| 00:00.06 | SP|Sorren | | doesnt do anything in lua i think |
| 00:00.12 | SP|Sorren | theres no or for regex |
| 00:00.19 | SP|Sorren | | is a | |
| 00:00.28 | SP|Sorren | much to my dismay |
| 00:00.58 | Fanook | as far as i can tell, and the manual doesn't explicitly say it counts as an or, | is just | |
| 00:01.07 | Beladona | aye |
| 00:01.19 | Beladona | it isn't listed as a special character anywhere |
| 00:01.27 | SP|Sorren | much hate for lua regex ;P |
| 00:01.40 | Beladona | it is so different from what I usually use |
| 00:01.54 | SP|Sorren | i tend to use perl regex |
| 00:01.58 | norganna__ | me too :) |
| 00:02.00 | SP|Sorren | so i screw up a lot :/ |
| 00:02.02 | Beladona | yup |
| 00:02.18 | Beladona | I keep wanting to use ? |
| 00:02.29 | Beladona | when you aren't supposed to |
| 00:04.29 | Fanook | Guillotine: i think "[%(|]|*%s*[^|]%s*|*[%)|]" is what you want...it's not any prettier, and there's a good chance i screwed somthing up |
| 00:04.48 | SP|Sorren | trying to do item links? |
| 00:05.10 | SP|Sorren | i dont think ( is a special character w/in brackets o.O |
| 00:05.10 | Beladona | they are trying to parse out the same commands you send purl |
| 00:05.17 | SP|Sorren | ah |
| 00:05.22 | Beladona | like command||command||command |
| 00:05.23 | Tain | Are you trying to capture the ( and ) ? |
| 00:05.51 | Fanook | sorren: i'm not entirely sure, so better safe than sorry |
| 00:05.52 | Beladona | basically || is acting as a separator |
| 00:06.12 | SP|Sorren | whats purl written in? 8) |
| 00:07.38 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Matt@adsl-1-74-197.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:07.59 | Tem | well it was most annoying to log in today |
| 00:08.18 | Tem | had to use chat.freenode.net instead of the usual |
| 00:08.39 | kremonte | ~purl |
| 00:08.40 | purl | [purl] not a bot |
| 00:08.49 | kremonte | ..wah? |
| 00:08.57 | kremonte | ~factinfo purl |
| 00:08.57 | purl | purl -- created by JJ382 <n=aa@dial-1320.bielsko.dialog.net.pl> 2d 22h 26m 58s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by kremonte, 17s ago. |
| 00:09.06 | kremonte | gdi |
| 00:09.08 | kremonte | someone broke it -.- |
| 00:09.33 | Beladona | ~literal purl |
| 00:09.34 | purl | "purl" is "not a bot" |
| 00:09.40 | kremonte | =/ |
| 00:10.22 | SP|Sorren | :( |
| 00:10.34 | SP|Sorren | aye tem |
| 00:10.35 | kremonte | SP|Sorren - purl is writen in perl, iirc. |
| 00:10.40 | SP|Sorren | figures 8) |
| 00:11.46 | norganna__ | well, matching the ('s and )'s is messy if they are only supposed to be at the beginning and end |
| 00:12.04 | SP|Sorren | hm? |
| 00:12.10 | kremonte | hmmm |
| 00:12.17 | kremonte | would it be easier if it was |
| 00:12.24 | kremonte | ((string1||string2||string3)) ? |
| 00:12.26 | norganna__ | because technically someone could write "a ( b ( c )" and that would be valid |
| 00:12.28 | Fanook | bracket the pattern with $ |
| 00:12.42 | kremonte | Fanook - it won't always be at the end of the entire string |
| 00:13.13 | norganna__ | nup - do 2 regexps |
| 00:13.33 | Fanook | oh, beginning and end of pattern, not of string |
| 00:14.13 | norganna__ | one outside the loop, and then one that does ||? |
| 00:14.20 | kremonte | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/20051215.html.gz <- lol |
| 00:14.56 | norganna__ | so [^|]+%s*(||)? |
| 00:15.03 | kremonte | norganna__ - wtf is that |
| 00:15.06 | kremonte | that looks scary |
| 00:15.15 | norganna__ | one sec |
| 00:15.25 | SP|Sorren | is the command (string||string||string)? |
| 00:15.43 | kremonte | it can be ((string||string||string)) too if its easier |
| 00:15.59 | SP|Sorren | well i really dont know what im talking about, so ignore me :) |
| 00:16.38 | SP|Sorren | but if its the former then couldnt you do |
| 00:16.38 | SP|Sorren | er |
| 00:16.38 | SP|Sorren | what regex are you using? |
| 00:16.38 | SP|Sorren | lua? perl? |
| 00:16.43 | kremonte | ~convert 60 miles/hour to barleycorns/second |
| 00:17.36 | kremonte | ~convert 1 seam to puncheons |
| 00:17.36 | SP|Sorren | wth is a barleycorn o_o |
| 00:18.14 | kremonte | ~literal kremonte |
| 00:18.16 | purl | "kremonte" is "lazy" |
| 00:18.19 | kremonte | :( |
| 00:18.27 | Fanook | i think a barleycorn is a length equal to the size of a "standard" barley grain, course i could just be making that up |
| 00:18.48 | kremonte | purl, 1+1? |
| 00:18.50 | purl | 1+1 is, like, 3 for large values of 1 |
| 00:19.40 | Fanook | ooo new math |
| 00:21.03 | kremonte | purl, sex? |
| 00:21.05 | purl | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 00:25.47 | SP|Sorren | super extractor? |
| 00:28.01 | norganna__ | this works for me: |
| 00:28.21 | Legorol | norganna__, i think they need you in #norganna |
| 00:28.28 | norganna__ | http://norganna.org/test.lua |
| 00:29.21 | kremonte | <3 norganna__ |
| 00:29.59 | Legorol | btw, what's the discussion about |
| 00:30.02 | Legorol | i love regexs |
| 00:31.10 | Fanook | any particular reason to have the multiple |'s? |
| 00:31.31 | kremonte | :( |
| 00:31.33 | futrtrubl | why is my computer doinking me? I have nothing that should doink |
| 00:31.41 | kremonte | lol |
| 00:32.00 | Legorol | Bela, would you like some company? |
| 00:32.12 | Bela|WOW | hehe |
| 00:32.18 | Legorol | i can log in for a little while |
| 00:32.25 | Legorol | 'course i'm no substitue for Cair.. |
| 00:32.26 | Bela|WOW | you dont have to |
| 00:32.37 | Legorol | i know i don't, but was contemplating anyway |
| 00:32.51 | Bela|WOW | I am just doing my boring ass Call of Water quest anyway |
| 00:32.54 | Tain | Oi that works but 3 runs through? |
| 00:32.58 | Legorol | oh that one |
| 00:33.10 | futrtrubl | my computer is making a noise like mIRC makes when I have scrolled up and somebody says something. But nobody is!! Driving me crazy |
| 00:33.29 | Fanook | something in another chan? |
| 00:33.45 | futrtrubl | no other chans |
| 00:34.12 | Natasem | hey Guilotine |
| 00:34.30 | Fanook | then it's just yer computer trying to make you paranoid |
| 00:34.41 | futrtrubl | I feel stupid, it was the "Ping? Pong!"s in the server window :( |
| 00:34.57 | Natasem | ^^ noob |
| 00:35.03 | Legorol | what are good tunes to listen to when playing WoW? |
| 00:35.06 | Legorol | need some inspiration |
| 00:35.14 | futrtrubl | yes, yes I am, I realise that and will acept my punishment |
| 00:35.25 | futrtrubl | accept |
| 00:37.16 | Fanook | O_o |
| 00:37.19 | Bela|WOW | isn't "Wrathtail Razortail" kinda redundant for a mob name? |
| 00:37.43 | Kolth | Razorwrathtail! |
| 00:38.15 | Fanook | at least the naga dont gurgle |
| 00:38.32 | Bela|WOW | like the dev said "This mob sucks, but his tail looks cool. Yeah lets focus on that" |
| 00:39.12 | Kiliek | haha |
| 00:46.30 | Legorol | i'd like to test mIRC's highlighting |
| 00:46.34 | Legorol | can someone say my name? |
| 00:46.42 | Guillotine | why would I do that Legorol? |
| 00:47.10 | Legorol | could you please try again? |
| 00:47.23 | Guillotine | no way Legorol |
| 00:47.30 | Legorol | thanks Guillotine, it works fine now |
| 00:47.55 | Guillotine | Fanook{#wowi-lounge} Guillotine: i think "[%(|]|*%s*[^|]%s*|*[%)|]" is what you want...it's not any prettier, and there's a good chance i screwed somthing up <-- It doesn't work. It has the same problem. It catches nothing |
| 00:48.00 | Guillotine | I need iriel :( |
| 00:48.07 | Natasem | ok ya'l have a good weekend |
| 00:48.09 | kremonte | Guillotine |
| 00:48.13 | kremonte | http://norganna.org/test.lua |
| 00:48.16 | Legorol | Guillotine, i am good with regexs, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:48.24 | Legorol | you too, Natasem |
| 00:48.27 | kremonte | i am sort of preoccupied right now |
| 00:48.56 | Guillotine | nm Legorol. looks like Norganna figured it out |
| 00:49.03 | Legorol | ok |
| 00:49.17 | Legorol | i think i'll scroll back |
| 00:49.23 | kremonte | Legorol- ( sdfsdf || sdfsdfsdfgsdfg || sdfsfddsfasd ) |
| 00:49.28 | kremonte | into string1 = sdfsdf |
| 00:49.31 | Guillotine | but if you feel like a challenge: we are trying to parse words out of a phrase like this: (random1 | random2 | random3) |
| 00:49.33 | kremonte | string 2 = sadsdfdfsdgfdg etc |
| 00:49.34 | Guillotine | with varying numbers of randoms |
| 00:50.03 | Legorol | right |
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| 00:52.43 | Tain | You know it would be a lot easier if you got rid of the parenthesis. |
| 00:52.57 | Legorol | Guillotine, do you want the separator to be || or just simply | |
| 00:53.05 | Legorol | i can do it if it's just | |
| 00:53.08 | futrtrubl | any code I should look at to see how mousewheeling works? |
| 00:53.09 | Fanook | Guillotine: the pattern i gave you doesn't actually catch anything |
| 00:53.25 | Guillotine | Legorol: either way |
| 00:53.28 | Legorol | ok then i've done it |
| 00:53.28 | Guillotine | Fanook: I know |
| 00:53.34 | Legorol | http://wow.pastebin.com/467321 |
| 00:53.44 | Legorol | this will iterate the entries, and will not include spaces |
| 00:54.24 | Legorol | also, it will have a zero-length string if you have something like: ( | random2 | random3) |
| 00:54.33 | Fanook | that is much simpler, leg |
| 00:54.35 | Legorol | this will result in: "", "random2", "random3" |
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| 00:54.42 | Guillotine | nice |
| 00:54.43 | Guillotine | ty |
| 00:54.46 | Legorol | np |
| 00:55.02 | Guillotine | will it deal with (random1 | random2 | random3|random4) though? |
| 00:55.16 | Legorol | yes it should |
| 00:55.16 | Tain | If you get rid of the parentheses around the outsides all you need is "(.-)|" to match on. |
| 00:55.22 | Legorol | spaces don't matter |
| 00:55.44 | Legorol | it will gobble up leading spaces after a ( or a | as well |
| 00:55.54 | Legorol | but will include any other spaces |
| 00:55.58 | Legorol | hm actually hold on |
| 00:56.03 | Legorol | i think my regex might be a bit wrong |
| 00:56.24 | Legorol | i think it's including the final space, let me check |
| 00:56.36 | Legorol | yah it is |
| 00:57.13 | Legorol | ok you need to change the regex slightly so that it doesn't include the space |
| 00:57.39 | Legorol | corrected version at http://wow.pastebin.com/467325 |
| 00:58.07 | Legorol | are random1, random2 etc. allowed to include spaces? |
| 00:58.16 | Guillotine | yup |
| 00:58.19 | Legorol | eek |
| 00:58.22 | Legorol | then i need to thinka bit more |
| 00:58.25 | Guillotine | ya. thats what makes it hard |
| 00:58.28 | Legorol | in that case, the problem is ill-defined |
| 00:58.32 | Guillotine | or one of the things that does |
| 00:58.35 | Legorol | should the final space before a | be included in the word? |
| 00:58.42 | Guillotine | no |
| 00:58.49 | Legorol | so what should be included? |
| 00:59.02 | Legorol | i take it that spaces after a ( or a | and before a | or a ) shouldn't be included, |
| 00:59.07 | Legorol | but any spaces within should be? |
| 00:59.34 | Legorol | so e.g. ( word1 word2 | word3 ) should result in "word1 word2", "word3" ? |
| 00:59.39 | kremonte | what about norganna__'s code? |
| 00:59.54 | Legorol | Guillotine, can you confirm that that is what you want precisely? |
| 01:00.09 | Guillotine | legorol: correct |
| 01:00.16 | Legorol | ok, then i need to think some more |
| 01:00.27 | kremonte | || is nicer imo, so you can have |'s in the text |
| 01:00.34 | Fanook | regex = "%s*[(|]+%s*([^)|]*)" |
| 01:00.39 | Guillotine | oh. I know the problem!!!! |
| 01:00.41 | Fanook | er, ignore that |
| 01:00.46 | kremonte | hm guil> |
| 01:00.56 | Guillotine | We all forgot that when you input a |, WoW converts it to || |
| 01:01.07 | Guillotine | thats why Norganna's code wasn't working |
| 01:01.11 | Guillotine | it needs to be searching for || |
| 01:01.54 | Tain | That isn't it, really. |
| 01:02.24 | Tain | I have code that works, but breaks if you have "(text one||text (and) two||text three)" |
| 01:02.34 | Tain | If you want the strings to ever have parantheses in them. |
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| 01:02.48 | Tain | Which is likely to happen eventually. |
| 01:02.52 | Legorol | ok, how about this: http://wow.pastebin.com/467330 |
| 01:03.13 | Guillotine | tain: another problem that makes this a real challenge |
| 01:03.14 | kremonte | Tain - ((text one||text (and) two||text three)) is fine |
| 01:03.30 | Legorol | i think my regex will break on Tain's example |
| 01:03.37 | Tain | Are the outside parentheses absolutely necesary? |
| 01:03.39 | Fanook | would "%s*[(|]+%s*([^)|]*%s*[|)])" do it? |
| 01:04.22 | Legorol | you have the final closing paren in the wrong place, |
| 01:04.29 | Legorol | and it also gobbles up the separator |
| 01:04.30 | Legorol | so that wouldn't work |
| 01:04.44 | Guillotine | also, remember that ( is a special character |
| 01:05.02 | Legorol | that's fine |
| 01:05.07 | Legorol | you do't need to escape it within [] |
| 01:05.29 | Legorol | so do you want |, or || as separator? |
| 01:05.41 | Legorol | ok, will the text always have a leading and trailing ( )? |
| 01:05.47 | Legorol | how about just stripping those off first? |
| 01:05.51 | kremonte | Tain - the parenthesis are necessary |
| 01:06.40 | SP|Sorren | if you're trying to get the 3 words why not just do http://wow.pastebin.com/467341 |
| 01:06.54 | SP|Sorren | it'll ignore the parenthesis |
| 01:06.57 | SP|Sorren | o.O |
| 01:07.18 | SP|Sorren | oh you can have parenthesis in the middle |
| 01:07.20 | SP|Sorren | nevermind then |
| 01:07.28 | SP|Sorren | do they have to be balanced parenthesis inside? |
| 01:07.44 | kremonte | SP|Sorren - it's not only 3 |
| 01:07.46 | kremonte | it's dynamic. |
| 01:07.53 | kremonte | 1 2 7 10 anything |
| 01:07.54 | SP|Sorren | ahh |
| 01:08.21 | SP|Sorren | surrounded by ()? |
| 01:08.31 | SP|Sorren | with () possible in the middle? |
| 01:08.36 | kremonte | yes |
| 01:08.40 | kremonte | it can be (()) too though |
| 01:09.03 | kremonte | ((string1 || string is # 2 || string (3) (33333) 33333 ) |
| 01:09.04 | Guillotine | basically, were trying to emulate the function of purl as in: |
| 01:09.06 | kremonte | ))* |
| 01:09.06 | Guillotine | ~literal kergoth |
| 01:09.08 | purl | "kergoth" is "Chris Larson, an open source developer, often in the embedded Linux arena. Currently unemployed. Contact at kergoth@handhelds.org. Core dev / architect on the BitBake, OpenZaurus, and OpenEmbedded projects. Maintainer of the tslib project. Often the resident BOFH, and often an ass. Newbies and the clueless beware." |
| 01:09.10 | kremonte | ~literal emulate kergoth |
| 01:09.11 | purl | "emulate kergoth" is "<action> wields a mean polished, spiked cluebat||<action>hacks on bitbake, OpenEmbedded, OpenZaurus, and other projects||<reply>Ooh look, shiny! Erm, I know I was supposed to be doing something. I wonder what it was || <action> hmmms. || <reply> $who: Why don't you leave, and come back when you've got some clue?" |
| 01:09.18 | Guillotine | right. emulate. hehe |
| 01:09.39 | Guillotine | where it choses a random phrase from within the options |
| 01:10.43 | kremonte | http://www.origami-club.com/xmas/ yatta~! |
| 01:11.29 | Tain | http://ace.pastebin.com/467349 |
| 01:12.16 | Tain | I'll get rid of the parentheses myself. |
| 01:13.40 | kremonte | Tain - that gave me 1 2 and 3 |
| 01:14.34 | Tain | Where? Are you runnign in game or in Lua? |
| 01:14.39 | kremonte | lua |
| 01:14.49 | kremonte | using 5.0 |
| 01:15.21 | Tain | I'm doing the same thing, exactly what I pasted is printing out the three segments |
| 01:15.30 | kremonte | huh |
| 01:15.35 | kremonte | i dont mean "1" "2" and "3" |
| 01:15.41 | kremonte | its not giving me string3 |
| 01:15.43 | kremonte | string4* |
| 01:15.57 | Tain | ooh |
| 01:16.03 | Legorol | Norganna's version doesn't handle spaces right |
| 01:16.45 | Guillotine | Legorol: yes it does |
| 01:16.48 | Guillotine | it is for me |
| 01:16.51 | Legorol | ? |
| 01:16.51 | Guillotine | I just tested it |
| 01:17.01 | Tain | ooh that's right |
| 01:17.02 | Guillotine | there is a REQUIRED leading space though |
| 01:17.11 | Tain | ARe you guys formatting this data yourself? |
| 01:17.11 | Legorol | yeah that's the thing |
| 01:17.18 | Legorol | it won't handle (a||b||c) |
| 01:17.38 | Guillotine | Legorol: no. it handles (a|b|c) |
| 01:17.46 | Guillotine | WoW converts | to || in chat |
| 01:17.58 | SP|Sorren | do the internal parenthesis have to be balanced? |
| 01:18.36 | Tain | I forgot. |
| 01:18.42 | Guillotine | Kremonte: lets just dissalow itnernal parenthesis |
| 01:18.42 | Tain | http://ace.pastebin.com/467362 |
| 01:19.00 | kremonte | or use Tain's ^^ |
| 01:19.07 | Tain | That also takes care of leading/trailing spaces, whether they're there or not. |
| 01:19.33 | Guillotine | nice. I'll test it |
| 01:19.37 | Tain | Oh that's a lie it doesn't. |
| 01:19.37 | Tain | haha |
| 01:20.02 | Legorol | Guillotine, i'm confused how norganna's coudl work, it has a %s+ in it |
| 01:20.06 | Legorol | the + implies at least one match |
| 01:20.35 | Legorol | I just tried norganna's code on "(a||b||c)" and it doesn't work |
| 01:20.40 | Guillotine | ya. it requires a LEADING space. e.g. (hello | hi) won't work but ( hello | hi) will |
| 01:21.25 | Legorol | that's what i was saying |
| 01:21.34 | Legorol | Tain, i think yours doesn't include the last element? |
| 01:21.42 | SP|Sorren | question: can you unload load on demand addons? |
| 01:21.50 | Legorol | e.g. in your example, i think it won't find string5 |
| 01:21.53 | SP|Sorren | and if you can, if you reload them does it load new code? |
| 01:21.54 | Legorol | i mean string4 |
| 01:22.19 | Legorol | plus, it produces extra nil-length matches for the separators |
| 01:24.42 | Tain | The second one I posted does catch the last entry. But the spaces stuff isn't right. |
| 01:25.18 | Fanook | assuming the separator is |, "[(|]%s*[^|)]*%s*([|)]+.*%)?)" perhaps? not sure how to extend to || as separator |
| 01:25.42 | Legorol | Tain, it does? |
| 01:25.45 | Legorol | not when i'm trying |
| 01:25.52 | Legorol | ah right |
| 01:25.57 | Legorol | i wasn't trying your latest one |
| 01:26.25 | Tain | But when you're capturing the elements do you want the spaces included in the capture, or no? |
| 01:26.29 | Legorol | ok, how about this: http://wow.pastebin.com/467374 |
| 01:26.44 | Legorol | Guillotine wants no leading or trailing spaces, but wants spaces within the string |
| 01:26.58 | Legorol | so "( a b | c )" should be captured as "a b", "c" |
| 01:27.08 | Legorol | try the one i just posted |
| 01:27.13 | Legorol | i beleive it handles everything now |
| 01:27.19 | Legorol | you can substitute | for || if you like |
| 01:27.24 | Guillotine | after this BG :) |
| 01:27.25 | Legorol | or whatever separator you want |
| 01:27.56 | Legorol | it handles 0 or more spaces in any location |
| 01:29.56 | kremonte | nice |
| 01:31.01 | kremonte | http://wow.pastebin.com/467378 minor fix |
| 01:31.27 | Legorol | why the fix? |
| 01:31.36 | kremonte | the blank keys |
| 01:31.45 | Legorol | what about them |
| 01:31.50 | Legorol | should they be skipped? |
| 01:31.51 | kremonte | they were being included |
| 01:31.56 | kremonte | yes, we don't want blank |
| 01:31.58 | kremonte | ;x |
| 01:32.01 | Legorol | i didn't know what it was supposed to do with it |
| 01:32.07 | Legorol | the original spec by Guillotine didn't say ;-) |
| 01:32.13 | Legorol | so it's returning them as 0-length strings |
| 01:32.13 | kremonte | heh |
| 01:32.16 | kremonte | ill put it into panda now |
| 01:32.29 | Tain | Yes, I blame the request specs. |
| 01:32.37 | Legorol | Guillotine said capture things of the form (a | b | c) |
| 01:32.40 | SP|Sorren | kremont wont that miss the last string? |
| 01:32.44 | Legorol | but didn't say what should happen with zero-length b |
| 01:32.57 | kremonte | SP|Sorren - the last string isn't 0 length |
| 01:32.58 | Legorol | SP|Sorren: the one kremonte linked? no |
| 01:33.03 | kremonte | it splits it regardless of whether it's | or || |
| 01:33.15 | SP|Sorren | nevermind |
| 01:33.15 | Legorol | actually no, it only splits at |'s |
| 01:33.16 | SP|Sorren | i see it |
| 01:33.21 | Legorol | it doesn't split at ||s |
| 01:33.34 | Legorol | although that's a trivial thing to change |
| 01:33.49 | Tain | It does split at ||, and adds the extra nul match like mine was. That's the problem. |
| 01:33.51 | Legorol | btw, why is this whole problem interesting? where did it come from? |
| 01:34.06 | SP|Sorren | regex strings are fun. |
| 01:34.08 | Legorol | Tain, the request spec said the string to be split uses | and not || |
| 01:34.12 | Legorol | i asked Guillotine specifically |
| 01:34.16 | Legorol | so it's his fault |
| 01:34.18 | Legorol | :-) |
| 01:34.26 | Tain | Well, they were talking both before you asked. I was still on the original unclear specs. ;) |
| 01:34.50 | Fanook | guillotine posted a code snippet and asked why it wasn't working |
| 01:34.57 | Legorol | right |
| 01:35.03 | Legorol | well anyway, he is doing BG right now |
| 01:35.08 | Tain | It wasn't working because it was... ugly! |
| 01:35.08 | Legorol | so we can't ask him if he wants | or || |
| 01:35.24 | Tain | I think at this point he loses the choice and gets told which to use. :) |
| 01:35.32 | kremonte | Legorol - i'm working on the mod with Guillotine ;) |
| 01:35.51 | Tain | I mean really if they're going to be creating the data form themselves I don't see why you wouldn't just lay it out in the first place to be the easiest format. |
| 01:35.52 | Legorol | right |
| 01:36.05 | Legorol | kremonte: so what's the required spec ;-) |
| 01:36.06 | Legorol | | or | |
| 01:36.09 | Legorol | i mean | or || |
| 01:36.19 | kremonte | || is preferred, but doesnt really matter. |
| 01:36.24 | Legorol | http://wow.pastebin.com/467380 |
| 01:36.32 | Legorol | that will consider either a | or a || as separator |
| 01:36.41 | Legorol | so even ( word1 | word2 || word3 ) will work |
| 01:37.15 | Legorol | if you want to have || as separator, change the |+ to || |
| 01:38.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=void@eacb01-00-crlnpr-24-48-144-65.miamfl.adelphia.net) |
| 01:40.30 | kremonte | http://wow.pastebin.com/467385 |
| 01:40.33 | kremonte | why is Message becoming nil |
| 01:42.01 | SP|Sorren | if it finds no matches |
| 01:42.04 | SP|Sorren | it'll become nil? |
| 01:42.05 | SP|Sorren | O.o |
| 01:42.25 | kremonte | oh~! |
| 01:42.31 | Legorol | because if you don't have a $nick, it becomes nil |
| 01:42.38 | kremonte | no |
| 01:43.35 | Legorol | hm no that's not true is it |
| 01:43.40 | Tain | Ok, I'm done with that. Going to get rum and log in to the game. |
| 01:43.43 | kremonte | ohh. i get it. |
| 01:43.53 | kremonte | your regex is designed for ONLY (asd|asd|Sdf) |
| 01:43.58 | kremonte | not adfsdfsdff (asd|asd|Asd) sdfsdfg |
| 01:44.06 | Legorol | that's true |
| 01:44.15 | Legorol | that's fixable |
| 01:44.31 | kremonte | how =D |
| 01:44.39 | Legorol | is there going to be only a single entity of the form (a|b|c) in the string? |
| 01:44.42 | Tain | Why don't you explain the entire data format and what you want to do? From the beginning. |
| 01:44.49 | Legorol | or it's possible that message has multiple bracket expressions? |
| 01:45.04 | kremonte | ok, say i do |
| 01:45.29 | kremonte | Tom, no, say hi is <reply> What, $nick? Oh, (hello!||bye :)) |
| 01:45.49 | kremonte | or, more simple |
| 01:46.01 | kremonte | Tom, no, say hi is <reply> (Hi|Hello) |
| 01:46.22 | Legorol | ok if the message is only allowed to have a single (a|b) type structure, then it's fixable |
| 01:46.28 | Legorol | if it can have multiple, then it's tougher |
| 01:46.31 | kremonte | that's fine for now |
| 01:46.45 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:46.46 | Guillotine | 1 is ok for now, but ideally we'd like it to be able to have multiple |
| 01:47.17 | SP|Sorren | maybe do local _, _, message = string.find( "%b()" ); then strip the parenthesis? |
| 01:47.25 | kremonte | %b? |
| 01:47.29 | SP|Sorren | balanced |
