| 00:00.07 | Cairenn | if they didn't agree with it, he wouldn't tell me anything at all |
| 00:00.27 | Legorol | so you are putting my mind at ease, and saying anything you do say is OK for us to hear |
| 00:00.29 | Legorol | that's reassuring |
| 00:00.44 | Cairenn | 4. Slouken isn't my only friend at Blizz |
| 00:00.57 | Legorol | you have more? do tell ;-) |
| 00:01.07 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:01.07 | GenNMX | And 4. Snuggling. Lots, and lots of snuggling. With all of Blizzard. Even KDM. |
| 00:01.19 | GenNMX | Wait, make that 5. |
| 00:01.24 | Cairenn | GenNMX: you'd be surprised to discover the truth of that statement |
| 00:01.25 | Legorol | Btw, notice to Draka.Horde: |
| 00:01.28 | Tain | Make good snoo snoo |
| 00:01.37 | Legorol | whenever i am on, i will be running Guillotine & Kremonte's Panda under the alias "Lego" |
| 00:01.47 | GenNMX | Cairenn: I'm going by your posts on the forums ;) |
| 00:01.48 | Legorol | feel free to (ab)use the bot as much as you like |
| 00:01.52 | Guillotine | haha |
| 00:01.54 | GenNMX | WoW forums, that is. |
| 00:02.13 | Cairenn | Caydiem and I have been friends & guildmates for a number of years, over a number of games |
| 00:02.34 | Cairenn | along with any number of other folk in the gaming industry |
| 00:03.13 | Cairenn | I've got friends that are Community Managers, Game Masters, Devs, Associate Designers, ... |
| 00:03.23 | Cairenn | some work for Blizz, some for SOE, some for SGO |
| 00:03.45 | Legorol | well connected... must mean lots of snuggles :-) |
| 00:03.52 | Cairenn | I just don't make an issue of it |
| 00:04.08 | Cairenn | this is the most forthcoming I've *ever* been about my connections within the industry |
| 00:04.12 | GenNMX | *insert typical male derogatory statement about a lot of "connections" here* |
| 00:04.21 | Kremonte | if i do: local ActionInfo = stuff; |
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| 00:04.27 | Kremonte | then later i do ActionInfo = ActionInfo .. stuff; |
| 00:04.33 | Kremonte | is ActionInfo still local? |
| 00:04.59 | Legorol | yes |
| 00:05.17 | Kremonte | k, thanks |
| 00:05.32 | GenNMX | That's evil code Kremonte >< That's why I like to declare all my variables at top of scope |
| 00:05.33 | Legorol | from the point you have local ActionInfo, up until you exit that block, ActionInfo forever stays local |
| 00:05.48 | Legorol | no easy way to access any global ActionInfo, or any that is an upvalue |
| 00:06.19 | GenNMX | "if i do" <-- would the reverse of that be "if i don't" ? |
| 00:08.11 | Legorol | no, reverse would be "if i don't do" |
| 00:08.55 | GenNMX | Worse, "if not i do" sounds like an identity crisis! |
| 00:14.36 | Kremonte | GenNMX - i didn't hand most of it |
| 00:14.38 | Kremonte | handle* |
| 00:14.43 | Kremonte | Guillotine did ;x |
| 00:15.15 | Guillotine | ya. i did most of the lua code |
| 00:15.18 | Guillotine | kremonte did the gui |
| 00:15.22 | Guillotine | and some of the lua code |
| 00:15.27 | Kremonte | Guillotine is a newbie |
| 00:15.31 | Kremonte | woops, hes here |
| 00:15.46 | Guillotine | no. my way makes plugins much easier to make |
| 00:15.47 | Guillotine | so ha |
| 00:15.49 | Guillotine | i win |
| 00:16.02 | Kremonte | your way uses more memory >< |
| 00:18.05 | Legorol | you two, get back to gobby |
| 00:18.13 | Legorol | :-) |
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| 00:19.00 | Depherios | Hello |
| 00:21.05 | Cairenn | hey Depherios |
| 00:22.38 | Depherios | ... stupid queue on Draka... continually makes me not want to play on it, lol |
| 00:25.07 | Guillotine | i like pooping the global namespace |
| 00:33.30 | Legorol | queue is very small |
| 00:33.33 | Legorol | few minutes at most |
| 00:33.46 | Depherios | it was over 100 when I tried, but it went fast... was maybe 3 minutes |
| 00:34.18 | norgs|shopping | anyone know when i get ghost-wolf? |
| 00:34.27 | Kolth | 20 |
| 00:34.28 | Legorol | 20 i think |
| 00:34.38 | Legorol | useful in the barrens ;-) |
| 00:34.40 | Cairenn | 20 |
| 00:34.50 | Legorol | people, come play on Draka! we are lonely |
| 00:37.17 | pagefault | bleh flax oil |
| 00:37.17 | Cairenn | Legorol: who all is in? |
| 00:37.23 | Legorol | not much :/ |
| 00:37.31 | Legorol | Depherios, Lozareth and me |
| 00:37.37 | Legorol | not worth logging in for :-) |
| 00:37.49 | Cairenn | ... |
| 00:37.51 | Cairenn | >< |
| 00:38.19 | Cairenn | I'm just enjoying my book, otherwise I'd be in |
| 00:38.31 | Guillotine | so... are we ever going to get a WoWI vent server? |
| 00:38.36 | Guillotine | cairenn: what book? |
| 00:38.40 | Cairenn | probably not Guillotine |
| 00:38.58 | Cairenn | Jacqueline Carey's "Kushiel's Dart" |
| 00:39.13 | Guillotine | never heard of it. but glad your enjoying it :) |
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| 00:39.41 | Cairenn | Guillotine: given your age, likely just as well, and I'm not trying to be insulting |
| 00:39.47 | Cairenn | hey Mondinga :) |
| 00:39.50 | Mondinga | yo |
| 00:40.18 | Guillotine | hello :) |
| 00:40.24 | AnduinLothar | anyone know how to disab;e the Auto-table of contents on the wiki? |
| 00:43.28 | cladhaire | its a tag like.. __NOTOC__ |
| 00:43.29 | cladhaire | or somethingl ike that |
| 00:44.27 | cladhaire | should be __NOTOC__ |
| 00:44.54 | AnduinLothar | thx, ill test it |
| 00:49.14 | Tain | I'd log in but I'm just getting myself unprocrastinated on something I need to do this weekend. |
| 00:49.23 | Depherios | hey Anduin... does Mcom have Sea's hook functions? |
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| 00:50.05 | Depherios | I know it has Mcom.util.hook -- but I don't know how compatibility is used |
| 00:50.11 | AnduinLothar | it has some substitutes if sea is not availible. else it just works as a wrapper and calls the sea ones |
| 00:50.21 | Depherios | ahh good |
| 00:51.01 | Depherios | Thanks |
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| 01:05.57 | Legorol | gnight |
| 01:06.10 | Cairenn | night Legorol, sweet dreams |
| 01:18.31 | pagefault | what is the best way to get to IF if you are horde? |
| 01:19.12 | Guillotine | down from Tarren mill |
| 01:19.21 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 01:19.32 | pagefault | damn |
| 01:19.34 | pagefault | thats a long run |
| 01:20.03 | Guillotine | haha. some guy says in IF general: I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I say "if you were, you wouldn't be stupid enough to tell everyone in WoW" then "er... wait. hello Mr. president sir" |
| 01:20.47 | Guillotine | hopefully I won't get suspended for political whatever like nat did for her santa post >_< |
| 01:22.08 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:22.53 | pagefault | I tried to duel a mage today but I summoned my felhunter and he fleed |
| 01:22.57 | pagefault | it was funny |
| 01:23.27 | pagefault | I was disappointed he didn't try though |
| 01:23.32 | Guillotine | lol |
| 01:25.17 | Depherios | Warlock first though, they have more neat abilities to tinker with (and UI edit for!) |
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| 01:29.39 | Tain | Damn, only got about 75% done with what I was working on before the rum kicked in. |
| 01:31.28 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:36.01 | AnduinLothar | there we go. much better: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_%28Full_List%29 |
| 01:37.00 | AnduinLothar | an updating nightmare, but so much easier to find things |
| 01:37.03 | pagefault | haha |
| 01:37.10 | pagefault | "hey any chance you could group and summon me?" |
| 01:37.13 | pagefault | yeah right |
| 01:37.13 | Beladona | that had to take a while |
| 01:37.46 | Cairenn | wow, nice work Karl |
| 01:38.02 | AnduinLothar | didn't take as long as my orig plan, which was just to make links to each of the individual events to make diting easir |
| 01:38.52 | AnduinLothar | woulda meant twice as much page loading and 10x as much work and you still would have to update it if you added an event |
| 01:39.23 | Beladona | yeah |
| 01:39.29 | Beladona | good work on the single page version |
| 01:39.52 | AnduinLothar | but i find my self just using the page search feature a lot without knowing what the name of the event is, so this should save me time in the future |
| 01:39.59 | Beladona | is it linked from the front page? |
| 01:40.02 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 01:40.07 | AnduinLothar | well |
| 01:40.12 | AnduinLothar | the event page |
| 01:40.30 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events |
| 01:40.40 | AnduinLothar | which is linked from the front |
| 01:41.07 | Beladona | I see that, but where is the page you just did? |
| 01:41.25 | AnduinLothar | below the indexed page links |
| 01:41.41 | Beladona | ahh I had to refresh |
| 01:41.49 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 01:42.15 | AnduinLothar | i just added it |
| 01:42.25 | Beladona | lol |
| 01:42.36 | AnduinLothar | meh? |
| 01:43.12 | AnduinLothar | i think it's time to reward myself with chile cheese corn dogs and cajun chickan ramen |
| 01:43.25 | Beladona | mmmm |
| 01:44.48 | Tain | I ordered barbecue chicken pizza |
| 01:44.51 | Tain | It's very tasty. |
| 01:44.55 | Cairenn | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 01:45.02 | Tain | With bits of bacon and red onions. |
| 01:45.08 | Cairenn | bbq chicken pizza |
| 01:45.18 | Tain | This place makes it so good. |
| 01:45.47 | Tain | They used to make a buffalo chicken pizza that I loved too, but the girl who made the best one isn't there anymore. :( |
| 01:46.43 | AnduinLothar | ya, there's a mom and pop pizza place like 2 min walk from here that's goodness, lil pricey for college student tho |
| 01:47.02 | AnduinLothar | and the ramen was like 5/$1 |
| 01:47.11 | Tain | That's the best kind. I don't ever order from the chain stores. |
| 01:47.24 | Tain | I have tons and tons of individually owned pizza places around me. |
| 01:47.37 | AnduinLothar | chain stores are good for middle of the night delivery for lan parties |
| 01:47.48 | Tain | Yeah |
| 01:48.04 | AnduinLothar | when u only get peperoni to go with your bawls and dew anyway |
| 01:50.23 | Tain | I'll do it. |
| 01:50.32 | Tain | But I still complain about it. |
| 01:50.34 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:50.44 | Tain | "I hate Dominos pizza!" *stuffs another slice* |
| 01:50.51 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 01:51.18 | AnduinLothar | well, u can complain about anything at a lan party |
| 01:51.33 | AnduinLothar | except other peoples computers being slow when u didn't bring ur own |
| 01:51.35 | Tain | True enough. |
| 01:51.41 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:51.46 | Tain | haha |
| 01:51.59 | AnduinLothar | that's just asking for wtfpwnage |
| 01:53.02 | Tain | I haven't actually had a lan party in mmmm actually could be 10 years. |
| 01:53.02 | AnduinLothar | wha, wha? O.o why karl get the wtfpwnage? |
| 01:53.06 | Depherios | ... before starcraft was out on the mac |
| 01:53.11 | Beladona | I got banned from my last lan party |
| 01:53.13 | Depherios | emulating windows |
| 01:53.16 | Cairenn | because he keeps saying wtfpwnage :p |
| 01:53.25 | AnduinLothar | LAAAME |
| 01:53.37 | Cairenn | oh hush, you love it and you know it |
| 01:53.42 | Tain | See my group of friends wasn't huge into Doom multi. Sure we did, but our poison of choice was Descent. |
| 01:53.49 | AnduinLothar | nah me and the old buddies are setting up a lan for next week since we're all home from school |
| 01:54.00 | Tain | Goddamn those were fun free-for-alls. |
| 01:54.03 | Depherios | kicking their rears on b-net and going YOU JUST GOT BEAT BY A TEAM ON MACS BOOYEAH |
| 01:54.12 | Cairenn | lol Depherios |
| 01:54.20 | Depherios | and they're like NUH UH |
| 01:54.28 | Depherios | "It's not out on the mac yet" |
| 01:54.35 | Depherios | had to use hotkeys to do EVERYTHING though |
| 01:54.36 | AnduinLothar | ya, I'm the OG mac guy in my grp, but i've gotten most of them converted. ipod first, then ibook |
| 01:54.39 | Depherios | the mouse didn't emulate right |
| 01:54.47 | Tain | You want to hear something funny though.. |
| 01:54.48 | Depherios | lagged around :P |
| 01:55.10 | Tain | The worst, and I mean absolute worst bar NONE, smack talk I've ever been a part of during a multiplayer game session was... |
| 01:55.23 | Tain | Multiplayer Pong on the Atari 2600 a couple of years ago. |
| 01:55.24 | AnduinLothar | it's still fun to bring my G5 to lans and pwn everyone at DotA |
| 01:55.41 | Tain | There were almost fisticuffs. |
| 01:55.52 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:56.21 | AnduinLothar | this time it'll be sexy, I'll just set my 20" widescreen on top of my powermac and settle in for some wtfpwnage |
| 01:56.26 | Tain | Pong and Warlords. 4 plyaers, dual paddle controllres. |
