| 00:01.14 | ForgottenLords | login servers kaput? |
| 00:01.57 | ForgottenLords | w00t, nvm |
| 00:07.10 | cladhaire | 15 minutes to login |
| 00:12.21 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.54 | Cladhaire | I dont know what you're talking about. |
| 00:12.55 | Cladhaire | = |
| 00:12.57 | Cladhaire | ) |
| 00:13.16 | Cairenn | just to make me cry, right? |
| 00:13.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.52 | Cladhaire | hahah so true |
| 00:15.05 | Cairenn | heh, pm |
| 00:15.11 | RedcXe | i have like so much runecloth |
| 00:15.12 | RedcXe | hm |
| 00:15.29 | RedcXe | whole bank + some bags worth |
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| 00:16.14 | Malivil | mmm |
| 00:16.36 | Malivil | Anyone know if that error Anduin was getting when he was opening the macro frame has a fix? |
| 00:20.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.42 | Malivil | k |
| 00:22.43 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.36 | Malivil | alright |
| 00:23.47 | Malivil | Anyone else here use AlphaMap? |
| 00:25.52 | AnduinLothar | i do |
| 00:25.59 | AnduinLothar | i have an ancient vers i think |
| 00:26.11 | Malivil | Does it work? |
| 00:26.15 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 00:26.20 | Malivil | ...1.3.1 doesn't work |
| 00:26.22 | AnduinLothar | oh, lol |
| 00:26.26 | AnduinLothar | maybe not |
| 00:26.28 | Malivil | get an error when i press the bound key |
| 00:26.33 | AnduinLothar | ya, just got that |
| 00:26.36 | Malivil | ha |
| 00:26.40 | Malivil | i looked at the line |
| 00:26.44 | AnduinLothar | 'this' in non-table object |
| 00:26.51 | AnduinLothar | . instad of : |
| 00:26.54 | Malivil | to see if i could figure it out |
| 00:27.01 | Malivil | its calling a function on that line |
| 00:27.25 | AnduinLothar | oh ya, blizz fuxored SetupWorldMapScale |
| 00:27.32 | Malivil | SetupWorldMapScale(); |
| 00:27.32 | Iriel | They changed it |
| 00:27.35 | Malivil | ok |
| 00:27.36 | Iriel | they didn't "Fuxor" it |
| 00:27.36 | Malivil | So.. |
| 00:27.40 | Malivil | How do we fix it? |
| 00:27.41 | AnduinLothar | lol, w/e |
| 00:27.46 | Iriel | it takes a parameter now, read my change notes |
| 00:27.58 | AnduinLothar | lol, iriel's getting impatient |
| 00:28.05 | AnduinLothar | that was me yesterday |
| 00:28.11 | Iriel | I'm just fed up of the 'blizzard broke X' sentiment |
| 00:28.18 | Iriel | especially from you lot |
| 00:28.21 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 00:28.34 | AnduinLothar | all in joke |
| 00:28.37 | Malivil | hmm... lets see what parameter to put in... |
| 00:28.41 | Iriel | They did fuxxor minimap scale changing, but that'll get fixed |
| 00:28.43 | Iriel | It's a frame, i believe |
| 00:29.14 | Iriel | SetupWorldMapScale(WorldMapFrame); |
| 00:29.17 | AnduinLothar | i'm not really angry, it's just funny. i keep running into the same common problems, and i'm like, oh yeah, duh |
| 00:29.47 | AnduinLothar | IsMounted was using IsVisible on a tooltip scan and it took me 5 min to figure it out, heh |
| 00:29.49 | Iriel | incidently, whoever it was who ran into the minimap scale thing (i.e. when you rescale a parent the minimap doesn't scale until you move).... |
| 00:29.49 | Malivil | lets see if that fixes it |
| 00:30.12 | Iriel | ... the workaround until 1.9.1 is to rescale the minimap and scale it back to what it was before |
| 00:30.25 | AnduinLothar | sounds like my arch text size hack |
| 00:30.46 | AnduinLothar | rescale the parent to get it to redefine the font |
| 00:35.12 | AnduinLothar | enchants are stored in the item id, right? are rogue poisons? |
| 00:36.11 | Tem | AnduinLothar: YES |
| 00:36.14 | Tem | yay caps |
| 00:36.27 | Beladona | anyone had any experience with the zip functions in php? |
| 00:37.00 | Tem | AnduinLothar: it's probably in either the second or 4th "slots" of the itemID |
| 00:37.15 | AnduinLothar | ok |
| 00:37.31 | Malivil | Authentication issues ftl |
| 00:37.32 | Malivil | ... |
| 00:38.11 | AnduinLothar | does the poisons id change as the time decreases? |
| 00:39.19 | Tem|Packing | AnduinLothar: I don't think so |
| 00:39.26 | Malivil | does any buff's id change as it's time decreases? |
| 00:39.30 | Malivil | *its |
| 00:39.50 | Tem|Packing | AnduinLothar: you get that info from GetWeaponEnchantInfo |
| 00:40.20 | AnduinLothar | which you pass the id |
| 00:40.50 | Tem|Packing | no |
| 00:40.56 | Tem|Packing | you pass it the weapon slot |
| 00:41.06 | Tem|Packing | it tells you about the weapons that you have on right now |
| 00:41.11 | Tem|Packing | and nothing else |
| 00:41.49 | AnduinLothar | cant get info on bag items? |
| 00:41.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.00 | Iriel | Tooltip? |
| 00:42.04 | AnduinLothar | slow |
| 00:42.19 | AnduinLothar | excessive and i'm trying to avoid it |
| 00:42.35 | AnduinLothar | would have to scan every line with regex |
| 00:42.39 | AnduinLothar | ew.. |
| 00:43.40 | Tem|Packing | unless you have to do it a whole lot that really isn't an issue |
| 00:43.55 | Tem|Packing | (a whole lot meanining OnUpdate or close) |
| 00:44.06 | Tem|Packing | (the slowness that is) |
| 00:44.24 | Tem|Packing | (yes it's a pain and nasty to implement but speed isn't an issue) |
| 00:44.41 | AnduinLothar | well, i spose i can get name from itemlink, then if name matches scan tooltip, but i was trying to avoid the tooltip |
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| 00:45.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.56 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Once you get the time you can just decrement it in your addon |
| 00:46.03 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : You dont have to keep re-scanning the tooltip |
| 00:46.07 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 00:46.11 | Kaelten | hello |
| 00:46.44 | Kolth | heyas! |
| 00:46.54 | Cladhaire | zomg hi Kael |
| 00:46.55 | Cladhaire | =) |
| 00:46.55 | AnduinLothar | nah, iriel. different purpose |
| 00:47.31 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:47.33 | AnduinLothar | i dont really care about the time, i just want to be able to differentiate between weapons with temp enchants in the bags so i can equip the right one |
| 00:49.43 | Kaelten | hey clad yak at me in the ace channel |
| 00:50.22 | AnduinLothar | does PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD occur on instance load still? |
| 00:50.34 | AnduinLothar | didn't trigger when i went into the tram.. |
| 00:51.29 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Well, you still only have to scan the tooltip once, it's not that onerous |
| 00:51.59 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Did PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD happen when you creossed the boundary? if so, PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD is supposed to happen also |
| 00:53.26 | AnduinLothar | well, the tooltip scan isn't really the end of the world, i just don't want to parse and account for Xmillion perm+temp enchant types |
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| 00:58.01 | Kolth | Yaya! CTRaid got fixed (their scaling) |
| 00:59.58 | Malivil | Anduin |
| 01:00.02 | Malivil | Err |
| 01:00.10 | Malivil | Iriel, rather |
| 01:00.17 | Malivil | Your fix for AlphaMap worked. |
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| 01:06.15 | Fanook | eyonix rocks "My suggestion to implement giant dark iron hamster balls for players to roll around in for purposes of outdoor combat was shot down by designers, unfortunately." |
| 01:06.28 | Guillotine | sometimes the General forums make me laugh |
| 01:06.32 | Guillotine | usually they make me cry |
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| 01:06.46 | ToastTheif | GAME TIME |
| 01:06.52 | ToastTheif | wtf |
| 01:06.56 | ToastTheif | why is Tem packing?! |
| 01:07.01 | ToastTheif | it's GAME TIME |
| 01:07.50 | AnduinLothar | whee, alpha map is mini |
| 01:08.22 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:08.32 | Guillotine | ToastTheif: he's running from the fuzz |
| 01:08.43 | ToastTheif | zomg what did he do |
| 01:09.02 | Malivil | Stuff. |
| 01:10.26 | Guillotine | omg. a perfect example of when the General forums make me cry and laugh at the same time: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6524868&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard |
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| 01:13.06 | Malivil | ...lol |
| 01:13.20 | Depherios | Tem is running from the fuzz for crashing everything |
| 01:13.26 | Malivil | i like how he made that not off-topic too |
| 01:14.17 | ToastTheif | wow |
| 01:14.19 | ToastTheif | that is funny |
| 01:14.25 | Tain | You know the tagline I see when logging in says, "Patch 1.9 Unleashed!" |
| 01:14.34 | Tain | I didn't know I was supposed to take that as a threat. |
| 01:14.54 | Depherios | ROFL |
| 01:15.20 | Malivil | it IS a threat |
| 01:15.28 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:17.42 | Tain | Actually it's just going to make me play City of Villains instead of fix Visor. |
| 01:18.01 | dvorakkey | what you think about unlimited macros |
| 01:19.04 | AnduinLothar | sounds like an addon |
| 01:19.14 | Malivil | that doesn't work |
| 01:19.36 | Malivil | SuperMacro had the ability to have unlimited macros... doesn't work any more |
| 01:19.37 | Iriel | I think i'll be cancelling my CoV account soon |
| 01:19.43 | Tain | I am a very egocentric person and since I haven't had a problem with macros I am rather uninterested in the whole issue. |
| 01:19.45 | Iriel | it's just... well... boring. |
| 01:19.48 | Malivil | I played CoH on the trial |
| 01:19.50 | Tain | Then what will you do when you can't login? |
| 01:19.50 | AnduinLothar | sure it would it would just be client side stored |
| 01:19.51 | Malivil | It got boring quick |
| 01:20.03 | Tain | Of course it's boring. Everything's boring. Thta's why you play with fun people. |
| 01:20.07 | AnduinLothar | wouldn't* |
| 01:20.08 | Malivil | That's true Anduin... |
| 01:20.15 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 01:20.19 | AnduinLothar | nm. client side |
| 01:20.26 | Malivil | Oh well |
| 01:20.27 | Malivil | we'll see |
| 01:20.33 | Depherios | are macro's actually stored serverside now? |
| 01:20.38 | Malivil | yup |
| 01:20.42 | Depherios | thank god |
| 01:20.43 | Tain | Oh almost forgot the game's on. |
| 01:20.49 | Tain | Wait why do you need super macros? |
| 01:20.54 | Iriel | No, they're not stored serverside yet |
| 01:20.58 | Tain | Assign a button to a luaslinger page or something |
| 01:21.05 | Iriel | The plan is to make them serverside at a later point |
| 01:21.09 | Depherios | BUAH |
| 01:21.24 | Malivil | oh.. |
| 01:21.27 | Malivil | i thought they were |
| 01:21.29 | dvorakkey | unlimited 7000 character macros, then |
| 01:21.29 | Malivil | my bad |
| 01:21.44 | Depherios | that 255 limit screams "put me online" -- if they aren't going to make them serverside... take away the stupid limit |
| 01:21.58 | Iriel | That's why the limits are there, because they want to be able to make them server side without people screaming THEN |
| 01:22.09 | Iriel | they're making us suffer the pain now, in preparation |
| 01:22.13 | Depherios | ugh |
| 01:22.17 | Iriel | Really, they can't win, so they may as well get it over with sooner |
| 01:22.32 | Iriel | And to be honest, you CAN write unlimited length macro addons now |
| 01:22.39 | Depherios | oh... I have some |
| 01:22.57 | Iriel | It's just unlimited macro quantity addons that are impossible to do |
| 01:23.03 | Depherios | well... no... 1 right now |
| 01:23.03 | Iriel | Even though someone sort of claimed they'd managed it |
| 01:23.16 | Iriel | i'm curious to know if they're deluding themselves, or cheating |
| 01:23.46 | Depherios | you can make unlimited "scripted actions" so long as you make new buttons/keybindings for themselves |
| 01:23.55 | Depherios | them* |
| 01:24.04 | dvorakkey | you can put these macros on regular or any action buttons |
| 01:26.24 | Iriel | I'm talking about more than 36 that can be assigned to action buttons |
| 01:26.38 | Iriel | WITHOUT hooking UseAction |
| 01:27.32 | dvorakkey | if you dont hook, then you have to change every button script |
| 01:28.07 | Iriel | Oh, absolutely it's a valid approach to the problem, and nothing's wrong with it per-se |
| 01:28.10 | AnduinLothar | oh wow, those ctra buffs are tiny... did they fix that? |
| 01:28.16 | dvorakkey | rather than doing this for DAB and flex separately, hooking would be easier |
| 01:28.23 | Iriel | but it's not "Unlimited macros" then in any sense slouken would care about it 8-) |
| 01:28.47 | ToastTheif | fumble baby fumble |
| 01:28.51 | ToastTheif | lets go USC |
| 01:30.45 | Kolth | AnduinLothar: They look fine with the newest version |
| 01:31.25 | AnduinLothar | 1.5?> |
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| 01:34.30 | clad|razrgore | did you know that the shot clock for basketball was invented in Syracuse, NY? |
| 01:38.04 | Kolth | AnduinLothar: b1.5 |
| 01:38.17 | Malivil | 1.5 is out |
| 01:38.37 | Kolth | I am talking about b1.5 though |
| 01:38.42 | Malivil | what's the difference |
| 01:39.11 | Kolth | I can't say what I said about 1.5. |
| 01:39.16 | Kolth | Because I've never used 1.5. |
| 01:39.29 | Malivil | okie dokie then |
| 01:40.06 | pagefault | is it just me or is WoW lagged out tonight |
| 01:40.12 | Kolth | lagged |
| 01:41.14 | Iriel | damn paladins, all flooding on to respec |
| 01:41.15 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 01:41.31 | pagefault | they have weird debuffs now when they use their shield |
| 01:42.31 | pagefault | been retrieving my character list for 3 minutes now |
| 01:42.36 | pagefault | I only have two characters on this server |
| 01:42.39 | pagefault | imagine if I had a lot more |
| 01:45.28 | AnduinLothar | ya, this bd raid has 3 pallies and no priest |
| 01:48.08 | pagefault | " We've been on the case and have been working on this for some time. Hang in there." |
| 01:48.16 | Malivil | yea |
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| 01:48.23 | Malivil | its crappy tonight |
| 01:48.37 | pagefault | I hope they do a account credit |
| 01:48.43 | bah | who actually likes the changes in 1.9? |
| 01:48.59 | pagefault | what gets me is this happens all the time |
| 01:49.07 | pagefault | what are they doing to fix it, or not fix it |
| 01:49.27 | Malivil | i like some of it |
| 01:49.28 | pagefault | maybe they have no idea |
| 01:49.35 | Malivil | the new instances, the linked aution houses |
| 01:49.39 | Malivil | *auction |
| 01:49.44 | pagefault | yeah that stuff is good |
| 01:49.47 | Malivil | improve ui abilities.... |
| 01:49.48 | Depherios | I Don't like the way they didn't link th GENERAL channels |
| 01:49.52 | pagefault | I spend all my time in the UC now |
| 01:49.55 | bah | lol |
| 01:49.58 | Osagasu | All back |
| 01:50.05 | Malivil | Deph, that would be too much spam |
| 01:50.10 | Depherios | they linked trade and LFG, and now nobody will talk in general |
| 01:50.11 | Malivil | =-P |
| 01:50.12 | Depherios | yeah |
| 01:50.14 | Depherios | but on my server |
| 01:50.17 | Depherios | general is DEAD |
| 01:50.21 | Malivil | *shurg* |
| 01:50.22 | pagefault | hehe yeah trade is the chat channel new |
| 01:50.22 | Depherios | and everybody is just talking in TRADE |
| 01:50.23 | pagefault | err now |
| 01:50.25 | Malivil | *shrug* |
| 01:50.30 | bah | same4 here |
| 01:50.32 | bah | same* |
| 01:50.39 | pagefault | oh well |
| 01:50.56 | pagefault | being able to go into the BG without pixel hunting is great |
| 01:51.00 | bah | the pally changes suck though |
| 01:54.32 | AnduinLothar | you suck |
| 01:56.02 | bah | why is that? |
| 01:57.16 | End | whoops, apparently I did forget to replace :GetScale with :GetEffectiveScale in one place |
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| 02:00.01 | Malivil | arg |
| 02:00.05 | Malivil | must do english essay |
| 02:00.06 | Malivil | latter all |
| 02:00.10 | Malivil | *later |
| 02:00.13 | Cairenn | later Malivil |
| 02:00.17 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Malivil (n=Alaerand@209-6-253-11.c3-0.frm-ubr2.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 02:01.22 | Tem | anyone having issues logging in? |
| 02:01.26 | Osagasu | Deph |
| 02:01.30 | Osagasu | DEEEEEEEEEEEEEPH |
| 02:01.48 | Depherios | ?? |
| 02:01.56 | Fanook | Tem: it took a lot longer than usual |
| 02:01.58 | AnduinLothar | CTRA isn't recognizing the greater pally blessings |
| 02:02.00 | Osagasu | What's your AC friend code? =D |
| 02:02.03 | Depherios | Tem: can't reply on forum "Loin Server Down" |
| 02:02.24 | Tem | Oh, I'm hanging at "Authenticating" while trying to log into the game |
| 02:02.30 | Tem | and I'm late for MC / Ony |
| 02:02.31 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.41 | Tem | woot! I got to Handshaking |
| 02:03.07 | Fanook | oh good, now my mail won't come up at all |
| 02:04.31 | pagefault | wow I finally got on |
| 02:04.46 | End | yeah, it's slow |
| 02:05.03 | Tem | Tip: You can choose not to display your helm and/or cloak with an option from the interface options menu |
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| 02:05.31 | Malivil | yay procrastination |
| 02:05.40 | Malivil | Can anyone do me a favor, if you have time |
| 02:05.45 | Malivil | http://www3.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1356 |
| 02:05.53 | Malivil | This is the Titan Panel [Guild] Plugin |
| 02:06.08 | Malivil | Which no longer works with 1.9 and i cna't figure out why. (it's not mine, i ust like it) |
| 02:06.12 | Malivil | *can't |
| 02:06.27 | Malivil | I think it has to do with how they changed the guild panel |
| 02:06.40 | Fanook | the guild functions got worked over, so yeah that's prolly what it is |
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| 02:08.40 | Depherios | UPS is so retarded |
| 02:08.53 | Malivil | now just gotta figure out how to fix it |
| 02:09.04 | AnduinLothar | why is titan still fuxoring my MF frames |
| 02:09.10 | Depherios | an item ships from southern oregon to northern oregon... and has to go to southern california first... |
| 02:09.20 | AnduinLothar | thought they fixed that |
| 02:09.24 | Malivil | ... |
| 02:09.27 | Depherios | and here, just now, an item ships from CA to OR, and is no in KY |
| 02:09.36 | Malivil | wth |
| 02:09.36 | Corrodias | any new news? |
| 02:09.38 | Depherios | is now* |
| 02:10.05 | Malivil | Depherios: That's stupid; |
| 02:10.12 | Corrodias | by the way, in what way does IsVisible no longer work quite as it did, that IsShown must be used? i never asked |
| 02:11.15 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.02 | AnduinLothar | for tooltip scans |
| 02:13.15 | Corrodias | the same item tooltip that can no longer be moved with SetPoint, i take it |
| 02:13.58 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.03 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.07 | AnduinLothar | nah, u never could move it b4 |
| 02:14.24 | AnduinLothar | but tooltip scanners usually make their own tooltip and hide it |
| 02:14.33 | Corrodias | well, i won't pretend to know how those work yet |
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| 02:18.22 | Iriel | IsVisible now tells you if it's actyally shown on screen, i.e. it's false if the parent is not visible. |
| 02:18.56 | Iriel | IsShown tells you if it would be shown on screen if its parent was shown |
| 02:19.21 | Malivil | Is anyone logged in to the forums? |
| 02:19.26 | Iriel | yes |
| 02:19.26 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.32 | Malivil | Can you make a post for me? |
| 02:19.40 | Malivil | "login server down" |
| 02:19.46 | Malivil | *sigh* |
| 02:20.06 | Iriel | Cairenn: You're missing a 'from' in your post, between the last 2 words |
| 02:20.21 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.41 | Malivil | I'll take that as a no (I understand why though) |
| 02:20.54 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.24 | Malivil | A request for people to look at and possibly fix Titan Panel [Guild] |
| 02:21.58 | Fanook | ugh, WoW's been very crashy lately |
| 02:22.11 | Malivil | yup |
| 02:23.25 | GenNMX | "Introducing the 'Snork', the spoon, fork, and knife combo! Unlike the Spork(tm), the Snork has a steak knife on the bottom of the spoon part, making it the true all-purpose utensil! The spoon is great for soup, the fork great for spagetti, and the knife can cut through a steel chain!" |
| 02:23.28 | Corrodias | had my first crash ever yesterday |
| 02:23.37 | Corrodias | well, first that wasn't caused by a bad addon or something |
| 02:23.44 | Fanook | ever since the 1.8.4 patch |
| 02:23.56 | Corrodias | oh. |
| 02:24.17 | Fanook | not sure what's causing it |
| 02:24.45 | Malivil | Can anyone make a post for me? I have it all typed up, i just need someone that is logged in to the forums |
| 02:24.56 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.16 | Malivil | couldn't i pm it to you on this? |
| 02:25.24 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.55 | Corrodias | oh, yeah.. authentication problems.. i get it now |
| 02:26.18 | Malivil | Yup... been happeneing for a while now |
| 02:27.03 | End | hmmmm |
| 02:27.22 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.32 | Malivil | thanks |
| 02:27.36 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.44 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.45 | Corrodias | i'm up to handshaking now! |
| 02:28.08 | Malivil | =-) |
| 02:28.23 | Malivil | Corrodias: It'll take a while, if oyu even get to the char screen |
| 02:28.24 | Malivil | *you |
| 02:28.31 | Corrodias | retrieving character list! *pelvic thrust* |
| 02:28.41 | Malivil | Not too bad |
| 02:28.44 | Corrodias | oh it usually takes ~30 seconds on your first connection, on ET |
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| 02:29.26 | Corrodias | well, as i said before, at least there's no queue. >_> |
| 02:29.31 | Malivil | True |
| 02:29.38 | Malivil | optimistic, nice |
| 02:30.24 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.45 | Guillotine | yup :) |
| 02:30.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.52 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.59 | Guillotine | I have one in there about just about everyone in here... |
| 02:31.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.13 | Guillotine | Tip: When in doubt, ask Iriel |
| 02:31.17 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.24 | Iriel | Heh.. What's Tem's entry? |
| 02:32.31 | Iriel | Or are there several? |
| 02:32.31 | AnduinLothar | Tip: Write it yourself. |
| 02:32.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.47 | Corrodias | and i'm IN |
| 02:32.56 | Malivil | Tip: Need it broken? Ask Tem./ |
| 02:33.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.06 | Malivil | lol |
| 02:33.19 | Guillotine | Tems... I think it was combined with Iriel. "Tip: If its broken and you need it fixed, ask Iriel. If its fixed and you need it broken, ask Tem" |
| 02:33.24 | Guillotine | something like that |
| 02:33.29 | Malivil | That works |
| 02:34.08 | Tem | What's this from? |
| 02:34.14 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.27 | AnduinLothar | Tip: RTFM. |
| 02:34.29 | Tem | this an Addon? |
| 02:34.36 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.43 | Corrodias | well, my characters loaded... now to get INTO the game |
| 02:34.43 | clad|razrgore | these are hilarious =) |
| 02:34.54 | clad|razrgore | Tip: Try typing \nice. It does something really interesting. And cool. |
| 02:35.04 | Fanook | i wish i could STAY in the game :( |
| 02:36.00 | Tem | Yay! |
| 02:36.08 | ToastTheif | Tem |
| 02:36.09 | Tem | I'm so glad there is a way to override those tips |
| 02:36.27 | ToastTheif | gj beating geogria |
| 02:37.02 | Malivil | "Want t know what addon does that? Its titan bar or a discord mod." |
| 02:37.08 | Malivil | Should be want TO know |
| 02:37.36 | ToastTheif | er wtf am I thinking |
| 02:37.38 | ToastTheif | not georgia |
| 02:37.39 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.58 | ToastTheif | miami >< |
| 02:38.05 | Malivil | CircuRings... a mix between StatRings and CircuFrames? |
| 02:38.09 | Malivil | =-P |
| 02:38.13 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:39.59 | Corrodias | blizzard suggested that the bael'dun diggers are invalid targets because of an issue with my UI. i'll have to get a friend to come to the dig site and find out. |
| 02:40.27 | ToastTheif | lolol |
| 02:40.29 | RasmusKL | anyone have a good idea how you fix broken mods in 1.9 that are related to using inventory items? |
| 02:40.36 | Iriel | Or disable all youraddons and try it again |
| 02:40.52 | Tem | 1914 Frostbolt Crit followed by a 1998 crit! |