| 01:47.34 | kremonte | and its possible to have text after hte ()'s |
| 01:47.51 | SP|Sorren | this is only for the sub parts |
| 01:47.55 | SP|Sorren | you can sub it back in later |
| 01:48.00 | kremonte | huh |
| 01:48.02 | kremonte | i dont understand :S |
| 01:48.17 | kremonte | how do i make it only split the data inside the ()'s? >< |
| 01:48.18 | SP|Sorren | i seem to have misplaced your code |
| 01:48.40 | Legorol | kremo, http://wow.pastebin.com/467396 |
| 01:49.05 | Legorol | basically replaced %s with [^(] and [^)] in the first filter |
| 01:49.30 | Legorol | so what it does is: first it extracts the text inside the first and last opening/closing brackets in the text |
| 01:49.35 | Legorol | then it splits them up by | characters |
| 01:50.11 | Legorol | if you want to allow for multiple (|) expressions, e.g. |
| 01:50.18 | Legorol | (Hi|Hello)(Bob|Joe) |
| 01:50.24 | Legorol | then the code needs to be rewritten |
| 01:50.33 | Guillotine | ug |
| 01:50.34 | kremonte | its still nil :( |
| 01:50.48 | Legorol | not rewritten dramatically, mind you |
| 01:51.00 | Legorol | it just means it has to parse opening/closing bracket pairs |
| 01:51.11 | Legorol | kremonte, not working? |
| 01:51.16 | kremonte | nope |
| 01:51.18 | kremonte | still nil |
| 01:51.24 | Legorol | can you paste the entire Panda_Say function? |
| 01:51.56 | kremonte | http://wow.pastebin.com/467401 |
| 01:52.06 | kremonte | er |
| 01:52.07 | kremonte | Guillotine! |
| 01:52.11 | kremonte | he put in norganna's code o_O |
| 01:52.28 | Guillotine | ya |
| 01:52.32 | Guillotine | you can just comment it out |
| 01:52.38 | Guillotine | so far, norgannas works the best |
| 01:52.44 | Guillotine | from what ive seen |
| 01:52.46 | kremonte | well thats not the problem |
| 01:52.59 | kremonte | because its saying its concatenating nil on like |
| 01:53.04 | kremonte | local Message = Message .. " |
| 01:53.06 | kremonte | |"; |
| 01:53.56 | Legorol | is the OriginalMessage nil by any chance? |
| 01:54.06 | kremonte | nope |
| 01:54.22 | kremonte | then local message = string.gsub() would error |
| 01:54.37 | Legorol | ok, this line: local _,_,Message = string.find(Message, "^[^(]*%((.*)%)[^)]*$"); |
| 01:54.48 | Depherios | does anybody ever have problems with tracking LAGGING? (i.e. the dots not appearing until you've stepped right on top of them?) |
| 01:54.50 | Legorol | will produce a nil Message if the message does NOT contain a parentheses expression |
| 01:55.36 | Depherios | or until they're really close, anyway (pardon my overexaggeration(sp)) |
| 01:55.36 | kremonte | it was nil on |
| 01:55.42 | kremonte | Tom, no, say hi is <reply> (Hello|Hi) |
| 01:55.49 | Legorol | kremonte, put the code full of prints |
| 01:55.56 | Legorol | check the Message variable after every line where you alter it |
| 01:56.22 | Legorol | can you give me an example OriginalMessage you are passing to it? |
| 01:56.41 | kremonte | (Hello|Hi) |
| 01:56.42 | kremonte | heh. |
| 01:56.57 | kremonte | hmm |
| 01:57.11 | kremonte | beginning of function: (Hello|Hi) |
| 01:57.19 | kremonte | after gsubbing nick, same thing |
| 01:57.44 | kremonte | after _,_,message = string.find(message, "^[^(] etc) it's Hello||Hi |
| 01:57.53 | kremonte | oh, the first two were (Hello||Hi) |
| 01:58.09 | kremonte | after concatenating it's Hello||Hi| |
| 01:58.19 | kremonte | wait it goes the whole way now |
| 01:58.19 | kremonte | wtf? |
| 01:58.25 | kremonte | now i'm getting a ctra error |
| 01:58.33 | kremonte | ~kill lua |
| 01:58.34 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited meson gun at lua |
| 01:58.36 | kremonte | ~kill regexp's |
| 01:58.38 | purl | ACTION shoots a anti-photon gun at regexp's |
| 01:59.08 | Legorol | kremonte, the function you pasted has a linje like this: |
| 01:59.12 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.16 | kremonte | yup |
| 01:59.17 | Legorol | line 16 on the pastebin |
| 01:59.18 | kremonte | its Hi |
| 01:59.20 | Legorol | that will give you nil |
| 01:59.22 | kremonte | or Hello |
| 01:59.29 | Legorol | because Message does not contain parentheses anymore |
| 01:59.30 | kremonte | why would it be nil |
| 01:59.35 | Legorol | i mean |
| 01:59.52 | Legorol | ehm |
| 02:00.08 | Legorol | why do you have two different versions of the splitting up thing? |
| 02:00.16 | kremonte | ? huh |
| 02:00.20 | SP|Sorren | one strips the () |
| 02:00.20 | kremonte | irt norganna's? |
| 02:00.26 | Legorol | but you also have mine |
| 02:00.38 | Legorol | ok, is the Panda_Say function exactly the way it is on the pastebin? |
| 02:00.49 | Legorol | firs you are using my solution for splitting up the (a|b) things |
| 02:00.58 | Legorol | then again later you have |
| 02:00.59 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.59 | Legorol | local _,_,t = string.find(Message,"^%((.*)%)$") |
| 02:00.59 | Legorol | t = t.."||" |
| 02:00.59 | Legorol | for a in string.gfind(t, "%s-(.-)%s-|%s-") do |
| 02:00.59 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.01 | Legorol | end |
| 02:01.03 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.05 | Legorol | why is this block even in the function? |
| 02:01.08 | kremonte | thats commented out |
| 02:01.10 | kremonte | Guillotine put it in. |
| 02:01.16 | kremonte | ok, ignore that |
| 02:01.19 | kremonte | now my only error is |
| 02:01.22 | kremonte | Invalid escape code in chat message |
| 02:01.38 | Legorol | that occurs if you accidentally putting a | in the chat message |
| 02:01.40 | kremonte | i think i may have fixed it |
| 02:01.47 | Legorol | ok, this line: Message = string.gsub(Message, "%(.*%)", chosenword); |
| 02:01.52 | Legorol | this won't work the way you think it should |
| 02:01.55 | kremonte | heh |
| 02:01.57 | kremonte | yup |
| 02:01.59 | kremonte | i commented it |
| 02:01.59 | Legorol | because at this point Message doesn't contain parentheses anymore |
| 02:02.01 | kremonte | and it works now |
| 02:02.22 | kremonte | woot |
| 02:02.46 | Legorol | I take it now you want to replace the parentheses expression in OriginalMessage with the chosenword? |
| 02:03.02 | kremonte | i just set Message to chosenword |
| 02:03.13 | Legorol | right, but ultimately |
| 02:03.18 | Legorol | if i understand correctly what you are trying to do.. |
| 02:03.42 | Legorol | e.g. if OriginalMessage is "(Hi|Hello) Joe", you want to end up with say "Hello Joe", right? |
| 02:04.15 | kremonte | yea |
| 02:04.18 | kremonte | Hi Joe or Hello Joe |
| 02:05.17 | Legorol | ok, first things first |
| 02:05.24 | Legorol | this line: local _,_,Message = string.find(Message, "^[^(]*%((.*)%)[^)]*$"); |
| 02:05.27 | Legorol | can be simplified slightly |
| 02:06.15 | Legorol | ok have a look at this: http://wow.pastebin.com/467415 |
| 02:06.34 | Legorol | i have made two changes, i have simplified the string.find line a bit |
| 02:06.51 | Legorol | and i have included a line for how you should correctly generate the final message from OriginalMessage by putting in the chosenword |
| 02:07.29 | Legorol | and contrary to what it looks like, it will handle embedded parentheses correctly |
| 02:07.54 | Legorol | So for example (Hi|he(lo)|Goodie) will be correctly handled |
| 02:08.53 | Guillotine | krem, are you editing this on gobby? |
| 02:08.59 | kremonte | yes |
| 02:09.01 | Guillotine | ok |
| 02:10.10 | Legorol | gobby? |
| 02:10.18 | kremonte | multi user text editor |
| 02:10.18 | kremonte | grr |
| 02:10.21 | kremonte | nothing is bloody working now |
| 02:10.23 | Legorol | woah |
| 02:10.26 | Legorol | multiuser? |
| 02:10.35 | Guillotine | with syntax highlighting |
| 02:10.37 | kremonte | Guillotine, take over from here >< i'm going to go get something that is likely unhealthy |
| 02:10.37 | Guillotine | and chat |
| 02:10.40 | Guillotine | and a bunch of other stuff |
| 02:10.54 | Guillotine | take over what? |
| 02:10.59 | kremonte | talking to Legorol :P |
| 02:11.00 | Guillotine | oh |
| 02:11.02 | Guillotine | ok |
| 02:11.03 | kremonte | have Legorol join us on gobby ;) |
| 02:11.03 | Guillotine | sure :) |
| 02:11.07 | Guillotine | yay! ok! |
| 02:11.15 | Legorol | eek, sounds kinky |
| 02:11.38 | Guillotine | whats the link again? |
| 02:11.51 | Guillotine | nm |
| 02:11.53 | Guillotine | http://gobby.0x539.de/ |
| 02:12.20 | Guillotine | its like mutliplayer notepad |
| 02:13.01 | Guillotine | when (if) you download it, let me know and I'll get you set up in our group thingy :) |
| 02:13.47 | Depherios | like Moonedit? |
| 02:14.01 | kremonte | yup |
| 02:14.08 | kremonte | a nicer moonedit |
| 02:14.09 | kremonte | ~gobby |
| 02:14.11 | purl | [gobby] a multi-user, collaborative text editor, available on both linux and windows, with IRC-like communication and realtime editing, on a local or remote host. Gobby can be found at http://gobby.0x539.de/ |
| 02:14.24 | Depherios | yeah, if it has a chat window, it's much nicer XD |
| 02:14.39 | Legorol | ok i just went to gobby's page, the link you gave me |
| 02:14.44 | Legorol | and their install instructions are giving me headache |
| 02:14.47 | Legorol | can you help me? |
| 02:14.51 | kremonte | sure, 1 sec |
| 02:14.58 | Legorol | on one hand, one of their page says i should do this: |
| 02:14.59 | Legorol | Download and install the Gtk+/Win32 Runtime Environment Installer. |
| 02:14.59 | Legorol | Download and install gtkmm-runtime-2.8.1-1.exe. (Make sure you are still online, the installer may download other components.) |
| 02:14.59 | Legorol | Download and install gobby_setup-0.3.0.exe. |
| 02:15.05 | kremonte | uip |
| 02:15.08 | kremonte | do that in that order |
| 02:15.11 | Legorol | on the other hand, the other page says i should do thsi: |
| 02:15.14 | kremonte | and do not get the development gtk+ runtime |
| 02:15.15 | Legorol | Step 2: Download and install net6 |
| 02:15.19 | Legorol | Step 3: Download and install obby |
| 02:15.22 | Legorol | Step 4: Download and install Gobby |
| 02:15.23 | kremonte | Legorol - linux instal ;) |
| 02:15.30 | kergoth | ~fishslap Legorol |
| 02:15.32 | purl | ACTION slaps Legorol up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 02:15.39 | kremonte | ~thank Eraphine |
| 02:15.39 | purl | kremonte: sure thing |
| 02:15.39 | SP|Sorren | did you get it working yet? |
| 02:15.40 | kremonte | er |
| 02:15.40 | Legorol | so which of the two sets of instructions do i follow? |
| 02:15.42 | kremonte | ~thank kergoth |
| 02:15.42 | purl | kremonte: gern geschehen |
| 02:15.48 | kremonte | ..what? |
| 02:15.52 | Legorol | kremonte: i am using windows |
| 02:16.00 | kremonte | http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/InstallationGuide |
| 02:16.03 | Legorol | there are two sets of instructions on gobby's page, and i don't know which one to follow |
| 02:16.07 | kremonte | DL GTK+ win32 runtime env |
| 02:16.13 | kremonte | DL gtkmm runtime |
| 02:16.14 | kremonte | DL gobby |
| 02:16.15 | Legorol | so what about the steps on this page: |
| 02:16.15 | Legorol | http://gobby.0x539.de/download.html |
| 02:16.16 | kremonte | :) |
| 02:16.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Malivil (n=Alaerand@209-6-253-11.c3-0.frm-ubr2.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 02:16.21 | kremonte | those are for linux |
| 02:16.23 | kremonte | ignore them |
| 02:16.30 | Legorol | but it has a Windows Installer in Step 4 |
| 02:16.35 | kremonte | grr |
| 02:16.41 | kremonte | ~whaleslap Legorol |
| 02:16.42 | purl | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap Legorol over the head with it..... |
| 02:16.42 | Legorol | explain! |
| 02:16.44 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:16.47 | kremonte | http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/InstallationGuide |
| 02:16.49 | Depherios | just get hte windows installer and skip the rest |
| 02:16.49 | kremonte | JUST DO THAT e_e; |
| 02:16.51 | Legorol | i don't want to just follow install instructions |
| 02:16.57 | Legorol | i want to understand what the steps on this page mean: |
| 02:16.57 | kremonte | Depherios, you need gtk |
| 02:16.57 | Legorol | http://gobby.0x539.de/download.html |
| 02:17.06 | kremonte | they are for linux -.- |
| 02:17.11 | kremonte | you have to install a bunch of other network crud |
| 02:17.15 | Legorol | then why does it have a link to the windows installer? |
| 02:17.22 | kergoth | Legorol, step one says to read the fucking installation guide |
| 02:17.24 | kremonte | because it wants to |
| 02:17.27 | kergoth | why dont you start at step one |
| 02:17.29 | kergoth | and go from there |
| 02:17.32 | Cairenn | *sigh* |
| 02:17.45 | kremonte | kergoff got maded |
| 02:17.57 | Depherios | ... GTK? I might already have it? XD what is it? |
| 02:17.58 | kergoth | sorry, people who fail to rtfm bug me |
| 02:18.03 | Legorol | i did follow the instrucitons on http://gobby.0x539.de/download.html, i *read* the section pertaining to me |
| 02:18.08 | kremonte | Microsoft Windows |
| 02:18.09 | kremonte | * Download and install the Gtk+/Win32 Runtime Environment Installer. |
| 02:18.09 | kremonte | * Download and install gtkmm-runtime-2.8.1-1.exe. (Make sure you are still online, the installer may download other components.) |
| 02:18.09 | kremonte | * Download and install gobby_setup-0.3.0.exe. |
| 02:18.10 | Legorol | it didn't tell me to actually download anything |
| 02:18.10 | kremonte | That's it! |
| 02:18.19 | Legorol | kremonte, you still haven't answered my question |
| 02:18.19 | Tain | So! Anyone playing on Draka? |
| 02:18.23 | Legorol | why does http://gobby.0x539.de/download.html have a windows installer? |
| 02:18.29 | kergoth | who gives a shit? |
| 02:18.31 | kremonte | Microsoft Windows |
| 02:18.31 | Legorol | i do |
| 02:18.34 | kremonte | (...) |
| 02:18.34 | Cairenn | kergoth |
| 02:18.37 | kremonte | That's it! |
| 02:18.45 | Legorol | Tain: i am |
| 02:18.49 | Legorol | when i am not installing gobby :D |
| 02:18.50 | kergoth | take it to private messages, stop wasting peoples time |
| 02:19.22 | Tain | Cair: Everyone laughed at me earlier because I called the server Craka. :/ |
| 02:19.24 | Legorol | ok i think i get it now |
| 02:19.34 | Depherios | Kraka, not Craka |
| 02:19.41 | Tain | That's right. |
| 02:19.46 | Depherios | it was funny though :P |
| 02:19.55 | Tain | Kraka, laka |
| 02:20.00 | kremonte | kraka plz |
| 02:20.02 | Malivil | Cair |
| 02:20.03 | kremonte | Naga plz |
| 02:20.10 | Malivil | Can i PM you real quick? |
| 02:20.20 | Cairenn | sure |
| 02:20.32 | Tain | Just remember, it's always easier to get forgiveness than permission. |
| 02:20.40 | Guillotine | haha |
| 02:21.32 | SP|Sorren | http://wow.pastebin.com/467434 try that? |
| 02:21.36 | SP|Sorren | or did you get it working already |
| 02:21.37 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 02:21.42 | kremonte | Congratulations, you have reached level 2! |
| 02:21.43 | Guillotine | I think legorol got it |
| 02:21.49 | kremonte | sorta. |
| 02:21.51 | kremonte | Guillotine, try it in game |
| 02:21.56 | kremonte | (I am on Lej right now) |
| 02:22.33 | SP|Sorren | mine will only work if the inner parenthesis are balanced as well though o.O |
| 02:22.56 | Legorol | can someone explain to me what gtk is? |
| 02:23.03 | Legorol | i like to know what i'm installing on my machine |
| 02:23.14 | kremonte | handles the graphics |
| 02:23.15 | Fanook | it's a standard graphics library, for drawing the windows and such |
| 02:23.34 | Legorol | i see |
| 02:23.41 | Legorol | why does one need such a thing on windows? |
| 02:23.49 | Legorol | doesn't windows have builtin API for that sort of thign? |
| 02:24.00 | kergoth | because gobby was written for gtk to make it portable, to windows or linux |
| 02:24.06 | kergoth | just as gaim is |
| 02:24.20 | Legorol | so is the gtk library running on top of the windows API |
| 02:24.22 | Legorol | or is it a replacement |
| 02:24.27 | kremonte | running on top of |
| 02:24.28 | kergoth | you dont replace it. |
| 02:24.39 | Legorol | and what is gtkmm? |
| 02:24.48 | kremonte | gtk memory manager, if memory serves |
| 02:24.51 | kremonte | %) |
| 02:24.51 | kergoth | nope |
| 02:24.56 | kremonte | guess not |
| 02:25.02 | kremonte | i tried to make a pun there |
| 02:25.05 | kergoth | gtkmm is a gtk wrapper for use from c++ |
| 02:25.14 | kremonte | that is a very lame pun |
| 02:25.19 | kergoth | yes :P |
| 02:25.30 | Legorol | ok i don't understand that sentence, could you elaborate please? |
| 02:25.43 | Legorol | what's the distinction between gtk+ and gtkmm |
| 02:25.53 | kergoth | gtk is a library with a C api |
| 02:25.57 | Legorol | right |
| 02:26.01 | kergoth | gtkmm wraps gtk so it can be used more painlessly from c++ |
| 02:26.11 | kergoth | try google, it helps |
| 02:26.13 | Legorol | ok, so gtkmm is a library to a library :-) |
| 02:26.18 | kergoth | .. |
| 02:26.20 | Legorol | i am very crap at googling |
| 02:26.29 | kremonte | you can google "gtkmm" |
| 02:26.30 | Legorol | i never find anything i search for :( |
| 02:26.46 | kergoth | google for gtkmm, first link, is the project |
| 02:26.53 | Fanook | gtkmm is an interface for gtk+ which is easier to use if you're writing the program in c++ |
| 02:27.18 | kergoth | thats what we just said |
| 02:27.26 | Legorol | ok, so if i am just running stuff, is it still necessary? |
| 02:27.39 | Legorol | it's more of a library than an interface? |
| 02:27.45 | kergoth | if the application you're running needs gtkmm, then you need gtkmm. |
| 02:27.48 | kergoth | what? |
| 02:27.50 | kremonte | what, Legorol? |
| 02:27.59 | kremonte | if you want to use gobby, you need them, period |
| 02:28.01 | kergoth | please define your use of "library" and "interface". libraries _have_ interfaces. |
| 02:28.02 | kremonte | it's not stoptional |
| 02:28.04 | Legorol | ok i am just not sure i know what the word "interface" means |
| 02:28.07 | kergoth | you're being incredibly unclear |
| 02:28.15 | Legorol | yes i know i am, because i don't know about these things |
| 02:28.19 | kergoth | then go read. |
| 02:28.21 | kergoth | wikipedia and google. |
| 02:28.23 | Legorol | and you guys aren't helping by saying "just go do it" |
| 02:28.24 | kremonte | google ftw |
| 02:28.36 | Legorol | i am asking for help/explanation, if you don't want to give it, i can google/wiki, that's fine |
| 02:28.37 | kergoth | your time is not worth more than ours. stop wasting ours, and go use some of yours. |
| 02:28.41 | Legorol | but replying with "just do it" is not a solution |
| 02:29.30 | Legorol | all right, my last question then: |
| 02:29.37 | kremonte | purl, work? |
| 02:29.38 | purl | i guess work is punishment for failing to procrastinate effectively. |
| 02:29.43 | Legorol | should i be downloading gobby 0.3.0 or 0.3.0rc3 |
| 02:29.49 | Guillotine | no idea |
| 02:29.57 | Guillotine | jsut follow those two links I msged you |
| 02:30.00 | Legorol | because one page has one, the other has the other |
| 02:30.17 | Guillotine | the two links I messaged you are the ones I used... |
| 02:30.19 | kremonte | just get the one from http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/InstallationGuide |
| 02:30.20 | kremonte | ... |
| 02:37.17 | Cairenn | Malivil, thank you, he has it fixed now |
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| 02:41.15 | Malivil | cool |
| 02:41.29 | Malivil | Yup, yup it has =-) |
| 02:42.06 | Cairenn | yeah, his response was "duh, must have been tired last time I updated, yaddayadda" |
| 02:48.08 | Malivil | haha, it happens =-P |
| 02:49.35 | Legorol | ok i have gobby installed, now what? |
| 02:50.29 | Legorol | btw, the experience of installing gobby was an interesting one, it makes me appreciate those AddOn users who don't want to have to download a bunch of dependencies just to get a particular AddOn running |
| 02:50.43 | Legorol | Guillotine, kremonte, what do i do next? |
| 02:51.04 | Guillotine | start Gobby |
| 02:51.09 | Legorol | done |
| 02:51.51 | Guillotine | connect to 24.187.164.234 |
| 02:51.54 | Guillotine | default port |
| 02:52.25 | Legorol | wow, sunset over zoram'gar outpost |
| 02:52.31 | Legorol | looks beautiful |
| 02:52.56 | Legorol | done |
| 03:03.32 | Malivil | i'm gonna hit the hay |
| 03:03.35 | Malivil | g'night all |
| 03:16.12 | Cairenn | lalala |
| 03:17.29 | Tain | I logged on Alliance and there was no one there, logged on Horde and there was two people. |
| 03:18.00 | Cairenn | who is on? |
| 03:18.51 | Tain | Now it's just me and Lozareth. |
| 03:19.43 | Tain | But it's probably fairly entertaining to him as I try to learn how to play a Hunter. |
| 03:20.03 | Depherios | People on horde~! |
| 03:20.29 | Tain | heh |
| 03:20.44 | Depherios | yaaay queue D: |
| 03:21.07 | Guillotine | tain: lozareth is on Draka? |
| 03:21.16 | Tain | Yes |
| 03:21.18 | Cairenn | Guillotine: yup, has been for a while now |
| 03:21.21 | Guillotine | :0 i need to meet him! |
| 03:21.30 | Guillotine | alliance or horde/ |
| 03:21.35 | Cairenn | he's got the highest lvl char in the guild |
| 03:21.37 | Cairenn | horde |
| 03:21.58 | kremonte | lol, what levle |
| 03:22.00 | Tain | You can also hear my running commentary as I find out things like I'm not allowed to tame Giraffes. |
| 03:22.04 | Tain | Much to my sadness. :( |
| 03:22.05 | Cairenn | 25 last I saw |
| 03:22.11 | kremonte | 165 q |
| 03:22.11 | kremonte | :( |
| 03:22.11 | Tain | 27 now. :) |
| 03:22.14 | kremonte | 80 q o_O |
| 03:22.15 | kremonte | lol; |
| 03:22.18 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:22.19 | Cairenn | Tain: no herbivores |
| 03:22.21 | Depherios | I wanted a Giraffe too |
| 03:22.23 | Tain | I wanted a Giraffe. :( |
| 03:22.31 | Depherios | that's why I use DoTs to try to pull them to orgrimmar |
| 03:22.37 | Tain | Well, I really wanted a hare, but no critters either. |
| 03:22.40 | kremonte | those damn giraffes |
| 03:22.51 | Cairenn | it's been an ongoing bitching of hunters since CB days :p |
| 03:22.58 | kergoth | i wish we could mount while in gnome santa form :( |
| 03:23.13 | Guillotine | ya :( |
| 03:23.30 | kremonte | i can =D |
| 03:23.32 | kremonte | gnomes can* |
| 03:23.41 | kremonte | if you cancel the buff, you still have the costume on. it's bugged |
| 03:23.46 | Cairenn | Imma log in to Azjol for a while, see how my guild is doing, since I haven't been on over there in like forever |
| 03:23.46 | kergoth | haha |
| 03:23.47 | kergoth | nice |
| 03:23.49 | kremonte | but santa with long beard + red suit + reindeer |
| 03:23.50 | kremonte | = |
| 03:24.03 | kremonte | ./y Ho ho ho, trade me (santa) for Christmas Presents! |
| 03:24.05 | kremonte | [Coal] |
| 03:24.14 | Depherios | almost... there |
| 03:24.15 | Depherios | YAY |
| 03:24.27 | kremonte | i did that, i gave away 32 coal and 5 giftwrapped level 45+ greens :) |
| 03:25.26 | kremonte | ~laziness |
| 03:25.29 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
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| 03:29.22 | kremonte | Cairenn - can you ginvite strlower :) |
| 03:29.36 | Cairenn | not easily, given that I'm not on :p |
| 03:29.39 | kremonte | :O |
| 03:29.44 | kremonte | any officer+~'s on? |
| 03:29.59 | Cairenn | unless Kael or Bela are, nope |
| 03:30.16 | kremonte | :( |
| 03:30.33 | kremonte | so i waited in the 60 queue for NOTHIJNG?!@# how dare you |
| 03:30.41 | Cairenn | *sigh* gimme a couple, I'll switch over |
| 03:30.45 | futrtrubl | Is it wrong of my to have expected Curse to aprove my mod within 24 hours? |
| 03:31.00 | Cairenn | oh |
| 03:31.01 | Cairenn | oh my |
| 03:31.04 | Cairenn | ummm |
| 03:31.09 | Cairenn | someone else answer that |
| 03:31.13 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 03:31.16 | kremonte | who is strata |
| 03:31.16 | kremonte | =o |
| 03:31.21 | Depherios | me |
| 03:31.47 | norganna__ | futrtrubl: Curse don't answer me at all of recent times |
| 03:31.54 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: last I heard, it can take 3-4 days minimum in order to get a mod approved |
| 03:32.07 | Cairenn | and frequently longer than that |
