| 00:00.30 | pfault | well |
| 00:00.34 | pfault | are they sure about this |
| 00:00.38 | pfault | because they say a lot of crap these days |
| 00:01.01 | pfault | it sounds like an obvious thing like it would cause it |
| 00:02.07 | pfault | oh well, back to typing :P |
| 00:04.17 | Guillotine | if I do an strfind, does capitalization matter? |
| 00:04.28 | Iriel | yes |
| 00:04.55 | Guillotine | so if i don't care about capitalization, I would jsut do strlower first? |
| 00:05.26 | Iriel | yup, or you could write a case insensitive pattern |
| 00:05.40 | Iriel | [Gg][Uu][Ii][Ll][Ll][Oo][Tt][Ii][Nn][Ee] |
| 00:06.10 | Guillotine | so that would find Guillotine, or GUILLotine, or GuIlLoTiNe or any variation thereof? |
| 00:06.20 | Iriel | yup |
| 00:06.22 | Guillotine | ty :) |
| 00:08.09 | Guillotine | is strfind the same as string.find? |
| 00:09.12 | Iriel | local str = string |
| 00:09.16 | Iriel | strfind = str.find |
| 00:09.18 | Iriel | so yes |
| 00:09.19 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 00:11.05 | Guillotine | so local result = string.find(MessageSent, "[Gg][Uu][Ii][Ll],%s"); would find "guil, " with capitalization not mattering in the string MessageSent? |
| 00:12.22 | Iriel | yes |
| 00:12.32 | Guillotine | tnx a ton :D |
| 00:21.48 | Iriel | if you're planning on doing lots of different caseless comparisons on one string, then you may want to string.lower it anyway, but if you're doing a single test that way will be easier |
| 00:24.12 | SP|Sorren | okay, i've tried to but a button in a frame with the anchor point left, relative also to left |
| 00:24.17 | SP|Sorren | but when i renders |
| 00:24.22 | SP|Sorren | its right point is to the frames left o.O |
| 00:24.30 | SP|Sorren | the button that is |
| 00:25.28 | SP|Sorren | anyone know whats wrong 8) |
| 00:25.48 | Guillotine | stealing |
| 00:26.01 | Guillotine | wait. sry. just read the last line |
| 00:26.25 | Guillotine | is the offset negative? |
| 00:26.36 | Guillotine | it could just be its moved over to the left |
| 00:26.52 | SP|Sorren | negative? |
| 00:26.56 | SP|Sorren | its at x=0 y=0 |
| 00:27.03 | Guillotine | ok. then I have no idea whats wrong |
| 00:27.04 | SP|Sorren | i just want it to line up w/ the left side |
| 00:27.25 | Guillotine | did you restart WoW completely? |
| 00:27.38 | SP|Sorren | no :P |
| 00:27.41 | SP|Sorren | oooooh |
| 00:27.43 | pfault | the dressing room should work on patterns |
| 00:27.46 | Guillotine | theres your problem :) |
| 00:27.52 | pfault | so I can see what it looks like before I even make it |
| 00:27.53 | SP|Sorren | i know whats wrong i think, its just my normaltext is off |
| 00:27.55 | SP|Sorren | rather than my button |
| 00:27.59 | Guillotine | could be |
| 00:28.01 | SP|Sorren | my button seems to be in the right place lol |
| 00:28.09 | SP|Sorren | the highlight texture shows correctly :P |
| 00:28.50 | Guillotine | question for iriel (or anyone else) if (string.find(Message, "[Pp][Aa][Gg][Ee]") == 1) then would call if the phrase "page" is at the very begining of string message? |
| 00:28.56 | futrtrubl | Any BEB users around that have a feature request? |
| 00:29.13 | Guillotine | futrtrubl: custom textures |
| 00:29.22 | futrtrubl | already in Guillotine |
| 00:29.23 | Guillotine | so I can set the bar texture to use purl |
| 00:29.25 | Guillotine | oh |
| 00:29.33 | Guillotine | my version is still the first one :/ |
| 00:29.38 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 00:29.39 | Tain | You use ^ at the beginning of the string to match to make it match at the beginning. |
| 00:29.40 | Guillotine | guess I have to dl the new one |
| 00:30.05 | futrtrubl | cool, Star Trek is back so /msg me if you have a feature request |
| 00:31.07 | Guillotine | tain: huh? so what WOULD I do if I wanted to only have the if be true if Page is at the begining of the string Messgae? |
| 00:32.05 | SP|Sorren | in the xml code, if i wanted something to be named the the parent's parent name how would i do that? |
| 00:32.08 | SP|Sorren | $parentparent? |
| 00:33.31 | Iriel | Guillotine : Your pattern would be "^[Pp][Aa][Gg][Ee]" |
| 00:34.14 | Guillotine | so would it just be " if (string.find(Message, "^[Pp][Aa][Gg][Ee]") then? |
| 00:34.30 | Guillotine | or would I still have the ==1? |
| 00:34.37 | SP|Sorren | the former |
| 00:34.56 | SP|Sorren | curse xml |
| 00:37.43 | Legorol | miaow |
| 00:39.29 | Iriel | Guillotine yes |
| 00:39.46 | Iriel | Guillotine : It'd just fail faster if page is NOT at the start |
| 00:39.57 | Iriel | Guillotine : Wheras without the ^ it'll find page anywhere in the string |
| 00:40.05 | Guillotine | ok |
| 00:40.06 | Iriel | Guillotine : And rely on the == 1 to filter those out |
| 00:40.51 | Guillotine | now is there any way to easily remove "page" from the string? |
| 00:40.59 | Guillotine | sry. new to string editing :/ |
| 00:41.11 | Iriel | Well you have 2 choices |
| 00:41.16 | Iriel | Easiest is something like |
| 00:41.27 | Iriel | "^[Pp][Aa][Gg][Ee](.*)$" |
| 00:41.53 | Iriel | then do local start,end,restOfLine = string.find("^[Pp][Aa][Gg][Ee](.*)$"); |
| 00:42.01 | Iriel | oops, with the message in there too 8-) |
| 00:42.08 | Guillotine | ok :) what does the $ do? |
| 00:42.16 | Iriel | $ is the end of the line |
| 00:42.24 | Iriel | it's actually superfluous in that particular pattern |
| 00:42.32 | Iriel | since .* is 'greedy' - it'll match as much as it possibly can |
| 00:42.33 | Guillotine | ok. so it will capture everything between page and the end of the line |
| 00:42.41 | Iriel | but I like including the $ for later readers |
| 00:42.42 | Iriel | Yes |
| 00:42.45 | Guillotine | tnx :D |
| 00:42.53 | Iriel | If you wanted arbitrary amounts of space after page and before the text, you do |
| 00:43.08 | Iriel | "^[Pp][Aa][Gg][Ee]%s*(.*)$" |
| 00:43.28 | Iriel | that'd eat as much whitespace (%s) as it can before starting the capture |
| 00:43.56 | Iriel | If you wanted to REQUIRE space (to stop it picking up 'pages' at the start of the line, for example), you'd use %s+ instead of %s* |
| 00:44.05 | Iriel | (+ being 1 or more, * being 0 or more) |
| 00:44.13 | Guillotine | got it :D |
| 00:49.44 | Cairenn | anyone recall off the top of their head where the link is for the Blizz RSS feed? |
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| 00:50.29 | Nomad_Wanderer | Wow.. Did things get worse? |
| 00:51.05 | pfault | they did when you stepped in |
| 00:51.23 | Nomad_Wanderer | Yeah... I know.. Seriously thou I was talking about the CHannel description. |
| 00:52.12 | pfault | oh |
| 00:52.14 | pfault | never noticed |
| 00:53.55 | Cairenn | No, Bela just felt like updating it |
| 00:55.43 | Cairenn | to make it a little bit clearer |
| 00:56.39 | Beladona | yes |
| 01:00.48 | SP|Sorren | argh, xml infuriates me. anyone here good with it? :X |
| 01:01.36 | Guillotine | I just use the WoW UI Designer... |
| 01:01.36 | Kolth | What's infuriating? |
| 01:02.30 | SP|Sorren | wow ui designer scares me 8) |
| 01:02.33 | SP|Sorren | anyway |
| 01:02.39 | SP|Sorren | im trying to get a button to show over a statusbar |
| 01:02.50 | SP|Sorren | currently the text of the button will show over the statusbar |
| 01:02.55 | SP|Sorren | but the statusbar captures the mouse |
| 01:03.01 | SP|Sorren | and i cant click on the button through the statusbar |
| 01:03.16 | Iriel | Use SetFrameLevel, or put your status bar on a different strata |
| 01:03.19 | Kolth | That's just a strata issue |
| 01:03.35 | Kolth | Iriel: Suggested to get the Level of your statusbar then +1 the button from it? |
| 01:03.52 | SP|Sorren | how does set frame level work? |
| 01:03.57 | SP|Sorren | does it work relative to other frames? |
| 01:04.04 | SP|Sorren | i shall look it up i guess ;P |
| 01:04.12 | Kolth | Yarr. |
| 01:04.20 | Kolth | Very important to deal with strata. |
| 01:04.52 | SP|Sorren | this stuff is all very confusing to me ;( |
| 01:05.02 | Kolth | Just take it slowly :P It's just a lot. |
| 01:05.52 | futrtrubl | SP|Sorren are you registered with nickserv? |
| 01:06.11 | SP|Sorren | i don't think so |
| 01:06.38 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.42 | SP|Sorren | just did |
| 01:06.55 | futrtrubl | k, you get my message? |
| 01:07.20 | Iriel | Kolth : yes, that's the usual solution if they need to be in the same strata (but they probably dont) |
| 01:07.58 | SP|Sorren | yah |
| 01:08.41 | Nomad_Wanderer | Here's an easy one.. (I think).. Is this correct? http://wow.pastebin.com/464282 |
| 01:09.01 | SP|Sorren | so to define the strata in the xml |
| 01:09.05 | SP|Sorren | do i just do strata=""? |
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| 01:09.33 | Cairenn | hi norganna |
| 01:10.03 | norganna | Hi |
| 01:10.09 | Gryphen | heya |
| 01:10.31 | norganna | finally setup a ssh tunnel so i can IRC to here from work :) |
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| 01:13.00 | norganna | er |
| 01:13.25 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 01:14.02 | norganna | that'll be my home machine i suspect |
| 01:15.23 | Guil_away | haha guys. look what I organized. http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6426/lag4jb.jpg |
| 01:16.02 | Guil_away | submitted it to the blizz pic of the day, but they didn't chose it. I wonder why |
| 01:16.12 | norganna | heheh |
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| 01:16.54 | Nomad_Wanderer | Could someone take a look at this? Can is this the correct way to put data in this table? http://wow.pastebin.com/464282 |
| 01:16.57 | Cairenn | hi Parak |
| 01:17.57 | Parak | hewwo |
| 01:18.40 | Kolth | Nomad: I would probably do my data in more of a Table format |
| 01:18.46 | futrtrubl | don't know about the ret of it but what about [] around date(%Y) |
| 01:19.00 | Cairenn | hey Legorol! |
| 01:19.03 | SP|Sorren | hmm |
| 01:19.19 | SP|Sorren | i set the statusbars to artwork strata |
| 01:19.22 | SP|Sorren | then put the button on overlay |
| 01:19.36 | SP|Sorren | and i still cant click on the button through the statusbar o.O |
| 01:20.26 | Cairenn | so, futrtrubl, shall I bug you? |
| 01:20.49 | futrtrubl | there is no artwork or overlay strata, those are layers for textures and fontstrings only |
| 01:20.55 | futrtrubl | sure Cairenn |
| 01:21.05 | Cairenn | you missed my point |
| 01:21.16 | Cairenn | I want to be able to put the exp bar behind another frame |
| 01:21.26 | Cairenn | not worried about layers within itself |
| 01:21.42 | futrtrubl | yup, set the framelevels lower than they currently are |
| 01:22.19 | Bela|WOW | my xp bar? |
| 01:22.37 | Cairenn | okay, will see how that goes |
| 01:23.10 | Cairenn | Bela, no, BEB |
| 01:23.12 | futrtrubl | it's a bit of a pain to set the level for each element of BEB, but I'm still looking to do relative lvls to General... |
| 01:23.13 | Bela|WOW | oh |
| 01:23.30 | Nomad_Wanderer | Kolth: do you ahave a suggested format? I'm hoping to use the date as keys for easy retrieval.. |
| 01:24.38 | Nomad_Wanderer | I made that update Futr.... http://wow.pastebin.com/464621 like that? |
| 01:25.48 | Kolth | Nomad: Since Y, m and d are just components of a datestamp you could index all bids with datestamps |
| 01:26.08 | Kolth | Rather, you could even forgoe the Y, m, d, H, M, S with a single timestamp |
| 01:26.19 | Guillotine | question. I want to filter end punctuation off of a string. how would I go about this? (the main thing is "?". don't think I need to worry about periods, but if theres an easy way to do any punctuation, thats even better) |
| 01:26.41 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmm. But I want to be able to easily pull data by day, or by month.. |
| 01:26.53 | Kolth | That's fine, with a single date/time field -> timestamp |
| 01:26.54 | Nomad_Wanderer | having them as seperate keys makes that easier? or is there a better way to do that? |
| 01:27.08 | Kolth | I can only imagine it causing problems |
| 01:27.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | AH... whats the easier way to do that with a single timestamp? |
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| 01:27.38 | futrtrubl | ok, I'm off to buy some food, bbl |
| 01:28.15 | Nomad_Wanderer | I don't want to iterate over the the whole set... asking each if it's from december... |
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| 01:28.30 | Nomad_Wanderer | I thought by having december be it's own key, I could filter the table that way... |
| 01:28.36 | Nomad_Wanderer | I must be missing something... |
| 01:28.45 | SP|Sorren | Guillotine: try for notpunct in string.gfind( string, "([^.?,punctionblahblah])" ) do newstring = newstring..notpunct; end |
| 01:29.08 | SP|Sorren | er |
| 01:29.10 | SP|Sorren | with a + |
| 01:29.12 | Kolth | Nomad: I just think of tabular data in SQL terms more often. |
| 01:29.12 | SP|Sorren | after the last ] |
| 01:29.27 | Guillotine | whats notpunct? |
| 01:29.43 | SP|Sorren | notpunct is just whatever the gfind returns |
| 01:30.16 | SP|Sorren | like in "blahblah.blahblah" it'll return the first blahblah in the first loop iteration in notpunct |
| 01:30.20 | Tem | rawr! |
| 01:30.23 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmm. so there isn't an easy way to get the december data out of a table that uses a combined datestamp as key? |
| 01:30.29 | cladhaire | evening tem |
| 01:30.30 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 01:30.36 | kremonte | RunMacro doesnt exist anymore right? |
| 01:30.40 | Tem | only 1 exam left |
| 01:30.43 | Tem | yay |
| 01:30.51 | Kolth | Nomad: Your way might just be perfectly fine and easy. |
| 01:31.47 | Cairenn | LEGOROL! |
| 01:34.25 | Nomad_Wanderer | Cool.. if I did decide to have sub tables like that... Is the right way to enter the data like this? Summary[date(%Y)][date(%m)][date(%d)][date(%H:%M:%S)].itemLinkVarValue="1"; |
| 01:35.06 | norganna | Hey legorol! |
| 01:35.13 | Kolth | nomad: That looks about right. |
| 01:35.45 | Cairenn | hehe |
| 01:36.03 | Nomad_Wanderer | oh.. we're shouting? HEY LEGOROL! |
| 01:36.10 | cladhaire | HEY NOMAD HOW ARE YOU? |
| 01:36.18 | Tem | I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT! |
| 01:36.19 | Nomad_Wanderer | I'M FINE THANKS! |
| 01:36.30 | Cairenn | lol, it's okay guys, just trying to get his attention, he's ignoring us :p |
| 01:36.30 | Tem | LOUD NOISES! |
| 01:36.40 | Nomad_Wanderer | HOW ARE YOU! |
| 01:37.18 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 01:37.19 | purl | ACTION says "hey, what's that on your face?" and shovels dirt on your face. |
| 01:37.24 | Nomad_Wanderer | I'M IN MC, WHILE WRITING AN ADDON.. DON'T WORRY, IT'LL BE FINE. I'M A PRIEST. SO I ONLY HAVE 4 BUTTONS TO PRESS. |
| 01:37.52 | cladhaire | real priests dont push button |
| 01:37.53 | cladhaire | s |
| 01:38.02 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hot keys actually ;) |
| 01:38.13 | Tain | 4 buttons? How is it that many these days? |
| 01:38.15 | Nomad_Wanderer | nostrom n52 <--- |
| 01:38.38 | Nomad_Wanderer | Flash heal, PW:S. Renew, Ressurect. |
| 01:38.47 | norganna | yup |
| 01:38.50 | Guillotine | is there any easier way to capture all of a string but the last character if and only if that last character is a "?"? |
| 01:38.52 | norganna | how good |
| 01:39.01 | cladhaire | click casting ftw |
| 01:39.01 | futrtrubl | LEGOROL!! |
| 01:39.18 | Cairenn | okay okay, I'm sorry, sheesh! ;) |
| 01:39.21 | Nomad_Wanderer | Yeah.. I use castparty too :) |
| 01:39.22 | Guillotine | futrtrubl: you missed the band wagon. you're a bit late on the shouting |
| 01:39.26 | cladhaire | boo.. |
| 01:39.28 | cladhaire | k i'm done =) |
| 01:39.29 | Guillotine | castparty stinks |
| 01:39.37 | Guillotine | thats my opinion at least |
| 01:39.41 | futrtrubl | yeah, I had to read the help file on how to color text ;'] |
| 01:39.46 | Guillotine | I don't like the addons that make decisions for you |
| 01:39.51 | Guillotine | I like group buttons |
| 01:40.08 | SP|Sorren | if( string.find( string, "?$" ) ) then string = string.sub(string, 1, -2); end |
| 01:40.10 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 01:40.11 | SP|Sorren | or something like that |
| 01:40.16 | cladhaire | i hate auto-healing mods |
| 01:40.18 | TekkubZzZzZzZzZz | I'm okey with it choosing the rank of the spell, but I pick the spell and target |
| 01:40.18 | cladhaire | that choose for you |
| 01:40.20 | Nomad_Wanderer | I use it mostly for the click modifiers.. |
| 01:40.28 | cladhaire | i just dont like castparty.. cause well... i code WatchDog . |
| 01:40.29 | cladhaire | so lol |
| 01:40.30 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:40.33 | cladhaire | WatchDog fwt |
| 01:40.36 | Nomad_Wanderer | sAlt left click x, shift right click = y |
| 01:40.41 | futrtrubl | fwt? |
| 01:40.47 | cladhaire | for win the |
| 01:40.51 | Codayus | Mmm, castparty is lacking I think. |
| 01:40.58 | Tain | Guil something like (.*)\?$ |
| 01:41.01 | futrtrubl | ahh, of course, how stoopid of me |
| 01:41.47 | SP|Sorren | err woops |
| 01:41.49 | Tain | I pay illegal immigrants to press the buttons for me. |
| 01:43.08 | Codayus | I used group buttons for a while, and watchdog before that, but these days I prefer AceHeal. That plus squeaky wheel = healer fun. |
| 01:43.34 | Codayus | Now if I just had a good addon to measure healing efficiency and stats... |
| 01:43.42 | cladhaire | COdayus: Bishop |
| 01:43.44 | cladhaire | whenever i finish it |
| 01:43.50 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:43.52 | Nomad_Wanderer | reacp.. sorta |
| 01:43.53 | Guillotine | Tain: does \ mean that its optional? |
| 01:43.56 | Depherios | back btw |
| 01:43.59 | Nomad_Wanderer | recap .. sorta |
| 01:44.01 | Codayus | *hint hint* |
| 01:44.01 | cladhaire | Nomad: Recap can't do healing stats worth crap |
| 01:44.05 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:44.13 | cladhaire | Codayus: hey... i'm working on it =) |
| 01:44.30 | Depherios | OMG NOMAD... GREAT IDEA |
| 01:44.48 | Nomad_Wanderer | ARE WE SHOUTING AGAIN? |
| 01:44.51 | cladhaire | YES!\ |
| 01:44.52 | Tain | No Guillotine, you need the \ to escape the ? because ? is a special character. |
| 01:44.53 | Codayus | Indeed |
| 01:44.54 | Depherios | Sorry I got excited XD |
| 01:44.55 | cladhaire | LEGOROL!!!! |
| 01:45.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:45.06 | Depherios | binding shift+Lclick and shift+Rclick to keys |
| 01:45.12 | Guillotine | tain: ah. well, the problem with that is it won't work if there is no ? |
| 01:45.14 | Depherios | so I can use them to do things XD |
| 01:45.17 | Depherios | = win |
| 01:45.31 | Codayus | I lnw a guild whose dkp system gives bonus dkp to healers based on their recap overheal stats. |
| 01:45.34 | Codayus | so...sad... |
| 01:45.41 | Depherios | well, not binding... rebinding |
| 01:45.42 | Guillotine | Codayus: are you serious? |
| 01:45.47 | Codayus | Yes. |
| 01:45.49 | Codayus | Yes I am. |
| 01:45.50 | cladhaire | are you kidding? |
| 01:45.54 | cladhaire | it can't calculate them |
| 01:45.54 | Guillotine | Codayus: so you'd get the most DKP by not healing at all? |
| 01:45.56 | Depherios | .... bonus for... OVERheal? |
| 01:46.00 | Codayus | 100% serious. |
| 01:46.09 | Depherios | so you could just keep renew on everybody who's not hurt |
| 01:46.12 | Guillotine | haha |
| 01:46.13 | Depherios | ...... and get bonus points... |
| 01:46.14 | Codayus | No, for having the lest overheal. |
| 01:46.21 | cladhaire | Depherios: Yep. |
| 01:46.23 | Depherios | Oh... now THAT makes sense |
| 01:46.24 | Guillotine | ya. so you get bonus DKP for being AFK |
| 01:46.25 | kremonte | yeah, so no healing = more dkp |
| 01:46.27 | cladhaire | Depherios: That shit won't fool Bishop =) |
| 01:46.28 | kremonte | thats so dumb |
| 01:47.05 | Guillotine | I want to join your guild. I could get TONS of dkp by going on auto-follow... |
| 01:47.14 | Guillotine | no overhealing whatsoever :D |
| 01:47.19 | Nomad_Wanderer | wwawAre you on a euro server? |
| 01:47.29 | Depherios | I rarely overheal |
| 01:47.31 | Depherios | but what about renew? |
| 01:47.36 | Depherios | keeping renew on people is good |
| 01:47.37 | Depherios | not bad |
| 01:47.42 | Depherios | but it's major overheal |
| 01:47.49 | Depherios | if they stop taking damage |
| 01:48.02 | Codayus | They also gave bonus dkp for tanks with the most damage taken, and dps classes with the least. |
| 01:48.31 | Codayus | I left. Fast. I wa afraid the stupidity might be contageous. |
| 01:48.35 | Depherios | that's all well and good, except for the overheal thing... I'd worry about my renew too much, have to stop using my most mana efficient healing spell |
| 01:48.47 | Depherios | ..most damage taken |
| 01:48.52 | Depherios | so if they DON'T have good armor |
| 01:48.55 | Depherios | .... they get more DKP |
| 01:49.13 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:49.21 | cladhaire | crazy |
| 01:49.30 | Codayus | Hey, did I tell you about are onyxia attemps with a tank...in full valor? |
| 01:49.56 | Codayus | Valor FTW! |
| 01:50.34 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:50.55 | futrtrubl | for the wipe? |
| 01:51.07 | Codayus | Yes. Yes it was. |
| 01:51.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn (n=jbcc@d207-216-176-153.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 01:51.25 | Esamynn | Evening everyne. |
| 01:51.25 | cladhaire | i went into LBRS with my guild at 52... I got nicknamed Sagart Jenkins, cause I pulled the ENTIRE lower room to the ogre area |
| 01:51.49 | kremonte | you lose |
| 01:51.54 | futrtrubl | agreed |
| 01:51.55 | cladhaire | it was amazing. |
| 01:51.59 | kremonte | everyone here is horde except cair and iriel :'( |
| 01:52.00 | Esamynn | lol cladhaire |
| 01:52.09 | Esamynn | <-- not horde |
| 01:52.10 | futrtrubl | I'm not horde |
| 01:52.14 | cladhaire | <-- not horde |
| 01:52.17 | kremonte | zomg |
| 01:52.22 | Esamynn | lol |
| 01:52.26 | cladhaire | <-- well, 1/3 horde |
| 01:52.29 | kremonte | i thought everyone had a 60 undead rogue as their alt? |
| 01:52.39 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:52.42 | futrtrubl | 1/9th horde I guess |
| 01:52.43 | Esamynn | pft! Rogues |
| 01:52.45 | Depherios | every horde XD |
| 01:53.07 | Depherios | I'm 14/15 horde |
| 01:53.13 | Esamynn | PFT! Rogues!!!! :P |
| 01:53.20 | Depherios | as I just deleted my level 20 dwarf pally |
| 01:53.31 | futrtrubl | I hate rouges what with their makeup and stuff |
| 01:53.32 | kremonte | Depherios, die |
| 01:53.39 | Codayus | <--- alliance |
| 01:53.41 | kremonte | hey look im an undead rogue! |
| 01:53.51 | kremonte | my 1-9 keys are all WotF |
| 01:53.59 | Depherios | kremonte: I don't like melee classes... shaman is close to too much hitting for me... Pally is WAY too much hitting for me |
| 01:54.26 | kergoth | i'm sorry kremonte, was that supposed to be funny? you need to let me know these things |
| 01:54.30 | Esamynn | what do you play Deph? |
| 01:54.47 | Depherios | spellcasters all of them XD |
| 01:55.02 | Esamynn | just the squishies? |
| 01:55.17 | Depherios | mage is still only level 20, druid is 24 I think now... warlock is 21, and I have two priests 17 on PvE and 41 on PvP |
| 01:55.41 | Depherios | I leveled a hunter to 20, a shaman to 20, and haven't touched either since |
| 01:55.43 | Esamynn | Druid = Shapeshifter, I don't consider them to be true casters as they are squishies |
| 01:55.53 | Depherios | true, but I play them like a spellcaster/tank |
| 01:55.55 | Codayus | rogue, priest, at 60. Lvling up a hunter now. After that, probably a warrior or a mage, haven't decided. I like all the classes really. Except pally. |
| 01:55.56 | Esamynn | my only alt is a 28 shaman |
| 01:56.10 | Depherios | I just dislike the melee classes |
| 01:56.12 | Esamynn | a VERY neglected shaman |
| 01:56.14 | Depherios | it has a lot to do with how I control |
| 01:56.35 | Esamynn | I love my Druid, I have a hard time playing anything else |
| 01:57.01 | Depherios | Druid I use a lot of bear, for the armor/survivability, but I'm not big on cat form... use it for stealth, that's about it :P |
| 01:57.35 | Depherios | which is why I don't play it much, I'm doing a poor job of playing a druid and KNOW it XD (unlike most moonfire spammers and perminent bear/cat form players) |
| 01:58.31 | Depherios | I do a good job changing from bear/caster situationally, but just don't like the rogue type of gameplay, never have liked it... pure DPS isn't my thing, which is why my mage is still 20 XD |
| 01:58.49 | Depherios | I told myself I'd play every class to 20, then pick a main and run with it, but my warrior made it to 14, and my rogue made it to 12 |
| 02:00.20 | Codayus | Both rogues and warriors change a lot as they level. A rogue at 30 or 40 is quite different than at 12, because they depend on skills which they don't know at 12... |
| 02:00.30 | Depherios | yeah |
| 02:00.33 | Esamynn | My Druid is Resto spec'd at the moment, primarilly because I'm Raiding heavily |
| 02:00.36 | Codayus | that being said, obviously you should play what you enjoy. :-) |
| 02:00.38 | Depherios | I'm not a big fan of DPS classes though |
| 02:00.56 | Depherios | I thought I'd like the mage, but having more attacks doesn't make attacking any more fun really XD |
| 02:00.56 | kremonte | warrior is so fun |
| 02:01.02 | Esamynn | I think I may be a healer at heart anyways |
| 02:01.14 | kremonte | i love having 2x the AC than my 60 lock at level 33, and doing half a yellow mob's life with a crit |
| 02:01.22 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:01.38 | Depherios | I like healing as well |
| 02:01.41 | Esamynn | kwink! |
| 02:01.46 | Codayus | It's odd, when I played AO I was an enforcer - the main tank/warrior equivalent. Still haven't rolled one in WoW, despite really enjoying it... |
| 02:01.57 | Depherios | which is why I'm running with the priest right now... but yeah... after this, I think I'll make a 'lock |
| 02:02.32 | Depherios | my GF loved her warrior, but loves her Druid more, lol |
| 02:02.46 | Esamynn | lol, ooops, misspelled that, I ment to call your warrior a twink kremonte ;) |
| 02:02.50 | Depherios | she's rarely in caster form though |
| 02:03.04 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 02:03.27 | Depherios | I tended to stand around in caster form, burn my mana, switch to bear to live while I watch druidbar |
| 02:03.35 | kremonte | Esamynn - the only thing that's really twinked is whirlwind axe at lv33, all my equip is greens |
| 02:03.41 | Depherios | when I get enough mana switch back out, burn my mana again XD |
| 02:03.46 | kremonte | (i got the axe at level 30 though :P) |
| 02:03.51 | Esamynn | kremonte: just pulling your leg ;) |
| 02:03.56 | kremonte | ouch |
| 02:04.01 | kremonte | my leg is sensitive |
| 02:04.04 | Depherios | which is why I know I make a terrible Druid, lol |
