ] [RedcXe] hunters need to be able to pwn rogues |
| 06:38.17 | RedcXe | ? |
| 06:38.21 | RedcXe | so |
| 06:38.27 | pagefault | hunters can own anything |
| 06:38.28 | kremonte | [ 01:37 ] [kremonte] RedcXe.. they can own them |
| 06:38.28 | kremonte | [ 01:37 ] [RedcXe] so? |
| 06:38.28 | pagefault | they just sick pet |
| 06:38.30 | pagefault | and use autoshot |
| 06:38.41 | pagefault | zero skill |
| 06:38.43 | kergoth | i love my shaman. so versatile, though not great at any one thing |
| 06:38.45 | RedcXe | no hes saying like hutners shouldnt be able to |
| 06:38.48 | RedcXe | and im saying they should |
| 06:38.49 | Ktron | it's really hard to run from hunters too |
| 06:39.04 | kremonte | against a hunter |
| 06:39.12 | RedcXe | please dont give mages invisibility |
| 06:39.13 | RedcXe | ^_^ |
| 06:39.14 | kremonte | fear pet, HoT hunter, DoT |
| 06:39.21 | pagefault | fear pet |
| 06:39.21 | pagefault | yeah right |
| 06:39.27 | pagefault | with what |
| 06:39.28 | kremonte | not all hunters are BM |
| 06:39.33 | Cair|sleep | Couple things I'd like to point out here: a) Debate is good, arguing for the sake of arguing is annoying and liable to annoy me to the point of at the very least muting you, if not outright kicking you; b) This channel is intended primarily as a UI channel, not a "my class wtfpwns you", and seeing mod authors asking for an opinion on their mod and get completely ignored is less than stellar; and c) stop wi |
| 06:39.35 | kremonte | in fact, most i see are not |
| 06:39.41 | Ktron | even so krem, hunters can massacre your casting times |
| 06:39.41 | pagefault | no seriously when you have a cat scratching your face off |
| 06:39.46 | Cair|sleep | speak in english |
| 06:39.48 | pagefault | it takes like 5 seconds to cast a 1.5 second spell |
| 06:39.53 | RedcXe | give us damage good gear and fix blink/CoC/cold snap |
| 06:39.54 | RedcXe | ty |
| 06:39.58 | kremonte | Ktron - yar, but i last longer than against a rogue |
| 06:39.59 | Ktron | pagefault: /agree |
| 06:40.10 | kergoth | Cair|sleep: "and c) stop w" |
| 06:40.12 | kergoth | Cair|sleep: cut off |
| 06:40.18 | pagefault | by the time you do manage to fear the pet |
| 06:40.18 | Ktron | kremonte: rogues are caster killers, but I don't think they can do much more |
| 06:40.20 | pagefault | you already have no health |
| 06:40.20 | Cair|sleep | and c) stop with the omgwtfpwnbbql2pcrap |
| 06:40.25 | Ktron | and FN is the anti-rogue spell |
| 06:40.26 | pagefault | and the hunter finishes by shooting you |
| 06:40.27 | Depherios | lol... you can guess the rest |
| 06:40.30 | kremonte | they can sap you in BB! |
| 06:40.57 | Cair|sleep | *cranky Cair goes to sleep* |
| 06:40.59 | RedcXe | too bad a rogue can vanish out of FN |
| 06:41.05 | RedcXe | and an ambush gets me to 1/4th hp |
| 06:41.16 | RedcXe | :X |
| 06:41.17 | kremonte | mages in my guild have 4k+ hp ^^ |
| 06:41.22 | Ktron | heh, rogues have no hope against the mail wearers though |
| 06:41.22 | RedcXe | arcanist k |
| 06:41.22 | pagefault | there will always be some unbalanced class |
| 06:41.25 | kremonte | your fire spells have a DoT, heh |
| 06:41.32 | RedcXe | fire spells |
| 06:41.33 | RedcXe | k |
| 06:41.33 | kremonte | tier1 is very easy to get if you are in a raiding guild |
| 06:41.36 | RedcXe | im ice spec |
| 06:41.37 | RedcXe | k |
| 06:41.39 | Ktron | hunters I think can even have a reasonable chance against shamans and paladins |
| 06:41.45 | kremonte | ice spec doesnt make you forget fireball... |
| 06:41.47 | RedcXe | my guild runs ZG |
| 06:41.50 | Ktron | I think the only class that can reliably down hunters are warriors |
| 06:41.50 | RedcXe | epics dont drop there |
| 06:41.57 | RedcXe | bye |
| 06:41.59 | kremonte | ... |
| 06:42.03 | kremonte | lol |
| 06:42.07 | kergoth | good riddance |
| 06:42.13 | kremonte | now he's going to bitch to me on AIM -_-' |
| 06:42.21 | pagefault | what the hell was that about |
| 06:42.31 | Ktron | that's what /ignore is for |
| 06:42.37 | kremonte | he loved mage until he read the forums |
| 06:42.40 | Ktron | just to settle down |
| 06:42.43 | kremonte | then got forumitus and bitched about everything |
| 06:42.53 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:43.08 | Ktron | mage is my third favorite class |
| 06:43.09 | Depherios | forumitis |
| 06:43.13 | Ktron | its a lot of fun imo |
| 06:43.17 | kremonte | it's a disease |
| 06:43.18 | Depherios | lol, yeah, that's why I don't go to class forums very often anymore XD |
| 06:43.26 | kremonte | i dont read them anymore yep |
| 06:43.29 | kremonte | i used to do it =X |
| 06:43.39 | Ktron | never did the class forum thing |
| 06:43.46 | kremonte | i was like level 40 and would whine about WotF daily |
| 06:43.53 | kremonte | just cause people did on the forums |
| 06:43.59 | Depherios | I go to class forums for classes I don't play sometimes when I get bored |
| 06:44.00 | pagefault | nerf shadowmeld |
| 06:44.01 | kremonte | and i whined about shards, and about ___ and ___ and ___ |
| 06:44.09 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:44.10 | kremonte | Depherios - mage and rogue forums made me lol |
| 06:44.22 | Depherios | The Priest Forums are okay |
| 06:44.36 | kremonte | blizzard forgot about priests, but they are healers! cmon! |
| 06:44.40 | Depherios | since everything they say is true, they're fun until endgame XD |
| 06:44.50 | pagefault | well |
| 06:44.55 | kergoth | i wouldnt touch the blizzard forums with a 10 foot pole |
| 06:44.55 | Ktron | heh, the only thing I think I ever really whined about much was the early days of WSG, fighting Tauren Shamans, and realizing that War Stomp was fricken incredible at keeping them moving |
| 06:44.57 | kergoth | waste of time |
| 06:45.08 | pagefault | the warlock forums are way better now that we don't have a clueless rep |
| 06:45.13 | kremonte | kergoth - i learned that at level 50 ;) |
| 06:45.16 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:45.20 | Ktron | I like to look through the blizz UI forum to see what's going on |
| 06:45.22 | kergoth | i love war stomping flag carriers in wsg |
| 06:45.24 | Depherios | I check forums after a buff/nerf to see what they say |
| 06:45.25 | kergoth | it amuses me |
| 06:45.26 | Depherios | that's it |
| 06:45.40 | pagefault | war stomp is so l33t |
| 06:45.43 | Guillotine | g2g guys. ttyl |
| 06:45.45 | Ktron | heh, when I was alliance, I was not amused |
| 06:45.47 | Depherios | and I go bump posts to buff troll racials XD |
| 06:45.49 | kremonte | later Guillotine :) |
| 06:45.52 | Ktron | night Guillotine |
| 06:46.41 | Ktron | heh, I came to the conclusion that if war stomp was going to be a 1s cast (I htink?), so should escape artist |
| 06:47.11 | Ktron | either that, or Taurens shouldn't be allowed in WSG |
| 06:47.17 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:47.18 | Ktron | heh, they're too big to fit or something :) |
| 06:47.20 | pagefault | I personally feel wotf needs a 30 sec cool down and last for 20 seconds |
| 06:47.31 | kremonte | i lol'ed, pagefault |
| 06:47.50 | kremonte | Ktron -warstomp .5, escape artist 1.5 |
| 06:48.13 | pagefault | I would give up wotf if ne's give up shadowmeld |
| 06:48.24 | Depherios | I just want troll racials to not suck XD I <3 trolls |
| 06:48.26 | Ktron | heh, I think that the troll skill shouldn't need to be crited for, and increase me attack speed by 400% for 8 minutes |
| 06:48.37 | Depherios | rofl |
| 06:48.47 | Ktron | and increase damage to me by 5% |
| 06:49.03 | Depherios | it is the only ability with double requirements :P -- crit AND debuff, and now crit AND mana |
| 06:49.08 | Depherios | well... and soon |
| 06:49.19 | Ktron | kremonte: yeah, I think EA should be a .5 sec cast then |
| 06:49.20 | pagefault | don't worry |
| 06:49.23 | pagefault | if trolls had warlocks |
| 06:49.24 | kergoth | i love berserk on my troll rogue |
| 06:49.26 | Depherios | I hope they make it help with heals too... the +damage will be great for PvP, but yeah... not in PvE |
| 06:49.27 | pagefault | it would require a shard too |
| 06:50.09 | kremonte | warlock is not bad at all, i really dont see what is HORRID about shards |
| 06:50.19 | Depherios | ditto |
| 06:50.21 | Ktron | here's an idea- trolls just get like a 2% bonus to all of their speeds-- movement, attack, casting-- the works |
| 06:50.25 | pagefault | I just hate collecting them |
| 06:50.28 | pagefault | thats is my only gripe |
| 06:50.31 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:50.35 | pagefault | it is a pain in the ass to fly 15 minutes from org to get shards |
| 06:50.36 | Depherios | yeah, it's a pain, specially in PvP |
| 06:50.39 | pagefault | then fly back again |
| 06:50.46 | Depherios | lol, dueling junkie |
| 06:50.47 | pagefault | when I am elvel 70 |
| 06:50.55 | pagefault | I will have to fly like 20 minutes |
| 06:51.00 | Ktron | yeah, good call pagefault |
| 06:51.01 | kremonte | pagefault - it doesnt take 15 mins to fly to azshara ._. |
| 06:51.24 | pagefault | yes but it takes 10 minutes to ride to where the high level mobs are |
| 06:51.35 | kremonte | all the mobs in azshara are 50+ =X |
| 06:51.45 | pagefault | err |
| 06:51.52 | pagefault | I am pretty sure that is false |
| 06:51.59 | pagefault | because around the horde FP everything is grey to me |
| 06:52.07 | kremonte | they aren't? i remember them all being skull when i first got my mount |
| 06:52.28 | pagefault | I will check next time |
| 06:52.31 | pagefault | this could be useful info |
| 06:52.37 | kergoth | there's a ton of 40-50 mobs in azshara |
| 06:52.40 | kremonte | i thoguht it was like searting gorge |
| 06:52.43 | pagefault | but it still sucks to farm for shards |
| 06:52.44 | kergoth | check thottbot sometime |
| 06:52.45 | kremonte | where like 45-55 |
| 06:52.47 | Ktron|GO | pagefault: you have to move like for 20 seconds tops and you'll hit high enough mobs |
| 06:52.59 | pagefault | ok |
| 06:53.03 | pagefault | I will do that from now on |
| 06:53.11 | pagefault | but it still doesn't help the fact I have to farm to use stuff |
| 06:53.25 | kremonte | lol, i know its a pain in the ass |
| 06:53.30 | kremonte | but its not the worst thing in the world |
| 06:53.37 | pagefault | I should be able to buy shards |
| 06:53.40 | pagefault | from a reagent vendor |
| 06:53.41 | pagefault | like wtf |
| 06:53.59 | pagefault | maybe because they don't stack vendors won't take them? |
| 06:54.00 | pagefault | lol |
| 06:54.20 | pagefault | "sorry we don't have room in our storeroom for shards because they don't stack" |
| 06:54.29 | kergoth | Hop by your favorite soul shard vendor, where they drain the souls out of mobs and slaves wholesale, and pass on the profit to you! |
| 06:54.30 | norganna | or, buy them off the ah |
| 06:54.51 | pagefault | it's bad enough they are soulbound |
| 06:54.54 | pagefault | so you can't bum them off other warlocks |
| 06:54.56 | kergoth | mmmmm, white cheddar cheez-its are so good |
| 06:55.04 | kremonte | well think about it |
| 06:55.07 | kremonte | make a level 10 warlock |
| 06:55.11 | kremonte | get some shards, mail them |
| 06:55.14 | norganna | go farm a heap of shards, pop em on the AH and then sell them to all the lazy bums who don't want to farm em |
| 06:55.35 | kremonte | i still like my conjure idea >< |
| 06:55.35 | pagefault | so? |
| 06:55.36 | norganna | it's how everything else works |
| 06:55.37 | pagefault | I am still farming them |
| 06:55.43 | pagefault | what difference does it make if I do it at lvl 10 or at 60 |
| 06:55.47 | pagefault | it's still a pain in the ass |
| 06:55.56 | kremonte | the soul of a level 5 pig is not as strong as a boulder monster who can smash you |
| 06:55.57 | kremonte | =O |
| 06:56.28 | pagefault | all I ask is for a trinket or something to that matter |
| 06:56.30 | pagefault | 1 shard an hour |
| 06:56.32 | pagefault | and I would shut up |
| 06:56.56 | pagefault | as long as I get my first demon out in BG |
| 06:56.58 | kremonte | i guess the experiences are different when you raid a lot |
| 06:56.58 | pagefault | I don't care anymore |
| 06:57.08 | kremonte | i use about 100 shards every 1/2 of MC |
| 06:57.19 | pagefault | yeah but you can get them off anything in MC |
| 06:57.31 | kremonte | 100 mobs is a lot more than it seems in MC, lol |
| 06:57.54 | pagefault | if you are using shadowburn you get it back on kill |
| 06:57.59 | pagefault | which is what you should be using it for to begin with |
| 06:58.01 | kremonte | not even shadowburn |
| 06:58.06 | kremonte | pet to sac every time i die |
| 06:58.18 | kremonte | HS for tanks/pullers, and some DPS |
| 06:58.22 | pagefault | you wipe that often you need 100 shards? |
| 06:58.31 | kremonte | .. |
| 06:58.43 | pagefault | well why are you saccing your demon so much |
| 06:58.45 | kremonte | for 1 person to die, the entire raid doesnt wipe |
| 06:59.08 | pagefault | I just don't see where this 100 shard figure is coming from |
| 06:59.21 | kremonte | mostly? the healthstones |
| 06:59.49 | kremonte | 4tanks and 3DPS per boss, on average i'd say |
| 06:59.51 | pagefault | no one ever asks me for those |
| 06:59.58 | kremonte | you don't raid ^^; |
| 07:00.02 | pagefault | yes I do |
| 07:00.05 | pagefault | we don't use healthstones |
| 07:00.15 | kremonte | full clears of MC and working on BWL? |
| 07:00.17 | pagefault | I don't even use water |
| 07:00.22 | pagefault | I just tap life and get the priest to heal me |
| 07:00.36 | kremonte | lol, i'd rather drink while the priests are instead of wasting their mana =/ |
| 07:00.46 | kremonte | and it is very unwise for tanks not to use HS' tbh |
| 07:01.10 | pagefault | well in the cases where we wipe in like ZG |
| 07:01.15 | pagefault | a HS would not have saved them |
| 07:01.21 | pagefault | because it was because of some stupid screw up |
| 07:01.28 | kremonte | ZG is different imo |
| 07:01.35 | kremonte | i never really use them in ZG |
| 07:02.26 | pagefault | i'm usually only using them for demons or soul fire |
| 07:02.30 | pagefault | or in pvp shadowburn |
| 07:02.44 | kremonte | well, you were wondering where that figure comes from =X |
| 07:02.52 | pagefault | yeah |
| 07:02.54 | pagefault | I guess so |
| 07:02.55 | kremonte | well maybe 100 per full run |
| 07:03.01 | pagefault | it just looks odd |
| 07:03.08 | kremonte | 4-5 bosses = about 30 shards |
| 07:03.18 | kremonte | then 2 SS' per half, pets, summons |
| 07:03.36 | kremonte | given you dont only summon before the instance, when replacements/sitins come you need to summon them |
| 07:04.36 | pagefault | summoning is great |
| 07:04.39 | pagefault | we have a bunch of locks |
| 07:04.42 | pagefault | so while they are farming for shards |
| 07:04.44 | pagefault | when I run out |
| 07:04.47 | kremonte | lol, my guild has almost no shards |
| 07:04.48 | pagefault | we summon the next lock |
| 07:04.56 | pagefault | and who just came from farming |
| 07:04.59 | pagefault | and it continues |
| 07:05.04 | kremonte | err, locks |
| 07:05.06 | kremonte | we have 5 total |
| 07:06.08 | pagefault | you know what would rule |
| 07:06.12 | pagefault | if soul fire stunned them |
| 07:06.16 | kremonte | talent ;p |
| 07:06.25 | pagefault | yes but that talent sucks |
| 07:06.28 | pagefault | I mean a working stun |
| 07:06.37 | kremonte | 26% is pretty working, lol |
| 07:06.52 | pagefault | thats not high enough to be useful if you ask me |
| 07:06.58 | pagefault | if you are counting on the stun |
| 07:07.08 | kremonte | it's something =/ |
| 07:07.49 | pagefault | people need to raid TM again |
| 07:07.51 | pagefault | like the old days |
| 07:07.56 | kremonte | so many civ's |
| 07:08.31 | kergoth | pagefault: yeah, i miss that :\ |
| 07:08.52 | pagefault | it was perfect |
| 07:08.58 | pagefault | TM and SS are the perfect distance apart |
| 07:09.21 | kergoth | astranaar/splintertree isnt too bad either |
| 07:09.27 | pagefault | it's fun to aggro the flightmaster |
| 07:09.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:09.52 | kergoth | i love it when some idiot does that in gadgetzan |
| 07:09.57 | kergoth | entertaining watching the beatdown |
| 07:15.15 | pagefault | hehe |
| 07:15.19 | pagefault | I hope blue responds to my thread tomorrow |
| 07:16.51 | Ktron|GO | I want to see a dead flightmaster |
| 07:17.03 | Ktron|GO | just to know it can be done |
| 07:18.03 | pagefault | you should have to kill one to get a flying mount |
| 07:18.47 | Ktron|GO | heh... all of the flightmasters would get raided...that would almsot win |
| 07:19.07 | kergoth | pagefault: did you ever do that quest in hillsbrad/alterac where you resurrect the guy in the SS gy? |
| 07:19.11 | Ktron|GO | heh, that's stir up PvP |
| 07:19.35 | pagefault | yeah |
| 07:19.39 | pagefault | hercular's rod |
| 07:19.43 | pagefault | what a great quest name |
| 07:19.48 | kergoth | i loved that, watching him put the smack down on some guards |
| 07:19.56 | kergoth | but for a guy coming back for vengeance, he should be stronger |
| 07:20.09 | pagefault | I wish that was repeatable |
| 07:20.29 | pagefault | it just sucks getting to his grave |
| 07:20.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:20.34 | kergoth | yeah, bit of a pain |
| 07:20.36 | kergoth | ghost wolf helped |
| 07:20.38 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:20.45 | pagefault | that quest should have been elite |
| 07:20.52 | kergoth | yea |
| 07:20.59 | kergoth | more xp |
| 07:21.03 | kergoth | the whole series was a bit of a pain |
| 07:21.05 | kergoth | not just the end |
| 07:22.00 | pagefault | it took me forever to figure out where in the cave it was supposed to be for the flame |
| 07:22.06 | pagefault | it said like on top of the cave |
| 07:22.10 | pagefault | so I was going literally on top of it |
| 07:22.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:22.37 | kergoth | mm, i should have my rogue go farm some ore in the yeti cave, forgot about that, its a good spot |
| 07:25.08 | pagefault | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.08 | pagefault | hahaha |
| 07:26.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kolth (n=amoeba@206.174.74.130) |
| 07:27.44 | pagefault | also I think the winner of the 1 year thing should be Lucron from Durotan |
| 07:27.46 | pagefault | yes |
| 07:27.50 | pagefault | that would be the best choice |
| 07:29.22 | pagefault | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=290&Set=0 |
| 07:29.28 | pagefault | oops |
| 07:29.32 | pagefault | that is just amazing |
| 07:32.46 | pagefault | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=260&Set=0 |
| 07:32.47 | pagefault | hahaha |
| 07:46.10 | pagefault | so yeah I just rolled a gnome rogue |
| 07:46.11 | pagefault | for fun |
| 07:51.02 | Iriel | an anklebiter eh |
| 07:51.23 | pagefault | yep |
| 07:51.27 | pagefault | and on an RP server no less |
| 07:51.30 | pagefault | it's interesting |
| 07:51.51 | pagefault | I tried to make him look as rediculous as possible |
| 07:53.34 | pagefault | the alliance really does have a better atmosphere than the horde |
| 07:53.43 | pagefault | I mean in cities and such it just seems more polished |
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| 07:59.24 | pagefault | this is fun |
| 08:15.46 | End | hmm, disabling ImprovedErrorFrame by calling ImprovedErrorFrame.disable() doesn't seem to entirely work |
| 08:16.01 | End | it looks almost like it isn't saving the old functions properly |
| 08:16.24 | End | but...that isn't it |
| 08:18.23 | End | oh |
| 08:18.39 | End | it replaces ScriptErrors.Show, but doesn't put it back |
| 08:25.36 | Iriel | oops |
| 08:25.44 | Iriel | but ironic - an error in ImprovedErrorFrame |
| 08:26.32 | End | I was trying to do my own hook of the error handler, so I was trying to figure out why IEF was so special and what I forgot |
| 08:27.17 | End | it appears that hooking the message/_ERRORMESSAGE functions doesn't help much... |
| 08:27.58 | End | and the IEF way around it was to make ScriptErrors.Show just call message() |
| 08:28.15 | End | seems...kinda strange and roundabout to me. |
| 08:28.56 | futrtrubl | g'night all |
| 08:31.33 | End | oops, I win, C Stack Overflow |
| 08:31.37 | Ktron | heh |
| 08:32.23 | Ktron | So, there's no way to add frames after an addon is loaded, correct? All possible frames need to be specified in the xml beforehand? |
| 08:33.06 | Iriel | well, mostly yes |
| 08:33.12 | Iriel | you can always add more frames from an on-demand addon |
| 08:33.15 | End | only mo...oh |
| 08:33.18 | Iriel | but you still have to have CODED them beforehand |
| 08:33.49 | Ktron | Iriel: alright |
| 08:33.57 | Ktron | That's more or less what I thought |
| 08:36.23 | Ktron | heh, so, flexbar must have over 120 specified frames, huh? |
