| 00:03.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | There have always been G15 threads, and there always will be. Blame Logitech for actually marketing the G15 with mentioning WoW by name, yet failing to mention it doesn't support the LCD. Yet one must ask, WHO CARES ABOUT THE LCD?! We have a huge Lua backend to basically change every piece of the UI and more. The LCD is useless. |
| 00:04.02 | cladhaire | but are there any UI's that use the G15 LCD? |
| 00:04.12 | cladhaire | Thunderfury should be blue, not epic. |
| 00:04.23 | cladhaire | Is Decursive banned? |
| 00:05.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | cladhaire: That's the entire reason for the controversy! The G15 LCD requires support by the game, and WoW does not support it. |
| 00:05.22 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:05.23 | cladhaire | I know. |
| 00:05.26 | cladhaire | just being a pain |
| 00:05.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Or are you just quoting random controversies? |
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| 00:08.02 | Iriel | Meetings do decrease worker morale, mine anyway. |
| 00:08.06 | pagefault | an LCD needs support to work? |
| 00:08.13 | Iriel | They're an unfortunately necessary evil. |
| 00:08.19 | Iriel | pagefault : It needs game support to display game related data |
| 00:08.26 | pagefault | oh |
| 00:08.27 | pagefault | that thing |
| 00:08.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | pagefault: It's a LCD connected by USB, attached to the G15. |
| 00:08.46 | pagefault | yeah |
| 00:08.49 | pagefault | I was thinking LCD monitor |
| 00:09.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: There is such a thing as excessive, but I don't know your prediciment. |
| 00:09.20 | pagefault | I wish WoW would support dual screens |
| 00:09.23 | pagefault | that would be the best |
| 00:10.32 | Iriel | You mean stretched across 2? |
| 00:12.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'd worry about The Dead Zone (not the tv screen) |
| 00:12.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | (not the tv show) |
| 00:14.34 | Iriel | I suspect you'll want to see how 1.10 handles them |
| 00:14.46 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae | This week - excessive. Normally not so bad. |
| 00:14.52 | pagefault | Iriel: yeah or at least allow UI on both |
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| 00:24.24 | Ktron | what's the name of the aced totemtimer-like addon? |
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| 00:24.41 | cladhaire | Ktron: AceTimer/Hoolitool |
| 00:24.54 | cladhaire | http://www.wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=440&highlight=&sid=14207b524cdb3c8108aa928d5d0ca00f |
| 00:24.56 | Ktron | thanks cladhaire |
| 00:25.00 | cladhaire | OMG you're welcome |
| 00:25.06 | kremonte_ | jeez people really don't pay attention to their 404 pages =( |
| 00:25.15 | cladhaire | lol.. who's this time? |
| 00:25.21 | kremonte_ | http://worldofwarcraft.com/asdasdasd.html |
| 00:25.35 | kremonte_ | "World of Warcraft Account Creation - 404 Files Not Found" |
| 00:25.36 | Ktron | though wowace doesn't seem to be loading :(... heh, are you the author cladhaire ? |
| 00:25.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Do you have that bookmarked clad? Because I can't get in to wowace.com. |
| 00:25.55 | cladhaire | GenNMX: I can right now.. lemme get you alink |
| 00:26.04 | cladhaire | http://www.rasmuskl.dk/addons/AceTimerR3.zip |
| 00:26.08 | cladhaire | requires Timex |
| 00:26.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | cladhaire: No no, I'm just checking about www.wowace.com |
| 00:26.21 | cladhaire | Ktron: I'm not.. |
| 00:26.26 | cladhaire | I can get to wowace. |
| 00:26.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | I use AceTimer myself |
| 00:26.32 | cladhaire | i'm special apparently =) |
| 00:26.54 | cladhaire | its all those "special favors" i give Kael. |
| 00:26.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | cladhaire: Hold down SHIFT and hit the refresh key |
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| 00:27.15 | cladhaire | lol its not a cache.. I have full access to the website. |
| 00:27.32 | cladhaire | perhaps its another crazy wacky internet split! |
| 00:27.47 | kremonte_ | same here, can't get on =( |
| 00:27.50 | kremonte_ | esplit ftl |
| 00:28.04 | cladhaire | well i can link and get anything you want..USE me.. help me help you. |
| 00:28.08 | cladhaire | tho most of them should be up on WoWI. |
| 00:28.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | I can't even resolve www.wowace.com |
| 00:28.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | cladhaire: Gimmie the IP? |
| 00:28.55 | cladhaire | thats weird.. |
| 00:28.56 | cladhaire | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=wowace.com&type=A |
| 00:29.01 | cladhaire | neither can the root DNS servers |
| 00:29.18 | kremonte_ | wierd |
| 00:29.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | cladhaire: Do "nslookup www.wowace.com" if you're on Windows for its IP |
| 00:30.16 | Ktron | Ace 1.2.5, Release 10/11/2005... probably not up-to-date, huh? |
| 00:30.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | Maybe you have the IP cache'd, and its DNS servers are down again |
| 00:30.25 | cladhaire | Ace 1.3 is current |
| 00:30.35 | cladhaire | 64.233.161.104 should be current ip |
| 00:31.01 | Ktron | no, that's Google English |
| 00:31.07 | cladhaire | haha |
| 00:31.07 | cladhaire | k |
| 00:31.09 | Iriel | Its domain servers (NS1.GUILDEASE.COM / NS2.GUILDEASE.COM) aren't helping |
| 00:31.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes that's Google |
| 00:31.53 | cladhaire | anyone have any idea how to poll the local cache? |
| 00:32.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | cladhaire: nslookup |
| 00:32.19 | cladhaire | nslookup polls your dns server.. not the local cache. |
| 00:32.21 | cladhaire | it forces a lookup |
| 00:32.25 | cladhaire | and my dns server doesn't ave it. |
| 00:32.25 | Iriel | It's not a local cache issue |
| 00:32.29 | cladhaire | oops. |
| 00:32.36 | cladhaire | and its gone for me =) |
| 00:32.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | But if the lookup fails, it should go back to cache |
| 00:32.46 | Iriel | The domain's listed nameservers dont have it |
| 00:32.52 | Ktron | I remember why I stopped using Aced addons! my SpecialEvents addon (req for a few addons) keep giving me errors and so on |
| 00:32.55 | Iriel | or just plain aren't responding |
| 00:32.57 | cladhaire | Iriel: I've been able to access it without that.. so we were trying to get the IP from my leet infoz. |
| 00:33.13 | cladhaire | Iriel: We know the DNS servers are scrizzewed.. I just can't do anything about it =) |
| 00:33.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Anyway, your first DNS server is probably your router, NOT a specific DNS server, and your router probably caches. So when you do a nslookup, it'll ask your router. |
| 00:33.48 | Iriel | cladhaire : Do you need a better DNS server? |
| 00:33.52 | cladhaire | Thrae: I admin networks all day long.. it was querying the roadrunner dns server cache |
| 00:34.01 | cladhaire | Iriel: Its Kaelten's website.. I just post there =) |
| 00:34.02 | Iriel | I'd be willing to secondary it for you |
| 00:34.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | cladhaire: Ah, sorry for the assumption. |
| 00:34.13 | cladhaire | Iriel: He's looking at hosting options as we speak.. and may have moved the site without telling us =) |
| 00:34.19 | Iriel | Ah.. fair enough 8-) |
| 00:34.22 | Iriel | Time to go home |
| 00:34.25 | cladhaire | Thrae: Np =) |
| 00:34.29 | cladhaire | Have a safe trip home Iriel |
| 00:34.43 | Iriel | cladhaire : Have him email me if he needs a DNS secondary, though hopefully his provider can do it for him |
| 00:34.53 | Ktron | don't let any campers get you Iriel |
| 00:35.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well he can't move it without changing its IP, unless he moves to somewhere within the same network... |
| 00:35.40 | cladhaire | *nod* well i can't get to it now |
| 00:35.44 | cladhaire | so i guess we'll have to wait =) |
| 00:42.59 | ToastTheif | zomg |
| 00:43.03 | ToastTheif | where is the Tain |
| 00:45.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Visor trouble? |
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| 01:00.09 | ToastTheif | ya |
| 01:00.13 | ToastTheif | Visor trouble fo sho |
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| 01:00.51 | ToastTheif | key bindings aren't working with Visor |
| 01:00.53 | ToastTheif | dunno why |
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| 01:02.21 | Kaelten | ellow |
| 01:04.30 | ToastTheif | hey Kael |
| 01:04.35 | ToastTheif | you know much about Visor? |
| 01:06.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | ToastTheif: I know a bit about Visor, what's the problem? |
| 01:07.57 | cladhaire | Hey Kael =) |
| 01:08.16 | ToastTheif | cool |
| 01:08.18 | ToastTheif | well |
| 01:08.27 | ToastTheif | with my ONE of my characters |
| 01:08.47 | ToastTheif | the regular blizz key bindings aren't working with Visor enabled |
| 01:09.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | ToastTheif: Generally it's not a good idea to mix Visor and Blizz action buttons. Is there any reason why? |
| 01:09.50 | ToastTheif | well I didn't do much |
| 01:09.56 | ToastTheif | just hid the backround of the main bar |
| 01:10.04 | ToastTheif | and moved it to the center of my screeen |
| 01:10.14 | ToastTheif | same setup works on my lock |
| 01:10.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | ToastTheif: http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/EasyVisor_v0.1.zip |
| 01:11.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | That contains a script to properly hide the MainMenuBar and replace your action buttons with Visor Buttons |
| 01:11.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Then you'll assign your keys to Visor Action Buttons 1-12 instead of the normal Action Buttons |
| 01:12.03 | ToastTheif | well I am a warrior, so when I switch stances I like how the main bar auto-switches |
| 01:12.07 | ToastTheif | I know I can do that with visor |
| 01:12.15 | ToastTheif | but it's much easier like this :) |
| 01:12.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | ToastTheif: Yes, I play a Druid. I made the script auto-switch when I shapeshift, a Rogue stealths, or a Warrior changes stances. |
| 01:12.52 | Depherios | I don't like how the main bar only partially switches... so I've done it with Flexbar, and DAB XD |
| 01:13.00 | Corrodias | partially? |
| 01:13.10 | Depherios | only teh MAIN bar, none of the secondary action bars change |
| 01:14.02 | ToastTheif | ya |
| 01:14.06 | Depherios | but I'm not talking for stances or shapeshifting, it's okay for those mostly... -- I'm just talking for paging for hotkeys |
| 01:14.20 | Depherios | prefer them clustered to strung out anyway ^_^ |
| 01:14.31 | ToastTheif | well Im just wondering why it works on my lock |
| 01:14.33 | ToastTheif | but not on my warr |
| 01:14.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | ToastTheif: So when using "/evz mainmenubar hide", it will automatically register the event and script to change buttons 1-12 when you change stances. |
| 01:14.55 | Depherios | warrior stances aren't buffs like druid shapeshifts are they? |
| 01:15.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Depherios: They're Auras, and Auras are technically Buffs. |
| 01:16.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | ToastTheif: Yes, I had a world of trouble when I tried to use the regular Blizz action buttons instead of the Visor Action Buttons. If you use Visor to change the action buttons, you should just replace the buttons with Visor Action Buttons. |
| 01:16.21 | ToastTheif | doesn't make sense that the key binidngs would work on one char and not another |
| 01:17.23 | Corrodias | i'm just miffed that wow-lua doesn't support collectgarbage() |
| 01:18.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | ToastTheif: I'm quoting Tain here -- he says "if you're having problems with the Blizz buttons, use the Visor buttons instead. That's what they're for." |
| 01:18.52 | Corrodias | i should look at visor and see what it can do.. |
| 01:19.44 | Tem | it can do just about everything |
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| 01:19.58 | Tem | getting it to work how you want it is somewhat challenging though |
| 01:20.02 | ToastTheif | yes yes, but the blizz bars are so nice and set up for me |
| 01:20.11 | ToastTheif | I just have to hide the borders and I win |
| 01:20.19 | ToastTheif | but NOOOO key bindings hate me |
| 01:20.59 | Corrodias | it can do everything? can it make collectgarbage() work? ;P |
| 01:21.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | ToastTheif: I'm saying, one of the reasons I made EasyVisor was to give people an easy way to replace the Blizz action buttons with Visor Action buttons. NOTHING will change, except the MainMenuBar will be hidden like most people like. |
| 01:21.28 | ToastTheif | Yes, Im just stubborn |
| 01:23.01 | ToastTheif | there must be some reason |
| 01:24.19 | ToastTheif | I don't really like "work arounds" I guess you would call it, I like to fix the real problem :) |
| 01:24.46 | Depherios | I had flexbar on Day 2 of my World of Warcraft experience XD |
| 01:25.25 | ToastTheif | <3 Flexbar |
| 01:25.31 | ToastTheif | just to resource intensive for me |
| 01:25.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | ToastTheif: The reason you should replace the default action buttons if you play a shapeshifting character with Visor Action BUttons is because if you change the parent of any other button other then 1-12, when you shapeshift, those buttons will change too |
| 01:25.38 | Depherios | <3 my computer XD |
| 01:26.22 | ToastTheif | no no, I just bought a new comp |
| 01:26.22 | Corrodias | wait wait, if you change the parent... what |
| 01:27.30 | ToastTheif | but I like to be as efficant (sp?) as I can all the time :) |
