irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20060115

`00:00.29`	`Tem`	`Oh wow I never realized you couldn't change the metatable of userdata`
`00:01.04`	`Tem`	`I'm glad blizzard didn't have access to the new way for userdata to be attached to tables when they wrote wow...`
`00:01.24`	`Tem`	`I'd be pretty bored if I couldn't change a frame's metatable since that's like 40% of my day`
`00:02.04`	`Iriel`	`8-)`
`00:02.58`	`Tem`	`holy cow I didn't know there was a __gc metatable entry`
`00:03.10`	`Tem`	`I can't wait to think of a practical use for it!`
`00:03.27`	`Iriel`	`It's only for userdata`
`00:03.29`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`00:16.31`	id`	00:39 <id`> reputation 5360/6000 lvl 18
`00:16.31`	id`	00:40 <id`> what happens when i get to 6000 ?
`00:17.39`	`Cide`	`you get honored`
`00:17.57`	`Cide`	`which gives you 10% discount with that faction`
`00:18.38`	id`	`nice`
`00:18.59`	id`	`and there is nothing after that?`
`00:19.29`	`Maldivia`	`after honored (12000 faction points) there's revered (21000 faction points), and then exalted`
`00:24.07`	`Cide`	`so, I commented out every reference to HPBar in CT_RaidAssist.lua, and it still lags`
`00:24.19`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@c-66-229-214-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`00:24.28`	`Iriel`	`But if you replace them with a dummy frame it doesnt?`
`00:24.34`	`Cide`	`let me try that now`
`00:27.53`	`cladhaire`	`Alright folks.. headed out to a friends house to watch basketball. Have Fun!`
`00:27.53`	`Cide`	`it still does (commented out all SetStatusBarColor, SetMinMaxValues and SetValue calls and made it a Frame)`
`00:27.56`	`Tain`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:28.00`	`Cide`	`with just <Frame name="$parentHPBar"/>`
`00:28.00`	`clad\|afk`	`aye`
`00:28.01`	`Tain`	`But the NFL playoffs are on!`
`00:28.05`	`clad\|afk`	`...`
`00:28.09`	`Tem`	`Ok 2 things`
`00:28.12`	`Tem`	`The NFL is crap`
`00:28.14`	`clad\|afk`	`college sports > pro sports`
`00:28.18`	`Tem`	`and Basketball is boring`
`00:28.22`	`clad\|afk`	`with few exceptions`
`00:28.30`	`Tem`	`but College Sports > Pro Sports`
`00:28.31`	`clad\|afk`	`Tem: Thats just cause your basketball team sucks =)`
`00:28.32`	`Tem`	`no exceptions`
`00:28.34`	`Depherios`	`America needs rugby :P`
`00:28.36`	`Tain`	`hah`
`00:28.41`	`Tain`	`A handful of college teams have good sports.`
`00:28.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`seahawks are winning`
`00:28.54`	`Tain`	`The rest are 120 to 30 blowouts`
`00:29.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`but i stopped watching. ZG time`
`00:29.10`	`Tem`	`clad\|afk: it really has nothing to do with how much LSU's basketball team sucks. I've always hated basketball`
`00:29.15`	`clad\|afk`	`well this is Syracuse basketball in the Big East.. so it'll be enjouyable =)`
`00:29.22`	`Tain`	`oh. Well Big East is ok.`
`00:29.24`	`clad\|afk`	`Tem: I know.. just pokin fun.. i dont want to talk about our football team =)`
`00:29.27`	`Tain`	`You may carry on.`
`00:29.38`	`Tain`	`:)`
`00:32.48`	`Cide`	`hm`
`00:33.15`	`Cide`	`it doesn't have to be HPBar really`
`00:33.31`	`Cide`	`it could be HPBG or Percent too (they are also shown when HPBar is)`
`00:34.31`	`Iriel`	`Hm, try hiding those 8-)`
`00:34.47`	`Cide`	`yeah, as soon as I take out about 500 peacebloom from my mailbox :)`
`00:36.11`	`Tem`	`Cide, didn't you write something to do that for you?`
`00:36.35`	`Cide`	`CT_MailMod does that, yeah`
`00:36.42`	`Cide`	`but it takes some time and I have to turn them in too`
`00:37.11`	`Tem`	`and I assume you have a mod to do that too?`
`00:37.27`	`Cide`	`just a macro`
`00:40.11`	`Tem`	`ah`
`00:40.18`	`Tem`	`phpBB : Critical Error:Could not connect to the database`
`00:40.21`	`Tem`	`ouch...`
`00:40.45`	`Cide`	`that's never good`
`00:42.06`	`Tem`	`yeah especially when I need to use that database to run the raid invites...`
`00:42.13`	`Tem`	`in 45 minutes`
`00:43.51`	`kremonte_`	`haha.. [Sulfuras, Hand of Kremonte] in guild chat, then someone in darnassus whispers me, "im reporting u to a gm for hacking links"`
`00:43.54`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol (i=legorol@cpc3-cmbg6-6-0-cust242.cmbg.cable.ntl.com)`
`00:44.49`	`Tem`	`rofl kremonte, how did you change the name without getting booted from the server?`
`00:45.24`	`kremonte_`	`:-)`
`00:45.39`	`kremonte_`	`i haver the link's name in chinese`
`00:45.43`	`kremonte_`	`so im just addin text to it`
`00:45.57`	`kremonte_`	`i can sell epic [Wang]s too`
`00:46.47`	`Tem`	`oh I see`
`00:47.07`	`Tem`	`the simple chinese isn't shown so only the text you put after it is shown?`
`00:47.16`	`kremonte_`	`yup.`
`00:48.31`	`kremonte_`	`wow tem`
`00:48.39`	`Tem`	`?`
`00:48.39`	`kremonte_`	`you are the only one to understand that the first time i explained it o_O`
`00:48.43`	`End`	`that's interesting`
`00:48.59`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`00:49.08`	`End`	`I shall have to abuse that a little >:P`
`00:49.10`	`End`	`brb`
`00:49.26`	`Tem`	`I'm looking forward to it later tonight`
`00:49.40`	`Iriel`	`You do know you might actually GET suspended`
`00:49.49`	`kremonte_`	`naw`
`00:49.54`	`kremonte_`	`im not using it for nything`
`00:49.55`	`Tem`	`well my guild wouldn't do that to me`
`00:50.05`	`Depherios`	`the link goes to the regular item anyway doesn't it?`
`00:50.07`	`kremonte_`	`i just linked Sulfuras, Hand of Kremonte, and Kremonte, Destroyer of Worlds in guild chat`
`00:50.11`	`kremonte_`	`some dumbass linkd it in IF`
`00:50.14`	`kremonte_`	`yes Depherios`
`00:50.28`	`Tem`	`I'm just going to /me receives loot: [Sulfuras, Hand of Tem]. in MC`
`00:50.31`	`kremonte_`	`Iriel: slouken told met o have fun with it >:D`
`00:50.34`	`Depherios`	`so it's not like you can really trick anybody with it`
`00:50.48`	`Tem`	`after we kill a boss`
`00:50.48`	`kremonte_`	`Tem: Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of Tem`
`00:51.07`	`Tem`	`oh right, so how do you go about getting the simple chinese names for these items?`
`00:51.08`	`Iriel`	`kremonte_ : Including the chinese version?`
`00:51.17`	`kremonte_`	`Iriel: huh?`
`00:51.20`	`kremonte_`	`Tem: WoW Guru`
`00:51.27`	`Tem`	`?`
`00:51.35`	`Tem`	`they have items there?`
`00:51.39`	`kremonte_`	`sec`
`00:51.44`	`Iriel`	`kremonte_ : This specific variant (with the chinese naems), or the basic english one?`
`00:51.55`	`Tem`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:52.01`	`Iriel`	`Interesting, so OnMouseUp gets called only for the frame which OnMouseDown got called for`
`00:52.05`	`kremonte_`	`http://www.wowguru.com/db/items/thunderfury-blessed-blade-of-the-windseeker-id19019/`
`00:52.17`	`kremonte_`	`Iriel: i dont understand`
`00:52.28`	`kremonte_`	`i am using the simplified chinese names, and since the game doesnt check for localization, it passes`
`00:52.41`	`kremonte_`	`then its just a matter of spoofing text on, which was already done awhile ago`
`00:52.46`	`Iriel`	`You said slouken said to have fun with it`
`00:52.56`	`Iriel`	`Had you introduced the localization version at that point`
`00:53.01`	`kremonte_`	`he said, iirc, 'Have fun selling [Wang] then'`
`00:53.06`	`kremonte_`	`it was earlier today`
`00:53.09`	`Iriel`	`ah, ok`
`00:53.18`	`Iriel`	`and it was actually slouken 8-) ?`
`00:53.20`	`Tem`	`kremonte there is no translation for that item`
`00:53.24`	`kremonte_`	`Iriel: ya`
`00:53.32`	`Tem`	`and can I have your mod to make this easier?`
`00:53.33`	`Depherios`	`http://zh.wowguru.com/db/spells/%E9%9B%B7%E9%9C%86%E4%B9%8B%E6%80%92-id21992/`
`00:53.35`	`kremonte_`	`Tem: yea, you might find it on google, otherwise youre SOL =/`
`00:53.47`	`kremonte_`	`Tem: i manually default-chat-frame it`
`00:53.52`	`Tem`	`I'm far too lazy to type \124 alot`
`00:53.55`	`Depherios`	`oops, that's the effect isn't it`
`00:53.58`	`kremonte_`	`yes`
`00:53.59`	`kremonte_`	`lol`
`00:54.50`	`Depherios`	`how did I get there? clicks back a bunch`
`00:54.52`	`Depherios`	`oh... I see`
`00:55.23`	`Tem`	`oh right... do I need a language pack installed?`
`00:55.37`	`Depherios`	`copy paste would work I think`
`00:55.46`	`kremonte_`	`Tem: thunderfury isnt there period, though`
`00:55.57`	`kremonte_`	`but Tem, you can use my stuff as a base`
`00:56.04`	`kremonte_`	`dan-rouse.com/spoofer.zip`
`00:56.14`	`Tem`	`thanks`
`00:56.18`	`kremonte_`	`then edit DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[2].hex .. "\124Hitem:11122:0:0:0\124h[???????]\124h\124r") to make the initial link`
`00:56.50`	`Maldivia`	`kremonte: and luckily for you, the ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS now contains the actual colors :)`
`00:56.55`	`Tem`	`I hope the elementium bars are there`
`00:57.24`	`Iriel`	`there isn't a script handler for a frame being moved is there?`
`00:58.09`	`Tem`	`Iriel: no, but it should be pretty easy to hook all the methods of moving one`
`00:58.24`	`Tem`	`Iriel: what are you doing? I'm interested in what you are fooling with`
`00:58.29`	`Iriel`	`I'm going to have to use an OnUpdate`
`00:58.38`	`Iriel`	`I'm trying to do a fairly complex dragging model`
`00:58.45`	`Iriel`	`to move/rotate/scale a stat ring`
`00:59.01`	`Iriel`	`so i'm actually having the cursor pick up a transparent 'anchor' frame`
`00:59.23`	`Tem`	`ah`
`00:59.36`	`Tem`	`rofl`
`00:59.41`	`kremonte_`	`Tem: sulfuras works`
`00:59.48`	`Tem`	`"I wish my grass were emo so it would cut itself"`
`01:00.29`	`Tem`	`kremonte_: I'm looking for a lengendary item with no stats on it`
`01:00.31`	`kremonte_`	`lool`
`01:01.16`	`Tem`	`any suggestsions?`
`01:01.47`	`kremonte_`	`check elementium? :S`
`01:01.52`	`kremonte_`	`or bindings of the windseeker`
`01:02.10`	`End`	`elementium is only epic`
`01:02.18`	`End`	`isn';t it?`
`01:02.23`	`Maldivia`	`Elementium Bar`
`01:02.25`	`Cide`	`the ore is`
`01:02.26`	`Tem`	`elementium is legendary`
`01:02.26`	`End`	`oh`
`01:02.30`	`End`	`ok`
`01:02.32`	`Maldivia`	`(id 17771)`
`01:02.33`	`Tem`	`but it doesn't have a translation`
`01:02.45`	`Iriel`	`Tip: OnUpdate scripts dont work if you dont actually put them on your frame`
`01:03.10`	`kremonte_`	`Tem: indings?`
`01:03.12`	`kremonte_`	`bindings`
`01:03.22`	`Tem`	`hehe`
`01:03.39`	`Tem`	`kremonte they have stuff on em`
`01:03.53`	`Tem`	`elementium bar is the perfect choice`
`01:03.57`	`Tem`	`I just need the translation`
`01:04.30`	`kremonte_`	`ya Tem`
`01:04.36`	`Tem`	`bleh I guess it will have to be only epic`
`01:04.39`	`kremonte_`	`bindings of the windseeker might havve it`
`01:04.43`	`kremonte_`	`oh wait`
`01:04.44`	`kremonte_`	`they have stats`
`01:04.46`	`kremonte_`	`=X`
`01:04.48`	`Tem`	`aye`
`01:04.49`	`kremonte_`	`why do you want no stats?`
`01:04.59`	`Tem`	`so my guild has no idea wtf is going on`
`01:05.14`	`kremonte_`	`lol`
`01:05.21`	`kremonte_`	`but they still see the name of the orig oin the tooltip`
`01:05.39`	`Tem`	`oh?`
`01:05.40`	`Tem`	`aww`
`01:06.24`	`kremonte_`	`thats what itemRef is for ^^`
`01:06.31`	`kremonte_`	`when you click a link, it sets itemref to the link string`
`01:06.41`	`kremonte_`	`the item:id:enchant:stat:x`
`01:06.49`	`Tem`	`aye aye`
`01:07.04`	`Tem`	`then I guess I need to write a mod for my guild`
`01:07.08`	`Tem`	`so I can really make fake links`
`01:07.24`	`kremonte_`	`lol`
`01:07.31`	`kremonte_`	`but getting them to download itt`
`01:07.33`	`kremonte_`	`D;'`
`01:08.14`	`Tem`	`easy`
`01:08.19`	`Tem`	`I'm an officer`
`01:08.35`	`Tem`	`and I've been saying that I'm going to maintain a guild compilation`
`01:08.53`	`Tem`	`I'll just slip it in there`
`01:10.04`	`Tem`	`hmm I guess I'll use my ToEP`
`01:10.43`	`Tem`	`oh right I forgot to rub that in some more`
`01:10.49`	`Tem`	`I got a ToEP`
`01:10.53`	`Tem`	`and you still don't have one`
`01:10.55`	`Cide`	`I'm a priest`
`01:10.55`	`Tem`	`=P`
`01:10.59`	`Tem`	`not you Cide`
`01:11.03`	`Cide`	`I have ToEP and ZHC!`
`01:11.06`	`Cide`	`I know :P`
`01:11.11`	`Tem`	`kremonte_ was pretty upset when I got mine`
`01:11.15`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Sokol (i=sokolsg@sokol.kharkov.com)`
`01:11.29`	`Cide`	`get the hibernator or whatever it's called`
`01:11.38`	`Cide`	`from the green dragons`
`01:11.46`	`Cide`	`hibernation crystal or something`
`01:13.18`	`Cide`	`ok, so`
`01:13.27`	`Cide`	`it's not actually the fact that the health bars are shown or not`
`01:13.54`	`Cide`	`it has to do with the variable being set to "show hp bars" state instead of "hide hp bars"`