| 08:36.32 | Iriel | Yup |
| 08:36.41 | Iriel | Though they'er likely all templated |
| 08:36.49 | Ktron | I'd hope so |
| 08:36.54 | Iriel | mind you, if they're like normal action buttons, each button is many frames |
| 08:36.58 | Cair|sleep | Just for informational purposes, Panic Attacks SUCK and I highly recommend avoiding them |
| 08:37.16 | End | indeed. |
| 08:37.16 | Kalroth | Cair|sleep: a new music group? |
| 08:37.21 | Ktron | Heh, I hope you didn't have to go through one Cair |
| 08:39.00 | Cair|sleep | just ignore that :p |
| 08:39.43 | Cair|sleep | so, I'm with Iriel ... an error in Improved ErrorFrame really is somewhat ironic |
| 08:40.16 | End | just a bit :P |
| 08:40.17 | *** mode/#WoWI-lounge [+o Cair] by ChanServ |
| 08:40.51 | Ktron | yeah... I wonder if an improved error is a bigger or smaller error |
| 08:41.11 | End | I suspect at some point, hooking message/_ERRORMESSAGE started being mostly meaningless, so they started hooking ScriptErrors.Show as a bandaid |
| 08:48.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge krka|work (n=kristofe@66.217.181.62.in-addr.dgcsystems.net) |
| 08:51.21 | Cair | Iriel, didn't you guys determine a few nights ago that this argb, instead of rgba? |
| 08:51.30 | Cair | s/this/it is/ |
| 08:56.39 | pagefault | they should send in orc and undead barkers into IF when the darkmoon faire is in town :) |
| 09:00.06 | futr-sleep | either way Cair, his problem was he thought he was getting all the color info in one var |
| 09:00.12 | Cair | *nod* |
| 09:00.44 | Cair | wasn't trying to take away from what you were saying, just pointing out that (iirc) it's argb ... it was an "in addition" |
| 09:00.54 | Cair | can delete the post if you'd like |
| 09:00.56 | krka|work | i think it's argh! |
| 09:00.57 | Cair | (mine) |
| 09:01.12 | futr-sleep | I s'pose I could verify the argb/rgba and update the wiki, tomorow |
| 09:01.14 | Kalroth | for the record, I agree with Cair! |
| 09:01.20 | futr-sleep | nah, no need to delete |
| 09:01.39 | futr-sleep | suck up ;'] |
| 09:02.04 | Kalroth | :P |
| 09:02.09 | futr-sleep | what's the "h" for krka? |
| 09:03.09 | pagefault | IF is confusing |
| 09:03.10 | pagefault | :P |
| 09:03.26 | pagefault | it's like the UC |
| 09:03.27 | futr-sleep | not sure I know the argh color space, RGB is easy, so is LAB, CMYK almost as easy, but ARGH.... I'm stumped ;'] |
| 09:03.59 | Ktron | ~ramen |
| 09:04.01 | purl | i heard ramen is the midnight food of any good programming geek |
| 09:04.14 | pagefault | mmm msg is good for you |
| 09:04.16 | Ktron | I wonder if it is also a good 4am food |
| 09:04.17 | Kalroth | ARGH? Alpha Red Green Hue? :P |
| 09:04.28 | pagefault | red bull is good at 4 am |
| 09:04.57 | futr-sleep | ahhhh, I forgot about HSL, so it's a hybrid color space ;'] |
| 09:05.14 | pagefault | but speaking of food, I have to cook some now |
| 09:05.18 | pagefault | because you have reminded me I am hungry |
| 09:05.48 | futr-sleep | that's what 24 packs of ramen for $1 is for ;'] |
| 09:05.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge AnduinLothar (n=KarlKFI@adsl-67-125-157-11.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 09:06.16 | pagefault | 24 for 1? |
| 09:06.18 | pagefault | costco? |
| 09:06.25 | futr-sleep | Fry's |
| 09:06.36 | pagefault | ah we don't have that here |
| 09:06.47 | futr-sleep | had a special... wait was it Safeway? one of them |
| 09:07.55 | futr-sleep | anyway, my mind is melting so I will bid you guys goodnight again, for real |
| 09:08.03 | Kalroth | bye! |
| 09:08.08 | Ktron | futr-sleep: nighgt |
| 09:08.09 | Kalroth | (I still agree with Cair) |
| 09:09.41 | futr-sleep | you would |
| 09:09.51 | futr-sleep | but so would I |
| 09:10.10 | Kalroth | gotobed! |
| 09:10.11 | Kalroth | :) |
| 09:10.24 | futr-sleep | trying to get the last word? |
| 09:10.40 | Kalroth | It isn't working though :( |
| 09:10.44 | futr-sleep | nope |
| 09:10.49 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 09:11.02 | futr-sleep | ok AnduinLothar wins |
| 09:11.04 | Kalroth | You're already asleep though, so I win! |
| 09:11.13 | futr-sleep | fine |
| 09:11.13 | AnduinLothar | yup, i win |
| 09:11.19 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 09:11.26 | Kalroth | don't reply then i won't win :( |
| 09:11.28 | AnduinLothar | stop |
| 09:11.34 | Ktron | heh |
| 09:11.35 | futr-sleep | ok, I'll stop |
| 09:11.35 | AnduinLothar | stop it |
| 09:11.47 | futr-sleep | I did stop |
| 09:11.47 | AnduinLothar | now |
| 09:11.58 | Cair | guys |
| 09:11.58 | AnduinLothar | stop |
| 09:12.18 | Kalroth | girls? |
| 09:12.19 | AnduinLothar | . |
| 09:12.25 | Cair | I'm tired, I'm stressed and I'm cranky ... |
| 09:12.27 | krka|work | hermaphrodites? |
| 09:12.35 | Cair | lol krka|work |
| 09:12.39 | AnduinLothar | SPOOON! |
| 09:12.43 | Cair | spork! |
| 09:12.48 | AnduinLothar | there is no spork |
| 09:12.52 | futr-sleep | wow |
| 09:12.57 | Cair | there should be a spork |
| 09:13.02 | AnduinLothar | is a game |
| 09:13.18 | Kalroth | google confirms the spork, Cair |
| 09:13.21 | Kalroth | "Results 1 - 10 of about 1,470,000 for spork" |
| 09:13.25 | Cair | lol |
| 09:13.28 | AnduinLothar | noooooo |
| 09:13.32 | AnduinLothar | google LIES! |
| 09:13.43 | AnduinLothar | those are just IDEAS of the spork |
| 09:13.49 | Kalroth | "A spork is an unusual dining implement that is part spoon, part fork. Basically, it is a spoon with tines on the end, suitable for using as a fork, while still having a spoon portion. It is the utensil of choice for eating cole slaw, potato salad, and many other take-out foods." |
| 09:13.51 | Kalroth | see! |
| 09:13.56 | AnduinLothar | there is no REAL spork |
| 09:13.57 | futr-sleep | ~spork |
| 09:13.58 | purl | hmm... spork is an amazing utensil, because it's totally useless as a fork, and totally useless as a spoon, yet everyone has used one before |
| 09:14.05 | Kalroth | "Please don't confuse sporks with woons, those wooden planks you get with ice cream and "malts" at the ballgame/fairs/etc. Woons are not sporks, and are in fact just a cheap ripoff of a spoon." |
| 09:14.22 | Cair | lol purl |
| 09:15.03 | Kalroth | "According to our records, the United States Navy uses a spork-like utensil that's 6 feet long. Being as it is a spoon with tines cut out, we must consider this a spork." |
| 09:15.27 | futr-sleep | linkage? |
| 09:15.34 | Kalroth | http://www.sonic.net/~ian/Spork/spork.faq.html |
| 09:15.45 | Kalroth | and of course http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spork |
| 09:16.14 | AnduinLothar | "A variation of the spork is the splade, which in addition to the overall spoon shape, and fork tines, has a somewhat sharp edge or blade on one or both sides." |
| 09:16.21 | Kalroth | ow |
| 09:16.37 | Kalroth | a spoon with sharp edges? scary |
| 09:16.42 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 09:17.12 | AnduinLothar | a titanium spork! |
| 09:17.17 | AnduinLothar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Titanium_spork_Horizontal.png |
| 09:17.51 | Cair | okay, AnduinLothar just won that one |
| 09:17.57 | AnduinLothar | http://www.myspace.com/sporkownsyou |
| 09:17.57 | Ktron | for camping... that makes sense |
| 09:18.19 | Kalroth | We used them in the army |
| 09:19.02 | AnduinLothar | About SPORK |
| 09:19.02 | AnduinLothar | Formed in early 2000, spork has become the best band in the entire world. With songs about nothing, and random drunkeness overshadowing bandmembers and fans. Spork owns you, and everyone else. |
| 09:19.14 | pagefault | spork is a brand? |
| 09:19.36 | futr-sleep | band |
| 09:19.39 | AnduinLothar | roflcopter |
| 09:20.16 | pagefault | oh |
| 09:20.26 | pagefault | 4:20 brain is not working at 100% |
| 09:21.17 | Iriel | oops, forgot this was here |
| 09:23.13 | krka|work | what is a knife/fork combo called? knork or fife? |
| 09:24.19 | AnduinLothar | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7092597087689846900 |
| 09:25.18 | Cair | on a completely unrelated note, what is that line from the show rugrats "christmas, chanukah, hanukkah, kwanzaa" blahblah |
| 09:25.26 | Iriel | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/random/sringsgui2.jpg |
| 09:25.30 | Cair | darned if I can remember exactly how it goes |
| 09:25.48 | Cair | looking *very* nice Iriel :) |
| 09:25.54 | Iriel | Do we like or hate that layout? |
| 09:26.03 | Ktron | Iriel: do you have to position them using sliders? |
| 09:26.04 | Iriel | more than the other one, that is |
| 09:26.15 | Ktron | or did you give a 'drag' option too? |
| 09:26.24 | Iriel | Ktron : Currently sliders |
| 09:26.35 | Iriel | Ktron : Drag may come, someday |
| 09:26.58 | Iriel | (Though the layout is generated somewhat algorithmically, so dragging may not be as easy as it sounds) |
| 09:27.09 | AnduinLothar | who said anythign about easy |
| 09:27.16 | AnduinLothar | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3966628180313281816 |
| 09:27.38 | AnduinLothar | i feel like a challenge. what kinda dragging u need? |
| 09:28.13 | Iriel | Let me illustrate the problem.. one sec |
| 09:28.53 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/460580 |
| 09:28.54 | Cair | anyway, think I may finally be able to pass out ... only need to be up in 3 hrs ... night, again |
| 09:29.05 | Iriel | There's that layout, in code |
| 09:29.08 | AnduinLothar | ya, why in the worlk ar eu using x/y loc sliders O.o |
| 09:29.16 | Ktron | Hm, is anyone currently working with/on MoveAnything? |
| 09:29.20 | Ktron | night Cair|sleep |
| 09:29.22 | krka|work | but dragging to set positioning would be easy though? |
| 09:29.28 | Ktron | ~Cair|sleep |
| 09:29.29 | purl | well, cair|sleep is supposed to be sleeping! |
| 09:29.34 | Iriel | Dragging the whole cluster would be relatively easy |
| 09:29.40 | AnduinLothar | dragging is uber easy if u have a parent frame |
| 09:30.08 | Iriel | (The x/y sliders are because they were easy at the time) |
| 09:30.19 | Iriel | since all the rings DO indeed have a single parent |
| 09:30.33 | AnduinLothar | if u say so.. i think remembering them and reasserting them + slider is much harder than a 10 line dragger |
| 09:30.37 | Iriel | it was the idea of being able to pick up a sub-ring and have it move right, that I was saying would be difficult |
| 09:31.15 | AnduinLothar | but then i've been workign with dragging since i started MobileFrames in march.. |
| 09:31.23 | Iriel | which is what the code snippet was to illustrate |
| 09:31.37 | Iriel | I do agree that for the cluster as a whole, dragging will be the way to go. |
| 09:32.04 | Iriel | Which would clean up my config frame too, remove the annoying vertical slider |
| 09:32.17 | AnduinLothar | not sure what that database format means ir |
| 09:32.40 | Iriel | it's a layout specification for the screenshot rings |
| 09:32.41 | krka|work | can't you also make the smaller rings move relative to the bigger? |
| 09:32.59 | AnduinLothar | if the smaller rings have a parent i dont see why not.. |
| 09:33.18 | Iriel | ALL of the rings are owned by the StatRingsUnitCluster |
| 09:33.21 | Iriel | so they'll all move TOGETHER |
| 09:33.29 | AnduinLothar | just make sub parents |
| 09:33.55 | Iriel | ugh, no |
| 09:34.05 | AnduinLothar | not seeing how this is hard.. |
| 09:34.23 | AnduinLothar | work, yes.. but not more than making sliders O.o |
| 09:34.26 | Iriel | I would want it so that if I picked up the <party1> ring... |
| 09:34.33 | Iriel | .. and dragged it somewhere... |
| 09:34.43 | Iriel | .. then <party2> <party3> <party4> would also move |
| 09:34.49 | Iriel | to keep the rules satisfied |
| 09:34.49 | AnduinLothar | not a problem |
| 09:34.53 | krka|work | specify linking rules! |
| 09:34.56 | AnduinLothar | that can be arranged |
| 09:35.16 | AnduinLothar | not sure what u mean by linkign rules tho |
| 09:35.20 | Iriel | krka : If the rules in the file have been specified simply enough, that's actually pretty easy |
| 09:35.58 | Iriel | the problem is, most of my layouts have scaling compensation in them, so the line from the middle of the player ring to the party1 ring actually has 3 segments |
| 09:36.13 | AnduinLothar | isn't each circle a child or a squard containing frame? |
| 09:36.25 | AnduinLothar | of a square* |
| 09:36.32 | Iriel | yes, actually several of them. |
| 09:37.02 | AnduinLothar | so.... what's the problem with makign them mobile? |
| 09:37.21 | Iriel | simply 'mobile' is trivial |
| 09:37.36 | AnduinLothar | lemme put it this way. how do you WANT them to move and how are they specifiable now with sliders? |
| 09:37.42 | Iriel | But I hate hand placement |
| 09:37.50 | AnduinLothar | why? O.o |
| 09:37.57 | Iriel | It's so imprecise |
| 09:38.07 | AnduinLothar | so make them auto lock |
| 09:38.23 | AnduinLothar | anchor to nearest frame on mouseup |
| 09:38.48 | AnduinLothar | round the position by 4 or 10.. |
| 09:38.58 | Iriel | that'd probably be worse |
| 09:39.09 | Iriel | since it'd mess up the angular consistency |
| 09:39.21 | AnduinLothar | or use trig to make it anchor by angles of 5 |
| 09:39.25 | Iriel | it's not grid aligned, it's radially aligned |
| 09:39.33 | AnduinLothar | so snap to radial grid |
| 09:39.36 | Iriel | and it's got scale sensitive positioning |
| 09:39.44 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 09:39.50 | AnduinLothar | center |
| 09:39.54 | Iriel | so as I vary the size of the rings relative to one another, the distances between them adjust properly |
| 09:40.04 | Iriel | the problem isn't doingthe math |
| 09:40.32 | Iriel | it's deciding how I'd be able to build appropriate 'movability' into the specification so that it can be run 'backwards' to change the parameters |
| 09:40.53 | AnduinLothar | rephrase |
| 09:41.30 | Iriel | So, to get from the center of <player> to the center of <partypet2> |
| 09:41.42 | Iriel | You start at the middle of party... |
| 09:41.48 | Iriel | .. you turn by a certain angle .. |
| 09:42.04 | Iriel | you then move out to a position on the party ring (at its scale) |
| 09:42.11 | Iriel | You then leave a certain 'screen scaled' gap |
| 09:42.37 | Iriel | then you move a certain distance on the partypet2 ring (at its scale) to get to its center. |
| 09:43.07 | Iriel | I mean <party2> ring on that previous line |
| 09:43.08 | AnduinLothar | why are you mapping partypet according to the player? |
| 09:43.35 | Iriel | Then to get from <party2> to <partypet2> you move down at <party2>'s scale to the edge of its ring, and then up at <partypet2>'s scale to get to its center. |
| 09:43.37 | AnduinLothar | map partypet according to partymember then map party member to player |
| 09:43.39 | Iriel | it SOUNDS complex |
| 09:44.02 | Iriel | but it's means I can change one line in the layout and all of the pet rings relocate relative to theirparents |
| 09:44.26 | Iriel | I can change one more parameter and all of the rings rotate rather than being vertically aligned |
| 09:44.26 | Iriel | etc |
| 09:44.46 | Iriel | so, when you move rings around, you're actually tweaking parameters.. Some are simple linear distances |
| 09:44.53 | Iriel | others are more complex sets of distances and angles |
| 09:45.14 | AnduinLothar | ok, without seeing code i dont understand half of what ur saying |
| 09:45.27 | Iriel | Well, look at that pastebin |
| 09:45.36 | AnduinLothar | it's just a database with no key |
| 09:45.45 | krka|work | iriel ok, how about if each ring has a "parent" ring to base offset from, using radius and angle, then calculate the angle and radius from the mouse position and snap to "nice" angles / radiuses |
| 09:45.57 | Iriel | It's a piece of code, that builds "StatRingsLayout_Specification" |
| 09:46.03 | Iriel | plain lua, nothing freakish |
| 09:46.20 | Iriel | krka: If the spec for a layout was that simple, it'd be easy to reverse it.. |
| 09:46.30 | Iriel | krka: but I dont want to be limited to ONLY simple specs |
| 09:46.41 | krka|work | hm ok |
| 09:47.10 | AnduinLothar | what does move O mean? |
| 09:47.20 | krka|work | in that case it will probably be impossible to do dragging |
| 09:47.23 | Iriel | O - use origin (parent) scaling |
| 09:47.30 | Iriel | R - use root (screen) scaling |
| 09:47.36 | AnduinLothar | origen being center of player? |
| 09:47.37 | Iriel | S - use self (destination) scaling |
| 09:48.01 | Iriel | for each path, it's from the center of the parent ring, to the center of the 'self' ring (the one being placed) |
| 09:48.36 | Iriel | Actually, here's a much simpler conceptual example. |
| 09:48.40 | AnduinLothar | wow, that syntax is so not intuitive for me.. |
| 09:48.53 | Iriel | If I grabbed <party1> and dragged it around the ring counter-clockwise |
| 09:48.59 | Iriel | Should: |
| 09:49.08 | Iriel | A) all the party rings slide around the ring with it |
| 09:49.16 | Iriel | B) All the party rings slide out to maintain constant spacing |
| 09:49.30 | AnduinLothar | "slide out" ? |
| 09:49.35 | Iriel | C) 1,2 slide around CCW, while 3,4 slide around CW |
| 09:49.53 | Iriel | slide out = increase their angular spacing while remaining the same distance from the player ring |
| 09:50.12 | AnduinLothar | spread out u mean |
| 09:50.27 | Iriel | yes, spread out |
| 09:51.15 | AnduinLothar | well, I would say just have it slide around individually with 5 or 10 degree slide stops |
| 09:51.22 | Iriel | (and dont worry about "O" "R" "S" -- i'll likely change them before release |
| 09:51.55 | Iriel | I guess that's really the question here... |
| 09:52.00 | Iriel | parametric versus free location |
| 09:52.06 | Iriel | you're a big fan of free location it seems |
| 09:52.11 | Iriel | while I like parametric layouts |
| 09:52.11 | AnduinLothar | free location si always more flexable |
| 09:52.22 | Iriel | Chances are I'll end up coding both 8-) |
| 09:52.59 | Iriel | free location is much fiddlier to get right tho |
| 09:53.03 | AnduinLothar | and if u use free sliding + snap to grid you get intuitive usage + flexability + neatness/exact distances |
| 09:53.36 | Iriel | to re-space the rings i'd have to move every ring |
| 09:53.40 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 09:53.53 | krka|work | if you're going to use that advanced system Iriel, I hope it's not meant to be completely static |
| 09:54.00 | krka|work | would be cool to have it move around :) |
| 09:54.18 | AnduinLothar | if u use a complex parabolic system it wont be flexable enough for most users |
| 09:54.21 | Iriel | krka : well, the infrastructure's all there for moving things around |
| 09:54.38 | krka|work | easiest example would be to have party frames automatically be centered, regardless of how many there is in party |
| 09:54.40 | Iriel | krka : though there's a degree of overhead involved since it requires constantly recalculating things |
| 09:55.01 | krka|work | isn't that a simple computation though? |
| 09:55.02 | Iriel | yeah, the party centering was something I was thinking about today, in fact |
| 09:55.16 | Iriel | that kind of 'non-static' is pretty lightweight |
| 09:55.29 | krka|work | some oscillation would be cool too |
| 09:55.31 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 09:55.42 | AnduinLothar | meh oscilation would hurt |
| 09:55.44 | Iriel | oscilation starts to get expensive, if you actuallyrotate the rings too |
| 09:55.47 | krka|work | or flowing sorting of party by health |
| 09:55.48 | AnduinLothar | centering might be cool |
| 09:55.52 | krka|work | (good for healers) |
| 09:56.13 | Iriel | it's certainly doable even in an OnUpdate without TOO Much of an fps hit, but i wouldn't want to make it a normal setting 8-) |
| 09:56.14 | krka|work | just calculating the new offset should be easy though? |
| 09:56.24 | krka|work | true |
| 09:56.24 | Iriel | Oh yes, offsetting is very fast |
| 09:56.47 | AnduinLothar | i think anyhting moving would get confusing, esp with no way to visually identify except name |
| 09:56.49 | Iriel | And you could always replace the cluster's layout manager |
| 09:56.51 | krka|work | Iriel, next challenge for you: line drawing |
| 09:57.01 | krka|work | i think it's non-trivial to get it done well |
| 09:57.16 | Iriel | krka it's actually not all that hard |
| 09:57.20 | Iriel | since 1.9 |
| 09:57.25 | krka|work | o rly? |
| 09:57.29 | Iriel | though you do have a finite limit on line segments |
| 09:57.49 | krka|work | i was thinking it was difficult to get the endpoints nice |
| 09:57.56 | krka|work | also, having a constant thickness |
| 09:58.29 | Iriel | if you dont mind squared edges, it's fairly straightfoward |
| 09:58.44 | Iriel | though overlapping them with alpha levels could be noticable |
| 09:58.53 | krka|work | squared edges? |
| 09:58.58 | Iriel | [ ] |
