irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20060107

`00:01.01`	`qwxyr`	`Something like this: http://home.no.net/mflister/wow/allinoneinventory-sorted!.jpg`
`00:01.09`	`qwxyr`	`Don't you think that is greatly missed?`
`00:01.23`	`qwxyr`	`I'd pay 100g for something like that`
`00:01.26`	`[MoonWolf]`	`qwxyr, try enginventory`
`00:01.35`	`Guillotine`	`yup`
`00:01.36`	`[MoonWolf]`	`its bloated and buggy but it does what you want`
`00:01.38`	`Guillotine`	`Enginventory does that`
`00:01.44`	`Guillotine`	`I have never found it buggy`
`00:01.45`	`[MoonWolf]`	`or wait for invsort to come out`
`00:01.50`	`Guillotine`	`bloated, yes, but not buggy`
`00:02.18`	`[MoonWolf]`	`With me it had problems keeping the rogue items i pointed at a certain slot in there`
`00:02.29`	`[MoonWolf]`	`they would jump to the slot adject all the time.`
`00:02.35`	`Maldivia`	`hmm... cant remember - is it possible with string.find to do "or" - like in regex with word1\|word2\|word3 ?`
`00:03.02`	`Guillotine`	`I don't believe so...`
`00:03.17`	`Iriel`	`No`
`00:03.32`	`Guillotine`	`just do:`
`00:03.48`	`qwxyr`	`any work in progress pics and featurelist of invsort ?`
`00:03.59`	`futr-sleep`	`enginv is buggy, even before 1.9`
`00:04.14`	`Guillotine`	`if ((string.find(something,"something")) or (string.find(something, "somethingelse"))) then`
`00:04.18`	`Iriel`	`If you can do a regexp that matches the words you want and maybe a couple of others, then do an if on the result, that works too`
`00:04.32`	`Maldivia`	`Guillotine: true - but doesn't work if it's a user-inputted search string`
`00:04.45`	`Guillotine`	`ah. ok`
`00:04.54`	`Iriel`	`Just make a loop`
`00:05.24`	`Iriel`	`for i,w in ipairs(searchTerms) if string.find(something, w) then return i end end end`
`00:05.31`	`Iriel`	`Oops, missed the beginning of that`
`00:05.36`	`Maldivia`	`yeah...`
`00:05.44`	`Iriel`	`function searchFor(something, searchTerms) for i,w in ipairs(searchTerms) if string.find(something, w) then return i end end end`
`00:05.53`	`Maldivia`	`yep yep :)`
`00:06.42`	`futrtrubl`	`that will only return one hit, do you want it to catch multiple ones?`
`00:06.50`	`Beladona`	`doh, missed that`
`00:06.52`	`Beladona`	`(18:56:39) qwxyr: I'll mspaint an example together :-)`
`00:07.04`	`Beladona`	`that is like saying, I will crap on the floor and draw a picture of it for you`
`00:07.09`	`End`	`stupid aspect ratios messing me up!`
`00:08.24`	`qwxyr`	`Beladona - but it get's the picture across ;-)`
`00:09.36`	`Beladona`	`gimp`
`00:09.45`	`Beladona`	`as in the program`
`00:09.58`	id``	`i gots a little lua problem`
`00:10.00`	id``	`http://pastebin.com/494219`
`00:10.15`	id``	`enable idChat:Timestamp() doesnt wotk`
`00:10.17`	id``	`(yet)`
`00:10.27`	id``	`when i enable it any incoming text isnt shown AT ALL`
`00:10.42`	`Beladona`	`my god, Discord is getting some serious forum action on wowi ehh?`
`00:10.58`	`qwxyr`	`I just made a huge post about it`
`00:11.09`	id``	`Beladona: is it true that the wowi forums dont mark posts read/etc ?`
`00:11.17`	`Beladona`	`they do for me`
`00:11.19`	id``	`or is it just me that never visits a topic so they all look the same`
`00:11.23`	id``	`:<`
`00:11.36`	`Cairenn`	`yup, he announced on the Blizz forums that the WoWI forums are his main support site for now until he gets his site back up and running`
`00:11.46`	`Cairenn`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=294357&p=1&tmp=1#post294357`
`00:12.14`	`Beladona`	`yeah I know`
`00:12.28`	`Beladona`	`it just spams my latest threads box`
`00:12.33`	`Beladona`	`kinda annoying`
`00:13.34`	`qwxyr`	`great, I made stubby break too`
`00:14.48`	`SP\|Sorren`	`you think less people would post about how they cant move my addon after unlocking it if i attached a font string "Drag this to move->" to my anchor?`
`00:15.59`	`Guillotine`	`...maybe`
`00:16.03`	`qwxyr`	`You could make it blink and 3D position a sound that said "click here" on the anchor`
`00:16.04`	`futrtrubl`	`nope`
`00:16.34`	`futrtrubl`	`people don't take subtle hints like that SP\|Sorren ;']`
`00:16.49`	`SP\|Sorren`	`:<`
`00:17.09`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i should do it anyway so people remember to lock the addon afterwards, or else parts of it wont dissapear!`
`00:17.45`	`kremonte`	`hey Guillotine :-)`
`00:18.08`	`futrtrubl`	`SP\|Sorren, why won't the "Drag this to move" text not disapear when I stop moving the addon?`
`00:18.43`	`Tain`	`Why doesn't drag work? I move my mouse over it but nothing happens`
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`00:18.49`	`SP\|Sorren`	`lol`
`00:19.29`	`Beladona`	`brb`
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`00:20.27`	`SP\|Sorren`	`anyone have purty statusbar textures i can borrow for duf? :P`
`00:20.43`	`futrtrubl`	`how purty?`
`00:20.54`	`SP\|Sorren`	`simply purty`
`00:21.11`	`futrtrubl`	`BEB has quite a few in it`
`00:21.17`	`SP\|Sorren`	`BEB?`
`00:21.26`	`futrtrubl`	`making a new glassy one for it too`
`00:21.30`	`futrtrubl`	`~beb`
`00:21.31`	`purl`	`well, beb is BasicExperienceBar, a highly configurable WoW XP bar addon. Find it at your favorite WoW addon site.`
`00:21.32`	`Tain`	`Biscord Eunuch Buff?`
`00:21.45`	`SP\|Sorren`	`ooo`
`00:22.02`	id``	`i gots a little lua problem`
`00:22.04`	id``	`http://pastebin.com/494219`
`00:22.08`	id``	`enable idChat:Timestamp() doesnt wotk`
`00:22.10`	id``	`(yet)`
`00:22.17`	id``	`when i enable it any incoming text isnt shown AT ALL`
`00:22.24`	id``	`:<`
`00:23.14`	`qwxyr`	`Woot, they fixed the anchoring in the latest unstable release of auctioneer`
`00:23.23`	`futrtrubl`	`your lua confuses me ;']`
`00:23.29`	id``	`why, how`
`00:23.32`	id``	`where?`
`00:23.33`	id``	`:D`
`00:23.39`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i agree, your lua is structured way different from my lua 8)`
`00:23.43`	id``	`(you are not the first one to tell me o_O)`
`00:24.09`	`futrtrubl`	`maybe it's the Aceification`
`00:24.50`	id``	`it doesnt use any event, so its not much more then a table with functions in it`
`00:25.51`	id``	`basically Enable checks the savedvars if things are set to ON in there and then turns them on`
`00:25.57`	id``	`this happens when the addon loads`
`00:30.22`	`SP\|Sorren`	`are you hooking AddMessage for every single ChatFrame?`
`00:30.50`	id``	`yes`
`00:31.00`	id``	`and making a new version inside the idChat table`
`00:31.16`	id``	`when the original addmessage happens do mine instead (i think)`
`00:31.33`	`SP\|Sorren`	`cant you just hook AddMessage?`
`00:31.44`	`SP\|Sorren`	`rather than ChatFrame.AddMessage?`
`00:32.01`	`SP\|Sorren`	`or do you plan to do different things with each frame eventually O.o`
`00:32.09`	id``	`not really`
`00:32.42`	`kremonte`	`wow`
`00:32.44`	`kremonte`	id`'s lua scared me
`00:32.44`	id``	`i just want to add a timestamp and maybe later on expand some variables into strings (target health percent etcetc)`
`00:33.01`	`Osagasu`	`Okay, the Character addon setup is good and bad in a way`
`00:33.26`	id``	`i wonder if it scared kremonte as it being good or bad`
`00:33.28`	id``	`:\|`
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`00:33.43`	`SP\|Sorren`	`your lua makes me crave caffiene.`
`00:33.53`	`kremonte`	`caffeine!`
`00:33.55`	id``	`kremonte: does it scare you as it being good or bad`
`00:34.02`	`kremonte`	id``: it's scary
`00:34.08`	id``	`bad?`
`00:34.11`	`kremonte`	id``: it jumped out of my screen and went BOOGA BOOGA
`00:34.16`	`SP\|Sorren`	`ahaha`
`00:34.17`	id``	`hahahahaha`
`00:35.31`	`SP\|Sorren`	`so does it output anything?`
`00:35.34`	`SP\|Sorren`	`or does it just do nothing`
`00:35.36`	`SP\|Sorren`	`no difference?`
`00:36.23`	id``	`if it is on the chat frame shows nothing at all`
`00:38.00`	`SP\|Sorren`	`this Hook() CallHook() stuff is ace right?`
`00:39.18`	id``	`yes`
`00:39.36`	id``	`http://www.wowace.com/?page=usage#hooks`
`00:39.42`	id``	`to be honest`
`00:39.52`	id``	`i copied this functionality from ChatScroll`
`00:39.55`	id``	`(another ace addon)`
`00:40.13`	`SP\|Sorren`	`ah`
`00:40.15`	id``	`but`
`00:40.19`	id``	`the last version on here`
`00:40.20`	id``	`http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/`
`00:40.23`	id``	`works just perfect`
`00:40.29`	id``	`:\`
`00:40.36`	`cladhaire`	`http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/AceHooks`
`00:40.38`	`cladhaire`	`specifically =)`
`00:40.50`	id``	`cladhaire: oh that might be it`
`00:40.53`	id``	`im using the new ace`
`00:40.57`	`cladhaire`	`nod`
`00:41.04`	id``	`with old docs`
`00:41.05`	`cladhaire`	`the wiki should be the most up to date`
`00:41.12`	id``	`blush`
`00:41.12`	`cladhaire`	`the API should be the same`
`00:41.16`	`cladhaire`	`are you having an issue somewhere?`
`00:41.25`	`cladhaire`	`(laptop was closed)`
`00:41.30`	id``	`http://pastebin.com/494219`
`00:41.40`	`cladhaire`	`which portion?`
`00:41.44`	id``	`if enableTimestamp is turned on`
`00:41.48`	id``	`no more text is shown`
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`00:42.03`	`cladhaire`	`meaning, just the timestamps are output?`
`00:42.10`	id``	`nothing is output`
`00:42.16`	id``	`nada`
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`00:42.32`	`cladhaire`	`oh`
`00:42.32`	`cladhaire`	`ok`
`00:43.08`	`Iriel`	`Is it bad that enable and disable timestamp dont prevent themselves from being double-caclled`
`00:43.40`	`Iriel`	`And dont you have to pass Unhook the function to remove from the hook list? (I'm guessing on that one, but can't see how unhooking works without knowing that)`
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`00:43.54`	`cladhaire`	`Id: run a idChat:HookReport()`
`00:44.10`	`Iriel`	`Shouldn't you be running self:Hook(cf, "AddMessage", self[func])`
`00:44.18`	`Iriel`	`You're passing 'func' right now`
`00:44.24`	`Iriel`	`or is that just an Acehooks tihng?`
`00:44.26`	`Iriel`	`thing`
`00:44.38`	`cladhaire`	`haha`
`00:44.38`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`00:45.10`	`cladhaire`	`you're correct`
`00:45.10`	`Iriel`	`<--- knowledge of acehooks nil`
`00:45.10`	id``	`cladhaire: 7 tables on OnMouseWheel o_O`
`00:45.10`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: All you need to know about AceHooks.. is its 100% straightforward, no tricks`
