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| 00:01.18 | wowguru-7710 | NE1 here? |
| 00:01.22 | wowguru-7710 | i need some help |
| 00:04.08 | wowguru-7710 | Can NE1 tell me how to stop the newest bliz patch from downloading whn i log onto WoW? i want to keep v1.8 for my hacked server, but i cant figure out how to stop the newest update =( |
| 00:04.34 | Bela|WOW | dumbass |
| 00:05.20 | Tem|BackupTime | let the formatting begin |
| 00:05.43 | Natasem | on the titan pannel ad-on is there a compiled version of it ? or i should say what is the Base UI for that so i can install it and get all teh others to work |
| 00:05.58 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tem|BackupTime (n=Matt@adsl-1-74-197.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:06.15 | Bela|WOW | the base addon for Titan Panel is Titan PAnel |
| 00:06.19 | Bela|WOW | err, Titan Panel |
| 00:06.33 | Natasem | TitanMod |
| 00:06.46 | Bela|WOW | what? |
| 00:07.25 | Bela|WOW | http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=14007 |
| 00:07.37 | Natasem | This file is a Addon for Titan Panel by TitanMod. You must have that installed before this Addon will work. |
| 00:07.40 | Natasem | i read it wrong |
| 00:07.45 | Natasem | i r special |
| 00:12.36 | Osagasu | Its amazing |
| 00:12.44 | Osagasu | Barrens chat actually managed to piss me off. |
| 00:15.07 | Natasem | ya welcome to barrens chat |
| 00:15.14 | Natasem | thats why i /leave 1 when i am there |
| 00:15.44 | Osagasu | nonono |
| 00:15.49 | Osagasu | onver a year in WoW |
| 00:15.51 | ForgottenLords | there should be an addon that does that for you... |
| 00:15.56 | Osagasu | and Barrens chat has NEVER pissed me off. |
| 00:16.04 | Osagasu | *over |
| 00:18.33 | Natasem | weeee Caydiem entered room .... |
| 00:22.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kremonte (n=help@ool-18bba4ea.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:26.08 | Natasem | we will be taking questions 15 min prior to dev chat start PM me with questions if you have them (for the Devs) |
| 00:27.29 | Legorol | what? devchat? |
| 00:27.31 | Legorol | where? how? |
| 00:28.52 | Tsurani|devchat | http://wow.warcry.com/index.php#50923 |
| 00:29.05 | Kremonte | :O |
| 00:31.42 | Tsurani|devchat | 720 ppl in our room YaY new record for us |
| 00:31.59 | Gryphen | seen that link |
| 00:32.59 | Tsurani|devchat | na in this room irc://irc.warcry.com/wow |
| 00:33.42 | Gryphen | seen that room |
| 00:33.44 | Gryphen | :p |
| 00:40.10 | Legorol | what irc server/chan is the chat on? |
| 00:40.17 | Legorol | nvm |
| 00:40.38 | Kremonte | laggy server and after 10 minutes i still didn't get the auth email |
| 00:40.38 | Kremonte | meh. |
| 00:41.02 | Kremonte | wb cair |
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| 00:41.07 | Kremonte | wb lego. |
| 00:41.15 | Legorol | rofl, i am an idiot |
| 00:41.21 | Legorol | i just typed /server irc.warcry.com in here |
| 00:41.29 | Kremonte | ./server -m irc.warcry.com |
| 00:41.43 | Legorol | yeah |
| 00:41.59 | Legorol | btw, is wowi going to host a devchat ever? ;-) |
| 00:42.28 | Cairenn | *shrug* |
| 00:42.36 | Kremonte | Hmm. |
| 00:42.42 | Kremonte | i still don't know if this would help |
| 00:43.16 | Kremonte | A UI with just my buttons on the bottom (quite a few though), a smaller minimap, and tiny unitframes, and the default UI hidden, to increase performance |
| 00:44.36 | Cairenn | so what on *earth* makes people think that we are willing to help them with emu servers in this room? |
| 00:44.46 | Kremonte | we 'mod' the game |
| 00:44.49 | Kremonte | so we must make cheats? |
| 00:45.00 | Cairenn | and thank you to everyone that has told them to go get stuffed, while I've been absent today |
| 00:45.09 | Kremonte | more people have came?>< |
| 00:45.27 | Cairenn | there've been 2 at least, that I saw just scrolling back through |
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| 00:49.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Nat_Tsu|afk (n=Natasem@63.197.112.216) |
| 00:49.04 | Cairenn | Natasem: your server doesn't seem to like me |
| 00:49.18 | Natasem | i sorry |
| 00:49.26 | Natasem | we also have a java chat |
| 00:49.34 | Cairenn | it won't let me connect either through a regular irc client nor through your javachat |
| 00:49.35 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Nat_Tsu|afk (n=Natasem@63.197.112.216) |
| 00:49.50 | Natasem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.51 | Cairenn | won't let me in that way, either |
| 00:49.57 | Cairenn | you just hate me, I know, it's okay |
| 00:50.01 | Cairenn | I'll just read the logs |
| 00:52.46 | Natasem | lol bah |
| 00:53.00 | Natasem | grr whats the password command |
| 00:53.02 | Natasem | nm |
| 00:58.32 | Ktron | I wonder how hard it would be to make a working dial |
| 00:59.26 | Kremonte | dial? |
| 01:00.12 | Ktron | a turnable knob |
| 01:00.27 | Ktron | click-hold-drag to spin type of deal |
| 01:00.38 | Ktron | I know 1.9 will make it much easier |
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| 01:04.07 | Ktron | bleh, after my last comment gaim crapped out |
| 01:05.25 | ForgottenLords | Bah... I dislike Linear Algebra |
| 01:06.54 | Kolth | You cannot |
| 01:06.56 | Ktron | heh, if you need help ForgottenLords, I might be able to help, I'm a math major |
| 01:08.16 | Tsurani|DevChat | FIXED " Ktronheh, if you need help ForgottenLords, I might be able to help, I'm a math nerd" |
| 01:08.32 | Kremonte | that was uncalled for. |
| 01:08.40 | Tsurani|DevChat | lol |
| 01:08.50 | Tsurani|DevChat | well i am a CS nerd |
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| 01:09.06 | Tsurani|DevChat | and not counter strike eiher |
| 01:09.16 | Ktron | Tsurani|DevChat: math nerds typically are math majors when they're in college. |
| 01:09.22 | Legorol | Caydiem is in the room, answering questions! |
| 01:09.29 | Cairenn | yeah, and I can't get in |
| 01:09.37 | Cairenn | nate hates me |
| 01:09.51 | Legorol | ? |
| 01:09.54 | Kremonte | cay stinks |
| 01:09.54 | Tsurani|DevChat | i sorry cair |
| 01:09.56 | Legorol | Cair, what's stopping you |
| 01:10.04 | Legorol | technical problem? |
| 01:10.10 | Legorol | who is Nate? |
| 01:10.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone here in the warcry wow chat? |
| 01:10.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Caydiem is answering questions |
| 01:10.21 | Cairenn | I can't get in ... I've tried via regular irc client, I've tried via java script ... I can't get in |
| 01:10.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:10.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I got right in |
| 01:10.44 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to /ns reg before you can speak |
| 01:10.45 | Cairenn | nate hates me |
| 01:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | irc://irc.warcry.com/wow |
| 01:12.52 | Ktron | what channel/server is it? |
| 01:13.00 | Ktron | ah |
| 01:13.34 | Cairenn | okay, in now, finally |
| 01:14.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Administ@adsl-1-74-197.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:15.17 | Tem | does anyone know what the new (1.9) usage for SaveBindings is? |
| 01:16.14 | Tem | (I know that you pass it either 1 or 2; I'm really asking what the difference is between SaveBindings(1) and SaveBindings(2)) |
| 01:17.11 | Legorol | here is a tip for the dev-chat: type out your question beforehand in Notepad or something |
| 01:17.16 | Legorol | so that when they are collecting, you can quickly copy/paste |
| 01:17.22 | Legorol | it's usually first come, first served in chats like this |
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| 01:18.33 | Kremonte | heh, jumped from searing gorge to inside the SI:7 building in SW |
| 01:18.48 | Tem | how did you manage that? |
| 01:18.49 | Ktron | lol |
| 01:18.58 | Kremonte | 3 slow falls |
| 01:19.05 | Tem | where did you jump from? |
| 01:19.07 | Kremonte | from the highest mountain i could find |
| 01:19.11 | Tsurani|DevChat | yep leg thats what we are hopeing for |
| 01:19.14 | Ktron | that's spectactular kremonte.... did they change something with pathing to allow people to climb higher? |
| 01:19.20 | Kremonte | ? no |
| 01:19.29 | Kremonte | i'm a born mountain climber |
| 01:19.32 | Ktron | lol |
| 01:19.35 | Kremonte | and that's dead in 1.9, so i'm not doing anything now |
| 01:19.37 | Kremonte | besides climbing |
| 01:19.42 | Kremonte | fking bliz -.- |
| 01:19.50 | Ktron | I still haven't found the path to the airport yet |
| 01:20.03 | Ktron | I've gotten on top of Gurubashi Arena, like way on top a bunch of times |
| 01:20.09 | Ktron | that's a fun trick |
| 01:20.18 | Legorol | let's have a brainstorm about UI questions to the devs, |
| 01:20.30 | Legorol | i am planning to ask the following: |
| 01:20.40 | Legorol | what are current plans for signed/secure AddOns? |
| 01:20.48 | Legorol | how far is it into the design/development/testing cycle |
| 01:21.02 | Cairenn | okay, so now I'm trying to figure out why my nick doesn't show up on the list :p |
| 01:21.07 | Legorol | what is the status of the UI guideline doc |
| 01:21.15 | Legorol | Cairenn, did you register? |
| 01:21.20 | Cairenn | yup yup |
| 01:21.23 | Ktron | heh, I just made it over |
| 01:21.28 | Tsurani|DevChat | u get your e-mail |
| 01:21.34 | Cairenn | yup, and responded |
| 01:21.41 | Legorol | mine took 10 minutes, heh |
| 01:21.48 | Cairenn | already identified myself and everything |
| 01:22.04 | Kremonte | mine is 30 minutes and counting |
| 01:22.27 | Tsurani|DevChat | ya in the last 30 min we have gone from 500 users to 1k users and everyone is regestering |
| 01:22.37 | Kremonte | meh, hell with it though |
| 01:22.44 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Ktron (n=Khamer@c-24-128-236-179.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 01:22.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Ktron (n=Khamer@c-24-128-236-179.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 01:23.11 | Cairenn | anyway, whatever, I'm in channel finally ... but Tsurani|DevChat, you are *going* to have to go +m, obviously |
| 01:23.16 | Cairenn | that is *insane* in there |
| 01:23.24 | Tsurani|DevChat | ya we are |
| 01:23.40 | Cairenn | good |
| 01:25.12 | Ktron | yeah, definitely insane |
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| 01:25.36 | Depherios | O_o |
| 01:25.49 | Ktron | we should invite Caydiem to a secret meeting here |
| 01:25.59 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:27.11 | Cairenn | you've got Net in room, and Alex ... don't see anyone from ui.wow or wowguru, though |
| 01:27.41 | Cairenn | Cay knows about this channel already, Ktron ;) |
| 01:27.53 | Legorol | does she ever show up? |
| 01:27.58 | Legorol | maybe not as Caydiem but under an alias ;-) |
| 01:28.04 | Cairenn | hasn't as of yet |
| 01:28.04 | Legorol | i am happy with a yes/no |
| 01:28.07 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:28.25 | Cairenn | the modding community isn't really her cup of tea, though, so no big surprise |
| 01:28.28 | Legorol | btw, has this dev-chat been advertised on US site? |
| 01:28.30 | Cairenn | she's got enough on her plate |
| 01:28.33 | Legorol | Cairenn, of course |
| 01:28.47 | Tsurani|DevChat | ya |
| 01:29.01 | Tsurani|DevChat | i posted it in many locations and boards |
| 01:29.06 | Tsurani|DevChat | as well as spamed my server |
| 01:29.41 | norganna | This is gonna be nuts |
| 01:29.59 | Legorol | i mean official posts about it, Tsurani|DevChat |
| 01:30.07 | Legorol | norganna, and hopefully fun :D |
| 01:30.21 | Legorol | thanks god i didn't go to sleep 5 minutes before Tem? i think who it was that mentioned dev-chat in here |
| 01:30.43 | Cairenn | it's been posted on WoWI for (however long) now too |
| 01:30.48 | Tem | I didn't know about it until a few hours ago |
| 01:30.57 | Tem | so I'm not sure if I'll attend |
| 01:31.14 | Legorol | i was almost going to sleep |
| 01:31.18 | Legorol | i'm going to stay up for it now |
| 01:31.21 | Tsurani|DevChat | ya sorry i been away for the weekend or i would have posted it sooner |
| 01:31.33 | Tsurani|DevChat | but cair i'l give you the dev log at the end if you want me to |
| 01:31.47 | Cairenn | sure |
| 01:31.56 | Tem | where what server and channel? |
| 01:32.03 | Cairenn | although as I said, I *am* in the channel now, even if I don't show up, for whatever reason |
| 01:32.25 | Cairenn | tem: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2685 |
| 01:32.33 | Tem | Thanks c |
| 01:32.36 | Tem | Cairenn: |
| 01:32.42 | Cairenn | np hun :) |
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| 01:34.04 | Nat_Tsu|afk | [QT]Tsurani |
| 01:34.13 | Cairenn | okay, tell me this, does my name show for anyone else, in that channel? Cairenn, per usual |
| 01:34.42 | Cairenn | I wanna give Cay real-time Christmas hugs :p |
| 01:34.42 | Legorol | nope, not showing for me |
| 01:34.52 | Cairenn | bleh, okay |
| 01:35.01 | norganna | nope me neither |
| 01:35.12 | Depherios | nein |
| 01:35.33 | Depherios | which reminds me, my nick is wrong |
| 01:35.37 | Cairenn | ah well, at least I'm in, I'll just call her instead :p |
| 01:35.51 | Depherios | oh... I see... cant' change it |
| 01:35.57 | Legorol | my questions so far: http://wow.pastebin.com/471114 |
| 01:36.02 | Legorol | if anyone has anything to add, shoot |
| 01:36.12 | Legorol | or if you think some are dumb |
| 01:37.03 | Depherios | Looks good |
| 01:37.14 | norganna | yup - good |
| 01:37.46 | Cairenn | looks good Lego ... the chance of any of them being answered? meh ... neither of the devs speaking are UI devs |
| 01:38.07 | Legorol | :( |
| 01:38.08 | norganna | yup - they will be ignored :) |
| 01:38.08 | Depherios | All the more reason to ask them number 7/4 |
| 01:38.10 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:38.24 | Legorol | well, ok, i will try the generic questions then |
| 01:38.25 | Depherios | they'll know THAT one |
| 01:38.32 | norganna | but don't let that dishearten you |
| 01:38.35 | Legorol | how about something like: what importance/emphasis is there on UI modding |
| 01:38.39 | norganna | ask anyway! |
| 01:38.43 | Legorol | even non-UI devs know that |
| 01:38.44 | Cairenn | legorol, don't get me wrong, ask anyway! |
| 01:38.57 | Legorol | well i expect 1, maybe 2 of my questsions will go through if at all |
| 01:39.02 | Depherios | ^_^ |
| 01:39.03 | Cairenn | just saying, don't be surprised if they aren't answered, is all |
| 01:39.07 | Legorol | so i'm asking for input on which ones you guys think are the most important |
| 01:39.12 | Legorol | Cairenn, i wouldn't be |
| 01:39.16 | Legorol | seen devchats before ;-) |
| 01:39.19 | Depherios | 1 and 4/7 |
| 01:39.21 | Legorol | had my questions completely ignored many times |
| 01:39.28 | Cairenn | *BLINK* |
| 01:39.37 | Cairenn | ***Caydiem goes off to do patch notes. |
| 01:39.38 | Legorol | Depherios, what? |
| 01:39.43 | Legorol | Cairenn, yeah, scared me too |
| 01:39.47 | clad|devchat | =) |
| 01:39.56 | norganna | :) |
| 01:39.58 | Legorol | i think that means 1.9 |
| 01:40.00 | Depherios | I'd say the first and last questions are the two more important (to me) |
| 01:40.28 | Legorol | 1 will not get answered, i don't think |
| 01:40.31 | Cairenn | oookay, wtf?! |
| 01:40.32 | norganna | 3 and 5 for me |
| 01:40.35 | Depherios | ditto |
| 01:40.44 | Depherios | (about it not getting answered) |
| 01:40.46 | Ktron | heh, Cairenn, you there? |
| 01:40.48 | Tem | oh dare |
| 01:40.49 | Cairenn | my nick over there is "wow"? |
| 01:40.50 | Tem | dear |
| 01:40.51 | Depherios | but it's the one I want to know |
| 01:40.59 | Depherios | lol, my nick is Dephemait |
| 01:41.09 | Cairenn | ktron, there where? here? devchat? cosmos channel? |
| 01:41.14 | Tem | I hope tomorrow is __not__ patch day |
| 01:41.20 | Ktron | Cairenn: would you be opposed to us/me tossing a [WoWi] in front of my nick for this? |
| 01:41.26 | Ktron | Cairenn: I meant in here ;) |
| 01:41.27 | Cairenn | no |
| 01:41.32 | Cairenn | I wouldn't object |
| 01:41.39 | clad|devchat | Ktron: I can't change my nick =/ |
| 01:41.43 | Cairenn | I just want to know how the I&Q(%&*94 to change my nick |
| 01:41.46 | Depherios | too bad you can't change nick |
| 01:41.57 | Ktron | you can aslong as you aren't on the channel |
| 01:42.38 | clad|devchat | WoWi is the format we're going with? |
| 01:42.39 | clad|devchat | =) |
| 01:42.45 | Depherios | thanks Ktron |
| 01:43.02 | clad|devchat | I prefer all lowercase =) |
| 01:43.20 | Ktron | Cairenn: just leave #wow, then '/nick newnick' and you'll have to register again |
| 01:43.35 | clad|devchat | Ktron: which are we going with? =) |
| 01:43.44 | clad|devchat | I strive for consistency |
| 01:43.55 | norganna | i wish the ops would take their "chit-chat" elsewhere |
| 01:44.02 | Ktron | Cairenn gets last say if she wants it, I think [WoWi] looks best |
| 01:44.06 | clad|devchat | k k =) |
| 01:44.22 | Cairenn | wowi is fine, if you guys want to use it |
| 01:44.26 | Cairenn | but don't feel obligated |
| 01:44.36 | Cairenn | you are there are yourselves |
| 01:44.51 | Cairenn | if you want to "affliate" yourselves with WoWI for this, you are welcome too, though :) |
| 01:45.33 | Legorol | lol, this channel is like a spectator's lounge for the "live match" in #wow |
| 01:45.57 | Ktron | it's intense in there |
| 01:45.59 | Ktron | heh |
| 01:46.03 | norganna | all the joins and parts are a bit annoying, and i can't turn them off in my client... |
| 01:46.12 | Cairenn | me either =/ |
| 01:46.23 | Depherios | I'm considering firing up mIRC just to ditch those |
| 01:46.30 | norganna | hehe |
| 01:46.48 | Depherios | trillian doesn't like the lag either... |
| 01:46.49 | norganna | i was thinking of booting up bitchx |
| 01:46.58 | Ktron | I'm trying to see if chatzilla can hide joins/parts |
| 01:48.08 | Legorol | If you guys don't mind, i'd like to hold a show of hands on which of my questions (found here: http://wow.pastebin.com/471131) should i ask first? |
| 01:48.16 | Legorol | Assume i will get 1 question answered, which one should it be |
| 01:48.20 | Legorol | actually, i have a better idea |
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| 01:48.25 | *** mode/#WoWI-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 01:48.29 | Legorol | why don't you guys take some of my questions and submit them |
| 01:48.36 | Legorol | maybe we have better chance that way |
| 01:48.48 | Ktron | yeah, chatzilla can hide joins/parts, nice |
| 01:49.06 | Ktron | you know you're a dev when you use pastebin to show question lists ;)\ |
| 01:49.14 | Depherios | lol |
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| 01:50.18 | Ktron | Legorol: I think your first two would be nice to here responses from |
| 01:50.31 | Ktron | I think your third will get asked/answered somewhere along the way |
| 01:50.46 | Tain | What if C A T really spelled DOG? |
| 01:51.20 | Cairenn | so, since Gaim decided to boot me and I missed it ... did Cay respond at all to my "blinks at her last statement" about the patch? |
| 01:51.30 | Tain | I sure as help hope that's going to be a moderated chat. |
| 01:51.47 | Cairenn | it's moderated |
| 01:52.21 | Tain | Ug it's moderated and there's that many people talking? |
| 01:52.43 | Depherios | yup |
| 01:52.49 | Depherios | ops just keep talking |
| 01:53.38 | Ktron | Legorol: sent your first two to [qt]patman too, so if you did, hopefully the repetition helps |
| 01:53.42 | clad|devchat | Anyone know how to turn part/join messages off in BitchX? |
| 01:54.01 | Legorol | Ktron: the first two are unlikely to get answered in a general dev-chat |
| 01:54.08 | Legorol | if anything, we might have more luck with the last two |
| 01:54.20 | Legorol | thanks though! |
| 01:54.31 | Legorol | woot, finally figured out how to kill join/part/quits for #wow |
| 01:55.15 | Ktron | Legorol: which program are you using? |
| 01:55.20 | Legorol | mirc |
| 01:55.25 | clad|devchat | Anyone know how to do it in BitchX? |
| 01:55.25 | Ktron | ah |
| 01:55.27 | Cairenn | anyone figure out how to kill them for Gaim? |
| 01:55.33 | clad|devchat | im fighting rag.. so i cant look it up |
| 01:55.38 | Legorol | i beleive Gaim is too limited for that, Cairenn :( |
| 01:55.44 | Cairenn | probably =/ |
| 01:55.45 | Ktron | Cairenn: don't think you can:(... I recommend getting Chatzilla for FF |
| 01:55.45 | Legorol | i can be wrong |
| 01:55.47 | Tain | clad: /ignore #channel JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 01:55.51 | Cairenn | should go to mIRC |
| 01:55.53 | Legorol | download mirc! |
| 01:55.54 | Legorol | :-) |
| 01:56.17 | Ktron | and then options-->appearance-->conference mode limit-->set the number to like 50 or 100 or something to make sure it triggers |
| 01:56.26 | clad|devchat | /ignore #channel JOINS PARTS QUITS for bitchx |
| 01:56.27 | clad|devchat | thanks tain |
| 01:57.18 | Legorol | Ktron: in mirc it's also possible to turn off join/part notifications on a per-channel basis |
| 01:57.47 | Legorol | For that, left-click the icon in top-left hand corner of the window associated with the channel, -> Events |
| 01:58.01 | Legorol | and select Hide for the joins/parts/quits etc. |
| 02:00.15 | Legorol | let the show begin! |
| 02:00.41 | Ktron | heh, I'm just not a fan of mIRc |
| 02:00.48 | Legorol | ugh, where did i put my canopener? |
| 02:00.52 | Ktron | heh, I don't like using demoware if there's a free alternative |
| 02:01.00 | Ktron | or shareware |
| 02:01.03 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 02:01.10 | norganna | darn - i just found out how to hide joins parts and quits in bitchx and come back here and you guys are already there :) |
| 02:01.12 | Legorol | i don't like shareware either, that's why i purchased mirc |
| 02:01.16 | Ktron | heh |
| 02:01.20 | Legorol | it's about the only piece of shareware i have ever purchased |
| 02:01.34 | Legorol | i found it so useful, the best irc client (for me at least) that i have ever tried |
| 02:02.28 | Legorol | will it hit 1500 users? |
| 02:02.38 | Legorol | how about 2k? |
| 02:02.40 | Depherios | yeah... it's close now |
| 02:02.49 | Depherios | eh... probably not 2k, it's already 56 |
| 02:02.54 | Depherios | 6 |
| 02:03.02 | Depherios | gah, trillian is laggin' me down |
| 02:03.26 | Ktron | Legorol: did you submit all yoru questions to [qt]patman? |
| 02:03.49 | Cairenn | lego, how did you get rid of join/parts in mIRC? |
| 02:05.00 | Legorol | [01:58] <Legorol> For that, left-click the icon in top-left hand corner of the window associated with the channel, -> Events |
| 02:05.00 | Legorol | [01:58] <Legorol> and select Hide for the joins/parts/quits etc. |
| 02:05.02 | Legorol | [01:58] <Legorol> For that, left-click the icon in top-left hand corner of the window associated with the channel, -> Events |
| 02:05.02 | Legorol | [01:58] <Legorol> and select Hide for the joins/parts/quits etc. |
| 02:05.03 | clad|devchat | mmm.. moderation is sexy |
| 02:05.14 | Legorol | aren't all those names CMs? |
| 02:05.18 | Legorol | which ones is the dev? |
| 02:05.46 | Legorol | Cairenn, let me know if that's confusing |
| 02:06.04 | Depherios | ugh... much better @ mIRC |
| 02:06.09 | Cairenn | I'll find it |
| 02:06.12 | norganna | i love how cay is there twice :) |
| 02:06.44 | Legorol | isn't this supposed to be a dev chat? i don't see any devs... boooo |
| 02:07.08 | Legorol | i don't like the universal application of the term "dev" to anyone working on/with the game :( but that's how most players know the term |
| 02:07.11 | Legorol | which is a shame really |
