| 00:00.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-59-51-225.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 00:00.12 | Beladona | hiya cladhaire |
| 00:00.15 | cladhaire | Evening. |
| 00:00.18 | cladhaire | HEyas Bela |
| 00:00.28 | Beladona | have time to play tonight? |
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| 00:03.29 | cladhaire | Bela: Tonight is coding/BWL |
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| 00:33.28 | MentalPower | Natasem: http://auctioneeraddon.com/trac/log/ |
| 00:33.57 | MentalPower | if you need more info come to the official IRC channel at irc://irc.datavertex.com/norganna |
| 00:34.09 | Natasem | ty |
| 00:36.17 | Cairenn | which other canucks are currently in channel ... any? |
| 00:36.48 | MentalPower | canucks, huh? |
| 00:36.56 | Cairenn | Canadians |
| 00:37.22 | MentalPower | sorry Cair |
| 00:37.31 | Cairenn | for? |
| 00:39.03 | Cairenn | cladhaire: you there? |
| 00:46.49 | pagefault | I am canadian |
| 00:46.51 | pagefault | eh |
| 00:47.30 | Cairenn | voted? |
| 00:48.04 | pagefault | yeah |
| 00:48.08 | pagefault | go green party |
| 00:48.51 | Cairenn | I am just praying that if the conservatives get in that they are a minority gov't |
| 00:48.59 | cladhaire | Cair: Yeah whats up? |
| 00:49.01 | pagefault | same here |
| 00:49.06 | Cairenn | otherwise we are completely fucked |
| 00:49.06 | pagefault | harper is the spawn of satan |
| 00:49.19 | Cairenn | cladhaire: was just gonna tell you to bug Sat to make sure he voted :p |
| 00:49.26 | pagefault | even the BQ would rather have the liberals in power |
| 00:49.48 | cladhaire | k |
| 00:49.53 | Cairenn | I'm just afraid that they (Con) *are* going to get in, so I'm soooo hoping that it's minority |
| 00:50.01 | Codayus | Hmm, interesting times. I may have to stop referring to Canada as a one party state. :-P |
| 00:50.01 | pagefault | right now it's projected as a minority |
| 00:50.15 | Cairenn | Liberals are bad enough, Harper though? *shudder* |
| 00:50.26 | pagefault | he wants to take away a woman's right to choose |
| 00:50.31 | pagefault | he's too draconian |
| 00:51.28 | Cairenn | well, and folks bitch about what the liberals have done .... how short is everyone's memory ... remember Mulroney? |
| 00:51.45 | pagefault | well these aren't really the same conservatives |
| 00:51.50 | pagefault | these are CA/Reform people |
| 00:52.00 | Cairenn | Liberals haven't fucked us over near so much as Conservatives do |
| 00:52.23 | Cairenn | oh, yeah, and CA/Reform are sooooo much better? not! |
| 00:52.31 | pagefault | i'd vote liberal again if they cleaned everyone out of their party with people with the same beliefs |
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| 00:53.35 | Cairenn | I went liberal because if I voted the party I'd prefer it'd *decrease* the chances of holding the PCs to minority |
| 00:54.07 | pagefault | thats a good reason |
| 00:54.13 | pagefault | I just voted green |
| 00:54.15 | pagefault | I always do |
| 00:54.16 | pagefault | :P |
| 00:54.21 | Codayus | On general principles, a new governemnt at least once every couple decades is probably helpful though - even if you LIKE the liberals. Of course, if you think a conservative government is even worse than another liberal one, that doesn't give you a lot of options. :-) |
| 00:54.43 | pagefault | I figure my vote isn't going to the liberals or conservatives |
| 00:54.52 | pagefault | so it's not really affecting anything at all, and the green party gets money for my vote |
| 00:54.54 | pagefault | everyone wins |
| 00:55.47 | Cairenn | the way I see it is, voting my preferred means it doesn't count for jack, but by voting liberal, it will help prevent pc from getting majority |
| 00:56.30 | Cairenn | although I have to admit, when I looked at the ballot, I was *damn* tempted to vote for the marijuana party ;) |
| 00:56.32 | pagefault | I think thats how a lot of people feel |
| 00:56.36 | pagefault | haha |
| 00:56.41 | pagefault | they don't have a candidate here :( |
| 00:57.24 | Cairenn | it's funny, their main guy is running in Central Ottawa, and he's actually got a decent chance of getting it! |
| 00:57.32 | pagefault | good on him |
| 00:57.33 | Cairenn | large student voting body there |
| 00:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, nice |
| 00:58.09 | pagefault | I will laugh if one of them gets in poower |
| 00:58.11 | pagefault | err power |
| 00:59.22 | Fanook | ooo, i DO get CBC on my cable |
| 00:59.43 | Fanook | well, kinda |
| 01:00.13 | Cairenn | I'll be watching the stream on the CBC site, in a couple hours |
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| 01:02.53 | kremonte | someone move me out of my county ;_; |
| 01:03.29 | kremonte | had captain at 50%, first AV win in more than a month, and my ISP goes down for unscheduled maintenance |
| 01:03.44 | Codayus | Dude! Bogus! |
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| 01:13.28 | Ktron | Hey everyone |
| 01:13.41 | Cairenn | hey Ktron :) |
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| 01:15.32 | kremonte | hehe |
| 01:35.58 | MentalPower | Cairenn: Could you please edit your "The Definitive Macro & AddOn FAQ" post regarding Enchantrix to "Enchantrix: http://enchantrix.org/ Enchantrix displays on the item tooltip an estimate on the results of an item disenchant" |
| 01:35.58 | MentalPower | :) |
| 01:36.11 | MentalPower | (post 8 ) |
| 01:37.30 | Cairenn | done |
| 01:38.53 | Cairenn | I really need to clean that thread up, but /sigh, trying to come up with the motivation |
| 01:39.14 | kremonte | Cairenn: we will need to post and moan and noobs less and can link them to that ^^ |
| 01:39.48 | Cairenn | wanna try that again in english, kremonte? |
| 01:40.20 | kremonte | we wont have to reply with "no" as much ^^ |
| 01:40.22 | MentalPower | Thanks Cair! |
| 01:41.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I should probably try Enchantrix out |
| 01:41.59 | Cairenn | so, asking again - is there anyone here who is good at writing ad copy/news releases? |
| 01:42.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Writing what exactly? |
| 01:43.08 | Cairenn | we've got a big project that is going to hopefully go live shortly, and darned if I know how to describe it |
| 01:43.38 | kremonte | i can describe things, but i usually sound more like someone who works at FOX than anything /shiver |
| 01:43.49 | Cairenn | Tem describes it as "Oooooh! Shiny!", but I don't think I can really post that |
| 01:43.52 | Iriel | well, i'd start off by giving it a name, and a bullet point list of what it does, then go back and fluff it up with pretty words |
| 01:43.56 | kremonte | hahaha, the AV game i DCed from where we had captain at 50%, the horde got back into our base |
| 01:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Tem's description |
| 01:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I could help out |
| 01:45.33 | Cairenn | I'm hoping that folks will use "an mod author's wet dream" in response to it, but *shrug*, we'll see how it goes over |
| 01:45.46 | zeeg | http://eq2.mmotheatre.com/2340/expansion--kingdom-of-sky-trailer.html |
| 01:45.50 | Cairenn | s/an/a/ |
| 01:46.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I could help you out there |
| 01:47.15 | Iriel | The question I will ask myself is.. |
| 01:47.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | " |
| 01:47.32 | Iriel | .. is it the one page i'd bookmark on the site. |
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| 01:48.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | "The new look of WoWInterface -- it's the In-Your-Face WoWInterface!" |
| 01:48.14 | kremonte | Cairenn: what project though? :x |
| 01:48.19 | kremonte | < is slow |
| 01:48.29 | Cairenn | let's not get specific, those of you that know, please and thank you |
| 01:48.42 | kremonte | oh |
| 01:49.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: I'm told by my english teacher that I have writing abilities beyond most any other student she's ever had |
| 01:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | If that counts for anything, haha |
| 01:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'd be willing to make things sound "spiffy" |
| 01:49.55 | kremonte | Cairenn: by the way, the WoWI 404's <title> is still EQInterface =P |
| 01:50.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ kremonte |
| 01:50.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That's good |
| 01:50.08 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 01:50.19 | kremonte | why blink? :Q |
| 01:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure enough |
| 01:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | "EQInterface - 404" |
| 01:51.40 | Cairenn | told Dolby, he'll get it fixed up - thanks |
| 01:51.55 | cladhaire | <3 Cair |
| 01:51.55 | kremonte | far too lazy to, ScytheBlade1 can do it : - ) |
| 01:51.59 | kremonte | oh |
| 01:52.02 | kremonte | misread |
| 01:52.03 | kremonte | haha. |
| 01:52.13 | kremonte | thought you said "tell" |
| 01:52.30 | Cairenn | *I* told Dolby, he'll get it fixed up - thanks |
| 01:52.38 | kremonte | yes i can see that now =P |
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| 01:54.07 | ScytheBlade1 | "affected users: about 3,700. Thanks." |
| 01:54.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That's good |
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| 01:54.22 | kremonte | haha |
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| 01:54.29 | kremonte | go freenode |
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| 01:55.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Better than DAL. |
| 01:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | By far. |
| 01:55.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I was over there for years for Camelot Systems, if any of you modded SC |
| 01:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It was horrible |
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| 02:21.07 | SP|Sorren | hypothetical situation: two frames, lets call em topf and bottomf, if topf was anchored to bottomf with its bottomleft and bottomright to bottomf's topleft and topright(respectively), and then bottomf was anchored with its top with topf's bottom, how does resizing bottomf affect topf? |
| 02:22.35 | Depherios | Yay Camsys! |
| 02:22.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo @ Depherios |
| 02:22.48 | Depherios | for how late I am... but still I <3 camsys XD |
| 02:23.02 | Depherios | did tons of stuff with those utilities |
| 02:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm (was) with SMEmp |
| 02:23.11 | ScytheBlade1 | We're the offical mirror of the CS tools |
| 02:23.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Merlin stops by our IRC channel every now and then ^^ |
| 02:23.32 | Depherios | XD |
| 02:23.53 | Depherios | I haven't had much to do with starcraft in years, but I uber modded it when the camsys stuff got usable |
| 02:24.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 02:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Perma-cloaked battlecruiser that fired five optical flares at a time in a valkyrie volley |
| 02:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Each exploding like a nuke |
| 02:24.24 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:24.24 | ScytheBlade1 | A hahaha, good times |
| 02:24.34 | Depherios | we did UMS maps that used patches XD |
| 02:24.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ah yes, I remember making a RPG with the SC tools, complete with custom background music per area, random spawn points, new magic system, etc. |
| 02:24.42 | Depherios | yeah |
| 02:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | GenNMX|Thrae: Know the maker of it? |
| 02:25.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | ScytheBlade1: Not really, I wasn't very deep into the SC Modding Community |
| 02:25.22 | Depherios | I made a few units all be the same unit, so I could make an RPG with units that leveled up without changing the unit |
| 02:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | GenNMX|Thrae: Too bad ;) |
| 02:26.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I take it you've all used WinMPQ or MPQ2k? |
| 02:26.24 | Depherios | I've used everything since MPQview I think XD |
| 02:26.36 | Iriel | SP|Sorren -- Let me read that again |
| 02:26.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | And I didn't make mods that required "patches", I just used WinMPQ to look at some internals |
| 02:26.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got Quantam and ShadowFlare sitting in the same IRC channel now :D |
| 02:26.55 | Depherios | XD |
| 02:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | (MPQ2k and WinMPQ respectively) |
| 02:27.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | I use WinMPQ more now with WoW ;) |
| 02:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus Suicidial Insanity and General Mengsk |
| 02:27.26 | Depherios | i used to check infoceptor every day :P |
| 02:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | SCMDraft and the heavy mod of campaign edit |
| 02:27.44 | Iriel | SP|Sorren - I think you'd get a cyclic anchor error when you tried to do the 2nd anchor |
| 02:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Ewww @ Infoceptor |
| 02:29.19 | Depherios | heh, the page sucked and I never used the forum, but the had the best repository of mods... I felt about infoceptor the way I feel about curse XD |
| 02:29.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That much is true |
| 02:30.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I enjoyed CamSys much more ^^ |
| 02:30.17 | Depherios | I check Curse ALMOST every day... but back then I was in school... bored... so I checked EVERY day |
| 02:30.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol yup |
| 02:30.39 | Depherios | yeah but they didn't host graphic conversions or anything D: -- they just had the fuggin AWESOME tools XD |
| 02:31.03 | ScytheBlade1 | CamSys? |
| 02:31.10 | Depherios | yeah camsys |
| 02:31.15 | Depherios | tools, not so much with the mods |
| 02:31.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 02:31.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, do you remember the Star Wars TC? |
| 02:31.34 | Depherios | OMG YES XD |
| 02:31.41 | ScytheBlade1 | My site is hosting that now |
| 02:31.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Open Rebellion? |
| 02:31.47 | Depherios | with the walkers actually making noise when they stomped |
| 02:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Ash1138 or whatever revived from the dead |
| 02:31.58 | Depherios | Really? Is it still being worked on? |
| 02:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | We snagged him, he finished it |
| 02:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It's up for download |
| 02:32.07 | Depherios | Dude... I require... a link... no |
| 02:32.08 | Depherios | now |
| 02:32.11 | ScytheBlade1 | openrebellion.smempire.ort |
| 02:32.25 | Depherios | .org I take it? |
| 02:32.26 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ort/org |
| 02:32.29 | Depherios | OMG SAME WEBPAGE EVEN |
| 02:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 02:33.03 | Depherios | have they still not found a way to change the UI graphics? D: |
| 02:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Hahaha |
| 02:33.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Long ago they did that |
| 02:34.11 | Depherios | I remembered always wanting to, as I disliked the terran bottom panel graphics... but they never found out how to |
| 02:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I like the terran better than anything else |
| 02:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | But yes - Open Rebellion is complete :) |
| 02:35.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Functional multiplayer |
| 02:35.06 | Depherios | heh, I disliked them, mostly, I think, just because they were the most like the old warcraft 1 and 2 gameplay... which I'd played FOREVAR |
| 02:35.17 | Depherios | how's it balanced? |
| 02:35.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I helped Ash out with the beta ;) |
| 02:35.24 | ScytheBlade1 | By hand, and pretty well |
| 02:35.32 | Depherios | aww cut out the third faction though? |
| 02:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Me and several others (Plorkyearn as you'd know him in here) assisted with the balance |
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| 02:36.03 | ScytheBlade1 | (only spelled right) |
| 02:36.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not perfect, but it's not horrible either |
| 02:36.30 | Depherios | heh |
| 02:36.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoring a single unit won't let you win |
| 02:37.11 | Depherios | can you still win not building the highest end tech? |
| 02:37.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't really test that, haha |
| 02:37.42 | Depherios | that's the prime reason I dislike most RTS games, unlike the Blizz ones, it's all about how far along the tech-tree you are, or how many you have, rather than how you use them XD |
| 02:37.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I wanted to see if I could build the Death Star or not |
| 02:37.53 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:39.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Downloading? :) |
| 02:39.19 | Natasem | night ya'll |
| 02:39.28 | Depherios | not yet, bookmarked... I'll have to find my SC CDs first XD |
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| 02:39.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol smooth |
| 02:39.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | Depherios: Well, I detest the Rush. It's like playing 1% of the real game each time. |
| 02:40.24 | Depherios | lol I don't rush... I just like the fact that in endgame... building your starter unit is still useful |
| 02:40.46 | Depherios | even after a 4 hour Big Game map... you're still making marines, and zerglings and such |
| 02:40.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well that's true, but saying major tech tree isn't useful... |
| 02:41.02 | Depherios | you haven't abandoned them for the later tech |
| 02:41.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | In SC there's the Carrier Rush... |
| 02:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | The end tech tree is incredibly useful |
| 02:41.39 | Depherios | heh, I often disregarded all air when I played Zerg... like... 1/4 of my games, I didn't get ANY I'd make tons of defilers instead |
| 02:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Carrier Rush |
| 02:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Science Vessel or Defiler > that |
| 02:41.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Also has Guardian and Guardian + Defiler Rush |
| 02:41.54 | Guillotine | you guys are making me want to go on wc3 rather than WoW right now... in fact I think I will |
| 02:41.59 | Guillotine | too bad my account is muted |
| 02:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, what for? |
| 02:42.10 | Guillotine | somebody somehow figured out the cd key and has been advertising from it |
| 02:42.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | ScytheBlade1: Defiler = BW though ;) |
| 02:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | No, defiler = SC |
| 02:42.24 | Depherios | defiler is SC |
| 02:42.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oh wait |
| 02:42.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | I meant Guardian + Devourer |
| 02:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 02:42.39 | Tain | Oh you know you can get in a good three or four full games ow WC3 before you even get through the login queue. |
| 02:42.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Tain |
| 02:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll have to try |
| 02:42.53 | Guillotine | probably true |
| 02:42.54 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:42.59 | Depherios | what server? |
| 02:43.00 | Tain | And then if you're going to join a BG queue... |
| 02:43.01 | Guillotine | not sure if my comp could handle both programs though |