| 02:04.20 | Esamynn | yes, yes you would Deph :P |
| 02:04.30 | Guillotine | wait-- do you need "end" at the end of "elseif" if you have another "elseif" right after? |
| 02:04.38 | SP|Sorren | ni |
| 02:04.40 | SP|Sorren | no |
| 02:04.40 | Esamynn | no |
| 02:04.41 | kremonte | no, if elseif elseif elseif ... end |
| 02:04.44 | Codayus | no |
| 02:04.57 | Codayus | Damnit, I'm lagging again. |
| 02:04.59 | Depherios | I don't like to tank, I don't like playing rogues... it's just SO NICE being a spellcaster with a way to just absorb the damage while my mana regens XD |
| 02:05.04 | Esamynn | Learn2ReadTheManual ;) |
| 02:05.06 | Esamynn | j/k |
| 02:05.11 | Guillotine | thats what I thought |
| 02:05.22 | Guillotine | then my syntax hilighter is just buggy |
| 02:05.31 | Esamynn | probably |
| 02:05.37 | pfault | rogues are really fun to play though |
| 02:05.42 | pfault | I was amazed when I played one |
| 02:05.50 | Esamynn | I've never bothered to find a syntax highlighter for Lua |
| 02:05.54 | Codayus | Yay, stabby! |
| 02:06.23 | Codayus | Pet classes are fun to once the pet gets strong enough to usefull tank. Stand back and dish out the damage...fun. |
| 02:06.28 | pfault | so much less thinking coming from a warlokc |
| 02:06.30 | pfault | err warlock |
| 02:06.43 | Esamynn | although, now that I think about it, I think i'll try Bela's addon for Dreamweaver |
| 02:07.05 | Codayus | Heh, I've got a lvl 30 'lock...the number of buttons I have to press to fight is amazing. |
| 02:07.38 | Esamynn | curse this, disease that, ........ ;) |
| 02:07.54 | Codayus | order the pet around, corruption, immolate, siphon life, then cast the appropriate drain, while watching my health, my pets health, my mana and waiting for nightfall to proc...and I'm still only using a small cuk of my skills. |
| 02:07.56 | Depherios | lol that's why I want a lock XD |
| 02:08.07 | Codayus | chunk, even |
| 02:08.10 | Depherios | more skills than any other class |
| 02:08.14 | Depherios | not even counting pet skills |
| 02:08.53 | kremonte | warlock is really fun :) |
| 02:08.55 | pfault | heh it's not a good idea to "wait" for it to proc |
| 02:08.55 | Guillotine | Could someone please look at http://wow.pastebin.com/464663 to make sure I used ends correctly? Either I did something wrong or my syntax highlighter is just wacky |
| 02:09.04 | kremonte | boring for raids tho imo |
| 02:09.11 | Esamynn | I have never tried a lock, I think mainly because I think of them as evil |
| 02:09.18 | cladhaire | eeek. |
| 02:09.24 | Guillotine | and yes, it is a port of purl to WoW |
| 02:09.30 | cladhaire | Guill: set your tabs to 4 spaces and cut down on end of line comments =) |
| 02:09.37 | Codayus | pfault: Err....why not? |
| 02:09.44 | kremonte | tab > 4 spaces |
| 02:09.45 | cladhaire | other than that.. I'm looking at it. |
| 02:09.45 | pfault | good way to die |
| 02:09.58 | Codayus | Not if your drain tanking... |
| 02:09.59 | pfault | you just take the proc when you can get it |
| 02:10.00 | pfault | as a bonus |
| 02:10.02 | pfault | don't expect it |
| 02:10.10 | cladhaire | kremonte: not when the tab is 8 spaces =) |
| 02:10.20 | Codayus | That's what I said. :-) |
| 02:10.24 | kremonte | is that what pastebin parses them as? |
| 02:10.24 | cladhaire | kremonte: which it is in this case |
| 02:10.26 | Guillotine | lol. i wanted to comment EVERYTHING so ppl could see what I was doing |
| 02:10.31 | Esamynn | a port of purl to WoW, you evil evil person |
| 02:10.32 | Codayus | Or meant, but it seemed clear enough to me... |
| 02:10.36 | cladhaire | kremonte: no.. its the way the code is written =) |
| 02:10.50 | Esamynn | the if blocks look fine |
| 02:10.50 | cladhaire | Guilli: I would just say when pastebinning.. put the comments on the prior line.. it can't handle long lines. |
| 02:10.54 | Depherios | I never count on crits or procs... I just HOPE XD |
| 02:11.03 | Guillotine | cladhaire- hehe. didnt plan on pastebinning it |
| 02:11.07 | cladhaire | syntax looks okay to me =) |
| 02:11.23 | pfault | if you want to count on nightfall then spam everyone with level 1 corruption |
| 02:11.29 | kremonte | cladhaire - eek! |
| 02:11.31 | kremonte | 8 spaces is horrible |
| 02:11.32 | pfault | then it will proc like every 3 seconds |
| 02:11.54 | kremonte | you dont do that while levelling, pfault XD |
| 02:12.00 | Depherios | I spam SW:P level 1 when I'm getting chased XD |
| 02:12.02 | Depherios | and hope blackout procs |
| 02:12.08 | pfault | ah leveling |
| 02:12.12 | Depherios | -level +rank |
| 02:12.15 | kremonte | that shadow shield thing for priests is crazy |
| 02:12.19 | Codayus | I did note I was lvl 30. :-P |
| 02:12.21 | kremonte | its like when frostbite procs on melee |
| 02:12.30 | Depherios | shadow shield? |
| 02:12.43 | kremonte | theres an armour or something some guildies said |
| 02:12.43 | Codayus | I keep thinking about rolling another priest so I have one specced for shadow and one specced disc/holy. |
| 02:12.50 | kremonte | that does like 5 shadow dmg when you get hit, but blackout can proc |
| 02:12.56 | Codayus | Shadowform? It reduces phys damage. |
| 02:12.59 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:13.02 | kremonte | no |
| 02:13.02 | Depherios | BLACKOUT CAN PROC? |
| 02:13.05 | kremonte | ..lol |
| 02:13.06 | Depherios | only trolls get it XD |
| 02:13.13 | kremonte | oh |
| 02:13.14 | Guillotine | ohhh. that thing |
| 02:13.18 | Depherios | hit's Shadowgaurd |
| 02:13.20 | Guillotine | ya. thats the troll one |
| 02:13.23 | kremonte | yea that |
| 02:13.25 | Depherios | its' a really pathetic lightening shield |
| 02:13.27 | Codayus | wait, there's a GOOD part to being a troll pirest? |
| 02:13.28 | Depherios | does like, no damage |
| 02:13.30 | kremonte | but blackout can proc on it |
| 02:13.31 | Codayus | ZOMG HAX |
| 02:13.36 | Depherios | ... but if blackout can proc ^_^ |
| 02:13.47 | kremonte | woot, druid 20 |
| 02:13.48 | Guillotine | it only has 3 charges though |
| 02:13.53 | Guillotine | kremonte: grats |
| 02:13.55 | Depherios | it's cheap though |
| 02:14.00 | kremonte | cat form! time to pretend i'm a rogue, w00t |
| 02:14.02 | Depherios | the fact that it's not instant cast is all it really costs |
| 02:14.04 | kremonte | i mean |
| 02:14.05 | Depherios | I can cast rank1 |
| 02:14.05 | kremonte | "rouge" |
| 02:14.13 | Depherios | and keep it cheap even |
| 02:14.19 | pfault | no |
| 02:14.25 | pfault | night elf hunter is pretend to be a rogue with a gun |
| 02:14.32 | kremonte | um |
| 02:14.34 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:14.37 | kremonte | you do know you cant move while in shadowform |
| 02:14.38 | kremonte | right? |
| 02:14.44 | pfault | yes |
| 02:14.45 | pfault | so? |
| 02:14.46 | Depherios | so? they have a gun |
| 02:14.51 | Tain | Aimed shot got it going on |
| 02:14.51 | kremonte | rogues have guns :) |
| 02:14.52 | Depherios | they don't want to move, or need to move XD |
| 02:14.55 | kremonte | and you missed my point, pfault XD |
| 02:15.05 | pfault | you don't have to worry about being ganked by shadowmeld hunters |
| 02:15.12 | kremonte | cat form is like a drugue |
| 02:15.27 | Tain | XD XE XF... doesn't matter |
| 02:15.38 | kremonte | you don't have to worry about fear being almost useless against the half the opposing faction, HAH! |
| 02:16.01 | pfault | not my problem |
| 02:16.02 | pfault | :) |
| 02:16.08 | pfault | should have rolled horde |
| 02:16.11 | kremonte | shadowmeld ain't mine either =D |
| 02:16.22 | Esamynn | hey, anyone know anything about Dreamweaver extensions? |
| 02:16.26 | kremonte | so on that note, i hope every NE hunter you come across shadowmeld aimed shots yuou =D |
| 02:16.29 | Tain | Almost useless against half the horde, huh. |
| 02:16.38 | kremonte | Esamynn - bela wrote one for WoW something |
| 02:16.48 | pfault | in 1.9 I will be owning all hunters I see because I will be able to walk away from their pets |
| 02:16.53 | kremonte | Tain - i replaced my fear key with my howl of terror key =D |
| 02:16.58 | Esamynn | I know, I'm trying to install it, but I know nothing about DW extensions? |
| 02:17.02 | kremonte | pfault - dash^^ |
| 02:17.13 | kremonte | oh, /shrug. i don't use dreamweaver |
| 02:17.14 | pfault | pfft |
| 02:17.17 | kremonte | notepad 4 lyf |
| 02:17.33 | Tain | You just have to play smarter, that's all. Not like you can pop WotF every two minutes. |
| 02:17.38 | Esamynn | i've been using a little program called the Prgrammer's File Editor |
| 02:17.41 | kremonte | Tain, i know |
| 02:17.46 | pfault | felhunter is a dog, why can't he seduce other animals |
| 02:17.49 | Esamynn | hand's unix/linux newlines |
| 02:17.53 | pfault | dogs do that to eachother |
| 02:17.53 | Esamynn | handles* |
| 02:18.04 | kremonte | but such an overwhelming majority are undead, and my banes that i fight the most have fear breaking trinkets...the only fear i have lasts 2 seconds |
| 02:18.21 | Esamynn | what is WotF, I can never remember what it stands for |
| 02:18.27 | kremonte | will of the fuckers |
| 02:18.32 | kremonte | forsaken* |
| 02:18.42 | kremonte | sorry, the keys are right next to each other |
| 02:18.56 | Tain | It would be different if you did'nt know what they did. |
| 02:19.08 | Esamynn | oh right |
| 02:19.10 | Tain | But if you're relying on fear when you know... |
| 02:19.14 | Esamynn | never played an undead char |
| 02:19.27 | Esamynn | its a RP choice for me |
| 02:19.28 | Tain | I don't know why people complain so much about it. Work around it. |
| 02:19.37 | Tain | I love playing undead. It's a RP choice for me. |
| 02:19.40 | pfault | war stomp is just as annoying as wotf |
| 02:19.44 | pfault | yet people don't complain about it |
| 02:19.51 | kremonte | Tain, i know it can be worked around |
| 02:19.53 | Tain | Sure they do. |
| 02:19.55 | kremonte | pfault - no tauren rogues 8) |
| 02:20.01 | Tain | People bitch about warstop on the Blizz forms all the time. |
| 02:20.03 | kremonte | that would be HORRIBLE |
| 02:20.13 | kremonte | CS WS KS KS, by then you're dead |
| 02:20.16 | pfault | I never use fear on rogues anyway? |
| 02:20.24 | pfault | other than dc |
| 02:20.26 | kremonte | death coil -> fear |
| 02:20.31 | kremonte | dc isn't fear =O |
| 02:20.33 | pfault | wotf doesn't cleanse dc |
| 02:20.41 | kremonte | dc is horror |
| 02:20.44 | kremonte | so is howl of terror |
| 02:20.50 | Esamynn | my only bitch about warstomp is that its a Druid's only interrupt except for bear form, and only taurens get it ;) |
| 02:21.01 | Esamynn | which isn't really a bitch |
| 02:21.06 | pfault | you don't need fear or charm to kill a rogue as a warlock |
| 02:21.14 | pfault | wotf should be a nonissue |
| 02:21.14 | kremonte | everyone plays different, heh |
| 02:21.20 | kremonte | i'm not specced for upfront damage |
| 02:21.26 | Tain | That's the point. If you're losing, play differently. |
| 02:21.35 | Esamynn | Learn2Play! ;) |
| 02:21.38 | kremonte | wait wah |
| 02:21.38 | pfault | I usually just send machinegun imp at the rogue |
| 02:21.47 | kremonte | how am i bitching/losing/whatever? |
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| 02:22.12 | Esamynn | I didn't say you were |
| 02:22.23 | kremonte | Tain said ;( |
| 02:22.45 | Esamynn | ~give kremonte a cookie |
| 02:22.46 | purl | ACTION gives kremonte a home-baked peanut butter cookie to cheer him up. |
| 02:23.00 | kremonte | ~hug Esamynn |
| 02:23.02 | purl | ACTION hugs Esamynn |
| 02:23.08 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 02:23.08 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn |
| 02:23.15 | kremonte | ~cookie purl |
| 02:23.17 | Tain | I'm offering counters to your arguments. |
| 02:23.20 | pfault | I think the alliance just complains more because they generally have a higher population |
| 02:23.26 | Tain | I do say that people in general bitch too much. |
| 02:23.50 | Esamynn | thats why I rarely venture outside the UI forums |
| 02:23.52 | kremonte | Tain - it's not so much an argument, and changing a playstyle isn't really a counter (at least, for warlock; there are so many specs that judge how you play totally) |
| 02:23.57 | kremonte | but i do agree people bitch a loy |
| 02:24.06 | Esamynn | bitchers get chased out of there in a real hurry |
| 02:24.13 | Tain | No, changing a playstyle is always a counter. That's what I disagree with. |
| 02:24.15 | kremonte | i'm just saying, fear is my only real CC and if i'm in those shitty situations, i can't use it as a crutch |
| 02:24.19 | Tain | You dont' spec out your brain. |
| 02:24.24 | kremonte | yes you do |
| 02:24.33 | Tain | Ok.. |
| 02:24.34 | Depherios | kremonte: warlock right? -- at least you can fear all you want |
| 02:24.36 | Tain | Then I don't spec out my brain. |
| 02:24.47 | kremonte | Depherios - not really usable against undead though, which is/was my point |
| 02:24.51 | Depherios | true |
| 02:24.53 | Depherios | or elementals |
| 02:24.57 | kremonte | banish 8) |
| 02:25.01 | Depherios | can't use it much in PvE at all D: |
| 02:25.03 | pfault | warlock fear is pretty useless in combat to begin with |
| 02:25.11 | kremonte | i can solo anything that can be feared and doesn't link |
| 02:25.12 | pfault | even if you can get it to work |
| 02:25.19 | pfault | you are usually ganked before you can cast it |
| 02:25.21 | kremonte | i soloed a 57 elite dinosaur at level 50 =D |
| 02:25.26 | kremonte | yeah, pfault :( |
| 02:25.44 | Depherios | true, so nice having instant AoE fear, just sucks how useless it is |
| 02:25.46 | pfault | but thats why we have a pet |
| 02:25.55 | Depherios | you have seduce at least |
| 02:25.57 | pfault | so while we are stunlocked they are getting it from behind themselves |
| 02:25.59 | kremonte | cant seduce undead either, same as fear =/ |
| 02:26.06 | kremonte | but i don't use succubus anyway |
| 02:26.09 | kremonte | sac VW ftw |
| 02:26.19 | Depherios | just bring me kremote: I'll shackle 'em for you ^_^ |
| 02:26.28 | Tain | I just don't think you can rely on only one ability working for any class. |
| 02:26.28 | pfault | I sl with felhunter so I usually just see them walk up to me |
| 02:26.29 | Depherios | -: +, |
| 02:26.53 | pfault | it's funny some rogues have no idea warlocks can see them |
| 02:27.03 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:27.19 | pfault | one guy was trying to camp the flag in AB he was there for like 2 min |
| 02:27.23 | pfault | then I finally waved at him |
| 02:27.46 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:28.24 | pfault | I am not sure how humans are supposed to use their talent for rogues |
| 02:28.28 | pfault | doesn't last long does it? |
| 02:28.35 | kremonte | its for duels only imo |
| 02:28.43 | Depherios | long enough for 1v1 |
| 02:28.44 | kremonte | omg stelf! *perception* hi how r u |
| 02:28.49 | Depherios | or when you're trying to find that rogue that ran off and stealthed |
| 02:28.53 | Tain | It doesn't last long, and it doesn't really always work that great either. |
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| 02:29.03 | ToastTheif | yooo |
| 02:29.24 | pfault | engineers should be able to make a hat called |
| 02:29.26 | pfault | tin foil hat |
| 02:29.31 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:29.33 | pfault | equip +40 to steath detection |
| 02:29.39 | Depherios | and stops MC |
| 02:29.41 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:30.00 | ToastTheif | http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?648488 |
| 02:30.00 | Tain | I love the Gnomish Mind Control hat |
| 02:30.05 | Iriel | Didn't you see the study about tin foil hats? |
| 02:30.07 | ToastTheif | check my twink char out so far |
| 02:30.11 | Tain | Had so much fun playing with it |
| 02:30.27 | Depherios | that's one of the reasons I like my priest |
| 02:30.30 | Depherios | can't wait for 44 |
| 02:30.35 | Depherios | when I get SUPER mind vision |
| 02:30.46 | pfault | eye of killrogg for life |
| 02:31.01 | Depherios | lol... yeah, theres another reason I want a 'lock |
| 02:31.03 | Depherios | and soulstones |
| 02:31.16 | pfault | people hardly use it though |
| 02:31.20 | pfault | I had a 55 ask what that was |
| 02:31.25 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:31.26 | Depherios | yeah |
| 02:31.30 | Depherios | nobody uses levitate either |
| 02:31.33 | Depherios | I use it CONSTANTLY in AB |
| 02:31.47 | Depherios | to jump down to mine, or off of LM |
| 02:32.04 | kremonte | its fun for climbing |
| 02:32.06 | Depherios | or if I have a few guys on me, I use it, jump and when they follow me THEY take damage making my job easier |
| 02:32.09 | kremonte | too bad 1.9 removes it, pos update |
| 02:32.35 | Depherios | removes wall walking? or levitate? |
| 02:32.49 | kremonte | walll walkiung |
| 02:32.55 | Depherios | good.. I <3 levitate |
| 02:33.05 | kremonte | i am logging all my toons in places like |
| 02:33.06 | Depherios | got away from a ?? rogue the other day in STV by walking right out onto the water |
| 02:33.10 | kremonte | canopy in thrall's room |
| 02:33.13 | kremonte | caverns of time >< |
| 02:33.14 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:33.23 | Depherios | yeah, I used to free run |
| 02:33.28 | Depherios | have tons of screens of me on top of doodads |
| 02:33.29 | kremonte | its fun being in thralls room having all of them evade bugged as alliance |
| 02:33.34 | Depherios | now you can't climb on to any of those doodads |
| 02:33.50 | Depherios | they "Fixed" tons of doodads so you can't stand on them anymore |
| 02:33.59 | kremonte | Thrall says: Makogg ogg gesh! |
| 02:34.28 | kremonte | [Common] Goiben Uden lo |
| 02:35.20 | pfault | bur |
| 02:35.25 | kremonte | bur |
| 02:35.28 | kremonte | kek |
| 02:35.31 | pfault | kek |
| 02:35.37 | pfault | is kek lol in orcish? |
| 02:35.40 | kremonte | yes |
| 02:35.45 | kremonte | do this: |
| 02:35.46 | pfault | heh |
| 02:35.56 | pfault | so if I say kek do you see lol? |
| 02:36.00 | kremonte | no lol |
| 02:36.13 | kremonte | ./script SendChatMessage("noobs", "GUILD", "Demonic"); |
| 02:36.22 | zespri | if I have setup.jar and I have java how do I make it run? java setup.jar doesn't work hwo to do it correctly? |
| 02:36.37 | pfault | lets you talk to opposite faction? |
| 02:36.44 | kremonte | no |
| 02:36.50 | kremonte | you cant send other languages in say yell or channel |
| 02:37.19 | Iriel | java -jar setup.jar |
| 02:37.21 | pfault | oh yeah demonic |
| 02:37.33 | zespri | Iriel: thanks a lot |
| 02:39.39 | Guillotine | wtf. why does a medium population server have a que? |
| 02:41.18 | pfault | hmm |
| 02:41.56 | kremonte | how much +movement is travel form? |
| 02:42.05 | pfault | I can't speak in public in demonic |
| 02:42.12 | kremonte | i just said that pfault >.> |
| 02:42.39 | pfault | ah |
| 02:42.44 | pfault | I figured demonic worked for warlocks |
| 02:46.30 | kremonte | hm. shadowmeld says druids are harder to detect while prowled with shadowmeld, but you cant cast shadowmeld in cat form |
| 02:47.12 | Tem|MC | you have misread shadowmeld |
| 02:47.40 | kremonte | yes i have |
| 02:47.42 | Tem|MC | it's a passive effect that makes the druid's prowl better |
| 02:47.49 | kremonte | OH! |
| 02:47.56 | kremonte | thanks. |
| 02:50.46 | Guillotine | nice! Cairenn!!! |
| 02:50.49 | Guillotine | check WoWI |
| 02:50.56 | Guillotine | T.King just uploaded a new interface :D |
| 02:51.05 | Guillotine | or new graphics set |
| 02:51.10 | Guillotine | although you probably already knew that |
| 02:51.19 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:51.30 | kremonte | nicee |
| 02:52.07 | Guillotine | his stuff is amazing... |
| 02:52.14 | Guillotine | I wish I could make cool graphics :( |
| 02:52.17 | pfault | WTF |
| 02:52.19 | kremonte | he's a graphics haxor |
| 02:52.20 | kremonte | i swear |
| 02:52.20 | pfault | I am not even level 10 |
| 02:52.24 | pfault | and some guy is begging for copper |
| 02:52.29 | kremonte | lol wtf |
| 02:52.33 | Depherios | I could do it... but yeah... time :P |
| 02:52.41 | Depherios | I never finish ANY graphics project XD |
| 02:52.55 | SP|Sorren | ooo |
| 02:52.57 | SP|Sorren | wintery |
| 02:52.58 | SP|Sorren | must...try |
| 02:53.12 | Cairenn | looks nice |
| 02:53.22 | kremonte | he has to take an ss of that in winterspring XD |
| 02:53.24 | Tem|MC | oh wow |
| 02:53.28 | Tem|MC | I'm actually going to download this one |
| 02:54.12 | Depherios | I tihnk I'm the only one here who knows enough about graphics to know that's just winterwood with an easy to do effect over it XD |
| 02:54.27 | Depherios | err elfwood with an easy to do effect over it |
| 02:54.35 | Depherios | it is prettier though I think |
| 02:54.38 | Depherios | (than elfwood) |
| 02:54.48 | Tain | It's "just winterwood" |
| 02:55.27 | Depherios | lol, yeah.. it's elfwood with snow ^_^ |
| 02:55.27 | kremonte | Depherios, we know |
| 02:55.31 | Depherios | good |
| 02:55.34 | kremonte | we're not graphics noobs, heh |
| 02:55.44 | Depherios | sorry, too used to people who think bevel and emboss is neat |
| 02:55.44 | kremonte | and uh, tk said it in the post :P |
| 02:55.55 | kremonte | and stroke wit hthe 3k ff0000? |
| 02:55.57 | SP|Sorren | it looks pretty :) |
| 02:56.07 | SP|Sorren | thats all i really care about lol |
| 02:57.36 | Guillotine | are < and > special characters? (e.g. need to be escaped) |
| 02:58.07 | Tain | Guillotine: It's all listed in the Lua reference manual in one spot. |
| 02:58.13 | Guillotine | but I'm too lazy to check |
| 02:58.17 | Guillotine | and if someone just knew... |
| 02:58.22 | Guillotine | @Guillotine: RTFM. yes I know |
| 02:58.24 | Tain | noob |
| 02:58.56 | kremonte | Guillotine, RTFM |
| 02:59.04 | SP|Sorren | in what? regex strings? |
| 02:59.07 | kremonte | Depherios, i'm a minimalist yet whore too |
| 02:59.07 | Guillotine | kremonte: how original |
| 02:59.14 | Guillotine | Sp|Sorren: yes |
| 02:59.17 | kremonte | :3 |
| 02:59.23 | SP|Sorren | no |
| 02:59.27 | Tain | I don't know, I just don't think I could get to the point of being able to say something is, "just Elfwood" like it was nothing. |
| 03:00.37 | Depherios | lol, sorry Tain, my Girlfriend is huge in the graphics arts community, and i spent years talking to those people... my standards are far too high, things look bad to me, just by LOOKING like they were made in a specific program even if it's a rare-ish program like painter |
| 03:00.56 | SP|Sorren | thats terrible :P |
| 03:01.06 | Depherios | I see ads in magazines and stuff and go OMFG THAT IS JUST (lists plugins used) |
| 03:01.07 | SP|Sorren | how do you appreciate anything that way |
| 03:01.12 | Depherios | I don't |
| 03:01.13 | kremonte | lol Depherios |
| 03:01.13 | Depherios | it sucks |
| 03:01.19 | Depherios | there was a battlefiled 2 ad |
| 03:01.21 | kremonte | i do that at every one of the ipod ads |
| 03:01.22 | Depherios | that no joke |
| 03:01.24 | Depherios | was in game footage |
| 03:01.32 | Depherios | with a bevel and emboss |
| 03:01.35 | Depherios | 4 color layers |
| 03:01.43 | Depherios | stroke, and scanlines |
| 03:01.45 | SP|Sorren | hey i do stuff like that |
| 03:01.55 | Depherios | lol, so do I XD |
| 03:01.59 | Depherios | but I hate it when I'm done |
| 03:02.00 | kremonte | wtf |
| 03:02.12 | kremonte | there's 3 undead rogues camping lakeshire, like level 40's, in a guild called "Boyz n da hood" |
| 03:02.36 | Depherios | I tend to do most of my stuff by hand anymore, to avoid that |
| 03:02.48 | kremonte | i'm a filter whore, moderately :( |
| 03:02.50 | Depherios | wacom + painter + photoshop makes my stuff look original |
| 03:02.52 | kremonte | i use blurs all the time |
| 03:02.59 | Depherios | biggest reason I hate apple |
| 03:03.04 | Depherios | the NEW apple |
| 03:03.07 | Depherios | EVERYTHING |
| 03:03.12 | Depherios | ... is noise+motion blur |
| 03:03.24 | kremonte | lol |
| 03:03.26 | Depherios | the second effect every photoshop book teaches |
| 03:03.44 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 03:04.08 | SP|Sorren | it must suck to be so dissapointed by any effect you see :P |
| 03:04.14 | Depherios | it does |
| 03:04.15 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:04.16 | kremonte | meh, handdrawn |
| 03:04.32 | kremonte | i can see Depherios's disappointment at the winterwood, but you can't not be impressed by the original work of elfwood |
| 03:04.50 | SP|Sorren | anything handdrawn is amazing to me, i cant draw worth diddlysquat |
| 03:05.07 | kremonte | i don't think it's drawing perse |
| 03:05.12 | Depherios | elfwood is pretty |
| 03:05.27 | kremonte | i recreated it with some copy/paste, clone stamps, pixel editing, sharpens and blurs |
| 03:05.53 | Tain | I'm glad I never released my MS Paint UI then. |
| 03:06.02 | SP|Sorren | maybe you could write a filter that does that all for you randomly 8) |
| 03:06.03 | kremonte | Tain, that would be so 1337 :O |
| 03:06.13 | Depherios | lol yeah, kremote a lot of it is repeat |
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| 03:06.24 | kremonte | but it's still a beautiful effect |
| 03:06.28 | Depherios | makes a few elements, then does things with them, but I still think it's pretty |
| 03:06.32 | Depherios | I can't wait to see his others |
| 03:06.41 | kremonte | it is, it's tedious, grueling, but beautiful work |
| 03:06.44 | Depherios | Even if I see flaws, it's pretty |
| 03:07.04 | SP|Sorren | ignore the flaws imo, its more enjoyable that way |
| 03:07.14 | kremonte | SP|Sorren, it's hard when you have that much experience :P |
| 03:07.30 | SP|Sorren | i know 8) |
| 03:07.39 | SP|Sorren | well, maybe not |
| 03:07.41 | SP|Sorren | but i get the idea |
| 03:07.41 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 03:08.01 | Depherios | ^_^ |
| 03:08.26 | Tain | But why tell everyone else? |
| 03:08.27 | SP|Sorren | can you not get the portrait textures of mobs that are los? |
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| 03:08.44 | kremonte | all unitframes do =X |
| 03:08.49 | kremonte | its not los, its if they are rendered |
| 03:09.02 | SP|Sorren | everything rendered shows up on my minimap |
| 03:09.16 | SP|Sorren | not everything i target through my minimap has a portrait via duf or my little mod |
| 03:09.17 | Depherios | Tain: Bored |
| 03:09.29 | kremonte | those might be a little delayed i think |
| 03:09.35 | kremonte | for me whenever they pop up i see their portarait |
| 03:09.39 | SP|Sorren | im trying to determine what determines whether or not a portrait is drawn :P |
| 03:09.44 | kremonte | oh |
| 03:09.51 | Depherios | you can see them? |
| 03:09.53 | cladhaire | night all |
| 03:09.59 | kremonte | yeah i'm not sure sorren, with the bugs too |
| 03:10.00 | Depherios | As far as I can tell, if they've rendered on your screen |