| 02:07.19 | Tain | Cair: Try /ignore #wow JOINS |
| 02:08.03 | Cairenn | found it |
| 02:09.19 | Legorol | is it just me or has #wow gone quiet? |
| 02:09.30 | Cairenn | and lego ... it's *right* click one the tab, then left click on events |
| 02:09.44 | Legorol | that works too |
| 02:09.45 | Cairenn | s/one/on/ |
| 02:10.00 | Legorol | i was referring to the icon on the top-left of the window associated with the channel |
| 02:10.05 | Legorol | the tiny icon that looks like a window itself |
| 02:10.15 | Legorol | but whatever works for you ;-) |
| 02:10.29 | Cairenn | left clicking that minimizes it, for me ;) |
| 02:10.33 | norganna | bitchxers may want to /ignore the MODES as well |
| 02:10.36 | Cairenn | anyway, shutting up in here, for now |
| 02:10.36 | Ktron | they've pretty much killed all convos now |
| 02:10.58 | Cairenn | the channel is moderated now |
| 02:11.15 | Legorol | oh i see what you mean, do you have the channel window maximised? |
| 02:11.22 | Legorol | in which case i am talking about the icon next to the File menu |
| 02:11.34 | Ktron | heh, dual monitors mean right now, I've got #wow on one monitor, #WoWI-lounge and some AIM conversations tabbed together on the other, and ocean's 11 playing just below them ;) |
| 02:11.38 | Cairenn | ahhhhhh |
| 02:11.54 | Legorol | you are right, same thing as the right-click on the channel tab |
| 02:11.58 | Legorol | sorry for being confusing |
| 02:12.17 | Depherios | right click on channel tab is new |
| 02:12.17 | Cairenn | no worries, just wasn't on the same page was all ;) |
| 02:12.20 | Depherios | I forgot too |
| 02:12.27 | Ktron | whomever pointed out they aren't devs, I /agree.... 4 of them are CMs, 1 World Design and 1 game systems |
| 02:12.29 | Depherios | never used to be able to do that XD |
| 02:12.36 | Legorol | yay, the Europe CMs are there too! |
| 02:12.46 | Legorol | Kron: who is the game systems? |
| 02:12.52 | Legorol | poor Euro CMs, it's 3am there |
| 02:13.01 | Legorol | they are certainly workign overtime for their bonus |
| 02:13.08 | clad|devchat | Kalgan == game systems imo |
| 02:13.25 | Legorol | he is lead design |
| 02:13.57 | Tem | ug this is silly... What client should I switch to to hide the join/parts? |
| 02:14.05 | Legorol | tem: mirc |
| 02:14.06 | Legorol | :-) |
| 02:14.07 | clad|devchat | legorol: yes, responsible for Game Systems. |
| 02:14.10 | clad|devchat | read his intro =) |
| 02:14.12 | Legorol | ah right |
| 02:14.15 | Depherios | mIRC is handlihng it mUCH better than trillian |
| 02:14.18 | clad|devchat | *wink* |
| 02:14.20 | Depherios | no lag or anything |
| 02:14.21 | Ktron | Legorol: lead design of game systems according to the intro--- clad|devchat wins |
| 02:14.27 | Legorol | sorry, my bad |
| 02:14.33 | norganna | uhm - nobody's saying anything on mine... |
| 02:14.40 | norganna | oh, there it goes |
| 02:14.42 | Cairenn | Tem ... I popped into mIRC just for it, instead of Gaim |
| 02:14.43 | clad|devchat | god.. i hate when they ask questions I can answer. |
| 02:14.51 | Cairenn | I'm still in gaim for the rest though |
| 02:15.11 | Legorol | i think i am disappointed :( they basically have the same "frontend" people as on the forums |
| 02:15.16 | clad|devchat | *nod* |
| 02:15.19 | Legorol | we won't get anything here today that we wouldn't on the forums |
| 02:15.31 | Osagasu | what did the +u do? |
| 02:15.33 | Legorol | then again, with hindsight, that was to be expected... these are the official spokespersons for the company |
| 02:15.44 | Kolth | The Blizzard dev chat is hilarious to watch. |
| 02:15.52 | Kolth | They can't figure out how to use IRC (the ops can't) |
| 02:15.59 | Ktron | Kolth: the blizzard dev chat? |
| 02:15.59 | Legorol | so they are the ones trained to "safely" answer questions |
| 02:16.06 | Osagasu | limit it to 2k people |
| 02:16.06 | Osagasu | and be done with it |
| 02:16.11 | Legorol | Kolth, i think we are all watching it ;-) |
| 02:16.25 | Depherios | no |
| 02:16.26 | Depherios | maybe so XD |
| 02:16.33 | Depherios | yeah... I think Brain is a bot, lol |
| 02:17.00 | Legorol | gah, that's a disappointing answer |
| 02:17.06 | Legorol | i'm not happy with the raid schedule either |
| 02:17.11 | Cairenn | hey! |
| 02:17.11 | Legorol | yaya!! |
| 02:17.13 | Cairenn | go Lego! |
| 02:17.14 | norganna | wooot! |
| 02:17.18 | norganna | YAY! |
| 02:17.19 | clad|devchat | *cheer* |
| 02:17.26 | Depherios | YTAAAAAY |
| 02:17.39 | Ktron | woot Legorol |
| 02:18.00 | clad|devchat | and who gets to answer |
| 02:18.01 | Legorol | rofl, i am getting many tells from many people |
| 02:18.21 | Ktron | Legorol: what sort of tells? |
| 02:18.26 | norganna | they are fighting... nonone wants to answer hehe |
| 02:18.32 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:18.45 | Legorol | good ones and bad ones |
| 02:18.49 | Legorol | mostly bad ones, like "wtf???" |
| 02:18.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Vallerius (i=Valleriu@S0106000129254010.ss.shawcable.net) |
| 02:18.56 | Ktron | watch them put up a 'next question' and that's it ;) |
| 02:18.58 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.12 | Cairenn | btw guys ... in case I forget to say it later ... thank you ... I'm really *really* touched that you guys affiliated yourselves with WoWI for this |
| 02:19.21 | Osagasu | we did? |
| 02:19.41 | Vallerius | you guys over in the dev talk? |
| 02:19.43 | Cairenn | there you go, an answer :) |
| 02:19.46 | Cairenn | Vallerius: aye |
| 02:19.53 | Tem | wtf! How do I use mirc |
| 02:19.58 | Tem | I can't make it connect |
| 02:20.36 | Cairenn | Osagasu: a bunch have /nick [WoWI] name |
| 02:20.44 | Legorol | well, they completely sidestepped the question :D |
| 02:21.07 | Ktron | Cairenn: heh, having a tag makes me feel like I'm slightly more legitimate to listen to here, and way more legitimate than a guild tag would be too |
| 02:21.13 | Cairenn | not completely, you asked how much attention they pay, they said they pay lots |
| 02:21.36 | Tem | Ok WTF now it won't let me in the channel |
| 02:21.41 | Cairenn | =/ Tem |
| 02:21.42 | Tem | says I need a registered nick to join |
| 02:21.43 | Legorol | Cairenn, that's true |
| 02:22.12 | norganna | "Do you love me, and how much?", "Yes, and lots :)" |
| 02:22.14 | Tem | I was in it just a few minutes ago without a registered nick! |
| 02:22.16 | Tem | ARG! |
| 02:22.22 | Vallerius | people were nick-spamming the channel |
| 02:22.23 | Depherios | that's that +u |
| 02:22.25 | Cairenn | norganna: yup :) |
| 02:22.28 | Depherios | it's on now, I'll tell you if it turns off |
| 02:22.29 | Vallerius | so they locked it down |
| 02:22.38 | Tem | how the hell do I register my nick? |
| 02:22.56 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.57 | norganna | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.05 | norganna | er |
| 02:23.10 | norganna | what cair said :) |
| 02:23.11 | Tem | same on their server? |
| 02:23.14 | Cairenn | then get the email, do /msg nickserv authorize <code> |
| 02:23.20 | Cairenn | that you get in the email |
| 02:23.21 | Osagasu | The Hunter and Priest quests had some pretty unique elements to them. As always, we're trying to develop new and interesting ways for people to complete quests. We'll always be evolving our quest theory and trying new things out. The funnest stuff will get repeated in newer and cooler ways. |
| 02:23.23 | Osagasu | Tigole |
| 02:23.26 | Ktron | or just /msg nickserv AUTH <code> |
| 02:23.53 | Cairenn | then /msg nickserv identify <pass> |
| 02:24.00 | Cairenn | then you should be able to get in channel |
| 02:24.03 | Tem | thanks |
| 02:24.07 | Osagasu | ahaha |
| 02:24.13 | Osagasu | [9:22pm] <@Tigole> The Hunter and Priest quests had some pretty unique elements to them. As always, we're trying to develop new and interesting ways for people to complete quests. We'll always be evolving our quest theory and trying new things out. The funnest stuff will get repeated in newer and cooler ways. |
| 02:24.14 | Osagasu | [9:23pm] Craig sets mode: -u |
| 02:24.14 | Osagasu | [9:23pm] Lupin (eski@ChatSpike-6427EB9D.gv.shawcable.net) has joined. «26 people» |
| 02:24.14 | Osagasu | [9:23pm] CadPriest (dylsav@ChatSpike-72FA39EB.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) has joined. «27 people» |
| 02:24.14 | Osagasu | [9:23pm] <@Caydiem> I'm afraid we have no comment on Angelbacon's burning question. |
| 02:24.18 | Osagasu | That was all I got |
| 02:24.21 | Cairenn | Osagasu: don't need to repeat, most of us are reading it |
| 02:24.22 | Legorol | i'm making a log of the chat |
| 02:24.27 | Legorol | so i can dcc it to anyone afterwards |
| 02:24.27 | Osagasu | err |
| 02:24.28 | Ktron | as am I |
| 02:24.28 | clad|devchat | same |
| 02:24.31 | clad|devchat | on two clients =) |
| 02:24.32 | Osagasu | there's noone IN the channel |
| 02:24.33 | Depherios | [18:23] <Caydiem> I'm afraid we have no comment on Angelbacon's burning question. |
| 02:24.33 | Depherios | [18:23] * Angelbacon was kicked by [QT]w00t (Don't.) |
| 02:24.36 | Ktron | I wonder what AngelBacon's burning question was? |
| 02:24.53 | Depherios | +u back up |
| 02:24.56 | Osagasu | I see 32 people |
| 02:25.00 | Osagasu | none of you are on my list |
| 02:25.11 | Legorol | that question about dispels/decursive is nuts |
| 02:25.13 | Depherios | it'll load up |
| 02:25.15 | Legorol | decursive is not banned, haha |
| 02:25.18 | Cairenn | that as may be, we're all watching it too ... or a goodly portion of us, at least |
| 02:25.18 | Legorol | khm |
| 02:25.34 | Cairenn | there's over 1k people in the channel |
| 02:25.44 | Depherios | they just... unmoderated the channel |
| 02:25.48 | Depherios | ....... oh....... crap |
| 02:25.48 | Osagasu | I noticed |
| 02:25.55 | Tem | Ok I made it in |
| 02:26.05 | Osagasu | sorry bout that, I really am only noting 32 people |
| 02:26.09 | Legorol | have they unmodded it? lol |
| 02:26.22 | Depherios | [18:25] * [QT]w00t sets mode: -m |
| 02:26.31 | Legorol | so how come it's not being flooded |
| 02:26.39 | Depherios | because nobody is trying? |
| 02:26.40 | Osagasu | people aren't watching |
| 02:26.42 | Kremonte | what's the server again? |
| 02:26.45 | Depherios | or because it just exploded |
| 02:26.46 | Cairenn | people are actually being kind? |
| 02:26.51 | Cairenn | irc.warcry.com |
| 02:26.56 | Cairenn | #wow |
| 02:28.00 | Tem | is Anything going on right now? |
| 02:28.07 | Legorol | heh, not much of an answer to the BG question |
| 02:28.08 | Ktron | not really |
| 02:28.09 | Tem | I haven't seen any activity since I joined the channel |
| 02:28.13 | Cairenn | and Legorol, to answer one of your earlier questions to me ... chances are that no, WoWI won't ever host a dev chat, since the folks we would want to talk to wouldn't be allowed to, they aren't front end |
| 02:28.19 | Kremonte | ... wow that server sucks |
| 02:28.24 | Kremonte | i still didnt get my auth |
| 02:28.25 | Maldivia | damn it's going slow in there :) |
| 02:28.30 | Cairenn | tem, nothing in the last couple minutes that I've seen |
| 02:28.36 | Tem | k |
| 02:28.37 | Kremonte | so i see if i can resend it, and it tells me to do /ns set email <email> |
| 02:28.42 | Kremonte | but to do that, i need to auth |
| 02:28.47 | Kremonte | but to auth, i need to set my email -_- |
| 02:28.56 | Cairenn | register a new nick ;) |
| 02:29.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.17 | Osagasu | woot! |
| 02:29.18 | Osagasu | speech! |
| 02:29.21 | Legorol | Kremonte, leave chan, change nick, rereg |
| 02:29.28 | Ktron | Cairenn: we'd have to have an unofficial dev chat, and not tell anyone else about the goings on |
| 02:29.29 | Kremonte | i can't even get IN the channel |
| 02:29.31 | Kremonte | it's retardfed |
| 02:29.50 | Ktron | WOOT! that patman question is MINE |
| 02:29.52 | Depherios | it's not the server |
| 02:29.53 | Depherios | it's IRC |
| 02:29.53 | Legorol | you will need to wait for the reg email, might take a wjile |
| 02:30.02 | Ktron | oh wait |
| 02:30.05 | Cairenn | that's because you need to be registered, auth'd and identified |
| 02:30.07 | Ktron | sorry, I got excited for no reason |
| 02:30.14 | Kremonte | Depherios - it has never happened on any server before |
| 02:30.17 | Kremonte | it is NOT sending the auth |
| 02:30.30 | Legorol | it is, just takes a while |
| 02:30.32 | Kremonte | Legorol - i've waited an hour |
| 02:30.33 | Osagasu | patman didn't ask a question. o.O |
| 02:30.36 | Ktron | heh, if they're getting rid of DK i'll be sad |
| 02:30.36 | Legorol | oh |
| 02:30.37 | Kremonte | more than 60 minutes -_-" |
| 02:30.37 | Cairenn | Ktron: we get unoffical dev talk all the time ;) |
| 02:30.53 | Legorol | Kremonte, have you tried changing your nick, |
| 02:30.57 | Ktron | Osagasu: yeah, I saw my own question in the chat and got excited for a second without looking closely |
| 02:30.57 | Kremonte | yes |
| 02:30.57 | Legorol | and requesting a fresh reg? |
| 02:31.01 | Kremonte | yes -_-" |
| 02:31.03 | Ktron | Cairenn: heh, I know :) |
| 02:31.03 | Legorol | spam filter? |
| 02:31.08 | Kremonte | 3rd nick now |
| 02:31.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphon (n=masked@c-67-183-238-150.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 02:31.10 | Kremonte | spam filter is off. |
| 02:31.11 | Legorol | my auth email went to the spam folder |
| 02:31.21 | Legorol | :/ |
| 02:31.25 | Cairenn | wb Gryphon :) |
| 02:31.30 | Ktron | Cairenn: it's one of the reasons to hang in this channel |
| 02:31.39 | Kremonte | [ 08:09 ] [NickServ] An authentication code for your nickname has been sent to dan@dan-rouse.com. |
| 02:31.40 | Kremonte | [ 08:55 ] [NickServ] An authentication code for your nickname has been sent to dan@dan-rouse.com. |
| 02:31.40 | Kremonte | [ 09:30 ] [NickServ] An authentication code for your nickname has been sent to dan@dan-rouse.com. |
| 02:31.42 | Cairenn | I hope it isn't the only one |
| 02:31.46 | Kremonte | hey, guess what; no email. |
| 02:31.52 | Legorol | yes i have to say we do have more exclusive access than other players |
| 02:31.58 | Legorol | which does make me proud |
| 02:32.03 | Legorol | and we have Cairenn! |
| 02:32.08 | Depherios | ^_^ |
| 02:32.11 | Cairenn | :p |
| 02:32.14 | clad|devchat | My got sent to the spam folder |
| 02:32.20 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 02:32.27 | Kremonte | hey! i got an email from ClassMates |
| 02:32.27 | norganna | is there anyone who can't get on still? |
| 02:32.28 | Cairenn | heh, no chance |
| 02:32.28 | Ktron | Cairenn: I think reason two is the developers in here are the most likely people to really be interested or have reasonable answer to ui dev questiosn |
| 02:32.41 | Kremonte | norganna - 1h20m and counting on auth email |
| 02:32.41 | Cairenn | Ktron: that's the idea :) |
| 02:32.44 | Legorol | damn, i have to try the tickle-attack then! |
| 02:32.50 | Legorol | are you ticklish, Cairenn? |
| 02:32.58 | norganna | i've got a transcript running at http://norganna.org/devchat.txt |
| 02:32.58 | Ktron | Cairenn: and reason three is probably that the people in here are generally interesting enough to merit talking to and listening to |
| 02:33.53 | Kremonte | lol, ask Kalgan why there are multiple Event Generator 001's under SW :P |
| 02:34.02 | Cairenn | Kremonte: >< |
| 02:34.05 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:34.17 | Kremonte | why not ? =O |
| 02:35.53 | Cairenn | I'd log this, but between the bunch of you, I've no doubt someone will be kind enough to post the transcript for me ;) |
| 02:36.06 | Kremonte | http://norganna.org/devchat.txt |
| 02:37.01 | Legorol | norganna, if you don't mind explaining the technical sides, how are you getting the devchat online live? |
| 02:37.11 | Legorol | are you doing it manually, via script, or some nifty irc client? |
| 02:37.20 | Kremonte | Legorol- mIRC can live-save to a txt file, and you can set an FTP to upload at intervals |
| 02:37.28 | norganna | copy and paste buddy :) |
| 02:37.29 | Kremonte | not sure if mIRC has FTP support |
| 02:37.31 | Kremonte | or that |
| 02:37.32 | Kremonte | XD |
| 02:37.32 | Legorol | fair enough Kremonte |
| 02:37.36 | Legorol | lol, now i know it's high tech |
| 02:37.37 | Depherios | there's FTP addons for mIRC XD |
| 02:37.48 | Legorol | (this question was asked to bring some "dev" aspect into the dev-chat :p) |
| 02:38.19 | Ktron | These questions are crappy |
| 02:38.24 | Depherios | yup |
| 02:38.28 | Ktron | How could someone not notice Gnomeregan? |
| 02:38.31 | Kremonte | Y RENT PALADENS TANKED |
| 02:38.35 | Depherios | being a complete idiot? |
| 02:38.35 | Ktron | yeah |
| 02:38.38 | Ktron | I'm not a fan |
| 02:38.38 | Kremonte | Ktron - huh |
| 02:38.41 | Depherios | I DDIN"T EVEN WATCH THE NTRO MOVIE |
| 02:39.00 | Tem | I want to know why they are calling it a dev chat when it's all CMs present |
| 02:39.11 | Ktron | now now, there's 4 CMs and 2 designers |
| 02:39.19 | Tem | w/e |
| 02:39.28 | Osagasu | that... wasn't the quesiton. |
| 02:39.28 | Tem | hehe |
| 02:39.29 | Kremonte | o_O |
| 02:39.32 | Osagasu | *QUESTION |
| 02:39.34 | Kolth | Tem: They're asking Dev questions. |
| 02:39.41 | Depherios | THERE'S REPLACEMENTS FOR WARRIORS |
| 02:39.43 | Tain | Welcome to dev chats. ;) |
| 02:39.44 | Depherios | ... called DRUIDS |
| 02:39.52 | Vallerius | someone should slip tigole some ninja-questions |
| 02:40.13 | Kremonte | Depherios - NO, DRUIDS R ROUGES |
| 02:40.17 | Depherios | XD |
| 02:40.21 | Tem | really, druids cannot replace warriors |
| 02:40.21 | Kremonte | r o u g e! |
| 02:40.21 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:40.38 | Ktron | yeah warriors are kind of irreplaceable, but who cares? |
| 02:40.39 | Kremonte | no temz, druidz r tankz b/c tehy get big armopr boots and |
| 02:40.43 | Kremonte | lost of HPs |
| 02:40.46 | Kremonte | and tanut |
| 02:40.48 | Depherios | depends on what you're doing, and when, but in many situations they can... just not quite as good at holding tons of guys... |
| 02:40.53 | Depherios | and it's not like warriors are uncommon |
| 02:40.54 | Ktron | notice that they are WARriors, and that's all they supposed to do |
| 02:40.58 | Tain | Rouge is irreplaceable. I mean you can't get those rosy cheeks just any old way |
| 02:41.06 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:41.39 | Ktron | lol |
| 02:41.45 | Tem | I disagree |
| 02:41.50 | Depherios | I'd love to see |
| 02:41.51 | Depherios | a raid form |
| 02:41.53 | Ktron | I hope the CM's are laughing at this discussions somewhere |
| 02:41.54 | Legorol | rofl |
| 02:41.58 | Depherios | and not get a warrior |
| 02:42.01 | Depherios | ... hwo the fuck |
| 02:42.03 | Tem | I actually think MC would be EASIER without rogues |
| 02:42.07 | Depherios | -fuck +crap |
| 02:42.10 | Cairenn | Ktron: believe it! :) |
| 02:42.26 | Legorol | is it just me, or does anyone else here feel the popular use of the term "dev" to apply to all manner of game design/development/gameplay etc. i.e. all aspects of the game is a bit annoying? |
| 02:42.27 | Tem | holy cow |
| 02:42.29 | Tem | " In patch 1.9 we actually added a few encounters that cannot be tanked by warriors >=]" |
| 02:42.41 | Kremonte | o_O |
| 02:42.45 | Vallerius | yeah, buru |
| 02:42.47 | Vallerius | he's fun |
| 02:42.49 | Kremonte | buru? |
| 02:42.54 | Vallerius | in aq20 |
| 02:42.57 | Kremonte | BURUU KARAA MONSUTA |
| 02:43.05 | Kremonte | BOSSU NIHONJIN DESU KAAAAAAAA? |
| 02:43.06 | Tem | I've never been |
| 02:43.43 | Vallerius | i don't want to spoil it for you, but it's a fun fight :) |
| 02:43.48 | Cairenn | lol, thanks tem, was thinking the same |
| 02:44.11 | Ktron | Look at the questions-- all the answers are basically "Actually, its perfect. You just don't realize it. And if it isn't perfect, we're working on making it perfect, and will finish making it perfect at some time, however we are unable to tell you how or when." |
| 02:44.12 | Kremonte | haha, |
| 02:44.15 | Depherios | so... does ANOTHER class tank? or can you just not tank him? |
| 02:44.20 | Kremonte | onyxia buff doubled my AP on my 22 druid >:D |
| 02:44.24 | Depherios | lol Ktron... yup |
| 02:44.45 | Tem | that isn't a yes or no question |
| 02:45.34 | Vallerius | Depherios: he's just untankable. you'll see what i mean when you get there. |
| 02:45.52 | Ktron | "Are you going to add content to the game?" "Yes, we're going to add content to the game. In fact, we're working on adding content to the game, and we will finish making it at some time, however we are unable to tell you what or when." |
| 02:45.58 | Depherios | heh, I wasn't wondering, a friend was |
| 02:46.20 | Tain | See this is the one night the devs/reps/gms/etc. get to play. They get to play with the players! |
| 02:46.25 | Cairenn | OMG O.O |
| 02:46.30 | Vallerius | haha |
| 02:46.38 | Tem | It's fine lear to aim? |
| 02:46.47 | Cairenn | yeah ... O.O |
| 02:46.50 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:46.55 | Depherios | you guys have done the cannon haven't you? XD |
| 02:46.57 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.06 | Legorol | ROFL |
| 02:47.14 | Legorol | at Phenom |
| 02:47.19 | Legorol | he just lold at the question |
| 02:47.21 | Cairenn | I have, but I did the one in Elwynn forest |
| 02:47.29 | Legorol | i didn't do cannoon, so don't spoil ;-) |
| 02:47.43 | Depherios | XD it's fun... go do it next faire |
| 02:47.50 | clad|devchat | what is the canon |
| 02:47.50 | clad|devchat | ? |
| 02:47.51 | Legorol | okidoki |
| 02:47.58 | clad|devchat | omg tellz me. |
| 02:48.01 | Ktron | here's the answer "Yes, we will add new 5 man instances. In fact, we're adding new instances right now, but we are unable to tell you what they are or where." |
| 02:48.03 | Legorol | wth, Tyren? |
| 02:48.11 | Legorol | do these guys even realise that what they say is visible to all? |
| 02:48.17 | Cairenn | now, see, if I were them ... I'd seriously walk away ... what a fucking waste of their time |
| 02:48.21 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 02:48.24 | Ktron | woah, we got a little information that time |
| 02:48.25 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.37 | Ktron | lol |
| 02:48.40 | Legorol | did Kalgan just mean "solo instances"? |
| 02:48.48 | Legorol | or did he mean "solo content and 5-man instances"? |
| 02:49.00 | Tem | lol! I tried to talk, and it told me I was banned |
| 02:49.13 | Ktron | Cairenn: for a second, I got really worried, because I missed your second and third last comments, and thought you were trying to turn off the ranting in here ;) |
| 02:49.13 | Cairenn | seriously, someone slap the "ops" of that channel, please? |
| 02:49.13 | Tem | but I can still see the channel |
| 02:49.29 | norganna | it's totally unprofessional |
| 02:49.32 | Osagasu | These quests will involve both solo and 5 person instances, with a few new twists. |
| 02:49.37 | Osagasu | Solo instances? o.O |
| 02:49.39 | Tem | yay wow install done |
| 02:49.48 | Kremonte | those ops suck |
| 02:49.50 | Kolth | Why are their ops spamming the channel? |
| 02:49.54 | Ktron | solo instances would be entertaining |
| 02:49.55 | Cairenn | norgs, I'm *far* from professional, but omg |
| 02:50.00 | Kolth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.11 | Depherios | yeah |
| 02:50.14 | Ktron | or even better 'Congradulations! Complete Diremaul by yourself, and we'll give you something." |
| 02:50.21 | Depherios | So |
| 02:50.22 | Depherios | you have to RAID |
| 02:50.27 | Depherios | to get gear good enough |
| 02:50.32 | Depherios | to do the 5 man and 1 man instances? |