`01:14.06`	`Cide`	`but it only happens after CT_RA_UpdateRaidGroup(0) has been called`
`01:14.29`	`Cide`	`which calls CT_RA_UpdateUnitStatus(CT_RA_Member#) for every visible member`
`01:14.51`	`Cide`	`so that function somehow "flags" the frame to lag if the variable is set to "show hp bars"`
`01:17.20`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Eraphine\|Disco (n=Eraphine@brenna.human.cornell.edu)`
`01:17.31`	`Cide`	`so setting CT_RA_UpdateRaidGroup to an empty function and then hiding the health bars still makes it lag`
`01:17.44`	`Cide`	`since it doesn't update... but the question is, what the hell does it update anyway?`
`01:20.34`	`Tem`	`kremonte_ aparently it doesn't work if you don't have the language packs`
`01:21.12`	`Tem`	`so anyone know the fastest way to add simple chinese support to firefox?`
`01:22.03`	`Cide`	`I just installed it for windows, assuming you use windows`
`01:22.20`	`Tem`	`I do`
`01:22.32`	`Tem`	`and?`
`01:23.07`	`Cide`	`I have not tested yet, but I believe it will work!`
`01:23.16`	`Tem`	`so, how do I do it?`
`01:23.22`	`Tem`	`do I need to install a windows thing?`
`01:23.23`	`Cide`	`control panel -> the languages tab`
`01:23.26`	`Tem`	`ah`
`01:23.27`	`Cide`	`ya, you need the windows cd`
`01:23.35`	`Tem`	`ah crap...`
`01:25.00`	`Tem`	`hmm guess I don't need my windows cd`
`01:25.05`	`Tem`	`ah nevermind`
`01:27.22`	`Cide`	`so, I found the lag in CTRA (most likely)`
`01:27.31`	`Cide`	`I have absolutely no idea why though`
`01:27.34`	`Tem`	`the health bars`
`01:27.40`	`Tem`	`or more specific?`
`01:27.46`	`Cide`	`no`
`01:27.51`	`Cide`	`give me a sec to verify`
`01:28.46`	`Tem`	`asdfaf!`
`01:28.50`	`Tem`	`I need to restart`
`01:30.31`	`Cide`	`guess not, I didn't find it yet`
`01:31.02`	`Maldivia`	`:\|`
`01:31.32`	`Cide`	`it's getting closer though, I'm optimistic`
`01:32.41`	`Maldivia`	`it weird though, since there was no problem prior to patch 1.9, right?`
`01:33.31`	`Cide`	`none`
`01:34.21`	`Maldivia`	`the default Raid UI doesn't have the slow downs - nor does other raid UIs, right?`
`01:34.29`	`Cide`	`not as far as I know`
`01:36.05`	`Maldivia`	`and you're sure it's on a RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE event ?`
`01:36.09`	`Cide`	`yes`
`01:37.27`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=matt@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net)`
`01:37.49`	`Tem`	`kremonte_: Even after I install the language pack they come up as ?????? in the link`
`01:37.53`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Eraphine\|Disco2 (n=Eraphine@brenna.human.cornell.edu)`
`01:38.13`	`Maldivia`	`tried not registering the events, to determine which of the event-handlers causes it ?`
`01:38.21`	`Iriel`	`actually, moving, not sizing`
`01:38.27`	`Tem`	`Iriel: oops!`
`01:38.44`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: you need the Unicode version if Ariel font, to display it`
`01:38.56`	`Iriel`	`If you rescale the parent of the window you're dragging`
`01:38.59`	`Iriel`	`it doesn't compensate`
`01:39.15`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: that's all... if you have MS Office, then install the font from there (doesn't do it by default)`
`01:39.41`	`Tem`	`Maldivia: it shows up fine in firefox`
`01:39.56`	`Tem`	`but when I copy/paste it into WoW it becomes "???"`
`01:40.03`	`Maldivia`	`Ahh...`
`01:40.53`	`Tem`	`Iriel: what do you mean it doesn't compensate?`
`01:41.11`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: you need to call EditBox:ToggleInputLanguage() to toggle it ??`
`01:41.28`	`Iriel`	`I mean the box window ceases to track the cursor`
`01:41.40`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: not that I have any idea what that does :)`
`01:42.04`	`Tem`	`Iriel: by cease to track the cursor.. meaning it doesn't follow anymore?`
`01:42.10`	`Iriel`	`Though I'm not sure I even need it anymore`
`01:42.11`	`Iriel`	`yeah`
`01:42.18`	`Iriel`	`it moves around 'off-scale'`
`01:42.29`	`Tem`	`ah`
`01:42.48`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Parak (n=profi@user-12hdr8d.cable.mindspring.com)`
`01:43.27`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=chatzill@host-70-45-80-48.onelinkpr.net)`
`01:44.05`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: hmm, updated the font-file in WoW - so it actually contains the chinese signs ?`
`01:44.19`	`Tem`	`do what?`
`01:44.43`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: for the chinese symbols to show in WoW, I guess the font-file WoW uses has to contain those symbols`
`01:44.58`	`a-stray-cat`	`man iriel why didnt you tell me about this SetQuandrantOffset thing :P its much better for rotating your statrings 90 degrees than trying to figure out your code :P`
`01:45.21`	`Tem`	`kremonte_ where did you go?`
`01:47.20`	`Iriel`	`a-stray-cat Oh, heh, I forgot about that 8-)`
`01:47.38`	`Iriel`	`a-stray-cat : though really all you need to do is add/subtract from the start angle`
`01:48.16`	`a-stray-cat`	`well ive been nosing around for about an hour now trying to figure out exactly what everything did :)`
`01:48.33`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: if you have the unicode arial font, try putting it in WoW as Fonts\ARIALN.TFF`
`01:48.57`	`Tain`	`I can't log into the forums. :(`
`01:48.59`	`Tem`	`awww poop`
`01:49.03`	`Tem`	`I just crashed wow again`
`01:49.06`	`Tem`	`and I have idea how`
`01:49.14`	`Tem`	`no error or anything`
`01:52.27`	`Maldivia`	`so should we say: Now again... :)`
`01:56.16`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com)`
`01:58.18`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine_ (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com)`
`01:58.55`	`Tem`	`MC raid is starting and I still having figured out how to link [Cockass] so I'm pretty bummed`
`01:59.42`	`Tem`	`and it's my night to be ML too`
`01:59.44`	`Tem`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:00.23`	`Guillotine_`	`I may be able to help you`
`02:00.39`	`Guillotine_`	`if theres an item named "cock" or "ass" :/`
`02:01.02`	`Guillotine_`	`what about [CockroachAss]?`
`02:01.37`	id`	`http://www.firstgov.gov/fgsearch/index.jsp?dom0=www.fbi.gov&mw0=warez+sodomy+porn+microsoft+illegal+MORTAL+KOMBAT+TRILOGY+DOWNLOAD+FREE&rn=218&in0=domain&parsed=true&Submit=Go&domain=fbi.gov`
`02:01.43`	id`	`gogogogo click!`
`02:01.46`	id`	`best ever`
`02:01.50`	id`	`funny pic`
`02:01.53`	id`	`cough`
`02:04.39`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kaelten (n=Kaelten@pcp04349492pcs.mobilh01.al.comcast.net)`
`02:04.49`	id`	`lo meestar K`
`02:05.12`	`Kaelten`	`ello`
`02:05.52`	`Tem`	`Guillotine you can put stuff in front of the item's name?`
`02:07.39`	`Tem`	`the hell..`
`02:07.49`	`Tem`	`ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS is wrong`
`02:07.55`	`Tem`	`it has the wrong value for epic`
`02:07.57`	`Kaelten`	`having fun tem?`
`02:08.05`	`Tem`	`not really`
`02:08.16`	`Tem`	`I'm unable to create an item named "Cockass"`
`02:08.24`	`Tem`	`which was my whole reason for playing with this`
`02:08.35`	`Tem`	`("Cockass" is a big inside joke in our guild)`
`02:08.35`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`02:10.16`	`Maldivia`	`Cide?`
`02:10.21`	`Cide`	`yes?`
`02:10.45`	`Maldivia`	`Your "CT_RA_newUseSoulstone" isn't localized`
`02:10.50`	`a-stray-cat`	`wow iriel your moving stuff for statrings is pretty cool :D`
`02:11.23`	`Cide`	`thanks, I'll check it out as soon as I have the lag figured out`
`02:11.51`	`Guillotine_`	`Tem: yes, you can put stuff in front of an items name as well`
`02:12.11`	`Maldivia`	`Cide: was just looking at your event handler, and found it underneath :)`
`02:12.45`	`Tem`	`Guillotine: so it won't disconect me for [Tem's Talisman of Ephemeral Power]?`
`02:14.51`	`Maldivia`	`Cide: you register RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE for 3 different event-handlers - have you check which of the 3 that causes the lag?`
`02:15.05`	`Cide`	`yes, none of them do`
`02:15.27`	`Cide`	`it just happens during raid_roster_update, regardless of whether CTRA has them registrered... as far as I can tell`
`02:15.43`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, ok... very weird`
`02:17.16`	`Cide`	`so, this is the line that semi-causes it`
`02:17.24`	`Cide`	`frame:SetHeight(height-3);`
`02:17.34`	`Cide`	`height can be either 40 or 38`
`02:17.44`	`Cide`	`err, 32`
`02:17.51`	`Cide`	`if it's 40, height will become 37, and it will lag`
`02:17.57`	`Cide`	`if it's 32, height will become 29 and it won't lag`
`02:18.02`	`Cide`	`the frame height, that is`
`02:18.50`	`Guillotine_`	`Tem: nope`
`02:18.58`	`Tem`	`yay!`
`02:19.34`	`Maldivia`	`what's the height in the xml ?`
`02:19.51`	`Cide`	`40`
`02:19.56`	`Guillotine_`	`Tem: just know that if a GM contacts you, tell them its an addon and not a hack`
`02:20.06`	`Tem`	`of course`
`02:20.09`	`Guillotine_`	`:)`
`02:20.20`	`Tem`	`I'm only doing this in raid chat anyway`
`02:21.02`	`Maldivia`	`Cide: weird - I have similar code, that causes no lag...`
`02:21.09`	`Cide`	`it doesn't happen directly there`
`02:22.54`	`Maldivia`	`Cide, but in the CT_RA_UpdateUnitStatus function ?`
`02:23.05`	`Cide`	`that call is in that function`
`02:23.19`	`Maldivia`	`yeah`
`02:23.31`	`a-stray-cat`	`anyone know the mod that shows 3d models for unit frames and stuff?`
`02:23.45`	`Corrodias`	`is that discord unit frames?`
`02:24.38`	`a-stray-cat`	`hmm, thx`
`02:25.45`	`Maldivia`	`Cide: tried replacing your GetRaidRosterInfo call with UnitName, UnitClass and UnitIsConnected ?`
`02:25.56`	`Cide`	`doesn't matter`
`02:26.11`	`Cide`	`that's not the cause of the lag`
`02:26.14`	`Maldivia`	`ok...`
`02:26.43`	`Maldivia`	`there really shouldn't be any problems in that function`
`02:27.04`	`Cide`	`there isn't`
`02:28.03`	`Maldivia`	`but you suspected the SetHeight function...`
`02:28.20`	`Maldivia`	`or rather call, in that function`
`02:28.32`	`Iriel`	`What's the object you're SetHeight'ing on`
`02:28.40`	`Cide`	`CT_RAMember#`
`02:28.44`	`Iriel`	`and how many things are anchored off of it`
`02:28.58`	`Cide`	`maybe... 8?`
`02:29.05`	`Cide`	`it's not THE call though`
`02:29.12`	`Cide`	`here's the thing`
`02:29.16`	`Cide`	`I did: for i = 1, 40, 1 do local frame = getglobal("CT_RAMember" .. i); frame.oldSetHeight = frame.SetHeight; frame.SetHeight = function(f, h) f:oldSetHeight(32-2); end end`
`02:29.34`	`Cide`	`which will force any SetHeight call to set it to 29 instead of whatever`
`02:29.46`	`Iriel`	`30, not 29`
`02:29.53`	`Cide`	`err, right`
`02:29.58`	`Cide`	`I did 32-3 in game`
`02:30.04`	`Cide`	`so 29, sorry`
`02:30.09`	`Cide`	`no lag`
`02:30.31`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, perhaps that you resize the frame, and the resize a child of the frame ?`
`02:30.33`	`Iriel`	`Does it mean the difference betweenoverlapping and non-overlapping frames?`
`02:30.53`	`Cide`	`you mean, some frames overlap when height is X, and not when it's Y?`
`02:31.26`	`Iriel`	`yes`
`02:31.37`	`Cide`	`health and mana bar overlap when it's 29`
`02:31.41`	`Cide`	`not when it's 37`
`02:31.57`	`Maldivia`	`Cide: tried moving the frame:SetHeight(height-3) 2 lines down, so it's below the CastFrame SetHeight call ?`
`02:32.04`	`a-stray-cat`	`can you use a texture to mask off other frames?`
`02:32.12`	`Cide`	`Maldivia: it's not the call itself, it's the height`
`02:32.14`	`Cide`	`but I'll try`
`02:32.27`	`Cide`	`I now did: /script for i = 1, 40, 1 do getglobal("CT_RAMember" .. i).SetHeight = function(f, h) f:oldSetHeight(37) end end`
`02:32.31`	`Cide`	`and it starts lagging`
`02:34.25`	`Cide`	`similarly, I did for i = 1, 40, 1 do local frame = getglobal("CT_RAMember" .. i); frame.oldGetHeight = frame.GetHeight; frame.GetHeight = function(f) local h = f:oldGetHeight(); CT_Print("GetHeight: " .. h); return h; end end`
`02:34.33`	`Cide`	`which will print to chat whenever GetHeight is called`
`02:34.51`	`Cide`	`and it never is during the time it lags`
`02:35.03`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, ok`
`02:35.04`	`Cide`	`so no code is using the specific height values to do specific things`
`02:35.46`	`Cide`	`what the hell does that tell you?`
`02:36.27`	`Maldivia`	`that it's some weird bug introduced in patch 1.9... probably not in your code, but you have some code that triggers it...`
`02:37.57`	`Fanook`	`could it be something with resizing text? where it has to load a new size in or something (not very familiar with how fonts are stored or CT)`
`02:38.18`	`Cide`	`font size doesn't change`