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| 01:27.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: Buttons are frames, and frames almost always have a parent (if just the general UIParent). If you hide or change the scale of the parent, you change its children too. |
| 01:27.50 | Depherios | I usually do, you should see my minimal interface XD |
| 01:28.03 | Tain | Default button/bar behavior is different than I originally thought. |
| 01:28.15 | Depherios | but I have the resources to spare |
| 01:28.21 | Tain | Now that I understand it fully.. I dunno. |
| 01:28.25 | Depherios | and I already run Advanced Bags Plus |
| 01:28.32 | Corrodias | so what would you change their parent to? |
| 01:28.36 | Depherios | which is uber resource sucker 9000 >_< |
| 01:29.03 | cladhaire | I love KCI's auction broker stuff. |
| 01:29.06 | cladhaire | I farm runecloth. |
| 01:29.11 | cladhaire | then alt click.. and make tons of money =) |
| 01:29.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | Corrodias: Well, say you want to make a bar that only shows when you have a target. Easy way would be to parent it to your target frame. |
| 01:29.19 | Depherios | I need to try 'em I run Auctioneer now |
| 01:29.26 | Depherios | I'd just hate to lose my data XD |
| 01:29.50 | cladhaire | I set the cut to about 70% market value.. and over half my crap greens sold =) |
| 01:30.14 | cladhaire | but the economy on my server is screwed =) |
| 01:32.11 | Corrodias | so KCI is.. a single addon to provide the funcitonality of about 4 other existing addons? |
| 01:32.18 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:32.25 | cladhaire | you can disable some of the extra functionality |
| 01:32.35 | cladhaire | i've been impressed with it.. and my memory usage isn't impacted all that much |
| 01:32.37 | Corrodias | so 4 "or fewer" |
| 01:33.36 | Corrodias | hm, that's actually a pretty decent font they're using in those screenshots |
| 01:33.42 | cladhaire | for clearfont? |
| 01:33.54 | cladhaire | i'm just curious as to whether or not its a commercial font.. but i haven't downloaded. |
| 01:34.10 | Corrodias | i don't know.. the only place i have found KCI is at http://worldofwarcraft.filefront.com/file/KCItems;45832 |
| 01:34.26 | cladhaire | its at wowinterface.com |
| 01:34.33 | cladhaire | Kael's a moderator at WoWI =) |
| 01:34.43 | Corrodias | i must not search right |
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| 01:34.56 | Corrodias | since i already have the addons that it replaces (of which i would use), is there any reason i should consider it? |
| 01:35.06 | Corrodias | *(those of which |
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| 01:35.14 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4040 |
| 01:35.51 | cladhaire | you can always backup WTF and interface and try it out. |
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| 01:37.50 | Corrodias | well, yes, but if it doesn't do anything i don't already have, is there a point? >_> unless it's pretty or something, but it looks about the same |
| 01:38.20 | cladhaire | its pretty lean on memory usage |
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| 01:38.25 | cladhaire | and i just like the way it works.. the UI, etc. |
| 01:41.59 | Corrodias | ah |
| 01:44.27 | Corrodias | i've probably delayed long enough. now i should try out some other drivers. if it goes right, i'll be back in a while. |
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| 03:12.59 | ToastTheif | GenNMX |
| 03:13.05 | ToastTheif | you still here? |
| 03:22.41 | ToastTheif | *phew* |
| 03:22.47 | ToastTheif | well I think I found the bug |
| 03:28.18 | ToastTheif | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=308873 |
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| 03:55.38 | zespri | Actually I think that OP has very valid point http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/6809715.htm |
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| 04:13.08 | net | Some of you might be interested in helping : ) http://www.curse-gaming.com/ |
| 04:18.01 | Iriel | I need to swing by and put up my 1.9 updates! |
| 04:18.39 | net | :) |
| 04:18.45 | net | Might be a good idear!:) |
| 04:21.12 | Legorol | net, i have a comment about the "culling" |
| 04:21.23 | Legorol | i suggest you don't remove the addons, but instead just move them to the "discontinued" section |
| 04:21.36 | Legorol | and set up the search page so it doesn't search discontinued addons by default |
| 04:21.50 | net | yes that s what i have in mind :) |
| 04:23.40 | Legorol | excellent |
| 04:33.22 | Ktron | Tem, you there? |
| 04:33.31 | Tem | sort of |
| 04:33.33 | Tem | I'm in MC atm |
| 04:33.45 | Tem | but waiting on the garr pull so I've got a few minutes |
| 04:34.08 | Ktron | heh |
| 04:34.12 | Ktron | I was going to ask about... |
| 04:34.22 | Ktron | ItemCompare |
| 04:34.45 | Ktron | Mostly, are you still working on it? |
| 04:35.14 | Tem | yeah |
| 04:35.34 | Tem | I badly need to clean up the parsing |
| 04:36.18 | Tem | afk, Garr fight |
| 04:37.17 | Ktron | k |
| 04:53.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-general&ThreadID=6813857 <-- how does this look? |
| 04:54.44 | Tem | I HATE warlocks |
| 04:55.13 | zeetg | http://wowguru.com/dce/edit_table.php?table_name=a_bestiary - the coolest idea *ever* |
| 04:55.14 | zeetg | :D |
| 04:55.30 | zeetg | i started that like 2-3 years ago when i worked for warcry, never got far tho |
| 04:56.06 | zeetg | err wtf |
| 04:56.26 | zeetg | http://wowguru.com/dce/edit_table.php?table_name=dont_delete_my_examples_niggs |
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| 04:57.12 | Iriel | Hey slouken! |
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| 04:57.21 | slouken | Hey Iriel! :) |
| 04:57.31 | Iriel | Free from baby burden for a few? |
| 04:57.51 | zeetg | GR |
| 04:57.54 | Corrodias | well. these 61.77's seem to run okay. |
| 04:58.08 | slouken | yep, she's asleep. :) |
| 04:58.49 | Iriel | Blessed tranquility 8-) |
| 04:59.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wob (n=wob@83.210.83.8) |
| 04:59.26 | Corrodias | now i just have to make a ZF run to see if my wow is stable with this set |
| 04:59.34 | Tem | oh hi slouken |
| 04:59.37 | Wob | Woot. Hello from 30thou feet up =P |
| 04:59.46 | slouken | Hi Tem |
| 04:59.47 | Corrodias | up what? |
| 04:59.55 | slouken | She's doing well, actually. :) |
| 05:00.15 | Tem | well that's good |
| 05:00.19 | Wob | In the sky =( |
| 05:00.21 | Wob | er =) |
| 05:00.27 | Iriel | Abusing airline internet services? |
| 05:00.28 | Wob | I'm on a plane =) |
| 05:00.29 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 05:00.31 | Wob | absolutely |
| 05:00.41 | Wob | They offered me a free half hour, how can I turn them down? |
| 05:00.50 | Corrodias | they have an ethernet connection, or something? i hear you can't use wireless devices |
| 05:00.59 | Wob | Nah, it's wireless =P |
| 05:01.08 | Wob | They apparantly got over that restriction |
| 05:01.09 | Corrodias | yousa gonna crash |
| 05:01.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | I can see Wob now...Flight Attendant: "Please sir, turn your wireless laptop off!!!" Wob:"I can't, I need to land this plane!!" |
| 05:01.37 | Wob | They won't allow mobile phones, but wireless internet seems rightio |
| 05:01.54 | Iriel | I think the mobile phone tihng is in part not to mess with the ground equipment. |
| 05:01.58 | Wob | hehe I'll play MS's Flight sim, and it'll hook into the plane =P |
| 05:02.09 | Corrodias | ah, well, different frequency band. |
| 05:02.25 | Iriel | A sales guy today had one of those Verizon wireless broadband cards, I want one but I can't figure out how to make work get one for me 8-( |
| 05:02.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Your mobile phone and wireless both use a radio frequency, but a mobile phone is a lot closer to the radio frequencies used in pilot to ground communications (hence the new line of "push to talk" phones) |
| 05:03.20 | Corrodias | i should get a CB and start driving. |
| 05:03.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | I should say plane to ground communications, since the plane's computer is automatically updated via both sat and ground |
| 05:03.53 | slouken | via the internet. ;-) |
| 05:04.15 | Corrodias | i don't suppose you're on eldre'thalas |
| 05:04.21 | slouken | Iriel, I just played WoW at 3200x1200 :) |
| 05:04.33 | Iriel | Ooh.. non-stretched? |
| 05:04.35 | Corrodias | (which, by the way, no longer seems to be an unstable or buggy realm, but rather is performing pretty well) |
| 05:04.37 | slouken | yep. :) |
| 05:04.40 | Tem | oh you lucky lucky man |
| 05:04.43 | Iriel | Excellent, 1.10 will be fun! |
| 05:04.47 | slouken | It's got some kinks with the particles, but yay! |
| 05:04.57 | Tem | yay indeed |
| 05:04.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | I should do my work via the Internet. Build a rudimentary robot to replace computer parts. "Your problem is you not having a surge protector. Thank you for buying Dell." |
| 05:05.04 | Iriel | if you can make it do my monitor pair without messing up one of the screens i'll be doubly impressed |
| 05:05.09 | slouken | Yeah, I fixed it so the UI was on one monitor and the game on the other. :) |
| 05:05.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | But then I'd get calls about the robot going on murderous rampages after finding "heart", etc. |
| 05:05.26 | Iriel | Can I put that in the 1.10 update notes then? |
| 05:05.31 | slouken | No, not yet. |
| 05:05.33 | Iriel | Or should I wait until we break it? |
| 05:05.34 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 05:05.39 | Corrodias | the.. ui is on a separate monitor? |
| 05:05.41 | slouken | It's got to go through Q/A |
| 05:05.54 | Iriel | QA, and then Tem? |
| 05:05.59 | Tem | mmm I like breaking things |
| 05:06.02 | slouken | Yeah. :) |
| 05:06.22 | Tem | Can blizzard give me a big monitor to try it with? |
| 05:06.43 | slouken | If you send me a video card, I'll um, test it. ;-) |
| 05:06.48 | slouken | j/k |
| 05:06.50 | Tem | psh |
| 05:06.53 | Corrodias | a 52" HDTV/monitor |
| 05:07.12 | Tem | my video card is terrible |
| 05:07.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | If Blizzard is anything like the gaming Quality Assurance place I used to work, you play console games on a 15" TV and PC games on a 15" CRT |
| 05:07.28 | Iriel | Would you need us to send you a 2nd monitor also? |
| 05:07.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | And they have one 42" HDTV for the "cool testers" |
| 05:07.40 | Iriel | maybe just 2 matching ones, you know, for balance? |
| 05:09.09 | slouken | Sure, make 'em flatscreen while you're at it |
| 05:11.02 | Tain | How about 2048x768? |
| 05:14.03 | Tem | Iriel: Send em to me |
| 05:14.12 | Tem | I could really use a new monitor |
| 05:14.18 | Tem | (or 2) |
| 05:14.28 | Iriel | heh, I've still got a CRT to flat-panel-icise some day |
| 05:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ! It's a slouken! |
| 05:14.45 | Iriel | sadly the last person to get a new screen in this household was my fiancee, so I'm out of luck for a while |
| 05:14.51 | Corrodias | A slouken appears. Command? |
| 05:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe |
| 05:15.11 | Tain | The Wumpus is nearby |
| 05:15.14 | ScytheBlade1 | There was a question I had earlier on (this week?), that while we came up with a good answer, I'm still curious |
| 05:15.15 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.17 | Corrodias | Thou art dead. |
| 05:15.44 | Tain | But my name isn't Art. |
| 05:15.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Whenever I click any channeled spell, SPELLCAST_STOP is fired *first*. |
| 05:16.00 | ScytheBlade1 | In sum: why? ;) |
| 05:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | The general consensus to it, was that it was needed to ensure that no other spell was being cast at that time, kind of a 'just in case' thing |
| 05:16.38 | slouken | You start a cast, you stop a cast, you start a channel. |
| 05:16.50 | Tain | You put your right foot in, you put your right foot out |
| 05:16.53 | slouken | I was just looking at that code last week. :) |
| 05:16.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Tain |
| 05:17.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe, so, I'm still curious though |
| 05:17.20 | Tain | You do the sloukey-pokey and y... ok that's going too far. |
| 05:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It fires STOP, CHANNELING_START, STOP, CHANNELING_STOP |
| 05:17.33 | slouken | Bug |
| 05:17.39 | slouken | That's what I fixed. :) |
| 05:17.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Should it be --- YAY! |
| 05:17.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo hoo! |
| 05:17.51 | Tain | Stop! Channel time! doo dooo doo can't cast this |
| 05:17.55 | Tain | Damnit. |
| 05:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | nah na na nah |
| 05:18.02 | Tain | I can't stop myself. |
| 05:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | can't cast this |
| 05:18.08 | slouken | oh no |
| 05:18.21 | ScytheBlade1 | slouken: it'll fire START in the first place now then? |
| 05:18.44 | Tain | I should apply to be a writer for video games. |
| 05:19.18 | slouken | No, I think it's STOP CHANNEL_START ... CHANNEL_STOP |
| 05:19.46 | ScytheBlade1 | So no second STOP? 'k |
| 05:20.19 | ScytheBlade1 | But then: why the initial STOP? (That was my original question, however poorly phrased) |
| 05:24.54 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 05:24.56 | Corrodias | and why no collectgarbage()? |
| 05:25.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, slouken has better ninja-afk abilities than my guild paladin |
| 05:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | And that's saying something |
| 05:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 05:26.13 | AnduinLothar | can't cast this. lol |
| 05:26.55 | AnduinLothar | mmm, i haven't verified but does Frame:SetParent(FontString) crash wow for anyone else? |
| 05:27.36 | Tain | hahaha there's a commercial on for a new birth-control thing called NuvaRing. And it's making me laugh uncontrollably. |
