| 00:00.04 | groll | www.amnesiaguild.com |
| 00:00.10 | Kremonte | there has been pictures of cair tho |
| 00:00.11 | krka | I'll do a traceroute instead |
| 00:00.11 | Kremonte | at blizzcon |
| 00:00.17 | Guillotine | maybe its not her |
| 00:00.26 | groll | ok krka |
| 00:00.26 | Kremonte | =-O |
| 00:00.27 | Guillotine | i bet HE hired someone to pretend to be HIM |
| 00:00.43 | krka | what do you need to know? |
| 00:00.48 | Guillotine | cuz therez no girlz on the intraweb |
| 00:01.02 | groll | how fast/slow it is kinda |
| 00:01.09 | krka | how fast the traceroute is? |
| 00:01.11 | groll | my darn ftp access to it is ultra slow |
| 00:01.24 | groll | so i need to check if there seem to be a slowdown somewhere |
| 00:01.31 | krka | oh |
| 00:01.53 | Guillotine | not much of a slowdown for me |
| 00:01.56 | krka | 16 so-4-0-0.mpr2.phx2.us.above.net (64.125.27.202) 167.331 ms 167.202 ms 164.532 ms |
| 00:01.56 | krka | 17 64.124.112.141.godaddy.com (64.124.112.141) 167.384 ms 166.628 ms 167.112 ms |
| 00:01.56 | krka | 1 |
| 00:02.10 | Guillotine | none of mine got above 50 ms |
| 00:02.18 | krka | hmm never mind that |
| 00:02.39 | groll | meh mina is like 180+ to 210 after like 5 hops |
| 00:04.10 | AnduinLothar | is there any event when you've been demoted or promoted or do I have to scan system chat? |
| 00:04.34 | Beladona | whatd I miss |
| 00:04.38 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 00:04.45 | groll | ah Beladona i need ya heh |
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| 00:04.51 | groll | since o trust you a tiny bit :P |
| 00:04.57 | Beladona | mmm |
| 00:05.01 | Beladona | whats up |
| 00:05.06 | groll | my ftp is sloooooow |
| 00:05.10 | groll | to godaddy |
| 00:06.26 | AnduinLothar | there's no event for being kicked or leaving a guild either, is there.. |
| 00:06.42 | Beladona | where are you located? |
| 00:06.50 | Guillotine | no. you just have to hook system messages AnduinLothar |
| 00:06.52 | groll | me in sweden but server in us |
| 00:06.59 | Beladona | might be part of it |
| 00:07.11 | groll | well it shouldnt cap at 70k/sec just cause of that |
| 00:07.21 | Beladona | unless they cap it |
| 00:07.26 | Beladona | did you ask them about it? |
| 00:07.30 | groll | what usually take me 20 minutes took over an hour last night |
| 00:07.42 | groll | and yep they havent capped it or rather they said it should go faster |
| 00:07.59 | Beladona | have access to any other ftp sites? |
| 00:08.01 | groll | gonna try something else first |
| 00:08.07 | groll | nope not really |
| 00:08.12 | groll | not in the us atleaat |
| 00:08.14 | groll | atleast |
| 00:08.16 | Beladona | hmm |
| 00:08.25 | Beladona | using a firewall? |
| 00:08.44 | groll | yep but hsouldnt be a problem, goes fast to other ftp's with the same settings |
| 00:08.51 | groll | gonna try another ftp prog though |
| 00:08.57 | Beladona | k |
| 00:08.57 | groll | know of a good one?` |
| 00:09.04 | Guillotine | Beladona, i have a question. cair said she had never seen one, but other admins at WoWI might have. just out of curiosity, has anyone tried to submit a hacking program (e.g. teleport hack) or a program with a trojan/virus in it? |
| 00:09.06 | Beladona | was gonna ask if you had it set to PSV mode |
| 00:09.10 | Beladona | PASV rather |
| 00:09.25 | groll | hmm dont think it should be passive |
| 00:09.30 | groll | but i'll check to make sure |
| 00:09.37 | Beladona | Guill, I haven't seen any, why has someone talked about trying it? |
| 00:23.15 | groll | meeeh!!! |
| 00:23.25 | groll | passive mode does up it a tiiiiny bit |
| 00:30.46 | Beladona | yeah passive mode is usually recommended when you are behind a firewall |
| 00:30.55 | Beladona | but not always required |
| 00:32.20 | groll | well the port should be open so shouldnt matter |
| 00:32.25 | groll | right? |
| 00:33.18 | AnduinLothar | whadya think? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=284631 |
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| 00:35.55 | AnduinLothar | wait a sec... what does PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE do? |
| 00:35.57 | Kolth | Hello, Beladona! |
| 00:36.29 | Kolth | Wiki doesn't have doc on that, Anduin. |
| 00:36.35 | groll | wb Beladona |
| 00:36.35 | AnduinLothar | ya, useles.. |
| 00:36.37 | groll | well the port should be open so shouldnt matter |
| 00:36.39 | groll | right? |
| 00:37.32 | Beladona | you should do some data gathering on it and update the wiki Anduin |
| 00:37.37 | Beladona | =P |
| 00:37.51 | End | what.... |
| 00:38.06 | End | I was sending the wrong variable to :SetText |
| 00:38.18 | Beladona | good job |
| 00:38.23 | AnduinLothar | oh... guess it already exists.. |
| 00:43.17 | krka | question: how does placement of stuff on actionbars work? |
| 00:43.31 | krka | is it client side only, or server side only, or a combo? |
| 00:44.00 | Kolth | Server stores locations, yes? |
| 00:44.07 | krka | can I expect to drag a spell to an actionbar, use IsActionInRange, et.c. instantly? |
| 00:44.29 | AnduinLothar | prolly not |
| 00:44.30 | krka | yeah, I know, but does the client actually wait for the server to approve it? |
| 00:44.41 | Kolth | Damn, that's thought-provoking! |
| 00:45.07 | krka | i want to drag a spell to an empty actionbutton, check useful stuff, and drag it away again |
| 00:45.25 | Beladona | that brings up a good point |
| 00:45.33 | Beladona | there is a tiny, but annoying bug with that |
| 00:45.41 | AnduinLothar | ya krka, i thought about makign a lib that did that |
| 00:45.41 | Beladona | not sure if it exists on test tho |
| 00:45.58 | AnduinLothar | but never got around to it |
| 00:46.04 | krka | what bug? |
| 00:46.15 | krka | my Wishlist addon would really improve if I could do that :/ |
| 00:46.36 | Beladona | macros are client side, but the server stores what you have in the slot. So for instance if I have one computer that I put a macro (say for development purposes) and then go to my other computer, it tried to stick the macro there too |
| 00:46.58 | Beladona | which causes the button to appear blank or empty, or if you have a macro occupying that spot in your macro list, it uses it |
| 00:47.07 | krka | ah, that one |
| 00:47.09 | Beladona | regardless if it is the same macro |
| 00:47.26 | Beladona | minor but still |
| 00:47.42 | AnduinLothar | the macro slot and bar slot are serverside, the actual macro is client side |
| 00:47.49 | Beladona | right |
| 00:47.51 | Beladona | like I said |
| 00:47.52 | krka | are we sure there's a limit to the number of usable slots? |
| 00:47.58 | krka | couldn't I try to put something in slot 1000? |
| 00:48.02 | Beladona | macro slots? |
| 00:48.06 | AnduinLothar | fails |
| 00:48.06 | krka | actionbutton slots |
| 00:48.15 | AnduinLothar | been tried many times |
| 00:48.17 | krka | :/ |
| 00:48.17 | Depherios | 120 |
| 00:48.21 | Beladona | it is fixed server side isn't it? |
| 00:48.25 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 00:48.27 | Depherios | oh, macros |
| 00:48.39 | Depherios | limited in 1.9... not now though... right? |
| 00:48.40 | AnduinLothar | nope, macro slots are fixed too |
| 00:48.42 | Beladona | they are fixing macro slot limits too |
| 00:48.47 | Beladona | although they are giving us more |
| 00:50.02 | krka | how does this look to you btw? is it intuitive enough: http://wow.pastebin.com/477165 |
| 00:51.10 | AnduinLothar | mmm, huh? |
| 00:51.15 | krka | guess not :) |
| 00:51.35 | AnduinLothar | oh |
| 00:51.44 | AnduinLothar | macroing via text |
| 00:51.50 | AnduinLothar | passed through a fucntion |
| 00:51.56 | krka | well, sorta |
| 00:52.06 | AnduinLothar | just use ' instead of \" |
| 00:52.06 | krka | i do use the RunScript function |
| 00:52.27 | krka | more of an evaluation than a macro really |
| 00:52.37 | krka | ah, didn't that |
| 00:52.39 | krka | +know |
| 00:52.44 | krka | thanks |
| 00:52.47 | krka | that would look a bit prettier |
| 00:52.48 | AnduinLothar | or jsut make it pass a function |
| 00:52.55 | AnduinLothar | would be ideal |
| 00:53.30 | krka | that would work too, but this seems easier for an end user |
| 00:53.41 | krka | kinda like how flexbar does it |
| 00:54.08 | AnduinLothar | buffList:addWish(function() return not hasbuff('player', 'Frost Armor') end, "Frost Armor") |
| 00:54.31 | krka | hmm... good point |
| 00:54.35 | krka | wouldn't even need ' then |
| 00:54.46 | krka | also probably much faster |
| 00:54.48 | AnduinLothar | no parsing either |
| 00:54.51 | krka | yeah |
| 00:55.02 | AnduinLothar | and you can reuse funcs |
| 00:55.41 | krka | i could probably make it work both ways |
| 00:55.50 | krka | take either a function or a strinng |
| 00:56.09 | krka | if I get a string, i create a function by "function() return " .. s .. " end" |
| 00:56.56 | krka | what do you mean with reuse? |
| 00:58.30 | Kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/wowimg/winter_raid.jpg |
| 00:58.40 | Kremonte | er |
| 00:58.43 | Kremonte | http://www.dan-rouse.com/wowimg/winter_raiding.jpg |
| 00:59.30 | Depherios | lol |
| 00:59.40 | Kremonte | note the snowman. |
| 00:59.47 | Depherios | yes, lol |
| 01:00.11 | Kremonte | a hunter got pegged into the imp packs on the left |
| 01:00.20 | Kremonte | he aggroed them and FD'ed onto us :Q |
| 01:00.23 | krka | heh |
| 01:01.16 | Tain | Such decisions. To play WoW, to play CoV, or to code. |
| 01:01.16 | krka | can someone verify this btw: |
| 01:01.26 | krka | Mages, Hunters, Warlocks, Paladins, Shamans have this in their spell tooltip: "123 Mana" |
| 01:01.28 | Kremonte | hehe, 3104 crit^^ |
| 01:01.34 | krka | Rogues have "123 Energy" |
| 01:01.40 | krka | Warriors have "123 Rage" |
| 01:01.44 | Kremonte | yup |
| 01:01.51 | krka | Pets have "123 Focus" |
| 01:01.58 | Kremonte | the generic tooltip is |
| 01:02.02 | krka | i mean exactly like that, since I need to parse it |
| 01:02.05 | Kremonte | Spell Rank # |
| 01:02.18 | Kremonte | ### Manatype ## yd range |
| 01:02.29 | Kremonte | Cast Time Cooldown |
| 01:02.35 | Kremonte | Description |
| 01:03.06 | krka | yeah |
| 01:03.24 | krka | (my addon needs to first check that it has enough mana to cast) |
| 01:04.11 | krka | have to remember to special treat pet too... different book though so it should be easy |
| 01:07.15 | Kremonte | interesting drops off mag |
| 01:07.23 | Kremonte | only 1 legging drop o.O |
| 01:10.55 | Tain | First Police Academy is on. I think I'll watch it! |
| 01:13.10 | pagefault | what channel |
| 01:14.57 | Tain | HBOC |
| 01:15.12 | pagefault | ah |
| 01:15.16 | pagefault | don't get that one :) |
| 01:15.25 | Tain | heheh |
| 01:16.23 | Tain | Well the first rum&coke solved that question. |
| 01:16.26 | Tain | Don't drink and code. |
| 01:17.00 | Kremonte | no tain |
| 01:17.04 | Kremonte | http://www.dan-rouse.com/wowimg/winter_raiding.jpg |
| 01:17.07 | Kremonte | dont raid and snowball |
| 01:17.45 | pagefault | well be happy it doesn't aggro :) |
| 01:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That's good |
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| 01:39.01 | Kremonte | Being Politcally Correct: |
| 01:39.12 | Kremonte | Wiping to Lava Spawns because everyone was snowballing = |
| 01:39.21 | Kremonte | A lesson in Exponential Growth |
| 01:43.07 | Kremonte | Succeeding to kill a Firelord but wiping = A costly success |
| 01:44.55 | Parak | hehe |
| 01:47.10 | Kremonte | Half the raid getting knocked back into lava = An unsuccessful hop |
| 01:53.38 | AlexanderYoshi | Political correctness is bullshit at its fines |
| 01:53.56 | AlexanderYoshi | Guilt trip ppl for saying a turd is a turd. |
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| 01:58.31 | Cide | is it just me, or are the statusring mods turning into SCT? |
| 01:58.45 | Cairenn | yup |
| 01:58.54 | Depherios | lol yup |
| 01:59.39 | Cide | hi, can sum1 plz tel me were 2 find this rly kewl mod with rings round your chr? plz |
| 01:59.45 | Kolth | hah |
| 01:59.52 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:01.09 | Kolth | Cide, ever seen the CTRaid positions get all messed up? Say I have all 8 groups positioned in a row, 1->8. I log in some times and all my raid windows are in one group, w/o names/health/mana in a vertical list. |
| 02:01.28 | Kremonte | that happens to me all the time ;_; |
| 02:01.44 | Cide | yeah, but I have no idea why still.. you can fix it by going into additional options, it updates the list :P |
| 02:02.17 | Kolth | I just uncheck/check "Check All Groups" |
| 02:02.38 | Kolth | I was just thinking, maybe, CTRaid could wait until 10 seconds after loading the game world to render them or something. |
| 02:02.51 | Kolth | I get the issue most often when I log into a very laggy area. |
| 02:02.54 | Kolth | (Molten Core) |
| 02:03.20 | Cide | ya, it obviously only happens in raids :P |
| 02:03.39 | Kremonte | grrr |
| 02:03.40 | Kolth | :) |
| 02:03.44 | Kremonte | i want a better computer |
| 02:03.44 | Kremonte | raids stink ;_; |
| 02:03.52 | Depherios | ditto :P |
| 02:04.10 | Kremonte | no, i mean seriously |
| 02:04.12 | Kremonte | whenever i raid |
| 02:04.15 | Kremonte | my hard drive grinds |
| 02:04.19 | Kremonte | and my computer smells! |
| 02:04.29 | Kolth | Have you defragmented lately? |
| 02:04.32 | Tain | And you look dress funny too! |
| 02:04.35 | Kremonte | a week ago |
| 02:05.26 | Cide | h |
| 02:05.35 | Cide | hmm, I need to add a sound to ctra for a guild only version again |
| 02:05.51 | Cide | we just had a suggestion to add "Another one bites the dust" when a mage dies |
| 02:05.58 | Cide | a sound, that is |
| 02:06.39 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:07.06 | pagefault | poor mages |
| 02:11.56 | Kremonte | Cide - how would you do that? |
| 02:12.02 | Cide | do what? |
| 02:12.18 | Kremonte | detect if it was a mage that ied |
| 02:12.40 | Kremonte | cache a list of who in the raid is a mage? |
| 02:12.45 | Cide | oh, just check the combat log like the ctra tank death notifications does, then loop through the raid until you find the person's ID and use UnitClass |
| 02:12.54 | Cide | don't really need some fancy way since it won't happen often |
| 02:13.09 | Kremonte | a 40x loop calling unitclass =o |
| 02:13.15 | Kremonte | jeez, wiping must be laggy :P |
| 02:13.31 | Cide | I doubt it's very heavy |
| 02:13.43 | Kremonte | yeah |
| 02:13.51 | Kremonte | i already get like 5fps on trash in mc tho ;_; |
| 02:14.02 | Cide | and .01 less when a mage dies? :) |
| 02:14.11 | Kremonte | well |
| 02:14.19 | Cide | I get like 25 in MC |
| 02:14.25 | Kremonte | we did an unscheduled MC today |
| 02:14.30 | Kremonte | i left a few mins ago, at gar |
| 02:14.33 | Kremonte | i had died 8 times |
| 02:14.40 | Kremonte | the next closest died 4 (a mage :Q) |
| 02:14.57 | Kremonte | so thats like .08 fps total! :o |
| 02:15.09 | Cide | over the course of what.. an hour? ;) |
| 02:15.32 | Kremonte | yes! ;_; |
| 02:15.39 | Kremonte | well an hour and a half or so |
| 02:15.47 | Kremonte | we wiped twice because people kept snowballing healers |
| 02:16.54 | Cide | haha, sounds like a strategy |