| 02:43.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: That's it!!! If you have WC3, it should let you play it while waiting for the WoW queue |
| 02:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:43.10 | Guillotine | it should! |
| 02:43.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Or SC |
| 02:43.14 | Depherios | ROFL |
| 02:43.18 | Depherios | or diablo, or any of them |
| 02:43.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 02:43.21 | Tain | Mine does have a feature like that! |
| 02:43.23 | Guillotine | then it automatically switches when you get in the que |
| 02:43.28 | Guillotine | we so need to suggest that |
| 02:43.30 | Tain | If there's a login queue I go play City of villains instead! |
| 02:43.38 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:43.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, I meant with the other people waiting |
| 02:43.44 | Depherios | I have three computers on my desk XD |
| 02:43.48 | Depherios | oh lol yeah |
| 02:43.58 | Depherios | I'd so play bloodbath while waiting XD |
| 02:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Straight carriers typically = death to the one with the carriers |
| 02:44.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Didn't the old EQ have a chat box you could talk to other people waiting? |
| 02:44.14 | Depherios | I'd so suck at Starcraft now D: |
| 02:44.14 | Tain | No |
| 02:44.22 | Tain | There was a chatroom you could go into |
| 02:44.27 | Depherios | my APM would be god awful |
| 02:44.28 | Tain | But that was instead of going into the game. |
| 02:44.49 | Tain | It served no purpose but for people to bitch at GMs that where supposed to be there. |
| 02:44.55 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:44.57 | Guillotine | blizz seriously needs to implement SOMETHING while in the que |
| 02:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I think a global chatroom |
| 02:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Not just one-server |
| 02:45.12 | Guillotine | even if its just a scrolling of the credits. so you know who to hate |
| 02:45.13 | ScytheBlade1 | but one, you know |
| 02:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | COntinent |
| 02:45.19 | ScytheBlade1 | *Continent |
| 02:45.22 | Tain | Do like Tetris or something. The higher score you get, the faster you move up in the queue. |
| 02:45.26 | Depherios | lol, somebody mod the frameXML files while you still can to give us tetris while we wait XD |
| 02:45.32 | Depherios | ROFL @ TAIN |
| 02:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | GENIUS |
| 02:45.43 | Guillotine | Depherios: I actually tried. you can't modify frameXML stuff anymore |
| 02:45.44 | Depherios | That would totally pwn! |
| 02:45.51 | Fanook | ooo, i'd have like no queue time |
| 02:45.54 | Guillotine | not the stuff before you login at least |
| 02:45.54 | Depherios | ... yeah you can O_o until 1.10 anyway |
| 02:45.58 | Depherios | oh |
| 02:46.00 | Tain | Drop you into a stick figure fps battlefield |
| 02:46.02 | Guillotine | they disabled it |
| 02:46.04 | Depherios | you can mod graphics D: |
| 02:46.13 | Tain | Wouldn't take a lot of resources! |
| 02:46.13 | Depherios | I have the ESRB logo replaced XD |
| 02:46.16 | Depherios | on my login screen XD |
| 02:47.02 | Guillotine | dare I ask with what? |
| 02:47.14 | Tain | Make it so that every ten minutes you have to enter a code that shows up on the screen or else you get kicked out of the queue. |
| 02:47.31 | Depherios | well it was my logo, but now it's just blank |
| 02:47.43 | Depherios | that big white box looks ugly on that screen to me, lol |
| 02:47.46 | Tain | Oh wait that would just amuse me, not help anyone else. |
| 02:48.08 | Depherios | have a message that says to make a char on another server? XD |
| 02:48.32 | Depherios | We're sorry for the delay, but you just HAD to make your character on the FULL server didn't you? |
| 02:48.43 | Tain | Oh yeah, their new server choice selection is so good now. I still points you to servers with queues. |
| 02:48.49 | Depherios | lol yeah XD |
| 02:49.03 | Depherios | I warcraftrealms.com'ed my server choice, lol |
| 02:49.06 | Tain | Oh, I did read today that new chars creations wer locked out on some servers, anyone know if that's true? |
| 02:49.25 | Guillotine | ya, but its just so ppl don't flood them to see the Ahn Qiraj event |
| 02:49.26 | Depherios | no... it'd be interesting though... |
| 02:49.34 | Depherios | ahh |
| 02:49.37 | Guillotine | check WoW general forums. theres a sticky about it |
| 02:49.43 | Guillotine | itll be re-enabled after the event |
| 02:49.46 | Depherios | They need to do a server invite system like google's invite system |
| 02:50.05 | Depherios | so you can't get on a full server, unless you know somebody there |
| 02:50.10 | Guillotine | well, I joined MY server when it was low population... now it has a 300 que |
| 02:50.16 | Depherios | ouch D: |
| 02:50.18 | Guillotine | up to 700 |
| 02:50.33 | Depherios | if I logged on to a 700 queue, I'd make an alt on another server, lol |
| 02:50.42 | Depherios | but I'm a habitual alt creator... |
| 02:50.48 | Depherios | alt-itis or something |
| 02:51.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Parakie (n=profi@user-12hdr8d.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 02:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Depherios: which server? |
| 02:51.31 | Guillotine | eh. I've made every class and have them all above level 20. don't really want to start over |
| 02:51.34 | Depherios | now? Spinebreaker |
| 02:51.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | Instead of just making new servers, they should split some very heavy-pop servers if it's like this... |
| 02:52.05 | Guillotine | indeed |
| 02:52.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | People in Guilds could have the option to all stay together, or leave the Guild |
| 02:52.32 | Depherios | yeah |
| 02:52.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Or move as a guild |
| 02:52.47 | Depherios | yes |
| 02:53.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, guilds would choose a new server as a group automatically |
| 02:53.20 | Depherios | they should just say "if you have friends, make sure you get into a guild with them, you have a month to do it, so gogogo" |
| 02:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I play on Doomhammer |
| 02:54.00 | ScytheBlade1 | One of the original 10 beta servers |
| 02:54.16 | Iriel | Depherios : That's a rather naieve view on how guilds work |
| 02:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | and from what we know, another realm is also on the same box |
| 02:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm praying for them to upgrade hardware :P |
| 02:54.53 | Depherios | Iriel, I'm saying for people like me, who aren't in a guild, and who's friends are also unguilded, we'd need fair warning |
| 02:55.05 | Depherios | me, and most of my RL friends on my server, are still unguilded |
| 02:55.24 | Iriel | yeah, but for example, I have good friends on my server who are in other guilds than I am |
| 02:55.29 | Depherios | yeah |
| 02:56.03 | Depherios | oh, I know, but if you're going to split it, who's to say they won't do something like split rival guilds, or a big guilds little alt guild from the main guild |
| 02:56.27 | Depherios | .... a big guild's little guild, filled with alt chars of that guild, from the main guild... if that makes more sense |
| 02:56.37 | Depherios | me talk bad D: |
| 03:01.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, it might just be enough to automatically move people who don't meet a deadline...let's say 2 weeks |
| 03:01.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | Maybe 1 month with 1 month to move back |
| 03:01.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wait, that's a stupid idea, people who fit that criteria wouldn't be adding to the queue anyway |
| 03:04.08 | Depherios | they just say "look you're going to move, pick one of these two servers for each of your characters" I suppose :P |
| 03:04.38 | Depherios | and hope everybody doesn't pick the same one >_< bah |
| 03:06.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Maybe they should just do a population lock on full servers and allow any full server to lower-pop server transfer. I know the newbies will complain they can't play on the same server as big brother, but if big brother really complains, big brother can move to a lower pop server or play with an alt. |
| 03:06.40 | Depherios | Even just invites would help |
| 03:07.00 | Depherios | needing an invite to a full server, would make it so you'd need to know somebody, or go through the trouble of getting an invite code to get on that server |
| 03:07.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | True |
| 03:07.39 | Depherios | that would at least keep random people from picking a full server for dumb reasons like "it has a cool name" |
| 03:08.36 | AnduinLothar | anyone wanna write me an addon? |
| 03:08.55 | Depherios | I can help you test, not so good with the code though *cries* |
| 03:09.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | AnduinLothar: Does it need to use MFC and only compile on Visual Studio? |
| 03:09.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | Sorry, C++ and Windows joke for the Cosmos dev ;) |
| 03:09.57 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 03:11.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | < Reloaded:#java> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: HelloWorldApp/class <-- someone needs to buy a new book or actually READ it |
| 03:16.39 | Bela|WOW | remind me never to make a newbie tauren again |
| 03:16.51 | Bela|WOW | everyone in the channel thinks "Milk Me" is funny |
| 03:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:17.11 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:17.16 | Bela|WOW | I don't mind the first time |
| 03:17.23 | Bela|WOW | but its like a disease |
| 03:17.32 | Depherios | So long as they aren't talking about vin diesel or chuck norris, I'm happy |
| 03:17.35 | Depherios | or |
| 03:17.39 | Depherios | '"your mom" |
| 03:18.19 | Bela|WOW | actually |
| 03:18.26 | Bela|WOW | Chuck Norris came up twice already |
| 03:19.38 | Codayus | All the newbie zones are retarded I think. |
| 03:19.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobster (n=wob@221.221.16.83) |
| 03:20.14 | Depherios | I like the barrens chat... when they get off chuck norris, vin diesel, and my mother |
| 03:20.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, I have a friend who put, quote, "Oh, and Chuck Norris is my god, take that as you will" on a guild application (he's a rogue) |
| 03:20.29 | ScytheBlade1 | The rogue class leader posted, avatar of Chuch Norris, and said "good enough for me" |
| 03:20.37 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:20.47 | Codayus | Barrens chat is the worst I think. :-) |
| 03:21.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Bela|WOW: The best is still the milk-peddling Tauren and the gnome who buys it, saying "I like the taste of your body." (VGCats) |
| 03:21.14 | Depherios | yes XD |
| 03:21.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, that comic :D |
| 03:22.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That one owns, so hard |
| 03:22.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Today's Penny Arcade was good |
| 03:24.35 | Wobster | VGCats is sometimes so... truthful, it hurts =P |
| 03:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 03:24.48 | Wobster | And VGCats refuses to hold back, which I love |
| 03:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | And they cover ALL of their bases |
| 03:24.55 | Depherios | yes XD |
| 03:25.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Nearly every comic makes a shot at at least three things at once |
| 03:25.33 | Depherios | the only complaint I can ever voice against VGcats... is how little often they come out XD |
| 03:25.53 | Fanook | true, true |
| 03:26.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri_work (n=andrews@203-184-39-4.jetbuster.co.nz) |
| 03:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I really rather liked their Jack Thompson strip |
| 03:27.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That insulted about twelve things in a few thousand pixels, haha |
| 03:27.24 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:28.37 | Fanook | Heart! |
| 03:28.40 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 03:29.02 | Corrodias | heroes 5 intends to use starforce? |
| 03:29.33 | Corrodias | heroes 4 was much worse than 3, and if this is true, then the trend continues. |
| 03:29.47 | Depherios | *sigh* |
| 03:30.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I also liked the hobo |
| 03:30.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "GLASF IN MY TEEFH!" |
| 03:30.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | MOO2 is the bomb. MOO3 is a different type of bomb...a stink bomb. |
| 03:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 03:33.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | "He's my doctor." "He's a hobo!!" |
| 03:33.11 | Depherios | lol |
| 03:33.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "Is that a squirrel?" |
| 03:34.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | Anyone seen the WoW MacHall comics? |
| 03:34.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Scarlet Sentinel picks up a [Note]." The note reads: "I'm in ur base! I'm killin ur men!" |
| 03:35.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ... is it sad if I said "keke" out loud to that? |
| 03:35.04 | Fanook | yeah, i actually go to the same uni as those guys |
| 03:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 03:35.05 | Codayus | One of my favorite comics of all time. |
| 03:35.20 | Codayus | The tabard changing in that comic is an amusing touch. :-) |
| 03:35.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | ScytheBlade1: Only if you're not Korean ;) |
| 03:38.50 | Corrodias | all right, you bastards. |
| 03:39.06 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 03:39.43 | ScytheBlade1 | . |
| 03:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not korean ;) |
| 03:44.52 | Corrodias | lets see if i can replace my video card drivers. |
| 03:45.05 | Corrodias | wow crashed three times in a row on the steps in ZF. |
| 03:45.10 | Corrodias | i'm starting to get annoyed. |
| 03:45.18 | ScytheBlade1 | What card do you have? |
| 03:45.30 | Corrodias | geforce 4600 |
| 03:45.38 | Depherios | ouch D: |
| 03:45.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Better than an ATi |
| 03:45.51 | Depherios | true XD |
| 03:46.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I had a 9700 PRO |
| 03:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It died. |
| 03:46.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: Lemme take a look, export your dxdiag info to a file and pastebin.com it. |
| 03:46.04 | Corrodias | it works well, although i get some framerate losses in ZF |
| 03:46.06 | Corrodias | major ones |
| 03:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Know what picked up the slack? |
| 03:46.16 | Corrodias | mmm okay |
| 03:46.20 | ScytheBlade1 | A GF4 MX 440. aka a GF2 |
| 03:46.31 | SP|Sorren | my 9700 pro is going on like 4 years now ;P |
| 03:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That I bought years before |
| 03:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's still running fine |
| 03:46.49 | Depherios | I just replaced my 5200 with 6200 -- saving up for a 7800 :P |
| 03:47.01 | Depherios | which requires me to get a new mobo... |
| 03:47.15 | Depherios | so... |
| 03:47.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | I haven't crashed on my Dell 600m laptop with only a 32MB ATI Radeon 9800 Mobile, but it's my job to make sure computers don't crash ;) |
| 03:47.26 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm, AGP --> PCI-e transition |
| 03:47.37 | Depherios | yah |
| 03:47.38 | SP|Sorren | its for the best ;O |
| 03:47.43 | Depherios | yah |
| 03:47.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Depherios: SLI-enabled Board? |
| 03:47.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed |
| 03:47.49 | *** part/#wowi-lounge cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-59-51-225.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 03:47.50 | SP|Sorren | even if i can only wish i had monies to make teh transition ;P |
| 03:47.52 | Depherios | my GF just upgraded :F |
| 03:47.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I need PCI-e network cards :P |
| 03:48.18 | SP|Sorren | i should get a job, that'd help w/ money! |
| 03:48.23 | Depherios | has everything up to max, virtually no loadtime with even all MY addons running and antialiasing makes it so you can READ those giant red and green names over people's heads... |
| 03:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | With my PCI SATA RAID and my PCI gigabit NIC |
| 03:48.26 | Depherios | that's all I really care about |
| 03:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I max out my PCI bus more often than not |
| 03:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | And that only brings bbbaaaddd things |
| 03:48.39 | SP|Sorren | would pci SATA be faster than SATA directly onboard? |
| 03:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Not noticeably |
| 03:48.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | PCI-E network cards would be like liquid sex. The PCI Bus is a big bottleneck. Integrated NICs help a little, they're usually more efficient then running directly off the PCI Bus. |
| 03:49.02 | ScytheBlade1 | They have ONE PCI-e nic out there so far |
| 03:49.02 | Corrodias | http://pastebin.com/520127 |
| 03:49.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | SP|Sorren: No, the other way around |
| 03:49.05 | ScytheBlade1 | IT's $80 on newegg. |
| 03:49.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll pass. |
| 03:49.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | SP|Sorren: The PCI Bus is normally around 200MHz and must queue devices connected to it. Your HDD would be fighting with your Network and Sound card. |
| 03:49.57 | pagefault | Cairenn, nothing changes really |
| 03:50.03 | pagefault | this was a pointless election |
| 03:50.13 | SP|Sorren | ah, so onboard is much better then |
| 03:50.14 | Corrodias | well, there's my dxdiag output, anyway. i'm not sure what you're looking for. |
| 03:50.21 | SP|Sorren | who's winning? |
| 03:50.35 | Cairenn | PC |
| 03:50.38 | SP|Sorren | ./completely oblivious american |
| 03:50.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | SP|Sorren: Except onboard can also use the PCI Bus |
| 03:50.47 | Cairenn | Conservatives |
| 03:50.50 | SP|Sorren | ah |
| 03:51.06 | Cairenn | as expected (read: dreaded) |
| 03:51.15 | SP|Sorren | GenNMX|Thrae: eh O.o |
| 03:51.23 | SP|Sorren | will anything bad come out of it? |
| 03:51.29 | SP|Sorren | surely anyone you guys have will be better than bush |
| 03:51.46 | Cairenn | there's that :p |
| 03:51.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got three NICs, my SATA PCI RAID, and a 5.1 channel PCI sound card on the same PCI bus... two slots are 64-bit PCI, but that still doesn't help much. |
| 03:51.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: Run the DirectX tests just to be sure, always a good idea to do that when you're getting crashes |
| 03:52.05 | Fanook | '08's going to be an interesting election year down here |
| 03:52.10 | Corrodias | okay |
| 03:52.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: Driver Date is 1/10/2005, unless that's wrong, it's very old |
| 03:52.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Over a year is too long for a game like WoW |
| 03:53.32 | Corrodias | "too long"? |
| 03:53.44 | SP|Sorren | to not update drivers |
| 03:53.45 | SP|Sorren | i imagine |
| 03:53.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: If you're having any crashes, yes. |
| 03:53.59 | pagefault | I am glad the NDP doubled their seats |
| 03:54.00 | Fanook | yeesh, i'm using a driver from late 2004 |
| 03:54.00 | Corrodias | how is the driver version going to make that much of a difference? it's not like they've added new features to a 3 year old card |