| 03:10.03 | SP|Sorren | well in theoery |
| 03:10.04 | Depherios | you can see the portrait |
| 03:10.05 | SP|Sorren | theory |
| 03:10.09 | SP|Sorren | if there werent a wall in the way |
| 03:10.09 | SP|Sorren | i could |
| 03:10.10 | kremonte | like oomkin and post1.7 felhunter |
| 03:10.11 | Depherios | if you target a guy behind you, who you've never visually seen |
| 03:10.48 | SP|Sorren | hm |
| 03:11.03 | SP|Sorren | that could be the case |
| 03:11.14 | SP|Sorren | is GetTexture in 1.8? or 1.9 only? |
| 03:12.02 | SP|Sorren | bah, guess it is |
| 03:12.03 | SP|Sorren | poo |
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| 03:25.24 | Iriel | 1.9 only |
| 03:28.38 | pfault | haha as a gnome warlock the imp is almost as big as I am |
| 03:28.40 | SP|Sorren | is there any way to tell if the texture has been set to nothing? |
| 03:28.58 | Depherios | I want to make a gnome lock just to have a voidwalker that's all huge |
| 03:29.20 | pfault | he will just run away on you with some other gnome |
| 03:29.38 | pfault | did you see that comic someone did on the art page |
| 03:30.56 | Guillotine | is there a variable or anything for the default language? |
| 03:31.16 | Guillotine | (e.g. Orcish for Horde, Common for alliance) |
| 03:31.36 | SP|Sorren | i think if you use send chat message and set it to nil |
| 03:31.43 | SP|Sorren | it'll come out as the default :P |
| 03:32.17 | Tain | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoW_Constants |
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| 03:33.07 | Guillotine | ty both of you :) |
| 03:34.21 | Iriel | SP|Sorren : Only sometimes 8-( |
| 03:34.32 | Iriel | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME.editBox.language |
| 03:34.37 | Iriel | is your best bet for current language |
| 03:35.10 | Tem|MC | Curses where is Cide |
| 03:35.21 | Iriel | GetDefaultLanguage() |
| 03:35.21 | Tem|MC | Anyone have the 1.5 CTRA beta? |
| 03:35.25 | Iriel | if you want the default |
| 03:35.31 | Tem|MC | And understand what the virtual sorting is? |
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| 03:56.50 | Nomad_Wanderer | hmm.. was I dreaming? Or is there really a "isNumber(string)" type command? |
| 03:56.54 | Nomad_Wanderer | I sear I saw it.. |
| 03:57.00 | Nomad_Wanderer | && Swear |
| 03:57.30 | norganna | don't remember seeing such |
| 03:57.35 | kremonte | isNumber(string)? |
| 03:57.35 | AnduinLothar | if (type(tonumber(string)) == "string") then |
| 03:57.40 | kremonte | that would always be false :p |
| 03:57.43 | Nomad_Wanderer | Yep... I was making up API calls in my sleep... KNEW IT! |
| 03:57.56 | norganna | i kno of type(var) == "number" |
| 03:58.18 | AnduinLothar | right: if (type(tonumber(string)) == "number") then |
| 03:58.24 | AnduinLothar | typos ftw |
| 03:58.41 | Iriel | You can just do if (tonumber(string)) |
| 03:58.52 | Nomad_Wanderer | wDoes it exist? |
| 03:58.55 | norganna | true |
| 03:59.08 | Nomad_Wanderer | Cool.. I wasn't dreaming. ;) |
| 03:59.14 | norganna | because if string's not a number it'll return false |
| 03:59.32 | Iriel | nil, but yes 8-) |
| 03:59.44 | AnduinLothar | is it just me or is this proposed wiki homepage crap... http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev |
| 03:59.47 | norganna | :) |
| 04:00.25 | Iriel | yes, it's crap. They;ve removed all the UI stuff |
| 04:00.27 | Iriel | which they KEEP doing |
| 04:00.31 | AnduinLothar | i should just stop answering questions when iriel's around |
| 04:00.34 | Iriel | (on other bits of the site) |
| 04:00.51 | norganna | AnduinLothar: i'm thinking that's a good idea :) |
| 04:00.55 | Nomad_Wanderer | if ((points ~= nil) and (tonumber(points))) {} right? |
| 04:00.56 | Iriel | bah, nonsense., |
| 04:01.13 | Iriel | You dont event need the first check |
| 04:01.13 | kremonte | "dont edit this page" on a wiki? wth |
| 04:01.19 | AnduinLothar | if points and tonumber(points) then |
| 04:01.25 | Nomad_Wanderer | Just being redundantly thorough again |
| 04:01.31 | Iriel | tonumber(nil) return nil |
| 04:01.59 | Iriel | though you do spend a function call |
| 04:02.20 | Iriel | so if it's usually nil, and you wwant to be obsessive compulsive, then AnduinLothar's version is better |
| 04:02.38 | Nomad_Wanderer | I heard that about him... oops MT.. |
| 04:02.47 | Nomad_Wanderer | :p |
| 04:03.14 | Iriel | (not implying that AnduinLothar is OC, but some of the places he codes are, so he may have areasons to want that method anyway 8-)) |
| 04:03.18 | AnduinLothar | hey... i resembe that remark |
| 04:03.43 | Nomad_Wanderer | hehehe |
| 04:06.15 | Esamynn|AFK | ~comfort AnduinLothar |
| 04:06.16 | purl | There, there, AnduinLothar. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:06.57 | Nomad_Wanderer | ~botsnack |
| 04:06.57 | purl | thanks, Nomad_Wanderer |
| 04:08.41 | Esamynn | Sigh, I wish there was some way to save Variables prematurely, even if it had a 5 minute delay on it |
| 04:08.50 | Guillotine | Esamynn: me too |
| 04:08.54 | Guillotine | I hate it when my game crashes |
| 04:08.57 | Guillotine | and I lose everything |
| 04:09.01 | Esamynn | exactly |
| 04:09.18 | Nomad_Wanderer | LIke the last 10 drops in MC, and who won them, and for how much DKP? |
| 04:09.18 | Esamynn | thats my worry for an AddOn I want to write, I need to ensure the data won't get lost |
| 04:09.27 | Esamynn | you read my mind |
| 04:09.55 | Esamynn | although in the case of my guild the item values are fixed so we only need to record who got what item |
| 04:11.18 | Nomad_Wanderer | The only way to get more confidence is by making the thing HA... You make the HA by adding redundancy... I.e. outputting to chat, and logging chat. or using a protocol channel like sky. |
| 04:11.43 | Nomad_Wanderer | The only one I'm skilled enought to do is outout to /ra, and let someone else run chat log. |
| 04:11.47 | Esamynn | and there is attendence data, etc. I think i'm going to have to have all of the officers run the AddOn and just sync the data, which isn't a bad idea in itself |
| 04:12.10 | Nomad_Wanderer | You just expanded the scope drmatically though |
| 04:12.31 | Esamynn | not that much actually |
| 04:13.05 | Nomad_Wanderer | Stale data? communicating through sky/other protocol channel? |
| 04:13.16 | Esamynn | the code to sync a set of data isn't that complicated |
| 04:14.02 | Nomad_Wanderer | I'm not ready for that :) |
| 04:14.08 | Nomad_Wanderer | purl, Nomad_Wanderer? |
| 04:14.10 | purl | it has been said that nomad_wanderer is a lua Noob, but trying! |
| 04:14.18 | Esamynn | an hh:mm time stamp would suffice, my problem is attempting to figure out the current day (server time) |
| 04:14.29 | Esamynn | I don't want to have to trust the user's computer, but I think I may have to |
| 04:15.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | use server time for hour minute second, and local time for day month... |
| 04:15.48 | Esamynn | yes, I think thats what I will do, but it still trusting the user's computer, which I would avoid if I could ;) |
| 04:17.01 | AnduinLothar | i don't get why this doesn't get more use... but w/e http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2432 |
| 04:17.46 | Nomad_Wanderer | why the hell isn't that baked in. |
| 04:17.52 | Esamynn | that IS a good idea, never been an issure for me though |
| 04:18.34 | Nomad_Wanderer | Tranq Shot Tem! |
| 04:18.37 | Esamynn | oooh, Maggie! ;) |
| 04:18.44 | AnduinLothar | we use it all the time for professions, but it shows public and officer notes which makes it more useful than the builtin display |
| 04:19.14 | AnduinLothar | be nice to be able to sort the list by profession |
| 04:19.36 | Guillotine | Everyone: Need help with my port of Purl to WoW. plz check out http://wow.pastebin.com/464791. I'm having problems with the table somehow |
| 04:20.07 | Esamynn | thats interesting, I wonder why it uses its own tooltip rather than the game's |
| 04:20.10 | SP|Sorren | hmmm |
| 04:20.18 | Iriel | Dont use VARIABLES_LOADED, you should use ADDON_LOADED |
| 04:20.24 | Iriel | that way if you convert to Load on Demand it'll still work |
| 04:20.27 | SP|Sorren | is there any way to hook the tooltip function that shows the tracking dots tooltips? |
| 04:20.37 | Iriel | (Not your problem, but worth knowing) |
| 04:20.42 | Esamynn | not that I know of Sorren |
| 04:20.43 | Iriel | SP|Sorren | no, you need an OnUpdate handler |
| 04:20.52 | Iriel | SP|Sorren | Ditto the in-world item tooltips |
| 04:21.10 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 04:21.38 | Iriel | Guillotine : Are you sure those gsubs work? |
| 04:21.46 | Iriel | Guillotine : "\%[" shouldn't that be "%%[" |
| 04:21.48 | norganna | except don't rely on ADDON_LOADED for another addon to indicate when it's variables are loaded... because ADDON_LOADED gets fired for other addons just *before* that addons variables are loaded. |
| 04:22.05 | Iriel | *nod* @ norganna, yo uneed to check arg1 == your addon's name |
| 04:22.09 | Tem|Mag | that's strange |
| 04:22.30 | Tem|Mag | why would ADDON_LOADED fire before an addon's variables are loaded from the perspective of other addons? |
| 04:22.35 | Iriel | Hang on, i'm not sure I agree with that, though IU have to say I haven't tested it |
| 04:22.41 | Iriel | but if that's really happening, then it's broken |
| 04:22.52 | Iriel | ADDON_LOADED is supposed to indicate the named addon is ENTIRELY loaded |
| 04:23.12 | Iriel | You should put together a test case and put it on the forum for slouken to see and fix |
| 04:23.20 | norganna | i had a stub loader and it was waiting for it's addon to load so it could read the variables |
| 04:23.24 | norganna | doesn't work |
| 04:23.44 | Nomad_Wanderer | For auctioneer, quiaff? |
| 04:23.45 | Tem|Mag | make a test case so slouken can fix it |
| 04:24.00 | norganna | quiadd? |
| 04:24.04 | norganna | quiaff? |
| 04:24.33 | Guillotine | Iriel: I have no idea. should it be? |
| 04:24.35 | Nomad_Wanderer | it's a silly way to see if you know about mechwarrior... Quiaff? is the mechwarrior way of supplying a "yes?" |
| 04:24.41 | norganna | tem - beh... workaround the problems.. don't fix em :) |
| 04:24.45 | Nomad_Wanderer | quineg "no?" |
| 04:25.16 | Esamynn | Iriel: I had an idea Bookworm for determining if a book is being read from a fixed location or from your inventory. It may not be perfect but I think it would work most of the time. What you could do is check the focus of the mouse when the book's window is opened, and it the mouse is over one of the player's bags then the book is being read from their inventory |
| 04:25.16 | Iriel | Guillotine : I think so, your pattern ends up being a literal [, then an N, and n, and then what you expect it to be, I think |
| 04:25.24 | norganna | i think legorol might have reported the problem anyhow |
| 04:25.31 | Iriel | Nobody's reported it recently |
| 04:25.44 | Legorol | did i hear my name? |
| 04:26.04 | Nomad_Wanderer | LEGOROL! HOW ARE YOU! |
| 04:26.09 | Tem|Mag | >< |
| 04:26.19 | norganna | remeber when we found that ADDON_LOADED for other addons fired before the variables loaded? |
| 04:26.21 | Iriel | Yup, norganna accused you of being useful 8-) |
| 04:26.35 | Tem|Mag | Damnit! I spilled salsa on my shirt |
| 04:26.48 | Esamynn | interesting how Tem's number of responses increased since he started fighting MAg |
| 04:27.42 | Tem|Mag | well... |
| 04:27.53 | Tem|Mag | We had been fighting mag for a while |
| 04:27.59 | Tem|Mag | we're in between attempts atm |
| 04:28.08 | kremonte | magmadar? |
| 04:28.15 | Tem|Mag | our MT lagged and couldn't stance dance out of fear |
| 04:28.21 | Tem|Mag | then it just went to hell |
| 04:28.22 | Esamynn | eww |
| 04:28.37 | Tem|Mag | very |
| 04:28.58 | Guillotine | Iriel: ok. but the main problem is its saying the table is nil |
| 04:29.04 | Esamynn | Maggie is a nice doggie in comparison to Chromie ;) |
| 04:29.13 | kremonte | chromaggus is a meanie |
| 04:29.16 | Tem|Mag | and naturally half the raid died out of rez range, so we're having to wait on summons |
| 04:29.20 | Tem|Mag | I want his claw |
| 04:29.21 | Esamynn | aye |
| 04:29.27 | Tem|Mag | I want it bad |
| 04:29.48 | kremonte | my guild killed firemaw on 3rd attempt, just gotta plow down ebonroc this weekend then we gotta kill the puppy |
| 04:30.15 | Esamynn | it took us forever to get the positioning down for firemaw |
| 04:30.29 | Tem|Mag | We're new to MC so BWL is a while off |
| 04:30.34 | kremonte | well, our RL raids on his priest with another guild who is on nef :) |
| 04:30.35 | Iriel | Guillotine : Which line? |
| 04:30.50 | Tem|Mag | Oh maybe some of you have tried the new CTRA |
| 04:30.55 | Iriel | Guillotine : Because I have a feeling your problem maybe that you go: |
| 04:30.57 | Tem|Mag | What is Virtual sorting? |
| 04:31.07 | Esamynn | virtual sorting? |
| 04:31.16 | Iriel | GuilBotFacts[Fact]["Info"] without ALSO checkin GuilBotFacts[Fact] isn't nil |
| 04:32.23 | Esamynn | how far into MC are you Tem? |
| 04:32.26 | Tem|Mag | Esamynn: I dunno... but it's an option under group sorting. |
| 04:32.33 | Tem|Mag | Esamynn: We've killed up to Domo |
| 04:32.51 | Tem|Mag | Esamynn: This week will be our 4th instance |
| 04:32.53 | Guillotine | line 53 |
| 04:32.57 | Tem|Mag | (ever) |
| 04:33.28 | Esamynn | hmm, I should send you my fixed version of the CTRA Rag timer, its more accurate and it will start automatically on attempts after the first one, care to help me test it? |
| 04:33.43 | Tem|Mag | sure, but we aren't there yet |
| 04:33.45 | Nomad_Wanderer | Heh.. Out of combat rezzing for the win.. jUst rezzed half the raid duing combat :) |
| 04:33.54 | Tem|Mag | It will be sunday at the earliest before we fight Rag |
| 04:34.10 | Tem|Mag | and probably not until next sunday before we make a valid attempt |
| 04:34.21 | Esamynn | yes, I understand that, but its tought me me to test it now because my guild rarely does Rag in more than 1 try and i often miss the night we clear MC on |
| 04:34.36 | Esamynn | tought for me* |
| 04:34.40 | Esamynn | tough* |
| 04:34.42 | Esamynn | sigh |
| 04:35.54 | Tem|Mag | ah I understand |
| 04:36.11 | Tem|Mag | Wednesday, Sat and Sun nights are our MC nights |
| 04:36.17 | Esamynn | i'm pretty confident in it, but I'd love to get another few tests done before I send it to the CT people, plz msg me an email addy, and don't worry about any time presure |
| 04:36.20 | Tem|Mag | Wednesdays we start a new instance |
| 04:36.37 | Tem|Mag | Last week we did all the way through golemagg in one night |
| 04:36.52 | Esamynn | oh hmm, the only thing is, the MT or someone close to Rag needs to be running my version for it to start correctly, darn |
| 04:37.10 | Iriel | Guillotine : So yes, exactly the one I thought would be the problem 8-) |
| 04:37.12 | Esamynn | maybe i'll just send it to the CT people in hopes they'll just get it into 1.5 |
| 04:37.29 | Esamynn | Tem|Mag: grats :) |
| 04:37.50 | kremonte | Iriel : (in regards to GuilBot) - you think GuilBotFacts[Info] = {} would remedy the problem? |
| 04:37.51 | Guillotine | Iriel: so should I be setting GuilBotFacts[Fact] to a value or jsut add in the extra if statement? |
| 04:38.11 | Iriel | Well, let me edit the pastebin to make it cleaner |
| 04:38.27 | kremonte | Guillotine abuses comments |
| 04:39.22 | Osagasu | By the time I download it the stress will be closed |
| 04:39.45 | Gryphon | wont miss much |
| 04:40.17 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/464808 |
| 04:40.34 | Iriel | oops, typo. one sec |
| 04:40.50 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/464809 |
| 04:40.55 | Tem|Mag | finally... pulling mag again |
| 04:41.11 | kremonte | gl tem :) |
| 04:41.24 | Tem|Mag | Is there a way to hide guild chat in a window? |
| 04:41.28 | Tem|Mag | I just want to view officer chat |
| 04:41.31 | kremonte | ya |
| 04:41.43 | kremonte | right click the tab (General default) |
| 04:41.49 | kremonte | under filters -> channels uncheck Guild |
| 04:42.04 | Esamynn | that removes officer chat as well though I think |
| 04:42.09 | Tem|Mag | it does |
| 04:42.19 | kremonte | :( |
| 04:42.26 | Esamynn | I don't think you can in default UI Tem :( |
| 04:42.45 | kremonte | and if tem wrote something to do it for him, he'd crash MC 8( |
| 04:44.01 | Esamynn | I think you should ~lart him for that one Tem :P |
| 04:44.11 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 04:44.12 | purl | to make room for the TUNA! |
| 04:50.06 | Tem|MC|Trash | Whipe yo sef off Mags; you dead. |
| 04:50.31 | Tem|MC|Trash | Curses! |
| 04:50.35 | Tem|MC|Trash | More plate |
| 04:50.46 | AnduinLothar | ill take the extra plate |
| 04:50.47 | kergoth | whats that from... that movie with chris tucker and jackie chan, right? the second one? |
| 04:50.48 | Iriel | Poor squishy mage |
| 04:51.19 | Tem|MC|Trash | kergoth wins the prize |
| 04:51.31 | Tem|MC|Trash | Iriel: the funny part is, I don't actually want loot |
| 04:51.43 | AnduinLothar | LOL |
| 04:51.45 | Tem|MC|Trash | I wan the rest of the mages to drain their points >< |
| 04:52.09 | Guillotine | omg everyone... the world is ending! Iriel was wrong!!!! lol. that wasn't the bug apparently. the exact same thing happened |
| 04:52.10 | AnduinLothar | ah, ok. that makes more sense. u want the good loot for urself |
| 04:52.27 | Tem|MC|Trash | so when we get to golemagg, the mageblade will be mine |
| 04:52.31 | AnduinLothar | pleasure delayer |
| 04:52.46 | Tem|MC|Trash | Really, I have what I came to MC for already |
| 04:52.52 | Tem|MC|Trash | the rest of it is just gravy |
| 04:52.58 | Tem|MC|Trash | (ToEP) |
| 04:53.05 | Iriel | I dont really like gravy. |
| 04:53.18 | AnduinLothar | ill take some gravy.... my guild cant even get past the 1st boss.. |
| 04:53.19 | Tem|MC|Trash | I could live on rice and gravy |
| 04:53.27 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tekkub (n=tekkub@ip70-178-70-29.ma.dl.cox.net) |
| 04:54.06 | Iriel | Dum de dum, non p2p wow update is slow. |
| 04:54.31 | AnduinLothar | this should be default wow too http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2776 |
| 04:54.36 | Guillotine | Interface/Addons/GuilBot/GuilBot.lua:53: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value). help plz? |
| 04:55.13 | Guillotine | wow... i still can't believe Iriel was wrong... |
| 04:55.18 | Guillotine | thats like... never happened before |
| 04:56.01 | Guillotine | oh wait. nm. i forgot to copy it into the actual WoW folder... |
| 04:56.05 | Guillotine | that could be the problem |
| 04:56.07 | kremonte | nice one |
| 04:56.21 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 04:56.23 | Bela|WOW | stupidity prevails again! ohnoes! |
| 04:56.36 | Esamynn | ~lart Guillotine |
| 04:56.44 | kremonte | ~rlart |
| 04:56.50 | kremonte | ouch |
| 04:56.51 | Esamynn | Hey Bela |
| 04:57.01 | Bela|WOW | hey |
| 04:57.04 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 04:57.18 | Tem|MC|Trash | aww |
| 04:57.25 | Tem|MC|Trash | I had a homerun record |
| 04:58.02 | Esamynn | Bela|WOW: what's the min version of Dreamweaver you need for your extension on WoWI? I have an version of DW3 kicking around, but it looks like it's too old |
| 04:59.39 | Bela|WOW | I think MX (the first one) is minimum |
| 04:59.55 | Esamynn | darn, oh well |
| 05:00.19 | AnduinLothar | Lol http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2831 |
| 05:00.25 | Bela|WOW | cant get the edumational version? |
| 05:00.31 | Bela|WOW | err |
| 05:00.37 | Esamynn | I hadn't thought of that actually |
| 05:01.10 | Bela|WOW | oh god,pbsong |
| 05:01.58 | AnduinLothar | It's Penut Butter Jelly Time! |
| 05:02.30 | kergoth | heh, there was a boogiebox sound collection that played that song whenever a tauren male danced |
| 05:03.55 | Esamynn | jeez, Price on those programs has gone up since I got DW3 |
| 05:04.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dukeku_ (i=dukeku@c-67-160-162-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 05:05.24 | Tem|MC|Trash | pure brilliance |
| 05:06.09 | Esamynn | haha |
| 05:06.51 | Esamynn | darn it, no upgrade pricing on the educational version |
| 05:06.56 | Esamynn | not that I expected one |
| 05:08.19 | Cairenn | Tem|MC|Trash: you've never seen it that way before? |
| 05:08.51 | Esamynn | still, I won't be buying it, too expensive to simply use for WoW stuff |
| 05:08.57 | Tem|MC|Trash | Seen wha-- huh? |
| 05:09.00 | Esamynn | hey Cair |
| 05:09.09 | Cairenn | edumacational |
| 05:09.26 | Iriel | Bela said Edumational tho, which is a whole new misspelling |
| 05:09.33 | Esamynn | ~give Tem|MC|Trash a cookie |
| 05:09.34 | purl | ACTION gives Tem|MC|Trash a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up. |
| 05:09.41 | Tem|MC|Trash | mmmm |
| 05:09.44 | Tem|MC|Trash | ~give me a pie |
| 05:10.00 | Cairenn | true Iriel |
| 05:15.37 | Tem|MC|Trash | Ever get like halfway through an instance and wish you hadn't agreed to go because you'd much rather be working on a mod? |
| 05:16.12 | Esamynn | just code while running MC :P |
| 05:17.43 | Tem|MC|Trash | I'm trying |
| 05:17.57 | Tem|MC|Trash | but I'd be WAY more effective if I didn't have to keep tabbing back in to hit AM |
| 05:18.13 | Esamynn | haha |
| 05:18.20 | Tem|MC|Trash | it's times like right now I wish I ha da bot |
| 05:18.29 | Tem|MC|Trash | s/ha d/had / |
| 05:19.44 | kergoth | http://www.last.fm/user/kergoth/ ... Tracks Played: 9649 ... damn.. i listen to a shitload of music |
| 05:20.35 | Tem|MC|Trash | WTB AE spells that auto target at the base of my current target |
| 05:21.15 | Esamynn | ~give Tem|MC|Trash a pie |
| 05:21.16 | purl | ACTION bakes Tem|MC|Trash a home-baked apple pie |
| 05:21.49 | Esamynn | fixing it |
| 05:23.07 | Esamynn | ~give me a pie |
| 05:23.09 | purl | ACTION gives esamynn a home-baked apple pie |
| 05:23.15 | Esamynn | better, now I need some more pie types |
| 05:23.32 | kremonte | ~literal give me a pie |
| 05:23.33 | purl | ACTION gives kremonte a home-baked apple pie |
| 05:23.38 | kremonte | o_O |
| 05:23.40 | Esamynn | hehee |
| 05:23.47 | Esamynn | there is a trick to it :P |
| 05:23.47 | kremonte | ~literal give |
| 05:23.49 | purl | "give" is "the channel flag" |
| 05:23.53 | kremonte | wth? |
| 05:23.58 | Esamynn | ~literal cmd: give (.*?) a pie |
| 05:24.00 | purl | "cmd: give (.*?) a pie" is "($1): <action> gives $1 a home-baked apple pie" |
| 05:24.04 | kremonte | ah |
| 05:24.13 | Esamynn | ~literal cmd: give $1 a pie |
| 05:24.23 | Esamynn | nope, has to be the first one |
| 05:24.39 | Esamynn | give me some pie types and I'll add them |
| 05:24.51 | kremonte | cherry pie |
| 05:24.54 | kremonte | blueberry! |
| 05:25.01 | kremonte | pumpkin |
| 05:26.21 | Iriel | rhubarb |
| 05:26.22 | kergoth | mmm, pumpkin pie |
| 05:26.24 | Iriel | custard |
| 05:26.34 | Iriel | lemon meringue |
| 05:26.41 | Cairenn | lemon meringue! |
| 05:27.02 | Fanook|Zzz | pizza |
| 05:27.11 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 05:27.12 | Iriel | that's amore! |
| 05:27.13 | pagefault | going to level up my gnome rogue now |
| 05:27.14 | Esamynn | sure |
| 05:27.17 | Iriel | I can't do the accent tho |
| 05:27.32 | Esamynn | ~give Iriel a pie |
| 05:27.33 | purl | ACTION gives Iriel a home-baked pumpkin pie |
| 05:27.46 | Esamynn | ~give Fanzook a pie |
| 05:27.47 | purl | ACTION gives Fanzook a home-baked pumpkin pie |
| 05:28.00 | kergoth | ~literal cmd: give (.*?) a pie |
| 05:28.01 | purl | "cmd: give (.*?) a pie" is "($1): <action> gives $1 a home-baked (apple|cherry|pumpkin|blueberry|rhubarb|custard|lemon meringue|pizza) pie" |
| 05:28.01 | Esamynn | ~give kremonte a pie |
| 05:28.02 | purl | ACTION gives kremonte a home-baked lemon meringue pie |
| 05:28.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Matt@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 05:28.09 | Esamynn | ~give me a pie |
| 05:28.10 | purl | ACTION gives esamynn a home-baked cherry pie |
| 05:28.27 | kergoth | Esamynn: you should make it randomly decide to give you a pie with whipped cream on top, or with ice cream on the side :) |
| 05:28.43 | Esamynn | thats a good idea |
| 05:29.55 | Esamynn | ~give kergoth a pie |
| 05:29.57 | purl | ACTION gives kergoth a home-baked lemon meringue pie |
| 05:30.05 | Esamynn | no extras for kergoth |
| 05:30.46 | futrtrubl | can someone check out my code for rounding a number to a certain number of significant figures? http://wow.pastebin.com/464840 |
| 05:30.51 | kergoth | *sniff* |
| 05:32.32 | Esamynn | it's too bad floor and ceil can't take a 2nd argument to do stuff like that |
| 05:32.38 | Iriel | futrtrubl Err... |
| 05:33.11 | futrtrubl | ignore outnum, meant to delete it |
| 05:33.22 | Iriel | it mishandles negatives |
| 05:33.31 | futrtrubl | ahhhh, right |
| 05:33.37 | futrtrubl | thanks Iriel |
| 05:33.50 | Iriel | and traditionally you'd use math.ceil not math.floor |
| 05:33.52 | Esamynn | you know that you can just directly use the num argument instead of a temp right? |
| 05:34.19 | Iriel | Esamynn : he cant |
| 05:34.19 | futrtrubl | nope esamynn, num would get changed in the whiles |
| 05:34.25 | Iriel | Esamynn : he needs num intact at the end |
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| 05:34.34 | Iriel | futrtrubl : is this rounding for DISPLAY or for storage? |
| 05:34.35 | Esamynn | oh, I thought it was a by value pass |
| 05:34.42 | futrtrubl | why traditionally ceil? |
| 05:34.54 | futrtrubl | for display |
| 05:35.04 | futrtrubl | or for use in more math |
| 05:35.07 | Iriel | because 'rounding' traditionally turns 0.5 into 1 (or if you're a statistician, into 0 or 1 with equal probabilities) |
| 05:35.26 | Iriel | Well, for display, use string.format, because clean decimals dont always remain clean in binary format |
| 05:35.39 | futrtrubl | of course, I just grabbed the round function given on the lua wiki ;'] |
| 05:35.54 | Esamynn | so fix it! :) |
| 05:36.08 | Iriel | also... |
| 05:36.10 | futrtrubl | I WILL!!! ;'] |
| 05:36.20 | Iriel | a handy hint (if num isn't zero) |
| 05:36.26 | Tain | wow.pastebin.com/464844 |
| 05:36.32 | Iriel | at the top of your file: local LOG_10 = math.log(10) |
| 05:37.02 | Iriel | local digits = math.floor(math.log(num) / LOG_10) |
| 05:37.08 | Cairenn | actually, on that whole pie thing, some pie is good with cheese on the side as well (apple being prime example) |
| 05:37.20 | Tain | Or a cheese pie |
| 05:37.33 | Esamynn | but I can't control when it will add an extra or with what |
| 05:37.54 | futrtrubl | tain, that func is the same one I had |
| 05:38.02 | Esamynn | or else that would be a nice idea Cair |
| 05:38.07 | Esamynn | ~give Cairenn a pie |
| 05:38.09 | purl | ACTION gives Cairenn a home-baked cherry pie with ice cream on the side |
| 05:38.15 | Iriel | Whee, weather forecast for my trip: showers / party cloudy / mostly cloudy / showers / few showers / few showers / showers / showers / few showers |