| 02:17.02 | Cide | we use /raitem Snowball |
| 02:17.20 | Kremonte | ./raitem snowball? |
| 02:17.22 | Kremonte | oh |
| 02:17.23 | Kremonte | rofl |
| 02:17.30 | Kremonte | wait , for what |
| 02:17.34 | Kremonte | to make sure people DONT? :^) |
| 02:17.49 | Cide | yes :) |
| 02:17.58 | Kremonte | what if they do? ^_~ |
| 02:18.03 | Cide | they get placed in group 8 |
| 02:18.08 | Kremonte | lmao |
| 02:18.12 | Kremonte | group 8= rejects? |
| 02:18.21 | Cide | retards more like |
| 02:18.25 | Kremonte | lol |
| 02:18.32 | Kremonte | i was in group 8 half the day |
| 02:18.40 | Cide | there you go ;) |
| 02:18.51 | Kremonte | but that was because i was the only one on the raid with demonic sac |
| 02:20.08 | Kolth | Cide, make /raready keep stats and mock the "Usually the longest responder" |
| 02:20.20 | Cide | haha |
| 02:21.24 | Kremonte | i'm having a gnome coca cola |
| 02:21.28 | Kremonte | 12 oz bottle |
| 02:21.33 | Kremonte | but it looks like the 1litre ones |
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| 02:24.36 | pagefault | I really love that paranoia buff |
| 02:24.38 | pagefault | seeing rogues is fun |
| 02:24.42 | Kremonte | meh |
| 02:24.44 | Kremonte | i hate paranoia |
| 02:24.56 | Kremonte | rogues bitch about it failing to realize.. ITS JUST LIKE A MOB |
| 02:25.07 | Kremonte | it gives you pretty much the same radius as an orange mob |
| 02:25.19 | Kremonte | and along with that..you cant see them behind you -.- |
| 02:25.40 | SP|Sorren | they should give flare a larger radius 8) |
| 02:25.45 | SP|Sorren | and make it visible |
| 02:25.59 | Kremonte | yeah then blizzard will add lvl 60 'undetectable stealth' |
| 02:26.29 | SP|Sorren | thats known as invisibility! warlock pets get it ;P |
| 02:26.31 | SP|Sorren | i hate it |
| 02:26.37 | SP|Sorren | i cant flare them out to like instagib the succubus :/ |
| 02:27.12 | SP|Sorren | and when you ask warlocks for detect invisibility they're all like "why?" |
| 02:27.12 | Kolth | Warlocks never find me! |
| 02:27.14 | SP|Sorren | :( |
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| 02:28.05 | Kremonte | SP|Sorren |
| 02:28.10 | Kremonte | Detect Invisibility |
| 02:28.15 | Kremonte | and that makes them CLEAR AS DAY |
| 02:28.27 | SP|Sorren | read up :P |
| 02:28.30 | pagefault | that doesn't work on rogues |
| 02:28.39 | SP|Sorren | i dont have trouble with rogues ;P |
| 02:28.47 | Kremonte | you do know hunters already own warlocks |
| 02:28.50 | Kremonte | right |
| 02:29.02 | SP|Sorren | you're clearly the wrong spec |
| 02:29.06 | SP|Sorren | if you don't own hunters ;P |
| 02:29.14 | Kremonte | spec = play style |
| 02:29.18 | Kremonte | if i own hunters i suckagainst warriors |
| 02:29.31 | SP|Sorren | nevar, there's a warlock in our guild who is >everyone 1v1 |
| 02:29.42 | SP|Sorren | not too great in group and probably not the best in pve :P |
| 02:29.42 | pagefault | I am good with anyone |
| 02:29.46 | Kremonte | so your guild stinks? L=^) |
| 02:29.50 | pagefault | druids give me the hardest time though |
| 02:29.54 | Kremonte | i own druids |
| 02:29.57 | SP|Sorren | no way, i dont think anyone can beat him 1v1 :/ |
| 02:30.00 | SP|Sorren | he just regens too fast |
| 02:30.00 | Kremonte | hunters (usually) eat me |
| 02:30.07 | Kremonte | SP|Sorren - then he's not using a succubus period |
| 02:30.07 | SP|Sorren | most warlocks are easy though |
| 02:30.10 | SP|Sorren | no |
| 02:30.17 | Kremonte | then he's not regenning? |
| 02:30.17 | SP|Sorren | hes sac'ing the felhunter |
| 02:30.22 | Kremonte | oh, that's mana |
| 02:30.26 | Kremonte | sac vw = hp |
| 02:30.32 | Kremonte | which is what i use when farming, for the most part |
| 02:30.33 | SP|Sorren | sac vw = shield i thought? |
| 02:30.40 | SP|Sorren | well hes using something that regens hp |
| 02:30.41 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 02:30.49 | SP|Sorren | and lots of it |
| 02:31.02 | SP|Sorren | he regens at like 151/hp a second |
| 02:31.10 | SP|Sorren | even more if he taps my pet with siphon life |
| 02:31.11 | Kremonte | SP|Sorren - there are 2 VW sacs |
| 02:31.15 | Kremonte | there is default VW sac and demonic sac |
| 02:31.19 | Kremonte | to sac felhunter you need demonic sac |
| 02:31.21 | SP|Sorren | shows what i know about warlocks ; |
| 02:31.22 | SP|Sorren | p |
| 02:31.46 | SP|Sorren | all i know is i aimed shot + multi shot + auto shot all crit last we dueled, and he had regened to half health by the end of the duel :/ |
| 02:31.56 | SP|Sorren | that bastard has like 7k unbuffed too |
| 02:32.01 | Kremonte | wtf |
| 02:32.04 | Kremonte | then he has ass for +dmg |
| 02:32.06 | Kremonte | or he's rank 14? |
| 02:32.15 | SP|Sorren | what does he need + damage for? no one can kill him |
| 02:32.24 | SP|Sorren | he guards flags |
| 02:32.25 | SP|Sorren | :p |
| 02:32.29 | Kremonte | then healers would DESTROY him |
| 02:32.33 | SP|Sorren | they dont |
| 02:32.36 | Kremonte | because they could effortlessly outheal his damage |
| 02:32.55 | Kremonte | i am at 5k unbuffed, with +264 damage right now |
| 02:33.01 | SP|Sorren | they can effortlessly outheal most damage |
| 02:33.18 | Kremonte | SP|Sorren - 3 tics of a renew would outheal one of his SBs |
| 02:33.18 | SP|Sorren | if i dont crit anything on the opener im up for a tough fight against any healing class ;P |
| 02:33.29 | SP|Sorren | and outheal an aimed shot, thanks :P |
| 02:33.30 | Kremonte | i'm fairly good against healing classes |
| 02:33.38 | Kremonte | 1 crit and i win, pretty much |
| 02:33.56 | Kremonte | otherwise its moderately even :P |
| 02:34.18 | Kremonte | BM hunters almost outright destroy me, because i can't fear their pet away |
| 02:34.24 | SP|Sorren | meh, i dont have trouble w/ most classes :) only teop mages, warriors, and like all out feral druids :/ |
| 02:34.27 | Kremonte | in that case then if they get 1 crit, i am probably dead L=^) |
| 02:34.28 | SP|Sorren | and that certain spec of warlock |
| 02:34.38 | Kremonte | well there are so many specs |
| 02:34.41 | Kremonte | its not just 30/21 etc |
| 02:34.53 | SP|Sorren | sure, there're a bunch of specs of hunter too :P |
| 02:35.00 | Kremonte | like i am 7/21/23, and i have never heard of another loc specced that |
| 02:35.13 | Kremonte | i don't know how he's regenning if he eats all that damage though |
| 02:35.23 | SP|Sorren | hell if i know |
| 02:35.26 | Kremonte | what i would THINK, is that he has soul link |
| 02:35.32 | Kremonte | but if he's saccing.. |
| 02:35.35 | SP|Sorren | he outheals my autoshot in a duel :/ |
| 02:35.44 | SP|Sorren | i dont have much trouble w/ soul link locs |
| 02:35.48 | Kremonte | because VW sac is a 4% regen/4 sec iirc |
| 02:35.53 | SP|Sorren | multishot the pet, scatter the lock, kill the pet fast :/ |
| 02:36.05 | Kremonte | yeah, unless they have a VW out pets are weak shit |
| 02:36.15 | Kremonte | my succubus has like 1.7k HP with felheart 5pc bonus |
| 02:36.35 | pagefault | thats it? |
| 02:36.41 | Kremonte | yar? |
| 02:36.45 | Kremonte | i have no fel stamina |
| 02:36.47 | pagefault | mine has 1812 |
| 02:36.53 | pagefault | ah |
| 02:36.56 | Kremonte | you will most likely never see me with my pet out =^) |
| 02:38.21 | Kremonte | so |
| 02:38.23 | Kremonte | conversate! |
| 02:38.42 | pagefault | too busy in AV |
| 02:38.47 | SP|Sorren | bah on curse gaming |
| 02:38.49 | Kremonte | av made me cry |
| 02:38.55 | SP|Sorren | the horde makes me cry |
| 02:38.56 | SP|Sorren | in av |
| 02:39.03 | SP|Sorren | they wont push :/ |
| 02:39.03 | Kremonte | SP|Sorren - i cried, then i laughed |
| 02:39.06 | SP|Sorren | all they do is run ;( |
| 02:39.08 | Kremonte | what?! |
| 02:39.12 | Kremonte | -.- |
| 02:39.14 | Kremonte | in the past month |
| 02:39.18 | Kremonte | alliance has won 2 AV's |
| 02:39.26 | SP|Sorren | alliance has won the two iv'e been in today |
| 02:39.28 | SP|Sorren | well |
| 02:39.31 | SP|Sorren | the second is still going |
| 02:39.33 | Kremonte | and both were led by people in my guild who are exalted |
| 02:39.41 | SP|Sorren | but i had killed everyone 4 times so i left :/ but they were stuck at fw |
| 02:40.12 | SP|Sorren | generally the alliance wins the day time avs i think |
| 02:40.22 | SP|Sorren | horde wins the late night avs |
| 02:41.26 | Cide | for us, it starts during the day, nobody wins |
| 02:41.56 | Cide | and then it becomes 4am and everyone logs off, but alliance has 75% of the total population so they can keep their side alive longer, so theyw in |
| 02:42.57 | SP|Sorren | ah |
| 02:43.07 | Kremonte | heh |
| 02:43.17 | SP|Sorren | my servers population is pretty balanced |
| 02:43.18 | Kremonte | the other day i was in AV |
| 02:43.25 | Kremonte | a few guildies told me we were winning |
| 02:43.29 | Kremonte | and sure enough, alliance were in FW |
| 02:43.38 | Kremonte | we keep pushing...eventually i log off, after 2 hours |
| 02:43.45 | Kremonte | six hours later i rejoin AV...and |
| 02:43.48 | Kremonte | alliance are still at FW |
| 02:44.44 | SP|Sorren | thats awesome. |
| 02:44.52 | Kremonte | no it's not |
| 02:44.56 | Kremonte | given an hour later we had lost |
| 02:45.07 | SP|Sorren | ouch |
| 02:45.29 | Kremonte | 90% of the time while "guarding" flags |
| 02:45.35 | Kremonte | it was a bunch of people trying to loot the corpses |
| 02:45.38 | Kremonte | over each other.. |
| 02:55.51 | Tain | haha I love Good Will Hunting |
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| 03:28.24 | Tain | It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. Every where yo ugo. |
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| 03:28.35 | Griddlebone | Yuck. |
| 03:28.39 | Depherios | no it BEGAN to look a lot like christmas in OCTOBER |
| 03:29.17 | Griddlebone | Now All Hallows Eve... THAT is still fun. :D |
| 03:30.15 | Tain | Bah Humbug. |
| 03:31.56 | Kremonte | Griddlebone - i am here =o |
| 03:32.09 | Kremonte | was sorta busy clearing trash in mc |
| 03:33.53 | Griddlebone | ^_^ |
| 03:34.47 | Griddlebone | Was wondering if you knew the name of the frame that a players buffs and debuffs were shown in. I thought it was "BuffFrame" but when I tried to move that nothing happened. |
| 03:37.31 | Griddlebone | Er... nevermind, I think it is "TemporaryEnchantFrame", because that moved them... now I wonder which one "BuffFrame" is. |
| 03:38.19 | Kremonte | hm |
| 03:38.22 | Kremonte | i thought buffs were BuffFrame |
| 03:38.30 | Kremonte | and debuffs/weapon enchants were TemporaryEnchantFrame |
| 03:39.14 | Cide | debuffs are BuffFrame too as far as I remember |
| 03:39.32 | Kremonte | o.O |
| 03:39.35 | Kremonte | wierd |
| 03:39.36 | Kremonte | damn buffs |
| 03:39.50 | Griddlebone | Just a moment while I fire up the game and test something. I just removed BuffFrame and am using TemporaryEnchantFrame only. |
| 03:42.52 | Griddlebone | Hmm... it appears to work just fine without BuffFrame. Weird. |
| 03:44.13 | Kremonte | lol Cide, you should add a private CTRA where promoted/leader can do a PlaySound to raid |
| 03:44.27 | Kremonte | that would be so great, in the middle of BWL just spam the murloc sound |
| 03:46.14 | Cide | sounds fun |
| 03:46.30 | Kremonte | i wanna make one but i dunno mc's code |
| 03:46.32 | Kremonte | er |
| 03:46.34 | Kremonte | ctra's |
| 03:48.14 | Cide | just to an if statement in CT_RA_ParseMessage that gets the sound and plays it, and then a CT_RA_AddMessage("yourMessageHere") wherever you want to call it |
| 03:48.22 | Cide | just add an if* |
| 03:49.33 | Kremonte | huh |
| 03:49.47 | Kremonte | wait, how do i do that as a slash command for leader/promoted only? |
| 03:53.26 | Cide | check for CT_RA_Level >= 1 |
| 03:54.39 | Griddlebone | I have no idea what the BuffFrame does... but poking at TemporaryEnchantFrame moves everything. Yet when I reload the UI, it resets that frame back to it's default position and ignores my OnLoad move. |
| 03:54.49 | Kremonte | ct_ra_addmessage() adds a slash command? |
| 03:55.10 | Cide | no, that sends a message to the channel |
| 03:55.21 | Cide | see CT_RA_SlashCommands for how to easily add a slash cmd |
| 03:55.37 | Cide | CT_RA_SlashCmds.lua I believe |
| 03:56.09 | Griddlebone | Slashcommands are easy. :) One of the first things I learned to do in the tutorials. |
| 03:58.02 | Cide | yes, but my function adds it to the list of slash commands ctra has as well :) |
| 04:10.56 | Tain | Damn the boards! |
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| 04:58.52 | Griddlebone | Hmm... anyone know how to set a texture to a button? GetActionTexture(slot) appears to get the texture path, but can we then use that to change the texture of another slot(button)? |
| 05:04.09 | Tain | There's different textures on a normal button. SetTexture() on ActionButtonNormalTexture, ActionButtonIcon |
| 05:07.05 | Griddlebone | Er... might you know of an example I could tear apart to learn from? |
| 05:10.21 | Kremonte | grrr, what's the equation used to calculate 1billion + of pi ;_; |
| 05:12.26 | Griddlebone | Isnt it 22 divided by 7? |
| 05:12.56 | Griddlebone | It is. |
| 05:13.30 | Kremonte | that's not exact |
| 05:13.44 | Kremonte | it's only accurate to 0.04025% |
| 05:14.09 | Griddlebone | Oh. :( |
| 05:14.12 | Kremonte | you can do a 764 digit number divided by a 763 digit number.. |
| 05:14.16 | Kremonte | but that gives you 1529 digits |
| 05:14.19 | Kremonte | not 6 billion D: |
| 05:14.59 | Kremonte | hm thats interesting |
| 05:15.10 | Kremonte | 837393900 / 266550757 works |
| 05:15.13 | Ktron | Kremonte: you want to calculate Pi out to as many digits as you want? |
| 05:15.18 | Kremonte | Ktron - yup |
| 05:15.37 | Ktron | I know how they do it, how much math have you taken? |
| 05:15.54 | Kremonte | a bit. i'm not quite into calculus yet |
| 05:16.02 | Kremonte | but i'm good into learning if it's remotely feasible :p |
| 05:16.14 | Ktron | lol |
| 05:16.15 | Ktron | hm... |
| 05:16.34 | Ktron | Well... here's a question-- do you know how calculators calculate Pi? |
| 05:16.36 | Ktron | *sin() |
| 05:16.41 | Ktron | or cos()? |
| 05:16.52 | Kremonte | grr. |
| 05:16.55 | Kremonte | i hate sin and cos |
| 05:16.57 | Ktron | or e^() for that matter? |
| 05:17.04 | Kremonte | okay, nevermind ^_^ |
| 05:17.08 | Ktron | e being 2.7.... |
| 05:17.15 | Ktron | hm... |
| 05:17.25 | Ktron | I'm trying to think of how to sum it up easily ;) |
| 05:17.47 | Ktron | alright |
| 05:17.49 | Ktron | here's a stab |
| 05:18.32 | Kremonte | hah. here i was thinking pi was simple |
| 05:18.32 | Ktron | Kremonte, if X = 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + 1/64 + ..., what's X? |
| 05:18.51 | Kremonte | irrational? lol. |
| 05:18.57 | Ktron | if it helps to visualize, think of a person starting 2 meters from a door |
| 05:19.05 | Kremonte | yeah then keeps halving what he has |
| 05:19.05 | Ktron | then they walk halfway (1 meter) |
| 05:19.09 | Ktron | then halfway again |
| 05:19.10 | Ktron | etc |
| 05:19.16 | Kremonte | .5 meter .25 meter .125 meter yeah |
| 05:19.33 | Ktron | if he keeps doing that, forever, does it make sense that he 'reaches' the door, so X=2? |
