| 00:00.51 | Tem | Iriel, you here? |
| 00:01.18 | Tem | you would think that by now I would know that having to actually type out someone's name means they aren't here... |
| 00:01.35 | Kirkburn | Genius! MS Antispyware asked me whether to block the Blizz Repair Utility. This was immediately after it running for 10 mins then CLOSING. Oh, and hello popup, you're a bit late aren't you? |
| 00:03.05 | cladhaire | Haha |
| 00:04.36 | Kirkburn | It fortunately (?) found no errors, so I'm stumped as to why my screen white-outs when running some games, *some* of the time |
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| 00:26.44 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Mod Dev Discussions: If you are happy and you know it, split a string! |
| 00:26.53 | cladhaire | OMG hey Purl! |
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| 00:43.35 | Ktron | purl, you are the man! |
| 00:43.36 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Ktron |
| 00:43.45 | Ktron | purl, you know |
| 00:43.49 | Ktron | purl, the man is a good thing |
| 00:43.51 | purl | ...but man is already something else... |
| 00:44.01 | Ktron | purl, what is the man? |
| 00:44.04 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Ktron |
| 00:44.07 | Ktron | purl, what is the man |
| 00:44.09 | purl | Ktron: I think you lost me on that one |
| 00:44.14 | Ktron | purl, man? |
| 00:44.15 | purl | i heard man is Displays the manual page for that given command or resource (that is, any system utility that isn't a command, such as a library function. Syntax: man (command). Where command is the name of the command or resource to get help on. Example: man ls gives help on the ls command. |
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| 01:04.26 | Guillotine | anyone have any idea on a moderated channel in WoW if you can set the default setting to unmuted? |
| 01:51.42 | AnduinLothar | when did they put dranei exiles in the swamp of sorrows.. |
| 01:52.10 | Tem | sometime between beta and release |
| 01:52.19 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 01:52.23 | Tem | possibly earlier than that |
| 01:52.37 | AnduinLothar | lol... that part of my map was never explored |
| 01:53.06 | Tem | Iriel: is it me or are a lot of the new methods that slouken announced today were already there? |
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| 02:05.27 | zeeg | Anyone here good with design? |
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| 02:11.29 | clad|food | What kind of design? =) |
| 02:18.42 | Tem | guess he didn't want your help cladhaire |
| 02:21.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zeeg (n=wguru@63.147.183.47) |
| 02:22.05 | zeeg | Anyone here good at design |
| 02:22.06 | zeeg | not sure if i asked |
| 02:23.26 | cladhaire | what kind of design zeeg? |
| 02:23.42 | zeeg | i need help w/ a search page |
| 02:23.56 | cladhaire | lol, define "help" =) |
| 02:24.06 | zeeg | well i tried doing it on my own and couldnt come up w/ anything |
| 02:24.08 | zeeg | http://www.thottbot.com/ <- more or less something that looks like that, but using wowguru's setup |
| 02:24.19 | zeeg | http://toronto.ibegin.com/ - my boss just did this and i liked it |
| 02:24.29 | cladhaire | hrm. |
| 02:24.50 | cladhaire | nothing jumps out at me |
| 02:24.57 | cladhaire | and thottbot has the google style compeltely cornered =) |
| 02:25.17 | zeeg | hrm |
| 02:25.52 | cladhaire | I like the toronto one.. but those colors are more suited to something lik that |
| 02:27.34 | Parak | http://wowtwonewraces.ytmnd.com/ |
| 02:27.59 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:27.59 | zeeg | i got an idea |
| 02:27.59 | cladhaire | ince |
| 02:28.01 | zeeg | ya i know |
| 02:28.27 | Depherios | try the the man |
| 02:28.30 | Depherios | whoop |
| 02:28.37 | Depherios | stupid trillian being scrolled up all the way |
| 02:44.11 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/db/search.php |
| 02:44.13 | zeeg | how does that look |
| 02:44.53 | AnduinLothar | like a big ad |
| 02:46.03 | zeeg | the ad has to be there, ignore that |
| 02:46.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wow, that site hits like 5 other sites just to bring up a search box |
| 02:46.47 | zeeg | it has to for tracking purposes |
| 02:47.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tracking purposes? Tracking of what? |
| 02:47.20 | zeeg | hits |
| 02:47.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | Do I have to pull out the tin foil hat again? |
| 02:47.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wait, you have your own search engine, but not a hits counter? |
| 02:48.03 | zeeg | its not as simple as that |
| 02:48.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | What are you using, OS/2 Warp? Even Apache can tell me hits |
| 02:48.22 | zeeg | Don't start into this when you have no clue what you are talking about |
| 02:48.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | No clue about what? |
| 02:48.43 | Cairenn | zeeg |
| 02:48.46 | Cairenn | was that necessary? |
| 02:49.00 | zeeg | Cairenn, yes, it was |
| 02:49.28 | Cairenn | then fine, but confine it to your own channels, please and thank you very kindly |
| 02:49.42 | Cairenn | it is not appreciated nor accepted in mine |
| 02:49.46 | zeeg | ... |
| 02:49.59 | Cairenn | and frankly, I'm tired of you coming in here and getting hte channel all riled up |
| 02:50.04 | zeeg | All riled up? |
| 02:50.06 | zeeg | Honeslty Cairenn |
| 02:50.07 | zeeg | this gets old |
| 02:50.10 | zeeg | I know its your channel |
| 02:50.15 | zeeg | but constantly ignoring the obvious and going after me |
| 02:50.17 | zeeg | is REALLY old |
| 02:50.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | As a potentional user of your website, I was just fielding a question about privacy |
| 02:50.25 | Cide | I must say I agree with her |
| 02:50.30 | Cairenn | either observe common courtesy just as I demand of everyone else in channel, or leave |
| 02:50.55 | zeeg | Cairenn, so why havent you ever dealt w/ Tain |
| 02:51.02 | zeeg | as he constantly "riles up the channel" as you would put it |
| 02:51.13 | Cairenn | I have and I do when it is required |
| 02:51.20 | Cide | zeeg: I hate to say it, but I have seen personal attacks from two people in here; you and someone else I won't bring up. the other person stopped. |
| 02:51.32 | Cairenn | now, enough, either behave cordially or leave, I'm done with this |
| 02:51.50 | zeeg | Cide, but you also must realize that a good chunk of the users in here repeatedly try to insult me, or my work |
| 02:52.10 | zeeg | Tain being one of the obvious, who has repeatedly done it and has maybe once been stopped |
| 02:52.15 | Cide | I'm sorry that happens then... I don't know what people would have against your site |
| 02:52.29 | Cairenn | just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it hasn't been said |
| 02:52.32 | Cide | I can't speak for him, but I have nothing against your site.. but I dislike *your* behaviour in here |
| 02:52.56 | zeeg | Cairenn, then obviously he doesnt listen.. |
| 02:52.58 | Cairenn | this topic is closed |
| 02:53.26 | zeeg | If you don't want me to be offensive to anyone, then I would expect that everytime someone repeatedly bashes wowguru it's dealt w/ (as it isnt now) |
| 02:53.42 | Cairenn | zeeg |
| 02:53.44 | Cairenn | enough |
| 02:53.50 | Cairenn | I said this topic is closed |
| 02:54.33 | zeeg | Look I really don't care. You can moderate however you see fit. But it gets really old when you say one thing, and do the opposite. |
| 02:55.13 | Cairenn | I apologize for the drama folks |
| 02:56.19 | Cide | there rarely is any when he's gone to be honest |
| 02:56.43 | AnduinLothar | he enjoys it |
| 02:57.18 | Cairenn | well, I still apologize for the fact that there was any, whoever was "at fault" |
| 02:57.27 | Cairenn | that isn't the way this channel is supposed to be |
| 02:57.37 | Cairenn | anyway, back to whatever |
| 02:57.46 | Cide | being quiet? ;) |
| 02:58.45 | Cairenn | in my case, eating chocolate and watching a movie |
| 02:59.39 | Cide | in my case, coding php! |
| 02:59.51 | Cide | need to fix our download script, it bothers me a lot |
| 03:01.43 | AnduinLothar | whats wrong with it? |
| 03:01.53 | Cide | it breaks a lot |
| 03:02.06 | AnduinLothar | why? |
| 03:02.09 | Cide | doesn't work on macs (I think.. it didn't before) |
| 03:02.21 | AnduinLothar | sounds useless |
| 03:02.28 | Cide | because we want to allow users to download any combination of mods through selecting mods from a list |
| 03:02.41 | Cide | which involves creating on-the-fly zips |
| 03:02.57 | Cide | which = rather messy |
| 03:03.22 | AnduinLothar | that's serverside isn't it? |
| 03:03.33 | Cide | yes |
| 03:03.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ewww Cide, I remember making that sort of script for myself...yes, it was messy |
| 03:04.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | "pushing" the download to the client |