| 03:32.13 | norganna__ | that's why auctioneer still isn't updated there |
| 03:32.17 | Fanook | dayum |
| 03:32.42 | norganna__ | it *says* i have permissions to update, but it doesn't let me and they won't fix it (or don't know how) |
| 03:32.56 | futrtrubl | Christ, and don't ban me for a religious reference ;'] the mod consists of 2 tgas. Total. Nothing else. I guess they have a virus, or something. |
| 03:33.13 | norganna__ | i think they may have a staffing problem |
| 03:33.26 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: not likely :p |
| 03:33.40 | Cairenn | (re the banning for saying "christ") |
| 03:33.40 | futrtrubl | It *says* that there is new version of my mod there, but I can't get to it. |
| 03:33.53 | futrtrubl | thanks Cairenn |
| 03:34.04 | norganna__ | they got some problems |
| 03:34.06 | Cairenn | which mod? |
| 03:34.14 | futrtrubl | Square Portraits |
| 03:34.25 | futrtrubl | it's on WoWI too |
| 03:35.08 | Cairenn | well, if it was approved on WoWI, there's no virus in it :p |
| 03:36.00 | SP|Sorren | futr: my last two mods took two days to get approved |
| 03:36.13 | futrtrubl | I know, I was being sarcastic ;'] the zip is a whopping 895 bytes |
| 03:36.14 | Tain | Boycot! |
| 03:36.36 | Cairenn | I'm not sure what is going on with Curse, I feel bad for them either way |
| 03:37.15 | futrtrubl | once you get a mod aproved they don't seem to do any checking when you upload new versions, so it doesn't make sense |
| 03:37.43 | Depherios | they're not worried about viruses |
| 03:37.58 | Depherios | they're probably more worried about people uploading garbage... if it's A MOD, the person is likely not going to do anything |
| 03:37.58 | futrtrubl | then what's the initial delay for? |
| 03:38.03 | Depherios | if it's something dumb |
| 03:38.08 | futrtrubl | ahh |
| 03:38.09 | Depherios | then they're dumb |
| 03:38.23 | Depherios | how many people do you know who could actually WRITE an addon, would do something malicious? XD |
| 03:38.40 | Cairenn | Depherios: oh my |
| 03:38.50 | Depherios | I'm sure there's some XD |
| 03:38.52 | Depherios | I'm just saying |
| 03:38.55 | Cairenn | *some*? |
| 03:38.58 | futrtrubl | raizes hand. |
| 03:39.01 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:39.20 | futrtrubl | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.28 | norganna__ | Depherios: how many who could and would. |
| 03:39.37 | Depherios | Yes... that |
| 03:39.50 | norganna__ | usually the ones who would couldn't and those who could wont |
| 03:39.58 | Depherios | yeah |
| 03:40.00 | Depherios | precisely |
| 03:42.04 | Guillotine | g2g. ttyl guys |
| 03:42.15 | norganna__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.19 | norganna__ | dang |
| 03:43.10 | kremonte | ./script spam = function(text, times) if (times <= 0) then return; end; for i=1,times do SendChatMessage(text, "YELL"); end end |
| 03:43.14 | kremonte | ;) |
| 03:43.30 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:43.54 | futrtrubl | what if times = nil? ;'] |
| 03:44.08 | norganna | or a function to mail 1G to me every time they visit the mailbox.... |
| 03:44.34 | kremonte | futrtrubl - then u loze lole |
| 03:44.58 | Depherios | norganna make a char on every server with that name? |
| 03:45.03 | Depherios | +: |
| 03:45.38 | norganna | it's all about trust and not abusing it |
| 03:47.28 | Cairenn | ROFL, I'm standing in IF in snowman form, and I've got some little gnome hiding inside me chucking snowballs at everyone |
| 03:47.36 | kremonte | rofl |
| 03:47.56 | Legorol | Cairenn, are you able to log on to Draka to give poor kremonte and ginvite? |
| 03:47.59 | norganna | at the moment, nobody's done anything malicious... but if somebody did, it would have a dramatic impact on what people would be willing to install. |
| 03:48.19 | Cairenn | aye Norgs, the closest was whatshisname with the druid mod |
| 03:49.13 | Cairenn | switching servers |
| 03:49.20 | Legorol | i just fell in love with Gobby |
| 03:49.26 | kremonte | lol |
| 03:49.44 | Fanook | the cosmos bowing thing was a low point too |
| 03:49.45 | Legorol | despite it having millions of dependencies |
| 03:49.52 | kremonte | or 2 =O |
| 03:49.53 | Cairenn | yeah, well |
| 03:49.54 | Legorol | Fanook, at least noone got hurt |
| 03:49.58 | Legorol | but i agree it was a bad thing |
| 03:49.59 | Fanook | true |
| 03:50.05 | kremonte | Fanook - cosmos bowing? ;x |
| 03:50.12 | Legorol | very old story |
| 03:50.14 | Cairenn | back in CB kremonte |
| 03:50.18 | Cairenn | old old story |
| 03:50.26 | Cairenn | a lot don't know of it |
| 03:50.27 | kremonte | :x |
| 03:50.42 | Legorol | Cairenn, frankly it taught Alex a good lesson |
| 03:50.45 | Depherios | it's one of the arguments used against cosmos |
| 03:50.49 | Cairenn | Legorol: that wasn't the *only* thing they did, but well, you and I have already discussed it |
| 03:50.53 | Legorol | after that Cosmos got lot more careful about public opinion |
| 03:50.58 | Legorol | yeah |
| 03:51.01 | Legorol | plus i wasn't around then |
| 03:51.02 | Fanook | it's one of the reasons we can't use compiled lua |
| 03:51.07 | Legorol | by the time i joined it was lot different atmosphere |
| 03:51.13 | kremonte | wahh? ._.; |
| 03:51.19 | kremonte | what actually happened? anyone mind? |
| 03:51.25 | Cairenn | doesn't matter |
| 03:51.35 | Legorol | Fanook, tbh i don't think you should be able to use compiled Lua anyway |
| 03:51.41 | Cairenn | Alex made a couple bad judgement errors, and hopefully learned from them |
| 03:51.42 | kremonte | ._.; |
| 03:51.43 | Legorol | plus, code obfuscation does wonders if you must |
| 03:51.58 | kremonte | gah, now my curiosity is aroused |
| 03:52.06 | Fanook | me neither, especially since the code is executed on stuff you don't own |
| 03:52.54 | Legorol | i do think that the AddOn community in WoW is above average when it comes to mods and scripting |
| 03:53.04 | Legorol | i am actually positively surprised there isn't more malicious stuff out there |
| 03:53.17 | Legorol | it would take a single rotten apple to cause a lot of headache for all of us |
| 03:53.22 | Legorol | and it looks like all apples are shiny |
| 03:53.30 | Cairenn | but, because there *are* some that will ... WoWI has the policies in place that it does |
| 03:53.31 | Legorol | even though Joe-Kiddo could write his own addons if he wanted to |
| 03:53.40 | Legorol | Cairenn, what are those policies? |
| 03:53.43 | Legorol | a wrist-slap? |
| 03:53.46 | Legorol | :-) |
| 03:54.02 | Legorol | i guess an AddOn's reputation goes a long way |
| 03:54.08 | Legorol | it's like ebay ratings |
| 03:54.18 | Cairenn | kremonte: horde side? |
| 03:54.21 | kremonte | yup |
| 03:54.23 | kremonte | < Strlower |
| 03:55.20 | Cairenn | Legorol: the fact that *every* mod goes through the approval queue *every* time, unless you are a FA |
| 03:55.44 | Cairenn | the fact that you can't upload executables without providing accompanying source code for us to check |
| 03:55.44 | kremonte | FA? |
| 03:55.46 | Cairenn | ect |
| 03:55.50 | Cairenn | etc, even |
| 03:57.21 | Cairenn | Featured Artist |
| 03:57.57 | Cairenn | *shrug* |
| 03:58.47 | Legorol | to be entirely honest, i don't think the approval thing has much to do with it |
| 03:58.53 | Legorol | or is that useful in practice |
| 03:58.58 | Legorol | in the sense that |
| 03:59.00 | Legorol | hmm |
| 03:59.14 | Legorol | in the sens that it's not like you read every line in a big mod submitted |
| 03:59.53 | Anduin|Work | ya, actually I think the manual updates don't really do much |
| 03:59.56 | Legorol | and you can take down someone immediately and all his mods, but then he reregisters under different name/email etc. |
| 04:00.04 | Cairenn | it's useful in the following sense |
| 04:00.11 | Legorol | it really is reputation that counts in my opinion |
| 04:00.24 | Cairenn | random person_01 uploads a mod |
| 04:00.34 | Cairenn | we check it the first time, go "yeah, this is fine" and approve it |
| 04:01.17 | Cairenn | then we never check it again |
| 04:01.24 | Cairenn | (sorry, keep getting distracted) |
| 04:01.37 | Cairenn | so, fine, the first time, there wasn't anything wrong with it |
| 04:01.44 | Anduin|Work | would be simpler if you only needed approval on the first upload |
| 04:01.44 | Legorol | so you have someone on your staff that actually reads the code? |
| 04:01.58 | Cairenn | but the next time, they include a malicious executable |
| 04:02.10 | Tain | I should probably not go solely on my memory of when I played a Horde character a year ago. |
| 04:02.24 | Tain | It turns out that Stonetalon Peak is in fact NOT a good place for the Horde to go. |
| 04:02.39 | Cairenn | but because we didn't check it after that first time, it goes through |
| 04:02.55 | Cairenn | yeah, that's a great policy |
| 04:02.56 | Cairenn | not |
| 04:03.24 | Legorol | Cair, i agree with not allowing executables |
| 04:03.33 | Legorol | but Lua code, you can't check every single time |
| 04:03.39 | Legorol | i don't expect you to have the manpower |
| 04:03.44 | Cairenn | but if we never check again after you've submitted the first time ... |
| 04:03.48 | Cairenn | how do we prevent it? |
| 04:03.57 | Legorol | my point is i don't think you can |
| 04:04.12 | Legorol | if someone wants to really slip in malicious code, they will be able to |
| 04:04.24 | Legorol | unless you really read every line of every version update |
| 04:04.33 | Tain | Speaking of executables, i'll be uploading one sometime soon probably. :) |
| 04:04.36 | norganna | the best you can do (and the public expects of you) is to remove it immediatly upon finding out about a problem |
| 04:04.57 | Legorol | yes |
| 04:07.26 | norganna | :) |
| 04:09.19 | Anduin|Work | u mean the ones that say if anyone in the table NORGANNAS_CHARS is selling items put it at the top of the brokering list? |
| 04:09.41 | Legorol | norganna, you lose! |
| 04:10.07 | norganna | oh well... i bet there has been at least a few |
| 04:10.23 | norganna | and they would have picked up any nasty bits I put in there |
| 04:10.45 | Tain | That's exactly the great thing about the source being open. |
| 04:10.58 | Tain | Anyone can look at it and point out, "bad things (tm)" |
| 04:11.00 | Anduin|Work | or do you mean the more subtle ones that say if NORGANNAS_CHARS have listed any of the items your trying to auction raise your suggested price |
| 04:11.16 | Legorol | Tain, they can, but they won't |
| 04:11.21 | Legorol | in practice such things don't really happen |
| 04:11.31 | Legorol | you don't scrutinize every bit of addon you download, even though youa re a coder |
| 04:11.34 | Tain | I look through every addon I install. |
| 04:11.39 | Legorol | and average user doesn't even know how to |
| 04:11.47 | Tain | The average user doesn't have to. |
| 04:12.03 | Tain | It's the people who know what the code says who would have to do it. |
| 04:12.05 | Depherios | I look through most, anymore, more to ry to learn from them, than to see if there's something evil inside |
| 04:12.14 | Tain | I don't expect anything malicious, ever. |
| 04:12.19 | Tain | But I do look through to see how things are done. |
| 04:12.29 | Tain | And absolutely to learn from. |
| 04:12.51 | Tain | And then we post the code and everyone laughs at how bad i tis. |
| 04:12.56 | Tain | Oh.. wait I'm not supposed to say that part. |
| 04:13.26 | kergoth | meh, who stole my motivation |
| 04:13.35 | Tain | purl did it |
| 04:13.39 | kergoth | damnit purl |
| 04:13.42 | kergoth | ~bad bot |
| 04:13.43 | purl | Bad bot, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 04:13.54 | Tain | ~motivation |
| 04:14.05 | norganna | purl, why did you steal kergoth's motivation? |
| 04:14.08 | purl | Because DJB told me to do it! |
| 04:14.16 | kergoth | *gasp* |
| 04:14.58 | kergoth | hahaha - http://www.despair.com/compromise.html |
| 04:18.19 | kergoth | http://www.despair.com/inspiration.html |
| 04:18.23 | kergoth | woot, all sorts of new demotivators |
| 04:18.26 | kergoth | ~praise depair, inc |
| 04:18.28 | purl | All hail depair, inc! |
| 04:18.58 | norganna | consulting - how good. it's so true |
| 04:19.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:19.29 | kergoth | I have the cluelessness one. bought it when i was working tech support |
| 04:19.39 | kergoth | "There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." |
| 04:20.24 | Tain | I liked better, "There are no stupid questions, there are only stupid people who ask questions." |
| 04:20.29 | kergoth | I _really_ wanted to hang up http://www.despair.com/ap24x30prin.html in my cubicle at that job, but then I decided I didn't want to get fired. |
| 04:21.02 | Anduin|Work | :) |
| 04:21.26 | Anduin|Work | you should hang it on the boss's wall as a practical joke |
| 04:21.55 | kergoth | ~motivation is <reply> If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon. -- http://www.despair.com/ |
| 04:21.57 | purl | okay, kergoth |
| 04:23.09 | kergoth | i should really buy http://www.despair.com/doitlater.html |
| 04:24.28 | norganna | heheh - yup |
| 04:24.45 | norganna | i thought of getting that for work, but i'd probably get fired... :( |
| 04:24.49 | kergoth | :( |
| 04:24.57 | kergoth | oh man, i _love_ http://www.despair.com/proc24x30pri.html |
| 04:25.06 | kergoth | "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." |
| 04:25.17 | norganna | heheh - eiltism |
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| 04:25.27 | norganna | everyone at work would hate me |
| 04:25.41 | Anduin|Work | Beauty - If you're attractive enough on the outside, people will forgive you for being irritating to the core. |
| 04:31.07 | Anduin|Work | http://www.despair.com/worth.html |
| 04:31.55 | SP|Sorren | you need a frame to recieve events right? |
| 04:32.14 | Legorol | yes |
| 04:32.18 | Legorol | is the official answer |
| 04:32.23 | Legorol | no is the answer if you are willing to use ugly hacks |
| 04:32.57 | SP|Sorren | ill just use a frame. |
| 04:32.59 | SP|Sorren | thx |
| 04:36.48 | norganna | They have a screensaver: http://www.despair.com/screensaver.html |
| 04:39.56 | norganna | Legorol: tell me more of this ugly hack... |
| 04:42.07 | kergoth | ugly is something of an understatement in this case |
| 04:42.34 | norganna | this is sounding better and better... |
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| 04:55.24 | Tem | Cairenn: the search box on your site isn't working again |
| 04:55.57 | Cairenn | working fine for me =/ |
| 04:56.16 | Tem | When I click on "Search" it brings me directly to the forum search |
| 04:56.35 | Bela|AFK | it only happens when viewing a download Cair |
| 04:57.01 | Cairenn | Bela, he *just* fixed it |
| 04:57.15 | Beladona | lol |
| 04:57.26 | Beladona | teenage mutant ninja monkeys! |
| 04:57.40 | Tem | no, anywhere on the site that happens to me |
| 04:57.41 | Tain | mmmmmmmonkey |
| 04:57.51 | Tain | Tem crashed WoWI |
| 04:57.51 | Beladona | try now Tem |
| 04:57.53 | Tem | front page, viewing a mod, in the forums |
| 04:57.56 | Tem | anywhere |
| 04:58.01 | Cairenn | tem, screenshot it and post, so Dolby sees |
| 04:58.12 | Beladona | you don't have js disabled do you? |
| 04:58.14 | Tain | And what browser are you using, Tem? |
| 04:58.18 | Tem | well theres nothing to screenshot |
| 04:58.18 | Beladona | that too |
| 04:58.29 | Tem | FF 1.0.9 |
| 04:58.51 | Tem | er, 1.0.7 |
| 04:59.02 | Beladona | it works fine here |
| 04:59.10 | Tain | I just recently installed 1.5 and so far I haven't had any issues at all. |
| 04:59.17 | Tain | You could try to update a bit. |
| 04:59.28 | Tem | I'm gonna update FF.. I've been dragging my heels |
| 04:59.31 | Tem | but I'll do it now |
| 05:03.07 | Fanook | hmmm, if i click search while wowI is still loading, it takes me to the forum search page. if'n i wait until the page loads, it works normally |
| 05:03.43 | Beladona | that would make sense |
| 05:03.56 | norganna | 'sif not use Phoenix 0.97+ |
| 05:05.49 | kergoth | i'm suddenly not in the mood to play wow anymore, i wonder if i'm in the mood to code |
| 05:05.55 | kergoth | doubt it, motivationless |
| 05:06.16 | Tem | nope FF 1.5 doesn't fix it |
| 05:06.38 | kergoth | yay |
| 05:06.53 | norganna | kergoth: motivationless, or demotivated? |
| 05:07.03 | Beladona | is is an external javascript that makes that work |
| 05:07.22 | norganna | where's the form? |
| 05:09.04 | kergoth | norganna: i guess thatd depend on the cause of the lack of motivation. *shrug* |
| 05:09.44 | Beladona | I have had to play with that script a lot before when I ran a vbulletin based frontend on my sites |
| 05:10.47 | norganna | hmm |
| 05:10.55 | Beladona | <script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("navbar_search"); </script> |
| 05:10.59 | norganna | strange, the downloads form has 2 starts |
| 05:11.07 | Beladona | vbmenu register is the function that creates the dropdown |
| 05:11.19 | Beladona | trying to remember where the script inclusion is |
| 05:11.40 | norganna | <form action="http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php" method="post"> |
| 05:11.46 | norganna | then on the next line: |
| 05:11.54 | norganna | <form action="search.php" method="post"> |
| 05:11.54 | Beladona | <script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/clientscript/vbulletin_menu.js"></script> |
| 05:12.13 | Beladona | that is the actual script that creates the menus |
| 05:13.13 | norganna | i think it's the 2 form starts that's probably confusing it, until it fully loads the document and resolves the redundant form |
| 05:13.14 | Beladona | regardless Tem has some kind of weirder issue |
| 05:13.17 | Beladona | it isn't the site |
| 05:13.57 | Beladona | that doesn't explain why 2 people both using FF 1.5 and one gets the menu but one doesn't |
| 05:14.07 | norganna | i'd say having 2 <form> tags to 1 </form> counts as invalid html |
| 05:14.18 | Beladona | sure |
| 05:14.32 | Fanook | actually, i've still gor ff1.0.7 here |
| 05:14.37 | Beladona | but it doesn't brea the apge except in the strictest of browsers |
| 05:14.42 | norganna | if it's not valid and someone has rendering problems, there's your issue |
| 05:16.06 | Beladona | where are you seeing this norganna? |
| 05:16.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphon (n=masked@c-67-183-238-150.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:16.11 | Beladona | in the downloads section? |
| 05:16.59 | Beladona | because I dont have double nested forms on my source |
| 05:17.18 | norganna | http://wow.pastebin.com/467529 |
| 05:17.22 | norganna | front page |
| 05:17.54 | kergoth | haha, http://www.despair.com/unaw.html |
| 05:17.57 | kergoth | "More often than not, employees fall short — so very far short — of even the lowest expectations of others. That's why Despair, Inc. is proud to unveil our revolutionary "Underperformance Awards™."" |
| 05:18.02 | Beladona | that doesn't affect the dropdown effect at all |
| 05:18.02 | kergoth | "If you don't have what it takes to inspire employees with leadership and vision, don't you at least owe it to your company to inspire them with fear and shame? |
| 05:18.13 | Beladona | it would only cause a problem on the div once it was shown |
| 05:18.39 | Beladona | so that doesn't explain his problem of not getting the dropdown in the first place |
| 05:18.51 | norganna | Beladona: it's invalid html |
| 05:19.04 | Beladona | and I am telling you it doens't make a difference |
| 05:19.16 | norganna | depending on the rendering engine it *could* |
| 05:19.36 | Beladona | it doesn't make a difference in the altest versions of the major browsers |
| 05:19.59 | Beladona | it is worth noting to Dolby |
| 05:20.13 | Beladona | I am just trying to figure out why Tem had an issue |
| 05:20.52 | Gryphon | absolute urls :( |
| 05:35.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Matt@adsl-1-74-197.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:05.25 | Cairenn | quiet night |
| 06:05.34 | Kolth | Busy in BWL :P |
| 06:06.22 | Beladona | <- questing |
| 06:07.41 | Cairenn | on Draka or elsewhere? |
| 06:08.53 | Beladona | Draka |
| 06:09.05 | futrtrubl | horde side? |
| 06:09.34 | Beladona | aye |
| 06:09.41 | Beladona | there are several of us on |
| 06:09.49 | Legorol | it's pretty busy tonight |
| 06:09.59 | futrtrubl | any chance I could pester you for a lvl 7 mace.. I think people said you were a BS |
| 06:10.01 | Legorol | i'd been handing out 6-slots left and right |
| 06:10.10 | Beladona | I can make Copper ones |
| 06:10.16 | Legorol | yeah Bela, when is my [Silver Rod] coming? :D |
| 06:10.16 | Beladona | need to skill up a bit |
| 06:10.41 | Beladona | its coming when its coming (tm) |
| 06:10.45 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 06:10.47 | Legorol | good enough for me! |
| 06:11.19 | Beladona | Cair - you gonna play tonight? |
| 06:11.39 | Legorol | g'night folks and folkettes |
| 06:11.43 | Beladona | haha |
| 06:16.02 | Beladona | ? |
| 06:16.02 | Depherios | ...? |
| 06:16.26 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?forumName=wow-interface-customization |
| 06:16.29 | Cairenn | need I say more? |
| 06:16.46 | Kolth | Yeah. |
| 06:16.49 | Kolth | What's up? |
| 06:16.53 | Depherios | Yes actually |
| 06:16.57 | Beladona | I dont see it |
| 06:17.00 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Matt@adsl-1-74-197.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:17.06 | Cairenn | the forum makes me cry, in general |
| 06:17.14 | Kolth | Of course they do. |
| 06:17.16 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:17.17 | Kolth | But that's not new! |
| 06:17.22 | Depherios | it's a WoW forum isn't it? |
| 06:17.33 | Depherios | I kinda cry... my eyes bleed |
| 06:18.18 | Cairenn | noob: "help, how do I do X" ... me: "this link will tell you how to do X" ... noob: "but that is about AddOns, not UIs, I want to use UIs" ... me: "the link I gave you tells you that they are the same thing" ... |
| 06:18.32 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:18.33 | Cairenn | *cries* |
| 06:19.15 | Depherios | or easily googled anyway |
| 06:19.28 | Kolth | Was about to say... |
| 06:19.31 | kergoth | perhaps cair understands my attitude to people who wont go rtfm now :P |
| 06:19.32 | Kolth | Anything can be Googled! :P |
| 06:19.59 | Cairenn | well, and for pity's sake, do you think that perhaps a thread entitled "Hi, READ ME 1ST, ask questions 2nd" might be worth reading? |
| 06:20.06 | Depherios | no |
| 06:20.07 | Depherios | never |
| 06:20.08 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:20.09 | Cairenn | kergoth: I have always understood it |
| 06:20.18 | Kolth | Cairenn: I just now noticed that thread. |
| 06:20.30 | Beladona | there is a line though |
| 06:20.33 | Cairenn | my complaint, as you know, was the manner in which you were dealing with it |
| 06:20.35 | Beladona | you can't tell everyone to ftfm |
| 06:21.08 | Beladona | and know this: |
| 06:21.11 | Cairenn | Bela, lol ... "fuck the fucking manual" |
| 06:21.11 | norganna | my stance is endless patience |
| 06:21.15 | Beladona | the reason those forums are always full of morons |
| 06:21.23 | Beladona | is because only the morons post questions |
| 06:21.24 | Cairenn | as I try to be, norgs |
| 06:21.30 | Beladona | the rest of us know how to find out on our own |
| 06:21.41 | norganna | cair: it's character building. |
| 06:21.59 | kergoth | 3 years of tech support tought me to have infinate patience when i'm paid to have infinate patience. |
| 06:22.16 | Beladona | 3 years? |
| 06:22.25 | Beladona | thats it? |
| 06:22.27 | Beladona | lol |
| 06:22.34 | kergoth | listen |
| 06:22.44 | Cairenn | kergoth: damn near 40 years of life have taught me to have infinite patience with anyone who is genuinely trying to learn and understand |
| 06:22.44 | kergoth | talking a cafeteria lady through using _vi_ on a unix machine |
| 06:22.47 | kergoth | is enough for anybody |
| 06:22.50 | kergoth | more than enough |