| 02:40.55 | Tem | holy cow! |
| 02:40.59 | Tem | I love curse of elements! |
| 02:41.05 | ToastTheif | Tem |
| 02:41.13 | Tem | oh crap! |
| 02:41.15 | Corrodias | heh, yeah, i could do that. i don't like to. first i will go see if they're still bad to me alone |
| 02:41.20 | Tem | I'm missing the rose bowl aren't i? |
| 02:41.22 | ToastTheif | u watching the game Tem? |
| 02:41.25 | ToastTheif | YES U ARE |
| 02:41.33 | ToastTheif | gj beating Miami, too |
| 02:41.55 | ToastTheif | fucking bullshit TD Texass got |
| 02:41.56 | Tem | ty |
| 02:42.02 | ToastTheif | Vince Young was DOWN |
| 02:42.07 | Tem | that was a slaughter |
| 02:42.20 | RasmusKL | Iriel, you seem to be pretty much into those things, know of any item usage related things in 1.9? |
| 02:42.34 | ToastTheif | ya I watched the first 3 quaters |
| 02:42.41 | ToastTheif | was like ok gg, Im out lol |
| 02:43.15 | Corrodias | anything that used IsVisible in a tooltip scan of the inventory now needs to use IsShown |
| 02:43.41 | Tem | ToastTheif: the best part was watching the miami fans file out of the stadium |
| 02:43.49 | ToastTheif | oh yeah |
| 02:44.46 | ToastTheif | well |
| 02:44.46 | RasmusKL | Will try that Corr :-) Thanks. |
| 02:44.54 | ToastTheif | USC is just blowing it |
| 02:45.09 | ToastTheif | Bush's fumble screwed the momentum |
| 02:46.39 | Iriel | RasmusKL : I'm not aware of any item issues directly, no. |
| 02:47.07 | Tem | nice run |
| 02:47.10 | Corrodias | yeah, wardrobe works just fine if you switch the isvisible calls |
| 02:47.23 | Corrodias | activating an "on use" property.. i dunno about that |
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| 02:47.24 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.27 | ToastTheif | ya he had the amazing run |
| 02:47.37 | ToastTheif | then he throws it up? |
| 02:47.40 | ToastTheif | >< |
| 02:47.44 | Corrodias | no, i haven't updated wardrobe, i'm still just using the quick fix of isvisible->isshown |
| 02:48.28 | Kaelten | Ace RC3 is up in the forums if anyone is interested |
| 02:48.57 | RasmusKL | Corrodias: Thanks, it worked perfectly :-) |
| 02:49.44 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.24 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.34 | Kaelten | later iriel |
| 02:51.23 | ToastTheif | gah |
| 02:51.29 | ToastTheif | well |
| 02:51.33 | ToastTheif | this is not going well |
| 02:52.47 | Tem | take that trojans! |
| 02:53.43 | ToastTheif | ... |
| 02:54.13 | Tem | You know I hate usc. This isn't news to you |
| 02:54.26 | ToastTheif | seriously Tem, I will come find you |
| 02:54.32 | Tem | no you won't |
| 02:54.38 | ToastTheif | I know you're moving |
| 02:54.41 | Tem | I've been saying all season that USC was overrated |
| 02:55.08 | ToastTheif | don't under estimate my stalking capabilities |
| 02:56.18 | ToastTheif | ok seriously now |
| 02:56.28 | ToastTheif | he's throwing bad |
| 02:57.47 | Fanook | ok, can anyone explain this WoW crash error message? |
| 02:57.48 | Fanook | The instruction at "0x71427121" referenced memory at "0x71427121". |
| 02:57.48 | Fanook | The memory could not be "read". |
| 02:58.12 | Tem | I hate Matt Leinheart |
| 02:58.18 | Tem | he's so cocky |
| 03:01.12 | ToastTheif | well Fanook |
| 03:01.21 | ToastTheif | basically that means, you lose... |
| 03:01.53 | ToastTheif | and maybe get some more memory, but usually just you lose |
| 03:02.27 | Tem | Actually, when I see that, I consider it a win. |
| 03:02.41 | ToastTheif | well that's because you like to crash WoW |
| 03:03.13 | Tem | who doesn't? |
| 03:03.20 | ToastTheif | when I want to, sure |
| 03:03.27 | ToastTheif | but when Im in the middle of an instance... |
| 03:03.38 | ToastTheif | never happens anymore with my new comp tho |
| 03:05.02 | ToastTheif | wow leinheart |
| 03:05.04 | ToastTheif | gj |
| 03:07.04 | ToastTheif | feild goal, good choice |
| 03:08.00 | Guillotine | Malivil: tnx for reporting the typo. I'll fix it :) |
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| 03:11.24 | ToastTheif | well now |
| 03:11.53 | ToastTheif | I've got nothing to do |
| 03:11.53 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.00 | ToastTheif | can't log into WoW |
| 03:12.31 | Guillotine | Cairenn: I think its just "Slouken rules!" |
| 03:12.37 | Guillotine | couldn't think of anything better |
| 03:12.43 | Guillotine | but I'm open for suggestions :) |
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| 03:28.59 | Depherios | w00t O_o one of Iriel's townspeople moved in XD |
| 03:34.39 | Fanook | yay! the raven hill graveyard works! |
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| 03:43.43 | Guillotine | Fanook: it does? |
| 03:43.48 | Guillotine | HALLELUJAH! |
| 03:44.02 | Guillotine | now I'll actually be willing to kill there with my priest |
| 03:44.57 | Guillotine | so anyone have an idea for a better tip about Slouken? |
| 03:45.03 | End | so |
| 03:45.14 | End | I probably wrote my code wrong in the first place :X |
| 03:47.46 | ToastTheif | well |
| 03:47.51 | ToastTheif | 17-16 |
| 03:48.27 | ToastTheif | who's rooting for who here? |
| 03:49.21 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.31 | Tain | I'm rooting for the team. |
| 03:49.36 | ToastTheif | ... |
| 03:49.46 | ToastTheif | Im talking about THE game |
| 03:49.49 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.07 | Tain | Yeah I got the game on, I just don't care who wins. |
| 03:50.27 | Tain | Not a big fan of college football, it's all run and gun. No technique. |
| 03:50.39 | ToastTheif | no no Cair, this is the most anticipated game of the decade |
| 03:51.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.12 | ToastTheif | so far it is |
| 03:51.17 | ToastTheif | 4 more years to go |
| 03:53.17 | ToastTheif | eh Vince young |
| 03:53.35 | ToastTheif | gotta give it to him I guess |
| 03:53.40 | pagefault | what |
| 03:53.44 | pagefault | not a sens fan? |
| 03:53.49 | pagefault | they are probably going to win |
| 03:54.14 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.14 | pagefault | let me login already |
| 04:01.55 | AnduinLothar | dude, why did 12 people just sign on from my guild int he span of 1 min... not even a scheduled raid.. |
| 04:02.18 | pagefault | they love you |
| 04:03.00 | pagefault | or they all got on at the same time since it's lagged |
| 04:04.00 | Kaelten | I'm in a darnasus AH, freaky |
| 04:06.27 | AnduinLothar | less laggy? |
| 04:06.45 | Kaelten | much |
| 04:07.37 | AnduinLothar | yay, headed there now.. |
| 04:07.52 | AnduinLothar | need to turn in some runecloth anyway |
| 04:08.03 | AnduinLothar | spose i could pick up 1stAid |
| 04:08.08 | AnduinLothar | and be useful |
| 04:15.12 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:15.15 | Guillotine | Cairenn: You're a red wings fan? |
| 04:15.22 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.45 | Kaelten | 1900 is the patch number right? |
| 04:17.59 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.14 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:19.45 | pagefault | sed s/10800/10900 * |
| 04:20.34 | AnduinLothar | There's all of 3 people at darn AH |
| 04:20.56 | pagefault | that is good |
| 04:21.01 | pagefault | no lag! |
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| 04:23.17 | End | I hate this whole retrieving character list thing |
| 04:23.31 | End | and let me tell you, it hates me back |
| 04:26.03 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.04 | End | I'm still retrieving btw |
| 04:27.13 | End | woot |
| 04:27.16 | End | it finally got it |
| 04:29.57 | ToastTheif | wooo |
| 04:30.10 | ToastTheif | sens?, Page? |
| 04:30.35 | ToastTheif | oh well man, Trojans are doing what they do best |
| 04:30.39 | Depherios | is already DLing XD |
| 04:30.51 | ToastTheif | White down the middle, Bush up the sides |
| 04:32.19 | Kaelten | anyone know of a bank mod that sucessfully lets you buy a bank bag slot? |
| 04:32.38 | ToastTheif | I hate doing /obb standby |
| 04:32.48 | ToastTheif | and there is a bug with it too |
| 04:32.56 | ToastTheif | gives an error when doing standby lol |
| 04:33.10 | ToastTheif | so it's like grr, then GRRR |
| 04:35.34 | Kaelten | got that one fixed |
| 04:35.47 | Kaelten | I just want to try to get the other part fixed. |
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| 04:37.54 | Kaelten | hey slouken |
| 04:38.05 | slouken | Hey Kael |
| 04:38.32 | Osagasu | Hey Slouken |
| 04:38.42 | slouken | Hey Osagasu. :) |
| 04:38.46 | slouken | Sargasso |
| 04:38.53 | slouken | love that |
| 04:38.54 | Osagasu | He speaks to me! =O |
| 04:39.16 | AnduinLothar | who, where? |
| 04:39.21 | Kaelten | Anyone have a clue as to why PurchaseSlot() won't work for me? |
| 04:39.32 | Guillotine | it doesn't like you? |
| 04:39.35 | ToastTheif | Slouken |
| 04:39.39 | Kaelten | I'm beginning to believe it |
| 04:39.43 | ToastTheif | do you watch football? |
| 04:39.49 | ToastTheif | because you should be watching the Rose Bowl... |
| 04:40.03 | slouken | Sorry, I'm watching a screaming toddler |
| 04:40.07 | slouken | More drama, more pain |
| 04:40.13 | Guillotine | haha |
| 04:40.15 | ToastTheif | eh, this game is amazing |
| 04:40.19 | slouken | :) |
| 04:40.27 | ToastTheif | you're in Cali, right? |
| 04:40.27 | slouken | Yeah |
| 04:40.27 | Osagasu | GO USC! |
| 04:40.28 | ToastTheif | you should be rooting your team on! |
| 04:40.35 | slouken | Heh |
| 04:40.39 | ToastTheif | 31-23 USC atm |
| 04:40.45 | slouken | Cool |
| 04:41.05 | Tain | Go local sports team! |
| 04:41.08 | ToastTheif | lol |
| 04:41.14 | Depherios | Go local sports team and or college! |
| 04:41.22 | ToastTheif | college ;) |
| 04:41.30 | Guillotine | slouken, I've started playing (and become addicted to) Maelstrome 3.0. I just noticed that in the DL link, the url includes "~slouken". Would that by any chance be you? |
| 04:42.32 | slouken | http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/wow/wow-graffiti-spotted-in-lax-bathroom-146333.php |
| 04:42.33 | slouken | lol |
| 04:42.44 | Beladona | wdn is updated |
| 04:42.48 | Beladona | for whoever needed it |
| 04:42.52 | Osagasu | Wow. LAX got owned |
| 04:42.55 | slouken | Yep |
| 04:43.26 | Osagasu | Of course, Slouken probably wrote it. :P |
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| 04:43.59 | slouken | Naw, I just re-wrote it. :) |
| 04:44.32 | Osagasu | Guillotine... X3 is better. :P |
| 04:44.52 | slouken | lol |
| 04:44.59 | Guillotine | ahhh. so you're the one that 'ported' it? |
| 04:45.02 | slouken | Have you tried ... NETWORKED Maelstrom??? |
| 04:45.06 | slouken | Yes. |
| 04:45.07 | Guillotine | no... |
| 04:45.11 | Guillotine | where can I dl it :0 |
| 04:45.16 | slouken | You already have. |
| 04:45.45 | Guillotine | theres a networked option? |
| 04:45.56 | slouken | Yeah, just no UI |
| 04:46.00 | Tain | Guillotine is a stalker! |
| 04:46.01 | slouken | sec, let me see if I can figure it out |
| 04:46.13 | Guillotine | Tain: lol |
| 04:46.50 | Tain | Sorry got distracted by a Girls Gone Wild commercial |
| 04:46.58 | slouken | lol |
| 04:47.12 | Osagasu | TT, my TV is in the living room, I'm in the bedroom |
| 04:47.14 | slouken | Guillotine, I don't think it'd work past my firewall, otherwise I'd play with you. :) |
| 04:47.15 | Guillotine | I was actually pretty sure it wasn't slouken. I couldn't play WoW (UI was all messed up) so I went looking for some other games... and found that |
| 04:47.17 | ToastTheif | ya know, I saw a GUYS Gone Wild commericial... |
| 04:47.43 | Tain | ~emulate Saien |
| 04:47.44 | purl | Slash commands are ameturish. |
| 04:47.57 | ToastTheif | it was on Comedy Central, and Im pretty sure it wasen't a joke |
| 04:47.58 | Guillotine | slouken: oh well. I have a firewall too, so it probably won't work past mine either |
| 04:48.05 | ToastTheif | USC FTW, TD |
| 04:48.23 | Osagasu | ANOTHER TD? |
| 04:48.26 | slouken | Ah well. If you're on a lan, you can play networked. :) |
| 04:48.29 | ToastTheif | Yup yup |
| 04:48.32 | slouken | It's fun - up to three players |
| 04:48.36 | ToastTheif | Jarret this time |
| 04:49.12 | slouken | Okay, off to watch a show... |
| 04:50.10 | Guillotine | I fell so dirty... I've been farming Tyr's Hand for the past couple hours |
| 04:50.13 | Guillotine | feel* |
| 04:50.49 | ToastTheif | watch some college football |
| 04:50.56 | ToastTheif | White and Bush will make you feel bettter |
| 04:51.02 | ToastTheif | -t |
| 04:51.09 | Tain | Hey it's a perfectly natural thing to spend time alone with the hand, it's ok. |
| 04:51.54 | ToastTheif | well, unless it's somone else's... like Tyr's |
| 04:52.11 | Guillotine | :/ |
| 04:52.21 | Tain | Has he complained? |
| 04:52.36 | Guillotine | sometimes I wonder if you guys are crazy |
| 04:52.40 | Guillotine | then I remember I know you are |
| 04:52.51 | Tain | Crazy.. |
| 04:52.53 | Tain | Like a fox! |
| 04:52.53 | ToastTheif | I was going to say, I think you've lost YOUR mind |
| 04:52.58 | ToastTheif | thinking we aren't crazy |
| 04:53.30 | dvorakkey | slouken, any chance we get new API functions IsSpellInRange, IsItemInRange, IsUsableSpell, IsUsableItem, CursorHasMacro |
| 04:53.52 | ToastTheif | how bout whereIsEasyButton |
| 04:54.12 | ToastTheif | seriously, can't find mine |
| 04:54.17 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.19 | ToastTheif | I think office max stole it |
| 04:54.38 | Cairenn | requests for functions are to be posted in the correct place ... on the forums |
| 04:54.51 | Cairenn | this channel is somewhere for folks to chill |
| 04:55.50 | ToastTheif | chillin' like a villian watching USC next to me is my dad, I can't wait for more points and a PAT to add |
| 04:56.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.46 | ToastTheif | I think there was a "Beware of the Toast Theif" some where in there too |
| 04:56.55 | Cairenn | that's a given |
| 04:56.58 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:56.59 | ToastTheif | seeing as how Theif's are so mysterious and all |
| 04:57.15 | ToastTheif | no one really knows what they are |
| 04:58.01 | ToastTheif | I checked urban dictionary, said something about a pershun tha dun spel gud |
| 04:58.37 | ToastTheif | sounds like a foriegn language to me, some ancient one at that |
| 04:58.52 | ToastTheif | might be a crazy voodoo spellcaster or something |
| 04:59.28 | Osagasu | Texas Touchdown? |
| 04:59.31 | ToastTheif | ya |
| 04:59.41 | ToastTheif | Vince Young is amazing, have to give it to him |
| 04:59.49 | ToastTheif | keeping this Texas team alive, by him self |
| 05:00.26 | ToastTheif | big, mobile, can throw |
| 05:00.57 | ToastTheif | hard to stop |
| 05:01.29 | ToastTheif | not sure what else to say, except maybe ask why I talk to my self so much in this channel |
| 05:01.31 | Osagasu | It will add 10 new zones, 25 new monsters, and 'troves' of new items. <--the New EQ2 Expansion sounds kind of weak. |
| 05:01.43 | Osagasu | only 10 areas? ONLY 25 NEW MONSTERS? |
| 05:02.02 | ToastTheif | 25, that's, uh...impressive? |
| 05:02.13 | Guillotine | wait-- didn't the patch notes say the mount sounds were fixed? |
| 05:02.32 | Guillotine | stupid peer |
| 05:02.41 | ToastTheif | peer pressure |
| 05:03.20 | ToastTheif | I want Blizz to add more low level content |
| 05:03.26 | ToastTheif | fo sho |
| 05:03.38 | Depherios | well more non-raid content |
| 05:03.50 | Depherios | if I was a people person, I wouldn't be playing WoW |
| 05:04.20 | ToastTheif | I like social environments |
| 05:04.28 | ToastTheif | I consider my self a people person |
| 05:04.31 | ToastTheif | I play WoW =P |
| 05:05.11 | ToastTheif | I would have to say tho, I don't like the raid content, I don't have a guild |
| 05:05.20 | ToastTheif | I perfer the 5-15 instances |
| 05:07.05 | ToastTheif | whoa |
| 05:07.08 | ToastTheif | close game.. |
| 05:07.11 | ToastTheif | I gotta go watch |
| 05:07.12 | ToastTheif | afk |
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| 05:08.06 | Tem | oh geez |
| 05:08.13 | Tem | this is going to be a nailbiter |
| 05:10.37 | Tem | BAM |
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| 05:18.31 | Tem | WIN! |
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| 05:21.52 | Kaelten | OneBag 1.4.2 is up |
| 05:24.59 | Tem | Eat that Leinheart |
| 05:25.16 | ToastTheif | eh |
| 05:25.20 | ToastTheif | Vince Young eh? |
| 05:25.27 | Tem | later guys |
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| 05:25.30 | ToastTheif | what can ya say about that guy |
| 05:25.33 | Tem | LOL Iriel |
| 05:25.37 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.40 | Tem | I guessed right then |
| 05:26.20 | Tem | coincidence? |
| 05:26.32 | Iriel | oh, you were talking about football for a while before I left too. |
| 05:26.46 | Iriel | And yes, coincidence.. I drove home, had dinner, tormented the cats, etc |
| 05:27.02 | Tem | oh |
| 05:27.11 | Tem | lol they are interviewing all the people who lost |
| 05:27.13 | Tem | that sucks |
| 05:27.18 | Tem | anyway, later people |
| 05:27.26 | Tem | Holy cow! |
| 05:27.33 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.33 | Tem | Matt Leinheart is a jackass |
| 05:27.48 | Tem | "We're the better football team; they just made the plays" |
| 05:27.54 | Tem | seriously dude, you lost |
| 05:27.57 | Tem | give up |
| 05:28.59 | Iriel | I see the forum has calmed down, is that because folks can't log in? |
| 05:29.06 | Depherios | pretty much |
| 05:29.08 | Depherios | OMG RED |
| 05:29.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.22 | Depherios | okay... whew |
| 05:33.52 | Guillotine | hmm... there seems to be a problem with discord frame modifier now |
| 05:33.58 | Guillotine | though I may just be using it incorrectly |
| 05:34.17 | Guillotine | but it seems to always move everything slightly towards the center of the screen |
| 05:34.53 | Iriel | Hey Deph, Aurora misses you. 8-) |
| 05:35.11 | Depherios | lol |
| 05:35.13 | Depherios | yeah |
| 05:35.21 | Depherios | I got your fem penguin, you got mine XD |
| 05:35.50 | Iriel | did you pick up any constellations, I dont notice any missing, but i'm not sure how that works |
| 05:36.19 | Depherios | ditto... I still have the same weird S shape and my zigzag field |
| 05:39.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.54 | futrtrubl | Guillotine, sounds like more of the scale change |
| 05:45.37 | Guillotine | just saying doesn't look like DFM is completely fixed... |
| 05:46.20 | Depherios | it's not fixed at all? |
| 05:46.43 | Depherios | or did he actually update it? O_o |
| 05:47.15 | Depherios | DART isn't fixed all the way yet either |
| 05:47.18 | Depherios | but they work, I'm happy |
| 05:47.35 | Guillotine | doesn't work for me... |
| 05:47.45 | Guillotine | at least my old settings are all messed up |
| 05:48.42 | Depherios | well... haven't DLed the new one I see he put on WoW interface |
| 05:48.49 | Depherios | but yeah, your old settings WILL be messed up |
| 05:48.54 | Depherios | since scaling works differently now |
| 05:50.16 | futrtrubl | I'm just suprised BEB works properly. Granted it doesn't have scale options, but it still anchores to frames that might be scaled |
| 05:50.19 | Guillotine | I know. the new DART seems to work now. the new DFM, however, doesn't |
| 05:51.38 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.12 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.03 | Guillotine | I am doing something productive :) I'm trying to fix it myself |
| 05:56.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.11 | Guillotine | figure out whats wrong |
| 05:56.19 | Guillotine | I'm sure loz will hear about it soon enough |
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| 05:56.44 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.21 | Guillotine | thats the plan :) |
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| 06:07.42 | Iriel | Oh neat, a new popup when attempting to enter a server with a queue |
| 06:08.05 | Guillotine | yup |
| 06:08.11 | Iriel | WEll, I guess a potential queue |
| 06:08.16 | Iriel | Just 'Full' |
| 06:08.18 | Guillotine | right |
| 06:08.46 | Guillotine | ok. DUF isn't working either. when you drag something, it works fine, but when you let go, it wacks out |
| 06:10.40 | Guillotine | Cairenn: Was it on purpose that the "Sort Comments By" preference was resest? |
| 06:11.03 | Guillotine | another thing to lower the load on the server? |
| 06:11.29 | Depherios | Dont tell us Guillotine... tell Loz XD |
| 06:11.40 | Guillotine | I am |
| 06:11.50 | Guillotine | just giving you updates on all my thoughts |
| 06:11.55 | Depherios | ahh |
| 06:12.07 | Guillotine | why don't whales have wings? what would the world be like if they did?... |
| 06:12.24 | Depherios | ... alt cast is like... the simplest addon ever |
| 06:12.25 | Tain | We'd have much stronger umbrellas. |
| 06:12.35 | Depherios | lol @ Tain |
| 06:17.03 | Guillotine | ah. well. guess I'll figure this all out tommorow |
| 06:17.34 | Guillotine | goodnight. sleep tight. don't let the scaling bug bite :/ |
| 06:17.34 | AnduinLothar | those would have to be very big wings |
| 06:17.47 | Guillotine | ok, not a bug, but its causing lots of problems |
| 06:17.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.27 | Guillotine | cairenn ^^^ "Cairenn: Was it on purpose that the "Sort Comments By" preference was resest?" |
| 06:18.46 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.00 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.05 | Guillotine | ah. ok |
| 06:19.11 | Guillotine | ttyl :) |
| 06:19.15 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.32 | Iriel | Hey AnduinLothar - http://wow.pastebin.com/491363 |
| 06:19.50 | Iriel | Something I thought up a while back for you to use in your hook stuff 8-) |
| 06:21.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.03 | AnduinLothar | raiding atm, look at it in a bit |
| 06:22.13 | Iriel | just storing and returning 8-) |
| 06:25.30 | Iriel | Actually, I have a better idea for it. 8-) |
| 06:25.35 | Iriel | Oh, nevermind. |
| 06:26.42 | Iriel | That code can already do what I was thinking |
| 06:28.37 | Iriel | Alright, time for bed.. early meeting tomorrow |
| 06:28.40 | Iriel | Have fun! |
| 06:28.44 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.56 | Iriel | Likewise, no nightmares about addon updates! |
| 06:29.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.30 | Kaelten | g'ngiht everyone |
| 06:33.40 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.12 | geometrix | hmmm I think this is probably a REALY bad way to do this ... but ... Its my first try so I'll do it this way for now |
| 06:50.27 | geometrix | ok, before i get into this to far, anyone know of any addons that count the number of tradeskill items in your bag and display them... I've looked at SilverFarmer ... but I want to see all collectable items .. |
| 06:50.41 | geometrix | though I could just modify SilverFarmer to show more than 4 items ... |
| 06:51.01 | geometrix | just dont want to have to tell it which items to lookfor ... EVERY time |
| 06:52.27 | geometrix | hmmm AdvanceBagsPlus? .. does that also Autosort bags? |
| 06:52.33 | Depherios | kinda |
| 06:52.40 | Depherios | it basically makes your bags a database XD |
| 06:52.47 | Depherios | it doesn't sort your bags at all |
| 06:52.54 | Depherios | it just displays them sorted |
| 06:53.03 | Depherios | so you can have one bag with all your equipment in it |
| 06:53.17 | Depherios | ... but another bag with all your gray items in it, that also has some of the same equipment |
| 06:53.23 | geometrix | hmmm |
| 06:53.30 | geometrix | sounds like something I should look at... |
| 06:53.33 | geometrix | my bags are a MESS |
| 06:53.46 | Depherios | so things I can use to cook, are in the Cooking bag... but if they can also be used for Alchemy, they're also over there XD |
| 06:57.09 | SP|Sorren | what's the toc # for this patch? ;x |
| 06:57.11 | AnduinLothar | bags, who uses bags anymore |
| 06:57.20 | geometrix | 10900 |
| 06:57.31 | SP|Sorren | <3 thx |
| 06:57.41 | SP|Sorren | ahh, but its scrolled so far up 8) |
| 06:58.34 | Depherios | it's not in your title bar? -- shame on your IRC proggy |
| 06:58.47 | AnduinLothar | wait a sec... that should be in quotes and say -AndunLothar |
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| 06:59.00 | AnduinLothar | except spelling my own name right |
| 06:59.00 | Depherios | Bags, who uses bags anymore? XD |
| 06:59.03 | One|Adiar | Hi all |
| 06:59.11 | Depherios | What you using Anduin? |
| 06:59.30 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.39 | geometrix | ok, theres an Item_Push event... but no Pop? |
| 06:59.47 | Depherios | ...oi |
| 06:59.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.00 | Depherios | Hiooo |
| 07:00.28 | One|Adiar | Any people good with DUF/DAB here? I'm having some big problems :( |