| 02:50.40 | Kremonte | but im a cazual playor |
| 02:50.42 | Legorol | that is just stupid, i agree |
| 02:50.45 | Kremonte | i want 2 ssolo an MMO! |
| 02:50.47 | Legorol | and i'm a causal player |
| 02:50.52 | Ktron | lol |
| 02:50.55 | Kremonte | why don't they call them "MSO"'s then? |
| 02:51.00 | Kremonte | Massively Singleplayer Online Game |
| 02:51.10 | Vallerius | i think he meant a new set above devout/valor/etc with some individual pieces that raiders might find appealing |
| 02:51.12 | Legorol | Kremonte, wanting to solo some of the content is understandable |
| 02:51.17 | Osagasu | I kind of like being able to solo some in endgame |
| 02:51.22 | Kremonte | Legorol - people want to solo all of endgame |
| 02:51.22 | Legorol | what if you want to restrict interaction with others to trading/chatting etc.? |
| 02:51.23 | clad|devchat | Vallerius: |
| 02:51.23 | clad|devchat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.27 | Cairenn | Kremonte: there is a difference between not wanting to be a hard-core, high-end, raider ... and wanting to solo |
| 02:51.33 | Legorol | i'm not saying all of it should be solo |
| 02:51.36 | Kremonte | you don't need to be hardcore to raid though.. |
| 02:51.51 | Legorol | you do need 40 people to do MC or Ony ;-) |
| 02:51.57 | Ktron | Legorol: I think some solo-ability would be nice, but it just makes sense that it takes the work of 40 people for 1 or 2 items that are better than the work of 5 people |
| 02:51.58 | Legorol | so i will never be able to do them, in all likelihood |
| 02:51.59 | Kremonte | that doesn't require you to be hardcore though |
| 02:52.05 | Kremonte | you just need commited guild members |
| 02:52.07 | Osagasu | 40 in Ony? Ha! |
| 02:52.08 | Tem | "but he gets pwned with ez =[" |
| 02:52.10 | Tem | lol! |
| 02:52.13 | Osagasu | remember that 10 man Ony raid? |
| 02:52.21 | Legorol | ok i see that if i got started this would be a long argument |
| 02:52.24 | Legorol | so i won't get started :p |
| 02:52.39 | Ktron | Actually, Onyxia only takes probably a balanced selection of 30 level 60's these days |
| 02:52.43 | Kremonte | just 1 example though; |
| 02:52.53 | Kremonte | if i only played 3 hours saturday and 3 hours sunday, i would have the same gear i have now |
| 02:53.13 | Osagasu | you aren't a programmer. *slap* |
| 02:53.19 | clad|devchat | Kremonte: I would as well, |
| 02:53.22 | Kremonte | huh? |
| 02:53.25 | norganna | "<Kalgan> "we" being the programmers (go team!)" ??? |
| 02:53.26 | Vallerius | go team! |
| 02:53.31 | Kremonte | lol. |
| 02:53.46 | clad|devchat | can that be the default SIG for WoWi.. that quote from Kalgan =) |
| 02:54.05 | RedcXe | KRMEONT |
| 02:54.11 | Kremonte | go away |
| 02:54.14 | RedcXe | :( |
| 02:54.15 | Osagasu | has anyone tried to talk in the channel? |
| 02:54.17 | *** part/#wowi-lounge RedcXe (i=L@cpe-72-225-160-49.si.res.rr.com) |
| 02:54.26 | Kremonte | i would if i could get into the bloody channel |
| 02:54.27 | Legorol | Osagasu, you try ;-) |
| 02:54.48 | Osagasu | if Cair will let me. I have the WoWI tag too, you know. ;) |
| 02:54.50 | Kremonte | my email inbox is getting flooded with spam, but no frigging auth |
| 02:55.05 | Legorol | no matter, it's over in 5 minutes |
| 02:55.07 | Cairenn | that is a rockin' quote :) |
| 02:55.16 | Legorol | and it isn't any more exciting than norg's coverage |
| 02:56.20 | Kremonte | wth, a regular mob my level just crit me for more than double my HP |
| 02:56.32 | Vallerius | owned. |
| 02:56.38 | clad|devchat | that tigole quote rules my life =) |
| 02:56.44 | Kremonte | and most of my gear is sta ffs >< |
| 02:57.10 | Cairenn | which one, clad? |
| 02:57.11 | Tem | what was the quote? |
| 02:57.17 | Tem | I just lost the channel for a sec |
| 02:57.29 | clad|devchat | (21:55:34) Tigole: errrr Dark Portal... not Black |
| 02:57.29 | clad|devchat | (21:55:54) Tigole: Metzen just kicked me |
| 02:57.34 | Cairenn | ah |
| 02:57.38 | clad|devchat | i laughed. |
| 02:57.40 | clad|devchat | out loud even |
| 02:58.24 | norganna | "<Kalgan> My answer is simple: no" :) |
| 02:58.27 | Cladhaire | but i follow wow lore like crazy.. |
| 02:58.30 | Tem | what a stupid question |
| 02:58.31 | Cairenn | heh, yeah, that one is good too |
| 02:58.35 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:58.49 | Tem | god people that play this game are retarded |
| 02:58.49 | Cairenn | there are a few highlights from this ;) |
| 02:59.11 | Osagasu | Thank god. I like the mage talents just the way they are. |
| 02:59.24 | Legorol | this is too painful to watch |
| 02:59.26 | Depherios | lol... hence why I worry about Priest Osagasu |
| 02:59.30 | Tain | It's how they all are. |
| 02:59.36 | Tain | Unless you have an invite only chat. |
| 02:59.38 | Tem | "some stuff that can use improvement" |
| 02:59.41 | Cladhaire | Every chat is like this. |
| 02:59.42 | Legorol | Tem, they are not retarted |
| 02:59.44 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.56 | Osagasu | Kalgan LOVES by and large |
| 02:59.58 | Tain | Yeah there's a difference between stupid and retarded. |
| 02:59.59 | Legorol | they are just not very smart |
| 03:00.01 | Osagasu | who are they? his boyfriends? |
| 03:00.02 | Cladhaire | even the slashdot interview was.. nothing.. |
| 03:00.04 | Tem | that was the silliest mage question I've ever seen |
| 03:00.09 | Tem | that was just lajdf;la;sgasdghasdg |
| 03:00.21 | Vallerius | cue mage whining in 3..2..1.. |
| 03:00.23 | Tem | I can't even express my feelings on how stupid that question was |
| 03:00.38 | Legorol | i disagree |
| 03:00.48 | Legorol | bear in mind that these can be young people with simple questions |
| 03:00.52 | Legorol | and i put it mildly ;-) |
| 03:01.08 | Legorol | i agree that a "general" q&a session like this where anything goes is a good one |
| 03:01.14 | Legorol | just don't call it a "devchat", please!! |
| 03:01.20 | Cladhaire | Deph: OMG i agree |
| 03:01.48 | Cladhaire | yay they just asked .. something |
| 03:01.57 | Depherios | Yay! that was a question I had, but didn't care enough about to mention |
| 03:01.59 | Osagasu | about flash heal. xD |
| 03:02.29 | Osagasu | that isn't what they ASKED |
| 03:02.31 | Cladhaire | They want to bring them slightly below the healing level of a paladin |
| 03:02.34 | Cladhaire | =) |
| 03:02.38 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:02.40 | Cladhaire | right now were signifigantly below |
| 03:02.40 | Depherios | really |
| 03:02.53 | Tain | Keep in mind there's moderators picking through all of the questions being asked, they share a large part of the blame for letting them through. |
| 03:03.10 | Depherios | Druids have caught up, they said they want to make Shamans better healers LMAO... why bother being a priest... so I can be the first to die in PvP? XD |
| 03:03.14 | Legorol | rofl: <Tigole> even though kalgan just typed that, he said "learn to play" out loud... |
| 03:03.34 | Cladhaire | its okay.. learn2play |
| 03:03.42 | norganna | L2P |
| 03:03.46 | norganna | nub |
| 03:03.55 | Cladhaire | Half of my council used to raid with Tigole.. I enjoy him, to say the least |
| 03:04.31 | Osagasu | I'm about to burst out asking how they're gonna handle spells past 60 |
| 03:04.37 | Osagasu | if they keep adding new spell ranks |
| 03:04.38 | Cladhaire | =) |
| 03:04.40 | Osagasu | like that |
| 03:04.42 | Cladhaire | theyve got a year to work it out |
| 03:04.46 | Legorol | ok, i admit i have no clue what they are talking about... new spells in 1.9? |
| 03:04.47 | Depherios | really |
| 03:04.49 | Legorol | can someone clue me up? |
| 03:04.57 | Depherios | I was so mad when I found out I never learned a new ability after 44 |
| 03:04.59 | Cladhaire | AQ drops level 60 ranks of 3 spells for each class |
| 03:05.05 | Depherios | I was like... "wait... what?" |
| 03:05.09 | Kremonte | for three, clad? |
| 03:05.12 | Cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.23 | Kremonte | i only heard about immolate (for warlock) |
| 03:05.28 | Cladhaire | Its at least two spells. |
| 03:05.40 | Legorol | for each class? |
| 03:05.44 | Legorol | including priests? |
| 03:05.48 | Cladhaire | *nod* |
| 03:05.48 | Tem | yay for them not answering a single UI question |
| 03:05.52 | Cairenn | ooookay ... |
| 03:05.57 | Cladhaire | we get gheal and renew |
| 03:05.59 | Cladhaire | hold please. |
| 03:06.00 | Cladhaire | ill link |
| 03:06.04 | Osagasu | a REAL Dev chat please?!?! |
| 03:06.06 | Maldivia | *sob* no questions/answers about debuff priority system :| |
| 03:06.14 | Depherios | not anything about "dev" |
| 03:06.32 | Cladhaire | http://images.filecloud.com/81202/setsskillsjpg.jpg |
| 03:06.46 | Legorol | Tem: they did "answer" one of mine! |
| 03:06.50 | Tem | oh? |
| 03:06.53 | Ktron|afk | heh, Cair, if you ever want to hold a dev chat like that one, I'll pretend to be a developer and answer questions like they did and it'll be all good |
| 03:06.58 | Tem | that must have been before I was there |
| 03:06.59 | Cladhaire | Shadow Bolt and Immolate Krem :P |
| 03:07.04 | Tem | which question? |
| 03:07.07 | Legorol | Tem: |
| 03:07.08 | Legorol | [02:17] <[qt]patman> <Legorol> Has asked: Could you comment on how much attention in general is Blizzard paying to UI modifications and AddOns, and how important a segment of the customer base are the AddOn users and especially the AddOn developers? (Lot of whom get at least half of their enjoyment of WoW by tinkering with it) |
| 03:07.08 | Legorol | [02:17] * [QT]Unaz sets mode: +S |
| 03:07.08 | Legorol | [02:18] -rhengal- Your message has been recorded, away for 7w6h19m51s (CSI) |
| 03:07.08 | Legorol | [02:19] * Brain sets mode: -bbbbbbb *!demeteloaf@*.bos.east.verizon.net ~q:*!*@ChatSpike-224D58B5.ristonmaa.jyu.fi ~q:*!*@ChatSpike-90004DBC.kwic.com *!*@ChatSpike-F9720584.hsd1.in.comcast.net *!adam@ChatSpike-6BE861AA.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net *_BRINGS_THE_PAIN*!*@* ~q:GIANT_MECHANICAL_BEAR!*@* |
| 03:07.09 | Depherios | ROFL @ Ktron, sadly, it would work |
| 03:07.12 | Legorol | [02:19] * Brain sets mode: -b norly!*@* |
| 03:07.14 | Legorol | [02:19] <Tigole> We constantly read the UI sites to see what our players want. Not only that, but we use those mods ourselves to enhance our own play experience. Obviously, if we feel anything is absolutely *needed* to play the game, we try to encorporate it into the WoW UI. But we've been loving what the community has produced thus far. |
| 03:07.18 | Legorol | sorry for spam |
| 03:07.24 | Kremonte | SB rank 10 O_O |
| 03:07.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge AnduinLothar (n=KarlKFI@ppp-68-122-86-47.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 03:07.29 | Legorol | they basically sidestepped it |
| 03:07.34 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 03:07.36 | Ktron|afk | lol |
| 03:07.39 | Legorol | hi AnduinLothar |
| 03:07.41 | Cladhaire | i am totally logging the spam part =) |
| 03:07.43 | Cladhaire | its awesome |
| 03:07.43 | Ktron|afk | anyone watching the channel spam now? |
| 03:07.44 | Osagasu | wow |
| 03:07.49 | Osagasu | someone moderate this channel |
| 03:07.49 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:07.50 | Osagasu | err |
| 03:07.52 | Osagasu | that channel |
| 03:08.05 | Osagasu | thank you |
| 03:08.15 | Depherios | I had to leave |
| 03:08.19 | Depherios | the lag was killing my computer slowly |
| 03:08.20 | Tem | now... |
| 03:08.24 | Ktron|afk | I think my favorite is 'BLIZZARD IS TEH GAY FOR ME AND VIN DIESEL! I SUMMON - THE KOOLAID MAN!' |
| 03:08.39 | Legorol | * ChanServ sets mode: -bbbbbb Fangtooth!*@* Redxce!*@* *Caydiem*!*@* FUCKWOW!*@* ~q:*!*@* *!wow@ChatSpike-42D063F4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com |
| 03:08.46 | Legorol | Does that mean that those people just got banned? |
| 03:08.53 | Depherios | unbanned |
| 03:08.55 | Legorol | did ChanServ boot Fangtooth, Cay etc.? |
| 03:09.04 | Legorol | oh ok |
| 03:09.17 | Depherios | they had anything staring with caydiem or fangtooth banned |
| 03:09.17 | Legorol | it's the water, dude |
| 03:09.26 | Legorol | you are not supposed to soak it in the bowl for more than an hour |
| 03:09.28 | Depherios | so people wouldn't make nicks that started with them or had them in them |
| 03:09.39 | Legorol | ok |
| 03:09.40 | Tem | that was to prevent people from joining the channel with fake nicks |
| 03:09.56 | Tem | hmm |
| 03:10.18 | Tem | I'm going to need to physically connect my two computers since my wireless card is being teh gay |
| 03:10.33 | Legorol | zomg, i'm leaving that channel |
| 03:10.38 | Legorol | my brain hurts just from watching it |
| 03:10.43 | norganna | yup |
| 03:10.46 | Tem | I got out the moment I saw the moderation go away |
| 03:11.02 | Ktron|afk | they just put moderation back up |
| 03:11.30 | Tem | >< |
| 03:11.37 | Tem | I don't have another cat5 cord |
| 03:11.56 | Tem | I'm going to have to disconnect this computer from the internet to get this working |
| 03:11.58 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.04 | Tem | later guys... |
| 03:12.07 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Administ@adsl-1-74-197.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 03:12.26 | Legorol | i wonder, which one is better: filter questions to ones you think will get answers, |
| 03:12.37 | Legorol | or to fire whatever you want at the CMs and instead get a "no comment" reply |
| 03:12.45 | Legorol | i think i prefer the 2nd option |
| 03:12.58 | Cairenn | okay, just posted some of the more amusing quotes from that |
| 03:12.58 | Ktron|afk | heh, I just invited Caydiem over here, if he's interested |
| 03:13.05 | Legorol | in a PM? |
| 03:13.13 | Cairenn | Ktron|afk: Caydiem is a she, not a he |
| 03:13.18 | Kolth | Cairenn: Are you thinking about putting up a colored and formatted (edited) version of the chat log on WoWI? |
| 03:13.43 | Legorol | <[BCM]Tyren> let me just say that even we CMs weren't expecting as much candid and interesting info |
| 03:13.47 | Legorol | what was interesting? |
| 03:13.51 | Ktron | Cairenn, Osagasu I'm glad I got that cleared up now, before I ever had a convos with her heh |
| 03:14.01 | Ktron | Thanks |
| 03:14.17 | Osagasu | Why do you think half the male population of WoW loves her? |
| 03:14.25 | Osagasu | Its like Cair. OMG Girl geek! |
| 03:14.51 | norganna | i got married to a girl geek, so i'm happy :) |
| 03:14.55 | Legorol | that was the shortest 10 minutes ever |
| 03:15.04 | Legorol | i'm dating a geek girl, does that count? |
| 03:15.21 | Ktron | I just was going with the ending rules... you know, if it ends with a consonnant its a guy, if it ends with a vowel, its a girl |
| 03:15.26 | norganna | Legorol: they're the best ones... |
| 03:15.31 | Legorol | i agree |
| 03:15.41 | Legorol | we play WoW together, and watch Star Trek together |
| 03:15.41 | Ktron | Cairenn is okay because the double 'n' you almost expect an 'e' afterwards |
| 03:15.45 | Legorol | can't get better than that |
| 03:15.55 | norganna | yup |
| 03:16.13 | Cairenn | Ktron: Caydiem = KDM = her real life initials ;) |
| 03:16.22 | Osagasu | [10:16pm] * Synergy slaps Caydiem around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:16.24 | Osagasu | xD |
| 03:16.24 | Ktron | Cairenn: that's clever |
| 03:16.25 | AnduinLothar | im jealous leg |
| 03:16.46 | Legorol | me too, at myself |
| 03:16.50 | Tain | Ah, girl geeks aren't always good to marry. Especially when they're better at geeky things than you. |
| 03:16.54 | Legorol | i think i'm the luckiest guy, maybe after norganna |
| 03:17.02 | Ktron | Caypeeaych just doesn't look right |
| 03:17.11 | Depherios | better than doubleyou |
| 03:17.14 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:17.24 | Ktron | heh, Oh, by the way, u's count as consonnants |
| 03:17.25 | Tain | I thought it was doubleya |
| 03:17.32 | Kremonte | deeareare..that sounds horrible |
| 03:17.33 | Osagasu | my name would be Kaypeeef. |
| 03:17.49 | Legorol | rofl |
| 03:17.55 | Cairenn | KJH? weird ... don't think I can work with that |
| 03:18.04 | norganna | Cayareay |
| 03:18.07 | Depherios | Kayjayeich |
| 03:18.18 | Depherios | ? |
| 03:18.25 | Cairenn | I'll just stick with the 11th C Gaelic version of my name, thanks ;) |
| 03:18.29 | Legorol | WoW meets Internet porn: http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=lr_HR-iIlYg |
| 03:18.33 | Legorol | may be NSFW |
| 03:18.45 | Ktron | so... looking through the lists... my guesses on whose a girl in the channel are... Cairenn, Eraphine, Maldivia, Mondinga, norganna, and zespri.... Cladhaire and Kremonte should be on the list too, but somehow I think there's a silent 'e's don't count rule too |
| 03:18.47 | Legorol | it doesn't contain nudity, but possibly explicit lyrics |
| 03:18.51 | Tain | ~for porn |
| 03:18.52 | purl | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 03:19.44 | Legorol | well, i'm extremely happy i got one of my questions answered |
| 03:19.47 | Legorol | in 2nd place too |
| 03:19.50 | Legorol | that was unexpected |
| 03:20.01 | norganna | yup |
| 03:20.07 | Legorol | I also wanted to thank all of you guys for your support and cheers ;-) |
| 03:20.12 | Legorol | gave me the warm and fuzzy feeling |
| 03:20.22 | norganna | :) |
| 03:20.24 | Legorol | these are the moments when i feel like there is a community here that has come together |
| 03:21.47 | Cairenn | Ktron: there is actually only one *RL* female in the channel ... there are many female characters though |
| 03:22.18 | Legorol | Tain, that's the same one! hehe |
| 03:22.22 | Ktron | heh:) |
| 03:22.23 | Tain | What if I'm a woman trapped in a male body? |
| 03:22.28 | Cairenn | Legorol: yeah, no kidding :p |
| 03:22.35 | Cairenn | welcome to a couple weeks back :p |
| 03:22.41 | Legorol | lol |
| 03:22.41 | Ktron | I might filter this spam later for Caydiem comments just to see what he said ;) |
| 03:22.47 | Cairenn | SHE |
| 03:22.54 | Kremonte | kdm is male yo |
| 03:22.59 | Cairenn | not |
| 03:23.00 | Kremonte | kdm is easier to type |
| 03:23.04 | Cladhaire | Ktom: I'm a man. |
| 03:23.09 | Kremonte | is |
| 03:23.11 | Cladhaire | Caydiem is a female. |
| 03:23.13 | Tain | You people are too confusing. |
| 03:23.20 | Cairenn | Cay is very much female |
| 03:23.24 | Kolth | ^^ |
| 03:23.29 | Cairenn | and a sweetheart to boot :) |
| 03:23.44 | Tain | mmmm sweet hearts |
| 03:23.45 | Kolth | The community was horrible to her after she posted a Blizzcon pic. |
| 03:23.49 | Tain | LIke the ones you get on Valentines day |
| 03:24.10 | Kolth | Tain: You are random. |
| 03:24.20 | Cairenn | Kolth: being a female working in this industry, you get used to allll kinds of reactions |
| 03:24.21 | Bela|WOW | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.42 | Tain | I prefer sour |
| 03:24.55 | Cairenn | everything from marriage proposals, to indecent propositions, to insults, to ... |
| 03:25.01 | Tain | She was a sour girl the day that I met her. |
| 03:25.57 | Cairenn | since while there are more and more females playing these days ... the number of "highly visible" females "working" in the industry is still very low |
| 03:26.10 | Ktron | damn it, she she she she she Caydiem = female, Caydiem is a girl... I'm trying |
| 03:26.30 | Tain | Well sure Cairenn, "working" girls have to keep a low profile. |
| 03:26.35 | Osagasu | Cair, the scary part is the percentage of people actually serious on their marrige proposals. |
| 03:26.37 | Cairenn | tain .... |
| 03:26.42 | Cairenn | Osagasu: I know ... |
| 03:26.53 | Depherios | lol, I still goof up Iriel sometimes even though I've known better since the first week... :P |
| 03:27.03 | Cairenn | I've had to fight with people for them to believe me that I'm married and NOT INTERESTED |
| 03:27.13 | Ktron | Cairenn: I think I remember the picture thing, but I thought I remembered it happening to you not Caydiem, but I could be wrong... or maybe both...? |
| 03:27.17 | Depherios | my GF just doesn't let people know she's fem |
| 03:27.45 | Osagasu | Iriel is very effeminate Deph, so yea. :P |
| 03:27.56 | Cairenn | NOT |
| 03:28.04 | Osagasu | I was joking |
| 03:28.06 | Tain | haha |
| 03:28.07 | Ktron | Iriel has more vowels than consonnants in it, so I kept thinking Iriel was a guy for a bit, but I got over that one much quicker |
| 03:28.18 | dukeku | the community was very rude to caydiem after her first pic posting, that was well before blizzcon |
| 03:28.18 | Ktron | *was a girl |
| 03:28.28 | Bela|WOW | you sure you are over it? |
| 03:28.45 | Depherios | I've gotten better lately... but I still talk to girls more than guys XD |
| 03:28.50 | Depherios | (my friends) XD |
| 03:29.00 | Ktron | heh, from now on I'll take my math profs advice and replace he and she with a gender neutral equivalent, eck |
| 03:29.13 | Depherios | it only takes me calling something "cute" once... and next thing I know I'm a girl |
| 03:29.18 | Ktron | him and her will be replaced with eck as well |
| 03:29.54 | Depherios | and I've had many males tell me "cute" isn't something I should say XD |
| 03:29.56 | Depherios | lamers |
| 03:30.16 | Kremonte | Ktron - lol |
| 03:30.16 | Legorol | don't even get me started on the guys-playing-girl-characters thing |
| 03:30.18 | Kremonte | "eck" |
| 03:30.56 | Bela|WOW | I dont see anything wrong with it |
| 03:31.13 | Bela|WOW | I used to only play male chars, but no male can argue that the view is better on a female |
| 03:31.20 | Depherios | my only fem chars, are tauren druids |
| 03:31.27 | Ktron | girls play guys, guys play girls, doesn't means eck wants to be the other eck |
| 03:31.35 | Legorol | lol |
| 03:31.44 | Depherios | male druids are just TOO huge |
| 03:31.49 | Depherios | male tauren, rather |
| 03:31.50 | Legorol | i did a sociological experiment once |
| 03:32.09 | Legorol | i made a female orc toon (relatively rare), and acted like a female that is trying hard to pretend to be a male |
| 03:32.10 | Bela|WOW | you tried to play a female char at the bar? |
| 03:32.14 | Bela|WOW | oh |
| 03:32.18 | Ktron | I personally pick genders for models, unless I'm playing a female human... and that's just so I can try to trick the male players into giving me things for free ;) |
| 03:32.28 | Legorol | and i was watching how soon various people click on the idea that i'm female |
| 03:32.30 | Legorol | in RL |
| 03:32.37 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:32.37 | AnduinLothar | man whoever wrote the offscreen code in UIDropDownMenu.lua needs to be shot.. |
| 03:32.45 | Bela|WOW | haha |
| 03:32.46 | Ktron | My 2nd and 3rd main respectively are fem undead and fem troll |
| 03:32.56 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, didn't you read the channel rules? no abusing slouken :-) |
| 03:32.58 | Tain | I only play male characters because other male characters disgust me with how they react to female models. |
| 03:33.04 | Depherios | OH! I have a fem undead too! my PvE priests |
| 03:33.06 | Legorol | although it's not certain he wrote it ;-) |
| 03:33.07 | Ktron | and my friend's main (who is a guy) is a fem orc |
| 03:33.15 | Kolth | AnduinLothar: Offsceen code? |
| 03:33.28 | Depherios | -plural +singular |
| 03:33.31 | Bela|WOW | the code that makes a menu stay on screen if it is in dagner of going off |
| 03:33.34 | Cladhaire | Slouken didn't write it.. Horkin did =) |
| 03:33.39 | Legorol | ah |
| 03:33.41 | Ktron | I like having a more uncommon model |
| 03:33.53 | Depherios | and orcs |
| 03:33.56 | Kolth | Blizzard fell asleep at the controls in their "Stay on the screen" department. |
| 03:33.56 | Legorol | so i "accidentally" dropped a dear or cute here and there |
