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01:57.46pagefaultDurotan is full
01:57.46pagefaultyay
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02:17.51pagefaultthis is rediculous
02:17.53pagefaulthmm
02:18.14pagefaultredculous queues, they need more than another server
02:18.16pagefaultlike a dozen more
02:48.15KolthMy server has insanely low queues.
02:48.19KolthWorst we get is like 100 ppl.
02:48.24KolthWhich doesn't even require a queue.
02:48.35KolthIt's "peak" and I'm at 141ms
02:48.45KolthAnd I live on the opposite coast of my server.
02:50.45TainSo does my server.  Except it's in a different game.
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03:26.15Guillotinehey guys :)
03:26.47Guillotinein less than a month, my server has gone from being a Low population server to being high population with a 30 min que >_<
03:27.28Tainheh heh seems to be the theme of the night. :)
03:27.44TainI gave up after trying to get into three different servers.
03:33.39Ktronno work/school tomorrow
03:38.46Guillotineahhh. apparently some group is trying to pull a DoS attack on the Blizz login servers >_<
03:40.20KolthWhere'd ya see that, Guillo?
03:42.58Guillotinehttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6494554&p=1&tmp=1#post6494554
03:43.06Guillotineits the general forums so I don't know if its correct...
03:43.08Guillotinebut it makes sence
03:44.29Tainhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=649
03:44.33Tainer
03:44.42TainMispaste
03:45.28Tainheh
03:45.38TainYeah you know I don't buy it.
03:46.14TainIt's New Years, most people have the day off tomorrow, people are getting over the holiday rush and relaxing.
03:46.20TainThey're all online.
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06:45.28pagefaultWSG!
06:50.32KolthWSG!
07:00.36RedcXeo
07:14.17SP|Sorrenwhat if two mods used the same saved variable?
07:14.24SP|Sorrenand happy belated new year!
07:14.39SP|Sorren*crickets*
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07:15.57Kalrothhej!
07:16.53Temwoot
07:16.55Temdomo down
07:17.05OsagasuOkay I lied
07:17.12KalrothTem: grats!
07:17.14Kaeltengratz tem
07:17.19Temour first time
07:17.33Kaeltenlol
07:17.34OsagasuStill not right
07:17.42KalrothTem: What server?
07:17.47TemGarona
07:18.23Osagasunot quite
07:18.28Osagasuanyone know the hex for the pink color mIRC uses?
07:19.02OsagasuI can't find it
07:19.47Osagasuaugh!  too bright!
07:20.22Osagasuperfect.
07:27.16Osagasu<PROTECTED>
07:28.19kremontewoohoo, finally got WoW running on linux ~_~
07:28.25kremontethat was way too much effort
07:29.38Kalrothis that OpenGL bug still there?
07:29.49kremonteit won't run in OpenGL :-(
07:29.52Kalroth:(
07:29.53kremonte(using cedega right now)
07:30.03pagefaultopengl bug is fixed in 1.9 apparently
07:30.05Kalrothah
07:30.10kremontei'm getting low fps and really long render times for everything, and still have the mouse bug
07:30.16pagefaultbut you can hotfix (hack) your cedega to display the target circle
07:30.18Kaeltengood night guys
07:30.18pagefaultif thats what it's about
07:30.27KalrothI hope they fix BWL in 1.9
07:30.38kremontewhat needs to be fixed in BWL still?
07:30.59pagefaultdrop rate for me
07:31.03kremontehaha
07:31.08kremontenemesis drop rate is great imho
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07:32.25pagefaultthe new artwork looks nice
07:32.27pagefaultnot lameass anymore
07:32.45kremontenew nemesis head doesn't 'fit' imo =(
07:32.50kremontewell, on gnome XD
07:32.50pagefaultthe pally stuff looks like a freaking metabot or something
07:33.05kremontepally looks AWESOME =O
07:33.13kremontewarrior looks so stupid
07:33.34pagefaultthe swords on the shoulders looks silly to me
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07:56.20Ktronbah
07:56.24KtronI like the warrior armor
07:56.41Ktronpurple isn't really my favorite color choice, but if I was a warrior, I'd want extra blades around
07:57.08kremontedude
07:57.10kremonteit's friggin tron
07:57.19kremontetron is NOT cool. extra blades are not cool!
07:58.14Ktrontron they didn't have blades
07:58.32Ktronbah
07:59.06Ktronthe only armor I think looks a little hokey after the armor update is maybe the hunter one... dragonstalker? I think that's the one, like red and purple and the shoulders look awkward
08:03.48Ktron|nightpurl, night
08:03.50purlG'night ktron|night, get out of here.
08:07.13pagefaulthttp://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/Burpcycle/ungoro.jpg
08:07.17pagefaultchuck norris stuff
08:07.29pagefaulthttp://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/Burpcycle/ungoro.jpg
08:07.31pagefaultoops
08:07.49pagefaultit's almost sleepytime
08:14.40Temhahahah
08:14.52Temwe took rags down to 74% before he wiped us
08:15.04Tem(we were all naked and it wasn't a serious pull)
08:17.14Kolthgross
08:17.58Temhehe
08:18.03Temit was just for us to see him
08:18.16Temfor most of us it was our first time seeing him spawn and stuff
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10:10.56CodayusGrrr.  Stupid tiger boss in ZG is kicking our asses.
10:12.20AnduinLotharnever made it that far
10:12.26AnduinLotharspider always owned us
10:14.11CodayusWe hit snake -> bat -> raptor -> tiger
10:14.36AnduinLotharah, i never hit the tiger b4
10:14.46AnduinLotharer, wait
10:14.50AnduinLotharwhich is he..
10:14.59AnduinLotharmight have done him once
10:17.44CodayusFirst stage is bit like corehounds - kill 3 mobs at once.
10:18.09AnduinLotharmeh, dont even remember, that would have been in summer
10:18.13Codayuscorehound packs - they rez each other
10:18.21Codayusthen the 2nd stage he turns into a giant tiger, and pwns us.
10:21.17AnduinLotharright, i've done corehounds more recently
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10:22.36Kalrothyeah, keep the mana down on the healer, bring 'em all down to low and then gather for AoE
10:29.09CodayusOur problem is that by the time we kill them all, the healers are close to OOM.
10:29.43CodayusThen he transforms, and kicks our asses.  Ah well, maybe we'll have better luck tomorrow.
10:35.33Kalrothwell it is the hardest encounter in ZG (imo)
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10:51.57Kalrothg'night Cair!
10:52.08Kalrothdamn ninja sleepers
10:52.45ElkanoGood (whatever) :)
10:55.01Cairenn|sleepheh
10:55.19Cairenn|sleepactually, given that it's 6am here, I'm not sure what it is ;)
10:55.29ElkanoLet's start this morning with two questions: Is there a way to empty a table so the gc hasn't to clean it up? And is there a way to abort events
10:56.18Elkano...? (eg I'm firing CHAT_MSG_WHISPER(_INFORM) which I don't want to be processed by any chat addon)
11:14.39krkafor k, v in t do t[k] = nil end
11:14.52krkaI think that helps anyway
11:25.19Elkanowell, atm im' doing t = {} to reset the table so the old data is handed over to the gc
11:26.00Elkanobut since it's a table with about 4k entries which themselves are tables again I'm having about 3mb of garbage :/
11:26.16krkawhy have tables in tables?