`00:45.13`	`cladhaire`	`err.`
`00:45.15`	`cladhaire`	`pft.`
`00:45.17`	`cladhaire`	`gimme a second.`
`00:45.21`	id``	`sure ofcource`
`00:45.22`	id``	`:D`
`00:45.24`	`cladhaire`	`Id: You need to pass self[func]`
`00:45.27`	`cladhaire`	`not func`
`00:45.27`	`Iriel`	`so it's hook(object, handler, function) ?`
`00:45.34`	`Iriel`	`and unhook(object, handler, function) ?`
`00:45.45`	`cladhaire`	`close.`
`00:46.03`	`cladhaire`	`Hook(Object, method, function or methodname)`
`00:46.06`	`cladhaire`	`Unhook(Object, method)`
`00:46.20`	`Iriel`	`How does it know which of the hooks to remove when you call Unhook?`
`00:46.20`	`cladhaire`	`we don't allow double-hooking..`
`00:46.24`	`cladhaire`	`from a single namespace.`
`00:46.35`	`Iriel`	`Ah, so it tracks hooks by namespace`
`00:46.35`	`Iriel`	`ok`
`00:46.43`	`cladhaire`	`they're stored local per-namespace.`
`00:47.46`	`cladhaire`	`http://ace.pastebin.com/494285 is AceHooks.lua if you're bored`
`00:47.53`	`Iriel`	`By the way, id, I find your code quite readable 8-)`
`00:48.11`	`cladhaire`	`id: Did you test that out?`
`00:48.36`	id``	`Iriel: woot :D`
`00:48.59`	id``	`cladhaire: yes, i think i understand too`
`00:49.10`	id``	`i feel so bad ripping someones code and then randomly asking for help`
`00:49.27`	id``	`at the same time im learning what it did with ace 1.2.5 and how it should eb now`
`00:49.29`	id``	`;\`
`00:49.30`	`cladhaire`	`Dont, its how many of us learned`
`00:49.31`	`Iriel`	`Ace may benefit slightly from local selfHooks = self.Hooks`
`00:49.32`	`Tain`	`That's how great advancements are made, id!`
`00:49.39`	`Iriel`	`In fact`
`00:49.46`	`Iriel`	`local selfHook = self.Hooks[func]`
`00:49.55`	`Iriel`	`in a bunch of those functions`
`00:50.06`	`cladhaire`	`I've got to go through and clean that set of things up`
`00:50.22`	`cladhaire`	`Kael just rolled it into Ace, and I held off for testing before making any big changes`
`00:50.30`	`SP\|Sorren`	`what's the difference between self:Hook(Object, "methodName", "handlerName") - Hooks Object["methodName"] with self.handlerName and self:Hook(Object, "methodName", handler) - Hooks Object["methodName"] with the function handler (can be anonymous, or well-defined) if you're passing self[func]?`
`00:50.46`	`SP\|Sorren`	`and func`
`00:51.01`	`SP\|Sorren`	`wouldn't func call the first, which is essentially the same as passing self[func] to the second o.O`
`00:51.08`	`SP\|Sorren`	`oooh`
`00:51.16`	`SP\|Sorren`	`no its not`
`00:51.17`	`SP\|Sorren`	`nevermind`
`00:51.25`	`cladhaire`	`SP\|Sorren you can self:Hook(ChatFrame1, "AddMessage", function() -- Do something here)`
`00:51.30`	`cladhaire`	`lol, j.`
`00:51.33`	`cladhaire`	`k even`
`00:52.07`	id``	`cladhaire: so what did CallHook do? (its not in the api now)`
`00:52.48`	`Iriel`	`Hm, following SP\|Sorren's call through would imply that Id's original code should have worked`
`00:52.51`	`cladhaire`	`the same as manually self.Hooks[Object].method.orig() previously.. with an unpack() And extra functino call.. it just added overhead`
`00:53.04`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: func in that case was a string, not a functino`
`00:53.29`	`SP\|Sorren`	`right so wouldnt it call self."whatever funcstring was?"`
`00:53.39`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i was thinking for a second that it woudl call self.func`
`00:53.44`	`cladhaire`	`Yes, but that function wouldn't exist`
`00:53.50`	`SP\|Sorren`	`but that would only be the case if func = "func"`
`00:53.52`	`cladhaire`	`and AceHooks would throw an error`
`00:54.02`	`cladhaire`	`Take the following example`
`00:54.08`	`Iriel`	`He did have func and not "func"`
`00:54.08`	`cladhaire`	`we have a method self.AddMessage`
`00:54.12`	`Iriel`	`so I think it should have worked`
`00:54.30`	`cladhaire`	`Looking.`
`00:54.31`	`Iriel`	`oh`
`00:54.33`	`Iriel`	`but callhook wont`
`00:54.35`	`Iriel`	`that's why it breaks`
`00:54.38`	`Iriel`	`he aliased self`
`00:54.40`	`cladhaire`	`func = 'Chat'..i..'AddMessage'`
`00:54.40`	`Iriel`	`and got the wrong one`
`00:54.48`	`Iriel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:54.57`	`Iriel`	`that needs to be self[func] = function(amSelf, ...)`
`00:55.12`	`Iriel`	`right?`
`00:55.14`	`cladhaire`	`or any non "self" self.`
`00:55.16`	`cladhaire`	`correct`
`00:55.31`	`Iriel`	`because you end up calling self:CallHook on the chat frame, not your namespace`
`00:55.32`	`cladhaire`	`Oh wait.`
`00:55.34`	`cladhaire`	`you're correct.`
`00:55.46`	`cladhaire`	`that it shoudl have worked, and it doesn't because of the wrong self.`
`00:55.55`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i need more caffiene.`
`00:56.09`	`cladhaire`	`my eyes hurt tonight.`
`00:56.13`	id``	`im so logging this channel 24/7`
`00:56.14`	id``	`:p`
`00:56.15`	`Iriel`	`In fact, to make the code work without any other changes`
`00:56.21`	`Iriel`	`self[func] = function(cf, ...)`
`00:56.31`	`Iriel`	`purl already logs it`
`00:56.35`	`cladhaire`	`yep`
`00:56.57`	`cladhaire`	`that would be the only change required.`
`00:56.57`	`Iriel`	`using ... for add message will create lots of unnecessary tables`
`00:57.10`	`Iriel`	`But it's more 'future proof'`
`00:57.12`	`cladhaire`	`correct, you'r best using a limited set of arguments.`
`00:57.24`	`Iriel`	`However, add message is called a lot so I'd recommend explicitly listing the args`
`00:57.31`	id``	`k`
`00:59.02`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: and yes, AceHooks gives you the shortcut of letting you just specify the method (of the ace namespace) as a string value for the handler rather than having to address the functino itself.`
`00:59.14`	`cladhaire`	`I misunderstood your question earlier.`
`01:01.14`	`cladhaire`	`Threatening to hack the game is certainly the best way to get something fixed :P http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=294993&p=1&tmp=1#post294993`
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`01:41.04`	`qwxyr`	`I used MoveAnything to change the position of the channeling bar, but it seems like I only moved the frame of the bar?`
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`02:28.36`	`Osagasu`	`What was an odd bug`
`02:29.03`	`Osagasu`	`Every PC was listed as Unknown Entity, all the NPCs were fine, but it wasn't lag because people were moving around`
`03:02.15`	`futrtrubl`	`I love Stargate with mouth.`
`03:23.08`	`SP\|Sorren`	`how do you love stargate with mouth?`
`03:26.23`	`futrtrubl`	`ummmm....`
`03:26.44`	`futrtrubl`	`I'm busy?`
`04:12.48`	`Corrodias`	`futrtrubl, have you looked at the xml and determined if you can make such changes through LUA?`
`04:23.29`	`futrtrubl`	`not yet, moved home last month and things are not yet settled, this is my mothers computer I'm on`
`04:31.20`	`Corrodias`	`using someone else's computer feels to me like using someone else's underwear`
`04:31.55`	`Ktron`	`anyone of you FIRST people (as in the organization, robotics, competition...)`
`04:32.06`	`Ktron`	`or anymore of you`
`04:32.16`	`Ktron`	`heh, anysome`
`04:33.04`	`futrtrubl`	`first people? I'm confused`
`04:33.55`	`futrtrubl`	`and yes, not really comfortable on this comp, plus debugging is a pain since I get 7fps ingame`
`04:33.58`	`Ktron`	`FIRST is an organization, which runs a robotics competition, its mostly us, but it is international, there's some in Europe and South America even`
`04:34.17`	`Ktron`	`(us as U.S.)`
`04:34.28`	`futrtrubl`	`ahhh, as you may have guessed I am not a FIRST person ;']`
`04:34.38`	`Corrodias`	`i'm probably THIRD FROM LAST`
`04:35.16`	`futrtrubl`	`I prefer to play in THIRD person, better situational awareness`
`04:35.55`	`Ktron`	`For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology... heh, Dean Kamen, if that rings any bells, (mostly recently invested segway? the two wheel thing?) started it like 14 years ago to try to get HS kids into science more`
`04:50.25`	`Corrodias`	`now this is an interesting site: quotes from people who obviously didn't realize what it means to roll on a pvp server. [warning: excessive profanity] http://utterwizardry.com/angwe/quotes.htm`
`04:55.44`	`SP\|Sorren`	`quick poll: Favorite idling location?`
`04:55.59`	`Tain`	`Bathroom?`
`04:56.01`	`SP\|Sorren`	`okay, maybe not so quick.`
`04:56.06`	`SP\|Sorren`	`in wow ;p`
`04:56.10`	`Tain`	`Oh.`
`04:56.13`	`Tain`	`That's different.`
`04:56.18`	`SP\|Sorren`	`yes. i imagine so.`
`04:56.23`	`Tain`	`I don't idle in WoW. heh`
`04:56.24`	`SP\|Sorren`	`it's tough to find a latrine in wow.`
`04:56.29`	`Tain`	`I log in to test addons.`
`04:56.30`	`Corrodias`	`i.. don't idle in wow because ET apparently disconnects you after about 10 minutes`
`04:56.30`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i know of only one in fact.`
`04:56.48`	`SP\|Sorren`	`where do you test code then?`
`04:56.59`	`Corrodias`	`you only get somewhere in the range of 10-20 minutes of idling`
`04:57.05`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i miss ffxi where you could find a spot and idle forever`
`04:57.10`	`SP\|Sorren`	`its a half hour`
`04:57.12`	`SP\|Sorren`	`but yah :P`
`04:57.30`	`Corrodias`	`half hour? are you sure? but if i'm testing things, then wherever i'm standing at the time`
`04:57.43`	`SP\|Sorren`	`im pretty sure it's a half hour`
`04:57.43`	`Corrodias`	`more often than otherwise i guess it'd be in Orgrimmar`
`04:59.10`	`Tain`	`Oh I test code wherever I can log on to a server with the lowest queue.`
`04:59.19`	`Tain`	`Unless it's class specific.`
`04:59.25`	`SP\|Sorren`	`ah.`
`04:59.56`	`Corrodias`	`wow, on angwe's server, GMs actually talk to you? or maybe this was months ago`
`05:00.24`	`Tain`	`In the past though I've probably had many characters logged out in Ironforge or Ogrimmar, just because I spent so much time playing the Auction House.`
`05:01.26`	`SP\|Sorren`	`GMs talk to you`
`05:01.36`	`SP\|Sorren`	`they're pretty nice, if you ask them something they can actually help you with`
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`05:02.21`	`SP\|Sorren`	`they piss my guild off to no end though, last night the stupid gong in ZG wouldn't work ofr the panther boss, waited over 4 hours for a gm before we all called it quits`