`02:38.59`	`Cide`	`and even if that is slow`
`02:39.07`	`Cide`	`it shouldn't freeze for .5-1 sec`
`02:40.00`	`Cide`	`hmm`
`02:40.14`	`Cide`	`seems to happen for every value greater than or equal to 32`
`02:40.33`	`Cide`	`no, wait`
`02:41.59`	`Maldivia`	`is there a pattern, for instance, only when you make them larger, or only if you make them smaller ?`
`02:42.11`	`Cide`	`it doesn't happen during the call`
`02:42.16`	`Cide`	`it happens on raid_roster_event`
`02:42.23`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, ok`
`02:48.18`	`Cide`	`seems like`
`02:48.38`	`Cide`	`it happens when the height is greater than (approximately, it was hard to find an exact value) 31.59`
`02:49.06`	`Iriel`	`Cide: I suspect that's when some of the sub-objects either hit each other, or have to re-size their fonts`
`02:49.18`	`Cide`	`it's only when it's greater than though`
`02:49.37`	`Cide`	`if anything they are more overlapped the lower height it is`
`02:49.50`	`Iriel`	`Then the font possibility?`
`02:50.42`	`Cide`	`hm, there is something to it`
`02:50.52`	`Iriel`	`Anyone got a moment to test something for me`
`02:50.55`	`Cide`	`with health bars visible, I have to go down to ~29 to stop the lag`
`02:51.05`	`Iriel`	`http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/`
`02:51.10`	`Cide`	`with them hidden, 31.59 is fine again`
`02:51.11`	`Iriel`	`AnchorDragTest-0.1-10900.zip`
`02:52.43`	`Cide`	`might be a layering issue or the like? the fonts are untouched by the height`
`02:53.58`	`Iriel`	`It could be I suppose, I guess the next step would be to make a simple addon with the barest of frames, that you can get to exhibit the issue`
`02:54.26`	`Cide`	`well, I still don't know why it's happening, only that it happens during certain heights`
`02:55.07`	`Cide`	`though`
`02:55.12`	`Cide`	`I guess it's easier to find out now`
`02:55.28`	`Cide`	`since I can just force the height and comment out stuff to my heart's content`
`02:57.06`	`Iriel`	`Ok, i'm off for a bit, the anchor test has been bugging me for a week so i'm glad to have it out the way`
`02:57.49`	`Iriel`	`I'll idle for a few and check back in case anyone's been bored enough to test it)`
`02:58.09`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge kremonte (n=dan@ool-18bba4ea.dyn.optonline.net)`
`02:58.11`	`kremonte`	`oi`
`02:58.11`	`Cide`	`hehe, I'll see if I can try it out before bed`
`02:58.17`	`Cide`	`hi kremonte`
`02:58.22`	`kremonte`	`lo cide`
`02:58.30`	`kremonte`	`Guillotine around?`
`02:58.37`	`Guillotine`	`kind of`
`02:58.45`	`kremonte`	`were you talking aout spoofer before? =D`
`02:58.47`	`Guillotine`	`leveling up my priest`
`02:58.54`	`kremonte`	`auf draenor?`
`02:58.55`	`Guillotine`	`about spoofing, ya`
`02:59.13`	`kremonte`	`400 q on draenor o_O`
`02:59.20`	`kremonte`	`well, i can spoof full text now :D`
`02:59.26`	`kremonte`	`WTS [Orgrimmar] PST`
`03:00.29`	`Maldivia`	`Cide/Iriel: hmm, could it be an issue with the tiling of backdrop on the frame ?`
`03:00.58`	`Guillotine`	`kremonte: ya. in about 2 weeks, draenor has gone up from a low pop server to 800 que on weekends`
`03:01.09`	`Cide`	`still lagging with no backdrop, Maldivia`
`03:01.17`	`kremonte`	`Guillotine: wierd`
`03:01.19`	`kremonte`	`Guillotine`
`03:01.21`	`kremonte`	`oops`
`03:01.23`	`Maldivia`	`Cide: ok - just tossing out ideas :)`
`03:01.26`	`kremonte`	`were you talking to tem about full links?`
`03:01.37`	`Guillotine`	`full links?`
`03:01.37`	`Cide`	`I don't mind, Maldivia :)`
`03:01.37`	`Tem`	`huh?`
`03:01.45`	`kremonte`	`Guillotine: yeah, like [Wang]`
`03:01.48`	`kremonte`	`;p`
`03:01.52`	`Guillotine`	`ya. its not possible though`
`03:01.57`	`kremonte`	`yes it is`
`03:02.05`	`kremonte`	`i have been doing it all day`
`03:02.06`	`kremonte`	`:D`
`03:02.52`	`Guillotine`	`huh?`
`03:02.54`	`Guillotine`	`how?`
`03:02.58`	`Guillotine`	`you mean in game?`
`03:03.06`	`kremonte`	`yes`
`03:03.17`	`kremonte`	`i was advertising my Sulfuras, Hand of Kremonte`
`03:03.21`	`kremonte`	`and Kremonte, Destroyer of Worlds`
`03:03.23`	`Guillotine`	`...`
`03:03.25`	`kremonte`	`and my Shaman on a Stick :D`
`03:03.31`	`kremonte`	`it doesnt dc you`
`03:03.33`	`Guillotine`	`you're joking, right?`
`03:03.37`	`kremonte`	`no`
`03:03.39`	`Guillotine`	`i won't believe it until i see it`
`03:03.43`	`kremonte`	`well`
`03:03.45`	`kremonte`	`i cant get on draenor`
`03:03.46`	`kremonte`	`=P`
`03:03.57`	`Guillotine`	`I have a feeling this is something like when you told me to type \nice...`
`03:03.58`	`kremonte`	`ill sit in q while i play DoA`
`03:04.01`	`kremonte`	`nope`
`03:04.06`	`kremonte`	`hey`
`03:04.09`	`kremonte`	`YOU told ME to`
`03:04.11`	`kremonte`	`i never said to`
`03:04.17`	`Guillotine`	`oh ya. that was shouryuu that told me to`
`03:04.19`	`Guillotine`	`then I told you`
`03:04.34`	`kremonte`	`and i didnt fall for it`
`03:04.35`	`kremonte`	`;p`
`03:04.40`	`Guillotine`	`then I'll fix that: "I have a feeling this is something like when I told you to type \nice..."`
`03:05.10`	`kremonte`	`393 q, gonna play with virtual boobies on xbox360 for a few`
`03:06.45`	`kremonte`	`bah`
`03:06.50`	`kremonte`	`brother is playing online`
`03:08.53`	`kremonte`	`so guil`
`03:08.59`	`kremonte`	`how much gold will you owe me when im right? :D`
`03:12.35`	`Guillotine`	`none`
`03:12.42`	`Guillotine`	`but I will admit that you are smart`
`03:13.01`	`kremonte`	`;p`
`03:13.20`	`Guillotine`	`why don't you give me a macro that does it then?`
`03:13.37`	`Guillotine`	`wait- does this have to do with the new enchanting links?`
`03:13.45`	`kremonte`	`cant paste it i irc`
`03:13.47`	`kremonte`	`nope`
`03:13.52`	`kremonte`	`just wait 10 mins then ill be on :p`
`03:14.08`	`MentalPower`	`but I wanna know too :)`
`03:14.13`	`kremonte`	`:)`
`03:15.52`	`Guillotine`	`then come onto draenor :D`
`03:16.06`	`kremonte`	`i am!`
`03:16.08`	`kremonte`	`im waiting in the q`
`03:16.10`	`kremonte`	`oh`
`03:16.14`	`kremonte`	`you mean MentalPower`
`03:17.07`	`MentalPower`	`but I already waited 30mins to get on MY server`
`03:17.20`	`kremonte`	`lol`
`03:17.22`	`kremonte`	`sucks for you then`
`03:17.29`	`kremonte`	`ugh`
`03:17.32`	`kremonte`	`eta 39 min`
`03:17.37`	`kremonte`	`253 left`
`03:17.39`	`a-stray-cat`	`jeez :/`
`03:17.40`	`Guillotine`	`ug`
`03:17.48`	`kremonte`	`it went up -.-`
`03:17.55`	`Guillotine`	`and my server was low population 3 weeks ago...`
`03:18.01`	`Guillotine`	`or 4 maybe`
`03:20.19`	id`	`4 * a`
`03:20.25`	id`	`Sends the message "" to the receiver "4" passing the value of "a" as argument. Notice, that the Smalltalk language itself does not imply any semantic meaning of those operators. The outcome of the above is only defined by how the receiver of the message (in this case a Number-object) responds to the ""-message. Thus, traditional operator-overloading is a side effect of this mechanism.`
`03:20.27`	id`	`that is sick k`
`03:20.38`	id`	`04:20 messing with my mind`
`03:20.39`	id`	`:p`
`03:20.51`	`kremonte`	`silly eu`
`03:21.59`	`MentalPower`	`Oh, you play on EU servers?`
`03:22.01`	`Iriel`	`I take it that means that smalltalk doesn't have operator precedence?`
`03:22.14`	`Guillotine`	`no. kremonte plays on american servers. hes one of us fatties`
`03:22.20`	`kremonte`	`huh, iriel?`
`03:22.42`	`Iriel`	`well, if smalltalk doesn't define any semantic meaning to * + etc, it can't apply precedence rules`
`03:23.08`	`Iriel`	`or at least, shouldn't, otherwise there IS an implied semantic meaning`
`03:23.08`	`kremonte`	`smalltalk o__O`
`03:23.10`	id`	`depends ont eh objects, Iriel`
`03:23.16`	id`	`i think`
`03:30.00`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Stylpe (n=Stylpe@98.84-48-162.nextgentel.com)`
`03:30.13`	`kremonte`	`111 in queue, 11 min eta o_O`
`03:30.15`	`Tem`	`rofl.. well aparently no one on my server has seen spoofed items before...`
`03:30.23`	`kremonte`	`Tem: lol`
`03:30.42`	`Guillotine`	`why? what are they saying?`
`03:30.56`	`Tem`	`so people sent my [In Mother Russia, Talisman of Ephemeral Power pwns you!] all over the server`
`03:31.05`	`kremonte`	`lol`
`03:31.09`	`Guillotine`	`haha`
`03:31.11`	`Tem`	`it's circulating FAST`
`03:31.14`	`kremonte`	`hahaha`
`03:31.37`	`Guillotine`	`someobdy on my server KIND OF figured out how to do it. they edited their lootlink savedvariables file`
`03:31.48`	`Tem`	`I'm pretty sure it's been linked in IF by now`
`03:31.54`	`kremonte`	`Guillotine: a lot of people on my server do that`
`03:32.10`	`Tem`	`although I only linked it to the officer channel`
`03:32.17`	`Guillotine`	`lol`
`03:32.23`	`MentalPower`	`Tem: Enlighten us :)`
`03:32.30`	`Tem`	`huh?`
`03:32.32`	`kremonte`	`MentalPower: thats not new`
`03:32.33`	`Guillotine`	`ya. when I first did it, they circulated like crazy`
`03:32.38`	`Tem`	`it's kremonte's fault`
`03:32.43`	`kremonte`	`: - ))))`
`03:32.45`	`kremonte`	`well`
`03:32.49`	`kremonte`	`if you REALLY want to go into faults`
`03:32.49`	`Guillotine`	`actually, I figured it out first`
`03:32.50`	`kremonte`	`its Guillotine's`
`03:32.59`	`Tem`	`ah`
`03:33.06`	`kremonte`	`i just made it sexier`
`03:33.07`	`kremonte`	`:D`
`03:33.08`	`Guillotine`	`then kremonte figured out you could add stuff in front of names as well as behind as well as adding stats`
`03:33.12`	`Tem`	`well kremonte you need to help me get the full links figured out`
`03:33.16`	`kremonte`	`and that you can do full link names`
`03:33.17`	`kremonte`	`':D`
`03:33.18`	`kremonte`	`hm`
`03:33.22`	`Guillotine`	`yah. if thats true`
`03:33.24`	`Tem`	`because I really wanna link a [Shaman on a stick]`
`03:33.24`	`kremonte`	`maybe i should keep this my little secret`
`03:33.30`	`kremonte`	`and give it to Guillotine, maybe`
`03:33.36`	`kremonte`	`Guillotine probably.`
`03:33.40`	`kremonte`	`noone else tho`
`03:33.55`	`Guillotine`	`oh cmon`
`03:33.56`	`MentalPower`	`that would not be nice`
`03:33.57`	`Guillotine`	`be nice`
`03:33.58`	`Guillotine`	`charge them`
`03:34.02`	`kremonte`	`good idea`
`03:34.08`	`kremonte`	`MentalPower: you dont understand`
`03:34.09`	`Guillotine`	`$20 for the secret`
`03:34.13`	`kremonte`	`the more people that have it`
`03:34.17`	`kremonte`	`the more it sucks`
`03:34.20`	`kremonte`	`the more it annoys people`
`03:34.24`	`kremonte`	`the less original it is`
`03:34.26`	`kremonte`	`it stops being funny`
`03:34.43`	`Guillotine`	`right. we've already said that we'll release all the info the day before its fixed`
`03:34.51`	`kremonte`	`yup`
`03:34.51`	`kremonte`	`:)`
`03:35.28`	`Guillotine`	`slouken already has it fixed for 1.10 :(`
`03:35.53`	`kremonte`	`29th in`
`03:35.53`	`kremonte`	`q`
`03:36.10`	`Corrodias`	`then it's pointless to think about it`
`03:37.14`	`Tem`	`[Pirate's Footlocker] -> [Butt Pirates Footlocker]`
`03:37.37`	`kremonte`	`for people that whine`
`03:37.42`	`kremonte`	`i do Tear Stained Hankerchief`
`03:37.47`	`kremonte`	`and change the name of the link to them`
`03:37.52`	`kremonte`	`like [Dremora]`
`03:37.52`	`kremonte`	`:p`
`03:39.09`	`kremonte`	`Guillotine: wth is your name`
`03:39.34`	`Guillotine`	`Cayduim`
`03:40.36`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge AnduinLothar (n=KarlKFI@ip70-187-188-195.oc.oc.cox.net)`
`03:40.41`	`kremonte`	`you like?`
`03:40.44`	`kremonte`	`":D`
`03:40.55`	`kremonte`	`o_O`
`03:55.08`	`Guillotine`	`wow`
`03:55.12`	`Guillotine`	`kremonte is simply genius`
`03:55.14`	`kremonte`	`":D`
`03:55.33`	`Guillotine`	`he actually made [Wang] in orange >_<`
`03:56.46`	`Corrodias`	`legendary wang. cute.`
`04:05.18`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge zeeg (n=wguru@63.147.183.137)`
`04:08.11`	`Osagasu`	`s`
`04:08.17`	`Osagasu`	`f`
`04:08.19`	`Osagasu`	`f`
`04:08.30`	`Osagasu`	`[Wang of pwnage]`
`04:08.42`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge kremonte (n=dan@ool-18bba4ea.dyn.optonline.net)`
`04:08.47`	`kremonte`	`wow that pisses me off`
`04:08.59`	`kremonte`	`the power keeps on surging, and my internet doesnt come back up for 10 minutes`
`04:09.11`	`kremonte`	`so now theres a 682 queue on draenor..fuck that`
`04:11.24`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`04:11.24`	`*** mode/#WoWI-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ`
`04:11.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`wb`
`04:11.34`	`Tain`	`Hey Cairenn :)`
`04:11.34`	`kremonte`	`lo cair`
`04:11.39`	`Cairenn`	`evening`
`04:11.57`	`Cairenn`	`clad\|afk: home safely, was one fucking bitch of a trip though`
`04:11.57`	`Tain`	`kremonte I'm at the point where if there's any queue I just quit and do something else.`