| 03:33.57 | Cairenn | http://www.worldofwar.net/shredder/index.php?seite=kobold&&pid=17340 |
| 03:34.00 | Legorol | took people a while |
| 03:34.03 | Depherios | my warlock is an orc, my priest is a druid... |
| 03:34.06 | Bela|WOW | Cair: you wanna test my xpbar now? |
| 03:34.15 | Legorol | but one day i got a whisper from a guildy, witha seriously concerned note, asking if i was female RL |
| 03:34.24 | Legorol | when i wishywashied around the issue, he said "i knew it!" |
| 03:34.35 | Legorol | and then went on giving advice about how to behave to make sure i am taken for a male |
| 03:34.44 | Cairenn | bela, hang on, trying to find something |
| 03:34.45 | Legorol | like never saying dear or cute |
| 03:35.01 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:35.02 | Ktron | lol |
| 03:35.05 | Depherios | my GF gets mad |
| 03:35.08 | Depherios | because I slip and call her SHE |
| 03:35.23 | Ktron | eck gets mad over that? heh |
| 03:35.26 | Tain | A guy pretending to be a girl pretending to be a guy. |
| 03:35.35 | Legorol | at least i am safe from that.. i have the policy of always using the pronoun appropriate to the toon |
| 03:35.36 | Tain | I should have gone into psychiatry. |
| 03:35.40 | Depherios | but yeah, I've seen the way she gets treated when they find out... people stop listening to her advice |
| 03:35.41 | Legorol | so i have an excuse to call her she |
| 03:35.55 | Legorol | Tain: it was an experiment ;-) |
| 03:35.56 | Depherios | she plays male toons |
| 03:36.02 | Depherios | her main is a male tauren druid |
| 03:36.05 | Ktron | Personally, if I was eck, I'd be glad that my gender wasn't a hard to ignore fact ;) |
| 03:36.13 | Tain | Hey it's ok Legorol, lots of people experiment. ;) |
| 03:36.14 | Legorol | Depherios, then you are in shit |
| 03:36.17 | Ktron | *an easy to ignore fact |
| 03:36.19 | Legorol | not that way, Tain! |
| 03:36.20 | Legorol | bah |
| 03:36.24 | Legorol | what did i dig myself into |
| 03:36.30 | Depherios | Yup... I look crazy |
| 03:36.32 | Tain | That's why every game needs gender neutral races. :) |
| 03:36.33 | Depherios | or she does |
| 03:36.53 | Tain | Atrox! |
| 03:36.59 | Ktron | Tain: that would rock!! |
| 03:37.06 | Depherios | Booyeah |
| 03:37.10 | Legorol | if you ask me, druids are gender neutral enough.. |
| 03:37.13 | Ktron | Tain: if they new alliance race is gender neutral, I'm playing it |
| 03:37.20 | Legorol | have you not heard people complain about the bearform's model? |
| 03:37.23 | Legorol | cracked me up |
| 03:37.28 | Depherios | lol yeah |
| 03:37.31 | Depherios | druid is spammed with it |
| 03:37.34 | Depherios | druid forums rather |
| 03:37.44 | zespri | what's wrong with bearform model? |
| 03:37.51 | Bela|WOW | lol |
| 03:37.54 | Legorol | why does a male druid turn into a female bear? |
| 03:37.56 | Cairenn | Ktron: http://www.worldofwar.net/screenshots/largeshots?g=BlizzCon%202005&p=77&frpg=7&f=#pic |
| 03:37.57 | Legorol | that's what people ask |
| 03:38.01 | Osagasu | its ALWAYS MALE |
| 03:38.09 | Legorol | the canonical answer is, because it's a T-rated game |
| 03:38.14 | Legorol | no, Osagasu, it's always female ;-) |
| 03:38.17 | Depherios | it's a male bear XD by the vocals |
| 03:38.20 | Legorol | well, look at it however you like |
| 03:38.22 | Osagasu | no... |
| 03:38.23 | Depherios | but female... byt he.... parts |
| 03:38.25 | zespri | how do they know that the bear is femail? |
| 03:38.26 | Cairenn | Ktron: that's Caydiem standing there, long brown hair |
| 03:38.30 | Osagasu | I play a female Druid, remember? |
| 03:38.39 | Osagasu | I /moo, and its a definite male moo |
| 03:38.47 | Legorol | just how exactly does a female bear sound different thana male one anyway? |
| 03:38.51 | Depherios | yeah, it swaps to the male vocals, I play a fem druid too |
| 03:38.55 | Bela|WOW | if (isFemale()) Model:SetModel("MammaBear"); else Model:SetModel("PappaBear"); end |
| 03:38.55 | Kremonte | wait |
| 03:38.58 | Depherios | lego, FLIRTS |
| 03:39.02 | Kremonte | druid bear form is female? |
| 03:39.04 | Depherios | flirt in bear form, as a chick, and you get the male ones |
| 03:39.08 | Legorol | lol Kremonte |
| 03:39.08 | Kremonte | since when. |
| 03:39.09 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:39.18 | Legorol | lol Depherios |
| 03:39.20 | Legorol | i didn't know that |
| 03:39.22 | Depherios | they do! |
| 03:39.24 | Depherios | XD |
| 03:39.28 | Depherios | cracks me up |
| 03:39.32 | Kremonte | well, at least i'm not inspecting the organs under my druid's er, underside? |
| 03:39.42 | Legorol | way too many seem to |
| 03:39.42 | Depherios | and have you ever noticed aquatic form's vulva? you have to stare at it as it swims |
| 03:39.55 | Kremonte | um |
| 03:39.55 | Kremonte | no |
| 03:39.57 | Kremonte | i haven't |
| 03:39.59 | Legorol | me neither |
| 03:40.15 | Depherios | the way the textures mesh, it looks... bad |
| 03:40.47 | Legorol | if (Draka:HasQueues()) then Legorol:StartChatting() end |
| 03:40.48 | zespri | you are all perverts here |
| 03:40.57 | Legorol | thank you zespri |
| 03:40.59 | Legorol | that's good to know |
| 03:40.59 | Ktron | No offense Cairenn or others of the female gender, but girls tend to notice indications of gender and how it was or wasn't implements correctly way faster than guys |
| 03:41.01 | Legorol | i wasn't sure myself |
| 03:41.08 | Depherios | err -screens +pictures |
| 03:41.32 | Legorol | Depherios, afaik they weren't allowed in |
| 03:41.38 | Depherios | O_o |
| 03:41.45 | Legorol | the handhelds |
| 03:41.46 | Depherios | cell phones but not DSes or PSPs or GBAs? |
| 03:42.02 | Cairenn | that's correct |
| 03:42.09 | Depherios | what if I had Rock and Roll Racing in there... :P |
| 03:43.13 | Legorol | we are proud |
| 03:43.26 | Depherios | I'm just saying, it'd be wierd... wonder why they did it :P |
| 03:43.33 | Legorol | what is rock and roll racing? |
| 03:43.47 | Legorol | yes i had a deprived childhood :D |
| 03:45.35 | Depherios | Animal Crossing FTW |
| 03:45.38 | zespri | My friends tried to persuade me to buy an x-box a year ago because his company got them for half a price, and they decided to put in all if the hacked chips as well for a discount. so it would be cheep and good, but I didn't buy anyway because I don't know a single console game that would fascinate me enough |
| 03:46.14 | Depherios | eh... gaming has gone downhill lately... but my job keeps me interested (able to check out any game for four days) |
| 03:47.10 | zespri | so what gaming console is the best? xbox? psp? nintendo stuff? |
| 03:47.18 | Depherios | depends on what you do |
| 03:47.22 | Legorol | wow, i totally forgot i opened this link Cairenn has posted: |
| 03:47.23 | Legorol | http://www.worldofwar.net/shredder/index.php?seite=kobold&&pid=17340 |
| 03:47.26 | Depherios | or how biased you are |
| 03:47.31 | Legorol | just noticed the browser window |
| 03:47.34 | Legorol | all i can say is, wooot! |
| 03:47.54 | Cairenn | we'll see |
| 03:48.10 | Legorol | although it's suspicious that it's gone |
| 03:48.54 | zespri | Depherios, well, i don't know about them much. I consider xbox because it would be easier to hack in as it's pc based... on the other hand other consloles now seem to give more features. |
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| 03:49.06 | Depherios | PS2 lots of cheap games... Xbox = online multiplayer (i.e. halo) and best graphics... Nintendo = first party nintendo games, cheaper system |
| 03:49.07 | zespri | microsoft separates console from "multimedia pc" |
| 03:49.08 | Legorol | ah, original thread: |
| 03:49.09 | Legorol | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general-en&T=716283&P=1 |
| 03:49.35 | zespri | and playstation is all in one which is convinient |
| 03:49.44 | Depherios | ? |
| 03:50.13 | Croup | anyone awake that has a logitech mx 518 ? |
| 03:50.20 | Depherios | PS2 needs a memory card, Xbox needs a DVD remote... Gamecube doesn't play DVDs AND needs a memory card |
| 03:50.25 | Osagasu | Nintendo = most daring |
| 03:50.34 | Osagasu | of the first party people |
| 03:50.41 | zespri | at least what I've heard. That you can play movies on your ps2 and can't on xbox |
| 03:50.46 | Kremonte | who plays any of those, osagasu? ;) |
| 03:50.54 | Osagasu | I do. |
| 03:50.56 | Osagasu | :P |
| 03:51.03 | Kremonte | shut up |
| 03:51.25 | Tain | I have all three and I only ever play the Xbox anymore. |
| 03:51.40 | Depherios | Zespri, the Xbox is a better DVD player, better picture, MUCH better scanning features, but you can't access special features requiring the number keys... is all |
| 03:51.51 | Tain | But it's a matter of the games more than the system. |
| 03:51.56 | zespri | what are special features? |
| 03:52.03 | Depherios | ditto Tain... and a few gamecube games |
| 03:52.22 | Tain | If there's a game available for multiple systems I'll get the Xbox version ONLY because of the better hi-def support. |
| 03:52.33 | Depherios | when you put in a special features DVD with a minigame, or multi camera angles shot, or you want to unlock an easter egg, and need to use teh 10key on the remote... it doesn't always work |
| 03:52.36 | Croup | Depherios, do you know if all the buttons are programmable ? |
| 03:52.49 | Cairenn | (that thread in the UI forum about the interview with the hack dev .. poof) |
| 03:53.00 | Depherios | Croup: ??? |
| 03:53.00 | Tain | I will only EVER buy a GameCube game if it's only available for the GC. |
| 03:53.26 | Tain | The GameCube controller is the absolute worst controller I have ever played with. |
| 03:53.33 | Depherios | Tain: I have Beyond Good and Evil for GC, it was designed for it originally and plays better on it, and I have the prince of persia games on it, because I prefer the controller |
| 03:53.41 | Ktron|dev | I thought Xbox had a remote that you had to buy to play dvds, while PS you could use a controller? |
| 03:53.42 | Depherios | lol... I <3 the GCN controller |
| 03:53.55 | Ktron|dev | or maybe I'm confusing xbox and GC |
| 03:53.58 | Osagasu | Resident Evil 4 looks better on GCN than PS2 |
| 03:54.00 | Depherios | Ktron: you need the remote, but you also don't need a memory card... that's the trade they did |
| 03:54.01 | Tain | Xbox you do have to buy the "dvd kit" which is a complete insult. |
| 03:54.04 | Croup | Depherios: um.. I thought you answered my question about the logitech mx 518 :) |
| 03:54.09 | Cladhaire | Cay is still answering questions if anyone wants to stop by |
| 03:54.13 | Cladhaire | but i'm going to bed soon |
| 03:54.24 | Depherios | Osagasu: the PS2 has the worst graphics by far |
| 03:54.27 | Tain | But I have an actual DVD player so I don't care about that. |
| 03:54.30 | Cladhaire | nvm |
| 03:54.33 | Cladhaire | she just left =) |
| 03:54.48 | Osagasu | GCN has sweet graphics if you do it right. Read: BAITEN KAITOS! |
| 03:54.51 | Depherios | gamecube usually has significantly less load time as well |
| 03:55.13 | Depherios | Baten Kaitos was great... RE4 looks fantastic, and the new zelda game as well... but like the N64, it takes a lot of work |
| 03:55.28 | AnduinLothar | ya, so i'm not gonna be around for for the dev chat, so someone tell them their dropdowncode needs to be rewritten |
| 03:55.33 | AnduinLothar | entirely from scratch would be nice |
| 03:55.38 | Tain | The Gamecube controller must be a favorite of some people, namely those who treat medical issues for the hands. |
| 03:55.39 | AnduinLothar | the frame usage, offscreen code and border/spacing especially |
| 03:56.11 | Cladhaire | Anduin It happened 2 hours ago =) |
| 03:56.12 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: it's already all over :p |
| 03:56.15 | Depherios | Tain: I love it, it's comfy, and I love the huge A button |
| 03:56.38 | Depherios | and the shoulder buttons are nice... although it makes the controller suck for FPS games |
| 03:56.45 | Tain | Sure if you have a game that only uses one button. |
| 03:57.07 | Cairenn | Bela|WOW: hit me |
| 03:58.46 | Cairenn | not off topic at all, telling him to go ahead and pass along the link to the mod he wants me to test, since I'm able to do so now |
| 03:58.57 | Depherios | kayo ^_^ |
| 03:59.18 | Cairenn | and where was *your* mind? |
| 03:59.34 | AnduinLothar | ah, well whoever posted it on the cosmos forums should have put a timezone |
| 03:59.34 | AnduinLothar | cause 9pm is an hour from now |
| 03:59.35 | AnduinLothar | was anything useful actually said ? |
| 03:59.39 | AnduinLothar | or just the same old stuff we get on the forums compacted into one |
| 03:59.40 | Depherios | wondering if our discussion was on the level |
| 03:59.48 | Cladhaire | Norganna had a log. |
| 04:00.00 | AnduinLothar | ya. i don't have time for a log right now :P |
| 04:00.02 | Cladhaire | http://norganna.org/devchat.txt |
| 04:00.08 | Cladhaire | its like 10 lines |
| 04:00.12 | AnduinLothar | wanted a highlights :) |
| 04:00.15 | Cladhaire | that's it |
| 04:00.16 | Cairenn | http://norganna.org/devchat.txt |
| 04:00.17 | Cladhaire | all highlights. |
| 04:00.21 | AnduinLothar | ah ok |
| 04:00.21 | Cladhaire | it will take you 4 seconds. |
| 04:00.35 | Ktron|dev | heh, the supposedly hidden preview of the outlands near the deadmines-- http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hiddendeadmines2iu.jpg |
| 04:00.44 | AnduinLothar | u mean 100 lines |
| 04:00.52 | Ktron|dev | wth are people thinking? |
| 04:00.57 | Ktron|dev | purl, comfort me |
| 04:00.58 | purl | There, there, ktron|dev. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:01.09 | Cairenn | the real highlights can be seen here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2685 |
| 04:01.48 | Cladhaire | .. i didn't think 100 lines was an issue.. maybe 3 minutes of reading |
| 04:02.22 | Bela|WOW | 0.o |
| 04:02.33 | AnduinLothar | u said 10 lines |
| 04:03.22 | norganna | huh? |
| 04:03.23 | Cladhaire | it was a slight exaggeration |
| 04:03.35 | norganna | http://norganna.org/devchat.php |
| 04:03.45 | Ktron|dev | why php? |
| 04:03.50 | norganna | nicer version with highlighting |
| 04:03.56 | Cladhaire | cause its sexy |
| 04:04.07 | norganna | it reads the text version and puts formatting in... |
| 04:04.17 | Cairenn | I thought my summary was pretty good :p |
| 04:04.23 | Ktron|dev | norganna: ah, duh |
| 04:04.31 | Cairenn | simple answer: no |
| 04:04.32 | AnduinLothar | linebreaks yay |
| 04:04.50 | Ktron|dev | you forgot one thing Cair |
| 04:05.03 | Cairenn | which one? |
| 04:05.22 | Ktron|dev | <Patman> Nanaaaaaaa nana na na-na-na na-Caydiem damacyyyyyyyyyyy.. |
| 04:05.34 | Cairenn | missed that |
| 04:05.57 | Ktron|dev | I'm sure it won't matter too much ;) |
| 04:07.44 | Legorol | Cairenn, i think your summary has all the most important parts in it ;-) |
| 04:07.58 | Legorol | btw, it was funny how much flame i got for that question |
| 04:08.11 | Legorol | i got about 10 queries asking me wth? and what a retarded question |
| 04:08.46 | AnduinLothar | DotA time |
| 04:08.54 | Depherios | lol |
| 04:08.57 | Ktron|dev | Alright, dev question-- is there a way to locate none UI elements on the screen? I know there's some way to do something like this because of the Dark Iron logos mod |
| 04:09.20 | Ktron|dev | AnduinLothar: they should make a DotA battleground ;) |
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| 04:09.45 | Cladhaire | They did.. its called Alterac Valley =) |
| 04:10.04 | Ktron|dev | Cladhaire: AV is DotA - most of the npcs |
| 04:10.20 | Cladhaire | heheh i know =) |
| 04:10.20 | Ktron|dev | ie, no attack waves |
| 04:10.26 | Cladhaire | you can summon em |
| 04:10.27 | Cladhaire | but i agree |
| 04:10.30 | Cladhaire | that would be pimp |
| 04:10.48 | Ktron|dev | heh, if they ever make a TD in WoW, now that would be uberpimp |
| 04:11.25 | Legorol | what's DotA? |
| 04:11.37 | Ktron|dev | Defense of the Ancients, which is actually on wikipedia ;) |
| 04:11.47 | Ktron|dev | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DotA |
| 04:12.07 | Depherios | lol |
| 04:12.13 | Cladhaire | 25k honor in an AV holiday week (Which 40-49 cant do) .. not too shabby |
| 04:12.29 | Ktron|dev | SC UMS? |
| 04:12.44 | Depherios | starcraft used maps settings |
| 04:13.03 | Ktron|dev | ah |
| 04:14.49 | Ktron|dev | love how there's an entire category on wikipedia for custom wc3 games... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Warcraft_custom_games |
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| 04:19.13 | Legorol | lol, on a different irc server in a different channel, someone has the nick lego |
| 04:19.25 | Legorol | whenever he gets spoken to, my IRC notifies me that someone's speaking to me |
| 04:19.45 | zespri | it's not suprising, everything in universe has something similar to it =) |
| 04:20.01 | zespri | what client? |
| 04:20.03 | zespri | mirc? |
| 04:20.08 | Legorol | yeah |
| 04:20.18 | zespri | it flashes? |
| 04:20.21 | Legorol | i set it to notify on "lego" |
| 04:20.24 | Legorol | just a beep |
| 04:20.41 | zespri | oh, never used this feature, I set it to flash |
| 04:20.55 | Legorol | then i won't know in game, would i? |
| 04:21.17 | zespri | no you won't. do you have to? =) |
| 04:21.29 | Ktron|dev | I didn't realize Anduin Lothar was a storyline name |
| 04:21.41 | zespri | sometimes it's good to remain undisturbed =) |
| 04:21.59 | Legorol | yeah, but then i switch the beep off |
| 04:22.01 | Guillotine | nooo! i missed the devchat :( |
| 04:22.06 | zespri | I had a guess that it was a storyline name just didn't know what story line it was. Is it wow - related? |
| 04:23.01 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.03 | Ktron|dev | off of a page in wikipedia:: (hope this isn't too long) Draenor's Hellfire Peninsula was considered to be the site of the final battle of the Second War. In order to destroy the orcish Horde, King Terenas of Lordaeron sent a great army led by General Turalyon, former lieutenant to Anduin Lothar, to wipe them out. The mad shaman Ner'zhul attempted to open portals to other worlds, but the incredible power of opening those portals |
| 04:23.04 | Cairenn | http://norganna.org/devchat.php |
| 04:23.12 | Legorol | http://norganna.org/devchat.php |
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| 04:24.09 | Ktron|dev | heh, even http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anduin_Lothar |
| 04:24.14 | Legorol | lol, we killed Guillotine |
| 04:24.27 | Guillotine | no. peer killed me |
| 04:25.33 | zespri | Interesting, Ktron |
| 04:28.43 | Ktron|dev | actually, wikipedia is pretty good for WoW lore |
| 04:30.26 | zespri | there are lots of sites in the net with wow lore in fact |
| 04:30.36 | zespri | some of them not bad |
| 04:31.41 | zespri | I mean I don;t know about wikipedia, but I always was of an opinion, that specialized thing does it better than a genreal thing |
| 04:31.57 | Ktron|dev | heh, I like wikipedia |
| 04:32.06 | zespri | Like you can nail nails with microscope all right, but hummer is suited better =) |
| 04:32.28 | Ktron|dev | I'd love to see wikipedia really takeoff and pass as a better standard than some of the commercial encyclopedias |
| 04:32.45 | zespri | wikipedia rules - no questions about this |
| 04:32.55 | Cairenn | bah, best hammer is a screwdriver and best screwdriver is a hammer |
| 04:33.01 | Cairenn | you males know nothing |
| 04:33.51 | Cairenn | and if you need to remove a screw or nail, get the crowbar :p |
| 04:33.57 | Ktron|dev | zespri: I guess that's true, but I feel like wikipedia is designed to handle lore sort of things... I wouldn't want though, for example, to use wikipedia to get item info, I'd rather go to allakhazam or thottbot or wowguru for that |
| 04:34.02 | Tain | mmm hammers and screwdrivers and nails |
| 04:34.20 | Ktron|dev | ~cairren |
| 04:34.24 | Ktron|dev | ~cairenn |
| 04:34.25 | purl | from memory, cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface.com, also EQInterface, EQ2Interface and VGInterface |
| 04:34.34 | Ktron|dev | ~bah |
| 04:34.36 | purl | from memory, bah is everyone's other favourite word (see heh) |
| 04:34.38 | Cairenn | second best screwdriver is a metal nail file |
| 04:35.26 | Ktron|dev | I have a leatherman in betweeen me and my monitors, and since it's in poor shape, a new one made my xmas lists |
| 04:35.45 | zespri | you can't drive screw with a hammer, you can with a knife or scissors, but hammer is too ruogh for the task |
| 04:36.05 | Cairenn | as I said, zespri, you males know nothing |
| 04:36.06 | zespri | nail file will do, though |
| 04:36.14 | Cairenn | I use a hammer for screws all the time |
| 04:36.38 | Ktron|dev | Raiders of the Lost Ark THEN Temple of Doom THEN the last crusade, right? |
| 04:36.39 | zespri | so what do you do with screws with a hammer? |
| 04:36.48 | Cairenn | :p |
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| 04:37.25 | Cairenn | as I said, screws go in with a hammer, nails go in with a screwdriver, and they all come out with a crowbar :p |
| 04:37.58 | Tain | Is it getting hot in here or what! |
| 04:38.01 | Cairenn | o.O |
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| 04:38.05 | zespri | Ktron 81-84-89 =) |
| 04:38.16 | zespri | if google serves me right =) |
| 04:39.48 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 04:39.51 | Cairenn | night folks |
| 04:40.00 | Tain | nini |
| 04:40.22 | Cairenn|sleep | did too much today, feel like bleh again |
| 04:40.49 | Tain | Sleep goodly |
| 04:40.54 | zespri | bleh is sense of accomplishment? =) |
| 04:41.18 | Cairenn|sleep | no, bleh is I've been so sick, I shouldn't have pushed myself so hard today just because I was starting to feel better |
| 04:41.30 | Cairenn|sleep | now I feel just as bad as I did last week, again =/ |
| 04:41.32 | Cairenn|sleep | night |
| 04:41.35 | zespri | oh get well then |
| 04:49.00 | norganna | nite |
| 04:59.32 | Guillotine | so... would anyone find it useful if I made a GetUnitSobriety() addon? |
| 05:01.20 | Ktron|dev | we could make a drink off competition then |
| 05:01.20 | Osagasu | not overmuch, but you could to so much with it |
| 05:02.58 | Guillotine | the only real use I can think of for it is for mods like CTRA where data gets corrupted when ppl are drunk |
| 05:03.23 | Guillotine | this would let the mod know not to send data when the user is too drunk |
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| 05:13.35 | Ktron | Guillotine: good call--- even all the thottbot/alla mods could use it too |
| 05:38.16 | Guillotine | no. thottbot/alla mods wouldnt need it |
| 05:38.20 | Guillotine | they dont rely on chat |
| 05:38.24 | Guillotine | do they? |
| 05:38.43 | Guillotine | not like unit names are messed up when you're drunk... |
| 05:45.17 | Ktron | most of them store levels though |
| 05:45.25 | Ktron | and levels go down, don't they? |
| 05:46.19 | Ktron | I was convinced that that is why thottbot in particular will show low instance occurance of viewing lower level versions of certain mobs |
| 05:55.50 | Guillotine | really? |
| 05:55.55 | Guillotine | i never noticed that |
| 05:56.05 | Guillotine | could be |
| 06:00.27 | Guillotine | nobody ever lets me MT... |
| 06:00.33 | Guillotine | but then when I end up doing it, we pwn |
| 06:04.16 | SP|Sorren | does anyone know how to force wow to recognize other resolutions :/ |
| 06:08.13 | Kolth | Other WoW resolutions? |
| 06:10.06 | Kolth | GetScreen(Width/Height)() return pixel resoltuion. |
| 06:10.14 | SP|Sorren | in the video options |
| 06:10.19 | SP|Sorren | it only lists a few resolutions |
| 06:10.25 | Kolth | ah, you want non-standards. |
