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00:00.38AnduinLotharmoo
00:00.56Cairenn*purr*
00:03.01AnduinLotharmeh. procrastinating ftw
00:03.40MentalPowerindeed
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00:11.34sarf|stuffSeeking courageous MC betatesters for my additions to CT_RA Bossmods: http://www.fukt.bth.se/~k/wow/stuff/CT_RABossModsSarf_10900_v0.01.zip
00:12.00sarf|stuffAdds message for Inferno on Baron Geddon, and optional notification / targeting of Lava Spawns from Firelords
00:12.11sarf|stuffPlease test it out and PM me if it does not work
00:13.03Temanyone here play on a pvp server?
00:13.10AnduinLothari do
00:13.13sarf|stuffNote that it is a new addon that requires CT_RA BossMods, so if it doesn't work, disable it or delete it and it will be gone.
00:13.16TemI'm interested to know just how much of a madhouse moonclade is
00:13.24Temmoonglade*
00:13.38AnduinLotharpretty crazy, but it could be worse
00:14.00AnduinLotharit'll be more crazy in a couple hours
00:14.31Fanooki'm glad i'm on a pve servere
00:16.21sarf|stuffMe too.
00:17.16sarf|stuffThe deals that must be followed on PvP servers frighten me... and yet even on PvE servers such deals are necessary ("Hi Kazzak! Wanna see my 5 L1 friends that die when you look at them and give you back health? Bwhahhahhahaaaa!")
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00:30.52Fanookheh, one of the elders is in the Sunken Temple
00:32.14Temthere's elders in a lot of instances
00:34.22sarf|stuffBRD, Ring of Law for instance
00:34.27sarf|stuff(rather easy to get to)
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00:44.02AreniusIs it alright to ask XML usage questions here? I'm just starting making addons and took a big leap to actually making a config ui for one today. I'm however kind of stuck and wondering about how the whole hierarchy works. I'm trying to figure out if i can make a "layer" with a name that contains all my buttons that i can click another button to show / hide. Haven't been lucky finding any beginners examples out there.
00:50.56Fanookyeah, there really aren't any. Your best bet would probably be to find a mod with a simple config gui and take a look at its code
00:52.44AreniusThat seems to be the trouble, most of them are far more complex than i would like to attempt to understand at the moment :) i'd rather take steps instead of strides hehe
00:52.49Areniusi'll keep at it though, thanks
00:53.04Fanookbut yes, you can create a frame that contains buttons that show/hide different things
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01:30.55AreniusFanook, you wouldn't know of any basic ones that take advantage of the tabbing system from UIPanelTemplates.lua would you?
01:34.56Fanookhmmm
01:36.17FanookGatherer, perhaps
01:36.55Fanooklooking over the addons i have installed, i really dont have any with simple gui configs :P
01:43.02Fanookand all of mine are slash/cosmos config
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02:03.49Fanookahoy!
02:04.03Beladonamatey
02:15.15cladhaireEvening all
02:15.40Cairennhey Clad
02:15.43cladhairedoes anyone happen to have Illustrator CS2, or some other software I could have you convert a raster 2  vector for me?
02:15.44cladhaire=)
02:15.57Fanooki do
02:16.03Fanooker, wait
02:16.11Fanooki have photoshop, not illus
02:17.05cladhairethanks for looking =)
02:17.09cladhaireHeyas Cair =)
02:17.18cladhairejust stopping in for a few minutes before I head out to the movies.
02:17.45Cairenndoes anyone know if there is a list anywhere of the "active" used .blps in WoW?  Some images will have 3/4 of it used (example top left, top right, bottom left) and 1/4 not (bottom right), instead it uses the bottom right from some other image, etc
02:17.59cladhaireNSFW: http://bash.org/?608068
02:18.16Fanookdon't think so cair
02:18.20cladhaireCair: I saw your questino but I'm not sure.. I'd really like to go through all the active UI files and render the graphics but I'm not sure where to begin =
02:19.08Cairennman, what sort of fucked up kid would pull a shitty stunt like that?