| 06:22.54 | Depherios | lucky for me, I don't get payed enough to have infinite patience with everybody XD |
| 06:23.01 | norganna | was that the day you quit? |
| 06:23.04 | Beladona | trust me I know where you are coming from |
| 06:23.25 | Beladona | I once had to talk someone through mouse issues. When they moved the mouse left the cursor would go right, and vice versa |
| 06:23.42 | Beladona | you would think the settings reversed right? |
| 06:23.42 | norganna | upside donw mouse? |
| 06:23.45 | Beladona | aye |
| 06:24.15 | kergoth | gods, i remember this one time, another tech was on the phone wstruggling with this person for like 4 hours, and finally she gave up and said "Look, we cannot help you further unless we talk to your network administrator. Where are they?" and they replied "He's dead!" |
| 06:24.34 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:24.44 | Beladona | killed himself |
| 06:24.49 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 06:25.04 | Cairenn | ooooooooookay ...... Cairenn's infinite patience is being severly tested, someone else feel free to take over the thread, since I don't appreciate being told that the considerable time and effort put forth by the regulars of the forum are "a piece of @#$" |
| 06:25.53 | Beladona | where |
| 06:26.20 | Depherios | curse you Cair! -- now I'm replying to the forum again |
| 06:26.38 | norganna | nope - i don't post on the forums any more |
| 06:26.42 | Beladona | link us damnit, I don't want to read through 20 pages of equally boring posts to find that one |
| 06:27.12 | norganna | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=281356&p=1&tmp=1#post281356 |
| 06:28.41 | Depherios | oh........wow |
| 06:28.43 | kergoth | Cairenn: heh, infinate patience with anyone who is trying to learn and understand is fine in theory. i unsubscribed to the users mailing lists of the projects I maintained, for good reason. I know I'm an asshole to certain segments of the population, who are usually those seeking support. i'd much rather the power users of the project handle its support, otherwise i'll alienate people. |
| 06:29.19 | kergoth | ah well |
| 06:30.01 | Depherios | wish the wow boards had some way to show how many posts you've made |
| 06:30.13 | Depherios | people who don't know the names don't realize how hard some of thepeople on the forums work |
| 06:30.21 | norganna | Cairenn: Infinite patience is fine while they are being polite. |
| 06:30.39 | Cairenn | notice I haven't responded again? |
| 06:30.47 | norganna | good girl :) |
| 06:31.16 | Beladona | I did |
| 06:31.23 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 06:33.50 | Beladona | Cair: come play wif me |
| 06:34.15 | Beladona | I am fighting level 25 mobs at 22, it gets very dangerous sometimes. I need my big strong hunter to protect me |
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| 06:34.28 | kergoth | Cairenn: i'll quote eric s raymond's "How to ask questions the smart way" article to help you understand my behavior, even if you dislike it and find it inappropriate, i'd like you to truly understand it. |
| 06:34.40 | kergoth | "What we are, unapologetically, is hostile to people who seem to be unwilling to think or to do their own homework before asking questions. People like that are time sinks — they take without giving back, they waste time we could have spent on another question more interesting and another person more worthy of an answer." |
| 06:35.11 | Depherios | Kergoth: which is why I'm not in web design help chatrooms anymore |
| 06:35.35 | Beladona | I thik most of us agree kergoth, we just tend to reserve that judgement AFTER we have tried to provide at least a little help |
| 06:35.37 | Depherios | it used to be "something is wrong figure out what" *posts link* now it's "how do I do this thing I can easily google?" |
| 06:35.50 | Beladona | we don't just immediately throw the manual at them\ |
| 06:36.21 | Beladona | I wouldn't have a job if I didn't like helping people who couldn't help themselves |
| 06:36.27 | Depherios | like I said, I reserve as to how easy the manual is to find, and read XD |
| 06:36.30 | Cairenn | "another person more worthy of an answer", see, that's where I disagree kergoth ... in *my* opinion, the regulars in this channel are by and large "worthy of an answer" |
| 06:36.41 | Cairenn | note my qualification |
| 06:36.45 | Cairenn | it's *my* opiniion |
| 06:36.52 | Depherios | in his channel, what about that forum XD |
| 06:36.53 | kergoth | Right. According to ESR, and myself, Time sinks are not. |
| 06:36.57 | kergoth | regardless of what channel they're in |
| 06:37.03 | Beladona | the difference here |
| 06:37.09 | Beladona | is what you consider a time sink |
| 06:37.17 | Beladona | versus what we do |
| 06:37.30 | Depherios | my time is cheap, lol |
| 06:37.45 | Beladona | hell even my definition is different than Cairenns |
| 06:37.52 | Beladona | no one views it exactly the same |
| 06:37.58 | norganna | I answer questions so I know what people are asking questions about. If enough people ask the same question, I write a FAQ |
| 06:38.01 | Cairenn | however, one of the precepts of this channel, of the wowi forums and the in-game guilds is that we request that everyone treat each other with *respect* |
| 06:38.10 | norganna | Which is what Cair has done in this case |
| 06:38.43 | norganna | Troble is these people are sub standard intelligence levels |
| 06:38.49 | Depherios | personally I think anybody who comes into this channel, probably already did their homework if they could... since this isn't the official forum XD |
| 06:38.51 | kergoth | I'll do my best to ignore time sinks and let them waste others time, rather than flaming them out of instinct in the future, at least in here. |
| 06:39.09 | norganna | Some people need pictures. |
| 06:39.18 | Beladona | kergoth |
| 06:39.20 | Beladona | do me a favor |
| 06:39.34 | Beladona | when you feel that someone is not worth your time |
| 06:39.37 | Beladona | just don't say anything |
| 06:39.39 | kergoth | .. |
| 06:39.41 | kergoth | are you not listening? |
| 06:39.45 | Beladona | tends to go better |
| 06:39.45 | kergoth | i just said thats what i'd do in the future. |
| 06:39.52 | Cairenn | aye, you did, and thank you |
| 06:40.18 | Beladona | and watch the respect also |
| 06:40.38 | Depherios | hey Cair... is treating others the way they treat me okay? XD |
| 06:40.52 | Depherios | because I'm automatically a jerk to jerks XD |
| 06:41.05 | norganna | Treat others how you would be treated :) |
| 06:41.11 | Depherios | not MEAN perse... I just don't treat them with "respect" |
| 06:41.14 | Tain | I pretty much hate everyone, is that ok? |
| 06:41.18 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:42.04 | Tain | Treat others the way you wish to be treated... |
| 06:42.07 | Depherios | the next time I see them.. respsect will resume, until they are otherwise XD |
| 06:42.10 | Tain | I'm sorry but I just can't give out that many blowjobs. |
| 06:42.17 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:42.41 | Tain | Lies. |
| 06:42.50 | Depherios | ... that wasn't sound |
| 06:43.31 | kergoth | My view is the other way around. I feel that respect is earned, not given. |
| 06:45.07 | Beladona | yeah see, that doesn't fly with me |
| 06:45.17 | Beladona | I was taught to respect everyone |
| 06:45.24 | Depherios | oh... I don't ACTUALLY respect them... I just treat them with respect XD |
| 06:45.38 | Beladona | yeah that is what I mean |
| 06:45.46 | futrtrubl | I don't respect or disrespect them till they earn either |
| 06:46.11 | futrtrubl | unfortunately, it's easy to earn my disrespect |
| 06:46.20 | kergoth | I also see a user asking questions without doing any research at all, not even a preliminary google, as a form of disrespect. Whether they realize it or not, they're saying that their own time is worth more than yours. |
| 06:46.30 | futrtrubl | cool, this windowed mode thing is useful ;'] |
| 06:46.36 | Beladona | the problem isn't how you feel about them |
| 06:46.40 | Beladona | its how you react |
| 06:46.50 | Depherios | :F |
| 06:47.11 | Beladona | there is always someone smarter than you |
| 06:47.13 | Beladona | remember that |
| 06:47.19 | Depherios | brb |
| 06:47.48 | futrtrubl | now, if only I could get game sounds when another window has focus, so I wouldn't get killed, or miss my auctioneer scan or a battleground |
| 06:47.58 | norganna | In the end, it's personal choice how you want to treat other people. My choice opts for a dicipline of being polite more for my own benefit as for theirs |
| 06:49.24 | Tain | Beat it some more. |
| 06:49.30 | Tain | It might like it. |
| 06:49.47 | Tain | You know what they say. |
| 06:49.58 | Tain | The masochist says, "Beat me!" |
| 06:50.06 | Tain | The sadist says, "No." |
| 06:50.12 | kergoth | Bela, intelligence has nothing to do with this. If someone is unwilling to even do any preliminary research before wasting people's time, they should be told to do some research. if they fail to do even that, they do not deserve to be treated respectfully. |
| 06:50.14 | kergoth | anyway, enough |
| 06:50.53 | norganna | Tain: who says "Yes"? |
| 06:51.24 | futrtrubl | I get the feeling that thread is a troll thread, it's too coordinated to not be |
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| 07:37.08 | futrtrubl | wb Cair |
| 07:37.38 | *** topic/#WoWI-lounge by Beladona -> This channel is for dev discussion only. Show respect to everyone in this channel, and offer help when it is asked for, or offer nothing at all. If you cannot abide by the request of the Ops, you will be removed and ultimately banned. No spamming the bot, and no bothering Slouken about work. Get along or GET OUT |
| 07:38.58 | kergoth | 'There have been hacker forums where, out of some misguided sense of hyper-courtesy, participants are banned from posting any fault-finding with another's posts, and told “Don't say anything if you're unwilling to help the user.” The resulting departure of clueful participants to elsewhere causes them to descend into meaningless babble and become useless as technical forums.' |
| 07:39.07 | kergoth | --ESR |
| 07:39.23 | Beladona | stop it Kergoth |
| 07:39.29 | Beladona | please |
| 07:39.48 | kergoth | I'm just curious about how long it'll take that to happen to WoWI. |
| 07:40.03 | Beladona | we are tired of the disrespect |
| 07:40.06 | Beladona | that is all |
| 07:40.07 | Depherios | it won't... you have to find fault... |
| 07:40.22 | Beladona | there is a respectful way, and a disrespectful way |
| 07:40.26 | Beladona | that is all I will say |
| 07:40.34 | Depherios | well put |
| 07:41.05 | Cairenn|afk | all of you, just stop it, okay? |
| 07:41.51 | Cairenn|afk | I'm fucking sorry that I god damn dared to ask people to try to get along and at least treat each other with some sort of common courtesy and respect and decency, I should have bloody well known better |
| 07:41.52 | Cairenn|afk | fuck it |
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| 07:42.30 | kergoth | I see no reason to further affiliate myself with a community that insists that people offer help when it is asked for, or to say nothing at all. I prefer communities that care about usefulness more than hyper-courtesy. |
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| 07:42.43 | Beladona | good riddance |
| 07:43.12 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.24 | Beladona | I am beyond tolerance at this point |
| 07:43.29 | Beladona | I read the log of what happened earlier |
| 07:43.32 | Beladona | and there is no excuse |
| 07:43.45 | Tem | This is all very frustrating |
| 07:43.58 | Tem | I have better things to do than sit around and read a bunch of drama |
| 07:44.01 | Tem | later everyone |
| 07:44.06 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=root@adsl-1-74-197.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 07:46.45 | pagefault | I like gnomes? |
| 07:56.20 | Depherios | lol |
| 07:56.40 | Beladona | I am sorry for the drama tonight everyone |
| 07:56.47 | pagefault | yay, now I can go ki... I mean be friend with them |
| 07:56.48 | Beladona | hopefully this wil never happen again |
| 07:56.52 | Kolth | I missed all of it. |
| 07:57.04 | Beladona | no you didn't miss it |
| 07:57.10 | Beladona | I wish I had |
| 07:57.22 | Kolth | No I didn't miss it, boggle? :P |
| 07:57.31 | Beladona | I mean you don't want to know |
| 07:57.38 | Kolth | oi :) |
| 07:57.56 | Kolth | Move out. |
| 07:58.02 | Kolth | There's nothing to see here. |
| 07:58.05 | Beladona | hehe |
| 08:02.40 | futrtrubl | damns.... this ain't good |
| 08:02.48 | Beladona | ? |
| 08:02.53 | Depherios | ???? |
| 08:03.10 | futrtrubl | people storming out of the chan |
| 08:03.17 | Depherios | oh |
| 08:03.21 | Depherios | welcome to the internet |
| 08:03.23 | Beladona | the cause of it is gone |
| 08:03.41 | Depherios | I've seen people throw tizzies over the stupidest things |
| 08:04.10 | Depherios | I saw a whole community go haywire over the background color of a forum... (not the part the text goes on, the LITTLE BIT around the edge of the page) |
| 08:04.32 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 08:05.20 | futrtrubl | well, I recoded my flash code for BEB, so tonight was profitable enough for me to justify some sleep |
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| 08:05.28 | Kolth | doh |
| 08:05.30 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:05.48 | futrtrubl | kolth fails |
| 08:06.00 | Kolth | Yeah, out of Cair Shards |
| 08:06.13 | futrtrubl | Cairenn: Imune. |
| 08:06.22 | Depherios | I lose at life! |
| 08:06.32 | Depherios | Do not pass go! |
| 08:06.33 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 08:06.38 | Depherios | Do not collect 100 dollars! |
| 08:07.13 | futrtrubl | 200 |
| 08:07.25 | Depherios | oop... 1 and 2 are too close together? |
| 08:07.32 | futrtrubl | riiiiiight |
| 08:07.43 | futrtrubl | good excuse |
| 08:07.53 | Depherios | actually... I think this one is right... I think it's my NORMAL keyboard that is funky |
| 08:08.32 | futrtrubl | well, Depherios, /msg me the options you want in your minimap mod |
| 08:08.41 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:09.13 | futrtrubl | and how many ring textures should be in it |
| 08:09.24 | Depherios | I was just going to say, I need to figure that out |
| 08:09.29 | Depherios | should we give them style options? |
| 08:09.31 | futrtrubl | then I can get down to actually coding it |
| 08:09.36 | Depherios | i.e. one is a ring, the other darkens the space outside of it |
| 08:10.12 | futrtrubl | that's easy Depherios, just 2 textures to be swapped |
| 08:10.31 | Depherios | yeah... okay... here's what I'll do right now... *runs off into the woods with tracking on* |
| 08:10.48 | futrtrubl | one a white ring the other would be solid white with a transparent circle in the middle |
| 08:11.02 | Depherios | bah for mining not being as good as herbalism (and I can't use hunter tracking skills because the targets move) |
| 08:11.02 | futrtrubl | alpha and color can be changed within the mod |
| 08:11.06 | Depherios | yeah |
| 08:11.21 | Depherios | need to see at what point the ring isn't needed |
| 08:11.34 | Depherios | I forogt to count :P and I'm too lazy to check my screens |
| 08:11.50 | futrtrubl | yup, and how much the minimap changes for each zoom lvl |
| 08:12.32 | Depherios | that won't be scale... we'll want to use err... I always want to call it clipping or masking... |
| 08:12.41 | futrtrubl | oh, for ring textures make sure the ring does not touch the edge of the texture file |
| 08:13.01 | Depherios | yeah |
| 08:13.18 | Depherios | curse your mod! I can't zoom in and out! |
| 08:13.24 | futrtrubl | that way I can replicate transparent pixels |
| 08:13.44 | Depherios | I wouldn't anyway... makes it harder to do alpha |
| 08:14.06 | Beladona | guys |
| 08:14.09 | futrtrubl | think of a good name.... and... test the incoming file for mousewheel correctness |
| 08:14.13 | Beladona | I am talking to Cair |
| 08:14.21 | futrtrubl | ? |
| 08:14.25 | Depherios | O_o |
| 08:15.08 | Beladona | she is pretty upset atm |
| 08:15.33 | futrtrubl | she looked it when she left |
| 08:16.15 | Kolth | Well, we can't help Cair feel happy. |
| 08:16.22 | Depherios | 'cept my GF and a few friends who I know I can just act goofy to cheer them up |
| 08:16.23 | Kolth | Unless she's in here :) |
| 08:16.32 | Depherios | ^_^ |
| 08:17.04 | Beladona | she is upset because she feels like this channel has let her down |
| 08:17.07 | futrtrubl | please tell her not to let one bad apple spoil what she created here |
| 08:17.14 | Beladona | she wanted this channel to be about sharing |
| 08:17.17 | Beladona | helping each other |
| 08:17.17 | Depherios | aww :P agreed |
| 08:17.22 | Depherios | we're here to help people |
| 08:17.27 | Beladona | and in the past month it has turned into complete shit |
| 08:17.35 | Depherios | wow |
| 08:17.36 | Depherios | this is SHIT? |
| 08:17.39 | Depherios | jesus |
| 08:17.43 | Beladona | not everything |
| 08:17.44 | Depherios | this place must have been UTOPIA before |
| 08:17.53 | Beladona | but there have been times when it just gets totally stupid in here |
| 08:18.03 | Depherios | this is the best, most civil place I've been online in freaking years :P |
| 08:18.10 | Kolth | I agree with Depherios. |
| 08:18.19 | futrtrubl | that's true Beladona |
| 08:18.35 | Beladona | Cair literally believes this channel was a mitake |
| 08:18.37 | Beladona | mistake* |
| 08:18.48 | Kolth | How can she feel that way? |
| 08:18.48 | Depherios | tell her it's fantastic... |
| 08:18.51 | Kolth | All she did was register it. |
| 08:18.55 | futrtrubl | we could have 2 chans going, a lounge for random chat and a dev chan for serious stuff |
| 08:19.04 | Beladona | because the point of it was to bring the community together |
| 08:19.12 | Kolth | And did it not do that, Bela? |
| 08:19.18 | Beladona | and times like what happened tonight makes it look like we aren't very together |
| 08:19.19 | Kolth | Freaking Slouken came here. |
| 08:19.22 | futrtrubl | I think it worked great |
| 08:19.23 | Depherios | Bela: I didn't know there WAS really a community before I was in here |
| 08:19.51 | Depherios | this really is a highly civil place |
| 08:19.55 | Depherios | the internet BREEDS dispute |
| 08:20.10 | Beladona | bear in mind this is what SHE feels right now |
| 08:20.17 | Beladona | she refuses to join the channel again |
| 08:20.46 | Kolth | I'm going to step out on a limb and say she's overreacting. |
| 08:21.12 | Depherios | well tell her what we're saying ^_^ -- tell her we love this place, and she did a fantastic thing, and is doing a wonderful job... That nothing is ever perfect, but this place is as close as I've seen... and not to give up on it because of a few problems |
| 08:21.23 | Kolth | People need to slowly learn to accept little from the Internet while still expecting and hoping for the best. |
| 08:23.06 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:23.14 | Depherios | that's a sad way to put it :P but likely true |
| 08:23.21 | Depherios | Honestly Kolth, I'd given up |
| 08:23.34 | Kolth | Well, find my true feelings in that statement. |
| 08:23.37 | Kolth | You _do_ hope for the best. |
| 08:23.49 | Beladona | you guys didn't read what we read |
| 08:23.50 | Kolth | But I can't be upset when people act horrible online. |
| 08:23.55 | Beladona | a log of another channel |
| 08:24.00 | Beladona | with 3 members of the community |
| 08:24.13 | Beladona | basically saying that making people ONLY help and not criticize is stupid |
| 08:24.20 | futrtrubl | ahhh, I thought there might have been more to it than I saw |
| 08:24.21 | Beladona | and that this channel is worthless to them |
| 08:24.33 | Beladona | she saw that and felt like it was the whole community speaking |
| 08:24.35 | Beladona | more or less |
| 08:24.35 | Depherios | ... what do you mean by "criticize?": |
| 08:24.42 | Depherios | there's such a thing as helpful critisizm O_o |
| 08:24.44 | Beladona | basically what kergoth does |
| 08:24.47 | Beladona | rtfm |
| 08:24.59 | Depherios | that's not "critisizm" that's being rude |
| 08:24.59 | Beladona | you are wasting my time if you can't look it up yourself first |
| 08:25.01 | Beladona | that kinda shit |
| 08:25.10 | Beladona | right |
| 08:25.15 | Beladona | using their words not mine |
| 08:25.23 | Depherios | I know |
| 08:25.25 | futrtrubl | yes, that is definately not the concensus of the comunity |
| 08:25.30 | Depherios | but it was causing ME confusion |
| 08:25.35 | Depherios | yes |
| 08:25.37 | Depherios | and if tehy feel that way |
| 08:25.48 | Depherios | we probably don't WANT them as part of this community D: as much as I hate to say it |
| 08:25.56 | Depherios | some people don't always belong :P |
| 08:26.02 | Beladona | thats is what I told her |
| 08:26.08 | Beladona | there were only 3 people in the conversation |
| 08:26.14 | Beladona | out of what? 100s of us? |
| 08:26.15 | Depherios | that's life... if they want to be trolls, they can go be trolls on the forum, and keep this chat helpful |
| 08:26.29 | futrtrubl | agreed Beladona |
| 08:26.36 | Depherios | yup |
| 08:26.44 | Kolth | Well, those three have a good point. |
| 08:26.58 | Kolth | Many people in this channel have no interest in WoW UI dev |
| 08:26.59 | Beladona | I jsut believe that if you want to be a community, you have to be prepared to share ideas, and help |
| 08:27.18 | Depherios | or keep quiet and let others help |
| 08:27.37 | Depherios | (if, that is, you want to be a jerk) |
| 08:27.52 | Depherios | -a jerk +disrespectful |
| 08:27.59 | Depherios | ^_^ |
| 08:28.08 | futrtrubl | Kolth, then those people can lurk all they want and maybe pick something up by osmosis ;'] |
| 08:30.16 | Kolth | futr: Definitely. |
| 08:30.23 | Kolth | Ask questions. Paste code. |
| 08:30.30 | Kolth | Which does happen. |
| 08:30.35 | Beladona | I don't mind if people sit in this channel, and not provide any input |
| 08:30.51 | Depherios | that's why I'm in here... osmosis ^_^ I just can't keep my big mouth shut |
| 08:30.55 | Beladona | what bothers me is when someone flames someone else because "they didn't go look it up" |
| 08:31.06 | futrtrubl | this has happened at a damned inconvenient time. I do not what this chan to fail, and I do not want Cair to be disheartened and leave us. But I also do not want to fall off my chair with tireedness |
| 08:31.09 | Kolth | Bela: Use your operator privs, fixed |
| 08:31.11 | Beladona | if someone needs help, and I know the answer |
| 08:31.13 | Beladona | I give it |
| 08:31.15 | Beladona | period |
| 08:31.46 | Depherios | failing all else... moderate the channel *i.e. +m |
| 08:31.53 | Gryphon | you cant have an irc channel and expect there to be no conflict at all |
| 08:32.02 | Gryphon | unreasonable expectation |
| 08:32.10 | futrtrubl | flaming a person has no excuse, but you can point them to where they can find the info |
| 08:32.12 | Depherios | you can't do ANYTHING online |
| 08:32.17 | Depherios | and expect there to be no conflict at all |
| 08:32.44 | futrtrubl | Gryphon, the reason Fandom Wank was born ;'] |
| 08:37.24 | futrtrubl | damn, I really have to go to bed. Beladona, you have my full support in anything you say to bring Cair back. Realise that I say that not just to get her back but because I do agree with you wholeheartedly |
| 08:37.44 | futrtrubl | g'night all |
| 08:37.47 | Kolth | Night futrtrubl |
| 08:37.56 | Depherios | g'night |
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| 09:08.27 | norganna | :) |
| 09:14.06 | Bela|SLEEP | night all |
| 09:14.13 | Depherios | G'night |
| 09:14.17 | Kolth | Night |
| 09:15.15 | norganna | nite |
| 09:16.58 | Cairenn|afk | for those of you still here, and that were here earlier ... my apologies for my language, my attitude and my abrupt departure ... go with the quick and easy excuse of "hysterical female" ... I'll try to be better in the future |