`05:02.26`	`Kaelten`	`who's Varimathras?`
`05:02.29`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ`
`05:02.33`	`SP\|Sorren`	`dude in undercity`
`05:02.36`	`SP\|Sorren`	`dread lord`
`05:02.39`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`05:02.40`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i think`
`05:02.42`	`Corrodias`	`the gong problem in ZG is pretty well known by now :D`
`05:02.58`	`Kaelten`	`I got this when logging into wow "Tip: A priest, a paladin and Varimathras walk into a bar..."`
`05:03.06`	`Corrodias`	`there's also a snake boss, i hear, who can hit you with chain lightning or something from any range`
`05:03.16`	`Corrodias`	`and Onyxia might have a bug where she won't move in the 3rd stage`
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`05:10.10`	`futrtrubl`	`well, my attempt at making a glass rod type status bar failed miserably`
`05:11.32`	`Corrodias`	`what is a status bar?`
`05:11.49`	`Corrodias`	`i remember seeing an option in the interface options about text on the status bar but i don't recall seeing such a thing`
`05:12.34`	`futrtrubl`	`a status bar is any bar that fills up, like health/mana bars, casting bar, xp bar`
`05:13.20`	`Corrodias`	`oOoOoOoh.`
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`05:14.15`	`Corrodias`	`how about making interface textures in the theme of a stained glass window of RAPTOR JESUS`
`05:16.05`	`futrtrubl`	`I'm not going to attempt anything that amitious. but that would be double hard if, like I do, you want to be able to color the glass within the game. Glass never looks right then`
`05:17.15`	`futrtrubl`	`You'ld have to make 2 textures, on is the glass with its internal reflections, and then the other being external reflections over it`
`05:17.52`	`Corrodias`	`when i pwn a noob i wanna hear abusive jesus say "IS THAT WHA'CHOO GOT, PENDEJO?"`
`05:18.13`	`futrtrubl`	`that's easy enough ;']`
`05:18.31`	`Corrodias`	`and buddy christ will give me the thumbs up`
`05:18.42`	`futrtrubl`	`not so easy ;']`
`05:18.43`	`Corrodias`	`i'll be like the freakin' pope in there`
`05:20.17`	`Corrodias`	`i'm just joking. i'm funny, see.`
`05:36.57`	`SP\|Sorren`	`is nulkris still working on his wow ui designer?`
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`05:49.29`	`dukeku`	`In the end, we will get to see chrono, vael, ony, azu and someone from the green flight drinking tea at the silithus gate discussing the last Lakers match.`
`05:49.30`	`dukeku`	`hahaha`
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`06:05.05`	`Maldivia`	`zeeg ?`
`06:08.16`	`zeeg`	`hola`
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`06:11.41`	`zeeg`	`Maldivia, did you see the changes to the item db so far?`
`06:11.51`	`Maldivia`	`no ?`
`06:11.55`	`zeeg`	`http://www.wowguru.com/db/items/7/`
`06:11.57`	`zeeg`	`gimme more suggestions`
`06:12.04`	`zeeg`	`all item areas with a table should show similar now`
`06:12.05`	`Maldivia`	`have you seen: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wareffort/servers.html`
`06:12.14`	`zeeg`	`ya i saw`
`06:12.14`	`zeeg`	`:(`
`06:12.54`	`zeeg`	`http://www.wowguru.com/db/mobs/id14834/`
`06:13.08`	`zeeg`	`in comparison`
`06:13.09`	`Maldivia`	`looks nice`
`06:13.14`	`zeeg`	`my mob pages beat thott and alla, i would say`
`06:13.21`	`zeeg`	`the item pages aren't quite equiv yet though, i have to get enchantment info up`
`06:14.17`	`Maldivia`	`well, your "mob drops" table is still small compared to thott and allakhzam :)`
`06:14.34`	`zeeg`	`ya right now`
`06:14.50`	`zeeg`	`it'll become tabs when it gets large (tabs being item quality)`
`06:14.50`	`Maldivia`	`For instance - you listed Hakkar - and his Heart isn't even on the list :)`
`06:14.54`	`Maldivia`	`and it's a 100% drop :)`
`06:15.08`	`zeeg`	`i dont suppose you know vb.net? :)`
`06:15.36`	`Maldivia`	`havne't coded VB in... ohh 10 years`
`06:15.39`	`zeeg`	`darn`
`06:15.56`	`Maldivia`	`lately, it's been mostly Java and C#`
`06:16.08`	`zeeg`	`oo c#`
`06:16.15`	`zeeg`	`supposably vb.net can be converted to c#.net`
`06:19.42`	`Corrodias`	`boy, i'm having a strange problem`
`06:20.01`	`Corrodias`	`on the "rotate" buttons in the dressing room, i cannot click the center, but only the top or bottom edges`
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`06:21.01`	`Maldivia`	`I have the same problem with the auction close button :)`
`06:21.17`	`Corrodias`	`i think i know what's happening`
`06:21.31`	`Corrodias`	`my mouse can't act on ANYTHING in that particular strip`
`06:21.45`	`Corrodias`	`i wonder if there's an invisible frame there with enableMouse="true"`
`06:21.50`	`Depherios`	`likely`
`06:22.06`	`Depherios`	`that have some random textbox with no text shown`
`06:22.14`	`Depherios`	`... and I end up with a weird space I can't click on XD`
`06:22.25`	`Maldivia`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:22.29`	`Corrodias`	`i'm using CT_UnitFrames, maybe it's a similar problem`
`06:22.30`	`Corrodias`	`thanks`
`06:23.03`	`Depherios`	`doubt it's CT.... DUF is people (not often bright people) usually people who have NO IDEA about how this stuf works... making frames XD`
`06:23.07`	`Corrodias`	`it's my Notepad plugin`
`06:23.10`	`Corrodias`	`*addon`
`06:23.14`	`Depherios`	`ahh`
`06:24.24`	`Corrodias`	`it has a list of buttons on the left side, each a different note`
`06:24.42`	`Corrodias`	`the first button's area remains unclickable even when notepad is hidden`
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`06:29.06`	`zeetg`	`Maldivia, i dont think i can msg you`
`06:29.07`	`zeetg`	`lol`
`06:29.18`	`Maldivia`	`ehh, ok ?`
`06:29.19`	`zeetg`	`one sec`
`06:29.24`	`zeetg`	`ill register zeeg as soon as it times out`
`06:29.40`	`Maldivia`	`ohh, you can't /msg on this server without registering ?`
`06:29.57`	`Corrodias`	`when you close it, it calls NotepadFrame:Hide();...`
`06:30.00`	`zeetg`	`right`
`06:30.25`	`Maldivia`	`lame :)`
`06:31.14`	`Corrodias`	`which contains a frame that contains a scrollframe that contains the button that i can't click through even when Hide() is called`
`06:31.31`	`Corrodias`	`er, minus the scrollframe part`
`06:31.55`	`zeetg`	`msg me the link`
`06:31.56`	`zeetg`	`:P`
`06:32.06`	`Corrodias`	`unless the button is a frame. i guess it is. so it's a direct child of the frame being Hide()'d`
`06:35.18`	`Maldivia`	`haven't accedentially used MoveAnything on it, so it's parent has been changed or something ?`
`06:35.48`	`Corrodias`	`no.. actually it had no parent, i was just defined within the notepadframe. i set parent="NotepadFrame" and reloaded but it didn't help`
`06:36.05`	`Corrodias`	`i->it, which probably means its parent was implicitly NotepadFrame already`
`06:36.31`	`Maldivia`	`tried to do a /dump [framename]:GetParent():GetName()`
`06:36.52`	`Maldivia`	`to see if it actually has a parent - and which, if so`
`06:37.50`	`Corrodias`	`it is NotepadFrame, indeed`
`06:38.08`	`Maldivia`	`weird`
`06:38.10`	`Corrodias`	`NotepadFrame:Hide() makes NotepadEntry1 invisible, but you can't click through it anyway >_>`
`06:38.47`	`Corrodias`	`and it receives a click event. you can change to that note while it's hidden all right`
`06:39.12`	`Corrodias`	`running Hide() on it directly doesn't help`
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`06:50.18`	`Osagasu`	`O.O`
`06:52.28`	`Corrodias`	`guess i'll just use another notepad addon or something... although i really liked that one`
`06:53.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`anyone know what I can throw in an if Staement to check if Titan is loaded`
`06:53.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`?`
`06:53.49`	`Corrodias`	`maybe if (TitanPanel) ?`
`06:54.05`	`Corrodias`	`that might be nil until it loads`
`06:54.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`so.. someone who's done it b4?`
`06:54.15`	`Depherios`	`uh`
`06:54.22`	`Depherios`	`run a check as though it was a registered titan addon`
`06:54.25`	`Depherios`	`maybe`
`06:54.35`	`Corrodias`	`:P well, that's how you tell if the person -has- the addon, anyway`
`06:54.59`	`Maldivia`	`if TitanSettings then ... end ?`
`06:55.05`	`Corrodias`	`an optional dependency will ensure you load after if applicable. then you could use if (TitanPanel) or whatever`
`06:55.06`	`Maldivia`	`TitanSettings is the Titan saved variable :)`
`06:55.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`k`
`06:55.59`	`Corrodias`	`every addon is an object in the GNS whose name matches the directory name, right?`
`06:56.14`	`Corrodias`	`or *has a reference might be more appropriate`
`06:56.40`	`Corrodias`	`maybe not`
`06:56.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`no`
`06:58.31`	`Maldivia`	`AnduinLothar: btw - a nicer solution than the id TitanSettings then ... would be: if IsAddOnLoaded("Titan") then`
`06:58.36`	`Corrodias`	`well, aren't i silly. Titan just defines all its functions globally so it doesn't need anything`
`06:59.14`	`Osagasu`	`Hehe Daph`
`06:59.21`	`Osagasu`	`*Deph`
`06:59.32`	`AnduinLothar`	`right`
`06:59.44`	`Maldivia`	`Corrodias: most mods do :)`
`06:59.50`	`Osagasu`	`I went to two towns today.`
`07:00.17`	`Corrodias`	`interesting. well, in lieu of trying to figure out why i can click on a hidden frame, i'll now evaluate other notepad addons`
`07:00.47`	`Osagasu`	`Oh Anduin... any idea why MobileFrames hasll the Blizzard UI Addons in its Deps? There was to be ways around it so you don't have to, no?`
`07:00.54`	`Osagasu`	`*has all`
`07:01.00`	`Osagasu`	`*has`
`07:08.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh, probably. It's just not readily apparent to me, since the current method has all the buttons defined in xml and thus throws errors if they aren't loaded`
`07:10.08`	`Osagasu`	`The best solutions are almost never apparent, else we would all use them`
`07:12.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`well the best solution would be to rewrite it all, but it's not on the top of my y prioreties and I think i'd rather wait for 1.10`
`07:12.39`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`07:12.47`	`Depherios`	`who is the master`