| 03:54.08 | SP|Sorren | NDP? |
| 03:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | They fix bugs though |
| 03:54.16 | Fanook | New Democratic Party, i think |
| 03:54.26 | Corrodias | i understand that they're the first suspected point of failure. that's why i'm going to try something newer. uh.. what was it.. |
| 03:54.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Seriously, update |
| 03:54.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll make a world of difference |
| 03:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Back during the reign of the GF4 Ti series |
| 03:54.48 | Fanook | i have no idea where to find the drivers for this card |
| 03:54.51 | Cairenn | I could really wish the NDP would ever make an actual showing |
| 03:54.59 | Corrodias | i didn't notice a world of difference between the 44's and the 67's, man. it's just an old card. |
| 03:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ATi was actually better hardware-wise, but NV had 100x better driver quality |
| 03:55.22 | pagefault | if the liberals and NDP team up again |
| 03:55.28 | pagefault | they can defeat any bills the conservatives put out |
| 03:55.33 | Corrodias | i'm planning to try the 71.89's |
| 03:55.41 | Cairenn | yup, and here's hoping they do |
| 03:55.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: Drivers tell the operating system (or DirectX in this case) how to work with the video card. And it's almost never perfect. DirectX is not tailored to Nvidia or Ati, not to each type of video card. It has to make broad choices on how the video card will act, and the driver MUST give the correct responses, or the system can and will crash. |
| 03:56.11 | SP|Sorren | what do you guys think of .NET? |
| 03:56.17 | Cairenn | it's still going to be a rough ride for the next while =/ |
| 03:56.46 | Fanook | Sorren: I think C# is just C++ with new libraries |
| 03:57.33 | SP|Sorren | oh? |
| 03:57.43 | SP|Sorren | i was thinking of picking up a c# book 2morrow |
| 03:57.59 | Maldivia | zeeg ? |
| 03:58.02 | SP|Sorren | it looks interesting to play around w/ |
| 03:58.03 | Cairenn | I had been hoping that people were going to wake up at the last minute and go "oh, wait a sec ...", but they didn't =/ |
| 03:58.07 | Fanook | well, if you know C++, you'll have no problem with C#, it's just learning the new library calls |
| 03:58.24 | SP|Sorren | does it still use things like the STL, etc? |
| 03:58.48 | Fanook | um... *searches for his C# book* |
| 03:58.56 | SP|Sorren | and windows forms looks neat too |
| 03:59.13 | SP|Sorren | much cleaner than what i was peeking at before to write windowns stuff ;O |
| 03:59.16 | Fanook | yeah, they did simplify the gui creation a ton |
| 03:59.43 | Corrodias | sigh. i just hate changing drivers. |
| 03:59.59 | Corrodias | i'm always afraid that the next time i boot, i'm going to see that BSOD that ends it all |
| 04:00.13 | Corrodias | but then i tell myself to stup being a pussy |
| 04:00.18 | SP|Sorren | ^ |
| 04:00.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: That's why Windows XP has "Last KNown Good Configuration", it resets your drivers via System Restore |
| 04:00.50 | SP|Sorren | XPs been good to me, i like it |
| 04:00.57 | Corrodias | damn straight |
| 04:01.13 | SP|Sorren | i was highly distrustful of trying it after i tried windows ME from 98 |
| 04:01.15 | Fanook | Sorren: no more STL, but there're new classes to take over |
| 04:01.22 | SP|Sorren | ah, i see |
| 04:01.30 | Fanook | it's kinda like C++ and Java had a gimpy kid |
| 04:01.34 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 04:01.42 | Corrodias | among safe mode, last known good, and system restore, it's almost impossible to screw it up |
| 04:02.07 | SP|Sorren | you can still spill water on your computer, but thats not microsofts fault :) |
| 04:02.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: Except a virus which copies itself into system restore =/ |
| 04:02.14 | SP|Sorren | ^that too |
| 04:02.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Which is easy, it's just a hidden directory with copied files |
| 04:02.29 | Corrodias | some of the few things you can do wrong are: damage the filesystem, damage the bootloading files, and trash vital recovery portions of the registry |
| 04:02.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | Damage the bootloading files is easy to fix with a Windows XP CD: fixmbr and fixboot |
| 04:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I've always wanted to write a small app that just writes 0's randomly to the registry files on the disk |
| 04:02.57 | Corrodias | nobody has access to that folder. the only way you get an infection in there is if a restore point is made while you have an infection and then change something.. |
| 04:03.17 | SP|Sorren | remind me never to use anything by ScytheBlade1 :P |
| 04:03.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: No, the Administrator has access to the folder. It's just hidden. The Administrator has access to ALL folders. |
| 04:04.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | "The Administrator" != a user with administrator-level access, by the way |
| 04:04.29 | Corrodias | you are incorrect. by default, only SYSTEM has any permissions to the folder. an admin can still change the permissions, though |
| 04:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, yeah, I like laughing at people who say that if you reboot in safe mode, they can get into your computer period |
| 04:04.54 | Corrodias | but that's only if you install the OS on an NTFS drive. if it's FAT32, the permissions won't be set up. |
| 04:05.02 | ScytheBlade1 | "There's an admin user without a password!" "Here's my computer in safe mode, have fun" |
| 04:05.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: If the Administrator can change the permissions it's just like giving it the permissions to access the folder. To a virus, anyway. |
| 04:05.36 | Corrodias | hmm. that's a good point, indeed. i wonder if they can get in that way |
| 04:07.15 | SP|Sorren | when is vista due out? |
| 04:07.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Q3 06 |
| 04:07.39 | Tain | Been struggling trying to get Lua highlighting and launching external in Eclipse all night. |
| 04:08.07 | SP|Sorren | :O so its not far off |
| 04:08.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | What's so hot about Eclipse with Lua? I've been using gvim myself. |
| 04:09.19 | Tain | Didn't know there was anything hot about it. |
| 04:10.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | I mean, why would you use an IDE like Eclipse over a standard text editor like gvim? |
| 04:10.14 | Corrodias | wordpad. |
| 04:10.23 | Tem | because Eclipse is hot |
| 04:10.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | gvim has Lua highlighting (no setup required) and a LOT more functions then Worpad ;) |
| 04:10.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Lua and XML highlighting |
| 04:11.28 | Depherios | ... I just use the same tabbed notepad++ text editor I've used since before LUA, lol |
| 04:12.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | sed regexp is a useful tool. |
| 04:12.32 | Tain | I hope you and gvim are very happy together. |
| 04:13.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | We've already had children. We named them "ggvim". |
| 04:14.28 | Tain | I guess you can just call me a bit of a philanderer. I like to be friendly with a lot of different pals. |
| 04:16.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hey, you were the one saying you were having trouble with Eclipse. For a guy who likes things non-bloated with their addons, I thought you'd be interested in gvim ;) |
| 04:17.39 | Tem | Eclipse isn't bloated |
| 04:17.42 | Tem | it's featureful |
| 04:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a loaded statment if I've ever heard one |
| 04:18.09 | Tem | It also makes me say "Oooh! Shiny!" when I open it |
| 04:18.25 | Tem | but as it turns out lots of things make me say that |
| 04:18.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I say "Oooh! Shiny!" when I open my terminal.. |
| 04:18.43 | Tem | you, sir, are a sick man |
| 04:18.43 | Tain | There really can be a difference between bloated and full-featured. |
| 04:19.14 | ScytheBlade1 | So what's lua? |
| 04:19.19 | Tem | besides all of Eclipses features are modules |
| 04:19.27 | Tem | you don't want something, take it out |
| 04:19.50 | Tem | s/, t/? T/ |
| 04:20.44 | Tain | Anyway I was also testing out KDevelop. |
| 04:21.09 | ScytheBlade1 | KDevelop is hot. |
| 04:21.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | gvim has just as many features as Eclipse, you just need to know how to use them. |
| 04:21.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Sounds like an addon I'm found of ;) |
| 04:22.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, gvim + an open terminal + batch scripts/makefiles |
| 04:22.37 | Tain | Something that *vi* people and their descendants never seem to catch on to is that not everyone wants to use a modal editor. It's simply a different way of doin things that doesn't fit me. |
| 04:22.54 | Corrodias | time to write down these "driver cleaner" instructions |
| 04:23.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: I just find it ironic that you of all people are arguging this ;) |
| 04:24.14 | Tain | It's not so much arguing as wondering why you're questioning every one else's editing choices. |
| 04:24.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'm just teasing, I use gvim because I already do a lot of dev over ssh terminals, so I use vim a lot. To each his own. |
| 04:24.51 | Bela|WOW | it really doesn't matter what you use |
| 04:24.57 | Bela|WOW | it matters what you make |
| 04:27.39 | Fanook | holy hell, AQ is big |
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| 04:28.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ahh, I love LO:CI. Gorren's awkward charm is the best. |
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| 04:38.50 | Legorol | so did anyone get Eclipse and Lua to work together? |
| 04:39.00 | Legorol | when i tried, LuaEclipse never really worked well |
| 04:39.04 | Legorol | i couldn't compile/run the files |
| 04:40.10 | Maldivia | eclipse seems a bit overkill for lua development... |
| 04:43.35 | Maldivia | hmm, 1.9.3 tomorrow? |
| 04:45.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | "OMG OMG OMG 1.9.3 tommorrow!!! SHAMANS WILL FINALLY BE FIXED!!!" ... "1.9.3 Patch Notes: Fixed a typo on a Westfall Sign." |
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| 04:47.19 | Maldivia | GenNMX: well, was hoping for a fix to reputation and some of the Unit functions :) |
| 04:48.21 | Wobster | argh |
| 04:48.29 | Maldivia | Depherios: now what's wrong with itemization? |
| 04:48.29 | Wobster | downtime tonight =( |
| 04:48.37 | Codayus | I want the human epic mounts reverted to the old models. |
| 04:52.34 | Depherios | I play a priest? |
| 04:52.37 | Depherios | that's what's wrong |
| 04:52.39 | Depherios | lol |
| 04:54.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Depherios: a Priest's itemization beats a Druid's anyday |
| 04:54.24 | Depherios | hmm.... I'll take it |
| 04:54.31 | Depherios | lol |
| 04:54.46 | Codayus | As a pve priest, I haven't run into any serious itemization issues. What's your primary concern? |
| 04:55.00 | Depherios | PvP |
| 04:55.01 | Depherios | lol |
| 04:55.14 | Codayus | Ah. Pft. learn2healbot. :-P |
| 04:55.48 | Codayus | (I'm kidding, really. But since I don't pvp on my priest, I have nothing more useful to say.) |
| 04:55.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Depherios: The wands you can get end-game are seriously powerful. You can pump yourself up with a LOT of +Shadow damage. While Druids don't have much to enhance their Feral forms nearly as much as any Melee or Caster classes can, and our sets are all geared towards Healing. |
| 04:56.12 | Depherios | yeah, but +damage on priests is mostly cut in half |
| 04:56.20 | Tain | That's more a function of the Druid class being so varied. |
| 04:56.33 | Corrodias | hmm. guess i've put this off long enough. *creates a restore point and gets started.* |
| 04:57.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Our melee damage not being scalable when everyone else can isn't intended, but they haven't figured out a way to fix it. |
| 04:57.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Melee damage is different then spell damage, it's much easier to keep spell damage decent without letting it be very scalable. |
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| 04:58.02 | Codayus | GenNMX|Thrae: there's something to that. Feral druids have long been seriously ignored in terms of itemization. |
| 04:58.05 | Tain | It's still difficult to keep a "balance" with Druids. Put too much emphasis on one thing, say top-notch feral loot, and the druids who do more healing will be screwed. |
| 04:58.22 | Codayus | OTOH, druids are pretty powerful just at the moment... |
| 04:58.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: All of our sets already address almost soley healing, so the balance has already been lost. |
| 04:59.00 | Tain | Druids more than any other class, in my opinion, are more like mulitple classes in one. |
| 04:59.18 | Tain | And very different classes. Not just shades of it. |
| 04:59.23 | Iriel | Well, they're the only class that IS multiple classes in one |
| 04:59.51 | Codayus | I'd say feral druids are in much the same boat casters were in (and to some extent, still are) before Bliz started handing out +dmg items like candy. |
| 04:59.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, Druids are the most versatile. Which is exactly why I think their gear choices should be the most versatile too. Being forced to carry different gear sets should be like soul shards for Warlocks. But some Druids say "it just isn't worth it". I do it because I want to get the most out of my Druid. |
| 05:00.09 | Depherios | I have 20 peices of EQ on my priest right now |
| 05:00.16 | Depherios | to do BGs |
| 05:00.23 | Corrodias | new restore point created. woo hoo. |
| 05:00.26 | Depherios | I swap around depending on what BG I get into, or what I'm doing |
| 05:00.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | Depherios: Yeah, I had more then that on my Druid |
| 05:00.45 | AnduinLothar | tem, iriel. looks like the texture object is only made for defaults if you give it a name |
| 05:01.00 | Tain | eh I say the heck with the tree-hugging hippies. |
| 05:01.05 | Depherios | GenNMX|Thrae I'm only level 46 XD |
| 05:01.15 | Iriel | I saw that, I suspect he means the 'lua-accessible' object |
| 05:01.19 | Tain | Give druids all gear with, "Scent of Patchouli" and be done with it. |
| 05:01.20 | Codayus | Druids I know tend to carry around a feral dmg set, a feral tanking set, and a healing set - just for pve. At a minimum. :-) |
| 05:02.06 | Codayus | Maybe bliz will add a "extra gear bag" for druids to go with the soul shard bag 'locks got? :-P |
| 05:02.09 | AnduinLothar | well, by his previous mention that it doesn't exist i would say the lua object doesn't exist, right |
| 05:02.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Depherios: Level 49 Druid on Malganis |
| 05:02.51 | Corrodias | i've got my cat set, my alternate 2 items for vs beasts, the alternate item for bear form, and a whole other set for healing |
| 05:02.53 | Iriel | Yes, which is consistent with the rest of the UI, unnamed things dont get created (Frames being an exception in 1.10) |
| 05:03.06 | AnduinLothar | good stuff |
| 05:03.48 | Corrodias | AND NOW TO FUCK WITH DRIVERS :( wish me luck, please |
| 05:05.55 | Codayus | I've seena few items around with +AP that only applies in cat form. It'd be interesting to see that sort of stat a lot more widely... |
| 05:06.45 | Codayus | And a lot earlier. IIRC, the current items are post-MC epics. Not very helpful for most druids... |
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| 05:40.25 | Corrodias | well. there. i'm running 71.89 dhzer0point config now. we'll see if it does any better in ZF. |
| 05:44.49 | Tem | sweet 0.2 fps! |
| 05:53.12 | Corrodias | i'm getting a fine framerate, thanks :P |
| 05:56.02 | AnduinLothar | pretty? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Notation_and_Conventions |
| 05:58.18 | Wobster | Wow. I <3 Catform |
| 05:58.22 | Wobster | No downtime... |
| 05:59.56 | pagefault | hahaha |
| 06:00.01 | pagefault | what an awful pally |
| 06:00.01 | pagefault | he used vindication on me |
| 06:01.00 | AnduinLothar | vindication is auto |
| 06:01.12 | AnduinLothar | it's a tallent that auto casts |
| 06:01.42 | AnduinLothar | chance to cast on successful melee attack |
| 06:02.05 | pagefault | it's not very smart |
| 06:02.12 | pagefault | it shouldn't be putting it on casters |
| 06:02.29 | AnduinLothar | why not, lowers your damage reduction |
| 06:02.46 | pagefault | it says it lowers agility and stength |
| 06:02.48 | pagefault | I use neither |
| 06:02.59 | AnduinLothar | str increases damage reduction |
| 06:03.10 | pagefault | not magic damage |
| 06:03.16 | AnduinLothar | he's a pally |
| 06:03.33 | AnduinLothar | only half his damage is magic and it's all holy |
| 06:03.45 | pagefault | yeah but what is the point of casting it on me |
| 06:03.56 | AnduinLothar | it's a freaking autocast |
| 06:04.24 | AnduinLothar | it casts in gnomeregen too and gets reflected back on you |
| 06:05.01 | Wobster | hehe |
| 06:05.12 | Wobster | I hateses the Arcane Nullifiers my preciousss |
| 06:05.37 | Wobster | The only thing worthwhile out of those things is fused wiring =P |
| 06:26.58 | AnduinLothar | How do you guys like this. any better? http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 06:28.04 | AnduinLothar | iriel, legorol.. |
| 06:30.24 | Iriel | I'd bold the please follow the standards and conventions line |
| 06:31.30 | AnduinLothar | makes sense since i removed the catigory. tho i suspect it'd be hard not to with a thousand functions using that format.. |
| 06:32.19 | AnduinLothar | bah, those headers are annoying.. |
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| 06:45.24 | Corrodias | my wow was pretty jerky fo a while with the new drivers, but then i realized i had firefox open and it often does stuff like that. i closed it and it seems to be about normally smooth, now... |
| 06:48.25 | Corrodias | i can't make another ZF run tonight, though. time to sleep, i have class tomorrow! good night |
| 06:50.28 | AnduinLothar | How's this iriel: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 06:51.45 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : What's different? |
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| 06:52.28 | AnduinLothar | :) bold + Editing Notes + Usage Notes + i removed a header and put it in the editing part |
| 06:52.41 | krka | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=World_of_Warcraft_API&diff=0&oldid=68133 |
| 06:53.07 | AnduinLothar | heh, gj krka |
| 06:56.44 | Iriel | Ah, I needed to reload again.. \ |
| 06:56.51 | AnduinLothar | :P |
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| 06:58.30 | Iriel | sleep time |
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| 08:07.47 | krka|work | weird topic |
| 08:08.15 | Cairenn|sleep | not my fault, this time |
| 08:14.48 | krka|work | whoa.... this thing changes map zoom EVERY time it needs to update its coords. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=305449&p=1&tmp=1#post305449 |
| 08:14.56 | krka|work | i need to update MapLibrary for 1.9 |
| 08:17.14 | krka|work | from Speedometer: http://wow.pastebin.com/520281 |
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| 08:25.38 | Tem | Why don't you take out the too big warning? |
| 08:26.14 | Tem | oh wo |
| 08:26.22 | Tem | s/wo/wow/ |
| 08:26.23 | Tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkG1KQFfNk0 |
| 08:27.31 | Tem | good times... |
| 08:28.09 | Tem | I hope I don't have skid-marks on my soul... |
| 08:46.23 | Depherios | oh...my |
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| 09:33.51 | pagefault | people don't like my warlock build |
| 09:33.54 | pagefault | they say it sucks |
| 09:33.59 | pagefault | but then I kick their ass in a duel |
| 09:34.04 | pagefault | and they change their mind |