| 05:29.35 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.59 | Tain | SetParent playername? The implications of that actually working make for some good comedy. |
| 05:30.22 | AnduinLothar | PlayerName isa FontString on the PlayerFrame |
| 05:30.52 | AnduinLothar | but i'm pretty sure it works for any frame set to any FontString |
| 05:30.59 | Ktron | Tain, at least it isn't NovaRing... first, that sounds dangerous, second, it sounds like something you find through a telescope, and third, isn't 'Nova' approximately don't go or don't work in spanish? The new, DontWorkRing! |
| 05:31.24 | Tain | Oh. :( I had visions of action buttons following a player around the screen. |
| 05:31.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cute, but I think "no va" means "doesn't go" ;) |
| 05:32.05 | Tain | No mas! No mas! |
| 05:32.07 | AnduinLothar | it's the NoPassRing |
| 05:32.26 | AnduinLothar | otherwise known as SpermPwnage |
| 05:32.30 | Ktron | Tem, you up? is the opensvn.csie.org/Ace/trunk/ItemCompare/ alpha leak worth trying to use? |
| 05:32.34 | Tain | Do not pass go, do not collect $200. (Because that would make you a prostitute.) |
| 05:32.49 | Tem | Ktron: It's not a leak |
| 05:32.55 | Tem | Ktron: but you can use it |
| 05:32.59 | Tain | Ask in the forum, ScytheBlade. |
| 05:33.00 | Tem | Ktron: it's got a few bugs |
| 05:33.06 | AnduinLothar | because it's evil. ya it screws up ArcanePartyBars for channeling |
| 05:33.08 | Ktron | Someone called it a leak, even though I know it was intentinoal |
| 05:33.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Tain: I'm afraid that I'm going to have to, but... slouken... right *here*... :( |
| 05:33.24 | Tem | Ktron: some people on wowace have funny ideas |
| 05:33.35 | AnduinLothar | I end up seeing Warlocks channeling and then it says they're casting Sanctity Aura and i get confused.. |
| 05:33.42 | Tain | Yeah, right here relaxing on his time off from his job, like everyone else. |
| 05:33.51 | Ktron | Ah... The original context is from the Chevy Nova, a car which had wretched sales in Mexico ;) |
| 05:33.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Point taken |
| 05:34.25 | Tem | lol Tain |
| 05:34.41 | Tem | Ktron: ItemCompare has been around since september |
| 05:34.59 | Ktron | Well, I'm slow to find and try Ace addons |
| 05:35.00 | Tem | Ktron: but I've keep making real big changes in it that keep me from getting a final release version |
| 05:35.20 | Tem | I think I'm on my 3rd or 4th complete rewrite now |
| 05:36.20 | Tain | That's the problem. There's so many great addons out there in perpertual development and rewrite mode. |
| 05:36.39 | Tain | Darn coders can't ever be satisfied. :) |
| 05:37.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | I should go grab it, EquipCompare broke with 1.9 |
| 05:37.24 | AnduinLothar | ? my EC works.. |
| 05:37.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | And I haven't updated it since it's always been buggy for me. |
| 05:38.56 | AnduinLothar | -- EquipCompare by Legorol |
| 05:38.56 | AnduinLothar | -- Version: 2.9.5 |
| 05:39.02 | AnduinLothar | works fine |
| 05:39.08 | AnduinLothar | it's the one in the Cosmos Distro |
| 05:39.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | Except before and after 1.9, it still has problems not showing all the time due to server lag. You may need to mouse over an item more then once. |
| 05:40.03 | AnduinLothar | Never had that issue |
| 05:40.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | I've had the issue, and so have many others... |
| 05:40.40 | AnduinLothar | why not take it up with legorol, he's in here as much as i am |
| 05:41.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, I'm not using it anymore. |
| 05:41.55 | AnduinLothar | *sigh* |
| 05:42.18 | Tain | I should probably occasionally look at who the developer of some of these addons are. I never even knew EC was Legorol. |
| 05:42.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | I wasn't trying to bash EquipCompare, there were other anthestic and personal issues I had with it. They weren't the author's fault. |
| 05:43.11 | Tem | yeah me not really liking EC was the main reason I wrote IC |
| 05:43.33 | Tain | EC kicked my dog. :( |
| 05:43.35 | Corrodias | gah. nope. WoW still crashes readily in ZF. |
| 05:51.03 | Kaelten | arg anyone around who can help me debug some code real quick? |
| 05:51.22 | Iriel | real quick, sure |
| 05:51.47 | Kaelten | ok I'm writing code to maintain my stats. |
| 05:52.05 | Kaelten | self:UpdateStats(0, 0, (sell and sell == sSell) and 0 or 1, (buy and buy == sBuy) and 0 or 1) |
| 05:52.11 | Kaelten | that call is screwing everything up |
| 05:52.33 | Kaelten | it ends up adding in way too many buy prices and next to no sell prices. |
| 05:52.45 | slouken | Has anyone seen the Automatic Enchanter? |
| 05:52.50 | Tem | ? |
| 05:52.51 | Tem | link? |
| 05:52.55 | slouken | no link |
| 05:53.09 | slouken | It's a bot that automates enchant selling for you. It's amazing. :) |
| 05:53.18 | Tem | >< |
| 05:53.27 | Iriel | Hm, UpdateStats isn't expecting 0 to be false is it? |
| 05:53.58 | Kaelten | hmm I don't think it is, |
| 05:54.17 | Kaelten | self.app.db:set("stats", table.concat({sItemCount + (itemCount or 0), sSubCount + (subCount or 0), sSellCount + (sellCount or 0), sBuyCount + (buyCount or 0), floor(((sSellCount + (sellCount or 0))/(sSubCount + (subCount or 0))) * 10000) / 100, floor(((sBuyCount + (buyCount or 0))/(sSubCount + (subCount or 0))) * 10000) / 100},",")) |
| 05:54.35 | Kaelten | that is the main part of that function. |
| 05:54.44 | Tain | Damnit kael you're going to cause some heads to asplode if you keep posting that. |
| 05:54.53 | Iriel | Can you pastebin the whole function? |
| 05:54.58 | Kaelten | sure |
| 05:55.39 | Kaelten | http://pastebin.com/523565 |
| 05:56.13 | Iriel | you know,using string.format instead of table.concat would generate less garbage |
| 05:56.17 | Iriel | Just as an aside |
| 05:57.06 | Iriel | Also, if sell is nil, you get a 1, is that intended? |
| 05:57.15 | Kaelten | http://pastebin.com/523567 |
| 05:57.18 | Kaelten | thats easier to read |
| 05:58.18 | Iriel | what are sell, sSell, buy, and sBuy, representing |
| 05:58.49 | Kaelten | sell or what a vendor will pay for an item buy are what a vendor will sell you something for |
| 05:58.58 | Kaelten | sSell is the old stored value. |
| 05:59.07 | Kaelten | and no your probably right the nil is probably whats causing the errors. |
| 05:59.31 | Iriel | I think you wanted ((not sell) or sell == sSell) and 0 or 1 |
| 05:59.48 | Iriel | or for that matter |
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| 05:59.58 | Shouryuu | rwar.. |
| 06:00.02 | Iriel | sell and ((sell == sSell) and 0 or 1) |
| 06:00.56 | Kaelten | (sell and sell ~= sSell) and 1 or 0 |
| 06:01.19 | Kaelten | hmm yours would work too. |
| 06:01.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Make heads esplode? I think it's very beautiful. |
| 06:01.42 | Iriel | yours is probably easier to understand next time through |
| 06:01.46 | Tain | I wonder if slouken ever looks at the stuff people do in here and think, "Aww look what I was a part in starting." Or if it's more like, "Dear god what have I had a part in starting?" |
| 06:02.08 | slouken | Dear God, I'm so sorry, I meant to make a pie. :) |
| 06:02.17 | Iriel | I thought it was soup? |
| 06:02.22 | Tain | I like cake. |
| 06:02.32 | slouken | It started out as a pie. I put in too many green beans. :) |
| 06:02.49 | Tain | I only ever wanted to be... a lumberjack. |
| 06:02.58 | Kaelten | I just had cake |
| 06:03.07 | slouken | mmmm, cake! |
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| 06:03.21 | slouken | Floating down the might river of something or other! |
| 06:03.31 | Tain | I had cake too! Except it was in a cup. And liquid. And it was made out of rum and coke. |
| 06:03.40 | Kaelten | Thanks iriel that fixed it. |
| 06:03.55 | slouken | Mmm, rum and coke cake |
| 06:03.55 | Kaelten | sometimes I just got to get a fresh look at stuff, sometimes I've been staring at the code to long. |
| 06:04.18 | Iriel | That used to be my drink of choice, less the 'cake' part |
| 06:04.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | Lua coding is so fun. I always wondered if someone in Blizzard found it fun too and decided to release their addon under an assumed identity... |
| 06:04.38 | Tain | that's when you need somethin to cleanse your pallet, as it were Kaelten. Next time look at something like... oh say Titan code. It'll wipe things clean for you. |
| 06:04.47 | Iriel | Slouken is really Saien? Is that what you're implying? |
| 06:04.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Kaelten: Sleep helps me best for that. I'll wake up with like 5 completed algorithmns in my head someday, sometimes from projects years past. |
| 06:04.53 | Tain | haha |
| 06:05.08 | Tain | ~emulate Saien |
| 06:05.09 | purl | Slash commands are ameturish. |
| 06:05.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | No no, we all know slouken is really the real Cosmos dev...haha |
| 06:05.27 | Kaelten | heh, I was taking a shower one time and just stoped and stared at the wall as I realized something that had been bugging me for 6 months. |
| 06:05.38 | Kaelten | *realized how to do something |
| 06:05.52 | Tain | hehe yeah Kaelten, the worst part is when you forget by the time you get back to a computer. :) |
| 06:05.57 | Iriel | I find commute time good for that too |
| 06:05.59 | Tain | And you only remember that you figured it out. |
| 06:06.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Astryl (n=Astryl@69.110.214.18) |
| 06:06.09 | Kaelten | lol |
| 06:06.10 | Iriel | But then, I have more of it than I really want, so maybe that's just probabilities |
| 06:06.15 | Astryl | Kwak! |
| 06:06.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | That's why I always carry a pad & pen in my back pocket, and a laptop in my car. |
| 06:06.25 | Kaelten | iriel, how would format create less garbage? |
| 06:06.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | I still need to modify my car so I can view the laptop while driving. |
| 06:06.37 | Astryl | Got a general addon creation questio... |
| 06:06.37 | Iriel | Kaelten : because there's no table created |
| 06:06.44 | Iriel | You'd go straight to a string |
| 06:06.46 | Tain | I think slouken is one of the Innerspace devs. :I |
| 06:06.48 | Iriel | which you're ending up with anyway |
| 06:07.02 | Kaelten | ok well how would I use it to insert a seperator between each element |
| 06:07.06 | Iriel | essentially now you create a table with a bunch of elements, make a string out of it, then throw the table away |
| 06:07.18 | Iriel | string.format("%f,%f,%f,%f.... etc |
| 06:07.29 | Kaelten | ah |
| 06:07.39 | Iriel | or %d, or whatever your format string of choice is |
| 06:07.46 | Astryl | I've got an addon already, that's nothing more than a function library, but I want to expand it into a userfriendly (ie, publicly releasable) addon. |
| 06:07.47 | Iriel | It may make your truncation easier too |
| 06:07.57 | Iriel | instead of all that mucking around with math.round |
| 06:08.04 | Iriel | I mean floor |
| 06:08.15 | Kaelten | hmm, now I have no idea how to make a mask for that |
| 06:08.35 | Corrodias | argh! ARGH! RAGH! why won't my wow be stable.. :( |
| 06:08.43 | Iriel | Well, %.2f gives you 1.00 |
| 06:08.54 | Astryl | Anyone know of any template addons for this sort of thing? I'd rather not have any dependancies, just looking for some template addons that I can fill in the guts for. I'm looking for a basic options screen, saves the settings per character, at least. |
| 06:08.54 | Iriel | etc |
| 06:08.57 | Kaelten | table.concat({"!" .. sub .. "!", sell or 0, buy or 0}, ",") would become string.format("%f,%f,%f", "!" .. sub .. "!", sell or 0, buy or 0) |
| 06:09.13 | Iriel | Dont do the concats like that |
| 06:09.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | Astryl: Take a look at www.wowace.com. It provides a framework to keep your code nice and tight, and provides an easy to use slash command handler and GUI maker. |
| 06:09.34 | Iriel | do string.format("!%s!,%d,%d", sub, sell or 0, buy or 0) |
| 06:09.38 | Iriel | Assuming that sub is a string |
| 06:10.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | Astryl: Ace isn't a dependency that can be broken unless slouken intentionally wants to break Ace. It's 99% pure Lua logic without much emphasis on the actual WoW API. |
| 06:10.44 | Astryl | The user must have Ace though, correct? |
| 06:10.46 | Kaelten | sub is a number actually |
| 06:11.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, but I don't see what the problem is there, Ace is a tiny download and requires no setup... |
| 06:11.11 | Iriel | integer, or floating point? |
| 06:11.25 | Corrodias | "check agp aperture". check your code. :( my OS never crashes, my ut2k4 never crashes, wow never crashed before 1.9... |
| 06:11.28 | Kaelten | integer |
| 06:11.32 | Iriel | then %d |
| 06:11.41 | Astryl | Not everyone has it, or wants to deal with it. |
| 06:12.17 | Corrodias | users that don't want to deal with easy, useful libraries are left in the dust. |
| 06:12.24 | Corrodias | it happened in NWN and it happens in WoW. |
| 06:12.26 | Kaelten | string.format is the same thing as format right? |
| 06:12.44 | Tain | There's nothing to "deal" with really. But there are people who don't like dependancies for either real or imaginary reasons. |
| 06:12.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Astryl: OK, then integrate Ace into your project. Ace is open-source, just credit its developers. |
| 06:12.46 | Astryl | I certainly see the appeal of Ace, and would definitely use it of my addon was very large, but it really is a very lightweight little addon, so shouldn't require any dependencies. |
| 06:12.55 | Astryl | OK, that I can do. |
| 06:13.31 | Kaelten | ace isn't really well suited for embedding atm |
| 06:13.32 | Iriel | Kaelten : yes |
| 06:13.47 | Iriel | Kaelten : I suspect compat.lua aliases it that way |