`07:13.10`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i want a cat ;o`
`07:13.18`	`SP\|Sorren`	`we've got rats too, too bad my roommate is allergic to em`
`07:14.21`	`Osagasu`	`Damn cat.`
`07:15.10`	`Osagasu`	`Ah well until you fix it I guess I gotta find something that will let me move my casting bar. Everything else I can deal with... but ITs taking up too much memory for things I never use`
`07:16.17`	`Corrodias`	`you could use a casting bar replacement..`
`07:16.30`	`Depherios`	`... wait... MF will move the bar?`
`07:16.32`	`Depherios`	`screw that`
`07:16.46`	`Corrodias`	`i have a nifty one that uses the tooltip border, it's really cute`
`07:17.34`	`Osagasu`	`Linky, Corr?`
`07:17.52`	`Depherios`	`just gave it a graphic border and resized/moved it XD`
`07:17.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`yes, MF lets u move the casting bar`
`07:18.42`	`Corrodias`	`hold up`
`07:19.11`	`Corrodias`	`http://www2.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2156`
`07:19.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`that will too`
`07:19.29`	`Corrodias`	`and you can change enablemouse in the xml to false if you want to click through it`
`07:23.25`	`Osagasu`	`Corr`
`07:23.27`	`Osagasu`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1527`
`07:23.36`	`Osagasu`	`Similar, but updated more recently`
`07:24.22`	`Corrodias`	`excellent..`
`07:24.24`	`Depherios`	`I had problems with eCastingBars mirror bar a few times (leading to my drowning)`
`07:24.36`	`Depherios`	`so I've been hesitant to go back XD`
`07:24.47`	`Osagasu`	`hehe`
`07:25.45`	`Corrodias`	`i'll give it a try~`
`07:28.49`	`Corrodias`	`as for a notepad, i'll just try to fix Notepad by changing the anchor from the scrollframe to the main frame... and figure out the right offset...`
`07:30.13`	`Ktron`	`night everyone`
`07:30.16`	`Ktron`	`purl, night`
`07:30.23`	`purl`	`G'night ktron, get out of here.`
`07:30.23`	`Corrodias`	`well, that worked, for some reason.`
`07:30.23`	`Corrodias`	`'ni`
`07:30.23`	`Depherios`	`G"night`
`07:32.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`there we go, built in Titan Support to Wardrobe`
`07:32.53`	`AnduinLothar`	`wasn't working with the old TitanWardrobe cause of my OOing`
`07:33.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`tho titan's still evil and screws with MobileFrames. it's "Do not arange UI" doesn't work`
`07:35.54`	`Osagasu`	`ITs Perfect`
`07:36.12`	`Osagasu`	`It fits in EXACTLY in the spot I wanted it put`
`07:36.17`	`Osagasu`	`like a jigsaw piece`
`07:36.25`	`Osagasu`	`only... rectangular.`
`07:37.22`	`Corrodias`	`i like eCastingBar now.`
`07:37.40`	`Corrodias`	`i read something about FlightMap support. does it change the in flight timer bar, too?`
`07:38.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`bastard, replace hooks UIParent_ManageRightSideFrames... EVIL`
`07:44.22`	`Depherios`	`Why the hell did WoW name the WTF folder.... WTF? XD`
`07:47.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`to make you go ... WTF? XD`
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`08:06.12`	`Griddlebone`	`Evening all.`
`08:14.07`	`Depherios`	`ello`
`08:24.16`	`Griddlebone`	`How are you doing tonight Depherios?`
`08:24.42`	`Depherios`	`ehh... pretty good I guess... got screwed by Dell... but that's life`
`08:29.49`	`Griddlebone`	`Ouch...`
`08:30.11`	`Depherios`	`heh, I'm on an HP right now`
`08:30.16`	`Depherios`	`Mom got a Dell`
`08:30.23`	`Depherios`	`so... of course, I'm tech support right? XD`
`08:30.36`	`Depherios`	`and yeah... they're jerks`
`08:30.37`	`Griddlebone`	`Work would have gotten me a discount on a Dell, but I couldn't find one that I liked.`
`08:33.43`	`Griddlebone`	`Depherios, do you know the Blizzard XML code at all? I have questions... many MANY questions... and I'm having a hard time finding a step-by-step walk through online.`
`08:33.58`	`Depherios`	`XML is the one thing about WoW's code I DO understand XD`
`08:34.21`	`Griddlebone`	`...oh great sage of wisdom, please teach me?`
`08:34.24`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`08:34.27`	`Depherios`	`I'm not wise`
`08:34.31`	`Depherios`	`I just get XML`
`08:34.43`	`Depherios`	`Honestly, half the stuff you'll ask me, I'll have to look up, I have a terrible memory`
`08:34.46`	`Griddlebone`	`Right... okay, oh great sage of XML, please teach me...`
`08:34.49`	`Depherios`	`but I know where to look ^_^`
`08:35.00`	`Depherios`	`whatcha need to know? XD`
`08:35.33`	`Depherios`	`best thing you can do, is stare at the blizzard code, if you extract that... it's commented pretty well... or find addons that are well commented`
`08:35.54`	`Depherios`	`most things are named precisely what they are`
`08:35.54`	`Griddlebone`	`Well, to be honest I need to everything I think. I'm trying to create a button addon that uses background art, and can't even make the background art show up (haven't reached the button programming part yet).`
`08:36.17`	`Depherios`	`ouch`
`08:36.36`	`Griddlebone`	`I've been doing that (tearing apart addons to learn), but I'm not the fastest person around some times. -_-;`
`08:36.46`	`Depherios`	`ditto >_<`
`08:37.52`	`Griddlebone`	`Right now I'm just trying to create the parent frame (that the buttons will be inside of) with the artwork, but even that isn't showing up. Please help?`
`08:37.55`	`Depherios`	`you can always wait until 1.10 when LUA can create frames so you don't even need XML!`
`08:38.39`	`Depherios`	`sorry I'm in and out... saying g'night to the GF`
`08:38.49`	`Griddlebone`	`I don't want to wait that long. ^_^`
`08:38.53`	`Depherios`	`(in another chat window)`
`08:39.02`	`Griddlebone`	`Good excuse to not reply quickly. :D`
`08:39.09`	`Depherios`	`XD`
`08:40.05`	`Depherios`	`well, are you getting the actual frame to appear okay? -- or for that matter, the addon?`
`08:40.28`	`Griddlebone`	`The addon loads without error currently, and other parts work okay.`
`08:40.40`	`Griddlebone`	`And no, I can't get the frame with artwork to appear.`
`08:40.49`	`Depherios`	`I mean, is the frame there WITHOUT artwork?`
`08:40.59`	`Griddlebone`	`I have no idea...`
`08:41.27`	`Griddlebone`	`Um... want me to post the code I'm using?`
`08:41.31`	`Depherios`	`sure XD`
`08:41.39`	`Depherios`	`sorry... changing plans with GF for tomorrow... long goodnight`
`08:41.47`	`Depherios`	`and I'm all brain-fluffed`
`08:41.55`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:41.55`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:41.55`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:41.55`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:41.55`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:41.56`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:41.58`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:42.00`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:42.02`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:42.04`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:42.06`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:42.18`	`Griddlebone`	`function MyExtraBarOnLoad()`
`08:42.18`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:42.18`	`Griddlebone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:42.18`	`Griddlebone`	`end`
`08:43.10`	`Depherios`	`what's the art you're using?`
`08:43.22`	`Griddlebone`	`A .TGA file`
`08:43.24`	`Depherios`	`because that looks... um... fine`
`08:43.33`	`Depherios`	`I mean... is it from Blizz? or custom?`
`08:43.49`	`Griddlebone`	`It's a copy/paste edit of one of Blizzards generic bars.`
`08:45.44`	`Depherios`	`..... I've never tried putting up a bar without anchors to start with... have you?`
`08:45.55`	`Depherios`	`where is everybody who knows more than me sigh`
`08:46.08`	`Griddlebone`	`I wouldn't know if it was an issue or not... bleah I created the image using GIMP, and saved it as a TarGA image.`
`08:46.33`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge [MoonWolf] (n=moonwolf@ip51ccaa81.speed.planet.nl)`
`08:46.45`	`Depherios`	`Try setting something elses texture to be that texture XD`
`08:47.15`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Texture hooking :P`
`08:47.19`	`Griddlebone`	`That would be ugly, but okay, I'll give it a try. Be back in a moment.`
`08:47.37`	`Depherios`	`Griddle is having problems with the XML end of things...`
`08:48.03`	`Depherios`	`(in XML, LUA, or anything but HTML, honestly)`
`08:49.22`	`SP\|Sorren`	`hmm`
`08:49.41`	`Depherios`	`yay more smart people... and sayiing "hmm!"`
`08:49.41`	`Griddlebone`	`Okay, tried replacing one of the MainMenuBarEndCaps with the image file... it's the wrong dimensions, but something should show up, yes? Nothing did.`
`08:49.45`	`SP\|Sorren`	`would the only way to wait 0.02 seoconds be to use OnUpdate?`
`08:49.54`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i have my own questions!`
`08:49.54`	`SP\|Sorren`	`:p`
`08:49.55`	`Depherios`	`aww`
`08:50.04`	`Depherios`	`nobody seems to be here who's smart... just dumb old me`
`08:50.25`	`SP\|Sorren`	`what do you need help with :P`
`08:50.25`	`Depherios`	`not me ^_^`
`08:50.25`	`Depherios`	`but I think I've found the problem`
`08:50.28`	`SP\|Sorren`	`ah`
`08:50.32`	`Depherios`	`did the cap go blank Griddle?`
`08:50.36`	`Depherios`	`or just not change?`
`08:50.51`	`Griddlebone`	`It was blank.`
`08:50.56`	`Depherios`	`yeah, it's your graphic`
`08:51.05`	`Griddlebone`	`Ug.`
`08:51.08`	`Depherios`	`your frame is probably there just fine, but WoW hates your graphic`
`08:51.35`	`Griddlebone`	`Okay, so I need to make a new grahic then.`
`08:51.36`	`Depherios`	`if you'd like, send it to me, I'll get it to work... or look up or ask somewhere else how to get it right with GIMP`
`08:51.39`	`Depherios`	`oh!`
`08:51.45`	`Depherios`	`what's your graphic's dimensions?`
`08:51.51`	`SP\|Sorren`	`^`
`08:51.58`	`Depherios`	`no... wait... then it'd be a green box ^_^`
`08:52.06`	`Griddlebone`	`width=505 depth=43`
`08:52.10`	`Depherios`	`oh yeah`
`08:52.11`	`Depherios`	`that's the problem`
`08:52.24`	`Depherios`	`it has to be base 4.. so 8, 16, 32, 64`
`08:52.24`	`SP\|Sorren`	`wow is finicky w/ graphics dimensions`