11:26.20krkaand can't you just leave those?
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11:40.29SP|Sorrenanyone around?
11:41.51id``me
11:41.52id``sup
11:42.58Elkanowell, I'm having a list of items that can be sorted. so I have a structure {["name"] = x, ["quality"] = x, ["level"] = x, ["price"] = x} for each item and those are organized in a table for the fauxscrollframe
11:43.20Elkanothis table is generated acording to some filters from a large list of ids
11:43.26SP|Sorreni was wondering if in lua local i,j = 1,1; works
11:47.12id``Elkano: I don't know if this is true but can lua tables be sorted by indice rather then name?
11:47.16id``if so why not use item id's
11:47.26id``(so it would be faster)
11:48.01id``SP|Sorren: #lua
11:48.11id``this is freenode ;)
11:49.27SP|Sorrenhuh
11:49.31SP|Sorrentheres a #lua?
11:49.33SP|Sorrentks ;P
11:50.58id``ofcource
11:51.14Elkanonope, it can't afaik :(
11:51.25id``you can return more then one thing in a function tho
11:51.35id``a,b = returnTwoThings()
11:51.37id``or
11:51.50id``assign multiple vars to 1 val
11:51.53id``a,b = 1
11:51.58Elkanowell, local i,j = unpack{1,1}; should work ;)
11:52.40id``local i,j = unpack(1,1)
11:52.52id``semicolons are obsolete in lua
11:53.28id``print 'foo' print 'bar'
11:53.29id``works
11:53.30id``:)
11:54.38krkaSP|Sorren, yes that works
11:55.53id``o ok
11:55.55id``cool then
11:55.57id``:<
11:58.08id``SP|Sorren: freenode is the mecca of open source
11:58.18id``people come here
11:58.22id``:)
11:59.21SP|Sorreno
12:00.14Elkanobtw: id, even if I could sort by key it wouldn't help me since I want to sort by all four values ^^
12:01.14ElkanoI could pack up the four value data structure into one string, but that would make it a lot mor cpu intensive I suppose
12:02.01SP|Sorreni can't stop using semicolons
12:02.04SP|Sorreni require them to live!
12:02.17id``they must die
12:02.19id``all of them
12:02.21krkai used to use them but I stopped
12:02.32id``blasphemous characters, the lot of them!
12:02.34krkaif it's unnecessary, it shouldn't be used, imo
12:02.57SP|Sorreni use them for readability!
12:03.00id``the church of lua demands semicolons to die
12:03.14id``SP|Sorren: use one statement on one line for readability
12:03.37SP|Sorreni find myself adding semicolons to other peoples code when i go through it, ill stop after a while and just go, "What the fuck am i doing?"
12:03.38SP|Sorren;p
12:03.46krkaif someone cant read my code because I dont have semicolons, they are retards
12:03.46id``heh
12:03.48id``i have that too
12:04.06id``when i need to look at code i id'ify it first
12:04.12id``sometimes that fixes the problem :<
12:04.17krkasame here
12:04.24krkaI fix indentation and remove semicolons
12:05.01id``gg=G %s/;$// %s/\ +//
12:05.22id``reindents, removes all semicolons at the end of lines and all spaces at the end of lines
12:05.37id``actually '\ ' shoudl be '\b' for whitespace
12:05.39id``hmm
12:05.42id``project meeting bbl
12:36.51Kalrothremove semicolons? you people are not sane
12:37.07Kalroththat'd make the poor language like [visual] basic :(
12:39.21krkalol :)
12:39.37krkayes, semicolons are what make languages good or not
12:41.40id``Kalroth: no, it would make it like ruby or python
12:41.41id``beat that
12:41.49id``:]
12:42.00Kalrothuhm no, it'd make it as ugly as basic
12:42.18id``i think lua is very pretty
12:42.28id``javascript even works without semicolons
12:42.31Kalrothusing end of line as a code seperator is a horrible, horrible thing ><
12:42.41id``not as code separator
12:42.52id``one statement per line is clean and readable
12:43.29Elkanolet's use perl.. one programm per line ;)
12:43.36id``my god, yes
12:43.38id``ugly shit
12:44.00id``writing more then one thing one one line all the time means its not a program but a quickie solution
12:44.13Kalrothhow about C# or C++ or Pascal or .. :)
12:44.28krkalua doesn't use end of lines as separators
12:44.57Kalrothkrka: so you could make an addon on one line without using semicolons?
12:45.01id``Kalroth: take php, you need semicolons, i still write one statement on one line
12:45.02krkayes
12:45.07Kalrothmmmk
12:45.23krkacould make a simple script that converts all addons to that format
12:45.24krka:)
12:45.29id``heh ;)
12:45.31Kalrothid``: it's good programming practice, makes it clear where the code stops
12:45.32krkainstant obfuscation!
12:45.51id``Kalroth: no, code stops at EOF or at the end of a code block
12:46.12Kalrothend of code block is semicolon :)
12:46.22id``end of a code block is 'end' in lua
12:46.28id``'}' in other languages
12:46.36Kalrothor end;!
12:46.46krkaor ;;;end;;;
12:46.48id``dude
12:46.53id``it ignores the ; completely
12:46.55Kalroth^^;;
12:47.08id``it is not _part_
12:47.08id``of the file
12:47.08id``it shouldnt be there
12:47.21krkanot completely actually
12:47.24id``o
12:47.33id``how so
12:47.33krkafunction;a;(;;);;return;;1;;end
12:47.34krkathis failed
12:47.41id``yes
12:47.48id``because its a character not whitespace
12:48.22krkawhoa... ;; is also invalid
12:48.26krkafunction a() return 1 end;;
12:48.29krkathat fails
12:48.32Kalrothsee
12:48.41KalrothLUA doesn't like ugly code either!
12:48.43id``ill go in #lua and ask now
12:48.49krkai just tried it, no need to ask
12:49.02krkaseems it's only allowed to have 0 or 1 ; after a statement
12:49.03Kalrothkrka: you might be out to trick him though!
12:49.11id``:P
12:49.29krkayeah I tend to do that a lot
12:52.37Kalrothick, I didn't know lua was that nasty ><
12:53.48Kalrotha = 1 b = 2 bb = a aa = bb + 2 c = a * bb + 2
12:53.56Kalrothvalid syntax :(
12:54.00krkayup, all perfectly legal
12:54.17Kalrothand extremely ugly
12:54.29krkaput it on different lines then :)
12:54.48Kalrothso waste 4-5 lines on some static assignments? :)
12:55.12krkawaste?