| 05:19.45 | Kremonte | he wouldn't reach the door, but he'd get close! |
| 05:19.53 | Ktron | infinitely close |
| 05:19.59 | Kremonte | yup |
| 05:20.13 | Kremonte | how would you do that with pi though? =/ |
| 05:20.30 | Ktron | and infinitely close is the same as being there... which I could give you another simple example for... heh, for pi, it's nastier |
| 05:21.22 | Kremonte | well, you cant say that 3.14159 is pi =P |
| 05:21.35 | Ktron | Of course, heh |
| 05:21.57 | Ktron | I remember 1/Pi, I'm trying to remember pi itself again |
| 05:22.22 | Ktron | got it |
| 05:22.35 | Kremonte | 3.14159265358979323...why do i know these digits |
| 05:22.45 | Kremonte | Real Life is full |
| 05:22.48 | Ktron | so, there's a pattern for sin(x) |
| 05:22.48 | Kremonte | Position in queue: 202 |
| 05:22.52 | Ktron | lol |
| 05:23.19 | Ktron | no, wait a second, I'm off still |
| 05:23.19 | Kremonte | Position in queue : 3.14159265358979323846* |
| 05:23.22 | Ktron | give me a second to double check |
| 05:24.28 | Ktron | lol, alright, I remember |
| 05:24.58 | Ktron | so... how about I just give you the end formula |
| 05:25.10 | Kremonte | beginning or end, learning ftw? |
| 05:25.24 | Ktron | alright, I'll try to get there |
| 05:25.52 | Ktron | actually, I think I made it worse than I needed to, sorry |
| 05:26.00 | Ktron | well, not by much |
| 05:26.01 | Kremonte | lol |
| 05:26.05 | Ktron | basically forget sin and cos, that's it |
| 05:26.12 | Kremonte | wait wah |
| 05:26.16 | Kremonte | why am i forgetting sin and cos now |
| 05:26.40 | Ktron | Starting over-- remember that 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + ... = 2 thing, and keep that in mind |
| 05:26.40 | Kremonte | what we're doing arc cot csc pi ^ 7(833/102) ? |
| 05:26.45 | Kremonte | k |
| 05:27.21 | Ktron | 1,1/2,1/4,1/8,... is called a geometric sequence-- you get from one number to the next by multiplying by the same number |
| 05:27.47 | Ktron | ie, 1/2... 1*1/2 = 1/2, 1/2*1/2 = 1/4, 1/4 * 1/2 = 1/8... got it? |
| 05:28.18 | Kremonte | yup. |
| 05:28.51 | Ktron | So, shortcutting some work, there's a formula that was derived for geometric sequences, that says that the sum of the sequence = T/(1-r), where T is the first term, and r is the 'ratio' or the number multiplied each time |
| 05:29.11 | Kremonte | so that would be 1(1-2)? |
| 05:29.11 | Ktron | ie, 1/(1 - 1/2) = 1/(1/2) = 2 |
| 05:29.18 | Kremonte | oh, 1/2 |
| 05:29.21 | Ktron | yep |
| 05:29.46 | Ktron | alright, time for some hocus pocus... you have no idea what integration is, right? |
| 05:29.51 | Kremonte | nnnope! |
| 05:29.56 | Kremonte | but i can try googling it =o |
| 05:30.02 | Ktron | lol, it's a BIG subject |
| 05:30.37 | Kremonte | does that have to do with integral calculus? |
| 05:30.57 | Kremonte | thats what google spit out at me. :b |
| 05:31.43 | Ktron | simplest explanation is that it is a function that preserves equality, and can sometimes be thought of a function to return area under a graphed function... Basically, the first half of calculus is derivatives, the second half is integrals, and calculus goes on and on, both being used from there on out |
| 05:32.04 | Kremonte | oh god |
| 05:32.07 | Kremonte | i fear calculus |
| 05:32.16 | Cairenn | bah, calculus is fun :) |
| 05:32.25 | Kremonte | i'm not even in precalc yet ;_; |
| 05:32.38 | Ktron | derivation is like a new very special division, and integration is like a new very special multiplication |
| 05:32.53 | Kremonte | i don't want more sin csc hooha |
| 05:33.29 | Ktron | lol... Calculus you learn about Derivation and integration, and then you learn how to do it to EVERY function and combination of functions possible |
| 05:33.44 | Kremonte | oh good, so i'm not taking it :-D |
| 05:33.58 | Ktron | sines, cosines, arcsines, cosecants, cotangents, logs, natural logs, you name it |
| 05:34.20 | Kremonte | be right back |
| 05:34.24 | Kremonte | getting some ice to put on my brain |
| 05:34.26 | Ktron | needless to say, derivation and integration don't work 'prettily' |
| 05:34.27 | Ktron | lol |
| 05:34.37 | Ktron | ANYWAY... |
| 05:34.47 | Kremonte | yeah, anyway :) |
| 05:35.15 | Ktron | so, you'll have to take my word, that arctan(x) = INT(1/(1+x^2),x,0,x) |
| 05:35.48 | Kremonte | arctan? grr |
| 05:35.51 | Ktron | ignore the ,x,0,x) part |
| 05:35.52 | Kremonte | tangent my ass! |
| 05:35.56 | Ktron | lol |
| 05:36.05 | Ktron | arctan(-1) = Pi/4 though |
| 05:36.23 | Kremonte | wow |
| 05:36.31 | Ktron | so if we can find out how to calculate 4*INT(1/(1+x^2),x,0,x) we can calculate Pi |
| 05:36.31 | Kremonte | so the world revolves around pi |
| 05:36.47 | Ktron | pi, and e, don't forget e |
| 05:36.53 | Kremonte | e is 2.7, correct? |
| 05:36.57 | Ktron | I think e is slightly more important... |
| 05:37.05 | Ktron | 2.727..... I think |
| 05:37.13 | Ktron | so yeah |
| 05:37.23 | Ktron | 2.72767 maybe |
| 05:37.24 | Ktron | anyway |
| 05:37.45 | Kremonte | er, e is just a constant? |
| 05:37.48 | Tain | The movie Pi was cool. |
| 05:37.55 | Ktron | 1/(1+x^2) looks a lot like the formula before |
| 05:38.04 | Ktron | e is another crazy irrational constant like pi |
| 05:38.08 | Kremonte | :-( |
| 05:38.18 | Kremonte | okay |
| 05:38.22 | Ktron | Tain: that was a crazy movie ;) |
| 05:38.53 | Ktron | so... if we want to use the formula from before backwards (being T/(1-r) ), T=1, and r=-x^2 |
| 05:39.37 | Ktron | so, 1/(1+x^2) = 1 + -x^2 + x^4 + -x^6 + x^8.... |
| 05:39.45 | Ktron | still loosely with me? |
| 05:40.25 | Kremonte | yuea |
| 05:40.26 | Kremonte | yeah* |
| 05:40.42 | Fanook | that's -(x^2), right? not (-x)^2 |
| 05:40.59 | Ktron | yep Fanook |
| 05:41.10 | Ktron | Order of Operations ;) |
| 05:41.11 | Fanook | i hated calc sooo much |
| 05:41.18 | Ktron | Fanook: lol |
| 05:41.41 | Kremonte | calc is a full yr class, correct? |
| 05:41.57 | Kolth | 9months |
| 05:42.05 | Kremonte | erh |
| 05:42.06 | Ktron | in college its 1 semester usually, then a semester of calc 2 |
| 05:42.13 | Kremonte | ugh |
| 05:42.14 | Ktron | in high school its a full year |
| 05:42.19 | Kremonte | i want to get calc done with before i graduate |
| 05:42.21 | Fanook | kinda, i had calc 1 and calc 2, both semester classes. derivatives in 1, integrals in 2 |
| 05:42.30 | Kremonte | but my teachers put me in the wrong fking class this year |
| 05:42.35 | Kremonte | so i lost an entire year |
| 05:42.39 | Fanook | ouch |
| 05:42.44 | Kolth | In high school Calculus is often divided into thre sections, A, B and C |
| 05:42.52 | Kolth | I never took A and just did B and C |
| 05:43.09 | Kremonte | well my school has math A sem 1,2,3, math b sem 1,2,3, precalc and calc |
| 05:43.15 | Kolth | Colleges divide it all into 9months. |
| 05:43.25 | Kremonte | 9 months for a b and c? |
| 05:43.26 | Ktron | Kolth: I took Calc AB junior year, and Calc BC senior year of high school |
| 05:43.27 | Fanook | i should have taken precalc again, cause i never really learned trig. oh sure, i was taught it, but i never really learned it |
| 05:43.39 | Kremonte | Fanook - that's generally my case ;_; |
| 05:43.51 | Kremonte | they put me from A 2 to B 2..missing a 3 and b1 |
| 05:44.05 | Kremonte | so while i would be in calc honours my senior year now i can't -_- |
| 05:44.12 | Ktron | heh |
| 05:44.13 | Fanook | Kremonte : i was ok in calc until they started in with those stupid trig subtitutions |
| 05:44.22 | Kremonte | TRIANGLE |
| 05:44.28 | Kremonte | think fast |
| 05:44.28 | Kremonte | CIRCLE |
| 05:44.32 | Kremonte | pi pi pi |
| 05:44.43 | Kremonte | okay. so |
| 05:44.51 | Kremonte | 1/(1+x^2) = 1 + -x^2 + x^4 + -x^6 + x^8.... |
| 05:45.48 | Ktron | anyway, krem, you'll have to take my word that the integral of the series (that's what they call a sequence when its 'added together') is = x - (x^3)/3 + (x^5)/5 - (x^7)/7 + ... |
| 05:46.16 | Kremonte | mhm |
| 05:48.30 | Ktron | so, arctan(x) = x - (x^3)/3 + (x^5)/5 - (x^7)/7 + ... |
| 05:48.42 | Ktron | arctan(1) = Pi/4, from before |
| 05:49.05 | Ktron | and arctan(1) = 1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - ... |
| 05:49.28 | Ktron | 4*arctan(1) = Pi = 4*(1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - ...) |
| 05:49.45 | Kremonte | ahh |
| 05:49.46 | Kremonte | i see |
| 05:50.10 | Ktron | There's many ways to calculate Pi, this way is actually kind of 'slow', but its probably the easiest to explain |
| 05:50.45 | Ktron | and by slow, I mean you have to add up a lot of terms to get a good approximation |
| 05:50.47 | Kremonte | so if i can calculate 4(1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 + 1/13 - 1/15 + ...) |
| 05:50.53 | Kremonte | i can calculate pi? |
| 05:50.59 | Ktron | yep |
| 05:51.04 | Ktron | the more terms, the more accurate |
| 05:51.46 | Kremonte | jeez, i gotta save this and look it over and when i'm less stupid |
| 05:51.56 | Ktron | And, the 'accuracy' of the term can be approximated by the next term |
| 05:52.37 | Ktron | ie, if you use 4(1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9) for pi, your error is less than4*(1/11) |
| 05:53.01 | Ktron | it's harder work to get a lower number for the known maximum error |
| 05:53.10 | Ktron | but that probably is accurate enough to suite your perposes |
| 05:54.01 | Kremonte | 1 question : why is it + - + - + - ? |
| 05:54.22 | Ktron | from before, the formula was T/(1-r), right? |
| 05:54.26 | Kremonte | yes |
| 05:54.31 | Ktron | and we had 1/(1+x^2) |
| 05:54.36 | Ktron | so r = -x^2, right |
| 05:54.42 | Kremonte | oh |
| 05:54.49 | Kremonte | that's what i missed :) |
| 05:54.53 | Ktron | k |
| 05:55.01 | Kremonte | thanksa |
| 05:55.13 | Ktron | heh, don't go making up too much mathematics like this heh |
| 05:55.25 | Kremonte | i'm far too bewildered :# |
| 05:55.27 | Ktron | there's lots of rules that you need to watch out for too |
| 05:55.59 | Ktron | like, for example, remember the T/(1-r) formula for 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ... = 2? |
| 05:56.08 | Ktron | let's try 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 |
| 05:56.16 | Ktron | T=1, r=2 now |
| 05:56.26 | Ktron | 1/(1-2) = 1/(-1) = -1 |
| 05:56.40 | Ktron | so... 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + ... = -1 |
| 05:56.45 | Ktron | which obviously isn't right |
| 05:57.25 | Kremonte | jeez |
| 05:58.01 | Ktron | (heh, if you really want bewilderment, there's a branch of mathematics that takes 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + ... = -1 to be true |
| 05:58.15 | Kremonte | i cried |
| 05:58.28 | Kremonte | and what would that branch of psychos be called? =o |
| 05:58.32 | Fanook | programmers |
| 05:58.34 | Fanook | :) |
| 05:58.36 | Kremonte | LOL |
| 05:59.42 | Ktron | lol |
| 06:00.07 | Ktron | heh |
| 06:00.24 | Cairenn | 1+1 = 3 |
| 06:00.32 | Ktron | Cairenn: muahahahaahaa |
| 06:00.41 | Fanook | only for very large values of 1 tho |
| 06:01.07 | Cairenn | calculus in a nut shell |
| 06:01.14 | Kremonte | hahahahah |
| 06:01.21 | Cairenn | but 1+1 also = 0 |
| 06:01.25 | Kremonte | yes. |
| 06:01.27 | Cairenn | and -infinity |
| 06:01.29 | Cairenn | and |
| 06:01.31 | Kremonte | so wait |
| 06:01.38 | Kremonte | 3 + 12 = 42, correct? |
| 06:01.49 | Kremonte | so, here's my plan: |
| 06:01.51 | Ktron | Cairenn: a=1, a=b, a^2=ab, a^2 - b^2 = ab - b^2, (a-b)(a+b)= b(a-b), (a+b)=b, a=0, 1=0 |
| 06:01.56 | Kremonte | i'll flunk all my math exams |
| 06:01.59 | Kremonte | and just say |
| 06:02.04 | Cairenn | Ktron: yup :) |
| 06:02.04 | Kremonte | "But I was doing calculus!" |
| 06:02.11 | Ktron | Kremonte: lol |
| 06:02.19 | Cairenn | unh, not quite Kremonte, but nice play! |
| 06:02.23 | Kremonte | :'( |
| 06:02.28 | Kremonte | why not! |
| 06:02.48 | Cairenn | because you still have to follow the "rules" of calculus for that to fly |
| 06:03.02 | Kremonte | i'll make my own! :-D |
| 06:03.04 | Ktron | And trust me, there's more rules to calculus than algebra or precalc |
| 06:03.07 | Kremonte | math is neverending ;-) |
| 06:03.08 | Cairenn | oh yeah |
| 06:03.11 | Ktron | or geometry |
| 06:03.14 | Cairenn | or |
| 06:03.16 | Ktron | math is neverending |
| 06:03.29 | Cairenn | yet, math is the only "pure" science |
| 06:03.38 | Kremonte | pure my pure ass |
| 06:04.05 | Ktron | heh, I'm finishing up with my math major now, I think I have 5 classes left, and I'm still getting intros to subjects |
| 06:04.44 | Ktron | physics is the math of objects, chemistry is the math of the makeup of objects |
| 06:04.58 | Ktron | bio isn't math |
| 06:04.59 | Kremonte | you have convinced me not to go to college |
| 06:05.00 | Kremonte | ^_^ |
| 06:05.04 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:05.12 | Ktron | Kremonte: just don't go into math |
| 06:05.14 | Cairenn | depends on what you plan on majoring in Kremonte |
| 06:05.45 | Cairenn | if you don't plan on being a math major, then no biggie, take stats and be done with it, there's your math credit :p |
| 06:05.48 | Ktron | Here's my thought for you Krem for hte night, you'll like this... does .999999... = 1? |
| 06:06.04 | Fanook | gods, it's WoW General all over again... |
| 06:06.11 | Ktron | Cairenn: or you can take logic in colllege, logic isn't too bad |
| 06:06.13 | Cairenn | Fanook: ? |
| 06:06.20 | Ktron | Fanook: did they do math in general? |
| 06:06.28 | Cairenn | Ktron: login in college ... oxymoron? |
| 06:06.42 | Ktron | lol |
| 06:06.50 | Cairenn | errr, logic, even |
| 06:06.52 | Cairenn | sheesh |
| 06:07.00 | Fanook | yeah, Bliz did an april fools thing last year with that and there were threads all over of idiots arguing that .9999..... != 1 |
| 06:07.07 | Kremonte | but |
| 06:07.11 | Kremonte | HOW is .9999 =1 |
| 06:07.17 | Kremonte | they arent the same number! |
| 06:07.19 | Fanook | .9999 != 1 |
| 06:07.21 | Kremonte | you insane bastards. |
| 06:07.24 | Fanook | .9999.... == 1 |
| 06:07.24 | Cairenn | Fanook: it doesn't |
| 06:07.37 | Kremonte | .999999999999... != 1 |
| 06:07.39 | Ktron | Cairenn: really? alright watch this |
| 06:07.42 | Kremonte | .999... < 1 |
| 06:07.45 | Kremonte | oh no |
| 06:07.47 | Cairenn | Ktron: ;) |
| 06:07.50 | Ktron | let's say x = .999.... |
| 06:07.50 | Kremonte | oh god |
| 06:07.58 | Ktron | 10x = 9.999.... |
| 06:08.03 | Ktron | 10x - x = 9 |
| 06:08.07 | Ktron | 9x = 9 |
| 06:08.08 | Ktron | x =1 |
| 06:08.13 | Ktron | .999... = 1 ! |
| 06:08.20 | Kremonte | what the fuck? |
| 06:08.24 | Fanook | the ad infinitum makes it work |
| 06:08.28 | Kremonte | how did you do that |
| 06:08.29 | Cairenn | Ktron: lol |
| 06:08.31 | Kremonte | :-( |
| 06:08.43 | Cairenn | Kremonte: he's a math major |
| 06:08.47 | Kremonte | but still |
| 06:08.49 | Kremonte | what the fuck |
| 06:08.49 | Cairenn | 'nuff said |
| 06:08.50 | Ktron | Fanook: not using programming operators, there's math equivalents |
| 06:09.00 | Ktron | Math Majors can do ANYTHING |
| 06:09.04 | Kremonte | can you fly? |
| 06:09.14 | Cairenn | mathematically, yes |
| 06:09.19 | Fanook | yes, but i can't write the math version of != in here easily :) |