`08:52.37`	`Depherios`	`128, 256, 512`
`08:52.56`	`Depherios`	`and generally no larger than 512 by 512 for full compatibility`
`08:53.28`	`Griddlebone`	`Oh... I didn't know that. Hmm... now I need to figure out how to do transparent colors in GIMP.`
`08:53.38`	`Depherios`	`you can just clip the texture`
`08:55.04`	`Depherios`	`bah... I forget the XML end code for clipping.... >_<`
`08:56.32`	`Depherios`	`there's http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetTexCoord`
`08:56.50`	`Griddlebone`	`Aha! It shows now! And there was much rejoicing!`
`08:57.12`	`Depherios`	`^_^`
`08:57.48`	`Griddlebone`	`I resized the canvas to 512x64 and told it to autocenter... it put transparency in automatically to fill in the extra space. ^_^`
`08:58.00`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`08:58.11`	`Depherios`	`make sure that frame's not clickable then`
`08:58.19`	`Griddlebone`	`Also changed my frame size to 512x64 so I didn't have to play with offset yet.`
`08:59.07`	`Depherios`	`heh, that was what I did at first too... easier on the brain... I'm starting to get the hang of this stuff now though... I think... BAH I thought there was an XML end for SetTexCoord D:`
`08:59.15`	`Griddlebone`	`I don't think it is... am I wrong? I posted all the code I'm using so far...`
`08:59.30`	`Depherios`	`Hm? your XML was fine`
`09:00.03`	`Griddlebone`	`Oh good. ^_^ Now I just need to add the end art to the frame, and start the button programming.`
`09:00.05`	`Depherios`	`I guess there isn't any`
`09:00.21`	`Depherios`	`Glad I could help ^_^ makes me feel better about my day`
`09:00.26`	`Griddlebone`	`Heh.`
`09:00.40`	`Griddlebone`	`Do I need to make additional frames for end art?`
`09:00.45`	`Depherios`	`(which was... meh) knowing I see my GF tomorrow (when I wasn't going to) helps my mood too`
`09:00.59`	`Depherios`	`everything that shows up, needs to have a frame`
`09:01.13`	`Depherios`	`you can make end art part of the original texture, or add two frames`
`09:01.34`	`Depherios`	`Blizz uses seperate frames, I believe, because they were going to make them change, more than anything else`
`09:01.43`	`Depherios`	`(for their ends)`
`09:01.50`	`Griddlebone`	`Hmm... I think I'll add the two extra frames, so they can be removed or changed later if wished.`
`09:01.58`	`Depherios`	`god... I need to go back to school to learn how to talk`
`09:02.16`	`Depherios`	`no really XD I'm getting terrible`
`09:03.33`	`Depherios`	`w00t!`
`09:03.34`	`Depherios`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:03.34`	`Depherios`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:05.32`	`Depherios`	`oh great... what's "orientation" vertical?`
`09:05.57`	`Griddlebone`	`He he he`
`09:06.34`	`Depherios`	`wow`
`09:06.37`	`Depherios`	`vertical did work`
`09:06.39`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge [MoonWolf] (n=moonwolf@ip51ccaa81.speed.planet.nl)`
`09:06.58`	`Depherios`	`that... is an incredibly nice effect... that has no practical use! woo!`
`09:08.27`	`Griddlebone`	`Don't worry, you'll wake up in three weeks, destroying any possibility of a good nights sleep, with an awesome idea of how to do SOMETHING with it. XD`
`09:08.44`	`Depherios`	`which is why I'm glad I discovered it XD`
`09:09.05`	`Depherios`	`sadly I already thought of a good use for it`
`09:09.11`	`Depherios`	`for me... not for anybody else though`
`09:10.27`	`Griddlebone`	`Question... are you only able to declair one master FRAME per .xml document?`
`09:11.22`	`Depherios`	`hmm... dunno O_o I think so... everything else becomes <Frames> -- try it though... XD`
`09:12.50`	`Griddlebone`	`Well, I have 3 main <Frame> areas now (for all three pieces of art) and it's saying that the second one doesn't exist when I try to Show() it.`
`09:13.10`	`Depherios`	`but the third does?`
`09:13.36`	`Griddlebone`	`Don't know, it stops reading the file at that point I think.`
`09:13.40`	`Depherios`	`oh`
`09:14.01`	`Depherios`	`yeah ten use <Frames><Frame name=""></Frame></Frames>`
`09:14.05`	`Depherios`	`*then`
`09:17.48`	`Griddlebone`	`Okay, I put a <Frames name="MyExtraBarMasterFrame"> </Frames> around all three of the <Frame>, and no nothing is showing up.`
`09:18.03`	`Depherios`	`not Frames name... just Frames`
`09:18.09`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge pagefault (i=pagefaul@67.71.44.209)`
`09:18.45`	`Depherios`	`... like <Frame name ="THEframe"> <Frames> <Frame name="SubFrame"></Frame></Frames></Frame>`
`09:21.23`	`Depherios`	`well... no... the worst person ONLINE at explaining things... I'm much better when I can wave my arms around`
`09:22.14`	`Corrodias`	`wait, no..`
`09:22.29`	`Depherios`	`OMG people O_o`
`09:22.38`	`Corrodias`	`are you sure you put <frames> inside a <frame>? i don't want to open an xml to check`
`09:22.53`	`Depherios`	`I do O_o... Blizzard does`
`09:23.23`	`Depherios`	`I did open an XML to check`
`09:23.25`	`Depherios`	`<Frame name="MainMenuBar" toplevel="true" enableMouse="true" parent="UIParent">`
`09:23.25`	`Depherios`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:23.25`	`Depherios`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:24.08`	`Depherios`	`can you just START with <Frames>? -- I never have... it'd make sense if you could though`
`09:24.20`	`Corrodias`	`can't hurt, then`
`09:25.07`	`Corrodias`	`damn mainmenubar`
`09:25.24`	`Corrodias`	`modifying that framexml is so satisfying... i really hope we can do it in 1.10`
`09:26.04`	`Depherios`	`I haven't had the MainMenuBar showing since my first few days playing WoW XD`
`09:26.37`	`Depherios`	`as a hotkey freak... all those extra buttons are just silly, lol`
`09:31.05`	`SP\|Sorren`	`quick question`
`09:31.12`	`SP\|Sorren`	`if you specify an addon as an optional dep`
`09:31.16`	`SP\|Sorren`	`it will always load after that addon right?`
`09:31.24`	`Depherios`	`yeah`
`09:31.30`	`Depherios`	`well... I know`
`09:31.36`	`SP\|Sorren`	`it's ADDON_LOADED will be called after the optional dep's ADDON_LOADED?`
`09:31.59`	`Depherios`	`... all I know is they load after them if they're NEXT in line (just by looking at my keybindings order)`
`09:32.14`	`Depherios`	`not sure if it checks first, and bumps them back`
`09:32.19`	`Depherios`	`probably though`
`09:32.22`	`Griddlebone`	`Still can't get the end cap artwork to show up... grrrr`
`09:34.13`	`Griddlebone`	`Mind if I post my XML file again (spamming the channel) ?`
`09:34.25`	`SP\|Sorren`	`use pastebin`
`09:34.46`	`SP\|Sorren`	`http://pastebin.com/`
`09:35.21`	`Depherios`	`yay pastebin ^_^`
`09:36.03`	`Griddlebone`	`http://pastebin.com/494651`
`09:36.06`	`Griddlebone`	`^_^`
`09:36.13`	`Griddlebone`	`I need to bookmark that place.`
`09:37.04`	`Depherios`	`just try taking or commenting out <Frame name="MyExtraBarMasterFrame"> and it's close`
`09:37.55`	`Griddlebone`	`Wait... you said to add in that master frame level...`
`09:38.17`	`Depherios`	`well, I've never personally not had it there... but I've never used it the way you did either (it's a parent frame usually with me)`
`09:38.23`	`Depherios`	`not just...... a frame`
`09:39.53`	`SP\|Sorren`	`just use your 3 separate frames ;o`
`09:40.01`	`SP\|Sorren`	`unless you plan to do something w/ that frame`
`09:40.15`	`Depherios`	`can you have multiple root <frame>'s?`
`09:40.21`	`Griddlebone`	`If I remove the first frame then nothing shows up... I don't think it likes starting with <Frames>`
`09:41.30`	`SP\|Sorren`	`you can have as many root frames as you want o.O`
`09:41.48`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i would go mad if i had to put everything into a master frame :O`
`09:41.48`	`Griddlebone`	`Yay! *goes and dumps the master frame and frames`
`09:41.57`	`Depherios`	`listen to them! they know what they're talking about cowers behind SP\|Sorren`
`09:42.05`	`SP\|Sorren`	`lol`
`09:42.20`	`SP\|Sorren`	`im not very responsive because im trying to get my own addon to listen to me, but its being full of hate`
`09:43.01`	`SP\|Sorren`	`8)`
`09:43.07`	`SP\|Sorren`	`well now you know!`
`09:43.42`	`SP\|Sorren`	`griddle what exactly are you trying to do o.O`
`09:43.58`	`SP\|Sorren`	`your textures are just kinda floating around, do you want to line em up and stuff?`
`09:44.23`	`Griddlebone`	`I'm creating an addon that puts 12 extra buttons above the MainMenuBar, but wanted them to have some nice art as well.`
`09:44.46`	`Griddlebone`	`Nope, this time I KNOW it isn't the grphic files. ^_^`
`09:44.58`	`Griddlebone`	`grphic = graphic`
`09:45.08`	`Depherios`	`direct copies of blizz'?`
`09:45.12`	`SP\|Sorren`	`they dont show up or wha?`
`09:45.25`	`Griddlebone`	`No, but I was using them earlier, so I know that they work.`
`09:45.33`	`Depherios`	`ahh`
`09:45.46`	`Depherios`	`noshows`
`09:45.46`	`Griddlebone`	`Just a sec...`
`09:46.25`	`SP\|Sorren`	`rofl, man i hate it when i do this`
`09:46.35`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i just spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out why my changes werent working`
`09:46.39`	`SP\|Sorren`	`turns out i forgot to save`
`09:46.41`	`SP\|Sorren`	`><`
`09:47.37`	`Griddlebone`	`http://pastebin.com/494663 <-- Updated.`
`09:48.14`	`Griddlebone`	`I'm getting an error message in the LUA code saying that MyExtraBarLeftCapFrame isn't a valid item.`
`09:48.30`	`Griddlebone`	`But I have an idea...`
`09:49.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`Wardrobe: http://www.wowguru.com/ui/203/wardrobeal/`
`09:49.15`	`SP\|Sorren`	`right now your code has parents`
`09:49.20`	`SP\|Sorren`	`but your parent doesnt exist`
`09:49.30`	`SP\|Sorren`	`so i think theoretically the children dont exist`
`09:49.43`	`SP\|Sorren`	`so change the parent tag to UIParent or something or remove it ;P`
`09:49.43`	`Griddlebone`	`Well, the first one shows up fine...`
`09:50.09`	`Depherios`	`set the other two's parent to be MyExtraBarFrame anyway... and take out the first parent... IMHO`
`09:50.31`	`SP\|Sorren`	`are you sure its not that the first one just shows up on top of the second?`
`09:51.38`	`Griddlebone`	`Aha!`
`09:52.18`	`Griddlebone`	`I was right. The first of the three frames has an OnLoad call to show the other two, before they have been read by the system (I think). It was a timing issue.`