| 03:04.12 | AnduinLothar | ya but how many addons do you have? |
| 03:04.17 | Cide | 26? 27? |
| 03:04.27 | Cide | and no, you can't create every single combination beforehand |
| 03:04.43 | AnduinLothar | lol, no but you could have the server cache them |
| 03:04.48 | Cide | if we had 20 addons (we have a couple more I believe), that would be 1048576 combinations |
| 03:04.50 | Cide | we do that already |
| 03:05.07 | Cide | but the creation of the zip in the first place is the messy part |
| 03:05.21 | Cide | we're even running two separate zip libraries because one is good at one thing, the other is better at another thing |
| 03:05.59 | Cide | it's rather messy :) |
| 03:06.26 | AnduinLothar | how does it work? |
| 03:07.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cide: php + script or pure php? |
| 03:07.15 | Cide | what do you mean? |
| 03:07.41 | Cide | GenNMX|Thrae: not quite sure what you mean, but it uses php and javascript |
| 03:07.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Are you using a shell script to handle the zipping? |
| 03:07.49 | AnduinLothar | checkboxes for input sent to server, zipping on server while autorefreshing page idles, then download? |
| 03:07.50 | Cide | no |
| 03:08.18 | Cide | it uses pure php for zipping |
| 03:08.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | With that, cache'ing would be simple because it's not in the php file sandbox |
| 03:08.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | It's wherever you want |
| 03:09.05 | Cide | yeah, but you can't cache too much either |
| 03:09.20 | Cide | or it becomes too memory heavy (as compared to cpu without caching) |
| 03:10.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | If you use pure php, yeah |
| 03:10.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | But if you use a shell script, you can just let it chill on your hdd |
| 03:11.20 | Cide | well, our zip files are consistantly ~500mb if we are updating at normal pace |
| 03:11.42 | AnduinLothar | 500? |
| 03:11.47 | Cide | because of the sheer number of download options |
| 03:11.59 | AnduinLothar | oh right, for all combos |
| 03:12.04 | Cide | yep |
| 03:12.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | And you have less then 500mb of storage space? |
| 03:13.01 | Cide | no (thanks cair :)), but it can still be a limiting factor |
| 03:13.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well if 500mb constitutes all the possibilities, I bet 50mb would constitute your most popular |
| 03:14.15 | Cide | all the possibilities would be hundreds of gbs |
| 03:14.21 | AnduinLothar | i would guess ctra is the single most popular, what ranks 2nd cide? |
| 03:14.36 | Cide | not sure, I can't access our cp for some reason |
| 03:14.47 | Cide | most likely mastermod though |
| 03:15.41 | Cide | hm.. can *anyone* access www.ctmod.net ? I can't for some reason |
| 03:16.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | <Cide> Decursive * RandomWarlock enters #wowi-lounge. <RandomWarlock> OMG NERF! * RandomWarlock is killed ( DecursiveUser ( "No nerf needed." ) ) |
| 03:16.23 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 03:16.34 | Cairenn | I'll get Dolby to peek, cide |
| 03:16.46 | Cide | was going to get a hold of him as well, thanks cair |
| 03:16.59 | Cide | GenNMX|Thrae: hehe :) |
| 03:17.05 | Cairenn | told him |
| 03:17.08 | Cide | thanks |
| 03:17.18 | Cairenn | np |
| 03:17.25 | AnduinLothar | ya, i cant get there cide |
| 03:17.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cide: DNS is up, can't ping |
| 03:17.41 | Cide | it'll be fixed in a sec I'm sure |
| 03:17.53 | Cide | it usually is anyway :) |
| 03:18.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | Traceroute goes as far as fortressitx.NewYork.savvis.net |
| 03:18.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Which is the last stop before wowinterface.com too ;) |
| 03:19.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Actually last stop before 65.98.0.299, which I assume is wowinterface.com's hoster |
| 03:25.10 | Cide | http://www.ctmod.net/ |
| 03:25.29 | Cide | lightning fast as usual Cairenn :) |
| 03:25.34 | Cide | many thanks |
| 03:25.50 | Cairenn | thanks goes to Dolby, he's the man :) |
| 03:26.46 | Cide | AnduinLothar: top mod after CTRA seems to be MasterMod, like I thought |
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| 03:28.18 | AnduinLothar | 3rd? |
| 03:28.50 | Cide | hard to say, most mods in CT_Core have roughly the same download count |
| 03:28.57 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 03:29.15 | Cide | and I haven't implented any kind of sorting unfortunately |
| 03:29.25 | AnduinLothar | bug me that cosmos doesn't have a reliable count |
| 03:29.32 | AnduinLothar | it bugs me* |
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| 03:29.53 | Cairenn | so come host with us ;) |
| 03:30.20 | AnduinLothar | it's really not quite that simple |
| 03:30.28 | Cairenn | I know |
| 03:30.47 | Cairenn | but you know I hafta tease you about it once in a while |
| 03:31.00 | AnduinLothar | if you say so |
| 03:31.45 | Cide | ours isn't 100% reliable either, but pretty good at least |
| 03:31.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Because of Cosmos's integration with Thottbot and therefore IGE? |
| 03:32.56 | Cide | don't start any drama, cosmos != IGE |
| 03:33.00 | Cide | please :) |
| 03:33.14 | Cide | I'm not saying your intentions were, but it has been a touchy subject in the past |
| 03:33.27 | AnduinLothar | IGE really only owns the Thottbot.com domain name andhas contract with thott himself. Cosmos isn't the same project at Thottbot, even if it supports it with data |
| 03:33.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well he said there were "complications", I would think Thottbot would be one of them |
| 03:34.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | If Cosmos really was backed by IGE, he wouldn't have any hosting problems ;) |
| 03:34.28 | AnduinLothar | we don't have hosting problems, that's not my point |
| 03:34.59 | AnduinLothar | my point is that atm cosmos is downloaded via entire packages by the majorety of the users |
| 03:35.27 | Cairenn | and there's no way to keep an accurate count |
| 03:35.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | You don't have hosting problems? Must be all the money you get from IGE ;) |
| 03:35.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | I kid, I kid |
| 03:35.51 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: careful :p |
| 03:35.57 | Cairenn | you're pushing |
| 03:36.04 | AnduinLothar | I might be able to tell if alpha was more popular than release, but there's no way to tell if people are updating, downloading the entire thing, how frequently they update.. |
| 03:36.59 | Cide | I would love to know how many people actually use the mods we have on a daily basis, but it's impossible :/ |
| 03:38.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | AnduinLothar: Couldn't you ask for Thottbot to collect usage information as well? |
| 03:39.01 | AnduinLothar | how would you do that? |
| 03:39.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well you can tell what addons they have installed, if they are disabled or not, what version they are |
| 03:40.15 | AnduinLothar | that would have to be tracked by the application and submitted to the server and the server would have to catalogue it |
| 03:42.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right |
| 03:42.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | But it's the only way you can reliably collect usage information |
| 03:43.12 | AnduinLothar | right. so in other words the data isn't currently availible |
| 03:43.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, I'm just saying it's a possibility, if you really want that information. |
| 03:44.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | You could even collect it invisibly, call it "CosmicWarden.lua" :D |
| 03:44.48 | AnduinLothar | if the app's collecting it, it would jsut be stored in the prefs |
| 03:46.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | No no, the uploader app can't collect. |
| 03:46.22 | AnduinLothar | y not |
| 03:46.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | That's illegal in some states unless you display a warning about privacy beforehand. |
| 03:47.14 | Legorol | i think doing usage stats for Cosmos based on download count is particularly difficult, because of the patcher |
| 03:47.15 | AnduinLothar | it's already collecting data from the thottbot lua file. just have an option that says submit addon enabled data.. |
| 03:47.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | But if the information is collected via World of Warcraft itself, then the information technically belongs to Blizzard, and since you already agreed that Blizzard owns everything you can and will do with WoW... |
| 03:47.54 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, Blizzard doesn't own everything you can and will do with WoW |