| 05:38.27 | Cairenn | Iriel: trade ya! |
| 05:38.35 | Iriel | I'll pass thanks |
| 05:38.47 | Esamynn | hmm, sounds like Vancouver most of the year........ |
| 05:38.52 | Esamynn | Iriel's trip i mean |
| 05:38.52 | Cairenn | awww, I don't mind, really! You can have my 30+ cm of snow! |
| 05:39.14 | Esamynn | Vancouver > Toronto ;) |
| 05:39.14 | Iriel | That's probably why so many english folk feel at home in vancouver |
| 05:39.20 | Esamynn | j/k |
| 05:39.32 | Cairenn | Esamynn: Ottawa > Toronto too, your point? |
| 05:39.58 | Esamynn | nah, too many trees here for English to feel at home, they cut theirs down |
| 05:40.05 | pagefault | toronto smells |
| 05:40.09 | Esamynn | hehe, silly me Cair, bad assumption |
| 05:40.10 | pagefault | I should know I live next to it |
| 05:40.52 | Esamynn | Still, I couldn't live out east, the best skiing is over here :) |
| 05:41.01 | Iriel | Esamynn : Not all of them! |
| 05:41.42 | pagefault | we have xr skiing |
| 05:41.43 | pagefault | :P |
| 05:41.44 | Esamynn | I have 3 mountains within a 20 minute drive of me, top that |
| 05:41.50 | Iriel | local digits = math.floor(math.log(num) / LOG_10) + 1; -- Corrected 8-) |
| 05:42.40 | futrtrubl | for about http://wow.pastebin.com/464847 oh, need to add this correction |
| 05:43.15 | Iriel | I live at the foot of Mt Diablo, It's a 40 minute drive to the ocean, 25 minutes to the bay, I can be in wine country in less than an hour... |
| 05:43.17 | pagefault | :P |
| 05:43.39 | futrtrubl | do I need to check for negatives with that? |
| 05:43.44 | Esamynn | you're not in the east though :P |
| 05:43.52 | Iriel | no, nor would I wish to be |
| 05:44.06 | Iriel | futrtrubl : You're best just negating a negative up front, and restoring the sign when you're done |
| 05:44.09 | pagefault | EST is the best time zone |
| 05:44.13 | futrtrubl | k |
| 05:44.14 | Tem|MC|TrashMobs | oh joy I love having a lousy connection in MC |
| 05:44.28 | Esamynn | PST > EST (imho) ;) |
| 05:44.35 | pagefault | bah |
| 05:44.39 | pagefault | you guys are living in the past |
| 05:44.49 | Esamynn | guilty as charged :P |
| 05:45.09 | futrtrubl | is there a modulus function in math (math.mod returns a remainder I believe) or do I need to do if (num < 0) then .... |
| 05:45.10 | pagefault | hehe |
| 05:45.16 | Bela|WOW | coming from someone in the computer industry, PST is much better for business than EST |
| 05:45.22 | Bela|WOW | ;P |
| 05:45.24 | futrtrubl | hmmm, maybe I should check for 0s too |
| 05:45.26 | Iriel | math. mod IS the modulus function (that's what remainder is) |
| 05:45.28 | pagefault | closer to china and taiwan |
| 05:45.30 | pagefault | :P |
| 05:45.34 | Iriel | 0 needs to have a special case, if you're using log |
| 05:45.59 | Esamynn | i'm curious Bela, your reasons for saying that are (not that I don't agree) |
| 05:46.10 | futrtrubl | math.mod(num,1)? |
| 05:46.16 | Tain | So I haven't been following along, what exactly was the problem with the first piece of rounding code? |
| 05:46.19 | Bela|WOW | do some reasearch on all of the major companies at the top of the industry |
| 05:46.23 | Bela|WOW | and there location |
| 05:46.24 | Tain | I'm actually using it in VisorGUI |
| 05:46.44 | Bela|WOW | that and my dad lives in Pheonix |
| 05:46.54 | pagefault | actually a lot of the work is all done in india/taiwan/china |
| 05:46.58 | pagefault | the paperwork is done here |
| 05:47.01 | Bela|WOW | so I hear all the time how I should move there and get a job at so and so |
| 05:47.03 | Esamynn | ....................... |
| 05:47.15 | pagefault | outsourcing ftl |
| 05:47.19 | futrtrubl | nothing really with the first piece, well apart from potential probs with binary representation |
| 05:47.19 | Iriel | yeah |
| 05:47.22 | Esamynn | imported code sucks pagefault |
| 05:47.31 | pagefault | I didn't say it was a good thing |
| 05:47.37 | Iriel | Outsourcing can be effective for SOME tasks |
| 05:47.44 | Fanook|Zzz | Iriel: correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't floor(x) + 1 == ceil(x)? |
| 05:47.45 | Bela|WOW | like rice farming |
| 05:47.48 | Iriel | but it's misunderstood and misused too often |
| 05:47.50 | Bela|WOW | oh did I say that out loud? |
| 05:47.53 | Iriel | Fanook|Zzz : No |
| 05:48.11 | Esamynn | at least in my one and only experience it did, company ended re-writing most of the code they had the offshore company do |
| 05:48.13 | Iriel | Fanook|Zzz : There's a difference for integers |
| 05:48.14 | Fanook|Zzz | oh, right, integer values would be different |
| 05:48.36 | pagefault | it will get better though |
| 05:48.37 | Fanook|Zzz | *facepalm* |
| 05:48.38 | Iriel | *nod* @ Esamynn - I've got 2nd hand experience of that exact same issue. |
| 05:48.41 | pagefault | and when it does we are all screwed |
| 05:48.44 | pagefault | because the jobs will be there |
| 05:48.55 | Bela|WOW | not sure programming is ever something that should be outsourced |
| 05:48.57 | Iriel | Indeed, it IS getting better in fact, over just the last few years |
| 05:49.06 | Bela|WOW | if you are a programming firm that is |
| 05:49.07 | Iriel | Plus people are getting better at choosing what to outsource... |
| 05:49.12 | kergoth | when i was at TI, _half_ of my software engineering department was in india |
| 05:49.22 | Iriel | Need to do a mindless change to a million lines of code -- Outsource it. |
| 05:49.28 | pagefault | technology is moving so fast that soon outsourcing something to india will be a "normal" thing to do |
| 05:49.34 | pagefault | like sending it down the hall to someone's office |
| 05:49.40 | Iriel | Need to develop a custom solution in a hurry for a US based company, you'd better have your best developers in the US |
| 05:49.44 | futrtrubl | ok, how about http://wow.pastebin.com/464850 |
| 05:49.54 | Bela|WOW | yeah, totally agree there Iriel |
| 05:49.58 | AnduinLothar | It's Penut Butter Jelly Time! |
| 05:50.01 | pagefault | if you have two development teams on each side of the globe working on the same code |
| 05:50.06 | pagefault | you get way more productivity |
| 05:50.11 | pagefault | no one is sleeping |
| 05:50.24 | Esamynn | software development is not something that can be totally outsourced, or even mostly |
| 05:50.25 | Bela|WOW | that requires a lot of communication |
| 05:50.31 | Bela|WOW | and at that point it becomes less outsource |
| 05:50.33 | Iriel | futrtrubl : why did you put LOG_10 in your table rather than making it a file-local (Just curious to know) |
| 05:50.54 | pagefault | communication technology will make that a moot point |
| 05:50.58 | kergoth | Esamynn: i disagree. there's no reason it cannot |
| 05:51.17 | kergoth | i never had a hard time working with the ti employees in india. /me hugs IRC |
| 05:51.17 | Iriel | I dunno, you still have to properly subdivide your code to make that doable |
| 05:51.21 | futrtrubl | no real reason, though I might use it in BEBOptions |
| 05:51.22 | Bela|WOW | like everything else, it really depends on what you hope to get out of it |
| 05:51.30 | Esamynn | when I say outsourced, I mean offshore |
| 05:51.33 | pagefault | it's silly to resist it |
| 05:51.37 | pagefault | you might as well adapt to it |
| 05:51.45 | Bela|WOW | I disagree there pagefault |
| 05:51.58 | Bela|WOW | nothing says a company MUST outsource |
| 05:51.58 | Iriel | modnum is certainly not what you want, either, I dont think. |
| 05:52.13 | pagefault | of course not |
| 05:52.17 | pagefault | but money is everything |
| 05:52.19 | futrtrubl | and there is a problem, it should be return BEB.round(num, expo-figs) |
| 05:52.20 | kergoth | theres plenty of technically adept people in the countries it gets offshored to. |
| 05:52.21 | Tain | The CFO usually says a company must outsource. |
| 05:52.23 | Bela|WOW | and it isn't a trend that is going to just take over |
| 05:52.30 | pagefault | if you can buy the same thing for $1 somewhere and 25 cents somewhere else |
| 05:52.33 | pagefault | which would you buy |
| 05:52.37 | futrtrubl | uhhh, figs-expo even |
| 05:52.43 | Bela|WOW | depends |
| 05:52.51 | Tain | It sort of already has taken over, Bela. |
| 05:52.54 | Bela|WOW | I would rather have the 1$ quality |
| 05:52.57 | pagefault | now say you had to buy a million of those |
| 05:52.58 | Bela|WOW | $1 |
| 05:53.00 | pagefault | no |
| 05:53.00 | Iriel | pagefault is right, but again, right now it's NOT the same thing |
| 05:53.03 | pagefault | they are the same quality |
| 05:53.15 | Bela|WOW | in a perfect word |
| 05:53.17 | Bela|WOW | world* |
| 05:53.23 | Iriel | It's 1$ quality work, and 25c for something that might be shoddy |
| 05:53.31 | Iriel | but that quality differential is shrinking all the time |
| 05:53.36 | kergoth | a lot of absolute crap comes out of taiwan and india, but a lot of good stuff does too. the problem today is that most of those people lack experience |
| 05:53.36 | Bela|WOW | right |
| 05:53.36 | pagefault | just because you are in some other country doesn't mean you cannot produce the same or better than is produced here |
| 05:53.37 | kergoth | but thats changing. |
| 05:53.38 | Iriel | Having said that, the price gap will start shrinking too |
| 05:53.42 | pagefault | to be honest we are lazy compared to over there |
| 05:53.46 | pagefault | they are much harder working than we are |
| 05:53.51 | Bela|WOW | again |
| 05:53.54 | kergoth | as they gain experience, they're becoming as adept, or nearly as adept, as those here |
| 05:53.55 | Iriel | it's the greedy western fronts to these operations that screw it up |
| 05:53.57 | Bela|WOW | I agree with what Iriel said |
| 05:54.07 | kergoth | speaking from personal experience, working closely with ti's developers in india on a daily basis |
| 05:54.30 | pagefault | yes I was not talking about right now |
| 05:54.31 | Iriel | if you can develop a relationship with a solid team, you'll do okay |
| 05:54.34 | pagefault | but things change very fast |
| 05:54.39 | Bela|WOW | and our own eagerness to invest in offshore work will cause other countries to slowly inflate proces just like it did here |
| 05:54.43 | Esamynn | I have to agree with Iriel, as they get better their price will come a lot closer to ours |
| 05:54.50 | Tain | I work with people in India who are top notch and know their stuff. And I work with people from India who are absolutely clueless to what they're supposed to be doing. |
| 05:54.52 | pagefault | our economic boom is over |
| 05:54.56 | Tain | sounds kind of like mmy entire office. |
| 05:55.00 | futrtrubl | and you were correct before, the +1 is incorrect |
| 05:55.01 | kergoth | Tain: indeed |
| 05:55.03 | pagefault | it's a new industrial age over there |
| 05:55.10 | Iriel | I can replace Tain's entire statement replacing 'India' with 'The US' |
| 05:55.24 | Iriel | I mean, REPEAT Tain's entire statement 8-) |
| 05:55.31 | Tain | Or you could have read the next line. :) |
| 05:55.32 | Bela|WOW | if that were true pagefault, china would not be so eager to invest in companies over here |
| 05:55.33 | Esamynn | or just about anywhere in fact |
| 05:55.45 | pagefault | why would they invest in a more expensive investment |
| 05:55.49 | pagefault | when they can get the same thing cheaper? |
| 05:55.56 | Bela|WOW | heh |
| 05:56.02 | Iriel | well, china has some cultural issues to overcome |
| 05:56.13 | pagefault | yes but those are changing |
| 05:56.24 | Iriel | but they're getting there, I dont think there's any reason why that would be radically different within 2 generations |
| 05:56.25 | Bela|WOW | http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0128/p03s01-usec.html |
| 05:56.26 | kergoth | right. they have clueful folks and those who are not, offshore, speaking of india and taiwain specifically, as we do here. the main issue with them as things stand today is a lack of experience, and that is changing |
| 05:57.00 | Iriel | Well, the other issue is communication (language, and cultural reference) |
| 05:57.22 | Iriel | And that's really where I think offshoring fails, in the design and understanding of a client/customer's needs |
| 05:57.32 | pagefault | the funny thing is |
| 05:57.35 | pagefault | most of them come here to train |
| 05:57.40 | Esamynn | I couldn't have said it better myself Iriel |
| 05:57.40 | pagefault | so they are getting the same training as us |
| 05:57.42 | Bela|WOW | yup |
| 05:57.51 | pagefault | then taking the skills back home |
| 05:57.52 | Iriel | Obviously as the globe becomes more homogenous even that will start to fade |
| 05:58.05 | Tain | I still want to know what's wrong with the rounding function. |
| 05:58.12 | Esamynn | noooo, DOWN WITH GLOBALIZATION!!! j/k |
| 05:58.22 | kergoth | silly tain and his "being on topic" |
| 05:58.25 | Bela|WOW | which brings up another question |
| 05:58.28 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 05:58.29 | purl | right now, you are the ruler of jack and s*it... and jack left town |
| 05:58.29 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 05:58.29 | AnduinLothar | It's Penut Butter Jelly Time! |
| 05:58.35 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 05:58.35 | purl | kergoth: :) |
| 05:58.35 | Bela|WOW | is windows prduct activation in india? |
| 05:58.58 | Iriel | No idea, i've always done it electronically |
| 05:59.01 | Esamynn | ~lart AnduinLothar |
| 05:59.06 | Bela|WOW | I have had to call them |
| 05:59.09 | Bela|WOW | a few times |
| 05:59.12 | Bela|WOW | and let me tell ya |
| 05:59.24 | Bela|WOW | serious language divide there |
| 05:59.27 | Iriel | My DSL support appears to be, and it's frustrating as hell |
| 05:59.49 | Iriel | But part of that is the whole 'companies dont tell you what's actually broken' policy of the modern world. |
| 06:00.07 | Bela|WOW | so true |
| 06:00.22 | Bela|WOW | I had a discussion about that a few months ago with another director |
| 06:00.27 | pagefault | i'm sure if you phone tech support some helpful chap in india will be of service to you ;) |
| 06:00.29 | Tain | Down with the man. |
| 06:00.34 | Bela|WOW | talking about how much we should disclose and not disclose |
| 06:00.37 | Iriel | It used to be 'Oh, there's a router down in San Jose, and that's in your network path' |
| 06:00.56 | Bela|WOW | now its, we are aware of the issue, please be patient |
| 06:01.01 | Iriel | And now it's "There are issues affecting some of the bay area, you may be experiencing that" |
| 06:01.07 | pagefault | I had to phone my ISP's tech support a while ago, and I could actually understand the guy |
| 06:01.09 | pagefault | I was amazed |
| 06:01.20 | Iriel | I'd be happy with 'we ARE aware of the issue' |
| 06:01.21 | pagefault | but you know the key is demand for service in french |
| 06:01.26 | Tain | That's because the people answering the phone for you Iriel don't know what, "a router down in San Jose" means. |
| 06:01.27 | pagefault | because then they can't give you an outsourced call |
| 06:01.28 | Bela|WOW | I like it when techs come to my house and tell me shit that I know to be coming out of their ass |
| 06:01.37 | Tem|Gehennas | you've got to be kidding me |
| 06:01.44 | Tem|Gehennas | we just wiped on gehannas |
| 06:01.46 | AnduinLothar | It's Penut Butter Jelly Time! |
| 06:01.54 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 06:01.56 | purl | If I had a hole in my throat, I'd put pennies in it |
| 06:01.56 | Tem|Gehennas | this is rediculous |
| 06:01.59 | pagefault | that reminds me |
| 06:02.10 | pagefault | the cable guy came here once and messed up everything |
| 06:02.11 | Bela|WOW | uhh |
| 06:02.14 | pagefault | I had to fix his own work :/ |
| 06:02.17 | Bela|WOW | that was a funny one from purl |
| 06:02.19 | Esamynn | ouch |
| 06:02.26 | Tain | Yeah Bela, but I find it's best to just nod and let them babble, when you try to point it out he'll just be there longer arguing. |
| 06:02.33 | pagefault | typical of rogers |
| 06:02.37 | Bela|WOW | nah |
| 06:02.45 | Bela|WOW | they know me now |
| 06:02.51 | Bela|WOW | hehe |
| 06:02.55 | Esamynn | Rogers == El Diablo |
| 06:03.02 | pagefault | yes |
| 06:03.07 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 06:03.08 | Bela|WOW | when I call I tell them whats wrong |
| 06:03.09 | pagefault | I refuse to call the skydome the rogers centre |
| 06:03.19 | pagefault | it sounds wrong |
| 06:03.30 | Cairenn | pagefault: where are you? |
| 06:03.33 | Tain | If you tell them what's wrong you're just going to confuse the person whose job it is to answer the phone and read a skript. |
| 06:03.40 | pagefault | Cairenn, in the GTA |
| 06:03.42 | Bela|WOW | good |
| 06:03.44 | Cairenn | ... |
| 06:03.45 | Bela|WOW | they need a good confusing |
| 06:03.46 | Cairenn | where |
| 06:03.49 | pagefault | Markham |
| 06:03.52 | Bela|WOW | people don't know how to think for themselves anymore |
| 06:03.56 | Iriel | Yeah, pretending to be using windows just to get to the next level of support is something i've done on more than one occasion |
| 06:04.06 | Cairenn | <== Ottawa, I know GTA names :p |
| 06:04.17 | Cairenn | actually, Kanata, but meh |
| 06:04.18 | pagefault | ah well if I said the town people are like wtf?! where is that |
| 06:04.23 | pagefault | yeah you are in a suburb too |
| 06:04.36 | kergoth | Iriel: meh, if i do that, they'll be trying to get me to reboot and crap. i tell them i'm using linux, whether i am or not, so they dont know enough to spout a bunch of nonsense |
| 06:04.40 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:04.48 | Cairenn | hubby is originally from Guelph |
| 06:04.49 | Iriel | That's never worked for me |
| 06:04.53 | Beladona | what ever happened to creativity anyway? I mean seriously |
| 06:04.56 | pagefault | nice town that place is |
| 06:04.57 | Iriel | I just get 'we dont support that, sorry' |
| 06:05.21 | Iriel | I can very convincingly pretend to reboot a fictional windows box though |
| 06:05.23 | Beladona | oh yeah I hear ya Iriel |
| 06:05.25 | pagefault | I am going to move as far north as possible while maintaining broadband |
| 06:05.27 | pagefault | when I get my own place |
| 06:05.35 | Esamynn | ~cheer Iriel |
| 06:05.36 | purl | Three cheers for Iriel! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! |
| 06:05.43 | Beladona | I know it in my head so I can just recite it to them |
| 06:06.09 | Tain | Just play the windows shutdown and startup sounds from somewhere. |
| 06:06.16 | Tain | that's more than enough |
| 06:06.17 | Esamynn | hehehe |
| 06:06.19 | Beladona | yeah right |
| 06:06.22 | Iriel | You dont even need the sounds |
| 06:06.27 | Cairenn | so am I like the only one here that actually *does* use windows? :p |
| 06:06.35 | Iriel | I use windows for games |
| 06:06.36 | pagefault | I am currently using it |
| 06:06.37 | Iriel | And for iTunes |
| 06:06.38 | kergoth | i use windows sometimes |
| 06:06.39 | pagefault | does that count |
| 06:06.39 | Beladona | a 5 year old in teh background making the child laugh sound from 98 |
| 06:06.40 | Iriel | and for work email |
| 06:06.41 | Iriel | and visio |
| 06:06.44 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 06:06.45 | Iriel | and word, sometimes |
| 06:06.49 | kergoth | rarely, since linux outperforms it in wow for me |
| 06:06.53 | pagefault | crossoveroffice |
| 06:06.55 | pagefault | and you are done Iriel |
| 06:06.56 | Iriel | I just find it awkward, interface wise |
| 06:07.00 | Tain | I use Windows for games and work where I'm required to. |
| 06:07.04 | Esamynn | Windows is still my main desktop platform, but I often work in linux whenver possible |
| 06:07.20 | Iriel | At work I have a windows desktop, and then a linux laptop (my own, at this point in time) |
| 06:07.30 | Beladona | ditto |
| 06:07.32 | Iriel | at home I have desktops of both flavors |
| 06:07.40 | pagefault | if WoW runs as well as kergoth says it does |
| 06:07.45 | Beladona | well I bring the laptop home |
| 06:07.48 | futrtrubl | how would I get string.format to format say 123456 to 123000 |
| 06:07.51 | pagefault | then I am just going to go back to pure linux, since it's the only game I need windows for |
| 06:08.04 | Esamynn | I've heard that Wine will run WoW better than Windows on the same hardware |
| 06:08.04 | Guillotine | GuilBot LIIIIIIVES!!!! |
| 06:08.12 | Esamynn | i've been meaning to try it myself |
| 06:08.13 | Guillotine | only bug so far is capitalization matters |
| 06:08.21 | futrtrubl | actually nm. string.format is too much trouble |
| 06:08.27 | Tain | My Linux system doesn't have the firepower to run WoW. |
| 06:08.33 | Guillotine | and when I do string.lower it crashes when a link is used in something |
| 06:08.35 | kergoth | pagefault: the only thing i cant run well in linux atm is my clients for ubernet and ubermovie. cant find a decent directconnect client for linux :\ |
| 06:08.39 | Guillotine | but ill finish that tomorow |
| 06:08.42 | Iriel | Yeah, my linux deskop is my old old gaming machine |
| 06:08.44 | Beladona | my laptop has about the same power as my desktop |
| 06:08.46 | pagefault | kergoth, won't run in wine or something? |
| 06:08.53 | Cairenn | night Guillotine |
| 06:08.54 | AnduinLothar | It's Penut Butter Jelly Time! |
| 06:08.55 | kergoth | nope |
| 06:09.08 | Iriel | I drop new machines in at the top for windows, and everything else trickles down |
| 06:09.08 | pagefault | submit a patch :) |
| 06:09.21 | kergoth | meh, unlike our friend TD, i do NOT want to end up hacking on wine |
| 06:09.21 | pagefault | you will be a hero |
| 06:09.29 | pagefault | wine is really awful |
| 06:09.34 | pagefault | code wise |
| 06:09.46 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:09.49 | Beladona | Anduin is stuck on that PBJ thing |
| 06:09.53 | pagefault | it's amazing it works at all |
| 06:09.59 | Esamynn | ~lart AnduinLothar |
| 06:10.09 | pagefault | you could always just use vmware though for DC |
| 06:10.10 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 06:10.10 | purl | kergoth: aw, gee |
| 06:10.15 | kergoth | pagefault: yeah, thats a good point |
| 06:10.17 | AnduinLothar | It's Penut Butter Jelly Time! |
| 06:10.17 | pagefault | for DC vmware win98 or something |
| 06:10.19 | AnduinLothar | It's Penut Butter Jelly Time! |
| 06:10.22 | Esamynn | ~lart AnduinLothar |
| 06:10.22 | pagefault | something that doesn't use a lot of powr |
| 06:10.29 | kergoth | or i'll just port one of hte windows clients i use to linux |
| 06:10.33 | pagefault | that too |
| 06:10.34 | kergoth | you know, they use lua for some stuff |
| 06:10.35 | kergoth | oddly enough |
| 06:10.41 | pagefault | wasn't it written in VB though |
| 06:10.44 | pagefault | the main client |
| 06:11.09 | pagefault | hmm |
| 06:11.16 | pagefault | I wonder if there is a .NET version of DC++ |
| 06:12.08 | Esamynn | later all, good talking to you |
| 06:12.23 | pagefault | I wish they would have released the WoW linux client like they had in beta |
| 06:12.26 | pagefault | that was so promising |
| 06:12.28 | Cairenn | night Esamynn |
| 06:14.04 | futrtrubl | ok, this one should be perfect.... http://wow.pastebin.com/464864 |
| 06:14.21 | AnduinLothar | It's Penut Butter Jelly Time! |
| 06:15.00 | Cairenn | ~smack AnduinLothar |
| 06:15.02 | purl | ACTION smacks AnduinLothar upside the head. |
| 06:15.11 | pagefault | bam! right in the kisser! |
| 06:15.22 | Cairenn | mind you ... how many of you actually know what a record is, even :p |
| 06:15.25 | futrtrubl | not sure that worked, may need to take more drastic measures |
| 06:15.36 | futrtrubl | ~kick AnduinLothar |
| 06:15.37 | purl | bugger off sod! |
| 06:15.37 | kergoth | i had a 45 when i was 8, i think it was |
| 06:15.43 | kergoth | it had "Wild Wild West" by the Escape Club on it |
| 06:15.43 | Tain | Records. Hah! |
| 06:15.47 | pagefault | those things you throw to dogs and were once used for storing audio centuries ago? |
| 06:15.54 | futrtrubl | that's not what I meant purl |
| 06:15.56 | kergoth | and "Push It" by Salt N' Pepa on the other side |
| 06:16.28 | pagefault | they were like the first version of DRM unintentionally |
| 06:16.32 | pagefault | they wear out as you play them |
| 06:16.36 | Cairenn | lol Tain, chances of people knowing what 8tracks is even less |
| 06:16.46 | Iriel | Unless you use a laser playback system, but those are expensive. |
| 06:16.58 | pagefault | or you do what that guy on slashdot did and scan them |
| 06:16.59 | pagefault | hehe |
| 06:17.01 | Iriel | Knowing what they ARE, not so difficult, lots of pop culture references |
| 06:17.11 | Iriel | Having actually SEEN and TOUCHED one, however... |
| 06:17.13 | Cairenn | *knowing* what they are, though ... |
| 06:17.23 | pagefault | I didn't know they made a laser one though |
| 06:17.25 | pagefault | thats nifty |
| 06:17.50 | Iriel | I'm not even sure if they're generally available, but I know they exist for archival purposes. |
| 06:18.09 | pagefault | hmm |
| 06:18.25 | pagefault | I wonder why they didn't use it when they did the cylinder project |
| 06:18.31 | Iriel | http://www.elpj.com/ |
| 06:18.41 | Iriel | What do you know.. ELP Laser Turntable, starting list price, $15,000 |
| 06:18.48 | pagefault | haha |
| 06:18.52 | pagefault | rich man's toy |
| 06:19.30 | Cairenn | not a laser though, that's certain |
| 06:19.34 | pagefault | I wonder how the sound is |
| 06:20.13 | pagefault | people argue this but I find LP's have a warmer sound |
| 06:20.14 | Iriel | The one article I could found said it sounded 'flat' |
| 06:20.47 | pagefault | gotta love that name |
| 06:20.49 | pagefault | declicker |
| 06:21.03 | pagefault | oh I read that wrong |
| 06:21.06 | pagefault | I thought it was dec-licker |
| 06:22.31 | pagefault | well that is one of the few things I would put a white album in |
| 06:22.32 | Iriel | If you're the kind who really does care what people think of the sound: http://www.high-endaudio.com/RC-ELP.html |
| 06:26.38 | pagefault | he may be an audiophile |
| 06:26.43 | pagefault | but he is no good at web design |
| 06:26.43 | pagefault | :) |
| 06:30.10 | AnduinLothar | It's Penut Butter Jelly Time? |
| 06:30.29 | Osagasu | O.O |
| 06:30.38 | AnduinLothar | :-D |
| 06:33.01 | AnduinLothar | ur right, that site sucks as a site |
| 06:33.25 | Iriel | The content is what's important, not the look |
| 06:33.42 | Iriel | Are you guys in your early-mid 20's (or younger) perchance? |
| 06:33.49 | AnduinLothar | right, people with web skill usually have the oppositte problem |
| 06:33.51 | pagefault | yeah I know |
| 06:33.52 | Iriel | because ALL of the web used to look like that |
| 06:33.53 | pagefault | I was just kidding |
| 06:34.10 | kergoth | be glad it doesnt have a disgusting distracting background image |
| 06:34.13 | kergoth | tiled |
| 06:34.44 | pagefault | no beatles on his list :( |
| 06:34.44 | AnduinLothar | ya. my first site i made in jr high looked more interesting and layed out... |