`09:53.36`	`SP\|Sorren`	`ah 8)`
`09:54.25`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ForgottenLords (n=Forgotte@059.216-123-195-0.interbaun.com)`
`10:03.12`	`Griddlebone`	`http://tabyk.net/~tabitha/MySimpleUI_Test1.jpg`
`10:03.23`	`Griddlebone`	`Now I just have to make the buttons WORK. XD`
`10:03.41`	`Depherios`	`buttons are pretty easy, just jack code from Blizz's UI XD`
`10:04.49`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i would just get flexbar and space them to fit lol`
`10:05.02`	`Depherios`	`that's what they tell me anyway`
`10:05.18`	`SP\|Sorren`	`are you going to mirror the server based buttons or try to make your own?`
`10:05.29`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i dont think anyone makes their own real buttons ;P`
`10:05.33`	`Depherios`	`I did`
`10:05.38`	`SP\|Sorren`	`oh?`
`10:05.39`	`Griddlebone`	`I've been using FlexBar for a bit now, but I'm wanting to move away from it for a while. I've recently been having a lot of issues with it... mostly it being unable to keep up with what is happening in game.`
`10:05.52`	`SP\|Sorren`	`oh?`
`10:05.59`	`Depherios`	`Heal Pot, Mana Pot, Food, Drink and Bandage`
`10:06.13`	`SP\|Sorren`	`you tinker with your event settings?`
`10:06.19`	`Depherios`	`Turned down the performance options?`
`10:06.54`	`Griddlebone`	`I've tried that, Depherious. Didn't help much.`
`10:07.31`	`Griddlebone`	`Oh probably, but I'm just wanting to make something that is simple and easy for a new person to use, while also looking nice.`
`10:07.35`	`SP\|Sorren`	`what does flexbar screw up for you o.O`
`10:07.59`	`Depherios`	`I've been having problems lately too actually :P`
`10:08.06`	`Depherios`	`my SW:P button keeps sticking GREY`
`10:08.48`	`SP\|Sorren`	`wierd`
`10:09.01`	`Depherios`	`only when the low mana color pops up though`
`10:09.06`	`SP\|Sorren`	`meh, i only have like 10 buttons showing anyway`
`10:09.16`	`SP\|Sorren`	`8)`
`10:09.18`	`Depherios`	`wat class? XD`
`10:09.22`	`SP\|Sorren`	`hunter`
`10:09.34`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i use a whole crapton of buttons`
`10:09.38`	`SP\|Sorren`	`only show about 10 though`
`10:09.41`	`Depherios`	`oh come now, you have to use more..... oh okay XD`
`10:09.45`	`Depherios`	`I only show 15, so I understand XD`
`10:09.50`	`SP\|Sorren`	`as long as it works when i press the keybind`
`10:09.52`	`SP\|Sorren`	`im happy`
`10:09.53`	`SP\|Sorren`	`lol`
`10:09.57`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`10:10.07`	`Depherios`	`I have shift states that swap out my 15 for another 15... I like to watch cooldowns`
`10:10.29`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i wrote a mod to show what was cooling down for me`
`10:10.32`	`Depherios`	`well a shift state... I just switched to a whole new system, still getting used to it`
`10:10.35`	`SP\|Sorren`	`its like a little queue that shows you what skill is up next`
`10:10.40`	`SP\|Sorren`	`:D`
`10:10.41`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`10:10.47`	`Depherios`	`too few of my abilities have cooldowns like that`
`10:11.18`	`SP\|Sorren`	`hunters have a billion tiny cooldowns, so it works for me ;o`
`10:11.23`	`Depherios`	`you have it up somewhere though? -- all the cooldown bar addons I've seen are either too clunky, or too ugly XD`
`10:11.57`	`Depherios`	`... and wtf do you do about instant cast? XD`
`10:12.00`	`SP\|Sorren`	`http://www2.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2819`
`10:12.05`	`SP\|Sorren`	`it doesnt show instant cast`
`10:12.11`	`SP\|Sorren`	`it does however`
`10:12.17`	`SP\|Sorren`	`get all befuddled when you get silenced`
`10:12.22`	`Depherios`	`awwwww :P thats like.... half my cooldowns XD`
`10:12.34`	`SP\|Sorren`	`instant cast?`
`10:13.02`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i hate priests w/ a passion`
`10:13.05`	`Depherios`	`well... and the channeled Mind Flay... and Mana Burn when applicable`
`10:13.11`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i want to get the zg hunter trinket`
`10:13.21`	`SP\|Sorren`	`so i can double aimedshot+multi in six seconds`
`10:13.23`	`SP\|Sorren`	`while you're stunned`
`10:13.25`	`Depherios`	`Druids... ugh...`
`10:13.30`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`10:13.54`	`SP\|Sorren`	`can probably squeeze 3 autoshots in if i time it right`
`10:14.01`	`SP\|Sorren`	`should kill just about anything :O`
`10:14.04`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`10:14.25`	`Depherios`	`Hunters I just try to Mind Flay them and keep in their deadzone... I need to duel more Hunters though... I keep misjudging the deadzone`
`10:14.41`	`Depherios`	`Sweet Sweet Mind Flay :F`
`10:14.53`	`SP\|Sorren`	`you're a shadow priest?`
`10:14.54`	`Depherios`	`silly people tell me to play a Mage... Mages don't get Mind Flay!`
`10:15.04`	`Depherios`	`mhmm`
`10:15.09`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i hate shadow priests :(`
`10:15.22`	`SP\|Sorren`	`one of the two classes that really really owns hunters`
`10:15.24`	`SP\|Sorren`	`1v1`
`10:15.25`	`SP\|Sorren`	`at least`
`10:15.35`	`Depherios`	`yeah... Mind Flay = you're pwned...`
`10:15.42`	`SP\|Sorren`	`meh, its mostly blackout`
`10:15.45`	`Depherios`	`I still suck at using it to stay in your deadzone though, so you'd kill me`
`10:15.48`	`SP\|Sorren`	`if i get blacked out its impossible to recover`
`10:15.54`	`Depherios`	`lol, I have terrible luck with blackout :P`
`10:15.57`	`SP\|Sorren`	`that 2 seconds lost is it`
`10:16.13`	`SP\|Sorren`	`all my stuns in the world cant make up for it :(`
`10:16.19`	`Depherios`	`always procs when I don't want it to... never when I do`
`10:16.25`	`SP\|Sorren`	`since sw:p keeps ticking ;(`
`10:16.38`	`Depherios`	`SW:P You only THOUGHT you got away!`
`10:16.56`	`SP\|Sorren`	`./tuber+combatpot+food`
`10:17.18`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i like to let my pet kill stuff`
`10:17.27`	`SP\|Sorren`	`especially mages, because they whine the most about it`
`10:17.31`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`10:17.49`	`SP\|Sorren`	`feh, i have the speed talent`
`10:18.02`	`SP\|Sorren`	`my pets still rather fast`
`10:18.03`	`Griddlebone`	`So... how does one look at Blizzard's button code to be able to steal from it?`
`10:18.12`	`Depherios`	`Speed talent isn't so bad... not every hunter has it... it just SUCKS when you have 3 or 4 on them...`
`10:18.15`	`SP\|Sorren`	`get a program like winmpq`
`10:18.17`	`Depherios`	`you`
`10:18.20`	`SP\|Sorren`	`and extract it from the patch.mpq`
`10:18.22`	`Depherios`	`Or just look at flexbar`
`10:18.25`	`SP\|Sorren`	`that too`
`10:18.34`	`Depherios`	`Flexbar is well commented... and steals all the blizz code`
`10:18.57`	`Griddlebone`	`Well, since I already have a copy of FlexBar downloaded, that will be easy. ^_^`
`10:19.04`	`SP\|Sorren`	`8)`
`10:19.09`	`Griddlebone`	`Assuming I can FIND the code I need... FlexBar is rather big.`
`10:19.28`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i learned lua from perl's combatstatus!`
`10:19.57`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i miss combatstatus`
`10:20.05`	`SP\|Sorren`	`these HUDs are so much better though lol`
`10:20.17`	`Depherios`	`Griddle: start with the XML`
`10:20.22`	`Depherios`	`I think it references the actions for the buttons`
`10:21.12`	`Depherios`	`Flexbar is like the Blizz UI, very XML oriented`
`10:21.54`	`Depherios`	`i.e. there's a lot of LUA in the XML`
`10:21.57`	`Depherios`	`>_<`
`10:22.55`	`Depherios`	`aww crap`
`10:23.05`	`Depherios`	`I don't want to go to bed D: but I have to be up in 5.5 hours XD`
`10:24.05`	`SP\|Sorren`	`so you have a choice: toss and turn in bed for a little bit and dont feel like complete crap tomorrow`
`10:24.20`	`SP\|Sorren`	`or waste several hours and not sleep and feel like you're going to die for the rest of the day`
`10:24.21`	`SP\|Sorren`	`!`
`10:24.40`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i usually go for the latter.`
`10:25.11`	`Depherios`	`.... how about a little bit of column a, and a little bit of column b, and I go to bed in LESS then several hours... but later than now?`
`10:26.05`	`SP\|Sorren`	`is like less than 4 hours of sleep worth sleeping?`
`10:26.41`	`SP\|Sorren`	`;P`
`10:26.52`	`Depherios`	`4+`
`10:26.55`	`Depherios`	`for me anwyay`
`10:27.01`	`Depherios`	`less than for, but greather than three... no`
`10:27.16`	`Depherios`	`less than three (heh, lol <3) is okay too`
`10:27.31`	`Depherios`	`it's just that slim area, where if I get more than 3, but less than 4 (or thereabouts) I want to die the rest of the day`
`10:28.42`	`SP\|Sorren`	`strange ;o`
`10:28.50`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i find my sleep lasts me linear amounts of time!`
`10:29.04`	`SP\|Sorren`	`so if i sleep 1 hour i can last like 3-4 more before i collapse`
`10:29.09`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`10:29.12`	`SP\|Sorren`	`2 hours i can last 6-8 etc`
`10:29.17`	`Depherios`	`not I`
`10:30.05`	`SP\|Sorren`	`8)`
`10:34.08`	`SP\|Sorren`	`how terrible a game wow is that i need to go to bed so that i can wake up in time for a raid ><`
`10:34.25`	`SP\|Sorren`	`well, nite all ;p`
`10:41.39`	`Depherios`	`G'night`
`10:41.53`	`Griddlebone`	`Good night Depherios, and thank you for all the help. ^_^`
`10:42.00`	`Depherios`	`Eh... I tried ^_^`
`10:42.10`	`Depherios`	`Good luck, looks good`
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`12:50.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`morning legorol`
`12:50.37`	`Legorol`	`good afternoon`
`12:51.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`I'm writing up a spec for the new addon manager, i'll run it past you before I send it to the programmer`
`12:51.09`	`Legorol`	`great`
`12:52.21`	`Legorol`	`oops, wrong window. i replied in #cosmostesters, could you read that`
`12:57.06`	`Corrodias`	`new addon manager?`
`12:58.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`no previews till we get it written`
`12:59.04`	`Corrodias`	`>:o`
`12:59.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`I make no promisses`
