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00:04.04End~saturday
00:04.07purlSaturday is the day that sucks the least!
00:04.24Shouryuu~sunday
00:04.25purlSunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday).  Also, sunday is the day we do all the stuff we should've done Saturday, but didn't.
00:08.39Shouryuuargghhh
00:08.46ShouryuuI'm having internet lag spikes
00:08.57Shouryuureally pissing me off
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00:15.40id`i have 48 honorable kills
00:15.53id`where can i read about what they stand for and do in the game?
00:15.58id`(in my first battleground ever btw)
00:16.58Maldiviaa honorable kill is if you've helped kill someone of the opposite faction that's at least 80% of your level or up
00:17.42Maldiviadepending on how much you've helped, you get contribution points - they are tallied once a week, and you're PvP rank is determined
00:18.06Maldiviawhen you gain pvp ranks, you get access to a pvp vendor
00:18.09Shouryuuanyone here know of a good program that constantly measures you upload/download and ping?
00:18.43ShouryuuI keep getting these huge lag spikes
00:18.46Shouryuuand don't know why...
00:19.02ShouryuuI want to check if it's my internet or my comp...
00:19.30Maldiviastart a command prompt and: ping -t www.google.com
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00:47.24Endhey Guillotine, are you there?
00:47.30Guillotinekind of
00:47.34Guillotineplaying AB
00:48.05Endreplacing LanguageWords.dbc or whatever with a blank file (in terms of a dbc sort of blank) just means everyone speaking other languages speaks empty strings
00:48.15Endin other words, I'm seeing a lot of:
00:48.21End[Gutterspeak]
00:48.24End[Gutterspeak]
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01:16.22Guillotineinteresting
01:16.25Guillotineit used to work
01:16.36Guillotinedid you 0 pad it?
01:18.48Endno
01:19.14Endit's just the header that says it has zero records
01:19.36Endand that's it, no more file after that
01:30.18Guillotinehmm
02:00.36ForgottenLordsdoes anyone know of a mod that highlights a specific player in chat? such as raid leader?
02:00.51Codayusyes
02:01.15CodayusCTRA highlights the raid leader.
02:02.03CodayusAnd more generally, CleanChat hilights player names.
02:06.46ForgottenLordskk, cool
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02:58.29futrtrublsweet, I now have a website. Now I have to build it with now html knowledge
02:58.33futrtrublno*
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03:25.52Corrodiasweb sites
03:25.54Corrodiasthose are annoying
03:33.17MentalPower|AFKOk, the best pair of post I've read on our forums http://norganna.org/bb/index.php?act=findpost&pid=4174 Poster 1's Question: "How do you purge?" Poster 2's Response: "I eat a bran muffin then enable my Concentration Aura. Then just wait. :)"
03:33.37MentalPowerJust wanted to share :)
03:33.39CodayusoO
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03:36.12Flisher_CodingHello folk, anyone is good with regex inside wow?
03:37.41Flisher_CodingI need to take a string like "99 10 10 na 10 0", where columng 1,3,5,7 are number, and the column 2,4,6,8 can be number or text.   I need to get result like a=99, b=10, overhead="10 na 10 0".
03:37.53Flisher_Codingit'll be something like a,b,overhead = string.find(msg, ????? )
03:38.17Flisher_Codingthe length can vary, so overhead can be empty
03:38.47Codayushmm
03:38.56CodayusYeah, that sounds fairly simple.
03:39.22Flisher_Codingplan is to reuse the same thing untill there is no overhead
03:40.47CodayusHmm
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03:42.33CodayusHmm, off the top of my head, something like:   "^(%d+)%s(%w+)(.)"
03:43.22CodayusOr, actually:   "^(%d+)%s(%w+)%s(.*)"
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03:44.33CodayusThat should return the first number, the second number/word, and everything else.  <shrug>  I haven't had much cause to play with lua pattern matching.
03:45.29Corrodiasit's not just LUA. regular expressions are usable in many languages
03:45.59Corrodiasit's just a pattern matching ... grammar? syntax? protocol? method, perhaps
03:46.07Endimo, lua is a lot lesser powerful than most others though
03:46.33CodayusHowever, regular expressions are not usable in WoW.
03:46.35TainLua doesn't fully implement regex
03:46.41CodayusLua pattern matching isn't the same thing.  :-)
03:46.44Tainwell, actually lua doesn't implement regex.  It has it's own
03:47.02Flisher_Codingyeah
03:47.08Endwell, there's a lot of variants, such as perl, posix, basic, etc etc
03:47.20CodayusThere is a lua regexp implementation, I believe, but it's pretty huge, and not available inside WoW.
03:47.27Corrodiasi see, i see
03:48.31Flisher_CodingI have problem with the wildcard thing to get everything after the first 2 field
03:48.40CodayusOh?
03:49.09CodayusWhat is it doing?
03:49.26Flisher_Codingmsg = "99 aa 11 22";
03:49.26Flisher_Codinga={}
03:49.26Flisher_Coding_,_,a.num, a.cooldown, a.overhead = string.find(msg,
03:49.26Flisher_Coding"(%w+) (%w+) (%w*)"
03:49.27Flisher_Coding);
03:49.48Flisher_Codingwill return num=99, cooldown=aa, overhead=11
03:49.53Flisher_Codingbut I need everything to the end
03:49.59CodayusWell, of course it does.
03:50.11Codayus%w doesn't match whitespace.
03:50.22futrtrubl%.+
03:51.06Corrodiasbut he set it up with white spaces between them..
03:51.18Corrodiasi shouldn't talk. i have barely ever used regexp.
03:51.20CodayusDid you see my suggestion?
03:51.34Flisher_Codingyes
03:52.19Flisher_Coding"(%w+) (%w+) (.+)" do it :)
03:52.23Flisher_Codingthank's everybody !
03:52.42Codayus:-)
03:52.47futrtrublwould your sudgestion strip the whitespace after the 2nd catch
03:52.58futrtrubl?
03:53.30CodayusOnly the first one.
03:54.33futrtrublactaully, wouldn't make a dif, anything before the first number will be skipped next time he iterates
03:55.54CodayusUnless you began the pattern with ^, of course.  <shrug>
03:57.51TainAh what a whoopin this game ended up being.
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04:15.49Flisher_CodingHum, got a minor problem with "(%w+) (%w+) (.+)", if there is no remaining, it's doesn't work, anyone got a clue on how making it optional?
04:16.54GenNMXFlisher_Coding: Check if the string is nil before you use it.
04:17.19Flisher_Codingthe problem isn't this
04:17.32Flisher_Codingthe problem is if I have no 3rd argument, it doesn't match the first 2
04:17.57Flisher_Codingfirst run there might be 8 argument, then 6, then 4, then 2
04:18.04Flisher_Codingbut when there is 2, it doesn't match
04:18.07GenNMXYou can do this: arg1,arg2,_ = functionwiththreereturns
04:18.20GenNMX_ throws away a return value
04:24.15Flisher_Codinganyone knwo what make a parameter optional in a lua regex?
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04:26.43GenNMXIf you're having those types of problems, you need to change your regex
04:27.09GenNMXWhat is the string you're trying to parse, and what's the regex you're using?
04:27.43Flisher_Codingthe string will look line "11 22 33 44 55 66 77 88"
04:28.19Flisher_Codingmy goal is to pair 11 with 22, 33 with 44, 55 with 66, etc
04:28.34Flisher_CodingThere are numerous way but I'm trying to find the most efficient cpu/memory wize
04:28.36futrtrubl<Flisher_Coding> I need to take a string like "99 10 10 na 10 0", where columng 1,3,5,7 are number, and the column 2,4,6,8 can be number or text.   I need to get result like a=99, b=10, overhead="10 na 10 0".
04:29.47futrtrubldid you try <Codayus> Hmm, off the top of my head, something like:   "^(%d+)%s(%w+)(.)"
04:34.55CodayusI revised that to "^(%d+)%s(%w+)%s(.*)".
04:35.15CodayusHowever, on reflextion, it should probably be:
04:35.39Codayus"(%d+)%s(%w+)(.*)".
04:36.31CodayusOr actually, uh.... "^(%d+)%s(%w+)%s?(.*)".
04:36.59CodayusThe key is .* which matches 0 or more.  .+ matches 1 or more.  Since that term is optional, you want * and not +.
04:37.14Flisher_Codingok
04:37.51Flisher_CodingGotcha! it's alive :-P
04:37.51GenNMX%s messes me up with Lua regexp...other regexp use it as string or substitution, heh.
04:40.42futrtrublwhat's the ? do Codayus?
04:40.50Codayus? means 0 or 1.
04:41.02futrtrublso, a space or nothing?
04:41.07CodayusRight
04:41.14GenNMX? following a single character pattern allows for 0 or 1 occurance
04:41.15CodayusOn the last iteration, there won't be a space, hence the ?.
04:41.17futrtrublI is teh smrt
04:49.45Flisher_Codingeazy one: to check if a variable is a number?
04:50.55GenNMXI think isnumber()
04:51.46Flisher_Codingnah :(
04:51.52GenNMXSorry, type(var) == "number"
04:52.23GenNMXKnew there was tonumber, but no isnumber...lua uses type() instead
04:52.59Flisher_Codingb = "11"; is a string... but I might compare with is own tonumber to check if it's not number
04:53.44Flisher_Codingnil = tonumber(b)  if it's not a number in the string,
04:54.24GenNMXI'm confused, what are you trying to do? Check if it equals 11?
04:55.45Flisher_Codingmy variable is a string, but can contain "11" or "na", soo checking if tonumber(b) return either 11 or nil, soo I can use tonumber to validate
04:57.47futrtrubldon't use nil as a var name ;'] does tonumber return nil if it fails? if so then you could use if (tonumber(var)) then...
04:58.00GenNMXIs the variable always going to be a string, or are you going to do b = tonumber(b) and leave it like that? You shouldn't convert a string to a number and then back again unless you're doing some type of arithmatic
04:58.38futrtrublhe still needs to check if the string is a number
04:59.10GenNMXWell it's either a number or na, right?
04:59.20futrtrublyup
04:59.36GenNMXI'd do b ~= "na"
04:59.48futrtrublgood idea
05:00.25futrtrublwell I hope it is either a number or "na"
05:01.23GenNMXUsing tonumber() will kill any debugging, since it sounds like to me it _should_ be a number or "na"
05:01.39GenNMXSo if it fails right after that, you know it's either the wrong number, or not a number
05:02.19futrtrubldoes tonumber() return nil if it fails, or does it whine?
05:02.33GenNMXShould return nil, lemme check
05:02.52GenNMXAye, nil it returns
05:04.01futrtrublvery nice, so if his var is either a number or "na" then (var~= "na") will do, else (tonumber(var)) will work
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05:05.43futrtrublCairenn!!!!! ;']
05:05.48GenNMXHmm, the Lua manual hints that something can have a type of "nil" (not just a value), but doesn't say when that occurs. I hope it's only when it has the value of nil.
05:05.49futrtrublhows the hubby?
05:05.51Cairennhey :)
05:06.01Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:06.07futrtrubl;']
05:06.11Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:06.14Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:06.19futrtrublI di
05:06.23futrtrubloh, I did
05:06.29Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:06.54GenNMXYou know, there is only one time when I feel THAT good, Cairenn...
05:07.04GenNMXAfter eating some peanut-butter ice cream.
05:07.27GenNMXMmmm. I'm a naughty boy.
05:07.36futrtrublmmm, penut butter/coffee/chocolate/caramel swirls.....
05:08.13GenNMXI'm only talking so much because my cat is obscuring my WoW computer's monitor.
05:08.47futrtrublyour cat only wants some NE action
05:08.51OsagasuOdd
05:09.17OsagasuForgottenChat just stopped filtering out the Whispers from the normal window
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05:11.37futrtrublyou didn't give him enough attention ;']
05:11.51GenNMXOh wait, I'm tired, I read your message and got the opposite idea
05:12.22GenNMXI retract my previous statement with exclamation!
05:14.54Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:15.01futrtrublwhere can I find individual cosmos addons, like mobileframes?
05:15.03GenNMXI just got back from my mother's 40th birthday party. We were doing DDR, Kareoke Revolution, Poppin', etc.
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05:16.39GenNMXWhat's the big deal with MobileFrames, anyway?
05:18.10futrtrublI like it, it's simpler than moveanything or DFM and does all I need
05:18.10GenNMXCairenn: Didn't you have server problems during or after 1.9, like the other big addon sites? I seem to recall people saying "WOWI is down :("
05:18.26futrtrublthat wasn't the patches fault
05:18.50OsagasuThis is odd
05:18.52Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:19.05OsagasuFor some reason I can't hide whispers
05:19.12OsagasuI uncheck it
05:19.15Osagasubut I still see them
05:19.49OsagasuI guess I'm without FC for a while
05:20.50GenNMXI'm surprised then, why do people still use curse-gaming over WOWI? curse has like 4KB monthly cap.
05:21.33Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:21.41Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:22.16futrtrublI think they have more addons currently
05:22.30Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:22.37GuillotineCairenn: have you seen the responses at http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3066 ?
05:22.41GuillotineI would like to know as well
05:22.49GenNMXBy people, I mean devs.
05:23.13Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:23.23Guillotineindeed
05:23.46Guillotinebut in case you think the horse is still alive: curse and worldofwar.net upload people's addons from other sites without asking permission
05:23.51futrtrublI don't think loz released his profile extractor on wowi
05:23.56Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:24.13Guillotineok. so he didn't send it to you? that was all I was asking ;)
05:24.17GuillotineI'm sure he will soon
05:24.46GenNMXAhh, so WoWI won't allow uploads of addons from a different source then the author? Gotcha.
05:24.50Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:25.04Guillotineya
05:25.18Guillotinehe seems like he likes being dependent on noone but himself. even when hes doing everyone a HUGE favor
05:25.36futrtrublcash isn't a problem (well for hosting purposes) anymore, ad revenue is more than paying for his hosting
05:26.11Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:26.34futrtrublagreed Cair
05:26.46GenNMXfutrtrubl: Except discordmods.com is still down
05:26.49Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:27.00GenNMXI'm guessing "suspended" doesn't mean he has a database problem ;)
05:27.15futrtrublGenNMX, that's because his hostre sucked, so he's moving it to a different one
05:27.34Guillotineyup
05:27.35Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:27.36Guillotinehes said it was a bug
05:27.45Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:27.48Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:27.57futrtrublno, that suspended page is in error, that error doesn't even still exist for his hoster and they can't stop it showing
05:28.06Guillotinekeep beating it! I for one, now, only use WoWI
05:28.22GenNMXHah
05:28.29Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:28.43Guillotineits actually mainly because theres not enough support at other sites
05:28.47futrtrublI'll preferentially use wowi, but I'll use whatever site has my mod ;']
05:29.04Guillotinewhenever I upload a mod to another site, it takes weeks to get uploaded
05:29.12Guillotineand by then I have a new version
05:29.20Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:29.48futrtrublI've never had an issue with versions being accepted timelyly
05:29.56GenNMXSorry, I've been out of the forum scene for a long time, and before that it was only wow's forums.
05:30.14Guillotinealso, another thing that I don't like about the other sites: they do not follow the policy that addons may *never* have undocumented 'features'. I've found a couple with some pretty nasty things
05:30.34Guillotineone actually attempted to send the author money if you were on his server
05:31.05GenNMXIt's pretty easy to make an "addon virus" if the user is unaware.
05:31.15Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:32.06Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:32.20GuillotineI know. I'm just giving my personal opinion
05:32.20Cairenn<PROTECTED>
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05:33.27Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:35.31futrtrubland why I'll have BEB on WoWI and all the rest
05:35.41GenNMXCairenn: I understand your resignation, since your type of highbrow site attracts elitists which have the tendency to rant when poked at by the trolls in the anarchial communities. The case is even more so with wowace.com.
05:36.09Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:36.15futrtrubl?!
05:36.43GenNMXEven that the Internet itself is free, most will revel in the anarchial nature of the other communities, where the smart people who actually care about the community they're joining will go to places like wowinteface.com.
05:37.17GenNMXSo if you'd rather have smart people over just anyone, it's win-win for you.
05:37.19futrtrublahhh, now it's sounding less like an attack on wowi
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05:39.14Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:39.22futrtrubland I wouldn't call the people that go there elitists
05:39.27GenNMXYou're "highbrow" compared to these anarchial communities where people can't even read the mod notes ;)
05:39.44futrtrublthat's not what highbrow means
05:40.11Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:40.14futrtrublhighbrow has very snobbish conotations
05:40.25OsagasuOkay
05:41.18Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:41.54TainSomeone have the servants deal with this
05:41.55GenNMXfutrtrubl: Right, and people on the Internet will generally get "brain envy" at people of higher intelligence, if they meet a certan threshold
05:43.01GenNMXIf you want to understand and debate something, but can't, it will frustrate the hell out of you. Instead of turning on yourself (only pimply nerds like me do that), you'll lash out at others, blaming your problems on them.