`04:12.10`	`kremonte`	`Tain: yeah normally`
`04:12.16`	`kremonte`	`but 30 mins ago i waited in a 40 min queue`
`04:12.17`	`kremonte`	`already`
`04:12.37`	`Cairenn`	`(pardon my english)`
`04:13.25`	`Legorol`	`was that English? they didn't teach me that in school when i was learning English ;-)`
`04:13.36`	`kremonte`	`lol`
`04:14.58`	`Tain`	`It's that crappy US school system. ;)`
`04:16.20`	`Cairenn`	`which counts me out too, since I've never gone to school in the US`
`04:16.54`	`Tem`	`what's the enchant ID for crusader?`
`04:17.27`	`Legorol`	`damn you kremonte, i am getting constantly disconnected because of you :D`
`04:17.57`	`kremonte`	`Legorol: you'll never find out`
`04:17.58`	`kremonte`	`so`
`04:17.59`	`kremonte`	`: - )`
`04:18.08`	`Legorol`	`read my pm`
`04:18.17`	`kremonte`	`you arnet idented`
`04:18.52`	`kremonte`	`aren't identified* heh`
`04:19.02`	`kremonte`	`and me and guillotine aren't releasing this until 1 day bfeore 1.10`
`04:19.46`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge wowguru[p] (n=wowguru@63.147.183.137)`
`04:19.48`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge slouken (n=Sam@ip68-5-42-243.oc.oc.cox.net)`
`04:19.54`	`zeeg`	`wewt!`
`04:19.55`	`zeeg`	`sql works`
`04:19.56`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kaelten (n=Kaelten@pcp04349492pcs.mobilh01.al.comcast.net)`
`04:20.02`	`kremonte`	`hey slo`
`04:20.05`	`kremonte`	`and wb kael`
`04:20.11`	`Cairenn`	`hi slouken`
`04:20.11`	`kremonte`	`and zeeg, i love your site for the item translation`
`04:20.20`	`zeeg`	`thx`
`04:20.25`	`kremonte`	`slouken: mind if i hassle you about the 1.10 release date? :-D`
`04:20.26`	`Legorol`	`hullo`
`04:20.39`	`kremonte`	`:D`
`04:20.45`	`Legorol`	`slouken, you often part this channel by saying it's time for your bedtime reading`
`04:20.49`	`Legorol`	`what do you read before going to sleep?`
`04:21.01`	`Legorol`	`novels, techie stuff, children's books..`
`04:21.08`	`kremonte`	`i'm having fun advertising my [Sulfuras, Hand of Kremonte] and [Kremonte, Destroyer of Worlds]`
`04:21.11`	`slouken`	`yep, pretty much`
`04:21.20`	`zeeg`	`kremonte, O.o`
`04:21.25`	`Legorol`	`shh`
`04:21.33`	`Legorol`	`slouken's watching!`
`04:21.36`	`Legorol`	`:-)`
`04:21.46`	`kremonte`	`?`
`04:21.50`	`kremonte`	`slouken knows, doesn't he?`
`04:22.02`	`Legorol`	`probably, just kidding`
`04:22.08`	`kremonte`	`i told you before! don't get stupid on me now! shakes slouken violently`
`04:22.13`	`slouken`	`I read Terry Pratchett novels`
`04:22.33`	`Kaelten`	`anyone have any experiance using plesk?`
`04:22.35`	`Tem`	`I win`
`04:22.37`	`Tem`	`[Lok'amir il Romathis, Buttplug of Neferian]`
`04:22.47`	`kremonte`	`you misspelled nefarian`
`04:22.48`	`kremonte`	`hahaha.`
`04:22.58`	`Legorol`	`gah, now Tem knows too`
`04:22.58`	`slouken`	`Are you guys going to make me have to hotfix that link checking? :)`
`04:23.05`	`Legorol`	`no`
`04:23.07`	`kremonte`	`noooooo`
`04:23.10`	`Tem`	`please god no`
`04:23.14`	`Tem`	`this is too much fun`
`04:23.15`	`slouken`	`lol`
`04:23.17`	`kremonte`	`wait till 1.10 so we can do an extravagant release of the source`
`04:23.18`	`Legorol`	`everyone's keeping it to themselves..`
`04:23.20`	`kremonte`	`the day before 1.10`
`04:23.22`	`Legorol`	`but i will get there too!`
`04:23.23`	`Legorol`	`:-)`
`04:23.26`	`kremonte`	`no, you wont`
`04:23.33`	`Legorol`	`why? if you could, so can i..`
`04:23.39`	`kremonte`	`have fun trying ^_~`
`04:23.44`	`kremonte`	`tem if you tell him i will killl youuu`
`04:24.39`	`kremonte`	`:-)`
`04:24.52`	`kremonte`	`slouken: how much of it is getting fixed in 1.10?`
`04:25.08`	`Tem`	`(if you haven't ever seen that item before, put it on... it looks like a pretty painful thing...)`
`04:25.18`	`slouken`	`all of it. :)`
`04:25.27`	`kremonte`	`the localization too? :D`
`04:25.29`	`slouken`	`It's already fixed, the test server isn't up yet.`
`04:25.34`	`slouken`	`No, that's by design.`
`04:25.37`	`kremonte`	`ah`
`04:25.48`	`kremonte`	`apparently a lot of people play with chinese clients on US servers`
`04:26.01`	`slouken`	`brb, testing l33t IRC scriptzorz`
`04:26.03`	`kremonte`	`which shouldn't be proper, isn't it?`
`04:26.20`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge slouken (n=Sam@ip68-5-42-243.oc.oc.cox.net)`
`04:27.11`	`GenNMX`	`Can someone give me an example of a weapon / talent proc message?`
`04:27.31`	`Cairenn`	`you want me to put the snotty "behave" message back up, kremonte?`
`04:27.49`	`GenNMX`	`IE, a real message from their Combat Log. I can't find the pattern in GlobalStrings.lua.`
`04:27.50`	`kremonte`	`hehe, nah. i'm just waiting on downloads, so i'm taking out my boredom`
`04:27.50`	`slouken`	`Um, kremonte, we know about that, I'm not sure what plans are to address it though.`
`04:27.57`	`kremonte`	`slouken: ah.`
`04:28.00`	`slouken`	`Anyway, good night everyone. :)`
`04:28.06`	`kremonte`	`nn`
`04:28.10`	`Cairenn`	`later slouken`
`04:28.27`	`Legorol`	`kremonte, you gave me some hint`
`04:28.31`	`Legorol`	`so it has to do with localization, ey`
`04:28.48`	`kremonte`	`yeah hf`
`04:28.56`	`Guillotine`	`you will never get it`
`04:28.57`	`Guillotine`	`seriously`
`04:29.08`	`kremonte`	`btw, it cant be done directly in the client`
`04:29.11`	`Legorol`	`is there some reason why it's impossible?`
`04:29.11`	`kremonte`	`you need outside loaded lua files`
`04:29.13`	`Guillotine`	`yes it can`
`04:29.17`	`Guillotine`	`no you don't`
`04:29.19`	`kremonte`	`Guillotine: nope`
`04:29.27`	`Guillotine`	`wait. nm. kremonte is right`
`04:29.43`	`Guillotine`	`you can do normal spoofing int he client though`
`04:29.46`	`Legorol`	`well i can fiddle with \| character within client, that's no problem`
`04:29.59`	`kremonte`	`oi`
`04:29.59`	`kremonte`	`have fun`
`04:29.59`	`kremonte`	`:d`
`04:30.03`	`Legorol`	`but what i am wondering is why you think i will never get it?`
`04:30.11`	`Legorol`	`do you guys have access to something i don't?`
`04:30.14`	`Legorol`	`just assure me one thing:`
`04:30.19`	`Legorol`	`using a standard client, and Lua, i can do it`
`04:30.23`	`Guillotine`	`yes`
`04:30.25`	`Legorol`	`i.e. no hacks involved or anything`
`04:30.33`	`Legorol`	`well then i should be able to figure it out eventually, no?`
`04:30.36`	`Guillotine`	`you need xml too :P`
`04:30.37`	`Tain`	`Yes, you too can spoof your ewang.`
`04:30.46`	`kremonte`	`Guillotine; nah`
`04:30.50`	`Guillotine`	`wait. no you dont. you need toc`
`04:30.50`	`kremonte`	`not if you dont mind being guiless`
`04:30.50`	`kremonte`	`:p`
`04:30.51`	`Legorol`	`why would i need xml?`
`04:30.52`	`Guillotine`	`thats what I meant`
`04:30.56`	`Legorol`	`well d'oh`
`04:31.03`	`Legorol`	`i know how to load Lua, ty very much`
`04:31.11`	`Guillotine`	`your welcome`
`04:31.19`	`Legorol`	`i'm just surprised you say it won't work in the client and i need external Lua`
`04:31.23`	`kremonte`	`:)`
`04:31.27`	`Legorol`	`as far as I know, i can do anything within the client that i can do from Lua`
`04:31.27`	`kremonte`	`thats a hint, btw`
`04:31.31`	`kremonte`	`nope!`
`04:31.36`	`Legorol`	`hmm`
`04:31.38`	`kremonte`	`okay dont leak any more info on it`
`04:31.47`	`Legorol`	`ok, i will pm you my reasoning`
`04:31.55`	`kremonte`	`you werent identified befor`
`04:31.59`	`Guillotine`	`one more leak: typing \nice doesn't hlep`
`04:31.59`	`kremonte`	`kk`
`04:32.08`	`kremonte`	`leh`
`04:32.09`	`kremonte`	`Legorol`
`04:32.13`	`kremonte`	`im not giving you any hints`
`04:32.15`	`kremonte`	`no yes or nos`
`04:32.26`	`Guillotine`	`you try it. if it works, its a yes`
`04:32.29`	`Guillotine`	`if it doesn't its a no`
`04:32.32`	`kremonte`	`lol`
`04:32.41`	`Legorol`	`ok well i will work on it :D`
`04:33.13`	`Tain`	`Hurry up before it's fixed!`
`04:33.18`	`Legorol`	`lol`
`04:33.29`	`Ktron`	`Are you trying to figure out how to link things like [Wang]?`
`04:33.47`	`Tain`	`Yes, it makes your penis bigger, Ktron.`
`04:33.49`	`Guillotine`	`bet you dont ktron`
`04:33.53`	`kremonte`	`bet you dont ktron`
`04:33.58`	`Guillotine`	`jinx`
`04:34.10`	`AnduinLothar`	`not much of a secret, someone keep linkign thunderfury of the monkey here on kj`
`04:34.11`	`Cairenn`	`bet you it really doesn't matter :p`
`04:34.15`	`kremonte`	`AnduinLothar: not that`
`04:34.24`	`kremonte`	`AnduinLothar: thats adding text to the end of the link`
`04:34.40`	`Ktron`	`Yeah, this is a different trick-- pretty sure I heard kremonte explaining it earlier`
`04:34.49`	`kremonte`	`yea i explained it to tem`
`04:34.51`	`kremonte`	`no telling`
`04:34.52`	`kremonte`	`D:`
`04:35.01`	`Tem`	`kremonte: not really`
`04:35.02`	`Ktron`	`I think I was around for that heh, I won't`
`04:35.04`	`kremonte`	`i thought noone was on, it was 4 am D:`
`04:35.12`	`kremonte`	`Tem: orly?`
`04:35.15`	`kremonte`	`Tem: how so`
`04:35.17`	`Tem`	`the normal spoofing was pretty easy`
`04:35.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh, ill check logs then`
`04:35.21`	`kremonte`	`i even gave you the code >_<`
`04:35.26`	`Cairenn`	`there you go Lego, go check the logs`
`04:35.27`	`Legorol`	`well whatever they are fixing in 1.10, i sure hope they are not going to mess up the ability of German clients to play on English servers etc.`
`04:35.39`	`Cairenn`	`~logs`
`04:35.41`	`purl`	`apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian \| lines that start with a space are not shown \| some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly"`
`04:35.47`	`kremonte`	`grr`
`04:36.02`	`Cairenn`	`http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/`
`04:36.02`	`kremonte`	`youll all go through hoops and bounds for something i dont want you to know`
`04:36.04`	`Tem`	`and your "explanation" for the completely fake ones I still haven't gotten`
`04:36.19`	`Tain`	`I should probably check the logs from last night in #ace. I don't even remember everything I said.`
`04:36.22`	`kremonte`	`whatever, afk`
`04:36.32`	`Cairenn`	`Tain: incoming`
`04:36.49`	`Tain`	`Oh I can look. :)`
`04:36.55`	`Cairenn`	`crap, gimmah email addy :p`
`04:37.05`	`Tain`	`hehe`
`04:37.07`	`kremonte`	`well`
`04:37.10`	`kremonte`	`when you all find out`
`04:37.15`	`kremonte`	`and slouken hotfixes it tomorrow`
`04:37.18`	`kremonte`	`your own faults`
`04:37.21`	`kremonte`	`:-)`
`04:37.26`	`Tain`	`slouken already knows about it and it'll be fixed in 1.10.`
`04:37.34`	`kremonte`	`Tain: were you here 5 minutes ago?`
`04:37.55`	`kremonte`	`slouken> Are you guys going to make me have to hotfix that link checking? :)`
`04:38.14`	`Tain`	`Yeah, that was half a joke because you people can't control yourselves.`
`04:38.29`	`kremonte`	`cant wait till this entire channel knows`
`04:38.33`	`kremonte`	`then share it with all of their friends`
`04:38.38`	`kremonte`	`then they share it with all of their friends`
`04:38.41`	`Tain`	`kremonte it's already all over some servers`
`04:38.46`	`GenNMX`	`What about the link checking?`
`04:38.46`	`kremonte`	`Tain: no`
`04:38.49`	`AnduinLothar`	`who the hell cares...`
`04:38.51`	`Tain`	`I don't know what you think you have exclusive knowledge of.`
`04:38.55`	`kremonte`	`...?`
`04:38.56`	`GenNMX`	`It's OK to tell me, I have no friends.`
`04:38.58`	`kremonte`	`the FULL links, Tain`
`04:39.01`	`Tain`	`durrr`
`04:39.03`	`kremonte`	`noone has seen them before.`
`04:39.18`	`kremonte`	`noone in my guild, any of my friends guilds, nobody in ironforge or stormwind or orgrimmar`
`04:39.22`	`kremonte`	`on 4 different servers`
`04:39.29`	`Tain`	`Yes yes. You may go now.`
`04:39.36`	`kremonte`	`asshole mode on?`
`04:39.53`	`Ktron`	`heh`
`04:40.20`	`Ktron`	`I haven't bothered to try the second scheme for link-spoofing, only the original 'add enchantments or suffixes' stuff`
`04:40.24`	`Ktron`	`I probably won't`
`04:40.26`	`Tain`	`The fact is as soon as someone sees that something is possible, they figure it out.`
`04:40.30`	`Ktron`	`probably more work than its worth`
`04:40.50`	kremonte`afk	`Tain: it took me more than 7 hours last night figuring it out, and this was on a hunch and on top of a good deal of other knowledge with links`
`04:40.59`	`GenNMX`	`Hey, I wonder if slouken knows about freenode's nickserv registration?`
`04:41.01`	kremonte`afk	`by the time someone else figures it, its going to be hotfixed tomorrow`
`04:41.15`	kremonte`afk	`its one thing to do Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker of the Monkey of the Lolzorz`
`04:41.22`	kremonte`afk	`it's another thing to do Wang`
`04:41.30`	`Legorol`	kremonte`afk, ok i read the logs, i can see how you can do Wang now..