| 09:17.14 | Cairenn|afk | and I too should try to get some sleep |
| 09:17.19 | Kolth | Heyas Cairenn. |
| 09:17.25 | pagefault | what is this sleep you speak of |
| 09:17.36 | Depherios | ... sleep... :F |
| 09:17.43 | Depherios | G'night... |
| 09:17.51 | pagefault | night |
| 09:17.59 | Kolth | and goodnight :) |
| 09:18.21 | norganna | Cair: you were behaving well... you just got a little upset... understandably imho. |
| 09:18.23 | norganna | nite |
| 09:19.01 | Depherios | ..that was nothing to apologize about... admirable behavior if I do say so myself... wish I could emulate it |
| 09:19.06 | pagefault | night |
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| 09:24.02 | Elkano | Good whatever :) |
| 09:24.41 | Kolth | Evening :) |
| 09:24.47 | Kolth | Hello |
| 09:24.56 | Cairenn|sleep | morning, early ;) |
| 09:25.08 | Elkano | well, for me it's morning, about 10:30am :) |
| 09:25.29 | Cairenn|sleep | oh damn, kolth's gonna do that whole cair|sleep thing again, gotta stop giving myself away like this ;) |
| 09:25.54 | Kolth | The whole what thing? |
| 09:25.58 | Kolth | oh |
| 09:26.04 | Kolth | Where I suffix your mode messages. |
| 09:26.15 | Cairenn|sleep | ~cair|sleep |
| 09:26.16 | purl | somebody said cair|sleep was supposed to be sleeping! |
| 09:26.23 | Cairenn|sleep | that one :p |
| 09:26.29 | Kolth | I've done that before? |
| 09:26.48 | Cairenn|sleep | meh, someone does it to me all the time ;) |
| 09:26.52 | Kolth | Oh, I've never. |
| 09:27.00 | Cairenn|sleep | Elkano: the joys of the internet :) |
| 09:27.11 | norganna | no, purl, cair|sleep is still awake |
| 09:27.42 | Cairenn|sleep | people from all around the world, lots of different time zones |
| 09:28.15 | Cairenn|sleep | norganna: it's like this ... purl, no, cair|sleep is <reply> whatever ... or, purl, no, cair|sleep is <action> whatever |
| 09:28.17 | Elkano | and just found bad news for me -> http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:API_GetItemInfo |
| 09:28.21 | Kolth | Does WoW send _who_ threw a Snowball at you? |
| 09:28.27 | Elkano | GetItemInfo seems to be not linksafe :( |
| 09:28.35 | norganna | different from mine :( |
| 09:29.33 | Cairenn|sleep | Kolth: actually, I think it's Kalroth (sp?) that does that too me all the time .... sorry ... stop having names so similar! ;) |
| 09:29.42 | norganna | kolth - you doing something to tell who throws snowballs? |
| 09:29.43 | Kolth | ahh |
| 09:29.51 | Kolth | norg: Thinking about it |
| 09:30.11 | norganna | it makes me angry when i'm in an instance drinking and someone throws a snowball |
| 09:30.16 | Depherios | lol |
| 09:30.17 | Kolth | Cair, funny you say that, we've actually been in the same circle of friends for about 7 years now. |
| 09:30.25 | norganna | it interrupts the drinking |
| 09:30.43 | Depherios | they do it to me dueling constantly |
| 09:30.51 | Depherios | finish a duel, try to drink |
| 09:31.00 | Cairenn|sleep | Elkano: while I'm no good at the whole wow coding stuff, there are many in this channel that are, and if you explain what it is that you are trying to accomplish, hopefully someone will be able (and willing) to try to help you out |
| 09:31.11 | norganna | that water's not cheap either |
| 09:33.09 | norganna | Elkano: what's up? |
| 09:33.47 | Cairenn|sleep | Elkano: just please recognize that while there are a ton of devs hanging out in the channel at any given time, it isn't perforce a "help" channel ... it's more intended as somewhere that devs can come hang out, chill out, learn from each other if they want to, etc ... and that any help they are willing to give is done so voluntarily, not by obligation |
| 09:34.01 | Elkano | well, Cairenn, I don't know if you followed the discussion we had here abou 12-13h ago. We were wondering if it's safe to link an item you only know from via GetItemInfo or if you have to make sure that the item is known by the server. With other words wether your client's item database is syncronized with the server's. |
| 09:34.30 | Depherios | link a bad item, you crash wow... AFAIK |
| 09:34.46 | Elkano | well, you won't crash but the server will dc you |
| 09:35.06 | Depherios | kill crash dc same thing, cept one way my saved variables get dumped |
| 09:35.06 | Bela|SLEEP | guess I am not the only person that didn't go to bed yet |
| 09:35.09 | Cairenn|sleep | Depherios: not currently *completely* accurate, see the whole 'spoofing' links thing ... however, that ability is going poof in 1.10 |
| 09:35.10 | Bela|SLEEP | 0.o |
| 09:35.27 | Bela|SLEEP | had to get my corpse in wow |
| 09:35.34 | Depherios | 'spoofing' is different isn't it? -- since it leaves the original item it's linking to intact? |
| 09:35.36 | Bela|SLEEP | and then I had to turn ina couple quests |
| 09:35.44 | Bela|SLEEP | and then I had to make some armor |
| 09:35.47 | Bela|SLEEP | and then... |
| 09:35.49 | Depherios | lol |
| 09:35.51 | Bela|SLEEP | I will stop |
| 09:36.01 | Cairenn|sleep | ;) |
| 09:36.36 | Bela|SLEEP | ok bed for real |
| 09:36.44 | Depherios | G'night... again |
| 09:36.48 | Bela|SLEEP | oops |
| 09:36.58 | Elkano | gnight beladona :) |
| 09:41.32 | Elkano | Cairenn, what exactly 'is going poof'? Did I miss sth? |
| 09:42.48 | Cairenn|sleep | by going poof I mean that the folks in this channel were able to jointly figure out firstly how to spoof links, and from there how to fix it so that it can't be done, thus passing along the info to the devs at Blizzard so that they can prevent it from continuing |
| 09:43.51 | Cairenn|sleep | so, the ability to do so will go "poof" ... all gone |
| 09:44.08 | Depherios | hopefully before anybody really notices it exsists |
| 09:44.12 | Elkano | so you were able to make WoW send invalid links to other clients? Good to know it will be fixed :) |
| 09:44.13 | Cairenn|sleep | yay for expressions |
| 09:44.38 | Cairenn|sleep | aye and aye :) |
| 09:45.11 | Cairenn|sleep | Depherios: unfortunately, all too many are figuring out how to do it, and are exploiting it instead of just getting giggles out of it |
| 09:45.16 | Cairenn|sleep | thus Blizz shutting it down |
| 09:45.20 | Elkano | (I'm not a native English speaker so I sth have problems with some expresions... but ther's always a leo.dict.org ;) ) |
| 09:45.50 | Cairenn|sleep | Elkano: aye, understood, which is why I tried to explain the expression |
| 09:46.47 | Cairenn|sleep | anyway, all of that being somewhat off track from what you were asking |
| 09:47.11 | Cairenn|sleep | so I'll bow out now and let those that understand this stuff better than I help you out if they can :) |
| 09:47.24 | Cairenn|sleep | and on that note, I really am going to go try to sleep now |
| 09:47.31 | Elkano | well, the addon I'm coding is this: http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=itemdbpreview24mv.jpg |
| 09:47.38 | Elkano | well, good night then :) |
| 09:47.56 | Kolth | Elkano, local item database with an AH interface? |
| 09:47.56 | Cairenn|sleep | good - night/morning/afternoon/evening - all :) |
| 09:48.11 | Elkano | yes Kolth :) |
| 09:48.16 | Kolth | Very nice, Elk! |
| 09:49.56 | Elkano | and it's working fine up to now, but since GetItemInfo isn't linksafe, I'll have to track known items for the session for linking... (I was already doing so, but so said yesterday I wouldn't have to. unfortunatly it seems not to be true :( ) |
| 09:50.08 | norganna | Elkano: to be clear, the answer to your question is "No, just because GetItemInfo returns results does not mean it is safe to inspect the item via the server" |
| 09:52.08 | norganna | The local cache gets cleared every patch, the server cache gets cleared every patch and every server restart. |
| 09:52.53 | norganna | Therefore, since the local cache doesn't get cleared every restart, it is possible to have items that are in the local cache that the server does not know of. |
| 09:54.02 | norganna | If the server gets asked by a client for an item that it does not have cached, it will disconnect the client. |
| 09:54.07 | MoonWolf | there should be a islinksave() function |
| 09:54.44 | norganna | MoonWolf: unfortunatly, the reason for the disconnects is to stop (or make it very hard) for data mining to take place |
| 09:55.02 | norganna | the existance of such a function would negate this effect |
| 09:55.07 | Depherios | ... I am lost |
| 09:55.31 | Depherios | is there a discernable difference between Minimap_ZoomIn(), Minimap_ZoomInClick() and MinimapZoomIn:Click()? |
| 09:55.52 | Depherios | Minimap_ZoomIn() just calls MinimapZoomIn:click() |
| 09:56.09 | norganna | heheh - i would imagine that one is called by the other called by the third |
| 09:56.17 | Depherios | no |
| 09:56.30 | Depherios | Minimap_ZoomInClick() is used by the buttons |
| 09:56.38 | Depherios | and has all this complex junk |
| 09:56.46 | Depherios | to grey them out and such |
| 09:57.01 | Depherios | yet using MinimapZoomIn:Click() does the same thing, but that's inernal isn't it? |
| 09:57.31 | Depherios | oh well... |
| 09:57.38 | Kolth | That should only be called from an actual mouseclick I imagine. |
| 09:57.39 | norganna | I would imagine that Click() is a Button handler |
| 09:57.58 | Depherios | well Minimap_ZoomIn() I'm assuming is for the bindings (I haven't checked yet) |
| 09:58.01 | norganna | it fires the OnClick part in the frame XML |
| 09:58.09 | Depherios | but it just calls MinimapZoomIn:Click() XD |
| 09:58.13 | Kolth | Deph: Look at MinimapZoom from Cosmos. |
| 09:58.31 | Depherios | heh, looking at EasyZoom, MinimapZoom, and the default FrameXML |
| 09:58.35 | Depherios | everybody does it their own way |
| 09:58.36 | Kolth | oi |
| 09:58.40 | Kolth | What are you trying to do? |
| 09:58.42 | Depherios | but those three |
| 09:58.43 | Kolth | (in the end) |
| 09:58.46 | Depherios | are all default blizz |
| 09:59.38 | Depherios | Make a ring/area on the minimap show where tracking occurs (or is going to occur if everything is hunkey dory) |
| 09:59.45 | Depherios | really |
| 09:59.46 | Kolth | oi |
| 09:59.50 | Kolth | Seen another addon taht does that? |
| 09:59.51 | Depherios | it doesn't matter which is called |
| 09:59.53 | Depherios | they all do the same thing |
| 09:59.54 | Depherios | yeah |
| 10:00.00 | Depherios | but it doesn't change based on zoom |
| 10:00.04 | Kolth | Ah. |
| 10:00.08 | Depherios | and it's broken |
| 10:00.17 | Depherios | and coded poorly enough even *I* can tell it's coded poorly |
| 10:00.27 | Kolth | Well, I'm going to step out of my place and say that you should probbaly follow whatever MinimapZoom tells you to do. |
| 10:00.32 | Depherios | heh |
| 10:00.45 | Depherios | futr is doing most of the coding... I'm just doing researching myself for kicks |
| 10:00.49 | Kolth | Rather, use Anduin's approach |
| 10:01.01 | Depherios | best to do that anyway, since lots of people will have minimapzoom |
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| 10:24.48 | MoonWolf | lalalal... talk people i am bored |
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| 10:30.54 | Elkano | ok, beta-released my addon on wowi :) now going to post a thread :) |
| 10:33.26 | MoonWolf | link |
| 10:34.39 | Elkano | forum: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12431#post12431 download: pending for beeing accepted by admins |
| 10:37.13 | Depherios | typo in: better traking of linkable items (atm only caching links from chat) |
| 10:37.24 | Depherios | ditto: distibuting valid links to other players using the addon |
| 10:38.21 | Depherios | ditto WARRANTY |
| 10:38.31 | Depherios | (right with two Rs) |
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| 10:39.46 | Depherios | the server hates me XD |
| 10:40.02 | Depherios | it was all NO you can't be a grammar/spelling nazi! *boots* |
| 10:43.32 | Elkano | and I can't wait to get feedback :) |
| 10:52.24 | Elkano | I just noticed I forgot to mention the most important part: how to use it ^^' |
| 10:53.06 | Depherios | heh... I don't need to worry about that... but yeah, lol |
| 10:53.52 | Depherios | yay! my lackluster coding skills are worth something XD I don't need instructions! (but they help XD) |
| 10:55.19 | Elkano | well, I updated the forum post, the rest will follow when it's accepted :) |
| 10:55.40 | Elkano | there isn't that much to explain anyways :) |
| 10:55.50 | Depherios | one slash command? XD |
| 10:56.01 | Depherios | or are you adding a MINIMAP BUTTON *glares* |
| 10:56.09 | Depherios | XD |
| 10:56.29 | Elkano | one slash command for opening and one shift-click option for one of the buttons |
| 10:56.49 | Depherios | ahh |
| 10:57.21 | Elkano | minimap button... hmm... maybe, but it's already so crowded :( and I would have to do an options screen and moe localization ;) |
| 10:57.30 | Depherios | XD |
| 11:01.25 | MoonWolf | you hijacked the auctionframe for it ? |
| 11:02.15 | MoonWolf | I hide all minimap buttons on site |
| 11:02.20 | MoonWolf | sight* |
| 11:02.35 | Depherios | ditto... especially now that my minimap is a beautiful square ^_^ |
| 11:02.46 | MoonWolf | hha |
| 11:03.05 | MoonWolf | i also intend to kill the first person who thought that adding extra buttons to the minimap was usefulll |
| 11:03.16 | MoonWolf | i think its a comsos guy but im not totally sure. |
| 11:03.16 | Elkano | nope, I've only copied and modified it's code |
| 11:03.54 | Depherios | it is useful to people who hate slash |
| 11:04.35 | Elkano | well, would be nice if TitanModMenu would autodetect slash commands ;) |
| 11:04.50 | Depherios | ... somebody made a slash command auto detector |
| 11:04.59 | Depherios | ... there needs to be some conversing here |
| 11:05.30 | Depherios | ... I forgot about mod menu, I made my own, for the addons I can never remember the slash commands to (like monkeyquest) what is it... summon and dismiss or something? |
| 11:05.44 | Depherios | call? dismiss? -- I forget |
| 11:09.54 | Elkano | well, I'm still stuck to blizzard's tracker ^^' |
| 11:10.06 | Depherios | ? |
| 11:11.14 | Elkano | I'm not using monkeyquest (but I think I had been using it before... not 100% sure) |
| 11:12.06 | Depherios | blizz' nice, but doesn't stick, and doesn't give overviews, and I can't click quests to open the window |
| 11:12.15 | Depherios | (stick meaning save per sessino) |
| 11:12.21 | Depherios | session* |
| 11:12.27 | Depherios | getting late... typing skills... fading |
| 11:14.48 | Elkano | well, I didn't need any of these, yet. although they might be usefull to some players :) |
| 11:27.55 | Elkano | well, I'll be afk for lunch and then off for this afternoon. back in 6-8h I suppose. Maybe you'll find the addon earlyer undr beta-dl :) |
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| 12:44.43 | Malivil | hmm |
| 12:47.07 | Kolth | :) |
| 12:49.32 | Malivil | Can anyone tell me why my macro wont cancel STealth? |
| 12:49.37 | Malivil | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 12:49.37 | Malivil | [07:06] * MoonWolf has joined #wow |
| 12:49.39 | Kolth | Oh wow. |
| 12:49.40 | Malivil | WHOA |
| 12:49.44 | Malivil | where did that come from |
| 12:49.46 | Kolth | I just read your thread. |
| 12:49.51 | Malivil | hahaha |
| 12:49.56 | Malivil | perfect timing |
| 12:50.12 | Kolth | So it did work |
| 12:50.14 | Kolth | Then stopped? |
| 12:50.16 | Malivil | Yea |
| 12:50.17 | Malivil | It's weird |
| 12:50.23 | Kolth | So then it either never worked or you changed it. |
| 12:50.25 | Malivil | no errors or anything |
| 12:50.45 | Malivil | i logged in last night, put in the macro he wrote and then tried it |
| 12:50.50 | Malivil | It worked and then i logged out |
| 12:50.56 | Malivil | Logged back in this morning and now it wont work |
| 12:51.03 | Kolth | k, few seconds |
| 12:51.56 | Malivil | i changed it back to the original thing he edited |
| 12:52.16 | Malivil | 1 sec |
| 12:53.09 | Malivil | I edited the post to the exact macro i had + what he changed |
| 12:55.22 | Kolth | Yeah, as I thought... |
| 12:55.36 | Kolth | I'm fairly certain IsBuffActive is not part of the Blizzard API |
| 12:55.53 | Malivil | It isn't |
| 12:56.02 | Malivil | It uses a small library by the person that posted |
| 12:56.07 | Kolth | Do you have the addon installed that provides for that funtion |
| 12:56.09 | Kolth | OKay. |
| 12:56.09 | Malivil | that adds that funciton |
| 12:56.16 | Malivil | *function |
| 12:56.20 | Malivil | Yea, i got it after he posted |
| 12:57.03 | Kolth | So you want Shapeshift-based weapon swapping? |
| 12:57.11 | Malivil | Yea |
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| 12:57.18 | Malivil | It swaps weapons |
| 12:57.20 | Malivil | And stealths |
| 12:57.22 | Kolth | 100% of the time? |
| 12:57.24 | Malivil | But it wont unstealth |
| 12:57.28 | Kolth | or do you want it to only work some times? |
| 12:57.41 | Malivil | everytime |
| 12:57.44 | Malivil | I'm a dagger rogue |
| 12:57.55 | Kolth | Okay, this is much better done as an AddOn than a macro. |
| 12:58.00 | Kolth | Let me find you the UI mod you want. |
| 12:58.04 | Malivil | ok |
| 12:59.54 | Kolth | This should still be good... |
| 13:00.00 | Kolth | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2617 |
| 13:00.52 | Malivil | thats for druids and shamans |
| 13:00.58 | Kolth | And Rogues |
| 13:01.15 | Kolth | Warriors, Paladins.. etc |
| 13:02.44 | Malivil | k |
| 13:02.46 | Malivil | ill try it out |
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| 13:05.37 | BO|Razag | lo all |
| 13:05.42 | Malivil | its not working |
| 13:05.42 | Kolth | Hello! |
| 13:06.02 | Kolth | Malivil, it's not swapping weapons? |
| 13:06.33 | Malivil | Its swapping them when i stealth |
| 13:06.38 | Malivil | but not when i unstealth |
| 13:06.51 | Kolth | You've set both sets? |
| 13:07.28 | Malivil | nvm |
| 13:07.35 | Malivil | Had to check the "equip first on active" box |
| 13:07.37 | Malivil | Whatever that means |
| 13:07.43 | Malivil | works now |
| 13:07.47 | Kolth | Yeah, who knows :) |
| 13:07.49 | Malivil | =-P |
| 13:08.31 | Malivil | works perfectly now |
| 13:08.32 | Malivil | Thanks! |
| 13:08.40 | Kolth | You're welcome. |
| 13:08.47 | Kolth | Good work coming in here :) |
| 13:09.46 | Malivil | I usually hang out here every now and then |
| 13:10.04 | BO|Razag | how can i sort tables like t={"a"=2, "b"=1} |
| 13:10.19 | BO|Razag | by the numbers i mean not alphabetical |
| 13:10.45 | Kolth | Duplicate something like quicksort |
| 13:11.10 | BO|Razag | whats quicksort |
| 13:11.48 | Kolth | Ermp, use table.sort(table); |
| 13:12.06 | BO|Razag | well thats not really working kolth |
| 13:12.11 | Kolth | Howso? |
| 13:12.24 | BO|Razag | that will sort me "a" before "b" but not 1 before 2 |
| 13:13.34 | Kolth | Are you certain? |
| 13:13.40 | BO|Razag | not really |
| 13:13.52 | Kolth | And why are you defining custom keys? |
| 13:14.08 | BO|Razag | as i couldnt check it by t[1] |
| 13:14.17 | BO|Razag | that was always nil somehow |
| 13:14.43 | BO|Razag | well in my addon i got tables like threat.target.playername |
| 13:14.52 | BO|Razag | which works great if i dont want to sort it |
| 13:17.30 | Kolth | Well, I'm not sure if I can help more then. |
| 13:17.34 | Kolth | Feel free to paste broken code. |
| 13:17.57 | BO|Razag | well my first problem is to get the first custom key really |
| 13:18.17 | BO|Razag | because t[1] is nil, not "a" or 2 |
| 13:19.05 | Kolth | t["a"] is 2 |
| 13:19.09 | BO|Razag | t.a is 2 ofc, but then i need the name of the first element |
| 13:19.33 | BO|Razag | i want to get the first element without the need of a name if possible |
| 13:21.08 | Kolth | I think you want to use a numerical array rather than a dictionary. |
| 13:21.52 | BO|Razag | hm but if i only got a numerical array how do i know which value belongs to whom |
| 13:22.11 | Kolth | Explain your data again please? |
| 13:22.22 | BO|Razag | ok i read out the combat log |
| 13:22.35 | BO|Razag | and i get values for a target for a player |
| 13:22.52 | BO|Razag | like "kolth, 600, killerbunny" |
| 13:22.58 | Kolth | roger |
| 13:23.15 | BO|Razag | and i want to store them for alot of ppl |
| 13:23.39 | Kolth | That's it? |
| 13:23.47 | BO|Razag | well some math afterwards yeah |
| 13:23.51 | Kolth | k |
| 13:23.58 | Kolth | You want a multi-dimensional array |
| 13:24.10 | BO|Razag | uh sounds trekki |
| 13:24.13 | Kolth | nah |
| 13:24.16 | Kolth | Ever used SQL? |
| 13:24.21 | BO|Razag | nope |
| 13:24.29 | Kolth | Excel? :) |
| 13:24.38 | BO|Razag | not much |
| 13:25.00 | BO|Razag | but i guess ill read up on it then |
| 13:25.10 | Kolth | This should be fairly easy. |
| 13:25.45 | Kolth | Sorry, typing in a few other windows :) |
| 13:25.56 | Kolth | So you're setting up an array of arrays. |
| 13:26.42 | Kolth | One kind of array will store: Player's name, action name, and action value |
| 13:27.00 | Kolth | And the other arrays stores those. |
| 13:27.13 | Kolth | Erp, the other array stores that array. |
| 13:28.35 | BO|Razag | ok arrays are tables in lua or how do they look |
| 13:28.54 | Kolth | Let just write something up |
| 13:31.03 | Kolth | http://wow.pastebin.com/467745 |
| 13:33.12 | BO|Razag | ok and if i repeat that for a different player and different values it creates a new "row" then |
| 13:33.39 | Kolth | yep. |
| 13:33.50 | BO|Razag | how can i access the whole data set then |
| 13:33.53 | Kolth | table.insert appends unless you tell it where to insert (which I didn't) |
| 13:34.18 | BO|Razag | like if i want to add smth to the value if player and action matches |
| 13:34.52 | Kolth | modify an action or a value? |
| 13:34.56 | BO|Razag | value |
| 13:35.17 | BO|Razag | lets call action a target maybe youll get my meaning then :P |
| 13:35.22 | Kolth | Is a single player only ever going to have one entry? |
| 13:35.27 | BO|Razag | nope |
| 13:35.29 | Kolth | or can one player have many |
| 13:35.42 | BO|Razag | player can have multiple targets with only one value each |
| 13:35.46 | Kolth | k |
| 13:35.58 | Kolth | I would say you would iterate over the table with a foreach loop |
| 13:38.29 | BO|Razag | can i do smth like t = datatable[1] and then i get a table with the 3 values |
| 13:38.54 | Kolth | That seems reasonable. |
| 13:39.36 | Kolth | Don't know what LUA will do with assigning a non-initialized variable a table without a precursory 'name={};' |
| 13:39.50 | BO|Razag | well i can do that before np |
| 13:39.58 | Kolth | ah, then yeah :P |
| 13:40.42 | BO|Razag | btw tables give me a headache :P |
| 13:41.04 | Kolth | You can't write anything good without 'em! :) |
| 13:41.11 | BO|Razag | i know, thats the problem |
| 13:41.42 | Kolth | Think of 'em like file cabinets. |
| 13:41.43 | BO|Razag | storing, sorting and retrieving data is the only major thing for me to implement |
| 13:42.04 | Kolth | But I must think of sleep! |
| 13:42.11 | Kolth | Good luck with the AddOn. |
| 13:42.13 | BO|Razag | thnx |
| 13:42.22 | Kolth | Feel free to msg me with Qs |
| 13:42.28 | BO|Razag | thnx for your help |
| 13:46.56 | Malivil | Hmmm |
| 13:47.12 | Malivil | Is it possible to detect if a certain weapon or type of weapon is equiped in a macro? |
| 13:47.16 | Malivil | Or small addon perhaps |
| 13:48.02 | Malivil | Wait |
| 13:48.21 | Malivil | Does the IsUseableAction account for the right weapon type? |
| 13:48.36 | Malivil | Because techinically the action isn't usable unless you have the right weapon equipped |
| 13:50.27 | Malivil | What i'm trying to do (There may be an easier way, please tell me if there is) is to use Backstab if my dagger is equipped, and if it isn't equip my dagger and then do backstab |
| 13:52.36 | norganna | hi |
| 13:52.48 | BO|Razag | you could wait a day and ask rasmuskl to give you his addon |
| 13:52.55 | norganna | Kinda sounds like you want an equipping macro |
| 13:52.59 | BO|Razag | im not sure if he posted it |
| 13:53.01 | norganna | er addon |
| 13:53.19 | BO|Razag | he changed mountme for his rogue alt |
| 13:53.29 | BO|Razag | ill see if he posted smth in the ace forums |
