| 00:19.41 | SP|Sorren | if i disable mouse on a frame by using EnableMouse(false); it should allow me to click through it right? |
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| 00:24.32 | Legorol | correct SP|Sorren |
| 00:25.30 | Depherios | Ugh I hate ipods |
| 00:25.42 | Depherios | nobody makes big clunky huge 80gig MP3 players anymore |
| 00:25.52 | Depherios | and that's what I want XD |
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| 00:26.27 | Depherios | they call 20 gigs "huge" my old archos, from before Ipods even EXSISTED is 15 gigs! |
| 00:26.33 | Tain | Creative Zen playes are still pretty box-like. |
| 00:27.13 | Tain | Ah. |
| 00:27.23 | Depherios | and I don't mind if it's the size of an old tape cassette player (as my Archos is) XD |
| 00:27.50 | AnduinLothar | anyone got any mount enchanted gloves? or even better, can do the enchant? |
| 00:28.07 | Tain | I looked, still like iPod's interface the best. |
| 00:28.24 | Depherios | I don't want to spend 50% more for the same thing :P |
| 00:28.39 | Depherios | I don't need interface, just "shuffle" XD |
| 00:28.52 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 00:29.05 | Tain | Well lots of companies selling playes these days. |
| 00:29.12 | AnduinLothar | tons |
| 00:29.15 | Depherios | yeah, but no BIG ones from good companies |
| 00:29.28 | AnduinLothar | just the 60 gig video |
| 00:29.31 | Tain | So buy a big one from a shady company. |
| 00:29.47 | Depherios | yeah, there's video :P I might just have to go with that |
| 00:30.05 | Tain | Hell if you're not concerned about size then just buy a PC with a handle on it and a UPS. |
| 00:30.11 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 00:30.28 | Depherios | lol XD |
| 00:30.36 | AnduinLothar | couple imb laptops have audio controls ont eh frt |
| 00:30.36 | Depherios | I said I don't mind if it's the size of a cassette player XD |
| 00:30.43 | Depherios | lol |
| 00:30.45 | AnduinLothar | ibm* |
| 00:31.01 | Depherios | creative goes up to six gigs >_< |
| 00:31.06 | AnduinLothar | useless |
| 00:31.08 | Tain | No it doesn't. |
| 00:31.18 | Tain | You're looking at the wrong models. |
| 00:31.20 | AnduinLothar | hard drive is the way to go |
| 00:31.38 | Depherios | they stopped making the others Tain, I could get them warehoused at this point, or used, if I shop around |
| 00:31.56 | Depherios | if I'm going to do that, I'll get an older Archos or Sony |
| 00:32.14 | Depherios | or Rio I guess... I haven't checked Rio yet... |
| 00:33.06 | Tain | Ah well, guess you're out of luck. :) |
| 00:33.33 | SP|Sorren | ugh, if i specify enableMouse="false" in the xml it should make it so i can click through too right? :/ |
| 00:33.54 | Depherios | yup |
| 00:34.31 | SP|Sorren | woo i got it |
| 00:34.34 | SP|Sorren | wierd though |
| 00:34.43 | SP|Sorren | i had specified enableMouse="false" in the xml |
| 00:34.47 | SP|Sorren | and it still took mouse focus |
| 00:35.15 | SP|Sorren | my statusbar was inheriting TextStatusBar though, so i took that off and all of a sudden it works o_o |
| 00:37.38 | AnduinLothar | u have to load that template lua in ur toc to inherit it in an addon |
| 00:37.58 | AnduinLothar | mmm, but only if it's loadondemand |
| 00:38.46 | SP|Sorren | never had a problem with it |
| 00:38.52 | SP|Sorren | it just wouldnt let go of mouse focus |
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| 00:52.06 | Legorol | SP|Sorren that's because if your frame has any mouse event handlers (e.g. OnClick, OnMouseDown etc.), then enableMouse is automatically set to true, overriding the setting in the XML attribute |
| 00:52.28 | Legorol | it's annoying, but that's how it is |
| 00:52.40 | Legorol | it is essentially making enableMouse attribute redundant |
| 00:54.08 | Legorol | Full list of handlers that override the enableMouse attribute: |
| 00:54.11 | Legorol | Frame: OnDragStart, OnEnter, OnLeave, OnMouseDown, OnMouseUp |
| 00:54.21 | Legorol | Button: OnDragStart, OnEnter, OnLeave, OnMouseDown, OnMouseUp, OnClick, OnDoubleClick |
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| 01:08.08 | SP|Sorren | i wasn't aware that TextStatusBar had any mouse event handlers :P |
| 01:10.09 | Tain | Depherios, I just did a quick google search and found 3 different 100GB portable players in the first 5 links. |
| 01:25.39 | Depherios | all from weird things, or weird dealers |
| 01:25.48 | Depherios | from weird companies or weird dealers <-- rather |
| 01:29.59 | Tain | Archos, Rio |
| 01:30.00 | Depherios | there's a bunch of 40-80 gig MP3 players on Amazon even, but except for uber expensive VIDEO players, they're either sold out, or bizzare companies |
| 01:30.40 | Depherios | Archos and Rio don't make them anymore, and no reliable place carries them... I've hunted all over for the 100 or 120 archos ones :P |
| 01:30.47 | SP|Sorren | Anyone know what mod it is that says Autojoining Battleground in 10 seconds...? |
| 01:30.52 | Depherios | yeah |
| 01:30.56 | Depherios | bginvite |
| 01:30.59 | Depherios | oh |
| 01:30.59 | Depherios | no |
| 01:31.05 | Depherios | n/m |
| 01:31.22 | Tain | Ok. Just saying what google said. I didn't see any bizarre companies though. |
| 01:31.46 | Depherios | the dealers for those items for sale are usually something shady :P |
| 01:31.54 | Depherios | I'm in no hurry though |
| 01:32.13 | Depherios | just finding it interesting how they've gotten SMALLER instead of bigger |
| 01:32.22 | Depherios | (in memory, as well as size) |
| 01:32.47 | Tain | I just don't see that. How are they getting smaller in storage space? |
| 01:33.01 | Depherios | Dunno, they are though |
| 01:33.05 | Depherios | 20 gig is considered "huge" now |
| 01:33.05 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 01:33.06 | Tain | But why do you say that? |
| 01:33.18 | AnduinLothar | 20 is not huge. it's standard |
| 01:33.20 | Tain | 20gig is the smallest HD model you're likely to find these days. |
| 01:33.26 | Depherios | 15 gig was medium now... |
| 01:33.30 | Depherios | err was medium then |
| 01:33.35 | Depherios | now 1-10 gig is medium |
| 01:33.37 | kremonte | wait, wah |
| 01:33.40 | Tain | What? |
| 01:33.43 | kremonte | 20gig isnt "huge" |
| 01:33.44 | AnduinLothar | no... 1-10 is flash |
| 01:33.49 | Depherios | yup |
| 01:33.54 | AnduinLothar | 20g would be a huge flahs player |
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| 01:33.58 | Tain | 20 is small. 30-40 is medium. |
| 01:34.05 | Depherios | look up HD MP3 players |
| 01:34.05 | AnduinLothar | 20g is a small hd player |
| 01:34.09 | kremonte | HD? |
| 01:34.12 | Tain | Yes hd. |
| 01:34.12 | Depherios | you'd THINK 20 gig would be small |
| 01:34.18 | kremonte | as in high definition? /huh |
| 01:34.22 | Depherios | but that's considered big, and is the largest many companies sell |
| 01:34.25 | AnduinLothar | hard drive |
| 01:34.35 | Depherios | (i.e. the largest size MP3 player Sony makes now, as well as Archos) |
| 01:34.47 | kremonte | so NOT talking about ipods? |
| 01:34.54 | Depherios | Rio doesn't even sell 20 gig... neither does creative... yes... NOT ipods |
| 01:35.00 | Tain | Ok Depherios. I'm not sure what country you live in or what stores you shop at, but you can't find under 20 gigs around here. |
| 01:35.03 | kremonte | oh alright. /leave |
| 01:35.06 | Tain | Rio does sell bigger than 20 gigs. |
| 01:35.16 | Depherios | DID |
| 01:35.20 | Tain | er never mind, dunno why I'm arguing. I'm not buying one. :) |
| 01:35.26 | Tain | Good luck though! |
| 01:35.51 | Depherios | biggest Rio makes now is 5 gigs |
| 01:35.56 | Depherios | HD players |
| 01:36.13 | kremonte | http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/shop/_templates/item_main_Rio.asp?model=261&cat=72 |
| 01:36.13 | kremonte | ? |
| 01:36.23 | Depherios | that's their old 40 gig |
| 01:36.31 | Depherios | no... 20 :P |
| 01:36.39 | Depherios | I have a 15 XD I'm looking for 40+ |
| 01:36.49 | Depherios | preferably 60 or 80+ |
| 01:37.04 | kremonte | i dont get it. what's an HD player? |
| 01:37.05 | AnduinLothar | perhaps it's simply because that's where the market is 1-20g |
| 01:37.11 | Depherios | but yeah, those are all video... oh well, I'll wait for them to get cheaper.... HD MP3 player |
| 01:37.11 | AnduinLothar | HARD DRIVE |
| 01:37.17 | kremonte | i know that.. |
| 01:37.29 | kremonte | what kind of HD though? how is it different =x |
| 01:37.36 | Depherios | MP3 players that aren't flash memory... HD and Flash, flash are smaller or cheaper than the larger HD ones |
| 01:37.42 | AnduinLothar | it's an mp3 player with a hd, ratehr than flash memory |
| 01:38.00 | kremonte | :x ipod = flash memory then? |
| 01:38.10 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 01:38.16 | AnduinLothar | shuffles are flash |
| 01:38.33 | AnduinLothar | mini,nano and ipod are hd |
| 01:38.36 | kremonte | why would an ipod be out of the question tho? |
| 01:38.37 | Depherios | iPod's distinctive rectangle comes from the HD |
| 01:38.37 | kremonte | price? =x |
| 01:38.53 | kremonte | (well i would think that ipod is HD, considering i have mulinux on mine) |
| 01:40.10 | Depherios | okay... lol... wtf, both Sony and Rio's 20 gig players are hidden away out of the top menus |
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| 02:08.06 | Guillotine | did anyone else realize that there were no moderators? |
| 02:08.07 | Guillotine | :D |
| 02:08.16 | Guillotine | or :( |
| 02:08.20 | Guillotine | depending on who comes in here |
| 02:09.07 | AnduinLothar | cair's on break |
| 02:09.09 | AnduinLothar | fam time |
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| 02:17.21 | Guillotine | ROFL a blue poster made a post saying casuals need to STFU |
| 02:17.38 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.39 | Guillotine | oosp |
| 02:17.49 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6361190&p=1&tmp=1#post6361190 |
| 02:18.10 | kremonte | LOL |
| 02:18.19 | kremonte | wait |
| 02:18.24 | kremonte | it was Re that |
| 02:18.29 | kremonte | wait |
| 02:18.30 | kremonte | wah |
| 02:18.37 | kremonte | oh |
| 02:18.46 | Guillotine | its a forum bug |
| 02:18.51 | Guillotine | but it came out lookign pretty funny :D |
| 02:19.11 | Guillotine | he meant to reply to a thread, but instead made a new one or something |