`04:41.33`	kremonte`afk	`but of course, you're in saien mode, so why bother? :-)`
`04:41.41`	`Legorol`	`and i also understand why i will never be able to do it, without a chinese or korean client ;-)`
`04:41.43`	`Tain`	`Because you're trying to explain things I already know.`
`04:41.49`	kremonte`afk	`...?`
`04:41.54`	`GenNMX`	`Aww`
`04:41.56`	`Tain`	`Yes you can, Legorol. That's why the external lua file.`
`04:42.05`	`Legorol`	`no, what i mean is that`
`04:42.06`	kremonte`afk	`what is with you, tain`
`04:42.06`	`Kaelten`	`I know apache reads the httpd.conf does it automatically read any other conf files?`
`04:42.11`	`Kaelten`	`(sorry to be off topic`
`04:42.12`	`Legorol`	`i would need to know the localised name of at least one item`
`04:42.12`	`Kaelten`	`)`
`04:42.24`	`Legorol`	`and since i don't have a chinese/korean client, i can't find out`
`04:42.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`wowguru can solve that`
`04:42.34`	`Legorol`	`hm, good point`
`04:42.35`	`Tain`	`Yeah Kaelten, I think so. I'm trying to remember.`
`04:42.45`	`Legorol`	`btw, i don't need external Lua to enter chinese/korean text`
`04:42.50`	`Legorol`	`so you are wrong there`
`04:43.10`	`Legorol`	`but i will have to try first :-0`
`04:43.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`long as u know the utf-8 code`
`04:43.25`	`Tain`	`Actually I'm thinking that it's other apache mods that load their own config files, I don't remember any others that are specific to apache itself.`
`04:43.40`	`Legorol`	`AnduinLothar, exactly`
`04:44.01`	`Kaelten`	`hmm.`
`04:44.33`	`Legorol`	`btw kremonte, you were asking for someone with FR or DE client yesterday`
`04:44.35`	`Legorol`	`i do have DE client`
`04:44.45`	`Tain`	`Kaelten: Unless there's 'include' lines in the httpd.conf, that will load the files listed.`
`04:44.53`	`kremonte`	`Legorol: i was asking to figure it out`
`04:45.02`	`Legorol`	`ok`
`04:45.03`	`Kaelten`	`hmm k.`
`04:45.05`	`Tain`	`Some configs may have an 'include' directory which will open any config files in that entire directory.`
`04:45.19`	`kremonte`	`but i'm just unoriginal, arent i?`
`04:45.51`	`Cairenn`	`Kael, did you not identify when you logged in?`
`04:47.02`	`Kaelten`	`hmm maybe not`
`04:47.03`	`*** mode/#WoWI-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ`
`04:47.06`	`Kaelten`	`there we go`
`04:47.08`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`04:49.11`	`Tain`	`Kael: are you having a specific problem with apache?`
`04:50.19`	`Tain`	`Actually I just looked at my config and I do have more than just httpd.conf. I've got a number of different configuration files, in my case under /etc/apache2/ but that may be specific to my Gentoo install.`
`04:52.20`	`Kaelten`	`hmm`
`04:54.50`	`Kaelten`	`well I had to upgrade apache on my system, and some things are not right in some things.`
`05:06.14`	`Legorol`	`Can someone (probably kremonte) explain something to me about chinese clients:`
`05:06.25`	`kremonte`	`?`
`05:06.30`	`Legorol`	`why are the item names in a chinese lootlink database in Chinese Simplified encoding, and not in UTF-8?`
`05:06.40`	`Guillotine`	`dunno`
`05:06.44`	`kremonte`	`hell if i know`
`05:06.45`	`Legorol`	`it doesn't make sense..`
`05:06.47`	`kremonte`	`thats WoW's fault`
`05:06.56`	`Legorol`	`e.g. if you want a german or french string, you have to enter it as utf-8`
`05:07.06`	`Legorol`	`why can you enter chinese strings in chinese simplified?`
`05:07.23`	`kremonte`	`again, WoWs fault`
`05:07.29`	`kremonte`	`i just edit a lua file and save it as UTF8`
`05:07.31`	`Legorol`	`client or server?`
`05:07.31`	`kremonte`	`and print it :)`
`05:07.35`	`kremonte`	`i dont know!`
`05:07.55`	`Legorol`	`yeah that's the thing..`
`05:08.06`	`Legorol`	`if i want to for example make a Note-frFR in .toc,`
`05:08.15`	`Legorol`	`i have to enter the french text as UTF-8 encoded`
`05:08.18`	`Legorol`	`weird.`
`05:08.30`	`Legorol`	`i mean not weird`
`05:08.32`	`Legorol`	`that's how it should be`
`05:08.38`	`Legorol`	`it's weird that item names are not utf-8`
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`05:24.51`	`Cairenn`	`well, I'm wiped from the drive ... later all`
`05:31.20`	`cladhaire`	`wow`
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`05:32.51`	`Galdoc`	`Hey folks.`
`05:35.19`	`Galdoc`	`Anyone awake?`
`05:35.35`	`cladhaire`	`I am kinda =)`
`05:35.42`	`Galdoc`	`Ah! life.`
`05:35.43`	`Galdoc`	`How'sit?`
`05:37.02`	`cladhaire`	`can't complain`
`05:37.03`	`cladhaire`	`kinda tired.`
`05:37.40`	`Galdoc`	`nods`
`05:37.53`	`Galdoc`	`You wouldn't happen to know the new website for discrod's mods, would you?`
`05:38.05`	`cladhaire`	`its been linked recently.`
`05:38.05`	`cladhaire`	`hrm`
`05:38.07`	`cladhaire`	`purl, discord`
`05:38.10`	`purl`	`well, discord is a group of addons made by Lozareth which allow for button, art, player frame, and game frame customization.`
`05:38.25`	`cladhaire`	`i'm not sure.. i'm sorry`
`05:38.30`	`Galdoc`	`No worries.`
`05:38.32`	`Galdoc`	`:)`
`05:38.38`	`cladhaire`	`if you find it let me know and i'll put it purl =)`
`05:38.43`	`Tain`	`I'm sure it must be on the Discord forum at wowinterface.com`
`05:39.00`	`Tain`	`That's where Lozareth was doing everything for a while.`
`05:39.32`	`Galdoc`	`well, his main page died, and he's hosted elsewhere. Used to be www.discordmods.com`
`05:39.34`	`Galdoc`	`but lemme see.`
`05:40.10`	`cladhaire`	`good call tain`
`05:41.12`	`Tain`	`Yes, he relocated to wowinterface.com temporarily, I think he's got a site back up now though.`
`05:41.37`	`Galdoc`	`nods pokes wowinterface`
`05:41.43`	`Galdoc`	`discordmods.com is still down. :/`
`05:42.39`	`GenNMX`	`What? zeeg is redirecting to wowinterface.com?`
`05:42.43`	`GenNMX`	`Oh, wait, scrolled up.`
`05:42.52`	`Galdoc`	`zeeg?`
`05:43.47`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Depherios (n=Deph@67.189.88.161)`
`05:44.33`	`Galdoc`	`anyhow.`
`05:44.43`	`Galdoc`	`I'm debating what kind of graphic I should make for my health and mana bars. Any suggestions?`
`05:44.53`	`zeeg`	`?`
`05:44.58`	`zeeg`	`that'd be the day, lol`
`05:45.25`	`GenNMX`	`Galdoc: A smiley face that turns into a skull as your health goes down to 0`
`05:45.30`	`Depherios`	`I'm going to make a set that suddenly get thicker at the end I think... no sure though... I'm converting over to vertical bars XD`
`05:45.36`	`Galdoc`	`hehee.`
`05:45.37`	`Depherios`	`not*`
`05:46.42`	`Galdoc`	`Yeah. I like vertical bars. They're nice.`
`05:46.52`	`Depherios`	`problem is, you can't put text on them`
`05:47.06`	`Galdoc`	`Why not?`
`05:47.16`	`Depherios`	`how do you run the text vertically?`
`05:48.30`	`Galdoc`	`well`
`05:48.32`	`Galdoc`	`shouldn't need to.`
`05:48.52`	`Galdoc`	`I mean, don't let me tell you what to do, but having text over the bar itself is usually ... detrimental. At least, fo rme.`
`05:49.06`	`Depherios`	`lol, I like it, but I'm crazy like that`
`05:49.17`	`Galdoc`	`heehee.`
`05:49.27`	`Galdoc`	`Fair enough. :) well, sideways text, I don't know how to make.`
`05:49.33`	`Depherios`	`lol the only way to do it is`
`05:49.35`	`Depherios`	`l`
`05:49.35`	`Depherios`	`i`
`05:49.36`	`Depherios`	`k`
`05:49.37`	`Depherios`	`e`
`05:49.39`	`Depherios`	`that`
`05:49.51`	`Depherios`	`which is, to say the least, a pain to read`
`05:49.59`	`Galdoc`	`I know, bu tI don't think that loz's text boxes preform math expressions. :P`
`05:50.15`	`Depherios`	`they don't... I made my own for my own bar, just to try it out`
`05:50.20`	`Depherios`	`don't try it`
`05:50.22`	`Depherios`	`it sucks`
`05:50.52`	`Depherios`	`when I say I made them`
`05:50.58`	`Galdoc`	`nods :P`
`05:51.32`	`Depherios`	`I mean I did a demo shot, no coding`
`05:51.32`	`Depherios`	`just saw what they'd look like`
`05:51.32`	`Depherios`	`before I coded... after seeing it... I decided not to even try`
`05:51.35`	`Galdoc`	`heehee.`
`05:51.42`	`Depherios`	`maybe if I got a font that worked better for it... LCD font or something... but I still think not...`
`05:51.43`	`Galdoc`	`Probably a wise decision.`
`05:51.50`	`Depherios`	`lol, wonder if somebody makes a sideways font`
`05:52.22`	`Galdoc`	`I'm just trying to make something that's not terribly obtrusive, is easy to gauge in the side of your vision, is pretty if you look at it, and fits between everything else.`
`05:56.20`	`Depherios`	`my old bars went like.......... ugh... ... skip ASCII I'll just upload the graphic.... which I can't find`
`05:58.18`	`kremonte`	`hmmm`
`05:58.27`	`Tain`	`Damnit I forgot I wanted to do a full ASCII art interface.`
`05:58.35`	`kremonte`	`what's the ace channel?`
`05:58.35`	`Galdoc`	`heehee.`
`05:58.56`	`Kaelten`	`Ace channel?`
`05:59.00`	`kremonte`	`irc?`
`05:59.04`	`Kaelten`	`probably`
`05:59.08`	`kremonte`	`huh`
`05:59.19`	`kremonte`	`i'm asking, what is the wow ace channel :PO`
`05:59.26`	`Tain`	`Who's on first?`
`05:59.26`	`cladhaire`	`##Ace`
`05:59.26`	`Kaelten`	`##ace`
`05:59.38`	`Kaelten`	`I think I've lost it`
`05:59.40`	`Kaelten`	`its very official`
`05:59.48`	`kremonte`	`official?`
`05:59.52`	`kremonte`	`no talkie just workie? D:`
`06:00.03`	`Kaelten`	`if I ever need an insanity plee all I have to say is "I tried to set up a apache2.0.55 server with subversion 1.3 and trac .9`
`06:00.16`	`Tain`	`heh!`
`06:00.17`	`kremonte`	`lol.`
`06:00.20`	`Kaelten`	`I'll get my plee before I finish saying that.`
`06:00.53`	`Kaelten`	`I'm seriously wondering if my best course of action is to do rm -r -f * in /`
`06:00.54`	`Depherios`	`like this, but less ugly http://home.comcast.net/~deph/wow/WoWbarconcept03.gif`
`06:00.58`	`kremonte`	`best way to get an insanity plea:`
`06:01.04`	`kremonte`	`I play MMORPGs`
`06:01.43`	`Ktron`	`Kaelten, even more fun`
`06:01.46`	`Ktron`	`killall -9 *`
`06:01.54`	`kremonte`	`killall -9 *?`
`06:01.54`	`kremonte`	`o_O`
`06:02.09`	`Ktron`	`basically kills every process`
`06:02.13`	`kremonte`	`lol`
`06:02.15`	`Ktron`	`well, until it kills itself`
`06:02.29`	`Ktron`	`there's a fancier way to make sure it doesn't kill itself or its parents`
`06:03.02`	`kremonte`	`Kaelten: there's a lot of linux channels here :-)`
`06:03.02`	`Tain`	`What exactly isn't working?`
`06:03.06`	`Depherios`	`Yay world server down :P`
`06:03.11`	`Kaelten`	`Tain: everything.`
`06:03.14`	`Kaelten`	`I fix one thing to break 3 others`
`06:03.27`	`zeeg`	`:P`
`06:03.29`	`kremonte`	`kael: #gentoo #ubuntu`
`06:03.29`	`kremonte`	`etc`
`06:03.38`	`kremonte`	`zeeg: you know what's sad?`
`06:03.40`	`Kaelten`	`list subversion`
`06:03.45`	`kremonte`	`i have 6 copies of windows in my room, right now`
`06:03.58`	`zeeg`	`this is is my first "legal" copy`
`06:04.01`	`kremonte`	`and of the 4 computers here, 2 of which are non-working`
`06:04.04`	`zeeg`	`only cuz it came w/ the laptop`
`06:04.08`	`kremonte`	`all 4 of them have linux installed :D`
`06:04.11`	`zeeg`	`:\|`
`06:04.25`	`kremonte`	`my notebook is dual boot though, to play games`
`06:04.28`	`kremonte`	`which i'm on now`
`06:04.29`	`zeeg`	`i had 98se, lost the cd tho`
`06:04.45`	`kremonte`	`my first computer was a windows 98.lol`
`06:05.03`	`Depherios`	`my first computer was DOS, second an apple, third was 3.11`
`06:05.14`	`kremonte`	`i wasn't alive then. :-)`
`06:05.14`	`zeeg`	`It seems Wired Labs (AmpedNews etc.) is going into the MMO market`
`06:05.27`	`kremonte`	`was born in 91, so that doesn't leave much time to get a 3.11 lol`
`06:05.35`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`06:09.32`	`zeeg`	`[amsg] WoW Guru will be hosting a weekly Q&A with WoW Radio's Leto, "Lore with Leto" - Leto will answer your Lore-related questions once a week and we will post the results on the site each week. To submit your question just email leto@wowguru.com`
`06:16.14`	`zeeg`	`[amsg] We also have a second weekly Q&A on WoW Guru - Ask Swammi - delivering answers on end-game raiding and bosses - Week one will be covering the topic "Breaking into Blackwing Lair" (Fighting Razorgore, etc.) - Send your questions to swammi@wowguru.com`
`06:18.23`	`Legorol`	`kremonte, i am having difficulties with the link.lua file you posted`
`06:18.50`	`Legorol`	`could you help me?`
`06:18.54`	`Legorol`	`it's an issue with encoding..`
`06:23.53`	`Depherios`	`yay, I can now tell class, reaction, and pvp status, just by the color of my target's health and mana bars`