| 06:14.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | Kaelten: Ah, would Ace's TOC scanning make it bad if someone just had another TOC file load all the Ace files? |
| 06:14.36 | Kaelten | well the problem would be there is no versioning control |
| 06:14.37 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 06:14.41 | Astryl | Is there some piece of it that can easily make a simple options screen? (ie, a list of checkboxes, a dropdown or two, ok/cancel) |
| 06:14.55 | Kaelten | Astryl, AceGUI |
| 06:15.07 | Tain | hehe |
| 06:15.09 | Astryl | OKie... |
| 06:15.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Astryl: We talk about Ace because all the slash command handler / GUI templates that I know of are far out of date |
| 06:15.20 | Kaelten | night Iriel |
| 06:15.30 | Iriel | Versioning embedded code isn't that hard |
| 06:15.33 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 06:15.45 | Kaelten | true, but it has to be setup first <g> |
| 06:15.49 | Iriel | that is true. |
| 06:15.55 | Iriel | Anyway, see you all on the flip side! |
| 06:16.16 | Astryl | Any tutorials around about saving variables? |
| 06:16.26 | Tain | Yep, on wowwiki |
| 06:16.40 | Astryl | Hmm... I'll look there again I guess. |
| 06:16.50 | Tain | Or at least I think so. |
| 06:17.01 | Kaelten | how do you make format take either a string or a integer? |
| 06:17.15 | Astryl | Ah, yep, there is. |
| 06:17.26 | Astryl | OK, so, need some suggestions now... |
| 06:17.58 | Astryl | There any better way to effectively give users new action buttons than to just make macros for them? |
| 06:18.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | Astryl: Exactly why do people think dependencies are bad? Ace is freely available on a major WOW Interface site, WoWInterface. I'm just curious here. If you just get any template without really understanding how the template works, you will usually be left with a much larger resource usage then Ace uses. |
| 06:19.08 | Astryl | Gen, simple. |
| 06:19.11 | Astryl | People are stupid. |
| 06:19.21 | Astryl | Really stupid. |
| 06:19.29 | Tain | Amen. |
| 06:19.38 | Astryl | And I'd rather not deal with their stupidity, so I'd like to make it as completely simple for them as possible. |
| 06:19.42 | Astryl | brb, afk a min |
| 06:19.46 | Tain | Thankfully I don't keep people in mind when coding an addon. :D |
| 06:20.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | You could even bundle Ace with your download. Kaelten, would you mind that? Credit given, of course. |
| 06:20.09 | Tain | Really, users just get in the way of brilliant ideas. |
| 06:20.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes Tain, if there were no users, it would be a coding utopia, right? |
| 06:20.50 | Tain | Well, pretty much. |
| 06:21.12 | Astryl | Inded. |
| 06:21.14 | Astryl | Indeed. |
| 06:21.57 | Kaelten | GenNMX, thats better, but I've experianced its easier not to. |
| 06:22.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | We should ask Cair for some polls. |
| 06:22.52 | Kaelten | I used to bundle ACe with my addons, partly because it was still semi private beta, and it was a pain to update all my addons each time a new ace came out. |
| 06:24.04 | Kaelten | Ace has gotten about 125k downloads between all the different sites, so its fairly well spread |
| 06:24.31 | Tain | It even has its own theme song. |
| 06:24.33 | Tain | Ace Ace Baby.. |
| 06:24.44 | Kaelten | Tain, your fired, bring in the new theme song guy |
| 06:25.00 | Kaelten | lol |
| 06:25.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | True, but a poll with the question "For Addons you are not using, would you use Addons with dependencies such as Ace if they did not have any dependencies?" |
| 06:26.14 | Astryl | On the SavedVariablesPerCharacter line in the TOC, the variables are comma-space delimited, right? |
| 06:26.21 | Astryl | Or just comma? Or what? |
| 06:26.41 | Astryl | ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: MaxComboPoints, UseGrowl, UseCower, UseTigersFury |
| 06:26.44 | Astryl | Is that right? |
| 06:26.54 | Kaelten | believe so |
| 06:27.01 | Astryl | OK, thanks. |
| 06:27.02 | Kaelten | ya that should be right. |
| 06:27.44 | Kaelten | although one thing thats popular is to do somethign like MYAddonPerCharSaves and then have that be a table of all the different variables |
| 06:28.14 | Astryl | ...I really only need those like 4 values. |
| 06:28.23 | Astryl | I'll certainly name them more uniquely though. |
| 06:28.42 | Astryl | MyAddon_UseTigersFury or something |
| 06:28.54 | Astryl | Which reminds me, I still need to come up with a name for this think... |
| 06:28.56 | Kaelten | good idea as it could cause confliects if they are used in more than one addon. |
| 06:29.00 | Kaelten | lol |
| 06:29.20 | Astryl | "Astryl's Collection of Feral Druid Scripts" is a little long winded. |
| 06:29.29 | Astryl | Any feral druids here? |
| 06:29.34 | Corrodias | i, sort of.. |
| 06:29.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | Astryl: What's your addon do? |
| 06:29.58 | Astryl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-druid&t=699143&p=1&tmp=1#post699143 |
| 06:30.02 | Corrodias | i use cat form when solo and bear occasionally |
| 06:30.13 | Astryl | I gotta run, girlfriend demanding I come to bed, cause she's horny. |
| 06:30.18 | Tain | How about, "Silent Rabidity" |
| 06:30.21 | Astryl | Read that post, explains everything. |
| 06:30.50 | Astryl | private message me here, I'll leave myself logged in tonight, or just post a reply there. |
| 06:32.38 | Corrodias | doesn't cower take 20 energy? |
| 06:34.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes it does |
| 06:34.48 | Corrodias | so... isn't constantly using Cower when 1) it isn't necessary or 2) it won't do anything kind of silly? |
| 06:35.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, I can't think of a reason to spam Cower or Growl, but maybe some Feral Druids play differently then me... |
| 06:36.10 | Corrodias | by hitting one button and hoping they win? :) |
| 06:36.24 | Ktron | So... if I wanted to run a \script to display the parent of a frame... |
| 06:36.45 | Corrodias | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(framename:GetParent()); |
| 06:36.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ktron: /script ...Corrodias beat me to it |
| 06:37.04 | Ktron | I was typing that and he beat me too, thanks Codayus |
| 06:37.13 | Ktron | *** Corrodias |
| 06:37.17 | Corrodias | i win! |
| 06:37.28 | Legorol | hmm, i see slouken was impressed by a bot |
| 06:37.32 | Legorol | what has the world come to.. |
| 06:37.41 | Corrodias | " Maul and Claw would definately be the most useful in my book, especially since I do a fair amount of pvp." |
| 06:37.53 | Corrodias | don't these people know that you can assign them to your number keys?! |
| 06:37.59 | Legorol | next thing we know, slouken will be encouraging kremonte to fake links |
| 06:38.09 | Ktron | doesn't seem to be working... |
| 06:38.14 | Corrodias | being impressed and encouraging are different things, man |
| 06:38.23 | Legorol | sure, don't take me too seriously |
| 06:38.35 | Ktron | hm |
| 06:38.38 | Ktron | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | ChatFrame1:AddMessage( tostring( framename:GetParent() ) ); |
| 06:39.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Try that |
| 06:39.09 | Ktron | ' |
| 06:39.41 | Tain | Oh just use /ace:print(0 |
| 06:39.52 | Ktron | GenNMX|Thrae, that printed 'table: 07BD42E8' |
| 06:40.21 | Corrodias | framename:GetParent():GetName() |
| 06:40.28 | Ktron | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, except it puts "Ace:" in front of the message |
| 06:41.02 | Corrodias | yeah, i used this in my script, DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Parent frame: "..GetMouseFocus():GetParent():GetName()); |
| 06:42.00 | Ktron | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ktron: /script ace:print()... |
| 06:42.24 | Ktron | ah :) |
| 06:42.30 | Corrodias | getparent, getname. |
| 06:44.50 | Tain | damnit I do that in game all the time. /ace:print. But yeah getparent getname |
| 06:45.03 | krka | i just use /dump |
| 06:45.13 | Tain | Yeah I /dump when I remember. heh |
| 06:45.44 | Ktron | I've only ever used /dump to view links... does /dump run scripts as well? |
| 06:48.08 | krka | what do you mean? |
| 06:48.26 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.47 | Ktron | heh, sorry.... I found the txt anyway, I realized I was getting lazy... found the definition "Prints the result of executing a LUA expression (Basically /script but with |
| 06:48.48 | Ktron | output)." |
| 06:48.53 | Ktron | which I think I understand |
| 06:49.37 | Corrodias | bah. my wow never crashes if i'm alone, only when in a group... |
| 06:49.39 | Corrodias | ......hmm |
| 06:49.47 | Tain | Grouping was nerfed! |
| 06:49.59 | Corrodias | i wonder if there's something to that more than coincidence |
| 06:50.33 | Corrodias | i'm still using an old version of CT RaidAssist and i'm using CT_UnitFrames, but i don't see how they could possibly cause an error 134 |
| 06:57.31 | Corrodias | internal driver lock on resource or something |
| 06:58.18 | Kaelten | gnight people |
| 06:59.11 | Corrodias | yeah. i just prowled all the way through ZF and back. |
| 06:59.25 | Corrodias | yet i can crash just by walking when i'm in a group |
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| 07:55.15 | Ktron | is there a way to reset a single frame in visor? |
| 07:58.03 | Ktron | nvm |
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| 08:01.36 | Ktron | damn you SpecialEvents |
| 08:09.55 | Ktron | damn ganking 60's... If I had a button that would delete every single level 60 character, and heck, every single character over level 50 whenever I wanted it, I'd press it right _now_M |
| 08:15.48 | Tem | Ktron: what's wrong with SE? |
| 08:16.28 | Ktron | Generated an error more than once during combat so I got distracted and lost to a group of lower level alliance :( |
| 08:16.37 | Tem | lol |
| 08:16.42 | Tem | a lua error? |
| 08:16.50 | Ktron | something to do with bags? |
| 08:16.53 | Ktron | I think? |
| 08:17.00 | Ktron | yeah, a lua error I think |
| 08:17.15 | Tem | take it up with Tekkub |
| 08:17.20 | Tem | he's on this server |
| 08:17.25 | Tem | and probably active right now |
| 08:17.44 | Tem | yeah he's around right now |
| 08:18.42 | Ktron | draka? |
| 08:18.43 | Ktron | ah |
| 08:19.08 | Ktron | was there ever a testing pvp/rppvp server picked too? |
| 08:19.51 | krka|work | testing... rp? does not compute :P |
| 08:20.18 | krka|work | since there is no technical difference between pvp and rppvp why would it need a special testing server? |
| 08:20.37 | Ktron | that's not what I meant |
| 08:20.47 | Ktron | I meant, is there a testing pvp or rpvp server? |
| 08:21.02 | Ktron | the slash was to indicate either/or not vs |
| 08:23.13 | Ktron | even simpler-- are there any other servers besides draka that this channel are trying to use for testing and so on? |
| 08:23.53 | krka|work | hmm... what does testing mean in this case? |
| 08:24.57 | Ktron | Just think, in regards to this channel and community, PvE:draka as PvP:______? |
| 08:25.21 | krka|work | still dont follow |
| 08:27.21 | Ktron | As far as I know, Draka is used by this channel and its commuty as a place to test together and/or play together... draka is a PvE server, I wanted to know if there was another server used for the same things, but the server of type PvP not PvE |
| 08:27.28 | Ktron | follow? |
| 08:27.34 | krka|work | oh I see |
| 08:27.49 | krka|work | basically just a way to get the addon community together ingame too |
| 08:27.55 | krka|work | Draka is in US i take it? |
| 08:31.23 | Ktron | I believe so |
| 08:31.41 | Ktron | there's been wowi posts about it, and people talk about in here a bit anyway |
| 08:36.23 | stray`laptop | who here uses linux? |
| 08:36.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | What's up, stray`laptop? |
| 08:36.57 | stray`laptop | how do i give another user access to my files ;o |
| 08:37.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | stray`laptop: Put them in a directory with chmod 775 |
| 08:38.07 | krka|work | <-- |
| 08:38.17 | stray`laptop | but i only want one particular user to access my files |
| 08:38.20 | krka|work | or use chown to change owner |
| 08:38.34 | krka|work | create a new group |
| 08:38.37 | stray`laptop | will i still have access if i chown? |
| 08:38.42 | krka|work | add the particular user to the group |
| 08:38.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | stray`laptop: Then chgrp the directory to the name of the other user, and keep the owner as the first user |
| 08:38.55 | krka|work | chown <yourname>:<thegroup> <thefile> |
| 08:39.16 | stray`laptop | can you create a group if you dont have root access? |
| 08:39.18 | krka|work | i think |
| 08:39.25 | krka|work | not sure about thst |
| 08:39.38 | stray`laptop | ill try GenNMX|Thrae's way ;O |
| 08:39.45 | krka|work | AFS really kicks ass for stuff like this |
| 08:40.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | stray`laptop: Example -- mkdir -p /pub/peeps && chown 775 /pub/peeps && chgrp user2 /pub/peeps |
| 08:41.22 | stray`laptop | madness. |
| 08:42.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | What you should not do is let two users have access to the same directory in /home, it goes against the principle of /home |
| 08:42.31 | stray`laptop | i dont have access anywhere but home ;o |
| 08:42.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | ohhhh |
| 08:42.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | then make a directory called something like "pub" in your directory |
| 08:43.00 | stray`laptop | ic |
| 08:43.30 | stray`laptop | im logging into a school account to do my programming assignment :( unfortunately when i finish working i have to mail my updated source files to my partner |
| 08:43.34 | stray`laptop | and thats a big hassle and all |
| 08:43.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | stray`laptop: Example -- mkdir $HOME/pub && chown 775 $HOME/pub && chgrp user2 $HOME/pub |
| 08:44.58 | stray`laptop | cant set the group to my friends accnt ;o |