| 06:09.24 | Kremonte | f u |
| 06:09.24 | Kremonte | ;_; |
| 06:09.30 | Ktron | Fanook: true |
| 06:09.31 | Kremonte | jeez |
| 06:09.35 | Kremonte | that makes me want to major in math |
| 06:09.37 | Kremonte | just to piss people off |
| 06:09.40 | Cairenn | Kremonte: heh |
| 06:09.46 | Kremonte | "YOU CANT FLY" 'watch me" |
| 06:10.19 | Ktron | I went into mathematics because it relates to everything... if you understand mathematics well enough, physics and chemistry boil way down |
| 06:10.45 | Kremonte | i think math is cool, when thinks just work |
| 06:10.47 | Kremonte | things* |
| 06:10.51 | Kremonte | but it's like |
| 06:10.55 | Cairenn | only the so-called "pure" sciences, though, Ktron |
| 06:10.55 | Kremonte | one big hack-job |
| 06:10.58 | Ktron | heh, one of the math majors in college when I was in high school told me how in 3 days, he learned all of the math required to do calculations for biochemistry in 3 days |
| 06:11.01 | Kremonte | until you realize wth is going on |
| 06:11.01 | Ktron | I wanted to do that ;) |
| 06:11.20 | Ktron | Cairenn: I don't like 'pure' really, I use the hard and soft metaphor |
| 06:11.29 | Kremonte | yes |
| 06:11.29 | Ktron | hard science being physics, soft being biology |
| 06:11.31 | Kremonte | math is hard |
| 06:11.33 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 06:11.36 | Fanook | re: the .999 thing, http://www.blizzard.com/press/040401.shtml |
| 06:11.53 | Cairenn | and, soft actually being the social sciences :p |
| 06:12.05 | Kremonte | lol |
| 06:12.08 | Ktron | Cairenn: because, believe it or not, there's a branch of mathematics called 'pure mathematics' |
| 06:12.09 | Cairenn | biology *can* be a hard science, at least parts of it |
| 06:12.18 | Cairenn | Ktron: oh, I am aware |
| 06:12.24 | Cairenn | guess what my major was :p |
| 06:12.28 | Kremonte | pure mathematics? |
| 06:12.32 | Kremonte | ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS ONE |
| 06:12.35 | Ktron | Cairenn: nah... bio is a soft science to me, social sciences are like one extreme, chemistry is in the middle, and physics is hard science |
| 06:13.01 | Ktron | Kremonte: pure mathematics is basically the study of mathematics without caring if it has any 'real world' equivalents |
| 06:13.15 | Kremonte | in other words, anything past 4 th grade? lol |
| 06:13.19 | Ktron | Kremonte: number theory, parts of game theory, stuff like that |
| 06:13.20 | Cairenn | nooooo |
| 06:13.26 | Kremonte | game theory? wah |
| 06:13.29 | Ktron | Kremonte: calculus models physics |
| 06:13.33 | Ktron | Tem: lol |
| 06:13.37 | Kremonte | okay.. |
| 06:13.39 | Kremonte | now i'm sad |
| 06:13.49 | Kremonte | i'm leaving because you make my brain bruise itself |
| 06:14.31 | Cairenn | Kremonte: no |
| 06:14.31 | Cairenn | don't leave |
| 06:14.31 | Cairenn | I'll stop playing, and let Ktron get back to explaining |
| 06:14.31 | Cairenn | you were actually learning |
| 06:14.43 | Kremonte | lol |
| 06:14.44 | Kremonte | i was kidding |
| 06:14.54 | Kremonte | i'm just unbelievably confused |
| 06:15.12 | Cairenn | that's because we were playing ... I'll stop |
| 06:15.12 | Kremonte | i'm on the questions like |
| 06:15.30 | Kremonte | the ship is 400m from the light house, at a 43 degree angle to the top of it |
| 06:15.42 | Kremonte | 15 minutes later, the ship has a 20 degree angle |
| 06:15.50 | Kremonte | the rock is 15 m from the lighthouse |
| 06:15.53 | Kremonte | how far is the ship from the rock |
| 06:15.57 | Kremonte | yeah.. |
| 06:16.06 | Kremonte | 0.999... < 1 |
| 06:16.48 | Ktron | Kremonte: game theory is one of my favorites ;).. It's the study of games mathematically, determining whether there are perfect strategies, ways to always win or lose, or predict the victor/loser |
| 06:16.49 | Ktron | purl, comfort Kremonte |
| 06:16.50 | purl | There, there, Kremonte. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:16.51 | Ktron | Game Theory shows that in Chess, if the players were good enough, first player would always win or tie, ie there's no way for second player (black) to force a win |
| 06:16.54 | Ktron | like tic tac toe |
| 06:16.58 | Ktron | chess is just glorified tic tac toe ;) |
| 06:17.07 | Kremonte | lol |
| 06:17.33 | Kremonte | "How to always win in chess" |
| 06:17.42 | Ktron | I just lagged like all of Cair's and Krem's comments for like 15 lines |
| 06:18.04 | Kremonte | Ktron - same thing happened to me |
| 06:18.11 | Kremonte | oh, by the way |
| 06:18.15 | Kremonte | Cairenn - i don' tmind the playing |
| 06:18.23 | Ktron | Kremonte: you need to realize that mathematics has more to it to that... let's see if I can find a simple thing you could play with |
| 06:18.25 | Kremonte | it's like joining a game halfway through :-) |
| 06:19.05 | Kremonte | very cool that there are people such willing to teach though |
| 06:19.36 | Kremonte | big hug! |
| 06:19.36 | Ktron | heh, I think I'm doomed into being a professor... heh, you want to see proof of my ultimate nerdousity? |
| 06:19.40 | Kremonte | purl, hug #wowi-lounge |
| 06:19.41 | purl | ACTION hugs #wowi-lounge |
| 06:19.51 | Kremonte | no nerds allowed |
| 06:19.54 | Kremonte | geeks only |
| 06:19.59 | Cairenn | Ktron: geek, not nerd |
| 06:20.13 | Cairenn | geeks are teh secksay, nerds are just nerds |
| 06:20.21 | Kremonte | yeha, nerds arent good =P |
| 06:20.22 | Ktron | difference? ah |
| 06:20.26 | Kremonte | wonder why its the "Geek Squad"? |
| 06:20.30 | Kremonte | and "ThinkGeek"? |
| 06:20.42 | Cairenn | Ktron: seriously? difference? Geeks = nerds with social skills |
| 06:20.56 | Cairenn | or, nerds = geeks without any social skills |
| 06:21.23 | Kremonte | Geek = Nerd - Social Skills, Geek - Social Skills= Nerd |
| 06:21.26 | Kremonte | i know math, w00t |
| 06:21.28 | Cairenn | note it's social "skills" not necessarily social "life" |
| 06:21.29 | Kremonte | i beat math |
| 06:21.36 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:21.49 | Ktron | See, I think last time I discussed geeks/nerds/dorks with friends, nerds were 'intellectual' freaks, people who got way into math or bio or programming or something, and geeks were people who emulated nerds but didn't really have any subject(s) they liked, just shared in our movies and video games ;) |
| 06:21.58 | Kremonte | MySettings["Kremonte of Warsong"]["social"].life = nil; |
| 06:21.58 | Ktron | and dorks were the scary ones who don't talk to people |
| 06:22.15 | Kremonte | dork? is different |
| 06:22.25 | Cairenn | then your friends have different definitions from the "norm" |
| 06:22.35 | Cairenn | dorks are definitely different |
| 06:22.36 | Kremonte | dork is that kid across the street who worked for a year to make $3000 to build a rubber band paper airplane |
| 06:22.48 | Cairenn | dorks aren't necessarily geeks or nerds, either |
| 06:22.51 | Kremonte | which backfired and ended up cutting his left thumb off |
| 06:23.11 | Ktron | lol... I went to a HS were our version of nerds pretty much controlled the school |
| 06:23.17 | Ktron | lol |
| 06:23.44 | Ktron | heh... we even figured out ranks of nerdousity |
| 06:23.47 | Kremonte | when i think of nerd i think of the stereotypical 19 year old kid with red hair, way too many freckles and horrendous acne |
| 06:23.57 | Kremonte | who has a "BIOHAZARD" sign on the entrance to his room in the basement |
| 06:24.05 | Ktron | for whatever reason, we had them reversed |
| 06:24.13 | Kremonte | and more than half a dozen non-working monitors in his "room" |
| 06:24.13 | Ktron | but whichever way |
| 06:24.33 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:24.48 | Cairenn | yeah, pretty much everyone in here, to one degree or another, in one "forum" or another |
| 06:24.57 | Ktron | Good, only 2 monitors, and they both work... though there's 3 computers, and 2 aren't working |
| 06:25.07 | Tem | karl is still missing |
| 06:25.15 | Cairenn | ah, different place looking around and different thing counting |
| 06:25.19 | Tem | the one time I'm looking for him he's not around |
| 06:25.23 | Cairenn | he was around early Tem |
| 06:25.24 | Kremonte | i am a geek with no social life |
| 06:25.31 | Ktron | heh |
| 06:25.31 | Kremonte | i have .. lemme count |
| 06:25.42 | Kremonte | 12 empty soda cans on my desk |
| 06:25.50 | Kremonte | a couple of dorito bags.. |
| 06:26.00 | Kremonte | yeah. i don't get out much :( |
| 06:26.03 | Tem | rofl |
| 06:26.37 | Ktron | key Kremonte, and anyone else into the unusual/interesting areas of mathematics not typically covered in courses |
| 06:27.01 | Kremonte | (wth, i have 8ms ping with the server i'm on now o.O) |
| 06:27.06 | Ktron | I wrote about a 60 page book, aiming for a middle school to early high school reading level |
| 06:27.10 | Cairenn | ain't no *way* I'm gonna start counting computer parts (functional and non) around my house ... nuh uh, you can't make me! |
| 06:27.22 | Ktron | (heh, for my eagle project), that I have as a pdf online |
| 06:27.57 | Kremonte | Ktron - what's it aboot? |
| 06:28.22 | Ktron | bunch of different subjects... let's see, chapters on... |
| 06:28.23 | Kremonte | meh, you know you are one of the two (geek/nerd) when you hear something funny, you THINK "lol" |
| 06:28.40 | Kremonte | i blurted out an el-o-el in history today.. -.- |
| 06:28.52 | Cairenn | LOL |
| 06:29.41 | Kremonte | my teacher is a joker, we had a quiz for bonus points on our exam after vacation |
| 06:29.54 | Kremonte | and one of the questions was, "Who plays the voice of Chris on Family Guy?" |
| 06:30.02 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:31.54 | Kremonte | so. |
| 06:32.37 | Ktron | Less common geometry shapes, linear transformations, knot theory, game theory, 'sizes' of infinity, fractals, 4D objects (Moebius strips and Klein bottles), more 4D and higher stuff, bases, and an 'advanced' chapter on a function I made up used to calculate division rules (you know, like the add up all the digits of a number and if the sum is divisible by 9, then the original number is too... I can find rules for any number) |
| 06:33.10 | Kremonte | heh, you have a link to it? |
| 06:33.12 | Ktron | heh, I make a distinction between those who play games incessantly, and do something more productive/academic incessantly |
| 06:33.27 | Kremonte | what if you do both simultaneously? ;) |
| 06:34.05 | Ktron | Like, for example, programming and playing games is a whole level above those who just play games |
| 06:34.27 | Kremonte | i usually do homework/work on mods for guildies while clearing trash in MC =P |
| 06:34.44 | Ktron | studying physics and watching star trek is a whole level above those who just watch star trek, etc |
| 06:35.31 | Ktron | this will give away enough information on me that you people could look up all sorts of details up on me that I'd rather you didn't, but http://pubpages.unh.edu/~khamer/ |
| 06:35.52 | Ktron | heh, though I haven't updated the screen name on that page for ever |
| 06:36.00 | Ktron | or the forums |
| 06:36.18 | Ktron | or some of the other liks |
| 06:36.20 | Ktron | *links |
| 06:36.52 | Cairenn | I like the dedication |
| 06:37.47 | Ktron | heh, poetry is a fun hobby |
| 06:37.58 | Ktron | I believe its all in meter too ;) |
| 06:38.14 | Kremonte | omg. kevin tron |
| 06:38.26 | Ktron | heh |
| 06:38.31 | Ktron | that's were the K is from |
| 06:38.48 | Ktron | heh, now you'll understand the whole thing actually |
| 06:39.01 | Ktron | from a Chapelle show, they do a 'mad real world' thing |
| 06:39.24 | Ktron | one of hte people, called 'tron', says something about the square root of the appartment |
| 06:40.04 | Ktron | I wore a 'tron' (the movie) shirt too, and one of my friends made a connection and starting calling me tron |
| 06:40.13 | Ktron | another friend added the K |
| 06:40.26 | Ktron | heh... and they call my girlfriend 'ladytron' ;) |
| 06:40.32 | Kremonte | lol |
| 06:40.35 | Kremonte | Ktron Ltron |
| 06:40.55 | Ktron | Ltron is harder to say than ladytron... and her name also begins with a K, so using her name was out |
| 06:42.14 | Ktron | I printed up 20 or 25 or so copies of my book too, and distributed them too schools near me too |
| 06:42.27 | Kremonte | that's cool |
| 06:43.03 | Ktron | I think I have a few copies left, one I'm supposed to put into my college's library, heh, and then it'll get indexed like real publications, which would be fun |
| 06:43.14 | Ktron | I'm working on a new book actually |
| 06:43.51 | Ktron | ....Anyway, my nerdousity has been verified |
| 06:44.02 | Kremonte | :-o |
| 06:44.07 | Kremonte | wouldn't it be "Nerdosity"? |
| 06:44.15 | Ktron | hm |
| 06:44.20 | Ktron | or nerdocity? |
| 06:44.21 | Kremonte | Nerdousity sounds like it would be "Ner-dü-sitty" |
| 06:44.24 | Ktron | or geekicity? |
| 06:44.32 | Kremonte | as opposed to "Ner-d'ah-sitty" |
| 06:44.47 | Kremonte | heh, i would say geekiness 8) |
| 06:45.02 | Kremonte | though in that case, Nerdiness would work too |
| 06:45.05 | Ktron | but -ity endings are so much cooler |
| 06:45.22 | Kremonte | Geekity. |
| 06:45.22 | Fanook | i'd say the fact that we're even debating this is proof that we're all nerds and proud of it ;P |
| 06:45.27 | Kremonte | no. |
| 06:45.31 | Kremonte | i am a geek and proud of it |
| 06:45.41 | Kremonte | i speak to girls! :-O |
| 06:45.48 | Kremonte | hey wait |
| 06:45.51 | Kremonte | Ktron has a girlfriend |
| 06:45.54 | Kremonte | so he CANT be a nerd |
| 06:46.25 | Ktron | vicousity, tenacity, longevity, acidicity.... all better than happiness, calmness, excitedness, or whatever else ness |
| 06:46.33 | Fanook | but, the movies contradict that the theory that nerds can't have girlfriends |
| 06:46.48 | Kremonte | but you are adding "ocity" |
| 06:46.52 | Kremonte | making it sound like its a meter in a car |
| 06:47.03 | Ktron | velocity... another good example |
| 06:47.25 | Ktron | velocity or quickness... no competition |
| 06:47.35 | Kremonte | speed wins. |
| 06:47.43 | Ktron | psh |
| 06:47.48 | Kremonte | -ness -ocity = win |
| 06:47.59 | Kremonte | I AM GEEK LEVEL 3 WZEROZEROZEROZEROT |
| 06:48.00 | Ktron | nerdation? |
| 06:48.17 | Kremonte | meh, nerdation sounds like an action |
| 06:48.31 | Ktron | here, I'll make a php test using my friends and my rules of being a nerd and geek |
| 06:48.32 | Kremonte | you can say i have a fixation with computers |
| 06:48.40 | Kremonte | but you cant say i have a nerdation with computers |
| 06:48.49 | Kremonte | i guess you could invent it, but it just doesn't fit IMHO |
| 06:49.01 | Ktron | do you have a nerdular affection for computer? |
| 06:49.03 | Ktron | *computers? |
| 06:49.14 | Cairenn | Ktron: nice "book" |
| 06:49.38 | Ktron | Cairenn: I know its short |
| 06:49.48 | Ktron | heh, damn, my mouse batteries died |
| 06:50.23 | Ktron | afk, bb |
| 06:50.40 | Cairenn | I didn't completely read it, obviously, but I skimmed through .. nice job ... I presume you got your Eagle Scout for it |
| 06:52.11 | Cairenn | (along with the rest of the work required, obviously) |
| 06:52.12 | Kremonte | nerdular would work |
| 06:52.19 | Kremonte | but that can't be used as a measurement |