`06:26.44`	`Depherios`	`and mine... and everybody elses..... kinda rainbow-ish... but it works`
`06:29.02`	`zeeg`	`i wish they'd find a way to ban this shit..`
`06:29.09`	`zeeg`	`http://wow.mmofiles.com/tools/498/syndrome-1.1.9.2.html`
`06:29.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`whats it do?`
`06:30.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`and why are u hostin git`
`06:30.35`	`Kaelten`	`anyone able to walk me through setting up svn to use svnserve?`
`06:31.38`	`Depherios`	`I'm more curious as to why in gods name MMO Files would let categories like "Tags: Cheat Exploit Hack"`
`06:31.40`	`Depherios`	`exsist`
`06:32.44`	`zeeg`	`AnduinLothar, im not hosting it`
`06:32.50`	`zeeg`	`its an unmoderated system`
`06:32.53`	`zeeg`	`it lets you teleport etc.`
`06:33.02`	`zeeg`	`i tested it in IF`
`06:33.04`	`zeeg`	`and i never got banned`
`06:33.05`	`zeeg`	`'which is sad`
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`06:34.20`	`Depherios`	`always love getting into a BG just as my bars are as torn up as they can possibly be XD`
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`06:34.25`	`AnduinLothar`	`i believe the tags are user generated`
`06:34.34`	`AnduinLothar`	`specified by the uploader`
`06:34.34`	`AnduinLothar`	`but why zeeg hasn't removed it, emailed blizz and banned the ip i dont know`
`06:34.43`	`zeeg`	`i emaild blizz months ago about it`
`06:34.49`	`zeeg`	`i dont have a way to delete files yet`
`06:36.18`	`zeeg`	`but ya anyone can specify tags, mirrors, etc.`
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`06:38.58`	`Tain`	`It's a hack, Anduin. Lets you teleport, superspeed run, some other things.`
`06:39.25`	`kremonte`	`yeesh`
`06:39.31`	`kremonte`	`visor is annoying to setup`
`06:39.44`	`kremonte`	`it's not stupidmode like flexbar`
`06:39.47`	`kremonte`	`i'm lost! D:`
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`06:45.55`	`clad\|sleep`	`s/ight/night/;`
`06:52.11`	`Depherios`	`as I spend five minutes trying to figure out how my bar resizing code is causing my bar to twitch.................... to realize I'm standing in a fire`
`06:56.28`	`Guillotine`	`:/ lady onyxia is bugged. she is in dragon form in SW, but friendly. and FR buffs to ppl`
`06:56.35`	`Guillotine`	`giving*`
`06:56.45`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`06:56.51`	`Ktron_`	`aight, I better sleep`
`06:57.03`	`Ktron_`	`need to get up tomorrow, and start getting used to waking up for 9am instead of 12am heh`
`06:57.10`	`Guillotine`	`muhahaha. 1200 FR at level 28`
`06:57.38`	`Guillotine`	`too bad buff only lasts for 2 mins`
`06:57.46`	`Guillotine`	`you could like solo MC with that buff`
`06:57.53`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`06:58.01`	`Ktron_`	`if you could pump out the damage`
`06:58.06`	`Ktron_`	`heh`
`06:58.15`	`Ktron_`	`though I imagine killed 5 core hounds at once would be hard ;)`
`06:58.39`	`Guillotine`	`true...`
`07:01.38`	`zeeg`	`Would anyone here be interested in doing a weekly column of some sorts on UI stuff? (Could be anything from a weekly coding snippet, to an article on interface design and layout, etc.)`
`07:07.20`	`Guillotine`	`I would`
`07:07.58`	`Galdoc`	`I can contribute something.`
`07:08.06`	`zeeg`	`hrm`
`07:08.14`	`Galdoc`	`Like, an article or two on UI theory.`
`07:08.22`	`Galdoc`	`don't know if I could do it weekly, but...`
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`07:29.33`	`Guillotine`	`g2g guys. ttyl`
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`08:13.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`nifty. don't need confirm to update on wowi anymore`
`08:14.00`	`zeeg`	`O.o`
`08:14.09`	`zeeg`	`is that for everyone now?`
`08:14.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`no idea`
`08:15.26`	`Depherios`	`probably not`
`08:15.45`	`zeeg`	`wow-europe.com's server is so slow :(`
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`08:42.57`	`Osagasu`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mages/talents.html?0500505100414305055021002030000000000000000000`
`08:43.20`	`Osagasu`	`Impossibly High (TM) Crit rate`
`08:46.52`	`End`	`fghgfhfgh`
`08:46.54`	`End`	`oops`
`08:46.56`	`End`	`haha`
`09:01.56`	`zeeg`	`hrmm`
`09:02.06`	`zeeg`	`does anyone know of anything that would feed wireless svideo?`
`09:03.13`	`Tem`	`I seem to remember there being something like that at my old school`
`09:04.32`	`zeeg`	`hrm`
`09:04.34`	`zeeg`	`wonder if it's pricey`
`09:05.07`	`Tem`	`I would bet it is`
`09:05.14`	`Corrodias`	`9% higher crit chance on your fire spells, eh`
`09:05.28`	`Tem`	`yeah Corrodias I wouldn't spec that way either`
`09:05.38`	`Corrodias`	`assuming it starts at 8%, that does double it`
`09:05.45`	`Tem`	`If I'm going into fire I want that 10% boost`
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`09:38.19`	`zeeg`	`grrr`
`09:38.25`	`zeeg`	`windows medi aplayer wont stream the movie on my second monitor wtf`
`09:41.43`	`Tem`	`is anyone familiar with the "alphaMode" setting on textures?`
`09:41.59`	`Galdoc`	`hm.`
`09:42.03`	`Galdoc`	`If you mean the alpha layer, then yes.`
`09:42.21`	`Galdoc`	`other than that, I don't know what you mean`
`09:42.21`	`Tem`	`no I mean <Texture alphaMode=""/>`
`09:42.40`	`Galdoc`	`no. :( check the wiki.`
`09:42.47`	`Fanook`	`it tells WoW how to apply the alpha layer to the image`
`09:42.48`	`Tem`	`<Texture alphaMode="ADD"> is the only one I've ever seen used`
`09:43.18`	`Galdoc`	`that makes sense.`
`09:43.34`	`Galdoc`	`if it's anything like photoshop, there's probably "overlay" and "multiply" and such.`
`09:43.50`	`kremonte`	`WoWShop? i think not E:`
`09:43.53`	`Fanook`	`iirc, there's alphakey, add, multiply, and one i cant remember`
`09:43.56`	`Galdoc`	`heehee`
`09:44.09`	`Tem`	`but I can see from the schema that "BLEND" "ALPHAKEY" and "DISABLE" are the other valid options`
`09:44.22`	`Tem`	`I'm just wondering what each does`
`09:44.40`	`Fanook`	`blend is add, alphakey is normal transparency, disable ignores alpha`
`09:44.49`	`Fanook`	`er, blend is multiply`
`09:45.39`	`Fanook`	`hmmm, my taskbar has disappeared...`
`09:45.58`	`Tem`	`by normal transparency, do you mean an "alpha mask"`
`09:46.04`	`Tem`	`similar to the alpha channel in a tga?`
`09:46.08`	`Fanook`	`yes`
`09:46.13`	`Tem`	`k, that's useful`
`09:46.16`	`Tem`	`very useful`
`09:46.25`	`Fanook`	`it takes the alpha channel and applies it as transparency`
`09:46.48`	`Tem`	`What do you mean by "ignores alpha"?`
`09:47.45`	`Fanook`	`um, actually i'm not entirely sure. it's been a while since i played with these settings ;)`
`09:48.07`	`Fanook`	`but i would expect the disable setting to just ignore the alpha channel`
`09:48.18`	`Tem`	`aha`
`09:49.07`	`Fanook`	`ADD and BLEND most likely treat the alpha channel as greyscale and add to/scale the RGB values accordingly`
`09:49.35`	`Fanook`	`like the add and multiply filters in photoshop (i think that's what they do)`
`09:50.16`	`Tem`	`I've never been much of an imaging person`
`09:50.44`	`Fanook`	`i've never used photoshop's filters very much`
`09:55.53`	`Tem`	`well phoey`
`09:56.02`	`Tem`	`there doesn't appear to be a way to change that via lua`
`09:56.55`	`Galdoc`	`goodnights.`
`09:57.44`	`[MoonWolf]`	`night Galdoc`
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`10:34.16`	`Depherios`	`this multiple queue deal leads to a lot of us horde on spinebreaker (we outnumber allies) fighting 1 to 3 allies in WSG and having the match timeout... -- which is sucky... until I realize it's faster than grinding`
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`11:45.01`	`Shouryuu`	`raaaaaawwwwwwww cough cough ugh....`
`11:53.51`	`Shouryuu`	`going to bed at 9am is bad...`
`12:08.15`	`zeetg`	`yes, yes it is`
`12:08.28`	`Depherios`	`aww crap`
`12:08.30`	`Depherios`	`I need to go to bed`
`12:09.50`	`Depherios`	`Buah, I hate working with textures in WoW... exits program and restarts.... AGAIN`
`12:17.52`	`Cide`	`put them all in at first :)`
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`12:34.56`	`zeetg`	`ooo cide`
`12:35.01`	`zeetg`	`i need to talk to you :)`
`12:35.10`	`Cide`	`go ahead, I'm here`
`12:35.13`	`Depherios`	`I do, but I have to preview alpha and such :P then fix, restart, something still isn't right... restart... sigh`
`12:35.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`mmm, u dont have to restart to change the tga..`
`12:35.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`i think`
`12:35.40`	`AnduinLothar`	`just to add one`
`12:35.51`	`Cide`	`ya, it's reloaded if you change one`
`12:36.49`	`Cide`	`it just doesn't reload the file list other than on game launch`
`12:41.13`	`Depherios`	`... w00t? -- weird... maybe I had some other error that time then I'll have to try that tomorrow... as it is, I go beddybie soon, so I'm done with that for tonight... thanks though`
`12:42.04`	`Depherios`	`... I thought it should work that way since the UI does... but I figured maybe my vidcard loads graphics seperate from PC loading the code (or maybe my vidcard really does cache them until I restart and I'm fuxxored... or maybe I just need to go to bed)`
`12:43.58`	`Cide`	`probably the latter ;)`
`12:48.52`	`Shouryuu`	`aww ma head`
`12:49.22`	`Shouryuu`	`ma head's in pain`
`13:00.58`	`Shouryuu`	`I am not doing that again in a while`
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`13:27.47`	`Cide`	`apparently not, why?`
`13:29.11`	`Corrodias`	`just wanted to ask a question about an addon`
`13:29.22`	`Corrodias`	`redrange`
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`14:04.40`	`Cide`	`heh, it's pretty weird how the color picker frame uses .hasOpacity and .opacity = [1-0]`
`14:04.47`	`Cide`	`but it shows the slider in transparency`
`14:04.53`	`Cide`	`setting it to 100% returns opacity = 0`
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`15:22.03`	`Cide`	`hehe, I probably shouldn't have done: for k, v in getfenv(0) do if ( type(v) == "table" and v.GetScript and v:GetScript("OnEvent") ) then v.olGS = v.GetScript;v.GetScript = function(f, s) if ( event == "RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE" ) then CT_Print(f:GetName()) end return f:olGS(s); end end end`
`15:22.11`	`Cide`	`my game has been locked up for about a minute now`
`15:23.40`	`Cide`	`2 minutes..`
`15:24.55`	`Cide`	`3 minutes... doesn't seem like a very smart thing to do, heh`
`15:25.14`	`krka`	`uhmm... you're replaying ALL OnEvent?`
`15:25.18`	`krka`	`replacing`
`15:25.27`	`krka`	`and creating a new function for each one`
`15:26.10`	`krka`	`why function(f, s) btw?`
`15:26.21`	`krka`	`never mind, :-operator`
`15:26.25`	`Cide`	`yep :)`
`15:26.31`	`krka`	`i am blind at times`
`15:26.38`	`Cide`	`still locked`
`15:26.50`	`krka`	`would have been better to have created the function outside the loop`
`15:26.58`	`Cide`	`haha, ya`
`15:27.16`	`Cide`	`going to try that`
`15:30.47`	`Cide`	`starting... now`
`15:30.54`	`Cide`	`or not, it errored!`
`15:31.07`	`Cide`	`function u(f, s) if(event=="RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE") then CT_Print(f:GetName()) end return f:olGS(s) end end for v in getfenv(0) do if(type(v)=="table" and v.GetScript and v:GetScript("OnEvent") ) then v.olGS = v.GetScript;v.GetScript = u end end`
`15:31.36`	`Cide`	`oops, too many 'end'`
`15:32.46`	`Cide`	`hmm, nothing happens`
`15:33.41`	`Cide`	`using /script function u(f, s) if(event=="RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE") then CT_Print(f:GetName()) end return f:olGS(s) end for v in getfenv(0) do if(type(v)=="table" and v.GetScript and v:GetScript("OnEvent") ) then v.olGS = v.GetScript;v.GetScript = u end end`
`15:35.58`	`Cide`	`oh, I'm stupid`
`15:39.14`	id`	`Q: grey or gray`
`15:39.17`	id`	`:\`
`15:39.20`	`krka`	`forgot "for k, v"?`
`15:39.26`	`krka`	`both are correct I think`
`15:39.47`	`Cide`	`they don't error`
`15:39.57`	`Cide`	`but I want them to print out when a function receives a raid_roster_event`
`15:40.05`	`Cide`	`err, RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE event`
`15:40.21`	`Cide`	`now I'm using: /script function u() if(event=="RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE") then CT_Print(f:GetName()) end if ( this.o ) then this.o() end end for v in getfenv(0) do if(type(v)=="table" and v.GetScript ) then v.o = v:GetScript("OnEvent"); v:SetScript("OnEvent", u) end end`