| 06:35.01 | Iriel | What year would that have been AnduinLothar ? |
| 06:35.06 | pagefault | is he actually listening to the music or the sound |
| 06:35.28 | Iriel | I suspect both pagefault, these people take it a bit, seriously, on both fronts. |
| 06:35.35 | AnduinLothar | oh come now ir, u dont need to ask to find out my age |
| 06:36.01 | Iriel | I just wanted a frame of reference (I have no idea what age jr high is, so you'd be safe anyway) |
| 06:36.22 | AnduinLothar | who said i wanted to be safe? |
| 06:36.27 | pagefault | I would assume most people in here are in their 20's |
| 06:36.39 | pagefault | I know some are older |
| 06:36.42 | Osagasu | O.O |
| 06:37.04 | Osagasu | Since when does WoWI require a LA to download? |
| 06:37.20 | AnduinLothar | just the tking ones |
| 06:37.37 | Osagasu | ah |
| 06:43.38 | AnduinLothar | you just want a refrence to base my verbally expressed ignorance for text based simple web layout? |
| 06:44.35 | AnduinLothar | on the plus side it would render fine on a new palm T5 |
| 06:44.44 | AnduinLothar | or TX |
| 06:47.40 | AnduinLothar | movie time |
| 06:48.07 | Iriel | I just unplugged my media shelf, poor thing, all dark no glowy lights |
| 06:53.24 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 07:03.12 | Cairenn | Iriel, what time do you head out? |
| 07:04.30 | Iriel | flight is about 4:30 tomorrow (pm) |
| 07:04.49 | Cairenn | which explains why you are still about |
| 07:05.08 | Iriel | procrastination lots of odds and ends also explains that! |
| 07:05.27 | Iriel | I've still got to finish off some work, squeeze a few more albums onto the ipod, and pay some bills. |
| 07:05.36 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:11.18 | Osagasu | I hate fileplanet. |
| 07:11.57 | Osagasu | I really truly hate it. |
| 07:12.21 | Osagasu | I started downloading the DDO Stress... over 6 hours ago now. |
| 07:12.36 | Osagasu | ITS ONLY AT 36 MEGAbYTES! |
| 07:12.38 | Osagasu | >< |
| 07:13.03 | Iriel | Are you a member? |
| 07:13.30 | Osagasu | I'm a subscriber, yes. |
| 07:13.54 | Iriel | wow, then you should email them and complain |
| 07:13.58 | Iriel | 'cos that's awful |
| 07:14.14 | Osagasu | but paying or no, there is no reason why I should download about .05 megs then stop for 5 minutes |
| 07:14.30 | Iriel | well, except everyone else is downloading DDO stress |
| 07:14.33 | Iriel | so their servers are HAMMERED |
| 07:14.42 | Osagasu | They have caps on their servers for a reason |
| 07:15.09 | Osagasu | Its gonna be sunday before it finishes. The damn thing only lasts till Saturday |
| 07:15.34 | Osagasu | It wasn't even this bad with WoW |
| 07:17.48 | Osagasu | oh oh, 37 megs |
| 07:18.07 | Osagasu | I'd leave my Computer on all night if it wouldn't keep me awake |
| 07:20.35 | Tem | Yay for /nothing/ dropping for casters tonight |
| 07:20.50 | Tem | plate, leather and mail the whole time |
| 07:21.29 | Osagasu | karma. what'd you do to deserve this? |
| 07:21.45 | Tem | heh |
| 07:22.05 | Tem | It's probably because I only wanted mage loot to drop so that I would have competition for the loot I actually want |
| 07:22.12 | Tem | s/have less/ |
| 07:22.18 | Tem | s/have/have less/* |
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| 07:33.42 | futrtrubl | how do I get math.mod to return the streight modulus of a number? math.mod(num,num+1) ? |
| 07:34.43 | Kolth | Straight modulus? |
| 07:35.52 | futrtrubl | so it returns the number with a positive sign, no matter what |
| 07:36.34 | Iriel | that's what it's supposed to do |
| 07:36.36 | futrtrubl | actually math.mod returns an integer so I can't use it |
| 07:36.58 | Iriel | No it doesn't |
| 07:37.00 | Iriel | > return math.mod(2.37, 1); |
| 07:37.02 | Iriel | 0.37 |
| 07:37.11 | Osagasu | yay, 40 megs |
| 07:37.11 | futrtrubl | not exactly iriel, it returns the remainder after first arg is devided by second arg |
| 07:37.13 | Osagasu | >< |
| 07:37.32 | futrtrubl | hmmm, the lua short reference is wrong then |
| 07:37.36 | Iriel | Oh actually, it does what YOu want it to do |
| 07:37.39 | Iriel | > return math.mod(-2.37, 1); |
| 07:37.40 | Iriel | -0.37 |
| 07:38.08 | futrtrubl | no, in that case I would want it to return 2.37 |
| 07:38.16 | Kalroth | just use math.abs then, heh |
| 07:38.19 | Iriel | eh? |
| 07:38.20 | Iriel | why? |
| 07:38.29 | futrtrubl | that's the one I wanted Kalroth |
| 07:38.33 | Kalroth | uhm, 2.37? then it isn't modulus you're looking for |
| 07:38.35 | Iriel | -2.37 / 1 = 2 whole, with 0.37 remainder |
| 07:39.44 | futrtrubl | maybe I was tought different nomenclature, we were tought that the modulus was |number| and was the positive value of number |
| 07:41.01 | Iriel | ah, that'd explain it 8-) |
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| 08:07.29 | Depherios | Zul'Farrak isn't an instance? |
| 08:08.03 | Iriel | It is |
| 08:08.30 | Depherios | huh... browing around in Wow Cartographe, not used to instances having minimaps that show on overhead to the world XD |
| 08:08.46 | Depherios | and it's listed funny on the dungeon page on worldofwarcraft.com so--made me wonder |
| 08:08.57 | Iriel | hm, well, I dont know if it has any wackiness |
| 08:09.00 | Iriel | but it's definitely an instance |
| 08:09.40 | Depherios | they list RFC and the alliance equivilant and Zul'Farrak seperately from the rest of the dungeons, dunno why |
| 08:15.28 | norganna | i believe mod(val) is modulo |
| 08:15.54 | norganna | (not modulus) |
| 08:16.26 | norganna | but i could be wrong |
| 08:17.40 | norganna | wikipedia says: modulus = the modulus of a number is its absolute value. |
| 08:18.10 | norganna | modulo = a modulo n is the remainder after numerical division of a by n |
| 08:19.22 | Iriel | I'd say you were right |
| 08:19.41 | Iriel | though it's been 14 years since I was a math major |
| 08:19.43 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 08:20.57 | norganna | i hate math |
| 08:21.04 | norganna | it's dirty |
| 08:21.31 | Cairenn | math is one of the few truly clean things in this world |
| 08:21.38 | Depherios | lol, I must agree |
| 08:21.41 | Depherios | I love math, but I suck at it |
| 08:22.10 | norganna | nup - just take complex numbers for example |
| 08:22.13 | Kalroth | What's the exact value of Pi*2, Cair? :p |
| 08:22.28 | krka|work | to be technical, a modulo isn't the same thing as remainder |
| 08:22.29 | Kolth | Kalroth: Isn't that 2Pi? |
| 08:22.33 | norganna | a hack because the number system couldn't handle reality |
| 08:22.37 | Iriel | An infinitely long number doesn't make something dirty. |
| 08:22.45 | Kalroth | Kolth: value! I need a number, with all possible digits! |
| 08:22.51 | Kolth | Why? |
| 08:23.07 | Kolth | Everyone knows math is art, art is made of symbols |
| 08:23.09 | Kolth | !! |
| 08:23.24 | krka|work | are you implying that math is unclean because you can't fully write irrational numbers in decimal form? |
| 08:23.25 | Iriel | I fear you're confusing 'simple' with 'clean' |
| 08:23.35 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:23.47 | norganna | hahah - i just don't like it cause it's hard... |
| 08:23.57 | SP|Sorren | can you write irrational numbers fully in any form? |
| 08:23.58 | krka|work | i wish all programming languages and apis would call it remainder instead of mod |
| 08:23.58 | Cairenn | actually, it would be a more correct statement on my part to say that math is one of the few truly "pure" things in this world, as opposed to clean, but ... |
| 08:24.01 | Kolth | I like maths because they can "click" |
| 08:24.03 | Kalroth | krka: no, I'm implying that the fact that we use numbers we can't even define properly is unclean |
| 08:24.13 | krka|work | SP|Sorren, pi is 1 in base pi :) |
| 08:24.15 | Iriel | But we CAN define it completely |
| 08:24.23 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 08:24.24 | Iriel | We just can't write it out in decimal |
| 08:24.24 | krka|work | no wait, it's 10 in base pi |
| 08:24.28 | Depherios | lol @ krka |
| 08:24.40 | Depherios | base pi would make pi 1 |
| 08:24.42 | Kalroth | Iriel: How do we know it's correct then? :p |
| 08:24.52 | Iriel | well, by nature of its definition |
| 08:24.55 | Depherios | or, whatever you wanted it to be |
| 08:24.57 | krka|work | indeed |
| 08:24.58 | SP|Sorren | no his correction is correct :P |
| 08:25.02 | Iriel | there is a construction for it |
| 08:25.05 | krka|work | you can use taylor series and stuff to define pi |
| 08:25.26 | SP|Sorren | how do they calculate pi? O.o |
| 08:25.29 | Kolth | The numbers we use just describe the world around us. Pi is merely another number that describes things. It should be good enough to use. |
| 08:25.30 | Depherios | well... base pi... would make pi 10 then... UGH I can handle hex :P *sticks with hex* |
| 08:25.32 | Iriel | You can't have a non-integer 'base' though, rationally |
| 08:25.38 | Iriel | not for written expression |
| 08:25.47 | SP|Sorren | oo |
| 08:25.54 | Depherios | hence my brain exploding Iriel |
| 08:25.57 | Iriel | it's better than the physics *cough* constants *cough* |
| 08:26.08 | Fanook|Zzz | no no, in base pi, 10 is pi^2....i think |
| 08:26.13 | Iriel | No.. |
| 08:26.14 | SP|Sorren | no |
| 08:26.16 | Kolth | hah |
| 08:26.19 | Iriel | in base 10, 10 is 10 |
| 08:26.22 | Iriel | 10 is not 1 |
| 08:26.24 | Depherios | I think my brain.. just shot out the back of my head |
| 08:26.37 | Fanook|Zzz | right right |
| 08:26.44 | krka|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi |
| 08:26.49 | krka|work | there you can read how to define pi |
| 08:26.50 | norganna | in base pi, 2 is circle :) |
| 08:26.57 | Depherios | yes, but how do you count then XD you'd need to use base pi*10 |
| 08:27.01 | krka|work | I like wallis and leibniz |
| 08:27.18 | SP|Sorren | what is 2 in base pi :/ |
| 08:27.24 | Depherios | or too much would be parts |
| 08:27.32 | Depherios | or not enough' |
| 08:27.33 | Depherios | bah |
| 08:27.38 | Depherios | must be too late |
| 08:27.45 | SP|Sorren | i see why you can't have a non-integer base o.O |
| 08:27.45 | norganna | 2 is yummy |
| 08:27.59 | Depherios | I can handle metric time, hex, binary... |
| 08:28.00 | norganna | i like 2 pie better than one... |
| 08:28.03 | SP|Sorren | i want apple pie :| |
| 08:28.08 | krka|work | well, you can use non-integer bases for some stuff, but it breaks for others |
| 08:28.20 | Fanook|Zzz | in base pi, 2 would be a...um... piimal? |
| 08:28.41 | Depherios | pi + pi = 2 |
| 08:28.46 | Depherios | no |
| 08:28.53 | SP|Sorren | pi + pi = 20 |
| 08:28.54 | Depherios | pi / 5 = 2 |
| 08:29.08 | SP|Sorren | no, thats not right either |
| 08:29.16 | krka|work | since pi = 10, then yes |
| 08:29.20 | SP|Sorren | no |
| 08:29.25 | SP|Sorren | in hex 10/5 != 2 |
| 08:29.26 | krka|work | no wait... hm |
| 08:29.29 | krka|work | sorry |
| 08:29.29 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:29.40 | SP|Sorren | boo |
| 08:29.43 | Depherios | not integar bases = brainmelt |
| 08:29.58 | Depherios | my head sloshes now |
| 08:30.28 | SP|Sorren | does 4 exist in base pi? |
| 08:30.31 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:30.48 | Fanook|Zzz | yes, we just have no idea what decimal number it represents :) |
| 08:30.57 | Depherios | precisely |
| 08:31.03 | SP|Sorren | are you sure? |
| 08:31.09 | Depherios | no |
| 08:31.11 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:31.11 | SP|Sorren | because 4 doesnt exist in base 3 |
| 08:31.16 | Depherios | well yes |
| 08:31.21 | Depherios | heh |
| 08:31.25 | Depherios | which way are you talking XD |
| 08:31.26 | SP|Sorren | and pi is less 4, so does 4 exist? |
| 08:31.32 | Depherios | if you're converting from base 10 to base pi |
| 08:31.39 | Depherios | 4 may or may not exsist |
| 08:31.42 | krka|work | there are negative bases too... those are weird |
| 08:31.43 | Depherios | (wouldn't I think) |
| 08:31.54 | SP|Sorren | negative bases? |
| 08:31.57 | SP|Sorren | how does that work? |
| 08:32.09 | Fanook|Zzz | i dont even want to think how those work, but please do go on |
| 08:32.17 | Depherios | but if you're converting from one two three four ACTUAL objects to pi, yes it would XD |
| 08:32.18 | krka|work | http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/55710.html |
| 08:32.29 | norganna | anyhow Iriel... I'm a linguist, not a mathematician, so that's how I know modulo and modulus. I couldn't tell one end of a derivative from another. |
| 08:33.00 | Depherios | wow... |
| 08:33.07 | SP|Sorren | bah i hate math, it requirse too much thought 8) |
| 08:33.10 | Depherios | negative bases |
| 08:33.27 | krka|work | a lot of useful math is unfortunately completely unintuitive |
| 08:33.36 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:34.20 | Tem | Tip: On your character sheep is a reputation tab that tells you your status with different groups. |
| 08:34.32 | Kalroth | baaah baah |
| 08:34.37 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:34.38 | Fanook|Zzz | character sheep? only if yer a mage |
| 08:34.40 | Depherios | thinking the same thing kal |
| 08:35.03 | Depherios | tab O_o I have rep with sheep? |
| 08:35.51 | krka|work | i think it's meant to be sheet, just a typo |
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| 08:36.00 | Kolth | sheet->Pane! |
| 08:36.09 | MoonWolf | ?? |
| 08:36.20 | Tem | it is a sheet instead of a sheep |
| 08:36.25 | Depherios | Tem: if there's people who don't know what their own abilities do, the basic, tooltip description of them... do you really expect them to know there's a faction rep pane? XD |
| 08:36.37 | Tem | Nope |
| 08:36.40 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:36.47 | Tem | The Tips are for noobs |
| 08:36.55 | Tem | but I find them amusing |
| 08:37.02 | Depherios | I did see that nice one that told me to press esc to cancel a spell |
| 08:37.07 | MoonWolf | the starting game tooltips were fun. the first time. |
| 08:37.12 | Depherios | took me too long to figure that out |
| 08:37.41 | MoonWolf | moving or jumping was easy enough to find out for me. |
| 08:37.44 | Depherios | (too long being just long enough for me to be rooted and try to cancel a spellcast) -- actually had a SpellcastStop() macro for awhile |
| 08:38.05 | Tem | What is the correct unit for font height? |
| 08:38.11 | Depherios | too often I want to stop casting my 4 second heal to shield or fear in a BG |
| 08:38.12 | Tem | "points"? |
| 08:38.17 | Iriel | well, it's pixels in wow |
| 08:38.25 | Tem | not with SetFont |
| 08:38.27 | Iriel | points in print |
| 08:38.37 | Kolth | Tem, I think 8-14 were reasonable values |
| 08:38.48 | Kolth | So it seemed pretty much like print. |
| 08:38.51 | Depherios | pixels but then the scale is applied |
| 08:39.21 | Depherios | 100% scale on 1024x760=pixels XD |
| 08:39.54 | krka|work | no, the tips are for newbs |
| 08:40.34 | Kalroth | (aka for Depherios!) |
| 08:40.59 | Depherios | aww thanks |
| 08:41.09 | Depherios | only been 6... no... 7 now months XD |
| 08:41.44 | Kalroth | :P |
| 08:42.22 | SP|Sorren | i've been playing for like a year and a month now @_@ |
| 08:42.34 | SP|Sorren | i think in another month it'll be a year since i hit 60 |
| 08:42.34 | SP|Sorren | ! |
| 08:42.53 | Depherios | heh... and my highest is still only 41 XD |
| 08:43.06 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 08:43.22 | Depherios | then again, not many level nearly every class to 20 before they pick one to level to 60 XD |
| 08:43.23 | norganna | it's like a month since i hit 60, and i've been here since the start :) |
| 08:43.42 | Depherios | and yeah... interface stuff |
| 08:43.57 | SP|Sorren | 8) |
| 08:44.08 | SP|Sorren | i didnt pick up messing w/ interface stuff until recently ;o |
| 08:44.24 | Depherios | I had flexbar running in my first week |
| 08:44.36 | Depherios | default bar hidden in that same week |
| 08:44.55 | SP|Sorren | i had cosmos |
| 08:44.58 | SP|Sorren | for like the first 3 months :P |
| 08:45.07 | Tem | Rofl! |
| 08:45.10 | Tem | I crash wow |
| 08:45.14 | Depherios | I picked up cosmos... then trashed most of it |
| 08:45.22 | Tem | I win again |
| 08:45.23 | Kalroth | I hooked the Direct3D interface and drawed my own interface! |
| 08:45.31 | norganna | yeah, cosmos was my first interface too |
| 08:45.32 | SP|Sorren | omg it was terrible on patch days with cosmos |
| 08:45.40 | SP|Sorren | the cosmos site would always be pounded to hell |
| 08:45.43 | Depherios | still run a bit of it though, which is why I want earth fixed XD |
| 08:45.47 | norganna | yup yup |
| 08:45.49 | SP|Sorren | and we'd all be "nooo! my buuuuttooooons!" |
| 08:45.53 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:46.15 | norganna | sigh |
| 08:46.21 | norganna | time to go home again... |
| 08:46.32 | SP|Sorren | i go back home on sunday |
| 08:46.43 | SP|Sorren | luckily, ive got a ride, so i can lug my pc with me, w00t |
| 08:47.38 | norganna | c'yall |
| 08:48.18 | MoonWolf | Tem, how did you do it this time ? |
| 08:48.20 | Iriel | What did you do THIS time tem? |
| 08:48.31 | MoonWolf | write a guide, crashing wow 1001 way/? |
| 08:48.40 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:48.42 | Cairenn | night norganna |
| 08:48.46 | MoonWolf | now how did that last word get so fucked up. |
| 08:48.56 | Depherios | I did it |
| 08:48.57 | Depherios | with my MIND |
| 08:49.01 | SP|Sorren | crazy. |
| 08:50.01 | Tem | FontStrings |
| 08:50.04 | Tem | They are messy |
| 08:50.14 | Tem | Looks like it's a new bug |
| 08:50.24 | Tem | I just tried on live and it doesn't appear to work |
| 08:50.38 | Tem | going back to test realm to try again |
| 08:51.01 | Tem | Tip: You can use the Tab key to select nearby enemies in front of you. |
| 08:51.09 | MoonWolf | ilol |
| 08:52.11 | SP|Sorren | that tip lies |
| 08:52.21 | SP|Sorren | i had this warrior beating my face in on me today |
| 08:52.27 | SP|Sorren | and i tried to tab target him |
| 08:52.31 | Tem | all the tips that assume your keybindings lie |
| 08:52.31 | SP|Sorren | and got like the 3 people behind me |
| 08:52.40 | SP|Sorren | before i got to him :( |
| 08:52.42 | Depherios | O_o |
| 08:52.43 | Depherios | odd |
| 08:52.46 | Depherios | could you SEE them? |
| 08:52.57 | Tem | Hrm... I'm having a hard time reproducing it |
| 08:53.02 | SP|Sorren | yah, my camera was angled in such a way that i could see my side |
| 08:53.10 | Depherios | yeah, I think that's why |
| 08:53.20 | Depherios | it uses your visual cone |
| 08:53.27 | SP|Sorren | i did spin my character towards the warrior though |
| 08:53.32 | Depherios | never targets what you can't see |
| 08:53.44 | SP|Sorren | it doesnt target the closest first either |
| 08:53.47 | Depherios | I've had that happen before too, but only if I can see them, never out of camera |
| 08:54.01 | Depherios | it targets the most centered first |
| 08:54.13 | SP|Sorren | really :/ |
| 08:54.18 | Depherios | yup |
| 08:54.25 | Depherios | I live off of that hotkey |
| 08:54.28 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:54.32 | Tem | I want to go find whoever at blizzard named the default font "FRIZQT__.TTF" and kick him squarely in the balls |
| 08:54.37 | Tem | I can /never/ remember that |
| 08:54.38 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:54.46 | Depherios | it's not even what it's supposed to be called |
| 08:54.47 | MoonWolf | its an awesome default font name and you know it. |
| 08:54.55 | MoonWolf | who needs default.ttf anyway. |
| 08:55.03 | Tem | Not to my dyslexic brain it's not |
| 08:55.05 | Depherios | don't call that in addons though D: |
| 08:55.09 | Depherios | it makes me have to modify the addon |
| 08:55.21 | SP|Sorren | ^agree |
| 08:55.38 | Tem | have you any idea how hard it is for me to remember the order of the Z Q and T? |
| 08:55.43 | SP|Sorren | its too tough on my less-than-perfect eyes. |
| 08:55.53 | Depherios | every new SCT I have to go in and replace it, lol |
| 08:55.54 | SP|Sorren | think of it as "is cutie" |
| 08:55.55 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 08:56.23 | Depherios | ZQT? |
| 08:56.32 | Depherios | oh dur |
| 08:56.47 | Depherios | I always think of it as Friz cutie XD so yeah |
| 08:56.59 | Depherios | but then I forget how many underscores there are |
| 08:57.09 | MoonWolf | two underscores.... |
| 08:58.14 | Tem | Bah! I can't make it crash again |
| 08:58.22 | Iriel | What do you THINK you did? |
| 08:58.30 | Iriel | (I have to say I've had a couple of mysterious problems with 1.9) |
| 08:58.38 | Iriel | (like, ones I acn reproduce reliably until I TRY to) |
| 08:59.00 | Tem | /script TardFontFrameText:SetFont("Fonts\\FRIZQT__.TTF",13,"THICKOUTINE, MONOCHROME") |
| 08:59.21 | Tem | doing that crashed me |
| 08:59.28 | Kolth | spelling? |
| 08:59.29 | Iriel | But doesn't anymore? |
| 08:59.37 | Tem | lol |
| 08:59.38 | Tem | spelling |
| 08:59.50 | Iriel | OUTINE ? |
| 08:59.53 | Iriel | Not OUTLINE? |
| 09:00.02 | Kalroth | :) |
| 09:00.12 | Tem | nope, fixing the spelling it doesn't crash |
| 09:00.44 | Cairenn | I don't know the proper way of saying it for WoW, but ... if player = Tem, crash WoW :p |
| 09:00.56 | Cairenn | need anything more be said? :p |
| 09:00.57 | Iriel | I did look for Tem's name in the executable, it's not there |
| 09:01.03 | Iriel | but I dont know what the account name is |
| 09:01.05 | Iriel | so maybe it is |
| 09:01.23 | Tem | I swear that there is a GM assigned to watch me |
| 09:01.35 | Tem | His job is to follow me around and make stuff happen that isn't supposed to |
| 09:01.51 | Tem | I swear to you he pushed me into the lava in MC earlier |
| 09:02.01 | MoonWolf | i bet that was some priest. |
| 09:02.35 | Tem | grr! I hate having bugs I can't reproduce |
| 09:02.58 | Cairenn | better than having bugs that reproduce! |
| 09:05.15 | Cairenn | you're as mean as I am, krka|work |
| 09:05.39 | krka|work | nah, you're nice and sweet |
| 09:05.46 | Cairenn | *dimples* |
| 09:05.50 | Tem | krka|work is mistaken. Tem /can/ reproduce, but he is unable to recreate whatever conditions crashed wow 10 minutes ago. |
| 09:06.00 | SP|Sorren | anyone know what the name of that questionmark texture is for when your bag cant find the correct item texture? :P |
| 09:07.57 | Tem | I guess I'll make a post anyway. Maybe slouken will look in the general area and see whatever broke. |
| 09:08.50 | Cairenn | warning, slouken = seeming somewhat cranky and out of sorts these days |
| 09:09.49 | MoonWolf | work stress |
| 09:10.15 | Cairenn | amongst other things but I'll not tell tales out of school |
| 09:10.36 | Tem | Iriel: is there a place where wow logs the crash info? |
| 09:10.48 | Tem | I accidently closed it thinking I could reproduce it easily |
| 09:11.10 | Kolth | In your WoW folder |
| 09:11.55 | Tem | I'm looking but I don't see anything |
| 09:12.01 | Kolth | sec |
| 09:12.12 | Kolth | in \Errors ? |
| 09:12.17 | Tem | >< |
| 09:12.19 | Iriel | Tem: I really dont know.. |
| 09:12.35 | Iriel | I usually stop what i'm doing and type in the info on another machine 8-) |
| 09:13.22 | Tem | ya it's under \Errors |
| 09:13.46 | Fanook|Zzz | Sorren: FrameXML\InventoryItems\WoWUnknownItem01.blp |
| 09:16.23 | Tem | So exactly how useful is all the stacktrace memory dump stuff? |
| 09:16.28 | Tem | should I bother posting it all? |
| 09:17.00 | SP|Sorren | w00t thx fanook |
| 09:17.52 | Tem | screw it, slouken gets it all |
| 09:17.55 | Iriel | It's useful for him |
| 09:18.17 | Iriel | I believe he can track that back to a piece of code fairly easily |
| 09:18.56 | Tem | whoops! I posted with the wrong character |
| 09:19.51 | Tem | all better |
| 09:20.00 | Depherios | lol, I love how warcraftrealms lets me see how I leveled XD |
| 09:20.34 | Tem | Depherios: ? |
| 09:20.39 | Depherios | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/char/16148343 |
| 09:20.48 | Depherios | level, and date |
| 09:22.17 | SP|Sorren | is there any way to tell if SetPortraitTexture() failed? |
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| 09:23.22 | Tem | SP|Sorren: check the texture element? |
| 09:23.50 | SP|Sorren | well, for 1.8 |
| 09:24.09 | SP|Sorren | you can only do that in 1.9 |
| 09:24.13 | SP|Sorren | think 1.9 will be out next week? |
| 09:24.47 | Cairenn | there's been a patch on test within the last couple days, so nope |
| 09:25.05 | SP|Sorren | bah |
| 09:25.39 | SP|Sorren | im dissapointed in these christmas decorations :( |
| 09:26.00 | Cairenn | it's been the pattern that a patch doesn't go live until there's been a solid week of no updates on Test |
| 09:26.14 | Cairenn | now, they could surprise us, but that's the pattern thus far |
| 09:26.56 | SP|Sorren | these decorations severly dissapoint, since ive dug up pictures of ffxi christmas decorations :( |
| 09:28.55 | Depherios | okay, spinebeaker is scaring me... according to warcraft realms... not only are ther emore undead than NEs and Humans... but horde outnumber alliance on the server |
| 09:29.29 | SP|Sorren | lies |
| 09:29.47 | Depherios | lol, horde side has more updates... but yeah, it gives a ratio of 1:1.3 |
| 09:29.56 | Depherios | so it's got to be close, at the very least |
| 09:30.24 | Depherios | spinebreaker is a big aussie server though, and as far as I know, they're all horde, lol |
| 09:30.46 | Depherios | 4 out of the top 10 guilds are aussie guilds horde side |
| 09:30.46 | SP|Sorren | wow my servers at a 1:1 |
| 09:30.58 | SP|Sorren | we apparantly have more undead than ne/human too lol |
| 09:31.04 | Depherios | more people playing horde lately overall according to the histrograms |
| 09:31.09 | Depherios | err |
| 09:31.14 | Depherios | more people playing horde lately than before |
| 09:31.54 | Depherios | alliance numbers dropping, horde staying the same... actually :P |
| 09:37.25 | SP|Sorren | sigh my pet on the test server makes me sad |
| 09:37.45 | Depherios | your pet on the test server makes me happy |
| 09:38.08 | SP|Sorren | he'll still eat your face, cuz your a lowbie :P |
| 09:38.17 | Depherios | after the 10th time in a BG every hunter sicks their pet on the priest |
| 09:38.45 | Depherios | let alone that they SWIM as fast as they run :P |
| 09:38.50 | SP|Sorren | i just kill preists 8) |
| 09:39.00 | SP|Sorren | this means i can get a crab though |
| 09:39.03 | SP|Sorren | that'd be hot |
| 09:39.06 | SP|Sorren | a level 60 crab |
| 09:39.39 | SP|Sorren | heh |
| 09:39.50 | Depherios | too bad I never play my hunter |
| 09:40.09 | Depherios | deadzone drives me nuts, I'd rather be a squishy warlock with a wand XD |
| 09:40.28 | Depherios | oh... wand and no pet feeding |
| 09:40.37 | Depherios | at least crabs eat fish though |
| 09:41.00 | SP|Sorren | deadzones not so much of a problem |
| 09:41.16 | SP|Sorren | not much is a problem anymore, since they buffed hunters |