| 08:46.03 | stray`laptop | ahh well, maybe ill just keep one of those collaborative editing windows up, and have him edit stuff that way |
| 08:46.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | stray`laptop: Then chown 777 |
| 08:47.34 | stray`laptop | well, then any ol shmuck can come look at my stuff, right? |
| 08:48.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | In $HOME/pub, yes |
| 08:48.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | And I meant chmod, not chown |
| 08:48.54 | stray`laptop | i figured ;p |
| 08:49.10 | stray`laptop | i dont think my school would take well to sharing programs with everyone in the cs department |
| 08:49.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Then email you must |
| 08:49.40 | stray`laptop | it seems so :( |
| 08:51.32 | Corrodias | HAY GUYZ WHATS GOIN ON :D |
| 08:51.43 | Corrodias | actually i have a question |
| 08:52.39 | Corrodias | when your addons crash wow, such as Tem's attempt to change the strata of uiparent, exactly how does it crash? |
| 08:53.22 | Tem | gloriously |
| 08:53.51 | Corrodias | i mean, does it just CTD, give you an error, or destroy your whole computer? |
| 08:53.57 | Tem | oh |
| 08:54.00 | Corrodias | the times i've had an addon crash it (twice) it CTD'd |
| 08:54.04 | Tem | #132 error |
| 08:54.20 | Corrodias | 132, eh.. hm. not quite 134, but that gets my hopes up a little. |
| 08:54.27 | Corrodias | ;ni |
| 08:54.28 | Corrodias | er, 'ni |
| 08:55.23 | stray`laptop | who here knows about b trees :) |
| 08:55.39 | Corrodias | binary trees? |
| 08:55.48 | stray`laptop | nope ;( |
| 08:55.53 | stray`laptop | B-trees! |
| 08:57.09 | Corrodias | they're like regular trees, but really low budget and crappy, yet somehow still entertaining because you can make fun of them. |
| 08:59.36 | krka|work | what is a b tree if not a binary tree? |
| 09:00.00 | stray`laptop | the fact that a leaf can hold up to m values rather than 2? |
| 09:00.02 | Corrodias | badass tree? barnacle tree? bloated tree? |
| 09:00.08 | stray`laptop | i dunno what it stands for |
| 09:00.10 | stray`laptop | :/ |
| 09:00.12 | Corrodias | so it's a "not binary" tree |
| 09:00.14 | krka|work | then it's a _tree_ plain and simple :P |
| 09:00.24 | stray`laptop | no but its a special way of storage! |
| 09:00.28 | stray`laptop | all the data is stored in the leaves |
| 09:00.30 | stray`laptop | or something like that |
| 09:00.40 | stray`laptop | the internal nodes just point the eventual way to the leaf |
| 09:00.51 | krka|work | but that's just a trivial transformation |
| 09:01.00 | stray`laptop | oh? |
| 09:01.12 | krka|work | let's say you have a tree where you can store data in the internal nodes |
| 09:01.24 | Corrodias | let's not |
| 09:01.37 | Corrodias | we can have coffee and talk about cars, instead |
| 09:01.39 | krka|work | then you can transform that into a "b tree" by just adding a leaf to all internal nodes that contain the data |
| 09:03.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | How do you get the current selection from a DropDown ? |
| 09:03.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | DropDown:GetValue() gives me the text of the selection, I was hoping for the table integer index |
| 09:06.05 | Corrodias | i'm going to bed now. |
| 09:06.14 | Corrodias | tomorrow, i will test my ADDONS to see if one of them is causing my instability. >:D |
| 09:07.08 | Corrodias | i pray that it's possible for one of them to cause an error 134 crash. |
| 09:07.10 | Corrodias | 'ni. [away] |
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| 12:12.36 | Vallerius | mornin' folks |
| 12:41.34 | Kalroth_ | Cairenn: morning sunshine! |
| 12:42.16 | Cairenn | hey :) |
| 12:45.14 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.39 | krka|work | yes, you need to leave the hard pushing to someone else! |
| 12:45.50 | Cairenn | yeah, but going down and out that hard usually means you've been pushing yourself way too hard |
| 12:54.28 | krka|work | sleeping is the meaning of life |
| 12:56.28 | Kalroth_ | if (Kalroth.ActionQueue.Count = 0) { Kalroth.Sleep( 36000000 ); }; |
| 12:56.39 | Kalroth_ | == 0 damnit |
| 13:05.40 | Vallerius | infinite sleep ftw? |
| 13:08.12 | Kalroth_ | good idea! |
| 13:08.20 | Kalroth_ | if (Kalroth.ActionQueue.Count == 0) { Kalroth.Sleep( -1 ); }; |
| 13:14.54 | Vallerius | so i'm starting work on possibly the most insane wow mod yet. if this doesn't tank the game, nothing will |
| 13:15.59 | krka|work | what it is? |
| 13:16.22 | Vallerius | rampart |
| 13:16.38 | Vallerius | old-school nintendo game |
| 13:17.46 | Vallerius | i want to see if it's possible to do something like this in wow without completely choking the system |
| 13:24.48 | Vallerius | it's going to involve about... 5000 new frames |
| 13:25.26 | krka|work | won't choke it |
| 13:25.34 | krka|work | i have used 1000+ frames |
| 13:25.37 | krka|work | without problems |
| 13:29.24 | Vallerius | good to hear |
| 13:30.52 | net | tjo krka |
| 13:32.43 | Vallerius | mmm, 16k lines of xml :p |
| 13:32.44 | krka|work | tjo |
| 13:32.53 | krka|work | i hope those were generated |
| 13:34.07 | Vallerius | mostly, yeah |
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| 13:37.18 | krka|work | Beladona, is there any way to get more info on user ratings at wowi? |
| 13:38.40 | Beladona | not at the moment |
| 13:39.42 | Beladona | I can't even get more info |
| 13:39.53 | krka|work | it's strange to see 5 stars but almost no comments |
| 13:40.09 | krka|work | especially since my mod is difficult to use |
| 13:41.53 | Beladona | if you hover over it, it should say how many votes there were |
| 13:42.09 | Beladona | if only one person voted, and they voted 5 stars, you will have 5 stars |
| 13:43.24 | krka|work | ah, so no minimum votes |
| 13:43.35 | krka|work | right, it was just one person :P |
| 13:53.38 | Kalroth_ | krka|work: probably yourself! |
| 13:54.37 | krka|work | actually, no :) |
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| 14:25.02 | Vallerius | krka|work: got 3k frames in now. moving and resizing is slow as sin, but there's not too much of a drag on framerate |
| 14:30.51 | krka|work | someone should write a pilotwings clone in WoW |
| 14:31.45 | Vallerius | that would be... eep. |
| 14:32.12 | krka|work | platform games are probably easier though |
| 14:32.14 | Vallerius | are you proposing someone write a simple 3d engine that rasterizes by tweaking colors on a bunch of very small frames? |
| 14:32.24 | krka|work | here's a cool idea... write Warcraft 2 in wow |
| 14:32.35 | krka|work | no, just stretching and rotating textures |
| 14:32.59 | Vallerius | i've thought about that many times... i'm too lazy for that. gonna stick with something simpler at first and see how the environment copes |
| 14:33.13 | krka|work | pilotwings has basically just a flat ground and round objects in the air |
| 14:33.20 | krka|work | must be doable |
| 14:33.24 | Beladona | I don't see why Blizz can't setup a simple line drawing mechanism |
| 14:33.33 | Beladona | it would be extremely easy |
| 14:33.36 | krka|work | they have, indirectly |
| 14:33.45 | krka|work | and Iriel has done the rest |
| 14:33.49 | Corrodias | all right! games in wow? that would be incredibly sweet. |
| 14:33.50 | Beladona | two points, that use offsets, in a single element |
| 14:34.06 | Beladona | krka, that is really a hack. A nice one mind you |
| 14:34.07 | krka|work | iriels lines consists of just one texture |
| 14:34.15 | Beladona | I am talking about native line drawing without the need for a texture |
| 14:34.29 | Beladona | basically SVG |
| 14:34.42 | Beladona | after all, svg is xml based anyway |
| 14:35.07 | Vallerius | and people complain about laggy UI now :p |
| 14:35.13 | Beladona | I want to create a histogram chart of xp over time, and it is a pain plotting all those points |
| 14:35.26 | Beladona | how would that be laggy? |
| 14:35.31 | Beladona | svg is pretty efficient |
| 14:36.27 | Corrodias | having injected that useful bit of information into the conversation, now i will go to class. actually, a chemistry lab, at which i am painfully slow and undoubtedly annoy my partner. [away] |
| 14:36.59 | Beladona | lol |
| 14:37.17 | Vallerius | damn, i wish 1.10 was here... this'd be the perfect application for those texture objects |
| 14:37.51 | krka|work | you can create them in xml until then |
| 14:38.33 | Vallerius | i got the impression that you could instance a texture object programmatically with the SetTexture functions |
| 14:44.00 | krka|work | yes you can |
| 14:44.33 | krka|work | actually, the biggest gain will be to access textures without using their name |
| 14:47.12 | krka|work | i think addons will create more memory leaks in the future |
| 14:47.22 | krka|work | since you can't unload textures |
| 14:51.05 | Vallerius | if they just create textures haphazardly, yeah |
| 14:51.16 | Vallerius | unless the GC finds them too |
| 14:51.38 | Kalroth_ | the GC should find them |
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| 14:52.50 | krka|work | no it doesn't |
| 14:52.55 | krka|work | i think slouken clarified on that |
| 14:53.19 | Legorol | the GC can only find their Lua bindings |
| 14:53.29 | Legorol | it can't unload the underlying C structure, i think |
| 14:54.22 | krka|work | someone should write a memory manager for frames, textures and stuff |
| 14:54.46 | Vallerius | ha! everyone will be like "eww, dependencies!" |
| 14:54.50 | krka|work | easy to write, the only problem is getting every coder to use the same thing |
| 14:55.00 | krka|work | could make it bundleable... |
| 14:56.10 | Vallerius | i can see something like that working well in a project like cosmos, and maybe with the ace guys |
| 14:59.36 | krka|work | if everyone added this to their code in 1.10 it would work nicely: |
| 14:59.36 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/523982 |
| 14:59.53 | krka|work | needs to be properly looked through from all angles before doing it though |
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| 15:06.36 | Legorol | krka|work, you forgot versioning ;-) |
| 15:06.46 | krka|work | yes |
| 15:06.56 | krka|work | the idea is that it would be so simple that it wouldn't be needed |
| 15:06.56 | Legorol | but yeah nice concept |
| 15:07.06 | Legorol | no no, versioning is always a must |
| 15:07.11 | Legorol | because you never know what will happen in the future |
| 15:07.19 | Legorol | better to be safe than sorry |
| 15:07.19 | krka|work | could have a major and a minor |
| 15:07.25 | Legorol | if you do have versioning at the start, it won't hurt |
| 15:07.32 | Legorol | but if you don't, it will when you need it |
| 15:07.32 | krka|work | if majors match, use the highest minor |
| 15:07.37 | krka|work | if the majors mismatch, load your own |
| 15:07.43 | krka|work | true |
| 15:07.51 | krka|work | also a patch version number |
| 15:08.01 | Legorol | patch version? |
| 15:08.07 | krka|work | like 10900 |
| 15:08.16 | Legorol | nah, you don't need that for embeddable code |
| 15:08.35 | Legorol | i'm of the opinion that you should change version no. if you change functionality |
| 15:09.01 | krka|work | major version = if the api changes, minor version = bug fixes |
| 15:09.04 | Legorol | if a new wow patch causes you to change functionality, then of course you change version no. too |
| 15:09.12 | Legorol | sounds good.. |
| 15:09.16 | Legorol | but.. |
| 15:09.27 | Legorol | since you always want the latest version anyhow, why bother with major/minor? |
| 15:09.33 | Legorol | why isn't a single version enough? |
| 15:09.40 | Legorol | or is that to appease users? |
| 15:09.41 | krka|work | of course all addons could handle their own frames, but this way there will be less wasted frames overall |
| 15:10.02 | krka|work | an old addon may use a different api |
| 15:10.12 | krka|work | then an upgrade to the MemMan would break it |
| 15:11.28 | Legorol | right |
| 15:11.37 | Legorol | but since you are using the global name MemMan, |
| 15:11.40 | Legorol | you'd get a conflict there |
| 15:12.08 | Legorol | plus there are some other minor details missing from your code, but it could always be added: |
| 15:12.23 | Legorol | such as if you are loading over another AddOns already loaded version, you got to take over its framelist, etc. |
| 15:13.08 | krka|work | hmm.. the version would need to be included in the global name then! |
| 15:13.40 | krka|work | hm... make the mem-man a true object then |
| 15:14.02 | Legorol | nah, you are overcomplicating it |
| 15:15.03 | krka|work | but you _would_ need different versions of it loaded at the same time |
| 15:17.59 | Legorol | ok then maybe do that with major versions |
| 15:18.11 | Legorol | by the way, you could do overtaking like this: |
| 15:18.12 | Legorol | http://wow.pastebin.com/524012 |
| 15:18.15 | Legorol | for minor versions for example |
| 15:18.51 | Legorol | oops, i meant it like this: http://wow.pastebin.com/524014 |
| 15:19.05 | Legorol | eek |
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| 15:19.24 | Legorol | right, there we go: http://wow.pastebin.com/524015 |
| 15:24.27 | krka|work | http://wow.pastebin.com/524025 |
| 15:24.30 | krka|work | my suggestion |
| 15:25.05 | krka|work | possibly overly complex |
| 15:25.36 | Cide | setglobal seems kind of unnecessary, doesn't it? |
| 15:26.21 | Cide | at least in your example, Legorol |
| 15:27.16 | krka|work | wasn't there a local with the same name though? |
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| 15:49.16 | Cide | (I know krka left, but still) yes, there was a local with the same name... so that name should be changed so it doesn't need a table lookup to set the variable |
| 15:53.01 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 15:55.46 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 15:56.52 | AnduinLothar | how goes? |
| 16:00.08 | Cairenn | good good, you? |
| 16:00.52 | Cairenn | question for you guys ... you know the WoW opening screen "The Dark Portal" ... does anyone know where that is, off the top of their head? |
| 16:02.25 | Cairenn | anyone? anyone? beuller? |
| 16:03.42 | Vallerius | the file, or the portal itself? |
| 16:03.53 | Cairenn | the portal itself |