12:55.20krkado you have a short supply of lines?
12:55.27Kalrothon my screen, yes
12:55.41id``how, why
12:55.44id``allocate more
12:55.46id``:E
12:56.10krkaif you actually write code like that, you deserve to be shot though :P
12:56.16Kalrothwell
12:56.28Kalrotha = 1; b = 2; bb = a; aa = bb + 2; c = a * bb + 2;
12:56.29id``a=1 b=2 bb=a aa=bb aa=bb+2 c=a*bb+2
12:56.31id``there
12:56.33Kalrothis very readable to me
12:56.34id``makes more sense
12:56.43krkaor:
12:56.43id``mine is more readable
12:56.45id``:E
12:56.54krkaa = 1         b = 2            bb = a               aa = bb + 2           c = a * bb + 2
12:56.57id``lmao
12:57.00Kalrothlol
12:57.21krkalol out loud!
12:57.22id``anyway i mapped a key to re-do a whole document
12:57.27Kalrothlolol!
12:57.38id``2 regexes and 1 command
12:57.39Kalrothid``: you mean ugly-fy!
12:57.44id``:)
12:58.12id``ironically enough the map includes semicolons to mark the end of a command
12:58.15id``xD
12:58.23Kalroth:P
12:58.35id``but thats just because the language isnt as pretty as lua =(
12:58.47id``anyway back to work
12:58.52Kalrothlua and pretty in same sentence?!
12:59.05id``whats not pretty about lua?
12:59.06krkalua is like the prettiest language next to haskell
12:59.28Kalrothpeople don't use semicolon, that's not pretty!
12:59.37krkayou have to remember that semicolons is there out of necessity in c / java / et.c., not because it's readable
13:00.06Kalrothyes, because those languages doesn't accept white space as a command seperator
13:00.10id``a={foo=function(self,c,d) c,d end} e,d=a:foo(1,1) print e,d
13:00.14krkathink of it as Lua has such a simple syntax that it doesn't even need semicolons to be well defined!
13:00.14id``--^ how pretty is that!
13:00.50krkabecause those languages CAN'T accept white space as a command separator
13:01.06krkayou'd have ambiguous programs
13:01.06Kalrothnot using semicolons in a programming language is like not using dots or commas in an english essay
13:01.26id``no, becuas eprogramming isnt speaking
13:01.27krkanot really
13:01.34id``its inputting commands
13:01.44id``do it efficiently and with cleanliness
13:01.44krkamore like not using upper case letters in the beginning of sentences
13:02.05Kalrothmmm, nope, I'm pretty sure it's like not using commas :)
13:02.14krkapretty sure you're wrong
13:02.19krkacommas convey information
13:02.24krkasemicolons in lua do not
13:02.59KalrothI could write a sentence then I walked over the street where she told me not to hang the sign when I drove the car through the trafficlight it changed to green
13:03.22id``its inputting commands
13:03.23id``do it efficiently and with cleanliness
13:03.29krkadon't you see the difference though? in your example you lose information
13:03.39krkayou don't lose information in lua by omitting semicolons
13:04.05sarf|sleepYes, however, most people do not know how to automatically reformat documents to be prettified to their personal preference.
13:04.16sarf|sleepIf I had had such a program, I'd use it often ^^
13:04.21id``as i said, i mapped it in vim
13:04.31krkai don't have one either
13:04.31id``one key and its all good for me
13:04.39sarf|stuffYou mean Delete?
13:04.40id``(given the author puts one command on onse line)
13:04.41krkaI'm pretty sure there is a GNU program for nicefy code
13:04.47krkacan't remember what it's called though
13:04.48id``no <A-f>
13:04.51sarf|stuff^^
13:04.58sarf|stuffyeah, there is krka
13:04.58id``its called vim
13:05.00KalrothI don't mind people changing the source, I hate to read source like that though
13:05.01id``www.vim.org
13:05.02id``:p
13:05.34Kalrothick, nasty; http://www.local6.com/news/5710517/detail.html
13:05.49sarf|stuffprettify perhaps?
13:06.09sarf|stuffkewl
13:06.31KalrothI wanted an iPod for christmas and all I got was this sloppy piece of raw meat.
13:06.48id``haha
13:07.54krkahmm... a lua prettifyer would be pretty easy to write I guess
13:08.08Kalrothyes, add lots of semicolons! :p
13:08.30krkai wonder if I'd have to write a complete parser for it though
13:08.38krka(or use an existing one)
13:10.41Kalrothhttp://luaforge.net/projects/luaparse/
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13:13.15krkayay
13:13.39krkai wonder if I could rip out the parser from the lua compiler in any easy way though
13:14.34kremontewhat's talkin' about?
13:15.05id``how semicolons must die
13:15.08krkawhat's pretty in lua
13:15.15krkabtw, I read your problems before
13:15.19kremontesemicolons shall not die
13:15.19krkaI can fix the mouse issue
13:15.25krkaand possibly the slowness issue
13:15.26kremonteoh, it's already fixed
13:15.28krkadid you run it in fullscreen?
13:15.29kremonteoh?
13:15.31kremonteyes
13:15.41krkahmm.. that's all it took for me
13:15.46kremontereally enjoying my ubuntu system right now, ehehe
13:15.47krkathen I don't know :P
13:15.56kremontegot xmms all set up
13:16.09kremonteand finally realized why my sound wasn't working..alsa was using my motherboard sound :lol:
13:16.27kremonteif i get WoW working windowed i will be so happy
13:17.00kremontemy lack of access to a very usable WoW keeps me from wanting to play at all, bwahaha
13:40.40krkaweird that it runs slow for you
13:40.45krkawhat graphics drivers are you using?
13:41.02kremontenvidia glx
13:41.07krkanot nv?
13:41.10kremontenope
13:41.15krkaodd odd
13:41.16kremontenv stinks
13:41.41kremontegah, you have any idea why my gnome master sound won't control sound in XMMS? noone in #ubuntu is answering
13:41.49krkano idea
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14:19.09krkafor friendly spells, is there an easy way to figure out which rank is the highest possible to cast?
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14:19.20krkalike an easy correlation between target level and spell rank
14:19.33krkaor does it vary with spell type?
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15:31.25legorolg'afternoon
15:33.23id``lo
15:33.35kremonteg'dayu
15:34.10kremontewe need more activity :-(
15:34.16id``legorol: Could you help me visualise a roll of lego?
15:34.17id``yeah
15:34.26id``people need to stop working and start ircing
15:35.50TainI want coffee.
15:36.12kremonte~coffee Tain
15:36.14purlACTION pours some hot, steamy, strong, black coffee on kremonte 's lap
15:36.20kremonte?!
15:36.22kremonteyou asshole
15:36.30Tainhaha
15:36.43legorolwhen do US servers go down for maintenance?
15:36.56legorolshouldn't they be down at the moment?
15:37.18legorolis there any confirmation on whether patch is coming/not coming?
15:37.20TainNo, tomorrow normally.