| 02:20.46 | Tem | I think there was a thread named "casuals need to stfu" and he deleted it |
| 02:20.52 | Tem | and that's his explanation |
| 02:20.56 | Depherios | lol, no |
| 02:21.29 | Depherios | I think he meant to delete it, but instead deleted the other replies... or a bug caused his reply to happen after he deleted it or something |
| 02:22.18 | Depherios | or perhaps another blue deleted the topic as he was replying to it XD |
| 02:22.39 | kremonte | lmao, casuals unveiled |
| 02:22.41 | kremonte | We ask for instances that are easier and allow us to obtain some gear that is of the same quality of mc |
| 02:22.52 | kremonte | I'm a casual player. I dont have alot of time to Do instances such as mc etc. We ask for instances that are easier and allow us to obtain some gear that is of the same quality of mc and we are told to STFU by a gm? |
| 02:22.52 | kremonte | I am greatly offended by this post and considering canceling my account. Im going to contact blizzard via phone about this post and this gm. I urge everyone else to do it also. |
| 02:24.29 | Depherios | lol yeah XD |
| 02:24.38 | Depherios | OMG I AM OVERLY SERIOUS ABOUT EVERYTHING... probably an RPer |
| 02:27.07 | kremonte | lol, the seriousness is funny |
| 02:27.11 | Tem | I disagree |
| 02:27.12 | kremonte | the funny thing is that he ASKED |
| 02:27.19 | kremonte | for easier instances, with MC quality loot |
| 02:27.22 | Tem | probably an LARPer |
| 02:27.26 | kremonte | LARP? |
| 02:27.32 | kremonte | lame ass RPer? |
| 02:27.35 | Tem | Live Action RPer |
| 02:27.39 | kremonte | lol |
| 02:27.59 | Tem | Did you see the reno 911 with the"boots of escaping" guy? |
| 02:28.16 | Tem | those are LARPers |
| 02:28.40 | kremonte | lmao |
| 02:30.11 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.27 | Tem | (that's not to say that I'm not myself a nerd) |
| 02:31.07 | Tem | assignment in lua doesn't return a value does it? |
| 02:35.11 | GenNMX | Wouldn't assignment return the value it assigns? |
| 02:35.24 | kremonte | i think he means |
| 02:35.38 | kremonte | if ( a = b ) then -- a was successfully assigned to b |
| 02:35.39 | kremonte | ? |
| 02:37.32 | GenNMX | Ahh...yeah, from my understanding, Lua adheres to C/C++ in this instance. I fear any language that returns something when it's not a function. Sure, it's tighter then "WasLastAssignmentOK()", but a hell of a lot more confusing. |
| 02:38.24 | Tem | in C you can do a=b=c=1 |
| 02:38.51 | Tem | since = has right associativity that statement is evaluated starting at "c=1" |
| 02:38.59 | Tem | "c=1" then returns 1 |
| 02:39.02 | GenNMX | Yes, and I think that would always resolve as "true" |
| 02:39.12 | GenNMX | Assuming you're using primitives |
| 02:39.17 | Tem | so when it evaluates b= part it gets 1 |
| 02:39.24 | Tem | but that is not valid in lua |
| 02:39.27 | Tem | so, no |
| 02:39.43 | Tem | lua does not return the value assigned after an assignment |
| 02:40.48 | Tem | and is it me or is the g15 threads starting to get as old as the "ban decursive" threads? |
| 02:40.57 | kremonte | rofl Tem |
| 02:41.06 | Tem | s/is the/are the/ |
| 02:41.35 | Tem | I guess I can't post "the horse is dead" in those since it's people just asking out of ignorance |
| 02:41.36 | GenNMX | I'd have to double-check, but I think the resulting machine doesn't follow C/C++'s "return" architecture...but eh |
| 02:41.46 | Tem | GenNMX: no, it doesn't |
| 02:42.02 | Tem | GenNMX: since I didn't get an answer here, I checked myself |
| 02:42.18 | Tain | I'd want to complain more about g15 and other threads if you could actually do functional searches on the forums. |
| 02:42.20 | Tem | a=b=c=1 actually generates a lua error |
| 02:42.33 | Tain | Not that most of them search in the first place, but now you can't even tell them to do it. |
| 02:42.37 | kremonte | Tem - can you do a=b+1=c=1 ? |
| 02:43.09 | Tem | Tain: it comes up every week or so, and EVERYTIME people /insist/ that stuff to display your dps or health or whatever can be done legally |
| 02:43.13 | Tem | kremonte: no, you can't |
| 02:43.41 | GenNMX | What's this "G15" thing about? |
| 02:43.53 | kremonte | GenNMX - it's ak eyboard with a programmable LCD display |
| 02:43.55 | GenNMX | I stopped reading the boards right before 1.8 came out. |
| 02:43.56 | Tem | it's a logitech keyboard with an lcd screen on it |
| 02:44.02 | GenNMX | Ohhhh, right, THAT thing |
| 02:44.10 | Tem | yeah... THAT thing |
| 02:44.15 | Tain | Just be glad they aren't asking more about the macro keys. |
| 02:44.27 | Tem | yeah, those are a little taboo |
| 02:44.43 | kremonte | gah |
| 02:44.43 | GenNMX | I'm happy with my 5-button mouse |
| 02:44.49 | kremonte | i cant tell if its Tem or Tain saying something |
| 02:44.53 | Tem | I like the way the logitech site suggests using them in a way that explicitly breaks the EULA |
| 02:45.00 | kremonte | lol Tem |
| 02:45.07 | Tem | kremonte: what IRC client do you use? |
| 02:45.16 | kremonte | mIRC |
| 02:45.19 | kremonte | thyats not it tho |
| 02:45.22 | Tem | kremonte: that's why I use gaim it colors people's names based on a hash |
| 02:45.34 | kremonte | gaim irc is yucky imho |
| 02:45.38 | kremonte | i'm too used to mirc =/ |
| 02:45.49 | Tem | I /hated/ mirc when I tried it |
| 02:45.59 | Depherios | I highlight people in mirc by name XD |
| 02:46.12 | Depherios | nicks for common people, whole lines for people who talk the most |
| 02:46.22 | Depherios | have to do it manually though :P and I'm not using mIRC right now |
| 02:46.53 | Tem | sounds painful |
| 02:47.23 | kremonte | The 18 programmable "G Keys" allow you to execute macros—like casting spells in World of Warcraft—with a single button press |
| 02:49.17 | Tain | Technically as long as you only use it to cast a single spell you're not doing anything wrong. :) |
| 02:49.32 | GenNMX | So the G15 allows for time-delays in its programming? |
| 02:49.33 | kremonte | spells |
| 02:49.39 | kremonte | GenNMX - why wouldn't it? |
| 02:49.44 | Tem | it does |
| 02:49.57 | Tem | if you read more of the fine print it says something about time delays |
| 02:50.18 | Tain | Yeah it does. You can send keystrokes and delay as much as you want. |
| 02:50.35 | GenNMX | kremonte: That's could just be bad english on their part. "...execute macros FOR casting spells in World of Warcraft..." |
| 02:50.49 | kremonte | Record custom key sequences. Make on-the-fly additions to your key programming set with Macro Record button |
| 02:51.05 | kremonte | GenNMX - WoW has it's own API which disables sleep() or whatever lua has |
| 02:51.35 | GenNMX | kremonte: Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm just saying that sentence was ambigious. |
| 02:52.13 | GenNMX | But given the capabilities of the G15 compared to a standard mouse with a bunch of buttons, it's obvious this is designed for outside macro'ing. |
| 02:52.32 | GenNMX | Not just in WoW, of course. In all games. |
| 02:52.57 | Tain | Well yes. That IS it's stated purpose. |
| 02:53.18 | kremonte | hehe, hook my mouse4 to hit 4 sleep(1500); hit 5 =P |
| 02:55.14 | kremonte | holy shit |
| 02:55.24 | kremonte | CombatSentryGizmo has about 50 events hooked |
| 02:55.50 | GenNMX | Yes, that's why I stopped using it. Even though it was pretty cool, for a while. |
| 02:56.00 | kremonte | grr |
| 02:56.08 | kremonte | i don't even know a good benchmark for a computer now :{ |
| 02:56.54 | GenNMX | SiSoft |
| 02:57.03 | Cide | did anyone manage to get a SS of that tseric thread btw? it's deleted now, hehe |
| 02:57.23 | GenNMX | Cide: google "blue tracker" |
| 02:57.39 | Cide | doesn't make up for the hilarity of the real thing though |
| 02:58.28 | Cide | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/6361190.htm <- doesn't look like the real thing |
| 03:01.14 | Depherios | I think I still have it open if you want a screen |
| 03:01.19 | Tem | Cide: it's still in my cash |
| 03:01.23 | Tem | so I have a SS |
| 03:01.26 | kremonte | i have it open still |
| 03:01.26 | kremonte | lol |
| 03:01.31 | Cide | haha, ss it |
| 03:01.36 | kremonte | sure |
| 03:03.01 | Tem | http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4532/tseric0zm.gif |
| 03:03.06 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/wowimg/tserichatescasuals.jpg |
| 03:03.08 | kremonte | grr |
| 03:03.11 | Cide | haha, tem beat you to it |
| 03:03.31 | kremonte | i was just fixing a typo in the url i typed out! :Q |
| 03:03.38 | kremonte | lol Tem, i use that windowblinds theme on my notebook |
| 03:03.43 | Tem | hehe |
| 03:04.03 | Tem | heh... lets count the WoW related tabs I have open |
| 03:04.22 | Tem | 13! |
| 03:04.32 | kremonte | i'm too messy to have all my tabs in one window |
| 03:04.35 | Depherios | 7 is all here, but I'm running a virus scan and lagging it up |
| 03:04.49 | Cide | I also have 13! scary |
| 03:05.04 | Cide | actually, 19 if I count the other browser window |
| 03:05.04 | Tem | rofl! look at my search |
| 03:05.15 | Cide | haha |
| 03:05.29 | kremonte | that was the first thing i noticed o.O |
| 03:05.49 | Tem | which search kremonte? I |
| 03:05.56 | Tem | I'm now realizing I had 2 up |
| 03:05.58 | kremonte | oh |
| 03:06.03 | kremonte | i didnt see the "real men of genius" lol |
| 03:06.22 | Tem | the find at the bottom was me making sure "GetTexture" existed in 1.9 |
| 03:06.54 | Tem | I'm so sad... They shut down the site that had all the recordings on it |
| 03:07.41 | kremonte | beer sucks. |
| 03:08.37 | Tem | I don't particularly like it myself, but those commercials were awesome |
| 03:09.24 | kremonte | they are on budlight.com |
| 03:14.40 | Tem | really! |
| 03:14.42 | Tem | yay! |
| 03:14.51 | kremonte | lol |
| 03:15.08 | kremonte | i dont think all are there |
| 03:16.10 | Tem | you have no idea how happy this makes me |
| 03:16.18 | kremonte | lol? |
| 03:16.25 | kremonte | you thilly |
| 03:17.42 | Tem | that's definitely not all of them |
| 03:21.33 | kremonte | http://www.milkandcookies.com/keywords/rmog/ ? |
| 03:21.44 | kremonte | theres a couple =x |
| 03:27.38 | Legorol | btw, about the Tseric thing: |
| 03:27.57 | Legorol | i beleive what happened was someone posting a post with title "Casuals need to stfu", which Tseric responded to |
| 03:28.01 | Legorol | the OP then deleted his post, |