| 07:00.39 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.42 | One|Adiar | Yeah |
| 07:00.43 | AnduinLothar | Wardrobe + ItemizedDeductions + TurnIn = very rarely looking in bags |
| 07:00.47 | One|Adiar | 2.36 and 3.0 yeah? |
| 07:00.48 | Depherios | what's the problem? |
| 07:00.51 | Depherios | yeah |
| 07:01.01 | One|Adiar | DAB 2.36 was working fine for me with 1.9 but I decided to update to DAB 3.0 for the hell of it. When I type /dab now the options window is majorly bugged- any fix for this? When I click things it gives an error- "...face/addons/discordactionbarsoptions/dab_options.lua:1645 attempt to compare nil with number" |
| 07:01.01 | One|Adiar | and DUF has major scaling problems. |
| 07:01.01 | One|Adiar | Any ideas? |
| 07:01.03 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.08 | One|Adiar | oh my bad :\ |
| 07:01.15 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.18 | One|Adiar | okie doke |
| 07:01.25 | One|Adiar | i can't log in to post on the forums |
| 07:01.32 | Depherios | um... where did you get 3.0 at? |
| 07:01.32 | geometrix | I need to know when the Inventory has changed (either added to or removed from) |
| 07:01.53 | One|Adiar | Cairenn's site |
| 07:01.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.08 | One|Adiar | oh cool, i'll register and post that htere then. |
| 07:02.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.05 | One|Adiar | oh beautiful :D |
| 07:03.07 | Depherios | oh... and geo: |
| 07:03.08 | Depherios | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.08 | Depherios | Fired when a bags inventory changes |
| 07:03.08 | Depherios | arg1 |
| 07:03.10 | Depherios | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.11 | One|Adiar | shall grab that now |
| 07:03.16 | geometrix | thanks |
| 07:03.18 | Depherios | I happened to have the events screen open XD |
| 07:04.46 | One|Adiar | any ideas for the DAB problem cairenn? :( |
| 07:05.49 | futrtrubl | Cairenn's just the eye candy, not a mod author ;'] |
| 07:06.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.14 | geometrix | note to self ... IF != good place to develop UI's |
| 07:06.15 | Depherios | poor Loz' page D: |
| 07:06.16 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.29 | Depherios | lol... I stand in deep dark corners of OG to dev Geo XD |
| 07:06.36 | Depherios | but I usually find some backwater inn to stand in |
| 07:06.55 | futrtrubl | my apologies Cair |
| 07:07.07 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.17 | Depherios | Right now my rested is maxed... so I'm sitting in Brackenwall Village... for some reason |
| 07:08.29 | One|Adiar | okie doke, thanks anyway :) |
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| 07:08.40 | Ktron | hey everyone |
| 07:08.42 | Depherios | ... what's that Cair? XD |
| 07:08.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.22 | geometrix | ok help the noob ... |
| 07:09.22 | geometrix | http://wow.pastebin.com/491394 |
| 07:09.48 | geometrix | thats a sniplet of code ... GeoFarmer_Msg = your standard DefaultChatFrame hook ... |
| 07:09.54 | geometrix | it does NOTHING! |
| 07:11.04 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.24 | futrtrubl | geometrix try http://wow.pastebin.com/491396 |
| 07:11.45 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.00 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.49 | futrtrubl | nice ;'] |
| 07:12.56 | geometrix | still nothin |
| 07:13.37 | futrtrubl | you did define geofarmlist before those funcs fire right? |
| 07:13.59 | geometrix | its in its own LUA ... thats included BEFORE the main functions |
| 07:14.12 | geometrix | <Script file="GeoFarmerList.lua"/> |
| 07:14.12 | geometrix | <Script file="GeoFarmer.lua"/> |
| 07:15.43 | futrtrubl | try http://wow.pastebin.com/491399 and see what it outputs |
| 07:16.40 | geometrix | first, what triggers BAG_UPDATE |
| 07:17.05 | futrtrubl | any inventory change |
| 07:17.14 | geometrix | so if i move an item it should fire |
| 07:17.24 | futrtrubl | in thebags, not on your paper doll I believe |
| 07:17.39 | futrtrubl | should do, but also pick up items to be sure |
| 07:18.06 | futrtrubl | and you did register for the BAG_UPDATE event right? |
| 07:18.28 | geometrix | not getting any event trigger at all |
| 07:19.57 | futrtrubl | you did do frame:RegisterEvent("BAG_UPDATE")? |
| 07:21.15 | futrtrubl | frame being the frame that uses that onevent function |
| 07:22.04 | futrtrubl | you still need the <OnEvent> area in your xml, but the frame won't send anything to it if you don't register for the event |
| 07:22.35 | geometrix | ok ... duh |
| 07:22.35 | geometrix | ;) |
| 07:22.46 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 07:24.21 | geometrix | ok ... now im getting usefull information |
| 07:24.21 | futrtrubl | <OnEvent> says what to do when you get an event, RegisterEvent tells it what events to listen for |
| 07:25.07 | geometrix | ok .. |
| 07:25.18 | futrtrubl | I was too ;'] |
| 07:25.36 | geometrix | CompSci major so I can get an admin job not a programming job ... ;x |
| 07:26.12 | futrtrubl | then you have no excuse! ;'] |
| 07:27.56 | geometrix | sweet |
| 07:28.05 | geometrix | yeah I do ... my schoold programming courses SUCK |
| 07:28.45 | futrtrubl | it works? |
| 07:28.49 | geometrix | just finished Programming III ... and all we learned was java spesific crap that was purely syntatical ... no algo no theroy ... just this is what we do, this is how in java ... |
| 07:29.01 | geometrix | yeah it works ... now to add the code to count items |
| 07:29.02 | geometrix | ;x |
| 07:29.36 | futrtrubl | what's this mod going to end up doing? |
| 07:30.40 | geometrix | tracking all basic tradeskill item counts (ore, gems, stone, cloth, herbs, skin, fish) |
| 07:31.21 | futrtrubl | cool |
| 07:31.50 | geometrix | but right now, its probably as far as it will ever get, I suck at follow thru |
| 07:32.32 | futrtrubl | me too, 'till I started my addon, then I got sucked in |
| 07:33.01 | geometrix | well i'm also exausted right now ... and working on rewriting WoWProfiler in Ruby on Rails |
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| 07:35.48 | futrtrubl | ahh, exhaustion ;'] speaking of which, I have a ton of stuff to do tomorrow, and not much time to sleep before then |
| 07:36.29 | futrtrubl | so I think I'll grab some. good luck with your mod geometrix |
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| 07:37.48 | Depherios | G'nighter |
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| 07:52.08 | AnduinLothar | What are the hunter speed spell/auras called? |
| 07:52.34 | ForgottenLords | Aspect of the Cheetah, Aspect of the Pack |
| 07:54.40 | AnduinLothar | just those two or is there another? |
| 07:55.39 | Depherios | Just those... unless they added one recently I don't know about... |
| 07:55.50 | Depherios | use* |
| 07:56.07 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 07:57.57 | Depherios | (which he said yesterday, and is when he realized he needed to start using AFAIK |
| 07:59.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.57 | Ktron | yeah, atm is normal, I use weirder ones |
| 08:00.07 | Ktron | with one friend 'iwd' |
| 08:00.07 | AnduinLothar | atm i am using atm |
| 08:00.12 | Ktron | but that's because I say the longer version a lot to him |
| 08:00.19 | Ktron | fbofw is a fun one |
| 08:00.22 | Ktron | I like fbofw |
| 08:00.41 | Ktron | or iyts |
| 08:00.46 | Depherios | I get a lot of people asking me what atm means, and what XD is |
| 08:01.01 | Ktron | it's a angry duck |
| 08:01.07 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:01.14 | Depherios | I like purls answer |
| 08:01.19 | Depherios | ~XD |
| 08:01.20 | purl | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really funny smily face like :) but better |
| 08:01.47 | Ktron | lol |
| 08:02.07 | AnduinLothar | XD == >< |
| 08:02.28 | Depherios | >< + :D = XD |
| 08:02.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.00 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.10 | AnduinLothar | news to me |
| 08:03.22 | AnduinLothar | not >:( ? |
| 08:03.39 | AnduinLothar | `:/ |
| 08:03.44 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.50 | Depherios | much like the way ^^ = ^_^ |
| 08:03.59 | Depherios | yeah... annoyance XD |
| 08:04.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.24 | AnduinLothar | or an incomplete fish |
| 08:04.27 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.28 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:04.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.12 | Depherios | XD |
| 08:05.19 | Fanook | is anyone here logged into the WoW forums? |
| 08:05.27 | Depherios | not I |
| 08:05.29 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.09 | Depherios | how did I not notice... after all this time... that both of my turn keybindings in my addon to give me another set of movement keybindings... are labled "Turn Left" -- well... nevermind, I don't have turn keys bound... but still |
| 08:06.26 | Fanook | perfect. Cair, for the updated mods thread: ZoneLevel's updated for 1.9, ShowLevel & EventCatcher 1.8 versions still work |
| 08:06.38 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.43 | Fanook | wowinterface |
| 08:06.55 | Fanook | will be doing worldofwar asap |
| 08:07.35 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.11 | Fanook | cool. thx |
| 08:08.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.52 | Ktron | aight, time for me to sleep |
| 08:12.55 | Ktron | night everyone |
| 08:13.20 | AnduinLothar | funny how i had Cosmos workign day one, yet I think I've neglected to update any of my addons anywhere else... |
| 08:13.42 | Kolth | Good man :) |
| 08:13.46 | AnduinLothar | i almost feel bad.. |
| 08:13.49 | Depherios | all my addons of yours are still working great Anduin |
| 08:13.54 | geo_sleep | ok completly off topic... why is it Electronica sounds so much better when your so tired you cant see streight? |
| 08:14.03 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.06 | AnduinLothar | Electronica is goodness |
| 08:14.17 | Depherios | QFT |
| 08:14.28 | AnduinLothar | ya dep, only minor problems. all due to IsShown |
| 08:14.33 | geo_sleep | I know ... but ... it just gets better with sleep deprivation ... |
| 08:14.42 | geo_sleep | and dont tell my girlfriend i said that its good at all.. ;x |
| 08:14.47 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 08:15.04 | AnduinLothar | tell her she needs to get better taste in music |
| 08:15.09 | Depherios | well... I don't use any of the really complex ones... MobileFrames is probably the only one... |
| 08:15.15 | AnduinLothar | my taste, preferably |
| 08:15.18 | AnduinLothar | or urs |
| 08:15.20 | Depherios | (that's complex) |
| 08:15.28 | Depherios | Geo: what does SHE listen to? XD |
| 08:16.05 | geo_sleep | actualy some prity good stuff... mostly older rock (zeplin, beetles ect...) ... |
| 08:16.24 | geo_sleep | and thats my usual listing too ... but ... |
| 08:16.26 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:16.33 | AnduinLothar | and there we have it.. I got Wardrobe working w/o Chronos or Sea (cause it doesn't need them) and it still does all the auto-swaping like it used to |
| 08:16.40 | Depherios | my GF loaned me her Xbox... the only music on it was EVERY PINK FLOYD SONG EVER |
| 08:17.00 | geo_sleep | not to shabby actualy ... |
| 08:17.38 | geo_sleep | if you think about it Pink Floyd was like Electronica before it was realy electronic ... |
| 08:17.45 | Depherios | lol |
| 08:17.58 | Fanook | I wish I could find a vid of their Wall concert |
| 08:18.16 | Depherios | ^_^ |
| 08:18.16 | geo_sleep | the Wall Live at Berlin? |
| 08:18.33 | Depherios | mhmm... she has it atm though |
| 08:18.33 | Fanook | the movie is....weird, and that's an understatement |
| 08:18.49 | geo_sleep | first thing I ever watched in High Def ... The Wall live at Berlin ... |
| 08:18.54 | Depherios | we just watched the movie actually |
| 08:25.58 | AnduinLothar | now to make IsMounted Optional |
| 08:26.09 | AnduinLothar | or.. spose I could make it embeddable.. |
| 08:26.42 | AnduinLothar | mmm embedable sounds good |
| 08:26.58 | AnduinLothar | mmm, cept it has an event frame |
| 08:30.16 | AnduinLothar | love how there's two guys with judgement helm and a guy with ragnoros's hand just chillin in if in front of me... |
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| 08:45.46 | oxman | how i can know if the global cooldown is active or not ? |
| 08:59.54 | Depherios | (haven't even finished anything in years :P) |
| 09:00.12 | oxman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.13 | oxman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.13 | oxman | :p |
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| 09:00.42 | Depherios | Sorry oxman, that's beyond my scope currently :P |
| 09:00.48 | oxman | arf |
| 09:00.55 | Depherios | but I'll look around |
| 09:01.22 | Depherios | I remember I wanted to know a bit ago, but I forget why now XD |
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| 09:17.33 | oxman | etglobal(this:GetName().."Cooldown") |
| 09:17.36 | oxman | getglobal(this:GetName().."Cooldown") |
| 09:17.46 | oxman | work for ActionButton1,2,3,... |
| 09:17.52 | oxman | but for spell book... :'( |
| 09:18.57 | Depherios | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellCooldown |
| 09:19.10 | oxman | SpellButton + number |
| 09:19.11 | oxman | héhé |
| 09:19.22 | oxman | no, GetSpellCooldown don't work for global cooldown |
| 09:19.29 | Depherios | buah |
| 09:19.32 | Depherios | they hate us |
| 09:19.37 | oxman | but |
| 09:19.43 | Depherios | XD |
| 09:19.53 | oxman | getglobal("SpellButton1Cooldown") work |
| 09:19.53 | oxman | :) |
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| 09:33.11 | Depherios | That's odd... CastOptions won't do smart rank casting from flexbar anymore O_o |
| 09:35.13 | Depherios | No... from ANY bar... and yet it will out of the spellbook..... uh... huh |
| 09:35.31 | Depherios | oh well... back to macros for that for awhile I guess |
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| 09:46.19 | kromix | hey guys |
| 09:46.32 | Depherios | Ellooo |
| 09:46.33 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.56 | kromix | hey check your message i have a quesiton for ya Cairenn |
| 09:47.28 | kromix | nevermind it doesnt let me send private messages until i register lol |
| 09:47.33 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.37 | kromix | what I was going to ask was, if you happen to know the AddOn Author "Leakin" was still updating his addons.. was curious to know if I could see if i can fix one of his or if he was still active... |
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| 09:51.06 | kromix | ok cool |
| 09:51.49 | kromix | just sent him an E-mail as well |
| 09:52.00 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.11 | kromix | ok |
| 09:52.54 | Kolth | Doesn't that involve an assumption? |
| 09:52.57 | kromix | lol |
| 09:53.16 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.44 | Kolth | Trynig not to make assumption implies you have a reason which implies there is sometihng bad about assumptions which implies you assume bad things come from them? |
| 09:53.50 | Kolth | I don't know. I'm being a dork. |
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| 09:56.38 | Kolth | Stop assuming so much! |
| 09:56.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:57.15 | Kolth | I'm the master of making friends |
| 09:57.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.33 | Kolth | Thanks :) The feeling's mutual except for the killing part. |
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| 09:59.25 | id` | awww |
| 09:59.26 | id` | :) |
| 09:59.30 | id` | good morning -_- |
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| 09:59.33 | id` | ~mornings |
| 09:59.35 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
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| 09:59.38 | Kolth | Hahaahahah Cair |
| 10:00.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.20 | Kolth | I most certainly hae. |
| 10:00.22 | Kolth | have* |
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| 10:00.39 | Kolth | Roger that :) |
| 10:01.18 | Depherios | ~assume |
| 10:01.20 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): make an ass of you and make an ass of me |
| 10:01.25 | Depherios | ... yup |
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| 10:03.17 | Depherios | now how did I know that would work XD |
| 11:14.01 | id` | http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=GLO8GZE |
| 11:14.02 | id` | photo 2 |
| 11:14.07 | id` | shes my double match |
| 11:14.11 | id` | i'd hit it :O |
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| 11:35.25 | Cyrael | Evening. |
| 11:35.39 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.08 | Cyrael | Any coders around? |
| 11:36.49 | Cyrael | Too early, I guess. |
| 11:36.59 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.19 | Cyrael | I'm in a completely different timezone, so I tend to have trouble matching up. |
| 11:38.27 | Corrodias | i'm sort of here, and i'm a novice wow coder.. |
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| 11:38.44 | Cyrael | Sydney |
| 11:38.52 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.56 | Cyrael | Aye. |
| 11:39.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.35 | Cyrael | I put a post in General Authoring Discussion in relation to the great OO debate that's been going on lately, on how you can completely clean the global namespace down to a single entry, for both XML and Lua data. |
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| 11:40.05 | Corrodias | is it something that matters? |
| 11:40.05 | Cyrael | I've been testing it on my own addon and there's been no negative side effects yet, I'm pleased to say. |
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| 11:40.23 | Cyrael | I'll be here for a bit, aye. |
| 11:40.25 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.35 | Cyrael | Corrodias, just fishing for feedback =) |
| 11:40.39 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.57 | Cyrael | Cairenn, that's like every other IRC channel I've been to =) |
| 11:41.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.08 | Cyrael | People don't like to miss out on chat when they're gone. |
| 11:41.17 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.49 | Cyrael | I'm looking forward to dynamic frames in 1.10, I'm sure I can have fun with that. |
| 11:41.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.55 | Corrodias | dynamic frames? |
| 11:42.05 | Cyrael | 1.10 will allow frames created on the fly. |
| 11:42.12 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.17 | Corrodias | sounds very useful |
| 11:42.24 | Corrodias | i can't think of just how, but it does |
| 11:42.28 | Cyrael | You can't delete them, so they're to be used carefully. |
| 11:42.38 | Cyrael | Well, you can add 100 dots on the minimap without touching the XML file. |
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| 11:43.39 | Cyrael | Because you can't delete them, their purpose is limited. It's to show dynamic data, basically. |
| 11:44.37 | Kalroth | So you can create new frames, but you can't delete them? I'm sorry, but that sounds really *beeep*. :) |
| 11:44.51 | Cyrael | It has specific useful purposes. It can also be easily abused. |
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| 11:45.03 | Kalroth | hi Cair! |
| 11:45.13 | Kalroth | Yup, vacation and then lots of work at work |
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| 11:45.23 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.33 | Kalroth | For some reason the bastarges here at work manage to save the work for me |
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| 11:45.52 | Cyrael | I ran into a problem after I initially posted that thread, when I realised that the GNS isn't sorted. Had to do some quick rewriting. |
| 11:46.33 | Cyrael | The getfenv(0) function is great for checking which addons chock up the GNS =) |
| 11:47.59 | Cyrael | Sorry, my mind in code mode comes with an often undesirable 'babble' feature. |
| 11:48.46 | Kalroth | nono, that's ok, then I don't have to babble as much |
| 11:48.54 | Kalroth | shared babbling is better than focused babbling |
| 11:49.02 | Cyrael | Heh. I'll end up with 10 lines in a row. |
| 11:50.16 | Cyrael | This whole thing started from a simple pair of lines in the first version of my addon. MyMod.Frame1 = MyMod_Frame1; MyMod_Frame1 = nil; |
| 11:52.48 | id` | try ace :\ |
| 11:53.01 | Cyrael | I looked at ace, it doesn't do that. |
| 11:53.12 | id` | you wont need the xml with ace |
| 11:53.55 | Cyrael | Perhaps, but using this method you can use the XML, put the bulk of your layouting in there, and suffer no hit to the GNS. |
| 11:54.05 | id` | you just declare a MyMod = AceAccon:new({}) |
| 11:54.09 | id` | Cyrael: yes, true |
| 11:54.15 | Cyrael | It's the same method Microsoft used in Visual C++ 6 with resource files. |
| 11:55.21 | Cyrael | And this method has no external dependencies. It's 'pure' =) |
| 11:55.50 | Corrodias | (not that that's a huge plus) |
| 11:56.11 | Cyrael | Sure it is. You don't need Ace to run it. That's a chunk less memory being taken up for no reason. |
| 11:56.26 | Corrodias | but then the people already HAVE ace, so.. >_> |
| 11:56.32 | Corrodias | but only if any addon uses it |
| 11:56.44 | Cyrael | And there aren't that many that do, at the moment. |
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| 11:58.02 | id` | yea |
| 11:58.09 | Cyrael | Allow me to rephrase: published addons. |
| 12:01.37 | id` | one thing i dont like about ace |
| 12:01.55 | id` | is that addons are made to be replacements of other addons |
| 12:02.24 | id` | that's why i started to convert the whole UI to how i like it |
| 12:02.56 | Cyrael | I'm trying to find in the Ace code how it could create an interface element on the fly. I'm not finding anything thus far. |
| 12:03.04 | id` | If you see certain functionality pop up everywhere but they are all different, you dont want to make a replacement of 'the best one' |
| 12:03.14 | id` | Cyrael: no, it doesnt. |
| 12:03.23 | Cyrael | So how does it generate visuals? |
| 12:04.26 | id` | Cyrael: i meant that if you have an addon without visuals, you wont need the <ui><script /><frame><scripts><onevent> stuff |
| 12:05.01 | Cyrael | Okay, but the methodology I made works with any XML format, including full frame elements. |
| 12:05.04 | Corrodias | it passes events to scripts that register with it? |
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| 12:05.20 | id` | you can hook events from withing the lua to functions and the AceAddon:new() creates the xml for your addon |
| 12:05.39 | Cyrael | So Ace is solely designed for modifying existing frame elements or performing non-frame operations? |
| 12:05.50 | id` | I'm not the one to ask. i'm a beginner |
| 12:06.16 | Cyrael | Without the ability to generate visuals on the fly, they'd only be able to work with existing visuals. You can't avoid the XML file for new frames. |
| 12:06.25 | AnduinLothar | you cannot create new frame elements until 1.10 |
| 12:06.43 | Cyrael | Yes, that's what I thought. |
| 12:06.52 | AnduinLothar | the most ace can do you you is eliminate the need for an event frame |
| 12:07.06 | Cyrael | So my work does still have a place. Yay =) |
| 12:07.36 | AnduinLothar | because by registering an ace event it is effectually like hooking the ace pre-existing frame and using it's OnEvent driver |
| 12:07.37 | id` | anyway, as i was saying; you shouldnt look for making a replacement, but making such functionality yourself COMBINING the best ideas from what you find elsewhere |
| 12:08.18 | Cyrael | Hmm. The 1.10 changes will only let you create frames, textures and fontstrings. There are a few other elements, from memory. |
| 12:08.24 | AnduinLothar | you still can't 'make' new frames. but you can create a large supply to use ondemand |
| 12:08.49 | AnduinLothar | right, in 1.10 |
| 12:09.09 | Cyrael | I'm just making sure Ace doesn't already do what my thread on the forum suggests doing. |
| 12:09.29 | AnduinLothar | i haven't read it, but i doubt it's especially feasable |
| 12:09.44 | Cyrael | If you haven't read it, how would you make that assessment? |
| 12:09.52 | Cyrael | Do you know what it's about? |
| 12:09.54 | id` | what thread |
| 12:10.19 | Cyrael | I put a thread on the boards about cleaning out the global namespace in both XML and Lua down to a single entity. |
| 12:10.22 | AnduinLothar | because I've tried it myself given the brief description you just gave |
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| 12:10.33 | Cyrael | What description, Anduin? |