02:20.27cladhairelol
02:20.30Cairennhrm, photoshop, bridge, utilities
02:20.38Cairennno illustrator though =/
02:20.41cladhaireAaw
02:20.44cladhaire<3 thanks for looking
02:21.02Fanookis there an open source alternative to illustrator? i know of GIMP for photoshop
02:22.22cladhaireI'm sure there is.. but vector tracing doesn't chll in most of those tools, that I've known of =(
02:23.40Cairennbleh, nope, no illustrator
02:23.51AreniusSorry for bugging on this but now that the channel is a bit more lively maybe someone knows, I've tried the wowwiki guide to the tabbing system built into WoW to no avail, I dont 100% understand it. Anybody out there have or know of a guide for using the tabs?
02:24.19cladhaireArenius: Not a guide in particula.. but I'm looking to use it for my next addon.. so if i figure it out.. I'll put it up on the wiki =)
02:27.04Areniusthat would be wonderful, i'm just now learning lua and trying to make a config panel for my addon with 4 different panels that i can hide / show
02:27.22cladhaireYeah i can't promise when it will happen, but i plan to dg through the UI optinos and figure it out.
02:27.25cladhaireits a very clean options solution
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02:28.19Areniusdo you know of any other way to do a similar thing? i already have 4 buttons on my ui and i thought about making another frame but everytime i try it says it can't parse the xml file
02:28.24Arenius:) still learning the hierarchy
02:28.56cladhaireI'm actually headed out for most of the evening =(
02:29.12cladhaireI'm sorry.. I may be able to find someting later tho
02:30.11Cairennhave fun
02:33.34Fanookooh! found a gpl'd vector program
02:33.45Fanookhttp://www.sodipodi.com/
02:45.43Areniusi'll just do my config panel in a very weird way, 4 seperate frames with commands that make sure all the others hide whena  new one is being shown and save all their data as they hide .. hope it works hehe
02:48.20Ktronsodipodi is okay, I like inkscape better
02:48.36Ktroninkscape is probably gpl
02:48.51Fanookheh, where were you like 20 mins ago :P
02:49.43Ktronwhy? because you already covered talking about inkscape?
02:50.19Fanookno, clad needed a prog to deal with vector graphics
02:50.24Cairennbecause clad was looking for a raster > vector converter
02:50.50Ktronah.... I was eating dinner heh, and I'm not sure if inkscape does that or not
02:51.03Fanooki didnt know illustrator could do that
03:39.13FanookO_o
03:39.46pagefaultbug
03:39.47pagefaulthehe
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03:54.16Shouryuurawr
03:57.46ShouryuuI guess my rawrs aren't good enough for you people
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04:05.44Fanookmoof
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04:48.00AreniusHey guys, anyone know of a way to convert a frame name to a string? ie somevar = this:GetName(); convert the data that somevar is now to a string?
04:54.42MentalPowerI thought :GetName() returned a string...
04:54.58Areniusnot according to what i'm seeing when trying to process it as a string
04:55.15Areniusit says attempt to index `frame` as string failed or something along the lines
04:55.33MentalPowerhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_LayoutFrame_GetName
04:56.15Areniusi know it says it does but i'm trying to compare it with a string and it's failing saying it's not a string.. dunno why oh well i'll keep trying
04:58.01MentalPowerperhaps theres something wrong with your code...
04:58.10MentalPowerpaste it to wow.pastebin.com
05:06.23MentalPowerbrb (restarting Firefox)
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05:44.04AngusMcLoingreetings!
05:44.12Cairennhi
05:45.10AngusMcLoinquick question to help me finish up a mod: is there a way to hook GameTooltip:SetPlayerBuff?
05:46.28Cairennunfortunately, most of the folks that can help are kinda not really here atm
05:46.34AngusMcLoind'oh!