| 03:28.08 | Cide | ya |
| 03:28.08 | Legorol | making it look like Tseric was the OP |
| 03:28.20 | Legorol | you can tell 'cause the first post has Re: in the title |
| 03:28.29 | Legorol | it's pretty funny still |
| 03:39.22 | Tain | I was trying to figure out why it was even funny. It was obvious he wasn't the original poster. I thought maybe he did a post new thread instead of reply and that's what people were laughing at. |
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| 03:41.08 | kremonte | Tain - because of all people, it was a CM |
| 03:42.26 | Tain | I guess. Well, as long as someone enjoyed it! |
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| 04:02.19 | Guillotine | welcome cairenn :D |
| 04:02.24 | Cairenn | hi Guillotine |
| 04:02.24 | Guillotine | it was chaos in here without any mods |
| 04:02.45 | Guillotine | not really. it was really pretty quiet |
| 04:02.57 | Cairenn | I've been in and out a couple times |
| 04:03.04 | Cairenn | has seemed pretty quiet to me |
| 04:05.25 | Ktron | yeah |
| 04:05.39 | Ktron | holidays have kept mod-making to a minimum |
| 04:05.46 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:06.41 | Ktron | Hey Cair, do you know if it's okay to use and modify the original interface art to make new art? |
| 04:07.08 | Cairenn | While Blizz has been asked repeatedly, they've never come out with an official policy on it |
| 04:07.14 | Cairenn | That being said |
| 04:07.19 | Cairenn | *IF* |
| 04:07.46 | Ktron | yeah |
| 04:08.00 | Ktron | if? |
| 04:08.10 | Cairenn | you are using it for Blizz game only, you don't claim that it is your own art (ie you give credit for the original work being blizz and only claim to have modified it) and you aren't trying to make money from it |
| 04:08.21 | Cairenn | then the chances of them complaining are slim to nil |
| 04:08.44 | Cairenn | also that you don't use it "inappropriately" |
| 04:09.01 | Cairenn | Now, IANAL and IANABE |
| 04:09.26 | Ktron | alright... so I'm taking away from this that using blizzard's interface art as a starting point for my own is probably a good idea and as long as I give them credit they'll be okay with it |
| 04:09.55 | Cairenn | but that's been my experience within the MMO industry ... as long as the artwork you are using is being used for within whatever game, isn't claimed to be your own, and you aren't making money ... there's yet to ever be a complaint that I've heard |
| 04:10.25 | Cairenn | so yeah, when you write up your "description" of your mod, say "base artwork by Blizzard, modified by me" |
| 04:10.34 | Cairenn | then the chances are no complaint |
| 04:10.44 | Depherios | so long as you don't take credit and don't make MUCH profit, I've seen many a webpage use blizz' art in their interfaces, including in game graphics... even ones that make money |
| 04:10.56 | Depherios | (albiet not much money) |
| 04:11.11 | Cairenn | Depherios: again, there are rules and then there are rules, on that stuff too |
| 04:11.19 | Depherios | yah |
| 04:11.36 | Cairenn | fan sites are a different kettle of fish from mods as they are from avatars and sig files and ... |
| 04:11.47 | Depherios | XD |
| 04:11.56 | Cairenn | in general though, you gotta be being pretty blatantly stupid in order to get them pissy with you |
| 04:12.00 | Depherios | yeah |
| 04:12.16 | Cairenn | so yeah Ktron, chances are that you will be fine |
| 04:12.22 | Tain | You mean like post unreleased content? :) |
| 04:12.22 | Cairenn | but again, IANAL and IANABE |
| 04:12.24 | Depherios | hence why I don't distribute my interface, consisting of graphics ripped from Dark Colony's interface XD |
| 04:12.37 | Cairenn | even that is *likely* okay |
| 04:12.45 | Depherios | yup... but I'd rather not try it |
| 04:12.48 | Cairenn | if you are giving credit within your description |
| 04:13.22 | Cairenn | lots of people are using WoW graphics for EQ or EQII mods, or EQII graphics for WoW, or Dark Horizons for, or ... |
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| 04:13.26 | Depherios | yeah.. I might when I'm done, so I can really include a "about" window and junk, and make it "official-ish" -- especially since dark colony bombed, and nobody's even heard of it |
| 04:13.34 | Cairenn | as long as you say "Blah Blah emulated for" |
| 04:14.26 | Cairenn | again, when I've seen people porting graphics from one game for use in another, as long as due credit is given ... |
| 04:14.27 | Ktron | I've heard of dark colony, never played it though... it was in a two pack with Outpost last I knew, and since Outpost looked okay I thought about buying them |
| 04:14.38 | Depherios | outpost 1 = good |
| 04:14.41 | Cairenn | Tain: yeah, exactly |
| 04:14.42 | Depherios | outpost 2 = terrible |
| 04:15.13 | Depherios | 1 was a turn based space colony sim... 2 was a real time strategy game.... dunno what they were thinking there XD |
| 04:16.04 | Depherios | IANABE? |
| 04:16.16 | Tain | I am not a bug eater |
| 04:16.17 | Depherios | oh blizz employee |
| 04:16.31 | Depherios | or... something similar I guess |
| 04:16.33 | Cairenn | aye, I am not a blizz employee |
| 04:16.42 | Cairenn | and more specifically, I am not blizz legal department |
| 04:16.46 | Depherios | lol |
| 04:17.19 | Depherios | I'm not worried about blizz, I'm worried about TSR and whoever XD |
| 04:17.21 | Cide | I was gonna go for "Baby Eater" |
| 04:17.33 | Tain | Generally they more or less reserve the right to tell you to take anything out of your client that they want to. They just don't. |
| 04:18.01 | Cairenn | but between interfaces and pixel art, I've been dealing with gaming art for a while now, and again, as long as you basically follow the guidelines I suggested, I've yet to ever hear of anyone being given grief |
| 04:19.08 | Cairenn | now, take Blizz (or any MMO) art and start making pornographic materials with it and distribute it widely and make profit from it and claim it as your own .... |
| 04:19.28 | Cairenn | yeah, they'll get mad |
| 04:24.17 | Depherios | lol |
| 04:31.43 | Cairenn | and now for a lesson in business - why would most games not complain about their graphics being ported to other games? |
| 04:32.01 | Depherios | people go OOH WHERE DID THIS COME FROM XD |
| 04:32.12 | Guillotine | yup |
| 04:32.13 | Cairenn | you got it ... nothing like free advertising |
| 04:32.19 | Depherios | free adv. FTW |
| 04:32.44 | Cairenn | OMG IS THAT EVER COOL, WHERE'D YOU GET THAT! |
| 04:32.49 | Depherios | lol |
| 04:33.10 | Cairenn | wow! if their graphics are that amazing, can you imagine what the game must be like?! omgwtfbbq |
| 04:33.32 | Guillotine | hehe. i never thought I'd hear Cairenn say "omgwtfbbq"... |
| 04:33.39 | Guillotine | not that its that strange in-context |
| 04:33.52 | Depherios | impersonations make people say funny things XD |
| 04:34.17 | Cairenn | in-context (mocking the bnet kiddy crowd) is the only way you'll ever see me say it :p |
| 04:34.41 | Tain | However the game you're porting it TO isn't likely to want to give free advertising to someone else. |
| 04:34.58 | Cairenn | yes yes, I know, bad Cair, shouldn't generalize like that |
| 04:35.16 | Depherios | depends on the game... I'm not too worried about what blizz thinks about Dark Colony lol |
| 04:35.21 | Tain | You're right though, the other game should love the advertisement. |
| 04:35.33 | Depherios | considering Warcraft 2 pwned it back in the day |
| 04:35.42 | Tain | And I don't see Blizzard getting upset if someone made a Starcraft interface for WoW. |
| 04:36.11 | Cairenn | precisely - Blizzard graphics used within a Blizzard game |
| 04:36.30 | Guillotine | ive been thinkng about making a just about total port from wc3 to WoW |
| 04:36.37 | Guillotine | have the minimap be square in the bottom left |
| 04:36.46 | Guillotine | make the unit frames like those in wc3 |
| 04:37.50 | Cairenn | it is *possible* that a game company will complain about their graphics being used for another game |
| 04:38.19 | Guillotine | but not very likely |
| 04:38.28 | Cairenn | hell, it's *possible* that a game company will complain about their graphics being used by anyone other than themselves for *any* reason ... but not likely |
| 04:38.56 | Guillotine | and their not just going to come knocking on your door with a lawsuit (probably). they will first ask you to stop |
| 04:39.04 | Guillotine | but ya never know |
| 04:39.14 | Guillotine | probably better to get written consent |
| 04:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Blizz is typically nicer than they |
| 04:39.16 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 04:39.17 | ScytheBlade1 | They ask you first |
| 04:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Then they'll act with other means |
| 04:39.37 | Cairenn | Guillotine: chances are you won't get written consent |
| 04:39.38 | Guillotine | ya. they went to the makers of emu-servers asking them to stop before they filed a lawsuit :/ |
| 04:39.58 | Guillotine | Cairenn: i know. just saying it would be better if you could :) |
| 04:40.03 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:40.31 | Cairenn | but, we've been asking for it for a while now, in one of my other communities, and they haven't been forthcoming with it |
| 04:41.30 | Cairenn | but at the same time, they also haven't said that we *aren't* allowed to, so ... |
| 04:42.08 | Cairenn | back to the manner in which the graphics are being used |
| 04:42.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Blizzard is really nice to the modding community as a whole |
| 04:43.02 | Cairenn | all of them |
| 04:43.29 | Cairenn | well, not *slouken*, but every one I've dealt with has one or more people that are as nice, responsive, etc as he is |
| 04:43.51 | Depherios | I mean a person with his job... making our 'job' better XD |
| 04:44.00 | Cairenn | all of them ... |
| 04:44.20 | Depherios | really? I know EQ was good to modders, but it's the only one I've heard of that is/was |
| 04:44.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 04:44.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I know Quantam |
| 04:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | The maker of MPQ2k, etc |
| 04:44.41 | Cairenn | EQ/EQ2/V:SoH |
| 04:44.46 | Depherios | well I know SWG is good to modders... but they're TOO good to modders |