| 01:56.30 | Tain | It was insanity of the highest scale. |
| 01:56.50 | AnduinLothar | I'm very tempted to mod my mac and make my monitor attach to the removable side panel |
| 01:57.18 | AnduinLothar | what are u on? i have sc and diablo both on mac |
| 01:57.21 | Depherios | Anduin: I just pictured your Mac as a giant Gameboy SP |
| 01:57.24 | AnduinLothar | they just came out late |
| 01:57.31 | Depherios | "never" being an overexaggeration |
| 01:57.37 | Beladona | I miss SC |
| 01:57.41 | AnduinLothar | w/e Blizz codevs now |
| 01:57.45 | Depherios | I got my PC when they delayed SC because they'd just released Diablo |
| 01:57.47 | Beladona | but unfortunately the locked res is very annoying |
| 01:58.11 | Depherios | well, no I had it before, because I had to get SC the day it came out |
| 01:58.12 | AnduinLothar | haven't played sc on my widescreen, wonder how that turns out |
| 01:58.20 | Beladona | well |
| 01:58.21 | Depherios | but I updated it the day they delayed SC XD and that was the end |
| 01:58.39 | AnduinLothar | well if ur all about gaming, u don't go mac anyway |
| 01:58.44 | Beladona | you can do fixed aspect ration scaling |
| 01:58.50 | Beladona | but it wont be sidescreen |
| 01:58.56 | Beladona | widescreen rather |
| 01:58.59 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 01:59.05 | AnduinLothar | now i have to try |
| 01:59.14 | Beladona | SC doesn't have res options |
| 01:59.18 | Depherios | anybody here ever drop Tiberian Sun across multiple screens? |
| 01:59.21 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:59.23 | AnduinLothar | cause they did update to the carbon app well after apple uses solely widescreen |
| 01:59.24 | Beladona | so its 640x480 or nuthin |
| 01:59.51 | Depherios | Tiberian sun lets you use ANY res, so I used my three monitors to have a triple monitor game of Tiberian Sun... my res was wider than some maps XD |
| 01:59.52 | AnduinLothar | mmm, that doesn't sound right.. |
| 02:00.06 | Beladona | if you figure out how to get it to increase res, let me know |
| 02:00.09 | AnduinLothar | ya, i used to emu tib sun |
| 02:00.40 | AnduinLothar | back in the day i emu'd og command and conqure through SoftWindows on my 233 iMac |
| 02:00.50 | AnduinLothar | slow as freaking hell |
| 02:01.07 | Tain | heh heh.. yeah |
| 02:01.07 | AnduinLothar | played Railroad tycoon that way too. took forever |
| 02:01.23 | Tain | There was an x86 hardware card you could put in the Mac if I remember right that helped. |
| 02:01.32 | AnduinLothar | i didn't bother to pause when i made new costers |
| 02:01.40 | AnduinLothar | ya, but not in an imac |
| 02:01.48 | AnduinLothar | and that was the fam compy and i was broke |
| 02:02.02 | AnduinLothar | $100 for softwindows was too much anyway |
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| 02:02.26 | AnduinLothar | but it also let me use the msdos to run the first MPQ2K |
| 02:02.51 | AnduinLothar | and i ran MacStarcraftLair for a while |
| 02:03.16 | AnduinLothar | porting mods to mac |
| 02:05.14 | Kremonte | ffs.. |
| 02:05.34 | Kremonte | ordered an xbox 360 for my brother middle of october, now they're out of stock because MS didnt ship them |
| 02:05.53 | Kremonte | best buy is having a first-come first-serve of some tomorrow, they open at 11am and theres 45 people camped out there |
| 02:06.00 | Kremonte | that is crazy |
| 02:06.11 | Beladona | lol |
| 02:06.17 | AnduinLothar | ah, ur right bel. scales, no widescreen |
| 02:06.22 | Tain | There was a 22 year old girl who posted an ad on craigslist.org in this area saying she'd exchange "whatever you wanted" for an Xbox 360 |
| 02:06.22 | Beladona | you do realize that some of that is MS engineered |
| 02:06.24 | Kremonte | its 20 degrees F right now, and its getting colder |
| 02:06.32 | Beladona | they create a shortage to get demand high |
| 02:06.32 | Kremonte | Beladona, i know |
| 02:07.15 | Beladona | Anduin, I haven't tried using a wrapper, but it might be worth a try |
| 02:07.48 | Beladona | wish they would just do SC2 |
| 02:07.57 | Beladona | I would be all over that |
| 02:08.13 | Tain | You know in some ways I hope they don't. |
| 02:08.24 | Tain | Just because it would be so difficult to live up to expectations. |
| 02:08.30 | Beladona | yeah |
| 02:08.37 | Tain | Obviously I would love to have something that did. |
| 02:08.50 | Tain | I just don't want something disappointing. :( |
| 02:08.54 | Beladona | but trying to play SC on a flatpanel in a non-native res is really annoying |
| 02:08.59 | AnduinLothar | btw i think if you believe a recent slashdot article the 360 is selling cheeper than it costs to make |
| 02:09.24 | Tain | That's probably true, it was absolutely true with the Xbox. |
| 02:09.37 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:09.38 | AnduinLothar | hoping game sales and accessories will make most of the profit |
| 02:09.40 | Depherios | they're all that way |
| 02:09.42 | Depherios | every system |
| 02:09.48 | Depherios | they make the money on the software and accessories |
| 02:09.52 | Beladona | <- waiting for the PS3 |
| 02:09.56 | Depherios | although Xbox doesn't make money |
| 02:10.02 | Kremonte | wow |
| 02:10.06 | Beladona | I want a single system that can play my old games |
| 02:10.10 | Kremonte | this site selling them for $1k is out of stock |
| 02:10.14 | Depherios | Xbox is in nothing but debt |
| 02:10.16 | AnduinLothar | .. |
| 02:10.27 | AnduinLothar | 1K is soo bad |
| 02:10.30 | Depherios | well not debt XD |
| 02:10.33 | Tain | Hardware wise, but the software sales more than made up for it. |
| 02:10.33 | Kremonte | its worth $400.. |
| 02:10.41 | Depherios | no |
| 02:10.44 | Depherios | Xbox loses money |
| 02:10.48 | AnduinLothar | my fridn got one. they're nice... but i'd rather buy a new computer.. |
| 02:10.50 | Depherios | they just farm the Microsoft money |
| 02:10.54 | Depherios | this time they're trying to make money |
| 02:11.04 | Tain | No, the Xbox hardware lost money. The Xbox overall did not. |
| 02:11.18 | Depherios | but last time advertizing, givaways, the high cost of the system, pirating, the fact that millionds bought a 500 dollar system for 200 bucks just to buy Halo and nothing else... |
| 02:11.23 | Depherios | no |
| 02:11.25 | Tain | MS collected a license fee from every developer who made Xbox games. |
| 02:11.26 | Depherios | They made money ONE QUARTER |
| 02:11.29 | Depherios | of ONE YEAR |
| 02:11.38 | Depherios | the quarter Halo 2 came out |
| 02:11.42 | Depherios | and they didn't make much money |
| 02:11.44 | Tain | That's right. |
| 02:11.49 | Tain | That's that division. |
| 02:11.58 | Depherios | they lost more money the other 3 quarters than they made that one quarter |
| 02:11.58 | Tain | The money came in from the licenses. |
| 02:12.00 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:12.11 | Tain | They're not reflected there. |
| 02:12.25 | Tain | If the Xbox lost Microsoft money overall they wouldn't put out another one. |
| 02:12.49 | Tain | MS is a lot of things, but at the end of the day they push products that increase their bottom line. |
| 02:12.51 | Depherios | this one is geared to make money, less advertizing, less givaways, cheaper hardware, no piracy... and no Killer App for awhile |
| 02:13.01 | Tain | No piracy? |
| 02:13.05 | Depherios | well |
| 02:13.08 | Depherios | piracy is harder XD |
| 02:13.18 | Depherios | you can't go get a mod chip cheap, and never buy a game |
| 02:13.20 | Kremonte | how is piracy harder with an xbox 360 o_O |
| 02:13.20 | Tain | Come on. |
| 02:13.31 | Depherios | The original xbox used stock PC hardware |
| 02:13.41 | Depherios | mostly stock anyway |
| 02:13.42 | AnduinLothar | CE ew.. |
| 02:13.48 | Beladona | that didn't stop ps2 mod chips |
| 02:13.51 | Depherios | a lot easier to mod than the new one |
| 02:13.59 | Depherios | Bela, but a Ps2 mod chip is hard to install |
| 02:14.01 | Beladona | it will slow them down, but it will never stop it |
| 02:14.05 | Tain | Do you really think mod chips (or some equivilent) won't come out? |
| 02:14.06 | AnduinLothar | hte 360 interface stolr most of it's concepts from OS X... it's sick |
| 02:14.08 | Depherios | PS2 has more problems with HD loaders |
| 02:14.09 | Kremonte | Depherios - there are many that dont even require a solder |
| 02:14.14 | Tain | A PS2 mod chip is NOT hard to install. |
| 02:14.17 | Depherios | Tain: they will, but any idiot can't install them |
| 02:14.26 | Tain | Sure if we're in 1994 it was. |
| 02:14.28 | Depherios | Tain: have you seen the ones for the slim PS2? |
| 02:14.36 | Beladona | Deph |
| 02:14.43 | Beladona | thats been out what, a year? |
| 02:14.46 | Depherios | why do you think they made that XD -- no more HD loader, and even harder to mod |
| 02:14.54 | Beladona | and has a lot less room for modification |
| 02:14.55 | Tain | Harder is irrelevant. |
| 02:15.02 | Depherios | Bela, mods exsist, the problem is the Xbox was TOO EASY |
| 02:15.10 | Tain | All "harder" means is a couple of months longer. |
| 02:15.10 | Beladona | right |
| 02:15.16 | Depherios | Tain: to YOU |
| 02:15.16 | Beladona | but like I said, it won't stop anything |
| 02:15.25 | Tain | Depherios what are you talking about? |
| 02:15.32 | AnduinLothar | the avg idiot doesn't pirate games |
| 02:15.32 | Beladona | software is harder to copy with copy protection, but it can be done |
| 02:15.33 | Depherios | I work in a video game store... Xbox piracy is a LOT more common because it's easier to mod |
| 02:15.39 | Tain | No |
| 02:15.43 | Depherios | They pirate Xbox games Anduin, it's too easy... |
| 02:15.45 | Depherios | already has an HDD |
| 02:15.48 | Tain | It's common because the people who made the mods MADE it easy. |
| 02:15.50 | Depherios | you don't have to copy disks |
| 02:15.57 | Tain | The same with PS2. |
| 02:16.00 | Depherios | just rent a game, and it's yours |
| 02:16.03 | Tain | You saw it more with the Xbox because it was newer. |
| 02:16.22 | Beladona | you could do MORE with the xbox mod, granted |
| 02:16.24 | Depherios | Tain: network adaptor, mod chip, HDD that fits, chip is harder to install |
| 02:16.39 | Depherios | Bela: more people justify the Xbox mod chip for that reason as well, which makes it easier to sell, and easier to find |
| 02:16.52 | Depherios | We get customers that brag about their modded systems |
| 02:16.52 | Beladona | but the only thing the 360 hardware will do is give modders a delay in figuring out how to do it |
| 02:16.53 | Tain | The flaw in your thinking is that the XBox 360 won't have those issues? |
| 02:16.58 | Depherios | a LOT more modded Xboxes than PS2s |
| 02:17.22 | Tain | Again, that's a function of the fact that Xbox is newer and mod technology advances. |
| 02:17.27 | Beladona | of course you are guessing, as are we |
| 02:17.27 | Depherios | no, it'll be more like the PS2.... harder to do... can't drop in a huge HDD without paying MS for it... If they even release one |
| 02:17.30 | AnduinLothar | 360 has a usb2 port, right? |
| 02:17.50 | Depherios | And full networking support too... lol |
| 02:17.50 | Beladona | oh they will release an HDD |
| 02:17.52 | Tain | You don't need a huge HDD. That's hardly relevant except for extra convenience. |
| 02:18.12 | Depherios | Tain: copying disks is HARD to newbs |
| 02:18.15 | Tain | ? |
| 02:18.26 | Depherios | you have any idea how many forums there are with people who can't figure out why they can't copy Dual Layer disks? |
| 02:18.52 | Tain | I'm bowing out of this conversation at the risk of insulting someone. |
| 02:18.55 | AnduinLothar | hmm, new apples come with dual layer burnes |
| 02:18.56 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:19.05 | Depherios | Anduin, these people don't even know what "dual layer" is |
| 02:19.17 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 02:19.26 | AnduinLothar | so, why are we arguing about this? |
| 02:19.29 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:19.38 | Depherios | it's the whole reason the 360 is out so early? |
| 02:19.54 | AnduinLothar | xmas sales? |
| 02:19.56 | Beladona | when it comes down it, predictions are worth nothing. No one can really know for sure how the modding scene will change until the 360 has been out there a little while |
| 02:20.00 | Depherios | Nintendo and Sony both said '07 until MS came in and said '05 |
| 02:20.11 | Beladona | less people may be able to mod it |
| 02:20.18 | Beladona | but it won't stop people |
| 02:20.46 | Depherios | Bela: every modder is a drain on MS, they buy the system (MS loses money) they pirate games (MS makes no money) -- MS has to hope they make it up in what? controllers and DVD remotes? |
| 02:21.15 | Beladona | Gaming Developers actually like piracy in most cases |
| 02:21.19 | Beladona | did you know that? |
| 02:21.23 | Depherios | agreed |
| 02:21.35 | Beladona | typically the users that pirate would never buy the game |