| 06:11.17 | SP|Sorren | well, they're standard |
| 06:11.21 | Kolth | SetScreenResolution might be your friend here |
| 06:11.22 | SP|Sorren | but not supported by my monitor |
| 06:11.24 | Kolth | Don't know its args. |
| 06:11.56 | Kolth | But I wonder if that doesn't just enable resolutions from the Video Options resolution drop-down |
| 06:13.03 | SP|Sorren | it just goes down the dropdown list |
| 06:13.05 | SP|Sorren | :/ |
| 06:13.36 | SP|Sorren | i wonder where it stores the video info |
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| 06:16.06 | Kolth | Tried Config.wtf? |
| 06:16.11 | Kolth | Maybe manual set? |
| 06:16.59 | Bela|SLEEP | night all |
| 06:18.31 | Kolth | Night, Bela |
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| 06:24.32 | Kolth | SP: |
| 06:24.32 | Kolth | SET gxResolution "1280x1024" |
| 06:24.33 | Kolth | change that |
| 06:24.34 | Tem | yay for successful formats |
| 06:24.40 | Kolth | Grats tem :P |
| 06:24.53 | Tem | almost done patching wow now |
| 06:25.05 | SP|Sorren | ill try it |
| 06:27.21 | SP|Sorren | much <3 to kolth! |
| 06:27.48 | Kolth | Welcome. |
| 06:30.44 | Depherios | Tried config.wtf already |
| 06:30.47 | Depherios | doesn't work |
| 06:30.53 | Depherios | or didn't anyway |
| 06:31.47 | Kolth | SP said it does? :| |
| 06:31.52 | Kolth | Or no? |
| 06:32.29 | SP|Sorren | it works |
| 06:32.33 | SP|Sorren | if you do in console |
| 06:32.39 | SP|Sorren | SET gxResolution "blahblah" |
| 06:32.43 | SP|Sorren | then gxRestart |
| 06:32.52 | SP|Sorren | but i'll have to do it everytime i start again |
| 06:33.10 | Depherios | really? O_o |
| 06:33.21 | Depherios | config.wtf doesn't though eh? |
| 06:36.39 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=matt@adsl-212-53-30.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:36.52 | SP|Sorren | no, it checks the config.wtf for invalid values or something :P |
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| 06:38.02 | SP|Sorren | bah, is there any way to check if you're silenced? |
| 06:38.17 | Tem | scan debuffs |
| 06:38.20 | Depherios | debuff |
| 06:38.47 | SP|Sorren | ah, but things like kick dont leave debuffs :/ |
| 06:38.56 | SP|Sorren | earth shock doesn't either, iirc |
| 06:39.19 | Depherios | kick and shield bash and those, are different, not silence... there's.... a word......... bah interrupt? no.. |
| 06:40.08 | SP|Sorren | almost silence. but not! |
| 06:40.15 | Depherios | lol |
| 06:40.32 | SP|Sorren | counterspelled maybe |
| 06:40.49 | SP|Sorren | need to figure out how to check for those :/ |
| 06:42.48 | Tem | grr! |
| 06:43.11 | Tem | Counterspell and kick don't count as a silence |
| 06:43.22 | Tem | they just activate the cooldowns of the entire tree |
| 06:47.42 | SP|Sorren | yes, its most interesting w/ my cooldown mod |
| 06:47.47 | SP|Sorren | you get 12 bars of jibberish! |
| 06:47.50 | SP|Sorren | woohoo! |
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| 06:52.11 | Tem | mmm |
| 06:52.21 | Tem | almost all my settings are done |
| 06:52.28 | Tem | almost back to where I want to be |
| 06:57.37 | Tem | hmm... more updates... |
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| 06:58.30 | norganna | rebooting too |
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| 07:37.58 | Tem | night everyone |
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| 07:42.32 | Cairenn|sleep | ugh, 3 hrs later, and I'm awake again |
| 07:42.47 | Cairenn|sleep | but not because I have to be |
| 07:43.01 | Cairenn|sleep | I just ... am .... |
| 07:43.02 | Cairenn|sleep | gah |
| 07:43.51 | SP|Sorren | take meds |
| 07:44.04 | Cairenn|sleep | tempting, very very tempting ... |
| 07:44.11 | SP|Sorren | have some alchohol ;P |
| 07:44.21 | SP|Sorren | meds never work for me :/ |
| 07:44.22 | Cairenn|sleep | nope :p |
| 07:44.33 | SP|Sorren | i cant quite remember if alcohol works or not |
| 07:44.39 | Cairenn|sleep | lol |
| 07:52.02 | norganna | ~cair|sleep |
| 07:52.04 | purl | cair|sleep is probably still awake |
| 07:52.28 | Cairenn|sleep | no, in this case she did sleep, she is just awake again |
| 07:52.45 | norganna | try some warm milk |
| 07:52.59 | Cairenn|sleep | no thanks |
| 07:53.31 | norganna | warm drink of some variety? |
| 07:53.38 | Cairenn|sleep | milk *cold* doesn't agree with me ... milk *warm* is a very bad plan |
| 07:54.34 | Cairenn|sleep | I'll hopefully get back to sleep soon :) |
| 07:54.48 | norganna | drinking warm drinks raise the body's core temperature. when the body begins to cool down again, it triggers sleepyness. |
| 07:54.58 | Cairenn|sleep | *nod* |
| 07:58.06 | Cairenn|sleep | lol |
| 07:58.57 | krka | o rly? |
| 07:59.06 | Cairenn|sleep | ~smack krka |
| 07:59.07 | purl | ACTION smacks krka upside the head. |
| 07:59.11 | norganna | better not do that... real doctors get upset when they see non doctors abusing their 2 letters |
| 08:00.51 | krka | there's a diff between md and dr though |
| 08:00.59 | Cairenn|sleep | yup |
| 08:01.30 | norganna | LilP1nky |
| 08:01.38 | krka | damn my stomach is really killing me :/ |
| 08:01.44 | norganna | bugger |
| 08:01.48 | Cairenn|sleep | you can be a Dr and not an MD, but you can't be an MD without being a Dr |
| 08:01.59 | norganna | don't you hate it when you type your wow password into chat |
| 08:02.01 | krka | my own fault though, i drank one or two beers too many |
| 08:02.15 | krka | lol |
| 08:02.36 | norganna | heheh - its a race |
| 08:02.38 | krka | good password though |
| 08:07.02 | Cairenn|sleep | hmmm ... think I'm gonna give my mom a day at the spa for Christmas .... she deserves some pampering :) |
| 08:08.33 | Cairenn|sleep | hate shopping, but do like doing things for my family that I know they'll enjoy :) |
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| 08:20.17 | SP|Sorren | which chat event is "hostile player begins to cast blahblah?" |
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| 08:24.49 | Cairenn|sleep | World of Warcraft Reaches 5 Million Customers - Nebu on 12/19/05 |
| 08:24.49 | Cairenn|sleep | http://www.blizzard.com/press/051219.shtml |
| 08:25.04 | Depherios | oh, I read that earlier.. I should have linked you guys |
| 08:26.09 | Kalroth | nuts |
| 08:28.40 | Cairenn|sleep | Hope they spend some of that chaching on their employees ... when EQ hit 100k users, they all got leather jackets with the EQ logo |
| 08:31.58 | MoonWolf | i read an interview and it was mentioned that blizzard does do things like that |
| 08:32.22 | MoonWolf | they get shields and swords and stuff at certain amount of years worked at blizzard. |
| 08:32.30 | Cairenn|sleep | just ... wow ... 5 million subscribers ... geeeeeez |
| 08:32.37 | MoonWolf | so i doubt they would not do it for a achievement like this. |
| 08:32.44 | Cairenn|sleep | yeah, really |
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| 08:33.27 | MoonWolf | they almost a third of my countries population in susbscribers. |
| 08:33.32 | MoonWolf | that is soo.... |
| 08:34.56 | Cairenn|sleep | omg, I love this ... |
| 08:35.17 | Cairenn|sleep | "Actually, Caydiem is no longer in charge of vague rumors, only misinformation spreading and blame. Tseric took over the vague rumor task when he joined our team recently. With some of her time free, she has been able to focus on changing her signature much more frequently, however." - Eyonix |
| 08:36.25 | Elkano | Good 'whatever' :) how was the dev chat going? |
| 08:37.36 | Cairenn|sleep | eh |
| 08:37.54 | Cairenn|sleep | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2685 |
| 08:38.01 | Cairenn|sleep | link to the transcript in there :) |
| 08:38.27 | Cairenn|sleep | "Eyonix is in charge of shattering player's dreams. Of taking their hopes and desires, and twisting them to his own evil ends. He also has to keep the snack bowl filled." - random poster |
| 08:38.47 | Cairenn|sleep | "Wait, then what do you do Eyonix? I thought you spread dissent and disorder but Tseric seems to have taken that over as well..." |
| 08:39.35 | Elkano | wow Vaneck really did say alot :/ |
| 08:39.41 | MoonWolf | thundie was there. |
| 08:41.42 | Elkano | you're from England? |
| 08:45.12 | MoonWolf | dutch, |
| 08:45.26 | MoonWolf | but i love our CM's they totally pwn you cm's. |
| 08:46.07 | Elkano | well, but you're using the English forums :( luccky you got a life in your UI forums... our's is a shame :( |
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| 08:51.44 | Suntiger | internet farted out. |
| 08:57.55 | Elkano | hmmm... |
| 08:57.56 | Elkano | Tigole: The cannon is a good example of something we added later |
| 08:57.56 | Elkano | Tigole: because corpses all over mulgore are fun! |
| 09:00.46 | Suntiger | indeede |
| 09:02.04 | Elkano | well, I'm off for my kanji course... back in about 90min I suppose |
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| 09:17.49 | voiceme_need_nic | HAI! |
| 09:18.06 | MoonWolf | what are you, japanese :P |
| 09:18.17 | Kolth | ne |
| 09:19.39 | Cairenn|sleep | heheh, wb Indu :) |
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| 09:20.09 | Cairenn|sleep | and no, Industrial (aka voiceme) is German, actually |
| 09:20.52 | Cairenn|sleep | wwwwhhhhhyyyyyyyy did I wake up? *whine* |
| 09:21.05 | Kolth | Because you needed to have this conversation. |
| 09:21.13 | Kolth | Something very important is to come of it! |
| 09:21.55 | Cairenn|sleep | well, got to put a new News post up ... |
| 09:22.10 | SP|Sorren | you could sleep now. |
| 09:22.14 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 09:22.50 | groll | morning ppl |
| 09:22.53 | Kolth | morn |
| 09:22.55 | SP|Sorren | i wonder if i can get a taiwan version of wow o.O |
| 09:22.58 | Cairenn|sleep | no, I did sleep, I slept for 3 hrs, I was sound asleep ... then, I was awake ... |
| 09:23.15 | groll | does anyone happen to know of any program that checks your internet if it's up or down or such? |
| 09:23.29 | Kolth | My internet is always on. |
| 09:23.37 | Kolth | My connection to it, however, sometimes goes down. |
| 09:24.02 | Kolth | What are you trying to find, groll? |
| 09:24.22 | groll | if i lose my connection |
| 09:24.27 | Cairenn|sleep | groll ... lol ... I know this isn't what you mean, but sometimes ya just gotta take the cheap shot, ya know? ... can you surf the web? check your email? chat on an instant messenger? chat in IRC? .. |
| 09:24.39 | groll | which i know i do i just wanna know how often..getting pretty tired of my isp |
| 09:24.54 | Kalroth | groll: google for 'winmtr' |
| 09:25.15 | Kalroth | groll: it's a program that does a traceroute to a host or ip |
| 09:25.32 | groll | Cairenn|sleep umm :P |
| 09:25.33 | Kalroth | groll: let it run for a day, then you can see how often your internet is down |
| 09:25.39 | groll | ok thx |
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| 09:25.53 | Cairenn|sleep | groll: sorry hun, just had to, I don't often get the chance ;) |
| 09:26.07 | AnduinLothar | just need to have somehting that does a ping |
| 09:26.14 | groll | :P |
| 09:26.18 | Kolth | (and logs the result) |
| 09:26.21 | id` | so yea, im back and stuff |
| 09:26.26 | Cairenn|sleep | wb Indu |
| 09:26.40 | Cairenn|sleep | IRC, log the ping pongs |
| 09:27.09 | id` | <-- ! |
| 09:27.16 | groll | aaahaaa |
| 09:27.26 | id` | ^________^ |
| 09:27.32 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 09:27.36 | id` | :O |
| 09:27.37 | Cairenn|sleep | that's still pretty freaky ... 5 *million* customers ... |
| 09:27.43 | groll | ok hmm now i need a host to trace hmmmm |
| 09:27.53 | AnduinLothar | :'( DotA doesn't like me |
| 09:27.54 | id` | gateway.is.remotion.nl |
| 09:27.59 | id` | (my current, lol) |
| 09:28.13 | Kalroth | AnduinLothar: yeah, winmtr does a continuously traceroute to an ip, I use it to verify that it's not my ISP that makes the wow server lag like *beep* |
| 09:28.33 | groll | oh server ip to wow? :P |
| 09:28.43 | groll | Cairenn|sleep is that wow customers? |
| 09:28.48 | Cairenn|sleep | yeah |
| 09:28.55 | Kalroth | groll: when you're logged into wow, do 'netstat' in cmd |
| 09:29.00 | groll | k and they still make a crap game :P |
| 09:29.07 | Cairenn|sleep | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=2690 |
| 09:29.19 | groll | ohh i gotta go check my i'm an orc and i celebrate x-mas whine post :P |
| 09:29.20 | Kalroth | groll: it'll show a list of active connections, wow connection is (obviously) one of them |
| 09:29.48 | Kolth | Kalroth: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/TcpView.html |
| 09:29.53 | Kolth | That program is the bee's! |
| 09:29.58 | id` | tcpview \o/ |
| 09:30.00 | Kalroth | love sysinternal :) |
| 09:30.03 | id` | sysinternals \o/ |
| 09:30.06 | Kolth | Roger that. |
| 09:30.08 | id` | yeh :p |
| 09:30.13 | Kalroth | and when Mark rips Sony a new one :p |
| 09:33.34 | Kolth | Any Eve Online players? |
| 09:33.47 | groll | i used to play it |
| 09:33.57 | Kolth | What race? |
| 09:34.13 | Kalroth | I used to play it for over a year :) |
| 09:34.26 | Kolth | What race? :P |
| 09:34.26 | Kalroth | Race doesn't really matter, apart from your starting location |
| 09:34.30 | groll | hmm 80.239.178.113:3724 or 80.239.233.60:3724 |
| 09:34.35 | Kalroth | The cool ones are Caldari though |
| 09:34.41 | Kolth | Whyso? |
| 09:34.47 | groll | race does matter! :P |
| 09:35.08 | Kalroth | Because of their background, they're greedy money loving bastards that doesn't mind experimenting on humans! |
| 09:35.09 | groll | what u wanna do in eve? blow stuff up? or mine :P |
| 09:35.17 | AnduinLothar | no wonder the silly blizz drop down code doesn't work.. it doesn't take scale into account... someones programming at 100% scale.. anughty naughty |
| 09:35.24 | Kolth | I like the idea of being rich. |
| 09:35.34 | Kalroth | Caldari race got some really nice PVP ships, Scorpion and Raven |
| 09:36.04 | Kolth | Is there a race/class/role combo that is akin to WoW's Rogue class? :P |
| 09:36.08 | Kalroth | Amarr are ruthless facist bastards and they like lasers, also some nice PVP ships |
| 09:36.16 | groll | caldari i think then |
| 09:36.20 | groll | hmm lemme check :P |
| 09:36.34 | Kolth | I wanna gank pepole! |
| 09:36.41 | Kolth | And spell things correctly! |
| 09:36.46 | Kalroth | Caldari are technology whores, they like stealth and ranged fights |
| 09:36.57 | Kalroth | Amarr are brute force facists, up your face etc |
| 09:37.29 | Kalroth | Gallente are the EU in EVE, democrats, peaceloving and got good allround ships |
| 09:37.34 | Kolth | Why did you guys quit Eve? |
| 09:37.49 | Kalroth | I burned out, simple as that :) |
| 09:37.59 | Kalroth | but it's the best PVP game I've ever played, hands down |
| 09:38.00 | Kolth | That good? :P |
| 09:39.14 | Kalroth | oh yeah, last race is Minmatar, previous slaves of Amarr, they're now free and fighting to free the remaining brothers enslaved by Amarr facist pigs! |
| 09:39.14 | Kolth | That's encouraging |
| 09:39.51 | Kalroth | Let me put it this way, end-game in EVE means 200+ player fleetbattles that multiple commanders control through teamspeak |
| 09:40.17 | Kolth | Orgasmic. |
| 09:40.36 | groll | meh i forgot what race is what :P |
| 09:40.47 | Kalroth | small, fast attack vessels to lock a ship down and kill other small+medium ships, medium ships to kill the small ships, large ships to kill other large ships and medium ships |
| 09:41.04 | Kalroth | huuuuuge ships to kill the large and other huuuuge ships |
| 09:41.34 | groll | Kolth if you dont end up in a good guild eve sucks, and it gets darn boring to just mine and mine and mine some more and to travel for 2 hours to mine for a day and then travel 3 hour sback again :P |
| 09:41.39 | groll | but pvp action kick ass |
| 09:41.53 | Kalroth | http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/default.asp <- list of all ships in EVE |
| 09:42.07 | Kalroth | read description of dreadnoughts :p |
| 09:42.34 | Kolth | ha |
| 09:42.47 | id` | is that some sort of browser game? |
| 09:42.51 | Kalroth | nopes |
| 09:43.04 | Kalroth | it's a _very_ nice looking game |
| 09:43.06 | id` | that people wake themselves up for at 2 am to ckicl a button on a website to launch an attack and go to sleep? |
| 09:43.09 | id` | oh ok |
| 09:43.18 | Kolth | Eve is the opposite. |
| 09:43.23 | id` | good, then |
| 09:43.24 | Kalroth | oh and the main game scripting engine is stackless pythoon :P |
| 09:43.25 | Kolth | Quite possibly the most intricate game ever made. |
| 09:43.31 | id` | only good pvp i know is Dark age of Camelot |
| 09:43.38 | Kalroth | How long did it take you to learn WoW? |
| 09:43.43 | Kalroth | a week? |
| 09:43.45 | Kolth | 30 seconds? |
| 09:43.46 | Kalroth | less? |
| 09:43.47 | id` | though there are some classes that are a bit overpoered |
| 09:43.49 | Kalroth | exactly :) |
| 09:43.57 | Kolth | Press buttons. |
| 09:43.58 | Kolth | Win. |
| 09:44.00 | id` | (vampiir, scout?) |
| 09:44.05 | Kolth | I'm already an hour or so into Eve's tutorial. |
| 09:44.06 | Kalroth | I can garantee you that after spending a week in EVE you're still going to be a newbie |
| 09:44.13 | Kalroth | so don't give up too fast |
| 09:44.23 | Kolth | The tutorial was neat but long -- went to bed :P |
| 09:44.24 | id` | WoW is so easy because so many people play it they need to make it simple |
| 09:44.25 | Kalroth | learning curve in EVE is very high, there's a lot to learn |
| 09:44.28 | Kolth | Was still quite compelling. |
| 09:44.33 | id` | i prefer the 50 different classes games |
| 09:44.41 | Kalroth | EVE market is 95% player controlled |
| 09:44.44 | id` | like DaoC |
| 09:44.44 | id` | :p |
| 09:44.51 | Kalroth | some parts of the market is 100% player controlled |
| 09:44.56 | Kolth | Kal: How much can a person accomplish while they're offline? |
| 09:45.16 | Kalroth | Kolth: You train skills all the time, online or offline |
| 09:45.16 | id` | i still like "medieval" steel and magic games better then futuristic ones though |
| 09:45.22 | Kolth | I know that. |
| 09:45.25 | Kolth | But I'm talking cashflow. |
| 09:45.27 | Kolth | Or whatever. |
| 09:45.38 | Kalroth | oh, depends on how much you put up for sale/purchase |
| 09:45.42 | Kolth | Things like, say ... I'm some important person. |
| 09:45.49 | Kolth | People do things for me, I get cash. |
| 09:45.55 | Kolth | Or tribute, whatever. |
| 09:46.01 | Kolth | Do those elements exist? |
| 09:46.12 | Kalroth | You're thinking about tax, which wasn't implemented when I played |
| 09:46.16 | Kalroth | It might have now though |
| 09:46.22 | Kolth | Or Player-created quests. |
| 09:46.25 | Kalroth | there's corporation taxes |
| 09:46.38 | Kolth | Spiff |
| 09:46.48 | Kolth | I have a friend that, I guess, is seriously rich. |
| 09:46.51 | Kalroth | nopes, no player-created quests, you can put a bounty on someone though, which sounds neat, but doesn't really work |
| 09:47.02 | Kalroth | How long has he been playing? |
| 09:47.09 | Kolth | No idea. |
| 09:47.17 | Kolth | How long has Eve been around? |
| 09:47.26 | Kalroth | uh, for long :) |
| 09:47.32 | Kalroth | over 2 years |
| 09:47.35 | Kolth | Damn. |
| 09:47.45 | Kolth | Insanely advanced for that age. |
| 09:48.11 | Kalroth | id`: http://www.eve-online.com/screenshots/ <- ingame screenshots, I kid you not :) |
| 09:48.18 | id` | k |
| 09:48.23 | Kolth | Things like what my friend said he was doing early on... Protecting miners from enemies. Got payed lots of cash for it. |
| 09:48.46 | Kalroth | Yup Kolth, when mining in unprotected space, you need protection |
| 09:48.58 | Kolth | Any tips before I spend some more serous time in Eve? |
| 09:49.03 | Kalroth | otherwise you will get ganked either by NPCs or (worse) by PCs :p |
| 09:49.22 | MoonWolf | Kolth, get insurance. alway's get insurance. |
| 09:49.29 | Kalroth | Kolth: not really, if you like it, then you like it otherwise you hate it, there isn't any middleway :) |
| 09:49.31 | Kolth | Lose ships lots? :P |
| 09:49.36 | Kalroth | oh yeah |
| 09:49.42 | Kalroth | especially as a newbie :p |
| 09:50.00 | Kalroth | stay in 1.0 to 0.5 space until you know what you're doing |
| 09:50.03 | AnduinLothar | eve based in space? |
| 09:50.06 | Kalroth | yup |
| 09:50.12 | AnduinLothar | mmo? |
| 09:50.14 | Kalroth | yup |
| 09:50.16 | AnduinLothar | $? |
| 09:50.18 | Kalroth | one server for all |
| 09:50.20 | Kalroth | yup |
| 09:50.20 | Kolth | Is MMO right? |
| 09:50.23 | Kolth | 12/mo |
| 09:50.29 | Kolth | It's it a EMMO? |
| 09:50.30 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 09:50.34 | Kalroth | their record is over 17k players on the same server |
| 09:50.42 | Depherios | yeah... I was thinking of playing it... obsessed with Scifi and all as I am |
| 09:50.42 | Kalroth | at the same time |
| 09:50.51 | Depherios | and SWG holding no interest to me XD |
| 09:50.51 | AnduinLothar | not that i have time for another game... barely have time to play wow |
| 09:50.52 | Kalroth | EMMO? |
| 09:51.00 | Kolth | Extremely Massive... :) |
| 09:51.20 | AnduinLothar | repetitively redundant |
| 09:51.41 | Kalroth | Kolth: 6500 systems in the game, up to 17000 players that you can interact with (or they can interact with you :), several hundres shiptypes .. take a guess :) |
| 09:51.55 | AnduinLothar | there. i got my menu to behave. it stays on screen now like i told it too |
| 09:52.00 | Kolth | It seems like the most engrossing game created yet. |
| 09:52.06 | Cairenn|sleep | ~cheer AnduinLothar |
| 09:52.08 | purl | ACTION cheers AnduinLothar on |
| 09:52.28 | Kalroth | oh and best of all, the developers behind it are very down to earth, mainly because of the limited playerbase |
| 09:52.39 | Kalroth | I used to talk to them on irc all the time :) |
| 09:52.42 | AnduinLothar | just required a dirty flag and a ToggleDropDownMenu hook |
| 09:53.09 | Kalroth | mmm, hold on, I think I got an old program I wrote for it |
| 09:53.18 | Kolth | What's modding like for it? |
| 09:53.36 | Kalroth | there isn't any API for it, not that I know of anyways |
| 09:53.40 | Kalroth | but you wont need it |
| 09:54.08 | Kalroth | the ingame UI is very flexible and offers pretty much everything you want |
| 09:55.09 | Kolth | What kind of programs do you write for it? |
| 09:56.03 | Kalroth | I only wrote a few external programs, to view map data etc |
| 09:56.11 | Kalroth | wrote an opengl starmap render |
| 09:57.34 | Kolth | If I make a char on RaceA can I send my RaceB char the cash |
| 10:13.36 | Kalroth | Kolth: mmm, I think so, but actually I can't remember |
| 10:14.11 | Kolth | I want to play now but my friend I want to play with is asleep and I don't know his race :) |
| 10:16.57 | Kalroth | haha |
| 10:17.34 | Kolth | Can I get info on offline players? hrm |
| 10:17.38 | Kalroth | well doesn't matter, make a char anywhere you want, he can find you easily |
| 10:17.49 | Kolth | And we can ... be together? :P |
| 10:17.55 | Kalroth | kinky |
| 10:18.11 | Cairenn|sleep | kinky? |
| 10:18.17 | Kalroth | :P |
| 10:18.32 | Kalroth | Kolth: all races can travel in all other race space |
| 10:18.48 | Kalroth | Kolth: it's like wow, a "cold war", not an official one |
| 10:18.53 | Kolth | And we can land in similar places? Use similar resources? |
| 10:18.59 | Kalroth | yup |
| 10:19.06 | Kalroth | land = dock in same bases |
| 10:19.21 | Kalroth | and mine same rocks, kill same npcs, get ganked by same pirates, etc |
| 10:19.43 | Kalroth | oh and tell him that 'Curse Alliance' rocks! |
| 10:19.43 | Kolth | So we're limited by our race's tech trees, kinda? |
| 10:20.00 | Kalroth | neither, all races got access to the same tech :) |
| 10:20.12 | Kolth | So you choose race for fun? |
| 10:20.15 | Kalroth | race is merely history and a few starting stats and starting place |