| 04:44.52 | Cairenn | are the only ones I can speak of |
| 04:44.56 | Depherios | and I don't think they have representation... they just let you do everything XD |
| 04:45.01 | ScytheBlade1 | He talked to blizz, and they asked him if they could use his tools in-house |
| 04:45.05 | Depherios | and make bots easier than a drop of a house |
| 04:45.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Seriously |
| 04:45.14 | Tain | EQ was never good to modders originally. It took years. |
| 04:46.03 | Cairenn | aye, but when they *did* make a modifiable UI, they were great |
| 04:46.13 | Depherios | well, I was never an MMO person... being a gamer as long as I was, EQ was dull, boring, and repetitive, and after it sucked as much as I thought it did, I never picked up another until WoW |
| 04:46.15 | Cairenn | I still talk with Segal all the time |
| 04:46.47 | Tain | Yeah, I had left long before that. My experience was two years of not even being able to alt-tab out of the game. Never mind change anything. |
| 04:46.58 | Depherios | lol |
| 04:57.38 | Tem | Ok seriously, people must be blind |
| 04:57.48 | Cairenn | uh oh |
| 04:57.55 | Cairenn | 'sup Tem? |
| 04:58.02 | Tem | look at eh UI forums |
| 04:58.06 | Tem | the* |
| 04:58.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:59.03 | Tem | I mean come on |
| 04:59.07 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 05:08.18 | Cairenn | I really need to re-write the "Read Me" thread, but damned if I can get the motivation to figure out how to clean it up :p |
| 05:12.19 | Tain | It's hard to get motivated when so many people don't read it in the first place. |
| 05:12.55 | Cairenn | yup |
| 05:13.17 | Cairenn | but otoh, I know it's turned into a bear of a thread ... just, there really is a lot of good info there, what do I cut out? |
| 05:15.06 | Tain | Maybe if it were just more consolidated? I haven't looked through it in a while myself. Although I did read it once! :) |
| 05:16.17 | Cairenn | well, maybe after the holidays I'll through it open on WoWI for the regulars to help me sort it out :p |
| 05:16.30 | Tain | eek! |
| 05:16.50 | Cairenn | the thread always has been a group project, I have just been the one maintaining it |
| 05:21.56 | Tem | who was doing the link spoofing? |
| 05:22.03 | Tem | Did they ever tell someone who could fix it? |
| 05:22.23 | Tem | if so, what's the latest on that stuff? |
| 05:22.24 | Cairenn | Guillotine and kremonte, and yes, they gave the info to me and I passed it along |
| 05:22.33 | Cairenn | it'll be getting stopped |
| 05:23.40 | Tem | k |
| 05:23.41 | Tem | thanks |
| 05:23.44 | Cairenn | np |
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| 05:29.16 | Cairenn | well, I'm out for the night, later guys |
| 05:30.13 | Tain | Nite Cairenn :) |
| 05:31.05 | Cairenn | out of curiosity, Tem, why were you asking? |
| 05:31.15 | Tem | check the forums |
| 05:31.21 | Tem | someone else figured it out |
| 05:31.45 | Cairenn | oh lord .... |
| 05:31.48 | Cairenn | go Saien |
| 05:32.06 | Cairenn | such a moron |
| 05:32.12 | Cairenn | sorry, I didn't say that ... |
| 05:34.42 | Tem | god damnit I hate saien |
| 05:34.47 | Cairenn | I responded |
| 05:34.52 | Tem | I just saw it |
| 05:35.22 | Cairenn | I fully expect a "well stupid them" response from him, but meh |
| 05:36.01 | Tem | I don't care what his response is. He's a troll |
| 05:36.20 | Tem | I really hope they implement Cross-Server Bgs |
| 05:36.48 | Tem | so I can find him and kill him |
| 05:36.48 | Cairenn | well, the response of "well stupid them" does actually have some merit to it, but none-the-less, I'm glad Blizz is fixing it |
| 05:36.52 | Cairenn | LOL Tem |
| 05:37.32 | Tem | hey, he posted a response |
| 05:38.16 | Cairenn | and I've responded again |
| 05:38.40 | Tem | Cair, do you like me response to him? |
| 05:39.07 | Cairenn | lol, you can if you want to, I'm not your keeper |
| 05:39.20 | Cairenn | I'm just trying to shut him down politely :p |
| 05:39.30 | Tem | s/me/my/ |
| 05:39.33 | Cairenn | OMG |
| 05:39.36 | Tem | refresh the thread |
| 05:39.43 | Cairenn | Tem! LOL |
| 05:39.52 | Cairenn | errr |
| 05:39.56 | Cairenn | shame on you! |
| 05:41.03 | Cairenn | here I am trying to shut him down so we don't have to have a "the world according to Saien", and you fan the flames |
| 05:41.09 | Cairenn | :p |
| 05:41.17 | Tem | heh.. maybe I should delete |
| 05:41.30 | Cairenn | most likely too late |
| 05:41.34 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:41.37 | Tem | most likely |
| 05:41.44 | Tem | I guess I will anyway |
| 05:46.11 | Tem | looks like I got it in time |
| 05:46.51 | Tain | ~saien |
| 05:46.56 | Tain | ~emulate saien |
| 05:46.57 | purl | I can most certainly judge code without having ever used it |
| 05:47.20 | Cairenn | did you like the way I put the next part of his argument right in there though, and then made it a non-issue? |
| 05:47.38 | Tem | aye |
| 05:47.41 | Tem | good call |
| 05:47.54 | Tem | Tain, did you see it before I deleted it? |
| 05:48.09 | Tain | No, I missed it. You went in when I wasn't looking. |
| 05:48.37 | Cairenn | "You are, of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself" |
| 05:48.44 | Tem | I quoted his first statement and said "You are, of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself." |
| 05:49.06 | Kolth | Can I see this thread? :) |
| 05:49.08 | kremonte | huhr |
| 05:49.13 | kremonte | what thread aboot saienenenenen? |
| 05:49.14 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=285815&p=1&tmp=1#post285815 |
| 05:49.15 | Tem | I deleted my reply |
| 05:49.19 | kremonte | domo cair |
| 05:49.22 | Tain | hah that's funny |
| 05:49.58 | kremonte | ... |
| 05:50.02 | kremonte | someone |
| 05:50.05 | kremonte | knife give |
| 05:50.11 | Tem | lol |
| 05:50.12 | kremonte | ./point saien |
| 05:50.19 | kremonte | knife give saien kill |
| 05:51.17 | kremonte | ~literal emulate saien |
| 05:51.18 | purl | "emulate saien" is "<reply>Slash commands are ametuish.||<reply>I could have helped you, but I won't.||<reply>You are of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself.||<reply>This is a stunningly stupid question to direct at me.||<reply>I can most certainly judge code without having ever used it||<reply>Implementation details are left to the monkeys" |
| 05:51.34 | kremonte | LOL |
| 05:51.49 | Cairenn | It would appear that my attempt at shutting him down before he got a chance to get started worked, so I'm happy |
| 05:52.03 | Tem | ~all hail Cairenn |
| 05:52.08 | Tem | ~praise Cairenn |
| 05:52.09 | purl | All hail Cairenn! |
| 05:52.34 | Tain | ~give Cairenn a cookie |
| 05:52.35 | purl | ACTION gives Cairenn a home-baked chocolate chip cookie to cheer him up. |
| 05:52.43 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:52.53 | kremonte | ~saien is see emulate saien |
| 05:52.54 | purl | okay, kremonte |
| 05:52.57 | kremonte | ~saien |
| 05:52.59 | purl | saien is probably see emulate saien |
| 05:53.02 | kremonte | grr |
| 05:53.07 | kremonte | purl, forget saien |
| 05:53.07 | purl | kremonte: i forgot saien |
| 05:53.14 | kremonte | *stops screwing with the bot* |
| 05:53.54 | Tem | ~saien |
| 05:53.55 | purl | Implementation details are left to the monkeys |
| 05:54.02 | kremonte | ~literal saien |
| 05:54.03 | purl | "saien" is "<reply> see emulate saien" |
| 05:54.07 | kremonte | oh! |
| 05:54.14 | Tem | sure |
| 05:54.18 | Tem | http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9625/saien2iy.gif |
| 05:55.03 | kremonte | lol Tem |
| 05:57.34 | Fanook|AFK | I'm still amazed at how many people love ZoneLevel |
| 05:57.42 | kremonte | Fanook|AFK - ZoneLevel? |
| 05:57.50 | kremonte | like what levels a zone is recommended for? |
| 05:57.50 | Tem | ^^ same question |
| 05:58.05 | kremonte | i think i had it when i used UUI at level 20. but i uninstalled it at 21 |
| 05:58.09 | Fanook|AFK | heh |
| 05:58.42 | Fanook|AFK | it lets you know how your level compares to the level the zone is supposed to be |
| 05:59.04 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4427 |
| 05:59.07 | kremonte | well, i suppose it's good if it's your first time playing through |
| 05:59.46 | Fanook|AFK | yeah, or exploring so you don't wander into WPL from Tirisfal and then wonder why stuff is killing you in 2 hits |
| 06:00.01 | kremonte | lol, damn undead |
| 06:00.20 | Fanook|AFK | added a query function so you can get the levels of any zone ingame |
| 06:00.24 | kremonte | i like my if > dun morogh > loch modan > wetlands > hillsbrad > arathi run! |
| 06:02.44 | kremonte | hrm |
| 06:02.49 | kremonte | i want something to code in php |
| 06:02.59 | kremonte | i'm being assimilated into the lua ;_; |
| 06:10.27 | Cairenn | okay, now I really am out ... later all |
| 06:10.45 | kremonte | night cair! |
| 06:11.42 | Cairenn|sleep | sweet dreams / have a good day (as applicable ;) ) |
| 06:13.12 | Kolth | ^^ She's got it down :) |
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| 07:00.05 | Depherios | Has anybody put any API stuff into perl? XD |
| 07:00.10 | Depherios | purl |
| 07:00.11 | Depherios | rather |
| 07:00.23 | Depherios | i.e. what they return, or the strata levels or anything neat? |
| 07:02.53 | Kolth | Making purl useful? wtf |
| 07:02.59 | Depherios | lol |
| 07:03.03 | Depherios | well? why not? XD |
| 07:09.02 | Ktron | heh |
| 07:09.12 | Ktron | I'm working on coding another bot for this channel |
| 07:09.18 | Ktron | see if I can't do some clever things |
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| 07:09.33 | Esamynn | evening all |
| 07:09.48 | Ktron | heh, it's slower work than I'd hope for though as windows and perl don't get along as well as I hoped |
| 07:09.51 | Ktron | purl, right? |
| 07:09.53 | purl | blah blah blah/spam spam spam/yaddayaddayaddayadda sis boom bam |
| 07:10.16 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:10.59 | Depherios | well... |
| 07:11.05 | Depherios | just because I always forget one... |
| 07:11.07 | Depherios | ~Strata |
| 07:11.09 | purl | somebody said strata was A Frame's Level. Possible Values from Low to High are; BACKGROUND, LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH, DIALOG, FULLSCREEN, FULLSCREEN_DIALOG, and TOOLTIP. |