| 03:48.01 | Legorol | for example, it doesn't own the copyright to AddOns' code |
| 03:48.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | I was being general ;) |
| 03:48.17 | AnduinLothar | it's just extracting from the two addon files on ur hd |
| 03:48.36 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, i do agree with GenNMX|Thrae that we'd have to be very open about uploading any kind of data |
| 03:48.42 | Legorol | otherwise it would be a serious backlash |
| 03:49.07 | Legorol | with thottbot people know what they are uploading, and making a concious choice |
| 03:49.20 | Legorol | legalities aside.. |
| 03:49.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Legorol: Blizzard may not own the copyright, but you can't necessarily make money off of it. |
| 03:49.34 | AnduinLothar | you guys enjoy arguing about nothing, don't you |
| 03:49.35 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, actually you can |
| 03:49.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | It's a legal gray area |
| 03:49.46 | Legorol | you can sell your addons if anyone is willing to buy them |
| 03:49.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, not without Blizzard's implicit consent |
| 03:49.52 | Cairenn | as long as you say "this is what we want to track, do you agree" and give them the option of not, then there's np |
| 03:49.56 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, not true |
| 03:50.08 | Legorol | and that's because you can write an addon without even owning a copy of WoW |
| 03:50.26 | Legorol | i agree with Cairenn, it's not complicated at all |
| 03:50.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Legorol: Using WoW's API |
| 03:50.32 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, that's not the point |
| 03:50.36 | Legorol | i am talking about addon source code |
| 03:50.45 | Legorol | the source code is your intellectual property, and you can sell it |
| 03:50.51 | Legorol | what API it uses doesn't matter |
| 03:50.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | Legorol: Sony successfully sued someone a while back for making a harmless modification to their toy robot dogs, and posting how to do it on the Internet. |
| 03:51.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | With some more Google digging, I could cite more precedents. But these digital cases are not so cut-and-dry. |
| 03:51.32 | Legorol | i am not sure the dog case is relevant here |
| 03:51.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | The modification was Software only |
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| 03:52.06 | Legorol | i'd be interested in the case details, what were the actual charges |
| 03:52.27 | Legorol | i'm pretty sure it wasn't for simply posting the instructions, they must've sued them based on something else in practice |
| 03:52.34 | Legorol | but i wouldn't know, unless you link the case |
| 03:53.01 | Legorol | for example, with the bnetd vs. blizzard case, the actual case consisted of charges based on stuff the bnetd people agreed to in the EULA |
| 03:53.14 | Legorol | if those guys never owned a copy of a blizz game and wrote bnetd like that, the case would've been lot weaker |
| 03:53.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | What about if someone watched someone else use B.Net? |
| 03:54.03 | Legorol | what do you mean by "watch"? |
| 03:54.06 | Legorol | sit behind them in a chair? |
| 03:54.27 | Legorol | the person watching is not bound by the EULA, unlike the person playing |
| 03:54.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right. |
| 03:54.50 | Legorol | actually, not even a player is neccessarily bound by the EULA |
| 03:54.58 | Legorol | it's the owner/installer who is bound by the EULA |
| 03:55.08 | Legorol | technically put, it's the "licensee" |
| 03:55.20 | Legorol | who is usually the person who buys the box and installs the game |
| 03:55.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Exactly. "Not necessarily". |
| 03:55.31 | Iriel | The account owner is bound by the EULA |
| 03:55.37 | Legorol | in the case of WoW, yes |
| 03:55.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'm not saying it is 100% legal or illegal, I am saying the case *could* be made. |
| 03:55.39 | Iriel | and accepts responsibility for anything done using their account |
| 03:55.47 | AnduinLothar | you do. you do like agruing about nothing.. |
| 03:56.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Debate is good for the soul. |
| 03:56.20 | AnduinLothar | it pains me deeply |
| 03:56.27 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, only a very weak case can be made against a person who has never bought WoW, didn't establish an account and wrote an addon like that |
| 03:56.37 | Legorol | that's why i am curious about what the actual point of the case about that dog thingy was |
| 03:56.44 | AnduinLothar | so much wasted effort with so little production |
| 03:56.47 | Legorol | what was the actual charge? |
| 03:56.49 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, i agree |
| 03:56.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | However, the WoW API was documented by people who DID buy the game |
| 03:56.54 | Legorol | but i'm not in a productive mood |
| 03:57.18 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, how is that relevant to writing addons? |
| 03:57.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | I don't think Blizzard "officially" let out the documentation for the API, nor can you can access to the files legally |
| 03:57.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | How can you write a WoW addon without using any part of the WoW API? |
| 03:57.37 | Legorol | 1) there is no official API documentation, blizz admitted to it |
| 03:57.42 | Legorol | the wiki is better than anything blizz has |
| 03:57.52 | Iriel | Well, blizz has the source 8-) |
| 03:57.57 | Iriel | That's arguably better |
| 03:57.58 | Legorol | exactly |
| 03:58.05 | Legorol | but not a comprehensive document like the wiki |
| 03:58.11 | Legorol | which is more practical ;-) |
| 03:58.21 | Legorol | we wrote their product documentation for them :D |
| 03:58.33 | Legorol | i wonder if blizz devs use the wiki.. prolly not |
| 03:58.42 | Legorol | i think though that since beta they probably have something by now |
| 03:58.44 | AnduinLothar | actually i heard they did |
| 03:58.48 | Legorol | coool! |
| 03:59.09 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, back to the point of writing code |
| 03:59.12 | AnduinLothar | but that's only to save them from looking at the source i would imagine |
| 03:59.18 | Legorol | you are not "using" anything by writing the source code for an AddOn |
| 03:59.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Legorol: I was wrong, Sony did not successful sue. They successfully settled. |
| 03:59.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V13/1/koerner-b.html |
| 03:59.43 | Legorol | thanks for link |
| 04:00.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Sony claims the DMCA protects them from all digital modifications they don't want to their products. |
| 04:01.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | AnduinLothar: Yeah, we all know Flickering is really slouken, since he knows so much ;) |
| 04:01.39 | Cairenn | ummm |
| 04:01.42 | Cairenn | Flickering is Iriel |
| 04:01.53 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 04:01.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel is slouken?!?! |
| 04:01.59 | Cairenn | rofl, no |
| 04:02.00 | Iriel | heh |
| 04:02.02 | Iriel | not quite |
| 04:02.15 | AnduinLothar | he talks to himself a lot |
| 04:02.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | It makes sense -- Iriel always gets "secret communications" from slouken |
| 04:02.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel is slouken's "front" |
| 04:03.56 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, the link you gave is too vague :( do you have links to more detail? |
| 04:04.06 | Legorol | plus the article misquotes the DMCA. |
| 04:04.22 | End-afk | I think Iriel probably has the best indepth knowledge outside of blizzard about addon development :P |
| 04:05.07 | Legorol | i'd say including blizzard |
| 04:05.12 | Legorol | blizzard doesn't develop addons |
| 04:05.32 | Legorol | they care little about for example addon compatibility issues and therefore defensive coding practices |
| 04:05.36 | Legorol | safe hooking, etc. |
| 04:06.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | It was about 4-5 years ago, I'm having trouble getting a reliable link |
| 04:06.11 | cladhaire | ... |
| 04:06.14 | Legorol | they only have a single code to work on, whereas Iriel's knowledge extends to the realm of many dedicated people coming up with random stuff that breaks each other :-) |
| 04:06.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO_Copyright_and_Performances_and_Phonograms_Treaties_Implementation_Act <-- wikis are reliable, right? |