05:46.55Cairennfolks are just idling in the channel, but seems most are busy having real lives, or some other silly type thing ;)
05:47.10Depheriosbusy hating how buggy WoW is for me tonight XD
05:47.13Cairennand they call themselves geeks, sheesh
05:47.20AngusMcLoinbah, this is the time of night to be writing code
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05:50.04Cairennhey guys, has anyone heard from futr lately? haven't seen him in a few weeks now, getting kinda concerned about him
05:50.38Fanook|AFKhavent been around for 2-3 days, but can't recall seeing him the last few times i've been around
05:51.14CairennI was just wondering if anyone has seen him in, the rare times that I'm not, and I just keep missing him or something
05:51.50Cairennhrm
06:07.29Cairennso what's going on with you Depherios, that WoW is being buggy for you tonight?
06:08.04Cairennyou trying to give Tem a run for his money or something?
06:08.55Temhuh?
06:08.56Temwhat?
06:09.00Cairennlol
06:09.03Cairennhi Tem!
06:09.08Temhi cair
06:27.40TemI just scared the crap out of my guild
06:27.55Tem/script local t,u,f,n={"Powerful Healing Ward","Brain Wash Totem","Jin'do the Hexxer"},"target" f=function(i)i=i or 1;n=t[i]TargetByName(n)if(UnitName(u)==n)then if(UnitHealth(u)>0)then return else f(i)end else f(i+1)end end f()
06:28.16TemI told them to copy that into a macro
06:28.41Cairennand this scared them, why?
06:28.48Temit's kinda long
06:29.36Temand because they didn't think I was serious when I said I'd write a macro that did what I was suggesting
06:29.51AngusMcLoinhey tem, would you happen to know if theres some way to hook GameTooltip:SetPlayerBuff?
06:30.04Temyeah
06:30.17Temlocal spb = GameTooltip.SetPlayerBuff
06:30.36AngusMcLoind'oh!  its . and not : then, eh?
06:30.47TemGameTooltip.SetPlayerBuff = function (self, ...) spb(self,...) ... end
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06:31.37Cairenn*purr*
06:31.40AngusMcLoinahh, thank you much...I was doing it with the : instead of a .
06:31.45AstrylKwak.
06:32.09AstrylWhat's the lua command to parse a string into an int?
06:32.42Temjust use it as an int
06:32.44TemOR
06:32.51Temstring.tonumber("1") == 1
06:33.08Tembut j = "1" + "1"
06:33.10Temj == 2
06:33.25AstrylWell if ("1" > 0) then end doesn't work.
06:33.32AstrylSo I'll use string.tonumber
06:35.26Temyeah that will give you attempt to compare string with number
06:36.46Temwait tonumber isn't right
06:36.48Temgimme a sec
06:36.55AstrylHmmm... tonumber doesn't... Yeah. :)
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06:38.06Temoh it's not string.tonumber
06:38.08Cairennyo Wob
06:38.09Temit's just tonumber
06:39.10AstrylThanks
06:40.22AngusMcLoinhmm, I'm getting an error on the line where I call the original setplayerbuff, saying "Usage: SetPlayerBuff(buffIndex)" but I am supplying the buffindex
06:43.08AstrylWorked great, thanks Tem.
06:43.13Temnp
06:43.26Temyou have to pass the table
06:43.44Temlocal spb = GameTooltip.SetPlayerBuff
06:44.17TemGameTooltip.SetPlayerBuff = function(self,index) spb(self,index) .... end
06:45.28AngusMcLoinahh, ok...I think I understand now
06:46.02TemThe colon notation is just shorthand for passing the table as the first parameter
06:46.24TemGameTooltip:SetPlayerBuff(1) is the same as GameTooltip.SetPlayerBuff(GameTooltip,1)
06:48.00AngusMcLoinhmm, so that's something with the way objects work in lua, I take it?