05:45.20Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:47.06GenNMXCairenn: The IQ of the planet is relatively low when it comes to computers. You're smarter then you think.
05:47.18GenNMXAnd I'm not trying to be elitist here ;)
05:48.24OsagasuAh damnit
05:48.30Corrodiassmart people don't download mods except from the original author's site
05:48.32OsagasuI found what was causing the problems with whispers
05:48.50Corrodiasbecause then you can run up the bandwidth costs!
05:49.08GenNMXPlease don't download from www.matts-hosting.com, it's on my Cable :(
05:49.11futrtrublbut I don't have a site Corrodias ;']
05:49.57Corrodiasmy own 'morals', if you want to call them that, chafe at the idea of someone being able to control who gets something just because he made it
05:50.25futrtrublnot much to download there GenNMX ;']
05:50.50TainYou don't agree with the idea of trademark, copyright, intellectual property, Corrodias?
05:50.57GenNMXfutrtrubl: It's hidden so people can't tax my bandwidth...actually no, it's horrible open
05:51.17Corrodiasin a society like the USA, with copyright and patent running free, i need a lot of gold bond.
05:51.30GenNMXCorrodias: I fail to see the logic in organized religion, but I accept people's rights to pursue it.
05:52.23GenNMXI'll just donate to the Carl Sagan foundation and try to debate with preachers in the meantime.
05:52.39Corrodiasi don't know what that is
05:52.45futrtrublwell, I finally got around to updating my addons for 1.9 ;']
05:53.17Corrodiasyay
05:53.57Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:54.06Guillotinety :)
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05:54.34Cairenn<PROTECTED>
05:54.43GenNMXCorrodias: http://www.carlsagan.com/, one of the pinnacles of critical reasoning.
05:55.08Geometrixcarl sagan was the man!
05:55.23CorrodiasWarpath.. is that a compilation someone here works on or is that something someone in my guild works on? i can't remember
05:56.11Corrodiasguess it's probably just the latter
05:56.36futrtrublwith a name like that it couldn't be one of us ;']
05:59.05AnduinLotharwhy look, it's a cair, she does exist
05:59.48AnduinLotharso um, there's a bags catagory... why isn't it just inventory? wouldn't that be more general?
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06:00.36Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:00.45AnduinLothar:P
06:01.01AnduinLotharcept not i cant put Wardrobe in it cause it's not a bag mod
06:01.19Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:01.30GenNMXThe "bags" catagory is where the authors who spent many sleepless nights working on an addon put their final creation
06:01.45AnduinLotharsounds like me
06:01.45Corrodiashaha.
06:01.57AnduinLotharseeing as i finished it at 6am
06:01.57Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:02.11Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:02.16AnduinLotharbah, who reads descriptions
06:02.23AnduinLothar:) thx
06:02.41GenNMXWhat are we talking about, anyway?
06:02.45Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:03.39Corrodias"bags" vs "inventory" addons
06:03.52GenNMXCorrodias: I guessed that
06:04.00Corrodiasyou're tricksy
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06:04.17Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:04.23AnduinLotharDooooo it
06:04.29GenNMXBut they can't be talking about WoWI, since it has an "Inventory" listing
06:04.35AnduinLotharitem related
06:04.50AnduinLotharthen u can do loot mods too
06:05.26GenNMXItem related? Wardrobe is an addon? I'm confused.
06:05.49AnduinLothardont do drugs
06:05.53AnduinLotharthose are items
06:06.17Corrodias"hmm, a wow realm forum. i'll open a thread." // "Service Unavailable"
06:06.40AnduinLotharclose and open ina new tab, works liek a charm
06:06.44GenNMXAre we talking about Keybinding catagories?
06:07.54Corrodiashey, it did. thanks
06:08.02GenNMXNevermind, I forgot I hate 20 questions.
06:08.15Corrodiasi wish it didn't count my own posts as "new"
06:08.15GenNMXExcept that 20 questions AI ball, that's cool.
06:10.31AnduinLothargrr.. makign me take preview images
06:19.40AnduinLotharWardrobe-AL --> WoWI
06:19.46AnduinLotharit's almost like theivery
06:20.11Corrodias-al?
06:20.23Corrodiasare you not the original author?
06:20.29AnduinLotharya well there's too many, i had to distinguish
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06:21.57*** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Happy Birthday Beladona
06:22.18AnduinLotharNope, Cragganmore started it, then Miravlix picked it up, then Miravlix quit wow, then nemes modified it and removed sea/chronos, then someone else converted it to ace/timex then Miravlix came back and made his 1.9 compatible, but i had already fixed my local copy, then i made a ton of modifications to mine so now there's like 4 or 5 versions.
06:23.22AnduinLotharso mines branched from Wardrobe-lix 1.3.1 technically
06:24.11Corrodiasl o l.
06:25.57AnduinLotharbut it's like Wardrobe-nemes 1.4 in that it no longer requires sea/chronos, however it still contains the mount/east/drink/plaugelands instant swapping and utilized IsMounted to fix some problems the other versions have with hunter speed buffs, and it also uses MobileMinimapButtons if you have it cause I like to use my own libs and make everything work the same way
06:26.25GenNMXlol.
06:26.30Corrodiassounds secksy
06:26.44GenNMXwhy did you space out lol?
06:26.52AnduinLotharplus it includes Titan support because it no longer worked with TitanWardrobe cause I renamed everything in the process of OOing it
06:28.22CorrodiasEL OH EL
06:28.26Corrodiasjust because
06:28.31AnduinLothardrugs are bad
06:28.36Corrodiasm'kay
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06:36.29TainWhy is the search function at the WoW forums such a filthy rotten liar
06:36.39GeometrixAnduinLothar, you just update Wardrobe for 1.9?
06:36.57GeometrixTain, because the WoW Forums are filthy rotten liars
06:36.59AnduinLothar'just' doesn't wuite explain it
06:37.20Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:37.37AnduinLotharsince I also converted it to object oriented code which ttook like 5 hours strait
06:37.55AnduinLotharplus blah blah and blah blah blah
06:38.31Corrodiaswhat's different about the plaguelands?
06:38.50Corrodiasi mean, why do their get their own outfit?
06:39.05AnduinLotharso you can auto-equip the trinket
06:39.23AnduinLotharand any +undead if u want
06:39.43Corrodiaswhat trinket?
06:39.47Corrodias<- noob
06:40.01GeometrixArgent commission
06:40.10Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:40.37Flisher_CodingSoo there is a 99th fork of wardrobe :-P
06:40.47Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:40.55Geometrixnothing better than forking a project
06:40.56AnduinLotharyes flisher, muah ha ha
06:41.06AnduinLotharfork fork fork!!!
06:41.07Corrodias'cept maybe forking a child
06:41.11AnduinLotharew
06:41.12Corrodiaswe had great fun with that in my OS class
06:42.15AnduinLotharwell see i'd presonally rather someone else just built on this one update of mine, cause i dont wanna maintain yet another addon
06:42.28AnduinLothari was just gonna give it to mira, but he hasn't been on in a few days
06:42.44TainBorka borka
06:43.21AnduinLotharThanks to Nemos for the screenshots. Yoink!
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06:53.47AnduinLotharhmmm, ok.. that's one more project down.. now.. what to do... which project to work on..
06:54.12AnduinLotharcould work on ArchRaid...
06:54.48AnduinLotharor MF
06:55.06AnduinLotharor Splitting Sky and optimizing for 1.9s new channels
06:55.22AnduinLotharor make my SpellCastInfo lib
06:55.33AnduinLotharor... make a channel color by name mod..
06:55.42AnduinLotharor split up earth
06:56.05AnduinLotharor... make a Pager that works for party/raid
06:56.39AnduinLotharor make a Titan Bag Menu
06:56.54AnduinLothardecisions decisions
06:57.06Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:57.15Corrodiasnah...
06:57.23Corrodiaswhat is MF?
06:57.28AnduinLotharmobile frames
06:58.02GenNMXAnduinLothar: What's wrong with the bag menu already made for Titan?
06:58.11AnduinLotharwhat? where?
06:58.35Corrodiasyour wardrobe requires "MobileMinimapButtons"? is that an absolute requirement or an optional one?
06:58.37GenNMXui.worldofwar.net I think I found it on, it can show how many slots are left in each bag
06:58.54AnduinLotharoh, no i dont need slots, i got a mod for that
06:59.08GenNMXSo what do you need?
06:59.11AnduinLotharI mean a bag replacement with sorting sub menus
06:59.16Corrodiasnever mind, i see optional requirements now
06:59.36GenNMXAhh, I don't think it does sorting, but you can open your bags using it
06:59.57AnduinLotharno no, i don't want to ever look at the bags again
07:00.02AnduinLotharReplacement
07:00.35GenNMXRight, it sits in Titan Panel
07:00.41GenNMXDoes anyone use MetaMap?
07:00.51Corrodiasmetamap, don't think i've heard of it
07:01.48GenNMXMetaMap is like a combination of MapNotes and Atlas, with MozzFullWorldMap, WoWKB, and Alpha support.
07:02.42Corrodiashooray for fullworldmap
07:03.47Corrodias..huh. i wonder why Silver wrote "SilverTrack" when BCUI Tracking Menu already existed and does the same thing, only better
07:04.48Corrodiasah, he moved the menu
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07:08.52Guillotinecair, you need to get bel into here so we can sing him happy birthday!
07:08.56Guillotineor.. type him happy birthday
07:09.02Corrodiasall right, i'm wanting an addon that keeps track of not only my alt's inventory but also his equipment
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07:11.03Corrodiasbeautiful, looks like one i saw quite a while ago and couldn't think of, thanks
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07:12.44AnduinLotharactually Corrodias, TrackerToggle does the same thing, menu on the minimap
07:13.05Corrodiasi just saw that. hilarious.
07:13.46Corrodiasafter reading the descriptions of those two, i believe i prefer BCUI Tracking Menu, although i'm glad several people stepped up to make a nice menu like that
07:13.58AnduinLotharWe actually came up with TrackerToggle first, I suggested the idea to sinaloit back in may and he coded it up using earth and sea
07:14.40AnduinLotharit's been in Cosmos forever, but i updated it to be dependancy free a month or so ago
07:14.46Corrodiasnifty
07:15.01AnduinLotharI like it better than SilverTrack cause it catagorizes the Tracking types
07:15.11Corrodiasthere appear to be two main differences: TrackerToggle categorizes them and it has a "cancel" option
07:15.13Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:15.30Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:15.42Corrodiasthe bcui one just has them in a list (which can popup on mouseover) and you right-click the icon to "cancel" like in the default UI
07:15.46AnduinLotharwhat does bct have that TrackerToggle doesn't?
07:16.12Corrodiasi might change to trackertoggle. i wonder if i want them categorized.
07:16.33Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:17.03Corrodiasi didn't use that before because i needed to change aspects too quickly. now i use Aspected, so it's moot anyway
07:17.32Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:17.34Corrodiasi assigned F1-whatever to the shapeshift bar so those are for aspects now
07:17.49Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:17.51Corrodiaswell, when my pet dies and something is about to beat my ass i want to hit the monkey key
07:18.10Corrodias*if i can beat it
07:18.41Corrodiasof course, there's no point in sticking around if you can't beat it. then it's WC (or in a few levels, FD) time
07:18.52GenNMXCairenn posts with a Level 32 Hunter on WoW's forums ;)
07:19.44AnduinLotharanyone tried SqueakyWheel?
07:19.50GenNMXHmm, there is a good alternative to Gatherer? It's kinda a resource hog (no pun intended)
07:19.56AnduinLotharis it kinda like emergency monitor in ctra?
07:20.04Corrodiasit is a resource hog, i hear
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07:20.15Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:20.26GenNMXWarmup shows it as my biggest addon, beating out CTRA at 6.1MB
07:20.28Corrodiasyou could just manually make mapnotes for the more valuable deposits of stuff you find, but other than that, i haven't heard of one
07:20.33Corrodiaswarmup?
07:21.44GenNMXCorrodias: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1644
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07:21.50Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:23.15Corrodias!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!warmup!
07:23.35Corrodiasreminds me of the channel list on dalnet, 8 years ago (probably still looks like it did then)
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07:23.51GenNMXHeh, that's just so it can be loaded first, of course.
07:23.57Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:29.05AnduinLotharthe ui.wow zip file names make me want to stab someone
07:29.34Corrodiasyes
07:29.46AnduinLothar~stab ui.wow
07:29.47purlACTION runs at ui.wow with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
07:31.24GenNMXI have a faux swiss army knife keychain with three different size phillips heads, a pair of sissors, and two blades.
07:32.00AnduinLotharspeaking on names... I would really love it if wiwi used named links for it's addons like wowguru
07:32.12AnduinLotharinstead of # ids like curse
07:32.54Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:33.19AnduinLotharprolly better to make links so as to not invalidate links
07:33.33AnduinLotharso that either way works
07:36.10Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:36.13AnduinLotharwow, gatherer is almsot as big as Khaos
07:36.19AnduinLotharthought i did
07:36.25AnduinLothardid i not?
07:36.30Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:37.19AnduinLothari should make earth not error so much with invalid names, that'd prolly make it load a lot faster
07:37.39AnduinLotharhmmm yatlas is pretty huge too
07:38.16AnduinLotharLongest Addon Load: Earth, Biggest Addon: Gatherer
07:38.32Corrodiasdamn, i'm downloading another bunch of addons :(
07:38.44GenNMXWarmup is an interesting read, isn't it?
07:38.57Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:39.03Corrodiashow many are you guys using? i had ~56 non-library, non-helper addons until tonight
07:39.30AnduinLotharum, no idea. think i'm near 100
07:39.39MaldiviaIf I ran Warmup, it would output without a doubt: Longest Addon Load: ItemList, Biggest Addon: ItemList
07:39.52AnduinLotharitem list?
07:40.17Maldiviapersonal mod - lootlink like :)
07:40.38Maldiviacurrently contains 31177 items :)
07:40.47Corrodias*eyebrow*
07:40.58Corrodiasmy lootlink has under 6k, though i've only used it for a few weeks
07:41.03AnduinLothar':/
07:41.18AnduinLotharah, well i dont run lootlike
07:41.42AnduinLotharlink*
07:42.03Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:43.10AnduinLotharalready have auctioneer gathering too much item info
07:43.15GenNMXMaldivia: My KC_Items is only ~400KiB, and it contains about that many items. If you're thinking about optimizing, you may want to take a look at it.
07:43.28GenNMXMy KC_Items meaning my database, not my mod.
07:43.33Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:43.39MaldiviaGenNMX: all my items contains a full tooltip dump :)
07:43.48GenNMXMaldivia: Yeah, I kinda figured ;)
07:44.08Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:44.17Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:44.17MaldiviaGenNMX: well, it's on purpose... use it's saved variables file, to upload to my database, used for my guilds point site :)
07:44.39TainWatchDog is also a great unitframe.
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07:44.54Corrodiasoops, didn't see that one
07:45.54MaldiviaGenNMX: but it's kind of nice to have the full tooltip, so you can recreate the tooltip 100% accurate, if the item's not in your cache :)
07:47.17MaldiviaGenNMX: meaning, I can look at the tooltips for all the items I saw on test servers, even though no one have looted them yet on live server
07:48.00Corrodiasif someone would be so kind, please post at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4377 noting that it doesn't replace or modify any game files and is certifiably NOT against the rules.
07:48.24GenNMXMaldivia: True, but I'd just make a function which parsed an item database of links and then spit out their tooltips into a different file.
07:48.29zeegAnduinLothar, thats mod_rewrite, its simple to apply on any site
07:48.46Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:48.50GenNMXMaldivia: Yeah, I guess to each his own
07:48.51Corrodiasthankies
07:49.01Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:49.03Corrodiasi don't want to register just to post one or two recommendations
07:49.24AnduinLotharthx zeeg, catch that cairenn?>
07:50.15Maldiviamod_rewrite is nice :)
07:50.21Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:50.40Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:50.51TainHe'd still have to do a conversion from the database of the item id to the name.  mod_rewrite just helps you redirect after that.
07:50.56Corrodiasi mean i don't register to post two things on a forum
07:50.57zeegMaldivia, very :)
07:50.58TainThat's the easy part. :)
07:51.01zeegMaldivia, you've seen mmofiles, ya?