| 02:21.37 | Cairenn | *shocked* say it isn't so! |
| 02:21.41 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:21.46 | Beladona | their games get more exposure via piracy |
| 02:22.14 | Depherios | it's interesting to see what devs have to say about the Rev... they all hope they can make SNES games and have them released over the 'net system XD |
| 02:22.25 | Beladona | the companies that are upset about piracy are not the developers |
| 02:22.28 | Tain | I pirated SNES games. |
| 02:22.31 | AnduinLothar | ya, but the devs dont get royalties, they get paid salery by the parent company |
| 02:22.32 | Beladona | they are the companies that publish teh games |
| 02:22.35 | Tain | Gmaes that I couldn't get anyother way. |
| 02:22.39 | Depherios | It'd be nice if Nintendo did that... small companies could make SNES games, and Nintendo could release them |
| 02:22.50 | Depherios | SNES, NES, or N64 for that matter |
| 02:22.53 | Tain | Because of localization. No you can't play Japanese games on yoru American system. |
| 02:23.01 | Depherios | Ditto Tain |
| 02:23.09 | Depherios | Seiken Densetsu games mostly... |
| 02:23.18 | Depherios | (the ones I get use out of, I mean) |
| 02:23.24 | Depherios | Mother |
| 02:23.29 | Depherios | and the like |
| 02:23.31 | Beladona | I think there is going to be a huge shift in the gaming industry in the coming years |
| 02:23.46 | Beladona | from store release to net release |
| 02:23.54 | Depherios | well right now there already has been one... the hardcore gamers are now a SMALL portion of the gaming community |
| 02:24.15 | AnduinLothar | unless ur in korea |
| 02:24.19 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:24.22 | Tain | Yep. |
| 02:24.47 | Tain | You really mean the US. |
| 02:24.54 | Depherios | well japan has been that way for awhile |
| 02:24.58 | Tain | Different percentages between the US and Japan. |
| 02:25.02 | Depherios | true |
| 02:25.09 | AnduinLothar | if i wanted to make money i'd move to korea and set up a progamer internet cafe |
| 02:25.59 | AnduinLothar | would have to make a floor for smoking and one for non-smoking |
| 02:26.30 | Tain | Places in Korea have been investigated a lot in the last copule of years for software piracy and the like. |
| 02:26.45 | Depherios | Personally though, after Microsoft screwed over everybody with the 360, I'm mad at them, not as mad as I was when they bought Rare, but still peeved... I'm STILL mad (and probably always will be) for sony being evil.. (i.e. defective systems and horizontal stands) ... so I'm only really looking foreward to the Revolution :P |
| 02:26.46 | AnduinLothar | have a variety of computer speeds, faster costs more to use |
| 02:26.50 | Tain | So just make sure you're on the up and up. :) |
| 02:27.24 | Tain | ehn, I don't hold a personal grudge against a corporation. |
| 02:27.34 | Tain | If I don't like their product I won't buy it. Pretty simple. |
| 02:27.43 | Depherios | I'm mad because I loved sony XD -- I STILL DO for EVERYTHING but the PS |
| 02:28.26 | Beladona | most of your dismay with the PS is personal though |
| 02:28.34 | Beladona | mine has worked for all the years I have had it |
| 02:28.35 | Depherios | no... |
| 02:28.42 | Depherios | they actually have been sued... |
| 02:28.44 | Depherios | they settled |
| 02:28.49 | Beladona | right |
| 02:28.51 | Beladona | but not by me |
| 02:28.54 | Depherios | lol, true |
| 02:28.55 | Tain | Name a large company that HASN'T been sued. |
| 02:29.00 | Depherios | I've never had issues before either |
| 02:29.04 | Beladona | that argument is baseless |
| 02:29.07 | Beladona | MS is still gettign sued |
| 02:29.10 | Beladona | ..... |
| 02:29.16 | Tain | That's how you make money today. |
| 02:29.17 | Tain | You sue someone. |
| 02:29.23 | Beladona | in fact there was just a case over the 360 |
| 02:29.28 | Depherios | Tain: they're sued because they kept releasing defective merchandice, they KNEW was defective, and saying it wasn't... -- which they did... and now MS did the same thing |
| 02:29.50 | Depherios | ise <-- |
| 02:29.53 | Tain | Frankly I don't care. |
| 02:29.55 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:29.56 | Beladona | I am fairly happy with the playstation line thus far |
| 02:29.59 | Tain | My PS and PS2 have worked forever. |
| 02:30.03 | Depherios | I do... I hate the way things break now |
| 02:30.15 | Beladona | and I will never leave the line that holds the square-enix license |
| 02:30.19 | Beladona | =D |
| 02:30.22 | Tain | My Atari 2600 still works, and my Sega Dreamcast still works. |
| 02:30.22 | Depherios | Tain: you don't work at a store where one gets returned every day |
| 02:30.30 | Tain | Not my problem. |
| 02:30.35 | Depherios | No, but it was mine XD |
| 02:30.40 | Tain | I decided a long time ago that retail was not my life's calling. |
| 02:30.45 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:31.00 | AnduinLothar | my nintendo still works |
| 02:31.13 | Beladona | my point is that defective systems doesn't mean they are ALL defective |
| 02:31.20 | Beladona | and that the entire line is faulty |
| 02:31.21 | Tain | Now that's a point, AnduinLothar. If you want to sue someone why not go after NES? |
| 02:31.29 | Beladona | the PS2 and PS were well done |
| 02:31.33 | Depherios | Bela: you didn't play DVDs in it, or have it vertical I bet |
| 02:31.35 | Beladona | the first iterations had issues |
| 02:31.49 | Beladona | but most companies have issues with retail products on first release |
| 02:31.55 | Depherios | Bela: those are the two things that killed the originals |
| 02:32.01 | Tain | Killes? |
| 02:32.03 | Beladona | mine is vertical right now |
| 02:32.04 | Tain | Killed? |
| 02:32.06 | Beladona | and plays dvds |
| 02:32.09 | Depherios | yeah |
| 02:32.21 | Depherios | Bela: you're very lucky then |
| 02:32.26 | Depherios | I have a friend like you |
| 02:32.31 | Depherios | bought it the day it came out, still has it |
| 02:32.34 | Depherios | rare cases :P |
| 02:32.45 | Beladona | I almost bought the new slim one |
| 02:32.48 | Beladona | but I figured why bother |
| 02:32.51 | Tain | I guess you can add me, and my brother, and three friends to that list then. |
| 02:32.52 | Beladona | my normal one works |
| 02:32.55 | Depherios | I work with two guys, one has had 4, and another 5... |
| 02:33.13 | Beladona | bear in mind, some people don't know how to take care of stuff |
| 02:33.25 | Depherios | the guy with five said he'd never buy another when the 4th broke, but bought a slim when they came out, since they don't break |
| 02:33.32 | AnduinLothar | for instance, dont spit into your NES while blowing |
| 02:33.37 | Beladona | haha |
| 02:33.51 | Beladona | and don't put clothes on top of your ps2, and then use it for extended periods |
| 02:33.57 | Beladona | got overheat? |
| 02:34.01 | Depherios | Bela: they treat them like glass, even the ones we take in... he one guy gets mad when people leave disks sitting on the counter cause they'll get dusty XD |
| 02:34.10 | Tain | Depherios I really think you've become a bit too jaded by listening to the complaints and giving them too much weight over the people who have no issues. |
| 02:34.14 | Depherios | -he +the |
| 02:34.31 | Cairenn | unh, my daughter's PS2 has worked fine from day 1, it's always on its side, and we played dvds in it all the time till we got a real dvd player |
| 02:34.32 | Beladona | I am one of those that trusts my own impressions |
| 02:34.36 | Beladona | of any product |
| 02:34.39 | Beladona | not other people |
| 02:34.55 | Depherios | the first PSone broke on a CAR TRIP |
| 02:34.58 | Depherios | minor bumps |
| 02:34.59 | Tain | Ah, good for you. Just keep in mind that those are your personal opinions and not facts. |
| 02:35.04 | Beladona | lol |
| 02:35.05 | Depherios | killed the 1st player analog |
| 02:35.05 | Beladona | car trip |
| 02:35.16 | Depherios | I.e. no bumps, careful treatment |
| 02:35.22 | Depherios | 20 minute ride |
| 02:35.35 | Depherios | got there... no 1st player... second just died one day |
| 02:36.04 | Tain | Are you sure it's not just your treatment of the systems? |
| 02:36.08 | Depherios | the PSX still works... sometimes... with some games... |
| 02:36.23 | Beladona | you are one of the unlucky ones.... |
| 02:36.27 | Beladona | lol |
| 02:36.27 | AnduinLothar | playing in a car a dvd player not meant for motion is not esp smart |
| 02:36.28 | Depherios | Tain: I don't move them unless I absolutely have to, they're well ventelated, I use first party products with them... |
| 02:36.43 | Depherios | ... the PSone was OFF during the trip |
| 02:36.58 | AnduinLothar | did u have a disk in it? |
| 02:36.59 | Depherios | in a padded camcorder bag |
| 02:37.01 | Tain | Anyway, you have your impressions. |
| 02:37.01 | Beladona | that sucks Deph |
| 02:37.04 | Beladona | feel bad for ya |
| 02:37.08 | Beladona | mine still works though |
| 02:37.10 | Tain | yeah |
| 02:37.11 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 02:37.13 | Tain | I feel bad |
| 02:37.23 | Depherios | lol... Nintendo |
| 02:37.24 | Depherios | not one |
| 02:37.27 | Depherios | not one thing has died |
| 02:37.28 | Beladona | but then I dont take mine on trips or dinner dates |
| 02:37.30 | Depherios | customers? |
| 02:37.33 | Depherios | do they return them? |
| 02:37.34 | Depherios | no |
| 02:37.43 | Depherios | I saw my first defective Used game boy SP today |
| 02:37.46 | Depherios | since they came out |
| 02:37.50 | Tain | Never had an NES do the blinking trying to put a cartridge in? |
| 02:38.03 | Depherios | Tain: that's an issue from people using game genie usually |
| 02:38.05 | AnduinLothar | lol. my game genie still works too cause i didn't get the top loading NES :P |
| 02:38.10 | Tain | Depherios that's absolute BS |
| 02:38.23 | Beladona | bear in mind you are also talking about a totally different demographic |
| 02:38.24 | Depherios | Tain: not from the hardware, from the bending of the plastic |
| 02:38.31 | Tain | oooh |
| 02:38.32 | Beladona | nintendo users are typically children |
| 02:38.38 | AnduinLothar | and yes. blinking is a fact of NES and has nothing to do with the game genie |
| 02:38.41 | Tain | So it's different |
| 02:38.42 | Beladona | where the parents are in charge of the equipment |
| 02:38.46 | Depherios | OH BLINKING |
| 02:39.00 | Depherios | sorry... I was thinking of the carttridges having to be in just right... |
| 02:39.06 | Tain | Nintendo can do no wrong when their systems don't work. |
| 02:39.13 | Tain | But Sony is evil. |
| 02:39.15 | Tain | I get it. |
| 02:39.40 | AnduinLothar | nah, NES, SNES and N64 all had typical cartrage loading issues |
| 02:40.44 | AnduinLothar | just comes from having a few dozen metal connectors that all have to conduct effectively and survive long term exposure to air and moisture |
| 02:41.03 | Depherios | but the system still works... it can be dropped, whatever... even the gamecube rarely has issues with it's moving parts like the other two... it still dies though, but not so often... -- it's an issue of durability... I still OWN a PS2... I still play PS2 games (if they aren't on the other two) -- but Nintendo TRIES to make their stuff last... Sony and MS don't |
| 02:41.35 | Tain | Ok. |
| 02:41.41 | Tain | At least I understand your bias now. |
| 02:41.44 | Depherios | they have an idea of quality control... did you know Sony and MS have whole divisions for dealing with retail returns? |
| 02:42.02 | Depherios | Nintendo? nope |
| 02:42.06 | Depherios | They don't need it |
| 02:42.12 | AnduinLothar | the hardware yeah, that's my experience. Nintendo has higher standards for quality control |
| 02:42.16 | Tain | That's *one* way to look at it. |
| 02:42.28 | Depherios | Tain: they sell more systems than the other two, if you count the handhelds |
| 02:42.52 | Tain | Oh so the Gameboy division also manufactues and handles the Gamecube division? |
| 02:42.54 | Beladona | Nintendo doesn't directly compete with the other two |
| 02:43.00 | Depherios | I rarely see a defective ANYTHING nintendo... people who mistreat get them broken (the SP that was broken had BITE MARKS on it) |
| 02:43.02 | Beladona | again, different demographic |
| 02:43.06 | Depherios | true Bela |
| 02:43.11 | Cairenn | (keep it civil folks) |
| 02:43.33 | Depherios | and Nintendo is the second largest hardware developer AND the second largest software developer |
| 02:43.40 | Beladona | anyway, I am going back to my shaman, I think she is hungry... |
| 02:43.43 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:44.21 | Depherios | it's a completely different scenario... Sony has standards for their diskman's TV's stereos, and I understand that it's different because they pay more to make it then you pay FOR it... |
| 02:44.28 | Tain | It isn't a competition, Beladona. |