| 10:20.17 | Kalroth | that's it |
| 10:20.22 | Kolth | Good! |
| 10:20.28 | Kolth | And navigation seems awesome. |
| 10:20.34 | Kolth | Rather thoughtless. |
| 10:21.15 | Kalroth | yup, I love navigation in EVE, takes a while to get used to, but it allows for some cool dogfights |
| 10:21.34 | Kolth | I like how you can choose how far to be away from an enemy. |
| 10:21.42 | Kalroth | feverishly clicking the mouse to explain your ship NOT to go same direction as that torpedo |
| 10:22.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Elkano (i=Elkano@pool013.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 10:22.45 | Kalroth | Kolth: but make sure to tell your friend that Curse (CA) rocks! |
| 10:22.50 | Kolth | ha |
| 10:22.57 | Kalroth | Kolth: Either he'll give you money or he'll shoot you down :P |
| 10:23.17 | Kolth | What's cA? |
| 10:24.30 | Kalroth | Curse Alliance, it was the most hated alliance of it's time |
| 10:24.37 | Kalroth | we were at war with pretty much everyone else |
| 10:24.38 | Kolth | Player? |
| 10:24.40 | Kalroth | yup |
| 10:24.41 | Kolth | oh, we :P |
| 10:25.03 | Kalroth | all the zero-security space systems are player controlled |
| 10:25.09 | Kalroth | we controlled a lot |
| 10:25.12 | Kolth | So hot. |
| 10:25.20 | Kolth | What determined control? |
| 10:25.21 | Kalroth | and did our best to piss off other alliances |
| 10:25.37 | Kalroth | well we had border guards and patrols |
| 10:25.43 | Kolth | NPCs? |
| 10:25.47 | Kalroth | nopes, players |
| 10:25.55 | Kolth | Sounds time-intensive. |
| 10:26.09 | Kalroth | well it wasn't a 24/7 job |
| 10:26.23 | Kalroth | basically we lived close to the borders |
| 10:26.32 | Kalroth | if there was action, we could move in 5-15 minutes |
| 10:26.33 | Kolth | Where do you live? |
| 10:26.43 | Kalroth | I lived in Curse :) |
| 10:26.56 | Kolth | Player-bought station? |
| 10:27.01 | Kalroth | http://www.acdev.org/evemapo/screenshot.jpg <- the program I wrote ages ago |
| 10:27.07 | Kalroth | naw, I lived on an NPC station |
| 10:27.12 | Kalroth | but there was player stations too |
| 10:27.24 | Kolth | Wow, that's neat (program) |
| 10:27.39 | Kalroth | program itself is here: http://www.acdev.org/evemapo/evemapo_with_data.rar |
| 10:27.44 | Kalroth | I don't have the source here though |
| 10:28.09 | Kalroth | I wrote it in a few days and then got bored with it ;p |
| 10:50.33 | Elkano | lol? I aksed in the forums for a way to access the data from KC_Items for another addon and what did I get (besides an answer to my question from the mods author :) ): a PM that I should use the actioneer related informant instead ^^' |
| 10:56.02 | AnduinLothar | there we go. now the silly thing stays on screen when i use cursor anchoring too :) |
| 10:57.07 | MatryxWrk | elkano: don't you know, no matter what you want to do it's the wrong way to do it. |
| 10:57.49 | MatryxWrk | oh - Kalroth: I reside in Bille |
| 10:58.00 | MatryxWrk | http://img.eve.is/serv.asp?s=512&c=939966268 |
| 10:58.02 | Elkano | and I'm back to my channel joining problems ;) |
| 10:58.15 | MatryxWrk | <3 the fact you can pull back portraits from the webservers and see skill progression etc |
| 10:59.58 | AnduinLothar | wow.. no one really looked over the dropdown code did they... it divides by uiscale rather than multiplying |
| 11:00.20 | AnduinLothar | and then when it gets the screen width it ignores scale.. |
| 11:00.25 | AnduinLothar | dumb.. |
| 11:00.47 | AnduinLothar | obviously tested at 100% scale only |
| 11:01.01 | AnduinLothar | QA needs repremanding |
| 11:01.39 | Kolth | :) |
| 11:01.53 | Kolth | Doh! I hop onto Eve to get a few hours in and they shut down servers for maint. |
| 11:04.44 | Elkano | \o/ joining on the first CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL seems to work :) |
| 11:07.15 | id` | Q: I'm now doing this: |
| 11:07.17 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.37 | id` | I think im breaking other addons that need the messages |
| 11:07.48 | id` | i havent tested though |
| 11:07.53 | id` | (and i cant right now) |
| 11:07.58 | id` | any idea? |
| 11:08.13 | id` | oh, cf is the chat frame btw |
| 11:08.17 | id` | 1-7 |
| 11:09.54 | id` | and func is 'Chat'..i..'AddMessage' |
| 11:09.55 | id` | :X |
| 11:13.44 | id` | hmmmm |
| 11:20.47 | Elkano | is there a way to set a default value for a functions parameter if it's not given when the function is called? Or are additional parameters automaticaly set to NIL? |
| 11:21.55 | AnduinLothar | nil |
| 11:22.01 | Elkano | ok :) |
| 11:22.22 | id` | function foo(...) if not arg[1] then arg[1]='bar' end end ? |
| 11:22.26 | AnduinLothar | if not var then var = default end |
| 11:22.30 | id` | :] |
| 11:23.21 | id` | funciton foo(bar='baz') end |
| 11:23.26 | id` | would be nicer though |
| 11:23.32 | id` | :< |
| 11:26.01 | id` | http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=BSKQHEN&key=BSK |
| 11:27.08 | Elkano | damn, why aren't itemlinks working in custom chat channels :/ |
| 11:27.38 | id` | i cleverly put my email in there in dutch |
| 11:27.39 | id` | :0 |
| 11:27.54 | id` | that site doesnt let you. you need to pay 5 bucks to email eachother |
| 11:27.57 | id` | all profile changes are moderated |
| 11:28.36 | id` | fortunately they are too dumb to grab a dictionary |
| 11:30.17 | id` | andersom => reversed/the other way around. moctnup => puntcom => punt=dot =>dot com => Industrial <something> bzet dot com |
| 11:30.34 | id` | woot! an email! :P |
| 11:30.55 | id` | we call the @ an "apenstaartje" (monkey tail...) |
| 11:31.11 | id` | ke ke ke |
| 11:31.22 | id` | im so talking to myself :| |
| 11:32.16 | Elkano | but funny to read :) |
| 11:34.27 | Elkano | but the server removing links from chat channels kills all the ideas I had for distributing items among clients :( |
| 11:41.20 | id` | im rated an 8 ke ke |
| 11:47.02 | AnduinLothar | so, would you call it a channel 'user list' or 'member list' ? |
| 11:48.34 | Kalroth | user list (imo) |
| 11:48.50 | Kalroth | no patch today, Cair :) |
| 11:48.56 | Cairenn|sleep | Maintenance |
| 11:48.58 | AnduinLothar | nah, they go down at 4 |
| 11:48.59 | Cairenn|sleep | it's Tuesday |
| 11:49.09 | Elkano | but no patch :( *cry* |
| 11:49.24 | Kalroth | 1.9 wont be released until after holidays |
| 11:49.42 | Elkano | *evenmorecrying* |
| 11:49.43 | Kalroth | it's too big of a patch to release right before holidays |
| 11:49.55 | Cairenn|sleep | yeah, we've been through this conversation a few times now in the various channels, haven't we? ;) |
| 11:50.14 | Elkano | they could leave the content away as long as they give us the functions ;) |
| 11:50.28 | AnduinLothar | member list or user list? |
| 11:50.49 | Elkano | the latter I think |
| 11:51.07 | Kalroth | Cair, I haven't and I like to argue! |
| 11:51.33 | Cairenn|sleep | member list, to me, means like guild or whatever ... bunch of random users in some random channel would be a user list |
| 11:51.42 | Cairenn|sleep | my opinion, for whatever it's worth |
| 11:51.47 | Kalroth | loser list is even better though |
| 11:52.02 | Cairenn|sleep | Kalroth: oh yeah? well ... well |
| 11:52.06 | Kalroth | :P |
| 11:52.10 | Cairenn|sleep | well damn, I'm too tired to think of anything :p |
| 11:52.14 | Cairenn|sleep | ;) |
| 11:52.20 | Kalroth | Just look at the list of this channel :) |
| 11:52.31 | Kalroth | Except you of course! |
| 11:52.38 | Kalroth | and Bela! and ChanServ! |
| 11:52.57 | Elkano | Anyone else could imagine a safe way to transmit items from one client to another besides using item links as they don't seem to work in private channels :( ? |
| 11:53.43 | AnduinLothar | just send the item id in the channel |
| 11:54.18 | AnduinLothar | or require that addon that allows you to use item links in custom channels |
| 11:54.34 | Elkano | well, I wanted to prevent that so simply spams a number in the channel causing dc to those who use the addon |
| 11:55.16 | AnduinLothar | u only dc if you send too many msgs |
| 11:55.22 | Elkano | so using links would have cause the server to validate the items resulting in a dc for those wo try to send invalid links |
| 11:56.01 | AnduinLothar | so have it test it by whispering to yourself |
| 11:56.18 | Elkano | that would still dc me, wouldn't it? |
| 11:56.22 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 11:56.29 | AnduinLothar | but better than everyone else |
| 11:56.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge NEF|Kaylera (n=simop@193.90.50.41) |
| 11:57.05 | Elkano | well, I think of so NOT using the item but joining the channel and sending invalid item data |
| 11:57.10 | AnduinLothar | can you look at an item not seen? just not send it? |
| 11:57.51 | Elkano | well, if it's in your local cache (GetItemInfo doesn't return nil) you can dressup I think |
| 11:58.58 | Elkano | but I wanted the users to also cache items they haven't seen themselves before if other users did see them |
| 11:59.34 | AnduinLothar | by look at i meant see the tooltip |
| 11:59.51 | Elkano | this is the addon I'm working on: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4418 |
| 12:00.17 | Elkano | the tooltips content has to be requested from the server, too, afaik |
| 12:00.48 | Elkano | but if it's cached localy, it will be used prior to asking the server afaik |
| 12:01.27 | Elkano | so it could happen after maintance that you get a tooltip but linking wouldn't be safe |
| 12:01.29 | AnduinLothar | so you can disco yourself by just clicking on a link of an item not seen? |
| 12:01.57 | Elkano | if you get the link via chat, the server validated id, so no dc |
| 12:02.08 | Elkano | s/id/it |
| 12:02.17 | AnduinLothar | you can also print the link yourself |
| 12:02.58 | norganna | nite all |
| 12:03.09 | Elkano | well, the link is |c(color as hex)|Hitem:x:x:x:x|h[name]|h|r |
| 12:03.15 | AnduinLothar | so GetItemInfo discos you if you request a nonseen item? |
| 12:03.39 | Elkano | no, GetItemInfo will never dc you since it only operates on the clients cache |
| 12:03.56 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 12:04.16 | Elkano | but if you build a link from the data returned and then send that link via chat it will possible dc you |
| 12:04.47 | Elkano | eg linking a ledgendary just after the servers have come back up |
| 12:05.26 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 12:08.22 | Kolth | Kalroth: This is amazing... I connect to Eve and it says "Disconnected: Starting up (98 Seconds)" |
| 12:08.29 | Kolth | 59 seconds to go :P |
| 12:08.30 | Kalroth | :D |
| 12:08.36 | Kalroth | Servers are starting up! |
| 12:08.39 | Kolth | This puts Blizzard to shame. |
| 12:08.42 | Kolth | SHAME |
| 12:08.56 | Kalroth | Well EVE does have server mainentance every 24 hours >< |
| 12:09.07 | Kolth | But for 1hr |
| 12:09.12 | Kalroth | yup, very short |
| 12:09.17 | Kolth | WoW has one per week for 8+hrs :P |
| 12:09.25 | Kalroth | it's only the big expansions that takes a long time |
| 12:09.25 | Kolth | You have to ask ... Why? |
| 12:09.36 | Kolth | Has any dev really explained what they do? |
| 12:09.39 | Kolth | (Blizzard) |
| 12:09.59 | Kalroth | dunno with Blizzard, but with CCP it's for backup and reindexing database |
| 12:10.31 | Kalroth | (backup of transaction logs, etc) |
| 12:10.39 | Kolth | I can see that. |
| 12:11.01 | Kolth | I know some of the weekly downtime is for PvP. |
| 12:11.05 | Kolth | Which is silly if you ask me. |
| 12:11.11 | Kolth | Especially since they run nightly backup. |
| 12:11.27 | Kolth | And when they do run their nightly processes the entire server dies for a minute. |
| 12:11.50 | Kalroth | I don't know, the whole PVP reputation systems seems way too complicated |
| 12:11.51 | AnduinLothar | there we go... think i have the chatbar rather presentable. any guinea pigs? |
| 12:12.04 | Kolth | Surely. |
| 12:13.39 | Kolth | I'll be running this with _Alpha. |
| 12:14.09 | Kolth | w/ ChatFrame1 in near-default position. |
| 12:14.34 | Kolth | Ermf. WoW is down isn't it. |
| 12:14.39 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 12:14.42 | Cairenn|sleep | no, it isn't ... |
| 12:14.44 | AnduinLothar | i'm still on |
| 12:14.45 | Kolth | Lag, then. |
| 12:14.46 | Cairenn|sleep | damn them |
| 12:14.58 | Kolth | Loading character -- nasty lag at Auth. |
| 12:15.24 | Kolth | This char's \WTF contained no previous entries for ChatBar, btw. |
| 12:15.37 | Kolth | Anything in particular to break, er... test? |
| 12:15.39 | AnduinLothar | it may not be obvious, but options are right click on border. drag by border. each button has it's own options |
| 12:16.08 | Kolth | Wowza. |
| 12:16.13 | AnduinLothar | prolly need to make some way to show the options when the border's hidden other than guessing where it is |
| 12:16.17 | Kolth | You've added some cream to this sucker since last I saw it. |
| 12:17.01 | Kolth | Working wonderfully so far! |
| 12:17.14 | AnduinLothar | ya, been having hell with the dropdowns for a few weeks |
| 12:18.00 | Kolth | Found a kinda bug. |
| 12:18.09 | AnduinLothar | mmm? |
| 12:18.13 | Kolth | ChatBar is on the right of the screen. |
| 12:18.21 | Kolth | (basically opposite of default) |
| 12:18.26 | Kolth | Right-click right-edge |
| 12:18.36 | Kolth | Drop-down appears about 400px left and 150px down |
| 12:18.37 | AnduinLothar | tooltip goes off the edge :/ |
| 12:18.57 | Kolth | Tooltip goes off the edge, yes. |
| 12:19.07 | Kolth | Want video of the drop-down's location? |
| 12:19.13 | AnduinLothar | that far? |
| 12:19.20 | Kolth | Very far. |
| 12:19.20 | AnduinLothar | that's odd.. |
| 12:19.30 | AnduinLothar | clicking on button or bar? |
| 12:19.37 | Kolth | Bar. |
| 12:19.40 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 12:19.42 | Kolth | To get AddOn options. |
| 12:20.22 | Kalroth | who's Cropper? is she sexy? |
| 12:20.36 | Kolth | Cropper is the best image/video capture util ever. |
| 12:20.57 | AnduinLothar | do me a favor and do find the x loc of the cursor when u click and the UIParent:GetRight() and the UIParent:GetScale() |
| 12:21.10 | AnduinLothar | and are you on the test server? |
| 12:21.14 | Kolth | Live. |
| 12:21.17 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 12:21.28 | AnduinLothar | haven't tried on test. they futzed up the scales |
| 12:21.30 | Kolth | What's the function for cursor pos? |
| 12:21.43 | AnduinLothar | local cursorX, cursorY = GetCursorPosition(); |
| 12:22.10 | AnduinLothar | so /print {GetCursorPosition()}[1] |
| 12:22.42 | Kolth | Wow! I didn't even think there was syntax for what you just did. |
| 12:22.46 | Kolth | Smartypants. |
| 12:22.49 | Kolth | Anywho, x |
| 12:22.57 | Kolth | 941.999999999221422 |
| 12:23.29 | Kolth | UIParent:GetRight() -> 1279.9999999804592 |
| 12:23.52 | Kolth | UIParent:GetScale() -> 0.75 |
| 12:24.15 | Kolth | Still wanna see where the menu is appearing? |
| 12:24.29 | AnduinLothar | not reall |
| 12:24.30 | AnduinLothar | y |
| 12:24.44 | Kolth | It kinda looks like it's stayiing on the screen y-wise, just not x-wise. |
| 12:25.08 | Kalroth | Kolth: EVE political map as it looks right now (player controlled space) -> http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg |
| 12:25.08 | AnduinLothar | looks like a scaling issue |
| 12:25.19 | Kolth | (I can't get it off the screen (below) but I can get it to appear way too left. |
| 12:25.39 | Kolth | Kalroth: The notion of even being able to post a link like that makes Eve blow my mind. |
| 12:27.17 | AnduinLothar | hmm... so you are sposed to divide the mouse loc by the scale... |
| 12:27.25 | AnduinLothar | then why does it work on my box.. |
| 12:27.32 | Kalroth | I just reactivated my account now, you're to blame for this, Kolth! |
| 12:27.41 | Kolth | Sorry, Kal. |
| 12:28.12 | AnduinLothar | kolth. go in the lua and find local cursorX, cursorY = GetCursorPosition(); |
| 12:28.20 | AnduinLothar | add this after: |
| 12:28.25 | AnduinLothar | cursorX = cursorX/uiScale; |
| 12:28.30 | AnduinLothar | cursorY = cursorY/uiScale; |
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| 12:28.43 | Kolth | Done. |
| 12:28.53 | Kalroth | Kolth: Another nifty thing about EVE; you can get your character information and stats exported as an XML from their website :D |
| 12:29.00 | Kolth | So hot. |
| 12:29.11 | Kolth | Eve is the perfect "Get really into it and love every bit of it" game. |
| 12:29.17 | AnduinLothar | that should fix your problem... tho i'm so confused as to why you have to scale yours but i don't.. |
| 12:29.28 | Kolth | What's your scale at, Karl? |
| 12:29.31 | AnduinLothar | .8 |
| 12:29.54 | AnduinLothar | lemme try fulls creen |
| 12:30.01 | Kolth | Karl: Fix works. |
| 12:30.28 | AnduinLothar | ya. that's what they have in the builtin one. but it breaks mine.. |
| 12:30.33 | Kolth | I can't get the Dropdown to render offscreen. |
| 12:31.07 | AnduinLothar | wonder if i have a hook somewhere modifying GetCursorPosition |
| 12:31.25 | Kolth | Maybe I do. |
| 12:31.54 | Kolth | 141 folders in my \AddOns dir. |
| 12:32.01 | AnduinLothar | or maybe it's a mac thing... that'd be a nifty bug to report.. |
| 12:32.05 | AnduinLothar | grep ftw |
| 12:32.07 | Cairenn|sleep | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6306920&tmp=1#post6306920 |
| 12:32.08 | Cairenn|sleep | aaand ... test servers will be coming *back* up for a while this week: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6309117&tmp=1#post6309117 |
| 12:32.58 | Kolth | spiff. |
| 12:32.58 | AnduinLothar | grep -r GetCursorPosition * |
| 12:33.02 | AnduinLothar | your addon folder |
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| 12:33.14 | AnduinLothar | im not seeing any hooks |
| 12:33.15 | Kolth | I don't have grep on this machine. |
| 12:33.38 | Kalroth | ShciTE? :p |
| 12:33.47 | Kolth | No you didn't |
| 12:33.53 | Kalroth | :( |
| 12:34.19 | Kolth | Only references from TellTrack, Karl |
| 12:34.22 | AnduinLothar | so. someone wanna verify before i try w/o addons? |
| 12:35.06 | AnduinLothar | i got about a dozen addons that use it, but none that define it |
| 12:36.38 | AnduinLothar | kolth do me a favor and try it w/o addons |
| 12:36.57 | Kolth | kay |
| 12:38.16 | Kolth | Servers down in 22m! :) |
| 12:38.55 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.41 | Kolth | w/ ChatBar's right end at the right-edge of my screen... |
| 12:40.00 | AnduinLothar | or just ur mouse |
| 12:40.04 | Kolth | erm, syntax error with your fancy thingy |
| 12:40.07 | AnduinLothar | since u have no addons :P |
| 12:40.12 | AnduinLothar | ya, i noticed |
| 12:40.22 | Kolth | Oh, I loaded ChatBar. |
| 12:40.29 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 12:40.33 | Kolth | :) |
| 12:41.10 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.45 | AnduinLothar | yup... must be an addon |
| 12:41.45 | AnduinLothar | of mine |
| 12:41.45 | AnduinLothar | cause i'm getting unscaled now |
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| 12:42.07 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 12:42.15 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 12:42.25 | Kolth | So stop testing? |
| 12:42.34 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.56 | Kolth | Any specific locations on my screen you want numbers from? |
| 12:42.56 | AnduinLothar | ok, those are correct.. |
| 12:43.01 | AnduinLothar | far right |
| 12:43.30 | Kolth | Far-right -> 956.9999996699486 959.999998534441 |
| 12:43.48 | AnduinLothar | that's right then... wonder if it's set point.. |
| 12:44.24 | AnduinLothar | i dont understand :( |
| 12:45.31 | id` | why not set it at 1000 :P |
| 12:46.05 | AnduinLothar | ~stab id` |
| 12:46.07 | purl | ACTION runs at id` with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 12:47.59 | AnduinLothar | well... servers going down... think i need some sleep |
| 12:51.00 | AnduinLothar | night guys |
| 12:51.40 | Cairenn|sleep | night Anduin|SawingLog |
| 12:52.16 | Cairenn|sleep | and since it's now confirmed for sure for sure .... I'm going back to bed, see folks in a few hours |
| 12:53.13 | Kolth | Cyas Cairenn. |
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| 12:54.20 | *** topic/#WoWI-lounge by Cairenn|sleep -> 1.9 is **NOT** going live this week. This channel is for dev discussion only. Be respectful. No spamming the bot, and no bothering Slouken about work. Get along. Have fun. |
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| 13:26.27 | id` | i really think Cairenn|sleep needs more sleep. and a regular day/night pattern |
| 13:27.41 | Kalroth | Cair, is 1.9 going live this week?!?! |
| 13:28.19 | Kalroth | oh, she's afk :( |
| 13:50.24 | norgs|homepc | id`: The phrase you want is "diurnal cycle" (meaning active at daytime and asleep at night) |
| 13:51.12 | id` | norgs|homepc: thanks, *writes it down* |
| 13:51.16 | norgs|homepc | speaking of diurnal cycles, i'm about to observe mine. goodnite all :) |
| 13:52.22 | id` | nn |
| 13:53.59 | norgs|homepc | purl diurnal cycle is a sleep pattern where the subject is awake during the day and asleep at night |
| 13:54.03 | purl | okay, norgs|homepc |
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| 13:54.17 | id` | neat word :) |
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| 14:20.26 | Beladona | anyone had any luck getting wow to run reliably on linux? |
| 14:21.11 | Kalroth | I haven't tried myself, but the last thing I read was that using a modified Wine version it'd run ok |
| 14:21.15 | Kalroth | but never reliably |
| 14:21.27 | Beladona | I heard that qemu runs it, but I was wondering if anyone had tried |
| 14:21.57 | Kalroth | qemu? that has to be damn slow |
| 14:22.06 | Kalroth | ooh, nmk |
| 14:22.09 | Beladona | why do you say that |
| 14:22.11 | Kalroth | it does native x86 |
| 14:22.15 | Beladona | yeah |
| 14:22.35 | Beladona | the only downfall I see is that you are basically running windows |
| 14:22.40 | Beladona | within linux |
| 14:22.42 | End | a friend of mine was running wow under wine until recently |
| 14:22.44 | Kalroth | yeah, it's a virtual pc |
| 14:23.07 | Beladona | although I can see reasons to have it around in case I needed to do something for work involving a windows app |
| 14:23.09 | End | unfortunately, he mysteriously stopped being able to click on things in the 3d enviroment... |
| 14:23.17 | End | so he installed windows :O |
| 14:23.24 | Beladona | trying to stop using my laptop dual boot so I can go linux native |
| 14:23.57 | Kalroth | what's the name of the commercial wine cersion? |
| 14:23.59 | Kalroth | version, rather |
| 14:24.30 | End | you mean cedega (which used to be called winex)? |
| 14:24.36 | Kalroth | ah yes, cedega |
| 14:24.52 | Kalroth | they claim being sexy with wow |
| 14:25.49 | Beladona | yeah cedega |
| 14:26.00 | Beladona | problem with cedega is, every wow patch requires a cedega fix |
| 14:26.11 | Kalroth | http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3518 |
| 14:26.15 | Kalroth | "This game is officially supported by TransGaming" |
| 14:27.33 | Beladona | brb, switching systems |
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| 14:30.00 | Beladona | there is supposed to be a wine patch that allows you to click |
| 14:30.05 | Kalroth | yup |
| 14:33.08 | Kalroth | Beladona: http://comptune.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=64 |
| 14:39.54 | Elkano | oh, good morning Beladona |
| 14:41.31 | Beladona | tempted to just get cedega |
| 14:41.41 | Beladona | can always cancel it if it doesn't work |
| 14:44.21 | Beladona | interesting, I found a hack for vmware player -- might take a crack at making it play wow |