| 16:04.12 | Cairenn | I've got the wallpaper |
| 16:04.32 | Vallerius | looks like it might be the one in the outlands |
| 16:04.47 | Vallerius | or even the black morass |
| 16:04.54 | Cairenn | and the outlands are where? |
| 16:05.04 | Cairenn | not in game yet, are they? |
| 16:05.17 | Vallerius | outlands are not in the game atm. there's a portal that looks mostly like that one in the blasted lands, though |
| 16:05.32 | Cairenn | in the blasted lands? hrm ... |
| 16:06.23 | Cairenn | I want to get a SS that isn't on an angle the way theirs is |
| 16:07.00 | Legorol | I have not encountered it in-game yet, but from WoW lore, the Dark Portal should be somewhere on the south of Azeroth |
| 16:07.17 | Legorol | Blasted Lands sounds like a place where it could be |
| 16:07.31 | Legorol | if they stick to lore, this should be the portal that will lead you to the Outlands |
| 16:07.41 | Legorol | so there will be a counterpart in Outlands that leads you back |
| 16:08.19 | Vallerius | it's in blasted lands, i can confirm that. a bit tricky to get to, but it's there |
| 16:10.32 | Cairenn | ah, I see where it is on the map |
| 16:10.42 | Cairenn | any chance of a lvl 51 being able to get to it alive? |
| 16:11.13 | Vallerius | might need to death-hop once or twice to get by the elites, but you should be ok once you're at the portal |
| 16:12.07 | Cairenn | almost looks like you could run down the eastern wall from Nethergarde |
| 16:12.35 | Cairenn | okay, thanks for the help guys, now to go see if I can get there |
| 16:32.55 | Beladona | ugh |
| 16:33.01 | Cairenn | ? |
| 16:33.05 | Beladona | I haven't been able to sit at my desk for more than 20 minutes all day |
| 16:33.11 | Beladona | =P |
| 16:33.11 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 16:33.42 | Cairenn | happy happy joy joy |
| 16:34.24 | Beladona | oh Cairenn --- http://www.worldofwar.net/cartography/worldmap/blastedlands.php |
| 16:34.34 | Beladona | that shows the Dark Portal |
| 16:34.57 | Cairenn | yeah, that's what I'm using to find it :) |
| 16:35.01 | Beladona | hehe |
| 16:35.18 | Beladona | I can't wait for the expansion |
| 16:35.26 | Beladona | and I still don't know about the new race (alliance) |
| 16:35.38 | Beladona | I read the lore again, and I highly doubt it will be the Drenai |
| 16:35.50 | Beladona | they helped the Blood Elves, technically |
| 16:36.01 | Beladona | so I doubt they would be alliance |
| 16:36.30 | Beladona | Alliance lacks a "big" race though |
| 16:36.38 | Tain | Wookies |
| 16:36.42 | Beladona | so maybe it will be something enat like a little mountain giant |
| 16:37.56 | Tain | Could do something like a Barbarian race. |
| 16:38.06 | Beladona | I hope not |
| 16:38.26 | Beladona | I want a halfway ugly race for a change |
| 16:38.37 | Beladona | like mountain giants (made of rock) |
| 16:39.48 | Tain | Well about the only thing I think is safe to assume is the Alliance race won't be able to be Paladins, since Blood Elves shouldn't be able to be Shaman. |
| 16:39.48 | Cairenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_races#Draenei |
| 16:42.16 | Beladona | it would take some lore changes to make Draenei alliance chars |
| 16:42.24 | Beladona | but htey have changed lore before for wow |
| 16:42.31 | Cairenn | read the link |
| 16:42.35 | Beladona | I did |
| 16:42.45 | Beladona | they hate orcs, but they are allied with Blood Elves |
| 16:42.50 | Beladona | how would they be alliance? |
| 16:43.04 | Cairenn | because BE's are allying with Orcs |
| 16:43.42 | Beladona | seems too weak of a plot point to make it |
| 16:44.15 | Cairenn | well, they certainly wouldn't go horde, because of the orcs |
| 16:44.21 | Cairenn | so that makes alliance reasonable |
| 16:44.35 | Beladona | guess it is possible |
| 16:44.39 | Beladona | they would make good rogues |
| 16:45.12 | Beladona | maybe with a racial that increases stealth abilities |
| 16:45.40 | Beladona | I don't get how they are going to make Prince Kel'Thas a raid boss |
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| 16:52.06 | Cairenn | hey Iriel |
| 16:52.59 | Iriel | Morning |
| 17:00.42 | Beladona | hiya |
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| 17:17.57 | AnduinLothar | link to the mpq extractor from blizz? |
| 17:18.25 | Cairenn | http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01669p |
| 17:18.47 | AnduinLothar | thank you cairenn |
| 17:18.53 | Cairenn | np :) |
| 17:19.08 | AnduinLothar | tyring to train new recruits |
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| 18:22.32 | Astryl | OK... Any druids here? |
| 18:23.04 | Astryl | If so, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-druid&t=699143&p=1&tmp=1#post699143 |
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| 19:07.02 | Ktron | gah... ganking ftl... I'm going to make an addon that,when you're killed by a player on a server, stores their name and level as best you can tell, then you run this little program and it'll upload the data to a directory, so you can see who, for example, as the worst average difference of levels when they gank (ie, at 20 you gank a 15, at 30 you gank at 20, at 40 you gank a 25, for an average of 10 levels below you) |
| 19:07.26 | Ktron | maybe a list of 'the worst gankers' would make people less likely to like them |
| 19:07.52 | Cairenn | nice theory |
| 19:08.06 | Cairenn | unfortunately, likely to remain only a "nice theory" |
| 19:08.24 | Iriel | Yeah, people will try and make top of the rankings |
| 19:08.30 | Ktron | Like, I think seeing that after someone reached 60 they ganked 200 or so level 15-25 characters as a negative |
| 19:08.43 | Ktron | s/as a negative/they'd consider it a negative/ |
| 19:09.29 | Ktron | Iriel, I think I'd set 'top rankings' as whomever has the best 'anti' ganking ratio-- so 5 above you as a +5, and 5 below a -5 |
| 19:09.58 | Ktron | So, 'top' rankings would be for people who can kill the most over their level reliably |
| 19:10.44 | Iriel | And what's to stop lowbies gaming the system to make their enemies have low scores? |
| 19:10.44 | Ktron | I'd have to add a flag to identify who 'started' the fight |
| 19:10.44 | Iriel | +5 above penalizes level 60's unfairly also |
| 19:10.44 | Ktron | 'gaming the system'? |
| 19:10.57 | Ktron | Iriel, I think in practice, no one will have a positive ranking |
| 19:10.58 | Iriel | I'd love to know how you determine who 'started' the fight |
| 19:11.22 | Astryl | Who did the first skill |
| 19:11.40 | Iriel | Based on who? |
| 19:11.41 | Ktron | can't I look to see who struck the first blow? yeah, check the quest log, who was dealt something by the other first |
| 19:11.52 | Iriel | Monitoring every person within range? |
| 19:12.02 | Iriel | What if the L 60 shows up to rescue an L10 from an L40 ? |
| 19:12.22 | Iriel | And yes, i'm being difficult, but I dont think you're being sufficiently imaginative |
| 19:12.44 | Ktron | the L60 takes a hit for killing a level 40 |
| 19:13.13 | Ktron | Because there's no way to tell in game whether a L60 is rescuing a L10 or whether the L10 was bait |
| 19:13.50 | Ktron | It'd monitor you, and what happens to you, and what you do to other opposing players |
| 19:13.57 | Astryl | Anyone ever gotten a forum ban? |
| 19:14.08 | Astryl | It seems like I'm banned from the forums. |
| 19:14.11 | Astryl | Blizz ones, that is. |
| 19:14.19 | Cairenn | oh? |
| 19:14.35 | Astryl | But I don't think I've done anything even remotely wrong - none of my posts have been deleted or modded... |
| 19:14.40 | Astryl | I just can't login. |
| 19:14.44 | Astryl | But I can login to the game. |
| 19:14.53 | Ktron | The only concern I can think of is level 60's fighting level 30's perhaps, and having a level 10 character help them... I'd have to decide whether both characters get credit or not |
| 19:14.53 | Cairenn | ah, check and see if it's account renewal day |
| 19:14.57 | Astryl | Having to post on my gf's account. |
| 19:15.07 | Astryl | Cair, I can login to the game, shouldn't that cover it? |
| 19:15.14 | Cairenn | nope |
| 19:15.14 | Iriel | No |
| 19:15.21 | Iriel | If your account is in 'pending' (renewing) status |
| 19:15.26 | Iriel | then you can get into the game, but not the forum |
| 19:15.32 | Astryl | Huh, interesting. |
| 19:15.33 | Cairenn | precisely |
| 19:15.34 | Iriel | you'll be fine tomorrow, but wont get in today |
| 19:15.41 | Ktron | If I can identify that more than one friendly player is fighting the opposing player, maybe I'll mark them as 'group kills' or somethign, and reduce points gained or somethign |
| 19:16.02 | Cairenn | you can check it under your account status on the main Blizz page |
| 19:16.18 | Astryl | Ktron, you're effectively making your own Honor system. |
| 19:16.28 | Astryl | (One that includes dishonorable kills for killing lowbies) |
| 19:16.54 | Ktron | Astryl, heh, I am |
| 19:17.07 | Ktron | because I'm fed up with Blizzard's |
| 19:18.30 | Ktron | Blizzard needs to add borders and making defending in PvP as worthwhile as ganking, or they need to improve their honor system to reduce ganking (and I generally define ganking as killing over 10 above or below your level, at least roughly |
| 19:18.56 | Ktron | s/roughly/roughly)/ |
| 19:19.35 | Ktron | Which I believed were both original plans for world of warcraft |
| 19:19.47 | Ktron | they just haven't implemented them or have decided to not implement them |
| 19:20.05 | Astryl | Iriel/Cairenn/Ktron... Feedback please! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-druid&ThreadID=700351 |
| 19:20.39 | Ktron | I've never levelled a druid high enough to get a second form ;) |
| 19:21.04 | Astryl | OK. :) |
| 19:21.50 | Ktron | though, one quick question, your shapeshifthing thing... you press shift-control for travel form, for example, right? |
| 19:21.59 | Cairenn | well, I've no idea about druid, so I can't help much, but it definitely looks like you've got an audience for them |
| 19:22.32 | Astryl | Yes, Ktron, but that's my "shift" button, not the actual shift modifier |
| 19:22.51 | Astryl | (Which is bound to a mouse button, so it's ctrl-[mouse3] |
| 19:23.05 | Ktron | Oh, okay... I was going to ask, how do you press shift and shift ?:) |
| 19:23.25 | Astryl | :) |
| 19:23.30 | Ktron | Also, "If a direction shift is not available" might want to read "If a direct shift is not..." instead |
| 19:23.37 | Astryl | Oh, whoops. |
| 19:23.45 | Astryl | Damn, can't edit that, can't login to Astrylian. |
| 19:24.07 | Ktron | but that's it, and I agree with Cairenn, it looks like you've got something people will use |
| 19:24.52 | Astryl | OKie, thanks! :) |
| 19:25.16 | Cairenn | feel free to toss it up on WoWI :) |
| 19:26.04 | Astryl | I'll put it on all the major sites when it's ready. :) |
| 19:26.37 | Astryl | Thds |
| 19:26.40 | Astryl | bah |
| 19:27.11 | Astryl | The whole point of it is that I use a graphics tablet rather than a mouse; I use a pen with 3 total buttons, and 4 buttons on the side of the tablet... |
| 19:27.30 | Ktron | heh, that's unique for Wow |
| 19:27.51 | Astryl | I can control all forms from just my pen and tablet; only need left hand for movement |
| 19:28.06 | Astryl | Heh, it's unique for all gaming, Ktron :) |
| 19:28.15 | Astryl | (You should see my try to play FPS's with it!) |
| 19:28.44 | Astryl | Well, that's not really accurate... I still don't use a mouse for FPSs, but I don't use my tablet either. |
| 19:29.01 | Astryl | I use an XBox controller :) |
| 19:29.38 | Astryl | Anyway, semi-afk, working... |
| 19:32.10 | Ktron | heh |
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| 19:41.44 | Cairenn | Hey Tem? It's tomorrow |
| 19:42.14 | Cairenn | any FA's in channel, please go take a look at the FA forum at WoWI, please, we've got something we'd like you to test out before we take it live |
| 19:43.21 | Cairenn | when I say "live", I mean for everyone else, obviously it's live for you right now |
| 19:43.54 | Astryl | FA? |
| 19:44.01 | Cairenn | Featured Artist |
| 19:44.41 | Cairenn | Cide, Iriel, some of the Ace crew, Mondinga, whoever has a category to themselves |
| 19:57.24 | Corrodias | ah, my loyal fans |
| 19:57.38 | Tain | I am a category of my own. |
| 19:57.38 | Astryl | Yes, you! |
| 19:58.07 | Astryl | Go read my forum posts again, Corrodias! :) |
| 19:58.25 | Corrodias | what posts.. |
| 19:58.51 | Astryl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-druid&ThreadID=700351 |
| 19:58.57 | Astryl | Last post on the first page specifically. |
| 19:59.47 | Corrodias | well, i like to hit the keys manually... i'm not a big macro guy |
| 20:00.09 | Corrodias | in fact, i don't currently have any macros. i'm thinking of adding one when i get Nature somethingorother to cast healing touch immediately, though |
| 20:00.50 | Corrodias | in fact, the "finger dance" is part of what i find so exciting about a "busy" battle |
| 20:00.55 | Astryl | OK fine, be completely unhelpful :) |
| 20:01.30 | Corrodias | i also dislike when people say things like this: "If you do release something like this (and I hope you do), I would really like to the the functionality from DruidFunc and druidbar incorperated so I can get closer to having all my druid mods rolled up into one." |
| 20:01.59 | Astryl | As you can see from my response to that post, I do too. |
| 20:02.03 | Corrodias | :) |
| 20:02.30 | Corrodias | "please absorb these other addons plus a bunch of other ones that i use and become one huge addon so i can just use one single addon for everything" |
| 20:02.43 | Corrodias | i bet it's people like that who use compilations :P |
| 20:02.57 | Astryl | Yeah... |
| 20:03.15 | Corrodias | what weenies |
| 20:03.17 | Astryl | Well, more specifically, it's people like that who use compilations and leave every addon on. |
| 20:03.35 | Astryl | I use Cosmos + several others, but turn half of cosmos off. |
| 20:03.40 | Corrodias | they let other people do the thinking for them! |
| 20:04.13 | Corrodias | nah, i'm just being a little mean |
| 20:04.49 | Tem | no I hate compilations |
| 20:04.57 | Tem | I don't understand it |
| 20:06.41 | Corrodias | now to see if i can 1) find a reliable way to trigger my game's crash problem and 2) fix it |
| 20:08.55 | Corrodias | TO ZF! |