| 02:44.44 | Tain | There's different environments for PC and console games. |
| 02:44.52 | Beladona | they both play games |
| 02:44.54 | Beladona | =P |
| 02:44.59 | Tain | That's a common factor, yes. |
| 02:45.03 | Depherios | but... why can't they make them NOT BREAK, or at least fix the problem when they find it (MS fixes the problem when they find it, sony just denies the problem exsists and hopes nobody notices?) |
| 02:45.06 | Beladona | that is what I am referring to |
| 02:45.17 | Tain | shhh Depherios the adults are talking now |
| 02:45.23 | Depherios | :P |
| 02:45.29 | Beladona | monkeys! |
| 02:45.46 | Beladona | anyone wanna help me get leather on Draka? |
| 02:45.51 | Depherios | Somebody is going to try to hybridize the two at some point... hopefully it'll fail |
| 02:45.52 | Beladona | trying to make the push to 200 |
| 02:45.55 | Tain | You don't typically get the same social game playing together around a PC than around a TV |
| 02:46.04 | Tain | Beladona are you trying to cut into my business? |
| 02:46.45 | Tain | Horde AH is so sad on Draka |
| 02:46.50 | Depherios | the PS3 isn't even called a "console" by them, they call it a "home entertainment system" I believe -- I think I might have more copper for you Bela |
| 02:46.53 | Tain | Well, Alliance AH isn't that much better. |
| 02:47.00 | Beladona | I absolutely LOVE the fact taht I can skin while in wolf form |
| 02:47.09 | Kolth | hahaha |
| 02:47.11 | Beladona | AND attack |
| 02:47.13 | Beladona | hehe |
| 02:47.35 | Beladona | don't need copper now Deph |
| 02:47.39 | Beladona | I dropped Bsmith |
| 02:47.41 | Depherios | kayo |
| 02:47.49 | Depherios | to the AH I go (later) |
| 02:51.28 | Depherios | btw, sorry, I get a LOT of time to think about video games at work |
| 02:59.52 | Depherios | can purl give a random number? |
| 03:00.49 | Depherios | lol |
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| 03:02.07 | Depherios | I flip coins at work |
| 03:08.02 | GenNMX | I remember trying to figure out how to play a game that needed a 10-sided die with a 6-sided one |
| 03:08.19 | GenNMX | "Hmm, well, if we flip 4 coins and use a binary figure..." |
| 03:08.25 | Depherios | yes! XD |
| 03:09.05 | futrtrubl | who's a Bsmith on Draka horde side then? |
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| 03:24.40 | Cairenn | afk a bit, have to go pick my daughter up |
| 03:25.25 | Depherios | oh wow, I found my huge box of old videogame books O_o |
| 03:25.40 | Depherios | (not guides, just the manuals to NES, SNES, and other games with no case standard) |
| 03:26.05 | Depherios | anywho *goes back to cleaning* |
| 03:26.14 | Depherios | dunno why I mentioned it |
| 03:27.13 | Depherios | lucky... I was too young and broke at the time |
| 03:28.47 | Tain | It's funny. It was just printed pages stapled together. |
| 03:29.05 | Depherios | Gamepro was that way for years XD as was GameInformer |
| 03:29.50 | Tain | The first Nintendo Power explained how to get to the Super Mario Brothers Minus Level 1 |
| 03:30.16 | Tain | With a teaser that other Minus Levels would follow. But they never appeared. |
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| 04:05.04 | Tain | Darnit. I'm out of chocolate. |
| 04:13.15 | Kolth | oh wow |
| 04:14.05 | Tain | You know what's funny is that I'm actually not as big a fan of fudge. |
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| 04:15.14 | wowguru-4609 | hi |
| 04:15.27 | Kolth | ahoi there |
| 04:15.37 | wowguru-4609 | what r u |
| 04:15.43 | Kolth | A human! |
| 04:15.47 | wowguru-4609 | what class |
| 04:15.51 | Beladona | monkey |
| 04:15.55 | Kolth | 11th! |
| 04:16.02 | Kolth | 6th? |
| 04:16.02 | Beladona | ninja monkey |
| 04:16.10 | Kolth | I've played every single class in WoW. |
| 04:16.34 | wowguru-4609 | what lvl do u have to be to shapeshift |
| 04:16.41 | Kolth | What class/ |
| 04:16.43 | wowguru-4609 | for druid |
| 04:16.46 | Kolth | 10 |
| 04:16.52 | Kolth | That's Bear Form |
| 04:17.03 | wowguru-4609 | who do u learn it from |
| 04:17.12 | Kolth | It's a quest from your Druid trainer. |
| 04:17.32 | wowguru-4609 | do u know where the quest is |
| 04:17.47 | Kolth | Are you Horde or Alliance? |
| 04:17.53 | wowguru-4609 | alliance |
| 04:18.09 | Kolth | Have you gone to your Druid trainer yet? |
| 04:18.15 | wowguru-4609 | yeh |
| 04:18.28 | Kolth | I remember getting a quest to go to Moonglade from mine. |
| 04:18.39 | wowguru-4609 | thanks |
| 04:18.41 | Kolth | Make sure you're going to your primary Druid trainer. |
| 04:18.47 | wowguru-4609 | ohh |
| 04:18.57 | wowguru-4609 | wheres that at |
| 04:19.00 | Kolth | Good luck -- goes AFK |
| 04:19.04 | Kolth | Teldrassil? |
| 04:19.08 | Kolth | I don't play alliance. |
| 04:19.12 | wowguru-4609 | ohh |
| 04:19.27 | wowguru-4609 | do u play any alliance hunters |
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| 04:32.36 | wowguru-5055 | is any one here |
| 04:33.19 | Kolth | yes! |
| 04:33.30 | Kolth | Welcome back :) |
| 04:33.42 | wowguru-5055 | i can't find that quest |
| 04:33.55 | Kolth | Odd. |
| 04:34.24 | wowguru-5055 | yeah it said in thottbot that i have to teleport to moongate |
| 04:34.58 | wowguru-5055 | ? |
| 04:35.07 | Kolth | You do eventually. |
| 04:35.12 | Kolth | Did you learn that spell from your trainer yet/ |
| 04:35.18 | wowguru-5055 | how do i teleport there |
| 04:35.27 | clad|dinner | You learn a spell from your class trainer |
| 04:35.30 | Kolth | You learn the spell from your class trainer. |
| 04:35.32 | Kolth | Oh! |
| 04:35.35 | Kolth | Heyas cladhaire. |
| 04:35.44 | cladhaire | Heyas =) |
| 04:35.52 | wowguru-5055 | no i am only a lvl 7 |
| 04:36.03 | Kolth | Wow. |
| 04:36.06 | Kolth | I told you, it's level 10. |
| 04:36.08 | Kolth | Silly!! |
| 04:36.11 | cladhaire | =) |
| 04:36.16 | cladhaire | 10, 14 and 20 =) |
| 04:36.31 | Kolth | 14 is the best level for Druids. |
| 04:36.45 | cladhaire | I hated aquatic form =) |
| 04:36.52 | wowguru-5055 | wat is the beast ? |
| 04:37.08 | wowguru-5055 | level |
| 04:37.20 | Kolth | Beast? |
| 04:37.24 | Kolth | They're all Beasts. |
| 04:37.38 | cladhaire | Spec feral til level 21 so you have 30% faster cat form =) |
| 04:37.42 | cladhaire | but thats just me |
| 04:38.25 | wowguru-5055 | sweet i have a lvl 18 worrior but i am thinking of just keeping with my druid |
| 04:38.32 | cladhaire | i love my druid |
| 04:38.38 | cladhaire | have a rogue, priest, mage |
| 04:38.43 | cladhaire | and the druid of course |
| 04:39.01 | wowguru-5055 | wat would do better in like BG or VC |
| 04:39.21 | cladhaire | Druids own the battlegrounds before level 40 |
| 04:39.22 | wowguru-5055 | a worrior |
| 04:39.26 | cladhaire | and rock the cazbah after that =) |
| 04:39.27 | wowguru-5055 | or a druid |
| 04:39.33 | norganna | play what you like |
| 04:39.44 | norganna | don't worry about which will own more |
| 04:39.55 | norganna | they all have plusses and minuses |
| 04:39.58 | cladhaire | Damn you norganna.. being all practical-like |
| 04:40.13 | wowguru-5055 | but i don't know if i can do very well with a worrior |
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| 04:40.27 | cladhaire | Wb tem |
| 04:40.29 | norganna | you will do best with a class you enjoy playing |
| 04:40.39 | wowguru-5055 | yeah i guess |
| 04:40.48 | wowguru-5055 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.09 | norganna | everyone will swear their fave class is best for BG / Instancing / whatever :) |
| 04:41.29 | cladhaire | But druids are the best |
| 04:41.32 | cladhaire | there's no question |
| 04:41.35 | norganna | :) |
| 04:41.35 | cladhaire | so sayeth the Cladhaire |
| 04:41.46 | wowguru-5055 | lol wat sever are u on |
| 04:41.50 | cladhaire | I have enough level 60's to be an authority |
| 04:41.55 | cladhaire | I'm on Stormrage and Kael'thas |
| 04:42.06 | wowguru-5055 | i am on arthas |
| 04:42.14 | wowguru-5055 | and emerald dream |
| 04:42.17 | norganna | my priest owns in BG :) |
| 04:42.23 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 04:42.27 | norganna | always up the top of the scoreboard |
| 04:42.28 | cladhaire | Priests are my second choice. |
| 04:42.35 | cladhaire | I HATE running against priests |
| 04:42.39 | norganna | (shadow spec ofc) |
| 04:42.47 | cladhaire | and its fun.. cause druids, rogues and priests make the best flag runners. |
| 04:43.03 | wowguru-5055 | do preaist gain exp from healing |
| 04:43.16 | norganna | honor u mean? |
| 04:43.41 | wowguru-5055 | i am not sure do they lvl fast |
| 04:43.53 | cladhaire | Norganna is right.. play what sounds fun |
| 04:43.57 | norganna | as fast as any other class |
| 04:43.57 | cladhaire | they're all great in BGs |
| 04:44.15 | wowguru-5055 | wat about MC |
| 04:44.25 | Tem | rogues are useless in MC |
| 04:44.33 | Tem | a waste of roster space |
| 04:44.36 | cladhaire | lol |
| 04:44.40 | cladhaire | :P |
| 04:44.43 | Tem | seriously |
| 04:44.45 | wowguru-5055 | yeah i know rogues sux |
| 04:44.45 | Tem | they are |
| 04:44.46 | norganna | priests never have trouble finding groups |
| 04:44.47 | cladhaire | I know.. I have a rogue. |
| 04:44.55 | cladhaire | They're vital in BWL tho |
| 04:45.01 | norganna | (not that i'm selling priests btw) |
| 04:45.15 | cladhaire | U really have to enjoy healing to play a healing class. |
| 04:45.24 | norganna | u do (and i do) |
| 04:45.43 | cladhaire | me too =) |
| 04:45.47 | cladhaire | hence me rolling my second healer |
| 04:45.49 | cladhaire | and shaman is next |
| 04:45.49 | wowguru-5055 | and wat is the best way to go with the like elamental and that stuff |
| 04:46.21 | cladhaire | not sure i understadn teh quest |
| 04:46.22 | cladhaire | ion |
| 04:46.24 | wowguru-5055 | do u know wat i mean |
| 04:46.25 | cladhaire | god i can't type tonight |
| 04:46.36 | wowguru-5055 | me too' |
| 04:47.02 | wowguru-5055 | the talents |
| 04:47.11 | wowguru-5055 | u know wat i mean now |
| 04:47.13 | wowguru-5055 | ? |
| 04:47.39 | wowguru-5055 | ? |
| 04:47.41 | wowguru-5055 | ? |
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| 04:48.18 | tragywydd | ~slap cladhaire |
| 04:48.20 | purl | ACTION slaps cladhaire, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 04:48.58 | wowguru-5055 | wat lvl do u neet to be to tame a beast for a hunter |
| 04:49.12 | tragywydd | 10 |
| 04:49.28 | wowguru-5055 | wtf |
| 04:49.46 | wowguru-5055 | wat does that do \ |
| 04:49.54 | wowguru-5055 | ? |
| 04:50.50 | wowguru-5055 | i got to go play wow now thx |
| 04:51.13 | wowguru-5055 | alot that helped me soo much thank you very much |
| 04:51.19 | tragywydd | what |
| 04:51.22 | tragywydd | the |
| 04:51.23 | tragywydd | FUCK? |
| 04:51.38 | norganna | yeah |
| 04:51.49 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 04:51.54 | cladhaire | as long as we were all thinking it. |
| 04:52.33 | norganna | lol |
| 04:52.34 | cladhaire | hahah |
| 04:57.49 | Cairenn | no |
| 04:57.50 | Cairenn | really |
| 04:57.55 | Cairenn | what the heck was that? |
| 04:58.07 | tragywydd | LSD? |
| 04:58.15 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:58.29 | Cairenn | in that case, why wasn't he sharing? |
| 04:58.42 | Tain | LSD? |
| 04:58.43 | tragywydd | scarcity? |
| 04:59.06 | Tain | Supply and demand? |
| 04:59.15 | Tain | How much do I have to demand to get some supply? |
| 05:00.00 | Cairenn | Tain, from my research into supply and demand, it seems you have to demand a lot in order to get some supply, since I've yet to be successful |
| 05:00.31 | Tain | oooh |
| 05:00.34 | tragywydd | I'm sufficiently traumatize for the night. |
| 05:00.45 | Tain | The night is young. |
| 05:02.04 | Tain | Oh actually I suppose the morning is young in this timezone. |
| 05:02.05 | Cairenn | yeah,I'm only just about to start drinking |
| 05:02.11 | tragywydd | I can't believe someone discussed "meating me" in a dev forum |
| 05:02.18 | tragywydd | is nothing sacred to some people? |
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| 05:02.28 | Cairenn | ? |
| 05:02.52 | tragywydd | *shudder* ask Cladh |
| 05:03.19 | Cairenn | what the heck is he talking about hun? |
| 05:05.02 | cladhaire | lol |
| 05:05.11 | tragywydd | info |
| 05:10.11 | cladhaire | Okay.. I CANNOT find the flight path for horde in Booty Bay.. how do i get there *crY* |
| 05:10.34 | Tain | heh |
| 05:11.31 | Kolth | clad: In the Inn |
| 05:11.36 | Tain | Been a while for me, I think keep going up as far as you can from the bar/inn |
| 05:11.40 | Kolth | go up to the top floor past Fleetmaster |
| 05:11.53 | Tain | If you see the Fleetmaster you're not high enough |
| 05:12.10 | cladhaire | k |
| 05:13.13 | Tain | Actually I could say if you see anything that makes sense you're not high enough. |
| 05:13.14 | cladhaire | OOOh.. i found it.. thanks.. never knew that door was there |
| 05:17.52 | Eraphine | what's the page that shows all the framexml's from past patches? |