| 12:10.39 | Cyrael | I'm not trying to create dynamic frames. |
| 12:11.10 | AnduinLothar | for what use? |
| 12:11.40 | Cyrael | Sorry, that question is meaningless out of context. |
| 12:11.47 | Corrodias | what's the point in doing that, anyway? |
| 12:12.39 | Cyrael | Reducing GNS clutter? It serves two purposes - reduces your addon footprint, which in turn speeds up GNS indexing, and reduces the chance of your named entities being unknowingly changed by another author. |
| 12:13.10 | Cyrael | It's a follow on to the object oriented approach to coding addons. |
| 12:13.13 | AnduinLothar | how is that useful? |
| 12:13.25 | id` | how is it not? |
| 12:13.29 | Cyrael | Exactly. |
| 12:13.46 | Corrodias | let me phrase it another way |
| 12:13.48 | Cyrael | Speeding up indexing produces obvious benefits. |
| 12:13.51 | id` | myaddon_myfunction_youcantcopyit() or myaddon:myfunction() |
| 12:13.58 | Corrodias | other than the possibility of people overwriting your variables, what advantages are there? |
| 12:14.15 | Cyrael | As I said, less footprint means less clutter in the GNS, means faster indexing. |
| 12:14.24 | Corrodias | is this indexing something that happens a lot? |
| 12:14.34 | Cyrael | Every time a named entity is referenced. |
| 12:14.41 | id` | it is also clear that it is part of your addon, object, etc |
| 12:14.43 | Corrodias | yeah, that's pretty often.. |
| 12:14.46 | Cyrael | Which, in some addons, is every frame. |
| 12:15.15 | AnduinLothar | ok. I'm still confused as to what you're suggesting. That methodology has already been recommended for general coding a number of times. are you suggesting an addon that cleans up other people's code? |
| 12:15.22 | Corrodias | which makes me wonder if any of my addons significantly affect my framerate |
| 12:15.34 | Cyrael | Think about it this way. You want to find a single person in the world, and all you have to go by is their name. How long will it take you to find them? |
| 12:16.21 | Cyrael | Then think about how much quicker it would be if you knew their country, and their state, and their city. Makes it a lot easier to find them. |
| 12:17.01 | Cyrael | It's the same principle. Indexing the GNS is like looking for a person in the world based only on their name. Using the OO approach makes the list much smaller because you scale it down in steps. The net result is a faster search. |
| 12:17.44 | AnduinLothar | right, i understand all that, that wasn't what I was asking about, although it does clarify that you're speeking of the same thing i was thinking of |
| 12:17.47 | Corrodias | well, i like it |
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| 12:18.24 | Cyrael | The methodology that has previously been put forward only affects Lua namespace. My methodology cleans up the XML namespace as well. |
| 12:19.02 | Cyrael | I've scanned several of the addons that are big on pushing OO, and none of them do this, so I'm confident (for now) that it's newish. |
| 12:19.54 | AnduinLothar | so you're proposing declaring xml and then redefining all the xml name links to be within a single parent table based on the addon? |
| 12:20.06 | Cyrael | Automatically, with about 6 lines of code, yes. |
| 12:20.08 | id` | i even like writing the addons in this format: "a={b=function(self,foo) print(foo) end} a:b('haha')" instead of "a={} a.b=function(self,foo) print(foo) end a.b(a,'haha')" just because it is clearer |
| 12:20.30 | Corrodias | then the LUA engine cleans out the names from the global namespace |
| 12:20.36 | Cyrael | Correct. |
| 12:20.43 | Cyrael | Well, the code does that. |
| 12:20.57 | Cyrael | MyMod.Frame1 = MyMod_Frame1; MyMod_Frame1 = nil; |
| 12:21.14 | Corrodias | ah |
| 12:21.21 | AnduinLothar | ok, so name space is preserved, but isn't access time slowed by having to call a global variable and then index it? |
| 12:21.28 | id` | it assumes however that you name your frames in a certain way |
| 12:21.45 | Corrodias | so name them that way :o |
| 12:21.46 | Cyrael | The global namespace IS a global variable that is indexed. |
| 12:22.02 | id` | you could mak eit so that you supply a name and it just makes that name part of your MyAddon object |
| 12:22.24 | Cyrael | The code I put there automatically interprets a particular naming scheme, but it's not hard to change if you wanted to. |
| 12:22.25 | id` | if it exists in the xml etcetc |
| 12:22.30 | id` | yep |
| 12:24.00 | Cyrael | Anduin, referring back to the 'person in the world' concept. The current method looks for 1 in 6000000000. Using my method, ideally you would have a top level container for each country. Which means your global namespace is no longer 6000000000, it's closer to 250. Then, within your country of choice, you might have 285000000. That's 1x250 and 1x285M. That's much much quicker than 1x6B |
| 12:24.21 | AnduinLothar | ok, so you're converting all global calls, which are essentially table lookups, to two or more table lookups? |
| 12:24.45 | Cyrael | Correct. The advantage is that you only search what you need. You filter out what you don't. Indexing the global namespace searches -everything-. |
| 12:25.02 | Corrodias | i'm not new to programming but i'm new to LUA... so if you have a ton of variables, all BigName.something, BigName is the only thing in the GNS? and if you say something like "a = blah" in your code, it'll make a new GNS entry "a" (unless it's declared a local variable)? |
| 12:25.03 | AnduinLothar | what do you mean by 'searches' ? |
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| 12:25.13 | Cyrael | Indexes. Attempts to locate particular data within. |
| 12:25.27 | Cyrael | That's right, Corrodias. |
| 12:25.45 | AnduinLothar | have you run any tests to see if your way is faster? |
| 12:26.13 | Cyrael | I haven't, but several others have done tests on the effect of reducing GNS footprint. |
| 12:26.18 | Corrodias | here's my guess of how it would have to work for this improvement to exist: saying "a()" makes the engine perform a linear search through its map to find the element "a" so it can use the address |
| 12:26.32 | AnduinLothar | forgive me if I seem hostile. I'm always dubious of things I didn't think of first. |
| 12:26.36 | Corrodias | me too |
| 12:26.39 | id` | hehe |
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| 12:26.56 | Cyrael | That's right, Corrodias. Indexing is a big "If 1 = what I want, yay. Otherwise...If 2 = what I want, yay. Otherwise..." |
| 12:26.58 | Cide | hi |
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| 12:27.08 | Cyrael | It's a long, tedious process on a huge table. |
| 12:27.34 | AnduinLothar | which is why locals are faster too |
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| 12:27.41 | Corrodias | none of this is compiled, so that makes sense. they would probably use a hash table instead, but it would still be faster when smaller |
| 12:27.41 | Cyrael | That's right. |
| 12:27.54 | id` | Cyrael: thus concluding its a fact that alot of programmers should recode their addons |
| 12:27.55 | Cyrael | Compiled code uses the same method. |
| 12:28.10 | Corrodias | i shouldn't have said that |
| 12:28.13 | Cyrael | Reducing the GNS footprint, whether you use my method or not, is always a good thing. |
| 12:28.16 | Corrodias | i don't know anything about compilers |
| 12:28.40 | Cyrael | Compiled code is faster because it's not interpreted first. |
| 12:28.51 | Corrodias | but it's obvious that it has to keep a list of these things based on their names because it can't replace everything in the lua file with addresses |
| 12:28.54 | id` | Cyrael: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial |
| 12:29.05 | Corrodias | or i may be horribly wrong and making a fool of myself |
| 12:29.26 | Corrodias | if only i had a big addon i made that i could rewrite this way :P |
| 12:29.28 | Cyrael | In Lua, tables are 'linked lists'. They're essentially two arrays linked together. One contains the key, the other contains the data. |
| 12:29.53 | id` | they also have indices though |
| 12:29.57 | id` | (right?) |
| 12:29.57 | Cyrael | When you get back to the assembly level, it doesn't care. It's just two tables. |
| 12:29.59 | Corrodias | i love lua, by the way |
| 12:30.08 | Cyrael | Indices are considered special keys, in Lua. |
| 12:30.14 | id` | hmm |
| 12:30.15 | Cyrael | They're used the same way. |
| 12:30.56 | id` | Cyrael: that link is my site, with some examples of very simple addons i hacked together from others, go go gadget 30kb -> 3kb |
| 12:31.07 | Cyrael | Linked lists require extra processing to handle. They go beyond basic arrays that you can use at the assembly level. |
| 12:31.16 | AnduinLothar | Ok, well I obviously know less of the internal workings on lua. You're method is intreaguing, but as always I'd like to see tests and If possible test it myself |
| 12:31.34 | Cyrael | id`: Yes, a lot of people put superfluous code in their addons. |
| 12:32.16 | id` | i like to throw several together into my own, stripping all configuration (because its already how i like) |
| 12:32.19 | Cyrael | AnduinLothar: By all means. Bear in mind, Blizzard has added 30,000 entities to the GNS because they're idiots. This affects how 'noticable' a single addon changing methodology will be. If all addons do it, however, the difference will be quite noticable. If Blizzard does it, it will fly. |
| 12:32.37 | id` | resulting in really small addons that just do their job and nothing more |
| 12:32.55 | AnduinLothar | but unfortunetly, I don't recode for efficiency unless I can add functionality, usually. it motivates me. It also means i have about 20 addons that need some love. |
| 12:33.16 | Corrodias | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage... |
| 12:33.20 | Cyrael | I'm hoping it might be used for future addons, if people are going to keep efficiency in mind. |
| 12:33.25 | Corrodias | BlizFrames.DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage |
| 12:33.51 | Corrodias | or is it a : instead of .? |
| 12:33.58 | Cyrael | Even if Blizzard just put all of their own things under Blizzard.blah, it would speed up addons dramatically. |
| 12:33.58 | id` | no, . |
| 12:33.59 | Corrodias | i don't think i have the hang of these :'s yet |
| 12:34.16 | Cyrael | Heh. Lua is different to other languages in that respect. Want a primer? |
| 12:34.20 | Corrodias | we-ell... |
| 12:34.22 | id` | yes |
| 12:34.23 | id` | d |
| 12:34.24 | id` | :D |
| 12:34.33 | Corrodias | if they put ALL of their stuff under Blizzard. directly, it wouldn't have as much of an impact |
| 12:34.46 | Corrodias | but if they categorized a little... |
| 12:35.01 | Cyrael | a.b() is the same as saying a["b"](). It's a straight reference. a:b() is the same as saying a.b(a), so it passes itself in. |
| 12:35.22 | Corrodias | it..whoa |
| 12:35.27 | Cyrael | Corrodias: If they put all their stuff under Blizzard, that's 30,000 less items to be indexed when you want to reference your own addon. |
| 12:35.36 | Corrodias | true enough |
| 12:35.49 | id` | Chat.Frame1:addMsg() |
| 12:36.02 | Cyrael | MyMod.Frame1 is identical to MyMod["Frame1"] |
| 12:36.26 | Corrodias | it's too late for that unless they make a patch that rewrites everything and breaks every addon there is, although the fixes would be comparatively simple |
| 12:36.30 | Cyrael | MyMod:Frame1(p1) is identical to MyMod["Frame1"](self, p1) |
| 12:36.32 | Corrodias | not MyMod[Frame1]? |
| 12:36.40 | Cyrael | No. Must be in quotes. |
| 12:36.46 | Cyrael | That's an important difference. |
| 12:36.53 | Corrodias | Frame1 would be evaluated and then used as the index |
| 12:36.56 | Corrodias | i get it |
| 12:37.01 | Cide | Cairenn: updated core with the latest files |
| 12:37.02 | Corrodias | i hope |
| 12:37.06 | Cyrael | MyMod[1] is not equal to MyMod["1"] |
| 12:37.20 | Cyrael | One index is a string, the other is a number. They're different and you can have both in the same table. |
| 12:37.31 | AnduinLothar | ya, you wont be able to make them reverse compatible with existing addons if you modify existing code |
| 12:38.04 | Cyrael | An existing addon that references your existing addon will not work if you update your existing addon. That's why this should be more oriented towards new addons. |
| 12:38.13 | AnduinLothar | but you could rewrite the entire FrameXML (till they ban that) and have a default interface that's faster |
| 12:38.25 | id` | yes |
| 12:38.25 | id` | :D |
| 12:38.25 | Cyrael | Or, tell existing ones to update. It happens whenever a major patch to your own addon happens anyway. |
| 12:38.38 | AnduinLothar | on a smaller scale, yes |
| 12:38.54 | Corrodias | if every addon had to be modified for 1.10 by adding Blizzard. to the front of every bliz frame call.. |
| 12:39.11 | id` | i dont think they should do that |
| 12:39.17 | id` | because its their ui anyway |
| 12:39.25 | id` | just, divide it into parts |
| 12:39.36 | Corrodias | it would be an easy thing to fix, i'll say that |
| 12:39.38 | Cyrael | They've made grand changes like that before, unfortunately. It would definitely be tedious. |
| 12:39.38 | id` | Chat.Frame1, Minimap.Border. you know |
| 12:40.14 | AnduinLothar | reardless, rewriting blizz's code is unrealistic imo. but for future addons it might be possible. if you can prove it benificial |
| 12:40.38 | Cyrael | There's a saying in programming, though. Broken code that works is still broken code. It means 'fix it before it really breaks, don't just ignore it because it works right now'. |
| 12:40.57 | Corrodias | as he/she said (for some reason i'm thinking 'she') said, the impact may not be as big as it could be because of the, what, 30k entries in the GNS from blizzard's code? |
| 12:41.01 | AnduinLothar | and i would cal renaming the entire xml namespace a bit more than the 'grand' we're used to |
| 12:41.25 | Cyrael | Indeed, Anduin. But even if Blizzard doesn't do it, addon developers can, and it will make some difference. |
| 12:41.44 | Corrodias | if only this had been known sooner |
| 12:41.58 | AnduinLothar | some, tell me how much and I'll consider changing |
| 12:42.46 | Cyrael | It's collaborative. Your mod alone won't make much difference. But if everyone takes that position, there'll definitely be no change. If everyone migrates, there will be. |
| 12:42.49 | AnduinLothar | i've already found it hard enough to convert old addons to tabled namespaces |
| 12:43.19 | Cyrael | Don't get my position wrong, I'm not sitting here insisting that this 'superior' method be adopted by all developers immediately. I'm just putting it forward for mod developers that may be resource conscious. |
| 12:43.33 | AnduinLothar | My mod alone makes a difference when I can get most of Cosmos updated. motivate me |
| 12:43.56 | Corrodias | i might get a couple of FPS higher. motivated yet? >_> |
| 12:44.27 | Cyrael | Less client-side lag across the board, because you're doing less. Frees the CPU for other tasks. |
| 12:44.36 | Cyrael | It's small, but it's there. |
| 12:45.00 | AnduinLothar | nah, that kind of motivation has already been used a number of times. I've explored a few thousand lines of code into various spped improvements, some work, some dont |
| 12:45.25 | Cyrael | I won't lie to you. Converting a big mod will be a hellish task. I wouldn't suggest it, unless you really want to optimise it. |
| 12:45.38 | Corrodias | ... it's hard to motivate people when it doesn't matter at all to them whether or not people use their stuff |
| 12:45.49 | Corrodias | ^ sudden revelation |
| 12:45.50 | AnduinLothar | lol, that's not me |
| 12:46.20 | Corrodias | well, it may not apply here. you might be a Nice Person who wants to make Useful Things |
| 12:46.21 | Cyrael | Well, one has to remember that we're not paid. Making a huge change like this may not be worth the effort to some people. I respect that. We're doing it for fun, not necessarily for superiority. |
| 12:46.55 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.08 | Cyrael | If I said no, would you boot me? |
| 12:47.09 | Cyrael | =) |
| 12:47.18 | Kalroth | She's a meanie, so yes she would! |
| 12:47.26 | Cyrael | Good thing I'm joking =) |
| 12:47.59 | AnduinLothar | it's more like a combination of Being Useful and Obsesive Addiction With Being Found Useful |
| 12:47.59 | Corrodias | interject please |
| 12:48.17 | Cyrael | From scratch, Anduin, that's not a problem. That's my target. |
| 12:48.45 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.04 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.07 | AnduinLothar | that's not an interjection |
| 12:49.11 | id` | i listen (read) with joy though Cairenn |
| 12:49.17 | Cyrael | If you could point out where I've been aggressive? |
| 12:49.45 | AnduinLothar | don't bother, it's a natual response of conversing with me, happens to everyone |
| 12:49.47 | Corrodias | all for "low-toned" debate? |
| 12:50.07 | Cyrael | I've just been responding to questions. There hasn't been any aggression in anything I've said. |
| 12:50.07 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.34 | Cyrael | Of course. |
| 12:50.37 | id` | yes ma'am |
| 12:50.39 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.39 | id` | :X |
| 12:50.43 | AnduinLothar | said the ref as she picks up her yellow flags |
| 12:50.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.51 | id` | ^^ |
| 12:51.15 | Legorol | *cough* |
| 12:51.17 | Cyrael | Feel free to interject on-topic too, Cairenn =) |
| 12:51.21 | id` | >_> |
| 12:51.22 | Corrodias | well, at least Cyrael had the stuff to back up her/his propositions. it's nice to see some real information go with suggestion. |
| 12:51.33 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.43 | Cyrael | I suppose it helps that I'm a programmer by profession, Corrodias. |
| 12:51.48 | Legorol | afternoon, Cairenn |
| 12:51.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.51 | Legorol | you're up early.. |
| 12:52.00 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.00 | Legorol | been up for 4 hours nwo ;-) |
| 12:52.06 | Legorol | i'm back on EU time |
| 12:52.12 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.26 | Legorol | i normally live on semi-american time |
| 12:52.28 | Cyrael | Anyway, bottom line is -I- think it's a good idea, and -I- will be using it in my own addons. Other devs can do what they like =) |
| 12:52.35 | Legorol | i really should go to sleep earlier :D |
| 12:52.37 | AnduinLothar | still needs some testing, feed it to leg, iriel, they like doing that |
| 12:53.00 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.00 | Legorol | i'm going to nail down some details about how scaling works |
| 12:53.03 | Corrodias | sounds good to me. now if only i had a big addon that i wrote or am writing that i could try it on. :P |
| 12:53.12 | Cyrael | Legorol: badly |
| 12:53.48 | Legorol | Cairenn, your ability to kill is renowned... whether conversations or people ;-) |
| 12:53.53 | AnduinLothar | feed it to Archeaologist, it has all the same Function names that need to be converted and a million xml elements |
| 12:53.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.00 | Legorol | nope |
| 12:54.02 | Cyrael | Unfortunately all pixels are not equal in a straight DirectX texture scale, which is what WoW does. |
| 12:54.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.13 | Legorol | you didn't? time to start. |
| 12:54.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.24 | Legorol | i didn't know there were issues about scaling |
| 12:54.33 | Legorol | i am just fiddling to found out all the details |
| 12:54.34 | AnduinLothar | define 'issues' |
| 12:54.39 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.47 | Cyrael | What are you scaling, Legorol? |
| 12:55.28 | Legorol | my workload |
| 12:55.44 | Legorol | wow, 15 pages already.. |
| 12:55.54 | Cyrael | Cairenn, that's not a problem, that's a fix =P |
| 12:55.59 | AnduinLothar | well, i'm shot and it's 5 am. I'm torn between finishing my Wardrobe update and getting the sleep i need |
| 12:56.12 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.13 | Corrodias | what sort of update is wardrobe getting? |
| 12:56.13 | AnduinLothar | pretty sure my abiity to reason is nearly gone |
| 12:56.28 | id` | 13:54:48 <Cyrael> What are you scaling, Legorol? |
| 12:56.28 | id` | 13:55:29 <Legorol> my workload |
| 12:56.30 | id` | haha :-) |
| 12:56.34 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.35 | Cyrael | 5am...that sounds like Hawaii? |
| 12:56.45 | AnduinLothar | Cali |
| 12:56.54 | AnduinLothar | Spam: |
| 12:56.55 | AnduinLothar | v1.4 (by AnduinLothar) |
| 12:56.55 | AnduinLothar | -Removed Sea dep |
| 12:56.55 | AnduinLothar | -Removed Chronos dep |
| 12:56.55 | AnduinLothar | -Added IsMounted dep for efficiency: |
| 12:56.56 | AnduinLothar | Fixes Aspect of the Cheetah and Aspect of the Pack incorrect mount detection, |
| 12:56.57 | AnduinLothar | Required for mount auto swap (Wardrobe will still work w/o it, you can still assign mount sets, but it wont swap) |
| 12:56.57 | Cyrael | Hmm. I don't know American timezones very well. |
| 12:57.00 | AnduinLothar | -Removed tooltip scanning |
| 12:57.02 | AnduinLothar | -Added Delay to DropDownMenu hiding |
| 12:57.04 | AnduinLothar | -Minimap button uses MobileMinimapButton when availible |
| 12:57.25 | id` | Cyrael: where are you? |
| 12:57.29 | Cyrael | Sydney |
| 12:57.53 | Cyrael | And whoever was wondering, before, the gender is male. |
| 12:58.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.04 | Corrodias | won't removing the Sea and Chronos dependencies mean you have to duplicate the functions you used to use? |
| 12:58.07 | Cyrael | .au, yes |
| 12:58.13 | AnduinLothar | well you said the profession was programming, that cleared it up a bit |
| 12:58.26 | Cyrael | Cleared what up? |
| 12:58.30 | AnduinLothar | Corrodias> no, they were superfluous |
| 12:58.48 | Legorol | Cair, thanks for the slouken link |
| 12:58.51 | AnduinLothar | I do not copy my own dependancies, i only make them obsolete |
| 12:58.56 | Corrodias | excellent |
| 12:58.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.02 | Legorol | Iriel and I were discussing finer details the other day |
| 12:59.08 | Cyrael | I hate dependencies. I was brought up to write my own code =) |
| 12:59.14 | Corrodias | does this also mean wardrobe will be a decent mount-equip-swapping addon so i can toss out these other buggy ones i've looked at? |
| 12:59.15 | Legorol | such as what scale does an anchoring call such as frame:SetPoint uses? |
| 12:59.22 | Cyrael | Sorry. External dependencies. |
| 12:59.23 | Legorol | is it parent, child, or absolute and other stuff like that |
| 12:59.31 | Legorol | now that EU got 1.9 at last, i can test it :D |
| 12:59.38 | Cyrael | Lego, it's the scale of the parent. |
| 12:59.39 | Corrodias | i like dependencies on reasonably popular libraries to reduce the amount of code all over the place |
| 12:59.41 | AnduinLothar | Cyreal. You start loving dependacies when you have a hand writing them |
| 12:59.48 | Legorol | Cyrael, doesn't look like it, from my testing |
| 12:59.59 | Cyrael | Anduin, I have no problem with my own extensions. I don't like external dependencies. Third party. |
| 13:00.00 | Legorol | but i need to fiddle a bit mroe |
| 13:00.19 | AnduinLothar | these weren't third party |
| 13:00.25 | Corrodias | you're talking about setpoint's "offset" parameters? |
| 13:00.35 | Cyrael | Legorol: I have an object in my current mod that scales appropriately. The parent has nothing to do with the anchor point, bear in mind. |
| 13:00.59 | Cyrael | Rephrased, if you anchor A to B and A is a child of C, A will scale to C, not to B. |
| 13:02.08 | Cyrael | Maybe that was more confusing, instead of less... |
| 13:02.21 | Corrodias | therefore i should make my experience bar the child of the main action bar... |
| 13:02.29 | AnduinLothar | Seeing as I had a hand in writing Sea, Chronos, Sky, and IsMounted I have no qualms using them, except when their code is inefficient, in which case i rewrite it, or if it will substantially limit my target audience |
| 13:02.44 | Cyrael | Components should always be children of the object that contains them. |
| 13:03.02 | Cyrael | AnduinLothar: reasonable =) |
| 13:03.35 | Cyrael | My addon is only dependent on its own core, because I put all the utility functions there. |
| 13:03.36 | Legorol | Cyrael, that's not exactly how scaling of anchors works |
| 13:03.37 | Corrodias | i have a Root Beer dependency |
| 13:03.47 | AnduinLothar | the problem comes when I get people telling me to remove my own dependancies.. I just want to smash their face in most of the time. not really very plesent |
| 13:04.00 | Cyrael | Legorol: I haven't extensively tested it because mine works as intended. I'm not an authority on the matter =) |