07:51.04Corrodiasunless it's incredibly important
07:51.12Corrodiasmy password list is like this long
07:51.17Maldiviayeah
07:52.00GenNMXI just had a crazy idea for a new mod...what if you polled all functions called by a specific addon for some number of plays, then used that information to parse the addon and remove all code you never use?
07:52.01Maldiviazeeg: all your RSS links on front page are 404 :)
07:52.26zeegwhich site?
07:52.31TainYou'd probably remove all of the configuration options, GenNMX. :)
07:52.32Maldiviammofiles
07:52.33CorrodiasSeaHooks.hook(everything)
07:52.37Corrodias;P
07:52.37zeegoh ya mofiles is under construction
07:52.45GenNMXTain: I like 'em plain!
07:52.55Tainhehe
07:53.21TainI was going into some mods and removing out the bits I don't use at all.  But then it got annoying when there was a new version to keep doing it.
07:53.22MaldiviaGenNMX: or use TraceEvent or similar to monitor your mods :)
07:54.13Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:55.14GenNMXCairenn: You should just make a bot which gives wowi download links based on keywords ;)
07:55.29Cairenn<PROTECTED>
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07:55.57Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:56.33futrtrublwhat's teh awesomest ftp client out there? ;']
07:56.35GenNMXSo funny, but useless bots are good, but useful bots are bad?
07:56.45futrtrubl~useless
07:56.47purlACTION starts crying and hides from futrtrubl in the darkest corner of the room. :(
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07:57.36GuillotineZeeg: I just have to let you know I find it funny that your Item Set Comparison tells me to chose Wildheart over Stormrage
07:57.51Guillotinethank you cairenn
07:57.52GenNMXI was thinking it would be cool if we had a bot which could cite from the Lua manual, possibly msg/noticing the target.
07:58.04Guillotinethat would be really cool
07:58.15Guillotinethanks for volunteering to right the bot GenNMX
07:58.18Guillotinewrite*
07:58.20Corrodiasi'll go to bed now, instead of install, test, and evaluate these new addons
07:58.22AnduinLothar~UnitIsDead
07:58.39GenNMXYeah, and/or the WoW API.
07:58.40Cairenn<PROTECTED>
07:58.40purlaw, gee, Cairenn
07:59.09futrtrubl~botsmack
07:59.10purlOWW!
07:59.14futrtrubl;']
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07:59.43GenNMXGuillotine: Cairenn just said knowledge/search bots are bad :(
07:59.57Guillotineawww. why?
08:00.15futrtrublit's a female thing
08:00.31Guillotinethey help-- wait. actually, they don't help at all. You might as well jsut loot it up yourself
08:00.47Guillotinebut their still fun to abu- use
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08:00.58zeegGuillotine, link? lol
08:01.09zeegGenNMX, link me to the manual and ill add it to wowguru
08:01.16GuillotineZeeg: http://www.wowguru.com/db/compare-item-set.php?set_id%5B%5D=185&set_id%5B%5D=205&set_id%5B%5D=&set_id%5B%5D=&set_id%5B%5D=
08:01.39GenNMXzeeg: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html
08:01.46Guillotinesry. thats cenarion. stormrage is http://www.wowguru.com/db/compare-item-set.php?set_id%5B%5D=185&set_id%5B%5D=214&set_id%5B%5D=&set_id%5B%5D=&set_id%5B%5D=
08:01.55zeegill have to fix that Guillotine
08:02.11Tainheh I have characters on Cenarion and Stormrage
08:02.16GenNMXCairenn: I'm only happy if peanut-butter ice cream is involved.
08:02.23zeeghow would you picture it functioning GenNMX?
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08:02.48GuillotineI believe it's b/c you're putting too much emphasis on set bonuses (since thats just about the only thing wildheart beats either of those with)
08:02.54futrtrublmorning Iriel
08:03.03AnduinLotharWoWAPI: UnitIsDead
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08:03.20AnduinLotharWoWWiki: Sea
08:03.48zeegya thats probably it Guillotine
08:03.52Cairenn<PROTECTED>
08:03.58zeegwowapi could be really helpful
08:04.01Guillotinetrue
08:04.02zeegsearching rfom rht eowwiki
08:04.11IrielI dont need the channel spammed with it
08:04.16Guillotinewow. you butchered that sentance zeeg
08:04.19IrielIf you can make purl ONLY send it via tells, it would be ok
08:04.20zeegya i know
08:04.21zeeglol
08:04.33zeegmy bots not even in here so it dont matter, but ill add it to the functions
08:04.38Cairenn<PROTECTED>
08:04.59GenNMXzeeg: If it wasn't 3am, I could give a better answer to that question. The manual is already seperated into sections, I'd say excerpts those sections plus information on each function explained in the manual, and regexp.
08:05.06Guillotineya. it should be a bot that only works through whispers or something
08:05.06IrielYes, but I further object to spamming the channel when they ARE addressed
08:05.23TainIt would be nice for those cases where someone comes in with a question that you know is very clearly answered in the wiki.  Save the five seconds of pasting the wiki link.
08:05.26GenNMXHence why I said msg/noticing ;)
08:05.27zeegAnduinLothar, i can add this to the cosmos chan if you guys want, would it just search API_Name ?
08:05.28zeeghttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_HasAction
08:05.29zeegfor example
08:05.31Tain~lart Iriel
08:05.35GuillotineI have my in-game purl bot populated with just about all functions
08:05.38Guillotineso I don't have to alt-tab
08:05.49GuillotinePanda :D
08:06.07IrielThe thing abotu the wiki link is chances are that person will look in the wiki next time instead of asking at all
08:06.30GenNMXYeah, an ideal bot would give the link too.
08:06.40TainOh yeah, I was actually in my head assuming the link to the page as well.
08:06.48zeegnot just a link though
08:06.51zeegotherwise its worthless
08:07.06TainActually just a link could be better since it forces htem to look it up.
08:07.21IrielYeah, the number of people who can't look up a URL while IRC'ing has to be miniscule
08:07.50zeegthink it'd be best to show
08:07.50GenNMXIriel: Not on EFNet, everyone runs in a SSH session on an old Sparc terminal ;)
08:07.51zeeglike
08:07.53TainThe number of people who *can't* do it is completely unrelated to the number of people who *do* do it.
08:08.01Guillotinethen why have the bot at all? its not too hard to type "www.wowwiki.com" into the address bar
08:08.08IrielGenNMX : They can run lynx too
08:08.08zeeghasAction = hasAction(actionSlot)
08:08.10zeegthat part?
08:08.11Guillotineanyway, g2g all
08:08.57GenNMXIriel: As an avid user of lynx, I feel using it on some websites is like trying to play WoW in "WireFrame" mode.
08:09.04TainI still don't think there's any great need for a bot to do it other than amusement/geek factor.
08:09.12IrielTrue, but wowwiki isn't too bad
08:09.21zeegTain, then you wont need to use it, huh? :P
08:09.32TainI use links intead of lynx anyway. ;)
08:10.28TainWonder if purl has a zeeg to English translator.
08:10.48Corrodiaswow has a wireframe mode?
08:11.01zeegI wonder why Tain insists on causing trouble w/ zeeg day after day..
08:12.57futrtrublbecause I tell him to zeeg
08:13.47TainShh quit causing trouble in the channel.  It's not nice to the other people.
08:13.57zeegseriously
08:14.02Cairenn<PROTECTED>
08:14.06Cairenn<PROTECTED>
08:14.19zeegCairenn, then deal with it, you don't seem to step in until I say something. Remember your rules?
08:14.34zeegeveryday im in here he makes smart remarks
08:14.43TainThat's only because I am smart. :(
08:14.57IrielI think that was directed at both of you
08:15.05IrielIf it wasn't my "Quit it" is.
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08:15.46TainNew version of Visor up!
08:15.56Maldiviaand on that note - I think I'll go to bed, this is getting a tad too early
08:16.11zeeg:|
08:16.44Maldiviait's 9.15am ... ;)
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08:52.36zeeglaptop comes monday
08:52.36zeeg:D
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09:01.55IrielGood night
09:04.55futrwow UI forums are throwing errors at me out the wazoo
09:06.27futr-sleepanyways, g'night Cairenn, Iriel et al
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10:13.23AnduinLotharhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4471  You know you want to
10:18.20AnduinLotharbah, why do they still keep putting Sea on ui.wow.net makes me want to stab someone
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10:39.23Shouryuuwhat's wrong with Sea?
10:42.05id`shh, dont ask
10:42.06id`:P
10:45.20Shouryuulol
10:46.29Shouryuucould it be possible that my firefox is fucking up my internet broadband and computer
10:47.52Shouryuueach time I have it opened I get lag spikes...
10:48.46Shouryuuas soon as I close it, my download speed goes up and no more lagg spikes...
10:49.00id`too many extensions?
10:49.01id`:p
10:49.09Shouryuunope I have none =(
10:50.15ShouryuuI think it's my comp actualy
10:50.24Shouryuumy latency in WoW is like 1.5k
10:50.36Shouryuuon the same connection but on another comp I get around 300 ms...
10:50.58ShouryuuSometimes it goes sluggish and can't even play a movie...
10:51.31ShouryuuBut I don't know what could be causing it. I have tons of free space on my HDD, shouldn't have viruses...
10:52.45ShouryuuAnd have played wow with a proper latency before... I actualy ran MC for the first time with this computer...
10:52.52Shouryuulife is the su><0rz
10:53.17id`<Shouryuu> my latency in WoW is like 1.5k
10:53.22id`>_-
10:53.26Shouryuulol that's bad
10:53.33id`i get 30-40 ms
10:53.42id`if i play on us servers in games its usually 100
10:53.55id`(we have a great if not the best uplink in the world here)
10:54.15ShouryuuI've never been under 300ms
10:54.25Shouryuuand have seen 15k latencies =(
10:54.58Shouryuuok IE is worst than firefox
10:55.08Shouryuuit definetaly is my computer that;s haveing a problem
10:55.15id`windows?
10:55.28Shouryuu=P
10:55.41id`meh, im not a computer doctor :( cant really help you :(
10:56.38Shouryuumeh nevermind
10:57.15Shouryuugonna work on my maths then...
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12:10.42Shouryuuwhoopty doooh!!
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13:07.31AnduinLotharI would like to point out the idiocy of Telo's MobHealth, because all of the functions are local and not usable..
13:07.58AnduinLothartherefore I have to duplicate code in order to use the database
13:08.52Shouryuuwell that sucks I guess
13:12.23AnduinLotharless efficient, more code, just plain dumb... lack of forsite
13:13.05AnduinLotharhe's even fing updated the damn mod recently yet he didn't bother to change it to conform to any standards which made MobHealth2 and MI2 popular... dumb
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13:14.23AnduinLotharw/e Archaeologist now works with Telo
13:14.31AnduinLothar's MobHealth too
13:15.05AnduinLothartho i had to add 40 lines of redundant code
13:15.23AnduinLotharto duplicate local functions and variables
13:21.17Legorolthat's what i do to myself when my brain blows up
13:21.20Legorolg'morning btw
13:21.41AnduinLotharso need to be asleep
13:22.09Legorolcold water helps there too :D
13:24.08AnduinLothardude, jc chasez is such a freak...
13:24.56AnduinLothar"Come to Me" makes me want to stab my eyes out because i like it..
13:25.50Corrodiasdoes anybody use mobhealth instead of mobhealth2?
13:26.05Legoroli certainly don't.. MB2 is better imo
13:26.11AnduinLotharsomeone asked for it on curse cause telo released a new verse
13:26.23Legoroloth, MB2 is an unathorized code-steal, or started as one
13:26.50AnduinLotharya, whatever... so are most forks
13:26.59Legorolwhich doesn't make it right
13:26.59AnduinLothartelo's so close fisted it's sick
13:27.08Legorolhis decision
13:27.22LegorolItemsMatrix started as a LootLink rip as well
13:27.30Corrodiasi view code much like i view pictures
13:27.33Legoroli don't think these guys ever asked Telo if it's OK for them to do so
13:27.35AnduinLotharhis decision was to hold back innovation and not update his crap
13:27.47Legorolyep, a crap decision. his nevertheless
13:28.09AnduinLotharcrap decisions don't fly in open source when u cant enforce them
13:28.14Corrodiasif credit is given to the author of mobhealth for at least implementing the first version of the idea, that's quite enough as fas as i'm concerned
13:28.22Corrodias*far
13:28.27Legorolsource being visible =/= open source =/= GPL
13:28.49LegorolCorrodias, unfortunately not, especially if the author specifically forbids copying of his code
13:28.53AnduinLothardid he gpl his addons?
13:28.58Legorolno he didn't
13:29.02Legoroland that's exactly my point
13:29.11AnduinLotharis it legal to gpl addons?
13:29.13Corrodiaswhat do you mean, "unfortunately not"?
13:29.17Legorolyes it is, AnduinLothar
13:29.21Corrodiasit is enough for me. i just don't care.
13:29.24AnduinLotharnews to me
13:29.31AnduinLothartho ive seen it done
13:29.42LegorolAddOns' copyright resides with the author, not with Blizzard
13:29.47Legorolwhoever tells you otherwise is bullshitting
13:30.06AnduinLotharcopywrite, yes
13:30.12AnduinLotharbut that's not saying much
13:30.28LegorolBy the way, me being the tight-fisted anti-innovation bastard that I am, have a lengthy legal text attached to EquipCompare, forbidding its copying/modification except under specific circumstances ;-)
13:30.44LegorolCopyright says a lot, it means you can't steal that code
13:30.52LegorolIn principle anywa
13:30.53AnduinLotharnah, i can steal it
13:30.56LegorolIn practice, noone cares
13:31.08Corrodiasand i, being the opposite, might rip code right from it, and if somebody wants to make a case from it he can come a-knocking
13:31.08AnduinLotharbut since i cant sell it in makes no legal difference
13:31.18LegorolI think it's a bit unfortunate that people equate source being visible with "i am allowed to copy/modify it"
13:31.33LegorolAnduinLothar, you can even sell it
13:31.37AnduinLotharright
13:31.45LegorolYou can write an AddOn and legally sell it
13:31.52Legoroland prohibit others from copying or selling it
13:31.57Legorolin practice, good luck with enforcing that
13:31.58AnduinLotharso copy write makes no difference since you copy it every time it's downloaded
13:31.59Corrodiastrue - that's the same as images. the fact that you can see it doesn't mean you have a legal right to post it somewhere
13:32.09Legorolwell copyright does make a difference
13:32.17Legorolthe author is giving permission for you to copy it by downloading it
13:32.26Legorolthat's implicit when it's uploaded to a public website
13:32.48Legorolnevertheless, from a legal point of view, that's what's happening: author has copyright, and can decide who can copy it under what circumstances
13:32.50Corrodiasi've seen legal agreements that forbade distributing a free demo
13:32.53LegorolAs i said, that's all in principle
13:33.09LegorolIn practice, most authors and users are not aware of the legal details, nor do they care
13:33.16AnduinLotharcan you prove that it was you that uploaded it and that you are the author?
13:33.18Corrodiasis happening? has he said the mobhealth2 people "can't do that"?
13:33.35LegorolAnduinLothar, if you can't prove that you are the author, you are not even allowed to upload it
13:33.51LegorolCorrodias, that's the thing.. he doesn't need to specifically say it
13:33.54AnduinLotharhow would you prove you are the author?
13:34.05LegorolBy uploading it for the first time ever on the Internet ;-)
13:34.18Corrodiasoh, i know, but if he SAYS it he'll just make himself look like an ass
13:34.26AnduinLotharsomeone could have stolen it before it  went live
13:34.31Legoroli say it specifically, and i look like an ass..
13:34.34Legoroldo i care? no ;-)
13:34.42LegorolAnduinLothar, that's correct
13:34.48AnduinLotharso how do you prove it?
13:35.03Legorolthe thing is, unfortunately the way the law is written, it is up to the person copying it to prove he has permission to do so
13:35.11Legorolit's not up to the author to prove that it's his
13:35.45AnduinLotharok, so how would you disprove that i'm nto the author and you stole it from me?
13:35.54Legorolif it ever goes to court, the way you prove that you are the author is the way you do it with any other copyright or patent disputes:
13:36.00Legorolyou try to amass evidence that you are the one who had it first
13:36.18Corrodias(edit filesystem timestamps)
13:36.31Legorolthere are more to it than just technical details
13:36.36Legorolyou can get eyewitness reports etc.