| 13:54.21 | BO|Razag | hm cant find it |
| 13:54.30 | norganna | I know of one at http://capnbry.net/wow/ called Weapon Quick Swap... its a bit old now tho |
| 13:54.33 | BO|Razag | ill ask hiim next time i see him, it does exactly what you want |
| 13:56.59 | Malivil | ok, cool |
| 13:57.02 | Malivil | Thanks for the info |
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| 16:49.18 | Beladona | morning |
| 17:09.29 | Cide | morning |
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| 17:13.36 | cladhaire | Morning/afternoon all |
| 17:13.57 | Cide | afternoon |
| 17:17.37 | cladhaire | (its awfully quiet this morning) =) How is everyone doing? |
| 17:18.23 | Beladona | hehe |
| 17:22.01 | Cide | coding php! |
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| 17:42.56 | kremonte | gg wake up calls, i hear sirens flaring and i think someone has been murdered, and its santa riding down while its 55 degrees outsidfe |
| 17:43.28 | Beladona | lol |
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| 17:56.20 | Elkano | Beladona -> http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4418 :) |
| 17:58.27 | kremonte | hm, there's no double-author to a mod on wowi? >< |
| 17:58.39 | kremonte | ooh, nice elkano |
| 18:05.04 | Beladona | awesome Elkano |
| 18:05.07 | Beladona | downloading now |
| 18:05.28 | Beladona | kremonte, not atm |
| 18:05.31 | Beladona | but stay tuned |
| 18:05.44 | kremonte | ah okay |
| 18:05.45 | Elkano | just assembled a postable beta today in order to thank you for your work ;) |
| 18:05.56 | kremonte | have another beta of panda ready but guil has mod on it |
| 18:06.15 | Beladona | did he enable patch uploads for it? |
| 18:06.37 | kremonte | i'm not sure, never done that |
| 18:06.48 | Tain | It's set by default when you upload, I believe. |
| 18:07.00 | Tain | So unless he unchecked it it should be on. |
| 18:07.16 | Beladona | it is enabled |
| 18:07.29 | Beladona | it should be 2 small links just above the image |
| 18:08.21 | Beladona | I can edit the file also, but I don't think I can set the author |
| 18:08.28 | Beladona | and I am afraid if I edit it, I will become the author |
| 18:08.45 | Elkano | I think I'll keep the addon wowi exclusive for a while until I get some of the other features done and got some feedback from you guys :) |
| 18:16.37 | kremonte | ok, updated panda |
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| 18:20.38 | Cairenn | approved |
| 18:20.47 | kremonte | <3thanks |
| 18:21.10 | Elkano | nad thanks for approving mine (if it was you :) ) |
| 18:21.21 | Cairenn | nope, that one was Bela, I was still out cold |
| 18:22.25 | Elkano | but I hope you like it, too :) |
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| 18:28.25 | Osagasu | How long was the network down yesterday? |
| 18:30.47 | Elkano | irc.freenode.net was fixed about 7-8h ago... chat.freenode.net was (still?) working yesterday |
| 18:33.51 | GenNMX | Cair: What was wrong with my VitalWatch submission to WoWInterface? |
| 18:34.13 | Cairenn | registered? screenshot included? |
| 18:34.38 | GenNMX | Yes, and "No Picture" screenshot (since it doesn't change the UI) |
| 18:34.48 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 18:34.54 | Cairenn | what message are you getting? |
| 18:35.14 | GenNMX | If I had an Addon, it would show up in User CP, right? |
| 18:35.30 | Cairenn | it should, yes |
| 18:35.49 | Cairenn | what is your user name at the site? |
| 18:35.51 | GenNMX | Yeah, I got no email reply, and no private message |
| 18:35.54 | GenNMX | Thrae |
| 18:36.10 | Cairenn | you should be able to edit, I'm sitting here looking at it |
| 18:36.29 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4394 |
| 18:36.38 | Cairenn | use the "edit" option |
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| 18:37.19 | Cairenn | Download/How To Install/Pictures-EditFile-Comment |
| 18:37.32 | GenNMX | Ah OK good...guess I'll have to add it to my favorites myself |
| 18:37.45 | Cairenn | noooo |
| 18:37.50 | Cairenn | go to front page |
| 18:37.55 | Cairenn | look on right side menu |
| 18:38.14 | Cairenn | Home/Forums/Downloads/FAQ/*Upload & Update* |
| 18:38.14 | GenNMX | OK, and? |
| 18:38.49 | Cairenn | all your mods should be listed there for easy editting |
| 18:39.06 | GenNMX | Ahhh, OK, you mean the left-hand menu |
| 18:39.06 | Cairenn | or the option right below it, "List My Interfaces" |
| 18:39.08 | GenNMX | Yeah I see it now |
| 18:39.18 | Cairenn | yeah, that right hand side ;) |
| 18:39.32 | Cairenn | sorry, still waking up and somewhat dyslexic atm ;) |
| 18:39.33 | GenNMX | I thought the main menu would change to show I've been approved, or I would get some type of notification |
| 18:39.37 | GenNMX | heh |
| 18:41.01 | GenNMX | Hmm, looks like I'll need to replace the file I uploaded with an old version, then replace it again with the new version, so I can have archives |
| 18:41.16 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 18:41.39 | GenNMX | The old version is non-Ace'd, the new versions require Ace |
| 18:42.11 | Cairenn | ah, and you've only uploaded the most recent to WoWI, yes? |
| 18:42.17 | GenNMX | right |
| 18:42.22 | Cairenn | gotcha now |
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| 18:42.48 | GenNMX | Sorry for the confusion, thanks |
| 18:43.14 | Cairenn | so you are wanting to carry over your old versions from (wherever) to have the record on WoWI as well |
| 18:43.26 | Cairenn | (just making sure I'm understanding correctly) |
| 18:43.44 | GenNMX | right, just 1 old version, the latest non-Ace'd |
| 18:44.52 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 18:46.16 | GenNMX | OK, can you approve that old version, so I can reload the newest version? I'll delete the new version in archives |
| 18:46.44 | Cairenn | done |
| 18:48.55 | Beladona | weee |
| 18:49.06 | Beladona | sorry for not answering if anyone needed me, I was showering |
| 18:49.17 | Cairenn | webcam? |
| 18:49.23 | Cairenn | *snicker* |
| 18:49.35 | GenNMX | Cairenn: OK, is it in pending again? Or is there some type of flood limit? |
| 18:49.45 | GenNMX | Since I don't see it listed as Pending |
| 18:49.46 | Cairenn | pending, we approve every time |
| 18:49.57 | Cairenn | actually, no, it isn't |
| 18:50.02 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 18:50.19 | Cairenn | hang on, which version are you asking about? |
| 18:50.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:50.26 | GenNMX | AH OK I figured it out |
| 18:50.40 | Beladona | Cairenn isn't the only one |
| 18:50.43 | GenNMX | If you try to update and delete an old archive at the same time, it'll take you back to your mod's screen without doing anything |
| 18:50.49 | Cairenn | ah |
| 18:50.52 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:50.53 | GenNMX | Seems like a little php script bug there |
| 18:51.10 | Beladona | stop being so mutli-task! |
| 18:51.16 | GenNMX | haha |
| 18:51.16 | Beladona | what you think this is, the internet? |
| 18:51.21 | Cairenn | post it in here, please? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 |
| 18:51.22 | Beladona | oh |
| 18:51.29 | Cairenn | the bug, I mean |
| 18:51.44 | Beladona | installing ItemDB Elkano |
| 18:51.48 | Beladona | =D |
| 18:52.00 | Cairenn | just so that I don't forget to pass the info along to Dolby |
| 18:52.02 | GenNMX | Oh, here's another bug -- if you have a pending upload, you can't view the forums or your own mod |
| 18:52.13 | GenNMX | So, I have to wait until you accept that upload |
| 18:52.20 | Beladona | ???? |
| 18:52.25 | Cairenn | *blink*?! |
| 18:52.26 | Beladona | thats a new one |
| 18:52.41 | Cairenn | not being able to view the *forums*?! |
| 18:52.42 | GenNMX | Ohhh wait |
| 18:52.55 | GenNMX | Nevermind, I had the wrong address in the address bar |
| 18:53.06 | GenNMX | I was trying to view my own mod, sorry |
| 18:53.26 | Cairenn | and you should be able to view the mod, even while it's in the pending queue, so that if necessary you can go in and make changes while waiting on approval |
| 18:53.45 | GenNMX | No, that definately gives me "You are not authorized to view this page..." |
| 18:55.43 | GenNMX | Heh, "Defias Bandit" -- How Alliance-y |
| 18:56.10 | Beladona | hey Elkano, item icons not working? |
| 18:59.17 | GenNMX | Cair: Thanks again for the help |
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| 19:07.38 | Cairenn | sorry, had to afk |
| 19:07.54 | Cairenn | GenNMX: you're welcome ... did you figure out the various probs? |
| 19:10.01 | GenNMX | the two bugs? No, I posted those |
| 19:10.29 | GenNMX | They happened with two different computers, so I don't think it's my setup or what I'm doing |
| 19:10.53 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 19:11.03 | Cairenn | well, thank you for posting, hopefully Dolby can fix :) |
| 19:11.16 | GenNMX | they're just tiny bugs anyway, not really a big deal |
| 19:11.41 | Elkano | Beladona, icons are coming with 1.9 |
| 19:26.39 | Cairenn | okay, afk for a while, back later on |
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| 19:31.41 | GenNMX | Evil Gaim |
| 19:31.45 | GenNMX | Use irssi |
| 19:33.19 | kremonte | irssi no thanks |
| 19:33.29 | GenNMX | irssi > * |
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| 19:35.00 | kremonte | opinion = nil :D |
| 19:35.23 | GenNMX | C syntax usage > Lua syntax usage |
| 19:35.39 | kremonte | opinion = false; |
| 19:35.50 | GenNMX | C >>>>> Lua |
| 19:35.59 | kremonte | C = false; |
| 19:36.02 | kremonte | Lua = 2; |
| 19:36.05 | GenNMX | C doesn't have "false" ;) |
| 19:36.11 | kremonte | false > C |
| 19:36.15 | GenNMX | You're thinking C++ |
| 19:36.19 | kremonte | C sucks |
| 19:36.26 | GenNMX | Lua was made in C++ |
| 19:36.33 | kremonte | ^_~ |
| 19:36.40 | kremonte | i hate c |
| 19:36.42 | Cide | C > lua, but lua syntax > C syntax |
| 19:36.46 | Cide | in my opinion |
| 19:36.52 | kremonte | lua is annoying |
| 19:36.55 | GenNMX | That's like saying God sucks |
| 19:37.00 | kremonte | he does |
| 19:37.03 | kremonte | ;) |
| 19:37.05 | GenNMX | C is the god of Lua! |
| 19:37.19 | kremonte | lua is a pain in the ass sometimes |
| 19:37.21 | GenNMX | Cide: Lua has some conventions which can be extremely annoying |
| 19:37.33 | GenNMX | C has pretty much no conventions, you have to make up your own |
| 19:37.44 | GenNMX | Which means if YOU suck, THEN C sucks |
| 19:37.46 | Beladona | we aren't using C |
| 19:37.49 | kremonte | it took us SO long and so many damn regex just to split part of a string into array |
| 19:37.51 | Cide | I like the lua syntax, are you going to bash my opinion? ;) |
| 19:37.53 | Beladona | we are using Lua |
| 19:37.57 | Beladona | so ti really doesn't matter |
| 19:38.00 | Depherios | ...yes |
| 19:38.00 | GenNMX | Well, you can code in C++ Syntax with Lua |
| 19:38.13 | Beladona | not really |
| 19:38.28 | Beladona | you can code in Lua syntax, but it can be done similar to C |
| 19:38.32 | Beladona | it is still LUA |
| 19:40.16 | GenNMX | ah sorry, you're right, I was looking at the C API and thought it was part of Lua's Scripting Engine. It's not, it's part of the backend to Lua itself. |
| 19:40.54 | Cide | and I still like lua syntax better than C syntax |
| 19:41.21 | kremonte | lua needs a split() function ;_; |
| 19:41.21 | GenNMX | Cide: You can make C syntax look and work like Lua syntax, you cannot do visa-versa. |
| 19:41.50 | Cide | which still makes my opinion valid |
| 19:42.00 | Cide | if C can be coded with lua syntax, all the better |
| 19:42.06 | Cide | as long as I don't have to code lua with C syntax |
| 19:42.15 | Beladona | kremonte: you wouldn't be biased about that split function would you? |
| 19:42.18 | Beladona | =P |
| 19:42.28 | Cide | I'm not saying lua is better than C, I'm saying I like it more |
| 19:42.29 | GenNMX | kremonte is trying to get an alternative to reproduction here |
| 19:42.35 | GenNMX | Cide: Ah |
| 19:43.13 | kremonte | http://us3.php.net/split |
| 19:43.15 | kremonte | grrr ;_; |
| 19:43.18 | GenNMX | One thing I don't like about Lua that people rave about is the lack of semicolons |
| 19:43.34 | kremonte | i still use semicolons in lua, why not eh |
| 19:43.44 | GenNMX | Semicolons, if anything, are useful to see where a statement ends |
| 19:44.02 | GenNMX | kremonte: I code with Ace -- those devs hunt down anyone who uses semicolons |
| 19:44.11 | kremonte | why? o_O |
| 19:44.17 | Cide | more code! |
| 19:44.20 | Cide | more bytes! |
| 19:44.21 | GenNMX | They're "efficient happy" |
| 19:44.32 | kremonte | err, semicolons ~= efficient? |
| 19:44.38 | GenNMX | The semicolons increase the size of the program by like 400 bytes |
| 19:44.40 | Cide | no, but it makes the files bigger..... |
| 19:44.45 | kremonte | o noes, 400 bytes |
| 19:45.17 | Cide | I saw that, I think that's stepping over the border if anything |
| 19:45.32 | Cide | might as well strip out all carriage returns as well |
| 19:45.36 | Cide | one line for the win |
| 19:45.42 | kremonte | lol |
| 19:45.56 | Deph|AFK|work | lol |
| 19:46.01 | Deph|AFK|work | what about comments? XD |
| 19:46.02 | Tain | For some of these Lua addons that are very big stripping out the semi-colons does reduce the space a lot. |
| 19:46.20 | Cide | a lot is a relative term |
| 19:46.21 | kremonte | readability in code > 2KB |
| 19:46.41 | Cide | I would say it's about the same percentage decrease, depending on how long lines you have |
| 19:46.44 | Tain | Sure, I pesonally don't think semi-colons add readability. |
| 19:46.47 | kremonte | and that's 2kb if the addon is like , 2500+ lines |
| 19:46.51 | Tain | But if others do then yes. |
| 19:47.16 | Deph|AFK|work | if it's a newline |
| 19:47.16 | Cide | if someone does local a, b, c, d, e, f = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6; or local a; a = 1; local b; b = 2; etc |
| 19:47.20 | Cide | depends on how you write |
| 19:47.23 | Deph|AFK|work | I don't care, but when somebody puts yes... that |
| 19:47.29 | Deph|AFK|work | what Cide said |
| 19:47.43 | Tain | That's not good readability regardless of semicolons though. |
| 19:48.03 | Deph|AFK|work | Semicolons help a TON though, especially if you use a syntax hilighter |
| 19:48.05 | kremonte | i can read it just fine^^ |
| 19:48.18 | Tain | Obviously it doesn't matter since Lua ignores them. |
| 19:48.25 | Cide | it doesn't matter to the engine |
| 19:48.53 | Cide | but coming from php, c, c++ or a thousand different languages, it's easier to read with semicolons, at least for me |
| 19:48.53 | kremonte | imo, it's just bad practice to get into using no semicolons if you use other languages that use them |
| 19:48.56 | kremonte | because then you can form habits |
| 19:49.03 | Tain | That's just the thing. |
| 19:49.03 | kremonte | yup, Cide |
| 19:49.13 | Tain | I use other languages that need semi-colons. |
| 19:49.27 | Cide | yup, I'm coding mods and PHP at the same time... I screw up a lot of things if I hang up on one langugae for a while |
| 19:49.35 | kremonte | "oops, i'm coding in perl now and i have 300 syntax errors because i forgot semicolons" |
| 19:49.36 | Deph|AFK|work | anyway... ACTUALLY AFK NOW |
| 19:49.42 | Tain | The fact that Lua doesn't need them makes me not use them, and cringe just slightly when people do for the simple fact that they're not required. |
| 19:49.59 | Cide | whitespaces aren't required either |
| 19:50.15 | Cide | and if you're that keen on saving disk space, just remove all addons and be done with it |
| 19:50.30 | Tain | Ok, you're getting a wee bit hostile about semi-colons. :) |
| 19:50.43 | Cide | I just think it's silly :) |
| 19:50.48 | Tain | My point exactly! |
| 19:50.58 | kremonte | i have 600GB of data, 3mb in semicolons wont kill me. ever |
| 19:51.11 | Tain | Well for me it has nothing really to do with the space. |
| 19:51.15 | Cide | some prefer semi-colons, some don't, I do, so I will continue to use them even if it adds a couple of kb to my addons |
| 19:51.27 | Tain | I just pointed it out because it was a noticable difference in some big addons when people removed them. |
| 19:51.32 | GenNMX | You can code Lua all on one line -- I bet that would save a LOT of space! |
| 19:51.43 | Tain | We already covered that, GenNMX. |
| 19:51.55 | Cide | sure, it saves disk space, but for what good? |
| 19:52.03 | Cide | I doubt it gives a performance boost |
| 19:52.14 | Tain | I hate having to repeat myself. :( |
| 19:52.17 | futrtrubl | and that space only affects download time and disk space usage, ingame mem usage is unchanged with or without semicols |
| 19:52.18 | Tain | Well for me it has nothing really to do with the space. |
| 19:52.24 | GenNMX | It's not about disk space, Cide. The entire script has to be loaded into memory, semi-colons and all. |
| 19:52.39 | GenNMX | And it's also one less character for the parser to parse. |
| 19:52.51 | Cide | yes |
| 19:53.05 | Cide | but do you think it will have any performance boost in CTRA's 21000 lines? |
| 19:53.08 | Cide | I don't |
| 19:53.23 | futrtrubl | later guys, I'm off to get food |
| 19:53.28 | Cide | well, it will have a peformance boost obviously, but it won't be noticable |
| 19:53.37 | Tain | Never profiled it. |
| 19:53.48 | kremonte | purl, sex? |
| 19:53.49 | purl | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 19:54.09 | GenNMX | futrtrubl: You mean you don't have a bag of pretzels next to your computer? |
| 19:54.30 | GenNMX | purl runs on debian, eh? |
| 19:54.34 | Tain | However I'll say it again. It's not the space that I care about. I, personally, in my opinion, without imposing my style on anyone else, think the code looks cleaner without semi-colons. |
| 19:54.49 | Cide | I mean, I really don't mind people not using semi-colons, since I know lua does just fine without them, but coming from PHP and some C++, I find it easier to read |
| 19:55.25 | futrtrubl | so we agree to disagree |
| 19:55.38 | Tain | Of course I also cringe mightily when people don't indent either. |
| 19:55.43 | GenNMX | Tain -- If you don't have a C/PHP/Java background, I'd say you're right |
| 19:55.50 | Tain | GenNMX: I already said that I do. |
| 19:55.53 | Cide | now that does make code unreadable, Tain |
| 19:56.20 | GenNMX | But I also agree it does make the code look "snazzier", like "ooo, we don't have to use these in Lua, how cool" |
| 19:56.35 | Tain | See it's a matter of opinion, that's all. |
| 19:56.42 | Tain | Like tabs vs space to indent. |
| 19:56.53 | Cide | I also have trouble reading some identation variants, like having the end of the scope more idented than the beginning of the scope |
| 19:56.54 | GenNMX | Everyone should use gvim ;) |
| 19:57.03 | futrtrubl | I should have my editor strip tabs out before release, no one else should understand my code! ;'] |
| 19:57.03 | GenNMX | It has built-in Lua highlighting! |
| 19:57.15 | Tain | Tabs and newlines. |
| 19:57.19 | kremonte | purl, purl? |
| 19:57.20 | purl | methinks purl is not a bot |
| 19:57.25 | kremonte | grrr |
| 19:57.54 | futrtrubl | good idea Tain |
| 19:58.06 | GenNMX | futrtrubl: You and Rowne would be best buddies then, he also likes to make it intentionally hard for people to understand his code |
| 19:58.11 | Beladona | i use dreamweaver for all my coding. I know it is meant for web design, but that is where I do my php programming, so I prefer it for lua too |
| 19:58.19 | futrtrubl | and spaces when not between words or in strings ;'] |
| 19:58.35 | Tain | No he doesn't, GenNMX. He has a specific style. It took me a while to understand, but it does make sense. |
| 19:58.41 | futrtrubl | I'm not actually going to do this... |
| 19:58.59 | Beladona | I like Rowne's code |
| 19:59.00 | Tain | It's not what I would choose to do and it doesn' tmake things more readable. But it makes a certain kind of sense. |
| 19:59.02 | futrtrubl | I could also use a random var name generator ;'] |
| 19:59.29 | Cide | obfuscation makes my want to cry |
| 19:59.51 | futrtrubl | yeah, that just sounds abit paranoid to me] |
| 19:59.56 | GenNMX | Tain: I'm loking at his post and his code -- he agrees that he tries to "raise the bar of effort" in understanding his code. |
| 20:00.26 | Tain | He says that after the fact, though. He codes that way because it makes sense to him. |
| 20:00.27 | Beladona | he codes in OO |
| 20:00.37 | Beladona | whats wrong with that? |
| 20:01.15 | GenNMX | Beladona: I was talking about his choice of little to no comments and very short variable names |
| 20:01.38 | Beladona | hehe |
| 20:01.40 | Tain | On the other hand I had to understand it since I took over Visor development. :) |
| 20:01.42 | Cide | I rarely use comments |
| 20:01.48 | Beladona | same here |
| 20:02.05 | Cide | but I don't like naming variables and functions a, b, c, d, e |
| 20:02.07 | GenNMX | Lua doesn't need too many comments, but it's nice to at least comment on what a function does if it's no intuitive |
| 20:02.09 | Beladona | I tend to only use comments as logical separators in my code |
| 20:02.13 | Beladona | for myself |
| 20:02.22 | Cide | the only time I use comments really |
| 20:02.28 | GenNMX | s/no/not/ |
| 20:02.33 | Cide | is when I know that I will have to use them to understand what the hell I'm doing later on |
| 20:02.38 | Beladona | hehe |
| 20:02.41 | Beladona | same here |
| 20:02.47 | Beladona | but when I am done with it I tend to delete it |
| 20:02.52 | Beladona | looks cleaner |
| 20:02.58 | Cide | I do that with debug messages |
| 20:03.03 | Beladona | although I am sure other people would wish it was there |
| 20:03.05 | Tain | That's the thing. It might look like Rownes code just uses a bunch of single letter variables for no reason. But they *do* actually make sense, they're not just random variables. |
| 20:03.29 | Beladona | they do to me as well |
| 20:03.43 | Tain | Now is 'p.f' better than 'p.frameName' ? |
| 20:03.46 | Beladona | but then I agree with most of his coding habits |
| 20:03.47 | Cide | Tain: well, local s = true; isn't as clear as local shallUseLongNames= true; |
| 20:03.51 | Tain | Nah, not for readability. |
| 20:04.09 | Cide | even if they do make sense, more clear variable names makes it a lot easier to understand |
| 20:04.19 | Tain | I didn't say they didn't. |
| 20:04.23 | Cide | I didn't say you said they did :) |
| 20:04.24 | GenNMX | You see Cide, that's the point. WoW coding should be a collaborative effort. It shouldn't take a team of cryptologists to understand your code if you leave/get run over by a drunk icecream salesman who just got dumped by his gay lover. |
| 20:04.42 | Tain | But that's imposing coding style on people. |
| 20:04.45 | Tain | And that's not right. |
| 20:04.54 | Cide | I'm all for people coding how they want |
| 20:05.25 | GenNMX | Tain: I never said Rowne's method was completely unreadable, but it does take more effort if you're not familiar with it. |
| 20:05.25 | Cide | but I don't like when one makes an effort to try to make it harder to understand |
| 20:05.37 | GenNMX | Tain: Isn't that what Rowne himself is doing... |
| 20:05.38 | Cide | unless it's necessary, which it is in some cases |
| 20:05.40 | Tain | I'd agree, Cide. But I haven't seen any examples of that in WoW addons yet. |
| 20:05.48 | Cide | thottbot does that |
| 20:06.05 | Cide | which somewhat goes under the category of it being a necessary evil |
| 20:06.08 | Tain | I haven't used it. So I haven't seen that example. :) But sure. |
| 20:06.18 | Cide | I don't use it either, but I did check the code out once |
| 20:06.28 | Tain | And I don't know what you're saying, GenNMX. |
| 20:07.37 | GenNMX | Tain: Rowne says he codes to "inspire" people to "think for themselves". He doesn't want to "hold their hands". |
| 20:08.01 | Tain | Ok. |
| 20:08.36 | GenNMX | To me, that's saying he codes in such a way to try and force people to adapt a certain mentality. |
| 20:08.52 | Tain | I don't quite see how you make that leap. |
| 20:08.59 | Tain | He's not forcing anyone to do anything. |