| 09:34.08 | pagefault | why are people silly |
| 09:34.18 | pagefault | I think you should spec to whatever you can play best |
| 09:39.05 | Codayus | To take the position of devil's advocate... Performance in a duel isn't always a very good indicator of performance in pve or group pvp. |
| 09:39.52 | Kalroth | duels <> pve <> group pvp |
| 09:39.59 | Codayus | On the other hand, it's hard to spec a warlock BADLY in my experience. They have so many great talents, it's hard to go wrong. A bit like rogues, except one of the 31 point rogue talents is retarded... |
| 09:40.48 | Codayus | Out of curiosity, what IS your spec, pagefault? |
| 09:41.08 | pagefault | 0/31/20 |
| 09:41.14 | pagefault | don't laugh |
| 09:41.16 | pagefault | it works well |
| 09:41.51 | pagefault | soul link is the most overpowered talent in the game |
| 09:41.59 | pagefault | and I will ride it out until they nerf it |
| 09:42.00 | pagefault | :) |
| 09:42.13 | Codayus | Hmm, not my style. But I wouldn't laugh. |
| 09:42.28 | pagefault | I relise you lose instant corruption |
| 09:42.38 | pagefault | but the reason I dropped it was because I was tired of cleansebots just removeing the buff |
| 09:42.45 | pagefault | so I put the points somewhere else |
| 09:42.52 | Codayus | I'd be more worried about the loss of the +shadow damage stuff in affliction. |
| 09:42.59 | pagefault | well |
| 09:43.02 | pagefault | with succubus and soul link |
| 09:43.08 | pagefault | I get 13% |
| 09:43.14 | pagefault | which is close to the 15% you get there |
| 09:43.20 | Codayus | And you can have a blast with instacasting rank 1 corruiption in some circumstances. After the recent cleanse nerfs, that drains mana really well! |
| 09:43.24 | pagefault | plus it's added after +dmg gear |
| 09:43.26 | pagefault | not before |
| 09:44.00 | Codayus | *nod* The master demonoly stuff is just wicked. And you still get ruin, which is always fun. No instacast shadowbolts, but... <shrug> |
| 09:44.02 | pagefault | plus you get the bonus on fire and shadows |
| 09:44.05 | pagefault | not just shadows |
| 09:44.38 | pagefault | I am a really bad succubus whore in pvp |
| 09:44.50 | pagefault | if I manage to seduce someone, they are not going anywhere |
| 09:44.58 | pagefault | I keep them locked there until they are dead |
| 09:45.34 | Codayus | A good friend of mine is 31/10/11 or something random like that. Not one the standard builds, but it works well enough, and she likes having a walking mana battery following her around. |
| 09:45.44 | Codayus | Er... 31/10/10, even. |
| 09:45.50 | pagefault | but a lot of warlocks complain SL doesn't give you enough DPS, that is true |
| 09:45.54 | pagefault | but you survive so much longer |
| 09:46.39 | pagefault | yeah now that I have a lot of decent +dmg gear |
| 09:46.46 | pagefault | I am interested into looking into afflic again |
| 09:46.58 | pagefault | I used to use it when I was pve |
| 09:47.53 | pagefault | i've never done a conflag build |
| 09:47.54 | Codayus | Her argument is that while her DPS is lower, she can keep casting much longer than other builds. She's right, and it works well for her. <shrug> Who am I to argue? :-P |
| 09:48.14 | pagefault | in whatever build I use |
| 09:48.19 | pagefault | I cannot give up shadowburn |
| 09:48.25 | pagefault | best talent a warlock can have |
| 09:49.11 | pagefault | shadowburn is == win against rogue |
| 09:49.27 | pagefault | but I have a lot of hard times with warriors |
| 09:49.37 | pagefault | thats where an affliction build would kick their ass |
| 09:50.52 | pagefault | I am talking too much |
| 09:51.52 | Codayus | Heh |
| 09:52.32 | pagefault | I am just glad I didn't give up on my warloc |
| 09:52.39 | pagefault | we were so awful at pvp in the early days |
| 09:52.44 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 09:53.12 | pagefault | easy to get into guilds on my server |
| 09:53.18 | pagefault | there are less warlocks than priests I think |
| 09:54.16 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 09:54.23 | Codayus | My guild has a total of two at the moment. |
| 09:54.36 | Codayus | And one hunter, which is a puzzling anomoly. |
| 09:54.51 | pagefault | hehe |
| 09:55.03 | pagefault | I still haven't found a weakness in a BW hunter |
| 09:55.10 | pagefault | they are hard |
| 09:55.27 | Codayus | And vast numbers of prot warriors, paladins and druids. And a fair number of priests. |
| 09:55.53 | pagefault | are you playing horde? |
| 09:55.58 | pagefault | oh wait |
| 09:56.00 | pagefault | nevermind |
| 09:56.00 | Codayus | But...1 hunter. Who usualy plays his main, a prot specced warrior - leaving us with 0 hunters a lot of the time. It's very distressing. |
| 09:56.01 | pagefault | pallies :) |
| 09:56.06 | Codayus | :-P |
| 09:56.23 | pagefault | I think pally's got the shaft |
| 09:56.28 | pagefault | they seem no different to kill since 1.9 |
| 09:56.29 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 09:56.53 | Codayus | Untrue! You can easily tell the difference. They run out of mana faster now! |
| 09:56.58 | pagefault | haha |
| 09:57.02 | pagefault | well I mean I kill them so easily |
| 09:57.05 | pagefault | so I don't notice |
| 09:57.41 | pagefault | I wish they would make the talant remove dmg for every talant they go into healing |
| 09:57.47 | Codayus | 1.10 is the priest review. I just hope it's like the hunter review, not the pally review. |
| 09:57.56 | pagefault | so you could spec the pally properly |
| 09:58.00 | pagefault | you can be a high DPS warrior |
| 09:58.02 | krka|work | i think there used to be lots of hunters but they quit when they couldn't get groups |
| 09:58.04 | pagefault | but you can't heal worth crap |
| 09:58.06 | pagefault | that would be fair |
| 09:58.10 | krka|work | (or rerolled) |
| 09:58.24 | krka|work | warriors and priests is much more wanted |
| 09:58.36 | Codayus | Heh, when my brother and I started playing, we rolled a hunter and a rogue. Why not? We liked the concepts. Got to 60...and found you couldn't get groups. At all. Ever. |
| 09:58.50 | Codayus | So, we rerolled a warrior and a priest. |
| 09:58.52 | pagefault | haha |
| 09:58.54 | pagefault | that sucks |
| 09:59.10 | pagefault | I only went warlock because I saw I could summon demons |
| 09:59.23 | pagefault | I wanted a cool looking pet and hunter wasn't the way |
| 09:59.27 | pagefault | plus one was a succubus |
| 09:59.32 | pagefault | boobies! |
| 10:00.09 | Codayus | Got to 60...and now we've got about as many protection specced warriors as any three other classes...combined. Priests aren't quite as common, but we'd still be better if we could trade a couple for mages and locks... |
| 10:00.34 | pagefault | I played a warrior for a while, it's pretty fun you have almost no downtime |
| 10:00.41 | pagefault | but it seems to get lot repetitive |
| 10:00.47 | krka|work | hunter is literally no downtime :P |
| 10:00.52 | krka|work | mage is massive downtime |
| 10:00.53 | krka|work | :/ |
| 10:01.01 | pagefault | same with warlock |
| 10:01.06 | pagefault | I am downtime as soon as I res |
| 10:01.06 | Codayus | (Signs you may have a surplus of priests: Your in MC, one of your druids is tanking a core hound, and two of the shadow priests are DPSing...) |
| 10:01.16 | pagefault | 1500 mana buff ftw |
| 10:01.22 | pagefault | summon pet 800 mana |
| 10:01.31 | pagefault | I am out of mana |
| 10:01.36 | Codayus | Mind you, feral druids can tank core hounds really well. See? MC runs can be educational! |
| 10:02.06 | krka|work | (i only played mage and hunter past 30) |
| 10:02.14 | pagefault | I want to start a druel |
| 10:02.19 | pagefault | but I would go with whatever can eat |
| 10:02.27 | pagefault | err heal |
| 10:03.19 | pagefault | I still don't know gnomes can be warlocks |
| 10:03.24 | pagefault | but oh well |
| 10:03.41 | krka|work | gnomes can be warlocks yes |
| 10:03.51 | Codayus | I'm working on a hunter. The zero downtime is fun. I just hit 48...it'll probably take me a while to finish hitting 60 though. :-) |
| 10:03.56 | pagefault | yeah I just wonder why :) |
| 10:04.20 | Codayus | Seems more like a human/elvish thing. |
| 10:04.37 | pagefault | the way I try to go about hunters if I am not being ganked is send the succubus over to the hunter to entertain him for a while while I fear off his pet |
| 10:04.44 | pagefault | then I soulfire the hunter and reseduce |
| 10:04.52 | pagefault | and shadowbolt him a few times |
| 10:05.02 | pagefault | then he is pretty much finished |
| 10:05.42 | pagefault | not sure if it's an exploit but I can change curses on players without breaking seduction |
| 10:06.38 | pagefault | anyway enough about my class |
| 10:06.57 | pagefault | anyway enough about my class |
| 10:07.08 | pagefault | anyone enough about my class |
| 10:07.10 | pagefault | ok |
| 10:07.16 | pagefault | my keyboard is screwed |
| 10:07.24 | pagefault | disgregard those |
| 10:08.22 | Codayus | :-) |
| 10:08.37 | pagefault | I need sleep |
| 10:08.42 | pagefault | I don't want to sleep in long |
| 10:08.46 | pagefault | I guess I need an alarm |
| 10:15.36 | krka|work | do you have a position on the world map when inside a battleground? |
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| 10:31.19 | Vallerius | yep |
| 10:31.23 | AnduinLothar | Interesting read in case you missed it on slash dot this morning: http://www.paulgraham.com/love.html |
| 10:31.54 | AnduinLothar | which bring up an interesting point in my ongoing self assessment |
| 10:33.08 | AnduinLothar | That I've been programming unpaid in my spare time since junior high, >8 years |
| 10:33.58 | AnduinLothar | and I've been continually told that my addiction to the computer was wasting my time |
| 10:34.58 | AnduinLothar | And he says "The test of whether people love what they do is whether they'd do it even if they weren't paid for it-- even if they had to work at another job to make a living." Which I've done. |
| 10:35.19 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:35.50 | AnduinLothar | and here i was thinking that i wasn't sure what I wanted to do for a living.. |
| 10:36.31 | krka|work | 2long didnt read |
| 10:36.46 | AnduinLothar | you, my friend. have failed. |
| 10:36.59 | AnduinLothar | it's a good read. tho it's not very funny |
| 10:37.02 | krka|work | wow... i've been coding for 10 years, almost half my life O_o |
| 10:37.14 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 10:37.28 | Codayus | ...I'm sure I read that article a year or two ago. |
| 10:37.48 | AnduinLothar | possibly, when was it published |
| 10:37.55 | AnduinLothar | doesn't sound very new |
| 10:38.05 | Codayus | The date at the top of that page says Jan 2006. |
| 10:38.14 | Vallerius | krka|work: eep. now that i think about it, me too. kind of a scary thought. |
| 10:38.14 | AnduinLothar | almost sounds like a paraphrase of something c.s. luis would have written |
| 10:38.33 | krka|work | cs lewis? |
| 10:39.03 | AnduinLothar | mostly fiction, but he does write excelent inspirational books too |
| 10:40.09 | krka|work | i thought he was dead |
| 10:40.15 | AnduinLothar | lol, he is |
| 10:40.36 | AnduinLothar | 'does' being historial present tense |
| 10:40.56 | AnduinLothar | maybe that only works in latin.. |
| 10:41.42 | krka|work | or maybe my english comprehension doesn't include historical present tense :) |
| 10:43.54 | Vallerius | alas, english only has present and non-present tenses |
| 10:44.38 | AnduinLothar | right well historical present looks the same as normal present in most languages that have it |
| 10:45.03 | AnduinLothar | it's the material that determines when it happened |
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| 10:47.01 | AnduinLothar | in the year 1730, king charles goes fishing. While he is fishing he finds a snake, gliding along the river, or rather, the snake found him. He still carries the scar to prove it. |
| 10:47.25 | AnduinLothar | there's two different time periods, both in present |
| 10:47.51 | AnduinLothar | the snake finds* |
| 10:47.57 | AnduinLothar | anyway |
| 10:48.08 | AnduinLothar | it's not in frequent use by most historians |
| 10:48.16 | AnduinLothar | people tend to complain about it |
| 10:49.13 | AnduinLothar | Epic poems are often written in historical present, however |
| 10:51.28 | krka|work | what about uncommon and rare poems? |
| 10:51.54 | AnduinLothar | uh huh |
| 11:02.11 | krka|work | why do some people insist that blizzard owns the addons that I write? |
| 11:17.18 | Codayus | Flouride in the drinking water. |
| 11:17.20 | Codayus | Trust me. |
| 11:18.44 | krka|work | o rly? |
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| 11:32.15 | sarf|stuff | There we go! |
| 11:32.44 | sarf|stuff | Anyone know what Frame is shown when the "loading bar" for, say, an instance, appears? |
| 11:34.54 | sarf|stuff | Aha, it's GlueXML :/ |
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| 11:40.01 | sarf|stuff | Sarf's Tip of the Day (first of many) : Insert your *own* mp3 at Sound\\Music\\GlueScreenMusic\\wow_main_theme.mp3 to get rid of the same, annoying muzak you've heard so often in your "Server Queue" |
| 11:40.57 | sarf|stuff | For the Tauren player, there can only be one song - "Dennis Leary- cows with guns.mp3" |
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| 11:46.36 | pagefault | it sucks I got put in this guild and none of the leades are around |
| 11:46.52 | pagefault | I bought a domain |
| 11:46.55 | pagefault | and put it on my server |
| 11:47.01 | pagefault | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.54 | sarf|stuff | sad to hear it :/ |
| 11:50.02 | sarf|stuff | got to go, bus going in a few mins :( |
| 12:01.03 | Wobster | I love Cows with Guns |
| 12:04.33 | Kalroth_ | sarf|stuff: "Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass - Spanish Flea" is the best for server queue! |
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| 13:54.35 | krka|work | hmm... is it possible to change target to a party member and cast a buff on the same click? |
| 13:55.49 | Wobster | with a script on the click mebbe? |
| 13:57.30 | krka|work | yes |
| 14:02.40 | Beladona | entirely possible |
| 14:04.00 | krka|work | because I think read somewhere that TargetUnit isn't instant |
| 14:04.30 | krka|work | TargetUnit("party1") CastSpell(....) TargetLastUnit() would work then? |
| 14:04.44 | Wobster | ..global cooldown? |
| 14:04.51 | Wobster | I wouldn't be able to say for sure |
| 14:04.55 | Wobster | Not without testing =) |
| 14:04.59 | krka|work | no, targetting does not affect global cooldown |
| 14:05.15 | Wobster | I'd expect targetting to be instant... |
| 14:05.35 | krka|work | well, it's sent to the server as well |
| 14:05.57 | krka|work | does it actually change before I get a response from the server? |
| 14:06.02 | Wobster | true, but so is the castspell |
| 14:06.12 | krka|work | yeah |
| 14:06.16 | Wobster | it has to check whether the target is valid |
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| 14:06.40 | krka|work | true |
| 14:07.16 | krka|work | i suppose i could just use SpellTargetUnit() in case it awaits a target |
| 14:07.37 | krka|work | but then i couldn't buff party2 if party1 was selecte |
| 14:10.53 | Kalroth_ | hi Cairenn! |
| 14:11.28 | Beladona | other people use target->cast scripts, so I am fairly sure it works. As to the timing, you could do a simple check to insure that you have the target before you cast |
| 14:11.52 | krka|work | i suppose so |
| 14:15.39 | Beladona | how are you handling getting the name of the target into the script |
| 14:15.58 | Beladona | gonna have people use a keyword and get their name into a lua table? |
| 14:17.04 | krka|work | huh? |
| 14:17.07 | krka|work | name of the target+ |
| 14:17.58 | Elkano | omg... always thouhgt you need two keys for a rogue... well: http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3158 :/ |
| 14:19.21 | Beladona | krka|work: I was just saying, because you want a one click target+cast macro, and you have to know what target to get when you click it. I have seen mods do that before, including one that people would say "I need blahblahblah" and your script adds them to a spell queue. You hit the button and it targets and casts on the next person in the queue |
| 14:20.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | krka|work: What's this for? |
| 14:20.05 | krka|work | GRAB |
| 14:20.12 | krka|work | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4524 |
| 14:20.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | Elkano: Someone should show that to slouken...he's not going to be happy =/ |
| 14:21.19 | krka|work | why not? |
| 14:21.38 | Beladona | its been done for a long time |
| 14:21.44 | Beladona | and it isn't something they don't like |
| 14:21.52 | Beladona | I would be willing to bet some dev use it |
| 14:22.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, but spamming one key for a class...ouch |
| 14:22.59 | Beladona | how is it any different from things like Discord AB? |
| 14:23.05 | krka|work | or flexbar |
| 14:23.07 | krka|work | or GRAB :P |
| 14:23.08 | Beladona | those buttons can be reactive |
| 14:23.20 | Wobster | Or Visor |
| 14:23.24 | Corrodias | they should be proactive. do things before the user tells them to. |
| 14:23.45 | Beladona | that would require clicking without a hardware event, and that isn't possible |
| 14:24.05 | Corrodias | aaaw |
| 14:24.10 | Wobster | It's a 'switch button focus on event'? |
| 14:24.13 | Beladona | for good reason |
| 14:24.22 | Corrodias | so, you went with GRAB instead of my suggestion, SCAB |
| 14:24.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | They could at least be proactive enough to tell the user "Learn2play", Beladona |
| 14:24.28 | krka|work | yeah |
| 14:24.30 | Beladona | yeah, read the example krka has in his addon |
| 14:24.33 | Corrodias | too crusty for ya? |
| 14:24.51 | Beladona | GenMX, I have years of game xp and I would use something like that |
| 14:24.52 | krka|work | whoa, someone actually read what I wrote? |
| 14:25.04 | Beladona | hell, it is a feature built into the base ui |
| 14:25.14 | Beladona | as a warrior, if you change stances |
| 14:25.20 | Beladona | your buttons change |
| 14:25.26 | Beladona | same principle |
| 14:25.28 | krka|work | yup |
| 14:25.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: I wasn't talking about GRAB, I was just making a bad joke ;) |
| 14:25.38 | Beladona | I know |
| 14:26.22 | Beladona | now someone should make an addon that watches for stupid behavior, and responds with "get a life noob" |
| 14:26.23 | krka|work | semi-automation is the future, imo |
| 14:26.36 | krka|work | if something is trivial, then it's meant for a computer to d |
| 14:26.39 | Kalroth_ | Can you make addons gor GRAB? I want to make an addon named YOUR and then I'm going to bet $10 on a certain name for the third addon :P |
| 14:26.45 | Kalroth_ | for, even |
| 14:26.52 | Beladona | 1.9.3 out today? |
| 14:27.01 | Wobster | MyCRotch |
| 14:27.16 | Kalroth_ | Beladona: I don't think so, I haven't heard anyone mention it |
| 14:27.16 | Beladona | wish they would put 1.10 on test already, I have a huge addon that needs testing |
| 14:27.25 | Wobster | I heard about it |
| 14:27.29 | Wobster | Don't know if it's valid or not |
| 14:27.53 | Wobster | Any link to the 1.10 changes? |
| 14:27.56 | krka|work | no, grab isn't really made for other addons |
| 14:28.11 | Beladona | Wobster, front page of wowinterface.com |
| 14:28.19 | krka|work | 1.10 is the one where we can scrap XML right? |
| 14:28.23 | Beladona | dynamic frame / texture creation |
| 14:28.28 | Beladona | among other things |
| 14:28.50 | Wobster | Lovely |
| 14:28.55 | Wobster | Ta Bel =) |
| 14:28.58 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 14:29.03 | Beladona | I have an addon almost ready that allows you to make a simple template in lua, and the addon will allow the user to click a dropdown box for "themes" |
| 14:29.09 | Corrodias | you know, "nottrackingminerals" and "nottrackingherbs" can both be true |
| 14:29.14 | Corrodias | what does your action button do in that case? |
| 14:29.22 | krka|work | the first one |
| 14:29.30 | Kalroth_ | what about nottrackingtreasures?! |
| 14:29.39 | krka|work | my character is not a dwarf :P |
| 14:29.47 | Kalroth_ | :( |
| 14:29.50 | Wobster | nottrackingbeasts |