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| 15:12.25 | Kalroth | Beladona: a hack for wmware player? |
| 15:13.41 | Beladona | vmware |
| 15:13.47 | Beladona | http://linux.wolphination.com/?p=18 |
| 15:13.59 | Beladona | allows you to run any os on it, just like the full version of vmware |
| 15:14.53 | Kalroth | err yeah, vmware, my bad :p |
| 15:19.24 | Kalroth | hrm, I don't know how well (if at all) DirextX/OpenGL applications will run in vmware |
| 15:20.33 | Beladona | probably not at all without hacks |
| 15:20.40 | id` | opengl? nah |
| 15:20.58 | id` | id try cedega |
| 15:21.05 | id` | theres warez for it if you care |
| 15:21.06 | id` | :P |
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| 15:29.00 | Beladona | back shortly |
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| 16:54.58 | Cide | hmm |
| 16:55.15 | Cide | anyone noticed bugs with the dropdown menu code, where it goes offscreen even though it's not supposed to? (blizzard's code) |
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| 17:03.55 | Beladona | default dropdowns or custom ones? |
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| 17:10.36 | Cide | what do you mean with "custom" ones? |
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| 17:32.07 | Bela|AFK | sorry went to eat lunch. I mean is the menu that is going off screen one that you created, or a default ui menu? |
| 17:33.35 | id` | Don;t you think its fun that when for example a part of your skin gets damaged, an area below it will become a bit harder? |
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| 17:35.36 | id` | ! |
| 17:35.47 | id` | Osagasu: hi2u! |
| 17:35.50 | id` | :] |
| 17:35.56 | Osagasu | O.o |
| 17:37.05 | Osagasu | Do I... know you? |
| 17:37.54 | id` | pshh |
| 17:38.04 | id` | you welcome someone warmly and what do you get? |
| 17:38.51 | Beladona | have you ever had someone talk to you as if they know you. And you feel like you should know them but you don't. So you try to remember, or get them to tell you who they are? |
| 17:39.22 | Beladona | I am sure Osagasu was just trying to figure out who you were |
| 17:41.34 | id` | im just kidding, man :-) |
| 17:41.42 | id` | I'm Industrial. |
| 17:41.48 | id` | Industrial is going to eat fat borgers now |
| 17:41.54 | id` | burgers, even |
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| 17:45.04 | Cide | Beladona: one I created |
| 17:51.54 | Kiliek | cide |
| 17:51.57 | Kiliek | ursxy |
| 17:52.06 | Cide | go away lamer |
| 17:52.12 | Kiliek | ohwhutf |
| 17:52.27 | Cide | you are not in #priests! |
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| 17:57.13 | Beladona | Cide: I thought there was a command you had to run on your menu to make it use the off-screen code |
| 17:57.21 | Beladona | lemme see if I can find it |
| 18:02.38 | Cide | I'll see if I can find anything as well |
| 18:04.33 | Cide | looks like I have to specify a level >1 |
| 18:05.36 | Cairenn|sleep | Cide - talk to AnduinLothar when he gets back in, he just went through this yesterday with a dropdown he was creating |
| 18:06.18 | Cide | hehe, okay, will |
| 18:06.30 | Elkano | only 5h sleep? poor Cairenn :( |
| 18:06.38 | Cairenn | meh |
| 18:07.14 | Cide | I'm so glad 1.9 isn't out today, hehe |
| 18:07.32 | Elkano | I'm not :( |
| 18:07.36 | Cairenn | me too, meant I got to go back to bed |
| 18:07.42 | Codayus | I want per-character macros! |
| 18:08.06 | Cide | I want the patch, just not today |
| 18:08.07 | Codayus | But yeah, even so, I'm glad 1.9 isn't out today. |
| 18:08.12 | Elkano | btw: you know wether there is a chance that private channels will support item links? |
| 18:08.32 | Codayus | I wouldn't have minded 1.8.5, with added per character macros though. :-) |
| 18:09.10 | Elkano | well, 1.9 released today would have screwed Xmas for many families with all people trying to open the new instance ;) |
| 18:11.16 | Codayus | Heh |
| 18:11.58 | Osagasu | true that. |
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| 18:15.31 | elema | which xml command allows me to align a fontstring? |
| 18:16.04 | Cairenn | oh my |
| 18:16.11 | Cairenn | http://www.gucomics.com/ |
| 18:16.23 | Cairenn | Pokemon causes cancer |
| 18:16.33 | Cide | elema: justifyH="center/left/right" |
| 18:17.00 | elema | ahh thanks, though, that could it be |
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| 18:19.01 | Cide | note that it only works if you have either several lines of text, or have a size specified |
| 18:19.10 | Elkano | well, at least it is proven that Pokemon can cause an epileptical incedent (or what you call it in English) |
| 18:20.06 | Cairenn | you have the right term elkano :) |
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| 18:20.26 | Elkano | \o/ /cheer |
| 18:20.47 | Cairenn | but clicking on the comic itself leads you to Woody's explanation behind it, and it is amusing to say the least :) |
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| 18:32.48 | Cairenn | okay, my cats are informing me that if I don't go out and get catfood, they are going to lynch me |
| 18:32.50 | Cairenn | later all |
| 18:37.29 | Elkano | "WoWI admin went missing... police man: '"We've only found some hairs and a couple of cats...'" ;) |
| 18:40.16 | Cairenn|afk | Elkano: lol |
| 18:42.23 | Ktron | purl, remind ktron is Guillotine and Kremonte are ridiculuous people for making Panda. |
| 18:42.27 | purl | Ktron: okay |
| 18:42.35 | Ktron | lol |
| 18:51.22 | lon | I wonder how they're going to make the level cap increase w/o upsetting people. |
| 18:52.17 | lon | e.g. many of the purple and blue items have item levels between level 60 and 70, but take many hours to get. |
| 18:52.47 | lon | a piece of green gear that requires level 70 is probably better than a piece of blue gear that requires 60, and takes far less time to acquire... |
| 18:53.16 | MoonWolf | lon, speculation. |
| 18:54.20 | krka | if people spent 1000 hours of grinding instances for gear that becomes obsolete, that has been their decision. if they get upset, that would mean that they treated the instances as a chore instead of fun |
| 18:54.41 | krka | they should be glad they get new stuff to do instead of the same old stuff |
| 18:55.00 | Tain | It's the carrot. |
| 18:55.10 | lon | krka: true. |
| 18:55.21 | Tain | In order to get the newest stuff you're going to have top gear to do that content. |
| 18:55.31 | Tain | So you get top gear in order to do content to get new top gear |
| 18:55.34 | krka | personally, I would never spend the endgame grinding for stuff, since I wouldn't consider that fun |
| 18:55.49 | Tain | Which you're going to need to get the newer top gear in the next content. |
| 18:55.56 | krka | you could first level to 70 and then start getting top gear |
| 18:56.00 | Tain | Self-perpetuating mobius strip. |
| 18:56.04 | krka | being 70 instead of 60 would make that a lot easier |
| 18:56.52 | Tain | If you're in or with a guild that will let you participate in level 70 content while having subpar (by comparison at that point) gear. |
| 18:56.57 | lon | I doubt you'll need to get the 60-end game gear to get level 70 end-game gear |
| 18:57.19 | Tain | History from other games teaches otherwise, lon. But you're right, it could be different in WoW. |
| 18:57.20 | lon | because most of the 60 end-game gear is item-level 65-66ish, (except purples) |
| 18:57.36 | lon | Tain: indeed, I have no experience of that besides muds ;) |
| 18:57.44 | lon | Tain: so you are very likely correct. |
| 18:58.03 | lon | I'm just speculating based on item levels vs. quality colors... |
| 18:58.03 | krka | i mean that if you first level to 70, you could run through the level 60 instances rather easily, right? |
| 18:58.35 | Tain | At least WoW does provide an alternative in pvp gear, but you still have to spend ungodly amounts of time to get equivilent stuff. |
| 18:58.45 | lon | Color seems to be a relationship of required level (or quest level) vs. item level. |
| 18:59.09 | lon | Grand Marshal's set ;) |
| 18:59.30 | Tain | I suppose you could, krka. But would you want to go get gear that's 5-10 levels below you? |
| 18:59.52 | Tain | It makes it difficult to fight normally, I think. |
| 19:01.08 | Tain | But as always, I'm a cynical, jaded bastard from years of other games. :) |
| 19:02.32 | lon | It'll be interesting to see what happens. I feel for those people who will undoubtedly want to be both the first to 70 and the first to 70 with a new race... |
| 19:03.16 | Kiliek | i've spent months farming mc and bwl, and i have no qualms replacing all my gear for stuff from the next set of levels |
| 19:03.51 | lon | Tain: you were correct, then, it is the carrot... |
| 19:05.05 | lon | Kiliek: good stuff. |
| 19:09.03 | Kiliek | I mean, really if you farmed endlessly for gear |
| 19:09.04 | Kiliek | you have to use it |
| 19:09.13 | Kiliek | and really the main way to use it is to get replacements |
| 19:09.24 | Kiliek | and muck around in pvp and stuff if that's what ya like |
| 19:10.11 | Kiliek | mc/bwl are only such big gear up spots right now because that's all there is |
| 19:10.43 | Tain | You can get similar gear through top pvp rewards, Kiliek, but it takes as much, or more time. |
| 19:11.01 | Kiliek | oh yeah definitely |
| 19:11.06 | Kiliek | but in those cases it's the same idea |
| 19:11.18 | Tain | Yeah same idea. :) |
| 19:11.23 | Tain | Different scenery. |
| 19:11.37 | Kiliek | and with zg/mc/aq20 |
| 19:11.49 | Kiliek | guilds will be able to gear up much faster for bwl/aq40 than ever before |
| 19:12.04 | Kiliek | as well as established economies etc |
| 19:12.20 | Kiliek | existing tradeskillers, drops, and player driven markets |
| 19:13.05 | lon | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/11/28 |
| 19:13.57 | lon | ^^ their take on AQ40 ;) |
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| 19:19.52 | Tem | is it patch day? |
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| 19:22.55 | Cide | no |
| 19:23.12 | Tem | ha! |
| 19:23.16 | Tem | I totally called it! |
| 19:23.47 | Tem | My guild was all like "lets move our ony raid so we don't get hit by the patch... |
| 19:23.49 | Tem | " |
| 19:23.58 | Kiliek | yah |
| 19:24.02 | Tem | no one believed me that it wouldn't be patch day |
| 19:24.06 | Kiliek | i didn't really expect them to patch this week coz |
| 19:24.09 | Kiliek | it's a bitch for them to patch |
| 19:24.11 | Kiliek | and it's holiday |
| 19:24.16 | Tem | aya |
| 19:24.17 | Tem | aye( |
| 19:24.20 | Tem | a;sfasdlf |
| 19:24.25 | Tem | aye |
| 19:24.26 | Kiliek | ;) |
| 19:24.31 | Cide | uh oh |
| 19:24.35 | Cide | I just crashed wow |
| 19:24.38 | Cide | but I don't know how |
| 19:24.40 | Kiliek | but ya know whatever, honestly they should've hit the dec 13 date |
| 19:24.54 | Tem | Cide: I feel your pain |
| 19:24.59 | Tem | Cide: what were you doing? |
| 19:25.06 | Cide | anchoring elements to each other |
| 19:25.22 | Tem | oh |
| 19:25.24 | Cide | let me see if I can reproduce it |
| 19:25.34 | Tem | did it crash on logout? |
| 19:25.56 | Cide | no, crashed when I release the mouse button (it then calls the function to calculate what frame the object is over, and then anchors it to that farme) |
| 19:26.12 | Cide | haha, yep, again |
| 19:26.12 | Tem | hmm |
| 19:26.20 | Tain | That's dangerous. |
| 19:26.31 | Tain | Only because it's easy to grab WorldFrame by accident. |
| 19:26.35 | Cide | nah |
| 19:26.45 | Cide | it loops through the list of valid objects and uses MouseIsOver(obj) |
| 19:27.01 | Cide | and not GetMouseFocus() |
| 19:27.03 | Tain | Ok then. :) |
| 19:27.03 | Tem | is this on test or live? |
| 19:27.05 | Cide | live |
| 19:27.19 | Tem | you could be seeing something similar to what I did... |
| 19:27.49 | Tem | It might be anchoring frames in such a way that 2 depend on each other and the layout engine can't figure out how to render them |
| 19:28.13 | Cide | http://wow.pastebin.com/472062 |
| 19:28.14 | Tain | Yeah that crashes, I also sent that to Slouken a while back |
| 19:28.30 | Cide | I thought that was fixed |
| 19:28.39 | Cide | or was it only the anchoring to parent bug? |
| 19:28.52 | Tain | I knwo he said it was going to be, but I don't remember seeing it. |
| 19:28.54 | Tem | it was the parent bug that was fixed |
| 19:28.57 | Cide | ah |
| 19:29.03 | Tem | but it's fixed for 1.9 |
| 19:29.06 | Tem | not 1.8.4 |
| 19:29.09 | Cide | I think he said that it required a rewrite of a large chunk of code |
| 19:29.19 | Cide | if you read between the lines :P |
| 19:29.34 | Tem | that sounds right |
| 19:31.02 | Tem | when does CT_RAPlayerTargets_AttachMember get called? |
| 19:31.14 | Tem | and what are the arguments? |
| 19:31.18 | Tain | That's a good idea though, I was trying to think of a way to let users create custom "bar sets" of arbitrary size and shape and that could be a good way to do it. |
| 19:31.35 | Cide | yeah, trying to do something along those lines |
| 19:31.47 | Cide | creating a linked list pretty much |
| 19:32.02 | Tem | If you want GUI advice, send Gello a PM on WoWI |
| 19:32.17 | Tem | oh lol.. check out the topic |
| 19:32.32 | Tem | "1.9 is **NOT** going live this week. " |
| 19:32.51 | Tain | The other idea I had was creating a sort of smaller matrix of buttons that a user could click on and off, and it would create the bar based on that layout. |
| 19:32.51 | Cide | attachmember is called by AddNewTarget in the beginning, and by Start/StopMovingTarget, whicha re called when you start or stop dragging the object (under certain circumstances) and in AddNewTarget |
| 19:32.56 | Tem | Anyway, Gello has this knack for guis... |
| 19:33.19 | Cide | hehe |
| 19:33.29 | Cide | this is a pain to work with though, since I crash if I do a single mistake |
| 19:33.48 | Tem | oh yeah, Cide, once upon a time... CTRA had the option to chose which MTs to show |
| 19:33.51 | Tain | hehe yeah |
| 19:34.28 | Cide | you can choose from 1-10 in 1.5 |
| 19:34.53 | Tem | Yeah, but what if the onces you want to hide aren't at the bottom? |
| 19:34.58 | Tem | What if you only want to watch MT3 |
| 19:34.59 | Cide | then you lose :) |
| 19:35.03 | Tem | hehe |
| 19:35.04 | Tem | It |
| 19:35.15 | Cide | we really don't have enough control panel space right now, or I'd give more options |
| 19:35.15 | Tem | 's not a big deal anymore because of PT |
| 19:35.25 | Cide | that's what I'm reworking :) |
| 19:35.46 | Tem | For a "build bar" ability: |
| 19:35.50 | Tem | Place a starter button |
| 19:36.23 | Tem | then show 8 direction buttons on each side of the starter |
| 19:36.23 | Tem | (And corners) |
| 19:36.51 | Tem | the user can click on any of the direction buttons to add a bar element there |
| 19:37.03 | Tem | any of the bar elements are dragable |
| 19:37.16 | Cide | ya, that's a nice idea |
| 19:37.38 | Tem | and clicking on a bar element "selects" it for being the one with the direction options on it |
| 19:38.06 | Tem | might be a pain to implement |
| 19:38.27 | Cide | depends, if you make it modular it could be pretty easy |
| 19:38.37 | Cide | but you would probably end up crashing a bit before 1.9 hits |
| 19:39.03 | Tem | I have some shopping to do |
| 19:39.08 | Tem | but when I get back... |
| 19:39.16 | Tem | I'm going to play with something like that |
| 19:39.17 | Tain | One of the thing I was thinking though was (this is for Visor specifically really) creating a frame that had buttons 1-120 (miniature of course) and would be able to show you which ones you have already used just so you knew. |
| 19:40.28 | Cide | not a bad idea |
| 19:41.41 | Tain | It just has to be dynamically resizable though so people could create long bars, or tall bars, etc. |
| 19:43.46 | Cide | ya, would be a pain to click for every single button if you just want a straight line |
| 19:44.51 | Tain | Yeah that's true. |
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| 19:53.16 | Tem|Shopping | man! |
| 19:53.29 | Cide | no shopping for you |
| 19:53.41 | Tem|Shopping | yes! |
| 19:53.42 | Ktron | purl, remind ktron |
| 19:53.44 | purl | [remind ktron] Guillotine and Kremonte are ridiculuous people for making Panda. |
| 19:53.44 | Tem|Shopping | found em |
| 19:53.51 | Cide | sometimes I wish real life had undo :/ |
| 19:53.57 | Cide | it would be so great :P |
| 19:54.01 | Tem|Shopping | haha |
| 19:54.09 | Tem|Shopping | yeah I would undo sleeping through exams |
| 19:54.12 | Cide | or string.find |
| 19:54.20 | Tem|Shopping | hmmm |
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| 19:54.53 | Tem|Shopping | I'd go for a table.sort |
| 19:55.25 | Tem|Shopping | table.sort(TV,EvaluateChannel) |
| 19:55.51 | Tem|Shopping | anyway.. found my keys so I need to go get the last of my presents |
| 19:56.33 | Cide | table.sort(clothes) |
| 19:57.17 | Tain | I always wanted a real-life scrollback buffer |
| 19:57.34 | Tain | With timestamps. |
| 19:57.40 | Cide | a chatlog would be nice |
| 19:57.52 | Tain | "I never said that!" "Yes you did, at 10:43am see..." |
| 19:58.42 | Cide | or when somebody annoys you, ear:UnregisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_PEOPLE") |
| 19:59.27 | Tain | haha yes |
| 19:59.41 | Kiliek | wow cide is a dork |
| 19:59.47 | Tain | "/leave general" "/leave yell" |
| 19:59.49 | Cide | wow lame is a newb |
| 19:59.54 | Kiliek | shiet |
| 19:59.56 | Kiliek | ur mom |
| 19:59.56 | Cide | go back to DoG you newb! |
| 20:00.08 | Kiliek | w00f |
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| 20:11.38 | id` | ~emulate Industrial |
| 20:11.40 | purl | [emulate industrial] I suck at lua and rip other peoples code. |
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| 20:33.41 | Kremonte | yay for no 1.9 |
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| 20:47.07 | Osagasu | one of the servers I'm on |
| 20:47.18 | Osagasu | has been in netsplit since about 4 this morning |
| 20:47.19 | Kremonte | wb cair |
| 20:47.23 | Osagasu | its almost 4 in the afternoon |
| 20:47.45 | Osagasu | O.O |
| 20:47.52 | Kremonte | lol |
| 20:47.53 | Cairenn | I found a *wonderful* gift for my dad |
| 20:47.59 | Osagasu | Coming from Cair, that can't be--oh |
| 20:50.21 | Cairenn | The very first distillation from Glenora! |
| 20:51.03 | Cairenn | Air do dheag slainte! |
| 20:51.20 | Osagasu | isn't that whiskey? |
| 20:51.35 | Cairenn | Single malt, aka Scotch, yes |
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| 20:52.13 | Cairenn | This is the very first bottling from the distillery in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada |
| 20:52.22 | Cairenn | Got a bottle for my dad and one for hubby |
| 20:52.30 | Cairenn | We've been waiting for this! |
| 20:52.45 | Cairenn | It's only a 10-year old, but still ... |
| 20:55.17 | Kremonte | LOL, i found my 200 cd spindle...and it was right next to my gamecube |
| 20:56.00 | Ktron | that's one of my projects for winter break--- organizing my cd's/dvd's |
| 20:56.17 | Kremonte | Ktron - a week ago, or so, i couldn't find my CD's.. |
| 20:56.31 | Kremonte | bela asked me how i could lose 200, and i said "the same way i lost my gamecube" |
| 21:03.27 | Tain | Very nice, Cairenn! |
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| 21:04.59 | Cairenn | Thanks Tain. :) |
| 21:05.36 | Cairenn | every now and then I come up with the perfect gift idea :) |
| 21:06.06 | Beladona | ugh |
| 21:06.20 | Beladona | I should have known better than to try to reorganize my technet collection |
| 21:06.28 | Cairenn | that's never a good sound ... what's wrong Beladona? |
| 21:06.34 | Natasem | cair you see the dev chat log i posted? |
| 21:06.38 | Cairenn | ahhhhhh, yes, technet ... |
| 21:06.47 | Cairenn | Natasem: I could last night ... |
| 21:06.49 | Beladona | something like 100+ cds, in a specific order |
| 21:06.51 | Cairenn | haven't looked today |
| 21:06.54 | Beladona | so annoying |
| 21:06.59 | Cairenn | Beladona: I know, trust me, I know ... |
| 21:07.00 | Natasem | o you got in cool |
| 21:07.06 | Cairenn | yeah :) |
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| 21:07.44 | Beladona | so now it will sit on an empty area of my desk, looking all dishevelled, till I get the courage to go at it again |
| 21:07.50 | Beladona | haha |
| 21:08.22 | Cairenn | you know, we really don't mind you boys having your toys, but damnit all, we wish you'd clean up after yourselves once in a while |
| 21:08.48 | Cairenn | either that, or stop yelling at us when we do it for you "damnit, now I can't find anything, just don't touch my stuff" |
| 21:08.53 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:09.00 | Cairenn | men |
| 21:09.17 | Beladona | ? |
| 21:09.19 | krka | yes! |
| 21:09.24 | Beladona | nah this is at work |
| 21:09.28 | krka | i finally get to retaliate for cairs sexist-remark! |
| 21:09.36 | Cairenn | ah, well, np then, who cares ;) |
| 21:09.36 | Beladona | if someone comes in here and starts touching stuff, they get fired |
| 21:09.49 | Cairenn | krka: *chuckle* |
| 21:09.58 | krka | here it comes! *clears throat* |
| 21:10.03 | krka | Cair, can you get any more sexist? |
| 21:10.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:10.39 | Cairenn | o.m.g. .... 6 car pile up on the Queen's Way ... :( |
| 21:10.57 | Cairenn | not good |
| 21:11.17 | lon | Cairenn: I don't know what krka's talking about. You're correct. My loving wife does such things, and I can never find them. Although, I don't get upset. If I can't find it for a few years, I ask her where it is and throw it out :) |
| 21:11.34 | Cairenn | lon: ROFL |
| 21:11.46 | Cairenn | krka: hahaha |
| 21:12.19 | Cairenn | and yeah, I had that coming ;) |
| 21:13.46 | zespri | I have my mother-in-law visiting. she just puts all this stuff that lying around into tidy piles. it sutusfies her urge for tifiness and I still can find things because they are roughly at the same places |
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| 21:14.01 | Nat_Tsu|afk | does anyone remember Gatherbook? the gatherer(sp) addon, addon? |
| 21:14.13 | malreth | mwrar~~ |
| 21:14.21 | Cairenn | hi malreth :) |
| 21:14.33 | zespri | yeah, Norganna said that it was a bad idea as long as it alowed sharing this info between users |
| 21:14.36 | Cairenn | Nat_Tsu|afk: I remember it, I believe norgs took it down |
| 21:14.46 | Nat_Tsu|afk | dam |
| 21:14.49 | Cairenn | what zespri said ;) |
| 21:15.02 | krka | actually, my girlfriend is even less tidy than myself |
| 21:16.13 | krka | and I'm not even remotely tidy |
| 21:16.13 | malreth | krka: mine too! how do i fix that? |
| 21:16.13 | krka | fix? |
| 21:16.13 | krka | working as intended |
| 21:16.13 | malreth | bah |
| 21:16.13 | Cairenn | krka: if you could see my house right now (thank goodness you can't), you'd know I'm just teasing you guys |
| 21:16.13 | zespri | you are not supposed to say this about your gfs, lol |
| 21:16.13 | Natasem | i had it on my computer but lost it want to get it again so i can copy my old back up file to my new system |
| 21:16.13 | krka | it's fine, learn to play |
| 21:16.13 | Natasem | learn2play |
| 21:16.19 | malreth | gah, i'll cook dinner, we'll eat a nice sitdown dinner at the table, we'll finish, and she'll get up and walk away. |
| 21:16.31 | Cairenn | at the moment, I'd be ashamed to have anyone see this place ... |
| 21:16.33 | malreth | i'm like, "wanna help me put up the dishes? |
| 21:16.37 | malreth | and she's like, "why?" |
| 21:17.09 | Beladona | see now |
| 21:17.12 | Beladona | that would happen once |
| 21:17.15 | Beladona | maybe twice with me |
| 21:17.21 | Beladona | after that I would be cooking for one |
| 21:17.27 | krka | cair, typically female to be embarrassed about tidyness or lack thereof |