| 04:06.22 | cladhaire | Why on earth would you use safe hooking as an example there? |
| 04:06.22 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, don't worry about it then |
| 04:06.35 | Legorol | because blizzard never hooks |
| 04:06.37 | Legorol | addon authors do |
| 04:06.39 | cladhaire | and? |
| 04:06.47 | cladhaire | i'm trying to grasp your point |
| 04:06.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | That's untrue Legorol. We all now cladhaire is really slouken. |
| 04:06.56 | Legorol | The statement was that Iriel has the best knowledge about addon development |
| 04:07.01 | Legorol | apart from blizz |
| 04:07.11 | Legorol | i extended it to say that it includes blizzard as well |
| 04:07.12 | cladhaire | ... |
| 04:07.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | slouken, in his mad lust for the perfect addon, has made many "third-party" addons. |
| 04:07.22 | Legorol | he has the best knowledge about addon development, full stop |
| 04:07.36 | cladhaire | WHy do you say shit like this.. just to provoke a response? |
| 04:07.37 | Legorol | lol GenNMX|Thrae |
| 04:07.43 | cladhaire | You're implying that Blizzard doesn't know how to hook functions. |
| 04:07.46 | cladhaire | and doesn't know how to code. |
| 04:07.47 | Legorol | cladhaire, i'm not trying to provoke |
| 04:07.49 | cladhaire | they wrote the entire UI |
| 04:07.50 | Legorol | no no |
| 04:07.51 | cladhaire | which is an AddON. |
| 04:07.54 | Legorol | i didn't imply any of those |
| 04:07.59 | cladhaire | I think you're being ridiculous TBH =) |
| 04:07.59 | Cairenn | whoa guys |
| 04:08.07 | Cairenn | hey, yo, people |
| 04:08.09 | cladhaire | Cair: We're fine =) |
| 04:08.10 | Legorol | sorry, let me try and phrase it more logically |
| 04:08.14 | Legorol | yeah we are fine :-) |
| 04:08.20 | cladhaire | Leg and I just talk .. loud =) |
| 04:08.21 | Legorol | Blizzard has written the UI code |
| 04:08.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | cladhaire: He's implying they don't have to hook, since they ARE the lowest level. They'll just code something up in C if they need new function. |
| 04:08.29 | Legorol | yes |
| 04:08.43 | Legorol | i am trying to say there are certain addon coding techniques where iriel could be more experienced |
| 04:08.49 | Legorol | because blizz themselves never need those techniques |
| 04:08.55 | Legorol | and the example was safe hooking |
| 04:09.03 | cladhaire | Correct.. but those techniques aren't so far outside the realm that the coders wouldn't know how to apply them. |
| 04:09.11 | Legorol | that's true |
| 04:09.13 | AnduinLothar | You guys are STILL arguing about nothing... you just changed topics to a different and equally meaningless nothing... |
| 04:09.15 | Legorol | i didn't mean to say blizz coders are stupid |
| 04:09.25 | Legorol | lol |
| 04:09.27 | cladhaire | Anduin: Its Friday night.. and we're bored.. ssh. |
| 04:09.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | "coders", plural? I was under the impression slouken was the only UI coder... |
| 04:09.38 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, at least this time we are arguing about whether Iriel pwns slouken |
| 04:09.43 | cladhaire | Slouken is not a UI coder |
| 04:09.45 | cladhaire | he works elsewhere. |
| 04:09.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | And he worked 15 hours a day, 6 hours without pay. |
| 04:09.49 | AnduinLothar | slouken's not even a UI coder by title |
| 04:09.54 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: he actually isn't a UI coder |
| 04:10.03 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 04:10.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | So there's no real "UI Programmer"? Did they give it to the "Tools and Scripts Programmer"? |
| 04:10.38 | Legorol | no there is, afaik |
| 04:10.44 | Legorol | there is some evidence at least.. |
| 04:10.46 | cladhaire | Thrae: There is a UI coding team.. |
| 04:10.50 | Cairenn | there are, Slouken just isn't them |
| 04:10.52 | Gryphen | programmers usually dont whore forums |
| 04:10.56 | Legorol | at some poitn someone, i think Tem or Tain, posted about some bug in blizz ui code |
| 04:11.05 | Legorol | and slouken responded by saying he forwarded it to the appropriate people |
| 04:11.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Then why does slouken say stuff like "Yeah, I just fixed that. Thanks." |
| 04:11.09 | cladhaire | Hortus wrote a lot of it.. before he headed elsewhere. |
| 04:11.15 | cladhaire | Thrae: most of those are API issues. |
| 04:11.19 | cladhaire | Engine, etc. |
| 04:11.24 | cladhaire | which don't fall under UI proper |
| 04:11.29 | Legorol | yes slouken fixis stuff that are not UI code |
| 04:11.41 | Legorol | he prolly works in the C code |
| 04:11.42 | cladhaire | Evening all =) |
| 04:11.48 | Legorol | a belated hi ;-) |
| 04:11.50 | cladhaire | I'm tired... and have heartburn.. just took some tums =( |
| 04:11.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ohhhh |
| 04:12.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | No no, I was saying "UI Programmer", not "UI Coder" |
| 04:12.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Programmer, IE, he's not using a scripting language |
| 04:12.38 | End-afk | I think it is C++ generally, not C ;P ...well, the lua engine is C, but I think the majority of WoW proper is C++ |
| 04:12.50 | Legorol | ok C++ then :p |
| 04:13.10 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, the UI is written in XML/Lua, the underlying API in C++... i dont' understand you |
| 04:13.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right, Lua is a scripting language... |
| 04:13.27 | Legorol | is programmer ~= coder? |
| 04:13.34 | Legorol | i'm confused |
| 04:13.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes! You are not a programmer if you know Javascript :D |
| 04:13.44 | Legorol | maybe i misunderstood some words here |
| 04:13.50 | cladhaire | ... |
| 04:13.56 | AnduinLothar | damn. guess i'm jsut a coder |
| 04:14.08 | Legorol | i think anyone is a programmer who uses any turing complete language to express algorithms.. |
| 04:14.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/you know/you just know/ |
| 04:14.20 | Iriel | I dont think the programmer/coder distinction makes much sense without a significant amount of context and agreed terminology |
| 04:14.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 04:14.28 | Gryphen | progammer is the guy who makes what interprets the javascript |
| 04:14.29 | Iriel | and which language isn't really part of it |
| 04:14.36 | Legorol | ?? |
| 04:14.39 | Legorol | ok i am very confused now.. |
| 04:14.44 | AnduinLothar | i do that too. I've written compilers |
| 04:14.47 | Legorol | isn't "coder" jsut a shorter word for programmer? |
| 04:14.52 | Legorol | my english must be rubbish |
| 04:15.00 | Legorol | or i am not up to speed on new-fangled net-speak |
| 04:15.05 | cladhaire | and where do we put the architects? =) |
| 04:15.11 | Legorol | in a building |
| 04:15.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Some of the communities I'm in wouldn't even allow them to be called "coders" |
| 04:15.18 | cladhaire | mm.. how ironic. |
| 04:15.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | One of them would be academia. God I hate my professors. |
| 04:15.46 | Iriel | It's really not what you use, but how you use it. |
| 04:15.54 | Cairenn | coder, programmer, architect, developer ... |
| 04:16.01 | Legorol | i don't see a distinction in using a so-called scripting language or another language |
| 04:16.02 | Iriel | Some decide that 'coder' is someone who just develops to spec and never designs anything |
| 04:16.07 | Legorol | they are both just computer programs |
| 04:16.13 | Iriel | but others use it as a shorthand for anyone whoproduces code |
| 04:16.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Legorol: Except one writes "programs" interpreted by software, the other writes programs interpreted by hardware |
| 04:16.58 | Legorol | so if a coder works to spec, what does a programmer do? |
| 04:17.01 | Legorol | also design stuff? |
| 04:17.27 | Iriel | Usually someone a little more senior, with more freedom/design ability |
| 04:17.39 | Iriel | But again, that's only some places. There may be other definitions/differences |
| 04:17.43 | Legorol | GenNMX|Thrae, i fail to see the distinction... you are now just simply arguing that interpreted vs. compiled languages are different whne it comes to wheter a particular activity is "coding" or not.. |
| 04:17.46 | Legorol | surely it doesn't matter? |
| 04:18.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | Legorol: It's all my proffessors talk about |
| 04:18.26 | Legorol | the definition of wheter something is coding or programming shouldn't be based on the type of language used (interpreted vs. compiled) |