| 14:29.59 | Corrodias | you made a global function "add"? |
| 14:30.00 | krka|work | hmm... dwarf hunter with mining/herb must be a pain |
| 14:30.03 | krka|work | no, it's local |
| 14:30.10 | krka|work | fear not! |
| 14:30.14 | Beladona | if it works as I intend, people like Tom King can make his stuff without replacing data files |
| 14:30.15 | Corrodias | then how is a user going to access it.. |
| 14:30.22 | Beladona | just make a template |
| 14:30.27 | krka|work | you'd see if you looked at the code :P |
| 14:30.44 | krka|work | the settings are done inside Settings.lua |
| 14:30.47 | krka|work | (where add is defined) |
| 14:30.49 | Corrodias | eh, all right, that's why it's alpha |
| 14:30.55 | krka|work | yes |
| 14:31.14 | krka|work | and because I really really suck at making GUI stuff |
| 14:32.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | krka|work: Hmm, I have a suggestion with respect to GRAB. Instead of using OnUpdate and showing/hiding buttons, OnClick() could reference a function which checks the conditions and casts the Spell, Macro, or uses the Item which fits the condition. |
| 14:32.39 | krka|work | well, OnUpdate is really only necessary if you want it to be visible |
| 14:32.55 | krka|work | you could hide it and just use key bindings, it would still work |
| 14:33.04 | krka|work | not that I have made a good way to hide it yet :9 |
| 14:33.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ahhh, so all OnUpdate is doing is changing textures. |
| 14:33.54 | krka|work | yes |
| 14:34.01 | krka|work | well, not _all_ |
| 14:34.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, checking the same conditions and changing textures. |
| 14:34.27 | krka|work | figures out which buttons to show, and updates textures, mana costs, cooldowns, et.c. |
| 14:34.31 | krka|work | yeah |
| 14:34.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right |
| 14:34.56 | krka|work | could be made somewhat more efficient by not updating a button if it hasn't changed |
| 14:35.05 | krka|work | but it's already very fast |
| 14:35.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Is there a way to disable the OnUpdate functionality for sticklers? |
| 14:35.49 | krka|work | sticklers? |
| 14:36.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | sticklers = stubborn people who like to have the best performance possible and don't care about looks ;) |
| 14:38.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | All in all, it looks like a solid addon. Because you have your own action buttons, a cool GUI method to add would be making right-clicking the action buttons bring up what conditions are already bound to that particular button. |
| 14:38.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | That would seriously beat out DAB's GUI. |
| 14:39.06 | krka|work | well, currently there is no way to do it, but it would be easy to add and I will add it |
| 14:39.26 | Corrodias | okay, i gotta go, bye. [away] |
| 14:39.31 | krka|work | bye |
| 14:41.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | In fact, GRAB makes me want to code up a quick function to do it with Visor, heh. |
| 14:41.53 | krka|work | i haven't read anything anywhere that indicates that visor is anything else than frame movement-thingy |
| 14:42.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | krka|work: No, Visor can do a lot more then that. You can change ANYTHING about an Action Button, and assign event scripts to each one too. |
| 14:43.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Since Action Buttons are just another type of frame. |
| 14:43.07 | krka|work | _event_ scripts only? |
| 14:43.12 | Tain | krka, Visor has a full button management system. |
| 14:43.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, I'd have to use Timex for conditions which aren't events. |
| 14:43.29 | Tain | Anything you can code in Lua you can have on a button. |
| 14:44.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | Just thing -- I could use it to finally make a one-button Druid! |
| 14:45.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | And I call this button "Moonfire v2". |
| 14:45.26 | Wobster | I've got it so it switches button sets on shapeshift |
| 14:45.28 | Tain | You could do that now if you really wanted to GenMX with Visor and KeyMinder. |
| 14:45.54 | Wobster | OomFire =P |
| 14:46.09 | Tain | Probably wouldn't need KeyMinder, but the code is there already so you wouldn't have to redo it. |
| 14:46.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wobster: Yeah, that was a pain at first |
| 14:47.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: True, true |
| 14:49.07 | krka|work | if you can make Visor as powerful as GRAB and easier to setup then I would love it! |
| 14:49.36 | Tain | I haven't looked at GRAB, but I have to tell you I can't imagine anything can be more powerful than Visor. |
| 14:49.47 | Tain | And I don't mean that in an arrogant way. |
| 14:50.05 | Tain | It's just that it was designed to give you a framework and then let you do the rest. |
| 14:50.40 | Tain | However easier to set up is probably not the case. |
| 14:50.41 | krka|work | I still haven't quite understood what Visor _is_ |
| 14:50.50 | Tain | I've tried to tell you a few times, and given you links. |
| 14:50.53 | Tain | You just haven't looked. |
| 14:51.00 | krka|work | I have :/ |
| 14:51.44 | Tain | Visor started out as a frame management system. Move, size, etc. etc., anything you can do with frames basically. Apply textures, backgrounds, |
| 14:51.50 | Wobster | True dat, TAin. I'd like a draggable visoractionbutton thing |
| 14:52.34 | krka|work | but you can do that without visor too? |
| 14:52.40 | krka|work | texture:SetTexture(s) |
| 14:56.18 | krka|work | ok, I'm reading this now: http://rousing.pbwiki.com/index.php?wiki=VisorTipsAndTricks |
| 14:56.43 | krka|work | is each VisorActionButton connected to a number one? |
| 14:57.02 | Tain | Yes krka, but when you SetTexture it isn't saved. |
| 14:57.21 | Tain | So it also keeps all of your settings and repplies them of course. |
| 14:57.31 | krka|work | ah, cool |
| 14:57.40 | Tain | Each VisorActionButton inherits from the original ActionButton template |
| 14:57.51 | Tain | And does go from 1-120, with the same button ID as the original action buttons. |
| 14:58.00 | Tain | so you can even mix and match between original buttons, and Visor buttons. |
| 14:58.08 | Tain | But I think that makes things more difficult. |
| 14:58.12 | Tain | You can do it though. |
| 14:58.35 | krka|work | ok... visor is powerful, i'll rephrase: |
| 14:58.53 | Tain | But the Visor buttons are almost a blank template. You apply what you want them to do. |
| 14:59.01 | krka|work | I want something that does what GRAB does but easier to set up |
| 14:59.07 | Tain | Moreso than something like Flexbar which is powerful, but it has a whole bunch of pre-defined functions. |
| 14:59.32 | krka|work | the scripts to set up a visor button are much harder than the setup I currently write for GRAB |
| 14:59.44 | krka|work | flexbar is a load of crap imo |
| 15:00.38 | Tain | Well, I don't use FlexBar, but in working on Visor I looked at flexBar a lot. It does a lot to make it easier for people to set-up by having pre-defined things. |
| 15:00.50 | Tain | Or I should say it tries to make it easier. |
| 15:01.31 | krka|work | i don't like that 1) flexbar duplicates a LOT of code 2) flexbar invents its own weird syntax and parser |
| 15:02.12 | Tain | But! Visor is definitely not simple to set up, especially for complex things. Howver it can do almost anything. Attach any script or function to anything on a button (or frame really) |
| 15:02.31 | Tain | OnClick - execute whatever Lua code you want. Limited just by your imagination. |
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| 15:03.20 | Tain | But that's also what makes it not user-friendly. :) |
| 15:03.35 | Wobster | Users are not known for their imagination =) |
| 15:05.51 | Kalroth_ | Oh, users can be very imaginative |
| 15:06.56 | Tain | Usually that's just imagining ways to make addon developers lives miserable. :) |
| 15:07.33 | Kalroth_ | Yeah ;) |
| 15:15.09 | krka|work | hm, I should built my own frame pool in 1.10 |
| 15:17.06 | Tain | Yeah that's going to be the next thing. |
| 15:17.29 | Tain | Virtual button creation instead of having to have 120 buttons set up in xml. |
| 15:17.53 | krka|work | and everyone will create their own pool of frames / textures |
| 15:17.54 | krka|work | :/ |
| 15:18.01 | sarf|stuff | Back |
| 15:18.03 | sarf|stuff | Anyhow! |
| 15:18.24 | sarf|stuff | krka, do you know what frame is shown when we get a lovely "instance / battleground screen and progress bar" ? |
| 15:18.56 | krka|work | no |
| 15:19.07 | krka|work | is it even in Lua? |
| 15:19.15 | sarf|stuff | I thought it was in GlueXML |
| 15:19.47 | sarf|stuff | By the way, I think that "Forsaken" is not a very "anchored" name for our undead brethren |
| 15:19.48 | sarf|stuff | CharModelFogInfo["SCOURGE"] = { r=0, g=0.22, b=0.22, far=26 }; |
| 15:20.03 | krka|work | heh |
| 15:20.18 | krka|work | i would suspect loading screens are outside of lua |
| 15:20.52 | sarf|stuff | intuition or based on empiric evidence? |
| 15:21.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | sarf|stuff: They were originally just called the "Undead", but then they gave them immunity to spells which only affect the Undead, so had to differentiate them. |
| 15:22.14 | sarf|stuff | I do know that :) |
| 15:22.22 | sarf|stuff | However, Forsaken ~= Scourge :) |
| 15:22.36 | krka|work | intuition |
| 15:22.46 | sarf|stuff | Right-o. My quest continues! |
| 15:23.22 | krka|work | wouldn't make sense to have Lua in the loading screen |
| 15:23.36 | sarf|stuff | But loading instances... ? |
| 15:23.43 | krka|work | same thing |
| 15:23.49 | krka|work | just different backgrounds |
| 15:23.51 | sarf|stuff | Yes, but why not? |
| 15:24.00 | sarf|stuff | They use Lua for login thingies :) |
| 15:24.18 | krka|work | ask yourself why instead |
| 15:24.26 | krka|work | why would blizzard need to enable Lua there? |
| 15:24.36 | krka|work | and how would you get Lua code to run then? |
| 15:24.46 | sarf|stuff | So that I can detect it and hide the UIParent which improves my zoning speed. |
| 15:24.48 | krka|work | no events are fired then and nothing gives OnUpdate |
| 15:24.54 | sarf|stuff | AKA "wishful thinking" |
| 15:25.02 | krka|work | hide UIParent? O_o |
| 15:25.07 | sarf|stuff | showing / hiding the loading screen, the progress bar |
| 15:25.15 | Beladona | Gen, anotehr reason for the differntiation of Undead players, was the detect undead skill |
| 15:25.16 | sarf|stuff | That's how "remove interface" works |
| 15:25.17 | sarf|stuff | Alt-Z |
| 15:25.18 | krka|work | you think hiding the progress bar will make it faster? :) |
| 15:25.22 | sarf|stuff | No |
| 15:25.31 | sarf|stuff | But when I hide the UI prior to zoning I zone in faster |
| 15:25.35 | sarf|stuff | Empirically tested. |
| 15:25.41 | krka|work | Beladona, and all the spells that required undead / humanoid |
| 15:25.46 | Beladona | aye |
| 15:25.49 | sarf|stuff | (prolly due to OnUpdates that get "batched") |
| 15:26.18 | sarf|stuff | Hmm... I hope the new Rogue talents will include an ability to set your creature type to "" :) |
| 15:26.25 | sarf|stuff | Finally, no more sheeping in BGS! |
| 15:26.50 | Beladona | mm, the new Thunderbird client is better |
| 15:26.51 | sarf|stuff | Looks like you're right, krka :/ found a DBFile for LoadingScreens |
| 15:27.01 | Beladona | can actually use multiple smtps |
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| 15:27.50 | Beladona | I wonder if Blizz plans to put more of the ui into addon form, since they are killing the ability to replace FrameXML |
| 15:28.16 | sarf|stuff | Well |
| 15:28.22 | sarf|stuff | Perhaps |
| 15:28.58 | sarf|stuff | It's an way that makes it easy to improve encapsulation and error control. |
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| 15:29.36 | sarf|stuff | What is "Hall of Legends" ? |
| 15:29.43 | sarf|stuff | PvP officer place? |
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| 15:31.12 | sarf|stuff | Greetings Osagasu, dukeku and Legorol! |
| 15:31.23 | Legorol | heya sarf, long time no see |
| 15:31.44 | sarf|stuff | yeah, new HD, not enough energy to auto-start mIRC |
| 15:31.45 | krka|work | sarf likes to batch greetings and send them in bunches? |
| 15:31.53 | sarf|stuff | Yep. More efficient & rational :) |
| 15:33.23 | sarf|stuff | Lots of drunk/drugged NPCs |
| 15:33.43 | sarf|stuff | I see a whole load of BakedNpcTextures in the mpq files :) |
| 15:38.59 | sarf|stuff | What's the name of that utility that displays models outside of WoW (directly from mpq files) ? |
| 15:39.51 | sarf|stuff | found some Map entries I wanna check out... PVPZone04, CavernsofTime and EmeraldDream |
| 15:42.12 | sarf|stuff | Wow Model Viewer, my bad :/ |
| 15:46.38 | Beladona | sarf: http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=657 |
| 15:46.52 | Beladona | I like that one better, it can do models, textures, and everything in one |
| 15:47.39 | Beladona | sarf|stuff: (making it beep) |
| 15:47.40 | sarf|stuff | Thank you Beladona! |
| 15:47.43 | Beladona | hehe |
| 15:47.56 | sarf|stuff | Don't worry, I trigger off of "sarf" now, not my current nick |
| 15:48.15 | sarf|stuff | (for some reason, sarf|lumberjacking was seldom used in casual conversation) |
| 15:50.15 | Wobster | Oh sod this. I never wanted to be a codemonkey... I never wanted to do this job in the first place! |
| 15:50.28 | Wobster | I... I wanted to be... |
| 15:50.31 | Wobster | A LUMBERJACK! |
| 15:50.55 | sarf|stuff | ^^ |
| 15:51.33 | Wumberjack | Wobberjack just didn't have the same impact =P |
| 15:54.07 | sarf|stuff | :) |
| 16:01.23 | Wob | k, help me out here with a logic chain. I want to check if two bag positions are the same and use lazy logic so that it shortcircuits the comparison, ie, check if the slot matches, if so, then check the bag... thus if the slot doesn't match, don't bother checking the bag... |
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| 16:11.11 | Wob | hah. I think "not( slot1 ~= slot2 or bag1 ~= bag2)" covers that |
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| 16:14.06 | Tain | if (slot1 = slot2) and (bag1 = bag2) |
| 16:14.18 | Tain | It won't check the bags if the slots fail |
| 16:14.55 | Wob | logical reduction ftw |
| 16:16.07 | Wob | I think I have xor on the brain |
| 16:16.30 | Wob | or something. Thank you Tain =) |
| 16:16.38 | Wob | Time for me to sleep I think =P |
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| 16:35.14 | wowguru-2120 | l |
| 16:35.26 | wowguru-2120 | hello |
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| 16:36.42 | sarf|stuff | 'lo |
| 16:37.10 | sarf|stuff | CThun is amazingly Lovecraftian |
| 16:37.33 | emotet | hello |
| 16:39.18 | emotet | Helloooooooooooooooo..... |
| 16:41.43 | [MoonWolf] | yes, but Cthun has more eyes. |
| 16:41.49 | [MoonWolf] | and he can detach them.... |
| 16:46.05 | kremonte | hmmmm |
| 16:46.35 | kremonte | i'm always so bored when tyhe servers are down |
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| 16:49.35 | kremonte | Cairenn is grumpy? |
| 16:49.47 | kremonte | ticked off? sleepy? happy in some wierd way? |
| 16:50.07 | Cairenn | dumb flat tire |
| 16:50.12 | kremonte | tires are generally hard. when you kick them, doesn't it hurt? |
| 16:50.17 | kremonte | oh, that might alleviate some of it. |
| 16:52.08 | Cairenn | can't just change it because the spare is already on |
| 16:52.27 | Cairenn | so I can't even get away with just buying one new tire, I've gotta buy two |
| 16:52.43 | kremonte | =( |
| 16:53.47 | Cairenn | ah well, at least this one just went flat overnight in the garage, instead of blowing out spectacularly in the middle of the freeway like the last one |
| 16:54.04 | kremonte | that too =P |
| 16:59.30 | emotet | I have a question about WoW, how do you separate a stack of items that are in your bag? |
| 16:59.42 | Cairenn | shift click |
| 17:00.09 | emotet | thanks |
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| 17:01.46 | Cide | the topic is misleading again! |
| 17:12.28 | *** topic/#WoWI-lounge by Cairenn -> Mod Dev Discussions: If you are happy and you know it, split a string! |
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| 17:44.17 | Cairenn | brb |
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| 17:49.25 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 17:49.30 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 17:50.00 | Shouryuu | Gryphen is such a nice guy... |
| 17:55.14 | Shouryuu | oh yeah |
| 17:55.20 | Shouryuu | we;re on maintainance night |
| 17:55.31 | Shouryuu | or however you write that |
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| 17:55.54 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 17:56.10 | wowguru-2699 | ? |
| 17:56.20 | Maldivia | just hate having written replies, and then get "Login Server is down" when you click post |
| 17:56.29 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 17:56.31 | bchako | lol |
| 17:56.32 | sarf|stuff | :) |
| 17:56.36 | Shouryuu | same here :P |
| 18:00.14 | Maldivia | hmm... I wonder if the CMs/GMs/Whatevers etc use the same forum-interface as we do... |
| 18:01.21 | sarf|stuff | No, theirs come with an "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" banner. |
| 18:02.00 | Maldivia | hmm... the public forums need such as banner aswell |
| 18:03.04 | sarf|stuff | That's what's coming in Blizzard Forums 2.0 :) |
| 18:04.55 | Maldivia | ahh, so that |
| 18:04.58 | Maldivia | 's the big change |
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| 18:07.58 | Maldivia | wb |
| 18:08.03 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 18:09.10 | Maldivia | If you're happy and you know it .... ok, I think I'll explode() then... |
| 18:10.50 | Corrodias | i don't know why blizzard decided to make their own crappy forum software... |
| 18:14.08 | Maldivia | the problem is rather, that it hasn't been updated since D2 was released... |
| 18:14.44 | Maldivia | or well, a lot of the problems with the forums back then are still there |
| 18:15.20 | Corrodias | hm. |
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| 18:18.24 | Maldivia | hmm, I wonder how many servers handle the wow-forums... |
| 18:19.55 | Natasem | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.48 | Natasem | they should just got with a phpBB board or something |
| 18:22.40 | Maldivia | I can't really picture a phpBB board as the WoW forums... |
| 18:29.18 | Shouryuu | the boards aren't that bad |
| 18:29.44 | Shouryuu | at least thye put some effort in making it look good |
| 18:31.29 | Maldivia | the forums are just bad on tuesdays during maintenance |
| 18:31.42 | Shouryuu | yeah =P |
| 18:31.48 | Shouryuu | patch days = suxorz for me |
| 18:31.51 | Shouryuu | I can't even post |
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| 18:36.43 | Shouryuu | is curse-gaming down? |
| 18:36.48 | Shouryuu | ahhh nope |
| 18:43.04 | Shouryuu | anyone see those 1.10 priest "leaks" |
| 18:43.43 | Maldivia | yeah, funny :) |
| 18:43.55 | Shouryuu | some seem feasable |
| 18:44.01 | Shouryuu | some just look bad |
| 18:44.21 | Maldivia | well, considering they were "leaked" only 2-3 days after a blue posted that they had just started on the priest changes ... |
| 18:44.44 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 18:44.52 | Shouryuu | the fear ward thing is a joke |
| 18:45.05 | Shouryuu | the GHeal would be nice but overpowered imo |
| 18:45.18 | Shouryuu | the PW:S would be nice and not overpowering, just logical imo |
| 18:45.41 | Shouryuu | the inner fire shit is a joke. I'd rather have extra armor than a measely %5 more resis... |
| 18:45.42 | Maldivia | the PW:S changes are probably real, to some extend |
| 18:45.46 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 18:46.04 | Maldivia | a channeled gheal would mean no more flash heal |
| 18:46.27 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 18:46.38 | Shouryuu | especialy if the cost is "channeled" as well |
| 18:46.52 | Maldivia | if gheal was channeled, then the "lower casting time" would probably be converted into a "chance not to be interrupted" |
| 18:47.10 | Maldivia | like the mage's impruved arcane missiles |