| 07:11.37 | Tem | Ktron: well if you do make a bot for this channel give it search abilities at wowwiki |
| 07:11.45 | Depherios | yes, do that XD |
| 07:12.40 | Esamynn | haha, that would be neat ;) |
| 07:13.01 | Ktron | wowwiki search abilities I'm hoping, and hopefully same for wowi and allah at least |
| 07:15.02 | Esamynn | Here is a perfect example of why I rarely venture out of the WoW Ui forums. This is a thread topic from the first page of the general forums (it is locked by the way, but still): Whites Only Server |
| 07:15.04 | Esamynn | sigh |
| 07:17.32 | Esamynn | there are a few other locked threads along those lines too, I'm going back to the UI forums ;) |
| 07:50.50 | Ktron | I'm assuming no one here is fluent in IRC and perl well enough to aid me in my venture |
| 07:51.05 | Ktron | actually, I think it might just be an IRC fluency issue at the moment |
| 07:51.16 | Depherios | I know IRC, but not perl |
| 07:51.22 | Ktron | alright |
| 07:51.50 | Ktron | so you send text-based messages to the server, right? for example, "NICK Ktron" |
| 07:51.51 | Depherios | .... knew... I hope I still know ^_^ |
| 07:51.58 | Depherios | yeah |
| 07:52.11 | Ktron | what's the syntax to speak on a channel? |
| 07:52.22 | Depherios | ..... I don't remember :P |
| 07:52.43 | Depherios | buut *weeds though bookmarks* |
| 07:52.46 | Ktron | does "PRIVMSG #channel :hello" look right? |
| 07:52.54 | Ktron | heh, if you find something, I'd be very grateful |
| 07:54.33 | Depherios | I only remember useless things... like /me uses CTCP ACTION |
| 07:54.39 | Ktron | heh ;) |
| 07:55.19 | Ktron | heh |
| 07:55.26 | Ktron | someone in #perl caught my error |
| 07:55.33 | Ktron | I needed to send \r\n at the end ;) |
| 07:57.41 | Depherios | lol, all my bots were pure mIRC scripting |
| 07:57.46 | Depherios | painful, but fun |
| 07:59.47 | Ktron | lol |
| 07:59.51 | Ktron | mIRC, yuck |
| 08:00.24 | Ktron | you familiar with regex enough to help me a little with that? |
| 08:00.42 | Depherios | god no |
| 08:00.56 | Ktron | okay :) |
| 08:07.15 | Ktron | yay, I did! heh, no middle name though, damn |
| 08:18.01 | Esamynn | Ktron: I know a little about regex |
| 08:18.22 | Ktron | I figured out what I needed, thanks though Esamynn |
| 08:18.34 | Esamynn | ok |
| 08:20.20 | Ktron | I think I'm goign to have to use string parsing for most of it anyway |
| 08:21.12 | Esamynn | String Parsing, a nessecary evil |
| 08:21.19 | Esamynn | ~string parsing |
| 08:22.32 | Esamynn | purl, string parsing is a necessary evil |
| 08:22.33 | purl | okay, Esamynn |
| 08:22.37 | Esamynn | ~string parsing |
| 08:22.38 | purl | methinks string parsing is a necessary evil |
| 08:22.44 | Esamynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.46 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 08:22.46 | purl | Esamynn: aw, gee |
| 08:25.36 | Esamynn | night all |
| 08:25.46 | Depherios | g;night |
| 08:25.48 | Depherios | I'm off as well |
| 08:26.29 | Ktron | night Depherios |
| 08:26.30 | Depherios | G'night all... |
| 08:26.43 | Ktron | purl: you win |
| 08:28.00 | oxman | is Gello come here ? |
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| 09:03.17 | Ktron | night everyone, mI'll work more tomorrow |
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| 10:46.25 | id` | http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8590/wowscrnshot1225050124477bw.jpg |
| 10:46.28 | id` | http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/337/wowscrnshot1227051143269og.jpg |
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| 11:01.26 | oxman | not beauiful |
| 11:03.07 | oxman | not beautiful |
| 11:14.04 | id` | you mean |
| 11:14.05 | id` | ugly |
| 11:14.12 | id` | xP |
| 11:17.58 | oxman | yes |
| 12:46.13 | oxman | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2909 |
| 12:46.38 | oxman | a new recap |
| 12:54.12 | Griddlebone | Are they releasing the 1.9 patch today? |
| 13:08.47 | Codayus | No |
| 13:10.00 | Codayus | Well, very unlikely, anyhow. |
| 13:11.26 | Griddlebone | ^_^ |
| 13:15.38 | id` | <commercial> http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/index.php?page=home </commercial> |
| 13:15.41 | id` | :> |
| 13:15.56 | id` | just got my second addon (rip, cough) out. testing it now |
| 13:17.23 | id` | oops, errors |
| 13:17.47 | id` | ha-ha im such a sucker |
| 13:17.53 | id` | i used !+ instead of ~= |
| 13:17.59 | id` | !=* :P |
| 13:18.18 | id` | there, all fine |
| 13:35.37 | Griddlebone | What does your addon do? |
| 13:38.27 | Griddlebone | I wrote a minimap cleanup myself. ^_^; They seem pretty easy to write. |
| 13:38.54 | id` | yeah |
| 13:38.56 | id` | do'h |
| 13:39.00 | id` | im having trouble with it |
| 13:39.02 | id` | it wont work |
| 13:39.03 | id` | >_< |
| 13:39.14 | id` | let me reupload so u can see the code as its now |
| 13:39.15 | Griddlebone | Though it took me ages to figure out how to get rid of the title bar. *sigh* |
| 13:40.11 | id` | there, re-uploaded it |
| 13:40.33 | id` | the problem is that it doesnt fire idMinimap:OnLoad() |
| 13:41.27 | id` | it does appear in my addon list |
| 13:41.49 | Griddlebone | I've run into that too. Give me a moment while I take a peek at the code. I'm still new to this stuff, but maybe a fresh pair of eyes might spot an 'oops'. ^_^ |
| 13:42.18 | id` | k :) |
| 13:42.23 | id` | ya me too im pretty new |
| 13:42.45 | id` | I decided i need to redo alot of addons that i use |
| 13:42.52 | id` | redo/rip |
| 13:43.09 | id` | i converted ChatScroll into idChat (14kb -> 3kb) |
| 13:43.28 | id` | and now MapScroll into idMap (abotu the same) |
| 13:43.36 | id` | ill end up with my own compilation |
| 13:43.48 | id` | best thing is that there is no configurability whatsoever |
| 13:44.09 | id` | because by making them i already configured them |
| 13:44.27 | Griddlebone | First question... why wasn't there line breaks in the .toc file? The way it was being read, the idMinimap.lua was being listed as an optional dependancy. Also, why are you listing the .lua file there... aren't you supposed to list your .xml ? |
| 13:45.44 | id` | do'h cause i use a unix editor |
| 13:47.27 | Griddlebone | MinimapBorderTop? ARG! Why couldn't I have learned about that one MONTHS ago... *insert much crying here* |
| 13:47.47 | oxman | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2909 |
| 13:48.04 | oxman | awesome |
| 13:48.12 | oxman | «You've made an engine that dynamic manage filter from Blizzard variables! |
| 13:48.15 | oxman | If your engine manage well the complexity of french langage you must make this engine as a library for others mods.» |
| 13:48.16 | id` | right got it |
| 13:48.19 | id` | works now |
| 13:48.23 | id` | thanks Griddlebone |
| 13:48.35 | Griddlebone | I'm glad I could help. ^_^ |
| 13:49.18 | id` | :) |
| 13:49.35 | Griddlebone | I have a question though... do you still occasionally use the minimap toggle button? You're hiding it, but it's still click-able. |
| 13:49.40 | id` | im not posting these on any site yet until i have lots of them |
| 13:50.16 | id` | you mean the red X button? |
| 13:50.21 | id` | not clickable here.. |
| 13:50.21 | Griddlebone | Yes |
| 13:50.43 | Griddlebone | Hmm... I have a feeling I've been doing things the hard way. ;_; |
| 13:51.00 | id` | download mine, be happy :p |
| 13:51.08 | id` | hasnt even got ace as a dependency :< |
| 13:53.00 | Griddlebone | I've stolen your MinimapBorderTop. ^_^ For the last couple of weeks I've been setting the entire minimap to alpha=0, disabling the text and toggle buttons, and then setting alpha back to 10. |
| 13:54.35 | Griddlebone | MinimapCluster:ClearAllPoints(); |
| 13:54.44 | Griddlebone | MinimapCluster:SetPoint("TOPRIGHT", "UIParent", "TOPRIGHT", 0, 18); |
| 13:54.50 | oxman | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2909 |
| 13:55.10 | Griddlebone | That drags the minimap up by 18 pixels (getting rid of the space that the title bar used to take). |
| 13:55.15 | oxman | im sweet :p |
| 13:56.27 | id` | Griddlebone: nice |
| 13:57.18 | id` | Griddlebone: and fyi, ';' are obsolete in lua |
| 13:57.26 | id` | s/are/is/ |
| 13:59.16 | Griddlebone | I know. I write my .lua files different then you do. In fact, I've never seen them written the way you did. |
| 13:59.29 | Tain | I need to look into how the chat history works. I don't like the way it stores and overwrites commands. |
| 13:59.42 | id` | Tain: yes that sucks |
| 13:59.44 | id` | big time |
| 14:00.00 | id` | it should work like any decent console |
| 14:00.29 | id` | exept for defaulting to /say and all 'commands' being slash commands |
| 14:00.41 | id` | :p |
| 14:07.56 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/index.php?page=idMinimap |
| 14:08.00 | id` | now with sexy border |
| 14:08.02 | id` | err |
| 14:08.07 | id` | screenshot! |
| 14:11.50 | Griddlebone | id`, I think I see a problem based off of your screenshot... |
| 14:12.34 | id` | o what |
| 14:12.35 | id` | ? |
| 14:14.57 | Griddlebone | Pulling the minimap up to get rid of the wasted space is great, but pulling it to the right may cause problems. You're going to have a hard time seeing the mail, meeting stone, and other buttons on the right side of the minimap (unless you plan on relocating them on your next update). Also, if people shift-click to use the generic quest tracking, information is going to be running of the screen (since it depends on the minimap frame for placement |
| 14:15.26 | id` | darn you're right |
| 14:15.34 | Griddlebone | ^_^ |
| 14:15.37 | id` | i think ill leave it at its default position |
| 14:15.55 | id` | because there are people that have mdoes that can place buttons all around the minimap (curse them) |
| 14:16.00 | id` | modes* |
| 14:16.02 | id` | mods** |
| 14:16.09 | Griddlebone | I had to deal with that when I wrote my minimap clean-up addon. I decided to move the buttons. |
| 14:16.26 | Tain | Leave just enough space for the buttons, or make people move them. |
| 14:16.31 | Tain | The second choice is my perference. |
| 14:16.46 | Tain | Then again, I only use 2 buttons and my mail notification. |
| 14:17.10 | Griddlebone | Moving the generic buttons is really easy though. *nod nod* If you want to go that route. |
| 14:17.10 | Tain | That was zero buttons until I started playing a hunter. |