| 20:12.48 | Legorol | evening |
| 20:13.05 | Legorol | anyone has in-depth experience and understanding of blizzard scrollframes and editboxes? |
| 20:13.14 | Legorol | i have a small issue that i am trying to debug.. |
| 20:15.38 | Legorol | I have a scrollframe set up as in : http://wow.pastebin.com/524499 |
| 20:16.16 | Legorol | now the thing that is weird is when I do scrollFrame:UpdateScrollChildRect() |
| 20:16.21 | Legorol | say manually |
| 20:16.27 | Legorol | Here is what i found so far: |
| 20:16.45 | Legorol | * under most circumstances, it updates the child rect to be the bounding box of the edit box |
| 20:17.18 | Legorol | * if i move the cursor to the end of the edit box and hit enter, so that the cursor is on a new, empty line at the end by itself, the height of the editbox doesn't change |
| 20:17.48 | Legorol | however, calling UpdateScrollChildRect() at this point does seem to update the child rect based on the edit box height + the new line |
| 20:18.04 | Legorol | i.e. the bounding box seems to be taken as the editbox's height + the cursor |
| 20:18.33 | Legorol | * at this point, moving the cursor away to another place in the editbox and calling UpdateScrollChildRect() causes the child rect to be based on just the editbox's height |
| 20:18.39 | Legorol | I'm getting a bit confused |
| 20:18.57 | Astryl | I was really confused when you said 'evening'. |
| 20:19.09 | Legorol | when does and doesn't UpdateScrollChildRect() take into account the extra newline at the end of the editbox |
| 20:19.14 | Legorol | because it sometimes seems to and sometimes not |
| 20:19.29 | Legorol | the editbox's height itself never takes it into account |
| 20:23.54 | Astryl | Today has been a very good day for fishing... 58 Stonescale in about 4hr of fishing. |
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| 20:32.58 | Shouryuu | rawr... |
| 20:33.25 | Astryl | Hey Shouryuu, do you play a druid? |
| 20:33.57 | Natasem | no he plays a gnome |
| 20:34.49 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:34.54 | Shouryuu | I have a lvl 22 druid |
| 20:34.59 | Shouryuu | and a 60 priest |
| 20:35.09 | Shouryuu | tauren/troll |
| 20:35.11 | Shouryuu | porque? |
| 20:35.24 | Shouryuu | If I may be as inquisitive as to ask, of course. |
| 20:37.27 | pagefault | porque? |
| 20:38.02 | Iriel | "why" |
| 20:38.04 | Iriel | more or less |
| 20:38.10 | pagefault | pourquoi you mean then :) |
| 20:38.32 | Iriel | I think Shouryuu is allowed to mutilate french as much as everyone else mutilates english |
| 20:38.34 | Astryl | Why: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-druid&ThreadID=700351 |
| 20:39.45 | Iriel | Plus porque is a word |
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| 20:46.46 | Beladona | ..... |
| 20:46.55 | Beladona | the bad thing about doing a good job at your work place: |
| 20:46.55 | Astryl | ...? |
| 20:46.57 | Tem | it's just spanish not french |
| 20:47.00 | Beladona | they pile more on |
| 20:47.03 | Tem | lol Beladona |
| 20:47.14 | Beladona | they want me to take over company purchasing |
| 20:47.21 | Beladona | in addition to it |
| 20:47.42 | Verlaine | Astryl the shifting scripts are really cool |
| 20:47.59 | Astryl | You have em? |
| 20:48.41 | Astryl | Or... You want em? |
| 20:49.22 | Beladona | shifting scripts? |
| 20:49.43 | Verlaine | I don't have them but they would be usefil |
| 20:49.46 | Verlaine | *useful |
| 20:49.52 | Astryl | shapeshifting for druids, bela |
| 20:49.59 | Verlaine | <== Shouryuu here =P |
| 20:50.01 | Beladona | mmm |
| 20:50.06 | Astryl | Ahh, ok. :) |
| 20:50.12 | Verlaine | taking 4 keys for shapeshifting sucks :P |
| 20:50.16 | Beladona | I know what it is, I meant the script itself |
| 20:50.21 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 20:50.54 | Astryl | OK... |
| 20:51.03 | Astryl | Keep in mind that this is tailored for me... |
| 20:51.11 | Verlaine | Yeah I know |
| 20:51.16 | Verlaine | I don't even have the game installed anyways |
| 20:51.35 | Verlaine | won't be playing till next week (first time since Christmas whippeeee!!!!!) |
| 20:51.40 | Astryl | http://wow.pastebin.com/524567 |
| 20:51.51 | Verlaine | but yeah I guess they would be generally apreciated by most druids |
| 20:51.57 | Verlaine | cool thanks :P |
| 20:53.14 | Astryl | I really need to clean up that code, but that's how it is (and works) for me. |
| 20:53.36 | Verlaine | I am *no* expert on cleaning up :P |
| 20:53.46 | Astryl | No moonkin, and with a black striped nightsaber, dropped in action slot 22. |
| 20:53.53 | Verlaine | the french say "Why do things simply if you can do it in a complicated manner" |
| 20:54.04 | Astryl | Heh |
| 20:54.21 | Beladona | looks fairly clean to me |
| 20:54.25 | Verlaine | yeah |
| 20:54.45 | Verlaine | I guess you get an error when shifting into aquatic form |
| 20:54.46 | krka | i wonder if that script could be put into GRAB |
| 20:54.53 | Verlaine | error as in |
| 20:55.14 | Verlaine | you get a message saying that you're in water and can't shift into travel form |
| 20:55.15 | Astryl | lol... Just got a call, asking for my girlfriend... Said she was "Jennifer from Yellow Rose", and needed our apt# because the address they had for us was incomplete. |
| 20:55.26 | Astryl | Yeah, you do. |
| 20:55.34 | Astryl | If you know any way to tell if you're in water, let me know. |
| 20:55.43 | Verlaine | I really don't care at all |
| 20:55.54 | Verlaine | I'm more of a functionality person when it comes to WoW |
| 20:55.57 | Astryl | It still works either way, but you get an error either way. |
| 20:56.01 | Verlaine | yeah |
| 20:56.04 | Corrodias | very... interesting. my wow has gotten through the "loading" part but it's still just sitting on the loading screen. |
| 20:56.14 | Verlaine | and their is no way to check if you're in water |
| 20:56.27 | Astryl | Anyway, I told "Jennifer from Yellow" our apt#... |
| 20:56.30 | Corrodias | ah, okay, i'm in, now. |
| 20:56.38 | Verlaine | the best I came up with is measuring your spead, but that's still ugly |
| 20:56.39 | Astryl | Then after we hung up, I wondered what "Yellow Rose" was. |
| 20:56.44 | Astryl | Looked it up on google... |
| 20:56.56 | Astryl | First hit for "Yellow Rose" is an adult escort service. |
| 20:57.00 | Astryl | (!) |
| 20:57.03 | Verlaine | haha |
| 20:57.19 | Astryl | Well, turns out it's also a florist in my town. |
| 20:57.22 | Verlaine | lol |
| 20:57.26 | Astryl | Heh. |
| 20:58.41 | Verlaine | And would anyone know why Fable is reporting my processor speed at 800Mhz when it's supposed to be at 1.7GHz? |
| 20:59.28 | Iriel | Are you on a laptop (or do you have speedstep or equivalent enabled) ? |
| 21:00.25 | Verlaine | laptop |
| 21:00.32 | Astryl | That was my first guess... And if not what iriel said, it might be due to hyperthreading if you have a P4. |
| 21:01.01 | Verlaine | man I feel so ignorant |
| 21:01.07 | Iriel | check your power settings, it's probably throttling back the cpu to save power |
| 21:01.21 | Verlaine | I use this machine like 20% of my time and I don't know shit about it |
| 21:01.23 | Iriel | I dont think P4's go down that low do they? |
| 21:03.10 | Verlaine | lol |
| 21:04.10 | Beladona | hyperthreading shouldn't cause false reporting of cpu speed, but speedstep would |
| 21:04.21 | Beladona | or centrino mobile as I think they are now calling it |
| 21:05.17 | Verlaine | indeed |
| 21:05.20 | Verlaine | centrino I have |
| 21:05.25 | Verlaine | the game runs fine |
| 21:05.36 | Verlaine | I just get a warning before launching that my cpu isn't quick enough =( |
| 21:05.48 | Beladona | I get that too |
| 21:05.57 | Beladona | you have a Pentium M right? |
| 21:06.28 | Beladona | WOW tells me my processor is not fast enough for it |
| 21:06.32 | Beladona | when installing |
| 21:06.38 | Beladona | when it sure as hell is |
| 21:06.44 | Verlaine | Pentium M? |
| 21:06.52 | Beladona | yeah |
| 21:07.06 | Shouryuu | as in? |
| 21:07.08 | Beladona | if it says Centrino, it should be a Pentium M |
| 21:07.15 | Beladona | or a Pentium D |
| 21:07.50 | Beladona | right click on My Computer and go to properties |
| 21:07.57 | Beladona | should tell you at the bottom |
| 21:08.51 | Shouryuu | M indeed |
| 21:08.57 | Beladona | =) |
| 21:09.19 | Beladona | just ignore the error |
| 21:09.35 | Beladona | doesn't mean anything except the developer needs to patch in pM detection |
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| 21:14.14 | Corrodias | people are too sure of themselves to accept my suggestion that my client is unstable |
| 21:14.45 | Corrodias | i don't know what is wrong with wow players... there are some real failures |
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| 21:15.35 | Astryl | I think you get better over time. |
| 21:15.40 | Astryl | And not just with level. |
| 21:16.21 | Astryl | I'm almost to 60 on my 3rd character... I logged in to my first 60 the other day, a NE Hunter... I realized he was wearing some green lvl45 boots of the WHALE. |
| 21:16.46 | Astryl | I don't have a clue what I was thinking back then. |
| 21:17.48 | Corrodias | i don't recognize that suffix |
| 21:17.52 | Shouryuu | +hp |
| 21:17.58 | Shouryuu | +stam in other words |
| 21:18.07 | Astryl | Whale = +stam and +spirit. |
| 21:18.26 | Shouryuu | whale was +hp in D2 :P |
| 21:18.27 | Corrodias | hunters have some use for spirit, not so much for stamina unless it's pvp |
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| 21:18.58 | Astryl | I think for a hunter, Boar (str/spr) would be the only thing worse than whale. |
| 21:20.37 | Kirkburn | Can anyone change forum thread names on WoWI? |
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| 21:31.37 | pagefault | yay |
| 21:31.39 | pagefault | I found $20 |
| 21:31.40 | pagefault | I can eat |
| 21:32.21 | Corrodias | hooray |
| 21:34.47 | Corrodias | i don't suppose anyone wants to lend me a level 60 horde druid on a working realm to test my stability with |
| 21:36.47 | Corrodias | or can go restart the Eldre'Thalas realm, because it's getting all laggy |
| 21:37.52 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: I can, gimme link and tell me what you want it to read |
| 21:40.02 | Cairenn | and did you know that you've got a zip file within the zip file? |
| 21:40.21 | Kirkburn | Heya: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2801 ... from "ClearFont updated for 1.9" to just "ClearFont". It'd be silly starting a new thread when 1.10 comes |
| 21:40.28 | Kirkburn | I do? |
| 21:40.31 | Cairenn | yup |
| 21:40.37 | Cairenn | edit your upload |
| 21:40.44 | Kirkburn | Lol, the beta! |
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| 21:41.23 | Cairenn | thread name changed |
| 21:41.59 | Kirkburn | Thanks! I totally messed up the beta anyway |
| 21:43.17 | Cairenn | fixed? |
| 21:44.13 | Cairenn | tell me when you've fixed your upload, I'll approve it then |
| 21:46.57 | Kirkburn | Chugging along, it is |
| 21:48.46 | Kirkburn | Quite how I managed that total mess is beyond me :s Forgot to include the mini-website (the main POINT of the beta) and also including the previous beta as a zip within it! |
| 21:50.11 | Kirkburn | Moral: don't do things in a rush |
| 21:50.26 | Cairenn | defecation occurreth |
| 21:51.48 | Kirkburn | Indeed ... it's uploaded now |
| 21:52.11 | Cairenn | and approved |
| 21:53.22 | Kirkburn | Thanks! Well, ClearFont v11000 Alpha 2 is up for anyone that cares :) Not for use in game, but feedback on the mini-website and the new lua code is appreciated! |
| 21:58.20 | Kirkburn | This is interesting, how to print 3d models of WoW characters: http://ogle.eyebeamresearch.org/ |
| 21:59.39 | Astryl | Whoa. |
| 21:59.51 | Astryl | That's frelling cool. |
| 22:00.47 | Shouryuu | yeah :P |
| 22:02.43 | Shouryuu | well 'gnight young ones |
| 22:06.48 | Beladona | homeward! |
| 22:07.03 | Cairenn | later Bela |
| 22:07.18 | Cairenn | so, FAs, what do you think so far? |
| 22:07.53 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@josephpartners.com) |
| 22:11.13 | Cairenn | under Admin Area > Portal Options > Site Settings, down at the bottom is where you can add and manage personal links |
| 22:11.30 | Cairenn | below the welcome message area |
| 22:11.33 | Iriel | I was expecting something more integrated |
| 22:11.49 | Iriel | with the same kind of info as the forum summaries have (last post, etc) |
| 22:12.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri (n=andrews@202-180-70-133.jetbuster.co.nz) |
| 22:12.36 | Cairenn | well, please *do* put feedback and suggestions on the thread, we want this to be good |
| 22:13.08 | zespri | there used to be a site that displayed a graph with number of players playing differen mmorpg. any body remeber the link? |
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| 22:15.09 | Cairenn | hey Sarf :) |
| 22:15.19 | sarf|WoW | Hola! |
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| 22:23.29 | Shouryuu | ugh |
| 22:23.58 | Shouryuu | I need to put my mind of shit but I have no way of doing so... |
| 22:24.12 | Shouryuu | the 5U><0RZ |
| 22:24.52 | Astryl | Anyone know of an example of s minimap button? |
| 22:25.12 | cladhaire | Evening all |
| 22:26.13 | Cairenn | hey cladhaire |
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| 22:31.10 | cladhaire | How is everyone this evening? |
| 22:31.29 | Cairenn | good, you? |
| 22:31.31 | Osagasu | Celecrating Winter-Een-MAs the only way I know how |
| 22:31.36 | Osagasu | *Celebrating |
| 22:32.29 | Cairenn | nervous, if truth be told |
| 22:32.48 | Osagasu | eh? |
| 22:33.18 | Shouryuu | feel like fucking shit |
| 22:33.21 | Corrodias | haha, ET is having the usual lag-before-a-crash |
| 22:33.27 | Corrodias | /restart |
| 22:33.31 | cladhaire | Don't be nervous. I dont' expect it to be a catch all for everyone, but I'll definitely pull in some people.. and make those there so much more comfortable =) |
| 22:34.01 | Cairenn | well, an awful lot of time and effort went into it, hoping you guys will like it, since that's who it's for |
| 22:34.20 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:34.21 | cladhaire | I do |
| 22:34.28 | cladhaire | and I will be sure to post feedback |