| 05:17.59 | Eraphine | ndm.wowinterface.com ? |
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| 05:18.51 | cladhaire | wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 05:18.52 | Beladona | wdn |
| 05:18.55 | cladhaire | wow developers network =) |
| 05:19.14 | cladhaire | <# Bela |
| 05:19.30 | cladhaire | WB Tem |
| 05:19.44 | Beladona | hehe |
| 05:19.59 | Tem | yay for dropping my landline connection and the thing not being smart enough to just switch to my wireless connectino |
| 05:20.00 | Beladona | I think cladhaire is my biggest supporter |
| 05:20.14 | cladhaire | I doubt that =) |
| 05:20.29 | cladhaire | but with my nazi internet at work.. sometimes you're my savior |
| 05:20.36 | Beladona | hehe |
| 05:20.50 | cladhaire | all connectinos proxied through st. louis with none of the extra methods open |
| 05:21.00 | cladhaire | damn beer companies keeping me down |
| 05:21.17 | Beladona | ouch |
| 05:21.25 | Beladona | proxy is le suck |
| 05:21.28 | Eraphine | zg came out with patch 1.7 right? |
| 05:21.30 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 05:21.35 | cladhaire | Eraphine: I belive so |
| 05:21.39 | Eraphine | does anyone remember what date that was? |
| 05:21.50 | cladhaire | patchtimer.org |
| 05:21.59 | cladhaire | date should be there |
| 05:22.01 | Cairenn | cladhaire: well there's your problem ... switch to a real drink, then it won't keep you down |
| 05:22.09 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:22.18 | Beladona | the dates are on my page too |
| 05:22.20 | Beladona | but hidden |
| 05:22.21 | cladhaire | Cairenn: haha.. I can't switch my company =/ |
| 05:22.23 | Beladona | =P |
| 05:22.24 | cladhaire | Beladona: so shady |
| 05:22.27 | Beladona | I can get it for you a sec |
| 05:22.27 | tragywydd | LOL there isn't a "Vodka Tonic, Inc." imo |
| 05:22.38 | Beladona | 1.7? |
| 05:22.48 | cladhaire | Anheuser-Busch pays the bills.. so i continue to make beer. |
| 05:22.52 | Beladona | 09/13/2005 |
| 05:22.53 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 05:23.07 | Eraphine | thanks bela |
| 05:23.16 | Beladona | np |
| 05:23.24 | Beladona | if you view the source on my apge |
| 05:23.28 | Beladona | the dates are in the xml |
| 05:23.35 | Beladona | I just didn't display them in the page |
| 05:26.35 | Tain | mmmmmmm rum |
| 05:27.24 | Cairenn | rum is good |
| 05:27.38 | cladhaire | I get to drink rum from the Carribean in .. 8 days |
| 05:27.47 | Cairenn | cladhaire: so jealous! |
| 05:28.05 | Tain | Yes. So jealous is much better than I was going to say. |
| 05:28.17 | cladhaire | I'm sure we can get you smuggled somewhere =) |
| 05:28.28 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:28.30 | cladhaire | ive never been sailing, I'm quite excited. |
| 05:28.30 | Beladona | snuggled? |
| 05:28.34 | Beladona | oh you said smuggled |
| 05:28.57 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 05:29.05 | Beladona | Carribean? |
| 05:29.11 | Beladona | any stops in FL? |
| 05:29.39 | cladhaire | Nope.. I fly from Syracuse to Philly to Puerto Rico to Tortola |
| 05:29.57 | Tain | Who's smuggling peas? |
| 05:30.09 | Beladona | doh |
| 05:30.09 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 05:30.16 | cladhaire | lol |
| 05:30.30 | Cairenn | is that anything like juggling peas? |
| 05:30.33 | Beladona | nothing in FL anyway except old people and Disneyworld |
| 05:30.42 | Cairenn | Beladona: wrong |
| 05:30.44 | futrtrubl | Ahh Syracuse airport, I've flown in and out of there too many times |
| 05:30.52 | cladhaire | futrtrubl: Why? |
| 05:30.52 | Beladona | ? |
| 05:31.02 | futrtrubl | Went to Cornell for 4 years |
| 05:31.13 | Cairenn | yourself included, silly |
| 05:31.14 | cladhaire | Oh fun =) |
| 05:31.15 | Tain | They're all old. |
| 05:31.17 | Beladona | do they all enjoy being here? |
| 05:31.20 | Beladona | =P |
| 05:31.47 | futrtrubl | ;'] fortunately I wasn't an Architect, and they had a good Anime Society |
| 05:32.19 | Beladona | someone I know said it well |
| 05:32.27 | Beladona | this state is for newleyweds, and nearlydeads |
| 05:32.39 | futrtrubl | I also get to drink rum in the Carribean in 8 days ;'] I'm heading back to Jamaica next week |
| 05:32.59 | cladhaire | yay! |
| 05:33.07 | cladhaire | see ya there =) |
| 05:33.15 | futrtrubl | in JA? |
| 05:33.25 | cladhaire | no.. but we can pretend right? |
| 05:33.31 | Tain | Jamaica? Nah, she wanted to |
| 05:33.34 | Beladona | ROFLMAO |
| 05:33.45 | futrtrubl | close enough ;'] I'l drink one with you, virtually |
| 05:33.46 | cladhaire | oh wow.. haha |
| 05:33.51 | cladhaire | futr: Word: |
| 05:37.11 | Beladona | Cair! |
| 05:37.13 | Beladona | WOW! |
| 05:37.15 | Beladona | YAY |
| 05:37.21 | Cairenn|WoW | different server, sorry |
| 05:38.04 | cladhaire | : |
| 05:38.04 | cladhaire | P |
| 05:39.12 | Cairenn|WoW | sowwy |
| 05:40.14 | futrtrubl | Azjol? |
| 05:40.20 | Cairenn|WoW | nope |
| 05:40.37 | futrtrubl | awww :( |
| 05:40.40 | Cairenn|WoW | although my guild there was pleasantly surprised to see me on yesterday |
| 05:41.17 | Tain | Ahh I almost logged in but I think I'm tired. |
| 05:41.29 | futrtrubl | I've been spending so much time working on my mod I logged on a few days ago to find all my chars booted from my guild :( |
| 05:41.43 | Tain | Log into WoW, go to whorehouse, go to sleep. Such decisions. |
| 05:41.46 | cladhaire | boo that sucks |
| 05:42.18 | futrtrubl | It means I get a plain grey tabard, looks snazy ;'] |
| 05:42.51 | Cairenn|WoW | futrtrubl: well that's kinda rude |
| 05:43.33 | futrtrubl | I can't blaim em, ish. I wasn't a benefit to the guild but then again they didn't need the space |
| 05:44.34 | Cairenn|WoW | okay, my partner in crime has logged in, really afk now |
| 05:45.56 | Cairenn|WoW | hahahahahhahaahahahahahaha |
| 05:46.31 | Cairenn|WoW | okay, what's the bug that makes you appear invis to yourself and has all your items show up in your bags as question marks? I remember the bug, but neither the cause nor the solution ... |
| 05:47.53 | cladhaire | not sure cair |
| 05:48.25 | Cairenn|WoW | anyone remember? |
| 05:48.40 | Cairenn|WoW | hehehehehhehehe |
| 05:48.43 | Cairenn|WoW | oh my |
| 05:49.54 | cladhaire | quote Booty Bay general chat: " Any adults want to kill Mai Zoth in the ogre mound?" |
| 05:50.02 | cladhaire | my response: " Why do they need to be adults?" |
| 05:54.39 | Kolth | That's hilarious though. |
| 05:55.55 | cladhaire | he said cause children can't be trusted. |
| 05:56.01 | cladhaire | the conversation was quite amusing |
| 05:56.06 | cladhaire | k folks.. i'm off for the night |
| 05:56.08 | cladhaire | have fun! |
| 05:56.21 | Kolth | night clad |
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| 06:39.32 | futrtrubl | is there any way to end one iteration of a for loop prematurly? |
| 06:56.21 | Beladona | return? |
| 06:58.18 | Beladona | night all |
| 06:58.34 | Bela|AFK | blah |
| 06:58.36 | Bela|AFK | I must be tired |
| 07:02.43 | Kolth | hahah |
| 07:08.12 | Cairenn|WoW | night Bela |
| 07:13.38 | futrtrubl | I thought return would return to the calling function |
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| 07:26.31 | Cairenn | Iriel! *hugs* |
| 07:26.34 | Cairenn | how was your flight? |
| 07:27.31 | Iriel | The flight was good, boring, the way flights should be! |
| 07:27.51 | Iriel | dialup internet access, however, leaves a lot to be desired! |
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| 07:35.47 | Tem | so what time is it over there Iriel? |
| 07:35.55 | Tem | 9am ish? |
| 07:35.58 | Kolth | GMT, eh? |
| 07:36.43 | Depherios | WTF where DOES Trillian put CTCP replies :P |
| 07:37.37 | Depherios | BAH /ctcp Iriel TIME!!!!!!!!! HATE XD |
| 07:38.04 | Iriel | err, 7:38 or so |
| 07:38.08 | Iriel | am |
| 07:39.08 | Iriel | though my laptop will say 22:38 at the moment because I booted into windows yesterday and it 'helpfully' corrected my system clock for daylight savings, even though it's set to UTC |
| 07:39.18 | Iriel | and it's still set to pacific time |
| 07:39.53 | Iriel | (For anyone who that totally confuses, it SHOULD be 23:39, on the laptop, but isn't) |
| 07:43.38 | Tem | silly windows |
| 07:45.24 | Iriel | Indeed. |
| 07:45.57 | Iriel | On the bright side, internet connection sharing under XP seems to 'just work' so getting online at all was easy. |
| 07:48.57 | Tem | that's rare |
| 07:49.13 | Tem | not much seems to "just work" for me |
| 07:49.52 | Tem | Esp in linux |
| 07:50.37 | Depherios | lol... internet connection sharing is great... until the host has to restart or something XD |
| 07:54.19 | Iriel | Well, yes, if the host has to restart im going to have difficulties, but all i wanted to do was to get online with my laptop when it's a desktop connected to the modem with the ISP configuration in it. |
| 07:54.34 | Osagasu | Iriel «n=daniel@e2h2p95.scotland.net» had a ping reply of 1.093 Seconds! |
| 07:54.41 | Kolth | eep! |
| 07:54.48 | Iriel | It was literally a matter of plug in a crossover cable, and attempt to connect to the world. |
| 07:55.17 | Iriel | Spiffy ping time eh |
| 07:55.41 | Iriel | Anyways, time for me to wander off, i'll try and check back every day or two! |
| 07:55.42 | Iriel | Have fun! |
| 07:56.23 | Osagasu | oh oh! |
| 07:56.24 | Osagasu | Cairenn «n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com» had a ping reply of 1.391 Seconds! |
| 07:56.35 | Cairenn | have fun Iriel! |
| 07:56.56 | Iriel | Should do, off to see my brother today |
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| 08:11.29 | futrtrubl | will the code at http://wow.pastebin.com/468778 if BEB.table.something exists? |
| 08:11.43 | futrtrubl | have problems if... |
| 08:12.07 | Kolth | I suppose you should also first check the state of a table you want to wor kwith. |
| 08:12.38 | futrtrubl | what do you mean by state? |
| 08:13.13 | Kolth | if not table then table = {}; |
| 08:13.28 | Kolth | That kind of a pre-routine check |
| 08:13.30 | futrtrubl | oh, BEB.table will exist, that's not in question |
| 08:13.34 | Kolth | oh |
| 08:16.09 | Kolth | So you want to nil out certain entries. |
| 08:16.17 | Kolth | I don't see anything bad with your code. |
| 08:16.34 | futrtrubl | I just want to know if taking out an entry in a table will screw up a for loop that's iterating through that table |
| 08:16.38 | futrtrubl | cool |
| 08:16.43 | Kolth | Taking out? |
| 08:16.45 | Kolth | You should use .remove |
| 08:16.53 | futrtrubl | nilling out ;'] |
| 08:19.10 | Kolth | As long as the key stays you're fine. |
| 08:19.38 | futrtrubl | but if it is nil the key won't stay right? |
| 08:19.52 | Kolth | I would imagine the key would stay. |
| 08:20.10 | futrtrubl | .remove acording to the short ref works for numeric indeces only |
| 08:20.15 | Kolth | oi |
| 08:20.47 | futrtrubl | making the key nil would be the same as making it undefined |
| 08:21.09 | Kolth | Really? |
| 08:21.34 | futrtrubl | any possible var is nil |
| 08:21.52 | futrtrubl | the only ones that exist are the ones that are not nil |
| 08:24.11 | futrtrubl | maybe I'll use table.foreach, it seems safer |
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| 08:35.46 | Tem | does anyone remember the format for item links off the top of their head? |
| 08:35.53 | Tem | I'd rather not boot wow just to se |
| 08:35.55 | Tem | see* |
| 08:36.08 | Kolth | Format? |
| 08:36.24 | Tem | I got it, nevermind |
| 08:36.52 | Tem | it's "|c"..colors[quality].."|H"..itemID.."|h["..name.."]|h|r" |
| 08:36.55 | Tem | for anyone who cares |
| 08:37.16 | Kolth | oi |
| 08:37.42 | MoonWolf | working on that mouse over bag information thingy tem ? |
| 08:37.53 | Tem | aye |
| 08:38.06 | Tem | should only take me another 5-10 minutes |
| 08:38.08 | MoonWolf | so its not a simply table.sort then i guess. |
| 08:41.32 | Kremonte | \124cff######\124Hitem:#:#:#\124h[$]\124h\124r |
| 08:41.36 | Kremonte | ive typed that so many times |
| 08:41.38 | Kremonte | links suck. |
| 08:42.28 | MoonWolf | actually without the whole code around it links own. |
| 08:42.48 | Krem`zz | no, links suck |
| 08:42.51 | Krem`zz | they DC you too much |
| 08:43.20 | Tem | god I can't stand people who do 3 space indenting |
| 08:43.26 | Tem | it's so hard for me to read |
| 08:44.16 | MoonWolf | tabs FTW |
| 08:44.22 | Tem | yeah |
| 08:46.28 | Tem | course it's pretty easy for me to fix |
| 08:46.38 | Tem | First I convert all tabs to spaces |
| 08:46.48 | Tem | then set my tab width in the editor to 3 |
| 08:46.53 | Tem | then spaces -> tabs |
| 08:47.06 | Tem | then increase my tab width to what I like it |
| 08:47.19 | MoonWolf | 4 |
| 08:47.29 | Tem | I like em at 5 |
| 08:47.39 | MoonWolf | i like 4. but yeah. custom tab lenght is way better then hard spaces. |
| 08:47.43 | Tem | but I've taken to using 7 since that seems to be a standard |