| 04:18.34 | Iriel | interpreted versus compiled is nonsense |
| 04:18.41 | Legorol | besides, those distinctions are blurred anyway.. |
| 04:18.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Let people start with LISP instead of C? Are you insane?!?!" |
| 04:18.53 | Legorol | is BASIC interpreted or compiled? |
| 04:18.59 | Iriel | generally interpreted |
| 04:19.09 | Legorol | exactly |
| 04:19.18 | Legorol | yet Visual basic gets compiled, Qbasic compiles it... etc. |
| 04:19.19 | Iriel | but as turing showed, they're all somewhat equivalent |
| 04:19.23 | Legorol | yep |
| 04:19.48 | Legorol | i don't know what lisp is, but if you ask me, Lua and C are equivalent.. both high-level languages |
| 04:19.55 | Legorol | you could compile Lua for that matter if you really wanted |
| 04:19.57 | Legorol | and interpret C |
| 04:20.28 | Legorol | I will go with Iriel's suggestion on coder/programmer definition ;-) |
| 04:20.35 | Legorol | personally until now i never made a distinction |
| 04:21.02 | cladhaire | <3 lisp |
| 04:21.02 | Legorol | so from now on, i will call everyone a programmer, because i beleive that even if someone has to just "code" to a particular spec, they still have to make human decisions all the time |
| 04:21.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Isn't all programming terminology mainly from academia? |
| 04:21.19 | Iriel | Not really |
| 04:21.27 | Iriel | some is, some is from 'the industry' |
| 04:21.40 | Iriel | There's actually quite a difference between the two at some levels |
| 04:21.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | According to my professors, that doesn't count ;) |
| 04:22.05 | Legorol | i'd say it's a greyscale.... there are degrees of freedom |
| 04:22.12 | Legorol | trying to classify it with two words wont' work |
| 04:22.18 | cladhaire | real life lesson A.) Professors don't know anything-- they got where they did by questioning their professors =) |
| 04:22.26 | cladhaire | s/anything/everything/ |
| 04:22.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | I really should stop talking...I'm missing House |
| 04:23.00 | Legorol | professors don't even neccessarily have teaching qualificiations, at least not in this country |
| 04:23.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | For grad school, they do |
| 04:24.28 | Legorol | this country = UK for me |
| 04:24.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Teaching is a noble profession. I want to get a job at my local community college. |
| 04:24.28 | cladhaire | Thrae: Let me build the curriculum for my three course series.. you can take that and questinon me tons =) |
| 04:24.54 | Legorol | here, "professor" is a teaching position at a university which can be occupied by anyone who they hire, teaching qualification not necessarily a prerequisite |
| 04:25.15 | Legorol | usually the title/position of professor is awarded to senior research staff and teaching duties are then imposed on them |
| 04:25.42 | Legorol | I think the word "professor" is used differently in the US |
| 04:25.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | "How to Google", "How to Protect your Computer", etc. |
| 04:25.56 | Legorol | i'd sign up to a "how to google" course |
| 04:26.00 | Legorol | i'm utterly rubbish at it |
| 04:26.17 | Legorol | i have an impression that somehow these search engines are designed to be used by people with common sense |
| 04:26.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | Legorol: No, that's exactly how it is here in the US. A professor is always a researcher. A instructor is a teacher who is not a researcher. |
| 04:26.31 | AnduinLothar | it's more liek a "How to think like a search algorithm" |
| 04:26.36 | Legorol | but don't you call the teachers at high school "professors"? |
| 04:26.45 | cladhaire | My google-fu is strong. |
| 04:26.51 | AnduinLothar | not in the US leg |
| 04:26.53 | Legorol | i was going to say, i don't seem to have common sense... so i'm bad at googling |
| 04:26.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | When you said "professors don't necessarily have teaching qualifications", I thought you meant they didn't know what they were talking about |
| 04:26.58 | Legorol | my mum regularly beats me at googling |
| 04:27.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Legorol: No, we call them teachers. |
| 04:27.22 | Legorol | ok, since we are at the topic of teaching.. |
| 04:27.31 | Legorol | i'm dying to know this, but what is a "college" in the US? |
| 04:27.36 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 04:27.41 | Legorol | and how is it different from a university |
| 04:28.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | Legorol: A university has research staff and a graduate program. A college does not. |
| 04:28.20 | Legorol | so a college is a strictly educational institution? |
| 04:28.26 | Legorol | but it starts at the same sort of age? |
| 04:28.35 | Legorol | is that 18 or so? |
| 04:28.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | No college has an age restriction. |
| 04:28.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | You just need to pass their exams. |
| 04:28.45 | Legorol | upper or lower? |
| 04:28.48 | AnduinLothar | university is usually a collection of schools too. as in UCI has a school of Engineering and a school of Physical Sciences... etc |
| 04:29.02 | Cairenn | *in general*, a University is more academia and College is more "real world" |
| 04:29.02 | cladhaire | dictionary.com them |
| 04:29.05 | Legorol | the age restriction for a college, is that upper or lower? |
| 04:29.09 | cladhaire | they're actually pretty good definitions |
| 04:29.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | However, there's also the University of Maryland University College here in Maryland. |
| 04:29.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | I don't know what the hell that's about. |
| 04:29.27 | cladhaire | Syracuse University has 12 different colleges |
| 04:29.36 | Legorol | now you are confusing me |
| 04:29.52 | AnduinLothar | in the case of "University College" it's a College with the name "University" |
| 04:30.04 | AnduinLothar | some idiot named it apparently |
| 04:30.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, I *think* it's the name of UMD's College |
| 04:30.14 | AnduinLothar | prolly with a phd |
| 04:30.38 | Legorol | so at what age do you start college? 18? |
| 04:30.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Legorol: Normally, but you can start earlier if you're gifted. |
| 04:30.54 | AnduinLothar | yes, generally when they graduate from High School |
| 04:31.08 | AnduinLothar | which is the 4 previous years |
| 04:31.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | I joined Community College at 16, normal college at 18. |
| 04:31.29 | Legorol | ok, what schools do you go through (say from age 4 onwards), and at what age? |
| 04:31.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | But you don't need to be gifted to join Community College ;) |
| 04:31.35 | AnduinLothar | ya, I took a few courses at the community college too, before i went to university |
| 04:31.36 | Legorol | and what do you call them? |
| 04:32.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | I dropped out of public HS, full of rubbish. Starting college early was the best thing I've done academically. |
| 04:32.05 | AnduinLothar | Preschool, Kindergarden, Elementary, Jr. High, High School |
| 04:32.13 | AnduinLothar | College |
| 04:32.30 | Legorol | what sort of age do you go to elementary, jr. high and high school? |
| 04:33.25 | AnduinLothar | Traditionally Elementary is 1st-6th grade, Jr High is 6th & 7th, High School is 9th-12th |
| 04:33.40 | AnduinLothar | sometimes 6th is a part of jr High |
| 04:33.45 | AnduinLothar | depends on the school |
| 04:34.00 | AnduinLothar | some schools also have jr high and high school on the same campus |
| 04:34.14 | AnduinLothar | or all 3 |
| 04:34.31 | AnduinLothar | Kindergarder is age 5-6 usually |
| 04:34.42 | AnduinLothar | Kindergarden* |
| 04:36.48 | AnduinLothar | so 6-12 is elementary, 12-15 is jr high, 15-18 is HS... give or take a year or two depending on if you skipped grades or started kindergarden early |
| 04:37.27 | Legorol | right |
| 04:38.59 | Legorol | i'm personally confused by the british system, there seem to be as many systems as schools :D |
| 04:39.09 | Legorol | at least hungarian system is simple |
| 04:39.38 | Legorol | it used to be 8 grades in primary school (age 6-14), and 4 grades in high school (14-18) |
| 04:40.01 | Legorol | then it switched to 6 grades in primary (6-12) and 6 grades in high school (12-18) |
| 04:40.40 | AnduinLothar | it's pretty much the same thing here.. JrHigh gets moved around |
| 04:40.51 | Legorol | japanese is simple too |
| 04:41.11 | Legorol | primary school 6, medium school 3, high school 3 |
| 04:41.12 | AnduinLothar | my elementary school went up to 6th grade, but my jr high school went down to 5th |