| 09:41.21 | SP|Sorren | i think we were a bit overbuffed |
| 09:41.30 | Depherios | yeah, I haven't played my hunter since the last patch |
| 09:41.33 | Depherios | (on them) |
| 09:41.37 | Depherios | he's just been sitting there |
| 09:41.39 | Tem | Mages everywhere agree |
| 09:41.43 | Depherios | haven't played my druid since they buffed them |
| 09:41.47 | Tem | Hunters were overbuffed |
| 09:41.52 | Depherios | haven't played my warlock since they buffed them XD |
| 09:41.54 | SP|Sorren | only a) warriors in epic lewts and b) druids and c) some warlocks give me a problem |
| 09:42.05 | SP|Sorren | one of our guild warriors has ashkandi :( |
| 09:42.06 | Iriel | Tem: ALL hunters, or just BM? |
| 09:42.09 | SP|Sorren | he makes me QQ |
| 09:42.13 | Tem | Iriel: I'm not sure |
| 09:42.15 | SP|Sorren | bm is a joke, its not strong |
| 09:42.24 | SP|Sorren | mages only whine because they dont know what to do |
| 09:42.36 | Tem | Oh I can beat em |
| 09:42.44 | Tem | but it takes all of my cooldowns |
| 09:42.49 | Tem | and a bit of luck |
| 09:42.53 | SP|Sorren | scatter shot is much more powerful :/ |
| 09:43.16 | SP|Sorren | by bm i mean going down to bw |
| 09:43.23 | SP|Sorren | some of the bm talents are great though, <3 intimidation |
| 09:43.53 | krka|work | really? hunters went from being a joke to overpowered? |
| 09:43.57 | krka|work | interesting |
| 09:44.09 | krka|work | and useful pets? |
| 09:44.09 | krka|work | cool |
| 09:44.32 | SP|Sorren | oh |
| 09:44.38 | SP|Sorren | shadowpriests absolutely dominate hunters |
| 09:44.40 | SP|Sorren | of every build |
| 09:44.45 | Depherios | lol, yeah |
| 09:44.47 | SP|Sorren | add them to the list of classes that beat hunters |
| 09:44.51 | Depherios | I generally can, depending on their level/gear |
| 09:45.09 | SP|Sorren | i have to hope for the aimedshot + multi shot + auto shot crit |
| 09:45.14 | Depherios | mind flay is just the right range eh Sorren? XD |
| 09:45.15 | SP|Sorren | and then hope the priest is stupid |
| 09:45.46 | Depherios | I'm too used (right now) to higher levels |
| 09:45.48 | SP|Sorren | god i look so bad on the test server :/ |
| 09:46.09 | Depherios | can't remember the last 1v1 I had with an even level hunter... I need to duel more, or level in places wow tells me to XD |
| 09:47.09 | SP|Sorren | get to 60 |
| 09:47.16 | Depherios | yeah, that's the plan |
| 09:47.17 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 09:47.26 | Depherios | but I don't know if I want to face people where GEAR is now the problem XD |
| 09:47.28 | Depherios | rather than level |
| 09:47.29 | SP|Sorren | i dont remember what its like |
| 09:47.30 | krka|work | that's not a plan, that's a goal |
| 09:47.33 | SP|Sorren | running into higher levels |
| 09:47.37 | Depherios | lol |
| 09:47.40 | Depherios | think better gear |
| 09:47.46 | SP|Sorren | i dont remember that either |
| 09:47.49 | Depherios | lol |
| 09:47.53 | Depherios | make another char then XD |
| 09:48.05 | SP|Sorren | too lazy haha |
| 09:48.08 | SP|Sorren | i rolled a druid |
| 09:48.09 | Depherios | lol |
| 09:48.09 | SP|Sorren | got to 32 |
| 09:48.20 | Depherios | Druid speeds up about then though |
| 09:48.25 | Depherios | until then they level sloooow |
| 09:48.26 | SP|Sorren | got tired of how sluggish it killed stuff |
| 09:48.27 | SP|Sorren | really? |
| 09:48.30 | Depherios | yeah |
| 09:48.30 | SP|Sorren | maybe ill go back |
| 09:48.51 | SP|Sorren | i wouldnt mind doing mc/bwl on a druid |
| 09:48.56 | SP|Sorren | i think it'd be a good change of pace |
| 09:49.03 | SP|Sorren | from /cast Autoshot |
| 09:49.07 | SP|Sorren | ./chat on irc |
| 09:49.17 | Depherios | talents start to matter, cat form is damn near as good as a rogue, you can tear through everything like a rogue can, but with heals |
| 09:49.31 | SP|Sorren | i should respec |
| 09:49.35 | SP|Sorren | i currently have everything in resto |
| 09:49.41 | SP|Sorren | cuz i was gonna level it with some friends |
| 09:49.44 | Depherios | ahh |
| 09:49.49 | SP|Sorren | and just run around and heal em |
| 09:49.52 | Depherios | XD |
| 09:49.56 | SP|Sorren | then i played q4 for a month |
| 09:50.00 | SP|Sorren | and they outleveled me 8) |
| 09:50.03 | Depherios | lol |
| 09:51.25 | SP|Sorren | i see DArt doesn't save per character O.o |
| 09:51.39 | Depherios | one of the reasons I like dart XD |
| 09:51.55 | Depherios | it's just beta right now though, still... isn't it? -- no... that's discord frame modifier |
| 09:52.06 | Depherios | you know, when I realize I'm wrong, I really should just NOT HIT ENTER |
| 09:52.52 | SP|Sorren | omg my druid doesnt have the money to respec :( |
| 09:53.03 | Depherios | respecced already? or just broke? |
| 09:53.09 | SP|Sorren | just broke lol |
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| 10:06.01 | SP|Sorren | travelform is a godsend. |
| 10:07.02 | krka|work | yeah it sucks when you write something that you know is wrong and still hit enter |
| 10:08.15 | Depherios | does anybody know what blizzard was thinking when they made the Ankh of Life? |
| 10:09.07 | Depherios | it sucks more when you write something you know is wrong... correct yourself in text as that's what you were thinking... THEN hit enter |
| 10:09.38 | SP|Sorren | the desolace is so..desolate |
| 10:09.39 | Fanook|Zzz | hmmm, it's 5 am. what the hell am i still doing awake? |
| 10:10.06 | SP|Sorren | by your tag, it ssays you're asleep. |
| 10:10.12 | krka|work | it's cool that bliz actually managed to make it desolate |
| 10:10.16 | Depherios | no... really I see it for auction for like... 15g... and it heals..... 135 to 165... |
| 10:25.08 | AnduinLothar | Wow. That movie is Epic |
| 10:25.16 | AnduinLothar | You all must go see King Kong |
| 10:26.30 | Kolth | yes |
| 10:26.33 | Kolth | We will. |
| 10:27.01 | AnduinLothar | omg. the cg and action was phenominal.. |
| 10:27.28 | Kolth | Sweet |
| 10:27.51 | AnduinLothar | i could critique a few parts, but i wont cause the overall movie just leaves you with you mouth open. |
| 10:28.14 | Kolth | Ah, it's in my local theatre. |
| 10:28.17 | AnduinLothar | anyway. sleep |
| 10:28.32 | AnduinLothar | 3 wow hours long |
| 10:28.34 | Cairenn | night Karl |
| 10:29.00 | Kolth | night! |
| 10:29.13 | AnduinLothar | :) night peeps! |
| 10:30.09 | krka|work | king kong is such a ripoff, you know there was an old movie with the exact same name and plot? |
| 10:30.20 | Kolth | There were two. |
| 10:30.31 | Kolth | And the King Kong that just came out is in no way a rip off. |
| 10:30.32 | krka|work | even worse then! |
| 10:30.55 | Kolth | It was created to honor the original. |
| 10:30.55 | Cairenn | I believe the term they would prefer is "remake" |
| 10:31.42 | Kolth | Cair: "Homage" :P |
| 10:31.55 | Cairenn | mayhap |
| 10:32.00 | Kolth | They're calling it that. |
| 10:32.10 | Cairenn | but I didn't enjoy the original, so I'll pass on this one |
| 10:33.01 | krka|work | films about monarchies tend to suck :/ |
| 10:33.11 | krka|work | President Kong would be better! |
| 10:33.16 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:33.31 | krka|work | "don't blame me, I voted Kodo" |
| 10:33.48 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:34.03 | Cairenn | Actually, the one I'm wanting to go and see is Narnia, everything I've heard thus far says that they've done a credible job of remaining true to the books |
| 10:34.09 | Kolth | IT'S AMAZING |
| 10:34.27 | Kolth | Go go go go |
| 10:34.37 | Cairenn | and *all* too often, classic books made into movies just lose *so* much |
| 10:34.39 | krka|work | yeah, I'll check out narnia |
| 10:34.52 | krka|work | even though it's christian brainwash :P |
| 10:35.12 | Kolth | Bah! :P |
| 10:35.13 | Cairenn | That as may be, it's still a good set of books |
| 10:35.20 | krka|work | yes, but movies can never reduce anything, only add |
| 10:35.35 | Cairenn | krka|work: you're joking, right? |
| 10:35.40 | krka|work | no |
| 10:35.48 | krka|work | book + movie contains more than just book |
| 10:35.50 | Kolth | Cair: It's a rewritten copy of the Bible. |
| 10:36.13 | Cairenn | Kolth: I am quite aware of what it is, I've still got the series |
| 10:36.27 | Kolth | Oh, you're boggling at the other comment. |
| 10:37.02 | Cairenn | krka|work: I would debate that movies made from books add to them, all too often it is that they merely destroy what is otherwise a good story :p |
| 10:37.16 | Cairenn | because they don't remain true to them |
| 10:37.19 | krka|work | destroy? the original still remains! |
| 10:37.25 | Cairenn | not always, but too often |
| 10:37.31 | krka|work | no matter how bad the movie is, the original will always remain |
| 10:37.35 | krka|work | it can't destroy anything |
| 10:37.36 | Iriel | i'm not sure you can go as far as saying it's a re-written copy of the bible. |
| 10:37.52 | krka|work | have you read "my uncle the magician"? |
| 10:38.08 | Iriel | However it does have obvious biblical parallels, and can be mapped quite accurately to a many new testament things. |
| 10:38.21 | krka|work | and old testament |
| 10:38.52 | Cairenn | except how many children/youth in this day and age form their opinion based solely on a movie, having never read the original books, and thus lose so much, whereas if the movie remained true to the books ... |
| 10:39.35 | Cairenn | aaaanyway .... 5:40am, time to sleep :p |
| 10:39.48 | Cairenn | later all :) |
| 10:40.01 | krka|work | almost time for lunch! |
| 10:40.41 | Tem`zzz | night everyone |
| 10:41.54 | Cairenn|sleep | Iriel: as it's highly probable that I won't be on before you head off, have a safe trip and a nice vacation :) |
| 10:42.05 | Cairenn|sleep | Merry Christmas |
| 10:46.24 | Iriel | Thanks.. you too! |
| 10:46.24 | Iriel | I'll try hopping on from the UK |
| 10:46.24 | Iriel | but I dont know how successful I'll be |
| 10:47.11 | Ktron\wc3 | \nick Ktron\nite |
| 10:47.15 | Ktron\wc3 | lol |
| 10:47.36 | Ktron|nite | good night everyone |
| 10:48.11 | krka|work | yay! passed 500 =) http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?wowmfpet |
| 10:55.48 | Depherios | testing finished... shadowgaurd in no way causes blackout to proc |
| 10:56.30 | Depherios | on the other hand though, I did verify that it gets the 50% of spell damage bonuses for it's 1.5 second cast time |
| 11:07.43 | Depherios | bah... pulled a barrens giraffe ALMOST through drygulch |
| 11:09.02 | Depherios | if I didn't have blackout, I think I might have made it |
| 11:09.18 | Depherios | well through drygulch actually, was right at the end of it |
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| 11:35.32 | Iriel | Well folks, I think i'm finally done. |
| 11:54.33 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 11:54.42 | Codayus | Where's drygulch, anyhow? |
| 11:55.19 | Depherios | heh, it's that long canyon between Orgrimmar and Razor Hill |
| 11:55.26 | Codayus | Ah, right |
| 11:55.31 | Depherios | drygulch ravine |
| 11:55.55 | Depherios | I was like... 20 seconds away from the duelists in front of Org (my goal) XD |
| 11:56.08 | Depherios | as I know darn well one of them will kill it before I can get it into Org XD |
| 11:58.22 | Codayus | Heh, sweet |
| 11:58.22 | Codayus | And why am I not surprised that the troll priest racial is useless after all? :-) |
| 11:58.22 | Depherios | oh well... I'll pull something with more health later |
| 11:58.22 | Depherios | Because blizz hates Trolls |
| 11:58.22 | Depherios | they're the only mob besides humans you seem to consistently kill all over... and they make them suck |
| 11:58.22 | Codayus | heh |
| 11:58.22 | Depherios | the save the murloc videos were so right comparing the two |
| 11:58.22 | Codayus | well, I don't kill too many humans... |
| 11:58.22 | Depherios | You have little towns just like us! You're funny colors just like us! |
| 11:58.49 | Codayus | A lot of dwarves though... |
| 11:58.54 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:59.05 | Depherios | True, Dwarves are all later stuff though aren't they... |
| 12:00.15 | Codayus | Which is what reminded me. :-) |
| 12:01.38 | Depherios | lol |
| 12:02.41 | Codayus | Wee, beating up patrons is fun. |
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| 16:17.52 | malreth | mwrar~ |
| 16:19.03 | Legorol^ | miaow |
| 16:19.34 | Parak | nyan |
| 16:20.30 | Legorol^ | hssssss |
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| 16:26.04 | MoonWolf | woof |
| 16:26.09 | kremonte | moo |
| 16:26.20 | malreth | baaaaaa |
| 16:26.28 | kremonte | wan wan wan |
| 16:26.40 | Legorol^ | quack! |
| 16:26.41 | malreth | piyo piyo |
| 16:26.42 | MoonWolf | ??? |
| 16:27.36 | Tain | Ba weet grana weet ba ninny baum |
| 16:27.40 | malreth | diglet-dig diglet-dig |
| 16:27.45 | kremonte | lmao |
| 16:28.07 | MoonWolf | pika, pika, chu |
| 16:28.23 | malreth | peel, peel, peel |
| 16:28.48 | Legorol^ | roaaaaaaaaaarrrrr |
| 16:29.01 | kremonte | my druid's name is raar |
| 16:29.46 | MentalPower | mooooo |
| 16:30.02 | kremonte | ???? |
| 16:30.02 | kremonte | aw |
| 16:30.03 | kremonte | mirc doesnt support jp |
| 16:30.36 | malreth | ピヨ ピヨ |
| 16:30.47 | kremonte | ~x en jp woof woof |
| 16:30.55 | kremonte | =( |
| 16:30.55 | malreth | hahahaahaha! |
| 16:31.20 | Legorol^ | malreth: good job! |
| 16:31.25 | Legorol^ | you speak japanese? |
| 16:31.31 | malreth | did it actually show? wow! |
| 16:31.38 | malreth | i took 2.5 years of it |
| 16:31.39 | kremonte | i didn't see it ;( |
| 16:31.43 | Legorol^ | yeah, piyo piyo showed up as katakana |
| 16:31.47 | MoonWolf | this is what i was showing |
| 16:31.48 | MoonWolf | ピヨ ピヨ |
| 16:31.53 | kremonte | i typed wan wan but it showed as ???? |
| 16:31.54 | MoonWolf | seeing* |
| 16:31.59 | kremonte | what client are you using malreth? |
| 16:32.11 | malreth | Colloquy. IRC client for Mac OS X |
| 16:32.17 | kremonte | :( |
| 16:32.21 | Legorol^ | i use gaim as client |
| 16:32.30 | kremonte | oh gaim supports JP? |
| 16:32.31 | Legorol^ | and i see the japanese katakana that malreth and moonwolf are sending |
| 16:32.38 | Legorol^ | kremonte: i don't think it specifically supports jp |
| 16:32.44 | Legorol^ | it's a question of supporting unicode, |
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| 16:32.49 | Legorol^ | and the host system having a japanese font set |
| 16:32.52 | malreth | it just has to support utf8 |
| 16:32.58 | MoonWolf | There, throw some jap at me. |
| 16:33.11 | Legorol^ | i can't type japanese i'm afraid, i dont' have a japanese keyboard layout defined |
| 16:33.33 | MoonWolf | changed char set to SJIS |
| 16:33.40 | malreth | ポテートはどこですか。 |
| 16:33.42 | Legorol^ | malreth: i beleive that it's one thing that the irc client supports utf8, it also should have a japanese font installed |
| 16:33.50 | Legorol^ | malreth: lol, why are you looking for potatoes? |
| 16:34.04 | MoonWolf | is that what he said. |
| 16:34.05 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 16:34.09 | Legorol^ | yep |
| 16:34.17 | Legorol^ | he said: "where is the potato" |
| 16:34.19 | malreth | Moonwolf said to type something in Japanese. So I did. |
| 16:34.25 | Legorol^ | ah i see |
| 16:34.28 | Legorol^ | and i was trying to hand you some |
| 16:34.43 | MoonWolf | well, it shows at japanese now. |
| 16:34.59 | MoonWolf | as* |
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| 16:35.12 | Legorol^ | btw moonwolf, when you earlier copy/pasted and said "this is what i was showing", the thing you pasted did come back as japanese |
| 16:35.12 | Kremonte | こんばんわ～ |
| 16:35.14 | MoonWolf | not if only i could read and understand japanese that would make it a bit more usefulll |
| 16:35.15 | Kremonte | can you read that? |
| 16:35.21 | MoonWolf | oh yes |
| 16:35.23 | malreth | kremonte: i can |
| 16:35.26 | Kremonte | yay |
| 16:35.26 | MoonWolf | but i cant understand it. |
| 16:35.38 | Legorol^ | Kremonte: comes across fine |
| 16:35.42 | Legorol^ | although it's not evening yet |
| 16:35.46 | Legorol^ | not here, anyway |
| 16:36.02 | Legorol^ | moonwolf, he just said "good evening" |
| 16:36.03 | MoonWolf | Legorol^, yeah my char set did not have any jap chars in it so it was all #%? stuff for me. |
| 16:36.12 | Kremonte | well |
| 16:36.15 | Legorol^ | but when you pasted it back, it came back fine |
| 16:36.16 | Kremonte | こんにちはｗ |
| 16:36.24 | Legorol^ | that's better :-) |
| 16:36.31 | Legorol^ | konnichiwa to you too |
| 16:36.48 | Legorol^ | or if you are in the US, i suppose it's "ohayo gozaimasu" |
| 16:36.48 | Kremonte | ｍ（＝－＿－）ｍ |
| 16:36.50 | malreth | I wrote part of a chapter in the BeOS Bible on the japanese input method |
| 16:36.55 | Kremonte | 11:36 |
| 16:36.57 | Kremonte | pretty close to noon |
| 16:37.07 | Legorol^ | east coast? |
| 16:37.08 | MoonWolf | its 17:36 here |
| 16:37.10 | Kremonte | はい |
| 16:37.14 | MoonWolf | so evening it is. |
| 16:37.17 | Legorol^ | 16:36 here |
| 16:37.21 | Kremonte | дддддд |
| 16:37.21 | kergoth | bleh |
| 16:37.23 | kergoth | ~mornings |
| 16:37.24 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 16:37.37 | malreth | my example was ポテートが大好き！ |
| 16:37.40 | MoonWolf | brb changing char set again. |
| 16:37.53 | Kremonte | ポテート！ |
| 16:37.56 | Legorol^ | malreth: not quite correct, it should be a "wa" and not a "ga" :-p |
| 16:38.17 | malreth | I had Japanese people emailing me for the next year saying they loved poteitos too |
| 16:38.25 | Legorol^ | rofls |
| 16:38.38 | malreth | "ga" is the correct particle |
| 16:38.41 | Kremonte | jeez i forgot all the jp i did know |
| 16:38.46 | malreth | it sounds right when I say it to myself |
| 16:38.49 | Kremonte | been long since ive played ffxi, lol |
| 16:38.58 | malreth | hmm... |
| 16:39.07 | malreth | well, maybe |
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| 16:39.28 | malreth | oh who cares. it was funny. |
| 16:39.31 | Kremonte | i sitll dont get the difference between wa/ga |
| 16:39.33 | Legorol^ | both "wa" and "ga" is correct, depending on the context in which you are using the sentence |
| 16:39.38 | Legorol^ | and what you want to emphasise |
| 16:39.45 | MoonWolf | oh, that makes it easy. |
| 16:39.52 | Legorol^ | however, when it stands on its own with no context, i beleive that "wa" makes more sense |
| 16:40.00 | Legorol^ | :-) |
| 16:40.03 | Legorol^ | it *is* funny |
| 16:40.06 | Legorol^ | and sorry for nitpicking |
| 16:40.14 | malreth | yeah, saying it with "wa" also sounds right |
| 16:40.24 | Legorol^ | in all honesty it doesn't matter :D |
| 16:40.36 | Legorol^ | but since this channel is so quiet, i thought a bit of JP discussions is fun |
| 16:40.49 | Kremonte | レゴロル！ |
| 16:40.54 | Legorol^ | rofl |
| 16:40.58 | malreth | i used to be much better at JP. I was the only person in my class to score a 21/20 on my oral exams. |
| 16:41.07 | malreth | and our instructors were strict |
| 16:41.10 | Legorol^ | is that 21 out of 20? |
| 16:41.12 | malreth | yep |
| 16:41.18 | Kremonte | engrish! マルレス |
| 16:41.18 | Legorol^ | impressive.. how'd you manage that |
| 16:41.19 | MoonWolf | that sounds, weird. |
| 16:41.35 | malreth | i don't know how i did it. I just blacked out and started rambling in Japanese. |
| 16:41.47 | Legorol^ | what i mean is how did you get 21 points on something out of 20 |
| 16:41.49 | Fanook|Zzz | lmao |
| 16:41.53 | Legorol^ | congrats anyway |
| 16:41.57 | malreth | i have no recollection of the event but sensei said she was really impressed |
| 16:42.21 | Legorol^ | i had a fun incident involving my japanese oral exam |
| 16:42.22 | MoonWolf | please dont start with the replacing certain werds for japanese thing. |
| 16:42.28 | malreth | she asked me, "what are you doing this weekend" and I went on about how I was going to go to my ex-girlfriend's baby shower. |
| 16:42.40 | Legorol^ | i was taking a state exam in japanese, and was doing it at a very young age |
| 16:42.42 | malreth | ...and how I was taking my current girlfriend with me |
| 16:42.51 | Legorol^ | noone else was taking any japanese exam that day, so the examiner was idle |
| 16:42.53 | Tain | Is it your baby? |
| 16:42.54 | Legorol^ | and we arrived early |
| 16:43.03 | Legorol^ | so he came out to chat to us before the exam (my mum was with me) |
| 16:43.17 | Legorol^ | my mum told me later that he pulled her aside and told her that in all honesty, i shouldn't be here taking this exam |
| 16:43.18 | malreth | Tain: I think she asked me something to that effect. something like "that sounds interesting" |
| 16:43.28 | malreth | and I reassured her that it wasn't mine |
| 16:43.28 | Legorol^ | because there is no way that at my age i'd pass a state exam designed for adults |
| 16:43.41 | Tain | It would make for a possibly more tense shower. :) |
| 16:43.58 | Legorol^ | you can imagine what my mum thought of him, coming out before the exam and effectively telling us to bugger off |
| 16:44.07 | Legorol^ | anyway i went in and did a good exam |
| 16:44.19 | malreth | Tain: I showed up and the ex said "Wow! You really came! (pause) And you brought *her*." |
| 16:44.22 | Legorol^ | the guy, being japanese, came out afterwards, went up to my mum, bowed down and apologised for his earlier behavoiur |
| 16:44.25 | Tain | haha malreth |
| 16:44.43 | Legorol^ | it can only happen with a japanese person |
| 16:44.52 | Legorol^ | if it was a european guy, he'd have failed me just to prove his point |
| 16:44.56 | malreth | she's the one that dumped me for some other guy. serves her right. |
| 16:44.57 | Kremonte | lol |
| 16:45.13 | malreth | Legorol^: hahaha! |
| 16:45.15 | MoonWolf | Legorol^, I am most definitly european and i would not have done so. |
| 16:45.26 | Kremonte | are you a japanese instructor? ;p |
| 16:45.28 | Legorol^ | i am european too, and i often don't have faith in my fellow europeanese |
| 16:45.34 | Legorol^ | :-) |
| 16:45.42 | Legorol^ | MoonWolf: i'm sure you are one of the few exceptions |
| 16:45.44 | Tain | s/europeans/humanity |
| 16:45.44 | MoonWolf | is that even a word ? |
| 16:45.51 | Kremonte | lol Tain |
| 16:45.51 | Legorol^ | don't think so |
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| 17:16.00 | malreth_ | ah great... i cloned myself again. |
| 17:16.38 | Kremonte | ./ns ghost ? |
| 17:18.42 | Tain | Winter quests are in. |
| 17:18.51 | Tain | Stock up on your small eggs! |
| 17:19.00 | Kremonte | small eggs? k |
| 17:19.08 | Kremonte | ill farm them now along with swifftthisle ;3 |
| 17:19.18 | Tain | Need 5 to make gingerbreak cookies |
| 17:19.25 | Kremonte | omg what do those do =o |
| 17:19.40 | Kremonte | i remeber running around with 400 gingerbread cookies in FFXI while healing |
| 17:20.05 | Tain | Turn them in for quest. Get a gift package and at level 14 got 1650 exp |
| 17:20.07 | Kremonte | lol how do you get snowballs now besides engineering? |
| 17:20.17 | Kremonte | wow nice, IF/org onry? |
| 17:20.42 | Tain | I think so, yeah. Dont' see any in thunderbluff |
| 17:20.51 | Kremonte | didn't see anyone in SW either |
| 17:22.07 | Tain | Horde Christmas trees are funny, broken ornaments and skulls and big chains |
| 17:22.37 | Kremonte | youre all primitive beasts |
| 17:24.16 | Tain | And that's the way we like it. |
| 17:25.23 | Kremonte | mm light feathers too, nice |
| 17:25.33 | Kremonte | think im reaching 200 of them on my mage |
| 17:26.03 | Legorol^ | ok, i am confused |
| 17:26.08 | Legorol^ | what's all this tlak about Christams? |
| 17:26.11 | Legorol^ | i have no idea what that is... |
| 17:26.19 | Legorol^ | all i can see is Winter Veil festivities everywhere |
| 17:26.23 | Tain | Feast of the Winter Veil! |
| 17:26.30 | Legorol^ | where do I find this Christmas thing you guys refer to? :-p |
| 17:27.00 | Legorol^ | btw vendors in Org sell snowballs |
| 17:27.05 | Kremonte | :OO |
| 17:27.22 | Legorol^ | the goblin to the right of the Inn |
| 17:27.25 | Legorol^ | the female one |
| 17:27.35 | Kremonte | org sucks |
| 17:27.37 | Kremonte | ./spit |
| 17:27.40 | Kremonte | ;) |
| 17:28.11 | Kremonte | アイヤンフォルジュー ftw! |
| 17:29.49 | Legorol^ | lol |
| 17:30.18 | Legorol^ | i think it should be "a-i-ro-n" |
| 17:30.37 | Kremonte | hm |
| 17:30.47 | Kremonte | the R isnt really pronounced, at least in my 'accent' ._. |
| 17:30.52 | Legorol^ | in fact that's a word in japanese that does exist if i remember correctly |
| 17:30.52 | Kremonte | but eh |
| 17:31.04 | Legorol^ | they use it for, jee, "iron" |
| 17:31.13 | Kremonte | アイロンフォルジューやった！ |
| 17:31.25 | Legorol^ | hehe |
| 17:31.42 | Legorol^ | bah, i want a jp keyboard layout! |
| 17:31.43 | Legorol^ | Linux sucks |
| 17:31.50 | Legorol^ | i have no idea how to configure keyboard layouts :( |
| 17:31.56 | Kremonte | Jp support is easy |
| 17:31.59 | Kremonte | google! :D |
| 17:32.06 | Legorol^ | i don't have admin privileges |
| 17:32.09 | Kremonte | oh |
| 17:32.11 | Kremonte | :( |
| 17:32.20 | Kremonte | @work? |
| 17:32.25 | Legorol^ | yeah |
| 17:32.33 | Legorol^ | best solution i found to keyboard layouts is "setxkbmap" |
| 17:32.37 | Legorol^ | if you know better, please let me know |
| 17:32.42 | Legorol^ | i'm clueless about Linux |
| 17:32.53 | Kremonte | well i know there's a downloadable IME, but to install it you need admin |
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| 17:45.44 | Kremonte | wtf? |
| 17:45.49 | Kremonte | this guy is riding a reindeer |
| 17:46.06 | Tain | Nice! |
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| 17:46.14 | Kremonte | exalted with the smokywood guys? |
| 17:47.00 | Tain | Ahh it makes your mount look like a reindeer, 5 charges |
| 17:47.10 | Kremonte | waht does? =X |
| 17:47.15 | Tain | oh! |
| 17:47.28 | Tain | If you blow a /kiss to someone holding up mistletoe (buyable) you get a gift! |
| 17:47.34 | Kremonte | o_O |
| 17:47.35 | Kremonte | lol |
| 17:47.48 | Kremonte | i dun wanna log off my druid tho :/ oh well |
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| 17:47.56 | Tain | The reindeer thing is a quest, Searing Gorge or Tanaris |
| 17:57.27 | Kremonte | nice, 1650 XP, 25 rep and 10 mageroyal |
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| 18:24.26 | Esamynn | morning Tem |
| 18:24.45 | Tem | morning |
| 18:28.30 | ForgottenLords | how hard is the reindeer to get? |
| 18:28.58 | Tain | Supposedly guarded by level 45s |
| 18:29.33 | ForgottenLords | Hmm... Im wondering if I'll be fighting other players for him |
| 18:29.35 | ForgottenLords | it |
| 18:29.39 | ForgottenLords | her? |
| 18:30.08 | Esamynn | chuckle |
| 18:30.37 | Esamynn | ok, wtf, when I came back from afk mode and my nick changed back nickserv started yelling at me again :( |
| 18:31.31 | MoonWolf | that is normal, the moment you change your name nickserv wipes the indentification |
| 18:31.52 | Esamynn | ok, so what is the point of the access list then??? |
| 18:32.05 | MentalPower | unless you register both nicks and link them together |