| 08:49.30 | slouken | BTW, original tab indentation was 8 spaces (manual typewriter -> ASCII) Now it's fairly common to set it to 4 spaces, and some GNU freaks use 2 spaces. :) |
| 08:50.15 | Depherios | 4 FTW |
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| 08:51.35 | Cairenn | you guys wanna know something really fun? introducing game devs to parts of their own game that they've never seen |
| 08:51.38 | Tem | I didn't even see him here! |
| 08:51.45 | Depherios | ditto Tem XD |
| 08:51.46 | Cairenn | he snuck in just before Iriel |
| 08:53.15 | MoonWolf | slouken is a comment ninja |
| 08:53.18 | Kolth | What did you do, Cair? |
| 08:53.20 | Tem | hehe |
| 08:53.47 | Cairenn | just showed Slouken part of the WoW world that he'd never seen before :) |
| 08:53.54 | Depherios | what part? XD |
| 08:54.06 | Kolth | I think Cair's talking in metaphors! Oo |
| 08:54.30 | Cairenn | Airport, Never-Ending Pit of Doom, This Way, That Way & The Other Way, overlook of Menethil Harbour, etc |
| 08:54.39 | Cairenn | he'd never been up there before |
| 08:54.41 | Depherios | oh lol |
| 08:55.11 | Tem | never-ending pit of doom? |
| 08:55.28 | Tem | I dunno how to get up there |
| 08:55.32 | Cairenn | mind you, I've never been there either, of course, since we aren't *supposed* to go up there, so obviously I wouldn't have done any such thing |
| 08:55.58 | Cairenn | well, you'd best do it soon, since there is a very good chance you won't be able to after 1.9 |
| 08:56.08 | Depherios | :P |
| 08:57.22 | Cairenn | I really should have tested it on Test Server, see if I could still get up there |
| 08:57.30 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:57.31 | Cairenn | just always forgot to go verify |
| 08:57.36 | Tem | hmm |
| 08:57.40 | Tem | my changes don't work |
| 08:57.56 | Tem | but that's because the base mod doesn't work either >< |
| 08:57.58 | Cairenn | it's *so* beautiful, it's truly a shame that most people will never see it |
| 08:58.22 | Tem | Cair, care to show me how to get up there? |
| 08:58.39 | Cairenn | I could ... |
| 08:58.39 | Tem | roll a noob on my server and my mage will port you to IF |
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| 08:59.12 | Cairenn | now? or tomorrow or something? |
| 08:59.18 | Tem | whenever |
| 08:59.30 | Tem | I should go to bed right now |
| 08:59.37 | Tem | yeah I'm going to sleep |
| 08:59.39 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:59.45 | Cairenn | tomorrow or something |
| 08:59.47 | Tem | It's 3 am |
| 08:59.51 | Cairenn | 4 |
| 08:59.52 | Tem | and I need to get up around 10 |
| 08:59.59 | Tem | poop! |
| 09:00.05 | Cairenn | night :) |
| 09:00.41 | Tem|sleep | night everyone |
| 09:00.50 | Tem|sleep | I'll fix Ramble's broken mod tommorow |
| 09:00.58 | MoonWolf | nighty |
| 09:01.00 | Tem|sleep | and add sorting afterwards |
| 09:01.10 | Tem|sleep | since adding sorting is like a 5 line addition |
| 09:01.38 | MoonWolf | could you sort it on name size ? |
| 09:02.11 | Cairenn | okay, I'm out guys, night night |
| 09:02.16 | MoonWolf | night |
| 09:05.18 | pagefault | wee |
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| 09:16.29 | AnduinLothar | anyone availbile to idle on Draka so i can futz with the raid ui? |
| 09:16.52 | MoonWolf | wrong continent. |
| 09:17.15 | AnduinLothar | if ur playing that's fine too, long as ur not doing quests |
| 09:17.18 | AnduinLothar | alliance |
| 09:17.46 | MoonWolf | no real world continent. im EU. |
| 09:17.56 | AnduinLothar | bumma |
| 09:22.18 | Depherios | I am |
| 09:22.25 | Depherios | not doing anything ATM |
| 09:22.32 | Depherios | just buzz me every once in awhile to remind me not to AFK XD |
| 09:22.46 | Depherios | (i.e. whisper... have a sound playing on whispers) |
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| 09:51.01 | Cairenn|sleep | and the next time anyone wonders why my sleep schedule is so completely screwed up ..... |
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| 10:02.45 | Cairenn|sleep | yo, Depherios, don't afk |
| 10:04.33 | SP|Sorrenart | irc in your sleep huh? :P |
| 10:05.33 | Cairenn|sleep | yeah, something like |
| 10:06.02 | Cairenn|sleep | I was getting ready to pass out when the request came across asking for someone to idle in game for sake of mod tweaking, so here I am |
| 10:06.15 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:06.28 | Cairenn|sleep | the things I do for you guys ... |
| 10:06.30 | SP|Sorrenart | such dedication 8) |
| 10:07.34 | Cairenn|sleep | well, ya know, that's the whole idea behind this channel and the in-game guilds ... somewhere for coders to come together, learn from each other, help each other on testing & tweaking |
| 10:07.51 | Cairenn|sleep | I'd be setting a pretty poor example if I wasn't willing to do as much myself |
| 10:08.15 | SP|Sorrenart | :) |
| 10:09.31 | Cairenn|sleep | lord knows I can't do much on the actual coding side of things ... the least I can do is idle in game so someone can test stuff |
| 10:10.00 | AnduinLothar | well don't keep yourself from sleep on my acocunt. I'm not far enough in for it to be actually interesting to anyone but me. and as long as rgb's there i still have raidui access, so it's all good |
| 10:10.31 | Cairenn|sleep | meh, I can give you a bit longer, I'm not *quite* ols yet |
| 10:11.06 | SP|Sorrenart | whacha up to, if you dont mind me asking 8) |
| 10:11.26 | Cairenn|sleep | AnduinLothar is working on raidui |
| 10:11.36 | AnduinLothar | making some options for the default raid ui |
| 10:11.55 | SP|Sorrenart | ic |
| 10:12.12 | AnduinLothar | it needs some test overlays and a lot of visibility checkboxes, maybe some buff options |
| 10:12.16 | AnduinLothar | text* |
| 10:12.22 | Cairenn|sleep | lol, we're sure getting a lot of weird looks though |
| 10:13.00 | Cairenn|sleep | duel flag is up, neither one of us is doing a thing, I just periodically stand up and cast Hunter's Mark on him so he's got a debuff icon to work with |
| 10:13.06 | AnduinLothar | not as many as when i'm on my main test char. naked sicne birth, dancing in goldshire |
| 10:13.28 | SP|Sorrenart | lol |
| 10:13.32 | Depherios | ll |
| 10:13.34 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:13.35 | Depherios | I've done the same |
| 10:13.39 | Depherios | I have access to my GF's account |
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| 10:13.52 | Depherios | so I login as her, on the laptop, and do stuff like that |
| 10:17.37 | Cairenn|sleep | okay, now I sleep, night night |
| 10:18.17 | norganna | NITE |
| 10:18.20 | norganna | eek |
| 10:18.24 | norganna | nite i mean |
| 10:18.41 | Cairenn|sleep | lol, I'm going I'm going, don't have to yell at me! |
| 10:18.58 | Cairenn|sleep | ;) |
| 10:19.10 | norganna | ahhh |
| 10:19.18 | Cairenn|sleep | is okay, I luvs ya |
| 10:19.22 | Cairenn|sleep | bye |
| 10:19.29 | Elkano | gnight cairenn |
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| 10:22.36 | SP|Sorren` | man, what is up with my connection :( |
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| 11:14.44 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 11:15.11 | Elkano | moo² |
| 11:15.49 | Cide | boo |
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| 11:16.31 | AnduinLothar | ah, it was going so well... till i realized that the RaidUI frames are not static per raidID and most of my arch code assumes that the unitframes dont change units.. |
| 11:17.19 | Depherios | ouch |
| 11:18.05 | AnduinLothar | not all of the code, but some of it |
| 11:18.17 | AnduinLothar | like the number inversion |
| 11:19.27 | Elkano | sounds like you gonna have som 'fun' fixing it ;) |
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| 11:21.47 | AnduinLothar | adapting it anyway |
| 11:22.07 | AnduinLothar | still have to figure out what i did.. was so long ago i made the system |
| 11:26.37 | sarf|stuff | Sound bugs... rebooting |
| 11:31.39 | MentalPower|AFK | MentalPower|ZZzzz |
| 11:31.45 | MentalPower|AFK | grr... |
| 11:31.56 | MentalPower|ZZzz | there we go |
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| 11:33.46 | Depherios | G'night all... |
| 11:45.11 | AnduinLothar | meh virtual frame loading order is a drag for ondemand addons |
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| 12:07.43 | norganna | if only there were backtracing... |
| 12:08.47 | AnduinLothar | ya, it's a pain to figure out something's not workign because you had the files loading in the wrong order so a virtual in the first didn't exist and you couldn't inherit it |
| 12:10.42 | AnduinLothar | it's interesting making a replacement Blizzard_RaidUI that has a dependancy of another addon |
| 12:11.43 | AnduinLothar | what i really dont understand is why the default RaidUI settings aren't remembered accross sessions.. |
| 12:12.53 | Elkano | well, Blizzard :/ quest tracker also doen't remember... |
| 12:13.09 | AnduinLothar | ya, that's dumb.. |
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| 12:25.53 | groll | afternoon everyone |
| 12:26.08 | groll | btw does anyone know how to reset the darn ctraid windows? :P |
| 12:29.05 | Kolth | You can do it with the CTRaid GUI |
| 12:29.11 | Kolth | Misc or Additional Options |
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| 12:47.13 | Cide | Kolth has it right... and I believe it is misc |
| 12:48.36 | norganna | is there any way you can get the call-stack from lua |
| 12:49.18 | Cide | not in wow as far as I know |
| 12:49.40 | Cide | you can do error("parent func", 2) to get the function that called the function that is being run |
| 12:49.59 | Cide | not sure if you can increase the number and get even more previous calls though |
| 12:50.14 | norganna | really |
| 12:50.20 | norganna | that might be good enough |
| 12:54.35 | norganna | you can increment that to go back hight |
| 12:54.45 | norganna | higher |
| 13:09.33 | AnduinLothar | anyone ever seen the Error Reporter complain about a CLayoutFrame Assertion Failed ? |
| 13:15.28 | Cide | nice norganna... AnduinLothar: not sure, don't think so |
| 13:17.25 | AnduinLothar | well i've got it repeatable 100% in an addon half way through dev and i cant figure out what causes it.. |
| 13:48.37 | AnduinLothar | meh. Earth makes my head hurt.. |
| 13:53.52 | Elkano | There is no pre1.9 way to get an item's icon geven it's linkid, is there? |
| 13:55.37 | MoonWolf | eeuh, did someone not release some addon to switch item icons around lately |
| 13:55.45 | MoonWolf | transmogrifier or something like that. |
| 13:57.07 | MoonWolf | no wait, that worked by dropping the item in the interface not by link |
| 13:57.09 | MoonWolf | sorry, my bad. |
| 13:57.51 | Elkano | well, I hope that 1.9 will come next week :/ so I can finally add the icons to my addon :) |
| 13:59.15 | Elkano | BTW: Anyone kows a way to get the price the vendor will pay you from KC:Items given the id of the item? |
| 13:59.18 | MoonWolf | you and me both elkano, im pretty damn annoyed to have to go to IF as a nightelf all the time. (rp wise) |
| 13:59.41 | MoonWolf | I known nothing about the KCI api.. |
| 14:00.08 | Elkano | I looked into it a bit yesterday, but I didn't find a clue :( |
| 14:02.36 | Malivil | uhhhh |
| 14:03.18 | Malivil | What's the command for chat logging? |
| 14:03.25 | Malivil | ./chatlog? |
| 14:03.35 | MoonWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.39 | MoonWolf | i did /chatlog |
| 14:03.49 | MoonWolf | and chatlog now being saved to ... etc |
| 14:04.09 | Malivil | ok cool |
| 14:04.09 | Malivil | thanks |
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| 14:10.50 | AnduinLothar | wow, that was a pain... but it works. Earth now handles recursive trees |
| 14:11.01 | AnduinLothar | and thus Fire evaluates the correctly |
| 14:11.10 | AnduinLothar | them* |
| 14:15.18 | Malivil | Has anyone seen rasmuskl lately? |
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| 14:17.05 | MoonWolf | yesterday was the last time i saw him |
| 14:18.51 | Malivil | k |
| 14:23.10 | AnduinLothar | yummy. it even prints a stack trace of the recursively embedded table |
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| 18:42.53 | Kremonte | lalala |
| 18:42.56 | Kremonte | anyone alive? :X |
| 18:43.14 | Osagasu | nah. |
| 18:43.20 | Kremonte | thats too bad |
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| 18:57.53 | Osagasu | oh really? |
| 18:57.59 | Kremonte | yeah really. |
| 18:58.03 | Osagasu | no way! |
| 18:58.14 | Kremonte | rolling on floor laughing |
| 19:00.13 | Osagasu | ha ha ha, idiotic new person. |
| 19:00.27 | Kremonte | idiots are bad people |
| 19:00.40 | Osagasu | oh really? |
| 19:00.59 | Kremonte | no really |
| 19:01.13 | Osagasu | Random textual smile. |
| 19:01.36 | Kremonte | questioning of social life |
| 19:02.12 | Osagasu | agreement. |
| 19:02.29 | Kremonte | halfhearted laugh of attempt at recreating a bash quote |
| 19:03.24 | Osagasu | we were? |
| 19:03.52 | Kremonte | seemed like it. |