15:37.23kremontetoday is monday o_O
15:37.31legoroloh righ
15:37.33legorolgood point
15:37.38legorolbah, time zones confuse me
15:38.22kremonteo_O
15:38.27kremonteit's like 3pm in uk
15:38.51legorolyeah... but i'm not in the UK right now :D
15:39.06kremontewhere are you? australia?
15:39.10legorolfor some reason i thought it's tuesday :D
15:39.21legoroltoo much partying on 1st, i bet
15:39.24legorollost track of time..
15:39.42legorolanyways, is 1.9 coming out? i'd been without internet for a while, so what are latest rumours ;-)
15:39.53kremontedunno, hope not
15:39.59kremontejust got WoW working under cedega
15:41.15id``nice
15:41.20TainI don't think we've gotte any real word at all about 1.9, just that it would be after New Years.
15:41.25kremontebarely though. better than nothing
15:41.41TainSo it could be tomorrow, I'm personally betting on next week though to give everyone a week to recover from holidays.
15:42.28id``it would be wise for ui.worldofwar.net to shut their servers down
15:42.30id``when the patch lands
15:43.48legorolwow.net usually goes into lowbw mode,doesn't it?
15:43.56id``ya
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16:03.08kremontewoohoo! WoW and CS running at the same time, with a smooooth 3fps
16:03.39MoonWolflol
16:04.16Legoroltry getting two copies of WoW running at the same time.. or even 3!
16:04.33Legorolgreat for testing stealth-changed API features between live and test ;-)
16:05.15kremonteno thanks =P
16:05.20kremontegah, now steam broke
16:05.28kremontethis is why linux makes me sad :-(
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16:05.54Legoroluse Windows!
16:10.26kremontewindows?
16:10.28kremonteyou did not suggest that
16:18.24Legorolyes i di
16:18.26Legorol*did
16:18.39MoonWolfwindows has it uses.
16:20.50MoonWolfyou need to go through snow for coffee? that should be against the law.
16:22.52TainI agree.
16:25.23TainThe driveway is clear enough (note: enough is a relative term here which means I can likely drive through it without getting stuck) but the buildup on the car itself is annoying
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16:50.31Temthe logitech g15 needs to die
16:50.55TainNo!
16:51.18TemPeople need to stop whining about it in the UI Forum
16:51.22TainThe rest of the owners can die.
16:51.54MoonWolflook, its  keyboard with 15 extra buttons, stop making a fuss about it.
16:51.56TainIt's passed from, "sick of reading it" to, "Oh god Saien is posting now."
16:51.59MoonWolfthe lcd is nothing special either.
16:52.25TainThe LCD is nice though.  Not htat you couldn't get an LCD before, but it's nice to have righ tthere.
16:53.12TainI use it for other things, displaying cpu/mem usage in game, up/down speed of my network (have to make sur ethose torrents don't go crazy)
16:53.40TainYou can use it for a lot.  Just not game-related. :)
16:54.06MoonWolftain, i use titanpanel performance plugin for that.
16:54.14MoonWolffor the game though.
16:54.14TainYou should be happy it's the LCD that's getting discussed and not the macro buttons.
16:54.38TainOk fine, can you get your local weather feed to your Titanpanel. :P
16:54.48MoonWolfno, why would i want too ?
16:54.58TainBecause *I* want to.
16:55.03TainAnd that's all that matters.
16:55.03MoonWolfits holland, 90% the time its raining anyway.
16:55.37MoonWolf*YOU REQUIRE MORE VESPENE GAS*
16:55.53TainYeah.  Speaking of required resources...
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17:19.58TainYay coffee
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17:21.04TainMornin Beladona
17:21.51Beladonahiya
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17:32.15Tain;)
17:32.20Temoh dead
17:32.24kremonteoh god
17:32.27kremonteANOTHER g15 thread?!
17:32.53TainI have excess agression. :/
17:33.16TemTain: I'm afraid you just started a fire
17:33.35kremonteyay
17:33.37kremontefire fire fire fire fire
17:33.43kremontegrrroooooooar fire fire fire
17:33.52TainNah.
17:33.59TainIt'll go the way of every other one.
17:35.35TainI just think I have a valid point.  Blizzard doesn't want to support something - Perfectly ok with me.  You shouldn't ask for that because I don't think you need it even though I don't benefit or lose one way or the other. - ehn not so valid
17:36.01Beladonamany of my relatives gave me bestBuy gift cards. They know me too well. Soon as I get back from vacation I am gonna go pick one up for free =P
17:36.08TainYay Bestbuy
17:36.17kremontebestbuy ftw
17:36.25kremontei get everything 25% off or more
17:36.38TainWell.  Yay Bestbuy just because I don't live where Fry's are anymore. :(
17:36.58kremontei can get a g15 for really cheap
17:37.03kremontejust don't see the use =/
17:37.12Beladonabecause we can?
17:37.17Beladonathats usually why I buy stuff
17:37.18kremontei mean, the last time i looked at my keyboard
17:37.22kremonteholy shit, it looks that bad?!
17:37.23Beladonathat I don't specifically need
17:37.25kremonte*looks back at screen*
17:37.27Tainhehe retail therapy
17:37.45kremontei manage to make keyboards like-old within 2 hours
17:37.58Beladonasame here
17:38.01TainI don't know that I'd even use the LCD for in-game stuff.  mmmm yeah I might.  But I do use it today for other things anyway and I love it.
17:38.35BeladonaI am still interested in making an irc plugin that pipes chat to the lcd
17:38.40TainSure it's not information you can't get any other way.  I just happen to like having it.
17:38.42kremontei only got $200 for christmas (among other things..cough)
17:38.48Beladonaonce I get one I am gonna take a crack at it
17:38.59kremontedoes it come with an API? (what language?)
17:38.59TainThere are already MSN plugins and the like, Beladona.  So it's not a stretch.
17:39.05TainMight even already be for all I know.
17:39.09kremontea g15 irc bot!!!
17:39.13kremonte:-O
17:39.22Beladonayeah probably Tain, I just haven't looked yety
17:39.23kremontewait, that doesn't make sense
17:39.25Beladonayet*
17:39.44Tainhaha kremonte it was funny even though I couldn't see why
17:40.46BeladonaI finally prefected everything on my linux laptop. Wow works, and I have windows running in vmplayer for those times when I need to do stuff that is windows only
17:41.00kremonteBeladona: cedega or wine?
17:41.04Beladonacedega
17:41.11kremonteCVScedega?
17:41.15Beladonaalthough wine had an update 2 days ago
17:41.39Beladonanah its the binary pkg
17:41.45kremonteah, good
17:41.48kremonteubuntu?=x
17:41.51Beladonaaye
17:42.00kremontewhat settings do you use? my fps is REALLY bad
17:42.04kremonted3d fullscreen 800x600
17:42.09Beladonause opengl
17:42.21kremonteit won't run :-(
17:42.21Beladonaand there are some tweaks to make it work right
17:42.32Beladonalemme grab them
17:42.55TainOooh open source .NET wrapper libs for the G15 LCD
17:42.57kremontei get "World of Warcraft cannot start up the 3d accelerator"
17:43.00kremonte.net die
17:43.28Beladonawhat vid card?