| 18:47.49 | Maldivia | but food - yeah, sounds like a good idea, afk dinner |
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| 18:52.37 | Cairenn | hi Iriel |
| 18:56.08 | Ratbert_CP | To verify, Lua is pass by reference, right? So if I assign the same table to multiple variables, they all still reference the same table (updating one variable would update the other variables), right? |
| 18:57.15 | Tem | Ratbert_CP: sort pf |
| 18:57.26 | Iriel | Well, it's pass by value, but tables are represented as "reference to the actual table" |
| 18:57.33 | Iriel | so you pass table references by value |
| 18:57.40 | Tem | and iriel beats me to it |
| 18:57.49 | Iriel | I didn't have to type 'sort of' |
| 18:57.57 | Tem | =P |
| 18:58.00 | Iriel | or, should I say, sort pf |
| 18:58.15 | Tem | oh wow.. I didn't even notice that one |
| 18:58.21 | Ratbert_CP | OK. What that means is that I have to copy table templates in order to later have them diverge... |
| 18:58.27 | Tem | There's that g15 thread again |
| 18:58.39 | Tem | I wonder how best to kill that thread |
| 18:58.42 | Iriel | Ratbert_CP : yes, though a deep copy script is easy to write. |
| 18:58.53 | Ratbert_CP | Using Ace, so it's there... :) |
| 18:58.54 | Iriel | Ratbert_CP : OR.. you can use metatables to implement templates |
| 18:59.03 | Iriel | Ratbert_CP : It just depends what you want to do |
| 18:59.09 | Ratbert_CP | metatables look scary... |
| 18:59.17 | Tem | they really aren't |
| 18:59.42 | Tem | they are without a doubt my favorite language feature |
| 18:59.55 | Ratbert_CP | Basically, I am using tables to configure a bunch of like items, but they still need to be unique. |
| 19:00.12 | Tem | yeah a metatable would really help you |
| 19:00.12 | Iriel | Do you have to iterate over the table contents? |
| 19:00.22 | Iriel | That's about the only thing that would preclude use of a metatable |
| 19:01.06 | Iriel | I guess 'removing' items also |
| 19:01.30 | Tain | Tem: I secretely embedded a G15 thread into the metatable of the forum. |
| 19:02.03 | Tem | oh noes! |
| 19:02.15 | Ratbert_CP | I am using AceGUI to create a table of frame objects, each of which needs a table of config options. I need each table to be slightly different (different anchor refs), but copying the tables seems... bloat-ish... |
| 19:02.42 | Iriel | Ratbert_CP : If you have TemplateTable with all of the defaults |
| 19:03.10 | Iriel | Ratbert_CP : Then you can do TemplateMeta = { __index = TemplateTable; } |
| 19:03.26 | Iriel | Ratbert_CP : And ChildTable = setmetatable({}, TemplateMeta); |
| 19:03.57 | Iriel | Now if you do x = ChildTable[X], you'll get the value in ChildTable if it exists, otherwise the value from TemplateTable |
| 19:04.13 | Iriel | similarly, ChildTable[X] = x will set the value in ChildTable, but leave TemplateTable alone |
| 19:04.19 | Ratbert_CP | Schweet... |
| 19:04.38 | Iriel | The only restricions are, pairs(ChildTable) only iterates over the things it overrides. |
| 19:04.55 | Iriel | And ChildTable[X] = nil; clears the override for X, you can't override a template value with 'nil' |
| 19:05.36 | Ratbert_CP | Hmmm... The function that sifts through the table uses the metatable as well... |
| 19:05.48 | Tem | Ratbert_CP: no it doesn't |
| 19:06.02 | Tem | Ratbert_CP: The config table isn't altered by AceGUI at all |
| 19:06.12 | Tem | it sticks it in self._def |
| 19:06.20 | Tem | and references it every once in a while |
| 19:06.31 | Ratbert_CP | Right... I see. It plays with its own metatable, but not the config table |
| 19:06.38 | Tem | right |
| 19:07.09 | Tain | Tombstone is one of my favorite movies of all time. |
| 19:07.27 | Ratbert_CP | So the metatable tomfoolery should work fine... |
| 19:07.42 | Ratbert_CP | A quick search of AceGUI shown no "pairs"/// |
| 19:08.03 | Tain | pairs() is a Lua function. |
| 19:08.07 | Tem | well |
| 19:08.14 | Tem | What type of object is this? |
| 19:08.37 | Tem | because in a few places it does need to iterate |
| 19:09.06 | Ratbert_CP | It's an AceGUI frame. Well, it's a virtual frame that has a number of AceGUI elements in it. |
| 19:09.18 | Ratbert_CP | Template of AceGUI templates... :) |
| 19:09.34 | Tem | yeah yeah be more specific |
| 19:09.58 | Tem | ACEGUI_BUTTON? ACEGUI_FONTSTINRG? ACEGUI_LISTBOX? |
| 19:10.36 | Ratbert_CP | ACEGUI_CHECKBOX, _FONTSTRING, _BUTTON. I think that's all I'm using... |
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| 19:12.20 | Tem | ok what table are you planning on putting the metatable on? |
| 19:12.39 | Tem | As long as it's not "Elements" I think you are fine |
| 19:12.57 | Ratbert_CP | It's not elements, but it's a table that's put into elements. |
| 19:13.06 | Tem | that should be fine |
| 19:13.21 | Ratbert_CP | But that table contains another "elements" table... |
| 19:13.25 | Tem | it needs to iterate over elements |
| 19:13.34 | Tem | so none of the elements tables can be inherited |
| 19:13.52 | Ratbert_CP | Hrmmm... |
| 19:15.32 | Ratbert_CP | I have a template set up for an ACEGUI_FRAME that contains five elements (3 checkboxes, a font string and a button). Then that template gets set as the elements of the top-level frame. |
| 19:15.54 | Ratbert_CP | Sounds like it probably won't work... |
| 19:16.15 | Ratbert_CP | :( |
| 19:16.16 | Tem | well |
| 19:16.23 | Tem | It could still work |
| 19:16.41 | Tem | Can you show me what you have? |
| 19:17.27 | Ratbert_CP | Only if you promise not to laugh... :) |
| 19:17.41 | Tem | haha, sure |
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| 19:32.49 | Beladona | meetings suck |
| 19:35.06 | Shouryuu|food | que ha passado? |
| 19:35.40 | Shouryuu | ugh let's not get there |
| 19:36.55 | Tem | I swear I will turn this thing around if you don't stop singing |
| 19:36.56 | Maldivia | aww :| |
| 19:38.25 | Maldivia | ... If you're happy and you know it, see a shrink... ohh, split a string... |
| 19:40.05 | Maldivia | hmm, can't say that I have... haven't known it for that long |
| 19:40.44 | Tem | they made us sign it in preschool |
| 19:43.05 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 19:43.26 | Tem | s/sign/sing/ |
| 19:43.41 | Maldivia | well, when I was in the equivalent of preschool, I wouldn't have been able to sing it :) |
| 19:44.04 | Tain | I think more people should have to see a shrink in preschool. |
| 19:44.29 | Shouryuu | I hate shrinks |
| 19:44.40 | Tem | Ok I need a date implementation |
| 19:44.51 | Tem | would days since jan 1 1970 be overkill? |
| 19:44.59 | Tain | That's easy Tem. Brunette, tall, nice breasts.. |
| 19:44.59 | Tain | Oh |
| 19:45.03 | Tain | Different date. |
| 19:45.03 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:45.47 | Iriel | Tem: Why does it have to be says since anything, can't you just store year, month, day? |
| 19:45.54 | Tain | Actually I like to stick with that sort of date format because of the differences in how people do ddmmyy and mmddyy |
| 19:46.05 | Iriel | or year * 1000 + month * 100 + day |
| 19:46.07 | Tem | well I need to be able to easily compare the days between different dates |
| 19:46.26 | Iriel | Is this lua? |
| 19:46.28 | Iriel | or something else? |
| 19:46.29 | Tem | yeah |
| 19:46.44 | Tem | if it were just about anything else I'd use a date class already written |
| 19:47.18 | Maldivia | time() - and vupti, you have seconds since epoch :) |
| 19:47.27 | Iriel | Just use os.time and all that |
| 19:47.35 | Iriel | What Maldivia said |
| 19:48.17 | Tem | unless I can easily use that to compare arbitrary dates those don't help me |
| 19:48.20 | Iriel | Just pick a fixed time zone and 'time of day' if all you care about is dates (UTC and midnight is good) |
| 19:48.35 | Iriel | well, you convert dates to it, subtract, and divide by seconds in a day |
| 19:49.07 | Iriel | Plus there's os.difftime |
| 19:49.40 | Maldivia | *grumble* Login Server still isn't up *grumble* |
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| 19:50.18 | Tem | Ok sorry, I got disconnected |
| 19:50.28 | Tem | Last thing I saw was "well, you convert dates to it, subtract, and divide by seconds in a day" |
| 19:50.39 | Iriel | <Iriel> Plus there's os.difftime |
| 19:50.43 | Iriel | That was all I added |
| 19:50.47 | Tem | well |
| 19:50.53 | Tem | is difftime available in WoW? |
| 19:51.08 | Iriel | Ah, you want it in WoW, that's different |
| 19:51.19 | Tem | Oh sorry, I wasn't clear |
| 19:52.13 | Iriel | I'd implement a similar model to the lua time functions |
| 19:52.26 | Iriel | but maybe just use days instead of seconds |
| 19:52.41 | Tem | that's what I was thinking since I only need days |
| 19:52.53 | Tain | Oh no. I just read the most terrible news. |
| 19:53.01 | Tain | They're banning booth babes from E3! |
| 19:53.06 | Iriel | But make it so all your inputs and storage are in decoded values (i.e. 2006-01-24) not the day count, and convert back and forth |
| 19:53.48 | Tem | Tain: I thought that was why people actually went to E3 |
| 19:53.55 | Iriel | that way if you change your mind about the internal format later, you dont have a data conversion effort on your hands |
| 19:54.17 | Tem | Iriel: I was also thinking of using some arbitrary starting point for days since |
| 19:54.34 | Tem | because all of the dates I'm going to be handling are going to be recent |
| 19:55.06 | Maldivia | Will the date be logged in that day, or can I enter for instance january 1st today ? |
| 19:55.33 | Tem | so I figured I'd shave a bit off the top of the "days since" method by not making it calculate all the way from 1970 |
| 19:55.44 | Iriel | That math isn't too hard |
| 19:55.50 | Tem | Maldivia: this isn't a user date thing |
| 19:55.52 | Iriel | just figure out how many leap years there were |
| 19:56.00 | Tem | oh |
| 19:56.03 | Tem | well yeah |
| 19:56.12 | Tem | that's easier than I was thinking |
| 19:56.31 | Tem | Maldivia: it's only an internal structure for a calendar addon |
| 19:56.38 | Iriel | A table of month offsets within the year (with leap year adjustment) |
| 19:56.50 | Iriel | and then the right math for leap years (every 4, not every 100, every 400) |
| 19:56.52 | Iriel | and you'll be set |
| 19:57.14 | Maldivia | Tem: ahh ok |
| 19:59.00 | Tem | Iriel: by table of months you mean something like "{0,31,59,...}"? |
| 19:59.02 | Maldivia | hmm, is the time() function in wow == os.time ? |
| 19:59.09 | Tem | Maldivia: I think so |
| 19:59.58 | Tem | and I think date == os.date as well |
| 20:00.25 | Iriel | Tem: yes |
| 20:00.29 | Maldivia | then you can do something like seconds_since_epoch = time({year = 2006, month = 1, day = 30}); |
| 20:01.26 | Tem | /86400 |
| 20:01.31 | Tem | floor |
| 20:01.43 | Maldivia | yeah, if you want it in days since epoch |
| 20:01.50 | Tem | Thank Maldivia I'll try that |
| 20:02.24 | Maldivia | a lot easier than making your own converter :) |
| 20:02.45 | Tem | indeed |
| 20:03.11 | Iriel | Well, somewhat easier 8-) |
| 20:03.12 | Tem | aparently my realm is down |
| 20:03.14 | Iriel | Just dates isn't all that hard |
| 20:03.17 | Maldivia | the nice thing about having it in seconds_since_epoch, then you can do: t = date("*t", seconds_since_epoch); |
| 20:03.29 | Maldivia | and t will be a table with year, month, day etc |
| 20:03.30 | Iriel | The only thing to watch out for with seconds is leap seconds. |
| 20:03.36 | Iriel | I'd recommend using midday, rather than midnight |
| 20:03.38 | Tem | leap seconds? |
| 20:04.06 | Iriel | But it may not be an issue, many systems just pretend leap seconds dont exist. |
| 20:04.15 | Tain | You thought this was going to be easy, didn't you Tem. |
| 20:04.16 | Iriel | There was a leap second this month |
| 20:04.33 | Tem | and how often are there leap seconds? |
| 20:04.48 | Maldivia | leap seconds are around every 10th year at new year |
| 20:05.39 | Maldivia | but leap-seconds doesn't really affect this in anyway, since they "dont exists" |
| 20:07.50 | Iriel | Yeah, they're sort of a non-issue here, os.time ignores them |
| 20:08.44 | Maldivia | well, every clock in the world ignores them :) |
| 20:08.56 | Iriel | http://maia.usno.navy.mil/eo/leapsec.html |
| 20:08.59 | Iriel | Not true |
| 20:09.05 | Iriel | GPS clocks dont |
| 20:09.07 | Tem | alright what am I missing? |
| 20:09.45 | Tem | os.time{year=2006,month=1,day=26,hour=12}/86400 = 13174.25 |
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| 20:10.48 | Iriel | TIMEZONE |
| 20:10.56 | Maldivia | you mean the.25 - time() uses UTC timezone |
| 20:11.06 | Iriel | does it tho? |
| 20:11.16 | Iriel | the result is in UTC, the input is local |
| 20:11.20 | Maldivia | yeah ok |
| 20:11.35 | Tem | oh yes |
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| 20:11.47 | Tem | os.time{year=2006,month=1,day=26,hour=18}/86400 = 13175 |
| 20:11.47 | Iriel | Which is a potential issue |
| 20:11.50 | Maldivia | similar with date, input in UTC, output in local |
| 20:12.01 | Iriel | that goes back to my statement earlier, only use these 'seconds' INTERNALLY |
| 20:12.06 | Kirkburn | Evenin' |
| 20:12.08 | Iriel | never send them or store them |
| 20:12.15 | Maldivia | why? |
| 20:12.22 | Iriel | Because the recipient may not be in the same timezone |
| 20:12.25 | Iriel | and things get funky |
| 20:12.29 | Maldivia | not at all |
| 20:12.45 | Iriel | trust me |
| 20:12.50 | Maldivia | the recepient will recieve the seconds in UTC, use the date function, and it'll be translated into local-time |
| 20:12.56 | Iriel | into THEIR local time |
| 20:13.00 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 20:13.03 | Iriel | great if you're doing proper time comparisons |
| 20:13.15 | Iriel | terrible if you're working with DATES ONLY |
| 20:13.34 | Kirkburn | I have a quick question, copying your own FRIZQT__.ttf etc. in WoW\Fonts works as an override does it not? |
| 20:13.49 | Iriel | So, if tem's calendar is granular to the hour, then i agree it's a non-issue |
| 20:13.51 | Kirkburn | Cos I don't want to suggest it to people if it doesn't :) |
| 20:13.54 | Iriel | but if it's to the day, it's an issue. |
| 20:14.00 | Iriel | Kirkburn : I would imagine it works |
| 20:14.16 | Maldivia | Iriel: well, it depends... if you have some scheduled for the 23rd in US, it might be nice for an Australian to see it scheduled on the 24th, since it'll be the 24th for him/her at that time |
| 20:14.34 | Iriel | Maldivia : I agree, as long as the calendar permits the entry of HOUR |
| 20:14.34 | Kirkburn | I'll say it and see if anyone *elses* PC blows up :p Ta |
| 20:14.46 | Maldivia | Iriel: yeah |
| 20:14.56 | Iriel | Maldivia |
| 20:15.09 | Iriel | Maldivia : but since tem said days only, I was warning against it 8-) |
| 20:15.15 | Maldivia | Iriel: yeah, ok |
| 20:15.37 | Beladona | someone building an in-game calendar? |
| 20:16.29 | Beladona | make it part of the mail system, and have anything you schedule mail out to recipients, basically Outlook for WOW |
| 20:16.33 | Beladona | =D |
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| 20:17.38 | Maldivia | Iriel: another problem is ofcourse, if the local computer's clock is set wrong / have wrong TZ info - then it'll be all funky :) |
| 20:17.57 | Tem | not really |
| 20:18.06 | Tem | because both time returns will be wrong |
| 20:18.10 | Tem | by the same offset |
| 20:18.21 | Tem | so I will still get an accurate count of the days between 2 dates |
| 20:18.31 | Maldivia | yeah, true |
| 20:19.22 | Tem | time{date}/86400 - time{date}/86400 will always be a whole number |
| 20:19.35 | Tem | (provided I don't mess with the time of day in each date) |
| 20:19.42 | Tem | regardless of local |
| 20:19.49 | Maldivia | true |
| 20:20.24 | Iriel | (time{date} - time{date})/86400 will be too, and has one less division |
| 20:21.09 | Tem | I thought of that as I was typing it, but I was just too lazy to go back and change it |
| 20:21.35 | Maldivia | was thinking of a calendar, you could share with other - so they could see the schedule, and if different people added to the calender, it could be with different TZ offsets, and thus not make you division it return a whole number |
| 20:21.59 | Tem | Maldivia: I was originally worried about that |
| 20:22.23 | Tem | but in my calendar all events that have a time will be in server time |
| 20:22.43 | Tem | and the time won't be associated with the date |
| 20:22.44 | krka | also, iriels way doesn't depend on perfect division implementation |
| 20:22.53 | krka | (infinite precision and stuff) |
| 20:23.11 | Shouryuu | tem - I love you, if you put that in server time |
| 20:23.24 | Tem | Shouryuu: ? |
| 20:23.31 | Maldivia | Tem: is this the reset mod? |
| 20:23.34 | Shouryuu | I live in fucking paris why the fuck should I know what EST and CST mean |
| 20:23.37 | Iriel | Personally i'd put a + 0.5 and a math.round 8-) |
| 20:23.38 | Tem | Maldivia: yeah |
| 20:23.54 | Shouryuu | lol I hate it when people put raid starting a 6pm EST |
| 20:23.55 | Iriel | Shouryuu : Screw them, just know PST |
| 20:24.07 | Tem | I hate PST |
| 20:24.15 | krka | you either have to know the servers TZ or your own |
| 20:24.17 | Shouryuu | Pacific Time? |
| 20:24.18 | Cairenn | PSCP instead! |
| 20:24.19 | krka | which will you do? |
| 20:24.29 | Tem | krka: I don't know yet |
| 20:24.31 | Maldivia | Shouryuu: luckily, raids for my guild are always posted in server-time :) |
| 20:24.37 | Iriel | indeed, pacific FTW |
| 20:24.50 | Maldivia | CET FTW! |
| 20:24.53 | krka | easiest would be to let the user specify timezone |
| 20:24.54 | Tem | krka: I'll be fooling with that mess when I get to the robust part of the calendar |
| 20:25.04 | krka | then if it's wrong, atleast it's the users own damn fault :P |
| 20:25.12 | Ktron | Everyone knows that EST should have been GMT ;) |
| 20:25.17 | Tem | I'm thinking let the user specify his time offset from server time |
| 20:25.31 | Shouryuu | just put it on Server time, everyone has that, and don't need to be einstein to be able to calculate the offset between CST and EST down to PST passing by ST and swapped back to paris time |
| 20:25.34 | Maldivia | Is there a Greenwich in the EST timezone ? |
| 20:25.37 | Tem | actually |
| 20:25.54 | Tem | brb |
| 20:25.56 | krka | is raid resets relative to server time? |
| 20:25.57 | Ktron | New Addon: Time Zone calculator |
| 20:26.00 | krka | or to a predefined time? |
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| 20:26.10 | Shouryuu | Ktron - I need that |
| 20:26.20 | Maldivia | (think) it's relative to server time |
| 20:26.27 | krka | all servers reset at their own time X? |
| 20:26.52 | Tem | I think it's a specific time relative to server time |
| 20:26.57 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 20:27.02 | Shouryuu | since it's off peak hours |
| 20:27.09 | Maldivia | probably 4am server time |
| 20:27.11 | krka | then you almost don't have to specify anything at all |
| 20:27.18 | Shouryuu | so I'm guessing peak hours depend on servers |
| 20:27.31 | krka | you can figure out the relative timezone different ... kinda |
| 20:27.35 | krka | you'd get two possible values |
| 20:27.40 | Tem | right |
| 20:27.50 | krka | the lowest one is almost always the correct one though |
| 20:27.54 | Maldivia | Tem: did you ever find the "winning" name for the mod ? |
| 20:27.55 | krka | except for australians playing on us-servers |
| 20:28.15 | krka | NAWTY, NowAreWeThereYet? |
| 20:28.16 | Tem | right now it's NAWTY |
| 20:28.34 | Tem | but that's really just a temp name anyway |
| 20:29.03 | Tem | I intend on releasing the raid release thing under NAWTY (unless a better name comes to me before it's ready) |
| 20:29.19 | Kirkburn | Hey, I made up part of that :) |
| 20:29.24 | Tem | but then filling out the backend to make it a general do everything calendar |
| 20:29.36 | Tem | and re-release it under a different name |
| 20:29.36 | Kirkburn | Hence, the name should stay ;) |
| 20:30.24 | Ktron | Granted, RaidTime might be the most obvious boring approach |
| 20:30.35 | krka | boring names suck : |
| 20:30.41 | krka | though I tend to use them myself |
| 20:30.58 | Kirkburn | People will never forget a name like Nawty |
| 20:31.20 | Ktron | I disapprove of names like Raiderburgerburgerraider though |
| 20:31.29 | Ktron | well, that one is okay |
| 20:31.54 | Ktron | somethign like 'woahtherecow' or 'jumpthedog' or 'splataflat' or something that has no keywords in it is not good |
| 20:32.12 | Ktron | at leasty nawty kind of gets at what it does |