| 06:52.32 | Kremonte | nerdocity COULD, but it sounds more like it involves movement if you as me |
| 06:52.34 | Kremonte | ask* |
| 06:53.29 | Kremonte | okay, i have a question |
| 06:53.41 | Kremonte | i want to mass rename parts of a file in a directory. how do i do it in dos =D |
| 06:54.01 | Kremonte | (what i'm doing: renaming all TaurenFemale_ files to GnomeMale_ |
| 06:54.22 | Kremonte | (making my toon a tauren female warlock riding a pink flamingo) |
| 06:55.26 | Ktron | Cairenn: yep... another few points for that as a nerd/geek |
| 06:55.48 | Ktron | Kremonte: I don't think you can |
| 06:56.00 | Kremonte | well, i just did it sorta o.O |
| 06:56.01 | Cairenn | hang on, confused here |
| 06:56.08 | Kremonte | ren TaurenFemale* GnomeMale* |
| 06:56.12 | Kremonte | made them all GnomeMaleale |
| 06:56.13 | Kremonte | lol |
| 06:56.16 | Ktron | basically, find/replace for filenames in a directory |
| 06:56.31 | Kremonte | grr now i cant get this out |
| 06:56.35 | Ktron | Kremonte: really? didn't think ren would work liek that |
| 06:56.50 | Kremonte | well i have some basic exp with it before..but i have no idea how to do this now |
| 06:56.52 | Cairenn | the way you said that, sounds like you are still working towards it .... but from your age, you should already have it? |
| 06:57.38 | Ktron | Cairenn: oh, I got it, I'm out of scouts now |
| 06:57.53 | Ktron | Cairenn: sorry I confused you |
| 06:57.59 | Cairenn | well, that's what I *thought*, but just the way you phrased it |
| 06:58.00 | Cairenn | anyway |
| 06:58.10 | Cairenn | grats on Eagle Scout, I know the work involved |
| 06:58.32 | Cairenn | that's something that goes on resumes/university apps, etc |
| 06:59.03 | Cairenn | <== Guide Leader, daughter earned her Canada Cord ... Canadian (female) equivalent to eagle scout |
| 06:59.12 | Ktron | cool |
| 06:59.22 | Kremonte | canada cord! |
| 06:59.29 | Cairenn | I *know* the work involved |
| 06:59.29 | Tem | tehe |
| 06:59.32 | Osagasu | I thought The Canadian scouts were coed |
| 06:59.35 | Kremonte | its a cute alliteration |
| 06:59.39 | Cairenn | Canada scouts, yet |
| 06:59.44 | Cairenn | s/yet/yes |
| 07:00.04 | Cairenn | but there are still Girl Guides of Canada as a separate organization |
| 07:00.15 | Cairenn | Scouts Canada just went co-ed recently |
| 07:00.25 | Cairenn | before that it was still Boy Scouts of Canada |
| 07:00.38 | Ktron | cool |
| 07:00.42 | Cairenn | Boy Scouts, Girl Guides |
| 07:00.48 | Osagasu | Recently as in about 6 years ago? |
| 07:00.53 | Ktron | one day I'm sure the US will go coed, but I think both need to dwindle some yet |
| 07:01.07 | Osagasu | I remember it was that long ago my Canuck friends were talkin about it |
| 07:01.19 | Cairenn | that's recent, considering that Girl Guides just celebrated our ... 105th? anniversary in Canada? |
| 07:01.36 | Cairenn | Girl Guides = Girl Scouts in the US |
| 07:02.07 | Cairenn | We just stuck a little more tradionally to Lady BP's naming |
| 07:02.30 | pagefault | cookies |
| 07:02.35 | Cairenn | s/tradionally/traditionally/ |
| 07:02.57 | Cairenn | pagefault: yep, amongst other things |
| 07:03.10 | Cairenn | lol, when is a beaver ready to become a scout? |
| 07:03.17 | pagefault | no idea |
| 07:03.21 | pagefault | I was a beaver lol |
| 07:03.40 | Kremonte | jeez |
| 07:03.43 | Kremonte | DOS is really weak -.- |
| 07:04.05 | pagefault | why are you using DOS |
| 07:04.14 | Ktron | yeah, DOS isn't very well stocked at all |
| 07:04.23 | Kremonte | pagefault - mass renaming files |
| 07:04.31 | Kremonte | i dont want to right click -> rename 184 files |
| 07:04.49 | Kremonte | im trying to rename TaurenFemale*.blp to GnomeMale*.blp |
| 07:04.49 | pagefault | i'd make a python or perl script or something |
| 07:04.57 | Kremonte | buti ts just giving me GnomeMaleale*.blp |
| 07:05.06 | Kremonte | i havent used either in a looong time |
| 07:05.10 | pagefault | yes you can't do that in DOS |
| 07:05.14 | pagefault | it sucks |
| 07:05.30 | pagefault | unless you make some for loop batchfile |
| 07:05.31 | Kremonte | i think img onna do a hackjob..if it works |
| 07:05.57 | Kremonte | grrr ffs |
| 07:06.00 | Ktron | Kremonte: you could install perl heh |
| 07:06.09 | Kremonte | i dont even have the binaries installed |
| 07:06.11 | Kremonte | and i dont know perl |
| 07:06.20 | Kremonte | i learned like, how to do arrays. then i stopped |
| 07:06.24 | Kremonte | given, i was 8 years old :Q |
| 07:06.47 | Kremonte | who wants to write me a script! :-D |
| 07:07.11 | Ktron | I don't think lua has anyway to do file stuff, otherwise you could use a lua intrepreter |
| 07:07.22 | Kremonte | in perl! :-D |
| 07:07.27 | pagefault | there are probably a number of free programs you can download |
| 07:07.30 | Ktron | there's probably windows explorer replacements too you could use krem |
| 07:07.36 | Kremonte | booo |
| 07:07.44 | Kremonte | i dont want to install anything except a parsing binary |
| 07:09.03 | Ktron | heh |
| 07:09.15 | Ktron | I'm not sure if I remember perl correctly, give me a second too look over some |
| 07:09.26 | Kremonte | i can see if i remember php io commands =P |
| 07:10.22 | Kremonte | php.com... parents helping parents |
| 07:10.37 | Kremonte | grr |
| 07:15.25 | Ktron | there's rename() |
| 07:15.30 | Kremonte | yeah |
| 07:15.34 | Kremonte | i need to iterate the dir |
| 07:15.40 | Kremonte | ah yeah opendir |
| 07:16.01 | Ktron | do you have php installed? |
| 07:16.08 | Kremonte | yar |
| 07:17.57 | Kremonte | thjere we go! |
| 07:17.59 | Kremonte | yay php! |
| 07:18.01 | Kremonte | boo DOS. |
| 07:18.45 | Kremonte | i like how php puts it |
| 07:18.49 | Kremonte | string haystrack, mixed needle |
| 07:18.57 | Ktron | ? |
| 07:19.04 | Kremonte | for search functions =P |
| 07:19.09 | Ktron | you got it to work? I was just writing out what I thought roughly it should look like... http://ktron.pastebin.com/477396 |
| 07:19.10 | Kremonte | int strpos ( string haystack, mixed needle [, int offset] ) |
| 07:19.45 | Ktron | I need a 3rd monitor |
| 07:20.07 | Ktron | AIM IRC on one, tv and movies on two, and work and games on three |
| 07:20.13 | Kremonte | heh |
| 07:20.21 | Kremonte | i used to have my 2 monitors organized |
| 07:20.23 | Ktron | maybe if xmas money treats me well ;) |
| 07:20.23 | Kremonte | ...to hell with that |
| 07:20.33 | Ktron | it just kind of happens for me |
| 07:20.37 | Kremonte | i work on my lcd monitor |
| 07:20.42 | Kremonte | i put things i dont look at on the other =D |
| 07:20.47 | Kremonte | (winamp, ventrilo etc) |
| 07:20.47 | Depherios | heh that's what I do now Ktron |
| 07:20.55 | Kremonte | and for tv? |
| 07:20.56 | Kremonte | well |
| 07:20.57 | Tem | if xmas money treats me well enough, I'm buying a 24in wide panel |
| 07:20.59 | Depherios | God... I have 2 computers one with two monitors now |
| 07:21.01 | Kremonte | i have a tv 5ft away |
| 07:21.06 | Depherios | not TV ATM, my second tower is gone :P |
| 07:21.08 | Depherios | just movies |
| 07:21.14 | Depherios | and this laptop has no video on |
| 07:21.15 | Depherios | in |
| 07:21.31 | Cairenn | what is this ... t.v. ? ... thing of which you speak? |
| 07:21.32 | Ktron | I have no TV, so my computer is my TV and movie player |
| 07:21.36 | Depherios | XD |
| 07:21.40 | Ktron | lol |
| 07:21.49 | Depherios | I haven't been watching TV the last few months, but sometimes I do |
| 07:22.01 | Ktron | I watch it off and on |
| 07:22.16 | Tem | doesn anyone know if photoshop can auto create an alpha layer for me? |
| 07:22.26 | Tem | er, alpha channel |
| 07:22.39 | Cairenn | *auto* create it? |
| 07:22.42 | Depherios | yeah |
| 07:22.44 | Depherios | if you have the right addons |
| 07:22.48 | Depherios | err plugins |
| 07:22.51 | Ktron | one monitor always always has firefox or WoW or wc3 full screen on it, the second monitor generally has an aim convos, aim buddylist, and this irc room on it |
| 07:22.56 | Tem | come to think of it, I don't need it to |
| 07:22.59 | Ktron | heh, and tv or video in the corner |
| 07:23.18 | Tem | all I need to do is "select all visible" and use that |
| 07:23.18 | Depherios | http://www.flamingpear.com/download.html <-- free ones there |
| 07:23.22 | Depherios | have "ghost" |
| 07:23.27 | Depherios | and "tachyon" |
| 07:23.33 | Depherios | together = alpha |
| 07:23.44 | Depherios | well... the best I've managed anyway |
| 07:23.51 | Depherios | oh! |
| 07:23.56 | Depherios | unless you mean the transparency you already have |
| 07:24.05 | Cairenn | http://www.thepluginsite.com/ is good too |
| 07:24.07 | Kremonte | Tem - lazy |
| 07:24.09 | Kremonte | =O |
| 07:24.13 | Depherios | new layer/group with previous layer (or use previous layer as a mask) |
| 07:24.21 | Kremonte | select visible -> new channel -> ctrl backspace |
| 07:24.22 | Depherios | fill that white |
| 07:24.26 | Tem | exactly |
| 07:24.41 | Tem | O |
| 07:24.44 | Depherios | Kremonte: that's only if you don't have semitransparencies |
| 07:24.45 | Tem | I'm a little tried |
| 07:24.57 | Tem | Depherios: that works with semitransparencies |
| 07:25.09 | Depherios | O_o what version of photoshop? |
| 07:25.51 | Cairenn | CS2 is sweet ;) |
| 07:26.38 | Tem | I'm using CS |
| 07:26.52 | Ktron | http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3kl.jpg |
| 07:26.54 | Ktron | I'm a GIMP person |
| 07:26.56 | Kremonte | yay |
| 07:26.59 | Kremonte | i did it |
| 07:27.00 | Kremonte | boo dos |
| 07:27.01 | Ktron | GIMP on windows even |
| 07:27.43 | Kremonte | http://pastebin.com/477400 lol |
| 07:27.52 | Cairenn | it is *not* user friendly if you are just learning (gimp) |
| 07:28.02 | Kremonte | that just to clear up the crappiness of DOS |
| 07:28.04 | Fanook | agree. i tried GIMP for a while, prefer photoshop |
| 07:28.09 | Kremonte | photoshop is nicer |
| 07:28.15 | Kremonte | it's better in general ^_~ |
| 07:28.31 | Ktron | Cairenn: I liked GIMP better, GIMP made it more obvious to me about how to do things... GIMPshop exists too, which is supposed to make GIMP look/work more like photoshop |
| 07:28.37 | Ktron | never tried GIMPshop though |
| 07:28.47 | Depherios | GIMP is great |
| 07:28.49 | Ktron | Photoshop seemed much more mystical to me |
| 07:28.53 | Kremonte | http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294 |
| 07:28.56 | Depherios | but it takes 8 steps to do many things you can do in ONE in photoshop |
| 07:28.56 | Cairenn | and even if you are semi-experienced, I didn't find it intuitive at all |
| 07:29.26 | Cairenn | mind you, moving from PSP (back when it was free) to PS was like nothing ... trying to move from PSP to Gimp was like, huh? |
| 07:29.32 | Ktron | I might try GIMPshop... at this point I've used GIMP enough to be familiar with it |
| 07:29.43 | Ktron | heh |
| 07:29.57 | Ktron | I was moving from Paint up to a real program |
| 07:30.10 | Cairenn | well, I went Paint > PSP > PS |
| 07:30.19 | Ktron | Paint --> PS seemed worse to me than Paint --> GIMP, but its likely that I'm an oddball too |
| 07:30.21 | Kremonte | i was AWESOME in paint |
| 07:30.29 | Kremonte | before runescape went 3d |
| 07:30.33 | Ktron | these days I use GIMP and Inkscape |
| 07:30.34 | Kremonte | i made the most awesome fake pics |
| 07:30.39 | Ktron | lol |
| 07:30.41 | Cairenn | my daughter still prefers PSP, actually, over PS |
| 07:30.44 | Kremonte | i'm serious! :P |
| 07:30.49 | Kremonte | hmm maybe i still have some |
| 07:31.17 | Cairenn | which is fine, since PSP is a hella cheaper to buy her her own for when she moves out, than having to get another copy of PS |
| 07:31.28 | Ktron | I hope you do krem |
| 07:31.36 | Depherios | I've recently been using Painter more than photoshop for my own stuff though |
| 07:31.37 | Kremonte | why is that? =P |
| 07:31.43 | Ktron | yeah, true Cairenn |
| 07:31.44 | Cairenn | meh, I can still do stuff in PSP, and for some things I actually find it easier |
| 07:32.21 | Gryphen | psp here too |
| 07:32.29 | Cairenn | and the latest PSP looks and acts *very* much like PS now |
| 07:32.48 | Cairenn | she doesn't actually want to upgrade, because of the changes in the way it's laid out |
| 07:32.59 | Ktron | heh |
| 07:33.00 | Gryphen | ya its nice |
| 07:33.22 | Cairenn | if my PS wasn't gifty, I'd still probably be using PSP ... |
| 07:33.40 | Cairenn | PS is 'spensive |
| 07:33.42 | Ktron | I've been trying to find good tutorials on how to make interface graphics, esp. GIMP tutorials, but I could probably figure out how to do anything in PS using GIMP now |
| 07:33.48 | Ktron | I like hte price of GIMP too ;) |
| 07:33.56 | Gryphen | i tried ps a few times, just cant get used to the setup, been using psp too long |
| 07:34.10 | Cairenn | I liked the price of PSP until they got bought out by Corel |
| 07:34.37 | Depherios | Cair: your PSP went up, my Painter went down ^_^ |
| 07:34.43 | Depherios | I <3 Corel XD |
| 07:34.55 | Gryphen | still $100 |
| 07:34.56 | Cairenn | heh, I used to Depherios |
| 07:35.20 | Cairenn | Gryphen: I had PSP from the days when it was free, and because I had it from then, upgrades were free, too |
| 07:35.36 | Gryphen | i get em free too..... |
| 07:35.37 | Cairenn | wasn't until it was bought out by Corel that I ever had to pay for upgrades |
| 07:36.27 | Cairenn | Depherios: I used to *swear* by Corel, I *much* preferred WordPerfect to Word, but ... meh, every office I worked in lately used MS, so |
| 07:36.55 | Cairenn | I think I've actually finally managed to forget WP |
| 07:37.09 | Cairenn | used to be I could switch back and forth np, but it's been so long now ... |
| 07:37.39 | Tem | For clarification, in an alpha channel, white is opaque and black is transparent? |
| 07:38.14 | Cairenn | unh |
| 07:38.42 | Gryphen | i havent used wp since dos days |
| 07:39.00 | Ktron | I started on msword, then staroffice, then openoffice, then back to msword |
| 07:39.19 | Ktron | and generalize that for excel/ppoint etc |
| 07:40.32 | Cairenn | Tem: correct, white == opaque, black == transparent |
| 07:40.39 | Depherios | I should've gotten mouse certified back when I knew it all |
| 07:40.58 | Tem | Thanks Cairenn |
| 07:41.10 | Cairenn | and damnit, where the fuck did I save *my* ui files! |
| 07:41.21 | Kremonte | hahaha |
| 07:41.22 | Cairenn | don't tell me I lost them |
| 07:41.24 | Kremonte | female tauren warlock |
| 07:41.29 | Kremonte | tallstrider mount |
| 07:41.47 | Depherios | wow |
| 07:41.47 | Cairenn | oh, whew, there they are |
| 07:41.51 | Depherios | that is the worst english ever |
| 07:41.51 | Cairenn | I was about ready to cry |
| 07:41.53 | Depherios | allowed? |
| 07:42.03 | Cairenn | fornication under consent of king |
| 07:42.08 | Depherios | when at hearing |
| 07:42.10 | Cairenn | f.u.c.k. |
| 07:42.15 | Depherios | XD |
| 07:42.29 | Cairenn | middle english |
| 07:42.32 | Cairenn | OLD word |
| 07:42.42 | Tem | holy crap lewis black is funny |
| 07:42.44 | Depherios | it's anglo-saxon and you know it XD |
| 07:42.47 | Cairenn | been around forever |
| 07:43.10 | Kremonte | hrm thats odd |