17:43.34kremontenvidia 6800
17:43.37kremontegeforce*
17:43.41Tainif I have to work in Windows (which I do) then I would so much rather have .NET than the previous alternatives.
17:43.50Beladonaand you have the nvidia-glx driver installed?
17:43.53kremonteyup
17:43.58Beladona7667
17:44.01kremonte7667?
17:44.04Beladonayeah
17:44.06kremontehuh
17:44.14Beladonathat is the one ubuntu installs
17:44.20Beladonafrom the repository
17:44.30kremontewhat about it ? =x
17:44.31Beladonayou have to tell it to install though
17:44.36kremonteand how do i check which version i have installed
17:44.37kremontei have it
17:44.43kremontenvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev
17:44.48Beladonago to terminal and type in nvidia-settings
17:44.53Beladonashould tell you what you have
17:45.29kremonteyup, 7667
17:45.33Beladonacool
17:45.45Beladonayou have cedega installed? I can tell you what I have setup in the profile settings
17:46.00kremonteyup
17:46.06Beladonago to the icon properties
17:46.19kremonteyup
17:46.24BeladonaI made a custom template for mine
17:46.32Beladonaif you edit it
17:46.39Beladonamine is runbning as win98
17:46.42Beladonarunning*
17:46.48Beladonacedega version is 5.0.3
17:46.53kremonteyup yup
17:46.56kremontemine was on winxp
17:47.00Beladonapthreads default, desktop no
17:47.23Beladonabrowser, working directory, and command line is blank
17:47.35BeladonaI have XVid Mode and XRandR checked
17:47.46BeladonaManaged, and Mozilla Control is checked
17:47.52kremontedxgrab?
17:47.57BeladonaFreetype and XRender checked
17:48.00Beladonano dxgrab
17:48.24Beladonascheudler default
17:48.42Beladonaon audio I am using OSS, but I don't think it matters
17:48.50Beladonanothing checked
17:48.52kremonteyar, i prefer alsa =P
17:49.06Beladonaok graphics....
17:49.11Beladonacid ram default
17:49.13kremontebtw, thanks alot
17:49.15Beladonaerr vid ram rather
17:49.19Beladonano prob
17:49.26BeladonaAGP Vertex default
17:49.34Beladonapixel shaders is checked with 1.3
17:49.45Beladonavertex shaders checked
17:49.51BeladonaNV_VAR checked
17:49.58BeladonaARB_VBO checked
17:50.09BeladonaClip Space checked
17:50.12Beladonanothing else
17:50.28BeladonaFixed Program, Fragment, and Non Power of Two are all auto
17:50.42Beladonathat should be it for those settings
17:50.59Beladonaok
17:51.00kremontecould you send me your config.wtf
17:51.00kremonte?
17:51.06Beladonanext part involves manual editing
17:51.09kremontecoz i fubar'ed mine
17:51.11Beladonayeah
17:51.25Beladonago to your cedega folder
17:51.47TainHey someone's got partial support for the G15 extra macro keys working under Linux. ;)
17:51.54Beladonaooh
17:51.56Beladona0.o
17:52.23kremontein cedega folder
17:52.25TainWell a driver to detect if those keys are pressed, and which key it was.  Just nothing else knows what to do with them.
17:52.33Beladonatrying to find which config I had to edit, one sec
17:53.43Beladonathere should be a file called config
17:53.51Beladonaedit it
17:53.55kremontethere's configuration_profiles
17:53.56kremontea dir
17:54.05Beladonaoh
17:54.08kremontethen cedega_5.0.3 (file)
17:54.12Beladonado you have a c folder
17:54.14kremontein ~/.cedega/
17:54.17Beladonalike a windows folder
17:54.24kremontec_drive? in .cedega/wow yes
17:54.33Beladonaoh ok go to .cedega/wow
17:54.35kremonteya, config here
17:54.47Beladonascroll to the very bottom
17:55.04Beladonayou should have a section called ;; App default settings
17:55.13Beladonawith a bunch of game exe settings
17:55.23kremonteAppDefaults\\WoW.exe ?
17:55.30Beladonayeah
17:55.37Beladonahere is what I have
17:55.42Beladona[AppDefaults\\WoW.exe\\opengl]
17:55.42Beladona"FixedGLExtensionBuffer" = "Y"
17:55.55Beladona[AppDefaults\\WoW.exe\\memory]
17:55.55Beladona"MemoryLayoutOverride" = "0x10000000"
17:56.06Beladona[AppDefaults\\WoW.exe\\Version]
17:56.06Beladona"Windows" = "win98"
17:56.15Beladona[AppDefaults\\WoW.exe\\d3dgl]
17:56.15Beladona"FixedProgram" = "No"
17:56.18Beladonathat should be it
17:56.28kremontehrm, no WoW here
17:56.34kremonteshould i copypaste that?
17:56.37Beladonaif those aren't there, add them
17:56.40Beladonayeah
17:56.45Beladonawant me to pastebin it?
17:56.49Beladonamight be easier
17:57.09kremontegot them =P
17:57.13Beladonak
17:57.20Beladonanow the config.wtf
17:57.24Beladonaand that should be it
17:57.36Beladonawill pastebin that
17:58.08Beladonabe warned
17:58.13Beladonathis has a lot of settings
17:58.20kremontemine does too! =P
17:58.24kremontebroken settings :')
17:58.24Beladonalike texture quality set to max
17:58.26Beladonaetc...
17:58.32kremontehm
17:58.33Beladonawhen you get in game
17:58.39Beladonaif you try to set a setting
17:58.45Beladonait locks up the game
17:58.48Beladonakinda sucks
17:58.48kremonte><
17:58.55Beladonagraphics settings
17:58.59Beladonayou can change anything else
17:59.12kremonteill set it to blank just using openGL
17:59.15Beladonawhen it tries to restart the graphics renderer, it kills it
17:59.40Beladonahttp://pastebin.com/487390
17:59.53Beladonachange the graphics rez
17:59.58Beladonamine is set rather big
18:00.06Beladonawidedscreen
18:00.15kremonteim going to try running it -windowed
18:00.31kremontewow, wierd screen res
18:00.36kremontewidescreen makes me jealous :'(
18:00.47Beladonawell my desktop is 1920x1200
18:00.52kremontemy 6800 sucks too much to do anything big
18:00.53Beladonaso I set it to the next ws rez down
18:00.55Beladonawindowed
18:01.54Beladonamine works without any more changes
18:02.27Beladonanext problem is getting patches to work
18:02.30Beladona=P
18:02.38ForgottenLordsHow do I hook <OnClick> functions coded into an XML file?  the same as normal functions?