| 13:04.03 | Legorol | the layout engine uses the effective scale of the child being anchored to calculate the actual onscreen offset, independent of whether it's being anchored to its parent or not |
| 13:04.22 | Cyrael | Scaling happens before positioning, though. |
| 13:04.48 | Corrodias | it works! |
| 13:04.54 | Cyrael | Even prior to the scaling change, all objects in the interface assumed a 1024x768 default scale, and changed up or down from there. |
| 13:04.55 | Corrodias | the experience bar scales right now. i'm pleased. |
| 13:04.58 | AnduinLothar | I'm like... I wrote the code... in both places... you want it where, why? |
| 13:05.11 | Legorol | ok to avoid any misunderstandings about scaling, let's define some terminology |
| 13:05.13 | AnduinLothar | ah, but i'm rambling. sleep it is |
| 13:05.25 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.27 | Cyrael | AnduinLothar: A lot of people don't like dependencies of any kind. |
| 13:05.27 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 13:05.27 | Legorol | so far, i noticed that everyone likes to think about scaling in aobut 100 different ways |
| 13:05.29 | Legorol | nn AnduinLothar |
| 13:05.32 | Legorol | have a good sleep |
| 13:05.41 | AnduinLothar | leg can straiten u all out. he's a good guy |
| 13:05.54 | Legorol | thanky :-) |
| 13:06.05 | Legorol | what discusssion did i jump into anyway :D |
| 13:06.19 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.21 | Cyrael | Minimising the global namespace in both XML and Lua to a single entity. |
| 13:06.39 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.39 | AnduinLothar | isn't that me all the time? |
| 13:06.41 | Corrodias | a nifty concept |
| 13:06.45 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.52 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.01 | Cyrael | It's an extension of the previously put forward OO concept for Lua, to include XML elements as well. |
| 13:07.08 | AnduinLothar | wait wait, when am I nice? |
| 13:07.20 | AnduinLothar | is there like a time period? |
| 13:07.22 | Legorol | Cairenn, thanks, will read it late |
| 13:07.24 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.43 | Corrodias | it hinges on this "RegisterXML" function i haven't heard of before.. |
| 13:07.43 | Legorol | AnduinLothar is never nice :p |
| 13:07.49 | Legorol | j/k |
| 13:07.53 | Corrodias | because it's written right there! |
| 13:07.54 | Cyrael | It's defined in the source, Corrodias. |
| 13:08.02 | Corrodias | i must be getting tired, too |
| 13:08.12 | AnduinLothar | mmk, brain's lil too foggy to really understand or interprite these inputs.. |
| 13:08.46 | Cyrael | Legorol: I believe you were clarifying what you meant by scale. |
| 13:09.03 | Corrodias | now here's where my unfamiliarity with LUA makes it hard to understand what's going on: self.gns = nil; |
| 13:09.28 | Cyrael | That refers to the gns object on the 'self'. In that case, 'self' is MyMod |
| 13:09.36 | Cyrael | Same as saying MyMod.gns |
| 13:09.45 | Corrodias | and what is MyMod.gns? |
| 13:09.55 | Cyrael | MyMod is a table. gns is an element of that table. |
| 13:10.01 | Cyrael | MyMod["gns"] |
| 13:10.12 | Corrodias | i mean, in a more specific way... in this context, what does setting that to nil do? |
| 13:10.21 | Cyrael | It's defined in the first line: MyMod.gns = getfenv(0); |
| 13:10.32 | Corrodias | gah, maybe i should read the whole thing |
| 13:10.41 | Cyrael | Huh. I think there's an error in the code. |
| 13:10.49 | Cyrael | Oops. |
| 13:11.06 | Corrodias | did you mean source = nil? |
| 13:11.29 | Cyrael | Fixed |
| 13:11.47 | Cyrael | Wait. That's not right either. Now I know I'm tired. |
| 13:12.12 | Cyrael | There. |
| 13:12.22 | Cyrael | It should have been self.gns[source] = nil; |
| 13:12.56 | Cyrael | You can't just set source to nil, because that sets the local source variable. We need to actually delete the entity from the GNS, so we need to index it. |
| 13:13.04 | Corrodias | ah, good, like java |
| 13:13.35 | Cyrael | Yes. 'source' is a variable, not a literal. If source = "abc", then gns[source] = gns["abc"] = gns.abc |
| 13:13.48 | Cyrael | And in the global namespace, gns.anything = anything |
| 13:14.13 | Corrodias | getfenv(0).anything apparently |
| 13:14.26 | Corrodias | what all does getfenv do? |
| 13:14.54 | Cyrael | getfenv(0) returns a table reference to the GNS. If you say gns = getfenv(0); gns.TargetFrame:Hide(); this is the same as saying TargetFrame:Hide() except that you're actually able to delete it. |
| 13:15.32 | Cyrael | Do you know how domains work? |
| 13:15.37 | Cyrael | Like, wowinterface.com? |
| 13:15.38 | Corrodias | saying TargetFrame = nil would delete the ... frame, which isn't possible... uh |
| 13:16.30 | Cyrael | gns["TargetFrame"] = nil; is the same as saying TargetFrame = nil;. The difference is you can put the actual word "TargetFrame" in a variable in the first method. You can't in the latter. |
| 13:16.31 | Corrodias | sort of, i guess. i'm not a big web guy. |
| 13:17.34 | Cyrael | In websites, strictly speaking, an address like wowi is WOWINTERFACE.COM. <- notice the extra dot. |
| 13:18.20 | Cyrael | There's an invisible top level domain element that is always assumed - you never have to specify it. The same is true of the global namespace. It's an invisible top level element that you don't have to explicitly reference. In Lua, you -can- get a reference to it if you need it, though. |
| 13:18.36 | Corrodias | how fancy |
| 13:18.56 | Cyrael | In your browser, type in www.wowinterface.com. and you'll see it will work. |
| 13:20.02 | Cyrael | The extra dot doesn't have to be said, it's assumed. BUT, you can say it if you want. In Lua, the global namespace can't be 'said' unless you get a reference to it first. That's what getfenv(0) does. |
| 13:20.22 | Corrodias | i see. i'm liking LUA a lot |
| 13:20.27 | Cyrael | Using the resulting table, there's nothing stopping you from deleting the entire global namespace. |
| 13:20.41 | Corrodias | WoW and its use of LUA is much more powerful than what we got with Neverwinter Nights |
| 13:21.04 | Cyrael | Lua is specifically built to extend C. That's what Blizzard is using it for, so it's naturally perfect for the task. |
| 13:21.21 | Cyrael | Sorry, I should say that's what Lua was initially written for. It has since been extended. |
| 13:22.22 | id` | interpreting that part (the ui) also makes it faster for blizzard to develop and make changes |
| 13:22.51 | Cyrael | It requires no recompile, and conveniently provides a standardised interface to mod developers. |
| 13:22.58 | Cyrael | Great move on their part. |
| 13:23.21 | Cyrael | The UI is completely separate from the game engine. It also means enhanced security. |
| 13:23.23 | Corrodias | do the LUA file operation functions work through wow's interpreter? |
| 13:23.30 | Cyrael | No. |
| 13:23.48 | Cyrael | Most aspects of Lua are extended by C libraries. Blizzard just has to remove the libraries they don't want you to access. |
| 13:24.13 | Corrodias | aww. i did see one addon on curse that claimed to write to a file. i should see what's in it. |
| 13:24.24 | Cyrael | Everything except the basic language structure in Lua is actually a C extension. Or another language. |
| 13:24.55 | Cyrael | Blizzard provides their own data storage mechanism. It only triggers on logout and reload, though. |
| 13:25.12 | Cyrael | All you can do is request that an object be saved. It won't be saved until Blizzard wants to. |
| 13:25.24 | Cyrael | Again, for security reasons. |
| 13:25.53 | Corrodias | good control... |
| 13:26.06 | Cyrael | Anything that writes to a file while the game is still running uses an external executable, which is against Blizzard policy. |
| 13:26.48 | Corrodias | either i misunderstood the claim or they changed the wording. it just lets you choose what channels are included in the chat log |
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| 13:29.27 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.44 | Cyrael | peer is a BOFH =) |
| 13:29.53 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.39 | Corrodias | i should go to bed now so i can get my hair cut tomorrow |
| 13:31.08 | Cide- | my cats |
| 13:31.19 | Cide- | they pulled the cable twice in 5 minutes |
| 13:31.34 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.43 | Cyrael | I should go to bed because I have a certification exam in 8 hours =P |
| 13:31.49 | Cyrael | Should is a great word. |
| 13:31.53 | Corrodias | certificatio nfor what? |
| 13:31.54 | Cide | with my disconnects? yeah |
| 13:32.01 | Cyrael | Internal certification, Corrodias. |
| 13:32.07 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.40 | Cyrael | Clearly peer, while still a BOFH, is not to blame for this incident. BOFH Mittens is to blame. |
| 13:32.48 | Corrodias | i think i get it. well, 'ni |
| 13:32.57 | Cyrael | Night, Corrodias. |
| 13:32.58 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.57 | Corrodias | quick question |
| 13:34.11 | Corrodias | why did you say function MyMod:GetGNSKeys() instead of function MyMod.GetGNSKeys() ? |
| 13:34.30 | Cyrael | The : passes MyMod in as the 'self' variable. It's not available otherwise. |
| 13:34.46 | Corrodias | aha |
| 13:34.49 | Cyrael | a:function() is the same as a.function(a) |
| 13:35.19 | Corrodias | i have also seen "this" used in some addons. what does that reference? it might be a pretty hard question to answer in such a general way |
| 13:35.32 | id` | same Q --^ |
| 13:35.33 | Cyrael | 'this' is very misleading. |
| 13:35.41 | Corrodias | in an event handler, for example... the frame that triggered the event, maybe? |
| 13:35.52 | Cyrael | 'this' is not 'self'. Within the scope of MyMod.function(), 'this' is not MyMod. |
| 13:36.23 | Cyrael | 'this' refers to the object that called the function, I believe. |
| 13:36.47 | Cyrael | It's a difficult one in Lua. It should only really be used when playing with events. |
| 13:36.57 | Corrodias | so you might have to print it to the chat frame and see what it is |
| 13:37.05 | Corrodias | before deciding how to use it |
| 13:37.10 | Kalroth | 'this' should be the caller, while 'self' is the object you're in, yeah |
| 13:37.21 | Cyrael | You'd have to pack it first, and pack isn't available in Blizzard's implementation. |
| 13:37.25 | Corrodias | the caller would, in an event handler, be what, a frame? |
| 13:37.27 | Corrodias | pack? |
| 13:37.41 | Cyrael | pack() is a Lua function that turns a table into a string. |
| 13:37.51 | Cyrael | Or that might be unpack(). I can't recall. |
| 13:37.56 | Cyrael | It's not available, anyway. |
| 13:38.12 | Kalroth | it's usually the calling object, so in most addons 'this' would be the same as 'self', I believe |
| 13:38.23 | Cyrael | When an event is triggered, 'this' is the frame element that triggered it. |
| 13:39.01 | Cyrael | For events, Kalroth, yes. For function calls within your mod, no. |
| 13:39.26 | Corrodias | i wonder how far back it goes |
| 13:39.51 | Cyrael | You can only see one level back, no 'thisthis' or anything =) |
| 13:40.18 | Corrodias | if 'this' is a frame, then in your onevent function you call another of your functions, is 'this' now your addon name? |
| 13:40.27 | Cyrael | Yes. |
| 13:40.33 | Corrodias | i see |
| 13:40.58 | Cyrael | MyMod.OnLoad() MyMod:func() end |
| 13:41.07 | Cyrael | func() will receive 'MyMod', not the frame object. |
| 13:41.35 | Corrodias | which is the same as self. and self == nil in MyMod.OnLoad() |
| 13:42.39 | Cyrael | In that case, yes. But if you had ~~ MyMod.OnLoad() MyMod.Frame1:func() end ~~, then func() receives MyMod as 'this' and MyMod.Frame1 as 'self' |
| 13:43.10 | Cyrael | I'm a bit hazy on the exact workings of 'this'. I stopped using it when I realised it wasn't the same as C++ |
| 13:43.32 | Corrodias | could you, if so inclined, have written it -> function MyMod.RegisterXML(source, dest) dest = source; this.gns[source] = nil; end <- to the same effect? |
| 13:44.22 | Cyrael | No, because RegisterXML might be called from deeper levels than just MyMod. Could be MyMod.Frame1.OnLoad where it gets called. |
| 13:44.37 | Cyrael | Hmm. |
| 13:45.08 | Corrodias | but then you have your declaration at the top as MyMod.gns so it's not going to be anything lower |
| 13:45.10 | Cyrael | No, that's right. In that case, MyMod.Frame1 = this, and MyMod = self |
| 13:46.07 | Cyrael | MyMod.gns is the object we're trying to reference, which means we need MyMod on its own as the scope in order to use this. If I call RegisterXML from inside MyMod.Frame1.OnLoad, this becomes MyMod.Frame1. There is no MyMod.Frame1.gns, so it would throw an error. |
| 13:46.33 | Corrodias | i see.. |
| 13:47.08 | Corrodias | now this onload event is triggered by the frame you defined in the XML, right? |
| 13:47.08 | Cyrael | The difference confused me a bit as well. 'this' in C++ and Java always refers to the object that owns the function. It's not the same in Lua. |
| 13:47.21 | Cyrael | Yes. In the example code, you could use 'this' and 'self' interchangeably. If you extended it, you'd need 'self'. |
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| 13:48.06 | Corrodias | within the MyMod:RegisterXML() call made by MyMod.OnLoad, 'this' is... MyMod.OnLoad? |
| 13:48.14 | Cyrael | Within the scope of the OnLoad function, 'this' is equal to the frame object. Within the scope of the RegisterXML function, 'this' is equal to the object that called it (MyMod) |
| 13:48.35 | Cyrael | No, it refers to the table that owns the function, not the function itself. |
| 13:49.24 | Cyrael | For intensive purposes, 'this' only ever refers to a table, or nil. |
| 13:49.36 | Corrodias | table that owns the function? |
| 13:49.41 | Cyrael | I should have said that as 'intents and purposes'. I'm tired =) |
| 13:50.17 | Corrodias | mymod is the table |
| 13:50.18 | Corrodias | okay |
| 13:50.19 | Cyrael | Yes. a = {}; function a.function(); means that a["function"] is actually a function, not data. This is because functions are first class objects in Lua. |
| 13:51.19 | End | if you defined it as a:function(), I think the first arg is implicitly called self |
| 13:51.27 | Cyrael | That's right. |
| 13:51.35 | Cyrael | And 'a' is passed in. |
| 13:51.35 | Corrodias | if a function is called from a global function, 'this' is the GNS? |
| 13:51.54 | Cyrael | Good question. |
| 13:51.58 | Cyrael | I don't know. |
| 13:51.59 | End | yeah, basically when you -call- it does, a.function(a) |
| 13:52.11 | End | a:function() => a.function(a) |
| 13:52.21 | Cyrael | It may be nil, because the global namespace is hidden until requested. |
| 13:52.56 | Corrodias | define -> function blah() dosomething(); end // define -> function dosomething() somehow_output(this); end |
| 13:53.25 | Cyrael | Change somehow_output(this) to message(type(this)) in WoW and it will pop up a messagebox with the data type. |
| 13:53.37 | Cyrael | It will be either nil or table |
| 13:53.50 | Corrodias | i ought to try this. i have a LUA pad addon |
| 13:54.01 | Cyrael | I suspect nil, but I'm not certain. |
| 13:54.08 | Corrodias | booting WoW |
| 13:55.26 | Corrodias | know what, i really ought to make a call to blah() at some point in my little pad :P |
| 13:55.41 | Corrodias | the result is "table" |
| 13:55.47 | Cyrael | Interesting. |
| 13:56.03 | Cyrael | Change the line to message(type(this.blah)) |
| 13:56.26 | Corrodias | result is "nil" |
| 13:56.35 | Cyrael | Hmm. So it's a table, but it's not the global namespace. |
| 13:57.13 | Corrodias | you know... |
| 13:57.21 | Corrodias | wait.. never mind |
| 13:58.02 | Cyrael | Try adding this immediately before the message: local text = ""; for n in pairs(this) do text = text .. n .. ":"; end |
| 13:58.09 | Cyrael | then change the message to say message(text) |
| 13:59.01 | Cyrael | That should output the table keys in the format Key1:Key2:Key3: |
| 13:59.48 | id` | i very much dislike lua's '..' |
| 13:59.58 | id` | why cant they just use + |
| 14:00.00 | Cyrael | It's not too different from PHP's . |
| 14:00.16 | End | I'm not sure why they don't use +, but they can't use . |
| 14:00.24 | Corrodias | result is "0:" |
| 14:00.24 | id` | 'str'+'str' == 'strstr' how hard is that |
| 14:00.26 | Cyrael | The operator+ in Lua is reserved for math equations. Remember, you can add two strings together, if they're both numbers |
| 14:00.40 | Cyrael | "1" + "2" = 3 |
| 14:00.49 | End | mmm, didn't know that |
| 14:00.52 | id` | thats bad |
| 14:00.53 | id` | :| |
| 14:00.53 | Corrodias | and using that 3 like a string will make it into a string :D |
| 14:01.00 | id` | should be '12' imo |
| 14:01.05 | Cyrael | That's right. Dynamic data conversion. |
| 14:01.07 | Corrodias | "1" + "2" == "3" |
| 14:01.28 | Cyrael | Corrodias: message(type(this[0])) |
| 14:01.37 | Cyrael | Remove the local text="" stuff |
| 14:01.39 | End | anyways, they can't use . because you can't tell the difference between another variable and a table key :P |
| 14:01.45 | Corrodias | i'm outputting everything to the chat frame anyway |
| 14:01.57 | End | php uses $ for the variable name prefix |
| 14:02.05 | Cyrael | Okay, well use type(this[0]) |
| 14:02.07 | End | so php can't just go duh, that's a variable |
| 14:02.26 | Corrodias | result is "userdata" |
| 14:02.30 | id` | Cyrael: 'str'+'str'=='strstr', '1'+'2'=='12' <-- why wouldnt they do it like this? |
| 14:02.32 | Cyrael | Really...that's interesting. |
| 14:02.33 | End | this:GetName() |
| 14:02.44 | Cyrael | No, this[0]:GetName() |
| 14:02.56 | End | it shouldn't matter |
| 14:03.05 | Cyrael | The zero entry is not default in a table. |
| 14:03.05 | End | well |
| 14:03.11 | End | it's userdata |
| 14:03.18 | End | this:GetName() I -know- works |
| 14:03.24 | Corrodias | error: attempt to index field `?' (a userdata value) |
| 14:03.31 | End | haha |
| 14:03.33 | Corrodias | i'll try without the [0] |
| 14:03.43 | Cyrael | Try UnitName(this[0]) |
| 14:04.01 | End | I...don't think UnitName(this[0]) will do anything meaningful |
| 14:04.01 | Cyrael | Oh wait, userdata. That's a custom field in Lua |
| 14:04.14 | Cyrael | Output this[0] directly. |
| 14:04.32 | Cyrael | It probably won't work, but worth a try. |
| 14:04.49 | Corrodias | seems to have output nothing |
| 14:04.54 | Cyrael | Blank? |
| 14:04.55 | Corrodias | no line in the chat frame |
| 14:05.09 | End | which? :GetName() or this[0]? |
| 14:05.12 | Cyrael | Well, that's Blizzard's not-nil nil, by the looks of it. |
| 14:05.22 | Corrodias | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(this[0]); produces nothing |
| 14:05.25 | Cyrael | A table with a single empty non-nil entry. |
| 14:05.47 | Corrodias | i wonder if it == nil |
| 14:05.54 | Cyrael | Nope. |
| 14:05.55 | End | no |
| 14:06.02 | Cyrael | nil is only ever equal to nil. Your 'this' is a table. |
| 14:06.19 | Corrodias | okay, okay. not that my quick attempt output anything anyway. ._. |
| 14:07.02 | Cyrael | nil and false are the only equal values. 0 and "" are not equal to nil. |
| 14:07.06 | Corrodias | aha, aha |
| 14:07.19 | Corrodias | i output this:GetName() and it's the execute button on my lua pad |
| 14:07.41 | Cyrael | "" != false; 0 != false; |
| 14:08.01 | Cyrael | nil != false; |
| 14:08.10 | End | false != nil ...they just act the same in a boolean context |
| 14:08.19 | Cyrael | Yep |
| 14:08.26 | Corrodias | i wonder why the button is considered a table |
| 14:08.34 | End | because a button is a frame |
| 14:08.36 | Cyrael | Every XML component is a table. |
| 14:08.40 | End | and all frames are tables |
| 14:08.41 | End | yeah |
| 14:08.43 | Corrodias | myDebugScriptsFrameExecuteButton |
| 14:08.47 | Cyrael | Even non-frames. |
| 14:09.06 | Corrodias | so apparently when a global function calls another function, 'this' does not change from what it was within the global function |
| 14:09.07 | End | well yeah, texture and fontobjects and whatnot are tables too :P |
| 14:09.40 | Cyrael | It might be a scoping problem, Corrodias. |
| 14:09.59 | Cyrael | Might be a bug in the code, rather than that. |
| 14:10.06 | End | no, not a bug |
| 14:10.39 | Cyrael | I suppose it makes sense, a global function has to be called from an object eventually. |
| 14:11.00 | End | a fair amount of FrameXML code will take a frame as an argument, but if it doesn't get a frame, it defaults to this |
| 14:11.02 | Cyrael | Even if the object is outside of Lua. |
| 14:11.08 | Corrodias | well, blizzard's interpreter is what decides what 'this' is. whether or not it strictly follows the rules of LUA i don't know. |
| 14:11.35 | End | the blizzard interpreter is just the lua interpreter, but modified slightly |
| 14:11.58 | End | some features removed mostly |
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| 14:15.23 | Corrodias | funny.. i rewrote it as Test = {}; |
| 14:15.24 | Corrodias | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.33 | Corrodias | and i get the same results for 'this' as before |
| 14:15.47 | Cyrael | Test is still global. |
| 14:15.56 | Corrodias | but blah() isn't any more |
| 14:16.03 | Cyrael | The : operator affects self, not this |
| 14:16.08 | Corrodias | when dosomething() is called, it's called from the Test table |
| 14:16.27 | Corrodias | this.blah is still nil within dosomething() |
| 14:16.37 | Cyrael | blah() is still global, because Test is a function, not a table. |
| 14:16.40 | End | what is this:GetName() again? |
| 14:17.02 | End | (or rather, what was this?) |
| 14:17.06 | Cyrael | Sorry... |
| 14:17.06 | End | it was your button right? |
| 14:17.14 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 14:17.22 | End | yeah, that makes sense :P |
| 14:17.32 | End | the button's OnClick script gets called |
| 14:17.42 | End | this gets set to the button |
| 14:17.52 | Cyrael | 'this' is convoluted in Lua, I'm content to leave it at that. |
| 14:17.57 | Corrodias | and it would appear that 'this' does not change even when the scope changes |
| 14:18.06 | Corrodias | maybe it's always the frame element generating the event |
| 14:18.12 | Cyrael | 'self' is much more important. |
| 14:18.17 | End | yes |
| 14:18.38 | End | the blizzard code sets this before jumping into the script |
| 14:18.40 | Corrodias | which would make sense: the 'this' usage i mentioned was in EnhTooltip, the helper of Auctioneer |
| 14:18.43 | Cyrael | I have a sneaking suspicion that 'this' doesn't exist in standard Lua. |
| 14:18.56 | End | I don't think this does |
| 14:19.06 | Cyrael | In which case, Blizzard always defines it. |
| 14:19.08 | Corrodias | i understand now that 'this' was the item's icon in your inventory, as the thing activated on mouseover |
| 14:19.36 | Cyrael | That explains it, then. |
| 14:19.42 | Cyrael | 'this' is a Blizzard created variable. |
| 14:19.46 | End | yup |
| 14:20.08 | Cyrael | See if you can find it on the global namespace. |
| 14:20.09 | Legorol | anyone happen to know how i can join out-of-zone city channels now with the new linked system? |
| 14:20.21 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.34 | Legorol | "this" is a variable name that Blizzard uses, as a matter of convention, to reference the XML element whose event handler was just called |
| 14:20.34 | Corrodias | see if i can find it..? |
| 14:20.37 | Cyrael | gns = getfenv(0); message(gns.this); |
| 14:20.44 | Legorol | that will return non-nil |
| 14:20.50 | Cyrael | Sorry. |
| 14:20.55 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.56 | Cyrael | gns = getfenv(0); message(type(gns.this)); |
| 14:21.10 | Legorol | Cairenn, i know that, i am wondering hwo to join the linked LFG chan when i'm not in a city |
| 14:21.10 | Corrodias | result: "table" |
| 14:21.14 | Legorol | yep |
| 14:21.15 | End | Cairenn: don't forget general either |
| 14:21.23 | End | you don't |
| 14:21.25 | Legorol | and it should be the editbox if you typed that in chat |
| 14:21.25 | Cyrael | There you go. 'this' is a false keyword. |
| 14:21.30 | End | it's called LookingForGroup - City |
| 14:21.32 | Legorol | false keyword? |
| 14:21.35 | Legorol | it's not a keyword |
| 14:21.37 | Corrodias | you can no longer join out of zone channels as i understand |
| 14:21.41 | Legorol | :(( |
| 14:21.46 | Cyrael | That's my point, Legorol. |
| 14:22.02 | End | this is just a variable |
| 14:22.16 | Cyrael | It's a Blizzard variable, though. It doesn't exist in normal Lua. |
| 14:22.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.21 | End | set by the game client before jumping into a script |
| 14:22.23 | End | it isn't?? |
| 14:22.24 | End | weird |
| 14:22.29 | Corrodias | so you can use 'this', if you want, to reference the frame of yours whose onevent was called |
| 14:22.37 | End | I thought it was |
| 14:22.41 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.45 | Cyrael | It will reference the last frame that triggered an event. |