| 04:41.18 | Legorol | seems like japanese is most like american |
| 04:41.36 | cladhaire | 1-4 was elementary, 5-7 was middle school, 8-9 jr. high, 10-12 high school. |
| 04:42.14 | Legorol | is the starting age for school always (or usually) age 6 then? |
| 04:42.36 | Legorol | at least grade 1 = age 6 in most parts of the world, by the looks of it |
| 04:43.35 | AnduinLothar | my elementary school actually had a kindergarden on campus, but i went to a diff one |
| 04:43.52 | Legorol | mmmm fond memories of kindergarden |
| 04:44.21 | Legorol | about the first memories i have of my life include cracking my forehead in the kindergarden, giving me a scar not unlike harry potter's lightning bolt |
| 04:44.28 | Legorol | although it's not as ugly as that ;-) |
| 04:44.48 | AnduinLothar | apparently i haven't changed at all since kindergarden |
| 04:44.57 | Legorol | taller? heavier? |
| 04:45.05 | Legorol | you learnt to read, use a computer.. |
| 04:45.11 | Legorol | and play computer games! |
| 04:45.19 | Legorol | unless you were already playing in kindergardne |
| 04:45.23 | AnduinLothar | i played comp games in kindergarden actually |
| 04:45.27 | Legorol | nice |
| 04:45.38 | Legorol | i can only boast playing comp games since 1st grade in school |
| 04:45.56 | Legorol | i used to love Load Runner, my favourite at the time |
| 04:46.06 | Legorol | *Lode |
| 04:46.11 | Legorol | bah, i always mistype that one |
| 04:46.29 | cladhaire | =) |
| 04:46.48 | AnduinLothar | i ahve lode runner 2, but never got too into it |
| 04:46.53 | Legorol | for PC? |
| 04:46.58 | AnduinLothar | mac actually |
| 04:47.00 | Cairenn | ummm |
| 04:47.04 | Legorol | ah yeah, keep forgetting.. |
| 04:47.08 | Legorol | yes Cairenn? |
| 04:47.18 | Legorol | times ahve changed... |
| 04:47.22 | Legorol | i now have lode runner on my mobile |
| 04:47.22 | Cairenn | I probably shouldn't mention that we had our daughter playing computer games by age 3, right? |
| 04:47.24 | Legorol | for when i'm bored |
| 04:47.34 | Legorol | congrats, Cairenn |
| 04:47.38 | Legorol | impressive |
| 04:47.41 | AnduinLothar | it's the computer age, that sounds fine to mee |
| 04:47.48 | Legorol | althoguh i presume she was given birth at a different time than us |
| 04:48.04 | Cairenn | by a few years, yeah, she's 18 |
| 04:48.16 | Legorol | lol, that's more than just a few years, at least for me |
| 04:48.24 | AnduinLothar | I was actually playing games before kindergarden, i just cant remember any specifics |
| 04:48.54 | AnduinLothar | i did have a few disks of arcade games tho |
| 04:49.08 | AnduinLothar | back before we had a hard drive |
| 04:49.10 | Legorol | the thought i ponder sometimes: at age 6 we had a Commodore 64... it's RAM was 64 Kb. Nowadays the size limit of a single Java app on a mobile phone is 64 Kb. |
| 04:49.13 | Legorol | that is scary |
| 04:49.35 | Legorol | tapes, man... those were the days |
| 04:49.41 | Legorol | i never got to use punchcards, sadly :( |
| 04:50.01 | AnduinLothar | i remember playing chopper and airborne all the time |
| 04:50.29 | Legorol | actually i have a book i'm reading atm, oddly enough someone before me used a punchcard as a bookmark.. |
| 04:50.35 | Legorol | and left it in there |
| 04:50.51 | AnduinLothar | had to drop someone from a helicopter onto a moving wagon with a bed of hay. both travelling oppositte directions ate varrying speeds and altitudes |
| 04:51.08 | Legorol | sounds something to code in WoW UI as a mini-game :D |
| 04:51.22 | AnduinLothar | that's the oldest game i can remember playing |
| 04:51.39 | Legorol | i remember something similar, where you fly around witha chopper rescuing people from the ground |
| 04:51.45 | Legorol | when the chopper is full, you had to fly back to base |
| 04:51.51 | Legorol | i can't remember what was difficult about it :D |
| 04:51.54 | AnduinLothar | course there was klondike and macpaint too.. |
| 04:52.13 | Legorol | right, g'night folks |
| 04:52.13 | AnduinLothar | but the really great ones were the text based ones |
| 04:52.30 | Cairenn | night Lego |
| 04:52.35 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 04:52.38 | Legorol | ah yeah, i used ot have a book that teaches you elementary programming |
| 04:52.43 | AnduinLothar | Planetfall and Castle Transelvania were the best.. |
| 04:52.49 | Legorol | it ramped up to a text-based adventure game as an example at the end |
| 04:52.54 | Legorol | that was pretty cool |
| 04:53.05 | Legorol | anyway |
| 04:53.09 | AnduinLothar | night |
| 04:53.44 | AnduinLothar | hard to reminise with people not quite your age, eh |
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| 04:58.46 | Tem | Cide is in germany? |
| 04:58.59 | AnduinLothar | afaik |
| 04:59.08 | Tem | news to me |
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| 05:00.58 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 05:01.34 | Tain | I'm not sure which is worse. Having bad Chinese food, or mediocre Chinese food. |
| 05:01.42 | Tain | At least with bad you know what you had. |
| 05:02.57 | tragywydd | well, usually bad chinese food at least has gobs of MSG |
| 05:03.55 | AnduinLothar | i thought that was the good stuff? |
| 05:03.55 | Tain | Unfortunatly now I'm not hungry, but I am unsatisfied so I feel like I want something more. |
| 05:06.25 | Tem | Tain: I suggest powdered donuts |
| 05:09.48 | AnduinLothar | mmm, i want some powdered donutes.. |
| 05:10.18 | Tem | god's gift to nerds |
| 05:10.45 | Tem | powdered donuts and Raman noodles |
| 05:17.39 | AnduinLothar | mmm i do have ramen |
| 05:17.56 | AnduinLothar | but i already had two Chicken Cordon Blues... |
| 05:24.34 | tragywydd | Bleus, perhaps? |
| 05:24.40 | AnduinLothar | ya, that |
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| 05:50.46 | AnduinLothar | lol, the fireworks quest is confusing everyone |
| 05:51.18 | Cairenn | yeah? |
| 05:52.03 | AnduinLothar | vendor fireworks aren't fullfilling the quests so everyone starts spamming general chat asking how |
| 05:53.15 | Cairenn | so how? (haven't done it) |
| 05:56.03 | AnduinLothar | dunno lol. haven't figured it out myself |
| 05:56.16 | Cairenn | ah |
| 05:59.11 | Cairenn | god are my cats ever a couple of little bums ... they're sitting here staring at me as I enjoy the ice cream I bought for myself as a treat since my physical went so well |
| 05:59.38 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 06:00.29 | AnduinLothar | I'm just downing otter pops |
| 06:00.34 | Codayus | Seems like it may be that the SW launchers are bugged...hmm |
| 06:00.47 | AnduinLothar | bugged how so? |
| 06:00.53 | AnduinLothar | They worked for me |
| 06:01.05 | Codayus | Apparently, you can launch fireworks at them, but they don't fulfill the quest. |
| 06:01.09 | AnduinLothar | you just have to be nearby and you throw your fireworks into them |
| 06:01.15 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 06:01.19 | AnduinLothar | none of them do |
| 06:01.24 | Codayus | I heard reports that the IF ones do. <shrug> |
| 06:01.29 | Codayus | I'm going to go test. :-) |
| 06:01.33 | AnduinLothar | darn ones didn't |
| 06:04.11 | Legorol | just got a GM response, SW ones are buggeed |
| 06:04.14 | Legorol | IF and DN work |
| 06:04.37 | Legorol | that is for completing the quest |
| 06:04.48 | Legorol | you can launch with any of them, but in SW it doesn't count it for quest |
| 06:05.06 | AnduinLothar | lol. only two i tried.. |
| 06:36.05 | AnduinLothar | are the elder moonstones one time use? |
| 06:41.11 | AnduinLothar | that'd be a yes |
| 07:03.55 | Codayus | IF ones work. |
| 07:04.20 | Codayus | Just did the quest. :-) |
| 07:06.57 | AnduinLothar | Moonglade ones are broken too |
| 07:13.49 | pagefault | org ones work |
| 07:25.37 | AnduinLothar | up to 23 coins of ancestry |
| 07:34.16 | sarf|WoW | AnduinLothar> the lantern has a 24 hour cooldown |
| 07:34.31 | AnduinLothar | lantarn? |
| 07:34.39 | sarf|stuff | (lantern => Omen quest reward) |
| 07:34.58 | sarf|stuff | it makes an Elune Stone whihc makes that light |
| 07:35.02 | AnduinLothar | odd, cause mine dissapeared when i used it.. |
| 07:35.17 | sarf|stuff | Lantern is not equal to stone |
| 07:35.21 | AnduinLothar | ah, k |
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| 07:45.11 | Codayus | what does the light do, anyhow? |
| 07:46.44 | sarf|stuff | +10% to all stats for 60 min |
| 07:47.03 | AnduinLothar | it does? didn't for me.. |
| 07:48.47 | sarf|stuff | Oh |
| 07:48.49 | sarf|stuff | My bad |
| 07:48.57 | sarf|stuff | the thing is, killing Omen gives you that buff |
| 07:49.08 | AnduinLothar | where is omen? |
| 07:49.08 | sarf|stuff | The ring of light does not do anything, it seems |
| 07:49.11 | sarf|stuff | Moonglade |
| 07:49.20 | AnduinLothar | bah.. i was just there.. |
| 07:49.22 | sarf|stuff | Quest to kill him fron the Lunar Festival dudes |
| 07:49.44 | sarf|stuff | summon him by firing lots of clusters in SE part of moonglade |