| 14:23.45 | groll | baah i dont know what to get for my x-mas money!! :/ either a new tv and a dvd and surround system... cheap stuff.. OR the new soundblaster card and surround speakers to that |
| 14:23.48 | groll | heeelp :P |
| 14:24.58 | Griddlebone | Which do you use more? |
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| 16:39.48 | norganna | k - does anyone know what FR is? |
| 16:40.03 | Tain | Fire Resist? French? |
| 16:40.07 | norganna | like if they say "80+ FR", what's that? |
| 16:40.12 | norganna | ahh |
| 16:40.20 | Tain | Definitely 80+ French |
| 16:40.24 | norganna | Fire resist... that's prolly it |
| 16:40.30 | Tain | Yeah I believe so. :) |
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| 16:42.44 | norganna | hmmm - you know what? being a mod author does not help me get into a MC guild... at all. |
| 16:44.26 | futrtrubl | hello all, I hope you had a merry x-mass |
| 16:45.03 | Cairenn | hey hey futrtrubl! :) |
| 16:45.17 | Cairenn | Trust you are home safe and sound? |
| 16:45.32 | futrtrubl | After much drama, yes |
| 16:45.59 | Cairenn | uh oh, drama is never good when discussing travelling |
| 16:45.59 | futrtrubl | It was quite an adventure |
| 16:47.03 | futrtrubl | well, the documents did not arive on time for my flight, fedex had them as being out for delivery on the 23rd but ther didn't get delivered till the morning of the 24th... |
| 16:47.12 | Cairenn | gah |
| 16:48.31 | futrtrubl | so I got a late flight on the 24th, overnighting in Dallas and flighing on to Jamaica on Christmas day. So I scheduled a taxi to take me to the a shuttle to take me to the airport. Needless to say the taxi was late and I missed the shuttle |
| 16:51.09 | futrtrubl | I was NOT going to miss that damn flight so I was getting a taxi to take me to the airport (wrich was going to cost me $150) when the shuttle people came to me saying that the shuttle was in a nearby town picking up people and if I could get there quickly they would hold it there for me. So the taxi guy, feeling guilty, offered to take me there for free ;'] |
| 16:51.23 | Cairenn | yay |
| 16:52.36 | futrtrubl | so I made it on the flight and home. I had the last flight of the day, but a previous flight had been delayed to being later than mine, so I could have made it by taking a later shuttle... |
| 16:53.00 | Cairenn | well, you got there, that's what really matters :) |
| 16:53.27 | futrtrubl | yup, good food and good company on Christmas |
| 16:54.58 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 17:29.46 | Ktron|sleep | morning |
| 17:32.45 | Cairenn | morning Ktron :) |
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| 18:20.15 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is This channel is for dev discussion only. Be respectful. No spamming the bot, and no bothering Slouken about work. Get along. Have fun. |
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| 18:23.15 | MoonWolf | one question. did the us client patch ? |
| 18:24.19 | Fanook | no |
| 18:24.25 | MoonWolf | :( |
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| 18:25.43 | Fanook | they expect to patch shortly after new years |
| 18:25.50 | MoonWolf | yay |
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| 19:56.59 | Natasem | How was everyone’s X-mas, Yule Log, Hanukah, ect ect ect? |
| 19:57.17 | Natasem | Question: does Titan Panel use less Memory than say Cosmos? |
| 19:58.11 | Tain | Well Cosmos is a whole bunch of things. |
| 19:59.11 | Tain | I do know that Titan Panel is one of the bigger on my own system. |
| 20:00.16 | Natasem | ya i turn alot of stuff off in Cosmo |
| 20:00.37 | Natasem | or delete them all together, like shard tracker and stuff that doesn't pertain to my classes |
| 20:01.01 | Tain | There is an addon called Warmup that shows you how much each addon takes when you load up. It requires Ace as a dependancy. |
| 20:01.06 | Tain | I think. |
| 20:01.09 | Tain | Wait no it doesn't. |
| 20:01.25 | Tain | It doesn't need Ace. |
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| 20:24.31 | Natasem | warmup hu? |
| 20:24.36 | Natasem | someone shoot me |
| 20:24.41 | Natasem | i hate the flu |
| 20:25.50 | Cairenn | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1644 |
| 20:26.35 | Natasem | eh that could be why i can't find it on your site |
| 20:27.19 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=284479&p=3 |
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| 20:27.35 | Cairenn | Slouken put a topic up for discussion within the Font Objects thread |
| 20:27.41 | Cairenn | post #42 |
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| 20:32.58 | Tem|Errands | oh I just saw something like another christmas present |
| 20:33.13 | Tem|Errands | The new font objects can be created on the fly! |
| 20:33.28 | Tem|Errands | that's just one step away from on the fly frames |
| 20:34.20 | Cairenn | "we have the technology" |
| 20:37.12 | Kolth | I thought you could already create frames at runtime |
| 20:41.49 | Tem|Errands | Kolth: no, you can't |
| 20:42.11 | Tem|Errands | but hopefully he will come up with a system that works with these new font objects |
| 20:42.40 | Tem|Errands | and then he can use the same or similar structure to allow instantiation of frames at run time |
| 20:42.45 | Tem|Errands | which would be *awesome* |
| 20:43.35 | Kolth | Yeah. |
| 20:44.37 | id` | really these anti violence guys are driving me nuts |
| 20:44.39 | id` | http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=13129#13129 |
| 20:44.49 | id` | i just cant stand it anymore |
| 20:44.50 | id` | :| |
| 20:45.17 | id` | go live in a hut and shit in the woods with the bears if you are that anti violence |
| 20:45.40 | id` | but dont play GAMES ONLINE in wich the goal is to KILL OTHER PEOPLE and have FUN while doing it. |
| 20:45.47 | id` | >:) |
| 20:45.50 | id` | i mean |
| 20:45.52 | id` | >:( |
| 20:45.56 | id` | *grumble* |
| 20:47.00 | Kolth | Who's against violence in that thread? |
| 20:47.15 | Kolth | ah |
| 20:47.25 | Kolth | tekkub is a complete idiot. |
| 20:47.26 | Kolth | Eek |
| 20:47.51 | id` | tekkub and orione and rowne and etcetc |
| 20:48.14 | id` | hey im not denying that they do a great job with coding.\ |
| 20:48.27 | id` | its just thae whole anti violence thing, jeez |
| 20:48.37 | Kolth | How did people not expect WoW to be about PvP? |
| 20:48.42 | Kolth | Blizzard announced the game as such. |
| 20:48.49 | id` | hey i dunno |
| 20:49.04 | id` | btw as you could have read i havent played pvp ever in wow |
| 20:49.09 | id` | i have 20 chars all lvl 10 |
| 20:49.12 | id` | but im cool with it |
| 20:49.18 | id` | because i like to eplore the storyline |
| 20:49.19 | Kolth | hah |
| 20:49.28 | id` | roleplay a bit |
| 20:49.34 | id` | (even on pvp servers) |
| 20:49.36 | Tem|Errands | Cairenn: I like Gello's suggestion to the FAW |
| 20:49.39 | Kolth | Well. You miss most of the storyline by diong that, Id |
| 20:49.55 | Tem|Errands | Cairenn: er, FAQ |
| 20:49.59 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 20:50.00 | id` | Kolth: nah, ill get to know more of it because i play all sides at the same time |
| 20:50.21 | Kolth | But you'll never experience Argent Dawn stuff or Thorium Brotherhood. |
| 20:50.33 | Kolth | Some of the high-end factions, like Zandalar. |
| 20:50.45 | id` | yeah |
| 20:50.49 | id` | i will, in time |
| 20:50.50 | id` | :p |
| 20:50.52 | Kolth | :) |
| 20:51.04 | Tem|Errands | Cairenn: Add this to his short question/answer part because I'm tired of seeing it: Q:"Does wow support the Logitech G15 keyboard?" A: No. Q: Can we get some APIs to allow interaction with it? A: No, go away. |
| 20:51.15 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:51.28 | Tem|Errands | seriously, there were 4 threads yesterday |
| 20:51.31 | Tem|Errands | and a new one today |
| 20:52.37 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 20:53.02 | Cairenn | Like I said, I really need to clean up/rewrite the thread, it's just trying to find the motivation to do so .... |
| 20:53.31 | Cairenn | and be damned if I want to do it by myself, it isn't "my" thread, I'm just the one maintaining it |
| 20:53.32 | Tem|Errands | oh yeah, ask slouken to move your thread to the top of the list |
| 20:53.39 | id` | a wiki comes in handy here |
| 20:53.40 | id` | :P |
| 20:53.43 | id` | (i think) |
| 20:54.07 | Tem|Errands | and put "FAQ" as the first part of the title. |
| 20:54.13 | Cairenn | Tem|Errands: I don't know that he can re-arrange the order in which threads appear |
| 20:54.50 | Tem|Errands | Then delete some of those other threads |
| 20:55.12 | Tem|Errands | Most of those could proabably (should probably) be incorporated into the FAQ anyway |
| 20:55.43 | Tem|Errands | does anyone ever look at the addon list? |
| 20:55.48 | Tem|Errands | Seems kinda pointless to me |
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| 20:56.30 | Tem|Errands | anyway, I think the stickies could be cleaned up a bit |
| 20:56.43 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 20:56.47 | Tem|Errands | s/a bit/a lot/ |
| 20:56.50 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:58.37 | Tem|Errands | Ok I need to go |
| 20:58.46 | Cairenn | later Tem|Errands :) |
| 20:58.47 | Tem|Errands | getting links taken out of my new watch |
| 21:00.28 | dukeku | i miss being able to install a new addon with just /reloadui :( |
| 21:00.45 | Cairenn | thank the hackers |
| 21:00.51 | dukeku | friggin' jerks |
| 21:01.03 | dukeku | what did they do to make them remove that, though? :O |
| 21:01.10 | Cairenn | and you know what I mean by that, so no getting your panties in a wad folks :p |
| 21:01.17 | dukeku | i don't ;( |
| 21:01.40 | Cairenn | by hackers I'm not talking about you guys, I'm talking about those that exploit :p |
| 21:01.41 | dukeku | i used to watch a few of the hacking sites back in the day out of curiosity, but they shut down and i've since lost interest in bothering to find them again (seeing as i don't hack :P) |
| 21:02.55 | dukeku | i can't believe there's actually people who pay good money to get hacks that will probably get them banned within a month anyways |
| 21:03.49 | Cairenn | yeah well, I'm naive ... I can't believe there are actually people that create these hacks in the first place ... I just don't understand |