`13:02.23`	`Corrodias`	`ET is at 12% i guess`
`13:02.49`	`Corrodias`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wareffort/wareffort.html?42 // maybe my druid will hit 60 by the time AQ opens. that's a hilarious joke, actually, as he's only 41`
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`13:14.06`	`Corrodias`	`someone want to post a reply on the WoWI forum for me?`
`13:24.24`	`Corrodias`	`well, in any case, you could tell them about our conversation earlier, with eCastingBar and that addon that moves stuff, in http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2987`
`13:35.25`	`Corrodias`	`i'm not registering just to do that much. and now i'm going to bed. 'ni`
`14:06.10`	`Corrodias`	`i wonder why people show the combat log on their screen...`
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`14:26.26`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Corrodias, because it gives you information`
`14:26.53`	`[MoonWolf]`	`only responding 20 minutes late`
`14:27.31`	`Corrodias`	`does the information have any significant value?`
`14:27.36`	`Corrodias`	`to the extent that it should take so much space?`
`14:27.52`	`Corrodias`	`i can't imagine being able to read it, going so fast, unless you're soloing`
`14:28.03`	`[MoonWolf]`	`It pretty much does to me.`
`14:28.18`	`[MoonWolf]`	`I cant live without my combat log`
`14:28.30`	`[MoonWolf]`	`well, hitsmode combat log rather.`
`14:28.35`	`Corrodias`	`what do you learn from it?`
`14:29.18`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Patterns of mobs, how good i am, what the fuck happend when i tried to kick that caster.`
`14:30.02`	`[MoonWolf]`	`I can take down a dark whelpling at lvl 40 and take only 100/200 damage.`
`14:30.20`	`Corrodias`	`i don't know if i should cheer`
`14:30.35`	`[MoonWolf]`	`you can if you want too.`
`14:30.45`	`Corrodias`	`yay~`
`14:31.21`	`Corrodias`	`i guess i -really- have to go to bed now. technically i have to go to bed 3 hours or so ago`
`14:31.27`	`Corrodias`	`i hate sleeping`
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`15:13.51`	`kremonte`	`wow, linking needs to be fixed in 1.9.1`
`15:14.12`	`kremonte`	`there's so many people spamming thunderfury of the lolzorz and whatnot in IF -_-"`
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`15:22.11`	`cladhaire`	`Morning`
`15:22.16`	`kremonte`	`morning clad`
`15:34.14`	`Tain`	`~mornings`
`15:34.18`	`purl`	`Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/)`
`15:35.25`	`kremonte`	`pfft`
`15:35.27`	`kremonte`	`~ugt`
`15:35.29`	`purl`	`ugt is, like, Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.`
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`15:55.24`	`kremonte`	`lalala`
`15:58.10`	`Tain`	`Hey neat, WINE is vulnerable to the Microsoft WMF exploit.`
`15:58.21`	`Beladona`	`LOL`
`15:58.36`	`kremonte`	`omgz`
`15:58.44`	`Tain`	`I wonder if MS will provide a patch for that. :)`
`15:58.45`	`Beladona`	`its only an emulation layer though, how much exploitation can be done`
`15:58.47`	`kremonte`	`wine is going 2 get haxed =^(`
`15:58.57`	`kremonte`	`Beladona: wine izn't emulashun!!!!`
`15:59.05`	`kremonte`	`any way to do a /server -m in xchat? =X`
`15:59.17`	`kremonte`	`or do i need to open a new window >.>`
`16:00.52`	`Tain`	`Dunno, never used xchat.`
`16:01.09`	`[MoonWolf]`	`what does a /server -m do ?`
`16:01.16`	`kremonte`	`haha`
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`16:01.41`	`kremonte`	`:-)`
`16:01.42`	`[MoonWolf]`	`well, now i know.`
`16:01.47`	`kremonte`	`in mIRC, it opens a new server in a new tab`
`16:02.02`	`[MoonWolf]`	`in xchat it disconnect from the server.`
`16:02.11`	`kremonte`	`in xchat it just takes it as a new /server :-)`
`16:02.51`	`kremonte`	`gah, now i have 2 windows with 2 networks on my icky monitor`
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`16:04.38`	`kremonte`	`hm. anyone got something i can do? =D`
`16:04.56`	`Tain`	`Make me a sammich`
`16:05.07`	`kremonte`	`im having a bologna sammich right now :-D`
`16:05.14`	`Tain`	`Oh. I don't like bologna.`
`16:05.16`	`Tain`	`Never mind.`
`16:05.34`	`kremonte`	`meh, i'm out of smoked turkey and the ham is icky`
`16:06.47`	`Tain`	`Hrm. I think I'll have a Pop Tart sandwich then.`
`16:31.39`	`Beladona`	`my wife knows that I always take mustard with my sammiches, but she never buys mustard for some reason`
`16:31.50`	`Beladona`	`so I always have to get it`
`16:31.57`	`GenNMX`	`Obviously she is worried you will make mustard bombs.`
`16:32.07`	`Beladona`	`lol`
`16:32.09`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Beladona, its her way to show you she loves you.`
`16:32.16`	`Beladona`	`no she just doesn't eat it`
`16:32.25`	`Beladona`	`so she doesn't think of it`
`16:33.26`	`kremonte`	`meesa need somethin to do :(`
`16:34.37`	`Tain`	`"You can't spell Pirate without Irate!"`
`16:36.14`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Tip: Laugh, it scares people!`
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`16:50.39`	`[MoonWolf]`	`I am pretty proud of this so im going to shamelessly advertise this`
`16:50.39`	`[MoonWolf]`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4470`
`16:50.46`	`[MoonWolf]`	`look LOOK LOOK`
`16:50.50`	`kremonte`	`no.`
`16:50.59`	`kremonte`	`did i crush you?`
`16:52.06`	`kremonte`	`periodic table by tekkub?`
`16:52.28`	`[MoonWolf]`	`indeed`
`16:52.29`	`[MoonWolf]`	`look it up in the ace category`
`16:52.37`	`kremonte`	`hi Mendel Moonwolf ^__________^`
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`18:19.10`	`Tem`	`Well because it's stuck in my head now, I'm compelled to tell you that Eveyone loves Magical Trevor because the tricks that he does are ever so clever. Look at him now...`
`18:21.26`	`[MoonWolf]`	`TEM, DIE`
`18:46.44`	`kremonte`	`yea yea yea, the cow is back`
`18:46.49`	`kremonte`	`grr`
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`18:50.32`	`futrtrubl`	`damn 1and1 won't give me an account, I'm American enough for them ;'[`
`18:51.05`	`futrtrubl`	`I'm not....`
`18:51.24`	`dukeku`	`they're hoarding the webspace :~(`
`18:53.02`	`futrtrubl`	`anyone know cheap decent hosting companies that are not as anti-non-American?`
`18:53.14`	`cladhair1`	`www.dreamhost.com`
`18:53.15`	`cladhair1`	`=)`
`18:53.36`	`futrtrubl`	`I'll check 'em out`
`18:55.50`	`futrtrubl`	`even there cheapest package is overkill for what I need ;']`
`18:56.20`	`futrtrubl`	`their*`
`18:56.31`	`futrtrubl`	`forgive my dyslexia`
`18:57.52`	`[MoonWolf]`	`forgiven`
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`19:07.28`	`futrtrubl`	`hah, 1and1 will take my AZ drivers license as proof of residency. I tricked them into taking my money....`
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`19:09.38`	`Shouryuu`	`rawr?`
`19:09.44`	`futrtrubl`	`rawr`
`19:13.41`	`Shouryuu`	`Happy new year to all of you by the way`
`19:13.52`	`Shouryuu`	`first time since new year I've logged :P`
`19:14.19`	`[MoonWolf]`	`same to you Shouryuu`
`19:28.27`	`End`	`oh noes, it's Shouryuu!`
`19:30.38`	`Tem`	`does an aura count as a buff?`
`19:30.58`	`Shouryuu`	`I'm back to haunt you all`
`19:31.00`	`Shouryuu`	`for a bit`
`19:31.00`	`Tain`	`Generally yes.`
`19:31.13`	`Tain`	`At least as far as scanning for buffs they do.`
`19:31.19`	`Tem`	`that's not what I need`
`19:31.23`	`Shouryuu`	`lol`
`19:31.26`	`Tem`	`I need to to know the max number of buffs`
`19:31.31`	`Tem`	`I know that you can only have 16 buffs`
`19:31.41`	`Tem`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:32.04`	`Tain`	`Now that I don't know for sure.`
`19:32.33`	`futrtrubl`	`that would be fun (ie difficult) to test`
`19:33.36`	`Tem`	`yeah`
`19:33.37`	`Tem`	`screw it`
`19:33.50`	`Tem`	`my buff frame will just have 18 buttons`
`19:33.55`	`Tem`	`er 38`
`19:34.09`	`Tem`	`36 for buffs/debuffs and 2 for weapon temp enchants`
`19:34.26`	`futrtrubl`	`why 36?`
`19:34.36`	`Tem`	`whoops`
`19:34.41`	`Tem`	`34`
`19:34.50`	`futrtrubl`	`why 34? ;']`
`19:34.51`	`Tem`	`32 for buffs and debuffs`
`19:34.56`	`Tem`	`2 for weapon enchants`
`19:35.05`	`futrtrubl`	`ahh`
`19:35.20`	`Tem`	`oh scratch that make that 25`
`19:35.22`	`Tem`	`35*`
`19:35.36`	`futrtrubl`	`why 35?`
`19:35.56`	`Tem`	`as part of my buff frame I'm including a fake buff for your sobriety level`
`19:35.56`	`Tain`	`32 for buffs and debuffs, 2 for enchants, 1 for good luck`
`19:36.04`	`Shouryuu`	`lol`
`19:36.12`	`futrtrubl`	`cool`
`19:36.21`	`Tem`	`(If I ever get around to it)`
`19:37.10`	`futrtrubl`	`you could add a ton more and make it into a generic timing mod ;']`
`19:37.21`	`Tem`	`oh time`
`19:37.26`	`Tem`	`I knew I was forgetting something`
`19:37.30`	`futrtrubl`	`lol`
`19:37.41`	`Tem`	`curses!`
`19:38.04`	`futrtrubl`	`got number of aplications? like for sunder`
`19:38.34`	`Tem`	`yeah`
`19:38.53`	`Tem`	`At first this is going to be a 0 config addon`
`19:39.12`	`Tem`	`but when I'm done it's going to be rediculous how much you can change`
`19:39.37`	`Tem`	`for now I just need a buff frame that doesn't overlap my action bar ><`
`19:41.57`	`futrtrubl`	`sweet`
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`19:48.39`	`Shouryuu`	`some people hav way too much time on their hands`
`19:48.40`	`Shouryuu`	`http://artpad.art.com/artpad/painter/?icosat1crdo8`
`19:56.59`	`Tem`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=293447&p=1&tmp=1#post293447`
`19:57.10`	`Tem`	`if you are getting a Sea error then the problem is clearly not CTRA`
`19:57.29`	`Tem`	`why does CTRA get blamed for everything short of world hunger?`
`19:58.15`	`Tain`	`Oliver Stone is going to be looking into it.`
`19:59.11`	`Tem`	`I'm surprised it took him this long`
`20:06.33`	`Shouryuu`	`anyone here read Lolita?`
`20:06.47`	`Osagasu`	`CTRA IS THE CAUSE OF UNIVERSAL HUNGER!`
`20:07.07`	`Tain`	`Lolita? Isn't that the code word for underage porn?`
`20:07.20`	`Shouryuu`	`lol`
`20:07.55`	`Shouryuu`	`I've never read it, but I've actualy read good critics of it`
`20:10.14`	`dukeku`	`Lo·li·ta`
`20:10.14`	`dukeku`	`noun`
`20:10.14`	`dukeku`	`Definitions:`
`20:10.15`	`dukeku`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:10.15`	`dukeku`	`desirable young girl: a young teenage girl regarded or depicted as the object of sexual desire`