| 19:04.12 | Kremonte | lol. |
| 19:04.14 | Kremonte | anyway |
| 19:05.07 | Osagasu | to a chriatmas party! Eggnog! Kahlua! Silly drunkards, ho! |
| 19:05.35 | Kremonte | hohoho |
| 19:14.37 | Cairenn | Tain, you awake and aware? |
| 19:15.31 | Kremonte | wb cair |
| 19:16.11 | Cairenn | thanks |
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| 19:19.02 | Tain | Me yes |
| 19:28.13 | Elkano | good evening Cairenn ;) |
| 19:28.20 | Cairenn | hi Elkano |
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| 19:37.44 | Cairenn | hey Legorol |
| 20:11.44 | Legorol | hi Cair |
| 20:14.02 | Legorol | Guillotine & Kremonte's Panda is a great hit in my guild! |
| 20:15.02 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:15.26 | Tain | Why is it that the more bag space I add the more things I find to fill it? |
| 20:15.36 | Cairenn | I'm just glad they had the sense not to put "bot" in the mod name :p |
| 20:17.02 | krka | panda? |
| 20:17.30 | Cairenn | purl for wow |
| 20:17.32 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4413 |
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| 20:17.45 | Cairenn | ~hail purl |
| 20:17.47 | purl | ACTION bows down to purl and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 20:18.02 | Elkano | so, next beta uploaded :) hope you like it |
| 20:18.08 | Legorol | krka, immense fun |
| 20:18.18 | Legorol | one of the most pointless but most fun AddOns i've ever seen |
| 20:18.22 | Legorol | so i installed it straight away! |
| 20:18.38 | Cairenn | Elkano: approved and ready for download |
| 20:18.49 | Elkano | thx :) |
| 20:18.55 | Cairenn | np |
| 20:19.28 | Elkano | can't wait for 1.9 to fill some pending features :) |
| 20:19.52 | Elkano | any chance it'll come this week? |
| 20:20.04 | Cairenn | I've been told no |
| 20:20.31 | Legorol | it will be unusual for test realms to be down this long |
| 20:20.51 | Elkano | so no X-mas present us :( damn ^^ |
| 20:20.56 | Cairenn | I know, I'm just passing along what I was told |
| 20:21.03 | Cairenn | he could be wrong :p |
| 20:21.41 | Cairenn | okay, so |
| 20:21.49 | Cairenn | who all wants to go see the airport? |
| 20:21.52 | Elkano | let's hope so ;) in 40h we'll know more... |
| 20:22.22 | Cairenn | meh, most of those that were talking about it with me last night/this morning aren't on atm, nm, I'll ask again later |
| 20:23.50 | Elkano | that's the funny part of us coders... we don't want 1.9 for more content like tier2 graphics or the instances but for the code changes made ^^ |
| 20:24.21 | MoonWolf | we dont want it because it removes hoofing.... |
| 20:24.25 | Legorol | Cairenn, airport? |
| 20:24.34 | Legorol | mass march of Gnomes in Dun Morough? |
| 20:24.49 | Legorol | actually good point, i better take some screenies before we won't be able to get there anymore |
| 20:25.01 | Cairenn | something like that Lego |
| 20:25.19 | Cairenn | lot of folk in here have never been there before, so I offered to show folks |
| 20:25.19 | Legorol | i'm up for it, depending on when the "event" is |
| 20:27.26 | Cairenn | the topic came up when I commented on the fact that it was pretty neat to be able to show a Blizz dev part of their own world that they'd never seen before |
| 20:28.33 | Elkano | 'nice' way to point out on an 'exploit' ;) |
| 20:28.37 | Legorol | you mean there are blizz devs who haven't been to the airport? |
| 20:28.45 | Cairenn | Legorol: yup |
| 20:29.03 | Cairenn | I took one of them up there last night |
| 20:29.18 | Kremonte | i will miss climbingh |
| 20:29.22 | Kremonte | i dont want 1.9 ;_; |
| 20:29.54 | Legorol | Cairenn, was this on one of the live realms? |
| 20:30.00 | Cairenn | yup |
| 20:30.04 | Elkano | well, I never knew about it so ther isn't much I could miss ^^' |
| 20:30.05 | Legorol | Hah, so this means you know what a blizz devs ingame char is! |
| 20:30.13 | Kremonte | =O |
| 20:30.27 | Elkano | Which shaman was it? ;) |
| 20:30.27 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 20:30.32 | Legorol | lol Elkano |
| 20:30.36 | Kremonte | rofl |
| 20:30.50 | Cairenn | Legorol: a dev, a gm, a cm, a ... |
| 20:31.11 | Elkano | ...just imagin a dwarf showing a troll the airport ;) |
| 20:31.55 | Kremonte | i logged my 29 mage in caverns of time |
| 20:31.55 | Kremonte | hehe |
| 20:32.20 | Elkano | Oo |
| 20:32.45 | Kremonte | its easy to get there on live |
| 20:32.50 | Kremonte | but at 29 i died like 20 times from aggro |
| 20:34.18 | Legorol | Elkano, a troll can't get there |
| 20:34.32 | Elkano | y not? |
| 20:34.40 | Kremonte | yes they can |
| 20:34.45 | Kremonte | its easy |
| 20:34.46 | Legorol | because of the way wallwalking works, only gnomes can do it, and maybe dwarves too |
| 20:34.47 | Legorol | is it? |
| 20:34.50 | Kremonte | lol? |
| 20:34.54 | Legorol | well i never managed with a taller humanoid |
| 20:34.55 | Kremonte | i have wallwalked as every race in the game |
| 20:34.58 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 20:35.01 | Kremonte | and on mounts |
| 20:35.01 | Legorol | never managed with human or NE |
| 20:35.03 | Kremonte | and shapeshifted o_O |
| 20:35.09 | Cairenn | I've always made the run as NE |
| 20:35.11 | Kremonte | lol i climb on my druid all the time |
| 20:35.12 | Cairenn | *always* |
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| 20:35.17 | Legorol | Kremonte, yeah but did you specifically make it to the airport? |
| 20:35.24 | Kremonte | yes |
| 20:35.25 | Legorol | Cairenn, then you might know a different route than me |
| 20:35.29 | Kremonte | its no different, Legorol |
| 20:35.34 | Kremonte | its just learning the positioning |
| 20:35.38 | Legorol | the route i usually take, i have never managed with a human/NE |
| 20:35.39 | Kremonte | wallwalking in any 2 places is the same |
| 20:35.48 | Legorol | i have tried for 2 hours in the same spot with a human |
| 20:35.56 | Legorol | in a place where i can do 99 out of 100 times with a gnome |
| 20:36.01 | Kremonte | i have gotten into champions hall as every alliance race |
| 20:36.06 | Legorol | and to be sure, i tried with my gnome a couple of times, worked like a charm |
| 20:36.08 | Kremonte | by climbing from elwynn forest |
| 20:36.13 | Legorol | but not once with the human |
| 20:36.14 | Kremonte | done it with a troll too |
| 20:36.23 | Kremonte | lol Legorol, i can show you ;X |
| 20:36.34 | Kremonte | its tricky doing it one race to another |
| 20:36.38 | Legorol | Kremonte, we are talking airport specifically? |
| 20:36.49 | Kremonte | no 2 climbs are different in the method |
| 20:36.54 | Legorol | ah |
| 20:37.04 | Legorol | well then i only have practice at gnome ;-) |
| 20:37.04 | Kremonte | its just positioning where your feet are |
| 20:38.02 | Legorol | ok gotta go |
| 20:38.06 | Kremonte | cya |
| 20:38.11 | Legorol | oh before i go |
| 20:38.22 | Legorol | Cairenn, if you have a tentative time as to when to do the run, could you leave a message for me? |
| 20:38.29 | Legorol | i might turn up |
| 20:38.32 | Kremonte | the run? :x |
| 20:38.36 | Cairenn | okay |
| 20:39.07 | Kremonte | wb |
| 20:39.48 | Beladona | heh |
| 20:40.46 | Cairenn | hey Bela :) |
| 20:41.01 | Beladona | =D |
| 20:42.41 | Cairenn | hrmmmmm |
| 20:42.59 | Cairenn | to post or not to post, that is the question |
| 20:44.07 | Elkano | good evening ;) Bela|WOW, just uped an update for you :) |
| 20:44.23 | Bela|WOW | cool |
| 20:44.35 | Cairenn | what do you guys think? the news post I just put up on WoWI ... think if I post that on the Blizz UI forum it'll cause problems? |
| 20:44.58 | Bela|WOW | link it |
| 20:45.05 | Bela|WOW | oh front page |
| 20:45.07 | Bela|WOW | nm |
| 20:45.38 | Tain | I'd just add something like, "..or anything else" at the end. |
| 20:46.21 | Kremonte | 753 =D |
| 20:48.09 | Cairenn | I thought I made it pretty clear that it was meant for anyone celebrating anything at this time :p |
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| 20:49.00 | Tain | There's always someone who'll complain that you didn't mention something. |
| 20:49.06 | Cairenn | I know =/ |
| 20:49.20 | Cairenn | but putting "or whatever" could be considered an insult as well |
| 20:49.28 | krka | you should sort it lexicographically |
| 20:49.31 | Cairenn | how to balanace, it's such a pain =/ |
| 20:49.45 | Tain | Oh plus the people who'll complain because they don't celebrate anything at all. |
| 20:49.51 | Cairenn | yeah, well |
| 20:49.55 | krka | "or any other holiday I may have forgotten to mention" |
| 20:50.18 | Tain | I'm not saying it's right either way. Just that I think there are people like that. |
| 20:50.51 | krka | if you are worrying about that, you should also worry about not writing posts on every day on every possible holiday |
| 20:52.55 | Tain | I'm not worried about it. I'd just as soon tell people to take their stockings, dreidels, candles, and everything else and ... oh that's not very much in the holiday spirit is it. |
| 20:54.10 | Cairenn | krka: meh, we can only do so much and hope that people take it in the manner in which it is intended |
| 20:54.30 | [Matryx] | do I kill someone on the other side just for having the name "ragingpoo" |
| 20:54.41 | Cairenn | [Matryx]: yes |
| 20:54.44 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:54.58 | Tain | Of course I'm just a bitter, jaded old humbug. |
| 20:55.08 | Cairenn | you're a mean one, Mr. Tain |
| 20:55.27 | Elkano | if he's not 5 levels abouve you or has got some friends to call, sure :) |
| 20:55.35 | [Matryx] | done ;) |
| 20:55.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:55.42 | [Matryx] | obviously can't tell if he has friends |
| 20:55.47 | [Matryx] | but with a name like that - he probably doesn't |
| 20:56.02 | Tain | With a name like, "ragingpoo" I personally would suspect not. |
| 20:56.07 | Elkano | well, no rouge ambushed you so you should be safe :) |
| 20:56.17 | [Matryx] | I play a hunter |
| 20:56.20 | [Matryx] | with catseye goggle |
| 20:56.23 | [Matryx] | *goggles |
| 20:56.27 | [Matryx] | and track hidden on ;) |
| 20:56.34 | [Matryx] | I see rogues a mile off :) |
| 20:56.46 | Cairenn | Elkano: hehehe, gotta watch out for those rouges |
| 20:56.55 | Cairenn | they can be vicious |
| 20:56.55 | Elkano | what was his class? |
| 20:57.02 | [Matryx] | warrior |
| 20:57.17 | Elkano | ok, no threat at all ;) |
| 20:57.38 | Cairenn | I mean, here you think you're perfectly safe and the next thing you know, you've got horrid colour all over your face! |
| 20:58.04 | Cairenn | and it *always* clashes with your skintone |
| 20:58.13 | krka | would be embarrasing to get ambushed by make up |
| 20:58.42 | Cairenn | krka: even worse is getting airbrushed by it |
| 20:58.58 | Elkano | and most of the time they wait until you've started to 'play' with the next mob :/ I should start playing a rouge myself and repay them... eye for an eye, hk for a hk... |
| 20:59.16 | Tain | You can get ambushed by makeup by walking through a department store. |
| 20:59.16 | [Matryx] | I did a rogue as my first, second, and third characters actually |
| 20:59.21 | [Matryx] | then I wanted a challenge ;) |
| 20:59.24 | [Matryx] | so I picked a hunter |
| 20:59.26 | Cairenn | lol, okay, I'll stop ... Elkano dear, it's rogue, not rouge |
| 20:59.28 | [Matryx] | then we got the "love" patch |
| 20:59.36 | [Matryx] | so I've started a warlock |
| 20:59.48 | Elkano | (damn, I knew I misspelled it :/ ) |
| 20:59.50 | Tain | I just got my first ever Hunter to 20. |
| 20:59.59 | Cairenn | rouge = cheek colour cosmetics |
| 21:00.08 | Elkano | (at least I skiped the h I wanted to put in first ^^) |
| 21:00.19 | [Matryx] | to quote the simpsons: "Ladies pinch... whores use rouge" |
| 21:00.32 | Cairenn | Tain: no, that's perfume |
| 21:00.45 | Cairenn | [Matryx]: ! |
| 21:00.45 | krka | oh simpsons - the everlasting source of wisdom |
| 21:00.55 | [Matryx] | =) |
| 21:01.03 | Elkano | true true |
| 21:01.51 | Cairenn | meh, I think I'd probably best not post it on the official forums, more's the pity =/ |
| 21:02.35 | krka | why not? |
| 21:02.38 | Cairenn | it truly is a shame that our world has become so politically correct that we can't even wish each other well, without someone taking offense to it |
| 21:02.52 | krka | you're not even a blizz official though |
| 21:02.57 | Cairenn | krka: because people keep getting banned for it |
| 21:03.15 | krka | really? |
| 21:03.23 | krka | how about the off topic forum then? |
| 21:03.25 | [Matryx] | if I want to wish someone seasons greetings for whatever it is they're celebrating, it shouldn't be anyone else's business |
| 21:03.25 | Cairenn | yes, I'm serious, ask ... who was it in this channel? |
| 21:03.56 | Cairenn | there's been *at least* one person in this channel who has been temp banned from the forums for posting it |
| 21:04.05 | Cairenn | posting seasons greetings, that is |
| 21:04.06 | [Matryx] | for posting "merry christmas"? |