18:02.39kremontefor another day, my friend
18:02.43Beladonafor now I am running them under windows, and copying the files
18:02.57kremontewill be good to try in 32 seconds when my DoD is done updating =P
18:03.09Beladonawe could probably rip the torrent though and use the linux bittorent
18:03.38kremontethe complications in linux make computing more fun io
18:03.39kremonteimo
18:03.47kremontewindows = boot, WoW, run circles in IF
18:04.05MoonWolflol
18:04.06BeladonaI do have one problem with linux, and it might just be where I am
18:04.14kremontewhat's that?
18:04.16BeladonaI can't browse and download at the same time
18:04.25Beladonadownlaods take full throttle
18:04.40Beladonabut the net connection I have here on vacation isn't exactly fast
18:04.47Beladonaso I need to test it at home
18:05.14Beladonai love ubuntu though
18:05.23kremonteyes!
18:05.27Beladonahave you tried out the dvd playback?
18:05.31kremontei love you Beladona
18:05.34kremontenope
18:05.41kremontebrb, running it fullscreen in another workspace
18:05.50Beladonamost dvd codecs in windows have artifacts, and don't scale perfectly
18:05.58Beladonathe ubuntu dvd codec is kickass
18:06.19Beladonaand you can't beat free
18:06.55Beladonaand there is a tutorial for installing firefox 1.5
18:06.58Beladonaif you want that
18:07.11Beladonato replace the default 1.07 firefox it has
18:09.00kremontegrr ><
18:09.11kremontestill getting wierdly choppy FPS and my WoW seems to have
18:09.12kremonteuh
18:09.15kremontedowngraded
18:09.30Beladonadowngraded?
18:09.32Beladonain quality?
18:09.38kremontei just updated to 1.8.4 last night
18:09.40kremontenow it's 1.2.3
18:09.43Beladonaugg
18:09.46Beladonaweird
18:09.55kremontebut i want to fix the fps foremost ><
18:10.03Beladonathat is weird
18:10.12Beladonatry enabling the transgaming hud
18:10.20Beladonait should show you memory and fps usage
18:11.37Beladonathey finally released a native doom3 linux installer
18:11.40Beladona=D
18:12.29TainThose crazy transgamers.
18:14.13Beladonahey kremonte
18:14.16Beladonatry something for me
18:14.25Beladonaopen a terminal and run this
18:14.30Beladonaglxgears -printfps
18:15.25BeladonaI get 10861 fps
18:17.58kremontei get...
18:18.05kremonte3452 fps
18:18.10Beladonahmm
18:18.10kremontegoooing down
18:18.15kremonte2875...2515
18:18.46MoonWolf6041.800 FPS
18:18.46kremonteWoW got choppy like before ><
18:18.55kremonteMoonWolf: video card?
18:19.01MoonWolfooh, 11936.400 FPS
18:19.04MoonWolf6600g
18:19.06MoonWolf6600gt
18:19.11kremontei should have gotten a gt
18:19.13Beladonatry playing in d3d again
18:19.15kremontemy 6800 blows nuts
18:19.24kremonteBeladona: just like it was in d3d. rechecking my settings
18:19.26Beladonago to your config.wtf and remove the opengl line at the top
18:19.34MoonWolftechnically, your 6800 should pwn my 6600gt, right ?
18:19.46Beladonashould
18:19.49Beladonasomething else is wrong
18:20.19kremontegrr shit
18:20.23kremontei lost the config file thats why
18:20.46BeladonaI hahve 6800 and mine stays consistently in the 10861 range
18:22.41kremonteyes! yes yesy yes yes
18:22.43kremontebeautiful
18:22.51kremontei re-edited the config since i cp'ed it wrong
18:22.54kremonteand it works wonderfully
18:22.59kremontein opengl
18:22.59Beladonawoot
18:23.03Beladonatold ya!
18:23.05Beladona=P
18:23.23kremonteMODERATELY choppy, but its the same fps i'd get in windows =P
18:23.27Beladonayeah
18:23.29kremontei just wonder wtf is wrong with my card...
18:23.42Beladonathat does sound weird
18:23.42kremonteany default way to show system specs in xchat? =P
18:23.50Beladonayou should be getting same performance I am
18:24.08Beladonanot sure, ia m using gaim
18:24.19Maldivia-kremonte- VERSION xchat 2.4.4 Linux 2.6.12-10-386 [i686/3.01GHz] <-- like that ?
18:24.32kremonteyar kinda heh
18:24.41kremonte1gb ddram nvidia geforce 6800
18:24.43kremonte:-/
18:24.59Beladonait a desktop?
18:25.02kremonteyup
18:25.09BeladonaPCIx?
18:25.11Beladonaor AGP
18:25.12kremonteagp 8x
18:25.27Beladonashouldn't really matter too much
18:25.30Beladonabut mine is PCIx
18:25.43Beladona1gb ram as well
18:25.46kremontewhat kind of card you think i could get with USD$200? =P
18:26.01Beladonayour system only supports AGP?
18:26.27kremonteno pcix =(
18:26.35Beladonayou probably have the bext thing you can get for that much on AGP
18:26.50kremontegrr why does my computer run so slow!
18:27.02Beladonahere
18:27.11Beladonafound a site with some tricks too getting it to run faster
18:27.13Beladonaunder ubuntu
18:27.18kremonteooobooooontooooo
18:27.23Beladonahttp://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/wiki/World_of_Warcraft
18:27.53kremontesaw that, dont see how that makes it go fastert :(
18:28.23Beladonanear the bottom there are some tips for nabling / disabling fastwrites and such
18:28.56Beladonanvidia has a newer driver out
18:28.59Beladonafor linux
18:29.02kremontebtw, any idea why gaim is automatically failing direct connect attempts?
18:29.04BeladonaI had trouble getting it to work though
18:32.22Beladonaoh kremonte, there is a utility out there that installs / tweaks a lot of setting in ubuntu for you, and installs a lot of the necessary default codecs and stuff
18:32.44kremonteyup?
18:33.01Beladonahttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563
18:33.07BeladonaI used it, and it is pretty handy
18:33.36BeladonaI didn't install everything though, there were a lot of junk I had no use for
18:33.44Beladonait lets you choose
18:46.46kremontewtf?
18:46.53Osagasuwhat?
18:46.54kremontew32codecs and libdvdcss2 are illegal in the US?
18:47.06Osagasuo.O
18:47.06kremontei have like 8 dvd players, screw that im installing them
18:47.30BeladonaI did
18:47.32Beladona=\
18:47.36Osagasucss for dvds? :?
18:47.54Beladonait is a decoder spec
18:47.57Osagasuoh
18:48.07Osagasuso its NOT Cascading Style Sheets?
18:48.10Beladonano
18:48.32kremontei dont get the joke with free beer
18:48.36kremonteam i just too young? :Q
18:48.52Beladonawhere?