| 20:32.35 | Kirkburn | er, it does? |
| 20:32.51 | Kirkburn | I assume we're talking about the full version of the name ... |
| 20:33.01 | Kirkburn | Otherwise I worry for your sanity |
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| 20:33.20 | Ktron | yeah, the full version |
| 20:33.21 | Shouryuu | lool |
| 20:33.24 | Tain | Don't cry for me, Argentina. |
| 20:33.26 | Kirkburn | Maybe my raids have just been more 'normal' than yours |
| 20:33.34 | Shouryuu | tain - Madona! |
| 20:33.38 | Shouryuu | in a shit movie of hers |
| 20:35.45 | Shouryuu | You should make a raid countdown add-on |
| 20:36.04 | Shouryuu | somethng that shouts in Guild Chat "Raind Starting in X hours" |
| 20:36.21 | Tain | Or, "x more hours until Timmy has to go to bed and leave the raid early." |
| 20:36.27 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:36.44 | Shouryuu | I always ask in how much time the raid is starting |
| 20:37.00 | Shouryuu | time convertion has always been a problem for me |
| 20:37.03 | Ktron | here's another good idea |
| 20:37.09 | Ktron | give everyone in the guild |
| 20:37.19 | Ktron | a button that says 'ready until' |
| 20:37.28 | Ktron | they click it, and say what time they are good to raid until |
| 20:37.40 | Ktron | then people can view whose ready to go |
| 20:37.49 | Ktron | and whose omgbbq |
| 20:38.05 | Shouryuu | omgbbq... |
| 20:38.15 | Shouryuu | ~lart Ktron |
| 20:39.06 | Ktron | you know, they're omgbbq is they're not around when they should be, possibly because they had a barbeque they nearly forgot about |
| 20:40.02 | Tain | Happens to me all the time. |
| 20:40.11 | Tain | I forgot my steak on the grill outside! |
| 20:40.50 | Ktron | thank you Tain, I knew I wasn't the only one... then tain's like omgbbq and goes to get it and eat it |
| 20:41.18 | Tain | I died a little bit more inside yesterday. |
| 20:41.25 | Tain | I was driving home and a woman on the radio said: |
| 20:41.32 | Tain | Oh Em Gee! |
| 20:41.40 | Ktron | heh |
| 20:41.47 | krka | LOL out loud! |
| 20:41.51 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:42.13 | Tain | The world is doomed. |
| 20:42.21 | Ktron | yes!!! one one one !!! |
| 20:42.48 | Shouryuu | you missed a shift there ktron |
| 20:43.09 | krka | oh are-ell-why? |
| 20:44.10 | Shouryuu | my god |
| 20:44.16 | Ktron | you can tell who is an irc regular though, and we can only hope we can control the culture |
| 20:44.20 | Ktron | because while we are aware of it |
| 20:44.22 | Shouryuu | Cair help us!! save us all!! |
| 20:44.30 | Tain | Yeah we can +m reality |
| 20:44.34 | Kirkburn | Chuck Norris says no |
| 20:44.38 | Ktron | we generally don't do stuff like 'can u help me with my c0de l8r?' |
| 20:44.39 | Shouryuu | arrrghhhhhh |
| 20:44.55 | Kirkburn | Where's Captain Picard when you need him? |
| 20:45.08 | Ktron | And we fall back? |
| 20:45.09 | Tain | You should just try walking up to someone and saying, "A S L?" |
| 20:45.18 | Maldivia | onboard USS Enterprise 1701-E, I presume |
| 20:45.23 | Shouryuu | hhelppp |
| 20:45.24 | krka | any1 want to help me with my 1337 haxor lua c0de? y0u need to sign dis NDA cuz its rly 1337 |
| 20:45.28 | Shouryuu | my eyessss my eeyyyyeessssss |
| 20:46.04 | Ktron | krka, lol, yeah.... Even if we are aware of 1337, doesn't mean we use it |
| 20:46.13 | krka | am I the only one who says tee-age-ex when someone's been nice? |
| 20:46.33 | Ktron | tee-age-ex? |
| 20:46.39 | Kirkburn | age meaning 'h'? What kind of weird accent is that? |
| 20:46.43 | Maldivia | hmm, probably :) |
| 20:46.52 | Ktron | oh.... heh |
| 20:46.55 | Cairenn | thx? unforunately, no you aren't |
| 20:47.01 | Ktron | aych perhaps |
| 20:47.35 | Cairenn | although more and more I see "ty" these days, instead of thx |
| 20:47.43 | Tain | Or there still are people out there who pronounce it, "hach" |
| 20:47.53 | Kirkburn | I like to say "Ta very muchly, do come round for tea sometime in my English Castle upon the Thames River" |
| 20:47.54 | Tain | Yeah but do they say it outloud in person, Cairenn . :) |
| 20:47.54 | Ratbert_CP | People are nice? When did that memo get delivered? |
| 20:48.03 | Cairenn | god I hope not |
| 20:48.17 | Tain | This all started because I heard a woman on the radio say, outloud, "Oh Em Gee!" |
| 20:48.30 | Cairenn | yeah, I have been following the conversation :p |
| 20:48.37 | Kirkburn | Well I'm waiting for Cairenn to accept ClearFont :p |
| 20:48.49 | Tain | I heard ClearFont kicks puppies. |
| 20:48.55 | Kirkburn | Only ugly ones |
| 20:49.16 | Ktron | They're only ugly because you kick them! |
| 20:49.35 | Ktron | their noses were straight before... |
| 20:49.36 | Cairenn | It's amazing what letting me know that it's sitting there waiting does ... |
| 20:49.40 | Kirkburn | Damn, you found out |
| 20:50.14 | Ktron | you're not supposed to chew tic tacs, right? |
| 20:50.17 | Kirkburn | Heh, I only *just* did it, u just arrived at the right time |
| 20:50.44 | Kirkburn | I was organising the big "Accept the ClearFont Alpha" parade with elephants though. Pity you'll miss it really |
| 20:50.48 | Kirkburn | The floats were really big. |
| 20:50.50 | Cairenn | more like, I only just made my continued presence known |
| 20:50.54 | krka | hmm.. i don't really pronounce it age, more like eitch when I think about it |
| 20:50.58 | Tain | The Wintergreen ones make sparks in your mouth when you bite them, Ktron |
| 20:51.01 | Kirkburn | aitch |
| 20:51.16 | Kirkburn | Otherwise it'd be eetch |
| 20:51.27 | Tain | So do exposed electrical wires though. |
| 20:51.32 | Ktron | I'm eating orange ones... but Tain, I'm going to try to light stuff on fire when them |
| 20:51.33 | krka | i've never been good at transcribing phonetics |
| 20:51.46 | Tain | Oh I got an orange one stuck in my nose once. |
| 20:51.46 | Shouryuu | tain - lol |
| 20:51.49 | Kirkburn | So says me, anyway, I shoudl rewrite the dictionary |
| 20:52.24 | Shouryuu | that would be the death of english language |
| 20:52.31 | Ktron | the kickburntionary? |
| 20:52.49 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:53.05 | Kirkburn | Clicky and don't install, look at for me! ClearFont v11000-Alpha Preview Non-worky version: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4528 |
| 20:53.15 | Kirkburn | Why does everyone always misspell it :( |
| 20:53.44 | Kirkburn | I'm waiting for someone to include 'ti' in their sentence |
| 20:54.07 | Shouryuu | ti? |
| 20:54.17 | Tain | TI is closing down their offices near me. |
| 20:54.24 | Kirkburn | Lern 2 misspell |
| 20:55.04 | Shouryuu | Texas Instruments? |
| 20:56.16 | Tain | Yes, Shouryuu. |
| 20:56.44 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 20:56.47 | Shouryuu | I feel retarted |
| 20:56.49 | Shouryuu | I;m sorry |
| 20:57.01 | Shouryuu | I'll just go bang my head on something hard for a while and come back |
| 20:57.27 | Kirkburn | Untart yourself! |
| 20:57.44 | Shouryuu | Untart my hearr!!! |
| 20:57.49 | Shouryuu | Say you love me again!!! |
| 20:58.14 | Kirkburn | And thus I run away screaming |
| 20:58.26 | Maldivia | thank you, Céline |
| 20:58.36 | Maldivia | or who ever it is, who sings that song :) |
| 20:58.54 | Kirkburn | They have copyright in the middle of their name? |
| 20:59.04 | Shouryuu | shit happens |
| 20:59.07 | Maldivia | copyright? |
| 20:59.18 | Shouryuu | Céline |
| 20:59.18 | Shouryuu | <Maldivia> or who ever it is, who sings that song :) |
| 20:59.18 | Shouryuu | <Kirkburn> They have copyright in the middle of their name? |
| 20:59.21 | Shouryuu | sorry |
| 20:59.30 | Maldivia | ohh, é ? |
| 20:59.39 | Shouryuu | not my intention to paste 12 lines |
| 20:59.45 | Maldivia | that's an e with ' over it |
| 21:00.04 | Kirkburn | It is? Maybe Consolas is missing that symbol |
| 21:00.15 | Maldivia | Copyright: © |
| 21:01.05 | Kirkburn | That went from A(C) with a sguiggly line over the a to A(C) with a hat over the a. Working as intended. |
| 21:01.40 | Maldivia | é - better ? |
| 21:01.49 | Kirkburn | I just changed the wording on the ClearFont beta page: you can download it btw :p I made a lovely little mini-website in the download for you to look at :) |
| 21:02.01 | Kirkburn | Maldivia: Mucho better |
| 21:02.16 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: change charset from UTF-8 to ISO-8859-1 |
| 21:02.19 | Maldivia | changed* |
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| 21:02.33 | Verlaine | On est la comme deux cons, On est bien tout les deux, C'est par pour notre pognon, Mias pour c'ki a dans nos yeux. Que la foule se fige, et s'emerveille un peu, il s'rait p'tet tan k'tu pige, tout c'ki passe sous mes cheveux, c'que c'est CON l'amitie... |
| 21:03.17 | ToastTheif | id` |
| 21:03.19 | Kirkburn | I've never seen french with so many 'k's |
| 21:03.26 | Maldivia | hmm... CON... are you trying to CON us... ? :) |
| 21:03.47 | Shouryuu | almost :p |
| 21:04.26 | Maldivia | con is frensh for idiot, right? |
| 21:04.28 | Shouryuu | well consider it the french version of " u's and thx and r or whateve" |
| 21:04.37 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:04.41 | Shouryuu | but it's insulting |
| 21:05.24 | Maldivia | just made me think back at the good old con/con days... |
| 21:06.10 | Shouryuu | I missed those |
| 21:06.45 | Kirkburn | So anyway any priests here? |
| 21:06.52 | Shouryuu | yo |
| 21:07.01 | Maldivia | I have a priest, yeah |
| 21:07.23 | digix_ | my main is a priest :) |
| 21:07.31 | krka | yo mama is a priest! |
| 21:07.40 | Kirkburn | possibly some of the changes have been leaked |
| 21:07.48 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:07.49 | Maldivia | naah... |
| 21:07.54 | Shouryuu | but they're kinda.. joky :P |
| 21:08.17 | Maldivia | the "leaked" notes, are directly from the king of wishful thinking... |
| 21:08.20 | Kirkburn | I haven't even read them yet :D |
| 21:08.32 | digix | lol, yeah, some of them are pretty out there |
| 21:08.52 | Maldivia | although, channeled gheal would be SO nice... |
| 21:09.10 | digix | id rather have the crit chance |
| 21:09.14 | Shouryuu | a joke |
| 21:09.21 | Shouryuu | channeled Gheal would be ajoke |
| 21:09.25 | Maldivia | actually theorized about a channeled gheal a few months ago, when I was talking with some guildmates about how to make gheal a spell that would be used |
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| 21:09.48 | Maldivia | channeled spells can crit |
| 21:09.54 | digix | can they? |
| 21:09.59 | Maldivia | arcane missiles |
| 21:10.00 | digix | was not aware of that.... |
| 21:10.02 | digix | oh yeah |
| 21:10.02 | Tem | I use Gheal all the time |
| 21:10.10 | Tem | you just have to time it right |
| 21:10.12 | Kirkburn | yup, they can crit |
| 21:10.14 | Tain | Arcane Missles crit. |
| 21:10.27 | Kirkburn | Otherwise think about the poor warlocks"! |
| 21:10.39 | Shouryuu | Tem- I need to know when |
| 21:10.42 | digix | the crits would be per tick though, right? |
| 21:10.46 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 21:10.51 | digix | hmmmm |
| 21:10.59 | Tem | Shouryuu: I use it on tanks |
| 21:11.01 | digix | i can see the up and down -sides to that |
| 21:11.10 | Maldivia | Tem: in which instances? |
| 21:11.13 | Tem | oh |
| 21:11.18 | Tem | well my priest is only level 45 |
| 21:11.26 | digix | and i use greater heal all the time too, in MC and Ony |
| 21:11.27 | Maldivia | see, there's the problem :) |
| 21:11.42 | Tem | does it's usefulness change a lot at 60? |
| 21:11.49 | Shouryuu | es |
| 21:11.51 | Shouryuu | *yes |
| 21:11.51 | Maldivia | in BWL, yes! |
| 21:11.52 | Shouryuu | it dies |
| 21:11.57 | Shouryuu | I agree |
| 21:11.57 | Tem | aww |
| 21:12.01 | Tem | gheal is my favoite |
| 21:12.02 | Maldivia | if you use gheal in BWL, your tank dies |
| 21:12.05 | Shouryuu | I used it often in pre 60 instances |
| 21:12.05 | Tem | I like big numbers |
| 21:12.23 | digix | we havent hit BWL yet, so i cant comment about it in that case, but yeah, i hear that flash heal is way more used |
| 21:12.37 | Tem | we're starting BWL next week |
| 21:12.45 | Tem | got our first rag kill last sunday :) |
| 21:12.52 | digix | nice, grats! |
| 21:13.02 | Maldivia | well, basically, the mobs there can crit your tank for A LOT of damage (6k and up)... |
| 21:13.03 | Tem | I got me a Choker of the Fire Lord |
| 21:13.20 | Shouryuu | believe me |
| 21:13.25 | Shouryuu | GHeal dies at 60 |
| 21:13.35 | Tem | it's nice to look at my neck slot and think "done" |
| 21:13.43 | Corrodias | is that one of those that tries to tell you "you're not going to cast the high rank heal."? |
| 21:14.02 | Corrodias | i don't like when an addon thinks it knows better than me |
| 21:14.05 | Tem | and if I don't get a NW crown tonight I'm going to lose it |
| 21:14.06 | Shouryuu | same |
| 21:14.19 | Shouryuu | I ahte decursive |
| 21:14.24 | Maldivia | i HATE addons who choose target or spells for me |
| 21:14.26 | Shouryuu | I hate the mana-efficient stuff |
| 21:14.49 | Shouryuu | Just deal with the way *I* play or fuck off |
| 21:14.51 | digix | hrm, how often do you run out of mana then? |
| 21:15.07 | Shouryuu | I don't run high instances that often |
| 21:15.08 | Maldivia | I dont mind mana conserve and like, but I usually abort the spell myself, before it does |
| 21:15.10 | Corrodias | it is true that lower level heals can be hard to fit on your action bars and click in times of need |
| 21:15.12 | Shouryuu | I don't play the game at all |
| 21:15.25 | Corrodias | but i do it anyway |
| 21:15.59 | digix | Shour: then why are you complaining about all this if you dont play?? |
| 21:16.08 | Corrodias | i do tend to run out of mana if i'm the only healer and it's a long fight. but then, that's from the perspective of a level 47 druid |
| 21:16.19 | Kirkburn | Dammit, I want in on the Messenger Live Beta :( |
| 21:16.51 | Shouryuu | digix - 'cause I used to play :P I don't HATE them, but I don't like playing with them |
| 21:16.59 | Corrodias | nah, that's not true.. but unless i were to pick up an addon that counts overheals and it tells me otherwise, i don't think i overheal much at all |
| 21:17.08 | Maldivia | the problem with the "let me choose spell rank for you", they have no way of predicting the health of the target when the spell will actually hit |
| 21:17.08 | Shouryuu | same |
| 21:17.12 | Shouryuu | in 5mans I'm fine |
| 21:17.17 | Corrodias | unless a priest and i are casting at almost exactly the same time |
| 21:17.20 | Shouryuu | mald - agreed |
| 21:18.09 | Maldivia | Corrodias: and in raids, the odds of that happening is around 80% :) |
| 21:18.28 | digix | Mald: castparty is acutally doing a good job for me on that... its pretty good on predicting based on how quickly they are losing health etc. |
| 21:18.31 | Tem | hahaha! |
| 21:18.39 | Tem | I just got an IM from a priest in my guild |
| 21:18.45 | Tem | "wanna know a secret?" |
| 21:18.55 | Corrodias | hm. i think i'll be trying to use HoT's a lot in those cases, if i can |
| 21:19.18 | Tem | "on that first Rag attempt, my first 2 heals on ram [the MT] were PoF because I was on the wrong action bar" |
| 21:19.22 | digix | but usually on boss fights, i go manual and spam GH rank 2 |
| 21:19.34 | digix | ROFL |
| 21:19.38 | Tem | "So I pissed away 6k mana before the fight even started" |
| 21:19.45 | digix | thats hilarious Tem |
| 21:19.45 | Corrodias | PoF? |
| 21:19.48 | Tain | Ug I'm trying to make sense out of the action bars. |
| 21:19.52 | Tem | Prayer of Fortitude |
| 21:19.59 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:20.06 | Corrodias | i fail to recognize that one! :o |
| 21:20.11 | Corrodias | but i understand the funny |
| 21:20.28 | Shouryuu | PoF is the group stam buff |
| 21:20.30 | Tem | best part is we had him with a flask on |
| 21:20.35 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:20.44 | Tem | and somehow his FR gear has 11k mana with a flask |
| 21:20.58 | Shouryuu | FR? |
| 21:21.01 | Corrodias | fire resist |
| 21:21.02 | Tem | Fire Resist |
| 21:21.05 | Shouryuu | aahh |
| 21:21.05 | Shouryuu | wow |
| 21:21.07 | Shouryuu | that;s a lot |
| 21:21.09 | Corrodias | OOH CAPITALS AND EVERYTHING |
| 21:21.11 | Tem | indeed |
| 21:21.11 | Shouryuu | I have 0 FR |
| 21:21.18 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:21.29 | Tem | Shouryuu: you have never done Rag, have you? |
| 21:21.35 | Corrodias | i have a ring with +13. woo. |
| 21:21.46 | Shouryuu | tem - Nope |
| 21:21.48 | Tem | I have a ring with +15 AND some stats |
| 21:21.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | There's nothing wrong with choose-a-spell-rank for healing if it fits your playstyle. It's not required, either. |
| 21:21.50 | digix | ive got 10.5k with my FR gear and flask..... it doesnt seem hard |
| 21:21.51 | Shouryuu | done lucci a few times, and voila |
| 21:22.22 | Maldivia | digix: seen http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~racecar/healbot1.0.html |
| 21:22.27 | Shouryuu | I can't remember if I'm in the 8k or 6k zone |
| 21:22.30 | Tem | The greatest part about our rag kill was that it was only our 5th overall attempt at him |
| 21:22.32 | Shouryuu | but my equip reallly sucks |
| 21:22.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | Some type of debuff mod is almost required, though. It |
| 21:22.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | It's very hard to keep track of the debuffs on 40 people. |
| 21:22.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | I like NeedyList myself. |
| 21:23.03 | Maldivia | well, the default UI now has the options to only show debuffs you can cure :) |
| 21:23.26 | digix | Mald: yes, i have.. thats awesome for figuring out what ranks to use |
| 21:23.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | Maldivia: New in 1.10? |
| 21:23.44 | Corrodias | four failed attempts at this boss? |
| 21:23.44 | Tem | (and our first attempt really doesn't count because our general strategy was "everyone charge in and die and see if that bothers him enugh to give us epics") |
| 21:23.47 | Maldivia | new in 1.9 |
| 21:24.02 | Corrodias | things must be much different in those 60-dungeons. |
| 21:24.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Huh, I didn't notice the option in Interface |
| 21:24.11 | krka | sometimes an addon can perform selection as good as a player though |
| 21:24.11 | Tem | s/enugh/enough/ |
| 21:24.25 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:24.31 | Maldivia | GenNMX: Interface options - bottom-center |
| 21:25.10 | Tem | Corrodias: it takes most guilds a month of trying Rag to kill him |
| 21:25.19 | Tem | Corrodias: it took us 2 nights |
| 21:25.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Still, NeedyList is a little smarter then the default interface |
| 21:25.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | Like I said, it's difficult to keep tabs on 40 people |
| 21:25.45 | Tem | (granted those 2 nights were spread out through 2 weeks |
| 21:25.52 | Tem | but still) |
| 21:26.00 | Corrodias | hmm. tough fight, i guess. |
| 21:26.06 | Maldivia | personally, I dont think so - have a raid UI that helps me, but it doesn't auto-select target or anything |
| 21:26.08 | Corrodias | 40 people and they can still fail for a month. |
| 21:26.21 | digix | were on our 5th attempt with 2 wipes per attempt usually |
| 21:26.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Maldivia: Have you ever used NeedyList? |
| 21:26.36 | Maldivia | nope |
| 21:26.36 | Tem | Well the fight is actually pretty easy |
| 21:26.41 | Tem | getting the FR is 80% |
| 21:26.58 | Tem | oh I suppose it helps that we blew something like 600g worth of potions |
| 21:27.02 | Shouryuu | FR totem FTW |
| 21:27.08 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:27.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Maldivia: There's no target selection, NeedyList is just a list of people with "needs" you select (debuff curing, healing, ressurection, etc.) |
| 21:27.35 | krka | would be pretty easy to build a "needylist" in GRAB :P |
| 21:27.41 | Corrodias | man, if i add anything more to my UI, i won't have anywhere to SEE through |
| 21:27.43 | Maldivia | GenNMX: does it prioritize? |
| 21:27.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Maldivia: It can |
| 21:27.55 | zespri | GenNMX, does watchdog support pets? |
| 21:28.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | zespri: Yes |