| 20:09.14 | Tain | If you want to read his code then you have to learn his style of coding. The same as anyone's code. |
| 20:09.35 | Tain | The fact that his style is different than what you might be used to isn't his responsibility. |
| 20:09.38 | Cide | www.ctmod.net/blighted/ThottbotEngine.lua |
| 20:09.54 | GenNMX | It may not be his responsibility, but it isn't polite. |
| 20:10.04 | Tain | No, what isn't polite is telling him he shouldn't code that way. |
| 20:10.40 | GenNMX | Are you saying it isn't polite to ask someone to please code in a readable format, one that is more easily adaptable and scannable? |
| 20:11.00 | Tain | Unless you're paying his salary to do it, no. |
| 20:11.58 | Tain | Actually you can ask all you want. But expecting that he will conform to what you want is not right. |
| 20:12.04 | GenNMX | I can't see how asking someone to do something for the benefit of everyone is impolite. I could see how demanding that they do it, or demeaning them because they do it, would be construded as impolite. |
| 20:12.20 | GenNMX | I don't expect that he conforms, I hope that he conforms. |
| 20:12.35 | Tain | I don't. :( |
| 20:12.46 | Tain | People need to express themselves, not conform. |
| 20:13.05 | Tain | The minute I stop enjoying what I'm doing I won't do it anymore. |
| 20:13.34 | GenNMX | Well, I'm not asking that he just conform to some ISO standard. I'm asking he compromise and take others considerations into account. |
| 20:13.55 | Tain | See in my opinion, and mine alone, that's a selfish attitude on your part. |
| 20:14.06 | GenNMX | I, too, am all for individuality and personality in coding. |
| 20:14.35 | GenNMX | How can an attitude of trying to take the consideration of others into account be selfish? That seems like the opposite of selfish! |
| 20:15.02 | Tain | Because you're not taking consideration of HIM into account. |
| 20:16.01 | Tain | You're saying, "Your way isn't good for us, change it so we can benefit more." |
| 20:16.42 | GenNMX | I said I was asking and hoping. You're acting like I'm demanding change. |
| 20:17.33 | Tain | He's already said he won't change the way he codes, so asking any more is trying to get what you want. |
| 20:18.08 | GenNMX | I also said I was against conformity. I would hope for a compromise, a style which is easy to use for both coder and observers. Otherwise, the change would be self-destructive. |
| 20:18.21 | Tain | I guess what it really comes down to is I don't think any WoW author owes anything to, "the community." |
| 20:19.05 | Tain | Ok well, we'll just have to disagree then. Compromise is about two sides coming together. Your suggestion is him coming this way. |
| 20:19.53 | GenNMX | That is the attitude I'm worried about with Ace, Tain. I'm seriously worried that 4-6 months down the line, Kaelten, Rowne, claidhaire will be gone, and Ace will have to be abandoned for a while while a new team understands its code. |
| 20:20.04 | Beladona | every single person in this room codes a little different |
| 20:20.18 | Beladona | that is what gives such variety in the addons and code that gets released |
| 20:20.42 | Beladona | to ask for comformity is to destroy creativity, and difference |
| 20:20.44 | Tain | That's the possibility with every single addon out there. |
| 20:20.53 | GenNMX | That is the same attitude that everyone cites when stating why they don't want to use Ace. |
| 20:20.53 | Tain | There's really no reason to single out any one. |
| 20:21.23 | Beladona | my question is, so they don't want to use Ace... how does that hurt you? |
| 20:21.28 | Tain | But no one's trying to force people to use Ace. It's there, and the reasons behind it are explained when asked. |
| 20:21.31 | GenNMX | Beladona: Right, and I'm not asking for conformity, just compromise. |
| 20:21.40 | Tain | But compromise for what? |
| 20:21.41 | Beladona | and they won't give it |
| 20:21.57 | Tain | If I'm happy where I am what do I have to gain if you feel I should change? |
| 20:22.06 | Beladona | the only reason anyone would change their coding habit is if they see a real benefit by doing so |
| 20:22.20 | Beladona | in some cases that may be valid |
| 20:22.30 | Beladona | but obviously Rowne prefers his way |
| 20:22.38 | Beladona | and honestly, I like the way he does it |
| 20:22.57 | Beladona | so you can read his distinct code, or not |
| 20:22.58 | GenNMX | Well, that's why I feel these discussions are fruitful. My topic wasn't ever really about Rowne, I was just using his coding style as an example. |
| 20:23.02 | Beladona | thats all there is to it |
| 20:23.13 | Beladona | I know |
| 20:23.15 | Beladona | I am too |
| 20:23.42 | Beladona | some people code to make the code efficient |
| 20:23.48 | Beladona | some people code to make the code more readable |
| 20:23.53 | Beladona | and some people find ways to do both |
| 20:24.00 | Beladona | but everyone does it differently |
| 20:24.10 | GenNMX | It's good to talk about coding styles and design, and see what everyone's opinions are. I think it would be best if we could agree on something similiar just in readability, but the community is kinda split. |
| 20:24.30 | Beladona | the community is only split if you let it be an issue |
| 20:24.39 | Beladona | I fail to see wher eit is |
| 20:25.04 | GenNMX | No, I mean split up as in part of the best coders only read the WoW Forums, some only read WoWInterface, some only read Curse-gaming comments, some only read Ace forums, etc. |
| 20:25.17 | Beladona | right |
| 20:25.23 | Beladona | that is why this channel exists |
| 20:25.27 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.28 | GenNMX | True, true. |
| 20:28.12 | GenNMX | I guess it's my C nature which is proning this discussion. Lua forces you into a particular syntax and coding style, while C gives no such convention. There is a lot of advanced stuff you can do in C, like coding emulators (one of my hobbies) which can get VERY, VERY messy without proper commenting |
| 20:28.38 | GenNMX | 10,000 lines of uncommented spagetti code...I still have nightmares |
| 20:29.07 | Tain | One of the things I liked about Lua was that there are different ways to do things. |
| 20:30.07 | GenNMX | Yeah, but not as many ways as C. It depends on what library you use, and how you setup your macros & typedefs, etc. |
| 20:31.04 | GenNMX | I'm not trying to badmouth Lua here, it's a scripting language, it's not designed to be as in-depth as a compiled language like C. Lua is excellent and very robust for its main function. |
| 20:39.53 | Elkano | Beladona, just added key binding :) |
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| 20:41.14 | GenNMX | I read somewhere that we can't instaniate frames outside of XML, is this true? |
| 20:41.36 | Cide | yes |
| 20:41.55 | GenNMX | Aww. It would be cool if, say, we needed to add a button for each raid member, that we didn't have to make 40 buttons. |
| 20:42.09 | Cide | yup |
| 20:42.20 | GenNMX | What about buttons inheriting templates? Still need 40 buttons? |
| 20:42.55 | Cide | well, you could have 8 buttons and have one per group |
| 20:43.08 | Cide | but you would still need 40 healthbar elements, 40 manabar elements, etc |
| 20:43.20 | GenNMX | Right |
| 20:43.46 | GenNMX | Can we at least use for loops in XML to generate buttons, or does the parser pre-parse the xml, then the Lua code in the xml? |
| 20:44.06 | Cide | you can't loop, no |
| 20:44.27 | Cide | it reads the code from top down as far as I know |
| 20:44.33 | GenNMX | Well it looks like it's sed time then |
| 20:44.55 | Cide | you also don't have access to virtual frames after the code has been loaded |
| 20:45.19 | Cide | so mods that are loaded after runtime need to include the files holding virtual frames in order to use them, so that they are parsed again |
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| 20:45.39 | Cide | or just define your own copy of the virtual frame and use that again, either way |
| 20:45.45 | Tem | is it safe yet? |
| 20:45.47 | Cide | and use that instead* |
| 20:45.49 | Cide | nope, run |
| 20:46.15 | GenNMX | Seems like the XML portion of the WoW Scripting Engine needs the most work right now, it's wacky. |
| 20:46.25 | Tem | XML is always wacky |
| 20:46.34 | Tem | I just wish they would give us on the fly frames |
| 20:46.41 | Tem | then I would never write another line of XML |
| 20:46.53 | GenNMX | Exactly what we were talking about, Tem. It should ALL be in Lua in my opinion. |
| 20:46.55 | Cide | xml takes so much longer to write compared to lua |
| 20:47.04 | Tem | very much so |
| 20:47.07 | Tain | Aw come on Tem, you barely have to write any XML now with AceGUI. ;) |
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| 20:47.12 | Tem | That is sort of the goal of AceGUI |
| 20:47.18 | Tem | aww and tain beat me to it |
| 20:47.22 | GenNMX | And you even look at slouken's code and see he uses Lua INSIDE the XML, that's just evil |
| 20:47.24 | Cide | owned! |
| 20:47.38 | Cide | should be other way around |
| 20:47.46 | Tem | What was I looking at recently... |
| 20:47.51 | Tem | Oh! the money frame |
| 20:47.55 | Tem | Very OO |
| 20:47.55 | Cide | ! |
| 20:47.57 | Tem | I'm proud of them |
| 20:48.19 | Tain | There was something I looked at that almost made me cry. |
| 20:48.28 | Tem | probably tooltips |
| 20:48.29 | Tain | I can't remember where it was though, I think I blocked it out. |
| 20:48.39 | Tem | tooltips can make anyone cry |
| 20:49.07 | GenNMX | Tain -- Maybe it was my code |
| 20:49.08 | Tem | hmm.. it's format day and I haven't even backed up my code yet |
| 20:49.25 | Tain | Nah GenNMX. :) It was something in the Blizzard Luas. |
| 20:49.26 | GenNMX | ILikeToCamelizeMyGlobals |
| 20:49.33 | Tain | It was just something so bad... |
| 20:50.03 | GenNMX | The way the Bonus Action Bar confused the hell out of me |
| 20:50.05 | Tain | I generally use Camel myself. Except sometimes I don't. hehe |
| 20:50.24 | Tem | cladhaire likes "monkey" |
| 20:50.26 | GenNMX | I think a lot of the Bonus Action Bar's code is hidden |
| 20:50.30 | MoonWolf | tain, inconsistency for the win. |
| 20:50.44 | GenNMX | MoonWolf, inconsistency for the sometimes win ;) |
| 20:51.05 | MoonWolf | yes GenNMX, you are right. i stand corrected. |
| 20:51.52 | GenNMX | Tain -- I found with Visor and my own code, if a regular button is unparented, then CurrentActionPage() can try to change its ID |
| 20:52.12 | GenNMX | Unparented isn't the best word, just reparented |
| 20:53.23 | GenNMX | Since I play a Druid, I had to get around this by catching the UPDATE_BONUS_ACTIONBAR and ACTIONBAR_PAGE_CHANGED events and changing the pages to the correct page. |
| 20:53.49 | Tain | Damn here it is, or at least a copy of the original. I couldn't find it. |
| 20:53.51 | Tain | http://thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html |
| 20:54.00 | Tain | How To Write Unmaintainable Code |
| 20:55.08 | Tain | GenNMX: Generally Visor works best with buttons if you use the VisorActionButtons instead of the original buttons. |
| 20:56.14 | GenNMX | Tain: It's the VisorActionButtons that will always change based on CurrentActionPage() |
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| 20:56.26 | Tain | Ah ok. |
| 20:56.39 | GenNMX | And they don't respond to Shapeshift events, so those must be caught and dealt with. |
| 20:57.06 | Tain | The latest has code that you can use to trigger on shapeshift and stances/forms |
| 20:57.06 | GenNMX | My code to try and deal with shapeshifting is in the Visor modules thread, if you want to take a look. |
| 20:57.38 | Tain | It's not fully updated yet though, I haven't even had a chance to test it since I don't have a druid. |
| 20:57.42 | Tain | But I was trying to level one. :) |
| 20:57.47 | GenNMX | Ah |
| 20:58.07 | GenNMX | You could just use a Rogue, when they stealth the fire the same event as a Druid |
| 20:58.38 | GenNMX | s/they stealth the/they stealth they/ |
| 20:59.32 | Tain | Ok. I do have a Rogue. |
| 21:00.26 | GenNMX | Yeah, it depends on which event you're catching though. I use UPDATE_BONUSACTION_BAR, that's fired whenever the bonus action bar needs to be shown/hidden. But you also have to be careful with that event, since it's fired on startup/reload too. |
| 21:00.51 | GenNMX | UPDATE_BONUS_ACTIONBAR, oops...I think that's the name |
| 21:01.11 | Tain | I actually don't even know, Rowne added the code and I haven't even had a chance, well I guess the ambition, to look at it. |
| 21:01.23 | GenNMX | Hah |
| 21:02.08 | GenNMX | That's what I was talking about before too -- I don't have the ambition to try and understand Rowne's code yet ;) |
| 21:02.28 | Tain | So much to do, so little speed. |
| 21:02.53 | MoonWolf | so much to do, so little hours in a day. |
| 21:03.54 | GenNMX | My character is still only Level 28, grrr. My guildies are yelling at me to level instead of coding. Just started on this new server. |
| 21:04.34 | GenNMX | Then again, it is rather silly to PAY $15/month just to code... |
| 21:05.04 | MoonWolf | no its not, the UI stuff is half my wow experience. |
| 21:05.09 | Tain | Yeah, but it's at least fun. |
| 21:24.35 | Beladona | wurd |
| 21:24.59 | Cairenn | weird |
| 21:25.43 | Tain | Ward |
| 21:25.50 | Tain | I think you were a little hard on the Beaver |
| 21:26.35 | Tain | Anyone playing? :) |
| 21:27.33 | Beladona | yes |
| 21:28.03 | Beladona | I gave up blacsmithing |
| 21:28.12 | Beladona | figured lw would suit my shaman better |
| 21:28.32 | Tain | People called me crazy when I took up Blacksmithing with my mage |
| 21:30.22 | BO|Razag | is there some function to check if you are in combat or only the events |
| 21:30.37 | Tain | Everyone uses, PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED |
| 21:30.50 | Tain | When you go into combat you stop regenerating. |
| 21:31.23 | MoonWolf | but how about the allows x regen in combat stuff then ? |
| 21:31.23 | BO|Razag | yeah but i have to set a variable to 0 and 1 if i want to check it in a function called by a different event then i guess |
| 21:31.33 | BO|Razag | thats healing moon |
| 21:31.34 | Cairenn | Worms! http://www.worms3d.com/goodies.html?area=demo |
| 21:32.12 | MoonWolf | nighty people. |
| 21:32.14 | MoonWolf | waht worms ? |
| 21:32.31 | MoonWolf | yay for worms and goodnight. |
| 21:33.56 | Tain | You can register the PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED event, every time it fires it can trigger whatever function. |
| 21:34.05 | Tain | And then _ENABLED |
| 21:34.45 | BO|Razag | well i thought maybe you can check combat mode like oyu can check buffs or skill is ready or smth like that |
| 21:34.57 | BO|Razag | would be "neater" |
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| 21:35.30 | Tem | brb booting into linux |
| 21:36.02 | Osagasu | feels so... empty in here. |
| 21:36.18 | Tain | No, it seems the only thing you can do is check those events. That's the way it's done in the Blizzard Lua even. |
| 21:36.20 | Cairenn | Osagasu: ? |
| 21:36.30 | Osagasu | only 30 people |
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| 21:39.54 | GenNMX | Tain: I was wondering about that. PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED and PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED are fired even with Trolls, right? |
| 21:40.18 | GenNMX | If so, there's a little bit of obsfucation right there ;) |
| 21:41.10 | Tain | Yeah. Troll regen, and others that say adds x regen during combat, are treated as slow heals (I believe) |
| 21:41.23 | Tain | Or at the very least, not as regen. Which they are. :) |
| 21:43.13 | GenNMX | I can't think of a way it could be changed now without breaking tons of addons... |
| 21:43.33 | Tain | Blizzard would have to change their own Lua as well. |
| 21:43.36 | GenNMX | They should of done something like IsEvent(eventname) |
| 21:44.03 | GenNMX | Then they could have old event names reference new ones in the underlying code |
| 21:45.31 | GenNMX | Lua isn't crazy enough to have a variable type that can be two things at once, can it? |
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| 22:10.04 | Guillotine | you there kremonte? |
| 22:15.31 | kremonte | i am |
| 22:15.37 | kremonte | i was baking cookies :D |
| 22:15.56 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:15.59 | Guillotine | can you start up gobby? |
| 22:16.10 | kremonte | in a sec |
| 22:16.15 | kremonte | i uploaded alpha2 to WoWI btw |
| 22:16.21 | Guillotine | i saw :) |
| 22:16.55 | kremonte | gobby is up |
| 22:16.57 | kremonte | loading files |
| 22:19.25 | Guillotine | Cairenn/Beladona/any other WoWI admins: I like the holiday theme :D nice work! |
| 22:19.50 | Cairenn | Credit goes to Dolby, I'll pass along your words |
| 22:20.27 | GenNMX | I would say Cairenn's icon looks cute, but it looks more sultry ;) |
| 22:20.44 | Guillotine | i dont really like cairenn's new icon perseonally, but I love the rest |
| 22:21.10 | pagefault | I think it's festive |
| 22:21.13 | GenNMX | Maybe I'm too locked into thinking American-style cartoons aren't cute compared to Japanese Anime |
| 22:21.16 | pagefault | a festive icon for the holidays |
| 22:21.23 | Kremonte | link to cair's icon? |
| 22:21.25 | Kremonte | ;x |
| 22:21.32 | Beladona | I wish she would give me gifts XD |
| 22:21.32 | pagefault | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/image.php?userid=6&dateline=1133509025 |
| 22:21.39 | GenNMX | kremonte: On the front page |
| 22:21.48 | Kremonte | oh, that |
| 22:21.53 | Kremonte | its been up for a while, hasnt it? ;x |
| 22:22.05 | pagefault | I kind of wonder what she is doing with that present though |
| 22:22.15 | pagefault | it sort of looks like she is trying to hide it |
| 22:22.16 | Cairenn | wrapping it to hand out, of course |
| 22:22.32 | Cairenn | http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/avatars/wow/cair_christmas_full.gif |
| 22:22.41 | pagefault | ah thats better |
| 22:23.05 | Cairenn | and yes, it's been up for a while now |
| 22:23.18 | Cairenn | I don't think I'm going to get one done in time for New Year's though |
| 22:23.28 | Cairenn | http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/ |
| 22:23.52 | pagefault | you are talented, I could never draw anything like that |
| 22:23.53 | Cairenn | I make icons for all the "standard North American" holidays |
| 22:23.56 | GenNMX | Just colour it blue and change the present to a bottle of chardenee! |
| 22:24.17 | Cairenn | pagefault: I didn't create the doll base itself, just the clothing/hair/etc |
| 22:24.23 | pagefault | still |
| 22:24.31 | pagefault | I could probably do that signature one |
| 22:24.34 | pagefault | but thats about it |
| 22:24.53 | Cairenn | and that was a *really* crappy job, since I messed up and accidently saved over top the one I'd been working on |
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| 22:25.10 | GenNMX | Did you make an icon for National Pantless Day? It's usually practiced by news anchors, judges, politicians, and programmers. |
| 22:25.10 | Cairenn | so had to start fresh on the day that I'd set as my deadline for having it completed |
| 22:25.16 | pagefault | it's not that crappy, it's a lot better than a lot of people could do |
| 22:25.43 | Cairenn | compared to this one? http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/avatars/wow/cairwow2.gif |
| 22:25.47 | Cairenn | it's crappy, trust me |
| 22:26.25 | Cairenn | GenNMX: *snicker* |
| 22:26.44 | pagefault | time to go back to making my silly script |
| 22:27.00 | Kremonte | are there any XML inherits similar to an HTML <h> ? |
| 22:27.04 | Cairenn | any number of my avatars celebrate National Pantless Day |
| 22:27.12 | Cairenn | they wear dresses instead ;) |
| 22:27.12 | GenNMX | Your images remind me of old DOS games for some reason, are they computer generatd? |
| 22:27.17 | pagefault | NPD sounds like a fun day |
| 22:27.33 | pagefault | they remind me of sierra adventure games |
| 22:27.39 | GenNMX | National Pantless/Skirtless/Dressless day ;) |
| 22:27.44 | Cairenn | heh, nice try |
| 22:27.55 | Cairenn | no, there are no x-rated Cairenn avatars :p |
| 22:28.04 | pagefault | yet? |
| 22:28.42 | Cairenn | >< |
| 22:28.45 | Cairenn | evah! |
| 22:28.48 | GenNMX | Whoa, whoa! I was just asking for pantless, not topless! What a dirty, dirty mind... |
| 22:28.56 | pagefault | haha |
| 22:29.32 | pagefault | pantless as in not wearing pants but wearing something else |
| 22:29.54 | Beladona | thats it |
| 22:30.01 | Beladona | time to make a forum sig for myself |
| 22:30.06 | Cairenn | ah |
| 22:30.06 | GenNMX | Methinks Cairenn got National Pantless Day confused with National Nudist Day. |
| 22:30.16 | Beladona | you got me in an artsy mood |
| 22:30.29 | Cairenn | Hey, I said they wear dresses instead, and you said that wasn't acceptable either |
| 22:30.36 | GenNMX | Beladona is going to make an x-rated Cairenn? |
| 22:30.38 | Cairenn | so no pants/dresses/skirts ... what else is there? |
| 22:30.41 | Beladona | no |
| 22:30.43 | Beladona | lol |
| 22:30.45 | pagefault | skort? |
| 22:30.48 | pagefault | shorts |
| 22:30.49 | Cairenn | if he does, he'll only share it with me |
| 22:30.54 | GenNMX | Cairenn -- Do you normally wear nothing beneath your dresses? |
| 22:31.24 | Beladona | hey Cair, is there a limit on signature width, height? |
| 22:31.29 | GenNMX | It seems Cairenn goes "commando" as we men like to say. |
| 22:31.51 | Cairenn | Beladona: http://www.eqinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=593 |
| 22:31.56 | Cairenn | try to stick to those |
| 22:32.02 | Beladona | cool |
| 22:32.15 | GenNMX | So, Beladona is male? |
| 22:32.20 | Cairenn | they're fairly generous compared to many forums |
| 22:32.30 | Beladona | in RL |
| 22:32.47 | Beladona | my game characters tend to be female |
| 22:32.51 | GenNMX | Ah, I was confused by your nick, as "Bel" is female, and so is "Dona", and so is "Beladona" |
| 22:32.53 | Cairenn | GenNMX: depending on the situation, yes, yes I do |
| 22:32.55 | Beladona | easier on the eyes I guess |
| 22:33.42 | Cairenn | spandex looks nasty with underwear beneath it, yucky panty lines |
| 22:34.05 | GenNMX | Cairenn: Oooo! *insert typical male derogatory statements intended to be flirtatious here!* |
| 22:34.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:34.51 | Kremonte | 2 XML questions; are there any XML inherits similar to an HTML <h>? and what is the inherit for a grayed out button? |
| 22:35.05 | Cairenn | there was a reason I was continually pulling the bottom of my dress down at the BlizzCon closing concert ;) |
| 22:35.16 | GenNMX | Exactly Cairenn. Yucky panty lines is why I stopped wearing panties when I was 11. |
| 22:35.40 | Cairenn | since spandex also has the nasty habit of liking to slither up with every step taken |
| 22:36.08 | GenNMX | Why spandex? Do you fight crime in your spare time? |
| 22:36.18 | GenNMX | Are you a super hero-ine? |
| 22:36.49 | Kremonte | thanks, now answer my question! ^^b |
| 22:37.02 | GenNMX | Aww. |
| 22:37.11 | Kremonte | talking about pandies and spandex is wierd in IRC |
| 22:37.20 | GenNMX | Kremonte: Are you male? |
| 22:37.20 | Kremonte | its like, something you dont talk about |
| 22:37.22 | Kremonte | yes |
| 22:37.24 | pagefault | yeah I would not want to see a panda in spandex either |
| 22:37.29 | Kremonte | rofl pagefault |
| 22:37.34 | GenNMX | Then please don't giggle -- men do not giggle, we CHUCKLE! |
| 22:37.41 | Kremonte | i giggle. |
| 22:38.00 | GenNMX | You degrade men everyone! |
| 22:38.06 | Beladona | no, just you |
| 22:38.10 | Beladona | ......... |
| 22:38.18 | GenNMX | I'm going to go lift something heavy to compensate for that giggle. |
| 22:38.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:38.43 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 22:38.44 | Kremonte | see, i'm more of a boy than a man at this point in my life :-) |
| 22:38.47 | GenNMX | I broke my back, and I'm in pain...MANLY PAIN! |
| 22:39.22 | Kremonte | okay, GenNMX. calm down |
| 22:39.30 | GenNMX | Well, nerds are neither male nor female, we can giggle. |