| 09:59.11 | krka|work | that's what I want, I think |
| 09:59.16 | Iriel | as opposed to rounded or angled ( ) or < > |
| 09:59.27 | Ktron | maybe I'll try to add a few more commands to MoveAnything |
| 09:59.31 | krka|work | i think of a line as a rotaded thin rectangle |
| 09:59.35 | krka|work | rotated |
| 09:59.42 | Iriel | yes |
| 10:00.11 | Iriel | I think you'd find you could be succesful with something like a 128 x 128 texture |
| 10:00.33 | Iriel | with a 126 x 4 pixel line |
| 10:00.38 | krka|work | the rotating should be fairly easy, but how do you make sure the thickness doesn't vary with length? |
| 10:00.39 | Iriel | the rest transparent |
| 10:00.50 | Iriel | transparency all the way around is important |
| 10:00.55 | krka|work | yeah, I know |
| 10:00.58 | krka|work | repeating edge pixels |
| 10:01.30 | Iriel | you just work out how far 'out' you need to set your texture coordinates to keep the width right |
| 10:01.56 | krka|work | hm, right, I can go outside |
| 10:01.57 | Iriel | a scaled rotation is still an affine transformation |
| 10:01.59 | krka|work | didn't think of that |
| 10:02.09 | Iriel | so it should work out just fine |
| 10:02.17 | krka|work | my idea involved going further inside, but that would screw up the endpoints |
| 10:02.24 | Iriel | yeah |
| 10:02.26 | Iriel | always go out |
| 10:02.33 | Iriel | unless you dont care about your edges.. NOW... |
| 10:03.03 | Iriel | if you want to touch things together without seams, then you're stuck having to hit Texture edges |
| 10:03.12 | Iriel | and use multiple elements for a single entity |
| 10:03.26 | krka|work | don't think I need that |
| 10:03.46 | Iriel | If you've got an alpha of 1 then you dont need to care 8-) |
| 10:04.03 | Iriel | and use a white line and you can color it whatever you need |
| 10:04.05 | krka|work | hmm... and if I do have arbitrary alpha? |
| 10:04.12 | Iriel | then you see overlaps |
| 10:04.12 | krka|work | yeah, already thought of that |
| 10:04.25 | krka|work | not if the line is a single texture, right? |
| 10:04.30 | Iriel | correct |
| 10:04.40 | Iriel | i'm talking abotu where you have lines touching one another |
| 10:04.40 | krka|work | but I see your point |
| 10:04.52 | krka|work | drawing complex graphs would need alpha=1 to look good |
| 10:05.05 | Iriel | I actually found a bug in an earlier version of StatRings when I had a see-through ring |
| 10:05.10 | Iriel | which wasn't visible with a solid one |
| 10:05.23 | Iriel | anyway, bedtime! |
| 10:05.28 | krka|work | nighty |
| 10:06.26 | pagefault | yes the day is starting so that means it's time to go to bed |
| 10:06.29 | pagefault | :) |
| 10:10.48 | Ktron | heh |
| 10:10.51 | Ktron | I will do that soon too |
| 10:11.50 | Ktron | but first, to see if I can decide on a good setup for my buttons |
| 10:20.41 | pagefault | the RP forum is rather odd |
| 10:20.47 | pagefault | very odd |
| 10:25.09 | pagefault | man |
| 10:25.12 | pagefault | I can't stop laughing |
| 10:41.25 | AnduinLothar | night all |
| 12:27.49 | krka|work | oooh... I can probably draw picture perfect lines with any length, angle and thickness just using a 4x4 texture |
| 12:28.01 | krka|work | (also at any color and alpha) |
| 12:28.42 | krka|work | just need to figure out the math |
| 12:36.57 | krka|work | except of course that the minimum texture size is 32x32 or something like that |
| 12:47.26 | krka|work | only sleep for like... 3 hours? |
| 12:47.44 | krka|work | poor cair |
| 12:52.58 | Cair|afk | thanks |
| 12:53.05 | Cair|afk | heading out, back later all |
| 12:54.42 | Kalroth | bye Cair! |
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| 14:39.18 | krka|work | are there any limits to how much you can stretch textures? |
| 14:56.43 | krka|work | how annoying... I know my plan should work, but i can't figure out the formulas |
| 14:57.38 | norganna | U need matrix math :) |
| 14:57.52 | krka|work | perhaps |
| 14:58.36 | norganna | seriously... look at some opengl stuff |
| 14:58.52 | norganna | they do heaps of translation stuff |
| 14:59.13 | krka|work | actually, the rotation part is easy |
| 14:59.28 | krka|work | i am mostly concerned about line thickness now |
| 15:00.09 | norganna | kewl |
| 15:01.01 | norganna | anyhow - nite nite from me and me... |
| 15:01.19 | krka|work | nite nite |
| 15:01.32 | krka|work | do all americans here have really weird sleeping habits btw? |
| 15:01.56 | norganna|Zzz | watch who you're callin' 'merican mate |
| 15:02.04 | krka|work | i can never keep track, sorry |
| 15:02.11 | krka|work | what're you then? |
| 15:02.15 | krka|work | australian? |
| 15:02.26 | norganna|Zzz | i thought the "mate" woulda ginven it awaay |
| 15:02.27 | krka|work | that would actually make you have a normal day rhythm |
| 15:02.54 | krka|work | if I had been more observant perhaps |
| 15:02.55 | norganna|Zzz | it's like 1 am here |
| 15:03.03 | norganna|Zzz | normal enough i guess |
| 15:03.15 | krka|work | perfectly normal imo |
| 15:03.20 | krka|work | sleep well and wake |
| 15:09.20 | Legorol | americans aren't the only ones with weird sleeping habits |
| 15:10.56 | krka|work | i suppose not |
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| 15:11.43 | krka|work | damn it, i am beginning to think my idea won't work |
| 15:11.56 | Osagasu | what idea? |
| 15:12.05 | krka|work | drawing pretty lines in WoW |
| 15:13.04 | Beladona | you trying to get a curve graph working? |
| 15:13.14 | krka|work | no, a plain straight line |
| 15:13.17 | Beladona | oh |
| 15:13.33 | Beladona | look at flightmap |
| 15:13.38 | Beladona | not sure how they did it |
| 15:13.40 | Beladona | but they did |
| 15:13.55 | krka|work | oh, I've done it before with AutoTravel |
| 15:14.03 | krka|work | but now I want to do it with the new SetTexCoord |
| 15:14.09 | Beladona | hehe |
| 15:16.08 | krka|work | i think it would make it much prettier |
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| 15:20.42 | krka|work | sleepchatting? |
| 15:22.54 | Cair|afk | no, I'm the one with the *completely* screwed up sleep pattern, but my reasoning for it is sound |
| 15:23.03 | Beladona | hi Cair |
| 15:23.06 | krka|work | hey |
| 15:23.12 | Cair | and I'm not american either, thanks :p |
| 15:23.18 | krka|work | yay, I think I made my idea work inside my head again |
| 15:23.30 | krka|work | hm, so what are you? |
| 15:23.39 | Beladona | dont make it sound like a dirty word or anything |
| 15:23.40 | Cair | g'day, eh? |
| 15:24.26 | Cair | damn, did it not come through clear enough? let me try again: How DARE you infer that I am one of those stinking american slime? |
| 15:24.38 | Cair | that better Bela? ;) |
| 15:24.41 | Beladona | yes |
| 15:24.44 | Beladona | =P |
| 15:24.45 | Cair | cool |
| 15:25.06 | krka|work | canadian or something then? |
| 15:25.14 | Cair | there ya go! |
| 15:25.39 | krka|work | actually, we seem to have quite a diverse group of nationalities here |
| 15:26.08 | Cair | the internet truly is a rockin' thing :) |
| 15:26.30 | Cair | AND, it's good for other things too! |
| 15:26.33 | Cair | ~for porn |
| 15:26.34 | purl | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 15:26.34 | Beladona | you know |
| 15:26.35 | krka|work | for porn! |
| 15:26.49 | Beladona | Blizzard didn't give that little level circle near the party frame a name |
| 15:26.57 | Cair | *blink* |
| 15:27.00 | Beladona | bastiges |
| 15:27.15 | Cair | go bug slouken, although he may very well not see it for a couple days |
| 15:27.22 | Beladona | its no biggy |
| 15:27.26 | Beladona | gonna just make my own |
| 15:27.31 | Cair | he's off work for a couple days |
| 15:27.53 | Beladona | cool |
| 15:28.00 | Beladona | he deserves a break |
| 15:28.17 | Beladona | just like I do, but some of my people called in today, so now I get to go in around noon |
| 15:28.23 | Beladona | =( |
| 15:28.25 | Cair | gah! |
| 15:28.31 | Cair | but you just got done work! |
| 15:28.35 | Beladona | yeah |
| 15:28.44 | Beladona | thats what happens when you are the one in charge |
| 15:28.53 | krka|work | more €€€€ FTW! |
| 15:29.01 | Cair | so ... why are you awake? you should be trying to grab a few quick zzz |
| 15:29.04 | krka|work | €_€ |
| 15:29.06 | Beladona | I did |
| 15:29.09 | Beladona | a little |
| 15:29.18 | Beladona | I can't sleep now anyway |
| 15:29.20 | Cair | > or < 3 hrs? |
| 15:29.22 | Beladona | too much UI on the brain |
| 15:29.41 | Beladona | dunno, like 4? |
| 15:29.47 | krka|work | 4 is optimal! |
| 15:29.52 | Cair | ah well, you've got me beat then |
| 15:30.02 | Beladona | you had to get up earlier than me |
| 15:30.08 | Beladona | I slept in till 10 |
| 15:30.37 | Cair | well, I'm likely about to go pass out again here shortly |
| 15:30.52 | Cair | I don't function well on 3 hrs sleep ... lord knows I'm cranky enough these days |
| 15:31.05 | Cair | you guys don't want me to hang around with this few hours under my belt |
| 15:32.11 | krka|work | i have a gf, I am used to crankiness :P |
| 15:32.20 | Cair | >< krka |
| 15:32.25 | Cair | can you get any more sexist? |
| 15:32.28 | Osagasu | ~stab krka |
| 15:32.30 | purl | ACTION runs at krka with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 15:32.34 | Cair | http://www.msnbc.com/comics/daily.asp?sfile=nq051212&vts=121220050710 |
| 15:32.35 | Cair | heheheh |
| 15:32.36 | krka|work | you misspellt sexy |
| 15:32.44 | kremonte | haha |
| 15:32.47 | kremonte | nice one krka |
| 15:32.55 | Osagasu | ~whaleslap krka |
| 15:32.57 | purl | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap krka over the head with it..... |
| 15:33.43 | krka|work | whales blow |
| 15:33.56 | Osagasu | no shit. |
| 15:34.04 | Beladona | think that is known as "exhaling" |
| 15:35.05 | Cair | let's see the proof, then I'll tell you whether I did or not |
| 15:35.05 | krka|work | no silly, fish don't exhale! |
| 15:35.05 | Cair | ;) |
| 15:35.38 | Cair | oh UGH! *shoots her radio* |
| 15:35.50 | Cair | windchill is *only* -24 |
| 15:35.55 | Cair | *hibernates* |
| 15:35.59 | krka|work | ouch |
| 15:36.01 | krka|work | winter ftl |
| 15:36.23 | krka|work | is that in fahrenheit or celcius? |
| 15:36.28 | krka|work | (or kelvin???) |
| 15:37.14 | krka|work | interesting, they don't differ much |
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| 15:39.40 | futr-sleep | morning Loz |
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| 15:40.08 | Cair | C ... it's about -11 F |
| 15:40.29 | Cair | hey Loz! |
| 15:40.37 | Cair | *knew* we'd get you in here sooner or later |
| 15:42.43 | Osagasu | its a crispy 41 degrees here. <3 |
| 15:42.52 | Cair | *moves* |
| 15:43.11 | Tain | I don't mind the cold so much as the hours of snow shovelling the driveway. |
| 15:43.13 | Osagasu | there's a free spot in my bed! ;) |
| 15:43.23 | krka|work | 41C would be painful |
| 15:43.29 | Cair | Hubby might object to that Osagasu |
| 15:43.41 | Cair | krka|work: 41C is yummy |
| 15:43.59 | Osagasu | ;_; |
| 15:44.04 | krka|work | 25C is already too hot |
| 15:44.07 | Cair | 41F is cold |
| 15:44.12 | Osagasu | He'd get over it after he killed me. |
| 15:44.52 | Legorol | g'morning Cair |
| 15:46.29 | Cair | hey Legorol :) |
| 15:46.51 | Legorol | don't suppose you fancy trip to RFC? |
| 15:47.01 | Cair | I fancy a trip to my bed |
| 15:47.03 | Cair | sorry |
| 15:47.05 | Legorol | ooh |
| 15:47.10 | Legorol | have you not slept? poor you... |
| 15:47.14 | Cair | 3 hrs |
| 15:47.15 | Beladona | later tonight buddy |
| 15:47.17 | Cair | not enough |
| 15:47.18 | Legorol | ouch Cair |
| 15:47.20 | Beladona | after I get home |
| 15:47.24 | Lozareth | lol, late hi to futr and Cair |
| 15:47.37 | Cair | what Bela said |
| 15:47.40 | Osagasu | If it wasn't an hour and a half till my finals in Psych, I would go with you |
| 15:47.57 | Legorol | gl Osagasu |
| 15:48.12 | Cair | good luck Osagasu |
| 15:48.13 | Osagasu | oh it isn't a comprehensive exam |
| 15:48.20 | Osagasu | its just these last three chapters |
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| 15:49.02 | Osagasu | I'd be studying right now if I had any fucking clue where my book was |
| 15:49.05 | Legorol | ok i guess Mr. UI is going to park himself down then |
| 15:50.01 | Lozareth | I can't decide how to kill time at work while the bosses are out on vacation 'till Friday |
| 15:51.24 | Lozareth | sit here all day, work on a mod I can't test 'till I get home, re-build my website again eventhough it's been less than a month since the last re-build, or browse websites |
| 15:51.52 | Lozareth | nooooooo |
| 15:52.07 | Cair | sorry luv, but you have *got* to get over your fascination with that horrid red and yellow colour combo |
| 15:52.18 | Lozareth | they're the Discord colors :( |
| 15:52.46 | Cair | that they are, very discordant :p |
| 15:53.15 | Lozareth | lol, I'll just take it back to the all-text format and go black and white |
| 15:53.21 | Cair | not trying to be insulting, really, but it's incredibly hard on the eyes, mine at least, can't speak for others |
| 15:53.29 | SP|Sorren | i have to agree with cair |
| 15:53.35 | Lozareth | hard on mine too :} |
| 15:54.12 | Cair | ooooorrrrr ... you could just stick with your FA section at WoWI ;) |
| 15:55.10 | Lozareth | I do feel the urge to shut-down my site completely |
| 15:56.17 | futr-sleep | It'l be easier for more people to run interferance between the howling non-manual reading masses and yourself ;'] |
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| 16:08.54 | SP|Sorren | `ugh |
| 16:09.01 | SP|Sorren | is there any easy way to tell if your character is moving? |
| 16:09.19 | SP|Sorren | so far my hooking of all the movement functions isn't working very well :( |
| 16:09.46 | futrtrubl | only if your not instance as far as I know |
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| 16:10.04 | SP|Sorren | curses |
| 16:10.37 | Cair | @#$%@#$%@#$!@$# |
| 16:10.58 | SP|Sorren | yes, those |
| 16:11.03 | Cair | *nods* |
| 16:11.05 | futrtrubl | CAIR! Such unladylike behaviour |
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| 16:11.10 | kergoth | http://gadgets.fosfor.se/the-top-10-weirdest-usb-drives-ever/ |
| 16:11.12 | shouryuu | rraaawwwrrr |
| 16:11.21 | futrtrubl | meep |
| 16:11.44 | Beladona | you could try hooking the minimap OnUpdate script |
| 16:11.46 | SP|Sorren | argh, i really gotta stop idling in patrol paths :/ |
| 16:11.57 | SP|Sorren | hey, thats a neat idea bela :O |
| 16:12.04 | SP|Sorren | must go look it up! |
| 16:12.05 | Cair | I like the sake bottle,that's kinda cute |
| 16:12.13 | shouryuu | the tumb is the best |
| 16:12.15 | Cair | ditto the tiki |
| 16:12.28 | SP|Sorren | i really wanna get the sushi usb drives, those are cool |
| 16:12.44 | shouryuu | what does ditto mean? |
| 16:12.46 | SP|Sorren | maybe get it for my sister, she collects wierd stuff like that |
| 16:12.50 | SP|Sorren | same, shou |
| 16:12.51 | shouryuu | lol |
| 16:12.52 | kergoth | ~dict ditto |
| 16:12.59 | Cair | *boggles at barbie* |
| 16:13.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:13.04 | SP|Sorren | lol the barbie |
| 16:13.06 | SP|Sorren | is so creepy |
| 16:13.38 | SP|Sorren | i think that would traumatize little girls |
| 16:13.44 | SP|Sorren | "Just pull off her head!" |
| 16:13.46 | SP|Sorren | :/ |
| 16:13.50 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:13.59 | krka|work | i could think of far more traumatizing usb sticks |
| 16:14.00 | Cair | naw, little girls pull the heads off their barbies all the time |
| 16:14.07 | futrtrubl | I like the barbie one |
| 16:14.13 | shouryuu | Cair is weird |
| 16:14.15 | SP|Sorren | i woudln't know 8) |
| 16:14.16 | shouryuu | she kills barbies |
| 16:15.06 | futrtrubl | she kills them for good cause |
| 16:15.28 | Beladona | anyone know of a wow texture that is blank but circular |
| 16:15.39 | Beladona | I need a black circular background for something |
| 16:15.46 | shouryuu | lol |
| 16:15.48 | futrtrubl | anyone got any info on the usage of FontString:SetAlphaGradient(start,length)? |
| 16:15.55 | Cair | <== is a blank texture atm |
| 16:17.16 | Beladona | oh well, off to make my own |
| 16:17.47 | SP|Sorren | boo, the minimap onUpdate doesn't seem to tell me anything :( |
| 16:18.08 | Beladona | you hooked it? |
| 16:18.21 | SP|Sorren | not really, just looked at the code |
| 16:18.25 | SP|Sorren | nothing seems to happen o.O |
| 16:18.27 | Beladona | hang on |
| 16:18.45 | Beladona | I know, but it still gets called whenever the minimap updates |
| 16:18.52 | SP|Sorren | or does the OnUpdate change when you move? |
| 16:19.00 | Beladona | should, but don't quote me on it |
| 16:19.04 | SP|Sorren | well, it would be called as long as the minimap is showing i think |
| 16:19.11 | Beladona | right |
| 16:19.26 | SP|Sorren | moving or not, i think |
| 16:19.30 | SP|Sorren | bah ill just hook it anyway |
| 16:19.35 | SP|Sorren | to see what happens 8) |
| 16:19.39 | Cair | kremonte: you there? |
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| 16:20.31 | shouryuu | I should be working |
| 16:20.34 | shouryuu | but I'm so tired |
| 16:25.54 | Parak | I should be sleeping |
| 16:26.01 | Parak | But I'm working.. |
| 16:26.21 | Cair | okay, I keep drifting in and out here, time to give in and just go sleep |
| 16:26.23 | Cair | later all |
| 16:34.01 | futrtrubl | damn, and I had her frame level suggestion ready for her to text ;'] |
| 16:34.07 | futrtrubl | test* |
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| 16:41.29 | MoonWolf | good day all of you. |
| 16:44.06 | kergoth | ~today |
| 16:44.08 | purl | [monday] when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 16:45.18 | MoonWolf | kergoth... is there a place with all of the day of the week qoutes ? |
| 16:46.16 | kergoth | i dont think so. i was the one who created all those factoids. they arent quotes, i just came up with them on the fly |
| 16:46.21 | kergoth | ~factinfo tuesday |
| 16:46.21 | purl | tuesday -- last modified at Fri Mar 26 22:00:35 2004 by kergoth!kergoth@zelda.tuxnami.org; it has been requested 62 times, last by Tain at Fri Nov 25 15:47:46 2005. |
| 16:46.31 | MoonWolf | ah |
| 16:46.57 | kergoth | was bs'ing with some open source folks when we made the revelation that saturday was the only day of the week that didnt suck :) |
| 16:47.11 | MoonWolf | ~saturday |
| 16:47.13 | purl | Saturday is the day that sucks the least! |
| 16:47.18 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 16:47.18 | purl | kergoth: thanks |
| 16:47.33 | MoonWolf | ~factinfo botsnack |
| 16:47.33 | purl | there's no such factoid as botsnack, MoonWolf |
| 16:47.44 | kergoth | i think its a command |
| 16:47.45 | MoonWolf | :( |
| 16:47.47 | kergoth | rather than a factoid |
| 16:47.50 | MoonWolf | oh |
| 16:47.56 | kergoth | like factinfo and the rest |
| 16:48.01 | MoonWolf | is there a command info ? |
| 16:48.09 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.48 | MoonWolf | we will never know because i still have to get an op to unreg this nickname. |
| 16:49.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:49.47 | MoonWolf | and i am lazy |
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| 17:14.00 | krka | damn it! my idea doesn't work |
| 17:25.39 | futrtrubl | ? |
| 17:26.47 | Kolth | He was trying to breed penguins with polar bears. |
| 17:28.10 | Tain | www.pandora.com is better! No client download. |
| 17:28.35 | kergoth | java? ick |
| 17:28.44 | Tain | No client download! |
| 17:28.53 | kergoth | java? ick |
| 17:28.54 | Tain | Runs on Firefox in X! |
| 17:29.07 | Tain | Oh.. you're one of those no-sound-having Linux people. ;) |
| 17:29.13 | kergoth | hahaha - http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/601-8711991-7508969?asin=B0007U8MSA |
| 17:29.20 | kergoth | thats awesome |
| 17:31.45 | Tain | Very nice! |
| 17:33.49 | kergoth | my stepdad needs http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=bxgy_cc_img_b_13626441/601-8711991-7508969?asin=B0001X29ZU for his garden |
| 17:33.51 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 17:47.02 | Beladona | work sucks |
| 17:47.06 | Beladona | lol |
| 17:54.45 | kergoth | being unemployed sucks more :( |
| 17:57.31 | Beladona | true |
| 17:57.59 | Beladona | what sucks for me is when I have to let someone go |
| 17:58.04 | Beladona | which I do |
| 17:58.14 | Beladona | good guy, but sick every other week |
| 17:58.36 | Kolth | Then he wasn't a good guy! |
| 17:58.38 | Kolth | He was a liar! |
| 17:58.41 | Beladona | lol |
| 17:59.13 | Beladona | I am just getting tired of covering for him |
| 17:59.26 | Kolth | I've never missed a day of work for being sick. Only for lying that I was. |
| 17:59.32 | Beladona | no vacation in 2 years, because I can't leave without something going wrong |