| 21:17.37 | Cairenn | oh, we have a deal in this house ... (s)he who cooks doesn't clean up |
| 21:17.49 | Cairenn | if he cooks, I clean, if I cook, he cleans |
| 21:17.53 | malreth | i'm embarassed whtn the place is messy. i'm not female. |
| 21:17.54 | krka | cooking is fun, cleaning is not |
| 21:17.56 | krka | how is that fair? :) |
| 21:18.14 | malreth | cleaning is quick, cooking takes time |
| 21:18.31 | krka | if by cleaning you mean tossing everything in the closet, then yes |
| 21:18.32 | Beladona | My wife does this, and it bugs me. When you cook something, or make a meal, and have a dirty dish, how hard is it to wash it right that second? |
| 21:18.42 | Cairenn | I don't mind untidy, "lived in" ... but right now, this place is just ... *shudder* |
| 21:18.46 | malreth | Beladona: agreed! |
| 21:18.49 | Beladona | instead we have this stuff that sits till dishes time |
| 21:18.56 | zespri | or just toss it into the damn dishwasher =) |
| 21:18.57 | Beladona | making it all the more painful for whoever does it |
| 21:19.20 | krka | i prefer doing large stacks of dishing at once instead of many small |
| 21:19.21 | Cairenn | Beladona: depends on what it is ... |
| 21:19.22 | Beladona | we have a dishwasher |
| 21:19.24 | Beladona | it is me |
| 21:19.27 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 21:19.35 | Tain | I do the same thing, Beladona |
| 21:19.44 | Tain | If I only used one thing I wash it when I'm done. |
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| 21:19.50 | krka | there is some overhead in doing dishes, seems more efficient to do it as seldom as possible with as much dish as possible |
| 21:19.55 | Beladona | or use a damn paper plate |
| 21:20.01 | Beladona | but she prefers china! |
| 21:20.05 | Beladona | .... |
| 21:20.06 | Tain | haha |
| 21:20.07 | krka | yay for environment unfriendly :) |
| 21:20.07 | Beladona | ok rant off |
| 21:20.18 | Cairenn | Beladona: if it's the casserole dish that you've just dished up from, it waits until after I've finished the meal, so that I can enjoy it while it's still hot |
| 21:20.26 | krka | silly to call it china, we call it porcelain :P |
| 21:20.29 | Beladona | well tahts different |
| 21:20.30 | Cairenn | I'm not about to dish up, then wash the dishes, then eat |
| 21:20.39 | malreth | all you just gotta do is run the plate under the hot water for just a second or two, and toss it into the dishwasher. it's easy. |
| 21:20.42 | Tain | No, not in that case Cairenn |
| 21:20.58 | Cairenn | or am I misunderstanding what you are saying? |
| 21:20.59 | Beladona | but making a meal, and leaving 2 plates, a glass, and some silverware in the sink just doesn't fly |
| 21:21.06 | Cairenn | oh, yeah, that's silly |
| 21:21.07 | Tain | When you just heated up leftovers for example, used a plate and a fork, and that's it. |
| 21:21.14 | malreth | when dishwasher fills up, turn the dial and flip the latch. done. |
| 21:21.15 | Cairenn | yeah, wash that when you're done |
| 21:21.24 | Beladona | I am all for eating first |
| 21:21.32 | Beladona | hot food doesn't stay hot and all that |
| 21:21.37 | Lawjoskar | man, I've stumbled into a seriously cutting edge discussion here. |
| 21:21.51 | Cairenn | Lawjoskar: lol |
| 21:21.54 | Tain | Speaking of which, I need a couple new knives. :( |
| 21:22.03 | Beladona | yeah we are working on an addon that does the dishes on event HONEYDO_DISHES |
| 21:22.03 | Cairenn | and to think, it started with discussion of technet CDs |
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| 21:22.36 | malreth | CDs? |
| 21:22.40 | krka | JIT dishing FTW |
| 21:23.07 | Cairenn | malreth: ? |
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| 21:23.24 | krka | CD: compact disc |
| 21:24.01 | Tain | CD: Certificate of Deposit |
| 21:24.06 | malreth | Cairenn: CAN U MAEK ME A MOD TAHT MAEKS TEH GOLDENEYE HELTHBARZ? |
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| 21:24.53 | malreth | any attention, good or bad, only reinforces such behavior. you know that. |
| 21:24.55 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.09 | malreth | now that's what I'm talkin'-- oh. |
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| 21:32.07 | id` | i unbound escape and i dont have the tiny button to get the menu back |
| 21:32.12 | id` | nore my keybindings |
| 21:32.15 | id` | um, help? :P |
| 21:32.35 | malreth | click on the menu button at the bottom of the screen |
| 21:32.41 | id` | ha ha |
| 21:32.43 | id` | funny guy |
| 21:32.51 | Cairenn | ..\wow\wtf\ ... ummm, sec, lemme find, but it's in wtf |
| 21:33.00 | Natasem | anyonehave a link to Telos Side Bar that works? mine keeps getting a NIL also does titan mod have his own web page? |
| 21:33.35 | Ktron|afk | off to holiday shop, good luck dev-ing and wow-ing everyone |
| 21:33.41 | Cairenn | id`: ..\wow\wtf\account\<Account Name>\gindings-cache.wtf |
| 21:33.56 | Cairenn | later Ktron|afk, good luck shopping :) |
| 21:34.09 | id` | theres only a layout camera and chat cache |
| 21:34.12 | Cairenn | bindings-cache.wtf :p |
| 21:34.16 | id` | but i just unbount it ingame, so :| |
| 21:34.21 | Cairenn | you went in one level too far |
| 21:34.28 | Cairenn | account name, not player name |
| 21:34.31 | Cairenn | go back up a level |
| 21:34.38 | Cairenn | bindings-cache.wtf |
| 21:34.43 | id` | ya ya ya |
| 21:34.49 | id` | but i just JUST unbound it |
| 21:34.52 | id` | hmm |
| 21:34.56 | id` | i could make my client crash |
| 21:35.01 | id` | so it doesnt save to the wtf |
| 21:35.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.15 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:35.32 | id` | :O |
| 21:35.35 | id` | wth? |
| 21:35.38 | Cairenn | but yeah, that'll make it save :p |
| 21:35.42 | id` | ! |
| 21:35.44 | id` | :| |
| 21:35.49 | Cairenn | and *why* did you do something so dumb? :p |
| 21:35.54 | id` | i just did it thinking my char would sit down or w/e |
| 21:36.08 | id` | CAMP! thats not to log out! /logout is |
| 21:36.23 | Cairenn | camp has always been to log out |
| 21:36.26 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:36.30 | Cairenn | was back in EQ, too |
| 21:36.54 | id` | camp is to sit like a noob in a corner waiting for people to come by (corner?) and headshot them |
| 21:36.58 | id` | thats to camP! |
| 21:37.00 | id` | :| |
| 21:37.05 | Cairenn | not in mmorpgs |
| 21:37.16 | Cairenn | well, yeah |
| 21:37.21 | Cairenn | okay, it's that too |
| 21:37.22 | Tain | Unless it's corpse camp |
| 21:37.26 | id` | see? |
| 21:37.31 | Cairenn | but when you go camping in rl, what do you do :p |
| 21:37.37 | id` | i sit |
| 21:37.38 | Cairenn | what does it mean to make camp |
| 21:37.40 | Cairenn | duh |
| 21:37.47 | Cairenn | pitch your tent, eat your meal, go to sleep |
| 21:37.51 | Cairenn | aka *log out* |
| 21:38.00 | id` | well call the thing /logout ! |
| 21:38.03 | id` | logic! |
| 21:38.12 | id` | i dont say, move up, when i jump |
| 21:38.14 | Cairenn | so you don't go camping, you go logoutting? |
| 21:38.14 | Beladona | it is a command that has been around for a while |
| 21:38.19 | Beladona | back befor eq |
| 21:38.23 | id` | no, i log out when i /logout |
| 21:38.41 | id` | i dont say, move up, when i jump |
| 21:39.05 | id` | bad example, jump moves you up on ladderst moset of the time in games.. |
| 21:39.07 | Cairenn | regardless, /camp means to exit the game and has for a while now, over more than one game :p |
| 21:39.10 | Beladona | those of us that have been around MMORPG's for a while know what camp is |
| 21:39.26 | Beladona | I still use it out of habit |
| 21:39.29 | id` | *cough* ive been around for a while |
| 21:39.32 | Cairenn | me too, Beladona |
| 21:39.36 | Beladona | then you should know what it is |
| 21:39.39 | Cairenn | id`: it's fine, learn2play |
| 21:39.44 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 21:40.06 | Cairenn | sorry, had to |
| 21:40.40 | Beladona | oh how many habits have we developed from eq that we still use in wow? |
| 21:40.52 | Cairenn | *many* |
| 21:40.55 | Beladona | my strafing, as you put it Cair |
| 21:40.57 | Beladona | is one |
| 21:41.13 | Cairenn | tells ... WoW calls them whispers, but everyone still calls them tells |
| 21:41.19 | Beladona | yeah |
| 21:41.21 | Beladona | PST |
| 21:41.24 | Beladona | not PSW |
| 21:41.25 | krka | I say priv |
| 21:41.26 | Beladona | hehe |
| 21:41.52 | Cairenn | fight the system, rebel against the man! down with PST! PSCP instead! |
| 21:42.11 | malreth | CDs? |
| 21:42.19 | Beladona | PSCP? |
| 21:42.26 | krka | TCPIP? |
| 21:42.32 | Cairenn | Please Send Carrier Pigeon, of course! |
| 21:42.41 | id` | pm |
| 21:42.43 | id` | :| |
| 21:42.44 | Beladona | ~slap Cairenn |
| 21:42.46 | purl | ACTION slaps Cairenn, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:43.01 | Beladona | ~comfort Cairenn |
| 21:43.03 | purl | There, there, Cairenn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:43.03 | krka | why not just call it cyber, since that's all its used for |
| 21:43.04 | id` | one thing i hate about wow |
| 21:43.09 | id` | that i lvoed about Anarchy ONline |
| 21:43.18 | id` | is not to get a screen for each private message |
| 21:43.26 | id` | in AO i could have a chat window per person |
| 21:43.35 | Beladona | you can in wow with an addon |
| 21:43.37 | id` | just by clicking on their name |
| 21:43.50 | id` | Beladona: the point is blizzard made the chat work sucky |
| 21:43.52 | Cairenn | .... yeah, what's that addon, darn ... *goes searching* |
| 21:43.57 | Beladona | I disagree |
| 21:44.03 | Beladona | I sure as hell dont want 20 windows popping up |
| 21:44.10 | id` | they dont pop up |
| 21:44.13 | id` | only if you want to |
| 21:44.18 | Beladona | they do when you click on them |
| 21:44.19 | id` | e.g. click the persons name |
| 21:44.33 | Beladona | I will stick to my own custom filtered chat window for whispers |
| 21:44.34 | id` | and you can minimize them to only a bar with the name of the person |
| 21:44.45 | id` | roll-up* |
| 21:44.54 | Beladona | the addon is called ForgottenChat afaik |
| 21:45.06 | Cairenn | that's one of them Bela, yeah |
| 21:46.17 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4403 |
| 21:46.22 | Cairenn | Forgotten Chat |
| 21:47.57 | Beladona | deja vu? |
| 21:47.59 | Beladona | hehe |
| 21:48.26 | Cairenn | I was giving the link :p |
| 21:48.38 | Natasem | lol this made me cry at first then laugh my arse off http://www.rogueware.net/~psy/movies/pic21430.jpg |
| 21:49.44 | malreth | bwah ha ha! |
| 21:50.05 | malreth | Eve Online also had multiple chat windows for private tells |
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| 21:50.13 | malreth | SWG, too |
| 21:50.26 | Cairenn | okay, time for "too much info" ... I think I'm gonna go throw up then lie down for a while ... back later |
| 21:53.23 | Natasem | so question: inteh nect patch decruseify (sp) is not going to work, how is that going to affect CT_Raid? |
| 21:53.38 | Natasem | sorry hand cramps from last night s dev chat |
| 21:53.43 | malreth | is it? |
| 21:53.55 | malreth | hadn't heard anything about decursive not working in 1.9 |
| 21:54.41 | Natasem | ya i heard it in the "hidden" part of the dev chat.. errrrr i mean a birdy told me |
| 21:55.06 | malreth | and even if it was being banned, it doesn't affect CTRaid. they're different addons |
| 21:55.28 | Beladona | I think you are going to be seeing more of the CT Raid features become default features in coming patches |
| 21:55.32 | Natasem | i know but there is a decursive kind of thing in the CT_Raid thing |
| 21:55.41 | malreth | although, it's possible that CTRaid will have to remove the decursive features or risk a ban as well |
| 21:56.41 | Natasem | YaY only 2 days left on my ban then i can go and ask in teh UI forums lol |
| 21:56.58 | malreth | i could see Blizzard adding the multiple target-of-target or target-of-raidmember stuff |
| 21:56.58 | Natasem | stupid anti santa banners |
| 21:57.01 | Beladona | back soon, going home |
| 21:57.02 | zespri | What where you banned for? |
| 21:57.09 | malreth | not the boss-strategy stuff, though |
| 21:57.38 | Natasem | fro my SANTA CLAUS: An Engineer's Perspective |
| 21:57.48 | Natasem | post |
| 21:58.05 | zespri | No idea what this post was about =( |
| 21:58.18 | Natasem | they said it was BANNED FROM THE FORUMS! You have been banned for the following reason: Negatively portray major religions or religious figures You will be unbanned on 12/22/2005 4:33:47 PM PST |
| 21:58.38 | Natasem | let me see if i can find it for you |
| 21:58.46 | zespri | i never realized santa claus was a religous figure |
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| 22:00.08 | Kiliek | reading this conversation made my eyes hurt. |
| 22:00.58 | Natasem | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-gilneas&t=97847 |
| 22:01.39 | zespri | so they banned you but didn't delete the offending post? |
| 22:02.00 | zespri | wierd |
| 22:02.24 | krka | didn't you know santa claus appears both in the bible and the quran? |
| 22:02.25 | Natasem | eh |
| 22:02.46 | zespri | he doesn't |
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| 22:03.08 | zespri | or was it someone from blizz who told you that? |
| 22:03.44 | krka | well, not right out, it's more alluded |
| 22:04.09 | zespri | then it doesn't count =) |
| 22:04.42 | malreth | work's boring. i'm going home. |
| 22:06.04 | Natasem | it was an e-mail i got |
| 22:15.47 | Depherios | http://web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859 |
| 22:16.46 | Depherios | That's just too funny |
| 22:17.08 | Depherios | well, no, but it is messed up |
| 22:18.01 | id` | ding 10 |
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| 22:22.50 | cladhaire | Evening. |
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| 22:40.54 | Natasem | eh |
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| 22:57.10 | norganna | Natasem: http://norganna.org/gatherbook.htm |
| 22:57.42 | Natasem | ooooo |
| 22:57.43 | Legorol | woot for no patch! |
| 22:57.44 | Natasem | thank you |
| 22:57.45 | Legorol | yayyay |
| 22:57.56 | Legorol | i will be able to work on 1.9 stuff over the holidays |
| 22:58.03 | norganna | Legorol: yeah |
| 22:58.37 | norganna | Natasem: That page is just not linked anywhere |
| 22:58.56 | Natasem | ok thank you, thank you , thank you |
| 22:59.00 | Natasem | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.46 | Legorol | norganna, gatherbook worked wonderfully |
| 23:00.05 | Legorol | i managed to merge 4 wildly different gatherer savedvar files in one go without a hitch |
| 23:00.12 | norganna | it was a nice little app (if i do say so myself :) ) |
| 23:00.25 | norganna | a pity people abused it. |
| 23:01.11 | Legorol | unfortunately that will always be the case |
| 23:01.17 | Legorol | to be honest, i'd release it to the public again |
| 23:01.35 | Legorol | at the moment you are following the blizz mentality of "if it does get abused, i stop providing it" |
| 23:01.46 | Legorol | and those people who really want to, can merge data anyway |
| 23:01.53 | Legorol | so it really is only making it hard for average joe |
| 23:02.16 | Legorol | that's just my 2p worth |
| 23:02.22 | Natasem | ooooo this chick is hot http://www.bengals.com/cheerleaders/cheerleader.asp?cheerleader_id=16 |
| 23:02.44 | Natasem | oops wrong room |
| 23:03.31 | Kolth | haha |
| 23:03.34 | Natasem | FUTURE GOAL(S): Finish school and start a family. |
| 23:03.44 | Natasem | HAHAHAHa /die |
| 23:06.04 | norganna | legorol, i kinda agree with that |
| 23:06.23 | norganna | but gatherbook gives them "ideas"... |
| 23:06.44 | norganna | they see that merge button and go: "hmmm...." |
| 23:07.00 | norganna | "you know what would be really great?" |
| 23:07.58 | norganna | up until then, they'd never even thought about the possibility, then all the sudden it's the greatest idea on the planet, and they came up with it. |
| 23:08.43 | norganna | they then do one of 2 things. |
| 23:08.58 | norganna | come and tell me about their great idea. |
| 23:09.24 | norganna | do a quick search of google, and find that their idea wasn't unique after all |
| 23:09.34 | krka | gatherbook? |
| 23:09.39 | krka | what does it do, and how is it abused? |
| 23:09.41 | norganna | krka: yup |
| 23:10.00 | norganna | it merges gatherer saved variables files |
| 23:10.15 | krka | locations of herbs and stuff? |
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| 23:10.21 | norganna | yup |
| 23:10.51 | krka | sorry for asking simple questions, but does it add them automatically when you gather? |
| 23:11.01 | norganna | yes |
| 23:11.07 | krka | and does it work for questgivers? |
| 23:11.12 | norganna | nope |
| 23:11.20 | krka | damn, that would have been nice |
| 23:11.22 | krka | i can never keep track |
| 23:11.30 | id` | so |
| 23:11.35 | id` | how does it get abused? |
| 23:11.45 | krka | _could_, I mean |
| 23:11.58 | id` | does/could .. |
| 23:12.06 | id` | oh nm |
| 23:12.31 | norganna | people do mass merging of heaps of data files ala http://gather.reet.org/ |
| 23:13.10 | id` | i dont see how thats abusive |
| 23:13.26 | krka | could gatherer work for finding general areas of skinning? |
| 23:13.27 | id` | its only a ram eater.. who cares about their ram |
| 23:13.44 | krka | dwarves care about their rams! |
| 23:13.59 | norganna | krka, it could but doesn't |
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| 23:14.27 | id` | norganna: so how is sharing your info abusive? |
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| 23:14.57 | norganna | id`: it circumvents game mechanics |
| 23:15.17 | id` | gatherer isnt original game mechanic either |
| 23:15.23 | krka | so does memory then |
| 23:15.48 | krka | and strategy guide books |
| 23:15.49 | id` | if it would be something to merge things for the default game experience |
| 23:15.50 | Natasem | it takes teh fun out of finding your node |
| 23:15.58 | id` | it would be not okay |
| 23:16.06 | id` | but um.. i dunno why this would be wrong |
| 23:16.11 | norganna | nodes are meant to be discovered. as far as I interpret the "rules", remembering them is ok, however "remembering" nodes you've never visited is not |
| 23:16.16 | id` | its just as shareable as game tactics and spec lines |
| 23:16.31 | krka | is "you" the char or the actual person? |
| 23:16.31 | Natasem | and then if you found a "hidden" node that no one else knows about they get a merge data then everyone knows about your node |
| 23:16.41 | id` | and? |
| 23:16.51 | id` | and everyone benefits |
| 23:16.53 | id` | go community! |
| 23:16.55 | id` | :| |
| 23:17.06 | Beladona | it is the same reason why some people are against quest walkthroughs. |
| 23:17.30 | Osagasu | <3 walkthroughs in SP games |
| 23:17.44 | Osagasu | </3 for MP games |
| 23:17.46 | Beladona | I tend to like a little discovery in my games |
| 23:17.48 | Natasem | i personaly never merged data from a repository(sp) i foun dall my nodes. my node list is almost a meg in size |
| 23:17.58 | id` | anyway, i dont use addons like this anyway :) |
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| 23:18.11 | id` | when i start up wow i have 20MB ram left |
| 23:18.13 | Osagasu | I seem to lose my node data once a month |
| 23:18.15 | krka | quests in WoW are kinda SP though |
| 23:18.20 | norganna | anyhow, work time again. |
| 23:18.25 | krka | i played WoW as a SP to level 49 |
| 23:18.28 | id` | im off to bed |
| 23:18.28 | id` | nn |
| 23:20.10 | Osagasu | If I'm not around when Forgotten Lords gets on next, give'm a big hug and a thank you for me |
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| 23:28.43 | Guillotine | anyone here good at regexp? |
| 23:29.15 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 23:29.16 | Beladona | just ask, I am sure someone can throw their hats in |
| 23:29.51 | Guillotine | ok. Is it possible to make an entire string included in a *. E.g. an optional "who is" in the phrase |
| 23:30.26 | Guillotine | for example: "([Ww][Hh][Oo]%s[Ii][Ss])*" if () did the same thing as in math |
| 23:30.38 | Guillotine | except that here it would just capture the who is |
| 23:32.12 | heffe | evening |
| 23:32.29 | Guillotine | evening. nobody has any idea? |
| 23:32.29 | heffe | does anyone happen to know of a good international webhost with safe mode off and free trafic? |
| 23:32.38 | Guillotine | no idea |
| 23:34.00 | AnduinLothar | looks right to me guil,whats wrong with it? |
| 23:34.34 | AnduinLothar | oh, but u dont need the paren |
| 23:34.51 | Guillotine | then it would just be the [Ss] that could be repeated any number of times |
| 23:34.57 | AnduinLothar | oh, i c what u mean. u want a repeted phrase |
| 23:35.00 | Guillotine | right |
| 23:35.49 | AnduinLothar | what do you want, the first incursion returned? the number or repititions? |
| 23:36.17 | Guillotine | just want it optional in a string |
| 23:36.21 | Guillotine | like it CAN be included, but doesnt have to be |
| 23:36.27 | Guillotine | and if it is included, it gets eaten up |
| 23:36.42 | AnduinLothar | then why do u need it repeted? |
| 23:36.55 | Guillotine | i dont |
| 23:37.01 | Guillotine | but * does that anyway |
| 23:37.21 | AnduinLothar | so you only want to remove one copy? |
| 23:37.29 | Guillotine | right |
| 23:37.40 | heffe | bwhahaah http://files.vgpro.com/file/5637/?server=2 |
| 23:38.24 | AnduinLothar | usually you search fr what you do want, not what you dont want |
| 23:38.58 | Tem | Where is this? http://files.vgpro.com/screenviewer.php?game=6390&img=3 |
| 23:39.12 | AnduinLothar | If you have to do it that way you can gsub for that string then append the result into the search string of another regex |
| 23:39.13 | Tem | it looks like IF, but there is no snow |
| 23:40.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine_ (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 23:40.22 | Guillotine_ | heres my reason if anybody cares: in Panda, the operating word is "is". the match is "^%s*(.-)%s*[Ii][Ss]%s*(.-)%s*$" |
| 23:40.49 | AnduinLothar | If you have to do it that way you can gsub for that string then append the result into the search string of another regex |
| 23:41.42 | AnduinLothar | however.. i would just use %w+ |
| 23:41.57 | AnduinLothar | or is it - ... |
| 23:42.04 | AnduinLothar | 0 or 1 |
| 23:44.41 | Guillotine | it would be - |
| 23:44.43 | Guillotine | but ya |
| 23:44.53 | Guillotine | problem is I want it to be captured |
| 23:45.08 | AnduinLothar | if always then just use %w |
| 23:46.52 | Guillotine | whats %w? |
| 23:46.57 | AnduinLothar | a word |
| 23:47.22 | Guillotine | but "what is" would not always be present. it may be sometimes, but not other times |
| 23:47.51 | AnduinLothar | that's two words. you said just 'is' which is it? |
| 23:48.57 | AnduinLothar | %w-%s-%w- |
| 23:49.18 | Guillotine | hmm... |
| 23:49.21 | Guillotine | thats not going to work |
| 23:49.25 | Guillotine | i think i may have an idea that does though |
| 23:49.26 | AnduinLothar | would capture two words sepperated by a space or one word or none |
| 23:49.40 | Guillotine | but what if those two words are "purple hippolos"? |
| 23:49.47 | Guillotine | then I don't want them ignored |
| 23:49.53 | AnduinLothar | would capture those too |
| 23:50.41 | AnduinLothar | you're not being specific enough about your test cases and asking for something that cant be done in the way you want to do it. basicly i cant help you unless i know all test cases |
| 23:51.48 | AnduinLothar | just trying to be helpful. if you found a way, then no worries |
| 23:56.54 | AnduinLothar | sorry if that sounded a bi hostile |