| 07:50.06 | sarf|stuff | get ~39 friends (20 might work too) and get ready for a looooooooooooong fight as he has about a 1 milion HPs |
| 07:50.13 | sarf|stuff | (NOT an exaggeration) |
| 07:50.51 | AnduinLothar | oic... odd... a rogue said he soloed him.. |
| 07:51.24 | AnduinLothar | and another guy said 2man.. |
| 07:51.31 | sarf|stuff | Well... |
| 07:51.39 | sarf|stuff | It is actually possible to 2man him |
| 07:51.45 | sarf|stuff | but you need a lot of healing for it |
| 07:51.56 | sarf|stuff | he doesn't hit too hard, but as said, too many HPs |
| 07:52.02 | sarf|stuff | I suspect people are pulling your leg. |
| 07:52.18 | sarf|stuff | Or mebby he was bugged before <shrug> |
| 07:52.48 | Codayus | What I heard was he's about twice as tough as Magmadar, but it's a much easier fight. His only "trick" is he calls down an AoE on people - keep moving out of it and your fine. |
| 07:53.48 | Codayus | And you can apparently stand outside of the range of his AoE entirely, but not sure about that. A couple guildies did it in a ~20ish man raid and told me about it. :-) |
| 07:54.02 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 07:54.45 | sarf|stuff | He's very much easier than Magmadar I'd say, just think of him as an insanely huge HP version of a regular earth elemental or something. |
| 07:55.02 | AnduinLothar | there's a quest u say? |
| 07:55.23 | sarf|stuff | Yes |
| 07:55.32 | sarf|stuff | NE part of Moonglade village |
| 07:55.42 | sarf|stuff | Look for a big wad of people :) |
| 07:56.25 | AnduinLothar | any drops? |
| 07:56.57 | sarf|stuff | No idea. |
| 08:02.50 | sarf|stuff | Question: how does UnitIsVisible(unit) pertain to range? |
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| 08:10.02 | AnduinLothar | lol... ok.... cant solo him lol |
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| 08:15.18 | id` | haaaiiiiii peopleeeee |
| 08:15.21 | id` | im baaaaaaack |
| 08:15.38 | Cairenn | hi indu |
| 08:15.41 | id` | was gone for a week, snowboarding in austria |
| 08:16.18 | Cairenn | hasn't been a week already, has it? *wonders where the heck she's been that she missed an entire week* |
| 08:16.25 | id` | lol :p |
| 08:16.31 | id` | yea it has |
| 08:16.34 | Cairenn | wow |
| 08:16.46 | id` | man i slept in a room with 5 wiggers >_> |
| 08:16.54 | id` | they go to sleep with rap mj00sic |
| 08:16.57 | id` | T_T |
| 08:17.09 | Cairenn | have a good time? |
| 08:17.16 | id` | yes |
| 08:17.16 | id` | :D |
| 08:17.24 | Cairenn | cool :) |
| 08:17.33 | id` | i was the stud on the slopes ;x |
| 08:17.44 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:18.25 | id` | o and i found out that 8 tequila's and 10 beer doesnt even make me sick or trashed in the morning :-] |
| 08:19.01 | id` | *yawn* just rolled out of the bus. 12 hour drive |
| 08:19.11 | id` | gunna check the forums n stuff \p/ |
| 08:19.20 | id` | *\o/* |
| 08:44.53 | AnduinLothar | sleep time i spose |
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| 09:07.04 | Tem | Anyone here kill Jin'do before? |
| 09:16.14 | zeetg | http://digg.com/gaming/Nibbits_-_Game_File_Search_Engine |
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| 09:21.51 | id` | nice |
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| 09:32.53 | zeetg | http://www.nibbits.com/about.html - any sites im missing that I fall into those groups? |
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| 12:28.12 | Elkano | Good (whatever) :) |
| 12:29.20 | sarf|stuff | Greetings, Elk! |
| 12:29.33 | Elkano | :) |
| 12:30.19 | Elkano | I'm just thinking about recoding an old addon I used: resizing trade skill window to more then 8 lines shown... |
| 12:30.28 | sarf|stuff | Hmm... interesting |
| 12:31.06 | sarf|stuff | BTW, do you know of any addon that revamps the Enchanting window so it becomes sorted by either type of enchantment or enchantment place? |
| 12:31.48 | Elkano | should be possible with the functions introduced with 1.8+; the old version modified the files in FrameXML/ ... |
| 12:32.01 | Elkano | hmm.. there is such an addon, but I don't know the name atm :/ |
| 12:32.52 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 12:33.00 | sarf|stuff | I have been a bit lazy :) |
| 12:33.07 | sarf|stuff | EnchantingSeller has what I want (and more) |
| 12:34.02 | sarf|stuff | Elkano> Was it an addon like this one you meant? http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2272 |
| 12:34.56 | Elkano | it was thisone-> http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1034 |
| 12:35.18 | Elkano | well, I'm off for lunch.. l8ers |
| 12:35.33 | sarf|stuff | Found what I wanted : http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2374 |
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| 13:02.26 | Elkano | btw: when using LoadWith, will the addon load befor or after the one list in LoadWith? |
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| 13:28.46 | id` | Q: What's a 'proc'? |
| 13:29.21 | Wobster | When a 'chance to do x' occurs |
| 13:29.30 | id` | k |
| 13:38.51 | id` | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1468 |
| 13:38.52 | id` | ZOMG |
| 13:42.17 | Elkano | OO |
| 13:44.42 | id` | hot women having sex in my mind |
| 13:44.47 | id` | is what i think |
| 13:44.58 | id` | k gunna try it |
| 13:44.59 | id` | :p |
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| 14:18.47 | Legorol | Elkano: after |
| 14:21.03 | Legorol | id`, wow, that's an impressive addon |
| 14:23.06 | Elkano | hmm... resizing TradeSkill to 16 or 24 lines? |
| 14:23.20 | id` | imagine the power, im going to try my first gesture now |
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| 14:25.56 | id` | my god |
| 14:25.57 | id` | its |
| 14:25.59 | id` | wonderful |
| 14:26.01 | id` | :O |
| 14:33.29 | id` | if i omit the rank in CastSpellByName() does it do the best one? |
| 14:35.57 | Elkano | afair it should |
| 14:36.24 | Elkano | is there a way to change an unnamed texture? |
| 14:37.01 | id` | ke ke ke i made a Z shape gesture that does heroic strike |
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| 14:52.51 | Elkano | pet training does use the craft frame, doesn't it? |
| 15:10.17 | Elkano | ok, here we go: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4839/resized3os.jpg |
| 15:13.08 | Elkano | or should I go up to 24? |
| 15:30.05 | Legorol | Elkano: no you can't change unnamed textures :/ |
| 15:30.41 | Elkano | hmm... in this case I'll have to add new ones to fill the gap... |
| 15:31.50 | id` | dunno how it works but isnt the background a texture by itself with just borders and buttons and text on top of it? |
| 15:32.35 | id` | or did blizzard choose to do it differently to save space, because i can imagine this way being a tad fps eating :P |
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| 17:21.36 | Ktron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-pvp&ThreadID=411997 <-- We'll see what happens. |
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| 17:53.50 | Cairenn | everyone must be asleep still or something, it's so quiet in here |
| 17:54.04 | Ktron | heh, probably they are |
| 17:59.17 | cladhaire | Its been quiet all weekend |
| 18:00.18 | Cairenn | so, who here knows about watches (time trackers typically worn on the wrist) |
| 18:01.17 | cladhaire | depends on what you'd lik eto know? |
| 18:02.28 | Cairenn | name suggestions for a really good one, like Rolex or Tag Heuer, but without *quite* such a steep price tag |
| 18:03.19 | Ratbert_CP | Seiko, Timex... |
| 18:04.51 | Cairenn | something solid that'll stand up to abuse, water proof to a couple hundred feet, etc |
| 18:05.39 | Ratbert_CP | Water *proof*? Diving watch? |
| 18:06.00 | Cairenn | I don't mind paying a few hundred dollars, but a few thousand gets stupid |
| 18:06.00 | AnduinLothar | well, nothing's waterproof in feet... it's all in meters ;) |
| 18:06.35 | Cairenn | well, none of them actually say water "proof" any more, most say water "resistant" and yeah, meters :p |
| 18:06.38 | AnduinLothar | and i believe it's water 'resistant' usually |
| 18:06.41 | Ratbert_CP | But a couple hundred feet is *significant* |
| 18:07.07 | AnduinLothar | standard is like 30 meters |
| 18:07.34 | Cairenn | but yeah, like a divers watch |
| 18:07.35 | Ratbert_CP | Deepest I ever went was about 100ft, and that was with Nitrox and light deco... |
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| 18:08.01 | AnduinLothar | husband swims a lot, eh? |
| 18:08.03 | Cairenn | hubby has done commercial diving, he's gone further than that |
| 18:08.26 | Cairenn | but actually, this is for daughter's 18th, not for hubby |
| 18:08.36 | Cairenn | he already has a solid watch |
| 18:08.41 | Cairenn | she needs one |
| 18:08.57 | AnduinLothar | mmm, she go swimming with him much? |
| 18:09.15 | Cairenn | one that'll stand up to the abuse of working on archaeological dig sites, one that'll stand up to her diving, etc |
| 18:09.42 | Cairenn | would love to get her a Tag Heuer, but god the price since they became "trendy" |