`15:40.25`	`Cide`	`but it still doesn't work`
`15:40.51`	`Cide`	`actually, now it did`
`15:41.02`	`Cide`	`I needed k, v apparently`
`15:42.12`	`Cide`	`that's sweet`
`15:42.20`	`Cide`	`/script function u() if(event=="RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE") then CT_Print(this:GetName()) end if ( this.o ) then this.o() end end for k,v in getfenv(0) do if(type(v)=="table" and v.GetScript ) then v.o = v:GetScript("OnEvent"); v:SetScript("OnEvent", u) end end`
`15:42.36`	`Cide`	`returns all frames that register RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE`
`15:42.44`	`Cide`	`(when that event is called)`
`15:44.33`	`krka`	`why not just hook registerevent?`
`15:44.51`	`Cide`	`I can't do that for every frame in getfenv`
`15:44.56`	`Cide`	`since they are already registrered`
`15:47.03`	`Cide`	`though, I get a stack overflow now... wonder why`
`15:49.25`	`krka`	`well, make sure your addon loads first, and then hook the registerevent function`
`15:49.39`	`Cide`	`I need the blizzard ones too... UIParent, PlayerFrame, RaidFrame, CT_RAFrame, CT_RAOptionsFrame, CT_RATargetFrame, CT_RaidTrackerFrame, RaidPullot1-12`
`15:49.52`	`Cide`	`I already hooked my own registerevent ones`
`15:50.13`	`krka`	`hmm... true`
`15:50.23`	`krka`	`btw, you should do this:`
`15:51.30`	`krka`	`hm`
`15:51.35`	`krka`	`you can't use "this"`
`15:51.50`	`Cide`	`in "u"?`
`15:52.00`	`krka`	`nowhere`
`15:52.06`	`krka`	`it only sets on events`
`15:52.18`	`Cide`	`"u" is used during OnEvent`
`15:52.26`	`krka`	`oops, you're right`
`15:52.28`	`krka`	`sorry :)`
`15:52.32`	`Cide`	`hehe`
`15:53.25`	`krka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:53.46`	`krka`	`if you only need to check it once`
`15:59.13`	`Cide`	`seems like`
`15:59.35`	`Cide`	`UIParent:UnregisterEvent("RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE"); PlayerFrame:UnregisterEvent("RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE") fixes the lag`
`16:02.48`	`Cide`	`RaidOptionsFrame_UpdatePartyFrames = function() end also fixes it!`
`16:05.24`	`krka`	`really? how often does it update?`
`16:06.38`	`Cide`	`on raid_roster_update`
`16:07.15`	`Cide`	`at least it does for me..`
`16:11.12`	`Corrodias`	`one billion times per frame`
`16:11.34`	`krka`	`what triggers it?`
`16:11.39`	`krka`	`members joining / leaving raids?`
`16:21.37`	`Cide`	`among others`
`16:21.55`	`Cide`	`changing group, seems like it triggers when UnitIsVisible("raid#") change stoo`
`16:21.58`	`Cide`	`changes too*`
`16:22.33`	`Beladona`	`hidey howdy`
`16:23.36`	`Cide`	`hi Beladona`
`16:36.21`	`Corrodias`	`hidey ho good neighbor`
`16:36.44`	`Corrodias`	`think i mixed two up there. oh, well, i'm going to bed in a minute. i have an excuse; i'm tired.`
`16:36.57`	`Cide`	`hmmm`
`16:37.21`	`Cide`	`anyone can think of a reason as to why ShowPartyFrame and HidePartyFrame cause like a 1 sec freeze with ctra?`
`16:37.45`	`Beladona`	`last time I had that problem, I was doing a while loop in an onupdate`
`16:37.58`	`Cide`	`it only happens once on RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE`
`16:38.02`	`Corrodias`	`a lot of stuff going on when IsVisible() changes?`
`16:38.05`	`Cide`	`they are both called by Blizzard's UI`
`16:38.09`	`Cide`	`and only once`
`16:39.17`	`Cide`	`PlayerFrame_UpdateGroupIndicator also causes some lag`
`16:39.27`	`Cide`	`but not a lot`
`16:40.17`	`Corrodias`	`i have no idea~~~`
`16:40.19`	`Cide`	`like, 1-5 frames skipped compared to almost a second of skipping when calling RaidOptionsFrame_UpdatePartyFrames (which only calls HidePartyFrame() ShowPartyFrame())`
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`16:45.18`	`Beladona`	`Yatlas has some issues with player location checking`
`16:45.38`	`krka`	`what issues?`
`16:46.23`	`Beladona`	`well let see`
`16:46.27`	`Beladona`	`I am in Thousand Needles`
`16:46.59`	`Beladona`	`Goto player brings up a random map (that is black and blank anyway) that I haven't been to`
`16:47.16`	`Beladona`	`always in Eastern Kingdoms`
`16:47.24`	`Corrodias`	`i posted a smartass reply, just because i like to do that kind of thing, Cairenn`
`16:48.48`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`ewwww, that's nasty Corrodias`
`16:48.50`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`lol`
`16:49.18`	`Beladona`	`think I need to hack Yatlas 0.o`
`16:49.28`	`Corrodias`	`i'm on a roll; i even made a joke yesterday`
`16:49.50`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`I normally would object, but when someone tells me to learn2read, then to hell with them :p`
`16:49.52`	`krka`	`can you pinpoint the yatlas bug?`
`16:50.14`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`HAH! Chetto responded`
`16:50.24`	`Corrodias`	`krka: it's in the part where it figures out which map is appropriate for your current location or the part where it determines your current location`
`16:50.35`	`End-sleep`	`Beladona: yeah, I know about it :-/`
`16:50.45`	`krka`	`i see`
`16:50.47`	`End`	`I don't know when it broke, but it broke recently`
`16:50.52`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`"Sorry for the insult. It's working now. Thank you."`
`16:50.56`	`Beladona`	`is it yours?`
`16:50.59`	`End`	`yes`
`16:51.01`	`Beladona`	`ahh`
`16:51.09`	`Beladona`	`too many texture references`
`16:51.15`	`End`	`lol`
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`16:51.35`	`Beladona`	`why not just set it to a single map range just like the regular worldmap and they have to click a dropdown to change?`
`16:52.02`	`End`	`a single map range?`
`16:52.09`	`End`	`I'm not sure I'm following you...`
`16:52.09`	`Beladona`	`well`
`16:52.19`	`Corrodias`	`i love the idea of having interesting stuff annotated on the map`
`16:52.24`	`Beladona`	`in the world map, if you are looking at the THousand Needles map, you can move around that map, nothing more`
`16:52.37`	`Beladona`	`you have to change the dropdown for others`
`16:53.25`	`End`	`ok...`
`16:53.30`	`Beladona`	`I would be happy with basically a worldmap, with realistic textures (like you have) annotations, and small like yours`
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`16:55.12`	`End`	`I -think- I -might- understand what you are saying now...`
`16:55.28`	`Corrodias`	`it only displays one "area" at a time`
`16:55.51`	`Beladona`	`yeah`
`16:55.59`	`Beladona`	`would cut down on textures needed`
`16:56.03`	`End`	`oh`
`16:56.24`	`Corrodias`	`one area is displayed and everything else is featureless`
`16:56.36`	`End`	`I suppose I could do that...`
`16:56.50`	`Beladona`	`I might look into merging instanced areas too`
`16:57.00`	`End`	`but, it'd be an additional option, since I like seeing multiple zones at a time ;P`
`16:57.08`	`End`	`I've been working on instances`
`16:57.12`	`End`	`well`
`16:57.18`	`End`	`battlagrounds it can do already`
`16:57.20`	`Beladona`	`basically Yatlas + Atlas`
`16:57.26`	`Corrodias`	`Xatlas`
`16:57.41`	`Beladona`	`Atlas,Smatlas`
`16:57.46`	`End`	`well, I've been working on instances without having to depend on Atlas :P`
`16:57.55`	`Beladona`	`I know`
`16:57.57`	`Beladona`	`thats what I mean`
`16:57.58`	`End`	`the problem is, almost all instances are made up of "building pieces"`
`16:58.06`	`End`	`instead of terrain pieces`
`16:58.16`	`Corrodias`	`there's no shame in depending on Atlas for instance maps. they're good.`
`16:58.20`	`End`	`exceptions being say ZG and ZF`
`16:58.25`	`Corrodias`	`it has good detection code, too`
`16:58.27`	`Beladona`	`have you thought about converting the textures into regular maps like atlas uses`
`16:58.40`	`End`	`I've thought of it`
`16:58.40`	`Beladona`	`would make it easier for you to make it fit into your frame`
`16:59.24`	`End`	`well...`
`16:59.35`	`End`	`the thing is though, that's not what I'm trying to do :P`
`17:00.00`	`End`	`one of the things I'm trying to do is limit image data to coming from existing data stored with the client`
`17:00.25`	`End`	`I don't want to generate my own images`
`17:00.31`	`Beladona`	`I understand`
`17:00.56`	`Beladona`	`and it isn't a bad idea if it can be done`
`17:01.23`	`End`	`it could be done, but I have a lot of things I need to do :P`
`17:02.30`	`End`	`anyways, while its still on my mind, I'll look into the jump to player bug`
`17:04.02`	`End`	`this is going to be fun :P`
`17:04.18`	`End`	`I'm going to have to go on the zepp over and over switching zones :P`
`17:04.19`	`Beladona`	`am looking at it too`
`17:05.27`	`End`	`oh wait`
`17:05.33`	`End`	`hmmm`
`17:05.40`	`End`	`this may be easier than I expected`
`17:05.54`	`Beladona`	`lol`
`17:06.02`	`End`	`ok, so it isn't going Azeroth -> Kalimdor, but we knew that...`
`17:06.07`	`Beladona`	`I just hearthed to Freewind post`
`17:06.12`	`Beladona`	`and it thinks I am in Teldrassil`
`17:06.17`	`End`	`o_O`
`17:06.27`	`End`	`where were you before?`
`17:06.33`	`End`	`oh`
`17:06.39`	`End`	`I think I know which change did it`
`17:07.35`	`End`	`that would be...`
`17:07.40`	`End`	`r259`
`17:09.18`	`End`	`line 922 I believe is the problem`
`17:09.29`	`End`	`it doesn't find you in the first map it checks`
`17:09.34`	`End`	`"Azeroth"`
`17:09.36`	`End`	`so it aborts`
`17:09.40`	`End`	`but it never gets to switch maps`
`17:09.49`	`End`	`wait`
`17:09.49`	`End`	`no`
`17:09.51`	`End`	`o_O`
`17:09.56`	`Corrodias`	`it should try checking other maps`
`17:10.01`	`End`	`that's not it`
`17:10.08`	`End`	`oh`
`17:10.25`	`End`	`I misread my own code :X`
`17:10.50`	`End`	`1) it's checking elsewhere`
`17:11.01`	`End`	`2) the change is actually 918`
`17:11.02`	`Beladona`	`I see it`
`17:11.53`	`Beladona`	`it checks the next map, and if you are in it, it does an update, but if not, it does a SetMapSoom(v); and then ends`
`17:12.04`	`Beladona`	`SetMapZoom rather`
`17:12.15`	`End`	`hmmm`
`17:12.19`	`End`	`going back to org`
`17:12.25`	`End`	`the problem only exists in Kalimdor`
`17:12.46`	`Beladona`	`Kalimdor is a different map set isn't it?`
`17:12.57`	`End`	`yes`
`17:12.58`	`Beladona`	`maybe it is only checking Eastern because it comes first`
`17:13.07`	`End`	`that's my theory`
`17:13.09`	`End`	`although`
`17:13.14`	`End`	`hmm`
`17:13.23`	`End`	`I think maybe Kalimdor is first`
`17:13.32`	`End`	`Kalimdor = 1, Azeroth = 2`
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`17:15.23`	`End`	`well`
`17:15.33`	`End`	`I have found part of the problem`
`17:15.41`	`Cide`	`this is what I use (I think it works): http://wow.pastebin.com/506885`
`17:15.42`	`End`	`it's not that it is going nowhere`
`17:15.53`	`End`	`it's that it is going to 0,0`
`17:16.05`	`End`	`on Azeroth`
`17:16.14`	`End`	`oh`
`17:16.23`	`End`	`didn't know there is a SetMapToCurrentZone()`
`17:16.35`	`End`	`or a GetCurrentMapContinent(), GetCurrentMapZone()`
`17:16.48`	`End`	`on the downside, I'll have to fix this problem later anyways`
`17:16.59`	`End`	`since I'll need to do jump to raid/party`
`17:17.24`	`End`	`although, thanks Cide, it'll let me -easily- fix it for player`
`17:17.46`	`Cide`	`no problem`
`17:20.06`	`krka`	`maplibrary ftw!`
`17:20.30`	`End`	`well, that's interesting though :P`
`17:20.47`	`End`	`it doesn't stop searching :P`
`17:21.01`	`Corrodias`	`it should stop when it finds the right one`
`17:21.05`	`End`	`o_O`
`17:21.05`	`End`	`wait`
`17:21.06`	`End`	`no`
`17:21.06`	`Corrodias`	`<- helpful`
`17:21.15`	`End`	`<- can't read his own code! :X`
`17:22.28`	`Corrodias`	`--comments, man, comments!`
`17:22.47`	`krka`	`comments are lame`
`17:23.18`	id`	`depends`
`17:24.02`	`Corrodias`	`comments like "--adds one to x" are lame`
`17:24.24`	`Cladhaire`	`-- This code checks if something is true.. and then does one thing.. otherwise it does something else.`
`17:24.35`	`End`	`usually I don't comment in the first pass, although I might in later changes`
`17:24.49`	`End`	`which is why I have a comment that says -- assume we changed locations`
`17:24.53`	`Corrodias`	`phrasing it like that is pretty useless. however, if you fill in the "something"s, that's one of the best kinds of comments :D`
`17:24.59`	`End`	`but nowhere else in that portion of the code :P`
`17:25.32`	`Beladona`	`back soon`
`17:25.39`	`Corrodias`	`if you have a complex "if" with lots of function calls within, that's a great kind of comment`
`17:27.20`	`Cladhaire`	`An if else if statement should be self-commented.`
`17:27.23`	`End`	`well, I was wrong about one thing, it wasn't that revision that broke it`