| 18:33.05 | MoonWolf | the access is bound to your nick. |
| 18:33.30 | MoonWolf | no that is a lie |
| 18:33.41 | MoonWolf | the access is bound to your nick combined with a password. |
| 18:33.58 | Esamynn | but what does the access list do for me, it seemed to me like it was supposed to make it so you didn'y have to enter your password if logging on from a known host |
| 18:34.17 | Esamynn | access list seems rather pointless to me |
| 18:35.06 | MoonWolf | It gives persmission to USE it. |
| 18:35.59 | Esamynn | but if i'm on an unknown host and i use my password that host is added to my access list |
| 18:36.44 | Esamynn | mmmmmmmm, lunch, now I'm hungry |
| 18:36.53 | Tem | oh perfect |
| 18:36.56 | Tem | Cide, you here? |
| 18:37.00 | Cide | ya |
| 18:37.09 | Tem | What is "virtual" sorting? |
| 18:37.31 | Cide | shows all the group members even when you're not in a group, or when the raid isn't full |
| 18:37.34 | Cide | so you can move them around |
| 18:37.49 | MoonWolf | lovely |
| 18:37.54 | Cide | basically emulates 40 raid members with full hp and mana, called "Virtual #" |
| 18:38.02 | Tem | but when it was on virtual sorting, it wouldn't allow me to move people |
| 18:38.10 | Tem | so is that basically only for the raid leader? |
| 18:38.17 | Cide | not move like that |
| 18:38.24 | Cide | move the actual xml windows |
| 18:38.30 | Tem | oooh! |
| 18:38.35 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 18:38.36 | Cide | you can use custom sorting to move them around on the ctraid tab |
| 18:38.48 | Tem | I really like the new PT |
| 18:38.52 | Tem | good work |
| 18:38.52 | Esamynn | finally you add that in, although I don't think I like the name :P |
| 18:38.54 | Tain | You can, if you want to, /msg nickserv set unsecure on |
| 18:39.00 | Cide | thanks Tem |
| 18:39.05 | Tain | And it won't prompt you for your password, I believe. |
| 18:39.13 | Cide | hehe Esamynn, what would you suggest instead? |
| 18:39.22 | Tem | That is what I was using the custom sorting for before |
| 18:39.26 | Esamynn | not a clue |
| 18:39.38 | Tem | I was putting all my PTs in my custum group |
| 18:39.44 | Legorol^ | Cide, don't do /msg nickserv set unsecure on |
| 18:39.50 | Legorol^ | instead do /msg nickserv set secure off |
| 18:39.57 | Legorol^ | the two are not identical, so be careful |
| 18:40.01 | Cide | what? |
| 18:40.11 | Esamynn | he's confused he means me |
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| 18:40.16 | Tain | They're not the same thing. |
| 18:40.17 | Cide | hehe |
| 18:40.17 | Legorol^ | There are two separate flags that nickserv understands, "secure" and "unsecure" |
| 18:40.22 | Esamynn | ~lart Legorol |
| 18:40.23 | Legorol^ | both of which can be on and off independently |
| 18:40.30 | Legorol^ | and mean too different things entirely |
| 18:40.41 | Tem | I'm typically the mage who is in charge of keeping the curses off either the MT or the main healer so PT is perfect for that |
| 18:40.42 | Cide | tell that to Esamynn, not me! |
| 18:40.43 | Tain | If you don't want to send your password you can do unsecure on. It's not recommended, but you can. |
| 18:41.05 | Cide | err, it was Tain, not Esamynn... :P |
| 18:41.16 | Tain | Esamynn is the one who mentioned it. |
| 18:41.26 | Cide | ya, but he commented on your comment |
| 18:41.35 | Esamynn | Learn2Read :P |
| 18:41.36 | Kiliek | srs bsns |
| 18:41.57 | Tem | oh perfect |
| 18:41.58 | Esamynn | RUN FOR THE HILLS, TEM IS TESTING! |
| 18:42.07 | Tem | it wont bother me anymore when I change nicks |
| 18:42.09 | Esamynn | ~emulate tem |
| 18:42.11 | purl | Dammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]! |
| 18:42.18 | Tem | I crashed wow again last night |
| 18:42.27 | Esamynn | so, what else is new? |
| 18:42.30 | Tem | but I can't figure out exactly what I did |
| 18:42.39 | Esamynn | I hate it when I do that |
| 18:42.43 | Tem | so I posted a buttload of info for slouken |
| 18:42.52 | Esamynn | poor poor slouken |
| 18:43.01 | Tem | hehe |
| 18:43.24 | Tem | I have to wonder what he has to do when they keep pushing 1.9 back |
| 18:43.56 | Kiliek | 1.10? |
| 18:43.56 | Kiliek | :D |
| 18:43.57 | Legorol^ | yah i was confused, i was replying Esamynn, wasn't i :D |
| 18:44.15 | Esamynn | ~lart Legorol |
| 18:44.17 | Esamynn | :P |
| 18:44.19 | Kiliek | i'm sure he has a lot of things in development for upcoming pathes |
| 18:44.23 | Kiliek | purl, botsnack |
| 18:44.23 | purl | Kiliek: thanks |
| 18:44.27 | Kiliek | np |
| 18:44.39 | Legorol^ | the recommended settings that i'd use on here are "secure off" and "unsecure on" |
| 18:44.53 | Legorol^ | this way you don't have to identify just to use your nickname, as long as you match a host in the access list |
| 18:45.02 | Legorol^ | but you do have to identify if you want to execute nickserv commands |
| 18:45.05 | Esamynn | Cide: btw, I have a "fixed" Ragnaros timer i've been meaning to send to your guys, is there still time for it to be included in 1.5? |
| 18:45.11 | Cide | sure |
| 18:45.15 | Cide | I'm not working on ctra anyway |
| 18:45.22 | Cide | other stuff to do, and only one coder :P |
| 18:45.32 | Kiliek | yeah right learn2multitask |
| 18:45.34 | Esamynn | k, i'll just send it through Andre as he's the one I talked to a few months ago |
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| 18:45.39 | Cide | <- Andr |
| 18:45.44 | Esamynn | oh ;) |
| 18:45.47 | Esamynn | :P |
| 18:45.50 | Cide | Kiliek: I am |
| 18:45.56 | Cide | I'm listening to music, playing wow and coding! |
| 18:46.03 | Kiliek | binys ass it hot you need to think about that more |
| 18:46.03 | Cide | and chatting with hot chix too of course |
| 18:46.10 | Cide | is not hot |
| 18:46.17 | Kiliek | srs bsns it is too |
| 18:46.36 | Esamynn | fine, i'll send it too you then, i appologize for it taking so long, but I've been having a hard time getting to test it, guild doesn't like wiping to Rag, they would rather beat him on first try :P |
| 18:46.55 | Kiliek | tell them to learn2play |
| 18:47.12 | Cide | well |
| 18:47.16 | Esamynn | lol, thats the problem, they play too well :P |
| 18:47.24 | Cide | I didn't even know you worked on one, so no need to apologize :P |
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| 18:47.49 | Esamynn | hehe, I'm not surprised you don't remember the email it was back in October :P |
| 18:47.52 | Tem | is it GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE or UPDATE_GUILD_ROSTER? |
| 18:48.01 | Esamynn | first I think |
| 18:48.42 | Esamynn | the first makes more sense because the event fires when the roster has already updated |
| 18:48.56 | Cide | yep, the first |
| 18:49.22 | Tem | k |
| 18:49.24 | Tem | thanks |
| 18:50.59 | Beladona | that MyWarcraftStudio is pretty darn useful |
| 18:51.56 | Tain | Yes it is, Beladona |
| 18:52.25 | Beladona | it still doesn't export alpha channels correctly on non square blps, but neither does anything else I have tried |
| 18:52.32 | Beladona | =\ |
| 18:54.30 | Cide | ya, most programs can only handle square blps |
| 18:54.43 | Beladona | damn RLE compression |
| 18:54.51 | Esamynn | I haven't tried it yet, I want it to be able to handle the files i've already written |
| 18:55.30 | Esamynn | oh wait, wrong program |
| 18:55.31 | Beladona | I think you are thinking of something else Esamyn |
| 18:55.35 | Beladona | hehe |
| 18:55.36 | Esamynn | i need to Learn2read |
| 18:55.42 | Esamynn | ~lart me |
| 18:55.45 | Tem | oh Cide, I forgot to mention this earlier. In case you forgot, the [?] tooltip for the sorting section doesn't tell you what the virtual sorting does. |
| 18:55.47 | Beladona | I know what you mean though |
| 18:56.27 | Cide | Tem: yup, I did... so much stuff to update! |
| 18:58.46 | Tem | indeed |
| 18:58.55 | Tem | I also didn't notice it in the "new" page |
| 18:59.00 | Tem | but I didn't look very hard |
| 18:59.25 | Tem | is there a function I can call to pull that back up? |
| 18:59.36 | Cide | /ralog |
| 18:59.49 | Tem | hmm.. |
| 18:59.57 | Tem | I wonder.. |
| 19:00.21 | Cide | and it's in there |
| 19:00.44 | Cide | "Added the ability to prearrange groups without being in raid. To load the virtual groups, select 'Virtual' from the group sort dropdown on the General Options page of the control panel." |
| 19:01.23 | Cide | under major additions |
| 19:01.32 | Cide | god too much stuff is being updated |
| 19:01.40 | Tem | I did load it in the middle of MC |
| 19:01.41 | Cide | I don't remember what I've coded myself |
| 19:02.03 | Tem | so it wasn't exactly my #1 priority to read the whole thing |
| 19:03.04 | Tem | Oh I'm glad you fixed whatever was causing the MT windows to resize themselves |
| 19:03.07 | Tem | that was annoying as hell |
| 19:03.40 | Cide | ya, it was |
| 19:05.00 | Tem | Clicking PlayerName in /raver looks like it should sort by name but it sorts by class |
| 19:05.04 | Tem | is that intended? |
| 19:05.14 | Cide | ya, sorts by name and then class |
| 19:05.17 | Cide | err, class and then name |
| 19:05.26 | Tem | cool |
| 19:06.55 | Tem | I was going to suggest something for the target managment, but allowing you to hide MTs has solved that |
| 19:08.24 | futrtrubl | is there a resource for Titan module authoring? |
| 19:09.09 | Cide | Tem: ya, we've had several requests to have TM work without assigning main tanks |
| 19:10.30 | Kiliek | i like player targets |
| 19:10.37 | Kiliek | especially in BGs |
| 19:10.51 | Esamynn | ok Cide, I emailed you that timer, just pass it on to whoever will want to see it, and thanks :) |
| 19:11.02 | Tem | Espcially for stuff like Garr it seems silly to assign warlock to a main tank slot just to give them a target |
| 19:11.09 | Tem | but now I just hide them |
| 19:11.14 | Cide | thanks Esamynn |
| 19:11.19 | Tem | Oh and I'm a MT for Domo |
| 19:11.22 | Tem | go figure |
| 19:11.25 | Cide | hehe |
| 19:11.26 | Esamynn | haha |
| 19:11.52 | Esamynn | my guild still does it the old fashioned way, but I hacked CTRA so that I could use the TM to double check the targets ;) |
| 19:11.58 | Esamynn | avoided a few problems because of it |
| 19:11.58 | Tem | That was totally my goal when I rolled a mage: to be a tank wearing cloth in the end game |
| 19:12.14 | Esamynn | SQUISHEY! :) |
| 19:12.43 | Tem | My guild stopped doing it the old fashioned way when I took over target assignment to show them how much faster I could assign targets than them |
| 19:12.53 | Esamynn | I must say that the TM was a great idea |
| 19:12.57 | Tem | very |
| 19:13.29 | Esamynn | i'm not an officer, so they won't let me assign targets, go figure, ahh well |
| 19:14.40 | Esamynn | great group, but stubborn about some things |
| 19:15.23 | Cide | hehe |
| 19:15.30 | Cide | we have the luxury to not be as old fashioned |
| 19:15.40 | Tem | I'm one of the founders of my guild so I have pull |
| 19:15.41 | Cide | we tend to use our own features (Ts is our GL) |
| 19:15.51 | Cide | and our puller (hunter) |
| 19:15.52 | Tem | oh speaking of TS |
| 19:15.54 | Tem | and you |
| 19:16.09 | Tem | You guys need to change the Frame Strata on your minimap buttons |
| 19:16.23 | Tem | I'm tired of hacking your files everytime I download a new one |
| 19:16.29 | Esamynn | hehehe |
| 19:16.37 | Cide | wtf, you have windows up there? |
| 19:16.43 | Tem | Bags |
| 19:16.57 | Tain | "Up" where? My minimap is bottom center. |
| 19:16.58 | Cide | I thought bags didn't show up above them |
| 19:17.02 | Cide | haha, same here |
| 19:17.08 | Cide | I totally hacked that |
| 19:17.14 | Kiliek | haxhax |
| 19:17.16 | Esamynn | oh oh, while we are at it, can I complain about the HORRIBLE use of savedvariables in CTRA? ;) |
| 19:17.18 | Cide | shut up lamer |
| 19:17.23 | Cide | yes you may |
| 19:17.26 | Kiliek | get fucked cide ! |
| 19:17.29 | Cide | but I probably won't fix it, because I'm lazy |
| 19:17.34 | Tem | lol |
| 19:17.35 | Cide | by whom? |
| 19:17.36 | Tain | http://www.crushingdreams.com/images/CustomMinimap.png |
| 19:17.36 | Esamynn | LAZY! |
| 19:17.48 | Beladona | hackers! - YOU HAVE BEEN REPORTED! haxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 19:17.51 | Esamynn | maybe i'll fix it for you and send you the code! :P |
| 19:18.01 | Cide | I could live with that |
| 19:18.18 | Tain | Send code? It should be all of two words changed! |
| 19:18.26 | Esamynn | nono, not for that |
| 19:18.32 | Cide | I know we fail at some savedvariables usage, I for example hate the way the mana conservation data is saved |
| 19:18.38 | Tain | Oh. SVs. Nevermind. :) |
| 19:18.57 | Esamynn | HELL YES, ITS STUPID, the savedvariables include a copy of all the translations :( |
| 19:19.04 | Cide | yup! |
| 19:19.08 | Beladona | uhh |
| 19:19.09 | Cide | told you it sucks |
| 19:19.16 | Cide | it wasn't meant to be saved at first |
| 19:19.26 | Cide | and then I got lazy and just added it to savedvariables and forgot to redo the table |
| 19:19.34 | Esamynn | and each saved Set, includes another copy of jsut about every translation :P |
| 19:19.36 | Cide | (I'm lazy) |
| 19:19.47 | Cide | that's just a side effect though |
| 19:20.03 | Tem | oh dear |
| 19:20.06 | Esamynn | btw, have you considered changing the savedvariables around so that some settings are per character |
| 19:20.06 | Tem | that's very messy |
| 19:20.18 | Esamynn | its down right UGLY |
| 19:20.21 | Cide | the idea of option sets is kind of the same |
| 19:20.22 | Tem | doesn't seem worth it imo |
| 19:20.42 | Esamynn | how about the channel though, the sets don't change the current channel |
| 19:20.53 | Cide | possibly |
| 19:21.00 | Beladona | this is offtopic from what you guys are talking about but... |
| 19:21.03 | Tem | I haven't yet found a use for option sets yet, but I know I will |
| 19:21.18 | Beladona | anyone ever wondered why blizz puts patched files in a seaprate MPQ instead of just updating the base ones? |
| 19:21.19 | Tem | but that's probably because I'm just a silly mage |
| 19:21.24 | Esamynn | the option sets are awesome, as I healer I use about 5 different ones |
| 19:21.35 | Esamynn | yes, I have beal |
| 19:21.38 | Esamynn | bela* |
| 19:21.46 | Beladona | just seems wasteful in my mind |
| 19:21.51 | Esamynn | quite |
| 19:21.58 | Beladona | not everyone has 256gb drives |
| 19:22.24 | Esamynn | ~lart Blizzard |
| 19:22.32 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 19:22.39 | Beladona | ooh nice one |
| 19:22.49 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 19:22.49 | purl | Esamynn: thanks |
| 19:23.07 | Cide | Esamynn: only the mana conservation table saves for all translations |
| 19:23.09 | digix | not to mention the fact that with every patch, the game gets more resource intensive having to load the extra patch .mpq dta |
| 19:23.15 | Cide | some saved variables are translated, but only for your own localization |
| 19:23.32 | Esamynn | imo, the saved variables should NEVER save translations |
| 19:23.46 | Cide | true |
| 19:24.18 | Esamynn | nah digix the files in patch.mpq just overwrite stuff |
| 19:24.39 | Esamynn | and add new stuff |
| 19:24.55 | digix | so theyre just changing symlinks to the files in the program itself to point to the new ones? |
| 19:25.21 | Esamynn | the symlinks already pointed to mpq files |
| 19:25.37 | Esamynn | so they just change them to point to a differnent place |
| 19:26.14 | SP|Sorren | tain, how do you change the minimap like that? |
| 19:26.39 | Tain | Edited the graphic files for the minimap. |
| 19:26.44 | Esamynn | well, i'm going to go pretend to do something useful |
| 19:26.56 | Tain | There's others out there too, a full square Minimap, and a partly rounded corner map |
| 19:27.31 | futrtrubl | I like the square one, but it has problems with mods that have minimap buttons |
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| 19:30.27 | Tain | You mean the placement of the buttons around the Minimap? |
| 19:32.16 | futrtrubl | yup |
| 19:32.37 | Tain | I move the buttons myself. |
| 19:32.59 | futrtrubl | with DFM or moveanything? |
| 19:33.13 | Beladona | with a keyboard |
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| 19:33.17 | Tain | I use Visor, but those probably work as well. |
| 19:33.18 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 19:33.20 | Beladona | or that |
| 19:33.21 | Tain | I've never used them. |
| 19:33.37 | futrtrubl | ahh |
| 19:34.30 | Tem | I prefer to just turn them off |
| 19:35.07 | Cide | Tem: what framestrata do you suggest? |
| 19:35.35 | Tain | Yeah, I don't use Minimap buttons at all, really. |
| 19:35.47 | Tain | Some don't let you turn them off from config though, which is really annoying. |
| 19:35.52 | Tain | So I have to do it myself. |
| 19:36.25 | Tem | Cide: I'm not sure, check out the default minimap buttons |
| 19:36.48 | Cide | slacker |
| 19:36.51 | Tem | Cide: If I had to guess, I'd say BACKGROUND |
| 19:37.15 | Tem | well if you put out updates more often I would remember what I had changed the strata to |
| 19:37.52 | Tain | Couldn't you just not set a strata yourself and let it inherit from it's parent (Minimap)? |
| 19:37.59 | Beladona | the default buttons reside in the ARTWORK layer of the minimap |
| 19:38.40 | futrtrubl | a button is in a layer?! |
| 19:38.50 | Beladona | they are |
| 19:38.57 | Beladona | well |
| 19:39.07 | futrtrubl | I thought layers were only for textures and fontstrings |
| 19:39.09 | Beladona | its hard to explain |
| 19:39.34 | Beladona | the actual button frames do not have a strata defined |
| 19:39.53 | Tem | The MinimapCluster has framestrata of Background |
| 19:40.00 | Beladona | aye |
| 19:40.02 | futrtrubl | but they will have a framelevel |
| 19:40.05 | Tem | so I think background is a good choice |
| 19:40.31 | Beladona | futr |
| 19:40.33 | Beladona | <Button name="MiniMapMeetingStoneFrame" enableMouse="true" hidden="true"> |
| 19:40.58 | futrtrubl | framestrata is secondary to framelevel correct? ie framestrata only affects layering within a level |
| 19:41.20 | futrtrubl | Beladona it's framelevel will be it's parents framelevel + 1 |
| 19:41.38 | Beladona | go open the file and tell us what is is then |
| 19:41.45 | Beladona | its a big mess |
| 19:41.50 | futrtrubl | k |
| 19:41.57 | Tem | I was under the impression that it was the other way around |
| 19:42.00 | Beladona | I didn't want to sit here and calculate it |
| 19:42.10 | Tem | strata was the important one |
| 19:42.18 | Tem | and level is used within the strata |
| 19:42.49 | Tem | so something in the background strata regardless of it's level would never overlap something in the dialog strata |
| 19:42.50 | Beladona | that sounds right |
| 19:44.06 | Tain | Yes. |
| 19:44.23 | Tain | So for example WorldMap is FULLSCREEN strata and on top of everything |
| 19:44.46 | futrtrubl | minimap buttons in that xml seem to have a framelevel of 4, if UIParent is 1 |
| 19:45.42 | futrtrubl | damn, that means I'm going to have to add strata options to BEB |
| 19:45.45 | Beladona | is the ct button a child of the minimap cluster? |
| 19:47.37 | Cide | too lazy to check, but most likely |
| 19:47.40 | Cide | might not be |
| 19:47.50 | Cide | anyone here good at html? |
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| 19:48.08 | Beladona | html, php, why whats up? |
| 19:48.35 | Cide | I have like 10 divs |
| 19:48.48 | Cide | some are hidden sometimes |
| 19:48.56 | Cide | so I end up with newlines even when they are hidden (div is not inline) |
| 19:49.15 | Cide | so I figured I could just change them to span (which is inline) and add a line break in the end if it's shown |
| 19:49.33 | Cide | but then you can't set a height on span as far as I know, so the layout is fucked up instead |
| 19:49.42 | Beladona | aye |
| 19:49.42 | Cide | any ideas of an element I could use instead, or how to fix it? |
| 19:49.56 | Beladona | are you setting the position atribute of the div in css? |
| 19:50.35 | Cide | no |
| 19:50.55 | Cide | they are of variable length, so I'd rather not (setting the innerHTML with javascript) |
| 19:51.13 | Beladona | these divs? when they show you don't want them overlapping anything - they are inline (or should be) in the document and the rest of teh document should drop to accomodate? |
| 19:52.33 | Cide | let me send you the URL |
| 19:52.46 | Beladona | example: |
| 19:52.47 | Beladona | http://sinister-alliance.com/forums/roster.php |
| 19:52.53 | Beladona | click a plus sign next to a name |
| 19:53.23 | Cide | hm, maybe |
| 19:53.56 | Beladona | basically no change in the layout when they are hidden, but as soon as they are shown, the rest of the content drops |
| 19:54.13 | Cide | hm, you use display: none instead of visibility: hidden |
| 19:54.31 | Beladona | aye |
| 19:54.35 | Cide | let me try that |
| 19:56.46 | Beladona | another thing to ask |
| 19:57.37 | Beladona | if you are setting up something similar to what I have, where you have a row that expands, you need to put the hidden div inside the row div |
| 19:58.38 | Cide | not using a table |
| 19:58.46 | Beladona | I know |
| 20:02.07 | Beladona | this seemed to work for me |
| 20:02.10 | Beladona | <div id="row1">row1</div><div id="subrow1" style="display: none;">subrow1</div> |
| 20:02.17 | Cide | Error: Error in parsing value for property 'display'. Declaration dropped. |
| 20:02.17 | Cide | Source File: http://www.ctmod.net/ctprofiles/reputation.ct?cid=29 |
| 20:02.17 | Cide | Line: 0 |
| 20:02.22 | Cide | damnit |
| 20:02.25 | Cide | I so pasted the url too |
| 20:02.33 | Cide | anyway, that's the error... I'm stupid |
| 20:03.02 | Beladona | hmm |
| 20:03.54 | Cide | don't let it spread please :) |
| 20:04.42 | Cide | using: fac.style.display = "none"; |
| 20:06.00 | Beladona | I cant get that pge |
| 20:06.09 | Cide | get what? |
| 20:06.11 | Beladona | it just shoots me to a default page |
| 20:06.15 | Cide | ya, it requires login |
| 20:06.20 | Beladona | so can't see what you are trying to do |
| 20:12.05 | Cide | any ideas? |
| 20:13.09 | Beladona | see private message Cide |
| 20:13.51 | Cide | you need to log in to send |
| 20:14.02 | Beladona | wtf |
| 20:14.17 | Cide | try /notice |
| 20:14.40 | Beladona | stil not getting it? |
| 20:15.17 | Cide | am now |
| 20:20.27 | Tain | Woah. There's a Bacon of the Month club |
| 20:31.38 | Tem | Cide: I might be behind on this but I don't have time to read up |
| 20:31.48 | Tem | Cide: set your divs to be inline when hidden |
| 20:32.19 | Cide | didn't seem to work |
| 20:32.24 | Cide | but I got it working I believe |
| 20:32.28 | Kremonte | gl tem |
| 20:34.11 | Tem|TakingFinal | thanks Kremonte |
| 20:34.21 | Tem|TakingFinal | Ok, glad to know you got it Cide |
| 20:34.34 | Cide | :) good luck |
| 20:34.45 | Esamynn | luck Tem |
| 20:35.00 | Esamynn | ~give tem a pie |
| 20:35.02 | purl | ACTION gives tem a home-baked cherry pie |
| 20:35.25 | Tem|TakingFinal | mmm pie |
| 20:35.33 | Tem|TakingFinal | stop! distractions! |
| 20:35.35 | Tem|TakingFinal | >< |
| 20:35.38 | Tain | ~give tem cheat sheets |
| 20:35.40 | Esamynn | sorry |
| 20:35.42 | Tem|TakingFinal | Ok, I'm really gone now |
| 20:35.51 | Esamynn | are you still there? :) |
| 20:36.14 | Esamynn | hmm, maybe he really left |
| 20:36.52 | Kremonte | 40 man raid in IF having a snowball fight..lol |
| 20:37.08 | Esamynn | hahaha |
| 20:37.52 | Osagasu | Tel, why are you on IRC while taking your final? :P |
| 20:38.17 | Osagasu | *Tem |
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| 20:40.28 | Repent | anyone around for a simple button question :) |
| 20:40.32 | futrtrubl | hey repent, these guys can help you most likely |
| 20:40.40 | Repent | coo |
| 20:40.56 | Repent | if anyone is around :P |
| 20:41.05 | Kremonte | sure, what do ya need |
| 20:41.54 | Repent | when I am hoving over my button the text disappears |
| 20:42.28 | Kremonte | do you have any mouseover effects going? |
| 20:42.28 | Esamynn | ??? I'm not following you |
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| 20:42.58 | Repent | I have a button on an options frame I made. When I hover over a button on that frame the text for that button goes away |
| 20:43.25 | Esamynn | you mean the label for the button? |
| 20:43.38 | Beladona | anyone have experience with animation effects in lua? |
| 20:43.53 | Repent | ya the label |
| 20:43.54 | Beladona | like the flashing glow on the player frame when you are attacking something |
| 20:43.59 | Beladona | things like that |
| 20:44.08 | Tain | What do you have the button doing? What scripts are associated with it? OnClick, OnEnter, etc? |
| 20:44.22 | Repent | there is an onclick atm |
| 20:44.29 | Repent | does nothing |
| 20:45.01 | Beladona | there are no other script events on the button? |
| 20:45.06 | Beladona | except onclick? |
| 20:45.07 | Kremonte | what about the frame? you said the frame hides |
| 20:45.31 | Tain | Beladona, I did see that in Blizz's files, but I don't remember exactly what they did. I think just switching the button overlay every x OnEvents. |
| 20:45.35 | Tain | But I could be remembering it wrong. |
| 20:45.36 | Repent | <Button name="eCastingBarButtonTemplate" virtual="true" inherits="OptionsButtonTemplate"> |
| 20:45.36 | Repent | <Size> |
| 20:45.36 | Repent | <AbsDimension x="100" y="25"/> |
| 20:45.36 | Repent | </Size> |
| 20:45.36 | Repent | <Scripts> |
| 20:45.36 | Repent | <OnClick> |
| 20:45.38 | Repent | ECB_Button_OnClick() |
| 20:45.40 | Repent | </OnClick> |
| 20:45.42 | Repent | </Scripts> |
| 20:45.44 | Repent | </Button> |
| 20:45.46 | Repent | thats my template |
| 20:45.54 | Esamynn | Beladona: the flashing animation efffect is done by continuously showing/hideing an overlay |
| 20:46.01 | Beladona | yeah I know |
| 20:46.05 | Beladona | that part is easy |
| 20:46.11 | Beladona | the part I need to get is the timing |
| 20:46.14 | Repent | <CheckButton name="eCastingBarMainBarButton" inherits="eCastingBarButtonTemplate"> |
| 20:46.14 | Repent | <Anchors> |
| 20:46.14 | Repent | <Anchor point="TOPLEFT" relativeTo="eCastingBarButtonNavigationFrame" relativePoint="TOPLEFT"> |
| 20:46.14 | Repent | <Offset> |
| 20:46.14 | Repent | <AbsDimension x="10" y="-20"/> |
| 20:46.14 | Repent | </Offset> |
| 20:46.16 | Repent | </Anchor> |
| 20:46.18 | Repent | </Anchors> |
| 20:46.20 | Repent | <Scripts> |
| 20:46.22 | Repent | <OnLoad> |
| 20:46.22 | Esamynn | Repent, use pastebox plz |
| 20:46.24 | Repent | this.index = "MainBar" |
| 20:46.26 | Repent | </OnLoad> |
| 20:46.28 | Repent | </Scripts> |
| 20:46.28 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:46.30 | Repent | </CheckButton> |
| 20:46.31 | kergoth | whats with the spam? |
| 20:46.32 | Repent | thats my button :) |
| 20:46.34 | Repent | sorry for pasting :P |
| 20:46.36 | Repent | whats that |
| 20:46.42 | Kremonte | Repent: wow.pastebin.com |
| 20:46.48 | Esamynn | pastbin, my bad |
| 20:46.50 | Beladona | your button is virtual |