| 22:34.30 | Cairenn | been sitting here chewing my nails all day, waiting to hear back what you guys think |
| 22:34.39 | cladhaire | you knew i liked it = |
| 22:34.39 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:35.09 | Cairenn | you liked the concept, now you are getting to see the real thing |
| 22:35.23 | cladhaire | yes.. but you guys have funny way of actually delivering a concept =) |
| 22:36.20 | Cairenn | I mean, I know you guys can't say a lot until you get a chance to play around with it some, but ... |
| 22:36.40 | cladhaire | i have feedback... dont you worry =) |
| 22:39.46 | sarf|stuff | Uhm... if I could get someone to beta test (well, not really, but...) the latest stable and the latest alpha version of PopupHandler I'd appreciate it. :) |
| 22:39.50 | sarf|stuff | Stable : http://www.fukt.bth.se/~k/wow/scripts/PopupHandler/ |
| 22:39.56 | sarf|stuff | (v0.06) |
| 22:40.31 | sarf|stuff | 0.06-test is latest alpha |
| 22:40.45 | sarf|stuff | PopupHandler is a way to automatically (somewhat) handle the popups you get |
| 22:40.57 | Cairenn | dependencies? |
| 22:40.59 | sarf|stuff | including auto-accepting group invites from friends and guildies |
| 22:41.01 | sarf|stuff | None |
| 22:41.08 | sarf|stuff | It works better with CosmosSchedule and/or Chronos |
| 22:41.17 | sarf|stuff | (if you know of more schedule addons, please honk at me) |
| 22:41.44 | sarf|stuff | New in the latest versions are (other than code cleanup) the ability to automate BG stuff a tad |
| 22:42.06 | sarf|stuff | (auto leave BG when over, auto leave group on exiting BG, alpha has ability to leave group on *entering* BG) |
| 22:43.11 | sarf|stuff | Also, auto-accepting Summons is currently a bit clunky - I hope to add a simple "auto-accept on timeout" on it instead |
| 22:43.27 | sarf|stuff | (now it goes "Summon in 3" "2" "1" <boom>) |
| 22:43.57 | sarf|stuff | Also has support for autohiding UI when it knows that you are gonna "zone" (summons / BG) since this seems to improve my personal performance |
| 22:44.09 | sarf|stuff | (also when you release spirit) |
| 22:44.37 | sarf|stuff | In fact, it has too many options, I should really start to divide them up a bit |
| 22:44.44 | sarf|stuff | (too lazy with that GUI thingy) |
| 22:45.15 | sarf|stuff | Also, note that the options, while rather easy to adjust for anyone conversant with SavedVariables.lua, are rather clunky to adjust without Cosmos / Khaos |
| 22:46.28 | sarf|stuff | Whups |
| 22:46.34 | sarf|stuff | Discovered a small bug... |
| 22:47.23 | sarf|stuff | It doesn't save its options without Khaos. Ouch. |
| 22:47.25 | sarf|stuff | Anyhow. |
| 22:48.12 | sarf|stuff | Uhm... I guess I've blabbed on too much. It's late-ish and I should sleep so I can farm Rich Thorium Veins tomorrow (as well as getting headstart on AV queue). |
| 22:48.24 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:48.30 | Cairenn | sweet dreams sarf|stuff :) |
| 22:49.54 | Astryl | Hey Cairenn... |
| 22:50.20 | Cairenn | yeah Astryl? |
| 22:50.22 | Astryl | There was a WoW GUI designer app that was beta'd through WoWI a while ago... |
| 22:50.29 | Astryl | Do you know what the status of it is? |
| 22:50.30 | Cairenn | it's still there |
| 22:50.34 | Astryl | Publicly available yet? |
| 22:50.38 | Cairenn | it's been live for ages hun :) |
| 22:50.45 | Astryl | Heh, OK :) |
| 22:50.48 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=49&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate |
| 22:50.52 | Astryl | Thanks |
| 22:50.58 | Cairenn | np hun :) |
| 22:51.23 | sarf|stuff | Bah |
| 22:51.37 | sarf|stuff | Back in my days, we moved around our XML elements in game. |
| 22:51.50 | sarf|stuff | And we *liked it* that way! |
| 22:53.30 | krka | hmm... maybe I should try that with wine |
| 22:53.54 | Astryl | What's the name of that app from blizz that extracts all the Ui files? |
| 22:54.13 | krka | damn it |
| 22:54.15 | krka | stupid .msi file |
| 22:54.27 | Kirkburn | CustomInterfaceKit? |
| 22:55.07 | cladhaire | just use wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 22:55.12 | cladhaire | unless you need the graphics |
| 22:55.18 | cladhaire | makes it easier to unpack it wherever you want |
| 22:55.34 | Cairenn | http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01669p |
| 22:55.58 | krka | anyone gotten the wow-editor-thingy to work in linux? |
| 22:56.33 | krka | alternatively, can anyone make me a gui? =) |
| 22:57.00 | sarf|stuff | try it with mono |
| 22:57.05 | sarf|stuff | I suspect it's .NET 2.0 tho |
| 22:57.24 | Cairenn | check the threads, krka, he may already have a way for you to use it in Linux, dunno |
| 22:57.50 | Tem | the though of writing platform specific things annoys me now |
| 22:57.56 | Tem | s/though/thought/ |
| 23:00.04 | krka | can't even get wine to recognize the installer |
| 23:00.39 | Tem | try cedega? |
| 23:01.10 | sarf|stuff | Cairenn> To what threads do you refer? |
| 23:01.55 | sarf|stuff | Stuff that question in a black hole. |
| 23:02.31 | Cairenn | in the forum about the program |
| 23:03.14 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 23:03.16 | sarf|stuff | Sorry about that |
| 23:03.23 | sarf|stuff | Talk about asking before looking <blush> |
| 23:03.30 | Cairenn | no worries :) |
| 23:04.18 | sarf|stuff | Yeah, but I know how fun it is to answer such questions myself. :/ |
| 23:04.29 | sarf|stuff | I blame the Germans! |
| 23:04.34 | sarf|stuff | (that always works!) |
| 23:04.36 | Shouryuu | blame canada.. |
| 23:05.10 | Shouryuu | whooops |
| 23:05.17 | Shouryuu | forgot about Cair |
| 23:05.53 | Cairenn | lern2reed |
| 23:06.02 | sarf|stuff | too few 3s there |
| 23:06.08 | sarf|stuff | It's almost legible! |
| 23:06.11 | sarf|stuff | tsk tsk |
| 23:06.17 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 23:06.19 | sarf|stuff | What's leet speek for, if not obfuscation! |
| 23:06.54 | sarf|stuff | (heard that some rebellious Chinese used it to circumvent their government filters - the first time leet speex has actually been used for something... well... useful!) |
| 23:07.06 | Cairenn | nice |
| 23:07.17 | Shouryuu | 0|3|=|_|5(47!0|\| |
| 23:07.22 | Shouryuu | I guess... |
| 23:07.39 | AnduinLothar | ya if you've got a web site in leet you can distribute a decoder plugin.. |
| 23:08.38 | sarf|stuff | Of course, http://alltooflat.com/geeky/elgoog/ works too |
| 23:09.32 | Astryl | Hmm... |
| 23:09.34 | Astryl | Cair? |
| 23:09.57 | Cairenn | ya? |
| 23:10.39 | Shouryuu | hahah sarf I love you |
| 23:11.08 | sarf|stuff | ^^ |
| 23:12.06 | Natasem | bah |
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| 23:17.37 | Astryl | Cairennnnnnn |
| 23:17.44 | Cairenn | whhhhhhaaaaat? |
| 23:17.47 | Astryl | I'm trying to use wowuides, and running into issues... |
| 23:17.59 | Cairenn | ask in forums, me no know |
| 23:18.00 | Astryl | Tried following the tutorial, and what I see isn't matching it. |
| 23:18.06 | Astryl | Awww, c'mon. :( |
| 23:18.11 | Astryl | Anyone used it? |
| 23:18.14 | Cairenn | I sowwy |
| 23:18.28 | Astryl | I think it's just a setup issue or something. |
| 23:18.50 | Astryl | Ohhhh |
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| 23:23.44 | sarf|stuff | Sorry, Astryl |
| 23:23.49 | sarf|stuff | Need to get .NET 2.0 |
| 23:23.51 | sarf|stuff | and sleep |
| 23:23.53 | sarf|stuff | and warez |
| 23:23.57 | Astryl | np |
| 23:24.00 | Cairenn | eww warez! |
| 23:24.01 | sarf|stuff | and lots of Thorium and Arcane Crystal |
| 23:24.04 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 23:24.11 | Astryl | OK, maybe someone can help with this basic question. |
| 23:24.14 | Astryl | Tab control. How? |
| 23:24.15 | sarf|stuff | I need my american TV-show fix, or I curl up and sulk. |
| 23:25.08 | Tain | I think maybe the question is too basic. A little more information. Tab control what? |
| 23:25.25 | Astryl | OK, what would the xml for a tab conrol be? |
| 23:25.34 | sarf|stuff | Tabbing between fields / buttons I guess |
| 23:26.32 | Iriel | Do any of the standard UI's do that? |
| 23:26.40 | Iriel | I mean, built into the game, that is |
| 23:26.48 | Astryl | No, you know, a tab control. ie several panels on top of each other, with a tab for each to choose which one is shown |
| 23:26.57 | Astryl | Sure, the interface options screen does. |
| 23:27.03 | Iriel | Ah, those. |
| 23:27.03 | Astryl | Advanced vs Basic |
| 23:27.13 | Iriel | I think they're just buttons with some show/hide logic |
| 23:27.17 | Iriel | (FriendsFrame does also) |
| 23:27.31 | Astryl | Ah, yep |
| 23:27.35 | Tain | They aren't real tabs, yeah. Just a button to look like a tab, click on it and it hides one window and shows another. |
| 23:27.55 | Astryl | OK, how do I make a button look like that? |
| 23:28.03 | Iriel | read blizzards' code and see? |
| 23:28.16 | Astryl | But that's scary! |
| 23:28.19 | Tain | The question may be basic, but the answers aren't quite as simple. :) |
| 23:28.19 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:28.21 | Iriel | Afterall, that's what I'd have to do to answer the question |
| 23:28.32 | Astryl | Bah, this sucks. I give up. |
| 23:28.35 | Astryl | (j/k) |
| 23:28.54 | Astryl | OK, here's a good one. |
| 23:28.57 | Astryl | Scrolling. |
| 23:29.07 | Tain | You just have to pick the hard answers, don't you? |
| 23:29.19 | Astryl | ... |
| 23:29.27 | Astryl | ...There's no built in scrollable container support? |
| 23:29.31 | sarf|stuff | Err |
| 23:29.34 | sarf|stuff | Most of them are Fake |
| 23:29.40 | Tain | hehe |
| 23:29.44 | sarf|stuff | e.g. take a certain number of display elements |
| 23:29.48 | sarf|stuff | (button 1 - 5) |
| 23:29.59 | sarf|stuff | then depending on position of scroll index |
| 23:30.09 | sarf|stuff | you fill the display index with the "right" info |
| 23:30.31 | Shouryuu | even *I* managed that... |
| 23:30.49 | krka | isn't the blizzard scrollframe kinda real? |
| 23:30.55 | krka | it performs clipping and stuff |
| 23:31.02 | sarf|stuff | There are real scrollframes |
| 23:31.35 | sarf|stuff | Sages whisper about them, Blizzard is silent, and only Billy Bob the Bodacious Bowlingball knows much about them |
| 23:31.37 | Iriel | Yes, there are real and fake scroll bars |
| 23:31.56 | Iriel | s/bars/regions/ |
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| 23:32.10 | sarf|stuff | Astryl> You opened Datavertex server |
| 23:32.12 | Iriel | The FauxScrollFrame style ones (Think auction, skills, etc) |
| 23:32.17 | sarf|stuff | Without opening a new server window |
| 23:32.19 | Astryl | ... |
| 23:32.29 | sarf|stuff | Astryl> Learn to parallax, dude! |
| 23:32.31 | Astryl | ... *wonders how he did that* |
| 23:32.32 | Iriel | ANd the real ones ScrollFrame (Think quest text) |
| 23:32.54 | sarf|stuff | Which clips What into Wh |
| 23:32.55 | sarf|stuff | at |
| 23:33.00 | sarf|stuff | GG, blizzard! :) |
| 23:33.30 | Shouryuu | I'm going slightly mad, I'm going sligghhhtly mad! |
| 23:33.30 | Shouryuu | It finally happened, happened, happened.. |
| 23:34.02 | sarf|stuff | Now playing: Galenskaparna & After Shave - Truckdriving Song |
| 23:34.07 | Astryl | OK, I'm starting to understand... |
| 23:34.19 | Astryl | Let me guess... There's no built in way to do radio buttons either. |
| 23:34.26 | Iriel | Astryl : Correct |
| 23:34.35 | Astryl | Just gotta do a much of checkboxes and write your own code to uncheck the others when one is checked. |
| 23:34.36 | Shouryuu | you and you're crazy ideas... |
| 23:34.55 | Astryl | Jeeze, and I thought .NET was hard to work with. |
| 23:35.09 | Iriel | The blizzard UI library is simple |
| 23:35.17 | sarf|stuff | But not feature rich |
| 23:35.20 | Iriel | you can always build your own abstractions on top of it |
| 23:35.25 | Iriel | with relatively little code |
| 23:35.37 | sarf|stuff | Yeah, but there's no real reason not provide some constructs to us poor code peons :) |
| 23:35.40 | Iriel | Look at drop down menus, they're built entirely out of buttons |
| 23:35.46 | sarf|stuff | (read: I am lazy and I want to remain that way!) |
| 23:35.56 | Astryl | Iriel, don't tell me that. |
| 23:36.07 | Cairenn | Dolby responds |
| 23:36.12 | Iriel | But blizzard give you utility methods for drop downs |
| 23:36.13 | Astryl | Err... wait, I have to build my own dropdown menus? |
| 23:36.37 | Iriel | No, but that's my point, you just have to write a raidio button template, and you can pretend you dont have to build your own |
| 23:36.45 | Iriel | s/raidio/radio/ |
| 23:36.58 | krka | well, except blizzards dropdowns are crap, so you have to redo them anyway :P |
| 23:37.09 | krka | or do they still fuck up when the map changes? |
| 23:37.19 | Iriel | I wouldn't go so far as to say 'crap' |
| 23:37.26 | Iriel | but they've got some re-entrancy issues |
| 23:37.29 | Iriel | I think they fixed that |
| 23:37.54 | Iriel | It was really a bug with the map event handling tho |
| 23:38.03 | sarf|stuff | Hey, I thought they "fixed" the issue with people "blinking" across terrain too! Imagine my surprise when people looked like they were all partying under a stroboscope :) |
| 23:38.05 | Tain | There used to be issues where some dropdown menus wouldn't go away when you clicked outside of them. |
| 23:38.15 | Tain | I don't know if that's still there. |
| 23:38.15 | krka | yeah, the map event took over the dropdowns |
| 23:38.30 | Tain | Oh ok. |
| 23:39.08 | krka | is there just one global blizzard dropdown btw or can you instanciate your own? |
| 23:39.19 | Iriel | There's only one "active dropdown" |
| 23:39.37 | Iriel | If you follow the rules then it's not a problem |
| 23:39.41 | krka | still max 3 levels? |
| 23:39.48 | Shouryuu | First time read the word stroboscope, I read it Strobinoscope and was like "Is this some sort of pasta sauce?" |
| 23:39.57 | Iriel | I think so. |
| 23:40.07 | sarf|stuff | See, Iriel agrees with ya Shouryuu! |
| 23:40.08 | Iriel | I might write my own dynamic version come 1.10 |
| 23:40.12 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 23:42.06 | sarf|stuff | Anyhow! Time for bed. Thanks to AnduinLothar for making this night include a highly interesting discussion with regards to automation. :) |
| 23:43.21 | Shouryuu | night young ones |
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