| 18:01.05 | Beladona | hey. Isn't there an ubuntu live cd somewhere, or is that just the plain cd I am thinking of and it has a live option? |
| 18:01.19 | MoonWolf | there is a seperate live cd i think. |
| 18:01.24 | Beladona | hmm |
| 18:01.57 | Kolth | I can mail you my Live CD. |
| 18:02.23 | Beladona | lemme try to find it for download, and if I cant then I would appreciate it =) |
| 18:03.18 | Beladona | found it |
| 18:03.28 | Tain | You mean like... postal mail? |
| 18:03.29 | Kolth | Of course you'll find it, silly. |
| 18:03.30 | Tain | How quaint. |
| 18:03.34 | Kolth | Ooh, btw. GuildWars rocks my socks. |
| 18:03.42 | Beladona | you like? |
| 18:03.52 | Kolth | Yeah, went back to it for a few hours. |
| 18:04.03 | Beladona | I wihs a few things would make it over to wow |
| 18:04.05 | Kolth | Some guy wanted me in his guild and gave me, apparently, a max damage 2H Hammer |
| 18:04.06 | Beladona | wish* |
| 18:04.13 | Beladona | screw that |
| 18:04.22 | Beladona | join mine, and I can outfit you completely |
| 18:04.32 | Kolth | Do you mind if I play a few hours a week? |
| 18:04.42 | Beladona | I barely play myself |
| 18:04.46 | Beladona | =P |
| 18:04.52 | Kolth | I'm also like level 9, almost 10. |
| 18:04.58 | Beladona | thats fine |
| 18:05.07 | Kolth | I actually like it more than WoW. |
| 18:05.12 | Kolth | But I have so much crap to do on WoW :P |
| 18:05.20 | Beladona | till you get to the end game |
| 18:05.24 | Beladona | then you will be back |
| 18:05.30 | Beladona | =P |
| 18:05.38 | Kolth | 'Til I get to endgame in WoW? |
| 18:05.41 | Kolth | I'm there, baby! |
| 18:05.43 | Beladona | no |
| 18:05.45 | Beladona | in GW |
| 18:05.56 | Beladona | there isn't an endgame like there is in wow |
| 18:05.58 | Kolth | Ah, gotcha. |
| 18:06.08 | Beladona | I have beaten the game |
| 18:06.11 | Beladona | literally |
| 18:06.15 | Kolth | hehehe |
| 18:06.47 | Beladona | they try to add stuff every now and then for you to do end-game, but it is easy to beat as soon as it comes out |
| 18:07.32 | Kolth | Well, I really do enjoy it. |
| 18:07.42 | Kolth | I think I kinda like Swords for my Wa/Mo |
| 18:08.07 | Beladona | you able to jump in now? |
| 18:08.11 | Kolth | Yeah. |
| 18:08.19 | Beladona | I gotta download the client, and then I can show you my warrior |
| 18:08.24 | Kolth | Sweet! |
| 18:09.18 | Kolth | I'm on right now. WoW and GW :) |
| 18:09.50 | Beladona | I love how GW you can just download the 73kb executable from anywhere, and it will download the rest |
| 18:10.08 | futrtrubl | heh, I'd forgotten about the Planet of the Apes series, most amusing |
| 18:10.12 | Maldivia | hmm... what's up with all the get player info function questions/requests recently... |
| 18:10.14 | Beladona | they did their update system really well |
| 18:10.51 | Kolth | Yeah. |
| 18:10.54 | Kolth | Best update system I can imagine. |
| 18:11.09 | Kolth | On-Demand content ftw |
| 18:11.16 | Kolth | It's the future! |
| 18:11.29 | Beladona | yeah |
| 18:11.50 | Beladona | its funny how you can be playing, and a message pops up saying "New version of the client is available for download" |
| 18:11.58 | Kolth | hah |
| 18:11.59 | Beladona | and you can just log out, back in, all done |
| 18:12.18 | Beladona | no downtime for patches |
| 18:12.30 | Kolth | It's historical. |
| 18:13.41 | Beladona | logging in |
| 18:14.02 | Beladona | what is your char name? |
| 18:14.29 | Kolth | Davin Felth |
| 18:14.57 | Beladona | now I get to download zone content, that takes a little while =( |
| 18:15.03 | Kolth | yarr |
| 18:15.08 | Kolth | How do you quit a guild? :P |
| 18:15.14 | Beladona | go into the guild window |
| 18:15.20 | Beladona | and click on the icon next to your name |
| 18:15.21 | Kolth | nvmd |
| 18:15.22 | Kolth | That's easy! |
| 18:17.56 | Beladona | http://sinister-alliance.com |
| 18:17.59 | Beladona | thats our website |
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| 18:19.36 | Kolth | On. Registered. |
| 18:19.57 | MoonWolf | you are making me want to play again.... |
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| 18:21.09 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:21.38 | MoonWolf | Guildwars is cool, i simply cannot play it for long periods because it start to bore me then. |
| 18:21.46 | Beladona | same |
| 18:21.56 | Beladona | that and I have been on a wow kick lately |
| 18:23.24 | kremonte | hihi all |
| 18:23.34 | Kolth | Heyas |
| 18:23.35 | MoonWolf | hmm, since i deleted my last char.. a mnk/necro what to pick, what to pick. |
| 18:23.55 | Beladona | mm |
| 18:24.07 | MoonWolf | hey |
| 18:24.11 | Beladona | hey Kolth, come to guild hall |
| 18:24.18 | Beladona | nm |
| 18:25.15 | MoonWolf | Beladona, can you comment on the energy reaping ability ? |
| 18:27.21 | Beladona | mmm |
| 18:27.32 | Beladona | one sec |
| 18:27.46 | Beladona | soul reaping? |
| 18:28.10 | Beladona | its probably the main thing you want to focus on as a necro |
| 18:28.17 | Beladona | its pretty pwoerful |
| 18:28.27 | MoonWolf | the energy gain talent of the necro's how effective is it ... how long would it keep me healing in a normal fight ? |
| 18:28.29 | Beladona | do that and minions, and you will be able to take almost anything |
| 18:29.16 | Beladona | bear in mind that it only gives you energy when something dies |
| 18:29.32 | Beladona | so if you go with it, you want some way to gaurantee steady deaths |
| 18:29.37 | MoonWolf | yeah. |
| 18:29.45 | Beladona | which is why minions are really good too |
| 18:29.52 | Beladona | you can kill faster with minions |
| 18:30.01 | Beladona | and each death means moremana + another minion you can raise |
| 18:30.15 | Beladona | I have seen necros with 20 minions |
| 18:30.18 | Beladona | its insane |
| 18:30.27 | MoonWolf | im thinking necro monk, focusing on healing and any other points into blood. |
| 18:30.32 | MoonWolf | because i love bloodwell |
| 18:30.35 | Beladona | I have a necro, but haven't levelled her up yet |
| 18:31.07 | MoonWolf | there is to many damn choices in this game. |
| 18:31.19 | Beladona | hehe |
| 18:31.24 | Beladona | too many is better than too few |
| 18:31.43 | MoonWolf | Wow could do with a subclassing system. |
| 18:31.53 | Beladona | if there was some way to merge GW with WOW I don't think I could put it down |
| 18:31.54 | kremonte | ugh no |
| 18:32.02 | kremonte | subclass = everyone has the same one either way |
| 18:32.05 | kremonte | kinda like ffxi, lol |
| 18:32.11 | Beladona | not true |
| 18:32.15 | Beladona | if it is balanced right |
| 18:32.24 | kremonte | blizzard + balance = ? |
| 18:32.25 | Kolth | I wanna be a RogueWarrior :P |
| 18:32.31 | MoonWolf | no, see you get to drop one tree/set of abilities and select one tree from another class... it could work |
| 18:32.32 | kremonte | Rogaman |
| 18:32.33 | Beladona | GW balanced to where you can choose any class types, and be useful in some way |
| 18:33.10 | MoonWolf | Beladona, some require more skill then others though |
| 18:33.14 | Beladona | aye |
| 18:33.31 | Beladona | many people pick War/Mo |
| 18:33.36 | Beladona | which I think is overrated |
| 18:33.39 | MoonWolf | the "Tank" build |
| 18:33.43 | Beladona | I prefer War/Ranger |
| 18:33.50 | Beladona | lot more utility |
| 18:33.55 | MoonWolf | indeed, ranger/necro and monk/necro i have tried and liked |
| 18:33.56 | Beladona | and I usually outlive War/Mos |
| 18:34.11 | MoonWolf | monk necro is a REALLY good healer. |
| 18:34.16 | MoonWolf | blood well can make a difference. |
| 18:34.51 | MoonWolf | i guess elementalist/necro... a god damn i cant make up my mind. |
| 18:35.09 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Hello? FFXI? |
| 18:35.17 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Or FFIII ? |
| 18:35.22 | Eraphine|Disco2 | or was it. IV.. |
| 18:35.31 | kremonte | i'm making a taru BST/NIN right now in ffxi D: |
| 18:35.32 | MoonWolf | GW ? |
| 18:35.37 | Eraphine|Disco2 | lol bst/nin |
| 18:35.41 | kremonte | bst/nin is leet |
| 18:35.45 | Eraphine|Disco2 | man the tarutaru were so cute it was disgusting. |
| 18:35.49 | kremonte | almost as leet as my 75 whm/nin |
| 18:35.59 | Eraphine|Disco2 | 75 brd/whm win |
| 18:36.01 | kremonte | have to relevel WHM BST and NIN now though :( |
| 18:36.07 | kremonte | cause midgard sucks |
| 18:36.12 | kremonte | bards make me sick |
| 18:36.49 | Beladona | Moon, ele/monk is good at fast cast healing, but not long term |
| 18:37.15 | MoonWolf | I don't like energy storage.... |
| 18:37.34 | MoonWolf | i want to have something that will keep going in the long run. |
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| 18:38.04 | MoonWolf | closed wrong window |
| 18:39.26 | Eraphine|Disco2 | bards make you sick? |
| 18:39.27 | Eraphine|Disco2 | why? |
| 18:39.38 | Eraphine|Disco2 | and.. is there a way to catch variables being passed to global strings? |
| 18:39.42 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Like the block amount. |
| 18:39.46 | kremonte | you and your, dont even need to lfg, and your, disgusting "party enhancement" |
| 18:39.58 | Eraphine|Disco2 | hey |
| 18:40.06 | Eraphine|Disco2 | don't hate me because I'm beautiful |
| 18:40.09 | Eraphine|Disco2 | can increase all melee damage. |
| 18:40.13 | Eraphine|Disco2 | and sleep mobs |
| 18:40.14 | kremonte | ASS |
| 18:40.15 | kremonte | T_T |
| 18:40.18 | Eraphine|Disco2 | can increase all mana regen |
| 18:40.22 | Eraphine|Disco2 | have no downtime |
| 18:40.24 | Eraphine|Disco2 | can heal |
| 18:40.29 | Eraphine|Disco2 | can debuff targets |
| 18:40.30 | kremonte | my ninja was cursed at 56, thats why i stopped playing pretty much completely |
| 18:40.42 | kremonte | every bard said i was a noob because my gear sucked -_- |
| 18:40.44 | Eraphine|Disco2 | ninja is not the way to go unless you've got really deep pockets. |
| 18:40.49 | kremonte | "no SH, using AF? wtf" |
| 18:40.59 | kremonte | i still have Cremonte on midgard with 25mil, heh |
| 18:41.09 | kremonte | and 18 stacks of utusemi powder =X |
| 18:41.11 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I was the 2nd bard to 75 on my server |
| 18:41.21 | Eraphine|Disco2 | after NA release date |
| 18:41.23 | kremonte | wtf o_O what server? |
| 18:41.25 | Eraphine|Disco2 | the first one was japanese. |
| 18:41.29 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Gilgamesh |
| 18:41.33 | kremonte | omg =O |
| 18:41.41 | kremonte | gilgamesh is like 90% JP |
| 18:41.45 | Eraphine|Disco2 | yep |
| 18:41.51 | Eraphine|Disco2 | It was one of the starting servers |
| 18:41.54 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I had no choice |
| 18:41.58 | kremonte | my first char was on gilga, a couple weeks after release |
| 18:42.10 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I spoke pigeon japanese |
| 18:42.19 | kremonte | was levelling in west saru and get a whisper in jp >> : konbanwa~ pattei??? |
| 18:42.21 | Eraphine|Disco2 | made some good japanese friends, and joined a japanese ls. |
| 18:42.39 | Eraphine|Disco2 | they used english? |
| 18:42.40 | kremonte | JPs on ragnarok are/were for the most part, assholes |
| 18:42.44 | kremonte | no, i can read japanese lol |
| 18:42.55 | Eraphine|Disco2 | they used hiragana? |
| 18:43.03 | Eraphine|Disco2 | no kanji? |
| 18:43.10 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I mean.. are you Japanese? |
| 18:43.21 | kremonte | well i don't know how to do konbanwa / pattei in kanji |
| 18:43.24 | kremonte | i am part JP =X |
| 18:43.42 | Eraphine|Disco2 | hehe - |
| 18:43.45 | kremonte | on my WHM, i remember a pt in kuftal 5/6 JP (all except me), they said i was a turtle WHM :( |
| 18:43.55 | Eraphine|Disco2 | en |
| 18:44.00 | Eraphine|Disco2 | bard/whm were more rare |
| 18:44.04 | Eraphine|Disco2 | they generally liked me. |
| 18:44.11 | kremonte | i almost left, they said they were talking about my hair/robe combination XD |
| 18:44.13 | Eraphine|Disco2 | plus my japanese friends were honest with me. |
| 18:44.27 | kremonte | though, in retrospect, i /did/ look like a turtle kinda =X |
| 18:44.37 | Eraphine|Disco2 | eh |
| 18:44.44 | Eraphine|Disco2 | ffxi was gorgeous |
| 18:45.00 | Eraphine|Disco2 | the textures were less refined, but there were so many of them. |
| 18:45.04 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I liked Tahrongi a lot |
| 18:45.19 | kremonte | i always hated that about my toon. i hated how i looked, but by the time i wanted to change, i was 72 |
| 18:45.45 | Tain | It had a lot of good things, it wsa just a little too tedius for me compared to other games. |
| 18:45.46 | Eraphine|Disco2 | hehe |
| 18:45.53 | Tain | Just a little too slow. |
| 18:46.11 | Beladona | I quit after I got my chocobo |
| 18:46.56 | kremonte | FFXI was really slow, but i guess it was a bit more rewarding |
| 18:46.59 | Tain | I didn't like the fact that you couldn't pick your server either. Had to get an invite to the server from someone else if you wnated to go there? |
| 18:47.18 | kremonte | i killed the nevermind in temple of ugly near the gate for my hototogisu -- 24 times |
| 18:47.32 | Tain | It is a great game. I just couldn't get into it at the time. Or anything else really. Long break from any kind of mmorpgs. |
| 18:48.04 | MoonWolf | made a ele going to get ele/ranger i think. |
| 18:53.31 | Beladona | Kolth: am afk a sec, trying to do something out of game |
| 18:55.52 | Kolth | No worry at all. |
| 18:55.56 | Kolth | I'm in Arathi Basin |
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| 18:55.59 | Guillotine | rawr |
| 18:56.05 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 18:56.07 | Guillotine | the room seems to be getting smaller :( |
| 18:56.09 | Kolth | slash in Arathi afk, reading websites! |
| 18:57.24 | kremonte | Guillotine, rawr |
| 18:57.28 | kremonte | like teh new spoofer? :p |
| 18:57.32 | Guillotine | ya :) |
| 18:57.37 | Guillotine | you done good |
| 18:59.57 | Guillotine | its too bad we can't release it :( |
| 19:00.34 | kremonte | lol yea |
| 19:00.35 | kremonte | shame :( |
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| 19:04.01 | Guillotine | hehe. http://www.bash.org/?588620 |
| 19:04.59 | kremonte | lol |
| 19:06.45 | Guillotine | hehe http://www.bash.org/?8379 |
| 19:06.48 | Guillotine | I love bash.org |
| 19:07.57 | Guillotine | http://www.bash.org/?7072 |
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| 19:13.16 | Beladona | checking my other chars for items Kolth |
| 19:13.30 | Natasem | ok who broke the wow forums? |
| 19:13.35 | Guillotine | it was Tem |
| 19:13.38 | Guillotine | of course |
| 19:14.06 | Kolth | Thanks, Bela |
| 19:14.14 | kremonte | yeesh, all the silithus rep people should be druid |
| 19:14.33 | kremonte | i'm 1 into friendly with cenarion with my warlock, i'm almost honored before 20 on my druid |
| 19:15.37 | Guillotine | lol |
| 19:15.39 | Guillotine | yup |
| 19:15.55 | Guillotine | but you don't get any further after 16 as a druid |
| 19:15.55 | Guillotine | our last quest is at 16 :( |
| 19:16.38 | kremonte | seriously? :( |
| 19:16.42 | kremonte | what about erh |
| 19:16.49 | kremonte | cat form/dire bear? |
| 19:17.05 | kremonte | oh yeah Guillotine, you think it'd be funny if i got a human mount on my druid at 40? :D |
| 19:17.25 | Guillotine | neither of those are quests |
| 19:17.27 | Guillotine | they cost 90c |
| 19:17.28 | Guillotine | from a trainer |
| 19:17.35 | Guillotine | or something like that |
| 19:17.38 | Guillotine | but no quests |
| 19:17.39 | Natasem | closed caption game time... what do you think santa is thinking or saying and what is the chick saying? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/images/christmas/christmas-800x.jpg |
| 19:17.40 | kremonte | wow, that is so unextravagant |
| 19:18.10 | Guillotine | Santa: So what do you want for Christmas? |
| 19:18.15 | Guillotine | Undead girl: braaaaains |
| 19:18.16 | Beladona | Kolth: what do you prefer using right now? Axe, Hammer, Sword? |
| 19:18.21 | kremonte | lol Guillotine |
| 19:18.56 | kremonte | Santa-san: Kurissumassu puresentu desu ka? Undead Girl: buraiiiiiiiiinzu |
| 19:18.57 | Natasem | lol i love the look on santa |
| 19:19.01 | Natasem | 's face |
| 19:19.09 | kremonte | burainzu! |
| 19:20.14 | Kolth | Bela, I'm not sure I'm partial, yet. |
| 19:20.23 | Kolth | I think I kinda like swords for its ability in PvP. |
| 19:20.24 | Beladona | I have a good purple hammer |
| 19:20.27 | Kolth | Though Hammer in PvP seems fun. |
| 19:20.31 | Beladona | swords can come later |
| 19:20.36 | Kolth | I like Hammer Bash |
| 19:20.45 | Beladona | meet me in guild hall |
| 19:20.49 | Kolth | There now. |
| 19:21.25 | Natasem | anyone know what town this is the one in the portal gate http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/images/darkportal2/darkportal2-1600x.jpg |
| 19:21.51 | Natasem | it looks like something out of Asheron's Call |
| 19:22.32 | Guillotine | Natasem: looks like that city in WPL |
| 19:22.44 | kremonte | andorhal? |
| 19:23.02 | Guillotine | right |
| 19:23.05 | Guillotine | Andorhal |
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| 19:23.27 | Natasem | it looks liek there is a road with the road going under the arch but there is no arch in androhall |
| 19:24.22 | Tain | I thought I'd look at quest addons since I've only ever used MonkeyQuest. Except I don't see anything else that even comes remotely close. |
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| 19:24.51 | shouryuu | rrawrrrr |
| 19:25.25 | Guillotine | shouuuuuryuuu! |
| 19:25.27 | Guillotine | rawr |
| 19:25.30 | Guillotine | ono! |
| 19:25.33 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:25.34 | Guillotine | i escared of the rawr! |
| 19:25.50 | shouryuu | lol |
| 19:25.50 | krka | d |
| 19:26.05 | shouryuu | <3 |
| 19:26.14 | Tain | Well there is the mod that changes the 'elite' tag in the quest log to '1337' |
| 19:26.38 | shouryuu | lol |
| 19:27.08 | Natasem | lol |
| 19:27.12 | Guillotine | haha |
| 19:27.14 | Guillotine | seriously? |
| 19:27.15 | Guillotine | where? |
| 19:27.18 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 19:27.21 | kergoth | oh my |
| 19:27.22 | Tain | I saw it on ui.worldofwar.net |
| 19:27.23 | Natasem | no but there is one that does a WTFPWNBBQ |
| 19:27.25 | Guillotine | dam. I should of thought of that |
| 19:30.04 | shouryuu | ok my internet is slow |
| 19:30.07 | shouryuu | and its pissing me off |
| 19:30.24 | krka | i didn't notice that the internet was slow |
| 19:30.37 | Beladona | mm, ms just sent me the latest build of vista. Think I should try it, or throw it out my car window when I go home? |
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| 19:31.27 | Guillotine | throw it out. trust me |
| 19:31.37 | Guillotine | wait a bit longer for beta |
| 19:31.45 | Guillotine | the current one is buggy as hell |
| 19:32.01 | Guillotine | and, yes, hell is very buggy |
| 19:32.11 | shouryuu | lol |
| 19:32.14 | shouryuu | arrghhh I have a PM and I can't load the page!! |
| 19:32.17 | shouryuu | a PM! |
| 19:32.20 | shouryuu | PM = friends! |
| 19:32.25 | shouryuu | friends = good! |
| 19:32.39 | shouryuu | Shouryuu not included in friends |
| 19:33.14 | Guillotine | on WoWI? |
| 19:33.30 | Malivil | hmmm |
| 19:33.34 | Malivil | wow forums are down |
| 19:33.35 | Beladona | yeah I know Guill |
| 19:33.43 | Beladona | been trying every build since they put it on CTP |
| 19:33.53 | Beladona | I even posted my thoughts on it in my blog |
| 19:34.06 | Malivil | holy crap |
| 19:34.06 | Beladona | which basically said they are ruining it |
| 19:34.13 | Malivil | my realm isn't on the realm status page |
| 19:34.13 | Malivil | lol |
| 19:34.28 | shouryuu | lol |
| 19:35.04 | Guillotine | lol? |
| 19:35.06 | Malivil | and its not like it's new either |
| 19:35.10 | Malivil | it's 3 months old |
| 19:35.15 | Beladona | you know... |
| 19:36.23 | Malivil | Draka isn't there either |
| 19:36.24 | Beladona | MS would be smart to put VIsta CTP inso Live CD format |
| 19:36.25 | Beladona | into* |
| 19:36.25 | kremonte | Guillotine - question on druid, quest for aquatic form=darnassus only? or can i get it in that druid enclave in SW? |
| 19:36.25 | Malivil | wait |
| 19:36.25 | Guillotine | kremonte: no idea |
| 19:36.25 | Malivil | think about what you just said Beladona |
| 19:36.26 | Guillotine | i just did it at darnasus... |
| 19:36.26 | Malivil | "MS ... smart" |
| 19:36.26 | Beladona | MS = smart? |
| 19:36.26 | Malivil | It doens't work that way |
| 19:36.26 | Beladona | yeah I know, that doesn't compute |
| 19:36.26 | Malivil | *doesn't |
| 19:36.29 | Guillotine | ya. those two words don't go together in a sentance. unless the word 'not' is joining them |