| 21:04.06 | dukeku | eh, that's just the way it is in online games |
| 21:04.07 | Cairenn | what's the point of playing a game if you're just gonna cheat |
| 21:04.17 | dukeku | i spent a few years helping on an anticheat for my favorite FPS |
| 21:04.42 | dukeku | mainly by grabbing the hacks and helping get them detected, because i can't code :p |
| 21:05.01 | dukeku | there are people who just spend all of their free time developing more |
| 21:05.12 | dukeku | but in MMORPGs you have the farming market |
| 21:05.27 | dukeku | last i heard, some of the farming companies pay big for exploits :P |
| 21:05.33 | Cairenn | yup =/ |
| 21:07.50 | dukeku | but yeah, back to my question...what did they do that removed the ability to install new addons with /reloadui? |
| 21:08.07 | Cairenn | figured out ways to exploit it |
| 21:08.48 | dukeku | lame :( |
| 21:25.43 | krka | i imagine most cheats is because people want to skip the boring content and do the fun |
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| 21:26.45 | Hexarobi | anyone know of an addon that uses a simple list box? |
| 21:30.57 | Cide | simple list box? |
| 21:31.09 | Cide | you mean a list with a scroll? |
| 21:32.36 | Hexarobi | ya |
| 21:32.58 | Cide | well, the menu for CTRA's Debuff Curing system might have what you're thinking of |
| 21:33.13 | Cide | not sure how experienced you are with XML though, might be hard to find what you're looking for in the xml file if you aren't |
| 21:34.08 | Hexarobi | CT_RaidAssist? |
| 21:34.12 | Cide | yes |
| 21:35.57 | Hexarobi | im just trying to do a listbox populated with filenames from a directory, then clicking the title in the list says the name in chat |
| 21:36.10 | Hexarobi | cant find any simple examples of a list box to hack ;) |
| 21:36.18 | id` | need a bit of help with this: http://pastebin.com/480728 |
| 21:36.25 | Hexarobi | ill check out CTRA |
| 21:37.14 | Cide | id`: try ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Executing OnLoad for " .. self:GetName()) in OnLoad |
| 21:38.12 | id` | hmm, yes.. |
| 21:38.19 | Cide | err |
| 21:38.43 | Cide | looking at the actual code |
| 21:39.00 | Cide | you call idAutoAttack:OnLoad(), and then try to do idAutoAttack:RegisterEvent, but idAutoAttack is a table and not a frame |
| 21:39.32 | id` | oh right |
| 21:39.39 | id` | (need to get used not to cling to ace) |
| 21:39.42 | Cide | hehe |
| 21:39.51 | id` | >_< |
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| 21:49.21 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is This channel is for dev discussion only. Be respectful. No spamming the bot, and no bothering Slouken about work. Get along. Have fun. |
| 21:49.23 | id` | Tem|Errands: some guy posted an addon 2 minutes ago on wowace. i re-did it for myself. not going to release it |
| 21:49.30 | Tem|Errands | aye |
| 21:49.33 | id` | i literally cut and pasted |
| 21:51.12 | Tem|Errands | ew |
| 21:51.41 | id` | ? :p |
| 21:51.47 | Tem|Errands | esp the hard return after "function" |
| 21:52.27 | Tem|Errands | instead of doing "function blah(..) \n ... \n end" he does "function \n Blah(...) \n ... \n end" |
| 21:53.14 | Tem|Errands | his disable function is useless since AceAutomatically does an UnHookAll right after calling Disable |
| 21:54.11 | Tem|Errands | seems a lot of people don't know about that one |
| 21:54.30 | GenNMX | Now now, we can't make fun of new coders -- it'll discourage. |
| 21:54.49 | GenNMX | Play nice, Tem. |
| 21:55.07 | Tem|Errands | oh that's what I'm doing |
| 21:55.17 | Tem|Errands | I'm going to make constructive suggestions |
| 21:55.23 | Tem|Errands | and point out the parts that he doesn't need |
| 21:56.40 | Valek | how do i take the item level information? (the one thottbot shows) |
| 21:57.07 | Tem|Errands | thottbot guesses from the item stats afaik |
| 21:57.19 | Tem|Errands | Oh wait, no |
| 21:57.40 | Tem|Errands | Slouken said once that the "real item level" was the required level + 10 |
| 21:57.52 | Valek | hmm.. i saw a thread on raid forum saying they take from the game... but didnt find how :( |
| 21:59.14 | Tem|Errands | Hmm, just looking at some items I was wrong |
| 21:59.16 | Valek | hmm... but what about itens for lvl 60? Epic sets Tier 2 are all +70 or something :) |
| 21:59.19 | Tem|Errands | the +10 thing isn't right |
| 21:59.32 | Tem|Errands | I would look in the thottbot addon |
| 22:00.00 | Valek | i thought GetItemInfo would do the job, but it doesn't return this info :( |
| 22:00.02 | Tem|Errands | if it's not there, then item level is being deduced by the stats or something |
| 22:00.16 | Valek | nice idea :) |
| 22:00.42 | Tem|Errands | I've always wondered what the purpose of the "item level" was |
| 22:01.16 | Valek | it seems blizz use this information to calculate the stats given to itens... |
| 22:02.58 | krka | http://qdb.us/53151 what a retard, you always test your programs for small inputs before running it for big ones |
| 22:07.24 | futrtrubl | plus item level is used to determine if it is high enough for a given armor kit (and perhaps some enchants etc) |
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| 22:18.03 | GenNMX | CloneCD/DVD is great. |
| 22:18.20 | GenNMX | Oops. |
| 22:22.59 | Valek | all i found is http://www.wowwiki.com/Sea.wow.item.getItemInfo |
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| 22:23.16 | Valek | but didnt find on this on my sea version thought |
| 22:24.57 | id` | Enable = function(self) |
| 22:24.57 | id` | self:RegisterEvent('PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED', 'PlayerTargetChanged') |
| 22:24.57 | id` | ace:print('PlayerTargetChanged') |
| 22:25.01 | id` | how can this not work |
| 22:25.06 | id` | i see nothing in my chat frame |
| 22:25.08 | id` | :| |
| 22:25.26 | id` | i must be really tired or something |
| 22:26.03 | id` | oh i suck |
| 22:26.07 | id` | i didnt register for load |
| 22:26.09 | id` | >_< |
| 22:26.19 | id` | spent an hour on this |
| 22:28.12 | Tain | Now you know. |
| 22:28.16 | Tain | And knowing is half the battle. |
| 22:29.04 | Eraphine | Dare we... continue. |
| 22:31.43 | id` | Q: What is the difference between self and this? |
| 22:32.21 | GenNMX | Does Lua have "this" too? |
| 22:32.43 | GenNMX | I might like C++, but I also agree that it has a lot of stupid conventions..."this" |
| 22:33.11 | GenNMX | Ahh the days of "this->rhs" |
| 22:33.17 | id` | :p |
| 22:33.38 | GenNMX | At least give us "that"! |
| 22:33.44 | GenNMX | this->rhs = that->rhs |
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| 22:36.24 | id` | no but really, what is the difference between self and this? |
| 22:36.43 | Tain | Well, I don't know 100%. I just know that I've copied usage from other addons, basically calling a Lua function from XML, this: would be the frame name that you're calling from. |
| 22:37.08 | Tain | Put a screenshot up also. |
| 22:38.05 | Tain | Or actually the frame object you're calling from. |
| 22:38.10 | Cide | "this" is set whenever an <OnX> handler is called as far as I know |
| 22:38.16 | Cide | and it's set to the frame which it is called for |
| 22:49.21 | krka | this is just a global variable that blizzard sets |
| 22:49.34 | krka | it gets set upon an event, and it is set to the frame that got the event |
| 22:49.47 | krka | hmm... I feel so redundant |
| 22:50.03 | id` | ^^ |
| 22:50.14 | krka | oh well, not like there's a huge conversation going on |
| 22:50.52 | Cairenn | omg spammer! |
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| 22:52.19 | krka | anyway, the only global variables that blizzard like to set that I know of are: this, event, arg1, ..., arg9 |
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| 22:52.37 | Cairenn | hey pf |
| 22:52.42 | pagefault | hey |
| 22:53.37 | pagefault | have a nice xmas? |
| 22:53.54 | Valek | didnt find a way to get the itemlevel... :( |
| 22:54.06 | Cairenn | Hubby arrived home Christmas Eve ... yup, my Christmas has been great :) |
| 22:54.13 | Cairenn | hope yours has been |
| 22:56.09 | krka | are we allowed to say xmas? |
| 22:56.19 | Cairenn | why not? |
| 22:56.20 | krka | isn't it generic winter holiday or something |
| 22:56.26 | Cairenn | not in this channel |
| 22:56.29 | Depherios | lol |
| 22:56.48 | krka | anyone saw the SNL with Dane Cook? |
| 22:56.55 | krka | that had a great intro-thingy |
| 22:56.58 | Cairenn | Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Blessed Yule, whatever ... |
| 23:00.05 | pagefault | Cairenn, thats good |
| 23:00.10 | pagefault | new years soon! |
| 23:01.17 | Cairenn | if someone is so bloody anal retentive that they can't wish someone a happy <whatever>, and take said greetings in return in the spirit in which they are offered, then they are welcome to go be in some other channel |
| 23:01.34 | Tain | Dancing around the fesitvus pole! |
| 23:02.58 | krka | I don't have any holidays, you insentive clod |
| 23:03.12 | krka | Or: I celebrate Cowboy Neal-day |
| 23:03.31 | Cairenn | well then, Happy Cowboy Neal-day to you :p |
| 23:04.44 | Cairenn | if one of my friends who is Jewish wished me a Happy Hanukkah, I'd thank them for the blessing and thought behind the phrase, not get my knickers in a twist because I'm not Jewish ... this whole "politically correct" bullshit is so out of line it's stupid |
| 23:04.50 | krka | damn, my throat hurts... anyone have any good tips? |
| 23:04.53 | krka | tea didn't help |
| 23:05.04 | Tain | My god can beat up your god. |
| 23:05.07 | Cairenn | warm salt water - gargle with it |
| 23:05.22 | krka | really? |
| 23:05.30 | Cairenn | oh heck yea |
| 23:05.53 | krka | hmm... alright, stay tuned for report |
| 23:05.58 | Cairenn | warm water out of the tap, add some salt, swirl it around, gargle |
| 23:06.42 | pagefault | I find if I have a shot of something strong |
| 23:06.44 | pagefault | it helps a lot |
| 23:06.50 | Cairenn | hehehehe pagefault |
| 23:06.55 | pagefault | no really |
| 23:07.00 | pagefault | it burns the hell out of whatever is in your throat |
| 23:07.07 | Cairenn | aye, sometimes |
| 23:07.45 | pagefault | I had a sore throat the other day, I guess cold is going around |
| 23:08.28 | Cairenn | lol, it's contagious and we are all passing it around to each other via the channel? ;) |
| 23:08.38 | pagefault | maybe |