13:36.52Legorolin a proper court battle, it would involve supporting statements from other people and so on
13:36.56Legoroljust like with any other case
13:37.07Legorolit's not an easy or obvious thing
13:37.26Corrodiassounds interesting
13:37.36LegorolIn 99% of cases like this though, it's fairly straightforward
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13:37.43Cideboo
13:37.56AnduinLotharok, so given you could prove you were the author and that I had stolen and upload your code or modified and uploaded you code, what would my likely punishment be?
13:38.05Legorolbecause the person copying it forgets to modify some minor comment in the source, or can't supply enough evidence that he researched/developed/tested the code whereas the proper author usually can
13:38.24Corrodiasyou'd have to stop letting people download it, which just means other people would start hosting it
13:38.29AnduinLotharfor copywrite infringement of an addon
13:38.30Corrodiasand possibly a fine?
13:38.35LegorolAnduinLothar, the likely punhisment is some smacking of your bottom and some finger wagging in your direction
13:38.43AnduinLotharfigured
13:38.46Shouryuulol
13:39.01Corrodias>_> <_< >_> free spanking?
13:39.03AnduinLotharseems definitely woth court fees
13:39.04LegorolIf you took it seriously, it'd be a fine
13:39.20Legorolbut i think in practice what would matter is the loss of reputation
13:39.30AnduinLotharyours?
13:39.36Corrodiasboth parties, but to different people
13:39.37Legorolif I can convince the community that you stole my code, your reputation would go down
13:39.42Legorolwhich can hurt you more than the smacking
13:39.51Legorolalthough smacking can hurt quite a bit too
13:39.53AnduinLotharif the community cares
13:39.58Legoroli remember from when i was 4 years old..
13:40.05Corrodiasif you openly acknowledge that it's based on his addon, the reputation is split: some people will like you, some people will like him
13:40.15Corrodiasdepends on their opinion of intellectual property
13:40.29AnduinLothari think they'd jsut laugh at the distance it went and still use the better code they were using before
13:40.32Corrodiasand my ride is heading out the door so i'd better get going :o [away]
13:40.35LegorolCorrodias, if you openly acknowledge that its based on his addon, and he didn't give permission for you to do so, then what happens in practice is that
13:40.36Shouryuusorry but I just dropped in this conversation, what are you people debating?
13:40.40Legorolhe is viewed as a prick, and you as a hero
13:40.43Legorolc.f. filesharing
13:41.02LegorolShouryuu, copyright infringement in relation to AddOns
13:41.09AnduinLotharjust drooling on about pointless addon politics
13:41.12Shouryuulol
13:41.29LegorolIt started with a debate on whether it's "right" for someone to take Telo's LootLink and MobHealth and mod it then release it as a different addon under his own name
13:41.44Legorolyah, as AnduinLothar says, we are bored
13:41.49Shouryuulol
13:42.02AnduinLotharnot really, i explicitly said telo was dumb for not implimenting it himself, yet still updating hsi code
13:42.02Shouryuuwell it seems fine to me
13:42.10Legorolbtw, I don't mind looking like a prick, so i have a lengthy legal statement attached to EquipCompare
13:42.20Legorolanyone who steals it shall watch my wrath and expect free spanking
13:42.26Shouryuulol
13:42.32Shouryuuit's not stealing, it's improving
13:42.43Shouryuuand in Telo's case his name is still on the add-on
13:42.51Shouryuuso really, he stil gets the credit
13:42.55AnduinLotharrewrite half the code, then it's your property, is that legal?
13:42.57Legoroland this is where real word practice goes against the law
13:43.10Legorolsince most people think like Corrodias and Shouryuu, the text of the law is worth nothing
13:43.17Legoroland this is how laws get improved
13:43.24Shouryuuwell it's hard to define an add-on as property since it has no value
13:43.30Legorolwhen the majority of society/community start breaking it, it's time for it to change
13:43.34Shouryuulol
13:43.35AnduinLotharit most definitely has value
13:43.44AnduinLotharaddons sites make good money
13:43.51AnduinLotharauthors can get good donation
13:43.51Cideindirectly
13:43.56Cidenot because of the addon itself really
13:43.57LegorolShouryuu, it's properly copyrighted intellectual property, fully protected by the law, and has a lot of value
13:43.58Shouryuuagreed
13:44.10Legorolthe addon itself has value
13:44.24Legoroli have been contacted by game magazines on several occasions who wanted to include my addons on their supplement
13:44.25AnduinLothara collection of addons has more
13:44.36Legorolthose mags make money by selling the mags
13:44.41Legoroland the addons on the supplement are part of it
13:44.44AnduinLotharwhich distribute the addons
13:44.46ShouryuuI haven't
13:44.52Shouryuudoes that make my add-on worthless?
13:44.56Legorolnope
13:44.58AnduinLotharyou're addons are on the top 10 at curse
13:45.08Legorola single addon has very little value, but not 0
13:45.08Shouryuuso the value doesn't come from the mags or sites tehn
13:45.31LegorolI think you can measure an AddOn's value in many different ways:
13:45.34AnduinLotharbut if curse's list determinedd value, oth cide's and mine would be worthless too
13:45.39Legorolhow much could you sell it for? in most cases that's 0
13:45.46Legorolhow popular is it? that you can measure somewhat
13:45.54Legoroldid you enjoy writing it, do people enjoy using it?
13:46.29Legorolimho these all add to an addon's "value"
13:46.31AnduinLothari take it back, CTRA is top at curse, lol
13:46.40Legorolcurse has weird rankings
13:46.49AnduinLotharwell, and cosmos patcher is 5th
13:46.52Legoroltop downloads, top favourites, blah.. there is some correlation between them, though
13:47.04LegorolAnduinLothar, that's just download count
13:47.23Legorolthat download count is because at one point, around 1.4 i think, the only place you could download Cosmos from was curse
13:47.29Legorolfor a brief period after the patch
13:47.31AnduinLotharwhich is highly dependant on number of versions
13:47.40Legorolthat too
13:47.48Legorolevery time i make a new version, it gets about 20k downloads
13:47.56Legoroldoesn't matter if it's a minor bugfix or a major release
13:48.00AnduinLotharoh, u have authorship?
13:48.05Cidehaha AnduinLothar :)
13:48.18Legorolso if i keep adding comments to my code an reuploading, i can improve the download count :D
13:48.54AnduinLotharof Cosmos on curse?
13:49.21Legorolno i don't
13:49.24AnduinLotharTrying to figure out who has the stupid authorship cause net hasn't aproved mine and i wanna put up the mac patcher
13:49.25ShouryuuWhat gives an add-on it's right to be called property? How can an add-on be property? You haven't made money making it, you haven't lost money making it, no one (at least in 99.99% cases) is making money on it. It isn't property as we define it in my opinion
13:49.42LegorolShouryuu, it is property as defined by law ;-)
13:49.48Legorolsame way as any piece of software you write
13:49.50Shouryuustill seems wrong to me =P
13:50.02AnduinLotharI have lost money making addons
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13:50.13Shouryuuwell it just seems hard to steal something that doesn't have a physical value
13:50.16LegorolWhat gives an addon the right to be called property is that someone has "made it"
13:50.21Legorolin the sense of putting creative effort, time and energy into it
13:50.28AnduinLotharbecause i have spent a year of my damned life coding them
13:50.33Legorolit very definitely has value
13:50.58Shouryuutrue
13:51.14Legorolthat's exactly what intellectual property is:
13:51.26AnduinLotharthat and it goes on my resume that I have been doing open source programming and have a bajion current users
13:51.33Legorolsomething that's not physically tangible, yet you spend at least as much if not more energy creating it as a builder takes to make a house
13:52.06Legorola poem, a script for a TV series, a song, an AddOn... all the same
13:52.12AnduinLotharbajion being an exact measurement of users
13:52.24Legorolyou sip coffee, stare at the computer screen, scratch your head and think about it when making it
13:52.32AnduinLotharew coffee
13:52.34Legorolbajion is a very good measurement
13:52.42AnduinLotharmt dew and bawls, pls
13:52.44Legorolok granted i personally live on coke and not cofeee
13:52.48Shouryuulol
13:53.18AnduinLothari'ms tarting a collection of caffinated soda bottles
13:53.33LegorolIntellectual property has existed for thousands of years, and was worth money (a lot). Think about Shakespeare, who made a living (or not, as the case may be, him being piss poor) by selling his plays
13:53.42AnduinLothari bought 3 cases of bawls last time i was within 20 miles of a store that sold them
13:53.43Legorolhe certainly didn't get eh money for the piece of paper or the ink on it
13:54.22AnduinLotharyay for being piss poor
13:54.31Legorolnay for being piss poor
13:54.37AnduinLotharlogorol, you are not my lifetime businessman
13:54.41AnduinLotharnow*
13:54.46Legorolrofl
13:54.49AnduinLotharlegorol even
13:55.05Legorolthat'd cause you to be piss poor for a lifetime
13:55.09Legorolso i recommend against it
13:55.16AnduinLotharaww
13:55.18AnduinLotharhater
13:55.30Legoroli have no business sense
13:55.57AnduinLothargood think my best friend is an international business man making mad $ at age 20
13:56.26Legoroland how much of that comes your way
13:57.14AnduinLotharhe and i have drasticly different views on what matters most, but i get good advice now and then. and he gets my advice too, make a great team, cept that half the time we hate eachother
13:57.55AnduinLotharactually he got his boss to employ me last summer
13:58.15AnduinLotharso i was technically working under him doing tech support at $15 an hour
13:59.10AnduinLotharand he wants to start some sort of business with me, cause he knows i'm creative and he's a business man
13:59.58AnduinLotharproblem is I only work on things I am passionate about and he'll do pretty much anything cause he gets a kick out of making money without actually producing anything himself
14:02.44Shouryuuwho doesn't
14:02.58AnduinLotharwell, i like to actually create things
14:03.16AnduinLothartho i do get a kick out of using auctioneer to make $ i get bored with it
14:05.11AnduinLotharand it's a lot easier for me to simply mark a price than demand a price from a real person
14:08.39AnduinLotharwhatcha working on cide?
14:10.12LegorolAnduinLothar, is AH_QuickSearch 1.9 compatible?
14:10.18Legorolcan i just change the .toc number?
14:10.18AnduinLotharyup
14:10.22Legorolok
14:10.33Legoroli have two problems with it though:
14:10.43Legorol1) doesn't work with AIOI, although not surprising
14:10.46AnduinLothari dont update any sites other than cosmos with toc only changes
14:10.51Legorolpresumably has to hook the onclick function for the buttons in there too
14:11.16AnduinLotharya, aioi and enginv use their own functiosn which is silly if u ask me
14:11.26Legorol2) it seems to need Blizz AuctioneerUI loaded, otherwise you get a nil error
14:11.29Legorollet me get you line number
14:11.57AnduinLotharwell it'd be hard to use w/o the auction house
14:12.15AnduinLotharsince there's an if statement to check if the auction fram eis visible
14:12.30Legorolyah that's the one i was thinking of
14:12.37CideAnduinLothar: oh, a site, fixing bugs, adding features
14:12.47AnduinLotharnon wow?
14:12.53Cidethe site is wow related
14:13.06AnduinLotharah, u do the web stuff for ur wow stuff too?
14:13.08Legoroloth, i can't find that line in AH_QuickSearch now..
14:13.25Cideyeah
14:13.32CideI work on our site too
14:13.40AnduinLotharAh, I'm glad i dont have to do the cosmos web stuff... it eats time
14:14.30AnduinLotharI used to love web design
14:14.51AnduinLothari find addon coding more fun now
14:14.57CideI don't do web design really
14:15.05AnduinLotharjust maintinence?
14:15.19CideI fail bigtime with graphics... I just do the PHP coding
14:15.23LegorolAnduinLothar, I think I see what the problem with AH_QSearch is:
14:15.25Cidewhich I guess could be web design too
14:15.31Cidedepending on how you look at it
14:15.32Legorolalthough you hook the BrowseButtons only once AuctionUI has loaded,
14:15.40Legorolyou hook the containterframe's itembuttons right from the start
14:15.53Legorolso shift-left-clicking an item in your bag with no auctionUI loaded causes a nil error
14:15.57AnduinLotharah ya. my worst decision was not to learn php when i learned python... now i keep putting it off
14:16.27AnduinLotharleg, doesn't it only error if the auction frame is vis?
14:17.11Legorolnope
14:17.19Legoroloffending one is line 44, and specifically BrowseName:IsVisible()
14:17.24AnduinLotharI'm not all that great with graphics either. I'm decent modifying other people's content with photoshop, but otherwise gimped
14:17.29LegorolBroseName is defined in Blizz_AuctionUI
14:17.37AnduinLothark leg, i'll fix it then
14:17.41Legorolso it throws nil error
14:17.45Legorolthanks, much appreciated
14:18.08Legorolas a quick fix, you could just do (BrowseName and BrowseName:IsVisible())
14:18.10AnduinLotharwanna go grab me the aioi and enginv functions to hook to while im at it?
14:18.22Legoroli don't know what enginv is, i can look for the aioi one
14:18.36AnduinLotharbug fixing is boring, i liek to add features when i bug fix
14:19.03Legorolok
14:19.07Legorolaioi: AllInOneInventoryFrameItemButton_OnClick
14:19.14AnduinLotharhttp://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1882
14:19.20Legorolk
14:19.26Legoroli'll go thrawling
14:19.27AnduinLotharand while im at it.. OneBag
14:19.40AnduinLotharhttp://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1778
14:19.49Legorolwow, enginv looks nice..
14:20.12Shouryuuenginv?
14:20.22AnduinLotharheh, ya. if it had khaos regs i'd prolly replace aioi provided sarf didn't have a cow
14:21.54LegorolSarf does have a cow, and a dog and a cat, but that shouldn't stop you ;-)
14:21.59Legorolpersonally i wouldn't do it just yet
14:22.04Legorolenginv seems a bit out of date
14:22.05AnduinLothari wont
14:22.11Legorolat least aioi we have some experience with the code
14:22.18Legorolwell, looks like you want EngInventory_ItemButton_OnClick
14:22.28Shouryuuwhat's enginv?
14:22.43Legorolhttp://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1882
14:22.48AnduinLothar:P
14:22.52Legorolhehe
14:23.25Shouryuuoh nice
14:23.32Legorolon my machine
14:23.40Legorolas in trawling the web for 1.9 compatible version
14:23.44Legorolfor the mods i use
14:23.46Legorolpainful
14:24.03AnduinLotharhaven't done it yet?
14:24.53AnduinLotharwhat's the enginv function?
14:24.56Shouryuuok anyone know how I could mesure my computer's performances? It's been really sluggish for about a month, and I want to make sure it's my computer and not my mind playing games with me
14:24.56AnduinLotharlol nm
14:26.42AnduinLothartest that out for me, eh
14:29.30AnduinLotharsounds like it's time for a hd wipe and windows reinstall shouryuu, recommended every 3 month
14:30.36Shouryuuthat sounds like
14:30.37Shouryuuewww
14:30.57ShouryuuWould defragmenting do any good?
14:31.03AnduinLotharpossibly
14:31.13AnduinLotharwhen was the last time u defragged?
14:31.27Shouryuu1 or 2 month ago
14:31.36AnduinLotharyou should set it to defrag once a week
14:31.38Shouryuuwell I guess I could always try and see
14:31.44Shouryuuekk
14:32.30AnduinLotharwell if u had an archived file system you wouldn't have this problem :P
14:32.44ShouryuuI have no idea what that is
14:33.03Shouryuubut I guess I can only agree
14:33.13AnduinLotharit's a type of file system that does a mini defrag every time you save or copy a file
14:33.26AnduinLotharso that you never have to run a defrag manually
14:33.43AnduinLotharand it takes a fraction of a second longer to save
14:33.51AnduinLothar*write to disk
14:34.03Shouryuumeh I'll just defrag tonight
14:34.06Shouryuuin my sleep
14:34.14AnduinLotharof course it's not compatible with windows and win32
14:35.23AnduinLotharlegorol, tell me it works so i can uload and go to sleep
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14:38.02LegorolAnduinLothar, gimme a few minutes, my WoW is not in a launchable state right now
14:38.16Legoroli'll do it asap
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14:38.35Shouryuurawrr
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14:39.06Shouryuuwhere is that guy anyways?