| 19:36.34 | Malivil | yea |
| 19:36.38 | Malivil | or any other negative |
| 19:37.00 | krka | i think MS is pretty smart overall |
| 19:37.06 | Beladona | I think Bill Gates is really Hitler's great grandson, and he is applying the Nazi ideals to the software industry |
| 19:37.16 | krka | they are maintaining their monopoly quite well |
| 19:37.30 | Beladona | well is relative |
| 19:37.39 | Beladona | they have lost a lot of ground in the past 5 years |
| 19:38.31 | kremonte | bahh OS'! |
| 19:38.43 | kremonte | i want to install ubuntu but i cant find my cdr's :( |
| 19:39.02 | krka | not sure they have. everyone is still using their OS |
| 19:39.36 | kergoth | people are bailing on IE in droves, and not /everyone/ is using their OS, just most :) |
| 19:39.39 | kergoth | kremonte: :( |
| 19:39.44 | kergoth | kremonte: going with breezy I presume? |
| 19:39.49 | kremonte | yupyup nodnod |
| 19:40.07 | kremonte | the only CDs i can find are 320MB, and i KNOW i have a spindle of 200 CDR's |
| 19:40.51 | MoonWolf | last time i checked 200 cd's took quite some space... how do you misplace that. |
| 19:40.57 | shouryuu | lol |
| 19:41.10 | kremonte | MoonWolf - i lost my gamecube because it was so small |
| 19:41.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:41.17 | MoonWolf | .... |
| 19:41.25 | MoonWolf | get an xbox then |
| 19:41.30 | kremonte | consoles blow imo |
| 19:41.36 | shouryuu | agreed |
| 19:41.37 | kremonte | cant stand not being on my computert |
| 19:41.46 | shouryuu | just get a computer and there |
| 19:41.54 | kremonte | CoD2 PC: damnit, sniper behind me *jump 180 boom headshot* |
| 19:41.57 | shouryuu | computers do everything a console does, and more! |
| 19:42.02 | Beladona | you would be surprised how many companies are looking into linux alternatives |
| 19:42.02 | shouryuu | lol |
| 19:42.06 | Beladona | ours is |
| 19:42.15 | kremonte | CoD2 xbox360: damnit sniper behind me *jump...turning.. |
| 19:42.20 | kremonte | *dead* |
| 19:42.23 | krka | our company runs debian on all servers |
| 19:42.30 | shouryuu | Bela- Munich is equiping every city computer with linux, or so I read in the newspaper.. |
| 19:42.43 | Beladona | cool |
| 19:42.50 | krka | still almost only winxp on desktops though |
| 19:42.59 | Gryphen | usually how it is |
| 19:43.00 | Beladona | I think it will take a government switchover to open Microsoft's eyes |
| 19:43.06 | shouryuu | yeah |
| 19:43.11 | Beladona | states, goverment offices, etc... |
| 19:43.13 | krka | mostly because all the important software is windows only |
| 19:43.26 | Beladona | only out of necessity |
| 19:43.35 | kergoth | "What our friend Tolbin forgot to mention is that mixed in with those tyrant/ironhide/plain devilsaurs is King Mosh, who will not only kill you but then kill your pet, your small pet, your small pet's pet, your friends, your guild, your family, and then proceed to ressurect the pet goldfish you had when you were a kid just to kill it in front of you. " |
| 19:43.38 | Beladona | and emulation has come a long way |
| 19:43.42 | kremonte | lol, there's a section in the computer room in my school with fedora on all of them, |
| 19:43.46 | shouryuu | Yeah but when your running a library you don't need MS money or anything else.. |
| 19:43.54 | Beladona | there is an os right now that totes itself as a windows / linux hybrid |
| 19:44.02 | krka | reactos? |
| 19:44.02 | Beladona | and runs ms software out of the box |
| 19:44.07 | Beladona | think so |
| 19:44.09 | shouryuu | kerg - wtf? |
| 19:44.26 | kremonte | king mosh is a wussy |
| 19:44.30 | kremonte | i duoed him with a mage ._. |
| 19:44.42 | kremonte | If you can chill it I can kill it ^_~ |
| 19:44.48 | Beladona | <- burnign ubuntu live now |
| 19:45.01 | kremonte | bela, DCC me a cdr :( |
| 19:45.11 | Beladona | lol |
| 19:45.18 | Beladona | just download it |
| 19:45.18 | Beladona | faster that way |
| 19:45.27 | kremonte | i did download it |
| 19:45.33 | kremonte | but i need to burn it onto a cd to install it |
| 19:45.41 | Beladona | no burner? |
| 19:45.45 | Beladona | or no disks |
| 19:45.46 | kremonte | no cd's :( |
| 19:45.51 | kremonte | i lost my 200cdr spindle |
| 19:45.51 | Beladona | ouch |
| 19:46.03 | Beladona | how do you lose that big of a spindle? |
| 19:46.07 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 19:46.12 | kremonte | the same way i lost my gamecube |
| 19:46.19 | Beladona | haha |
| 19:46.45 | Guillotine | thats going on bash.org... |
| 19:46.51 | Beladona | no neighbors with cds? |
| 19:46.56 | kremonte | neighbor? what's that |
| 19:47.02 | kremonte | Guillotine - :( |
| 19:47.03 | Beladona | =P |
| 19:47.27 | Guillotine | what kremonte? its funny :) |
| 19:47.33 | Beladona | do it |
| 19:47.37 | Beladona | it is funny |
| 19:48.00 | kremonte | i dont want it to be misinterpreted as some sort of bash on nintendo :( |
| 19:48.01 | Beladona | gotta get the whole convo though |
| 19:48.06 | Beladona | put it in perspective |
| 19:49.01 | Guillotine | k guys. http://www.bash.org/?589526 |
| 19:49.04 | Guillotine | muhaha! |
| 19:49.16 | kremonte | Quote #589526 is pending moderation. |
| 19:49.21 | Guillotine | ya |
| 19:49.27 | Guillotine | itll appear there eventually... |
| 19:51.02 | shouryuu | the cd spindle? |
| 19:51.19 | Guillotine | yup |
| 19:51.32 | shouryuu | wow |
| 19:51.34 | Guillotine | kremonteno cd's :( |
| 19:51.36 | Guillotine | kremontei lost my 200cdr spindle |
| 19:51.38 | Guillotine | Beladonaouch |
| 19:51.39 | Guillotine | Beladonahow do you lose that big of a spindle? |
| 19:51.40 | Guillotine | Beladona0.o |
| 19:51.42 | Guillotine | kremontethe same way i lost my gamecube |
| 19:52.10 | shouryuu | how do you link text like that in IRC? |
| 19:52.23 | kremonte | so, now the question is, what will be interpreted as more; |
| 19:52.29 | kremonte | a bash on nintendo, or sexual innuendo |
| 19:52.34 | Gryphen | link text? |
| 19:53.07 | Guillotine | kremonte: huh? |
| 19:53.19 | Guillotine | gryphen: huh? |
| 19:53.20 | kremonte | To [Forseti]: [Lol The Untamed Blade will never drop for a noob like you!] |
| 19:53.23 | kremonte | >:D |
| 19:53.26 | kremonte | Guillotine - the quote |
| 19:53.27 | shouryuu | link what simone said |
| 19:53.35 | kremonte | copy/paste |
| 19:53.36 | kremonte | lol |
| 19:53.36 | Gryphen | Guillotine read what shouryuu said |
| 19:53.46 | Guillotine | oh. lol |
| 19:53.46 | Beladona | omg |
| 19:53.49 | Beladona | my favorite |
| 19:53.55 | Beladona | <Zybl0re> get up |
| 19:53.55 | Beladona | <Zybl0re> get on up |
| 19:53.55 | Beladona | <Zybl0re> get up |
| 19:53.55 | Beladona | <Zybl0re> get on up |
| 19:53.55 | Beladona | <phxl|paper> and DANCE |
| 19:53.56 | Beladona | * nmp3bot dances :D-< |
| 19:53.58 | Beladona | * nmp3bot dances :D|-< |
| 19:54.00 | Beladona | * nmp3bot dances :D/-< |
| 19:54.02 | Beladona | <[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet |
| 19:54.07 | Guillotine | yup |
| 19:54.09 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 19:54.20 | Guillotine | someones reading top 100 |
| 19:56.37 | kremonte | feline swiftness /drool |
| 19:56.41 | Beladona | I love the buried in the sand one |
| 19:56.47 | kremonte | that + travel form + mount = run run run |
| 19:56.59 | Guillotine | you can't mount while in travel form |
| 19:57.08 | Guillotine | and feline swiftness doesn't affect travel form |
| 19:57.12 | kremonte | i know, Guillotine |
| 19:57.18 | kremonte | druids have so many ways to run tho |
| 19:57.19 | kremonte | ;p |
| 19:57.22 | Guillotine | that would be cool if you could mount in travel form... |
| 19:57.29 | Guillotine | but only outside |
| 19:57.40 | Guillotine | except swiftness |
| 19:57.45 | Guillotine | or dash |
| 19:57.49 | Guillotine | i mean dash |
| 19:58.05 | kremonte | what level is dash? |
| 19:59.25 | Guillotine | check www.thottbot.com |
| 19:59.28 | Guillotine | thottbot knows all |
| 19:59.31 | Guillotine | and read http://www.bash.org/?107304 |
| 20:00.30 | kremonte | haha |
| 20:07.00 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-66-123-190-42.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 20:08.45 | Guillotine | hi iriel :) |
| 20:08.50 | Guillotine | are you in england yet? |
| 20:09.57 | krka | i am guessing no |
| 20:13.43 | Guillotine | im guessing yes |
| 20:13.51 | Guillotine | thats why its taking so long for the chat to transfer |
| 20:13.55 | Guillotine | it has to go across the ocean |
| 20:14.08 | Gryphen | lol |
| 20:14.19 | Gryphen | they have pacbell in england? |
| 20:14.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower|AFK (n=chatzill@eacb01-00-crlnpr-24-48-144-65.miamfl.adelphia.net) |
| 20:15.04 | Iriel | No, i'm at work, sorry, crazily busy trying to tie up loose ends before I leave. |
| 20:15.11 | Guillotine | ah. ok |
| 20:15.27 | Iriel | I fly out thursday |
| 20:17.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Trilian (n=Miranda@dyndsl-085-016-013-171.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 20:17.08 | Guillotine | ahhh. my birthday :D |
| 20:17.18 | Guillotine | sing happy birthday to me ont he plane :D |
| 20:17.19 | Guillotine | plain |
| 20:17.23 | Guillotine | however you spell it |
| 20:17.29 | Iriel | you got it right the first time |
| 20:17.30 | kremonte | plane |
| 20:17.31 | kremonte | ._. |
| 20:17.31 | Guillotine | ok |
| 20:17.35 | Guillotine | plane |
| 20:17.37 | Guillotine | gotcha |
| 20:17.55 | SP|Sorren | can someone explain big theta notation to me o.O |
| 20:18.01 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 20:18.10 | SP|Sorren | my textbook is useless |
| 20:19.10 | Guillotine | http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~cop4531/slideshow/chapter2/2-2.html |
| 20:19.14 | Guillotine | for sorren |
| 20:19.31 | Guillotine | if that helps... |
| 20:19.44 | SP|Sorren | im looking it over :P |
| 20:19.58 | Guillotine | google ftw :) |
| 20:20.09 | Beladona | you studying number theory? |
| 20:20.33 | SP|Sorren | logic for computer scientists. |
| 20:20.42 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:21.18 | kergoth | http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=510 |
| 20:21.29 | SP|Sorren | my textbook says my highschool comptuer teacher was wrong, and that what he called bigO is really big theta. |
| 20:21.37 | SP|Sorren | so im quite confused haha |
| 20:21.41 | kremonte | <[TN]FBMachine> i got kicked out of barnes and noble once for moving all the bibles into the fiction section |
| 20:21.54 | kergoth | that reminds me of Firefly |
| 20:21.58 | Beladona | they are the same |
| 20:22.12 | kergoth | Book: What are we up to, sweetheart? |
| 20:22.12 | kergoth | River: Fixing your Bible. |
| 20:22.12 | kergoth | Book: I, um... what? |
| 20:22.12 | kergoth | River: Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logics. Doesn't make sense. |
| 20:23.10 | Beladona | saw that episode |
| 20:23.35 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:23.41 | Osagasu | <3 Firefly |
| 20:23.48 | Osagasu | The Anglo-sino Alliance BLOWS! |
| 20:23.51 | kergoth | haha, http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/09 |
| 20:24.01 | Beladona | Sorren: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:nlnMw4nvNJ4J:www.math.uvic.ca/faculty/gmacgill/guide/big-O.pdf+Big+Theta&hl=en |
| 20:24.10 | Beladona | good rundown of each |
| 20:24.37 | SP|Sorren | w00t thx |
| 20:26.21 | kergoth | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/11/28 .. hehe |
| 20:26.44 | shouryuu | dumb question, but if I were to calculate exp(3) using the keppler series (Sigma x^n/n!), what would n be worth? |
| 20:27.08 | shouryuu | is exp(3)=Sigma x^n/n! when n~=+00? |
| 20:27.18 | shouryuu | ~= almost equals, tends toward |
| 20:28.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine_ (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 20:28.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tcl70 (i=Anonymou@dsl-195-227.hive.is) |
| 20:28.46 | kremonte | http://www.bash.org/?136524 |
| 20:28.50 | shouryuu | ok my question seems somewhat unpopular |
| 20:29.14 | SP|Sorren | your question is scarier than mine, and isn't as easily googled 8) |
| 20:29.20 | Tcl70 | hi all |
| 20:29.29 | Tcl70 | can some 1 help me whit lua ? :) |
| 20:29.32 | krka | keppler series? |
| 20:29.33 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 20:29.35 | krka | never heard of it |
| 20:29.35 | shouryuu | I can try |
| 20:29.38 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:29.43 | shouryuu | Sigma x^n/n! |
| 20:29.44 | krka | I'll look in my Beta for taylor expansion thuogh |
| 20:29.56 | shouryuu | Damn haven't done taylor yet |
| 20:29.57 | kremonte | rawr |
| 20:30.02 | kremonte | ~trout Gryphen |
| 20:30.03 | purl | ACTION slaps Gryphen around a bit with a large trout! |
| 20:30.03 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:30.10 | shouryuu | LOL! |
| 20:30.15 | kremonte | lol |
| 20:30.19 | shouryuu | Sigma is the weird E greek sign |
| 20:30.31 | shouryuu | tcl70 hit us with your lua |
| 20:30.37 | shouryuu | kinda like this |
| 20:30.39 | shouryuu | _ |
| 20:30.40 | shouryuu | \ |
| 20:30.45 | shouryuu | damn |
| 20:30.46 | shouryuu | _ |
| 20:30.47 | shouryuu | \ |
| 20:30.47 | krka | that would be correct shouryuu |
| 20:31.01 | shouryuu | well you get my point then |
| 20:31.03 | Tcl70 | sob.m_vLastPos = {}; |
| 20:31.04 | Tcl70 | -- sob.m_vLastPos.x, sob.m_vLastPos.y, sob.m_vLastPos.z = sob_ParsePosition(GetCurrentPosition()); |
| 20:31.06 | Tcl70 | sob.m_vLastPos.x, sob.m_vLastPos.y = GetPlayerMapPosition("player"); |
| 20:31.07 | Tcl70 | -- send fake coords |
| 20:31.09 | Tcl70 | if (not sob.m=true[sob.m_strPlayer]) then |
| 20:31.11 | Tcl70 | sob.m=false[sob.m_strPlayer] = {}; |
| 20:31.12 | Tcl70 | end |
| 20:31.15 | shouryuu | so n~=+00? |
| 20:31.23 | Tcl70 | need alternative to .LastPos{} |
| 20:31.31 | krka | exp(x) = 1 + x + x^2/2 + x^3/6 + ... + x^n/n! |
| 20:31.55 | Tcl70 | exp(x) = 1 + x + x^2/2 + x^3/6 + ... + x^n/n! ? |
| 20:32.06 | shouryuu | lol that isn't he alternative :P |
| 20:33.15 | Tcl70 | ???? |
| 20:33.17 | SP|Sorren | i guess you just evaluate to 3 shou :P |
| 20:33.22 | shouryuu | so exp(3)= 1 + 3 + 3^2/2 + 3^3/6 + ... + 3^n/n! |
| 20:33.30 | krka | yes |
| 20:33.41 | SP|Sorren | err with 3 :X |
| 20:33.49 | shouryuu | tcl70 I don't understand what you mean by an alternative for .lastPos{} |
| 20:33.57 | shouryuu | if you have more code paste here, for starters :P |
| 20:33.57 | shouryuu | SLASH_LEVILOTO2 = "/Loto"; |
| 20:33.57 | shouryuu | SLASH_LEVILOTO1 = "/Leviloto"; |
| 20:33.57 | shouryuu | SlashCmdList["LEVILOTO"] = LeviLotoShowFrame; |
| 20:34.00 | shouryuu | whhhops |
| 20:34.08 | shouryuu | http://wow.pastebin.com/pastebin.php |
| 20:34.34 | SP|Sorren | woudl your lottery mod be technically considered an ingame casino? |
| 20:34.38 | Tcl70 | my englis suck sry hard to explane for me :((( |
| 20:34.42 | shouryuu | SP- Ok if I want my computer program to calculate exp(3) using that series, how would I do that? |
| 20:34.48 | shouryuu | where you from tcl? |
| 20:35.07 | Gryphen | Iceland |
| 20:35.18 | Gryphen | according to whois which anyone can do :p |
| 20:35.32 | shouryuu | SP - well I'm not forcing people to join it, so guess not... It's not intruisive... |
| 20:36.09 | SP|Sorren | i was just joking ;P |
| 20:36.13 | Tcl70 | sob.m_vLastPos = {}; |
| 20:36.15 | Tcl70 | -- sob.m_vLastPos.x, sob.m_vLastPos.y, sob.m_vLastPos.z = sob_ParsePosition(GetCurrentPosition()); |
| 20:36.16 | Tcl70 | sob.m_vLastPos.x, sob.m_vLastPos.y = GetPlayerMapPosition("player"); |
| 20:36.18 | Tcl70 | -- send fake coords |
| 20:36.19 | Tcl70 | if (not sob.m=true[sob.m_strPlayer]) then |
| 20:36.21 | Tcl70 | sob.m=false[sob.m_strPlayer] = {}; |
| 20:36.22 | Tcl70 | end |
| 20:36.31 | shouryuu | rawr :P |
| 20:36.31 | Tcl70 | dosent work rght whit .LastPos{} |
| 20:36.45 | Tcl70 | right* |
| 20:37.49 | shouryuu | to tell the truth my LUA is limited, and I don't understand that code (or at least I don't think I do) soo unless someone else helps you, you're on your own :( |
| 20:37.49 | Gryphen | Tcl70 you can use http://wow.pastebin.com to post large bits of code. |
| 20:38.14 | SP|Sorren | sob.m=true[sob.m_strPlayer] what does that do O.o |
| 20:38.39 | Tcl70 | got only part of code :-/ helping 1 frind |
| 20:38.40 | shouryuu | rrawrrr |
| 20:38.40 | shouryuu | http://www.bash.org/?72089 |
| 20:38.56 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 20:40.03 | shouryuu | very true |
| 20:40.03 | shouryuu | http://www.bash.org/?95326 |
| 20:40.06 | Guillotine_ | haha |
| 20:40.28 | Guillotine | so true |
| 20:40.52 | kremonte | lol |
| 20:41.19 | Natasem | YaY i think i gona like version 1.9 |
| 20:41.21 | Natasem | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/11/28 |
| 20:41.23 | Iriel | I'll note you can make that code a lot cleaner (and more efficient) |
| 20:41.50 | Iriel | local newpos = {}; sob.m_vLastPos = newpos; |
| 20:41.59 | Iriel | newpos.x,newpos.y = GetPlayerMapPosition("player"); |
| 20:41.59 | Iriel | etc |
| 20:42.11 | Tcl70 | :D tnx |
| 20:42.13 | Guillotine | haha Natasem |
| 20:42.14 | Iriel | dont keep dereferencing sob.m_vLastPos again and again and again |
| 20:44.34 | krka | dude, just use MapLibrary for all your mapping needs |
| 20:44.37 | Beladona | and again |
| 20:44.48 | Beladona | ~shoot krka |
| 20:44.49 | purl | ACTION shoots krka in the ear with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 20:45.00 | krka | hey! |
| 20:45.19 | krka | though, maplibrary hasn't been updated in ages... :/ |
| 20:45.28 | Beladona | ~lart krka |
| 20:45.44 | krka | purl!*@* lades till i ignoreringslistan. |
| 20:46.01 | Beladona | err |
| 20:46.24 | krka | Tcl70, what are you working on? |
| 20:46.36 | shouryuu | anyone have a link to the comic that depcits people working in a games magazine... |
| 20:46.44 | shouryuu | dang forgot how it was called |
| 20:47.21 | Tcl70 | a guy Guderian working on some uber addon :) |
| 20:47.53 | Tcl70 | that whose his problem i am trying to help him :) |
| 20:48.23 | Tcl70 | did try to learn lua today :-/ and i did understand a thing :-/ |
| 20:48.42 | shouryuu | how do I set multiple slash commands? |
| 20:49.05 | Iriel | shouryuu : You mean multiple aliases for the same command? |
| 20:49.09 | Iriel | Or multiple different commands? |
| 20:49.15 | kremonte | you just duplicate the same thing you did as the first |
| 20:49.23 | shouryuu | yeah did that krem |
| 20:49.32 | shouryuu | found a typo in my commands |
| 20:49.37 | shouryuu | while posting it on pastebin |
| 20:49.39 | shouryuu | 0_o |
| 20:49.42 | Tain | I really want an addon to let me <tab> target critters. |
| 20:49.45 | shouryuu | i r gud programer |
| 20:49.50 | shouryuu | lol tain |
| 20:49.54 | shouryuu | you eviiiiil thing |
| 20:49.59 | SP|Sorren | hmm |
| 20:50.23 | shouryuu | and SP you didn't answer my question |
| 20:50.36 | SP|Sorren | maybe hook TargetNearestEnemy() and call it first, check to see if you have a target then TargetByName() down a critter list till target exists? |
| 20:50.41 | SP|Sorren | which was that? |
| 20:50.44 | shouryuu | how would I make a program to calculate exp(3) using the quoted series? |
| 20:50.49 | SP|Sorren | i have no idea. |
| 20:50.50 | shouryuu | *quoted= spoken of above |
| 20:50.53 | shouryuu | dang |
| 20:51.08 | kremonte | i have a macro that has a list of common critters |
| 20:51.17 | kremonte | tries to select one, and charges it for rage^^ |
| 20:51.27 | shouryuu | lo |
| 20:51.33 | shouryuu | so no one knows? |
| 20:51.54 | krka | local sum = 0 for i = 0, n do sum = sum + pow(x, i) / fac(i) end |
| 20:52.18 | krka | function fac(i) if i == 0 then return 1 end return i * fac(i - 1) end |
| 20:52.42 | krka | function pow(base, exp) if exp == 0 then return 1 end return base * pow(base, exp - 1) end |
| 20:52.43 | krka | there you go |
| 20:53.10 | shouryuu | yeah that I got |
| 20:54.24 | shouryuu | I'm just guessing my computer might not appreciate the fact that I'm going to make him calcute a sum for 1 to infinity... |
| 20:54.26 | Maldivia | krka: pow(123, -1)... endless loop :) |
| 20:54.37 | Maldivia | or well near-endless :) |
| 20:54.38 | Iriel | well, you need to give yourself a termination condition |
| 20:55.03 | krka | i was assuming that he wouldn't intentionally screw up his own program |
| 20:55.09 | shouryuu | lol |
| 20:55.27 | krka | am I missing a termination conditition? |
| 20:55.37 | krka | condition |
| 20:55.47 | Maldivia | isn't that the number one rule in programming or something, that something/someone will always screw it up? |
| 20:55.53 | shouryuu | doesn't for i = 0, n create an infinite loop? |
| 20:56.03 | krka | depends what you set n to |
| 20:56.13 | shouryuu | the problem is n needs to be set to infinity :P |