| 21:04.12 | Cairenn | yup |
| 21:04.16 | [Matryx] | O_o |
| 21:04.19 | Cairenn | yup |
| 21:04.29 | [Matryx] | they love stuff like this ;) |
| 21:04.45 | Cairenn | now, I've *no* intent of posting it in general, I'd put it in the UI forum, but still ... =/ |
| 21:04.49 | Kremonte | wtf |
| 21:04.55 | Kremonte | people get tbanned for posting merry christmas |
| 21:05.09 | [Matryx] | oh, except I have an EU account |
| 21:05.13 | [Matryx] | the US forums are scary |
| 21:05.14 | Kremonte | but theres a machine that turns you into santa claus |
| 21:05.19 | Kremonte | and make your mount a reindeer? |
| 21:05.21 | Kremonte | what the hell? |
| 21:05.23 | [Matryx] | full of one-line-wonder reply monkeys |
| 21:05.48 | Cairenn | except it's from *Interface.com to the UI modding community |
| 21:05.58 | Cairenn | anyway, I'm not going to |
| 21:06.27 | Cairenn | for one think, Slouken would never forgive me if I got myself banned from the forums :p |
| 21:06.39 | Cairenn | s/think/thing |
| 21:06.50 | [Matryx] | O_o |
| 21:06.52 | [Matryx] | think was correct |
| 21:06.58 | krka | does it say in the forum rules that you can't post seasonal stuff? |
| 21:07.02 | [Matryx] | if you add "I" at the start |
| 21:07.04 | Kremonte | no it wasnt |
| 21:07.18 | [Matryx] | heh |
| 21:07.26 | Cairenn | ah |
| 21:07.29 | Cairenn | that way, it works |
| 21:07.47 | Cairenn | krka: nothing that has religious reference ... =/ |
| 21:07.48 | krka | i for one welcome our new christmas-banning overlords |
| 21:07.59 | Kremonte | then, blizzard should be banned |
| 21:08.01 | Cairenn | since it may offend |
| 21:08.04 | Kremonte | winter's veil |
| 21:08.07 | Kremonte | santa suits ffs |
| 21:08.15 | Kremonte | reindeers and santa suits, and thats not christmas based? |
| 21:08.20 | [Matryx] | you mean "great father winter" |
| 21:08.22 | [Matryx] | not santa |
| 21:08.25 | [Matryx] | santa = ban |
| 21:08.29 | Kremonte | o noes. |
| 21:08.30 | Cairenn | and Winter's Veil |
| 21:08.35 | Cairenn | not "christmas" |
| 21:08.36 | krka | santa is satan |
| 21:08.37 | Cairenn | Winter |
| 21:08.41 | Kremonte | thats so stupid omg |
| 21:08.49 | krka | how about you wishing everyone a happy winter's veil then? |
| 21:08.55 | [Matryx] | next year - i'll be "cold stuff" in case anyone has seasonal bias against winter |
| 21:09.09 | Cairenn | no, it was winter's veil last year too |
| 21:10.56 | Cairenn | besides which |
| 21:10.56 | krka | Whether observing Winter's Vel or any other holiday we may have forgotten to mention - all of us at WoWInterface wish you and yours a joyous holiday season. |
| 21:10.56 | Cairenn | it's only winter in the norther hemisphere ... it's summer in the southern atm |
| 21:10.57 | Cairenn | krka, lol |
| 21:10.57 | krka | gah, misspelled :/ |
| 21:10.57 | krka | they can't ban you from talking about an ingame-holiday though |
| 21:10.57 | [Matryx] | they'll find a way ;) |
| 21:11.01 | krka | don't think they'd actively try to find a reason to ban cair |
| 21:11.29 | Cairenn | they ban zeeg on a regular and ongoing basis =/ |
| 21:11.34 | krka | me on the other hand... |
| 21:11.44 | krka | zeeg is actively looking for trouble though |
| 21:11.53 | krka | posting hidden in game content and stuff |
| 21:11.55 | krka | afair |
| 21:12.05 | Cairenn | nah, he's just misunderstood |
| 21:15.53 | Cairenn | hah! not posting a thing! forums are down ;) |
| 21:16.10 | Cairenn | isn't that always the way? |
| 21:21.59 | Cairenn|WoW | so, who is playing, and on which side? |
| 21:22.12 | Cide | <- Alleria, Horde! :P |
| 21:22.31 | [Matryx] | <-- horde |
| 21:22.33 | Cairenn|WoW | I meant on Draka, hun |
| 21:22.36 | [Matryx] | Daggerspine EU |
| 21:23.01 | Cairenn|WoW | [Matryx]: I so wish there was a way the EU and NA clients could play together =/ |
| 21:23.09 | [Matryx] | tell me about it :/ |
| 21:26.23 | krka | it wasn't obvious that you meant on Draka |
| 21:26.31 | Cairenn|WoW | I know, my mistake |
| 21:27.49 | [Matryx] | thank goodness for that :) |
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| 21:33.20 | Cairenn|WoW | hey Tem |
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| 21:36.24 | Ktron | Hey everyone... what's up with a wait time on Draka? psh |
| 21:36.47 | Cairenn|WoW | Ktron: I know, took me about 10 mins =/ |
| 21:38.45 | Ktron | Lhoof one of my other servers is even worse |
| 21:39.12 | Tem | hey Cairenn|WoW |
| 21:39.26 | Cairenn|WoW | *normally* AN is pretty bad too, but I was able to log into there in no time flat, earlier |
| 21:40.11 | Ktron | Azjub? |
| 21:41.24 | Ktron | heh, it'd be nice to be able to see queue sizes without getting in the queue, you know, have a list of queues on the server list page or something |
| 21:43.57 | MoonWolf | I see the problems with all EU and or all US being able to connect to the other side's realms but a few server set up especially for this purpose could work i think. |
| 21:46.20 | Ktron | Maybe something to ask for for an late christmas present from blizzard, heh... I think some drink-mongering while I wait in queue is in order... Yeah, having one server poll queues every 30 seconds or minute or two or something wouldn't be bad, and it'd only be text lists to retrieve from there... Though, requesting a server is probably a little high... *shrug* |
| 21:47.34 | Cairenn|WoW | so, when do folks want to go see the airport? |
| 21:48.35 | krka | that's actually one of the few things I randomly found in wow |
| 21:48.44 | krka | pretty cool stuff |
| 21:48.54 | Tem | whenever |
| 21:50.11 | Kremonte | let's go see Caverns of Time =D |
| 21:50.13 | Tem | if you want to do it now, I'm game |
| 21:50.22 | Kremonte | and the town in wetlands on the hills :D |
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| 21:51.06 | Cairenn|WoW | Kremonte: the town is part of the airport run ;) |
| 21:51.15 | Kremonte | yar, but its a pain in the ass |
| 21:51.22 | Cairenn|WoW | it is? |
| 21:51.30 | Ktron | Cairenn|WoW: is there a way to path to the airport? |
| 21:51.38 | Kremonte | well, with all the falls |
| 21:51.41 | Kremonte | i die all the time |
| 21:51.42 | Tem | I think we're about to go to it now :) |
| 21:52.03 | Cairenn|WoW | looks like .... pop onto Draka, make a random Alliance noob, I'll switch over |
| 21:52.10 | Ktron | What side of draka are people on? |
| 21:52.10 | Tem | do it on my server |
| 21:52.15 | Tem | so I can port ppl to IF |
| 21:52.32 | Tem | less running is a Good Thing |
| 21:53.02 | Cairenn|WoW | true enough Tem, but I figured most folks would just make a dorf or gnome :p |
| 21:53.09 | Kremonte | still requires running! |
| 21:53.13 | Kremonte | through troggs! troggs! |
| 21:53.21 | Cairenn|WoW | lol |
| 21:53.34 | Tem | yeah well you have any idea how many mobs there are between IF and coldridge valley there are? |
| 21:53.40 | Cairenn|WoW | fine then, lazy butts ... what server Tem? |
| 21:53.45 | Tem | Garona |
| 21:53.49 | Kremonte | the only ones you should really aggro are the troggs, tem ._.; |
| 21:54.04 | Tem | thers some bears that get me every time |
| 21:54.09 | Tem | there's* |
| 21:54.26 | Kremonte | between the tunnel and kharanos? or kharanos and IF? o.O |
| 21:54.32 | Kremonte | most of the ones i know path away |
| 21:54.43 | Tem | kharanos and IF |
| 21:54.43 | Tem | true |
| 21:54.59 | Tem | anyway... it's good to have a body guard |
| 21:55.27 | Kremonte | you could go with you two and a lock and just summon everyone to the airport :P |
| 21:55.36 | Tem | mostly, I want SSs with my main from up there |
| 21:55.42 | Tem | and I want to slowfall to menethil |
| 21:55.49 | Kremonte | heh |
| 21:55.50 | Tem | which I can't do on a random level 1 noob |
| 21:55.52 | Kremonte | <3 slowfall |
| 21:55.57 | Kremonte | teldrassil to darkshore |
| 21:56.05 | Tem | I've never tried that one |
| 21:56.12 | Tem | where do you jump from? |
| 21:56.17 | Kremonte | theres a tree |
| 21:56.24 | [Matryx] | risky |
| 21:56.24 | [Matryx] | :) |
| 21:56.28 | [Matryx] | get a filming of it |
| 21:56.29 | Cairenn|WoW | you do realize that you have to come get me in Teldrassil, right Tem? |
| 21:56.33 | Tem | psst, Teldrasil is a tree |
| 21:56.37 | Tem | Cairenn|WoW: I'm a mage |
| 21:56.39 | Kremonte | lol tem |
| 21:56.41 | Tem | No where is far |
| 21:56.47 | Kremonte | teleport: moonglade! |
| 21:56.48 | Cairenn|WoW | just reminding you :p |
| 21:57.04 | Tem | kay. Garona |
| 21:57.10 | Tem | I'll be everyone's taxi |
| 21:57.31 | Tem | Cair: are you just going to make "Cair"? |
| 21:57.45 | Ktron | So, are people on Draka in the alliance guild? I just made my first alliance character on Draka, and would be happy to have an invite |
| 21:58.12 | Cairenn|WoW | I just moved to Tem's server, Ktron, to do this run :p |
| 21:58.20 | Cairenn|WoW | I'll be back to Draka after though |
| 21:58.30 | Cairenn|WoW | Tem: nope, couldn't get it |
| 21:58.38 | Cairenn|WoW | Kiirin |
| 21:58.57 | Cairenn|WoW | couldn't get *any* of my usual names ... |
| 21:59.04 | Kremonte | judgement of wisdom is the best D: |
| 21:59.07 | Kremonte | 1.0 wand speed |
| 21:59.11 | Tem | Weird |
| 21:59.44 | Cairenn|WoW | anyway, I'm on ... Kiirin |
| 21:59.55 | Cairenn|WoW | heading to Darn |
| 22:00.09 | Tem | anyone else? |
| 22:00.38 | Cairenn|WoW | think Loz is coming over |
| 22:00.43 | Tem | judgement of wisdom is my favorite reason to keep pallys around |
| 22:01.27 | Kremonte | lol |
| 22:01.36 | Kremonte | i still have the 1.00 speed wand from the darkshire quest |
| 22:01.43 | Kremonte | and i get 2000 mana in like 15 seconds |
| 22:09.05 | Cairenn|WoW | anyone else joining us? |
| 22:10.25 | [Matryx] | EU!=US or I would |
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| 22:11.32 | Cairenn|WoW | =/ I know |
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| 22:12.09 | Guillotine__ | replicating guils... |
| 22:13.46 | Guillotine | tem, did you break the forums again? |
| 22:14.42 | Parak | http://users.skynet.be/J.Beever/batman.html |
| 22:14.51 | Ktron | woah, I totally missed the release of winterwood |
| 22:16.03 | Kremonte | if a frame is hidden, does it have any effect on your DPS? |
| 22:16.10 | Kremonte | FPS* |
| 22:16.10 | Kremonte | lol |
| 22:17.44 | krka | depends on the frame |
| 22:18.13 | Kremonte | well pretty much |
| 22:18.22 | Kremonte | i want to design and code something really really minimal |
| 22:18.26 | Kremonte | like no excess graphics at all |
| 22:18.31 | Kremonte | no funky mouseovers or anythin |
| 22:18.35 | Kremonte | and hide most of the default UI |
| 22:19.08 | Kremonte | because my performance is really pewp in BWL and whatnot |
| 22:21.03 | Guillotine | i heard (though not at all sure if its true) that CTRA is causing major performance drops in BWL |
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| 22:22.40 | Kremonte | Guillotine - not enabled right now |
| 22:22.45 | Kremonte | but the beta does have nice FPS boost from before |
| 22:22.54 | Kremonte | either way, i get really bad FPS all the time no matter what, and i dont know why |
| 22:35.02 | Kremonte | ebonroc down :D |
| 22:41.05 | MoonWolf | woohoo i found a dark whelpling |
| 22:42.38 | MoonWolf | how much money to ask for it though |
| 22:45.16 | [Matryx] | about 100g on my server |
| 22:46.51 | MoonWolf | went for 50 g and 100g buyout |
| 22:46.58 | MoonWolf | lets see what happens. |
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| 23:17.47 | RedcXe | :| |
| 23:36.02 | Kremonte | flamegor down^^ |
| 23:36.27 | Cairenn|WoW | krka: I used your wording, more or less :) |
| 23:40.15 | [Matryx] | =) |
| 23:40.46 | Ktron | Kremonte: let me know when you get past the drakes and you get to the guards with broodpowers |
| 23:41.11 | Kremonte | where are those? |
| 23:41.19 | Cairenn|WoW | Ktron: you still on Draka and needing an invite? |
| 23:41.26 | Kremonte | we're doing the 3 wyrmguards and starting chromaggus on tuesday |
| 23:51.39 | Cide | Guillotine: I heard CTRA eats babies! |
| 23:52.53 | Kremonte | ?! |
| 23:53.01 | Kremonte | so i've been killing children this whole time? |
| 23:53.11 | Cide | yeah :( |
| 23:53.20 | Kremonte | omg, i see it |
| 23:53.47 | Cide | anyway |
| 23:53.48 | Kremonte | line 705 of CT_Raid_Assist.lua |
| 23:53.55 | Kremonte | EatChildren(); |
| 23:54.12 | Cide | you caught me :( |
| 23:54.39 | Cide | beta works better? |
| 23:54.51 | Kremonte | havent been using any mods lately >< |
| 23:54.57 | Kremonte | i dont know why, my fps is such crap now |
| 23:55.06 | Kremonte | so i'm trying to design a really really small UI |
| 23:55.10 | Kremonte | and hide everything else =X |
| 23:56.30 | Cide | it will help for frames with onupdate handlers |
| 23:56.51 | Kremonte | from what i heard, arent the default unitframes onupdate heavy? |
| 23:57.00 | Cide | dunno |
| 23:57.18 | Kremonte | might be my comp |
| 23:57.28 | Kremonte | i think i might use ubuntu full time if WoW runs betterer |