| 14:22.50 | Legorol | it's not any more or less special than any other global variable added to the global namespace by the UI engine |
| 14:22.59 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.09 | Cyrael | It's not a language feature, Legorol. 'self' is. |
| 14:23.14 | Corrodias | so, does it reference the frame CAUGHT the event or not? |
| 14:23.20 | Legorol | self is not a language feature either |
| 14:23.25 | Cyrael | Yes it is. |
| 14:23.25 | Corrodias | *that caught |
| 14:23.30 | Legorol | Cyrael, self is a convention |
| 14:23.38 | End | it's just a bit of sugar |
| 14:23.45 | Cyrael | Lua's interpreter automatically inserts it into a : operated function. It's a language feature. |
| 14:23.52 | Legorol | the use of the word "self" to refer to the first argument of an object:function() type declaration is a convention, nto a language feature |
| 14:23.58 | Cyrael | 'this' comes from Blizzard, not Lua. |
| 14:24.06 | Legorol | that's correct |
| 14:24.19 | Legorol | oops yeah my bad, self does get inserted like that |
| 14:24.23 | End | Legorol: if you -define- it as object:function()m the....ya |
| 14:24.26 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.32 | End | Cairenn: oh, ok |
| 14:24.44 | Corrodias | if you're on the alliance side, but who plays them anyway? |
| 14:24.44 | End | Cairenn: I guess I automatically assumed General was too |
| 14:24.54 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.58 | purl | from memory, assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): make an ass of you and make an ass of me |
| 14:25.10 | End | ~thursday |
| 14:25.12 | purl | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent) |
| 14:25.12 | Corrodias | they should make everyone join horde's General - The Barrens no matter where they are |
| 14:25.13 | Cyrael | I'm already dreading LFG on a busy day on a busy server. |
| 14:25.27 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.36 | End | ah, hehe |
| 14:25.49 | Corrodias | well, come on, who LFG's in thunder bluff or undercity? |
| 14:25.52 | Corrodias | at least, before 1.9 |
| 14:26.01 | Cyrael | Stormwind and Ironforge are both heavy, though. |
| 14:26.15 | Corrodias | that could be scary. |
| 14:26.23 | Corrodias | but maybe the groups will find each other now :D |
| 14:26.38 | Cyrael | Maybe I'll turn the channel off because I can't see anything else =P |
| 14:27.16 | Corrodias | i'll miss being able to listen to Barrens chat from anywhere |
| 14:28.32 | End | hmm, the lua C api is pretty well documented |
| 14:28.50 | Corrodias | okay, my one quick question has only taken 55 minutes or so to answer completely |
| 14:28.55 | Cyrael | It has to be. Everything that isn't a language feature is written as a C extension. |
| 14:29.03 | Cyrael | All of the string library functions are a C extension. |
| 14:30.15 | End | yeah |
| 14:30.34 | Cyrael | C and Lua work well together. |
| 14:31.09 | Corrodias | -now- i'll go to bed. 'ni |
| 14:31.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.28 | Cyrael | Night =) |
| 14:31.42 | End | night |
| 14:33.14 | Cyrael | Is anyone familiar with action button indexing? I vaguely recall there used to be a numeric limit, but with Blizzard's extra button bars, I expect that changed. It's been a year since I touched them last so I'm not up to date on it. |
| 14:33.36 | End | somewhat |
| 14:33.40 | End | I think it's like 120 |
| 14:33.50 | End | maybe 144 |
| 14:34.18 | Cyrael | Do the indexes still share across weird buttons, like pet commands and special actions (auras, stances, etc)? |
| 14:34.53 | End | I'm pretty sure pet commands and special actions get their own numbers |
| 14:35.03 | Corrodias | you have 6 action bars, one shapeshift bar, one pet bar... |
| 14:35.30 | Cyrael | Sounds good. My current character is a mage, and I really need to extend my buttons. |
| 14:35.33 | Cide | they are still numeric indexes |
| 14:35.33 | Corrodias | i'd better stay out of this one |
| 14:35.45 | Cyrael | Go to bed already, Corrodias. |
| 14:36.09 | Corrodias | i use Aspected now, which puts hunter aspects priest shadow form, and etc on the shapeshift bar and moves the pet bar to the right side |
| 14:36.17 | End | hmmmm |
| 14:37.06 | Corrodias | 2nd try: i now use Aspected, which puts hunter aspects, priest shadow form, and shaman ghost wolf form on the shapeshift bar and moves the pet bar to the right side |
| 14:37.31 | Cyrael | I'm way late for bed myself, if I'm going to be doing an exam in the morning. Thanks for the conversation, folks. Helped me clear my head on the OO stuff nicely =) |
| 14:37.47 | Corrodias | 'ni. and actually [away] myself |
| 14:38.15 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.29 | Ktron|zzz | If I believe Flexbar, which I do, it's 120 buttons and some of them overlap, and there are 96 which never overlap. |
| 14:39.20 | Ktron|zzz | which is the 8 pages of action bars? I believme? |
| 14:39.23 | Ktron|zzz | *believe |
| 14:40.01 | End | yea, that'd make sense |
| 14:40.51 | Ktron|zzz | Actually, if you read the flexbar docs you can even find out what buttons in their numbering system are used for stances or other things |
| 14:41.12 | Ktron|zzz | I think it's like 72-75 for warriors, and 73 is stealth, and stuff like that, but I'm not positive |
| 14:42.35 | End | hmm |
| 14:43.36 | End | well, on my druid I noticed it filled up a bars worth probably around for bear, then an apparently empty one, and then another filled one for cat |
| 14:43.45 | End | er, s/probably around// |
| 14:46.05 | Ktron|zzz | I bet if you poke around http://www.flexbarforums.com/blog/docs/ or the forums there, you'll find what number ranges if you're interested |
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| 14:46.25 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.41 | zeeg | ahh perfect |
| 14:46.42 | zeeg | Cairenn |
| 14:46.49 | zeeg | do you have any way to talk to Dolby *right now* ? |
| 14:46.49 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.51 | Ktron|zzz | I started the math the other day to work out other 'placing' schemes for groups for flexbar too... hey zeeg |
| 14:47.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.11 | Kalroth | zeeg zuckz! |
| 14:47.14 | zeeg | hrm |
| 14:47.19 | zeeg | can you tell me when he wakes up? |
| 14:47.25 | zeeg | I wanna know if he can go live with WGP links today |
| 14:47.32 | zeeg | and we can worry about the list when he's got more time |
| 14:47.58 | Cairenn | I'll ask him to get in touch with you |
| 14:48.15 | End | hmm |
| 14:48.22 | zeeg | thanks, urgent thing :) |
| 14:48.26 | Cairenn | although I haven't been asleep yet myself, I'm just waiting for someone else to wake up, so I can pass out |
| 14:48.30 | zeeg | i havent either |
| 14:48.31 | zeeg | lol |
| 14:48.38 | zeeg | patch hasnt let me get any work done |
| 14:48.51 | zeeg | Anyone here who isnt busy |
| 14:49.00 | zeeg | wander around here: http://www.wowguru.com/ui-new/ - and tell me if you see anything .. strange or not working |
| 14:49.02 | Cairenn | I'll ask him to post in the multi-site forum when he's awake, okay? |
| 14:49.05 | zeeg | ignore the categories |
| 14:49.10 | zeeg | Cairenn, perfect, thanks |
| 14:49.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.16 | Ktron|zzz | Cairenn, you haven't slept since last night? |
| 14:51.27 | Cairenn | whenever it was, yeah |
| 14:52.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@24.129.136.26) |
| 14:52.09 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 14:52.31 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.12 | Kalroth | lol |
| 14:53.21 | Cairenn | heh, I'm serious |
| 14:53.41 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.49 | Kalroth | "GOTOBED!" |
| 14:53.59 | Beladona | ?? |
| 14:53.59 | Cairenn | yup, that was the one |
| 14:54.13 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 14:54.16 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.27 | Kalroth | Cairenn: I'd try with more booze! |
| 14:54.40 | Kalroth | If you can't sleep after a bootle of whiskey, then you weren't tired to begin with |
| 14:54.44 | Kalroth | bootle? |
| 14:54.55 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:55.27 | Kalroth | someone tell thott that image server 61 is poop :) |
| 14:55.50 | Cairenn | ROFL, finally, someone with a good one for the stress relief thread! |
| 14:55.59 | Beladona | no need to explain |
| 14:56.03 | Beladona | I know what you are talking about |
| 14:56.08 | Cairenn | no you don't |
| 14:56.09 | Cairenn | hush |
| 14:56.16 | Ktron | discordmods got pwned |
| 14:56.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.30 | Beladona | but then, I fall victim to the same thing weekly |
| 14:56.40 | Kalroth | haha |
| 14:56.43 | Osagasu | Oh look, there's a new proper version of Titan Panel out |
| 14:56.50 | Beladona | nuh uh! |
| 14:56.52 | Beladona | link me |
| 14:56.55 | Kalroth | 2.09 works fine for me? |
| 14:57.04 | Beladona | official? |
| 14:57.08 | Beladona | not third party hacked? |
| 14:57.10 | Osagasu | Honor+ and Titan Rider are broked |
| 14:57.13 | End | damn stubs |
| 14:57.14 | Osagasu | official |
| 14:57.17 | Osagasu | By Asterdor |
| 14:57.26 | Kalroth | rider works for me, but honor+ is b0rked |
| 14:57.35 | Osagasu | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1442 |
| 14:57.51 | End | I didn't like honor+ to start with, I couldn't make it not autojoin me into battlegrounds |
| 14:58.12 | Ktron | you know what would make wowi have the infinitely best set up ever? allow registered users to make a 'favorites' list of mods and get email notifications when they update |
| 14:58.21 | Beladona | um |
| 14:58.24 | Beladona | they do already? |
| 14:58.27 | End | lol |
| 14:58.28 | Beladona | ..... |
| 14:58.28 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 14:58.33 | Corrodias | use Titan Panel 1.25 |
| 14:58.40 | Corrodias | it roxorz. |
| 14:58.50 | Kalroth | Ktron: pwned! |
| 14:58.58 | Beladona | hey Osa, that isn't the official version |
| 14:59.01 | Osagasu | Corr, noob |
| 14:59.10 | Beladona | its still someone else who rewrite it |
| 14:59.20 | Osagasu | According to Curse it is. He even posts under TitanMod now |
| 14:59.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.00 | Beladona | in the description he makes it sound as though he was a longtime user of TitanMod and wanted one that had two abrs |
| 15:00.06 | Beladona | bars |
| 15:00.13 | Cairenn | our version is so old I've got it in the outdated mods cat |
| 15:00.18 | Beladona | he may have taken over development |
| 15:00.31 | Beladona | but the original mod has not been updated in like 6 patches |
| 15:00.52 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.07 | Beladona | ~smack Ktron |
| 15:01.09 | purl | ACTION smacks Ktron upside the head. |
| 15:01.32 | Cairenn | and you can choose whether you get email notifications or not, as well as a notice on the front page of the site whenever you visit, in the left hand column |
| 15:02.02 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.02 | Ktron | it's like 10am here... I went to bed at 3am... I should have you know, checked first or something, you people are naturally ahead of me in the thinking game |
| 15:02.08 | Ktron | by, you know, months. |
| 15:02.37 | Osagasu | I don't love you. |
| 15:02.50 | Osagasu | :P |
| 15:03.29 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.31 | purl | ACTION bonks Osagasu over the head |
| 15:03.46 | Osagasu | Hey, I'm HIDING Purl! |
| 15:05.15 | Cairenn | Beladona ? |
| 15:05.19 | Beladona | yes |
| 15:05.29 | Beladona | sorry had 2 terminal sessions going so missed your ping |
| 15:05.34 | Cairenn | no worries |
| 15:05.35 | Cairenn | PM |
| 15:05.38 | Beladona | kk |
| 15:05.40 | Cairenn | (here) |
| 15:06.05 | Ktron | purl must have tracking Osagasu |
| 15:06.17 | End | hmm, I'm losing usefulness |
| 15:06.18 | Osagasu | I have Aspect of the Beast on |
| 15:06.26 | End | I need to get more sleep at night |
| 15:06.40 | End | my initial 20 minutes of wakeness has gone away |
| 15:06.45 | Osagasu | You were ever useful? :O |
| 15:06.51 | End | YES! just one time |
| 15:06.55 | Osagasu | Usefullness is lame. be like me! |
| 15:07.13 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.14 | purl | yay! |
| 15:07.21 | End | ~sleep |
| 15:07.22 | purl | i guess sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 15:07.32 | Osagasu | ~caffeine |
| 15:07.33 | purl | caffeine is, like, the nectar of the gods in concentrated form or the jiuce which runs through our veins |
| 15:07.33 | End | purl speak truth, so brb |
| 15:07.50 | Osagasu | No, that's sweet tea. |
| 15:08.07 | Osagasu | Proper sweet tea = AMBROSIA! |
| 15:09.35 | Ktron | hm, caffeinated tea actually sounds like a wonderful idea |
| 15:10.53 | Osagasu | ...Tea IS Caffeinated. Y'know, naturally? |
| 15:11.59 | Ktron | yeah, but around my house the normal stuff is harder to find than the decaf kind. |
| 15:12.47 | Osagasu | I suppose now is a good time for a . . . |
| 15:12.53 | Osagasu | so... |
| 15:12.54 | Osagasu | . . . |
| 15:12.59 | End | SPOONS? |
| 15:13.22 | Osagasu | . . . |
| 15:13.31 | Osagasu | I'm going to go get breakfast. |
| 15:14.01 | End | k, have fun |
| 15:14.05 | End | and stuff |
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| 15:14.36 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.49 | End | k, have fun |
| 15:14.51 | End | and stuff |
| 15:14.58 | [MoonWolf] | night |
| 15:15.04 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.11 | [MoonWolf] | ~mornings |
| 15:15.12 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 15:15.37 | End | I agree completely with that site. |
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| 15:16.12 | End | unfortunately, the solution is not found |
| 15:16.39 | Beladona | I am sure that is on purpose |
| 15:16.44 | Beladona | =P |
| 15:17.07 | Elkano | good (whatever) :) |
| 15:17.18 | Cairenn|sleep | ~ugt |
| 15:17.22 | purl | i heard ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 15:17.26 | End | you mean you can't destroy mornings? |
| 15:17.31 | [MoonWolf] | no |
| 15:17.41 | [MoonWolf] | It cannot be done. |
| 15:17.44 | End | >:( |
| 15:18.00 | End | DEATH BE TO MORNING |
| 15:18.33 | End | morning...how ironic, it almost sounds like...HELLISH TIME PLACE THINGY |
| 15:20.43 | Ktron | mm tea |
| 15:20.53 | [MoonWolf] | mmm energy drink / redbull ripoff |
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| 15:37.14 | id` | hehe |
| 15:37.32 | id` | and taurine >_> |
| 15:37.38 | [MoonWolf] | Bullit and golden power FTW! |
| 15:38.00 | GenNMX | Hmmm, is there a function which can convert a string with whitespace into a table of strings without whitespace? |
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| 15:38.40 | id` | moon, yes :D |
| 15:38.44 | [MoonWolf] | normally you would be looking at a string.split string.spice or something like that. |
| 15:38.57 | id` | albert heijn energy drink is gross, btw |
| 15:38.57 | [MoonWolf] | however for lua i have no info on string libs |
| 15:39.06 | [MoonWolf] | ALDI! |
| 15:39.06 | GenNMX | string.splice? :D |
| 15:39.13 | GenNMX | Mmm, that's a spicy string! |
| 15:39.17 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 15:39.19 | [MoonWolf] | my bad |
| 15:39.21 | [MoonWolf] | funny though |
| 15:39.40 | Ktron | heh, string.splice probably adds in caps and numbers |
| 15:39.45 | Ktron | and some '!'s |
| 15:40.10 | GenNMX | string.splice or string.split isn't in the Lua manual |
| 15:40.31 | id` | then read again what moon said |
| 15:40.31 | id` | :p |
| 15:40.55 | zeeg | gah this is more work than I thought |
| 15:41.23 | GenNMX | Lemme see if it's in AceUtils...otherwise, I'll have to make my own |
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| 15:42.18 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 15:42.23 | Kaelten | ello |
| 15:42.28 | End | HELO |
| 15:42.29 | [MoonWolf] | greetings keal |
| 15:42.32 | id` | eh, doesnt unpack do that? |
| 15:42.34 | [MoonWolf] | kael* |
| 15:42.35 | id` | unpack() |
| 15:43.06 | Kaelten | anyone seen any issues with Ace 1.3 rc3? |
| 15:43.14 | End | unpack() doesn't deal with strings |
| 15:43.19 | id` | oh ok |
| 15:43.22 | GenNMX | unpack is for tables, yeah |
| 15:43.39 | End | unpack() is for turning tables into...whatyacallemsitstooearlyinthemorningthingies |
| 15:43.59 | GenNMX | unpack turns tables into seperate variables |
| 15:44.05 | End | or you could put it that way |
| 15:44.51 | zeeg | does anyone here have a file thats *not* hosted at wwoguru currently? |
| 15:44.52 | zeeg | *wowguru |
| 15:44.58 | Iriel | me |
| 15:45.01 | Iriel | lots of them |
| 15:46.05 | zeeg | err wtf |
| 15:46.06 | zeeg | one sec |
| 15:46.24 | Iriel | Unless they're hosted without me knowing about them |
| 15:46.32 | Iriel | which is entirely possible |
| 15:47.05 | zeeg | probably n ot |
| 15:47.09 | zeeg | ok Iriel |
| 15:47.10 | zeeg | foreach ($cat_list[$r['cat_id']] as $sr) |
| 15:47.10 | zeeg | { |
| 15:47.11 | zeeg | err |
| 15:47.13 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/ui-new/submit/ |
| 15:47.15 | zeeg | can you try uploading? |
| 15:47.23 | zeeg | need to make sure the form is still working w/ all the changes |
| 15:49.14 | zeeg | if that works i think im ready to move over |
| 15:49.22 | zeeg | i better make sure screenshots still work |
| 15:49.40 | Iriel | If you want some UI feedback... Name should probably be 'Addon Name' |
| 15:49.56 | zeeg | nope they dont show yet |
| 15:50.03 | zeeg | Iriel, some aren't addons though, they're tools |
| 15:50.07 | zeeg | ill make it file name |
| 15:50.16 | Iriel | Filename is bad also though |
| 15:50.19 | zeeg | hrm |
| 15:50.21 | Iriel | Since that's the next line |
| 15:50.27 | Iriel | Tool/AddOn Name ? |
| 15:50.41 | Iriel | I think Special Case needs more description too |
| 15:50.46 | zeeg | done |
| 15:51.18 | Iriel | The submission confirmation page is misaligned in mozilla |
| 15:51.33 | zeeg | If this is <strong>not</strong> an AddOn or includes an executable tick this box. |
| 15:51.34 | zeeg | better? |
| 15:51.50 | zeeg | ooops ill update the html |
| 15:52.22 | Beladona | Iriel, you checked your addons on wowi today? |
| 15:53.11 | Iriel | Beladona : No, do I need to? |
| 15:53.28 | zeeg | ok fixed problems, dont submit anything else anyone |
| 15:53.36 | zeeg | well you can submit |
| 15:53.42 | zeeg | but i wont list it atm as my admin tools aren't updated yet |
| 15:54.04 | Beladona | I think you should |
| 15:54.06 | Beladona | =P |
| 15:57.13 | Iriel | Beladona : Ominous. |
| 15:57.57 | Beladona | hehe |
| 15:58.09 | Iriel | Hey now. |
| 15:58.13 | Beladona | Cair picked the name, so let her know if you want something else |
| 16:00.05 | zeeg | do I get one |
| 16:00.15 | zeeg | How about "Too Hot" |
| 16:00.16 | zeeg | or |
| 16:00.17 | zeeg | uh |
| 16:00.19 | zeeg | Uber |
| 16:00.48 | Iriel | Zeegarific? |
| 16:01.46 | Iriel | Meeting time |
| 16:10.55 | Elkano | hmm, just noticed that I'll get to free days since a few of our servers were down until about 4h ago... |
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| 16:16.01 | End | hrmmm |
| 16:16.06 | zeeg | k all set i think |
| 16:17.33 | Ktron | Anyone know if Guillotine's mod to make \n's start a new message would do what I expect if I entered 'hello\n/em bow' or such? |
| 16:18.06 | [MoonWolf] | ktron enter it and you know |
| 16:18.18 | [MoonWolf] | think it should work though |
| 16:18.40 | Ktron | heh, I haven't downloaded the addon yet heh, but I'm hoping to find an addon with that functionality heh |
| 16:20.16 | GenNMX | Does anyone have any saved Combat Log texts? |
| 16:24.56 | zeeg | New UI section is live on wowguru |
| 16:25.50 | zeeg | 10:27a | <wowguru> The new UI section is live on WoW Guru - If you have a mod hosted there please update the category via the admin, if you have links to mods hosted please note the new links. (zeeg) |
| 16:25.52 | zeeg | there |
| 16:46.23 | Beladona | brb |
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| 16:51.50 | Kaelten | wowinterface down? |
| 16:52.10 | [MoonWolf] | again ? |
| 16:53.29 | Kaelten | not sure, I can't seem to connect |
| 16:54.17 | [MoonWolf] | same here |
| 16:54.22 | [MoonWolf] | responding to ping though |
| 16:55.17 | Kaelten | apache probably is lagging |
| 16:56.42 | zeeg | Kaelten, any chance I could get Ace to adopt the WGP stuff? |
| 17:01.56 | Kaelten | hmm? |
| 17:01.59 | Kaelten | what you mean? |
| 17:02.00 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/wgp/ |
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| 17:02.02 | zeeg | read over that |
| 17:02.05 | Kaelten | how would ace adopt that? |
| 17:02.19 | zeeg | the host/download sites part |
| 17:02.37 | Kaelten | well we don't actually host files at the moment |
| 17:02.49 | zeeg | oh |
| 17:03.06 | Kaelten | if we ever actually host files I'll look into it. |
| 17:03.14 | zeeg | k |
| 17:05.44 | Elkano | hmmm Iriel, was your API changes thread removed? |
| 17:07.41 | Elkano | ah, forget the question, found it :) |
| 17:10.14 | zeeg | gr |
| 17:10.25 | zeeg | wowinterface goes down, wowguru gets hammered |
| 17:10.26 | zeeg | lol |
| 17:10.56 | zeeg | The site is only for ui.worldofwar.net site supporters and authors. |
| 17:10.56 | zeeg | The site is currently only open to site supporters and authors. While the patch madness contnues it's important that authors can get their files into the system. |
| 17:10.56 | zeeg | Our Mb/s on the network was being overloaded so we have to make sure everything is |
| 17:10.56 | zeeg | balanced by restricting access temporarily. The site will return to normal soon for everyone. |
| 17:10.56 | zeeg | You can join the supports scheme via this link |
| 17:10.58 | zeeg | wow |
| 17:11.07 | zeeg | thats harsh |
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| 17:15.26 | futr-sleep | you only need to get a membership |
| 17:15.34 | futr-sleep | you don't need to pay |
| 17:17.12 | zeeg | o |
| 17:17.43 | Elkano | but wow, I haven't been online for mor then a hour since 1.9 wnt live but my cache now holds about 2.5k items... cool :) |
| 17:18.37 | Elkano | oh, luckily I am an ui.wowar author ;) |
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| 17:19.52 | Maldivia | heya zeeg |
| 17:20.56 | zeeg | we're getting the AQ world event status up here in an hour or so hopefully |
| 17:22.25 | Maldivia | you added it to the collector addon ? |
| 17:22.39 | zeeg | not yet, the lua guys finishing it up atm |
| 17:24.07 | zeeg | wow they ran through each transaction since dec 22nd |
| 17:24.15 | zeeg | "i need to verify.." |
| 17:24.17 | zeeg | :| |
| 17:25.21 | Maldivia | shouldn't take long :) |
| 17:25.27 | Maldivia | to make, that is :) |
| 17:26.06 | zeeg | ya |
| 17:26.28 | zeeg | hrm |
| 17:26.34 | zeeg | wowguru's load is back to normal, that was strange |
| 17:26.56 | zeeg | i need to force registration.. on something |
| 17:27.02 | zeeg | 2000 guests just isnt attractive |
| 17:27.58 | Maldivia | heheh |
| 17:28.24 | Maldivia | personally - I hate sites where you have to register... |
| 17:28.32 | zeeg | me too |
| 17:28.41 | zeeg | the one day i forced registration for patch download |
| 17:28.43 | zeeg | i gained like 8k users |
| 17:28.44 | zeeg | lol |
| 17:28.48 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 17:29.42 | Maldivia | the "New Forum Posts" on the frost page - how often are those updateD? |
| 17:29.57 | GenNMX | There has to be an easy way to splice "<name> .. hits .. <target> .. for .. <damage>." into seperate variables. Hmm... |
| 17:30.16 | zeeg | this is retarded |
| 17:30.20 | zeeg | i refuse to pay to access worldofwar.net |
| 17:30.24 | zeeg | they have ads up the asshole |
| 17:30.25 | zeeg | get more servers |
| 17:30.45 | Maldivia | GenNMX: something like: _,_,name,target,damage = string.find(str, "(.-) hits (.-) for (.-) damage"); |
| 17:30.52 | zeeg | Maldivia, 15 mins |
| 17:31.25 | GenNMX | Yeah dammit, I paid $0 to get access to worldofwar.net initially, and I want my money's worth!!! |
| 17:31.26 | Maldivia | ok |
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| 17:31.44 | zeeg | GenNMX, they're a company, this is how shit works |
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| 17:31.58 | zeeg | if they weren't a for-profit company i wouldnt care |
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| 17:32.07 | Tain | I refuse to go to a website run by hypocrites too. |
| 17:32.23 | zeeg | Tain, didnt you learn last time? |
| 17:32.35 | Tain | Yeah, I don't go to your site anymore. :D |
| 17:32.48 | zeeg | Tain, i meant stop causing trouble |
| 17:32.49 | GenNMX | Maldivia: Ahhh, didn't read where find could return multiple captures, thanks |
| 17:33.22 | Tain | I'm just playing everyone's favorite game. Hungry Hungry Hypocrites! |