| 22:39.49 | Cairenn | ewww, you're a nerd? /ban |
| 22:39.52 | GenNMX | I can't, my testosterone is rising at an alarming rate. I'm growing pimples as we speak. |
| 22:40.12 | Cairenn | no nerds allowed in channel, only geeks |
| 22:40.20 | Cairenn | geeks are sexy, nerds are just nerds |
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| 22:40.21 | pagefault | what about the candy kind |
| 22:40.29 | Kremonte | geeks are sexy in their own way* |
| 22:40.30 | Cairenn | pagefault: that's candy |
| 22:40.30 | End | mmm....candy |
| 22:40.34 | GenNMX | If you know how to code in anything, you are officially a nerd ;) |
| 22:40.43 | Cairenn | candy is always acceptable |
| 22:40.50 | Kremonte | My constructs will rock your global variables! |
| 22:40.56 | Cairenn | GenNMX: no, if you know how to code in anything, you are officially a geek |
| 22:40.58 | GenNMX | If you know how to build a computer from its component capacitators, or even know what a capacitator is, then you are a super nerd. |
| 22:40.59 | Kremonte | GenNMX - no |
| 22:41.15 | Kremonte | geek ~= nerd |
| 22:41.16 | GenNMX | That can't be true, because anyone who knows anything about computers is already a geek. |
| 22:41.24 | Cairenn | bull |
| 22:41.24 | Kremonte | no way |
| 22:41.33 | GenNMX | Well that's what Dave Chapelle thinks. |
| 22:41.39 | Kremonte | that means everyone > 10 years old is a geek |
| 22:41.41 | Cairenn | hahahahhaha |
| 22:41.46 | Kremonte | and you listen to Dave Chapelle? die |
| 22:41.48 | pagefault | I use MSN I am a geek, woohoo |
| 22:41.53 | Cairenn | not |
| 22:42.20 | GenNMX | And despite his insane outbreaks, mary jane addictions, and asylum romps, he is a wise man! |
| 22:42.21 | Elkano | <pagefault> I use MSN <-- you are a suicide canidate ;) |
| 22:42.31 | pagefault | hehe I was kidding |
| 22:42.34 | pagefault | I use gaim to connect to MSN |
| 22:42.35 | Guillotine | haha |
| 22:42.36 | pagefault | does it still count? |
| 22:42.43 | Kremonte | rofl |
| 22:42.43 | GenNMX | MSN and AOL users aren't really on the "Internet" |
| 22:42.52 | Cairenn | "geek" apply to more than just computer knowledgeable, too |
| 22:42.52 | Kremonte | lol |
| 22:42.55 | GenNMX | They're on the "Enternot" |
| 22:42.58 | futrtrubl | What is this Gaim you speak of? ;'] |
| 22:43.05 | End | the intarweb! |
| 22:43.30 | futrtrubl | uh uh, TEH intarweb |
| 22:43.30 | Kremonte | whee, i hearthed out of BWL when i got BA on vael |
| 22:43.40 | GenNMX | Well Cairenn, I can assume at least some computer knowledge for someone who found their way onto IRC |
| 22:43.54 | Kremonte | i mean, you are a geek+ when you're watching "I shouldn't be alive" on the discovery channel, and you're thinking, "they should just hearth" |
| 22:44.05 | pagefault | chatzilla doesn't require any knowledge :( |
| 22:44.10 | pagefault | it lets anyone get on irc |
| 22:44.10 | GenNMX | BA? You got a Bachelor's Degree in Art from Vael? |
| 22:44.12 | Guillotine | kremonte: lol |
| 22:44.18 | Kremonte | yes, GenNMX. yes. |
| 22:44.28 | Kremonte | but then you go so broke, you explode |
| 22:44.29 | Cairenn | lol GenNMX |
| 22:44.33 | Kremonte | (for 4000 fire damage) |
| 22:44.46 | Kremonte | "Ah shit, I just burned my hand on the stove for 8 fire damage" |
| 22:44.50 | End | 4000 is too low |
| 22:44.58 | pagefault | Kremonte, but your cooking skill increased by 1 |
| 22:45.09 | Kremonte | End - every 5 seconds you have BA, your max HP decreases by 20% |
| 22:45.14 | End | ouch |
| 22:45.15 | Kremonte | it lasts 20 seconds |
| 22:46.00 | Cide | actually, it decreases by 5% every 1 sec for 15 sec |
| 22:46.16 | Kremonte | er, that too |
| 22:46.20 | Kremonte | i dont pay attention |
| 22:46.25 | Kremonte | i just pretend i'm kazzak |
| 22:46.37 | GenNMX | "Your ineptitude in cooking causes your electric stove to completely shortcircuit, causing a feedback that not only makes the stove burst into flames, but disrupts the entire electrical grid of your neighborhod. * You gain 1 in Cooking." |
| 22:46.40 | Cide | and then you get instakilled (not normal damage, death touch), and deal like 5kish damage around you |
| 22:46.41 | Cide | :) |
| 22:46.49 | Kremonte | shut up, Cide |
| 22:46.50 | Kremonte | :( |
| 22:46.55 | Cide | <3 |
| 22:47.24 | Kremonte | every other attempt, this warlock who wasnt paying attention, ran into the healers and killed all of them |
| 22:47.39 | Guillotine | haha |
| 22:47.48 | GenNMX | Kremonte -- Did he have his succubus out? |
| 22:48.04 | Kremonte | er, no |
| 22:48.10 | Kremonte | pet=imp, or demonic sac :> |
| 22:48.19 | GenNMX | Ah, I would say otherwise, that would explain his "inattention" |
| 22:48.20 | Kremonte | is there something i can do in XML to do like what <h /> does in HTML? |
| 22:48.58 | GenNMX | What is <h /> ? Do you mean <hr /> (horizontal line) ? |
| 22:49.03 | Kremonte | yar |
| 22:49.08 | Kremonte | sorry, havent html'ed in a while either X) |
| 22:49.14 | Kremonte | just been WoWing |
| 22:49.30 | End | oh, cuz I was wondering what the h tag was :P |
| 22:49.33 | Guillotine | did you just verb "WoW"? |
| 22:49.37 | End | hr I know about though |
| 22:49.42 | Kremonte | yes, i WoW all the time |
| 22:50.02 | Kremonte | haha. sucks to be you |
| 22:50.22 | GenNMX | Ooo, linky to sig please |
| 22:50.28 | Cairenn | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/images/beladona_wowi.jpg |
| 22:50.44 | Cairenn | gorgeous! |
| 22:50.54 | End | purty |
| 22:50.59 | GenNMX | Wow, did you draw that just now? |
| 22:51.14 | Beladona | nono |
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| 22:51.51 | Beladona | Kremonte, the xml that you need the horizontal line in? is it for wow or the web? |
| 22:52.04 | SP|Sorren | oooo |
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| 22:52.06 | SP|Sorren | who drew that? |
| 22:52.17 | GenNMX | Kremonte, for WoW I think you need to draw the line. |
| 22:52.26 | cladhaire | Evening. |
| 22:52.27 | Kremonte | =( |
| 22:52.30 | Cairenn | hey cladhaire |
| 22:52.40 | Beladona | am not sure if I am gonna keep that sig up |
| 22:52.55 | Beladona | as long as the artist doesn't mind me using it |
| 22:53.45 | Beladona | anyway |
| 22:53.52 | cladhaire | So Cair.. Curse-Gaming send me a birthday card.. and I look excitedly.. and I get nothing from WoWI. I cried. |
| 22:53.52 | Beladona | you can find a lot of nice stuff like that here: http://www.bluemoonrising.com/ |
| 22:54.58 | Elkano | BTW: Why are Beladona's 'groups' in the forums listed horizontaly (author, s.mod) but verticaly in the file comments? bug in the page code? |
| 22:55.19 | Beladona | you mean horizontally in the comments |
| 22:55.21 | pagefault | elder scrolls 4 looks amazing |
| 22:55.27 | Beladona | and vertically in the forums |
| 22:55.32 | Beladona | yeah its a bug |
| 22:55.39 | Elkano | oh, yea... stupid me... |
| 22:57.06 | Beladona | <-- playing on Draka |
| 22:57.10 | Beladona | hehe |
| 22:58.13 | Cairenn | cladhaire: we don't have it set up to send automated birthday greetings, sorry |
| 22:58.37 | cladhaire | <-- kidding =) |
| 22:58.39 | Bela|WOW | when is your birthday |
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| 22:58.46 | cladhaire | today imo |
| 22:59.07 | Bela|WOW | imo? |
| 22:59.14 | cladhaire | lol sorry |
| 22:59.16 | Cairenn | I'd rather give them myself, if I know, then have some computer generated script |
| 22:59.26 | Cairenn | so, happy birthday cladhaire :) |
| 22:59.35 | cladhaire | my friends and I use imo casually, wherever it shouldn't be used =) |
| 22:59.36 | Bela|WOW | yeah clad, php loves you, happy birthday |
| 22:59.40 | Bela|WOW | 0.o |
| 22:59.40 | cladhaire | Thanks all |
| 23:00.13 | Bela|WOW | seriously though, happy birthday |
| 23:00.20 | Cide | happy birthday |
| 23:00.30 | cladhaire | thanks thanks =) |
| 23:00.48 | cladhaire | I'm still sick so I'm not doing much exciting. |
| 23:01.27 | Bela|WOW | should come play on Draka.Horde |
| 23:01.37 | cladhaire | i'm working on my druid.. thanks tho =) |
| 23:12.19 | Legorol | Guillotine or Kremonte around? |
| 23:12.26 | Guillotine | legorol: yup |
| 23:12.28 | Guillotine | were on gobby |
| 23:12.34 | Legorol | I wanted to get permission to use Panda in my guild |
| 23:12.38 | Guillotine | of course :) |
| 23:12.42 | Guillotine | its publicly released |
| 23:12.42 | Legorol | i know it's work in progress and unreleased stuff |
| 23:12.45 | Legorol | is it? |
| 23:12.46 | Guillotine | its released |
| 23:12.48 | Guillotine | check on WoWI |
| 23:12.49 | Legorol | woot |
| 23:12.53 | Guillotine | only in beta part, but still released |
| 23:13.02 | Legorol | then i'm definitely getting it |
| 23:13.07 | Guillotine | just let us know about any bugs you find :) |
| 23:13.09 | Legorol | are you likely to make any changes to the saved data structure? |
| 23:13.16 | Legorol | sure, will bug you about bugs ;-) |
| 23:13.16 | Guillotine | probably not |
| 23:13.22 | Guillotine | but we are making changes |
| 23:13.27 | Guillotine | just added factinfo for example |
| 23:13.31 | Guillotine | oh-wait |
| 23:13.46 | Guillotine | you will have to use /script to edit user levels at the moment |
| 23:13.49 | Legorol | all i would need to know is if i need to wipe the savedvars for some update |
| 23:13.50 | Guillotine | kremonte is building a gui |
| 23:13.55 | Guillotine | no |
| 23:14.04 | Legorol | ok, you plan to make it backwards compat? |
| 23:14.10 | Guillotine | always :) |
| 23:14.13 | Legorol | because then i can start adding serious stuff for my guild |
| 23:14.34 | Guillotine | if we dont make it backwards campatable, I can jsut make a plugin that will port it |
| 23:14.57 | Guillotine | so yes, you can start populating it with data :) |
| 23:15.25 | Legorol | goodie |
| 23:21.09 | Legorol | is there a legend for the wowi downloads section? |
| 23:21.22 | Legorol | for example what is a red star next to a mod, or when does the New/Updated flag appear next to a mod? |
| 23:22.12 | Cairenn | star denotes it's been downloaded X number of times (can't recall exact number at this time) |
| 23:22.29 | Cairenn | new/updated is whenever something is new/updated |
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| 23:24.17 | Legorol | ok, but what counts as "updated" |
| 23:24.21 | Legorol | and when does the updated flag disappear |
| 23:24.33 | Cairenn | any change = updated |
| 23:24.43 | Cairenn | iirc, the flag is there for ... 3? ... days? |
| 23:24.50 | Legorol | right |
| 23:25.00 | Legorol | so it's not tied at all to the user's last visit or some such |
| 23:25.04 | Cairenn | no |
| 23:25.16 | Legorol | ok thanks |
| 23:25.41 | Tem | Cairenn, the "winter" version of your logo doesn't line up with the background of the rest of the site |
| 23:25.50 | Tem | and OCD won't let me forget it |
| 23:25.51 | Tem | >< |
| 23:25.55 | Cairenn | okay, actually, it's longer than 3 days |
| 23:26.06 | Cairenn | Legorol: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=19&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate |
| 23:26.10 | Cairenn | look at the dates |
| 23:26.38 | Cairenn | groupheal, last updated on the 9th, shows no tag ... showcastbar, uploaded on the 10th, does |
| 23:26.50 | Cairenn | today is the 17th ... so, 10 days |
| 23:26.56 | Guillotine | wow. its amazing what a PUG can do if they all listen to one person. for like the first time ever, I had a PUG listen to me. 2000 to 100 |
| 23:27.10 | Cairenn | errr, 7 days |
| 23:27.12 | Cairenn | sheesh |
| 23:27.22 | Cairenn | Tem: yell at Dolby ;) |
| 23:27.52 | Legorol | thanks Cairenn |
| 23:29.41 | Legorol | patch chances on Tuesday? |
| 23:30.02 | Cairenn | according to the little birdies, not happening |
| 23:30.14 | Cairenn | whether the little birdy is correct or not *shrug* |
| 23:30.34 | Legorol | depends on where the little birdie picks its worms |
| 23:31.02 | Cairenn | well, considering everyone knows who the little birdy is that I'm talking about ... ;) |
| 23:31.12 | Legorol | right |
| 23:31.23 | Legorol | good thing you are such a bird lover |
| 23:31.30 | Legorol | it means we have early pickings at worms ;-) |
| 23:31.51 | norganna | http://www.despair.com/doitlater.html |
| 23:32.02 | Legorol | norganna, i'll look later.. |
| 23:32.08 | Tain | Someone just killed something I spawned for a quest, and then told me, "FCK YOU" |
| 23:32.10 | norganna | heheh |
| 23:32.28 | norganna | report themto a gm |
| 23:32.31 | Bela|WOW | yup |
| 23:32.33 | Legorol | Tain, yes, humanity is full of considerate, kind and helpful people |
| 23:32.38 | Legorol | who go out their way to be nice to you |
| 23:32.40 | Cairenn | definitely, report |
| 23:32.45 | Legorol | you are too naive if you didn't know that already :D |
| 23:33.31 | norganna | not for killing your spawn... report them for deliberatly bypassing the profanity filter |
| 23:33.49 | Cairenn | Legorol: the exact words the little birdy whispered in my ear (per this topic) was: "I don't think so." |
| 23:33.53 | Cide | I bet patch is up on tue btw |
| 23:33.55 | Tain | Here I just assumed he didn't know how to spell. |
| 23:34.01 | Cide | why would they take the realms down otherwise? |
| 23:34.39 | Bela|WOW | same reason they took them down last week |
| 23:34.43 | Bela|WOW | and didn't patch |
| 23:35.18 | Cide | The Test Realm shutdown concludes this phase of public PTR testing of the 1.9 patch. |
| 23:35.18 | Cide | We would like to thank all of those that participated in the testing of this patch and for all of the amazing feedback. Our design team has received invaluable information from the forums, through emails, and from shadowing guilds in Ahn'Qiraj. Your efforts are greatly appreciated. |
| 23:35.40 | Cide | I would say that seems pretty "final" to me |
| 23:36.08 | Bela|WOW | wtf, 1494 ping on Draka |
| 23:36.22 | Cairenn | norganna: one thing that's been noted, and has held true thus far ... they wait *at least* a solid week between the last patch on the Test server before going live with it ... there has been a patch since Tuesday |
| 23:36.31 | Cairenn | that's not saying it won't happen |
| 23:36.36 | norganna | eek |
| 23:36.39 | Cairenn | just saying that that has been the pattern thus far |
| 23:36.48 | norganna | i ain't arguing with ya :) |
| 23:37.02 | Legorol | Cairenn, i vaguely remember a PTR patch on a Sunday, with them releasing the stuff live on the Tuesday immediately afterwords |
| 23:37.05 | Legorol | i might be wrong though |
| 23:37.12 | Bela|WOW | no you are right |
| 23:37.16 | Cairenn | damnit, not norgs, Cide |
| 23:37.32 | Cide | only thing is, I was going to fix the last ctmod bugs tomorrow... so we're gonna have a couple of bugs go live with 1.9 :/ |
| 23:37.51 | Cairenn | sorry 'bout that |
| 23:38.01 | Legorol | meh, i was going to work on some 1.9 stuff tomorrow, it being a Sunday |
| 23:38.02 | Cide | didn't think it would happen that early, so it kinda sucks |
| 23:38.04 | Legorol | i guess there goes that plan |
| 23:38.08 | Cairenn | Legorol: has there been? bleh |
| 23:38.14 | Legorol | i am not sure |
| 23:38.20 | Legorol | my memory is not what it used to be |
| 23:38.30 | Cairenn | I really really hope they wait until Jan |
| 23:38.42 | norganna | if not tuesday, then it will be in january |
| 23:38.44 | Cairenn | this is *not* the time to be releasing content patches |
| 23:38.54 | norganna | i don't think they will do it over christmas |
| 23:38.57 | Cairenn | well, theoretically they could release it on the 27th ... |
| 23:39.02 | norganna | they'd have to be nuts |
| 23:39.03 | Legorol | i think they might want to push it before Christmas for PR reasons.. |
| 23:39.09 | Cairenn | releasing this tuesday is just as stupid though |
| 23:39.12 | norganna | (maybe they are... who knows) |
| 23:39.22 | Cairenn | oh, they are nuts, trust me on that one ;) |
| 23:39.34 | Cairenn | damn do they know how to have fun |
| 23:39.42 | Cairenn | (the good type of nuts) |
| 23:39.50 | Tain | I have dry roasted peanuts. |
| 23:40.23 | Cairenn | Legorol: that is the *only* reason I can see for them to push it this week ... PR |
| 23:40.46 | Legorol | unfortunately, since releasing WoW, Blizzard has started concentrating more on PR than quality :( |
| 23:40.52 | Cairenn | make all the people that have time off to play over the christmas holidays happy |
| 23:40.55 | Legorol | i used to respect their almost flawless releases |
| 23:41.00 | Tain | Yeah but, I'm not sure how that really is PR. I mean they're not going to get any last minute Christmas shoppers saying, "Oh they released the new patch! We should buy WoW now!" |
| 23:41.03 | Legorol | but i guess that's impossible with a project as grand as WoW |
| 23:41.27 | Legorol | Tain, no, but it will mean people will play WoW over christmas |
| 23:41.38 | Cairenn | Tain ... not for new people, for existing ... re-subscriptions |
| 23:41.40 | Legorol | it also matters what existing customers do over the holiday |
| 23:41.53 | Legorol | resubscriptions, and for retention as well |
| 23:42.09 | Legorol | bored l60s would get hooked to another game over christmas |
| 23:42.10 | norganna | i think there will be enough people playing wow over christmas |
| 23:42.11 | Cairenn | how many people got WoW for Christmas last year, and thus their subscriptions may be up |
| 23:42.29 | Legorol | that's a good point, Cairenn |
| 23:42.35 | Cairenn | give them something new to play with over the holidays = happy = resubscribe |
| 23:43.21 | Tain | I guess. |
| 23:43.25 | Legorol | what was the last test realm build? |
| 23:43.34 | Legorol | mine is at 4904, was there a patch since then? |
| 23:43.45 | Legorol | ok i guess i'll check wdn :-) |
| 23:43.47 | futrtrubl | anyone know what happened to Iriel? |
| 23:43.54 | Cairenn | from a "PR" point of view, that's something Blizz needs to take a lesson from SOE ... SOE has always had an expansion for Christmas |
| 23:44.05 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: gone home to England for the holidays |
| 23:44.13 | futrtrubl | ahhhh |
| 23:44.15 | Cairenn | left on Thursday |
| 23:44.19 | Cairenn | back in a couple weeks |
| 23:44.23 | futrtrubl | cool |
| 23:44.23 | Bela|WOW | there are things to be said for not pushing a major patch out before holidays too |
| 23:44.31 | Legorol | tbh, i don't think Blizz should take PR lessons from SOE |
| 23:44.39 | Bela|WOW | many companies have pushed a patch, and then their tech support was closed to christmas |
| 23:44.49 | Bela|WOW | and all the customers complained |
| 23:44.51 | Tain | Actually I don't think it matters too much either way. |
| 23:44.53 | Legorol | personally i much prefered their "we will be done when we are done" attitude in the past |
| 23:44.55 | Cairenn | took his laptop, said he'd *try* to hook in a time or two while he was over there, but could make no promises |
| 23:45.01 | Legorol | this new thing must be being pushed by managers.. |
| 23:45.12 | Legorol | contents on test realm always feels unfinished when they finish the test phase |
| 23:45.18 | Legorol | they release stuff with known bugs etc. |
| 23:45.19 | Legorol | not good |
| 23:45.27 | Tain | Unless the patch is game-changing it's not going to affect people's (en masse) decisions as to whether to play or not. |
| 23:45.42 | Legorol | Ahn'Qiraj is pretty game changing |
| 23:45.57 | Legorol | you need whole server's cooperation to open it, right? i have no idea how it goes, but |
| 23:46.11 | Legorol | that's the sort of thing you might want your customers to do over christmas |
| 23:46.21 | Tain | I have no idea. I just assumed it was another high-end high-level dungeon. |
| 23:46.34 | Legorol | afaik, it's a new zone or something that's initially closed off |
| 23:46.40 | Legorol | i am sure others who spent more time on test can tell you better |
| 23:46.53 | Legorol | but it requires efforts from many players on the realm to open access to the zone on a per realm basis |
| 23:47.37 | Legorol | personally i will be unhappy if they relesae it before christmas :( |
| 23:47.39 | Tain | They'll make their decisions of what to do of course. My company, for example, puts in a "Change Freeze" from a week or so before Christmas until a week or so after New Years. |
| 23:47.45 | Legorol | i will not have much time to play over the holiday, with visits home etc. |
| 23:47.51 | Legorol | and wouldn't wish to miss out on a server-wide event |
| 23:48.01 | Tain | No changes to any systems unless it's to fix problems. |
| 23:49.02 | Cairenn | that's what I've been hoping they do Tain ... as I said, while in some ways from a PR stand point, it might be a good idea to release this week ... otoh, what a stupid stupid time to release, when so many of *their* people will be on holidays |
| 23:49.51 | Cairenn | and if they have problems with it and can't fix them, then all the "good" PR of releasing for Christmas is undone by the "bad" PR of the problems and lack of fixes |
| 23:50.11 | Tain | Yeah. But I know better than to try to guess what the big "decision makers" ar egoing to do. |
| 23:50.28 | Cairenn | yup |
| 23:50.39 | Cairenn | all I can do is tell you guys what that certain little birdy tells me |
| 23:50.44 | Tain | Second guessing them after the fact, that's a lot easier. :) |
| 23:50.51 | Cairenn | and he may be wrong |
| 23:51.18 | Legorol | you know, i know that the UI community is just a minority, and that Blizzard has no obligations towards us whatsoever |
| 23:51.34 | Legorol | still, i think it wouldn't be too bad if they had a tentative ETA posted in say the UI forums |
| 23:51.46 | Legorol | not in General, because then people would flame Blizz if they don't hold themselves to it |
| 23:51.51 | Legorol | but it makes it easier to plan AddOn releases |
| 23:52.07 | Cairenn | they couldn't though Lego, for the same reason |
| 23:52.24 | Cairenn | think about it |
| 23:52.36 | Cairenn | sure, there are reasonable folk there, but we are still outnumbered |
| 23:53.02 | Cairenn | and the instant they posted it there, it'd be linked in General |
| 23:53.16 | Legorol | true |
| 23:53.30 | Legorol | i do realise it's not going to happen, only saying it'd be nice |
| 23:53.38 | Tain | They could just tell me. |
| 23:53.41 | Tain | I won't tell anyone |
| 23:53.43 | Tain | Promise |
| 23:54.03 | Guillotine | right |
| 23:54.04 | Tain | (Actually I wouldn't, because I'd forget anyway.) |
| 23:54.11 | Guillotine | lol |
| 23:54.15 | Kremonte | lol |
| 23:54.26 | Tain | I'd have to put it on my calendar at work. |
| 23:54.39 | Tain | "What's this 0900 patch day circled in red?" |
| 23:54.42 | Tain | Uh... nothing. |
| 23:54.48 | Guillotine | lol |
| 23:54.49 | Cairenn | otoh, they know that there is a conduit to the community, and they use it |
| 23:54.53 | Kremonte | Guillotine - > gobby |
| 23:55.06 | Cairenn | but it's much less abused this way |
| 23:55.41 | Cairenn | those that "need to know" find out, without the ravening masses ... at the very least, we (usually) have a minimum of a week's notice |
| 23:56.19 | Legorol | Cairenn, i appreciate the necessity to hold this information to a reasonably tight circle |
| 23:56.31 | Legorol | however i am never comfortable with "backdoor access" so to speak |
| 23:56.52 | Legorol | of course it's better than nothing |
| 23:56.53 | Cairenn | meh, define backdoor access |
| 23:57.14 | Legorol | well, the one that is in a dark alley behind the building with no security cameras and requiring a secretly forged key ;-) |
| 23:57.47 | Cairenn | lemme point out a couple things to you |
| 23:57.56 | Cairenn | "WoWInterface is proud to be an Official Member of the Blizzard Fan Site Program." |
| 23:58.31 | GenNMX | Yes, that's because Cairenn snuggles slouken regularly ;) |
| 23:59.02 | Cairenn | 2. That means that we signed a NDA with them ... there are tons of stuff we know about that we don't discuss |
| 23:59.04 | Legorol | rofl |
| 23:59.39 | Cairenn | 3. Slouken's bosses and co-workers know that we are friends and correspond on a daily basis, and they know that I only pass along that which is "okay" to pass along |