| 20:56.21 | krka | does it really? |
| 20:56.34 | shouryuu | yeah I think so |
| 20:56.36 | shouryuu | SP told me so |
| 20:56.38 | krka | is this an evaluation question or a calculus question? |
| 20:56.53 | shouryuu | and when you calculate the sum of a series it's for k=0 to n=+00 |
| 20:57.14 | shouryuu | I'm french, there is no such thing as evalutaion or calculus |
| 20:57.25 | shouryuu | I just have 2 hours of IT tomorow and need a way to kill time |
| 20:57.44 | shouryuu | wanted to make a program to calculate exp(x) with that series |
| 20:57.51 | shouryuu | I guess it'll only be an approximation |
| 20:57.54 | krka | yes |
| 20:58.01 | krka | exp(3) is irrational, afaik |
| 20:58.33 | krka | if you want an exact representation, it would be "exp(3)" |
| 20:58.47 | shouryuu | yeah I guess :p |
| 20:58.50 | Iriel | well, it's always an approximation anyway, without arbitrary precision math and infinite computing power 8-) |
| 20:58.56 | shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:59.09 | shouryuu | my IT lab doesn't not have infinite computing power |
| 20:59.13 | shouryuu | comps there are just |
| 20:59.13 | shouryuu | wow |
| 20:59.18 | Iriel | Assuming your summed terms are always getting smaller, you'd want something like... |
| 20:59.35 | shouryuu | if sum < some small number then stop |
| 20:59.41 | Iriel | local newsum = sum + pow(x,i)/fac(i); if (newsum == sum) then break; else sum=newsum; end |
| 20:59.48 | shouryuu | yeah I guess |
| 21:00.08 | shouryuu | that's as close to exp(3) i could get with my super computing power |
| 21:00.20 | Iriel | that's as close to exp(3) as you could REPRESENT |
| 21:00.25 | Iriel | regardless of how much power you have |
| 21:00.39 | krka | java bigdecimal FTW! |
| 21:00.58 | Iriel | well, you're back to 'infinite computing power' there krka 8-) |
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| 21:01.22 | krka | indeed |
| 21:01.30 | Iriel | Anyone got 1.9 up at the moment? |
| 21:01.40 | Iriel | I'd like to test the claims made in that font color thread |
| 21:01.55 | shouryuu | well I'm as close to exp(3) as the decimal precision of my computer allows me... |
| 21:02.17 | Iriel | binary precision, to be pedantic |
| 21:02.21 | Beladona | I can get it up Iriel |
| 21:02.27 | Iriel | (ooer), cool |
| 21:02.27 | Beladona | that didn't sound right |
| 21:02.42 | Guillotine | haha |
| 21:02.49 | Tain | I keep getting tells asking where my Mini Diablo came from. |
| 21:02.57 | Codayus | heh |
| 21:03.01 | Iriel | i'd like to see if someFontString:SetTextColor(1,0.8,0.6,0.4) followed by /dump someFontString:GetTextColor() |
| 21:03.06 | Iriel | Tain: I got a ton of those on Draka also |
| 21:03.11 | Tain | I tell them it's a special quest and I can't say where or I'll lose it. |
| 21:03.18 | Iriel | I think it's people who're new to wow and didn't know about the collectors edition |
| 21:03.20 | Iriel | You're mean! |
| 21:03.23 | Codayus | lol |
| 21:03.28 | Tain | Actually I didn't tell anyone that. |
| 21:03.31 | Beladona | working on it now |
| 21:03.31 | Tain | But I wanted to! |
| 21:03.35 | Ktron|zzz | Tain: you should |
| 21:04.05 | Tain | Actually Iriel I couldn't even remember if it was from the collector's edition or a gift from beta, or from pre-order, or what. |
| 21:04.13 | Iriel | It was collectors ed |
| 21:04.29 | krka | is that attached to the account so that that all toons on the account can get a mini-diablo? |
| 21:04.33 | Iriel | yup |
| 21:04.34 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 21:04.40 | Tain | Or Zergling, or Panda |
| 21:04.40 | krka | cool |
| 21:04.40 | Iriel | Well, a choice of Diablo/Zergling/Panda |
| 21:04.43 | Iriel | one per character |
| 21:04.48 | Iriel | I wish they'd done that with Murky |
| 21:04.48 | kremonte | panda! |
| 21:05.00 | Codayus | yeah, it's nice |
| 21:05.02 | Tain | The Panda is cute, he takes naps on you. |
| 21:05.09 | krka | hm, i wonder if i could sweet talk slouken into giving me a ling |
| 21:05.23 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:05.40 | kremonte | i wnat a panda :'( |
| 21:05.46 | Codayus | Really glad they didn't limit it to one char like most beta/collectors ed stuff tends to be in my experience. |
| 21:05.54 | krka | i want the sexual harrassment panda! |
| 21:06.06 | Codayus | then they limited urky to one char. :-( |
| 21:06.12 | Codayus | er, murky |
| 21:06.21 | krka | murky? |
| 21:06.25 | krka | murky the murloc? |
| 21:07.07 | Codayus | yeah? |
| 21:07.12 | Tain | Yeah you got Murky if you went into the "special" room at Blizzcon. But oh the price you had to pay.. |
| 21:07.43 | Codayus | It's the airfare which got me. :-( |
| 21:07.50 | krka | ich bin murky, das kleine murlochen... |
| 21:07.56 | Codayus | That was a bit much of a price to pay. |
| 21:08.00 | Codayus | *sigh* |
| 21:08.02 | Iriel | I dunno, Murky is cute |
| 21:08.09 | Iriel | and he does his dance routine |
| 21:08.13 | Iriel | which still cracks me up |
| 21:08.37 | Codayus | Heh, if I had got a murky, I'd probably be still trying to decide which char to use him on. |
| 21:10.00 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:10.43 | Beladona | Iriel: can I get the dump into a copy paste format? |
| 21:11.18 | Iriel | Beladona : Err, probably not.. but does it match the order of the Set ? |
| 21:11.29 | Iriel | that's really all I'm interested in, if the field order changes |
| 21:11.39 | Beladona | yes |
| 21:11.45 | Beladona | it matches |
| 21:11.52 | Iriel | so r,g,b,a in and r,g,b,a out ? |
| 21:11.57 | Beladona | aye |
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| 21:12.47 | Iriel | cool, thanks. 8-) |
| 21:13.03 | Beladona | np, is this to debunk something someone said? |
| 21:13.57 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=279018 |
| 21:14.43 | Iriel | I think Cair confused some issues we had with Sea being utterly broken with respect to colors, to a conversation about GetTextColor |
| 21:14.51 | Iriel | But it was worth being sure 8-) |
| 21:15.11 | Beladona | the first poster is slightly right about the numbers |
| 21:15.24 | Iriel | Yes, they're not 'clean' |
| 21:15.27 | Beladona | they didn't dump exact 1.0, etc... |
| 21:15.29 | Beladona | aye |
| 21:16.03 | Iriel | It's because they're mapped to 0-255 values internally |
| 21:16.07 | Iriel | 1 comes out clean, 0 comes out clean |
| 21:16.11 | Iriel | > return 128/255 |
| 21:16.13 | Iriel | 0.50196078431373 |
| 21:16.16 | Beladona | aye |
| 21:16.29 | Beladona | thats why I usually use the 128/255 format when I set colors |
| 21:17.16 | Beladona | it makes more sense to me when I am trying to match an exact color value |
| 21:17.33 | Iriel | well, if you pass back in what you get out, it'll work anyway |
| 21:18.09 | Beladona | yeah |
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| 21:20.29 | Tcl70 | sry for noob question but where i can learn all about making addons for wow ??? |
| 21:20.49 | Ktron | wowwiki.com |
| 21:20.52 | Ktron | or the UI forum |
| 21:20.59 | Ktron | ~noob |
| 21:21.00 | purl | it has been said that noob is just what someone is before their a pro |
| 21:21.10 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 21:21.15 | Beladona | I dont agree |
| 21:21.33 | MoonWolf | why not ? |
| 21:21.40 | Beladona | I view a noob as someone that doesn't get the answer to a question even after it is recieved |
| 21:21.46 | Tain | For one thing it's "they're" not "their" |
| 21:22.27 | shouryuu | zomg |
| 21:22.29 | Beladona | everyone is NEW to something before they knew it. a Newb is someone that doesn't get it even after being exposed to the answer |
| 21:22.30 | shouryuu | grammar polize! |
| 21:22.40 | shouryuu | I disagree bela |
| 21:22.41 | Tain | You bet. |
| 21:22.59 | shouryuu | that would just be an idiot |
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| 21:23.06 | Beladona | they are similar |
| 21:23.11 | Codayus | Hmm, do you draw a distinction between newb and noob? |
| 21:23.12 | shouryuu | not to me :p |
| 21:23.18 | shouryuu | there is non |
| 21:23.28 | shouryuu | *none |
| 21:23.45 | Beladona | so if someone new to mmorpg games in general, asks you how to change their resolution, you would call them a noob? |
| 21:23.51 | Tain | To me it's more someone who doesn't want to even try to find out an answer themselves, they want it given to them. |
| 21:24.01 | Tain | I would, Beladona. |
| 21:24.09 | Guillotine_ | newb = newbie = someone thats new at it. noob = someone that either doesnt understand it the first time or refuses to try to figure anything out themselves = shouryuu |
| 21:24.17 | Tain | Things like that you should be able to find easily on your own. |
| 21:24.18 | Beladona | people sling that term around way too much |
| 21:24.21 | shouryuu | sorry guil :( |
| 21:24.25 | Beladona | and it often doesn't apply |
| 21:24.27 | Guillotine_ | hehe :P |
| 21:24.45 | Tain | I don't actually use it at all, except occasionally in jest with friends. |
| 21:24.56 | Guillotine | me too |
| 21:24.57 | Beladona | example: we had someone in a group the other night in RFC |
| 21:25.04 | Beladona | the tank |
| 21:25.06 | Tain | It's yet another in the long list of stupid made up terms. |
| 21:25.12 | Beladona | when he got hit he would run |
| 21:25.16 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:25.17 | Guillotine | lol |
| 21:25.17 | Beladona | I kept telling him to stop |
| 21:25.19 | Codayus | I'd probably call them a newb, not a noob. I tend to make Guillotine's distinction. And I'd rarely call them either, except in jest... |
| 21:25.28 | Beladona | he kept yelling for help |
| 21:25.30 | Codayus | ...but I call myself a newb all the time. :-) |
| 21:25.35 | Beladona | I told him i can't heal him if he runs out of range |
| 21:25.43 | Beladona | finally I kicked him and called him a noob |
| 21:25.50 | Beladona | that is my definition |
| 21:25.55 | shouryuu | yeah true |
| 21:26.01 | shouryuu | But |
| 21:26.03 | Guillotine | right. i usually just use it in jest. like calling shouryuu a noob. or codayus. or Beladona. or tain. or kremonte. or krka. or just about anyone else |
| 21:26.07 | shouryuu | when I look back at my first warrior |
| 21:26.10 | shouryuu | I just cry |
| 21:26.10 | kremonte | a noob is someone that is stupid but thinks the contrary |
| 21:26.20 | Beladona | good |
| 21:26.21 | shouryuu | he's lvl 40 and wears leather boots |
| 21:26.27 | Guillotine | haha |
| 21:26.28 | Beladona | and doesn't take criticism or correction |
| 21:26.28 | shouryuu | I would behave like that |
| 21:26.36 | kremonte | agreed, bela |
| 21:26.53 | Codayus | Heh, I was running uldaman on my priest, and there was a mage who ran if he got agro. |
| 21:27.02 | shouryuu | but know most people consider me as a good healer with my priest |
| 21:27.07 | shouryuu | I just learned the game that's all |
| 21:27.09 | Beladona | my first char ever in MMORPG games sucked, but I learned and picked up quickly |
| 21:27.09 | kremonte | shouryuu |
| 21:27.11 | Codayus | Ran *OUT* of line of sight, AROUND a corner, and INTO the next grop of mobs. |
| 21:27.12 | kremonte | why are you a troll priest |
| 21:27.15 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:27.15 | Guillotine | lol. tcl asks us for a place to learn lua and what we give him is a conversation on noob vs. newb |
| 21:27.22 | shouryuu | cod - lol |
| 21:27.23 | Beladona | by that I would venture to say I didn't play like a n00b |
| 21:27.28 | shouryuu | haha |
| 21:27.31 | Codayus | After the 3rd time, I either left or kicked him. Can't recall which. |
| 21:27.52 | Beladona | we need a comic |
| 21:27.58 | Guillotine | I hate it whent he healers run when they get hit... theres no point. mobs cant miss and it just makes it harder to pull aggro off of them |
| 21:27.59 | Beladona | newb vs n00b |
| 21:28.01 | Codayus | I'd beg himnot to.. But he'd get aggro, and try and shake it by running. :-( |
| 21:28.30 | Codayus | Heh, or people who run TOWARDS the hunter in a raid, hoping the hunter will get it off them. |
| 21:28.34 | Beladona | Guill, a good healer can heal himself, or move a mob in position to switch aggro to the warrior |
| 21:28.58 | Guillotine | Beladona: right. the problem is when the healer runs away or in circles |
| 21:29.00 | Ktron | we should make an addon called 'n00bfixer' that automatically prevents people from running if they have aggro |
| 21:29.03 | Beladona | yeah |
| 21:29.07 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:29.08 | kremonte | Ktron - lol |
| 21:29.11 | Beladona | better yet |
| 21:29.13 | Guillotine | I could do that |
| 21:29.20 | Codayus | Dude, stand in the deadzone, and you aren't going to get a distracting shot. That's why its the DEAEDzone, k? |
| 21:29.21 | Beladona | and addon taht takes commands like /noob PlayerName |
| 21:29.24 | Ktron | then make it popular |
| 21:29.30 | Beladona | after several of those they get auto kicked |
| 21:29.36 | Beladona | and can never be reinvited |
| 21:29.43 | kremonte | yes Codayus, the DEAEDzone |
| 21:29.46 | Ktron | then add in a secret keyword, that when spoken by the opposing faction causes then to not attack either |
| 21:29.52 | Guillotine | haha |
| 21:29.54 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:30.12 | Codayus | Of course, sometimes peopleon't run when they should. |
| 21:30.12 | Guillotine | Cide should put something into CTRA that doesn't let you attack a player named "Cide" if you're on his server |
| 21:30.18 | kremonte | lol |
| 21:30.20 | Ktron | we can run up and 'thwack', they can't move, say gotcha and they stop fighting |
| 21:30.21 | Codayus | *mutters something about the garr fight* |
| 21:30.30 | kremonte | what's the way to get the server besides the cvar? |
| 21:30.41 | Codayus | Exploding minions in the healer camp FTL. |
| 21:30.48 | Ktron | even better |
| 21:30.55 | kremonte | Codayus- lol, 2 days ago garr fight was jest |
| 21:31.06 | kremonte | one of the minions exploded in the middle of 3 mages |
| 21:31.08 | Guillotine | kremonte: GetRealmName(); |
| 21:31.10 | Ktron | CTRA should just, you know, intentionally screw up raid combat if the guild is on a boss ahead of the CTRA guild |
| 21:31.10 | krka | damn it, someone used my name, i scroll up to see, and then it wasn't anything important :/ |
| 21:31.14 | kremonte | and they all ice blocked in tandem 20 feet in the air |
| 21:31.21 | Codayus | Flying mages! Yay! |
| 21:31.26 | kremonte | no. FLOATING mages. |
| 21:31.37 | kremonte | blocks of ice stuck in the air ._.; |
| 21:31.45 | Guillotine | lol krka. that was me, wasn't it? |
| 21:31.50 | Codayus | LOL |
| 21:32.00 | Ktron | heh, IRC is ridiculous like that |
| 21:32.14 | pur1 | ah ha! |
| 21:32.17 | kremonte | FUCKER |
| 21:32.19 | pur1 | I'm a bot! |
| 21:32.19 | Codayus | sorry, I'm a bit laged here. going through a tunnnel or something |
| 21:32.22 | kremonte | ~whaleslap pur1 |
| 21:32.23 | purl | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap pur1 over the head with it..... |
| 21:32.29 | kremonte | ~whaleslap Ktron |
| 21:32.31 | purl | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap Ktron over the head with it..... |
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| 21:33.05 | Guillotine | she joined while she was asleep! |
| 21:33.08 | kremonte | crap Cair|sleep is here |
| 21:33.12 | *** mode/#WoWI-lounge [+o Cair] by ChanServ |
| 21:33.14 | Guillotine | quick! stop taling about emu servers and all the other illegal stuff |
| 21:33.20 | kremonte | Guillotine shhh dammit |
| 21:33.26 | Guillotine | oh. oops |
| 21:33.35 | Guillotine | hi cair |
| 21:33.43 | Beladona | hi Cair |
| 21:33.50 | Cair | Hey Bela |
| 21:33.56 | Cair | *ignores the trolls* |
| 21:34.01 | Guillotine | you say hi to bela but not to me :'( |
| 21:34.11 | Guillotine | I'm a night elf. Shouryuus the troll |
| 21:34.14 | shouryuu | what did I do? |
| 21:34.16 | shouryuu | bully |
| 21:34.20 | shouryuu | there we go again |
| 21:34.20 | Ktron | purl, defend me |
| 21:34.22 | purl | ACTION defends ktron valiantly against the Channel. |
| 21:34.23 | Guillotine | no. you're a troll |
| 21:34.27 | shouryuu | everyone is picking on *me* |
| 21:34.29 | Guillotine | like a troll priest |
| 21:34.39 | Guillotine | im a night elf druid |
| 21:34.46 | Guillotine | n00b |
| 21:34.46 | shouryuu | purl, stab ktron |
| 21:34.47 | purl | ACTION runs at ktron with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 21:34.49 | shouryuu | newb |
| 21:34.59 | Ktron | purl, nmo |
| 21:35.02 | Ktron | purl, no |
| 21:35.05 | purl | YES |
| 21:35.05 | Guillotine | :0 caaaair. shouryuu called me a noob |
| 21:35.05 | Ktron | purl, defend me |
| 21:35.08 | purl | ACTION defends ktron valiantly against the Channel. |
| 21:35.08 | shouryuu | Ahaha! double crossed by your ally it seems |
| 21:35.17 | Guillotine | purl, yes |
| 21:35.19 | purl | You don't say! |
| 21:35.19 | Guillotine | purl, maybe so |
| 21:35.24 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:35.25 | kremonte | purl, kill Guillotine |
| 21:35.26 | purl | ACTION shoots a positrino gun at Guillotine |
| 21:35.29 | shouryuu | haha |
| 21:35.34 | Guillotine | oh boy! a positrino gun! |
| 21:35.36 | Beladona | going home soon, if you are up for some playing Cair |
| 21:35.37 | Ktron | purl, lart kremonte |
| 21:35.40 | Guillotine | i heard their good with garlic |
| 21:35.44 | kremonte | ~lart Ktron |
| 21:35.47 | Beladona | also, updated version of the xp bar is up |
| 21:35.54 | Cair | already downloaded |
| 21:35.56 | Cair | ;) |
| 21:35.58 | Beladona | cool |
| 21:36.05 | Beladona | gonna tweak it some more later |
| 21:36.10 | Ktron | I'm not a troll in here! pshshsh |
| 21:36.12 | Beladona | not happy with the casting bar background |
| 21:36.12 | Cair | *nod* |
| 21:36.22 | Ktron | KtronFrame:Hide() |
| 21:36.37 | Cair | that's okay, you guys laugh now |
| 21:36.44 | Cair | you won't be laughing later |
| 21:36.52 | shouryuu | ./cower? |
| 21:36.56 | Guillotine | yup |
| 21:36.58 | Cair | Guillotine: posting in that thread was a really stupid move |
| 21:37.04 | Guillotine | cair: why? |
| 21:37.05 | kremonte | what thread? |
| 21:37.06 | Ktron | KtronFrame:Show() why? |
| 21:37.16 | Guillotine | what thread? |
| 21:37.18 | Beladona | the one about the link spoofing |
| 21:37.27 | Guillotine | why was it stupid? |
| 21:37.32 | Cair | he already told you guys that if it got out there, they'd have to lock it down |
| 21:37.43 | Beladona | what she said |
| 21:37.43 | Guillotine | it already has |
| 21:37.44 | kremonte | Cair, we didn't release anything |
| 21:37.52 | Beladona | it doesn't matter |
| 21:37.54 | kremonte | other people found out how |
| 21:37.55 | Beladona | people know about it |
| 21:38.00 | Beladona | and will try to do it themselves |
| 21:38.05 | kremonte | so posting in the thread did nothing really |
| 21:38.19 | Cair | you guys just added fuel to the fire by admitting that it is real, not just a photoshopped image |
| 21:38.20 | Beladona | its gonna get locked down |
| 21:38.25 | Guillotine | give me link |
| 21:38.28 | Guillotine | ill delete my thread |
| 21:38.31 | Guillotine | my post i mean |
| 21:38.37 | Cair | and that you can make an actual addon that can do it |
| 21:38.38 | Guillotine | i can't find it now |
| 21:38.38 | Beladona | its been up too long lol |
| 21:38.46 | Cair | it's been responded to, and quoted |
| 21:38.55 | Guillotine | uh oh |
| 21:39.01 | Guillotine | well, it needs to be locked down anyway |
| 21:39.04 | Cair | the *smart* move would have been to say "nice photoshop" |
| 21:39.04 | kremonte | Cair - by whom except the OP? |
| 21:39.09 | Guillotine | ive seen ppl on my server exploiting it like i said |
| 21:39.33 | Beladona | the other thing that could have been done would be to prove it is possible, then report it to slouken |
| 21:39.44 | Guillotine | we did |
| 21:39.47 | kremonte | Beladona - slouken knows |
| 21:39.48 | Cair | oh, they did that Bela |
| 21:39.52 | Beladona | ahh ok |
| 21:39.54 | Guillotine | I did it before anything else |
| 21:39.54 | Cair | via me |
| 21:40.03 | Ktron | slouken basically said to fix it would cause a lot of lag, so we're avoiding it |
| 21:40.04 | Guillotine | the moment I figured out it was possible I emailed it to cair |
| 21:40.05 | Cair | yup, you did, and kudos to you for that |
| 21:40.06 | Beladona | someone found out somehow though |
| 21:40.14 | Ktron | and don't abuse your knowledge |
| 21:40.15 | Guillotine | lots of ppl somehow |
| 21:40.27 | Ktron | Guillotine: lots of people figured it out? |
| 21:40.34 | Ktron | Guillotine: or were they relinking your links? |
| 21:40.35 | Cair | anyway, I wasn't *really* yelling at yuo |
| 21:40.37 | Cair | you* |
| 21:40.40 | Guillotine | no, those were original |