| 07:43.15 | Kremonte | i have all the tauren texture files copied |
| 07:43.21 | Kremonte | but its still mistexctured badly |
| 07:44.43 | Cairenn | also, purportedly "for unlawful carnal knowledge" |
| 07:44.59 | Cairenn | but that theory is crap |
| 07:45.33 | Depherios | banish the use of the four-letter words, whose meanings are never obscure! The anglos, the saxons those hardy old birds were vulgar, obscene and impure! |
| 07:45.34 | Cairenn | and on that interesting history lesson ... night all |
| 07:46.02 | Depherios | But cherish the use of the weasling phrase that never quite says what you mean, you'd better be known for your hypocrite ways than as vulgar, obscene and impure |
| 07:46.04 | Kremonte | nn cair |
| 07:46.04 | Depherios | XD |
| 07:46.07 | Depherios | G'night |
| 07:47.13 | Tem | night cair |
| 07:47.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge AnduinLothar (n=KarlKFI@adsl-68-120-84-107.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 07:47.59 | AnduinLothar | are we there yet? |
| 07:48.00 | Cairenn|sleep | Tem |
| 07:48.14 | AnduinLothar | gasp.. ur not asleep |
| 07:48.29 | Cairenn|sleep | only *just* changed my nick now, just heading off |
| 07:48.30 | Kremonte | 02:46 ] : Cairenn[n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] is now known as Cairenn|sleep |
| 07:48.30 | Kremonte | [ 02:47 ] [Tem] night cair |
| 07:48.30 | Kremonte | [ 02:47 ] : AnduinLothar[n=KarlKFI@adsl-68-120-84-107.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #WoWI-Lounge |
| 07:48.39 | Kremonte | not quite asleep! |
| 07:48.40 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 07:49.15 | Cairenn|sleep | Tem! wake up, you've been looking for him |
| 07:49.23 | Cairenn|sleep | AnduinLothar: did you get the message from Alex? |
| 07:49.29 | Tem | aha! |
| 07:49.32 | AnduinLothar | mmm, which? |
| 07:49.33 | Tem | finaly |
| 07:49.42 | Cairenn|sleep | email him |
| 07:49.44 | Gryphen | i sent you an email about it AnduinLothar |
| 07:50.09 | Cairenn|sleep | okay, gryphen's got ya covered, and Tem is awake and aware now, so I"m out |
| 07:50.09 | Kremonte | what would be a comedic race for a warlock? |
| 07:50.15 | Kremonte | i can't get skinning right for tauren =( |
| 07:50.19 | AnduinLothar | what's the topic? my bulk mail mighta ate it |
| 07:50.42 | Gryphen | Alexander apperance |
| 07:50.54 | Cairenn|sleep | PM'd him with the info Gryphen ;) |
| 07:51.51 | AnduinLothar | ah, but AlexanderYoshi isn't REALLY here.. |
| 07:51.59 | Cairenn|sleep | no, you are right, he isn't |
| 07:52.33 | Tem | AnduinLothar: I was poking at ChatBar and I had some suggestions, but I've completely forgotten them |
| 07:52.39 | Tem | but now I have a questsion |
| 07:52.45 | Tem | question* |
| 07:52.50 | AnduinLothar | ya, it has a few issues ive fixed |
| 07:52.56 | Tem | oh! I remember one |
| 07:53.13 | Ktron | Hey, anyone use the windows version of gtk-theme-switch? because I can't find it |
| 07:53.14 | Tem | Let the user show/hide stuff |
| 07:53.39 | AnduinLothar | meh.. whatdya wanna use? |
| 07:53.41 | Fanook | stardock perhaps? |
| 07:54.12 | Tem | for example, I really only want to show guild, officer, raid, and party |
| 07:54.13 | Ktron | Fanook, was that too me? stardock does windows theming, I just want to meddle with my windows gtk themes |
| 07:54.32 | Fanook | ktron: yeah. dont use gtk all that much |
| 07:54.34 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.39 | Tem | yeah |
| 07:54.56 | Fanook | ktron: and i hate stardock, impossible to get it out of yer system once you've installed it |
| 07:55.00 | Tem | just change those show functions to check settings |
| 07:55.10 | Tem | where the user can specify overrides |
| 07:55.23 | Tem | because I can't think of an accurate way to see if a person can see officer chat |
| 07:56.14 | Tem | Anyway, I have a question |
| 07:56.23 | AnduinLothar | meh, means i have to make sub menus with show/hide/or default option |
| 07:56.33 | Tem | yes, |
| 07:56.35 | Tem | yes it does |
| 07:56.45 | Tem | I see that you use an edgefile |
| 07:56.48 | AnduinLothar | was avoiding submenus |
| 07:56.52 | Tem | How does that work? |
| 07:57.00 | AnduinLothar | edgefile? |
| 07:57.17 | Tem | chatborder.tga |
| 07:57.27 | Tem | chatbar.xml line 73 |
| 07:57.38 | AnduinLothar | oh, right |
| 07:58.00 | Gryphen | Karl check pm when you get a chance |
| 07:58.02 | AnduinLothar | ya, It's a pain and a half. learned it back when i made TellTrack resizable |
| 07:58.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ToastTheif (i=ToastThe@24-177-164-255.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 07:58.18 | Tem | yeah, so.. how does it work? |
| 07:58.26 | ToastTheif | hey is Zeeg online anywhere? |
| 07:58.29 | AnduinLothar | ya gryphon, just cant read all ur addon atm |
| 07:58.34 | Gryphen | np |
| 07:58.55 | Gryphen | zeeg is on cosmostesters |
| 07:59.57 | AnduinLothar | oh, your insert is wrong.... not sure what you're trying to do but i'm sure it's not to insert one table with an abstract table as a key |
| 08:00.34 | Cairenn|sleep | ToastTheif: irc.datavertex.com #cosmostesters |
| 08:00.42 | AnduinLothar | you have table.insert(var, table, table) which is incorrect syntax |
| 08:00.46 | ToastTheif | thanks cair, I figured it out anyway tho |
| 08:01.17 | AnduinLothar | er table.insert(table, table, table) even |
| 08:01.22 | Gryphen | i was trying to copy mobileframes |
| 08:01.37 | AnduinLothar | positive it doesn't so that |
| 08:01.43 | AnduinLothar | do* |
| 08:02.12 | pagefault | I wonder if I can get a highlight setup for lua for editplus |
| 08:02.31 | pagefault | oh yay there is |
| 08:02.35 | AnduinLothar | oh man.. the pastebin hightlight for lua is awful.. |
| 08:02.37 | Ktron | pagefault: definitely, one of the few editors I know there's highlighting for |
| 08:02.56 | AnduinLothar | who decided grey font was readable |
| 08:03.14 | Tem | so.. how does using edgefiles work? |
| 08:03.17 | Gryphen | i have highlight for ultraedit |
| 08:03.20 | AnduinLothar | sec tem |
| 08:03.39 | AnduinLothar | ya, i got highlight in smultron, just means i have to save the file and open it |
| 08:04.10 | Gryphen | i tried learning from a couple other addons, the tables throw me a bit |
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| 08:04.46 | Gryphen | so the locals there are not right i know, just an example of what i am trying to get at |
| 08:04.47 | ToastTheif | Cair, what channel is Zeeg in again? heh |
| 08:04.59 | AnduinLothar | ok um what is local optionsframe = myAddOnsKhaosList[name][optionsframe]; spose to do gryph? |
| 08:05.11 | Gryphen | irc.datavertex.com/cosmostesters |
| 08:05.23 | AnduinLothar | cause u don't have optionsframe global or locally defined |
| 08:06.20 | Gryphen | it is supposed to hook myaddons registrations, optionsframe is the config frame for the addon registering |
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| 08:07.55 | AnduinLothar | ok, well optionsframe doesn't exists and you can declare it with a nil |
| 08:08.08 | AnduinLothar | you'll get an indxign a nil error |
| 08:08.53 | AnduinLothar | as for the insert I think you missed a set or containing brackets |
| 08:09.03 | Gryphen | http://www.gryphonllc.com/temp/Image2.jpg |
| 08:09.18 | Ktron | alright, time for me to sleep |
| 08:09.37 | Cairenn|sleep | night Ktron |
| 08:11.30 | AnduinLothar | oh and btw gtph, 4 space tab stops are far superior |
| 08:11.44 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 08:12.03 | Gryphen | i hate tab |
| 08:12.05 | Cairenn|sleep | meh, am I the only traditionalist? 5 spaces ftw |
| 08:12.14 | AnduinLothar | ew |
| 08:12.15 | Cairenn|sleep | o.m.g. |
| 08:12.20 | AnduinLothar | 4 spaces |
| 08:12.23 | AnduinLothar | all the way |
| 08:12.26 | Gryphen | tabs always look diff in different editors |
| 08:12.27 | Ktron | 4, or 3 if I think I'm going to indent a lot |
| 08:12.33 | Ktron | ftw ftw |
| 08:12.48 | Depherios | 4 ftw |
| 08:12.50 | Cairenn|sleep | heh, you sleep as well as I do Ktron ;) |
| 08:12.57 | AnduinLothar | 4 is tradition for anyone who'se programmed since hard drives were invented |
| 08:13.10 | Ktron|sleep | heh, now we even match |
| 08:13.18 | Kremonte | 5 spaces? |
| 08:13.20 | Kremonte | ew |
| 08:13.24 | Ktron|sleep | purl, Cairenn|sleep |
| 08:13.30 | Cairenn|sleep | 5 is traditional ever since typewriters were invented :p |
| 08:13.32 | Kremonte | 4 is good, tab is good. |
| 08:13.36 | Ktron|sleep | heh |
| 08:13.42 | Ktron|sleep | superlagging purl ftl |
| 08:13.46 | Kremonte | lol, programming on a typewriter |
| 08:13.48 | Kremonte | sounds fun |
| 08:14.02 | AnduinLothar | ahh, ok you want local optionsframe = myAddOnsKhaosList[name]["optionsframe"]; grtphon |
| 08:14.09 | AnduinLothar | or local optionsframe = myAddOnsKhaosList[name].optionsframe; |
| 08:14.37 | AnduinLothar | try this: http://gryphon.pastebin.com/477414 |
| 08:14.43 | Gryphen | well i havent even gotten that far, i cant get just name to work lol |
| 08:15.04 | Cairenn|sleep | in my day, sonny, we used a typewrite and 5 space tab stops and we liked it by golly! |
| 08:15.05 | Gryphen | i just through that in for pastebin sake to demonstrate what i was trying to do |
| 08:15.17 | AnduinLothar | oh right |
| 08:15.37 | AnduinLothar | local name = myAddOnsKhaosList.name; or local name = myAddOnsKhaosList["name"]; |
| 08:15.37 | Kremonte | Cairenn|sleep... grow down |
| 08:15.44 | Cairenn|sleep | ;) |
| 08:15.52 | Gryphen | k |
| 08:16.13 | AnduinLothar | if you use name in brackets it thinks it's a variable which evals to nil |
| 08:16.14 | Kremonte | hm. |
| 08:16.21 | Kremonte | why are unitframes so laggy ;_; |
| 08:17.19 | AnduinLothar | and your insert was missing a containing braces around the two tables |
| 08:18.14 | AnduinLothar | oh and btw MF is not something you should be copying, it's an old fogy |
| 08:18.24 | AnduinLothar | copy arch |
| 08:18.30 | AnduinLothar | which is prettier |
| 08:18.40 | Gryphen | it was the first one that came to mind that had looping optionsets |
| 08:19.08 | AnduinLothar | ya, it was the first one i experimented on |
| 08:19.31 | AnduinLothar | it is begging to be rewritten |
| 08:19.35 | AnduinLothar | but that's boring |
| 08:19.42 | Gryphen | ya hehe |
| 08:19.48 | Gryphen | i have a few projects like that |
| 08:19.49 | AnduinLothar | much more fun makign toys like ChatBar |
| 08:20.00 | AnduinLothar | anyway.. tem |
| 08:20.09 | AnduinLothar | have you experiemented with them at all? |
| 08:20.09 | Tem | I think I figured it out |
| 08:20.31 | AnduinLothar | TellTrack and ChatBar are my only two examples, |
| 08:20.46 | Tem | I compared chatbar with the tooltip border |
| 08:20.53 | AnduinLothar | I would copy ChatBar for it's layering, but the edgefile works out |
| 08:21.01 | AnduinLothar | wouldn't* |
| 08:21.22 | Tem | I wasn't planning on copying anything |
| 08:21.29 | Tem | I just like knowing how to do stuff |
| 08:21.36 | AnduinLothar | telltrack border makes more sense cause it's bigger and has actual 4 sides |
| 08:22.09 | Tem | but the way you do the highlights seems really "around the block to go next door" |
| 08:22.16 | AnduinLothar | rather than ChatBar which we had to figure out how to make a neutral bg still be solid and yet not seen |
| 08:22.43 | Gryphen | hmm not sure local num = table.getn(myAddOnsKhaosList); is working |
| 08:22.53 | Gryphen | nothing shows up with your fixes still |
| 08:22.59 | Gryphen | /z local num = table.getn(myAddOnsKhaosList) Sea.IO.print(num) |
| 08:23.01 | Gryphen | returns 0 |
| 08:23.03 | AnduinLothar | ya, that's what i was saying. the highlights and shadows were a pain in the rear because if you embed them in the orig file the dynamic coloring makes um colored |
| 08:24.01 | AnduinLothar | and there aren't enough layers to have a bg tex and a mid tex and a highlight tex AND an alpha overlay |
| 08:24.55 | Tem | oh |
| 08:24.56 | AnduinLothar | and them i had to have independant mouseover highlight and flashing highlight.... which meant 2 alphas |
| 08:25.01 | Tem | is that what the problem is? |
| 08:25.24 | AnduinLothar | so I needed 5 layers when only 3 where availible |
| 08:25.29 | Tem | why does the dynamic coloring screw with it? |
| 08:26.07 | AnduinLothar | because if you dynamicly vertex shade black or white they both change hues |
| 08:26.08 | Tem | and I think I may be missing something entirely, I wasn't aware that tga's had layers at all |
| 08:26.32 | AnduinLothar | and i need my shadow to be black and my highligh to be an alpha white |
| 08:26.54 | AnduinLothar | asorry, shadow and specularity |
| 08:27.06 | AnduinLothar | the highlight itself also needs to be dynamicly colored |
| 08:27.23 | Tem | sounds like a pain |
| 08:27.25 | Tem | a big pain |
| 08:27.29 | Tain | TGAs don't have layers specifically, but they can have at least two channels, colors and alpha. |
| 08:27.39 | AnduinLothar | i tried it with just 2,3, and 4 layers but they all looked like crap |
| 08:27.52 | AnduinLothar | i mean xml layers |
| 08:27.59 | Tem | well I must say the final looks really nice |
| 08:28.37 | Tem | I'll have to play with it when I have time |
| 08:28.40 | Tem | for now, I need sleep |
| 08:29.53 | AnduinLothar | there's actually 5 draw layers, but I couldn't use the bottone two because the bottom one is absolute and the 2nd is the border which was being used for the bar border |
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| 08:30.55 | AnduinLothar | so what i really needed was 7 layers.. or a method to vertex color without changing the hue |
| 08:31.07 | AnduinLothar | er, not hue... |
| 08:31.11 | AnduinLothar | what's that called.. |
| 08:31.17 | AnduinLothar | darkness |
| 08:32.11 | Fanook | shade? |
| 08:32.19 | AnduinLothar | anyway, that's what i came up with, but the code's a pain cause wow wasn't designed to have robustly and dynamicly colored texture elements |
| 08:32.23 | Tain | haha that rules, "At least two hot women were hired to wear ridiculously short miniskirts with Kodak logoed panties underneath and then drop things on the convention floor and pick them up." |
| 08:32.50 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 08:33.12 | AnduinLothar | sick |
| 08:33.27 | AnduinLothar | 1000's of people say that form of advertizement.. |
| 08:33.31 | AnduinLothar | saw* |
| 08:33.52 | Tain | I can't say it's a good thing, but it's funny as hell to me. |
| 08:34.11 | AnduinLothar | uh huh, sure cair |
| 08:34.11 | Cairenn|sleep | night all |
| 08:34.17 | Tain | ni ni Cairenn |
| 08:34.20 | Cairenn|sleep | *poof* |
| 08:34.39 | MoonWolf | night cair |
| 08:34.42 | AnduinLothar | "Are you saying 'Ni' to this poor old woman" |
| 08:34.43 | MoonWolf | happy birthday me. |
| 08:34.54 | Tem|sleep | Get me a shrubbery! |
| 08:35.08 | Tain | Ah what sad times are these when passing ruffians may say Ni at will to old women |
| 08:35.18 | Fanook | Nu! |
| 08:35.35 | Tain | Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear MoonWolf happy birthday to you |
| 08:35.44 | MoonWolf | and now, breakfast. |
| 08:35.46 | AnduinLothar | no no no.... Ni liek this... Ni! |