`17:27.24`	`Cladhaire`	`using proper variable names`
`17:27.34`	`Cladhaire`	`you can give the concept --Check to see if we're mounted.`
`17:27.37`	`Cladhaire`	`that's valid.`
`17:28.23`	`Corrodias`	`"self commented"?`
`17:30.48`	`End`	`oh`
`17:31.10`	`Corrodias`	`ah, he's learning`
`17:31.27`	`End`	`well, that a silly bug`
`17:31.37`	`End`	`it does check Azeroth first`
`17:31.44`	`End`	`er, that is`
`17:32.18`	`Corrodias`	`so?`
`17:32.25`	`Corrodias`	`people play in azeroth`
`17:32.39`	`End`	`this isn't about those people`
`17:32.44`	`End`	`it worked fine for those people`
`17:33.05`	`End`	`the short of it is 0,0 is returned if you aren't on that map`
`17:33.34`	`End`	`I was clearing the locations if we got 0,0 but then it'd write 0,0 as the location all over again`
`17:33.59`	`End`	`originally it was checking for 0,0 somewhere else I think for validity`
`17:34.25`	`End`	`oh`
`17:34.28`	`End`	`that's interesting`
`17:34.52`	`End`	`I only partially fixed o_O`
`17:36.47`	`End`	`there we go`
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`17:50.30`	`Corrodias`	`"You can be Human, Night Elf, Dwarf, Undead or Troll but know this, you pick one and the rest of the characters on that server have to be of the same side."...`
`17:50.50`	`Corrodias`	`why do so many people assume the player is going to roll on a PvP server? i wonder if these are the same people who whine about being ganked repeatedly`
`17:51.06`	`Corrodias`	`often when reading guides i see this`
`17:56.19`	`Codayus`	`Wait, no gnomes?`
`17:56.32`	`Corrodias`	`priests`
`17:56.38`	`Codayus`	`Ah, nevermind.`
`17:59.25`	`Corrodias`	`dwarf priests, with fear ward, must be popular in onyxia raids...`
`17:59.54`	`Osagasu`	`Dwarf priest are almost as bad as troll priests`
`17:59.55`	`Osagasu`	`:P`
`18:00.03`	`Corrodias`	`what are troll priests like?`
`18:03.15`	`Cide`	`like any other priest`
`18:05.06`	`Corrodias`	`this isn't getting me anywhere`
`18:05.10`	`Corrodias`	`i'm going back to bed. 'ni`
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`20:20.20`	`Tem`	`krka, you are the original author of AutoTravel, right?`
`20:27.51`	`krka`	`yes`
`20:34.35`	`krka`	`ok... what am I missing here, how do I show tooltips?`
`20:34.50`	`krka`	`SetOwner and SetSpell should be enough, yes?`
`20:36.07`	`Fanook`	`you still need to call Show()`
`20:36.29`	`krka`	`yeah doing that aswell`
`20:36.35`	`krka`	`does ordering matter?`
`20:37.14`	`Fanook`	`should be doing Show last`
`20:40.17`	`krka`	`not working for me :(`
`20:40.40`	`krka`	`yay, made it work`
`20:40.44`	`krka`	`forgot to remove a Show`
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`21:10.09`	`krka`	`tem, why did you ask?`
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`21:55.17`	`Cide`	`good evening`
`21:57.26`	`pagefault`	`greetings`
`21:57.38`	`Depherios`	`ROFL BG starting just saved me from a high level ganking`
`21:57.44`	`pagefault`	`greetings`
`21:57.44`	`pagefault`	`hehe`
`21:57.45`	`pagefault`	`haha`
`21:59.54`	`Cide`	`Iriel: are you around?`
`21:59.58`	`Iriel`	`I am indeed`
`22:01.46`	`Cide`	`regarding CTRA lag; I found all the frames that registrered RAID_... whereafter I started UnregisterEvent them one by one... after doing that to UIParent and PlayerFrame, the lag stopped... I checked the OnEvent handlers, and it turns out UIParent calls a function (I forgot its name) which calls HidePartyFrame(); ShowPartyFrame()`
`22:02.15`	`Iriel`	`Did you have things hanging off the party frames?`
`22:02.19`	`Cide`	`not in CTRA`
`22:02.37`	`Cide`	`replacing that function with an empty one reduces the lag by 80%, replacing the function called for PlayerFrame during RAID_... takes away the rest`
`22:03.35`	`Iriel`	`But the lag's only there if CTRA is also present?`
`22:03.37`	`Cide`	`Hide/ShowPartyFrame only calls Show and Hide for the party frames though... any idea why that would cause so much freeze? seems to me like the engine has to redraw the whole UI or something`
`22:03.42`	`Cide`	`correct`
`22:03.57`	`Cide`	`and I removed everything (as far as I know) that CTRA did to the party frames`
`22:04.19`	`Iriel`	`It could just be OnShow's and OnHides on the party frames`
`22:04.29`	`Iriel`	`they have a lot of subcomponents`
`22:04.55`	`Cide`	`the party frames have an OnShow handler`
`22:05.23`	`Iriel`	`any child frames with them will also get invoked`
`22:05.52`	`Cide`	`which calls this:SetFrameLevel(2), I commented it out and reloaded but it didn't help at all (not sure if it reloads the template files though?)`
`22:06.08`	`Iriel`	`reload ui does reload templates AFAIK`
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`22:11.23`	`Cide-`	`my cats hate me sometimes`
`22:11.43`	`Iriel`	`they're like that, mine have bitten through ethernet cables before`
`22:11.47`	`Iriel`	`Hey Cairenn!`
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`22:12.04`	`Cairenn`	`hey`
`22:12.23`	`krka`	`Iriel, the drawline is awesome! :)`
`22:12.39`	`Cide-`	`it indeed is, I've been working on a lot of things with it`
`22:13.10`	`Iriel`	`thanks! I've been using it for my new statring configuration code`
`22:13.21`	`Iriel`	`I dont know if any of you had a chance to play with the anchor drag test`
`22:14.27`	`krka`	`one think that would be cool is if you could make sure the first coordinate in the argument list always correspond to the same part of the texture, thus making it possible to have an "arrow" texture that always points correctly`
`22:14.57`	`Iriel`	`krka: It's relatively easy, you just need to set a flag if the dx < 0 test is true`
`22:15.16`	`Iriel`	`krka : And then swap the opposite corners to the SetTexCoord call if it is`
`22:15.23`	`krka`	`yah, didn't think it would be overly difficult`
`22:15.28`	`Iriel`	`krka: I didn't want the extra if in my code, it's 5 lines, I think`
`22:15.38`	`krka`	`ah I see`
`22:16.13`	`krka`	`would also be nice if you could specify texture width and height in the function, so it doesn't always need to be square`
`22:17.17`	`krka`	`hm, time for sleep now`
`22:17.35`	`Iriel`	`krka Again, that makes the math more complex, but it's not all that hard`
`22:17.38`	`Cairenn`	`night krka, sweet dreams`
`22:17.49`	`Iriel`	`krka : The texture doesn't haev to be square anyway`
`22:18.01`	`Iriel`	`krka: You just need to make sure that the transparent border is proportionally relative tho`
`22:18.29`	`Iriel`	`Note to self: Typing /reload into a linux shell window doesn't reload wow on the other computer`
`22:18.36`	`Maldivia`	`hehe`
`22:18.51`	`Maldivia`	`krka: for the swapping code - I added it to my test-clock-mod`
`22:21.44`	`Tain`	`Note to self: Copying the old file over itself instead of the newly edited one is not a good way to test.`
`22:26.15`	`Iriel`	`Opinion Question...`
`22:26.25`	`Iriel`	`Left Button = Scale / Right Button = Rotate`
`22:26.29`	`Iriel`	`Or the other way around?`
`22:27.49`	`Cairenn`	`either or`
`22:28.24`	`Cairenn`	`it's not like that is something that "X" is the usual configuration, thus setting them up opposite will confuse users`
`22:30.44`	`Iriel`	`I've discovered I mentally want it backwards from that, so backwards it will be 8-)`
`22:31.03`	`Cairenn`	`not backwards, opposite ;)`
`22:31.42`	`Cairenn`	`yes, I'm being silly`
`22:43.22`	`Cladhaire`	`Iriel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=301779&p=1&tmp=1#post301779 in case you haven't seen the updates =)`
`22:46.37`	`Guillotine`	`haha. funniest request ever on Addons forum: My GM is being stubborn, I want the ability to read gchat but not type in it. Yeah, i could use restraint, but i don't want the temptation.`
`22:46.52`	`Guillotine`	`its sad when people rely on an addon over restraint`
`22:46.55`	`Cladhaire`	`haha`
`22:46.57`	`Cladhaire`	`thats awesome`
`22:47.29`	`Guillotine`	`I'm tempted to make an addon for him that 'does that' but really have it send offensive messages to guild chat...`
`22:47.46`	`Guillotine`	`"Our GM might as well be a troll butt"`
`22:47.51`	`Cladhaire`	`haha`
`22:47.54`	`Guillotine`	`"You all suck tauren"`
`22:47.59`	`Cladhaire`	`sorry, that's amusing.`
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`22:50.57`	`Iriel`	`Cladhaire : I've chimed in again, I wish he'd been more clear up front with what he was trying to do`
`22:52.35`	`Cladhaire`	`nod Its been going on for about a week in the ace forums, and in irc`
`22:53.02`	`Cladhaire`	`Iriel: Your method assumes that no addons hook after they're loaded.`
`22:53.25`	`Cladhaire`	`Iriel: which isn't the case.. WatchDog and there are a few others don't hook until the option that requires the hook is enabled.. to be friendly to everyone else.`
`22:53.36`	`Iriel`	`Cladhaire : This is true, we have no way of telling if that happens though`
`22:53.40`	`Iriel`	`Actually, thats a lie`
`22:53.44`	`Iriel`	`we do, but it's nasty`
`22:53.47`	`Cladhaire`	`nod`
`22:54.08`	`Iriel`	`1) Put a metatable on the global environment with __index and __newindex`
`22:54.19`	`Iriel`	`2) rawset the symbol you want to watch to nil`
`22:54.27`	`Cladhaire`	`and intercept everything`
`22:54.27`	`Cladhaire`	`yhep`
`22:54.33`	`Iriel`	`3) Simulate the symbol being there, so that you still get all interceps`
`22:54.38`	`Iriel`	`It's pretty horrible though`
`22:54.42`	`Cladhaire`	`then you just have to unhook before LoadOnDemand`
`22:54.49`	`Cladhaire`	`consider the options I gave him are glorious to begin with`
`22:54.51`	`Iriel`	`You dont even have to do that`
`22:55.21`	`Iriel`	`You could just discard and inactivate your previous hook, and add a new one`
`22:55.25`	`Iriel`	`it's ugly but it'd work`
`22:55.25`	`Cladhaire`	`nod`
`22:55.35`	`Iriel`	`What on earth is he trying to hook 'last' for anyway?`
`22:55.43`	`Iriel`	`why does he care so damn much?`
`22:55.59`	`Cladhaire`	`because i told him he can't do it.`
`22:56.12`	`Cladhaire`	`he wants to intercept UseAction before anyone else gets it.`
`22:56.15`	`Cladhaire`	`and call CastSpellByName instead`
`22:56.18`	`Cladhaire`	`or CastSpell`
`22:56.47`	`Cladhaire`	`He'd like heals and spells to auto scale based on the target informatino (Which isn't always available.. that's a whole nother set of 7 hooks =)`
`22:57.09`	`Cladhaire`	`automagically on the default actionbars`
`22:57.39`	`Cladhaire`	`When I presented a library and macros as an option (Similar to AceHeal) he rejected it.. so I suggested making 5-6 custom buttons with keybindings.. he rejected that.`
`22:59.23`	`Tain`	`Along with, "I don't see the big deal, hooking doesn't seem that hard to understand."`
`22:59.25`	`Iriel`	`An OnUpdate which re-hooks the function every time it gets changed under him would be fairly easy`
`22:59.50`	`Cladhaire`	`Correct`
`23:00.41`	`Cladhaire`	`but thats the best i could come up with.. and its just a bad idea at that point`
`23:02.03`	`Iriel`	`Of course, since he knows which of HIS addons hook UseAction, he could just make them all optional dependencies of his addon!`
`23:02.16`	`Iriel`	`(by HIS I mean, the ones he has installed, whether he wrote them or not)`
`23:02.19`	`Cladhaire`	`No.. he wants to release the glorious solution into the wild`
`23:02.40`	`Cladhaire`	`I gave him like 3 lines of code which did what he wanted.. if he could isolate everything =)`
`23:08.27`	`Guillotine`	`does anyone yet know the format of a new enchantment link?`
`23:08.39`	`Maldivia`	`"enchant:id"`
`23:08.49`	`Guillotine`	`theres no other parameters?`
`23:08.52`	`Maldivia`	`nope`
`23:08.55`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=948&highlight= is the original thread, Iriel`
`23:09.50`	`Maldivia`	`Guillotine: http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/mod/EnchantMe.zip -- small mod of mine, contains all enchants and their IDs`
`23:10.02`	`Guillotine`	`Maldivia: tnx alot :D`
`23:10.48`	`Maldivia`	`Guillotine: also has an UI ( /eme ) to see the enchants (with tooltips) and link them :)`
`23:11.12`	`Guillotine`	`now, the color of all enchantments is cffffffff (white)?`
`23:11.19`	`Maldivia`	`yeah`
`23:11.20`	`Cladhaire`	`and this is one of the first responses to the thread, by Instant: "I'd suggest you create your own cast buttons that calls your function, do the maths, then castbyspellname the normal spells. Saves you from hooking the function."`
`23:14.30`	`Iriel`	`heh`
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