| 21:40.53 | Guillotine | not mine or kremonte's |
| 21:40.55 | Cair | just pointing out that responding in the manner you did wasn't the brightest move |
| 21:41.02 | Guillotine | ya. i see that now >_< |
| 21:41.07 | Beladona | whats done is done |
| 21:41.15 | kremonte | you nub Guillotine! nooob!!!!!1 learn2play!! |
| 21:41.16 | Beladona | it will likely get locked down in 1.10 |
| 21:41.23 | Guillotine | as it needs to |
| 21:41.24 | Cair | mostly it was just a way to pick at ya ;) |
| 21:41.27 | Guillotine | people are starting to exploit it |
| 21:41.28 | shouryuu | well I guess we could just all post saying that what guillotine said is inane crap and can't be done |
| 21:41.30 | shouryuu | buttttt |
| 21:41.48 | kremonte | yeah, i'll post that i don't know anything |
| 21:41.50 | Beladona | picking at it only makes it fester |
| 21:41.51 | kremonte | and that Guillotine is insane |
| 21:42.08 | Iriel | Presumably if they just did a client side check against the item cache and D/C you if you violate it, it'd make spoofing MUCH more difficult. |
| 21:42.16 | Iriel | without increasing server lag |
| 21:42.18 | Cair | Bela, I'll probably be up for playing at some point or another. Currently still trying to wake up |
| 21:42.27 | Beladona | kk no hurry |
| 21:42.30 | Tain | Just the fact that people saw that it was out there would make someone dupicate it. |
| 21:42.34 | Beladona | still got 20 or so minutes to go here |
| 21:42.49 | Ktron | They must have been tricksy people though |
| 21:42.52 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=Beladona@josephpartners.com) |
| 21:42.52 | Cair | and decide whether I can figure out a way to avoid breathing |
| 21:42.55 | Ktron | its not _that_ easy to do |
| 21:43.12 | Tain | Remember, there's always someone smarter than you out there. ;) |
| 21:43.23 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=Beladona@josephpartners.com) |
| 21:43.23 | *** mode/#WoWI-lounge [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 21:43.26 | Cair | just to *really* be a tease though ... I know what *all* the digits are for ;) |
| 21:43.28 | Beladona | weird |
| 21:43.38 | Tain | I know what they're for too. |
| 21:43.41 | Beladona | I don't know what key combo I hit but it dumped the chat window |
| 21:43.44 | Cair | not those digits :p |
| 21:43.50 | Tain | This little piggie goes to market |
| 21:43.58 | Ktron | anyone with a link to the link spoofing thread? |
| 21:44.08 | Guillotine | I deleted my post |
| 21:44.09 | Tain | I spoofed a link to the link spoofing thread |
| 21:44.23 | Guillotine | now we have to pretend the OP is crazy and came up with that quote out of nowhere |
| 21:44.29 | Cair | leave it alone |
| 21:44.30 | Cair | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=278754&p=1&tmp=1#post278754 |
| 21:44.37 | Guillotine | i know |
| 21:44.39 | Guillotine | let it fall |
| 21:44.44 | shouryuu | doooowwwnnn |
| 21:44.51 | Tain | You mean no stealth bumping? |
| 21:44.55 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:44.57 | shouryuu | poor Cair :p |
| 21:44.59 | Guillotine | no bumping at ALL |
| 21:45.03 | kremonte | Iriel - sorry, semi afk, but [Iriel] Presumably if they just did a client side check against the item cache and D/C you if you violate it, it'd make spoofing MUCH more difficult. would not work completely |
| 21:45.10 | kergoth | stealth bumping sounds dirty |
| 21:45.17 | Guillotine | kergoth: it is |
| 21:45.20 | Guillotine | oh. it is |
| 21:45.22 | Beladona | bad think is, you deleted your post, and no one can know who posted it, BUT it has kremonte's name right there |
| 21:45.22 | Iriel | NO, it wouldn't work completely |
| 21:45.23 | kremonte | Iriel - enchant ID's would still be possible though easily remedied, as well as the of-the-animal things, which i'm not sure |
| 21:45.26 | Iriel | but it would work well ENOUGH |
| 21:45.40 | Guillotine | Beladona. good. only kremonte is incriminated :) |
| 21:45.45 | shouryuu | haha |
| 21:45.46 | kremonte | Guillotine - f you |
| 21:45.53 | shouryuu | feel the love! |
| 21:45.58 | Ktron | heh, we could pretend something |
| 21:45.59 | Cair | speaking of bumping, stealth or otherwise, don't expect to see much of me when hubby gets home ;) |
| 21:45.59 | Guillotine | kremonte - i love you too :) |
| 21:46.00 | Tain | Man, that was a pretty zeeg thing to say though. |
| 21:46.07 | Ktron | like, pretend that spoofing new links is impossible |
| 21:46.08 | kremonte | Guillotine - no, f you |
| 21:46.13 | Ktron | and that it was possible before 1.6 |
| 21:46.18 | Ktron | and that hte links have been kicking around |
| 21:46.18 | Guillotine | :'( |
| 21:46.22 | Iriel | But again, you shouldn't be linking an item you dont 'have' |
| 21:46.35 | Ktron | Iriel: databases? |
| 21:46.38 | Iriel | What I suspect the crackdown will result in, is that ALL linking of items you haven't seen that play session will be gone. |
| 21:46.42 | Tain | You can (or could?) link from like Lootlink, can't you? |
| 21:46.47 | shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:46.52 | Iriel | goodbye lootlink, etc |
| 21:46.53 | kremonte | ugh Iriel, that would really suck |
| 21:46.56 | Cair | Ktron: better to just let that particular thread die, if possible |
| 21:46.58 | Guillotine | they better not... |
| 21:47.04 | Beladona | my fear is that links will get locked down as such taht you will NOT be able to link an item you don't have. YOu can recieve links, but not relink them |
| 21:47.05 | Iriel | Of course, maybe not.. we'll see |
| 21:47.08 | Tain | And it's all your fault, Guillotine |
| 21:47.11 | Iriel | but that's my guess |
| 21:47.20 | Guillotine | tain- dont remind everyone :'( |
| 21:47.20 | Iriel | it'd have the least impact on the servers |
| 21:47.24 | kremonte | that would suck tbh |
| 21:47.29 | Ktron | Cair: I guess that's a /agree from me, but I'm sure there's enough people in here we can conspire a cover up |
| 21:47.29 | Beladona | relinker, lootlink, all that, would die |
| 21:47.36 | kremonte | wouldnt be able to see stats of items i want |
| 21:47.40 | Tain | It's not every day that someone gets to effect widepsread changes in a game! |
| 21:47.41 | Iriel | well, you could relink links you'd seen that session |
| 21:47.48 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:47.49 | Beladona | right |
| 21:47.52 | Guillotine | hey, hopefully it will go unnoticed |
| 21:48.04 | shouryuu | we just have to let it die |
| 21:48.05 | Guillotine | looks like it has so far except for the author |
| 21:48.05 | Beladona | knowing slouken, it is already being checked into |
| 21:48.11 | kremonte | :( |
| 21:48.13 | Ktron | Anyone know Syd? |
| 21:48.14 | Guillotine | it was before |
| 21:48.16 | MoonWolf | no more linking fun 1.9 then |
| 21:48.20 | Cair | it was before |
| 21:48.30 | Beladona | nah it won't be in 1.9 |
| 21:48.30 | Ktron | Like, could get Syd to say it was a photoshop? heh |
| 21:48.32 | Guillotine | slouken was the first to know about it (well, after cair) |
| 21:48.32 | Cair | I was just picking on them |
| 21:48.34 | Tain | I bet it delays 1.9 even longer just to change the linking stuff. |
| 21:48.43 | shouryuu | Syd? |
| 21:48.45 | Beladona | I believe 1.9 was frozen |
| 21:48.51 | kremonte | frozen? |
| 21:48.55 | Tain | They can thaw it in the microwave pretty quickly. |
| 21:48.58 | Beladona | as in no more major changes |
| 21:48.59 | Iriel | I HOPE 1.9 was frozen, even though I haven't fully fixed my addons yet |
| 21:48.59 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:48.59 | Ktron | shouryuu: the guy who started the thread and posted the screenshot |
| 21:49.00 | Cair | actually, Slouken et al knew about it long before you Guillotine, obviously ;) |
| 21:49.01 | kremonte | mm |
| 21:49.01 | Tain | Like 5 minutes on medium. |
| 21:49.07 | Guillotine | cair: true |
| 21:49.15 | Iriel | link abuse has been going on, in limited forms, for a long time |
| 21:49.25 | Iriel | but it does seem to be getting worse |
| 21:49.26 | krka | how can links be abused? |
| 21:49.27 | Guillotine | he was the first to know one of us had figured it out though |
| 21:49.27 | Cair | Iriel: think you missed this the other day |
| 21:49.28 | shouryuu | well if he keep son bumping I guess we could make a char on his serv and try to talk to him |
| 21:49.29 | kremonte | IMO, the only thing that *needs* to be changed |
| 21:49.33 | kremonte | is the of-the-animal crap |
| 21:49.37 | Cair | 1.9 will *not* be released tomorrow |
| 21:49.45 | Iriel | Oh.. I did miss that |
| 21:49.46 | kremonte | because then the ItemRef changes too, (aka Bla Bla of the Gorilla) |
| 21:49.54 | Cair | it's highly possible that it won't be out until *after* Christmas |
| 21:50.02 | Cair | or so a little birdy told me |
| 21:50.02 | Tain | But I like my monkies |
| 21:50.27 | Ktron | At least the thread is already on page 4 |
| 21:50.36 | Ktron | new plan-- everyone start like 10 threads each |
| 21:50.50 | Cair | krka: how can links be abused? someone figured out how to spoof links, and was selling the "items" |
| 21:50.54 | kremonte | o dam i hit my browzers back buton |
| 21:51.04 | Tain | Ok I'll start. "how can u make mods?!???sum 1 plz tll mee?!!" |
| 21:51.11 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:51.15 | shouryuu | I can troll If you want |
| 21:51.16 | Guillotine | lol |
| 21:51.23 | Guillotine | ok. everyone make lots of posts |
| 21:51.25 | Tain | Oh, yeah you're right. |
| 21:51.29 | Tain | That post is already up there. |
| 21:51.31 | shouryuu | take out the the threads on page 30 and answer them :P |
| 21:51.50 | Beladona | guys |
| 21:51.53 | Ktron | even better |
| 21:51.53 | Tain | Yeah find some other posts that people hoped would fall off to the last page. |
| 21:51.54 | Beladona | ..... |
| 21:51.57 | Guillotine | or take the oldest posts and say "this doesn't work anymore n00b" |
| 21:51.58 | Cair | and that, btw the way, is the more likely reason why they'll lock it down |
| 21:52.14 | Ktron | everyone photoshop pictures of non-existent UIs and ask people what they are |
| 21:52.18 | shouryuu | meh, let's just let it die, or talk to the guy |
| 21:52.25 | Tain | Don't talk to the guy. |
| 21:52.26 | shouryuu | ktron- lol |
| 21:52.41 | shouryuu | Well I mean we could just be honnest |
| 21:53.03 | kremonte | omg, i just got gkicked 6 times in under 1 minute |
| 21:53.04 | Tain | I still have a couple of screenshots of the original EverQuest interface. I'll put one up and ask, "What UI is this?" |
| 21:53.07 | Ktron | Yeah, if anyone knows Syd, if Syd's reasonable (which the thread doesn't look like it), then I'd say tell him to drop it, but otherwise, heh, don't let him know we're even thinking about it |
| 21:53.09 | kremonte | :'( |
| 21:53.20 | Iriel | lying about it being fixed will just cause a flurry of 'I just tested it and it still works' posts |
| 21:53.28 | Ktron | Iriel: that's true |
| 21:53.39 | Ktron | shouryuu: telling the truth will probably make it much worse |
| 21:53.43 | shouryuu | tell him that you can spoof links but if the method became widespread there is a possibility that you would only be able to link items ytou have, and none other |
| 21:53.46 | Tain | Ignore it. |
| 21:53.50 | kremonte | silence is the key, ignorance is bliss |
| 21:53.54 | shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:53.56 | Ktron | silence and trolling ftw |
| 21:54.00 | shouryuu | rrawrr |
| 21:54.02 | shouryuu | trolling I can |
| 21:54.03 | Tain | Slouken knows about it, there's nothing else you can do but make it worse. |
| 21:54.03 | Iriel | back to work for me |
| 21:54.06 | kremonte | rawr |
| 21:54.11 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 21:54.14 | Beladona | this channel is making my eyes hurt |
| 21:54.15 | shouryuu | Oh and we need to vote a measure |
| 21:54.25 | shouryuu | no answering to th edecursive of CTRA threads |
| 21:54.47 | Tain | But I got banned for using decursive |
| 21:54.51 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:54.58 | Tain | On my bot |
| 21:55.02 | Cair | btw, closing the vote on tabard icons today, moving to colour combinations |
| 21:55.21 | Cair | so if you haven't voted, and care, go vote |
| 21:55.28 | Ktron | ~tabard |
| 21:55.30 | purl | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2563 - vote for your tabard! |
| 21:55.37 | MoonWolf | someone should make better naming rules in GuildWars, its getting really out of hand. |
| 21:55.44 | Tain | ~wrench |
| 21:55.46 | purl | HaQDaQ wants to use apt-get agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain greycat> HaQDaQ: then do so. HaQDaQ> it doesn't work anymore... dependency erros : greycat> HaQDaQ: fix them. HaQDaQ> greycat: how ? greycat> HaQDaQ: with an apt wrench. Are you going to ask any more stupid questions? * HaQDaQ is linux n00b, and how to apt wrench ? HaQDaQ> greycat: how to apt wrench ? |
| 21:55.46 | MoonWolf | or my rp-pvp server has been spoiling me |
| 21:56.00 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 21:56.00 | purl | kergoth: :) |
| 21:56.04 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 21:56.05 | purl | It'll be a good chance to get away from the evil monkey that lives in my closet. |
| 21:56.24 | Tain | MoonWolf, have you seen the names in City of Heroes/Villians? |
| 21:56.31 | MoonWolf | no, never played it |
| 21:56.38 | Tain | There is no naming convention, apparently. |
| 21:56.39 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 21:56.41 | purl | I never knew anyone who went crazy before, except for my invisible friend, Col. Schwartz. |
| 21:57.08 | kremonte | yay, learned aquatic form^^ |
| 21:58.49 | krka | cair, so you can make the hover text from the trade window show the wrong item? |
| 21:59.22 | Cair | krka: people are stupid |
| 21:59.31 | Cair | they'd see the right shape and not check further |
| 21:59.36 | MoonWolf | no, you link a item you dont have and then you trade something that looks like it |
| 21:59.40 | MoonWolf | people far for it |
| 21:59.45 | krka | oh I see |
| 22:00.11 | Cair | and *that* is the reason that they'll end up locking it down |
| 22:00.38 | krka | how can they stop that kind of thing though? |
| 22:00.43 | krka | completely remove links? |
| 22:00.57 | kremonte | eeeerrrr that was wierd |
| 22:01.01 | krka | only be able to make links to stuff that you have on you? |
| 22:01.18 | Beladona | they may eventually have to change the entire linking mechanics |
| 22:01.20 | kremonte | as soon as i logged on to my main, i got a whisper from a level 40 warrior with [Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros of the STFU] |
| 22:01.34 | Beladona | or lock it down so you can't generate links via script |
| 22:02.11 | kremonte | that would still break LL, etc forever =/ |
| 22:02.17 | shouryuu | yeah |
| 22:02.19 | Beladona | aye |
| 22:02.22 | kremonte | but then, how would the default UI do it |
| 22:02.30 | shouryuu | spoofing links is a pain... |
| 22:02.30 | kremonte | that's just a big script too |
| 22:02.31 | shouryuu | it |
| 22:02.46 | Beladona | the default UI can access functions we don't have access to |
| 22:02.48 | shouryuu | it's a big problem and there seems to be no pratical solution to end it :( |
| 22:03.24 | kremonte | well, sending links isn't really a function =/ |
| 22:03.45 | Beladona | no,, but getting the data to link is |
| 22:03.56 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@204.128.192.8) |
| 22:03.59 | kremonte | hm? using \124? |
| 22:04.16 | Ktron | here, I'm going to save the day |
| 22:04.39 | Beladona | ninja monkeys? |
| 22:04.40 | shouryuu | question, who does the web design on WoWI? |
| 22:04.42 | shouryuu | lol |
| 22:04.49 | Cair | shouryuu: why? |
| 22:04.56 | shouryuu | my first guild was called "Suicidal monkey Death squad" |
| 22:05.06 | shouryuu | Because it's nice :D |
| 22:05.11 | Beladona | Cair, I do have a suggestion for Dolby, but I am gonna post it in staff section |
| 22:05.19 | Cair | Dolby and I work on it together |
| 22:05.27 | shouryuu | well good job :P |
| 22:05.29 | Ktron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=279065 |
| 22:05.31 | Cair | thanks |
| 22:05.56 | *** join/#wowi-lounge philr (n=phil@59.167.154.171) |
| 22:06.07 | Beladona | Guillotine, you here? |
| 22:06.16 | Guillotine | ya. im here |
| 22:06.24 | kremonte | http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingui6xm.jpg |
| 22:06.24 | kremonte | lol |
| 22:06.31 | shouryuu | lol ktron those are EQ mods? |
| 22:06.38 | Beladona | you remember where you psoted that O'RLY thing about the new race in wow? |
| 22:06.53 | Guillotine | ya |
| 22:06.59 | Guillotine | you want the link? |
| 22:07.04 | Ktron | no, it's mechwarrior |
| 22:07.04 | Beladona | please |
| 22:07.05 | Guillotine | am I in trouble for it? |
| 22:07.08 | Beladona | nono |
| 22:07.22 | shouryuu | lol |
| 22:07.36 | Guillotine | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2423 |
| 22:07.43 | Beladona | awesome, thanks |
| 22:08.05 | kremonte | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=279062&p=1&tmp=1#post279062 |
| 22:08.11 | kremonte | FLAME ALERT WEEOO WEEOOO GET THE HYDRANTS READY |
| 22:09.12 | End | hahaha. " wtf are you talking about" |
| 22:09.23 | Ktron | lol at the O RLY bird, that rocks |
| 22:09.36 | shouryuu | we need to either hijack that thread |
| 22:09.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RedcXe (i=L@cpe-72-225-160-49.si.res.rr.com) |
| 22:09.40 | shouryuu | or just let it die |
| 22:09.43 | shouryuu | I vote Hi jack |
| 22:09.45 | kremonte | HIJACK IT |
| 22:09.48 | kremonte | ok |
| 22:09.48 | shouryuu | so much more fun! |
| 22:09.49 | kremonte | topic? |
| 22:09.51 | Cair | which one? |
| 22:09.55 | kremonte | hmmm... |
| 22:09.58 | kremonte | let's talk about tennis |
| 22:10.02 | shouryuu | the ZOMG I GOT BANNED FOR USING A MOD |
| 22:10.03 | shouryuu | lol |
| 22:10.05 | Cair | | . |
| 22:10.14 | kremonte | i'll start |
| 22:10.19 | shouryuu | rrrawrr! |
| 22:10.21 | shouryuu | guillotine |
| 22:10.23 | Cair | ooooor |
| 22:10.26 | shouryuu | WoW UI needs you! |
| 22:10.31 | Cair | we could try being mature and just let it go |
| 22:10.35 | shouryuu | ahhh caiiirrrr |
| 22:10.40 | kremonte | damnit Cair |
| 22:10.43 | shouryuu | lol |
| 22:10.43 | krka | mat.... say whay? |
| 22:10.51 | Guillotine | shouryuu: I already posted on it :) |
| 22:10.56 | shouryuu | haha |
| 22:11.07 | Cair | I know, foreign concept, and extreme at that |
| 22:11.18 | krka | foreign concept + foreign language FTL! |
| 22:11.22 | kremonte | i posted =X |
| 22:11.41 | krka | me fail english? that's unpossible |
| 22:11.45 | shouryuu | lol guillotine nice |
| 22:11.55 | RedcXe | wowowowoow |
| 22:12.34 | Natasem | hey ya'll see the new crags list add posted in the OT forums? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-off-topic&t=1029675 |
| 22:12.53 | Guillotine | ROFL ktron. someone actually thinks its a real mod! |
| 22:13.05 | kremonte | LOL |
| 22:13.30 | Ktron | I told you |
| 22:13.36 | Ktron | GIMP FTW |
| 22:14.01 | Ktron | now the real challenge-- someone make it |
| 22:14.05 | kremonte | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=279062&s=new&tmp=1#new keep it going! |
| 22:14.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Verlaine (n=nicolass@77.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 22:14.28 | Verlaine | rarawr |
| 22:14.32 | kremonte | rawr |
| 22:14.39 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 22:15.18 | Verlaine | how do I kick my ghost again? |
| 22:15.18 | kremonte | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1362 |
| 22:15.20 | kremonte | hahahaha |
| 22:15.32 | Ktron | I like how the main chat of the image even, you know, talks about destroying turrets |
| 22:16.09 | Ktron | lol |
| 22:16.15 | Ktron | mine still is cooler |
| 22:16.35 | Verlaine | there still is a turret on the picture |
| 22:17.51 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=Beladona@josephpartners.com) |
| 22:18.06 | Guillotine | ok. who did http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=279082? |
| 22:18.07 | RedcXe | kremontee |
| 22:18.23 | Guillotine | or is that a real person? |
| 22:18.23 | Ktron | your link is breaking for me |
| 22:18.28 | kremonte | RedcXeeeee |
| 22:18.34 | Guillotine | get rid of the ? |
| 22:18.35 | RedcXe | i cant play wowzor |
| 22:18.35 | kremonte | theres a ? |
| 22:18.41 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=279082 |
| 22:18.58 | Guillotine | did someone do that or is it real? |
| 22:19.01 | kremonte | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah |
| 22:19.04 | Ktron | lol |
| 22:19.07 | Ktron | that kind of rocks |
| 22:19.14 | Ktron | It isn't me |