14:39.27Shouryuuman I hate maths
14:39.30Shouryuuthey are the suxorz
14:39.41AnduinLotharsleepign like normal people
14:40.37LegorolAnduinLothar, don't forget the .toc update whilst you are at it, it's still 1800
14:40.46AnduinLothark
14:42.28Legorolstuck on retr. char
14:42.30Legorol:(
14:42.35Legorolboo boo to Silvermoon
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14:44.07id`Could someone assist me with KC_I?
14:44.08wowguru-9394argh why can't you guys  be on gamesurge D:
14:44.40id`I'm now scanning the auctionhouse
14:44.49id`but
14:45.07id`the tooltips are not different from normal
14:45.13id`e.g. ni kci data
14:45.15id`no*
14:46.24id`ah never mind
14:46.37id`scanning stopped, lovely tooltips :D
14:46.55LegorolAnduinLothar, it's not erroring now without the AuctionUI, but not working with AIOI
14:47.08Legorolas in shift+click in AIOI seems to do nothing, just the normal shift+click
14:47.13Legorolhaven't tested enginv
14:47.38AnduinLotharoh duh, add them  to opt dep in toc
14:48.41Legorolyah, just figured it out at same time you said it :D
14:48.45Legorolload orders are a pain
14:53.03Legorolzomg, if you have files in FrameXML, then FrameXML.log doesn't have anything in it, except: 1/8 14:52:23.562  FrameXML is modified or corrupt
14:53.17AnduinLotharheh
14:53.34Legorolit's a prelude to 1.10, i'd imagine
14:53.36Legorolit's annoying though
14:53.48Legorolit still loads addons
14:53.55Legoroljust doesn't dump the loading to the log
14:54.04Legorolhow do you spell optdeps in toc?
14:54.19AnduinLothar## OptionalDeps: EngInventory, AllInOneInventory
14:55.17Legorolah oops, i spelt it as OptDeps
14:56.09AnduinLotharah, onebag still uses the default functions, so i dont need to make crappy exceptions for it
14:57.46Legorolwow, this is messed up... i am not getting a FrameXML.log at all
14:57.59Legoroli have cleared my framexml folder, thinkingin then the log will show
14:57.59AnduinLotharwhat framexml are u using
14:58.04AnduinLotharah
14:58.07AnduinLotharu have ief?
14:58.16Legorolyah, but not enabled
14:58.20AnduinLotharenable it
14:58.31AnduinLotharit enables detailed logging
14:58.33Legorolyou reckon it needs the FrameXML_Debug call now?
14:58.44AnduinLotharmost likely
14:58.57Legorolwell, AIOI+ah_qsearch works
14:59.02AnduinLotharyay
14:59.54Shouryuumy neighbour totoro is like the coolest movie ever
15:00.18Legorolanother error:
15:00.27Legorolline 30, you also have BrowseName:IsVisible()
15:00.40AnduinLotharbah
15:01.05AnduinLotharfixed
15:01.15Legorolwhy not just do setuphooks once the auctionUI has loaded?
15:01.20Legorolany reason why it has to be done at load time?
15:01.58AnduinLotharmeh
15:02.33AnduinLotharfine...
15:03.07Legorolno no, don't bother
15:03.14Legorolit works as it is, don't change code now
15:03.18Legorolchange code -> bugs ;-)
15:03.26AnduinLotharnah, i dont make bugs
15:03.27LegorolIEF didn't help with FrameXML.log, weird
15:03.28AnduinLotharusers do
15:03.31Legorollol
15:05.09Legorolworks with enginv too
15:05.13Legorolok, i gotta go, have fun
15:05.20Legorolthanks for the fixes
15:05.25AnduinLotharnp, adios
15:17.14Shouryuuquestion
15:17.35Shouryuuwill /script BT, _= UnitBuff("target", i) for i=1,16 do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(BT) end write the name of every buff on your target?
15:18.15AnduinLotharno
15:18.35AnduinLotharit will nil error
15:18.59Shouryuudo I need to add UnitBuff("target",i) in the for loop?
15:19.05AnduinLotharsi
15:19.41ShouryuuIf i'm checking for my dot on a mob, should I use unitDebuff or unitBuff?
15:19.52AnduinLothardebuff
15:19.56Shouryuuok cool thanks
15:21.01AnduinLotharkinda feel sorry for nenes now. i made her two addon ocntributions obsolete
15:21.10AnduinLotharnemes*
15:21.15Shouryuulol
15:21.18AnduinLotharhttp://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=22671
15:21.22Shouryuuyeah saw that
15:21.40AnduinLothartho she got liek 6k dl in three days O.o
15:22.04AnduinLotharthat just boggles my mind... esp on wowi
15:22.29Shouryuulol
15:22.42Shouryuudid she stop because of you?
15:22.59AnduinLothar"Wardrobe has branched 3 times now, following the 1.9 patch! Nemes is thus abandoning her Wardrobe-nemes and TitanWardrobe. Here are the options available to you:"
15:23.23AnduinLotharso she's using and recomends mine now
15:23.35Shouryuulol
15:24.18ShouryuuI have a question
15:24.27Shouryuudo macros have memory?
15:24.30AnduinLotharI'm like "I don't want it! I just fixed it up and it's nice and shiney now. Here, you take it!
15:24.48AnduinLotharum, memory?
15:24.50Shouryuuif I set a = 1; in a macro, will a == 1 the next time I use the macro or will a be nil?
15:25.12AnduinLotharif you dont define as local it will be global
15:25.17AnduinLotharsame as an addon
15:25.19Shouryuuso non-nil
15:25.21Shouryuuok cool
15:25.27ShouryuuI've always thought otherwise
15:25.30Shouryuudon't know why...
15:26.13AnduinLotharshe did make nice screen shots i yoinked and i basicly copied her titan support + a few name changes
15:26.59Shouryuuso what did you change?
15:27.10AnduinLotharread the change log :P
15:27.17AnduinLotharhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4471
15:27.49Shouryuuread, read...
15:28.06AnduinLotharnot that the one line "-Converted code to more object oriented style. Most everything is within the Wardrobe table, even the XML frames"  really describes the 5 hour hell it took..
15:29.20Shouryuulol
15:30.39Shouryuuw00t my add-on has had more than 300 downloads!
15:30.43AnduinLotharya, see Wardrobe-nemes in it's short lifetime amassed mroe dl than perl has on wowi total..
15:30.47ShouryuuI feel all fuzzy and warm and special inside
15:31.12AnduinLotharya downlaods do give fuzzies
15:31.20Shouryuulol
15:31.45Shouryuuwell your's apparantely has about 300 downloads in about what, 3hours? and it's 3am...
15:32.14AnduinLothar9 hrs
15:32.21AnduinLotharsubmitted Yesterday 10:19 PM
15:33.07AnduinLotharhell, wardrobe-nemes has more dl on wowi than all of my 19 addons there combined
15:33.27Shouryuulol
15:33.48AnduinLotharnow do u see how insane that is O.o
15:34.04AnduinLotharSea doesn't even get downloads that fast
15:34.23AnduinLotharunless u could from the cosmos distro which we dont have #'s for
15:34.27AnduinLotharcount*
15:36.00AnduinLotharanyway... http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2391
15:36.05AnduinLotharsleep time for me
15:36.09Shouryuuw00t
15:36.13Shouryuuuploaded my first torrent
15:36.17Shouryuufeal patriotic and shit
15:36.18AnduinLotharnice
15:36.19Shouryuu*feel
15:36.21AnduinLotharlol
15:36.36AnduinLotharwell i just feel liek shit
15:36.39AnduinLotharso sleep
15:36.47AnduinLothartill my 2pm mc run anyway
15:36.54Shouryuuhaha
15:36.56Shouryuunight then
15:46.19Corrodiaswhat, i wonder, is the purpose of ItemSync...
15:47.00Corrodiasthe person who wrote the description on curse didn't bother to actually describe it
15:48.20Shouryuucould anyone help me here
15:48.26Shouryuuwhat does Usage: UnitDeBuff("unit",index[.raidFilter]) mean?
15:48.35Shouryuuespecialy the [.raidFilter] part
15:50.59Corrodiashmm, hmm
15:51.20Corrodiasi fear i know too little about LUA to answer that
15:51.43Shouryuudang
15:51.46Shouryuuthe su><orz
15:51.57Shouryuuand sorry but I have no idea what itemSybc does =P
15:53.28Corrodiasit appears to have some similar function to lootlink, but the description only says "This is a complete rewrite of ItemsMatrix.", as far as describing its function is concerned
15:53.35Corrodiasso i have to search for itemsmatrix, i guess, to find out
15:54.33Shouryuulol
15:54.56Corrodiasit stores the vendor prices of items.
15:55.26Corrodiasi don't know if you even need an addon for that
15:57.47Corrodiasah, perhaps it adds the display in some locations that i don't presently have it, although i think Auctioneer takes care of that already. plus it keeps a database like lootlink
15:58.28ShouryuuI don't like those add-ons
15:58.35Shouryuueat your memory up wayyy to fast
16:00.01Corrodiasah, memory. i love that stuff.
16:00.22Shouryuulol
16:01.01CorrodiasWoW has no memory trouble at all on this desktop as long as i remember not to browse 4chan /hr/ while playing
16:01.21[MoonWolf]Corrodias, :O :P
16:02.07Corrodiasi've done that. firefox consumes memory in great gulps and never releases it
16:02.30CorrodiasWoW doesn't perform well when all its memory has been swapped out :)
16:04.27Ktronheh
16:04.34KtronThat's why I stopped using FF's Chatzilla
16:04.55Shouryuulol I love this avatar http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/beakerbongload/stupidposts.gif
16:05.06KtronI was getting up to like 200mb eaten by FF even when I was only running Chatzilla
16:05.39KtronShouryuu, nice
16:07.17Shouryuuugh
16:07.20ShouryuuI hate maths
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16:08.39Ktronwhich type?
16:10.13Shouryuuthe ones I'm doing right now
16:10.19Shouryuudon't know how you call them in english
16:10.36Shouryuumore or less combinations I think in english
16:11.02Corrodiascombinations and permutations, perhaps
16:11.05Shouryuudo you know nCr(p,n) or maybe C(n,p)?
16:11.10Corrodiasthat's it
16:11.16Shouryuuyup
16:11.18Shouryuubasicly that
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16:11.32Shouryuumixed with awww fucks how do you call that in english
16:11.37Shouryuu"ensembles" in french
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16:11.44kremonteerrr
16:11.48kremontei should know that
16:11.52ShouryuuLike R for reals, N for naturals, C for complexes
16:11.54kremontebut my brain is off today
16:11.58Shouryuulol
16:12.28ShouryuuIt's a mix of combiantion and ensembles, really gets fucked up
16:12.39kremontewhats talking about that involves it?
16:13.12Shouryuuswitch your brain back on for a sec, that made no sens to me :P
16:13.27Corrodiasi vaguely remember combination and permutations being covered in my pre-calculus class
16:13.41kremonteensembles is like, groups or sets
16:13.43Corrodiasor was it discrete [sp] math...
16:13.46Shouryuusets exactly
16:13.53kremontebut i'm not sure how it applies because i don't know what you're all talking about haha
16:13.58Shouryuulol
16:14.05Shouryuuit's a mix of sets and combinations
16:14.30ShouryuuI really hate it
16:14.46kremonteoh no, you're talking about math now?!
16:14.50kremontei better idle
16:14.57Shouryuunah
16:15.12ShouryuuI'm going to study anyways
16:15.16Shouryuushould be studying...
16:15.33kremonteetudier i know french woot
16:15.56Shouryuu|Studyinlol
16:15.58Shouryuu|Studyinw00t
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16:17.35Gelloheya anyone here have access to a non-enUS client?
16:17.45kremonteshouryuu just went afk!
16:18.24Shouryuu|StudyinI don't anyways
16:18.36kremontewtf that doesn't make sense!
16:18.55Gellono worries thanks!
16:19.35Corrodiasdoes WoW read your non-unicode regional setting or are the clients physically different?
16:20.32kremonte(correct me if i'm wrong) aren't the only differences the server list and the locale? =S
16:21.21Corrodiasi have no idea. i suspect mostly all the text will be different, but then that might just be localized lua files
16:22.36kremonteyeah, though i have no idea considering the stuff i've heard about german localization
16:22.45kremontethose silly germans
16:26.32kremontehahaha, video of mass MPK in ffxi...makes me want to play again
16:26.50CorrodiasMPK?
16:27.10kremontetraining mobs to kill players =)
16:27.15kremontethey don't evade bug in ffxi
16:27.47kremonteso someone trained a level 48 AF1 mob in a level 10-20 zone
16:27.48Corrodiasevade bug? >_>
16:28.05kremonteyou know, when you run away from a monster, the monster evades and runs aaway
16:28.16Corrodiasoh, you can't hit him when he runs away, i got it
16:28.39Corrodiasalthough if you try to run, you get dazed when they hit you :P
16:28.44kremonteheh
16:28.55Corrodiasyeah that has pissed me off more than once
16:29.00kremontethe mechanism in ffxi is, no daze or anything, but between each area there's a loading screen
16:29.03kremonte"zoning" =P
16:29.53Corrodiasmy friend related to me a time when someone in WoW used a warlock to enslave a demon and release him in.. stormwind, i think. the interesting part about this mob was that his health would refill whenever he killed somebody. i don't know if the story is true, but that's what he said.
16:30.06kremontenot true =(
16:30.16kremontethough, there is a funny thing you can do
16:30.28kremonteyou can train the mobs in blasted lands that go invincible at 1% to anywhere
16:30.43kremonteso last week a pally had 2 of them, and they were killing the king
16:30.46Corrodiasas i recall, there is some outdoor boss that gains power in some manner when he kills somebody
16:30.52kremonteyea lord kazzak
16:30.54Corrodiashe probably isn't a demon, though
16:31.00kremontehe is a demon but he's a boss
16:31.02Corrodiaswhy do they become invincible at 1%?
16:31.17kremontequest mobs. you have to get theem to 1% when they are near a crystal then touch the crystal
16:31.26kremontebut otherwise they go invincible :)
16:31.29Corrodiasthat sounds like a blast
16:31.48kremonteon those 2 mobs, they got the king to 80% and i got dagger + staff + unarmed to 300/300/240 :D
16:31.57Corrodiasi wonder if mobs can take a zeppelin..
16:32.05kremonteno :(
16:32.13Corrodiashere's my question: how were they stopped, eventually?
16:32.15kremonteGM
16:32.23kremontethey have been trained to IF, it's a pain though
16:32.25Corrodiassure, they ruin all the leet mob fun
16:32.43kremontethey normally stop running at blackrock mountain, so thye only way to get them past is with a priest MCing
16:32.52CorrodiasMC?
16:32.54kremontemind control
16:33.19Corrodiasis that a priest ability or are we talking about the trinket?
16:33.20kremontei had a lot of fun with those 2 mobs in SW keep.. i used searing pain over and over (short cast, +++hate) and slowly pulled them through the city... i had more than 100 guards on them
16:33.22kremontepriest
16:33.46kremonteyou can use MC cap but if it backfires youre screwed, and it wont last long enoughg =/
16:33.57Corrodias100 guards? shit, SW must be absolutely crawling with those guys
16:34.04kremontethey spawn =P
16:34.21Corrodias..ah, that would explain the video i saw of a raid on darnassus
16:34.21kremonteeach guard + civilian spawns lots
16:34.30kremonteyea thats why town raiding is such ap ain
16:35.09kremontethe civs make guards, and to kill guards you aoe, but when you aoe you kill civilians
16:35.39Corrodiasthat's fine for Normal servers.. seems to me, though, that PvP servers should give you credit for raiding towns, not penalties
16:36.06kremonteyup. pvp is dead, raiding pve is no fun
16:36.15kremontei haven't played in a while, there's just nothinjg to do
16:37.59Corrodiasi can see how you might run out of interesting things to do.
16:39.07Corrodiasrepair costs don't help
16:39.29kremonteyup. farm a few hours every week for repairs, raid, farm, raid...bg ain't fun =(
16:39.40kremontelike right now i'm sitting here doing nothing
16:39.47Corrodiashow many alts do you have?
16:40.01kremontelike 3 or 4, but levelling isn't fun the second time around for me
16:40.06Corrodiasah
16:40.08kremonteso what, i get an alt to 60 to
16:40.12kremontefarm raid farm raid farm raid..lol
16:40.23Corrodiasthe fun is in the journey
16:40.37Corrodiasthe party is kind of lame but the road trip is what makes it worth the trouble
16:40.42kremontesame as ffxi :-(
16:40.55kremontegot to 75...ran around jeuno in circles, eventually quit
16:40.55Corrodiasthen, if you don't enjoy that part, then there's really not much reason to play
16:41.08kremontegetting to 60 the first time around was really fun
16:41.47Corrodiaspersonally, i can't wait to see ZG. but maybe by the 10th time i'll have had enough of it to last for a while. :|
16:42.10kremonteyup. was there with my guild as we first cleared zg. was there with my guild on our first kills in bwl..farming isn't fun
16:42.16kremontefarming an instance, farming for gold eh\
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16:55.01AstrylHelp!