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| 17:33.51 | zeeg | Except I'm far from a hypocrite, and you really need to follow the channel rules. |
| 17:34.23 | Tain | Oh are you back? Didn't see you there. |
| 17:34.42 | Iriel | Guys, take it to private messages, or quit it, please. |
| 17:35.05 | Natasem | sigh.... why do people post things like this: |
| 17:35.06 | Natasem | Telo, most likely this is due to the global scaling problem, but QuickLoot targets the upper right corner of the loot box now instead of the loot itself. |
| 17:35.07 | Natasem | EDIT: I didn't have the latest version. It works, thanks! |
| 17:35.13 | Natasem | why don't they just delete their post ??? |
| 17:36.05 | Maldivia | Rule number 1: users are stupid |
| 17:36.06 | Maldivia | :) |
| 17:36.13 | futr-sleep | it's there mark, their "I was here" |
| 17:36.27 | futr-sleep | there=their |
| 17:37.05 | Natasem | their "mark" makes then look like idiots |
| 17:37.11 | futr-sleep | or perhaps their "I tried to help but I'm stupid" post |
| 17:37.28 | futr-sleep | agreed Natasem |
| 17:37.58 | Maldivia | people should also learn to check if what they are about to post has already been posted |
| 17:38.09 | Natasem | and this Teddyfate is one of the most stupid. obviously he doesn't know how to read |
| 17:38.21 | Maldivia | looking at the UI forums... and 3 posts on the front page about DAB3 binding problems... |
| 17:38.40 | Natasem | i am refering to this thread http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=289432 |
| 17:39.43 | Natasem | he keeps posting xxx items isn't working crap, when Cair stated in the OP: Please note, this thread is for authors/site admins to list what mods are updated and where to get them. It isn't for spamming with "has this been updated yet?!?!" |
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| 17:40.16 | zeeg | I get "has this been updated yet?" on my honor ranks all the time, right after they check to see its not updated they ask the question |
| 17:40.20 | GenNMX | Maldivia: _,_,target,damage=(msg, "You hit (.-) for (.-).") <-- This correctly captures the target, but not the damage |
| 17:41.10 | Maldivia | try ".... for (.-)%." |
| 17:41.26 | GenNMX | Ah, need to escape periods? |
| 17:41.30 | Maldivia | yes |
| 17:41.33 | Maldivia | period = any cha |
| 17:41.35 | Maldivia | char* |
| 17:41.54 | GenNMX | Yeah now it works, thanks |
| 17:42.30 | futr-sleep | why not use (%d+) since it is a number |
| 17:43.08 | futr-sleep | and (%S+) for the name |
| 17:44.02 | Elkano | btw: better use modifications of Blizzard's global strings. you won't have to localize then :) |
| 17:44.40 | GenNMX | ooo, global strings? I'm just using CHAT_MSG_SELF_HITS, etc. |
| 17:44.48 | GenNMX | I know they are localized. |
| 17:45.10 | futr-sleep | problem is that the German at least uses different special char things than french and english |
| 17:46.20 | Maldivia | futr-sleep: %S captures what? |
| 17:47.29 | GenNMX | Wait, can I just replace (.-) with (%S+) and (%d+)? Since I'm getting errors. |
| 17:47.44 | Maldivia | depends what you want to capture |
| 17:48.06 | Maldivia | (.-) = anything... (%d+) = only numbers |
| 17:48.35 | Maldivia | and can't remember what %S is .) |
| 17:48.45 | Elkano | GenNMX, you've got me wrong. There is a global string containing "You hit %s for %d." |
| 17:49.21 | Maldivia | replace %s with (.-) or (%S+) and %d with (%d+) |
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| 17:49.47 | Elkano | that would make it the pattern for string.find, yes :) |
| 17:50.06 | Iriel | Elkano : You do have to write some code to create patterns out of the blizzard things tho |
| 17:50.13 | GenNMX | Elkano: Know where I can find info on these strings? |
| 17:50.21 | Iriel | Elkano : Which ends up non-trivial |
| 17:50.36 | Maldivia | ahh %S is non-space chars... |
| 17:50.46 | Elkano | FrameXML/globalstrings.lua |
| 17:50.56 | Maldivia | then you wont capture: You hit Angry Bear for 23. |
| 17:51.16 | Iriel | (.-) is by far the best way to capture strings |
| 17:51.24 | Iriel | unless you know for sure they can never contain spaces |
| 17:51.41 | Maldivia | and it's a cute smiley aswell :) |
| 17:51.51 | GenNMX | Elkano: Thanks |
| 17:52.02 | Iriel | Though you always need to have something AFTER the .- to anchor it |
| 17:52.04 | Elkano | you can do eg: string.gsub(skilltemplate, "%%s", "%(%.%+%)"); |
| 17:52.26 | Iriel | That wont work |
| 17:52.37 | Iriel | You've over-escaped |
| 17:52.46 | Iriel | It'd be "%%s", "(.+)" |
| 17:52.51 | Elkano | well, I did this when I tried do create a working German version of lootlink |
| 17:53.12 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.13 | Iriel | this is what i have so far that works half |
| 17:53.13 | Iriel | It targets but won't cast. |
| 17:53.19 | Iriel | Oops, sorry |
| 17:53.19 | Maldivia | no need to escape the replace-with string :) |
| 17:53.21 | Iriel | cut and paste 8-) |
| 17:53.47 | Iriel | (I.e. that wasn't my question, I had a forum post in my cut buffer) |
| 17:53.54 | Maldivia | hehe.. |
| 17:54.11 | Maldivia | I was also... hmm... you can't make that macro - but you can make stat rings etc :) |
| 17:54.15 | GenNMX | Elkano: So GlobalStrings.lua is localized, right? |
| 17:54.19 | Iriel | Yes |
| 17:54.20 | Maldivia | correct |
| 17:54.24 | Elkano | yes |
| 17:54.28 | GenNMX | Gotcha, that'll make things 90% easier |
| 17:55.15 | Elkano | but for some reason, instead of simply using %s they use %1$s, %2$s and so on for the German client :/ |
| 17:55.38 | Maldivia | Iriel: do you know if there's a thread about 1.9 UI bugs, to post in ? |
| 17:55.38 | GenNMX | Hello, CHAT_COMBAT_SELF_MISSES_GET = "" |
| 17:56.11 | Maldivia | Elkano: probably so they can set a different order |
| 17:56.18 | GenNMX | Ah, they named it something else |
| 17:58.01 | Iriel | Maldivia : Not exactly, if it's a serious bug, just make a thread about it.. if it's minor stick it in the 1.9 thread |
| 17:58.19 | Maldivia | it's the UnitHealth bug - annoys the crap out of me |
| 17:58.20 | Iriel | Elkano : Yeah, that's for ordering |
| 17:58.30 | Iriel | Hm? What bug is that? I haven't run into it yet |
| 17:58.43 | Maldivia | UnitHealth returns -100 or 65436 for dead players sometimes |
| 17:59.02 | Maldivia | (ie the same 16-bit number) |
| 17:59.02 | Iriel | Ah, strange. |
| 17:59.14 | Elkano | btw: I think you have to 'over-escape', since you could use %1, %2, ... to refere to captures |
| 17:59.57 | Maldivia | Elkano: you have to escape % - thats the only char you have to excape in the replace with string |
| 18:00.01 | Iriel | Elkano: Are you talking about your gsub? or string.format? |
| 18:00.12 | Elkano | gsub |
| 18:00.33 | Iriel | Then Maldivia's hit it on the nose |
| 18:00.58 | Maldivia | as long as it's not my nose! |
| 18:02.49 | Elkano | hmmm... but I'm almost sure it was working back then... well, nevermind :) |
| 18:03.04 | GenNMX | I can double-escape to replace regexp with gsub, like %%s, right? |
| 18:04.00 | GenNMX | Or does Lua adhere by '' for literals? |
| 18:04.28 | Iriel | Elkano : Actually it does work, I didn't expect it to. |
| 18:04.38 | Iriel | Elkano : But it's not necessary |
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| 18:13.33 | Kalroth_ | hej! |
| 18:13.44 | Kalroth_ | Anyone else getting some odd short freezes? |
| 18:13.50 | Maldivia | Hej :) |
| 18:13.59 | Kalroth_ | like half second freezes every 10-15 seconds |
| 18:14.26 | Iriel | Hm, GC issues? |
| 18:14.50 | Kalroth_ | I've got a guildmate that only had CTRA installed (nothing else) and he got the freezes |
| 18:14.58 | Kalroth_ | of course the slacker hasn't updated yet |
| 18:15.04 | Kalroth_ | so still using 1.45 |
| 18:15.19 | Ghent | Kal, there's a post on CTMod's site that there is known issues with previous versions |
| 18:15.31 | Ghent | he needs to go to 1.5 |
| 18:15.43 | Kalroth_ | okay, but I'm using 1.5 and I get 'em too :) |
| 18:15.50 | Ghent | when did you last update? |
| 18:15.55 | Ghent | the first 1.5 release still had the bug |
| 18:15.56 | Kalroth_ | loads of us are actually .. but that might be from another addon? |
| 18:15.58 | Ghent | they released another |
| 18:16.04 | Kalroth_ | oh, updated yesterday |
| 18:16.36 | Ghent | from ctmod.net: Update 2: We recently uploaded a patch that should fix some of the issues in CT_RaidAssist and some other mods. We have had some reports that CT_BarMod no longer keeps the buttons "glowy", and some saying the opposite, so it might or might not be fixed |
| 18:16.58 | Ghent | and more misc fixes |
| 18:17.01 | Kalroth_ | that's what causes the freezing? |
| 18:17.36 | Ghent | General Mod Changes |
| 18:17.36 | Ghent | - Fixed a major bug with CT_PartyBuffs and CTRA causing lag spikes |
| 18:17.51 | Kalroth_ | yup, that's probably it |
| 18:17.53 | Ghent | I'd download and test the latest release :) |
| 18:18.43 | Kalroth_ | will do, thanks :) |
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| 18:18.50 | Maldivia | now, when to expect a new version of CT_Viewport... :) |
| 18:19.14 | [MoonWolf] | one that does not screw up when UI is scaled. |
| 18:20.10 | Maldivia | ohh, dont have any problems with that - just annoyed about the UI error it gives, when you bring up the dialog... put apparently not annoyed enough to fix it myself :) |
| 18:25.45 | Maldivia | btw - anyone here with a Radeon gfx card, and a weird colored 1-pixel line at the top and the left of the WorldFrame ? |
| 18:26.34 | Beladona | no, but I have an nvidia card and I get it with some scales on the player frame when I am in an area with rest status |
| 18:27.03 | Beladona | try tweaking your scale, it seems to help sometimes |
| 18:27.15 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 18:27.26 | Maldivia | it's always around the WorldFrame... nothing else |
| 18:27.31 | Beladona | weird |
| 18:27.47 | digix | why did they jack with the scaling anyways? it screwed up a ton of stuff.... |
| 18:27.56 | Maldivia | because it's more logical now |
| 18:28.30 | futr-sleep | I like the new scaling system |
| 18:28.37 | Maldivia | me too |
| 18:28.49 | digix | more logical if you want EVERY aspect of your interface to scale with the slider in the stock options |
| 18:29.03 | digix | i liked each addon having more control over its own scale |
| 18:29.03 | futr-sleep | exactly |
| 18:29.06 | Beladona | personally I think that is the way it SHOULD be |
| 18:29.10 | GenNMX | Alright, I got half of this regexp conversion down... foo = string.gsub(COMBATHITSELFOTHER, "%%s.*%%d", "%(%.%-%).*%(d%+%)"), but it's adding the .* into the string |
| 18:29.14 | Maldivia | digix: they have |
| 18:29.22 | digix | besides, the fonts look like crap with the new scaling system |
| 18:29.29 | Iriel | You want this: |
| 18:29.32 | Maldivia | digix: also, it reduces the number of SetScale calls for addons A LOT :) |
| 18:29.39 | Beladona | aye |
| 18:29.50 | digix | true, and i know thats translated to increased performance |
| 18:29.56 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.26 | Beladona | it just makes sense in my mind that the config option scale should be global, while addon specific scale is local |
| 18:30.39 | GenNMX | Don't you have to escape () and +? |
| 18:31.01 | Maldivia | or do the %s and %d one at a time, then you can easily convert other combat-strings, if you want to parse more data |
| 18:31.34 | digix | Bela: i totally agree, but they certainly couldve done it more gracefully than it is.. it just seems very rough to me |
| 18:32.03 | Beladona | its not the scaling system at fault so much as the graphics being redered poorly at certain scales |
| 18:32.10 | Maldivia | have a function regex_to_gsub(str) return string.gsub(string.gsub(str, "%s", "(.-)"), "%d", "(%d+)"); end |
| 18:32.15 | GenNMX | Maldivia: Yeah, this is just for testing purposes |
| 18:32.33 | Maldivia | %s and %d :) |
| 18:32.47 | Maldivia | arghh.... %%s and %%d :) |
| 18:32.51 | Beladona | specifically I don't like how alpha is handled in respect to scaling |
| 18:32.52 | digix | then i guess Blizzard wants us all running very large interfaces cuz mine renders like crap when i get it as small as i want it |
| 18:32.59 | Maldivia | forgot about XChat's % escape :) |
| 18:33.36 | GenNMX | Heh, irssi shows %s as %s |
| 18:34.02 | Maldivia | xchat uses % as control char for color/styles |
| 18:34.05 | GenNMX | Ahhh, so you don't need to always escape with gsub replacements |
| 18:35.55 | GenNMX | Well this is certainly going to be fun..."absorbed" is not tagged while "blocked" is, wee |
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| 18:36.11 | [MoonWolf] | Is this a cedega bug or did the zoomout range get really large |
| 18:36.14 | Maldivia | Beladona: so, the line is a WoW UI bug - and not a gfx driver issue, I take it - since you say you had similar issues on nvidia? |
| 18:36.22 | Beladona | aye |
| 18:36.31 | Beladona | it has to do with scaling vs alpha |
| 18:36.56 | Maldivia | just weird I have it on the WorldFrame then |
| 18:36.56 | Beladona | never heard of your specific issue though |
| 18:37.06 | Beladona | you are using viewport though right? |
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| 18:37.29 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 18:37.38 | Maldivia | but it's not viewport that does it |
| 18:37.43 | Beladona | you sure? |
| 18:37.48 | Maldivia | tried to run a clean wow - still there |
| 18:37.57 | Beladona | can you post a screeny? |
| 18:38.11 | Maldivia | it |
| 18:38.26 | Maldivia | it's just a think 1-pixel line left and top of WorldFrame |
| 18:38.48 | Maldivia | but yes, seems to only be present when in resting areas |
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| 18:39.17 | kromix | hey guys... |
| 18:40.18 | kromix | any1 know if and when ui.worldofwar.net is gonna come back up? |
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| 18:40.43 | Beladona | Maldivia: sounds like same issue I had |
| 18:41.06 | Maldivia | Beladona: http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/line.jpg -- resized the WorldFrame so it was easier to see |
| 18:41.52 | Beladona | oh weird |
| 18:42.02 | Beladona | and it isn't there when not resting? |
| 18:42.57 | Maldivia | cant get it to show right now, when I'm outside of IF |
| 18:43.12 | Maldivia | inside IF, I can get it to change color if I turn the camera :) |
| 18:43.24 | Beladona | sounds like something involving the rested animation |
| 18:43.26 | Gryphen | worldofwar works here kromix |
| 18:43.51 | Maldivia | know the rested animation frame name off hand ? |
| 18:44.13 | Beladona | its part of PlayerFrame |
| 18:44.16 | Beladona | lemme look |
| 18:45.03 | kromix | it does gryphen? wtf! lol |
| 18:45.23 | Gryphen | been back up since last night for me |
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| 18:47.17 | Beladona | weird, gaim crashed |
| 18:47.24 | Maldivia | Beladona: hmm, nothing to do with Resting, I think |
| 18:47.43 | Maldivia | tried IsResting = function() return false; end -- still shows it inside IF |
| 18:47.50 | Beladona | try this |
| 18:48.05 | Beladona | PlayerRestGlow:Hide(); |
| 18:48.43 | Maldivia | didn't change anything |
| 18:48.45 | Beladona | hmm |
| 18:49.35 | Maldivia | I overwrote IsResting - so it should never be shown now... |
| 18:49.49 | Iriel | PlayerRestGlow:SetAlpha(0) |
| 18:49.51 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 18:49.52 | Kalroth_ | hrmf, still getting some odd freezes with the lastest CTRA, must be something else >< |
| 18:49.54 | Beladona | that too |
| 18:50.11 | Beladona | IsResting shouldn't affect that Maldivia |
| 18:50.42 | Maldivia | from PlayerFrame_UpdateStatus - IsResting is used to show/hide the textures |
| 18:51.45 | Beladona | the playerFrame uses an event call to update the status, but doesn't use IsResting never did this before 1.9? |
| 18:51.51 | Beladona | oops |
| 18:51.57 | Beladona | that was 2 messages |
| 18:52.10 | Beladona | did it do this before 1.9? |
| 18:52.30 | Maldivia | PLAYER_UPDATE_RESTING event triggers PlayerFrame_UpdateStatus - that check the return value of IsResting |
| 18:52.40 | Maldivia | but anyway - afk, have to get some dinner |
| 18:56.44 | Beladona | ~smack End |
| 18:56.46 | purl | ACTION smacks End upside the head. |
| 18:58.24 | [MoonWolf] | what did end to diserve that ? |
| 18:58.32 | Kalroth_ | poor End :( |
| 18:58.50 | [MoonWolf] | ~lart Beladona |
| 18:59.15 | [MoonWolf] | End has been avenged. |
| 18:59.32 | Beladona | he yawned |
| 18:59.43 | Beladona | it is a devastatingly infectious disease |
| 18:59.51 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 18:59.56 | [MoonWolf] | well, you have a point there |
| 19:00.23 | Beladona | it infects employed persons everywhere, and before you know it, the world comes to a halt |
| 19:01.15 | [MoonWolf] | It is end's fault! |
| 19:02.30 | Iriel | Has end somehow become responsible for all yawning in the world? |
| 19:02.45 | geo_sleep | yes |
| 19:11.24 | End | hmmm |
| 19:11.31 | End | apparently I was being abused |
| 19:12.13 | Beladona | it is only abuse when you don't enjoy it |
| 19:12.33 | End | well, I didn't enjoy it. But I didn't not enjoy it either. |
| 19:12.35 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 19:12.47 | End | mostly I was just looking at something else |
| 19:20.27 | [MoonWolf] | why for heavens sake are people complaining about the prices being higher now. |
| 19:20.34 | [MoonWolf] | ofcourse they are, suply and demand. |
| 19:20.38 | [MoonWolf] | dumbasses. |
| 19:26.24 | Beladona | yes? |
| 19:27.40 | Maldivia | was just puzzling a bit more over the weird line :) |
| 19:27.40 | Maldivia | I think I might know what it is... |
| 19:27.40 | Beladona | frosting? |
| 19:27.40 | Beladona | oh |
| 19:27.57 | Maldivia | think it's a bug with the full screen glow effect |
| 19:28.12 | Maldivia | because the line has the same color as the glow effect |
| 19:28.24 | Maldivia | or it might be, that my glow effect is fubar |
| 19:28.33 | Maldivia | because I just turned it on, and I now have an overlay-texture :) |
| 19:29.55 | Maldivia | wow... this is weird... |
| 19:31.29 | Maldivia | the glow effects are definatly screwed on my installation |
| 19:32.43 | Maldivia | enabled glow, and changed viewport: http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/glow.jpg |
| 19:34.28 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 19:34.36 | [MoonWolf] | i think this may be related to the scaling. |
| 19:35.24 | id` | hey i also have my bags there |
| 19:35.25 | id` | :> |
| 19:36.07 | [MoonWolf] | i use mybags and simply hide my bags completely |
| 19:36.10 | [MoonWolf] | much easyer |
| 19:36.16 | [MoonWolf] | if i need them i press b |
| 19:37.00 | Maldivia | I never use the icons to open bags - always just use b / shift-b |
| 19:37.39 | [MoonWolf] | see, now save some screenspace and hide the bags |
| 19:37.47 | id` | but you need them |
| 19:37.57 | id` | for swapping bags |
| 19:38.06 | [MoonWolf] | you show them when you swap bags |
| 19:38.14 | Maldivia | [MoonWolf]: I'm not using that screenspace anyway :) |
| 19:38.19 | [MoonWolf] | man how many times does a person swap bags to begin with. |
| 19:38.26 | [MoonWolf] | Maldivia, true |
| 19:38.33 | [MoonWolf] | start using it now. |
| 19:38.39 | id` | its part of the ui, i dont want a hackish way of dealing with it |
| 19:38.46 | [MoonWolf] | mybags |
| 19:38.49 | Maldivia | Everytime he/she gets the bag from Onyxia :) |
| 19:38.51 | [MoonWolf] | myinventory rather |
| 19:38.55 | id` | i use OneBag |
| 19:38.58 | [MoonWolf] | can display the bag bar in its bag frame |
| 19:39.31 | Maldivia | I like the default bags :) |
| 19:40.05 | [MoonWolf] | I though i liked the default bags, then i used advanced bags plus |
| 19:40.25 | [MoonWolf] | but they got to buggy and bloated, and i tried onebag thinking im never going to like this |
| 19:40.29 | [MoonWolf] | never looked back |
| 19:40.42 | [MoonWolf] | switched to myinventory later. |
| 19:41.02 | Maldivia | well, I like my 5 bags - know exactly what in which bag, and where :) |
| 19:41.28 | id` | what was the bag sorting addon again? |
| 19:41.29 | Beladona | Maldivia: it l9ooks like your glow effect is not getting scaled with the rest of the world frame |
| 19:41.29 | [MoonWolf] | the good thing is, i dont have to know in what bag something is because with one keypress i can see all of them. |
| 19:41.35 | [MoonWolf] | id`, invsort ? |
| 19:41.40 | id` | no, non ace |
| 19:41.51 | Maldivia | Beladona: yeah - gxRestart fixed that though :) |
| 19:41.53 | [MoonWolf] | enginventory |
| 19:41.56 | id` | ah yes |
| 19:41.56 | Beladona | cool |
| 19:41.58 | id` | *use* |
| 19:41.59 | [MoonWolf] | id`, buggy |
| 19:42.02 | id` | :| |
| 19:42.07 | Beladona | does it happen again though if you change the viewport? |
| 19:42.08 | [MoonWolf] | i used it for a while |
| 19:42.09 | id` | *not use* |
| 19:42.20 | Maldivia | Beladona: can't get it to happen again... tried :) |
| 19:42.21 | [MoonWolf] | good concept, bad implemantation buggy and bloated. |
| 19:42.33 | [MoonWolf] | thats why i am looking forward to invsort. |
| 19:42.34 | Beladona | strange bug then |
| 19:42.39 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.53 | id` | yeah im looking forward to invsort too |
| 19:43.02 | Maldivia | Beladona: I ported to Darn, switched on glow - and then the glow was "stuck" as a fixed texture - rescaled with viewport, glow still stucked |
| 19:43.17 | Maldivia | gcRestart - and it was gone |
| 19:43.31 | Maldivia | gx* |
| 19:44.36 | GenNMX | What's a good, simple set of button management tools that can do rows/columns and scaling? |
| 19:44.38 | Maldivia | Beladona: the fun is, the color of the line depends on where I am... in IF it's blue, orange around the great forge, in Darn mostly purple - hence the thought of the glow effect / ambient lighting - since they are those colors in those areas |
| 19:45.01 | id` | GenNMX: cardbars |
| 19:45.29 | GenNMX | id`: Cardbars have some bad bugs |
| 19:45.41 | id` | please do report them |
| 19:46.56 | GenNMX | id`: I did, in their thread on Wowace.com |
| 19:47.10 | id` | good :) |
| 19:48.01 | GenNMX | The mod-breaking bug for me is if I scale the buttons using Cardbars or Visor, and then attempt to shapeshift, those buttons are not scaled and have their positions all messed up. |
| 19:48.41 | id` | well i made this thingy for visor that makes bars |
| 19:48.45 | id` | of buttons |
| 19:49.07 | id` | but it requires a notepad'ish addon that can launch lua |
| 19:49.35 | id` | i use TinyPad: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4417 |
| 19:49.43 | GenNMX | Yeah, I was using my own bar/button management events through Visor, but 1.9 broke it |
| 19:49.59 | GenNMX | Broke the scaling, and broke the shapeshift events (which need to be caught and dealt with properly) |
| 19:50.23 | id` | i havent looked at 1.9 yet |
| 19:50.37 | id` | im trying to get to know wich of my oan addons are broken and fix those first |
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| 19:51.18 | GenNMX | I guess I'll just try to fix the rules for 1.9 |
| 19:51.18 | kremonte | hey all :-) |
| 19:51.30 | GenNMX | DAB is a pain to setup and I'll only ever use 1% of its power |
| 19:51.37 | Maldivia | id`: hehe, yeah - same :) |
| 19:52.04 | id` | GenNMX: yes i tried dab, it has improved alot since i used it the time before |
| 19:52.06 | id` | but its just too big |
| 19:54.39 | Beladona | bbs, gotta reboot |
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| 19:55.14 | GenNMX | id`: Yeah, I used to use DAB, but it became a hinderance after a while |
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| 20:15.03 | GenNMX | Hmmm, I'm trying to convert COMBATHITSELFOTHER to Lua regexp, but I think the period on the end of it is messing up gsub. |
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| 20:19.14 | futr-sleep | I wouldn't be suprised. I was thinking of doing that too for my addon, but the german local wierdness just made me make my own strings |
| 20:20.44 | GenNMX | futr-sleep: What kinds of problems did you have? |
| 20:21.14 | Kaelten | Zeeg, why is your script change around with my zip files? even after I uncheck things? |
| 20:21.17 | futr-sleep | the $d $s stuff is different in the german localization at least |
| 20:21.32 | GenNMX | %d and %s you mean? |
| 20:21.42 | futrtrubl | indeed |
| 20:21.56 | GenNMX | That's odd...kinda defeats the purpose of those GlobalStrings |
| 20:22.20 | futrtrubl | not for Blizz's use I gues |
| 20:22.21 | futrtrubl | s |
| 20:25.15 | Kalroth_ | something is really funky with the CTRA 1.5 :/ |
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| 20:26.18 | End | hmm, brb |
| 20:26.19 | kremonte | funkay |
| 20:26.23 | futrtrubl | I've always found CTRA to be funky |
| 20:26.28 | Cide | I'm sure you have |
| 20:26.28 | kremonte | funkay! |
| 20:26.31 | Cide | what's funky with it? |