| 23:08.41 | pagefault | hehe |
| 23:09.28 | Cairenn | omg, don't join the wowi-lounge, they've all got strep throat, you don't want to catch it! |
| 23:09.36 | krka | hmm... I think it helped a little |
| 23:09.48 | krka | you may also note that I didn't make any comment about warm and salt! |
| 23:09.50 | Cairenn | that was fast :p |
| 23:10.06 | krka | people have been known to say that to me |
| 23:10.45 | Cairenn | I was meaning like an 8-oz glass with a teaspoon of salt in it, gargle a mouthful, spit it out, gargle another mouthful |
| 23:10.54 | krka | that's what I did |
| 23:11.01 | krka | except I don't know how much 8 oz is |
| 23:11.07 | krka | or a teaspoon |
| 23:11.08 | Cairenn | and yes, I'm well aware of the connotations, but I"m ignoring them as well :p |
| 23:11.14 | krka | and with salt, you mean NaCl, right? :) |
| 23:11.24 | Cairenn | standard table salt, yes :p |
| 23:11.37 | krka | ack! I used iodized |
| 23:12.42 | Cairenn | table salt is iodized, duh |
| 23:12.59 | krka | is iodized a word btw? I figured i just made it up |
| 23:13.05 | Ktron | or is it... ionized? |
| 23:13.20 | Ktron | krka: definitely a word. |
| 23:13.25 | Cairenn | such geeks :p |
| 23:13.27 | Ktron | does purl do definitions? |
| 23:13.41 | krka | yay, my english skillz are off the chart |
| 23:13.43 | Cairenn | if it's been programmed with the word in question, yes |
| 23:13.59 | krka | make purl do a dictionary.com lookup |
| 23:14.04 | krka | that way, it might even have some use |
| 23:14.14 | krka | or a wowwiki-lookup! |
| 23:14.22 | krka | or a thottbot lookup |
| 23:15.59 | krka | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=286153&p=1&tmp=1#post286153 |
| 23:16.00 | krka | omg! |
| 23:16.00 | Ktron | I'm working on a bot to do that |
| 23:16.27 | Ktron | heh |
| 23:16.30 | Ktron | that rocks |
| 23:16.39 | Ktron | hello interface designing addons |
| 23:17.33 | pagefault | thats so sexy |
| 23:17.58 | Ktron | yeah, that rocks |
| 23:18.19 | Ktron | I wonder if there will be a way to remove frames as well |
| 23:18.23 | Ktron | if not, we should request it |
| 23:18.53 | krka | gah, how annoying |
| 23:19.04 | krka | anyway to check for "A more powerful spell is already active"? |
| 23:19.04 | Ktron | what? |
| 23:19.25 | krka | basically, my addon tries to do "Mark of the Wild" on a target with "Gift of the Wild" |
| 23:19.34 | krka | how do I make it understand that it doesn't need to? |
| 23:19.40 | krka | (except big ass table) |
| 23:20.14 | GenNMX | krka: Check IsBuffActive, use their code or as a dependency |
| 23:20.19 | krka | Ktron: removing addons would just be to hide them, and not let anything reference them, right? |
| 23:20.46 | krka | but then I would have to know what spells are better than others |
| 23:20.54 | krka | I want to avoid having to make that table |
| 23:21.07 | krka | (or, make it dynamically, if possible) |
| 23:21.58 | GenNMX | krka: You need a table to know which spell to cast when the "A More Powerful Spell Is in Effect" is thrown anyway (by the way, it's a chat error message) |
| 23:22.31 | krka | looks like a UIErrorFrame message |
| 23:22.36 | Ktron | krka: maybe save memory too |
| 23:22.55 | krka | huh? I know which spell is cast |
| 23:23.04 | krka | i just don't know which spell it interferes with |
| 23:23.10 | Tain | When do we get 1.10? |
| 23:23.14 | Tain | Can't we just skip there? |
| 23:23.17 | Tain | I don't need 1.9 |
| 23:24.09 | GenNMX | krka: You know which spell is cast, but how do you know Gift of the Wild is better then Mark of the Wild? |
| 23:24.24 | krka | exactly |
| 23:24.37 | krka | I know one of the targets buffs is better, but not which one |
| 23:24.57 | GenNMX | How do you know one of the target's buffs is better? |
| 23:25.15 | krka | because I get the message "A more powerful spell is already active" |
| 23:25.23 | GenNMX | Wait, let's start over -- what is this addon suppose to do? |
| 23:25.44 | krka | it's kind of a One Hit Wonder addon |
| 23:25.52 | krka | you define lists of spells to cast |
| 23:26.03 | krka | and it tries to cast the first spell that is possible to cast |
| 23:26.25 | krka | the problem is that it does Mark of the Wild even though it shouldn't |
| 23:26.31 | krka | so it never progresses down the list |
| 23:26.57 | GenNMX | So if the target has Gift of the Wild, it casts Mark of the Wild? |
| 23:27.01 | krka | yes |
| 23:27.31 | GenNMX | Are you catching SPELL_FAILED? |
| 23:27.36 | krka | no |
| 23:28.02 | GenNMX | Well if the spell fails, shouldn't it go down to the next one in the list? |
| 23:28.33 | krka | well, how do I know that's still the wrong thing to do the next time you hit the button? |
| 23:28.37 | krka | i prefer to keep it stateless |
| 23:29.30 | GenNMX | OK, I'm confused again |
| 23:30.13 | GenNMX | CastSpellByName("Spell1"); CastSpellByName("Spell2"); If Spell1 fails, then Spell2 will attempt to be cast. If Spell1 succeeds, then Spell2 will not be cast. This is the natural progression of the WoW API. |
| 23:31.38 | krka | that's not how it works though |
| 23:31.48 | GenNMX | How your addon works? |
| 23:31.57 | krka | if's more like: if conditionA then castspell A elseif conditionB then castspellB end |
| 23:32.09 | GenNMX | What are conditions A and B? |
| 23:32.17 | krka | it checks if the spell is in range and enough mana, and custom conditions et.c. |
| 23:32.55 | krka | oh well, guess I have to make a big table :( |
| 23:33.16 | GenNMX | Why does your addon need to check for range and mana? The WoW API already does that. But custom conditions I can understand. |
| 23:33.27 | krka | IsBetterThan["Mark of the Wild"]["Gift of the Wild"] = 1 |
| 23:33.42 | krka | because otherwise it tries to cast the spell and stops |
| 23:34.06 | krka | i want to stop the loop as soon as I cast a spell |
| 23:34.46 | krka | I suppose I could just set my own cooldown timer on failure |
| 23:34.50 | GenNMX | So what happens if someone wants the condition if spell1 fails, cast spell2 ? |
| 23:34.56 | krka | "don't try this again for 30 sec" |
| 23:35.05 | krka | that won't work |
| 23:35.22 | GenNMX | Works for me with simple macros |
| 23:35.24 | krka | so I need to make sure it won't fail |
| 23:35.28 | krka | this isn't a simple macro :) |
| 23:35.40 | Cide | you can't check everything (range & LoS) |
| 23:35.47 | Cide | well, you can check range to some extent |
| 23:35.59 | GenNMX | CastSpellByName("Spell1"); CastSpellByName("Spell2"); <-- Spell2 will always try to fire if Spell1 fails |
| 23:36.26 | GenNMX | Exactly Cide |
| 23:36.33 | krka | won't be spammed with lots of errors then though? |
| 23:36.38 | GenNMX | It's better to catch SPELL_FAILED, SPELL_INTERRUPTED, SPELL_SUCCESS, etc. |
| 23:36.55 | GenNMX | krka: You can hook the error messages if you don't want them displayed, that's the easiest way |
| 23:37.34 | krka | you have a point about LoS and stuff though |
| 23:37.36 | GenNMX | Only allow the message to pass if your mod didn't start casting a spell |
| 23:39.15 | krka | isn't that also kinda difficult to keep track of? |
| 23:39.34 | GenNMX | What is hard to keep track of? |
| 23:39.47 | krka | which errors are from my mod and which are from the user |
| 23:40.40 | GenNMX | Well, it wouldn't be 99% foolproof, but it fixes a lot of other issues. You'd have to hook SPELLCAST_START, SPELLCAST_SUCCESS, SPELLCAST_INTERRUPTED, SPELLCAST_STOP, SPELLCAST_FAILURE |
| 23:40.52 | GenNMX | Not hook, register for these events |
| 23:41.39 | krka | those are evil though, right? |
| 23:41.50 | krka | like being triggered oddly |
| 23:41.52 | GenNMX | Why are they evil? |
| 23:42.11 | krka | you get SPELLCAST_STOP twice, once at start and once at end |
| 23:42.21 | krka | afair |
| 23:42.32 | GenNMX | Only for interrupts krka -- check the spellcast delay |
| 23:42.43 | GenNMX | interrupts? I mean instant |
| 23:43.10 | krka | still, that's odd behaviour imo |
| 23:44.24 | GenNMX | Well, that's how they had to do it. An instant technically has no START and STOP casting time, so they decided sending the event twice in a row would be a good indicator instead of making a unique event. |
| 23:44.58 | krka | i'd still prefer a start and stop at the same time |
| 23:45.05 | krka | well, stop right after the start |
| 23:45.27 | GenNMX | But the server might not be able to give you those start and stops "right at the same time" |
| 23:45.46 | krka | true, I suppose |
| 23:45.52 | GenNMX | The original idea could have been not to give spell casting delay either |
| 23:45.55 | krka | why would they need to send it at all btw? |
| 23:46.07 | krka | just SPELLCAST_SUCCESS should be enough |
| 23:46.59 | GenNMX | Because it might not have been successful. Out of mana, out of range, LOS, etc. |
| 23:47.43 | GenNMX | But the real reason is probably because there are instants which can make other spells instants. I'm guessing the way the internal functions work, it was easier to send two STOP events. |
| 23:48.03 | Tem | I wish people who don't know wtf they are talking about would stfu on the forums |
| 23:48.30 | krka | and then you send SPELLCAST_FAILURE instead |
| 23:48.37 | Cairenn | lol, which *particular* thread this time Tem? |
| 23:48.38 | krka | START and STOP should not be needed for instants |
| 23:48.50 | Tem | Cairenn: nothing in particular atm |
| 23:49.07 | Tem | Cairenn: the thread that has my ire atm though is the one that wants to force me to use Khaos config |
| 23:49.09 | Cairenn | just overall and in general |
| 23:49.13 | Cide | hahahaha Tem |
| 23:49.32 | Cide | I love the soup and crackers |
| 23:49.39 | Tem | oh lol |
| 23:49.43 | Cairenn | yeah I saw that one |
| 23:50.00 | Tem | I need to stop visiting those forums, it would really cut down on my stress... |
| 23:50.06 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:51.31 | krka | anyone remember the addon that changed actionbar page upon different events? |
| 23:53.34 | krka | ah, RangeSwitch |
| 23:58.16 | GenNMX | krka: Yeah, I've had recent experience with actionbar page changes trying to unhook the Action Bar from the Main Menu Bar. It's surprisingly simple. |
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| 23:59.20 | GenNMX | You need to change a global, and then call a function to make the GUI actually change the page. It's a little evil. |