16:55.10Shouryuu|StudyinI need somebody!
16:55.15AstrylHelp!
16:55.16ShouryuuHelp!
16:55.21Shouryuunot just anybody!
16:55.22AstrylShoryuu!
16:55.27AstrylYou understand Lua!
16:55.31ShouryuuWhen I was young oh so much younger than todayyyyyyy
16:55.37Shouryuumost people here do
16:55.40kremontehuh
16:55.41kremonteo.O
16:55.44kremontei know lua
16:55.47Shouryuubut I just > them
16:55.49kremonteand i know shouryuu
16:55.53kremonteShouryuu:  LIAR
16:56.01ShouryuuYeah I always lie
16:56.07AstrylWell everyone who understands, help me...
16:56.11AstrylI have some code...
16:56.14Shouryuusomething is wrong with that statement
16:56.19Astryl...And I don't understand what it's doing.
16:56.23Shouryuuuse pastebin to paste it first :p
16:56.26kremonteShouryuu:  don't paradox me
16:56.27AstrylAlready on it
16:56.32kremontei'll have to while 1 you
16:56.37Shouryuuhttp://wow.pastebin.com/450473
16:56.43Shouryuulol
16:56.49kremontelightning
16:57.07Shouryuuman I didn't even finish my song...
16:57.50AstrylOK, pastebin'd
16:57.56Astrylhttp://wow.pastebin.com/496540
16:58.06Corrodiasi started playing subspace for a moment. mistake!
16:58.12Corrodiasthere is no "for a moment" with that game
16:58.19kremontewot's wrong with it
16:58.54AstrylNothing's wrong with it. It works fine. I just want to get at the data it uses from somewhere else.
16:59.04kremontehuhruhrlrhrr?
16:59.13kremontei am so confused, but my brain is off
16:59.33Shouryuulol
16:59.39ShouryuuWhat do you want exactly?
17:00.24Corrodiasthere's too much WHITE in it. it's racist.
17:00.35kremonteshut up
17:00.38Shouryuuagreed
17:00.39kremontei'm orange
17:00.40Shouryuusorry
17:00.43Shouryuubut I have to agree
17:00.46kremonteand i think white people are the best
17:00.51Corrodiaslol
17:00.57kremonteespecially better than those friggin night elves
17:01.21AstrylThat's the function from Asmo Honor Role, which generates the tooltip for itself.
17:01.46Shouryuusounds right to me
17:02.07AstrylIt makes a big tooltip that contains a list of all the people you've killed today, how many times you've killed them, sorted.
17:02.12Corrodiaswell, it's time for my midday nap, i think.
17:02.27AstrylI want to look up from another script, how many times I've killed a certain person today.
17:03.17AstrylSo looking at the Asmo code, it's getting the value for how many times that person has been killed today from...
17:03.19AstrylHKillTrackerData[playerName..'kills'][HonorRank]
17:05.00AstrylI don't understand the HonorRank thing though.
17:05.29AstrylI'm having trouble following where it's getting HonorRank. (And the reasoning for it, anyway)
17:05.55AstrylI'm message()ed it out, and HonorRank is just the rank of that person.
17:06.17Corrodiaswhich person?
17:06.19AstrylWhy it's needed in order to look up the kill count of that person in a subtable, I don't understand.
17:06.26AstrylplayerName..
17:06.32Corrodiasi have no idea, then
17:06.52Astrylkremonte? Shouryuu?
17:07.03Shouryuuthe problem I see
17:07.09Shouryuuis I don't see the rest of the code..
17:07.20AstrylRest of the code?
17:07.49Corrodias'ni. [away] @ bed
17:07.53Shouryuuwait I'm lookkinf :P
17:07.54AstrylOh, for that addon?
17:08.15AstrylOK, I need to go afk like 3 min, I'll b rb
17:08.16Astrylbrb
17:08.49Shouryuuyeah I think having the whole add-on might help
17:09.26kremontewow
17:09.31kremontemy boot loader is AWESOME
17:09.48kremonteafter my listing for linux/windows, i have an ascii cow
17:10.30Shouryuuascii cow?
17:10.33kremonteyea
17:10.41kremontea cow in | / # \'s
17:10.51Shouryuulol
17:11.56Shouryuuastryl the thing is I suspect he hasn't bothered saving the name... So you might have to add-it yourself
17:13.52Shouryuuok he has bothered rememberig the names
17:15.00cladhaireAstryl, its not NEEDED-- but he saves it so he can display it in the tooltip
17:15.28AstrylBack
17:16.08AstrylOK, thank's cladhaire and Shouryuu... So how do I look up the kill count for a certain person?
17:16.28Shouryuuso you want to know how many times you've killed a certain person today via another command that the tooltip?
17:16.33AstrylYes.
17:16.50Shouryuuok let me think then :P
17:16.54AstrylI want to add it to the standard game tooltip.
17:17.20Shouryuua search function?
17:17.31Astryl...You asking me?
17:17.36Shouryuuyeah :P
17:17.46Shouryuuyou want to add a search function to the tooltip?
17:18.17Shouryuuthe best I can do is via a slash command, e.g /asmo John
17:18.28Shouryuu"You have killed john 12 times today"
17:18.40AstrylNah, I can take care of adding it to the game tooltip; I'm just adding another handler for Khaos Tooltips.
17:18.46AstrylOK, sure, that's fine.
17:19.06AstrylIf you can just write me the code to get the value, that's enough.
17:19.13cladhairelocal rank,kills = next(HKillTrackerData[playerName..'kills'])
17:19.27cladhairemore specifically for a mouseover unit
17:19.31cladhairelocal rank, kills = next
17:19.32Shouryuulet cladhair to it, I suck at programing and most things
17:19.50cladhairelocal rank,kills = next(HKillTrackerData[UnitName("mouseover")..'kills'])
17:20.28AstrylSweet, thanks muchly!
17:20.33cladhaireerr/.
17:20.36cladhairethat won't work.
17:20.39Astryl...
17:20.41AstrylOKie.
17:20.44cladhaireto be clear.. what specifically are you trying to do
17:20.51cladhairelook up how many times YOU Have killed someone?
17:20.56Shouryuuyeah
17:20.57AstrylYes.
17:21.08AstrylThat's all this addon tracks.
17:21.17AstrylDoesn't track how many times other people kill other people.
17:21.29cladhaire*nod* i know Asmo.. i roll with him on stormrage
17:21.49AstrylReally. Let him know I love his addon! :)
17:22.06cladhaireand you have a unitID when youi're doin git
17:22.17AstrylYeah.
17:22.31cladhairek gimme a sec
17:22.35AstrylOKie
17:26.42cladhairelocal _, kills = HKillTrackerData[UnitName("player")..kills][UnitName("mouseover").." ("..(GetPVPRankInfo(UnitPVPRank("mouseover")))..")"]
17:26.45cladhaireI think that should cover it.
17:27.00AstrylSweet, thank you muchly!
17:27.17Shouryuuglad I cold stand and watch =P
17:27.20Shouryuu*could
17:27.25Astryl:)
17:27.48AstrylWell Shouryuu, when you're not useful, you're at least decorative!
17:27.59Shouryuuhhe
17:29.36AstrylErr, should that "kills" be in quotes?
17:29.56Shouryuunope
17:29.58cladhaireyes
17:30.02Shouryuudang
17:30.04Shouryuutried :P
17:30.10AstrylOKie
17:38.14AstrylOKie, looks like I've got it done right, now I just need to kill someone...
17:40.16Shouryuulol
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17:48.06Shouryuuf*** firefox
17:48.12Maldiviaok
17:48.13Maldivia?
17:48.17TainPoor Firefox. :(
17:48.23Shouryuulol
17:48.30Shouryuueach time I open it my ping just goes crazy
17:48.35ShouryuuI mean from 2ms to 3000
17:49.52Shouryuurequest timed out, request timed out....
17:49.53Shouryuuigh
17:49.54Shouryuu*ugh
17:51.46Shouryuuthe only thing I like about firefox is the multi-tab thing
18:13.21Ktronthere's more browsers that have tabs... Opera @ http://www.opera.com and Maxthon @ http://www.maxthon.com/ for example... But I like Firefox better than either of those, Firefox has a lot of nice features, a nice theming ability, and the extensions are nice... can't iamgine what you dislike ;)
18:48.26futr-sleepwho wants to be the first person on my forum? forums.edowner.net   ;']
18:51.15futrtrublyay Ktron!
18:52.06KtronI hope you enjoy it, and if you delete it, I will not be offended.
18:52.17Ktronthe only weird thing I noticed
18:52.23Ktronwhen I went to activate and clicked the email link
18:52.44KtronI got a 'you already activated it!' message I think instead of a 'good job, it is now activated.'
18:54.00futrtrublhmmm.... wish I could debug that, but I have no php ability and haven't yet read the phpbb manual ;']
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19:27.32qwxyrany of you guys done some Java before?
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19:29.19Shouryuuw00t I'm seeding my first torrent file
19:29.40TainNot I, qwxyr
19:29.53ShouryuuA vivid sens of duty and accomplishment light within me
19:30.35Tuatarawhat is your question qwxyr?
19:31.19qwxyrI have a simple program, but it's activiting an event to my listener TWICE for some strange reason. Sec I'll link to pastebin
19:31.33qwxyrhttp://pastebin.com/496722
19:32.08id`kaelten around?
19:32.09id`no =(
19:32.22id`http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14358
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19:35.19id`http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2774
19:35.22id`(sorry, curse)
19:36.46Shouryuudoes anyone here think that binding your usual wasd to szxc would be a good idea, since it adds a row of easily reachables keys, qwer and 1234 instead of the usual 1234
19:37.31Malivilthat would actually make sense...
19:37.45Malivilthe thing with qwer though
19:37.50Malivilerr
19:37.51Malivilwasd
19:38.05Shouryuuit's more natural?
19:38.10Malivilis that not only can you reach the 1234 but also the zxcv and all the buttons around it
19:38.20Malivilqerfvcxz plus alt control and space
19:38.28Shouryuuyeah but who reaches for the bottom ones?
19:38.32Malivilme.
19:38.36Shouryuuhehe
19:38.38Malivil=-P
19:38.59Malivilif you use szxc instead od wasd you also have to reach farther for the 1234
19:39.01ShouryuuI've been thinking real hard about keybindings since my druid
19:39.06Shouryuuyeah
19:39.13MalivilYou can do what you want, that's just my preference
19:39.14ShouryuuREALLY further
19:39.22MalivilAlthough it make be the years of wasd gaming that has done it..
19:39.29Shouryuuvery true
19:39.47Maliviltry it out
19:39.51id`im trying to upload my keyboard layout to some pastebin but im havitn trouble with internet sec :|
19:39.57Malivilif you don't like it you can always switch back
19:40.12Shouryuuthe problem is I don't have WoW till february =(
19:40.18Shouryuuso I can only think
19:40.19Maliviloo, why?
19:40.22id`you guys read what i say?
19:40.25MalivilYes.
19:40.26Shouryuuyeah
19:40.28id`:|
19:40.32id`my internet is weird
19:40.33Shouryuuthat add-on sounds like  a cool idea
19:40.35Shouryuuagreed
19:40.36id`some sites work some dont
19:40.44id`pastebin.com doesnt work
19:40.46Shouryuumal - I need to study so WoW is out da window
19:40.48id`google does
19:40.53Maliviloo
19:40.59Malivilid
19:41.02Malivilyou doing wow.pastebin.com?
19:41.11id`the whole domain
19:41.18Malivilno i mean, going to that site
19:41.44Malivilas opposed to a different one
19:42.24id`not really :|
19:42.27id`id spam it
19:42.28id`:
19:42.29id`p
19:42.34Maliviltry
19:42.35Malivilhttp://pastebin.ca/
19:42.39Malivilhttp://paste.uni.cc/
19:42.41id`http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/
19:42.42Malivilhttp://pastebin.co.uk/new
19:42.48id`that works for you?
19:42.50Malivil...nope
19:42.51id`(my own webserver)
19:42.56id`LKJDFH
19:43.04id`:P
19:43.09id`hes screwing with the firewall
19:43.12Maliviloi
19:43.16id`around*
19:43.21Shouryuuanyone here seen JarHead?
19:43.26MalivilI did
19:43.32Shouryuuis it any good?
19:43.36MalivilYea, it's pretty good
19:43.42MalivilI would see it again
19:43.50Shouryuunevermind
19:43.53Shouryuupom poko it is
19:43.57Malivilo.O
19:44.03ShouryuuMiyazaki > Jarhead
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19:50.35pagefaultis honor inspection not working on your guy's servers as well?
19:54.53Malivili don't know...
19:54.56Malivillemme check
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20:21.31Endhmm
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20:24.16id``there, helped my dad with the firewall
20:24.44id``http://pastebin.com/496821
20:24.49id``my wow keyboard layout
20:26.55EndI used to have my action buttons set up like that
20:27.14Endbut I never got used to using the ctrl or alt keys
20:28.18id``i have my ctrl and capslock switched
20:28.23id``(on windows)
20:28.46id``and i really only use buttons 1-5
20:29.07id``look at r f v z and g though
20:29.10id``:)
20:29.33EndI only use 1-4 most of the time, but I have it set up to switch bars whether I am targetting a friendly or an enemy
20:31.47Endhmm
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21:00.34IrielAny cosmos devs on?
21:03.19Legorolyep
21:03.35IrielCan you somehow get a message to Thott to stop using retarded global names like TS
21:03.42Legorolnope
21:03.52IrielAnd maybe pick something that's not so likely to be clobbered by macros/typos/whatever?
21:03.53IrielHm.
21:03.59id``and to chop cosmos up in parts and make each part separately available?
21:04.12Codayuslol
21:04.13id``with a description and screenshot
21:04.17id``like CT for example does
21:04.27IrielOr, failing that, remove Thottbot from the compilation on the grounds that it's overly fragile 8-)
21:04.54id``no really im serious. i might start using things from it but im not going to look through everything myself to see what it does
21:05.14Malivili download it all and get rid of everything but like... 3 things
21:05.19MalivilIts SO annoying to update
21:05.22id``see
21:05.23id``:D
21:05.31LegorolI completely agree with those points
21:05.34id``Good Thing (tm)
21:06.38id``but who is this thott dude
21:06.39id``:p
21:07.02MalivilThe runner or Thottbot
21:07.04Malivil*of
21:07.20id``and he is in charge of cosmos?
21:07.24MalivilNo
21:07.27MalivilThat's Alex
21:07.29MalivilOne of them
21:07.30MalivilAnyway
21:07.44IrielOn the bright side, it was a good way to test my 'what global symbols do I create/use' scanner
21:08.15Malivilnice
21:08.35LegorolIriel, are you using a metatable with __newindex on the global namespace?
21:08.38Legorolor just a simple global scan
21:08.43IrielIt's a lua parser
21:08.51Legoroloh right
21:08.56Irielit runs against the source code
21:08.56Legoroli thought you meant in-game
21:09.04IrielSo it'll miss setglobal/getglobal
21:09.19Legorolbtw, what are we going to do from 1.10 in terms of internal API scans?
21:09.22Irielbut it's handy for finding places you forgot a 'local'
21:09.33Legoroldo you have any ideas yet? because i have some...
21:09.48IrielI've done ALL of my scans to date without subverting FrameXML, so I'll just stick with what I do now
21:09.49krkaI noticed 1.9 is out now... any major and or minor UI changes
21:09.54krka?
21:09.59Legorolyeah, some fun stuff
21:10.05Irielkrka: See my sticky thread (and the API one it links to at the end of the first article)
21:10.35Legorolso ehm, Iriel, do you do in-game scan of the global env?
21:10.56IrielLegorol : Yes, and cross reference it against the symbols created by the FrameXML code
21:11.00Legorolif you do, how do you filter out the Blizzard created ones?
21:11.01Legorolright
21:11.12Legoroli see
21:11.21IrielLegorol : Actually, to be entirely complete, cross reference it against the symbols created by and referenced by the frameXML code
21:11.24Legorolwell, what i was doing until now is to do a getfenv(0) first thing in FrameXML.toc
21:11.47Legorolhm, how is that different than just created by?