| 20:26.47 | futrtrubl | sorry, funkay |
| 20:26.48 | Kalroth_ | Cide: Getting bad lagspikes when members are joining/leaving and zoning |
| 20:26.55 | Cide | do you use CT_PartyBuffs? |
| 20:26.57 | Kalroth_ | also getting minor lagspikes in BWL |
| 20:27.00 | Kalroth_ | nopes |
| 20:27.28 | Kalroth_ | I upgraded about an hour ago |
| 20:27.36 | Cide | the old version of that caused a lot of lagspikes for us, but nothing lags for me now with the updated version of that... I have heard some people have had issues though, not sure why yet |
| 20:27.53 | Cide | and you are sure it is, in fact, CTRA? |
| 20:27.53 | Kalroth_ | a lot in hour raid got issues with it |
| 20:28.02 | Kalroth_ | 100% |
| 20:28.08 | Cide | try leaving the channel |
| 20:28.24 | Kalroth_ | we just reformed raid to test it, got 1-2 second spike everytime someone left |
| 20:28.31 | Kalroth_ | and same when people joined the new one |
| 20:28.36 | Cide | try leaving channel |
| 20:30.36 | Kalroth_ | just did, didn't seem to fix it |
| 20:30.43 | Kalroth_ | but give me a min to try it |
| 20:33.03 | pagefault | is there a way I can check to see if I am in combat? |
| 20:36.52 | Lebannen | UnitAffectingCombat("player") ? Untested, that's just a guess |
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| 20:37.43 | Lebannen | If you're registering for events, you can use PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED and PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED |
| 20:38.45 | id` | thats for aggro |
| 20:39.07 | id` | PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT and PLAYER_LEAVE_COMBAT are for meelee attack |
| 20:39.24 | id` | uh, i think |
| 20:41.23 | pagefault | alright |
| 20:41.23 | pagefault | thanks |
| 20:52.10 | Cide | Kalroth_: how are you sure it's CTRA, btw? |
| 20:52.29 | Kalroth_ | 99% :) |
| 20:52.38 | Cide | well, how? |
| 20:58.13 | Kalroth_ | because we've got 4 members with only CTRA installed, nothing else |
| 20:58.19 | Kalroth_ | and they got the problem |
| 20:59.35 | Kalroth_ | well CTRA and the BossMod |
| 21:00.51 | Kalroth_ | the odd thing is that it varies for people, for some it's only a minor annoyance, for others it's much worse |
| 21:01.01 | Kalroth_ | (We're in BWL btw, don't think it matters though?) |
| 21:01.34 | Cide | well, how are you sure it doesn't happen with no mods at all? :) |
| 21:01.45 | digix | naw, we were having the same problem in MC, some folks had it bad and others were unaffected |
| 21:02.06 | Kalroth_ | Cide, tried that, no problems :) |
| 21:02.44 | Kalroth_ | it's spikes when members log on (while in raid) or zone |
| 21:02.55 | Kalroth_ | and minor spikes over time |
| 21:04.18 | Kalroth_ | CPU usage is constantly below 100% btw, around 90-95% |
| 21:05.49 | Kalroth_ | hrmm, it happens when moving members too |
| 21:22.17 | [MoonWolf] | Ff you're super bored at work, spike the coffee with LSD. If you're still bored, drink some. |
| 21:25.15 | kremonte | wb cair |
| 21:25.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.37 | Kalroth_ | morning Cair hon! |
| 21:30.55 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.42 | Depherios | oh... btw hi all, sorry for falling asleep on you guys last night XD |
| 21:33.18 | kremonte | ~ugt |
| 21:33.19 | purl | from memory, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 21:33.27 | kremonte | *copies and pastes* |
| 21:33.45 | Depherios | lol |
| 21:33.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.10 | Anduin|AintHere | push push push |
| 21:34.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.25 | Depherios | XD |
| 21:36.37 | Depherios | ... but not where I want it to be anymore lol |
| 21:38.13 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.33 | Depherios | That's odd... on character load it said "A Character With That Name Already Exsists" O_o |
| 21:44.45 | Depherios | then after I clicked Okay, it proceeded to load all my characters lol |
| 21:50.09 | Maldivia | Hmm, anyone know a good statusbar texture, ie not Interface\TargetingFrame\UI-StatusBar - I find it a bit too dark at the bottom, for small bars |
| 21:56.09 | Anduin|AintHere | Cosmos Mac Patcher v2.5 is Live |
| 22:00.18 | [MoonWolf] | More talkingo on irc is done by people who are away/sleeping/working/busy then by people who are there. |
| 22:00.32 | Maldivia | :) |
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| 22:06.48 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=293240&p=1&tmp=1#post293240 |
| 22:07.14 | AnduinLothar | lol, SPAM! |
| 22:07.39 | AnduinLothar | you're bored aren't you |
| 22:07.52 | Cairenn | I'm trying desperately to not fall back asleep |
| 22:08.03 | AnduinLothar | heh, i know the feeling |
| 22:08.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:09.00 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.11 | futrtrubl | then don't do it Cairenn |
| 22:09.36 | AnduinLothar | spoe I should update sea on the addon sites, huh... |
| 22:09.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.26 | futrtrubl | MADNESS! anything we can do to help you out? |
| 22:10.37 | cladhaire | heyas cair |
| 22:10.54 | Cairenn | nope, all is good now |
| 22:11.03 | Cairenn | I'll sleep next week |
| 22:11.36 | Corrodias | what do you do, that it must be done all but 2 or 4 hours a day? |
| 22:11.42 | futrtrubl | did I ever mention that I think you are an awesomely sexy goddess for doing everythiong that you do? |
| 22:12.02 | Corrodias | uh oh, am i in for a long list? |
| 22:12.03 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.17 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.17 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 22:12.57 | futrtrubl | that's a... concise, way of putting it ;'] |
| 22:12.59 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.24 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 22:14.30 | futrtrubl | except when it comes to a "sense of resposibility" to yourself |
| 22:14.39 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, alcohol helps with that. |
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| 22:15.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.06 | AnduinLothar | Sea --> WoWI |
| 22:17.26 | AnduinLothar | go go wiki changelog |
| 22:17.43 | Cairenn | approved |
| 22:18.19 | Depherios | Currently CastOptions requires BOTH Mcom and Sea? |
| 22:18.32 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 22:18.59 | AnduinLothar | It's recommended you use Sea with MCom anyway |
| 22:19.12 | Depherios | I thought I HAD Mcom |
| 22:19.25 | Kolth | hah |
| 22:19.25 | AnduinLothar | the Sea update fixed CastOptions |
| 22:19.34 | Depherios | yeah... I read/noticed |
| 22:20.41 | Corrodias | a statusbar texture.. what is a statusbar supposed to look like? |
| 22:20.55 | Depherios | .... gradient |
| 22:21.12 | Depherios | default WoW bars aren't a perfect gradient... |
| 22:21.17 | Depherios | assuming I'm understanding you right |
| 22:21.54 | Corrodias | eh, probably |
| 22:22.48 | Osagasu | Kaelten, what's new in this version of Ace? |
| 22:22.51 | Corrodias | i wonder why BasicExperienceBar needed an update... seemed to be working all right before |
| 22:22.55 | Osagasu | You didn't put it in the description |
| 22:23.16 | futrtrubl | why not extract WoW's default statusbar texture instead of recreating it? |
| 22:23.37 | pagefault | I think the warlock class is completely balanced now |
| 22:23.41 | pagefault | they should leave it alone :) |
| 22:24.06 | futrtrubl | Corrodias, it was working fine. I just updated the toc (forgot one though) and removed some obsolete code\ |
| 22:24.08 | pagefault | what is in 1.10 |
| 22:24.26 | Depherios | oh gawd! |
| 22:24.32 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.32 | Corrodias | ah |
| 22:25.11 | Depherios | oh yes, one more reason to dread 1.10, I won't be able to manually modify the fonts.xml anymore |
| 22:25.14 | AnduinLothar | meh, the EU massed nuked curse |
| 22:25.27 | AnduinLothar | masses* |
| 22:25.37 | [MoonWolf] | AnduinLothar, not me! |
| 22:25.41 | [MoonWolf] | it wasn't me |
| 22:26.21 | Corrodias | what part of that post implies that you can't modify fonts.xml? |
| 22:26.38 | Depherios | not that post... seeing all those font changes reminded me |
| 22:26.53 | futrtrubl | why are you denying it so forcefully [MoonWolf]? Got something to hide? Hmmm? ;'] |
| 22:27.19 | Corrodias | oh. then what part of 1.10 makes it that you can't modify fonts.xml? |
| 22:27.27 | [MoonWolf] | nice ceiling here btw. |
| 22:27.32 | Corrodias | surely they're not disposing of the framexml override directory? |
| 22:27.36 | futrtrubl | now more modification of FrameXML stuff |
| 22:28.00 | Depherios | no more* |
| 22:28.03 | futrtrubl | it's in the changes thread for 1.10 |
| 22:28.11 | [MoonWolf] | they are enableling a setfont method for a lot of ui elements |
| 22:28.15 | Corrodias | well, that's just dandy, my experience bar goes back to being screwed |
| 22:28.19 | futrtrubl | oops, yeah Depherios |
| 22:28.31 | Depherios | Well I completely replace every font in the game with Tahoma |
| 22:28.32 | Depherios | to save my eyes |
| 22:28.39 | futrtrubl | which is that Corrodias? |
| 22:28.52 | Corrodias | i removed the default experience bar and replaced it with BEB |
| 22:29.00 | futrtrubl | ahhhh |
| 22:29.14 | futrtrubl | I may add that feature eventually ;'] |
| 22:29.15 | Corrodias | since it's embedded in the mainmenubar, i had to use modified framexml files |
| 22:29.46 | Corrodias | it looks perfect, but if i can't do that in 1.10, it'll go back to looking stupid |
| 22:29.52 | AnduinLothar | just use SetParent(UIParent) |
| 22:29.55 | Corrodias | or i'll just have to dispose of the mainmenubar entirely |
| 22:30.18 | Corrodias | ...how will that help? :o |
| 22:30.20 | futrtrubl | Corrodias, can you send me the changes you made so I can see if I can implement them in BEB? |
| 22:31.15 | AnduinLothar | then it's not stuck to the main menu bar, but you can still anchor it to the MainMenuBar if you like |
| 22:31.46 | Corrodias | actually, i just took the code from another experience bar mod that did remove the original and fixed it so the scaling wasn't screwed up... the page-changing buttons aren't perfect, and i need to modify their code a little yet |
| 22:31.48 | futrtrubl | no, he's trying to get rid of it entirely |
| 22:32.04 | Corrodias | but i can send you the xml and image files as they are at the moment |
| 22:32.30 | futrtrubl | once you get them to your satisfaction please send them to me |
| 22:32.56 | Corrodias | i have to go get my hair cut, so i'll be back in ~30 minutes |
| 22:33.07 | Corrodias | the question is, is there a point to doing it when it won't be possible in 1.10? |
| 22:33.32 | futrtrubl | I can look at the changes you made and implement them in lua |
| 22:33.51 | Corrodias | that would be freakin' fantastic. i didn't know you can modify the frames that way with LUA |
| 22:34.07 | Corrodias | unless that's part of the whole 1.10 thing |
| 22:34.24 | futrtrubl | yup, esp with 1.10, but I should be able to do enough with 1.9 |
| 22:34.29 | AnduinLothar | IsMounted --> WoWI |
| 22:34.38 | Corrodias | i look forward to seeing that. anyway, bbl. [away] |
| 22:35.02 | futrtrubl | k, email the zipped files to futrtrubl@hotmail.com when ready |
| 22:36.04 | AnduinLothar | because curse is down it motivates me to upload addons to a site the IS working.. |
| 22:36.27 | AnduinLothar | cept I don't want to rewrite all my descriptions :( |
| 22:36.48 | futrtrubl | don't have a copy of the descripts somewhere local? |
| 22:36.58 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.14 | Cairenn | that's what I always did, when I was modding |
| 22:37.17 | [MoonWolf] | keep you descriptions in a readme file with your addons |
| 22:37.20 | [MoonWolf] | that is what i do. |
| 22:37.26 | futrtrubl | as do I |
| 22:37.39 | [MoonWolf] | that way people can figure out what things do without looking up the tocs or online. |
| 22:37.42 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.42 | Kalroth_ | grats Karl! |
| 22:38.55 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.57 | cladhaire | OMG KarlKFI virused WoWI and Cair approved IT |
| 22:39.08 | cladhaire | tee hee |
| 22:39.54 | cladhaire | TIp: You can use the tab key to select nearby enemies in front of you |
| 22:41.18 | AnduinLothar | ya, spose txt files make sense in each addon folder |
| 22:41.19 | [MoonWolf] | Tip: If you see a dwarf with facial hair, don't assume it is male! |
| 22:41.29 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.00 | futrtrubl | lol |
| 22:52.17 | Tem|Work | Tip: Being polite while in a group with others will make them suspicious! |
| 22:52.29 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.41 | Guillotine | yay! tem is using my ComedicTips <3 |
| 22:53.02 | Cairenn | mind you, I haven't logged in in days, to see them |
| 22:53.09 | Cairenn | but they're installed |
| 22:53.13 | Guillotine | well, you logged in at least once |
| 22:53.19 | Cairenn | did I? |
| 22:53.23 | Guillotine | you saw the one about stealth bumping :P |
| 22:53.34 | Cairenn | no, I saw that from the ace channel :p |
| 22:53.37 | Guillotine | ahhh |
| 22:53.44 | Guillotine | ok |
| 22:53.46 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:54.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.28 | futrtrubl | where do I get these comedic tips? |
| 22:54.35 | Cairenn | and yes, I know, that was only yesterday |
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| 22:54.46 | Kalroth_ | grrr CTRA is annoying :( |
| 22:54.53 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.03 | Beladona | danke |
| 22:55.04 | [MoonWolf] | I thought up the same idea Guillotine but you beat me to actually making one so i thought you could have the honours |
| 22:55.15 | [MoonWolf] | Cairenn, told me about your addon yesterday |
| 22:55.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.40 | id` | a={b='bar' c={d=function(self,baz) print(baz .. self.c) end}} a.c:d('foo') |
| 22:55.43 | id` | is this correct? |
| 22:55.43 | Guillotine | Moonwolf: well thank you :P |
| 22:56.00 | id` | the code implies that self inside c is a |
| 22:56.11 | id` | this is false right? |
| 22:56.13 | Guillotine | id', you're making my head hurt |
| 22:56.24 | id` | ;\ |
| 22:56.27 | futrtrubl | you need at least one comma in there |
| 22:56.38 | [MoonWolf] | id i think self for c is c.... |
| 22:56.40 | Depherios | I... Miss... Auto-run... :'(. It was the most awesome thing ever. Can't believe they removed it. |
| 22:56.45 | Depherios | ... Auto-Travel? |
| 22:56.57 | Guillotine | haha |
| 22:57.06 | Guillotine | where did you see that? |
| 22:57.14 | Depherios | Tips |
| 22:57.32 | Depherios | So far the one that cracked me up the most was Everyone loves magical trevor, cuz the things that he does are ever so clever. Look at him now... |
| 22:58.04 | Kalroth_ | hahah |
| 22:58.45 | [MoonWolf] | Guillotine, is there a limit to the ammount of tips you can put in ? |
| 22:58.56 | AnduinLothar | a gazigilion |
| 22:59.09 | Guillotine | MoonWolf: yes. and they have to be the exact same number of characters each as the original tips |
| 22:59.12 | Guillotine | hence some of the mispellings |
| 22:59.18 | [MoonWolf] | ah |
| 22:59.19 | [MoonWolf] | stupid |
| 22:59.27 | [MoonWolf] | that takes away a lot of fun |
| 22:59.45 | Guillotine | I believe this was a change made in the system to prevent people doing some things such as replacing LanguageWords.dbc with a blank file to read opposing faction's languages |
| 23:00.01 | Guillotine | I had to actually hex-edit the file to get it working :/ |
| 23:00.10 | [MoonWolf] | zero padded it |
| 23:00.23 | Guillotine | I tried that. made the game crash |
| 23:00.27 | Guillotine | instead I space-padded it |
| 23:00.48 | [MoonWolf] | that could also work. |
| 23:00.56 | [MoonWolf] | blizzard never lets us have fun. |
| 23:00.59 | Guillotine | lol |
| 23:01.05 | Guillotine | thats why sometimes the allignment is wierd |
| 23:01.14 | Guillotine | but it works pretty well |
| 23:01.20 | [MoonWolf] | indeed |
| 23:01.27 | [MoonWolf] | but you cheated, you had one day ahead of me! |
| 23:01.37 | Guillotine | haha. stupid european... |
| 23:01.44 | Guillotine | <3 |
| 23:01.49 | Depherios | EU gets no test servers? |
| 23:02.00 | Guillotine | they dol |
| 23:02.04 | [MoonWolf] | EU test server gets to copy lvl 60 |
| 23:02.07 | Guillotine | and they get free level 60s on it :( |
| 23:02.13 | [MoonWolf] | so its filled with, isntant lvl 60 is fun people |
| 23:02.24 | [MoonWolf] | what you have to test stuff here. go away noob lets down onyxia. |
| 23:02.30 | Depherios | XD |
| 23:02.32 | Depherios | lol |
| 23:03.43 | [MoonWolf] | therefor i get no testing. |
| 23:03.51 | [MoonWolf] | 6000 queu for gods sake. |
| 23:03.57 | Depherios | lol |
| 23:05.26 | Guillotine | so did anyone have a better idea for the tip about slouken besides "Slouken Rules!"? |
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| 23:05.34 | Guillotine | I couldn't think of any good one... |
| 23:05.55 | id` | Tip: It's not a hunter weapon |
| 23:06.01 | Depherios | lol |
| 23:06.17 | futrtrubl | I love slouken with all parts of my body. Especially my peepee. |
| 23:06.21 | Depherios | btw, good job leaving "there is no cow level" in there |
| 23:07.18 | Guillotine | Futrtrubl... no |
| 23:07.32 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.32 | Guillotine | Depherios: ya, I left the 2 ones that were already in it there |
| 23:07.33 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 23:08.11 | id` | If you're happy and you know it punt a gnome... |
| 23:08.33 | Beladona | Tip: Yes, the developer staff DID read your post |
| 23:08.39 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 23:08.50 | Guillotine | those aren't mine, are they? |
| 23:09.58 | Guillotine | slouken's game just called me an idiot... |
| 23:10.10 | Guillotine | I guess I wasn't supposed to shoot/kill the health pack |
| 23:10.20 | futrtrubl | id` that's aweful and good, awefully good |
| 23:10.47 | Depherios | ... hey guys, is using /script UseAction(19,0,1); a bad way to self cast a spell for a macro? |
| 23:10.49 | Cairenn | I *still* want that explained to me |
| 23:11.04 | id` | futrtrubl: :D |
| 23:11.08 | End | Guillotine: are you playing what I think you are playing? |
| 23:11.19 | Guillotine | End: what do you think I am playing? |
| 23:11.27 | End | Maelstrom? |
| 23:11.36 | Guillotine | yes :) Its addicting |
| 23:11.42 | End | I remember that game, hehe |
| 23:11.43 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.17 | futrtrubl | corruption of the language, aweful was a good thing once |
| 23:13.01 | End | hmmmm, I think when I last played it wasn't labeled "3.0" though. it's been a while |
| 23:13.13 | futrtrubl | but if something made you full of awe then it could be becuase it was terrifying, and aweful as we know it |
| 23:13.26 | Fanook | the same reason that the word phonetic isn't? |
| 23:13.40 | Beladona | it actually derives from the old english word ayfull |
| 23:13.43 | Fanook | or that lisp has an 'S' :) |
| 23:13.47 | Beladona | which was full of dread |
| 23:14.23 | futrtrubl | dreadful to behold |
| 23:14.55 | Guillotine | like "awkward" derives from an "awk", a derogatory term for a left-handed person |
| 23:15.09 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 23:15.18 | Beladona | whats wrong with left handed people |
| 23:15.30 | Guillotine | they USED to be considered... awkward |
| 23:15.33 | Beladona | left handed people are right of mind |
| 23:15.51 | futrtrubl | and where sinister comes from, the Latin for left |
| 23:16.22 | futrtrubl | dextrous coming from the latin for right |
| 23:16.28 | Guillotine | we should file a class-action lawsuit against blizzard for calling the move "Sinister strike", and being derogatory to all us left-handed people! |
| 23:17.42 | Beladona | how is taht derogatory |
| 23:18.03 | Guillotine | I'm not sure... we'll need a good lawyer |
| 23:18.08 | futrtrubl | lol |
| 23:18.52 | Plorkyeran | what you should sue for is the ability to sinister strike with your offhand weapon |
| 23:21.13 | futrtrubl | with a rogue being ambidextrous (both right) why is a rogue doing a left strike with a right hand? |
| 23:22.10 | Beladona | heh |
| 23:22.15 | Cairenn | ehe |
| 23:22.17 | Guillotine | it rhymes! |
| 23:23.41 | futrtrubl | shhh everyone, Cairenn is around and this chan is for discutions only ;'] |
| 23:23.41 | Cairenn | it is? |
| 23:23.41 | futrtrubl | oh, the topic was changed |
| 23:23.41 | Kalroth_ | slapping is allowed though |
| 23:23.41 | Guillotine | I think the idea was more that if people are having a real conversation, don't start making jokes |
| 23:23.41 | End | no, it's for executions only |
| 23:23.42 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.45 | End | this is where I execute my code! |
| 23:24.02 | Plorkyeran | let's discuss how mana regen items add mana more often than they're supposed to :P |
| 23:24.11 | futrtrubl | I would never do that oh Cairenn! |
| 23:24.13 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.21 | Beladona | which is a rerun |
| 23:24.23 | End | my programming is hardly scheduled! |
| 23:24.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.22 | futrtrubl | that's the problem with text my Brittish sarcasm doesn't show through ;'[ |
| 23:25.39 | Cairenn | or does it? o.O |
| 23:25.40 | id` | nn |
| 23:25.45 | Cairenn | night id` |
| 23:25.46 | End | that's what you get for being so britty |
| 23:25.48 | id` | *yawn* |
| 23:26.23 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 23:26.24 | Kalroth_ | Cairenn: I don't! |
| 23:26.32 | Guillotine | Cairenn: I do! |
| 23:27.09 | Guillotine | how are you doing? |
| 23:27.12 | futrtrubl | ~talk to the hand |
| 23:27.13 | purl | the face ain't listening |
| 23:27.15 | Corrodias | okay, i'm back now |
| 23:27.20 | Corrodias | time to see what's different in these xml files |
| 23:27.36 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.44 | End | poke no good, try prod |
| 23:28.57 | Cairenn | naw, I like poke |
| 23:29.03 | Cairenn | easy to move from that to tickle |
| 23:29.10 | End | NO, PROD IS BETTER! |
| 23:29.21 | Cairenn | MOG |
| 23:29.36 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.01 | futrtrubl | ~o rly? |
| 23:30.02 | purl | ACTION slaps futrtrubl several times across the face before kidney punching them and pulling out a shotgun to blow their brains out: "Ya rly!" |
| 23:30.15 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 23:30.18 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:30.28 | Fanook | "their" brains? |
| 23:30.38 | futrtrubl | but why am I a "their" |
| 23:30.44 | Corrodias | oh, boy, we get to do the Authentication dance again |
| 23:31.42 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.43 | futrtrubl | I guess "his/her" brains lacks panache |
| 23:31.57 | Corrodias | in the game |
| 23:31.58 | futrtrubl | no, here, I msged him |
| 23:32.02 | Cairenn | ah |
| 23:32.07 | Corrodias | long delay for Authentication |
| 23:32.07 | futrtrubl | ahhh |
| 23:32.25 | Corrodias | not half as long as yesterday, at least |
| 23:33.11 | zeeg | good to know i severely fucked up wowguru |
| 23:33.42 | futrtrubl | how? |
| 23:33.50 | zeeg | idk the copy added duplicates for some reason to the mods |
| 23:34.21 | futrtrubl | ouch |
| 23:34.27 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.56 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.06 | zeeg | removing what checkmark? |
| 23:35.26 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.42 | zeeg | its not included if the checkmark isn't there :| |
| 23:35.53 | Cairenn | well, it was |
| 23:36.01 | Cairenn | and still messed with the files |
| 23:36.01 | zeeg | not for ages |
| 23:36.44 | Cairenn | anyway, just passing along the info |
| 23:39.05 | Guillotine | Zeeg: do you have the same rules about ppl talking about emu servers as WoWI does? If so, I found a post you may want to look at |
| 23:39.48 | zeeg | link me |
| 23:40.01 | zeeg | we have the same rules I'm sure |
| 23:41.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 23:43.03 | zeeg | ok wtf |
| 23:43.18 | Osagasu | Link us Guil |
| 23:44.09 | Corrodias | yay |
| 23:44.26 | Corrodias | when using current versions of the main menu bar xml, only a few changes must be made to remove the experience bar |
| 23:48.03 | Cairenn | later lon_gone |
| 23:48.59 | zeeg | ok so |
| 23:49.03 | zeeg | i think most files are fixed on wg now |
| 23:49.48 | Corrodias | unfortunately, i don't know if these changes can be made from within the game... i guess futrtrubl will find out |
| 23:50.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tuatara (n=chatzill@d142-59-67-40.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 23:54.20 | Corrodias | xml emailed |