18:48.55BeladonaI missed that part
18:49.02kremontelots of free things are like
18:49.05kremontefree (as in free beer)
18:49.13Beladonaoh
18:49.15Beladonalol
18:49.51Beladonait is a way of saying (too good to be true)
18:51.05TainNo no no
18:51.16TainIt's free (as in beer) or free (as in speech)
18:51.28TainThey're different kinds of free.
18:52.21TainWhen it comes to software someone can give you something for free (as in beer) but you're not necessarily free (as in speech) to use it however you want to after that.
18:53.01Beladonathat works
19:22.52digixhey Bela, remember the profile stuff i was working on?
19:23.05Beladonayeah
19:23.34digixwell, i got tired of Allah's xml, so i got the rpgo profiler and the luaParser from curse....
19:23.37kremonteLevel not Lvl!
19:23.54digixand it looks like the people that make the luaParser were a huge step ahead of me
19:24.06digixhttp://digix.us/wow/profile/digix
19:24.26digixthey have a whole xsl pack for download
19:24.34Beladonacool
19:24.41kremonteo.O
19:24.47kremontewhat is luaParser?
19:25.18kremonteoh wow, you can even see what you can make
19:25.34digixyup, i got links comin, hang on a sec
19:25.37kremontewow thats ridiculous
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19:25.54digixhttp://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=802
19:26.23digixtheres the parser..... it takes the savedvariables.lua from the rpgo profiler and makes an xml doc for ya
19:26.42Beladonavery nice
19:26.46BeladonaI might have to fire it up myself
19:26.48digixhttp://totm.closer-sun.de/index.php
19:27.04digixthats their forums, lots of good info in there as well as the xsl pack
19:27.57Beladonais their addon going to its own saved variable?
19:27.58digixi had to clean up a few things as they didnt have the english translation completely bug-free and then i changed the health/mana display
19:28.01Beladonaor the global
19:28.30Beladonanice work
19:28.32digixthe parser is just a program that converts the rpgo savedvariables.lua to xml
19:28.42digixdanka :)
19:28.42Beladonawhen I get back home I will have to set one up for myself
19:29.07Beladonayou know...
19:29.40Beladonawe could modify the addon to save to it's own savedvariable, and then create a php script to parse it into a db
19:29.47Beladonaand create a community based version
19:30.02Beladonamight have to build one and then see if it would be handy for wowi
19:30.12digixthat would be awesome
19:30.31Beladonacould be part of our profile
19:30.44Beladonago to a forum user's profile, and view their chars
19:30.47Beladona=P
19:30.50digixhave you looked at the rpgo savedvariables? its really clean
19:31.04digixhehe, that would be really cool
19:31.34Beladonanot yet
19:31.43Beladonabut adding it to my TODO
19:31.45Beladonahehe
19:31.52digixlol
19:33.37Beladonadoing it via php would remove the need for the luaParser
19:33.52Beladonayou could just upload the savedVariables and the script would grab the rest
19:34.17digixtrue, true
19:36.21digixwell, glad to see ive sparked some interest in ya :) but i need to run some errands, bbl
19:39.00Beladonahiya
19:39.18KolthMorning, Cairenn.
19:39.31Cairennhow goes?
19:39.41Beladonagoing home tomorrow
19:39.59MoonWolfMorning Cairenn
19:40.01kremontemorning Cairenn
19:40.38TainHi ya Cairenn
19:40.55TainHappy New Year
19:47.18Cairennthanks
19:47.37Beladonabrb reboort
19:47.41Beladonaerr reboot
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19:49.52KolthUm
19:49.55KolthMy server jsut died.
19:50.12KolthI saw ~20 people go offline, then me.
19:50.16KolthInstantly.
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20:05.27Cairennwb Bela
20:13.48Beladonahi
20:13.52BeladonaI get to reboot again
20:13.54Beladona=\
20:14.00Beladonabrb
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20:27.11pagefaultSUMMON PLZ
20:30.24Enddammit
20:30.33Endsome of my commit message are completely useless
20:30.47End- Stuffity stuff stuff?  Oh yeah, show that the limit bug didn't go away
20:30.47End<PROTECTED>
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20:31.05EndI have no idea what I'm talking about there. :P
21:04.18CodayusNo, really?
21:11.00CodayusHmmm, bad things to discover 10 minutes into a 5-man LBRS run - your only healer is a shadowpriest...
21:11.14OsagasuOw.
21:11.35CodayusOh well, mind control FTW...
21:25.28TainBeing healed is for the weak.
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21:30.26Codayus...the priest is outtanking the tank!  *sigh*
21:31.50CodayusOh well, thank heavens for beast mastery hunters; Blizzards gift to incompetent PUGs everywhere...
21:35.01pagefaultnerf!
21:37.01pagefaultI just wish more hunters had something other than a cat
21:37.05pagefaultit's just so unoriginal
21:37.16TainYeah well let me have a giraffe and you wouldn't have that problem.
21:37.27CodayusThe bat from ZG is godly.
21:37.30pagefaulthaha
21:37.58pagefaultit will be better in 1.9 at least, no more cats running 200% speed
21:38.02CodayusFor PvE anyhow - haven't tried it much in PvP, but the pursuit speed and frenzy should rock.
21:38.19CodayusDamn 1.9, eh?
21:38.30pagefaultwell the pathing or something was changed
21:38.35pagefaultall I know is I can actually escape from a cat now
21:38.50CodayusJust have to see...
21:39.11pagefaultBW damage got nerfed too
21:39.15pagefaultso that will help cloth guys out a lot
21:39.20CodayusWusses.
21:39.41pagefaultwhere is the honor of shooting a gun while your pet is on automode?
21:39.42pagefault:
21:39.45pagefaultL)
21:39.47pagefault:)
21:40.07pagefaulti'm sure it's a very good class
21:40.11pagefaultI just don't like them :)
21:40.45pagefaulttoo many of them on my server is the main problem
21:41.40TainI never notice how many there are of annything outside of whatever guild I'm in.
21:41.55pagefaulton my server it seems like every other alliance is a hunter or some sort
21:42.02TainThis concept of pick-up groups for instances is foreign to me.
21:42.32CodayusI was hanging out with a guild that simply *could* *not* get enough hunters for Onyxia for the longest time.
21:42.57CodayusOr mages, but that's a little more explainable.
21:43.03pagefaultthere is a major lack of druids on my server
21:44.06TainThat was funny when I first started, right at live start, a bunch of people in my guild started Shamans, which I did also.
21:44.08CodayusWe could often find a warlock though...just one.  oO
21:44.18TainGot to level 12 or so and said the hell with this, there's too many Shamans around here.
21:44.26CodayusAnd now there's a shortage?
21:44.44TainStarted a Mage instead.  Jump ahead to starting to do Molten Core, 1 Shaman, 6 Mages
21:45.06CodayusThere's a decent shortage of pallies on my server these days - I'd have *never* believed it when I started.
21:45.14TainYeah, really.
21:45.25TainThere was such a backlash against Paladins.