| 20:47.00 | Beladona | is it a button or a template? |
| 20:47.18 | Repent | the first script is my template and it is virtual |
| 20:47.22 | Repent | the second is my actual button. |
| 20:47.26 | Kremonte | does ECB_Button_Onclick() exist? |
| 20:47.29 | Beladona | ahh ok missed that |
| 20:47.31 | Repent | i then set the text in code |
| 20:47.43 | Beladona | go to pastebin.com and post this |
| 20:47.52 | Beladona | REALLY hard to read in irc |
| 20:47.53 | Esamynn | Beladone, as I recall the timing is done in the same way an onupdate function is set to run only every so often |
| 20:48.00 | Esamynn | Beladona* |
| 20:48.08 | Repent | what highlighting |
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| 20:48.15 | Esamynn | and is simply run in the on_update script |
| 20:48.49 | Esamynn | Lua |
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| 20:50.51 | Repent | ok posted both |
| 20:51.42 | Beladona | ok |
| 20:51.47 | Beladona | link the page |
| 20:51.49 | Beladona | lol |
| 20:51.57 | Repent | http://wow.pastebin.com/465743 |
| 20:52.31 | Beladona | can we see the lua too? |
| 20:53.22 | Tain | Beladona, the timing that Bliz uses is in ActionButton.lua. |
| 20:53.31 | Beladona | thanks Tain |
| 20:53.57 | Repent | eCastingBarMainBarButtonText:SetText(CASTING_BAR_MAIN_BAR_TEXT) |
| 20:54.02 | Repent | thats all I have setting that text |
| 20:55.35 | Beladona | I have never inherited a button in a checkbutton, is that even valid? |
| 20:56.08 | Repent | maybe thats the issue, sec |
| 20:56.43 | Repent | nope, still doesnt work :) |
| 20:57.14 | Beladona | eCastingBarMainBarButtonText? |
| 20:57.26 | Repent | ya |
| 20:57.37 | Repent | that working fine |
| 20:58.04 | Beladona | so when you hover over the button the text just dissapears |
| 20:58.11 | Repent | yup |
| 20:58.48 | Kremonte | how do you make an optional parameter in a function? |
| 20:59.56 | kergoth | Kremonte: in lua, you can call any function without parameters. they just end up as nil in the function |
| 21:00.01 | futrtrubl | list it in the func bracket area like normal then have if (optionalparam) then |
| 21:00.03 | Kremonte | ah, great. thanks |
| 21:00.56 | Esamynn | thats the great thing about lua, you try to refer to anything that doesn't exsist and it comes back nil ;) |
| 21:01.10 | Kolth | LUA is super nice sometimes :) |
| 21:01.11 | Kremonte | hehe. also, what's the function to print in the middle-top of the screen? |
| 21:01.17 | Kremonte | lua is super evil sometimes! |
| 21:01.44 | Beladona | looks like you may have found a weird and very rare default ui bug Repent |
| 21:02.03 | Repent | whats wierd is it works in the same mod. I am rewriting it from scracth |
| 21:02.06 | Repent | scratch |
| 21:02.14 | Beladona | you are inheriting eCastingBarButtonTemplate |
| 21:02.26 | Beladona | which inherits OptionsButtonTemplate |
| 21:02.30 | Repent | ya |
| 21:02.38 | Beladona | which inherits UIPanelButtonTemplate |
| 21:02.46 | Kremonte | o.io |
| 21:03.05 | Beladona | which has NormalText, DisabledText, and HighlightText |
| 21:03.23 | Beladona | which may be why when you hover over it, it is somehow doing something with the text |
| 21:03.43 | Beladona | does the text change? |
| 21:04.41 | Repent | there is no text |
| 21:04.42 | Beladona | I mean do you plan to change the text via script |
| 21:04.43 | futrtrubl | yeah, I would suggest not inheriting a button template for a checkbutton |
| 21:04.47 | Repent | no |
| 21:04.52 | sarf|stuff | j/nick sarf|sleep |
| 21:04.53 | Beladona | what futr said |
| 21:04.54 | sarf|stuff | Err |
| 21:04.57 | Repent | it only gets set on load |
| 21:05.09 | Repent | its not a checkbutton anymore :) |
| 21:05.52 | Beladona | so both are buttons? |
| 21:05.59 | Repent | is it supposed to be a checkbutton instead? |
| 21:06.06 | Beladona | I dont know |
| 21:06.16 | Beladona | do you want it to be a regular button or a checkbutton? |
| 21:06.16 | Kremonte | CheckButton:GetText() ! |
| 21:06.23 | Repent | regular |
| 21:06.31 | futrtrubl | ahhhhh |
| 21:06.43 | Beladona | I wouldn't even bother using the template |
| 21:06.48 | Beladona | you have so little in it there is no need |
| 21:06.50 | futrtrubl | do, SetText() to the button not to buttonText |
| 21:06.55 | Beladona | aye |
| 21:07.33 | Repent | woot, taht worked |
| 21:07.53 | Repent | kind of weird they let you do both |
| 21:08.56 | Repent | thanks for the help |
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| 21:12.24 | Kremonte | how come text in UIErrorsFrame isn't fading :( |
| 21:13.08 | Kolth | How are you throwing text to it? |
| 21:13.17 | Beladona | onupdate! |
| 21:13.22 | Beladona | jk |
| 21:13.22 | Kremonte | UIErrorsFrame:AddMessage |
| 21:13.30 | Kolth | Is that how the game does it? |
| 21:13.35 | Kremonte | hell if i know |
| 21:13.38 | Kolth | :) |
| 21:13.41 | Beladona | yes it is |
| 21:13.44 | Kremonte | its a scrollingmessageframe just like DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME is |
| 21:13.49 | Beladona | but there should be a fade time setting |
| 21:14.00 | Kremonte | the text has been on my screen for 10 mins lol |
| 21:14.01 | Beladona | uhh |
| 21:14.16 | Kolth | Yeah, same here, Kremonte. |
| 21:14.36 | Beladona | what are the args you are passing |
| 21:14.50 | Kolth | I tried String, int |
| 21:14.51 | Kremonte | http://wow.pastebin.com/465776 |
| 21:14.52 | Kolth | nothing |
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| 21:15.22 | Beladona | I coulda swore there was a lasat argument that told it how long to keep it there |
| 21:15.27 | Beladona | hang on |
| 21:15.34 | Beladona | like 0.5 or something was pretty default |
| 21:15.43 | Kremonte | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ScrollingMessageFrame_AddMessage |
| 21:15.44 | Kremonte | =/ |
| 21:15.48 | Kremonte | text r g b id |
| 21:16.11 | Beladona | I converted sct to use a scrolling message frame once |
| 21:16.20 | Beladona | hence how I found out about it |
| 21:17.20 | Beladona | this:AddMessage(message, arg2, arg3, arg4, 1.0, UIERRORS_HOLD_TIME); |
| 21:17.30 | Beladona | the last arg is what you need |
| 21:17.36 | Kremonte | wierd |
| 21:17.37 | Beladona | in that example, the last arg is 5 |
| 21:17.40 | Kremonte | not on WoWWiki at all |
| 21:17.44 | Kremonte | what about ID" |
| 21:17.47 | Kremonte | can i just make it nil? |
| 21:17.57 | Beladona | id must be what they meant |
| 21:17.57 | Kolth | yes |
| 21:18.01 | Kremonte | k |
| 21:18.02 | Beladona | it should be hold time, not id |
| 21:18.12 | Beladona | dont make it nil |
| 21:18.21 | Kremonte | k |
| 21:18.23 | Beladona | that is what it is now when it doens't go away |
| 21:19.09 | Kolth | Bela, it needs id and fade time |
| 21:20.02 | Beladona | how is id sed |
| 21:20.03 | Beladona | used* |
| 21:20.03 | Kolth | I used nil |
| 21:20.03 | Kolth | But |
| 21:20.03 | Kremonte | k, thanks Kolth (& Beladona too!) |
| 21:20.03 | Kolth | the WoWWiki said you can reference it later to change it? |
| 21:20.04 | Kolth | Kremonte: /script UIErrorsFrame:AddMessage("text", 1, 0, 0, nil, 5) works fine |
| 21:20.04 | Beladona | I don't believe id is actually valid, id should be hold time |
| 21:20.04 | Kolth | (5 secondss) |
| 21:21.09 | Beladona | ahh ok id is an arg, but are you sure it is an id? |
| 21:21.15 | Beladona | and not alpha |
| 21:21.22 | Kremonte | nil would make it invisible |
| 21:21.24 | Kremonte | o_o |
| 21:21.28 | Beladona | hmm |
| 21:21.35 | Kolth | It's alpha |
| 21:21.41 | Beladona | would be interested to find out why you would use id? |
| 21:21.50 | Kremonte | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.04 | Kremonte | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.05 | Kolth | arg5 is definitely alpha |
| 21:22.10 | Beladona | and someone has tested that feature? |
| 21:22.11 | Kolth | 6 is definitely fade time |
| 21:22.15 | Kremonte | its alpha, Kolth? |
| 21:22.19 | Kolth | Yep! |
| 21:22.23 | Kolth | 0.1 is near-invisible |
| 21:22.36 | Kolth | 0 is invisible |
| 21:22.45 | Kremonte | oh wow |
| 21:22.46 | Beladona | told ya |
| 21:22.47 | Kolth | nil is default, 1.0 |
| 21:22.50 | Kremonte | ill edit the wiki |
| 21:22.59 | Beladona | add the hold time thing there too |
| 21:23.03 | Kremonte | ya |
| 21:23.05 | Beladona | surprised that wasn't there in the first place |
| 21:23.13 | Kremonte | can someone tell me what the UIErrors default is? |
| 21:23.27 | Beladona | its default what? |
| 21:23.31 | Kremonte | fade time |
| 21:23.34 | Beladona | 5 |
| 21:23.40 | Beladona | oh |
| 21:23.43 | Beladona | if not set? |
| 21:23.49 | Kolth | If not set, it's infinite. |
| 21:23.49 | Kremonte | if not set its forever |
| 21:23.51 | MoonWolf | SNOWBALLS ROCK |
| 21:23.53 | Kremonte | its 5? |
| 21:23.53 | Beladona | aye |
| 21:23.56 | Beladona | no fade |
| 21:24.00 | Kolth | nil -> no fade |
| 21:24.02 | Kolth | ^^ |
| 21:24.13 | Beladona | no 5 is what is default set in the UIErrorsFrame lua |
| 21:24.21 | Beladona | but it doens't do error checking |
| 21:24.29 | Beladona | so if that arg isn't defined, it uses inifnite |
| 21:25.16 | Beladona | sct uses a scripted animation squence |
| 21:25.22 | Beladona | I hacked it to use a scroll frame |
| 21:25.26 | Beladona | much cleaner |
| 21:25.48 | MoonWolf | beladona, i was playing with an sct like thingy. could i look at how you did it ? |
| 21:26.05 | Beladona | I would have to give it to you when I get home |
| 21:26.08 | Beladona | =P |
| 21:26.14 | Depherios | You still have that Bela? |
| 21:26.19 | Depherios | lol |
| 21:26.19 | Beladona | somewhere |
| 21:26.38 | Gryphen | AnduinLothars chatbar has animation |
| 21:27.03 | MoonWolf | Depherios, how is it broken ? |
| 21:27.08 | Beladona | back when I made it, I quit playing wow for like 3 months |
| 21:27.17 | Beladona | so I need to update it to the latest sct version |
| 21:27.29 | Beladona | but I can still give you the outdated one |
| 21:28.17 | MoonWolf | i am more interested in the method then updated code |
| 21:28.38 | Beladona | its pretty simple |
| 21:28.38 | Beladona | its the same thing Kremonte was just doing |
| 21:28.39 | Beladona | except I made a custom scroll frame |
| 21:28.44 | Beladona | instead of using the UIErrors one |
| 21:30.13 | MoonWolf | okay |
| 21:30.14 | MoonWolf | ill look into that then |
| 21:30.14 | Beladona | you can set a different hold time for crits and such |
| 21:30.14 | Beladona | if you like sticky crits that is |
| 21:30.15 | MoonWolf | its nice but not the ultimate best feature ever. |
| 21:30.43 | Beladona | right now I am using the default sct, because I didn't feel like updating mine at the time |
| 21:30.49 | Beladona | its works ok |
| 21:31.31 | MoonWolf | any significant memory or speed gains ? that you remember anyway |
| 21:31.44 | Beladona | well his system isn't slow really |
| 21:32.08 | Beladona | I mainly did it because when looking at his code I wanted to throw myself off a cliff |
| 21:32.32 | Beladona | so I looked into ways to make it cleaner |
| 21:32.47 | Beladona | and realized that the scrolling frames have a sliding text feature anyway |
| 21:32.54 | Beladona | so why not use those right? |
| 21:33.41 | MoonWolf | yaeh |
| 21:35.03 | Beladona | I am a big fan of reusing code if it works by default |
| 21:35.20 | Beladona | I don't like addons that create their own functions that do stuff the default UI already provides |
| 21:36.11 | Beladona | I once created a bar addon taht simply makes the default multibars draggable |
| 21:36.26 | Beladona | no extra bars or anything, just the default, but draggable |
| 21:36.29 | Beladona | and rotateable |
| 21:37.06 | MoonWolf | snowball fight. |
| 21:37.10 | Beladona | balthough CTmod does a pretty good job of that now |
| 21:40.05 | Depherios | lol |
| 21:40.05 | MoonWolf | you can still use item in you inventory without hardware events ? |
| 21:40.12 | Depherios | no |
| 21:40.20 | Depherios | 1.7 did away with that I think |
| 21:40.48 | MoonWolf | damn, well i'll adopt the use of keyminder for this then. its to good to pass up on |
| 21:43.17 | TemDoneWithClass | wow it feels good to be done |
| 21:44.03 | Kolth | ha |
| 21:44.05 | Kolth | Sweet. |
| 21:45.25 | TemDoneWithClass | Btw |
| 21:45.27 | TemDoneWithClass | Easiest |
| 21:45.28 | TemDoneWithClass | Final |
| 21:45.30 | TemDoneWithClass | Ever |
| 21:45.33 | Kolth | hah |
| 21:46.56 | MoonWolf | soon to come, Avalanche, targets and fires snowballs at random people or one specific person. will potentially sinc with other so create huge chaos. |
| 21:47.15 | MoonWolf | of course ill need to test it extensivly in IF |
| 21:48.19 | Tem | haha |
| 21:48.20 | Tem | awesome |
| 21:49.48 | Beladona | this snowball thing is almost as bad at that virus. It is contagious, no one can resist getting it, and it is affecting the cities |
| 21:49.57 | Beladona | hehe |
| 21:51.23 | MoonWolf | but its fun! |
| 21:51.33 | Kremonte | its hilarious =D |
| 21:51.38 | Kremonte | my friend is in zg now |
| 21:51.41 | Kremonte | everyone is pegging the healers |
| 21:52.17 | MoonWolf | haha |
| 21:52.32 | MoonWolf | we need epic reindeers |
| 21:52.51 | MoonWolf | with spikes and pieces of metal |
| 21:54.30 | MoonWolf | irony, we are all shooting at a char named snowblind. lvl 54 warrior |
| 21:55.01 | Kremonte | lol |
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| 21:59.12 | Tain | I got my Scrooge badge in City of Villains |
| 22:03.41 | Depherios | everybody see the difference between the levels for instances on the EU and US webpages? |
| 22:06.09 | Depherios | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/worlddungeons.html#The%20Scarlet%20Monastery |
| 22:06.09 | Osagasu | no |
| 22:06.14 | Depherios | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/worlddungeons.html |
| 22:06.57 | Tain | Someone posted it in here the other day. I guess it just shows that US and EU players are different! |
| 22:07.53 | Osagasu | no, that US players are smarter. or that the EU instances are easier. :P |
| 22:09.06 | Tain | Yeah, you'll have a hard time convincing me that US players are smarter. |
| 22:09.34 | Osagasu | I know. :P |
| 22:14.45 | Kremonte | how would i grab out 2 pieces of text in a string, separated by a " is " |
| 22:14.55 | Kremonte | i know its string.find, but i'm not sure what pattern to use |
| 22:15.25 | Depherios | lol |
| 22:15.31 | Depherios | everybody on the zep was in gnome costume |
| 22:15.44 | Depherios | so we had a RED VS GREEN slowball fight |
| 22:15.52 | Kremonte | local _, _, partone, parttwo = string.find(string, "(.+*) is (.+*)"); or something? |
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| 22:16.16 | Depherios | lol, I was wondering if maybe the EU people tended to actually form larger than 5 man groups (but mostly I just figured it was because too many US players have no idea what "strategy" is |
| 22:18.34 | baka-kun | what's the url for the eu page? |
| 22:18.45 | Depherios | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/worlddungeons.html |
| 22:18.54 | baka-kun | thx |
| 22:20.18 | futrtrubl | baka-kun ;'] nice name |
| 22:21.51 | Fanook | hehe |
| 22:22.15 | Tem | is that like calling yourself an idiot? |
| 22:22.19 | Fanook | bah, i REALLY dont want to add zone levels to the zonelevel localization files... |
| 22:22.21 | Fanook | yeah |
| 22:22.52 | Tem | that's like the /one/ japanese word I know |
| 22:23.04 | Fanook | hehe, that's the one japanese word everyone knows :) |
| 22:33.00 | Tain | Domo arrigoto mister Roboto. |
| 22:34.34 | Kremonte | ども！ |
| 22:34.42 | Kremonte | grr, anyone know anything about patterns? |
| 22:35.36 | Tain | Like crochet? |
| 22:35.48 | Kremonte | =( |
| 22:36.17 | Depherios | repeating textures? |
| 22:36.31 | Tain | Oh like plaid |
| 22:36.36 | Kremonte | i have a string that's x is y |
| 22:36.40 | Kremonte | and i want to capture x and y |
| 22:37.52 | Kolth | I can't make sense out of your description of your string. |
| 22:37.59 | Tain | I think (.-)is(.-) |
| 22:38.21 | Tain | Unless x contains the letters 'is' next to each other |
| 22:38.25 | Kremonte | it's |
| 22:38.27 | Kremonte | "x is y" |
| 22:38.31 | Kremonte | like what you would say to purl |
| 22:39.43 | Tain | It's hard if x or y ever contain 'is' anywhere in them. Like "this is list" |
| 22:39.56 | Kremonte | i don't want to capture the space though |
| 22:40.13 | Kremonte | explicitly x" is "y |
| 22:40.13 | Tain | Are x and y always going to be single words? |
| 22:40.20 | Kremonte | nope |
| 22:40.32 | Kremonte | can't i just do like (.+*) is (.+*) ? :X |
| 22:41.08 | Tain | No. .+ would be all characters, .+* doesn't mean anything. |
| 22:41.19 | Kremonte | meh |
| 22:41.32 | Kremonte | but wouldnt it stop at " is "? |
| 22:43.09 | Cide | ([^%s]+) is ([^%s]+) |
| 22:43.11 | Cide | ? |
| 22:43.22 | Cide | though I guess that wouldn't work either if they aren't single words |
| 22:43.23 | Tain | Well, first you can't use a space itself, so the part that says " is " in the pattern match would be %s |
| 22:43.53 | Tain | Now I have to think about it. |
| 22:43.53 | Cide | what are you trying to do Kremonte? |
| 22:44.09 | Kremonte | ok, sorta worst case string |
| 22:44.09 | Cide | too lazy to read |
| 22:44.09 | Kremonte | say i have the string: "Alis's dog is nice" |
| 22:44.16 | Kremonte | i want to match Alis's dog in one string, and nice in the other |
| 22:44.32 | Cide | is it always the format "... is ..."? |
| 22:44.37 | Cide | with only one occurence of " is "? |
| 22:44.45 | Kremonte | yes |
| 22:45.07 | Kremonte | i'm copying guillotine and making my own purl in WoW :D |
| 22:45.14 | Cide | I don't see why "(.+) is (.+)" shouldn't work |
| 22:45.14 | Tain | (.-)%sis%s(.-) might do it. |
| 22:45.24 | Kolth | I agree with Cide. |
| 22:45.26 | Kremonte | what is (.-)? |
| 22:45.39 | Kremonte | and what is (.+) D: |
| 22:45.44 | Kolth | . is any |
| 22:45.46 | Kolth | + is 1 or more |
| 22:45.47 | Cide | + tries to go as far as you can |
| 22:45.49 | Kolth | * is 0 or more |
| 22:45.56 | Cide | while - tries to end as fast as possible |
| 22:46.01 | Tain | Well let me fire up lua and see. |
| 22:46.40 | Cide | I really don't see why (.+) is (.+) doesn't work |
| 22:46.58 | Tain | You can't use space. |
| 22:47.02 | Tain | Space is %s |
| 22:47.28 | Cide | you can use space |
| 22:47.29 | Kremonte | woot, my neighbour gave me an xmas present, 300 hershey kisses |
| 22:47.38 | Cide | %s is any whitespace character |
| 22:47.54 | Kremonte | like \n and \t too? |
| 22:48.02 | Cide | not sure |
| 22:48.04 | Kremonte | tho, i dont see how you could use those in WoW |
| 22:48.06 | Cide | but \t for sure |
| 22:48.11 | Tain | Ok |
| 22:48.26 | Cide | (.+) is (.+) should match just fine |
| 22:48.57 | Kremonte | Tain: what does lua say? >< |
| 22:49.04 | Kremonte | patterns suck |
| 22:49.13 | Cide | try the one I said |
| 22:49.17 | Kremonte | it's like trigonometry. it sucks, like trig sucks |
| 22:49.26 | Cide | trigonometry is awesome |
| 22:49.36 | Kremonte | see! thats why you know patterns |
| 22:49.45 | Kolth | Patterns are awesome. |
| 22:49.47 | Kremonte | friggin sin csc cot cos bullcrap |
| 22:50.00 | Kremonte | friggin (.\[s%d]\///v$d) crap! |
| 22:50.35 | Kremonte | (.+) is (.+) worked :D |
| 22:51.10 | Kremonte | (.-)%sis%s(.-) didnt |
| 22:51.17 | Tain | Works for me. :P |
| 22:51.43 | Kremonte | *shrug* |
| 22:51.44 | Tain | Both work for me. The only difference should be if you ever had two instances of " is " in the string. |
| 22:51.46 | Kremonte | didn't in WoW |
| 22:52.09 | Tain | And since you don't the .- doesn't help you, I was thinkign of it the wrong way. |
| 22:55.09 | Tain | Oops actually none of those work for me in lua.exe |
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| 22:55.22 | Kremonte | o_O |
| 23:05.07 | Tain | oops heh heh.. I wasn't printing the values of the right variables. |
| 23:06.34 | Tain | Oh and this is what I was remembering about space, I was definitely off. |
| 23:06.43 | Tain | "The definitions of letter, space, and other character groups depend on the current locale. The second form should be preferred for portability." |
| 23:06.56 | Tain | Which in the case of WoW doesn't matter one bit. |
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| 23:17.32 | Kremonte | ok, irt the pattern i just got helped with |
| 23:17.36 | Kremonte | how do i make it match is or are |
| 23:17.41 | Kremonte | (is|are)? |
| 23:18.53 | Kolth | I think so. |
| 23:19.27 | Tain | I don't think you can use | like that in pattern matching. |
| 23:19.35 | Tain | Of course try it, I could be wrong. :) |
| 23:20.00 | Kolth | | is "or" in patterns |
| 23:20.26 | Tain | Ok |
| 23:23.37 | pagefault | haha |
| 23:23.42 | pagefault | I can use my snowman trinket again |
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| 23:38.25 | cladhaire | Evening |
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| 23:39.14 | MentalPower | . |
| 23:41.00 | Cairenn | hi all |
| 23:41.23 | futrtrubl | does the ui.xsd schema change much between patches? and is it changed for 0.9? |
| 23:41.30 | MentalPower|PC | hey Cairenn |
| 23:41.35 | futrtrubl | hey Cairenn |
| 23:42.54 | Cairenn | so are we all having fun? |
| 23:43.02 | pagefault | haha |
| 23:43.07 | pagefault | everyone is asking me how to be a snowman |
| 23:43.11 | pagefault | I guess you can't get the trinket this year |
| 23:43.23 | Cairenn | lol, I still have my trinket from last year |
| 23:43.29 | futrtrubl | now that you are here we are Cairenn. ;'] |
| 23:43.46 | Cairenn | along with a ton of snowballs, candy canes, wrapping paper, etc :) |
| 23:43.58 | pagefault | hehe |
| 23:44.00 | RasmusKL | what trinket Cairenn? |
| 23:44.08 | Cairenn | to become a snowman |
| 23:44.12 | RasmusKL | Oh. |
| 23:44.15 | RasmusKL | Can you still get it? |
| 23:44.23 | Cairenn | dunno, haven't looked |
| 23:44.58 | pagefault | I can go nuts with it now |
| 23:45.01 | pagefault | since I have snowballs again |
| 23:45.28 | futrtrubl | btw, Cair, did the level options in BEB do what you wanted to do? I found I might have to add strata options too to make it work in all ocations |
| 23:46.00 | Cairenn | well, I'm not sure |
| 23:46.17 | Cairenn | which is the "lowest" level? 1 or 25? |
| 23:46.23 | futrtrubl | 1 |
| 23:46.31 | Cairenn | then no, it didn't work |
| 23:46.39 | Cairenn | the bar covered up the name as it filled |
| 23:46.45 | futrtrubl | k, framestrata options here we come |
| 23:47.00 | Depherios | ... you including negatives? |
| 23:47.01 | futrtrubl | did you change the levels of all the elements? |
| 23:47.16 | futrtrubl | negative framelevels exist? |
| 23:47.43 | Depherios | yeah |
| 23:47.53 | Cairenn | yup, everything went to 1, hid a bunch of them (but still had them at 1), put it overtop the player name portion of the player window, and as the bar filled, it began to cover the name |
| 23:47.55 | futrtrubl | not that it matters, negative framelevels would put the frame behind worldframe and UIParent |
| 23:48.10 | futrtrubl | k, I'll fix that Cair |
| 23:48.18 | Cairenn | sorry to be such a pain |
| 23:48.22 | Depherios | assuming that the worldframe and UIParent are on 0 and not -20 |
| 23:48.23 | Depherios | XD |
| 23:48.37 | futrtrubl | ;'] no problem Cair, it's something I wanted to add\ |
| 23:48.48 | Cairenn | probably a fairly safe assumption Depherios, as assumptions go, that is |
| 23:49.04 | Depherios | lol, I have a few things set to background on negatives |
| 23:49.12 | futrtrubl | well, any frame without an explicit frmaelevel is parents framelevel+1 |
| 23:49.34 | Depherios | is why I'm pretty sure it doesn't go behind... but I don't have mouse events hitting them, so... |
| 23:49.53 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: it just seems to me a perfect place to put the exp bar (as others have done, but yours is cleaner), since that is a nice "empty" space other than the name |
| 23:50.10 | futrtrubl | agreed Cair |
| 23:50.34 | futrtrubl | plus I need to add this so that it can go nicely behind Titan |
| 23:50.43 | Cairenn | *nod* that too |
| 23:50.49 | Cairenn | I didn't try putting it up behind Titan |
| 23:51.08 | Depherios | that's where my XP bar is now.... |
| 23:51.12 | Cairenn | I can go check, if you want, but I've a feeling it'll be the same problem |
| 23:51.20 | futrtrubl | someone asked me to add Titan functionality, but ugh, it looks a mess |
| 23:51.25 | Depherios | but I don't use beb :P |
| 23:51.53 | Cairenn | frankly, I am *really* looking forward to someone cleaning up Titan, I love the idea behind it, but god it's demanding |
| 23:51.59 | futrtrubl | yeah, dont bother Cair, let me get strata options in first |
| 23:52.17 | Depherios | titan is pretty easy really, just download the devkit and modify away, that's the way I do it... -- I had to modify most of my titan plugins because I don't like them to have icons, or use red or green |
| 23:53.19 | Kremonte | grr savedvariables suck |
| 23:53.31 | futrtrubl | really? I love 'em |
| 23:53.33 | Kremonte | i have TurtleData (a table) in my saved variables, and in my variables loaded event |
| 23:53.38 | Cairenn | Depherios: see back to opt-repeated statement about my stupidity |
| 23:53.42 | Kremonte | i have if not TurtleData then TurtleData = {} end |
| 23:53.55 | Kremonte | now when i load it turtledata is always {}, with no data |
| 23:54.47 | futrtrubl | do turtledata = {} before that and let any savedvars overwrite it |
| 23:55.15 | Kremonte | i tried that, when i initially declare the variables |
| 23:55.19 | Kremonte | i had turtledata = {} |
| 23:55.22 | Kremonte | stioll went blank |
| 23:57.03 | futrtrubl | remove any code that modifies turtledata, do /script turtledata = {1="Im still here"}, reload the ui and print out tutrledata.1 to see if it is being saved |
| 23:58.17 | Kremonte | hm wierd |
| 23:58.29 | Kremonte | i didnt know you had to restart the game for savedvariables to work |
| 23:58.48 | futrtrubl | did you modify the toc while the game was running? |
| 23:58.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 23:58.59 | Kremonte | yea, and reloaded |
| 23:59.01 | Kremonte | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.02 | Kremonte | hey Guillotine |
| 23:59.12 | Kremonte | happy birthday =D |
| 23:59.15 | futrtrubl | nope, tocs are only loaded on startup |
| 23:59.29 | Guillotine | hey guys :D I just got the most awesome birthday present. These awesome earphones/microphone headset. now we need a UI Vent server :D |
| 23:59.41 | Kremonte | nice |
| 23:59.42 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 23:59.48 | Kremonte | i'm making a rival chatbot :o |
| 23:59.49 | Guillotine | time to finish up guilbot |
| 23:59.52 | Guillotine | what :0 |
| 23:59.53 | Guillotine | no fair |
| 23:59.55 | Kremonte | turtle ^^ |
| 23:59.56 | Guillotine | you've seen my source |