| 21:28.13 | Tem | lets see, 80 FR potions - 240g |
| 21:28.38 | Tem | 20 greater arcane elixirs - 60g |
| 21:28.54 | Shouryuu | those are cheap on your server apparantly |
| 21:29.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | NeedyList is most excellent to see who needs buffs or debuff curing, that's why I use it |
| 21:29.05 | Tem | 5 Flask of supreme power - 250g |
| 21:29.17 | Maldivia | GenNMX: well, I just have a raid UI, and if they have a curse, I can select them and cast spell on them - not that hard, considering I have 1.5sec between each cast to find the next person I want to remove curse on :) |
| 21:29.21 | Corrodias | i'm having trouble finding needylist |
| 21:29.21 | Tem | 5 Flask of chromatic resistance - 75g |
| 21:29.42 | Shouryuu | more than 600g =( |
| 21:29.42 | Tem | 5 Flask of Distilled wisdom - 250g |
| 21:29.43 | zespri | GenNMX, actually watchdog was the one I tried longest. Can't remember what it was that I finally had to move away from it. Have really to try again |
| 21:29.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: ui.worldofwar.net I think |
| 21:29.46 | Tem | ouch yeah |
| 21:29.57 | Shouryuu | maann drop rag and gimme a mount! |
| 21:30.06 | Tem | 2 Flask of Titans - 60g |
| 21:30.09 | Corrodias | nope. hmm. |
| 21:30.25 | Tem | s/60/120/ |
| 21:30.29 | zespri | GenNMX so it supports both player's pet and party pets too? |
| 21:30.35 | Corrodias | wait! is this it? http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1684 |
| 21:30.35 | Tem | ouch... I'm glad we made all these potions ourselves |
| 21:30.57 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:31.30 | Tem | I'm the official guild alchemist |
| 21:31.41 | Tem | So I made all the flasks |
| 21:31.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | Maldivia: Yeah, to each his own. I was just responding to "automatically selecting a target". NeedyList doesn't do that...HOWEVER you can bind a key to "fufill the 1st Need". I don't do that. |
| 21:31.46 | Corrodias | leatherworking sucks! >:( |
| 21:31.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | zespri: Yes |
| 21:32.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: Ys, that's it |
| 21:33.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | 4:30 already?! Need to go do a job, be back later... |
| 21:33.51 | Shouryuu | Corrodias - pick up Engineering and piss people off in PvP! |
| 21:37.13 | Corrodias | engineering is interesting. it sounds like alchemy makes you popular, too. |
| 21:37.13 | Shouryuu | ok, a Random Number Generator is basicly a function that swaps around the ones and zeros in a number in base 2? |
| 21:37.13 | Shouryuu | alch makes you broke as well |
| 21:37.13 | Shouryuu | and keeps you broke |
| 21:37.31 | Shouryuu | man maths are so poetic |
| 21:37.34 | krka | a random number generator is basically a function that returns a random number |
| 21:37.35 | krka | that's it |
| 21:37.54 | Shouryuu | Deterministic Chaos |
| 21:38.06 | Shouryuu | there are absolutely NO patterns in RNG? |
| 21:38.22 | krka | you could use radiactive decays to generate random numbers, those could be considered random |
| 21:38.34 | krka | by definition no |
| 21:38.38 | krka | there are PRNG too |
| 21:38.42 | krka | where P = Pseudo |
| 21:38.44 | Tem | Shouryuu: I disagree, I bought my epic mount off of selling potions |
| 21:39.03 | Shouryuu | I made more money selling the herbs than the pots |
| 21:39.15 | Tem | specifically Fire Protection and Major Mana |
| 21:39.32 | Shouryuu | yeah maybe |
| 21:39.36 | Tem | I can sell greater fire protections for 15-20g a stack |
| 21:39.43 | Shouryuu | I was jsut always broke with alch |
| 21:39.50 | Shouryuu | and with the mats? |
| 21:39.51 | Tem | and Major Mana for 20-30g a stack |
| 21:39.58 | Shouryuu | no one bought them on my server |
| 21:40.18 | Tem | odd |
| 21:40.30 | Corrodias | your server sucked |
| 21:40.41 | Corrodias | i bet it was one of them yuropean realms |
| 21:40.43 | Shouryuu | yeah =P |
| 21:40.46 | Shouryuu | nope |
| 21:40.49 | Shouryuu | Us blooood |
| 21:40.52 | Shouryuu | boulderfirst |
| 21:40.55 | Shouryuu | low pop though |
| 21:41.13 | Corrodias | and them chinars with their lunar festival |
| 21:41.17 | zespri | GenNMX, I think I know what WatchDog doesn't do. It doesn't deal with over-healing at all. |
| 21:42.45 | zespri | Someone on cosmostesters asked if somebody can recognize what unit frame mod is used on the screenshot http://www.vismaior.org/aqpics/hive_crawler_trash.jpg any ideas? |
| 21:43.21 | Tem | looks like discord to me |
| 21:43.23 | Corrodias | looks liek discord. |
| 21:43.37 | Tem | could be a modified WatchDog |
| 21:43.42 | Tem | or AceBarFrames |
| 21:43.50 | Corrodias | i remember seeing it in the themes section. i really liked it, but i couldn't get it to work. |
| 21:44.01 | Corrodias | the "custom layouts" page, with layouts you could download |
| 21:44.03 | zespri | ok thanks. as far as I understan discord can look like whatever you like =) |
| 21:44.07 | Cairenn | Beladona: you there? if so, go read staff forum, please |
| 21:44.16 | Beladona | kk |
| 21:44.23 | Corrodias | their instructions for how to use them were rather poor, so i discarded discord and went back to CTUF |
| 21:44.25 | Cairenn | afk to pick truck up from garage, will let others know when I get back, as appropriate |
| 21:46.16 | Shouryuu | man I am dislexic |
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| 21:46.28 | Shouryuu | I read "to pick up truck from garbage" |
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| 21:46.36 | Shouryuu | bad purl... mean |
| 21:47.00 | Corrodias | i'd love to give discord unitframes another try, but i'd have to get a much better explanation of 1) how to load one of those custom layouts and 2) how to not make it crash |
| 21:47.25 | Shouryuu | I love perl's |
| 21:47.33 | Shouryuu | Perl nymbia's Frame |
| 21:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Same :) |
| 21:47.42 | Tain | Ug I don't know what's worse, |
| 21:47.47 | Shouryuu | they really are th best :P |
| 21:48.00 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:48.11 | Tain | Not knowing how somethin works in Blizzard world, or finding out. |
| 21:48.49 | Corrodias | ah, the nymbia one. yes. i tried that, once. i don't remember how i liked it, but apparently something about it was uncomfortable or i'd still be using it |
| 21:48.59 | Corrodias | maybe it didn't scale with the rest of the UI |
| 21:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It has seperate scaling options |
| 21:49.10 | Shouryuu | You can scale them as tyou want to |
| 21:49.31 | Shouryuu | They are nice for healers imo |
| 21:49.33 | Corrodias | that may have been why. it was partway under my titan panel, if i remember. |
| 21:49.52 | Shouryuu | they are clear, visible, and non-intrusive |
| 21:49.59 | Corrodias | once again i must wonder why somebody has a visible combat log |
| 21:50.07 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:50.12 | Shouryuu | to look 1337 |
| 21:50.13 | Corrodias | and during a raid! |
| 21:50.26 | Shouryuu | I used to |
| 21:50.33 | Shouryuu | made me feel really 1337 |
| 21:50.37 | Tain | Some people like numbers. |
| 21:50.53 | Corrodias | that's going to be moving faster than a black man in a gas station HAHA just kidding |
| 21:50.56 | Tem | Caaaaiir |
| 21:51.01 | Shouryuu | lool |
| 21:51.01 | Tem | Make dolby turn em on |
| 21:51.01 | Corrodias | but how are you going to read anything in there? |
| 21:51.05 | Shouryuu | she's out |
| 21:51.08 | Tem | oh |
| 21:51.09 | Cairenn|afk | Tem: shhhhh |
| 21:51.11 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Carefullt? |
| 21:51.14 | ScytheBlade1 | *Carefully |
| 21:51.25 | Tem | I can't wait any longer |
| 21:52.23 | Shouryuu | what ye trouble be? |
| 21:52.26 | Shouryuu | mine beith lag |
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| 21:54.09 | Tain | So I finally go digging to figure out more about how default ActionButtons work, and switching action bars. |
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| 21:54.28 | Shouryuu | this beith Perl's Unit frames http://www.curse-gaming.com/modscreens.php?id=2889 |
| 21:54.55 | Shouryuu | the Radi UI is quite nice as well. The frame becomes redish when the player has a debuff on him |
| 21:54.58 | Tain | I figured Blizzard must have created 10 bars of 12 buttons, and then just swap bars. |
| 21:55.13 | Corrodias | the ONLY thing i dislike there is the low contrast between the health values and the background they're on. |
| 21:55.20 | Corrodias | otherwise i think i'll give it another shot |
| 21:55.52 | Tain | Yeah except no. The defaults use 12 buttons. Just 12 buttons. And swap out button ids rather than changing the buttons themselves. |
| 21:55.58 | Shouryuu | meh you're just being picky :P |
| 21:56.40 | Shouryuu | the raid UI is quite customizable as well. You can sort by class, or group |
| 21:57.13 | Iriel | Tain: I've already harassed slouken abotu the ugliness of the GetPageId function |
| 21:57.27 | Iriel | Tain : Or whatever it's called, I dont remember. |
| 21:57.30 | Tain | ug Iriel I had no idea it was so horrible. |
| 21:57.39 | Tain | Yeah GetPagedID |
| 21:57.57 | Iriel | Tain: It's only awful because instead of giving different button types a different method, they all share one big function |
| 21:58.00 | Tain | Button ID + action bar page - 1 * 12 |
| 21:58.41 | Iriel | I dont think there's a problem with using 12 physical buttons mapping to 120 virtual ones, that's quite economical. |
| 21:58.45 | Beladona | heading home |
| 21:59.08 | Tain | Sure, but they they add on bottom left, bottom right, left, right, action bars |
| 21:59.25 | Tain | And now you've defeated the purpose of it since you've got the bars all over the place. |
| 21:59.48 | Corrodias | it takes bars 3 through 6 and puts them out on the screen :) i like that |
| 22:00.39 | Tain | Ok ok it works fine for the Blizzard UI. I guess I shouldn't be complaining about it like that. |
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| 22:01.10 | Iriel | It's a bitch to extend, that's really the biggest problem. |
| 22:01.16 | Tain | Yep. |
| 22:01.38 | Iriel | Even blizzard's implementation is awkward, but slouken did acknowledge that so I think we just have to sit back and hope they re-work it sometime |
| 22:02.14 | Iriel | I had to do some nasty hooks for PocketHelper |
| 22:02.17 | Tem | A lot of them problem there is probably that they were learning Lua as they were writing the interface |
| 22:02.30 | Tem | s/them/the/ |
| 22:02.47 | Tain | And I loves me some PocketHelper. |
| 22:03.32 | Iriel | I make so much more money with my rogue since I wrote that. |
| 22:03.53 | Tem | is pickpocketing less of a pain now? |
| 22:03.59 | Tem | so you actually do it? |
| 22:04.18 | Corrodias | wrote what? |
| 22:04.18 | Tain | I did it with PH. |
| 22:04.23 | Tain | Hell I couldn't stop myself. |
| 22:04.28 | Corrodias | oh, pockethelper.. |
| 22:05.07 | Shouryuu | Tem, I don't know why, but each time I see them fool tem|food I just smile |
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| 22:10.26 | Tain | Oh wow. So now I looked at what FlexBar is doing. There's.. 3 or 4? .. extra layers of "stuff" per button on top of what the default action buttons have. |
| 22:12.12 | Shouryuu | Is flexbar really THAT bad? |
| 22:12.49 | Tain | I never really have used it. I just wasn't expecting to see additional frames and layers added on every single button. |
| 22:13.10 | Shouryuu | I use it |
| 22:13.15 | Shouryuu | I like it... |
| 22:13.32 | Tain | Sure a lot of pepole do, it does have a lot of functionality. |
| 22:14.03 | Shouryuu | Only thing I've heard about it here is "the code is bad" |
| 22:14.10 | Shouryuu | it got me all sad =( |
| 22:14.25 | Tain | There's just a lot of it. heh |
| 22:14.59 | Tain | Some of the things that are in FlexBar to make it easier for the user to configure add to it taking up a lot more memory. But that's the tradeoff. |
| 22:15.30 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 22:16.12 | Tain | Besides, it's not like I know what I'm doing. :) |
| 22:16.20 | Shouryuu | hehehe |
| 22:16.35 | Ratbert_CP | Tain: Multiple text items are a bear... |
| 22:17.43 | Tain | Yeah, I was surprised to see that though. Possibly just because of my own ignorance, but do people use that many separate text strings on a button? |
| 22:17.58 | Ratbert_CP | Some do... |
| 22:18.15 | Ratbert_CP | Usually, no more than two, but I'm sure some folks run w/ three |
| 22:18.56 | Ratbert_CP | Especially if you have a custom script that has a left/right click differentiation, and tossed in a custom icon for both actions, and both require ingredients... |
| 22:19.02 | Tain | hehe I can just picture an entire UI of blank graphic buttons, all text. "Press this button to cast fireball" |
| 22:19.15 | Shouryuu | ooookkk RNG are ffarr too complicated for me. I'll wait a decade or two before looking at them again |
| 22:19.35 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:20.00 | Tain | And that brings me back to doing an ASCII art UI overhaul. |
| 22:20.12 | Shouryuu | ASCII? |
| 22:20.22 | Shouryuu | I feel so... |
| 22:20.24 | Shouryuu | UIgnorant |
| 22:20.37 | Shouryuu | +P |
| 22:20.39 | Tain | Just using text and letters, Shouryuu :) |
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| 22:21.11 | Tain | I I for frame sides. __ for frame bottoms |
| 22:21.37 | Shouryuu | oohhh |
| 22:21.38 | Shouryuu | thattt |
| 22:21.48 | Shouryuu | the ******** and &%^#@ that make up drawings... |
| 22:22.06 | Tain | Yes! :) |
| 22:22.12 | Shouryuu | I r gud |
| 22:22.56 | Shouryuu | ASCII porn... http://www.chris.com/ascii/ |
| 22:24.21 | Shouryuu | oh well |
| 22:24.23 | Shouryuu | time for bed |
| 22:24.26 | Shouryuu | 'night |
| 22:24.28 | Shouryuu | young ones |
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| 22:51.53 | cladhaire | EVening |
| 22:55.50 | Beladona | hiya |
| 22:58.23 | Maldivia | [bitching mode] Hmm, I wonder if the forums would run better if they didn't ran on IIS6... |
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| 22:59.54 | Ktron_ | woah, heh, BitchX is _oldschool_ |
| 23:00.14 | Maldivia | not really.... |
| 23:00.28 | Ktr|xterm | I'm in console mode |
| 23:00.38 | Maldivia | ircII - that's oldschool :) |
| 23:01.15 | Ktr|xterm | heh, true, don't think that's even available through YaST these days |
| 23:01.48 | Maldivia | don't even know what YaST is :) |
| 23:02.18 | Ktr|xterm | Yet another... something... thing... oh, it's part of SuSe |
| 23:02.28 | Maldivia | so the suse package manager ? |
| 23:02.39 | Ktr|xterm | yeah, effectively |
| 23:02.44 | Maldivia | yet another setup tool |
| 23:02.56 | Ktr|xterm | ah |
| 23:03.24 | Maldivia | I've never used SuSE, and most likely never will (luckily) |
| 23:05.43 | Ktr|xterm | Why? don't like linux, or just suse? |
| 23:14.39 | Maldivia | don't like Linux |
| 23:14.45 | Maldivia | more a BSD-man |
| 23:18.40 | Beladona | Maldivia: what forums? |
| 23:18.44 | Beladona | running on iis6 |
| 23:18.52 | Maldivia | wow-forums |
| 23:18.57 | Beladona | they aren't |
| 23:19.00 | Beladona | Apache |
| 23:19.48 | Maldivia | Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 |
| 23:19.48 | Maldivia | X-Powered-By: ASP.NET |
| 23:20.04 | Beladona | where are you getting that |
| 23:20.21 | Maldivia | Connected to forums.worldofwarcraft.com. |
| 23:20.22 | Maldivia | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 23:20.22 | Maldivia | HEAD / HTTP/1.1 |
| 23:20.33 | Beladona | oh ok, i see now |
| 23:20.39 | Beladona | I was looking at wow.com |
| 23:20.47 | Beladona | the main page is apache |
| 23:24.09 | Maldivia | hmm... wow.com returns "Server: Apache" |
| 23:24.16 | Beladona | can't believe they are using an asp based forum |
| 23:24.22 | Beladona | yeah I know |
| 23:24.39 | Maldivia | a funny server-string... |
| 23:25.13 | Maldivia | normally it contains version etc aswell |
| 23:25.40 | Maldivia | something like: Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) PHP/4.3.10 |
| 23:25.58 | Beladona | right |
| 23:28.58 | Maldivia | well, the main server is using J2EE, dont know if it's on top of Apache, or a spoofed server string |
| 23:29.13 | Beladona | why would you bother spoofing |
| 23:29.51 | Beladona | I believe the forums are externally hosted, while the main site is at their datacenter |
| 23:31.02 | Maldivia | naah |
| 23:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Host externally? Really? |
| 23:31.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Hosting that ASP//MSSQL mess externally? |
| 23:31.16 | Maldivia | forums.worldofwarcraft.com has address 12.129.217.203 |
| 23:31.27 | Maldivia | www.worldofwarcraft.com is a nickname for worldofwarcraft.com |
| 23:31.27 | Maldivia | worldofwarcraft.com has address 12.129.217.201 |
| 23:31.41 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha, CNAMEs |
| 23:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Lazy |
| 23:33.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge qwxyr (i=qw@201.80-202-198.nextgentel.com) |
| 23:33.51 | ScytheBlade1 | The giveaway that they use MSSQL, the random errors aside |
| 23:34.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Is the inability to post something that ends in a ] |
| 23:34.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm, MSSQL, good times |
| 23:36.12 | Beladona | atens.com |
| 23:36.16 | Beladona | err attens.com |
| 23:36.18 | AnduinLothar | hey Cairenn |
| 23:36.24 | Cairenn | yo |
| 23:36.29 | AnduinLothar | email? |
| 23:36.51 | Cairenn | cairenn@wowinterface.com |
| 23:37.26 | AnduinLothar | nah I know it. Have you read yours |
| 23:37.45 | Cairenn | just reading now |
| 23:38.15 | Maldivia | Beladona: yeah, it's on AT&Ts net |
| 23:39.14 | Maldivia | or rather, hosted at AT&T |
| 23:40.23 | Beladona | doesn't mean much |
| 23:40.32 | Beladona | could be their bandwidth provider |
| 23:40.45 | Maldivia | yeah, ok |
| 23:40.47 | Maldivia | that's true |
| 23:40.48 | Beladona | which explains some things |
| 23:40.53 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 23:41.49 | Beladona | yeah |
| 23:41.50 | Beladona | it is |
| 23:43.41 | Beladona | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=!NET-12-129-217-192-1&server=whois.arin.net |
| 23:45.26 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: congrats, and wow, congrats to him, too |
| 23:45.34 | Cairenn | I emailed back |
| 23:47.45 | Cairenn | so is this when I start bribing you? |
| 23:48.02 | Beladona | guess we won't be seeing Anduin around as much anymore |
| 23:48.06 | AnduinLothar | wait for the news post |
| 23:48.34 | AnduinLothar | as for the job, i still have no word yet |
| 23:48.59 | Beladona | oh |
| 23:49.13 | Cairenn | I was saying congrats re the email :p |
| 23:49.15 | Beladona | then I know nothing |
| 23:49.26 | AnduinLothar | :P wheee secrets |
| 23:49.45 | Cairenn | Beladona: http://www.cosmosui.org/ |
| 23:49.45 | AnduinLothar | http://www.cosmosui.org/ |
| 23:49.50 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 23:49.52 | Cairenn | heh, too slow AnduinLothar ;) |
| 23:49.53 | Beladona | jinx |
| 23:50.44 | Beladona | red5? |
| 23:50.47 | Beladona | are they new? |
| 23:51.04 | Cairenn | newish |
| 23:51.16 | Cairenn | bunch of Blizz folks that left and started their own company |
| 23:52.36 | Beladona | wel congrats Anduin |
| 23:52.38 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ToastTheif (i=ToastThe@24-177-164-255.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 23:52.52 | Beladona | I will be watching them with interest to see what they are making |
| 23:52.58 | ToastTheif | what do I have to add to the dependacies if I want an addon to load at the AH? |
| 23:53.10 | Cairenn | so Bela, now is when we start sucking up to him to get him to make WoWI the official host for Cosmos ;) |
| 23:53.19 | Beladona | lol |
| 23:53.23 | Beladona | well.... |
| 23:53.26 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:53.29 | Beladona | <shuts up> |
| 23:54.31 | Beladona | Anduin, are there a lot of people on the team? |
| 23:54.48 | Beladona | cosmos I mean |
| 23:54.57 | AnduinLothar | depends on how you define active |
| 23:55.12 | Beladona | lol |
| 23:55.45 | AnduinLothar | we have two tiers. Programmers and Helpers. |
| 23:56.03 | AnduinLothar | helpers also includes our web staff |