21:11.49Irieland a list of the 'potential symbol' names from the executable
21:12.07Legorollet me get this straight
21:12.14Legorolany global function has to be either internal, or Blizz UI defined
21:12.28Legorolso if you take all globals, and subtract the set of Blizz UI created ones, are you not left with the internal ones?
21:12.30krkathanks
21:12.30IrielHooks look different than plain definitions (Though I haven't actually run into any yet, in theory I can find them)
21:12.32Legoroldoes this go wrong somewhere?
21:12.50Legorolhooks?
21:12.56IrielIt's more like 'merge all the different sources of information into a big hairy list and then find what looks right'
21:13.17Legorolwhy do hooks look any different than function definitions?
21:13.26Legorolsorry i don't follow you :(
21:13.37IrielI'm sure it'll go wrong if blizzard start hooking their own global functions (They could for example hook UnitLevel in FrameXML without us being able to avoid it)
21:13.49IrielA hook looks like 'reference global XYZ, define global XYZ'
21:14.02Iriela definition looks like 'define global XYZ'
21:14.05Legoroloh right, i see what you mean
21:14.21Irielso if I see it referenced before it's defined, that's notable
21:14.29Legorolso a hook counts as an internal function, even though it's a definition in Lua
21:14.36Legoroli see
21:14.45Legorolwell the idea i had so far is this:
21:14.59Legoroluntil now i did getfenv(0) before any Blizz code, so that's 100% accurate
21:15.25Legorolhowever, i noticed that a pattern about the function addresses of the internal and Lua defined ones
21:15.46IrielI would imagine they're quite different
21:15.52Legorolso as a test, i did a getfenv(0) after the Blizz code, then filtered the functions into two sets based on the address
21:16.07Legoroli compared this with the normal scan and it gave the same result in terms of what's an internal function
21:16.16Legorolso it seems fairly reliable
21:16.24Legorolhowever, it would go wrong with a hook
21:16.32IrielI would think that's a pretty sound approach
21:16.34Irielin general
21:17.09Legorolat the moment, after 1.10, i will have to use this method
21:17.27Legorolyou know, we should convince slouken to allow us to load code before the Blizz UI
21:17.28IrielYou're reminding me I haven't done a proper scan of 1.9 since it launched.
21:17.30Legorolnot just because of this
21:17.39IrielWe've asked many times, I'm absolutely sure he's heard us.
21:17.40Legorolnothing changed from last test version
21:17.45Legorolok fair enough
21:17.50Legoroli won't ask again then
21:17.56Legorolalthough i haven't asked yet in the 1.10 thread, i think
21:17.58Legorol:D
21:18.34LegorolYou know, however much trouble overriding FrameXML can cause, I don't agree with Blizz that they should lock it down
21:18.47LegorolUnless this is absolutely necessary for them to implement their secure AddOn scheme
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21:19.10Legorolwhich is probably the real reason for the lockdown in my opinion
21:19.16IrielI think it gives them the option of doing 'secure' changes in LUA
21:19.32IrielFor example, they could have fixed the UnitLevel information leak bug in lua code, if we couldn't touch FrameXML
21:19.44Legorolyeah
21:19.52Legorolor,
21:20.03Legorolit's possible for them to give FrameXML code bigger API access than AddOns
21:20.04IrielOr they could remove a bunch of global symbols before giving us access to it
21:20.06Irielyes
21:20.20Legorolalhtough hm, i don't think that'd really work
21:20.25Legorolbecause once the code is running,
21:20.29Irielit's work just fine BUT
21:20.38Legorolit's hard to tell whether you are executing inside FrameXML code or AddOn code
21:20.40Irielit would put a far greater burden on their code to be safely written
21:21.13Legorolyeah
21:21.24IrielFor a temporal solution (i.e. kill everything in the last .toc file) that problem is irrelevant
21:21.38Legorolreason why i think FrameXML lockdown is detrimental for mods is actually testing/playing around, rather than actual deployed AddOns
21:21.44Irielthough for things like letting blizzard code do file IO, and not ours, it's quite hard.
21:21.48IrielI really disagree there
21:22.03IrielI've never really had to edit FrameXML code for any reason
21:22.27Legoroli still have ChatFrame.xml edited for more lines
21:22.29IrielThere have been things I can't do as a result of that, but those turn into feature requests for slouken 8-)
21:22.32Legoroli know we can do that via a method now
21:22.33IrielThat's doable in the API
21:22.42Legorolbut i still haven't bothered writing an addon, when i can just change a number
21:22.44IrielThough I guess it does clear the buffer at present
21:22.50Legorolbut that's not a good argument on my part
21:23.29Legoroli don't know, i just think that the idea that in order to change something minor, you have to put a big package on top of the existing stuff
21:23.34Legorolseems a bit inefficient
21:23.39Legorolbut then again, AddOns are a good thing
21:24.21IrielThe notion that a small addon is a 'big package' is wrong too, IMHO
21:24.30Legorolyeah maybe
21:24.39Legorolit's more of a user-side viewpoint though
21:24.43Legorolusers don't like millions of addons
21:24.48Legorolit's not a question of actual physical size
21:24.53Legorolupdating many many addons is a nuisance
21:24.57Legoroland keeping track of what does what
21:25.13TainThat's why, unfortunatly in my opinion, compilations are so popular.
21:25.18Legorolimagine that, with framexml lockdown, you would have 20 addons all of which simply call a widget method to modify some attrib defined in Blizz XML
21:25.31Legorolnot an unlikely scenario
21:25.32IrielHopefully someone will consolidate the popular ones
21:25.50IrielMost people end up making the exact same tweaks
21:25.57Legoroland then all you have done is have a compilation disguised as an addon
21:26.11IrielWell, not really
21:26.18IrielYou have one addon that does what N addons did before
21:26.27IrielAs long as the things it does are related, it's a better situation
21:26.36Legoroltrue, but where do you draw the line?
21:26.46Legorollet's say you take 20 minor attrib tweaks, and you put them all in one addon
21:26.52Legorolwhat if a person wants one, but not the other?
21:26.55Legorolthen you can have 20 options..
21:26.56Legoroletc. etc.
21:27.04IrielSay it's 20 chat frame tweaks
21:27.05Legorolsame as any bloated compilation, like Cosmos ;-)
21:27.14IrielI think that's fine, assuming the addon is well written
21:27.32Legorolthat's true
21:28.04TainThe other issue is if one of those, "tweaks" breaks for any reason it can stop the rest from loading.
21:28.06Irielif it's 20 completely unrelated tweaks, each with its own slash command as a cut and pasted nightmare, then I agree with you it's not a good idea
21:28.12TainSo then you're out 20 because of 1.
21:29.58TainActually I think it's pretty simple, it depends what the mod author's intentions are.
21:30.37TainIf the intentions are to get the most downloads and be popular than make it the lowest-common denominator of adding everything and the masses who don't isntall anything separately will download it.
21:32.57krkahow could they have fixed UnitLevel info leak in Lua (without overwriting functions, that is)
21:32.59Legoroland then the author gets accused of bloatware-ing, when he adds 1 feature someone doesn't like
21:33.10Legorolkrka, exactly by overwriting it ;-)
21:33.15Legorolhook UnitLevel and filter the result
21:33.39Legorolwouldn't that work?
21:33.43krkayup
21:33.55krkabut is there some reason why they would want to do it in lua instead of in native?
21:34.04Legorolnot that i can see
21:34.13Legorolif you have to push a patch, doesn't really matter where you fix it
21:36.30MentalPowerLegorol!
21:36.40MentalPowerYou have a message in #norganna
21:37.13krka!subscribe to personal message notification service
21:38.10MentalPowerlol
21:38.22IrielIt's easier to develop and test changes in lua than in the C++, I would imagine
21:41.44krkabut the fix for UnitLevel should be easily fixed in C++
21:41.53krkadamn double fix
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21:42.14krkafaster prototyping is a good point though
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21:44.16Shouryuu|Miyazakpom poko is a cool movie
21:46.02krkahaven't seen that porn
21:46.18krkawait, that was an m
21:46.29Shouryuu|Miyazaksmartass =)
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21:54.27kremontegrowl?
21:54.34shouryuu*cower*
21:54.41kremonte*taunt*
21:54.53shouryuuhummm....
21:56.22Anduin|Pooffing guild... cant even get 20 people for an mc anounced a week in advance
21:58.40ShouryuuI feel like such a hero. I'm seeding the only avaible copy of totoro on demonoid
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21:59.26kremontetotoro...?
22:03.31ShouryuuMy neigbhor Totoro
22:04.25Shouryuucould there be any reasons for me to get randomly disconected from internet?
22:04.36Shouryuuthey aren't even disconects
22:04.57ShouryuuI have a like 15k ping for 15 seconds, then everything goes back to normal
22:05.05IrielAre you on dialup? DSL? Cable? Something else?
22:05.20ShouryuuCable
22:05.59ShouryuuWireless and using a router
22:06.22Shouryuuit can take me like 5 mins to load a page...
22:06.47IrielIt could be packet loss or routing problems somewhere
22:06.51kremonteomg Shouryuu lives in my house!
22:06.55ShouryuuI'm thinking routing
22:06.57Shouryuulol
22:06.58kremontecoz i have wireless cable w/ router
22:07.01ShouryuuI'm in your basement
22:07.04kremonteno
22:07.06kremontewait
22:07.08kremonteare you my cousin?
22:07.13Shouryuuyup
22:07.28IrielNext time it happens see if you can ping your router, and the cable company's router
22:07.41Irielsee if the problem is in your house, or in the cable company's network, or the internet at large
22:07.55ShouryuuWhen I try to ping the router I get "request timed out"
22:08.11Shouryuuand how in god's name do I ping the company's router?
22:17.10Shouryuudemonoid.com is really a great torrent site
22:17.38IrielShouryuu : Generally you do a traceroute, and then find the nearest host to you which is pingable
22:17.49*** join/#wowi-lounge Flisher_Coding (n=flisher@modemcable079.38-82-70.mc.videotron.ca)
22:18.01Flisher_CodingHello, anyone using the German Client here?
22:18.24*** join/#wowi-lounge zespri (n=andrews@203.184.58.52)
22:18.24Flisher_CodingI need to know the 2 result of UnitFactionGroup("player") .  Is it Faction, FactionEN or the reverse
22:18.28Cairennhi Flisher_Coding, sorry, not I
22:18.53Iriellocal factionGroup, factionName = UnitFactionGroup("target");
22:18.57IrielIf that helps any
22:18.57ShouryuuIriel - Thanks I'll try that
22:19.11Flisher_CodingIriel: Well, are they localized result?
22:19.23IrielThe 2nd one is
22:19.26IrielThe 1st one isn't
22:19.29zespriHello guys, what is the best gaming site? (Such as features current and upcoming games reviews and is easy to search and navigate?)
22:19.30Irielas far as I can tell
22:19.49Cairennhi zespri
22:19.52Flisher_Codingwell, probably they are both.  Anyway, I need my proof of concept to work in english before localizing
22:19.55Shouryuufor WoW?
22:19.56*** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com)
22:20.00IrielSince the blizzard code uses the first result in referencing image names
22:20.06zespriHow is it going, Cairenn?
22:20.08Irielso it's not localized
22:20.14Cairenngood
22:20.18IrielThe 2nd one, I dont knowe about, but I would imagine it's localized.
22:20.29Irielsince it's a "name"
22:20.31Flisher_Codingah, soo I use the first one :)
22:20.40zespriCairenn - any news? =)
22:21.17Cairennon?
22:21.35Cairennor re your question?
22:21.43Cairennre your question ... *shrug*
22:21.44zespriwell, anything at all that is worth to know =)
22:22.06zespriwell I figured that much =)(
22:23.00Cairennheh, I'm rather behind myself, since I'm taking a bit of a break after last week's patch insanity and trying to enjoy time with my hubby since this is his last week home ...
22:23.25CairennI just pop into channel every now and then to check up on you guys ;)
22:23.39zespriis he going away fro holidays? We just returned form holidays, been away for two weeks
22:23.58ShouryuuI'm glad my internet crashed the day 1.9 came live
22:24.44Cairennwe live in Ottawa Ontario, Canada ... he works in NYC ... the last 2 weeks are the first I've seen him in 6 months, and he's only home for another week till he goes back, after which it'll be another 3 months or so before I get to see him again
22:25.27zesprisounds romantic
22:25.59Cairennoh, yeah, it's just fabulous only seeing your other half 4 times a year /scarcasm
22:26.16kremontescarcasm?
22:26.24kremonteCairenn's sarcasticometer has a scar
22:26.28Cairennheh
22:26.34TemCairenn: have you ever thought of moving to NYC?
22:26.40krkaThat's a REALLY useful invention...
22:26.44kremonteomg, don't ever
22:26.51CairennTem - Lyre graduates in June ...
22:26.52kremonteNYC is like hell except it has much more smog
22:26.53Guillotinetem: I've asked that too. the answer is that her daughter is in her last year of high school
22:26.55Tem(maybe wait until your daughter gradutes)
22:27.02Shouryuuyou've never been in Paris
22:27.07TemI'm so on top of things
22:27.11kremonteShouryuu: paris isn't as red
22:27.18TemShouryuu: I've been to paris
22:27.18ShouryuuI live there
22:27.23Shouryuuit's red to me
22:27.28TemShouryuu: I wouldn't want to live there
22:27.32Shouryuulol
22:27.36kremontemais pour les francais, tout le monde est rouge =X
22:27.37TemShouryuu: people don't know how to drive
22:27.42Shouryuulol
22:27.51Shouryuuhaha driving in paris is fun
22:27.51Cairennshe graduates in June, then goes back for another 1/2 year ... after that, well, I'm moving
22:27.59kremontethe streetlights in paris is red/red/red
22:28.01Shouryuudid you ever see Place de L'etoile?
22:28.06Shouryuutrue dad
22:28.06kremontethe toilet place?
22:28.10Shouryuulol
22:28.12CairennI'm not sure yet *where* I'm moving, but I'm moving
22:28.21Temand you can't turn right at un fuex rouge
22:28.27Temthat gets to me
22:28.28Shouryuuoh noz!
22:28.31pagefaultdon't leave the country, it's crazy out there
22:28.32GuillotineShouryuu: je suis un singe stupide de toilette
22:28.41Shouryuuthat made no sens
22:28.53TemL'etoile is "the stars" for you toilet people
22:29.04ShouryuuTem > you all
22:29.04Guillotine~x fr en je suis un singe stupide de toilette
22:29.12kremontelol
22:29.16Shouryuuvery true
22:29.18Guillotineyup. thats what it was supposed to say :D
22:29.34TemShouryuu: is that the one with the obelisks in the middle?
22:29.38kremontethat would be a good onjoin
22:29.46kremonte<purl> I am a stupid monkey of toilet
22:29.53ShouryuuWell that's what I understood. Still made no sens :P
22:30.01kremontesense!
22:30.02Shouryuuno it's with the arc de triomphe
22:30.02Shouryuuthat HUGE round-about
22:30.03Guillotineba ka terebenjo = stupid toilet rat in chinese :D
22:30.07Temoh right
22:30.16Shouryuuthat's a scay place to drive
22:30.17kremonteGuillotine: anata wa totemo baka desu
22:30.19TemI have some hillarious pictures of how people drive in that intersection
22:30.23Shouryuulol
22:30.27Temactually
22:30.30Tem<PROTECTED>
22:30.38Temwell.. first
22:30.43Guillotinekremonte: and that is?
22:30.45Shouryuuhonestly I wouldn't dare driving there
22:30.50ShouryuuI'd be frightened to death
22:31.35pagefaulttry driving in italy
22:31.37pagefaultit's crazy
22:31.40Shouryuulol
22:31.43kremonteGuillotine:  you are very stupid
22:31.45Shouryuuyeah I heard so
22:31.50Shouryuuhave an Italian friend
22:31.55Shouryuutold me some about it
22:31.56pagefaultif you are crossing the street
22:31.56Guillotinekremonte: right back at ya buddy ;)
22:31.58pagefaultdon't expect cars to stop for you
22:32.20kremonteGuillotine:  im paper ur glue watever u say bounses off of me n sticks @ u
22:32.30kremonte(unles its good :))))) )
22:32.39Tempagefault: god yes
22:32.42Guillotinenope. if I were glue, I wouldn't keep falling out of the channel
22:32.45TemItaly is nuts too
22:32.46Guillotineso I'm obviously not glue
22:33.03id``http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/wow/bastards/
22:33.23Shouryuuwait
22:33.28Shouryuuyou've never been to indonesia
22:33.44Shouryuuthe goverment is usualy to poor to put red lights and shit
22:33.55Shouryuunow driving there is fucked up
22:34.15Guillotineid: whats wrong with that gm?