| 08:35.54 | Tem|sleep | oh, someone please be helpful to this person, I'm too tired to explain switching TurnOrActionStart/Stop and MoveOrActionStart functions... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=284763&p=1&tmp=1#post284763 |
| 08:36.13 | Tain | I'm having Mcdonalds at 3:30am, does that count as breakfast? |
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| 08:40.49 | AnduinLothar | oh right, duh gryphon |
| 08:41.09 | AnduinLothar | getn wont work cause you're not use insert to populate it with numerical indexes |
| 08:41.19 | Gryphen | ah |
| 08:41.39 | AnduinLothar | but you dont need it |
| 08:42.17 | Gryphen | how is it done? |
| 08:42.48 | Tain | Woah awesome, someone ported Hunt the Wumpus to a BASIC interpreter running through Javascript in a browser. |
| 08:42.59 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 08:45.31 | AnduinLothar | http://gryphon.pastebin.com/477426 |
| 08:49.19 | Gryphen | i see, thanks |
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| 09:11.48 | Gryphen | time for bed, thanks for the help karl |
| 09:13.28 | AnduinLothar | np, night |
| 09:31.41 | oxman | :) |
| 09:31.55 | AnduinLothar | whatre u siling for? |
| 09:31.59 | AnduinLothar | smiling* |
| 09:35.20 | oxman | i smile often |
| 09:35.37 | AnduinLothar | glad to hear it |
| 09:35.46 | AnduinLothar | i wish i smiled more often |
| 09:57.46 | oxman | do a smile |
| 09:57.48 | oxman | without raison |
| 09:57.54 | oxman | you will be more happy |
| 09:58.02 | oxman | it's one secret of the happyness |
| 09:58.45 | oxman | happiness |
| 09:58.46 | oxman | ;) |
| 10:08.20 | AlexanderYoshi | Happiness is not having what you want. Its wanting what you have. |
| 10:08.37 | Kolth | I've never heard that. |
| 10:08.44 | Kolth | That's kinda awesome. |
| 10:09.02 | AnduinLothar | why look, It's alex |
| 10:09.17 | AnduinLothar | I want an alex |
| 10:09.21 | AnduinLothar | :-D |
| 10:12.16 | AnduinLothar | i used to say those new age quotish things all the time |
| 10:12.27 | AnduinLothar | wonder what happened that i stopped using them |
| 10:13.43 | oxman | AlexanderYoshi: it's the second secret of happiness ;) |
| 10:13.56 | AnduinLothar | oh, that's right... my heart got broken another half dozen times |
| 10:14.06 | oxman | i do my life like that since many years |
| 10:14.27 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, gotta be a way to rectify this.. |
| 10:20.26 | AlexanderYoshi | Its not new agey |
| 10:20.38 | AlexanderYoshi | Its a simple truism. |
| 10:21.09 | AnduinLothar | that's the word i was lookign for |
| 10:21.22 | AlexanderYoshi | well, goodnight |
| 10:21.30 | AlexanderYoshi | We have some extra money in the coffers btw |
| 10:21.40 | AlexanderYoshi | pick out a few people to give christmas bonuses too |
| 10:21.49 | AnduinLothar | ah, that's the info you wanted |
| 10:21.53 | AlexanderYoshi | Yep. |
| 10:21.56 | AnduinLothar | ok |
| 10:22.06 | AlexanderYoshi | We got a nice sized donation this past week or so |
| 10:22.15 | AlexanderYoshi | Rest well |
| 10:22.26 | AnduinLothar | oh yeah? lump or just larger than avg ? |
| 10:22.30 | AlexanderYoshi | Lump |
| 10:22.34 | AnduinLothar | nifty |
| 10:22.43 | AlexanderYoshi | Give me porportions and I'll split it between them |
| 10:22.55 | AnduinLothar | i'll see what i can do |
| 10:24.02 | AnduinLothar | maybe base it on commits + forum posts + irc helpfulness |
| 10:26.06 | AnduinLothar | AlexanderYoshi should i do it based on recent activity or yearly? |
| 10:29.02 | AnduinLothar | meh.... responsibility.. |
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| 13:13.10 | id` | i can actually like "play" wow now |
| 13:27.25 | Elkano | grats :) |
| 13:27.40 | Elkano | should get a newone too... |
| 13:27.50 | Elkano | or at least some more ram |
| 13:50.20 | id` | http://pastebin.com/477566 |
| 13:50.43 | id` | I have another question too. As you might notice i am going to replace things in my chat frame |
| 13:50.53 | id` | in fact im already changing the output by adding a time stamp |
| 13:51.04 | id` | my question is if this has any impact on other addons that use the chat frame |
| 13:51.51 | id` | It's just an addon i'm not releasing yet because i need to work on my skills and i want to be confident that this works for other people aswell |
| 13:52.00 | id` | myself i dont use any other addons that use the chat frame to do things |
| 13:52.14 | id` | thats why i fused about 3 addons in one to do their job with 3kb |
| 13:52.19 | id` | :] |
| 13:56.29 | Elkano | depends on the way you're doing it. you are hooking the AddMessage function, don't you? So if there is another addon that hooks it, too as long as you dont break the hook chain and you dont change the data in a way the other addon can't work with, you should be fine |
| 13:58.22 | id` | nah i look up the ChatFrame1AddMessage method and make it my own method and call that instead |
| 13:58.31 | id` | wafter adding a timestamp etc |
| 13:58.53 | id` | however i highlighted a part in that code, that's where the error is.. |
| 13:58.56 | Elkano | well, you intercept the original call, add the stamp and then recall the original function |
| 13:59.11 | id` | hm |
| 13:59.15 | id` | what i should od is call my own |
| 13:59.26 | id` | but that would make it show the original AND my own, right? |
| 13:59.55 | id` | so how do i make the original one shut up but still be there :> |
| 14:02.53 | Elkano | for your error: try ['[Guild]'] = 'G:' |
| 14:03.47 | Elkano | and I haven't worked with ace myself, I'm still doing 'native' hooks. |
| 14:05.45 | Elkano | but I think the way you hook should be working and safe for other addons as long as they are not matching the text from AddMessage using a patern that doesn't fit anymore after you added the stamp. |
| 14:06.00 | Elkano | But most addons matching chat messages will use the event I suppose |
| 14:06.10 | id` | yah i guess |
| 14:06.34 | id` | and if i ever run into problems im sure the other addon makers are willing to elaborate on the matter and/or alter their regexes |
| 14:06.41 | id` | :) |
| 14:07.33 | Elkano | well, I think the only problem would be if they explicitly check for a pattern at the start of a line |
| 14:12.05 | id` | yeah |
| 14:23.48 | id` | for r in self:replaces do |
| 14:23.48 | id` | msg = string.gsub(msg, r, self:replaces[r]) |
| 14:23.48 | id` | end |
| 14:23.58 | id` | replaces = { |
| 14:23.59 | id` | ['[Guild]']='G:', |
| 14:24.06 | id` | how is this not right? |
| 14:25.47 | Elkano | for key, value in self:replace do msg = string.gsub(msg, key, value) end ? |
| 14:26.10 | Elkano | hmm.. is lua making a difference between ' and "? |
| 14:27.28 | Elkano | well, I'm afk for a bit... |
| 14:29.30 | id` | o right, it are pairs |
| 14:29.43 | id` | lua is so straightforward |
| 14:29.46 | id` | :] |
| 14:29.59 | id` | I'm beginning to see how it is so clean |
| 14:45.10 | id` | cool i made wow crash |
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| 15:05.43 | id` | irssi standalone for windows NT |
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| 15:09.46 | Elkano | well, I managed to make WoW crash/freeze once to... built a loop that didn't finish ^^' |
| 15:21.03 | norganna | Well, it's just turned midnight here, so Merry Christmas / Happy Hanukkah (tomorrow) to all! And if your given religion doesn't celebrate anything tomorrow/today, have a great day anyhow. |
| 15:23.00 | Elkano | kurisumasu omedetô gozaimasu :) |
| 15:28.06 | norganna | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.34 | id` | merry christmas norganna :) |
| 15:28.44 | id` | AUS? |
| 15:29.05 | norganna | yes |
| 15:29.08 | id` | :] |
| 15:29.26 | norganna | Kurisumasu = christmas |
| 15:29.49 | Tain | Domo arrigato Mr. Roboto. |
| 15:29.57 | id` | hehe Tain |
| 15:30.20 | Elkano | as id' said :) it's Japanese |
| 15:30.41 | norganna | omedetô = new-year? |
| 15:31.31 | Elkano | no, omedetô = happy (as in happy birthday), merry (as in merry X-mas). adding gozaimasu makes it even more polite |
| 15:31.57 | norganna | omedetô gozaimasu = congratulations? |
| 15:32.07 | Elkano | you could say so, yes |
| 15:32.35 | Elkano | as said, gozaimasu makes it more polite, so you could skip it, too |
| 15:32.48 | norganna | kurisiumasu is an imitation of christmas, right? |
| 15:33.22 | norganna | like it's meant to sound similar? |
| 15:33.50 | Elkano | yes, they don't have the characters to write it in an other way :) |
| 15:34.05 | Elkano | ku-ri-su-ma-su |
| 15:35.49 | norganna | i always regretted doing french at school over japanese... french and german are easy to pick up, learning japanese would have been more useful |
| 15:36.09 | norganna | but they didn't offer japanese until the year after me. |
| 15:36.44 | Tain | I like German because it sounds angry no matter what you say. |
| 15:36.52 | norganna | hehe |
| 15:37.08 | norganna | kinda like klingon in that way :) |
| 15:39.30 | Elkano | well, I know so who speaks klingon fluid :) |
| 15:40.15 | MoonWolf | if there is people who speak it its a real language |
| 15:40.35 | Elkano | @tain -> http://elftor.com/elftor.php?number=161 |
| 15:41.35 | Elkano | btw: norganna, I was 'forced' to learn Frensh, too :/ picked Japanese at university :) |
| 15:41.51 | MoonWolf | greek and latin for the win |
| 15:42.09 | id` | ku-ri-su-ma-su <--- heh |
| 15:42.33 | MoonWolf | id`, has been looking at that my life as a teenage robot again. |
| 15:42.45 | id` | MoonWolf: no :< |
| 15:43.23 | MoonWolf | oh, well ignore that then. |
| 15:43.54 | id` | MoonWolf: i bought me 2*256MB PC2700 333Mhz RAM (notebook) |
| 15:44.04 | id` | for my laptop |
| 15:44.12 | id` | i can actually _play_ wow now |
| 15:44.17 | id` | ^____________^ |
| 15:44.30 | MoonWolf | i know, you told me already. i got a new creative headset for my birthday |
| 15:44.59 | id` | MoonWolf: ding! id`: grats |
| 15:45.08 | id` | ^^ |
| 15:45.27 | MoonWolf | https://www.dynabyte.nl/hardware.php?i=371 |
| 15:45.57 | id` | Q: can i edit xml (AceBarFrames) and then just do a reloadui in game and it would work? (i need to move buffs around) |
| 15:46.13 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 15:46.16 | id` | cool |
| 15:46.17 | id` | :) |
| 15:46.24 | Elkano | I know I've forgotten sth... O-tanjôbi omedetô gozaimasu MoonWolf :) |
| 15:46.27 | id` | screenshots will follow |
| 15:46.34 | MoonWolf | every file that was loaded before the reloads will be reloaded. |
| 15:47.24 | Elkano | btw: anyone ever hat the problem that reloadUI would break some addons? |
| 15:47.46 | id` | \nope |
| 15:48.06 | Elkano | I've Nurfed hud disapering and atlas throwing an error :/ |
| 15:48.24 | MoonWolf | weird. |
| 15:50.05 | MoonWolf | my japanese friends fail at being online so i cannot give you a japanese response too that Elkano |
| 15:55.42 | MoonWolf | id has lost his terminal |
| 16:03.41 | Ktron|sleep | purl, find the terminal |
| 16:05.32 | Ktron|sleep | alright, time to learn how to program my own bot so I can teach him more tricks |
| 16:16.41 | norganna | i tried to teach purl how to say merry christmas in 22 languages but it didn't like the "illegal characters", oh well |
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| 16:18.21 | MoonWolf | and they still sound perfect without any sign of static. |
| 16:18.39 | Ktron|sleep | heh heh heh |
| 16:19.12 | Ktron | alright, bb |
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| 16:20.00 | krka | no illegal characters in "God jul" |
| 16:22.30 | norganna | http://pastebin.com/477668 |
| 16:22.41 | norganna | that's what i tried to do |
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| 16:25.04 | norgs|Hohoho | niteynite all |
| 16:25.14 | id` | Anyone have experience with making textures for wow? |
| 16:25.20 | id` | I seek to make my own 'bar' texture |
| 16:25.35 | id` | But i have two left hands when it comes to PhotoShop |
| 16:27.44 | id` | altered AceBarFrames a bit: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4268/wowscrnshot1224051725534la.jpg |
| 16:28.15 | id` | I think i might lose the 1px 50% backgrounds though |
| 16:28.21 | id` | :) |
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| 16:28.36 | MoonWolf | id`, king of minimal |
| 16:29.24 | id` | \o/ |
| 16:29.27 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.29 | id` | / \ |
| 16:29.47 | id` | MoonWolf: note my name |
| 16:29.53 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 16:30.17 | id` | for the rest, badeend(je) means little ducky (the one you take a bath with (and ernie takes a bath with \o/)) |
| 16:30.22 | id` | in dutch |
| 16:30.35 | id` | because we all know sesamestreet is dutch anyway :> |
| 16:30.42 | MoonWolf | real good tauren name. |
| 16:32.06 | id` | :] |
| 16:33.22 | id` | now, to (re)do my buttons |
| 16:33.30 | MoonWolf | again ? |
| 16:34.42 | id` | yep |
| 16:34.49 | id` | i lost all my wow stuff |
| 16:34.54 | id` | im reconfiguring everything |
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| 17:02.27 | ForgottenLords | Lordy... |
| 17:03.14 | ForgottenLords | I'm really beginning to hate the /who method of retrieving character info from an addon |
| 17:03.49 | ForgottenLords | *for |
| 17:20.22 | AnduinLothar | amen |
| 17:21.00 | AnduinLothar | why look, cair got as little sleepas i did |
| 17:21.01 | Cairenn | Merry Christmas norgs|Hohoho, Happy Birthday MoonWolf |
| 17:21.16 | MoonWolf | thank you, again. |
| 17:27.57 | Elkano | Happy (whatever) Cairenn :) |
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| 17:29.04 | Beladona | alo |
| 17:29.56 | Cairenn | hey Bela |
| 17:30.59 | Beladona | leaving for vacation tomorrow =) |
| 17:32.46 | Cairenn | Have a safe and fun time :) |
| 17:33.20 | Beladona | have internet there, so I will be on, although not much |
| 17:34.12 | Cairenn | I likely won't be around much myself for the next, oh, 3 weeks |
| 17:35.03 | Osagasu | yar yar yar! |
| 17:35.14 | Osagasu | merry christmas, salty scallywags! |
| 17:35.28 | Cairenn | and to you Osagasu :) |
| 17:36.02 | Osagasu | Ol' Captain Salty Santa goin t' bring ye loot, landlubber? |
| 17:36.30 | Cairenn | Hehehehe, my loot arrives in about .... 5 hrs :) |
| 17:36.45 | Cairenn | That's when I pick hubby up from the airport :) |
| 17:36.47 | Osagasu | Remember Cair, too much CAN kill |
| 17:36.56 | Osagasu | die of exhaustion |
| 17:37.11 | Osagasu | :d |
| 17:37.29 | Beladona | die well, and leave a sexy corpse |
| 17:37.53 | Beladona | anyway, to the store I must go. Be back later |
| 17:37.53 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 17:45.04 | Osagasu | I for one do not want the first time I actually meet everyone ele round here to be when we all went to Canada to pay last respects because Cair got what she wanted for christmas. |
| 17:45.10 | Osagasu | *else |
| 17:46.36 | Cairenn | no worries Osagasu :) |
| 17:49.41 | Osagasu | roit. |
| 17:56.15 | Osagasu | I'll be back later |
| 17:56.28 | Cairenn | later Osagasu :) |
| 18:01.44 | Cairenn | hrm, kiddo's been out cold for 15 hrs straight now .... suppose I should probably go wake her now |