21:46.11CodayusActually, the sad thing is, right now the single class my guild is shortest of?  Rogues!  We're having to make priests swap to their rogue alts for raids!  If that's not Just Wrong(tm) I dunno what is.
21:46.31TainYeah I thought every server was complaining about too many Rogues everywhere.
21:47.02CodayusI'm pretty sure that's a fluke, and not server ride...but still.  We had two rogues on our last MC run for the first half.  oO
21:47.21CodayusThen a priest swapped to his rogue, which brought us up to three.  Yay.
21:47.48pagefaultrogue was the best class on the servers for a while
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21:51.40TainBest is just whatever gets public opinion for the week.
21:51.48pedropenguincan i please have some help? i accidentally erased my character. i know it sounds stupid but it lagged and i selected wrong char
21:51.50pagefaultright now it's nerf deathcoil
21:51.51pedropenguinwhat should  do?
21:52.24CodayusYou can get them undeleted by Bliz.
21:52.29pedropenguinhow would i do that?
21:52.35CodayusUm, now that I don't know.
21:52.40pagefaultcontact tech support
21:53.04CodayusBut I do know that an addicted guildmate of mine sold all his items, mailed the gold to friends, deleted his character, and then closed his account.
21:53.09pedropenguincan i file a gm ticket or something
21:53.52CodayusWhen the addiction didn't fade, he reopened the account, got his char undeleted, and is in the process of getting his items recovered.  <shrug>
21:54.07pedropenguinheh
21:54.10pedropenguinill try
22:00.56pagefaulthaha
22:01.03pagefaultI wonder if he will get everything back
22:02.59pagefaulthmm
22:03.02pagefaultI need more honor before tomorrow
22:03.08pagefaultonly 160k so far
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22:50.27_aLFCan someone help me about :SetHyperlink ? I would to know with the tooltip is updated
22:58.00TemI don't understand you
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23:10.35_aLFIf I defined a tooltip MyTooltip. When I call MyTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:3195:0:0:0"), the tooltip isn't updated immediately.
23:10.53_aLFI would like to know, when.
23:10.58_aLF(sorry for my english)
23:13.59Temthe tooltip is updated immediately
23:14.40Temnow, it won't show without an anchor
23:16.10_aLFok, I would like to use it to update GetItemInfo cache.
23:17.56Temhmm
23:18.00TemI assumed that it would
23:18.29Temso if an item isn't in the local cache, calling a SetHyperlink doesn't stick it there immediately>
23:18.33Tem?*
23:18.53_aLFno, I have to wait a little before GetItemInfo cache is updated
23:19.20Temwell that's bunk
23:19.26TemI was hoping to use that
23:19.39Temlike how long?
23:20.13_aLFI don't really know. May be 1 second
23:20.23Temtry less
23:20.29Tem<PROTECTED>
23:20.42_aLFbut I would like to avoid onUpdate function
23:21.10Temwell if you hide your frame after that first frame then it only runs for 1 frame anyway
23:21.18_aLFthat's why I try onShow on the tooltip, on make a hook on GuildAdsInternalTooltipTextLeft1.SetText
23:21.37_aLF?
23:21.51_aLFok
23:21.51TemSetHyperlink doesn't call SetText on the fontstring elements
23:22.06_aLFoki ..
23:22.09TemOnShow might work though
23:22.16Tem(unless you already tried that)
23:22.59_aLFI tried, but I'm sure that the tooltip is "initialize" correctly
23:23.04_aLFGuildAdsInternalTooltip:SetOwner(UIParent, "ANCHOR_TOPLEFT");
23:23.04_aLFGuildAdsInternalTooltip:SetHyperlink(itemRef);
23:23.04_aLFGuildAdsInternalTooltip:Show();
23:23.42_aLFis it correct ?
23:23.58_aLFor did I mess something ?
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23:25.00Temwell that looks fine
23:25.14Temoh Iriel, you need to edit your code you posted inthe 1.10 thread
23:25.24IrielOh? what did I miss?
23:25.25TemIriel: there are a few typos
23:25.41Temyou did object.GetFont instead of object:GetFont
23:26.42Cidewell, that's technically not wrong ;)
23:26.42IrielAh.. ok.. I was doing it blind (no WoW)
23:27.06TemCide: he was calling it like that.  It would generate an indexing "this" error
23:27.15Temand it looks like your local table to cache the fonts needs to be in a higher scope
23:27.19Irielyes indeed, that's wrong.
23:27.24Cideah
23:27.29IrielWhy? It's passed between functions
23:27.55Temoh nevermind
23:27.57TemI didn't notice that
23:28.04IrielOk.. so one typo so far. fixed. Any more?
23:28.12Temnah that's all I noticed
23:28.39IrielThanks, fixed.
23:29.26Temnp
23:30.20TemIriel: maybe you can help _aLF with this.  He is calling SetHyperlink on a tooltip, and GetItemInfo is still returning nil for that itemID for a little bit after that.
23:31.38IrielHm.. so he calls SetHyperlink on the tooltip with an item ID, it gives him a valid (scannable) tooltip, but then calling GetItemInfo immediately after still returns nil?
23:32.20Temright
23:32.36TemWaiting a bit seems to work
23:32.56IrielThat is odd, and counter to the way I thought it would work.
23:33.01Temme too
23:33.09IrielIs there some sample code (and has anyone else verified) ?
23:33.31_aLFnot based on timer
23:33.41TemI haven't verified it and I'm overdue for hoping in game so I'll try it out
23:34.06_aLFI made some try with onShow, but I doesn't seem to work
23:35.39IrielCan you put your code somewhere for us to download?
23:36.37Temwhat's some good items to use that won't likely be in my cache?
23:38.05_aLFTem> I try to make a AH for guild (GuildAds).
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23:39.54_aLFIriel> the whole addon is here : http://wow.tartiflette.free.fr/data/GuildAds.2.00.alpha.zip
23:41.05Tem<PROTECTED>
23:41.30TemTest("item:19401:0:0:0") returns nil but pops up a tooltip
23:42.35TemOh yeah and don't go blindly trying itemIDs up that high...
23:42.44Temit gets you disconnected quick fast and in a hurry
23:42.52_aLFalready done :p
23:43.14IrielOut of interest...
23:43.30Irielif you have 2 id's and do SetItemRef on both, can you getiteminfo on the FIRST one successfully after that?
23:43.39IrielI'm wondering if the code has a boundary problem with the most recent entry
23:44.05Temhmm that's an interesting idea
23:45.06_aLFI made try only with one item at a time
23:46.25_aLFthe code about tooltip is here : http://wow.tartiflette.free.fr/data/tooltip/
23:46.35_aLFGuildAdsStorage.lua : function GAS_GetItemInfo(itemRef)
23:46.51_aLFthe tooltip is declared in GuildAds.xml
23:49.39TemIriel: 2 doesn't make a difference
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23:53.37Ktronhey everyone
23:53.55Ktronthe wait to get on to WoW is nasty

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