| 22:19.26 | Ktron | I made my 'distract the masses' thread already |
| 22:19.30 | Guillotine | kremonte? |
| 22:19.33 | Guillotine | shouryuu? |
| 22:19.47 | kremonte | i didnt |
| 22:19.50 | MoonWolf | link ? |
| 22:19.56 | kremonte | im looking at the thread that we're hijacking |
| 22:19.58 | Verlaine | not I |
| 22:19.59 | Guillotine | guess I might as well tell him we need a screenshot. this is a real person? |
| 22:20.45 | Cair | few of you could afford to read this http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=279086 if the shoe fits ... |
| 22:21.20 | kremonte | 'e more mature and helpful of the regulars are getting burned out tr' |
| 22:21.24 | kremonte | was that a crack at us? |
| 22:21.25 | kremonte | :( |
| 22:22.05 | RedcXe | wewewt |
| 22:22.17 | kremonte | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9roport_d'Orly |
| 22:22.38 | Guillotine | ok. who did it? now I know its a joke |
| 22:22.40 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=279082&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 22:23.03 | kremonte | rofl |
| 22:23.16 | Guillotine | lol. that was you kremonte? |
| 22:23.25 | kremonte | no hahaha |
| 22:23.28 | kremonte | i cant stop laughing at that |
| 22:23.30 | kremonte | the picture hahahahha |
| 22:24.07 | Guillotine | i have to admit, i really loled at that |
| 22:24.12 | Guillotine | but... |
| 22:24.26 | kremonte | i lmao'ed at that |
| 22:25.02 | RedcXe | i love paint |
| 22:26.15 | kremonte | was that you alex? :X |
| 22:26.42 | RedcXe | no l0lz |
| 22:27.10 | Stylpe | What's the bot command for converting units? |
| 22:27.21 | kremonte | huh Stylpe? |
| 22:27.30 | Stylpe | purl |
| 22:27.50 | Stylpe | She can convert different unit types, like inches to centimeters |
| 22:28.06 | kremonte | purl, 55 in to cm? |
| 22:28.13 | kremonte | i forgot what it was exactly orz |
| 22:28.44 | Stylpe | well, one inch is about 1,5 cm, right? |
| 22:28.46 | Stylpe | *2,5 |
| 22:28.49 | Iriel|afk | 2.54 |
| 22:29.04 | *** topic/#WoWI-lounge by Cair -> WoWI-Lounge. This is a *dev* channel. Don't spam the bot. No hassling Slouken about work. Get along or Get out. Beyond that, kick back, relax, have fun. |
| 22:30.17 | Verlaine | ohh a *dev* channel |
| 22:30.43 | Verlaine | rawr I feel special and fuzzy inside : |
| 22:30.45 | Verlaine | :p |
| 22:30.55 | Guillotine | cair: does this mean we can't be immature? or can we just be immature devs? |
| 22:31.10 | Guillotine | and what exactly was that in reference to? |
| 22:31.12 | Malivil | yes |
| 22:31.22 | Malivil | =-) |
| 22:31.31 | Guillotine | it wasn't a yes or no question >_< |
| 22:31.35 | Verlaine | lol |
| 22:31.37 | Malivil | i know |
| 22:31.38 | Cair | it means you guys really are pushing the limits, and I know a lot of the actual devs are getting tired of it and considering leaving the channel |
| 22:32.03 | Cair | it isn't immature joking around some times any more, it's freaking all the time |
| 22:33.09 | Verlaine | meh |
| 22:33.13 | Verlaine | time for beauty sleep |
| 22:34.01 | Osagasu | I just know there's no other place I can report bugs faster. because as much use forums are, they can be bloody slow. |
| 22:35.18 | krka | sorry cair! i'll try to be more serious |
| 22:36.48 | Natasem | brb need to slave out a bad hhd |
| 22:42.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Bela|AFK (n=Beladona@115-60.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 22:42.54 | *** mode/#WoWI-lounge [+o Bela|AFK] by ChanServ |
| 22:43.19 | Beladona | mm, hi guys |
| 22:43.45 | Cair | everyone is in hiding because they are afraid to say anything in case I go off on them again |
| 22:44.08 | Beladona | pwnd |
| 22:44.17 | Cair | Bela ... don't ... just don't |
| 22:45.39 | Osagasu | you didn't go off on me |
| 22:45.56 | Osagasu | because I use this channel the way it should be, with joking on the side. :P |
| 22:46.58 | Cair | screw it |
| 22:46.59 | Cair | Guillotine: hey cair, you mind if I start a channel (WoW-lounge) for those of us that just feel like messing around? kind of a sister channel to this one, but not meant to be serious |
| 22:46.59 | Cair | Cairenn: I'm just god damn tired of how immature you guys are acting. And you're doing it on the Blizz forums too. You're all really really disappointing me. I listen to the channel or read the forum these days, and I feel like I've fallen into the general forum and a .bnet kiddie channel |
| 22:46.59 | Cair | Cairenn: I don't mind joking around |
| 22:47.18 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:47.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cair (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:47.39 | *** mode/#WoWI-lounge [+o Cair] by ChanServ |
| 22:47.46 | Ktron | Cair: I just figure I should get back to working on my ui stuff and generate questions again before I hassle people on here |
| 22:48.06 | Cair | let me try that again, without getting kicked for flooding |
| 22:48.26 | Cair | Cairenn: I'm just god damn tired of how immature you guys are acting. And you're doing it on the Blizz forums too. You're all really really disappointing me. I listen to the channel or read the forum these days, and I feel like I've fallen into the general forum and a .bnet kiddie channel |
| 22:48.26 | Cair | Cairenn: I don't mind joking around |
| 22:48.26 | Cair | Cairenn: but ... god you guys, I just don't get you these days |
| 22:48.26 | Cair | Cairenn: you guys used to be helpful, but it's like someone came along and sucked out your brains or something |
| 22:48.28 | Cair | Cairenn: I just don't get it |
| 22:48.30 | Cair | Cairenn: I don't *like* being a cranky bitch |
| 22:48.32 | Cair | Cairenn: contrary to popular belief |
| 22:48.34 | Cair | Cairenn: but really, the way the conversation goes in channel 3/4 of the times these days ... I'd be embarassed to have anyone new join it |
| 22:48.37 | Cair | Cairenn: there are enough bnet kiddy channels out there |
| 22:48.39 | Cair | Cairenn: this was supposed to be an alternative |
| 22:48.41 | Cair | Cairenn: for, like, sensible conversation at least once in a while? |
| 22:48.45 | Cair | Cairenn: I *like* you guys |
| 22:48.47 | Cair | Cairenn: don't get me wrong |
| 22:48.49 | Cair | Cairenn: but damnit, what the hell is UP with you guys these days? |
| 22:48.51 | Cair | Cairenn: seriously |
| 22:48.53 | Cair | Cairenn: explain it to me |
| 22:48.55 | Cair | Cairenn: I'm trying to understand |
| 22:48.57 | Cair | Cairenn: I just don't get it |
| 22:48.59 | Cair | Guillotine: i guess we're just getting comfortable with each other. its cool to be able to talk in real-time with other ppl interested in programming the ui. i guess we'ere just over excited at the moment |
| 22:49.02 | Cair | Cairenn: but, see |
| 22:49.04 | Cair | Cairenn: I could *handle* that ... that's what it's *supposed* to be |
| 22:49.06 | Cair | Cairenn: except, it isn't |
| 22:49.08 | Cair | Cairenn: it's all 'l337 bullshit |
| 22:49.10 | Cair | Cairenn: I feel like I'm being a completely unreasonable cow |
| 22:49.12 | Cair | Cairenn: but fuck guys ... give me a break |
| 22:49.14 | Cair | Cairenn: if you want to act like a bunch of immature bnet script kiddies ... damnit ... I don't want to say this, I sure as hell don't want to do it ... but if you're gonna keep acting like that ... go somewhere else |
| 22:49.19 | Cair | there |
| 22:49.35 | Cair | and on that note, I'm taking a break so you can all bitch about how fucking unreasonable I am |
| 22:50.12 | Ratbert_CP | Heh... Unreasonable... My wife is 7 months pregnant, and Cair thinks *she's* unreasonable... |
| 22:51.52 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 22:51.53 | Beladona | I am going to log into Draka if anyone cares. But I have an eye on this channel if anyone needs anything |
| 22:52.23 | Beladona | this isn't new |
| 22:52.31 | Codayus | Then again, since I'm in the middle of finals, I haven't really had the time to do anything recently. |
| 22:52.48 | Malivil | I think i'm going to wander for a bit |
| 22:52.50 | Codayus | Except lurking. Lurking fits my schedule quite wel.. |
| 22:52.51 | Beladona | been wondering about it for at least the past week |
| 22:55.29 | Guillotine | does anyone know how to set up channels on IRC? When I try registering a channel, it says I'm not an op, but when I try to op myself, it says the channel isn't registered :/ |
| 22:55.49 | Ktron | Guillotine: I do, here, I'll pm you |
| 22:55.58 | Guillotine | ty :) |
| 22:56.15 | Iriel|afk | I'll note that I agree with Cair on the general quality of the forum, having purl here was the start of the degredation.. but it could juts be a time thing. |
| 22:56.32 | Iriel|afk | forum in the use as 'place where people meet', not the wow forum. |
| 22:57.03 | Guillotine | well, I just want to show that http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=279082&s=new&tmp=1#new wasn't any of us being immature. the OP reposted and forgot to change chars |
| 22:58.25 | Bela|WOW | its not that post Guill |
| 22:58.46 | Bela|WOW | this has been a constant thing every day for a while now |
| 22:58.59 | Bela|WOW | we even discussed moderating the channel at one point, although we hoped we didn't have to |
| 22:59.03 | Guillotine | I know |
| 22:59.32 | Guillotine | it seemed like that may have been the last straw though... so I was just pointing out that it wasn't us |
| 23:00.21 | krka | bots are almost always a bad idea |
| 23:00.55 | Bela|WOW | its not the bot that makes the channel |
| 23:02.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cera (i=user@c-69-181-62-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:02.25 | Guillotine | no, but it sure helps break it |
| 23:03.16 | krka | personally I have purl on ignore |
| 23:04.48 | Ktron | why are we blaming purl? |
| 23:04.56 | Ktron | I'm not seeing a purl comment for quite a while |
| 23:05.17 | Bela|WOW | its people overusing him. But that isn't what is making this channel immature |
| 23:06.46 | Osagasu | Well, in my experience, the mature people become doctors and lawyers (and such), whereas the immature people become theoretical physicists, and programmers. entirely serious about that too |
| 23:06.48 | krka | it's like giving fireworks to children, sure it's not the fireworks fault that someone gets burnt, but if they weren't there in the first place... |
| 23:07.14 | krka | s/immature/creative/ |
| 23:07.16 | Tain | If the children around here could control themselves there never would be a problem. |
| 23:07.28 | Bela|WOW | the immature things that were bothering us the most had nothing to do with purl |
| 23:07.46 | Bela|WOW | or people using him |
| 23:07.57 | Tain | Nah |
| 23:08.27 | krka | it's already tomorrow here after all |
| 23:08.32 | Bela|WOW | lol |
| 23:08.54 | Ktron | purl hasn't had a comment in over an hour |
| 23:09.07 | Bela|WOW | anyone remember why we put ChanServ in the op list? |
| 23:09.07 | Osagasu | krka, creative people are more likely to be immature, yet. ^^ |
| 23:09.12 | Bela|WOW | can't remember |
| 23:09.18 | Iriel|afk | We're talking about the last few DAYS, not necessarily just the last hour or two 8-) |
| 23:09.18 | Osagasu | *yes |
| 23:09.30 | Iriel|afk | There's a difference between 'joylessly serious' and 'mature' |
| 23:09.46 | Bela|WOW | let me put it this way |
| 23:09.59 | Tain | So that ChanServ can fix stuff. I can't remember specifically. But there was a good reason. |
| 23:10.01 | Iriel|afk | Just because someone's mature doesn't mean they can't have a laugh and have fun, but they know when, and how much, is appropriate |
| 23:10.05 | Bela|WOW | the way people act, in the past few days, had made me actually not want to be associated with this channel |
| 23:10.36 | Tain | That's an example, Kolth. |
| 23:10.44 | Kolth | Pardon? |
| 23:10.49 | Bela|WOW | ? |
| 23:10.57 | Osagasu | saying hi to someone isn't immature |
| 23:10.57 | Tain | Oh. You weren't waving goodbye? |
| 23:10.58 | Tain | heh |
| 23:10.58 | Kolth | Bela asked me to say when I got back. |
| 23:11.03 | Tain | My bad! |
| 23:11.05 | Bela|WOW | lol |
| 23:11.14 | Kolth | Silly. |
| 23:11.20 | Tain | Well that's how it looked! To me. |
| 23:11.22 | Bela|WOW | hey Kolth do you have a char on Draka? |
| 23:11.25 | Tain | And... me alone evidently. :) |
| 23:11.29 | Kolth | What might Draka be? |
| 23:11.32 | Bela|WOW | wow |
| 23:11.38 | Kolth | Oh, new server. |
| 23:11.39 | Kolth | Nope! |
| 23:11.47 | Bela|WOW | you know we have a guild there right |
| 23:11.50 | Bela|WOW | wowi |
| 23:11.51 | Kolth | Yarrrr |
| 23:11.57 | Kolth | You Alliance or Horde? |
| 23:12.04 | Bela|WOW | we have one on each, but I am on horde atm |
| 23:14.03 | Bela|WOW | anyway, guys. Don't be afraid to use this channel. Just because things got bad doesn't mean it can't get back to normal |
| 23:14.10 | Bela|WOW | just remember respect |
| 23:14.28 | Bela|WOW | and most of all, don't post things on the forums or elsewhere that would give us as a whole a bad image |
| 23:14.35 | Bela|WOW | etc... |
| 23:15.08 | Kolth | I'm lucky, I suppose. |
| 23:15.18 | Kolth | I seem to've missed all the "bad" and been here for the good. |
| 23:15.43 | Osagasu | I haven't really noticed it much |
| 23:17.45 | Bela|WOW | as a rule of thumb I try not to post anything on any forum unless I think that post would benefit someone in some way, other than me |
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| 23:21.19 | Cair|afk | Iriel|afk: There's a difference between 'joylessly serious' and 'mature' , Iriel|afk: Just because someone's mature doesn't mean they can't have a laugh and have fun, but they know when, and how much, is appropriate |
| 23:21.29 | Cair|afk | Thank you Iriel, nicely said |
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| 23:29.46 | Cair | and compass |
| 23:30.17 | Cair | ;) |
| 23:30.34 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 23:30.39 | Cair | *purr* |
| 23:33.21 | Tem | the hell... ? |
| 23:33.26 | Tem | The 1.10 thread is gone |
| 23:34.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-59-51-225.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 23:34.05 | Tem | hi cladhaire |
| 23:34.05 | cladhaire | Evening all |
| 23:34.05 | Cair | not a surprise, honestly, Tem |
| 23:34.05 | Tem | why? |
| 23:34.05 | Cair | given that it was turning into a "gimme this, gimme that" thread |
| 23:34.07 | Cair | instead of what it is supposed to be |
| 23:34.07 | Bela|WOW | SetTexture requires double slashes right? |
| 23:34.09 | Tem | oh, I didn't see that |
| 23:34.13 | Cair | hell ... *IRIEL* lost his temper |
| 23:34.20 | Cair | Iriel *never* loses his temper |
| 23:34.35 | Tem | Bela|WOW: if you are setting it in LUA you need to escape the "\" with another |
| 23:34.42 | Bela|WOW | ui community has been pretty assinine lately |
| 23:34.52 | Bela|WOW | and not talking about this channel specifically |
| 23:35.02 | Tem | so yeah, SetTexture needs double backslashes |
| 23:35.05 | cladhaire | Cair: I assume we're discussing the 1.10 thread? |
| 23:35.09 | Cair | aye cladhaire |
| 23:35.12 | Bela|WOW | thanks Tem |
| 23:35.20 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 23:35.20 | Cair | Tem was commenting on the fact that it has poofed |
| 23:35.40 | Bela|WOW | to be honest |
| 23:35.42 | Tem | I hadn't seen it in a few days so I wasn't aware of the nonsense that went on in it |
| 23:35.49 | Bela|WOW | I wouldn't mind those writeups being on wowiki |
| 23:35.53 | Bela|WOW | with no comments |
| 23:36.05 | Bela|WOW | you can always link to it in the forums |
| 23:36.10 | Bela|WOW | would allow a history of sorts too |
| 23:36.25 | Tem | aww, I can't make a post to say "yay" about new features? |
| 23:36.28 | Tem | >< |
| 23:36.42 | Bela|WOW | I am big on history |
| 23:36.50 | Bela|WOW | like no one could tell |
| 23:36.51 | Tem | History is a good thing |
| 23:37.09 | AnduinLothar | ya, i agree. they should be on the wiki anyway |
| 23:37.10 | Tem | especially code changes |
| 23:37.20 | Bela|WOW | the current format makes it hard to revisit older change threads |
| 23:37.27 | Bela|WOW | which I do sometimes |
| 23:38.44 | Iriel|afk | Damn, but I lost my item from it. |
| 23:39.19 | Bela|WOW | oops |
| 23:39.39 | Iriel|afk | That's double BACKslashes |
| 23:39.53 | Iriel|afk | Tem got to it before me 8-) |
| 23:40.12 | Cair | Bela|WOW: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5 |
| 23:40.13 | Cair | ;) |
| 23:40.37 | Bela|WOW | cool |
| 23:40.37 | Cair | although I agree, on the wiki as well would be benificial |
| 23:40.50 | Tem | Iriel|afk: that's a pretty long lag |
| 23:41.00 | Tem | you aren't in england already? |
| 23:41.13 | Bela|WOW | I may start linking to the wiki judiciously from wdn, if that is cool with irial |
| 23:41.16 | Bela|WOW | err Iriel |
| 23:43.04 | Iriel|afk | I think that'd be good, I dont have any ownership of the wiki, other than extended interest in making it the central repository of wow development knowledge |
| 23:43.21 | AnduinLothar | lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_responsibility |
| 23:43.24 | Iriel|afk | I've been deliberately trying to keep page names logical so that you CAN generate links. |
| 23:43.31 | AnduinLothar | i love the /.ed banner |
| 23:44.58 | iriel | Tem: Not in england until thursday (Well, I LEAVE thursday) |
| 23:45.21 | Tem | what day is it? |
| 23:45.25 | iriel | As for the lag, it's because I start typing something, then work comes up, and then I finish it and hit enter and THEN notice half a screen of text has happened. |
| 23:45.28 | Tem | is today monday? |
| 23:45.31 | Tem | ~today |
| 23:45.32 | purl | it has been said that monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 23:45.39 | iriel | Yes, today is monday. |
| 23:45.53 | Tem | finals are on |
| 23:46.09 | AnduinLothar | i believe vynn's the wiki owner. |
| 23:46.28 | AnduinLothar | he does some of my graphics sometimes |
| 23:53.25 | cladhaire | Oooh.. Satrina just finished an embed for adding Addon configuration to the PlayerPopup menu.. very sexy =) |
| 23:53.40 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 23:53.45 | AnduinLothar | sub dropdown? |
| 23:54.06 | cladhaire | Adds an "AddOn" config to the popup that he's consolidated all his addons there.. |
| 23:54.16 | cladhaire | similar to the myaddons concept.. but embedded.. and quite sexy |
| 23:54.17 | Bela|WOW | is there a link? |
| 23:54.35 | cladhaire | not yet.. he'll probaby yell at me for telling peopel already.. but its nice from what I've seen |
| 23:54.37 | cladhaire | Bela: hold on a sec |
| 23:54.41 | Bela|WOW | k |
| 23:54.49 | AnduinLothar | meh... seems like overpopulating an existing system, but w/e |
| 23:54.59 | cladhaire | ?? |
| 23:55.05 | cladhaire | There are five options on the menu as is it. |
| 23:55.09 | cladhaire | it is.. max options |
| 23:55.13 | cladhaire | how is that overpopulating? |
| 23:55.15 | Bela|WOW | hey, if it works, its easy, and people like it, who cares? |
| 23:55.50 | AnduinLothar | i'm not saying it's bad. just not my style. I usually plan for a plethora of options. for 5 it may be fine |
| 23:56.33 | cladhaire | Anduin: You're misunderstanding.. but thats fine.. its meant to open the GUI for your options.. at the moment. |
| 23:56.46 | AnduinLothar | ah, ok |
| 23:56.52 | cladhaire | And as Saien said.. if you don't have a GUI you're not an addon =) |
| 23:56.58 | AnduinLothar | right :) |
| 23:57.05 | AnduinLothar | ok, then that's fine |
| 23:57.26 | AnduinLothar | i was thinking having checkable options in a submenu of the player menu which would be near horrendous imo |
| 23:57.34 | cladhaire | oh yeah |
| 23:57.38 | cladhaire | that'd be a nightmare |
| 23:57.46 | Bela|WOW | I like the new options ui on test |
| 23:57.50 | cladhaire | Bela: I agree |
| 23:57.52 | Bela|WOW | may emulate it in my addons |
| 23:58.40 | cladhaire | not much has changed, but it looks so much nicer. |
| 23:58.57 | Bela|WOW | yeah |
| 23:58.59 | Bela|WOW | very |
| 23:59.02 | AnduinLothar | i'm all for dropdown options, but more than one level is asking for trouble. plus it needs to be in a ui element accociated with that addon... but for openning the config i spose as long as it's convinient and doesn't get in the way it's fine |
| 23:59.06 | Bela|WOW | its "simpler" |
| 23:59.33 | cladhaire | its not really that exciting.. or special... but i like the consistency it could provide. and the embed is tiny |
| 23:59.33 | cladhaire | http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2332/addon9gx.png |
| 23:59.37 | Bela|WOW | anyone know where I can find a BLP viewer / converter that works with alpha |
| 23:59.42 | AnduinLothar | it's in my todo list to export the Earth Feature frame to its own addon |
| 23:59.46 | Bela|WOW | last one I tried was not so good |