| 18:10.42 | MoonWolf | 15hr's that is nothing. |
| 18:12.03 | Cide | that's what 48 hours of coding does to you! |
| 18:12.42 | MoonWolf | well, 48 hours of anything does that to you to be honest. |
| 18:13.17 | Cide | not sleeping ;) |
| 18:13.55 | MoonWolf | how funny of you cide. |
| 18:14.07 | Cide | I know, but nobody laughed |
| 18:14.13 | id` | ha ha :-) |
| 18:14.19 | id` | --^ *cough* |
| 18:14.21 | Cide | sweet, thanks id` |
| 18:20.52 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:20.53 | id` | I'm lvl 13 but havent got my earth totem >_> |
| 18:21.02 | id` | I'm doing my fire totem quest now |
| 18:21.13 | id` | seems i cant also do the earth totem at the same time |
| 18:21.18 | id` | sigh... |
| 18:21.36 | Elkano | I hated the fire quests :/ damn mountain :/ |
| 18:24.16 | MoonWolf | automagicaly(WORK); |
| 18:26.27 | Fanook | earth and fire werent that bad, once you found the peaks. now water, on the other hand.... |
| 18:27.07 | MoonWolf | NSFW http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=5DL_81T-U8M |
| 18:27.39 | Elkano | or wind ;) |
| 18:29.11 | Fanook | havent gotten that far. my horde chars have stalled in their mid-20's |
| 18:29.54 | Elkano | well, my main, a shaman, is 45 by now... playing since 10 month :/ |
| 18:31.37 | Fanook | Moonwolf: that was.....different |
| 18:32.57 | Cairenn | MoonWolf: unhhhhh ubuuh? |
| 18:36.54 | Elkano | omg :) |
| 18:40.07 | MoonWolf | elkano looked too.l |
| 18:40.09 | MoonWolf | :P |
| 18:40.19 | MoonWolf | look at it people, you must LOOOOOK! |
| 18:41.06 | Elkano | if it would be that easy with girls :( |
| 18:42.06 | MoonWolf | dislaimer: girls in any kind of video do not resemble the way real girls act. |
| 18:48.32 | Cairenn | no, really? you think? |
| 18:49.34 | MoonWolf | yes i do, im only making sure other people realise that. |
| 19:53.55 | Kremonte | LOL @ sexy english |
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| 19:59.49 | Osagasu | alright, I'm back |
| 20:00.08 | Osagasu | I had to go set up the tree in my grandmother's house for tomorrow |
| 20:04.39 | Osagasu | Something I would call cruel and unusual punishment if it was meant as such. :/ |
| 20:05.21 | MoonWolf | indeed |
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| 20:07.59 | Osagasu | My grandmother died back in October. |
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| 21:01.15 | Beladona | hi |
| 21:02.57 | Kolth | Hello! (as he drinks his egg nog coffee concoction) |
| 21:03.27 | MoonWolf | kolth pass me some |
| 21:03.48 | Kolth | Oohohh |
| 21:03.57 | Kremonte | my tanks hate me =( |
| 21:04.09 | Kremonte | i keep cancelling salvation and using my full +damage gear |
| 21:04.35 | MoonWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.45 | Kremonte | but why not! |
| 21:07.02 | MoonWolf | time to get drunk. |
| 21:12.44 | Cairen1 | wb bela |
| 21:13.00 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 21:20.10 | Cairenn | later all, off to pick hubby up from the airport |
| 21:20.18 | Beladona | have fun! |
| 21:20.20 | dukeku | mmm, airport |
| 21:20.23 | Beladona | and Merry Christmas |
| 21:24.32 | ForgottenLords | MERRY CHRISTMAS! |
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| 21:32.03 | Kremonte | 8/8 felheart |
| 21:32.06 | Kremonte | on christmas eve! |
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| 22:05.49 | AlexanderYoshi | congrtas |
| 22:35.05 | Guillotine | so guys, does how much honor you get depend on how much damage you do or does everyone in the raid within range get the same honor? |
| 22:39.19 | Guillotine | thats intersting. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12624#post12624 |
| 22:39.27 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 22:40.11 | AnduinLothar | my answer is that i have no idea because i dont pvp enough to care |
| 22:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I wouldn't trust it |
| 22:40.44 | Guillotine | im not |
| 22:40.47 | Guillotine | its in place of WoW.exe |
| 22:40.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And if that was how it worked, priests would never rank up |
| 22:40.52 | AnduinLothar | and the fact that my main has clocked 55days of play time means absolutely nothing |
| 22:40.54 | Guillotine | it could VERY WELL steal passwords |
| 22:41.40 | AnduinLothar | that means in the past year I've spent 2 solid months in game |
| 22:41.50 | Guillotine | thats sad |
| 22:41.59 | Guillotine | not that I'm any better |
| 22:42.10 | AnduinLothar | that's over 15% of my time |
| 22:42.17 | AnduinLothar | including sleep |
| 22:42.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 22:42.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Another IRC network I'm on, for me, it lists: |
| 22:42.34 | ScytheBlade1 | <NickServ> Total Online : 0 year(s) 343 day(s) 10 hour(s) 43 minute(s) 20 second(s) |
| 22:42.40 | ScytheBlade1 | <NickServ> Rank : 64 |
| 22:42.58 | Guillotine | haha |
| 22:43.17 | AnduinLothar | oh man.. if aim clocked me.. |
| 22:43.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, also |
| 22:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | 538M/home/kyle/.xchat2/xchatlogs |
| 22:43.39 | ScytheBlade1 | 538MB of IRC logs |
| 22:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | plaintext |
| 22:43.44 | AnduinLothar | it's been on probably 75% of the past year |
| 22:46.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I'm disgusted with myself sometimes |
| 22:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Half-gig of plaintext IRC logs? |
| 22:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah... |
| 22:47.17 | Osagasu | IT just means we have NO LIFE |
| 22:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | /whois ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:48.38 | AnduinLothar | i have a a life. this is it |
| 22:48.43 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, good point |
| 22:49.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually |
| 22:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | You people know Plork, right? |
| 22:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (I can never spell it out in full) |
| 22:50.10 | ScytheBlade1 | He used to be named 'KnightKing', I've known him for a long while |
| 22:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That other IRC server I'm on, he's there also, and he used to have a small script that retaliated |
| 22:50.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, it mis-fired once, and we exploted it |
| 22:50.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Behold: "*Knightking knows that Knightking like getting bouncy with Knightking" |
| 22:51.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, the life that is IRC. |
| 22:53.20 | AlexanderYoshi | PvP Honor is based on the amount of damage dealt to the target by the "tap" group - this means raids split it evenly, while individuals ungrouped split it based on dmg done |
| 22:53.30 | AlexanderYoshi | also, heals increase the honorgiven for a target slightly |
| 22:54.19 | oxman | Joyeux Noël |
| 22:54.39 | Guillotine | ty alexanderyoshi |
| 22:55.18 | oxman | je peux meme pas jouer à da pour noel :( |
| 22:55.43 | Guillotine | ~x fr en je peux meme pas jouer à da pour noel |
| 22:56.00 | Guillotine | huh? |
| 22:56.29 | Guillotine | ~x en fr Do you speak English oxman? |
| 22:57.11 | oxman | yes i speak english ;) |
| 22:57.34 | oxman | sorry for the second sentence in french a mistake ;p |
| 22:57.47 | oxman | but "Joyeux Noël" in french ;) |
| 22:58.24 | Tem|sleep | heh that' came up as "Joyeux No?l" to me |
| 22:58.39 | Tem|sleep | I guess I don't have the e^ character... |
| 22:58.47 | oxman | Sorry, Joyeux Noel |
| 22:58.48 | oxman | :) |
| 22:59.16 | Kremonte | noël doesnt come out? |
| 22:59.59 | ScytheBlade1 | %B<Kremonte> nol doesnt come out? |
| 23:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | -%B |
| 23:00.40 | Kremonte | =( |
| 23:01.09 | oxman | i'm in iso8859 |
| 23:01.13 | oxman | maybe you're in utf8 ? :) |
| 23:01.54 | Tain | First Christmas present wrapped! |
| 23:02.19 | oxman | ;) |
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| 23:02.25 | AnduinLothar | anyone know any good way to get svn commit statistics? |
| 23:03.45 | oxman | we are in #wowi |
| 23:03.49 | oxman | not #linuxi |
| 23:03.49 | oxman | ;) |
| 23:05.06 | AnduinLothar | right but i know a half dozen linux gurus around here and that 25% of you use svn regularly |
| 23:06.16 | oxman | ;p |
| 23:06.22 | oxman | but #linux is better |
| 23:06.22 | oxman | :) |
| 23:06.37 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.36 | oxman | ;p |
| 23:07.52 | AnduinLothar | oo, there's a python project msvnstats |
| 23:10.11 | AnduinLothar | go google go |
| 23:10.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge SantaBot (n=santabot@c-24-128-236-179.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 23:10.27 | Ktron|out | he's my gift to the channel everyone |
| 23:10.31 | Ktron|out | SantaBot? |
| 23:10.31 | SantaBot | Ktron|out: FOR SALE: jolly copies of World of Warcraft. Ho ho ho, it comes supplied with joyous elves, and I am willing to exchange it for festive Merry Christmas. How about you and your friends take interest in this deal... |
| 23:10.40 | oxman | lol !! |
| 23:10.51 | Ktron|out | enjoy him |
| 23:11.08 | SantaBot | Cairenn|afk: Merry Christmas's festive Merry Christmas celebrates Merry Christmas's merry elves... |
| 23:11.35 | Kolth | oh wow |
| 23:11.44 | Ktron|CmyBOT | it's random, should be fun, eh SantaBot? |
| 23:11.44 | SantaBot | Ktron|CmyBOT: Once upon a time, there was a merry man called Kwanzaa. Ho ho ho, he lived in Toysland, which was well known for its joyous Kwanzaa. He often liked to give eat other festive joyous Kwanzaa, and he lived happily ever after. The end. |
| 23:12.24 | Ktron|CmyBOT | I'll be back late, enjoy :) happy holidays and all that... I might expand his vocabulary some too yet, who nows |
| 23:12.26 | Ktron|CmyBOT | *knows |
| 23:12.27 | oxman | a stupid bot :] |
| 23:13.14 | SantaBot | dukeku: Happy elves! |
| 23:14.51 | SantaBot | norgs|Hohoho: Joyous merry Merry Christmas dances happy elves and happy festive copies of World of Warcraft. |
| 23:15.57 | SantaBot | Kremonte: Ho ho ho, joyous jolly Kwanzaa celebrates festive jolly toys... |
| 23:16.28 | AnduinLothar | kill it. |
| 23:17.27 | SantaBot | groll: Let's kiss elves... |
| 23:20.43 | Ktron|CmyBOT | AnduinLothar: serious? |
| 23:20.57 | Ktron|CmyBOT | hm |
| 23:20.57 | SantaBot | MentalPower|ZZzz: Festive jolly Merry Christmas. |
| 23:21.01 | Ktron|CmyBOT | alright |
| 23:21.02 | Ktron|CmyBOT | I will |
| 23:21.08 | Ktron|CmyBOT | I didn't realize he had a timer too |
| 23:21.20 | Ktron|CmyBOT | or I'll move him to his own channel |
| 23:21.23 | Ktron|CmyBOT | sorry about that |
| 23:21.42 | *** part/#wowi-lounge AlexanderYoshi (n=Alexande@cpe-66-24-4-244.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 23:22.27 | Ktron|CmyBOT | SantaBot has been moved to the much politer location of #SantaBot |
| 23:22.33 | Ktron|CmyBOT | Apologies |
| 23:22.50 | id` | ^^ |
| 23:26.50 | AnduinLothar | bots should wait to be addressed. at least till they have bodies |
| 23:27.01 | Ktron|SantaBot | AnduinLothar: yeah, /agree |
| 23:27.12 | Ktron|SantaBot | I thought he only responded to his name |
| 23:27.23 | Ktron|SantaBot | I didn't realize he had a timer too |
| 23:27.36 | Griddlebone | Question... what command returns the number of elements inside of a { } table? |
| 23:27.43 | Ktron|SantaBot | oh, here we go, I can set the timer higher |
| 23:27.50 | Ktron|SantaBot | 900000 seconds probably is good ;) |
| 23:28.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge SantaBot (n=santabot@c-24-128-236-179.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 23:28.15 | Ktron|SantaBot | now he should be much politer |
| 23:28.22 | Ktron|SantaBot | if he misbehaves, kick Santa |
| 23:28.24 | Ktron|SantaBot | ;) |
| 23:28.32 | AnduinLothar | griddlebone table.getn(table) but only if the elements are numericly indexed |
| 23:29.22 | Griddlebone | Hmm... I created the table using: smmLocation={"a","b","c","etc"}; |
| 23:30.14 | AnduinLothar | cant get the size then without itterating through it with a for loop |
| 23:30.19 | Griddlebone | Does that default to a numeric index? |
| 23:30.26 | AnduinLothar | oh |
| 23:30.28 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 23:30.30 | AnduinLothar | my bad |
| 23:30.32 | AnduinLothar | it does |
| 23:30.42 | Griddlebone | ^_^ |
| 23:30.45 | Griddlebone | Thank you. |
| 23:30.52 | AnduinLothar | try table.getn(smmLocation) |
| 23:31.02 | Griddlebone | I shall. ^_^ |
| 23:33.09 | Griddlebone | Just making sure I'm using it right here... |
| 23:33.12 | Griddlebone | for cnt1=1,table.getn(smmLocation) do SimpleMinimap_ButtonLoc(smmLocation[cnt1],SimpleMinimap[smmName].loc[cnt1]); end |
| 23:33.45 | AnduinLothar | not the prefered method |
| 23:34.16 | Griddlebone | By that I guess that it WOULD work, but is just bad code style? |
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| 23:34.25 | SantaBot | Osagasu: Hola. How about you and your friends give eat other jolly copies of World of Warcraft. |
| 23:35.04 | AnduinLothar | it'd prolyl work |
| 23:35.09 | AnduinLothar | probably* |
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| 23:37.15 | Ktron|SantaBot | doubled his vocab, really leaving now |
| 23:37.19 | Ktron|SantaBot | purl, see you later |
| 23:37.28 | Ktron|SantaBot | SantaBot, you too! |
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| 23:38.35 | SantaBot | Guillotine_: Hola. You celebrate jolly apple pie! |
| 23:38.55 | Guillotine | screw you stantabot |
| 23:38.58 | Guillotine | i mean, happy holidays |
| 23:38.59 | Guillotine | typo |
| 23:39.08 | Griddlebone | Heh |
| 23:41.03 | Guillotine | i found a cool bug in WoW. if a druid goes into the gnomifier machine as a bear or dire bear, they become a boy gnome. if they go into the machine as a cat or cheetah, they become a girl gnome. but the voice is that of a female night elf |
| 23:41.16 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 23:41.36 | Guillotine | Cairenn|afk: T.King has a new art set out :D |
| 23:42.46 | id` | How do i make visor save its DB per class? |
| 23:42.47 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.25 | Griddlebone | I still hate the bug in which if you do a shift/select to break up a stack in your inventory, while you have a vendor window open, it sells the number that you're trying to pick off the stack to the vendor with no chance of a buyback. :( |
| 23:45.38 | Kolth | Modifier2Sell fixes that |
| 23:47.28 | Griddlebone | Hmm... I think about that one. I try to install very few addons since I play on a laptop with little memory, but I've been bitten by that stupid bug so many times now... |
| 23:53.53 | groll | anyone good on sql could take a look at this and tell me what's wrong? http://pastebin.com/477981 |
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| 23:58.58 | SantaBot | Kaelten: Hola. You kiss santa- whistles? |