`20:10.47`	`Shouryuu`	`wow it's a noun`
`20:11.03`	`dukeku`	`what'd you think it was? @_@`
`20:11.07`	`Shouryuu`	`a book`
`20:11.12`	`dukeku`	`lol`
`20:11.20`	`Shouryuu`	`=p`
`20:11.27`	`Shouryuu`	`the story sticks to the noun`
`20:11.33`	`Shouryuu`	`but I never knew it was a noun`
`20:12.07`	`Shouryuu`	`what's the "sequel" to City Of God?`
`20:13.03`	`Tain`	`It is a book.`
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`21:07.55`	`Verlaine`	`well g'night poeple`
`21:07.57`	`Verlaine`	`time for sleep`
`21:23.58`	id`	`http://pastebin.com/495461`
`21:24.26`	id`	`might turn thi insto an addon later for making very simple bars with visor`
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`21:42.12`	`Maldivia`	`Iriel ?`
`21:43.29`	`Iriel`	`Yes?`
`21:43.50`	`Maldivia`	`Do you knoe if UnitBuff was changed in 1.8 or 1.9 to return applications aswell+`
`21:43.58`	`Maldivia`	`just noticed it did - just like UnitDebuff`
`21:44.53`	`Iriel`	`I hadn't noticed it had (Blizzard's UI doesn't use it that way)`
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`21:46.01`	`Maldivia`	`well, just noticed it now :)`
`21:46.08`	`kremonte`	`wb cair`
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`21:46.17`	`Iriel`	`I'll add it to the 1.9 changes thread, (with a note it may have chanegd in 1.8) -- Thanks!`
`21:46.30`	`Maldivia`	`got the ZG trinket last night, and noticed it had 8 application on it :)`
`21:46.40`	`Maldivia`	`I've updated WoWWiki :)`
`21:46.42`	`kremonte`	`8 application? gyg`
`21:46.44`	`kremonte`	`huh*`
`21:46.56`	`Maldivia`	`the ZG trinket, that looses strength when you cast spells`
`21:47.02`	`kremonte`	`ya`
`21:47.08`	`kremonte`	`what's 8 application though o_O`
`21:47.16`	`Maldivia`	`starts with 8 applications of the buff, then 7 etc`
`21:47.23`	`kremonte`	`ohhh, on the buff`
`21:47.25`	`Maldivia`	`like 5x sunder armor debuff`
`21:47.27`	`kremonte`	`interesting =P`
`21:47.29`	`kremonte`	`yeah`
`21:52.49`	`Legorol`	`g'evening`
`21:53.17`	`Legorol`	`It seems that my initial observation on the test server about weapon switch cooldown was correct, and that it carried over to the live server:`
`21:53.26`	`Legorol`	`Switching weapons in combat no longer activates global cooldown`
`21:53.44`	`Iriel`	`Isn't there a new cooldown, 1.5 s for most, 1s for rogues?`
`21:53.52`	`Legorol`	`supposed to be, but 1.9 removed it`
`21:53.59`	`Legorol`	`at least as far as i can tell with my warrior`
`21:54.00`	`Iriel`	`Oh, it's gone ENTIRELY?`
`21:54.06`	`Legorol`	`in so far as i can tell..`
`21:54.15`	`Legorol`	`i did observe this during the test, and even made a bugreport about it`
`21:54.23`	`Legorol`	`i'm surprised that people aren't making a big noise about it yet`
`21:54.30`	`Legorol`	`it did carry over to live`
`21:55.27`	`Iriel`	`I wonder if that's "Oops" or a "we caved in to whining" ?`
`21:55.33`	`Maldivia`	`let me test this in a sec`
`21:56.03`	`Maldivia`	`no cooldown here, when changing off-hand item`
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`21:58.28`	`Iriel`	`Now, is that 'no displayed cooldown' or that you can swap then attack instantly?`
`22:03.53`	`Maldivia`	`I swapped off-hand item 3 times within one second`
`22:04.13`	`Maldivia`	`while in combat`
`22:04.18`	`Tain`	`But does it let you attack immediately after swapping without delay?`
`22:04.35`	`Maldivia`	`just a sec... I'll test on next pull :)`
`22:05.00`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, will have to make a macro now, to change offhand depending on spell ...`
`22:06.00`	`Maldivia`	`yep - no hidden cooldown`
`22:06.24`	`Maldivia`	`and can change in the middle of a channeled spell, without it interrupting the spell cast`
`22:07.35`	`Iriel`	`I wonder if main hand swapping changed too?`
`22:07.42`	`Iriel`	`and if it affects 'weapon related' attacks`
`22:07.59`	`Iriel`	`Not that off-hand swapping for opportunistic spell buffs should be possible either`
`22:08.27`	`Maldivia`	`dont have any spare main-hand weapons on me to test`
`22:18.08`	id`	`http://www.thottbot.com/?i=19712 +4 attack vendor-buy:30S`
`22:18.18`	id`	`what should i auction it for`
`22:18.26`	id`	`30S, 50 buyout?`
`22:18.29`	id`	`:X`
`22:20.00`	`Maldivia`	`will noone even buy it ?`
`22:20.05`	`Maldivia`	`or will you just loose the AH deposit`
`22:20.41`	id`	`lose the deposit? wots that`
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`22:22.41`	`Maldivia`	`when you put item on the AH, you pay a deposit, if the item sells, you get the deposit back - if the item doesn't sell, the AH keeps the deposit`
`22:23.30`	id`	`i see`
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`22:24.05`	`Maldivia`	`the deposit is something like 2% of the price you would get by selling the item to a vendor - pr hour`
`22:24.30`	`zespri`	`i wonder why thwy have two different numbers one for deposit and one for commission`
`22:25.08`	`Maldivia`	`deposit for when it doesn't sell, commision for when does...`
`22:25.37`	`zespri`	`i guess because one is percentage from hardcoded item value and the other is percentage from the amount item actualy sold for. perhaps`
`22:26.51`	`Maldivia`	`for instance, the DM book for Quel'serrar - has no vendor price (so no deposit), but can be sold for 1000g+ - so that's a 50g+ commision`
`22:27.33`	`Iriel`	`That's correct`
`22:27.44`	`Iriel`	`The Commission is based on the selling price only`
`22:28.13`	`Iriel`	`The deposit is based on the auction length and the game's notion of the item's value`
`22:28.25`	`Iriel`	`I dont remember if the deposit varies based on your initial asking price`
`22:28.34`	`Iriel`	`I dont think it does, but I dont frequent the AH all that much`
`22:29.06`	`Maldivia`	`deposit is time and item-vendor-value - nothing else`
`22:29.36`	`zespri`	`thank you Iriel, all this is in line with what I was thinking`
`22:30.12`	`Iriel`	`It's really only the deposit you need to worry about`
`22:30.23`	`Iriel`	`Unless you paid for the item in the first place`
`22:30.58`	`Maldivia`	`Iriel: btw - you know how they changed the "periodic damage" spells (like a mages Arcane Missiles) ?`
`22:31.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`There we go, download works now. Wardrobe: http://www.wowguru.com/ui/203/wardrobeal/`
`22:31.37`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia : Actually not really, the holiday season plus all the changes with 1.9 mean I've hardly PLAYED the game in 2 months 8-(`
`22:31.53`	`Iriel`	`I've spent less than 2 hours in game since 1.9 launched 8-(`
`22:32.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`heh`
`22:32.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`i'v done one raid`
`22:32.16`	`Maldivia`	`Iriel: hehe, ok - just noticed that, when a mob runs out of the 30 yards, while in the middle of the channel, I get Spell out of range error messages (and voice), but the bolts still fires`
`22:32.36`	`Maldivia`	`well, we've grinded for opening the gates :)`
`22:32.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`ya, i got that yesterday on my mage`
`22:32.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`still fires, but you can't cast another`
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`22:33.01`	`Shouryuu`	`rawr`
`22:35.21`	`Shouryuu`	`oh no`
`22:35.24`	`Shouryuu`	`not again`
`22:37.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`*me huggles Shouryuu`
`22:37.18`	`AnduinLothar`	`crap`
`22:37.20`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol`
`22:37.45`	`Shouryuu`	`hehe`
`22:37.51`	`Shouryuu`	`and it was escared btw`
`22:38.53`	`Shouryuu`	`I am so fucking bored`
`22:41.50`	`Maldivia`	`hehe`
`22:41.56`	`Maldivia`	`fix my bugs in my mods :)`
`22:42.30`	`Shouryuu`	`I said bored`
`22:42.38`	`Shouryuu`	`not desperate and looking for a life`
`22:42.48`	`Shouryuu`	`I've stoped looking for one a while ago`
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`23:03.56`	`*** topic/#wowi-lounge is 1.9 is Live! New TOC # is 10900`
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`23:05.33`	`Shouryuu`	`oh no`
`23:05.35`	`Shouryuu`	`not him`
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`23:43.35`	`Tem`	`Guillotine: you messed up on a tip`
`23:43.45`	`Tem`	`you said`
`23:43.57`	`Tem`	`Auto-Run when I think you meant Auto-Travel`
`23:43.58`	`Guillotine`	`i know. a couple are wierd`
`23:44.20`	`Guillotine`	`like I said before, its b/c of the character limit`
`23:44.29`	`Guillotine`	`it has to be the EXACT same number of chars as the original tip`
`23:44.56`	`End`	`ioh`
`23:44.58`	`End`	`er`
`23:44.59`	`End`	`oh`
`23:45.21`	`End`	`I could write a dbc maker thadoesn't have that limitation`
`23:45.31`	`Guillotine`	`bet you couldn't`
`23:45.32`	`Maldivia`	`I was about to say the same thing..`
`23:45.34`	`End`	`the format is -really- simple`
`23:45.40`	`Maldivia`	`the dbc it really really simple`
`23:45.43`	`End`	`and the strings are nul term inated`
`23:45.51`	`Guillotine`	`its a new procaution made by bliz`
`23:46.05`	`Guillotine`	`to prevent ppl putting - for example - a blink languagewords.dbc in place`
`23:46.09`	`Guillotine`	`so they can understand other languages`
`23:46.13`	`Guillotine`	`blank*`
`23:46.36`	`End`	`hrm`
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`23:46.56`	`Guillotine`	`but you can try :) And ill admit I'm wrong if you succeed`
`23:46.59`	`Maldivia`	`ohh... so there's a file you download on login, which contains the sizes of the dbc files ?`
`23:47.13`	`End`	`possible`
`23:49.49`	`Maldivia`	`ohh well, should still be possible - make some smaller and other larger`
`23:51.45`	`Maldivia`	`and if the end result is too small, zero-pad it`
`23:53.37`	`Legorol`	`The deposit at the AH for 24 hour auctions for any items whose vendor sell price is above 1s50c is 60% of the vendor sell price.`
`23:54.13`	`Legorol`	`Below 1s50c, it's a bit more complicated, they round the vendor sell price to the nearest 25c then take 50%`
`23:54.39`	`Legorol`	`oops, i mean 60%`
`23:54.58`	`Legorol`	`They calculate the deposit on the vendor sell price of the whole stack, if you are auctioning a stack`

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