22:34.38Guillotinealthough I can see what you're saying about the guy that love nurfed...
22:34.38id``nothing
22:34.45id``the moeny selling bastards
22:34.47id``are wrong
22:34.51Guillotineindeed
22:35.04Guillotinebut why is the GM picture under the "bastards" subfolder?
22:35.14Shouryuuokkk there we go again
22:35.14Shouryuumy dl/ul rate droping to 0
22:35.27Shouryuupages freezing
22:35.27Shouryuuarggg
22:35.33id``note the somewhat pretty unfinished UI :)
22:36.05id``Guillotine: because you link 'bastards' to blizzard doesnt mean i do.
22:36.11id``Guillotine: :>:>
22:36.19Guillotineso you
22:36.24Guillotineyou're calling yourself a bastard?
22:36.35Guillotineb/c theres noone else in that screenshot ;)
22:38.15id``*butt head on table*
22:38.26id``no, the guy that got slain by the GM is a bastard
22:39.45Guillotinebut nobody got slain by the Gm in http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/wow/bastards/WoWScrnShot_010806_232943.jpg
22:39.52Guillotinehes just saying goodbye
22:40.07pagefaultyay
22:40.09pagefaultnew family guy
22:40.33id``pagefault: ;O
22:40.39id``i only have season 1 and 2
22:40.42id``and i deleted them
22:40.42id``:|
22:40.46pagefaultnoooo
22:40.52Guillotinedeleted them? as in you dled them?
22:40.55Guillotinenaughty naughty
22:41.02id``already seen them 20x tho
22:41.17id``damn you dam the brocoli and damn the wright brothers!
22:42.58*** join/#wowi-lounge Verlaine (n=Shouryuu@161.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net)
22:43.03Verlainewow
22:43.06Verlainelong live random disconects!
22:43.45Cairenn<PROTECTED>
22:43.46purlAll hail random disconnects!
22:43.50Verlainelol
22:46.40Verlainehow can I traceroute without having to download 1001 apps?
22:47.30Verlaineman I feel so miserably stupid
22:47.59Irieltracert www.yahoo.com
22:48.27Guillotinecmd prompt
22:48.44Verlaineinternet and me do not mix
22:48.57Guillotinei guess not :P
22:49.09Verlainemost things don't mix with me
22:49.25Guillotinetrolling and you mix quite well :D
22:49.29Verlainelol
22:49.31Verlainesmartass
22:49.38Guillotinety
22:49.54Verlainehehe
22:50.06Verlaineoh and thanks Iriel, you are uber =P
22:50.10Cairenn<PROTECTED>
22:50.22Guillotineonly to Shouryuu
22:50.24Guillotine<3
22:50.44Cairenn<PROTECTED>
22:50.56Cairenn<PROTECTED>
22:50.57Guillotinehaha
22:51.11Cairenn<PROTECTED>
22:51.34Verlainelol
22:51.49Verlainefine
22:51.51Verlainepick on me
22:51.56VerlaineSee if I care...
22:52.08Verlaine*ouch*
22:52.10Verlainestopppp it
22:52.12Cairenn<PROTECTED>
22:52.33VerlaineA lot of people must realllly like me then
22:52.43Guillotinehaha
22:53.31Verlainebut I like being miserable :@
22:53.46Guillotinehence why you play a troll
22:53.50Guillotineworst. racial abilities. ever.
22:53.52Verlaineyeah true dat
22:54.34Guillotinealthough the awesome dances kind of make up for it
22:55.03Verlaineawsome is a big word
22:55.26Guillotineespecially in font size 72...
22:55.52id``How does a night elf get to human/dwarf lands?
22:55.56Verlainelol
22:56.02Verlaineboat
22:56.07Verlainetoooo
22:56.09Verlainehummmm
22:56.11Guillotinetake the boat from Auberdine to Menethil Harbor.
22:56.11Verlainesomeplace
22:56.15id``im in rut'theran village
22:56.20id``waiting for boat
22:56.29Guillotineok. that boat takes you to auberdine
22:56.42futrtrublthen take the other to menethil
22:56.51futrtrublthen pray
22:57.02Guillotinefrom there take the OTHER boat to menethil harbor. then run across the wetlands and through the mountany place (just follow the main road)
22:57.26Guillotineand remember to unequip all gear. you WILL die. many times
22:57.35id``dhit the boat was there and i jumped iff
22:57.37id``now its gone
22:57.38id``:|
22:57.47Guillotinejust take the gryphen. its free
22:57.50id``o
22:57.51id``k
22:57.57IrielWhether you die depends on what level you are
22:58.00Verlaineok am I disconected yet?
22:58.05Guillotinenot yet
22:58.07futrtrublnot sure he'll have the auberdine fp yet
22:58.07Guillotinesoon though
22:58.09IrielYou can survive 'usually' at 10/12
22:58.24GuillotineI think you start with it futrtrubl
22:58.30Guillotinemaybe not though...
22:58.38IrielNight elves start with it yes
22:58.49futrtrublI thought you get the fp tutorial mission once you get to auberdine
22:59.10IrielNope
22:59.12Guillotineno. I think thats in rut'theran
22:59.16id``hah, i am good at surviving
22:59.23id``i bet you will not get aggro ONCE
22:59.27id``i will*
22:59.29id``:)
22:59.31Guillotinehaha. I bet you will
22:59.38Irielthe vendor girl in Rutheran gives you the start, then you talk to the flight master there and fly to auberdine
22:59.39Guillotinewhat level are you?
22:59.41id``7:<
22:59.53Guillotineyou will be passing by lvl 25 alligators
22:59.56Guillotinemany
22:59.57futrtrublI bet you he doesn't get it once, I bet you he'll get it more than once
22:59.58id``so? :)
22:59.58IrielYou'll get aggro then, unless lots of people are doing the crocolisk quests
23:00.21IrielAND you're fantastically lucky with spiders
23:00.22Guillotineahhh. futrtrubl is probably right. lol
23:00.35IrielAND someone's doing the orc(?) quests in the mountain pass
23:00.48Guillotinethose you can avoid
23:00.55Guillotineby just going on the far side of the road
23:00.59IrielIt depends if they're in the middle of the road or not
23:01.03Guillotinetrue
23:02.01TainWhy did the orc cross the road?
23:02.14Verlaineto proove he wasn't an orc?
23:02.23TainNo, he was handcuffed to the chicken
23:02.24Guillotineto kill id''
23:02.27Guillotineoh
23:02.30Guillotinethat works too
23:02.32Verlainelo
23:02.35Guillotineexcept that chickens don't have hands
23:02.43Verlainethey do
23:03.10Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:03.20Tainmmm chicken fingers!
23:03.21id``lo
23:03.21id``l
23:03.25Verlainetrue dat
23:03.35Guillotineok. then where are the nuggets on a chicken?
23:03.39futrtrublCairenn, come by forums.edowner.net ;']
23:03.41Guillotineand the wings on the buffalo?
23:03.45Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:03.48Verlainenuggets don't come from chickens
23:04.01Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:04.13Verlainehow can you type that guy's name
23:04.20Verlainefutrtrubl
23:04.22Verlainemy god
23:04.23Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:04.25Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:04.28Verlainelol
23:04.30futrtrublyou probably don't, it's my new forum/website (in construction)
23:04.31TainI liked Tab Clear
23:04.35Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:04.47Shouryuuw00t
23:05.03Shouryuuwelllllll
23:05.07Shouryuutime for me sleep
23:05.08Guillotinehaha futrtrubl. that site is hilarious
23:05.10Shouryuusee yaws
23:05.13Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:05.13TemAha!
23:05.16Temhttp://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4816/france0967mu.jpg
23:05.21Guillotinei love phrasty's comments
23:05.29Temhttp://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3017/france0943cw.jpg
23:05.39Shouryu|Sleepingoh l
23:05.41futrtrublyeah, was over at his house when he posted them ;']
23:05.42Shouryu|Sleeping'etoile
23:05.42Temhttp://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3017/france0943cw.jpg
23:05.54Temhttp://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4074/france0936pu.jpg
23:06.01Temtook me forever to find them
23:06.02Guillotinewow. that intersection is freakign scary
23:06.04Shouryu|Sleepinglol
23:06.15Temhttp://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=france0922rw.jpg
23:06.30TemIt's a big roundabout with no lanes
23:06.37Shouryu|Sleepingno lights
23:06.39Temit's terrifying
23:06.44Shouryu|Sleepingyup
23:07.01Shouryu|Sleepingyou basicly have to charge into the center
23:07.02TainLook kids, Big Ben, Parliament
23:07.16Shouryu|Sleepingsince priority is on the right hand side
23:07.25Shouryu|Sleepingpray people let you through and then pray to find a way out
23:07.40Temhehe
23:07.46Shouryu|Sleepinghaha do you guys have Smarts in the US?
23:07.51Temoh and ignore the time on those pictures...
23:08.05Temit's US time I didn't change the time on the camera
23:08.16TainDepends who you ask, Shouryu.  Most people don't seem to think we have any smarts in the US.
23:08.17Temno we don't have those adorable little cars
23:08.22Shouryu|Sleepinglol
23:08.30TemI, personally, wouldn't fit
23:08.34Guillotinehaha
23:09.38*** join/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu (n=Shouryuu@161.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net)
23:09.45Shouryuugreat
23:10.52Shouryuuarghh I hate my computer
23:11.47Shouryuulol
23:12.05Shouryuuahhh well nvm
23:12.06Shouryuuit's late
23:12.08Shouryuusee you
23:16.58Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:17.44id``zzzz walking to loch modan
23:17.55id``no aggro whatsoever
23:17.58id``piece cake ;x
23:18.42kremontelaalalala
23:19.18Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:19.29kremontewhat's restricted 80x80? o_O
23:20.24Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:21.20*** part/#wowi-lounge Anduin|Poof (n=KarlKFI@ip70-187-188-195.oc.oc.cox.net)
23:23.53Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:24.27Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:26.35futrtrublI can bump the avatar size up, I'm not low on space or anything
23:27.30futrtrublwhat size would you like?
23:27.47Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:28.14futrtrublwell, I'm going to bump it up anyway since I agree it is too small
23:28.18kremonteTem|TOTALANNIHIL: +ATION
23:28.28Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:29.01id``IF here i am
23:29.06id``=P
23:29.13kremonteid``:  huh
23:29.15futrtrublit's now set to 120x120
23:29.15Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:29.19Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:29.27Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:29.32id``kremonte: ?
23:29.38futrtrublgreat minds.... ;']
23:29.39kremonteid``: IF here i am
23:29.58id``kremonte: yeah traveled from EF lands to dwarven lands
23:30.02kremontefutrtrubl has a site? gah i'm out of the loop
23:30.05id``NE*
23:30.07kremonteoh NE lands
23:30.08Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:30.11futrtrublnow to extract default unit portraits from wow...
23:30.11kremonteyea that was a fun trip on my druid
23:30.22kremontebear form > mobs 14 levels higher than i
23:30.28Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:30.35futrtrublCairenn, stop reading my mind, it's not polite!
23:30.35kremontethe ones on the WoW site i think?
23:30.59futrtrublhuman male/female, orc male/female etc
23:31.05Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:31.08futrtrublexactly kremonte
23:31.18Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:31.27Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:31.46futrtrublcool, I can steal them?
23:31.50Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:31.58futrtrublthanks Cairenn
23:32.02Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:32.06Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:32.09futrtrublof course
23:32.14Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:32.28futrtrublbite
23:32.46Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:32.50Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:32.56Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:33.18futrtrubldamn, I can't just grab your avatars directory
23:33.23Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:33.31Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:33.50futrtrublCairenn, you don't need to be this helpful you know ;']
23:34.09futrtrubl;']
23:34.23Endoh
23:34.24Enddoh
23:34.29futrtrubland hell has frozen over
23:34.30Endstupid me can't program C
23:35.13Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:35.52Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:37.09Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:37.20Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:37.45Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:38.20TainI got my old EQ image!  I found it!
23:38.21Tainhttp://www.crushingdreams.com/images/tain.png
23:38.27futrtrubloops, was replying on my forum.... author@beb.edowner.net
23:38.31Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:38.46Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:39.04futrtrublthanks alot for this cair
23:39.26Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:39.27Guillotinehaha tain
23:39.59futrtrublI'm going to try learn this php stuff and make the forum look like WoW frames.... maybe
23:40.51id``php is easy
23:40.54MaldiviaAnyone remember where slouken posted the UnitDebuff changes - with the new filter paramter ?
23:41.07cladhairehold on a sec
23:41.09cladhairei'll get em to ya
23:41.31id``im bwuffing my fweef
23:41.49cladhairebuffTexture, buffApplications = UnitBuff(unitName, buffIndex, castable);
23:41.59Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:42.00cladhairedebuffTexture, debuffApplications = UnitDebuff(unitName, debuffIndex, dispellable)
23:42.19MaldiviaI'm looking for the actual post - not the syntax :)
23:42.35cladhairei missed the post, but i love the new filters.. so i've played with them a ton =)
23:42.50MaldiviaUnitBuff doesn't seem to work with the filter..
23:43.23cladhairereally?
23:43.35Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:43.51Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:43.58Maldiviacladhaire: as a mage, tried casting AI on myself... and then testing: UnitBuff("player", 1, "1") returns nil
23:44.22cladhairei'm getting the same.
23:44.23cladhaireodd.
23:44.27cladhairefor MoTW
23:44.46cladhaireoh wait.
23:44.48cladhairehold on a second.
23:45.25Maldiviafound this line: Blizzard_RaidUI.lua:                    debuff = UnitBuff(unit, i, SHOW_CASTABLE_BUFFS);
23:45.42futrtrublchecking those out cair
23:46.11Maldiviaand as a mage, I consider AI to be a  Castable buff :)
23:46.21cladhaireyes, but is that option set in your UI?
23:47.00cladhaireits working in reverse from what I can tell.
23:47.05cladhairewhich is probably bad =)
23:47.27cladhairei'd need to get on my priest to debuff myself.
23:47.38Maldiviadebuffs works - from what I can tell
23:48.05cladhaireThe UI sets SHOW_CASTABLE_BUFFS to 0 and 1, as expected (off, and on) by the UI
23:48.23Maldiviawell, seems it sets it to "0" or "1"
23:48.23cladhaireerr
23:48.26cladhaireyes
23:48.43cladhaireiw as juct checking to see if it did it backwards for some odd reason, but it doesn't appear to
23:50.36MaldiviaFor Recently Bandaged (my favorite test debuff :) - UnitDebuff("player", 1, "0") return it, and UnitDebuff("player", 1, "1") returns nil
23:50.56Maldiviaas a mage - just checked with a curse - and UnitDebuff returned it in both situations
23:51.03cladhairek
23:51.14cladhairewell i can confirm that there appears to be an issues with the third argument of UnitBuf
23:52.10MaldiviaI can see it's being used in the Blizzard UI code - so must be a bug
23:52.38cladhaireI would tend to agree =)
23:53.39cladhairei dont think he ever posted, or at least i never saw it.
23:53.43MaldiviaTooltip:SetUnitBuff(unit, index, filter)  -- has the same problem, from a quick test
23:53.48cladhaireIriel saw the changes in his analysis
23:54.10cladhaireooh.. whats it do?
23:54.44Flisher_CodingPhase 1 is to allow everyone to be aware of important cooldown in your raid, and special spell like blessing of king/inervate availability
23:55.17cladhairefun
23:55.19Flisher_CodingCairenn: Yeah! but RaidAwareness was too present in my mind to work on CV.  Altho the local CV is a little bit more updated than the released one :)
23:55.35Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:55.41cladhaire=(
23:55.44Flisher_Coding1 thing, should we get rid of the normal bag view, being replaced by a list or something else?
23:56.19Flisher_CodingChanging the bag coding can be nice, but alot of people complain CV bank/inventory take too much space
23:56.44EndI like the way it looks...but it does take an awful lot of space >_<
23:56.56EndI can't say whether I would want it changed or not
23:58.20Flisher_CodingMaybe I could scale down the bagsize.
23:58.27Maldiviawish there was a sticky blizzard UI / API bug thread, to post in
23:58.44Cairenn<PROTECTED>
23:59.54Flisher_CodingI think it'll make it, I have to rewrite the whole bag thing, will probably take a look to the new BankItems code since I was based on their code in the past

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