| 18:10.21 | Cairenn | that's what hubby actually has, he got his back when divers knew about them, but popular culture didn't |
| 18:10.55 | Cairenn | so anyway, name brand suggestions for me to look for? |
| 18:11.18 | AnduinLothar | Seiko has a lot of nice diving watches |
| 18:12.12 | AnduinLothar | depends on what you want tho. i don't see many distinctly female diving watches |
| 18:13.25 | Cairenn | well, I'm looking for one that's gonna last her for a good long while, through the abuse she's likely to put it through |
| 18:13.59 | Cairenn | and like I said, I'm willing to pay a few hundred, but would prefer not to spend a few thousand |
| 18:14.13 | AnduinLothar | dunno, can't say I've ever really been in the market myself. So I don't wanna give you ignorant advice. |
| 18:15.30 | Cairenn | hubby keeps pointing at the Tag Heuer, but the price tag makes my stomach lurch |
| 18:15.47 | AnduinLothar | heh, to me most of the expensive diving watches look fairly ugly and not very easy to read. |
| 18:16.44 | AnduinLothar | The mesh bands aren't too bad |
| 18:16.48 | Cairenn | well, that's why I said "like" a diving watch, in reference to the water resistance |
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| 18:19.22 | AnduinLothar | this one's nifty: http://shop.navyseals.com/product/WTMT3103 |
| 18:20.05 | Ktron | I've got just the thimng Cairenn |
| 18:20.06 | AnduinLothar | This one goes down to 330 feet: http://shop.navyseals.com/product/WTMT203 |
| 18:20.11 | Ktron | let me fire up del.icio.us |
| 18:20.55 | Ktron | http://www.led-watch.com/xray.htm |
| 18:21.05 | Ktron | I so badly want one of those:) |
| 18:21.15 | Ktron | s/those/these |
| 18:21.17 | Ktron | s/those/these/ |
| 18:21.21 | Ktron | lol |
| 18:21.21 | Ktron | oh well |
| 18:22.20 | Cairenn | http://www.tagheuer.com/the-collection/women-collection/aquaracer/steel/index.lbl?w=WAF1410.BA0812 |
| 18:22.26 | [MoonWolf] | how many times can you put retro genuine and authentic in a piece of text... |
| 18:23.04 | Ktron | Cairenn, on a realistic note, anyone mention the brand ESQ yet? |
| 18:23.13 | Cairenn | nope |
| 18:24.26 | Cairenn | esq? |
| 18:24.42 | Ktron | http://www.esqswiss.com/ swiss watch company, fairly modern |
| 18:24.50 | Ktron | about 200 to 400 usually I think |
| 18:25.10 | Ktron | slightly more about style than durability I think, but if you're paying that much I don't their shoddy ;) |
| 18:25.15 | Cairenn | taking a look, thanks |
| 18:25.53 | Ktron | um... Macy's I think sells some of the lower end models, other than that I'm not sure who else keeps them on shelves |
| 18:26.20 | Cairenn | no Macy's in Canada :p |
| 18:26.51 | Ktron | I didn't realize you were hiding up there :) well, it looks like they're sold from most jewelers and filene's too |
| 18:30.24 | Ktron | heh, I forgot how much fun my products tag in delicious is |
| 18:32.01 | Cairenn | okay, thanks for the suggestions |
| 18:32.14 | Cairenn | I should go do some window shopping now |
| 18:33.33 | Ktron | Cairenn, you should buy yourself one of these --> http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ |
| 18:34.14 | Ktron | just think-- with the proper setup, you could have WoW icons on the buttons ;) |
| 18:34.14 | Cairenn | yeah, I've already seen those |
| 18:34.28 | Cairenn | not interested, it isn't ergonomic |
| 18:34.35 | Ktron | heh, I guess that makes sense |
| 18:35.07 | Ktron | afk for a bit |
| 18:35.51 | AnduinLothar | wow, that looks expensive.. is there a bluetooth version? |
| 18:36.31 | [MoonWolf] | make that is there A version at ALL |
| 18:37.35 | AnduinLothar | ya. it doesn't really exist yet |
| 18:38.47 | Legorol | hm, is there something wrong with US boards? don't seem to be able to log in |
| 18:39.14 | Cairenn | looks like login servers are down |
| 18:39.15 | Legorol | or rather i can, but i am then Anonymous and unable to post |
| 18:40.22 | Cairenn | nm, I'm logged in now, just took a few |
| 18:59.44 | Legorol | post on US UI forum titled "Lootlink causes disconnects?", i won't even bother reading it |
| 19:00.03 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:00.59 | Legorol | speaking of which, some link-aware person could answer this for me: |
| 19:01.11 | Legorol | i understand that if i try to send a link in chat that the server hasn't seen yet, i get booted |
| 19:01.23 | Legorol | what happens if i try to set a tooltip to a link of my choice instead? |
| 19:01.32 | Legorol | please base your answer on these two scenarios: |
| 19:01.36 | Legorol | a) the item is in local cache |
| 19:01.40 | Legorol | b) the item is not in local cache |
| 19:02.37 | Legorol | if i understand correclty, if the item is in local cache, it will succeed in making the tooltip |
| 19:02.45 | Legorol | even though the link might be unsafe for sending via chat |
| 19:03.01 | Legorol | also, in case of b), the client will attempt to obtain info from the server |
| 19:03.12 | Legorol | will this cause a disconnect if the item hasn't been seen by the server yet? |
| 19:04.00 | Legorol | final Q: does someone have a link to the thread that discusses GetItemInfo? |
| 19:06.37 | Cairenn | but it made for an interesting monologue |
| 19:11.02 | Legorol | sleep? at 7pm? |
| 19:12.19 | Cairenn | well, it's 2pm here, which means it's only 11am on the west coast of N.A., and it is the weekend |
| 19:13.01 | Cairenn | gotta love time zones ;) |
| 19:16.01 | id` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4535 |
| 19:16.06 | id` | this guy posted his addons :O |
| 19:16.12 | id` | all very nice and functional |
| 19:16.57 | id` | o and gatherershare got an update on ui.worldofwar >_> (i was so waiting for that) |
| 19:17.09 | Cairenn | it's updated at WoWI, too |
| 19:17.11 | id` | k |
| 19:17.20 | Cairenn | just finished approving it |
| 19:18.45 | id` | \o/ :) |
| 19:19.00 | id` | i so like that addon, but it seems that not alot of people use it on the european servers |
| 19:19.09 | id` | i spam it once in a while to get more people to use it |
| 19:47.18 | AnduinLothar | gah... have to corpserun to get to the thunderbluff guy.. |
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| 19:52.47 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:58.31 | AnduinLothar | getting the one in orgrimmar on a pvp server was fun |
| 19:59.06 | AnduinLothar | all is all I think I'm down 7g on repair bills |
| 20:02.48 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:03.21 | AnduinLothar | no room in my bank to stash them so I think i went through 2.5 sets of full equipment |
| 20:05.30 | Elkano | Hmm... is there a way to get new textures in the layers of existing frames from within other xml files? |
| 20:05.42 | Elkano | I want to fix this: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4839/resized3os.jpg |
| 20:07.21 | AnduinLothar | take that back.. 10g |
| 20:09.09 | AnduinLothar | hmmm with blessign of wisdom + manaregen equipment i have 60mana/5sec |
| 20:09.53 | AnduinLothar | so I could flash heal every 15 or so seconds indefinitely |
| 20:10.53 | AnduinLothar | each flash doing about 700hp |
| 20:11.58 | Cairenn | does anyone know if there is a list anywhere of the "active" used .blps in WoW? Some images will have 3/4 of it used (example top left, top right, bottom left) and 1/4 not (bottom right), instead it uses the bottom right from some other image, etc |
| 20:27.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Mmm, billboarding is fun, eh? |
| 20:30.25 | Ktron|afk | did everyone get a chance to look through the WoW etiquette thing on somethingawful? http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3532 |
| 20:30.37 | Ktron|afk | some of its not in good taste, but a bunch of it is |
| 20:33.21 | Osagasu | *lmao* |
| 20:33.41 | Osagasu | In the sport section of the NYT there's an article about the next raid dungeon |
| 20:35.19 | Ktron | ? |
| 20:35.23 | Ktron | like, after AQ? |
| 20:35.35 | Osagasu | yea |
| 20:35.42 | Osagasu | Its the Necropolis in the plaguelands |
| 20:35.46 | Ktron | I didn't know that |
| 20:36.02 | Osagasu | http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/28/sports/othersports/28vide.html?ex=1296104400&en=42c55c3188d54208&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss |
| 20:36.09 | Osagasu | its a interview with Tigole |
| 20:36.58 | Osagasu | mainly about raids in general |
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| 22:20.11 | Tem | rawr? |
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| 22:36.57 | Ktron | grawr |
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| 23:04.21 | Astryl | Kwak! |
| 23:04.37 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 23:05.42 | Astryl | Hi Cair... |
| 23:05.49 | Astryl | You have at least basic lua skills, right? |
| 23:06.01 | Cairenn | nope :p |
| 23:06.39 | Astryl | Anyone alive that does? |
| 23:09.00 | Astryl | :( |
| 23:10.57 | Wobster | only us ducks? |
| 23:14.24 | Astryl | Dang... |
| 23:19.23 | Wobster | What's up? |
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