06:48.16Temright
06:48.41Temfor more info (and a better explanation) check Programming in Lua
06:48.46Temwww.lua.org/pil
06:48.47AngusMcLoingotcha...guess I need to read up more on lua then
06:49.02TemPiL is a quick read and very informative
06:49.56AstrylHey Tem... I have more questions, got a sec?
06:50.02Temsure
06:50.15TemI'm just sitting here putting off working on addons anyway
06:50.29AstrylI can cast a spell by name, easy, that's CastSpellByName(name)...
06:50.32AngusMcLoinI'll have to tag that for a read while I'm at work sometime
06:51.04AstrylBut if I need the cooldown and in-range checks, it has to be an actionid/button. Is that correct?
06:51.35AstrylOr is there some way to tell if a spell is usable, without it being on an action bar?
06:51.54Fanook|AFKhow did my mIRC sounds get turned on?
06:52.12AstrylI looked at them funny.
06:52.15AstrylThat'll turn anything on.
06:52.22Fanook|AFKah, that would explain things
06:53.05TemAstryl: yeah they have to be on action bar somewhere to get the other info
06:54.17AstrylOK, assuming it's on an action bar somewhere... Is there an easy way to get the id of it by name?
06:54.32Temmaybe?
06:54.38TemI've never worked with that myself
06:54.52Temthough I assume it shouldn't be /that/ hard to find it on an action bar
06:55.07Temat worst you might have to do a little tooltip scanning
06:56.28AstrylHmm... k.
06:58.49TemI know that another approach some people used was to place a spell on an empty action button to do their checks, then removed it after they were done
06:59.08TemI don't know how effective this was or even if it's worth pursuing
07:00.33AstrylYeah...
07:27.55AstrylHey Tem?
07:28.01Temaye?
07:28.20Temyou might be a nerd if...
07:28.57AstrylIs there anyone who frequents this or the cosmos channel that has experience with checking the usability of spells?
07:29.33AstrylOr any addon that does it that you know of offhand that I could look at?
07:34.09Astryl...
07:45.13Temoh sorry, I tabbed out waiting for you to ask me
07:45.43Temwait.. you still haven't asked me anything
07:48.27Astryl...
07:48.29AstrylSure I have
07:48.36AstrylIs there anyone who frequents this or the cosmos channel that has experience with checking the usability of spells?
07:48.46AstrylOr any addon that does it that you know of offhand that I could look at?
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07:55.05AstrylTem!
07:55.17Temthe crap do you want man?
07:55.26Temd'oh!
07:55.27Astryl...I want you to answer my question! :(
07:55.35Temthat question was directed at me
07:55.40Cairennlol
07:55.46AstrylYes, it was, both times. :)
07:55.57Temsorry, I thought it was a general channel question
07:56.05Temno idea
07:56.12Temask around when more people are active
07:56.13AstrylHeh. A little tired, are you? :)
07:56.30Temsorry I'm trying to have about 4 conversations at once
07:56.41AstrylWhen more people are active... Pfft, it's only... whoa, shit, it's almost midnight.
07:56.49Astrylgf is waiting in bed!
07:56.51Astrylgtg
07:56.59CairennLOL
07:58.33AnduinLotharheh
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08:11.38pagefaultis there any way to change video settings via lua/
08:11.39pagefault?
08:12.13pagefaultI want to change my video settings based on what I am doing in lua
08:12.16pagefaultautomation of it
08:15.11Depheriosyeah
08:15.37Depheriosdunno exactly how anymore, but it's SetCVar() I remember that much
08:15.46Depheriosoh! I have a macro for world glow
08:15.52Depherios*digs it up*
08:16.05DepheriosSetCVar("ffxGlow",1)
08:19.33AnduinLotharya. all the default game options are set using SetCVars
08:20.59Cairennnice, I'm getting ready to crash, and you guys all wake up finally :p
08:21.43pagefaultah nice
08:21.44pagefaultthanks
08:21.54pagefaultI plan to change my settings when I go into BG
08:21.57pagefaultand when I am grinding
08:22.16AnduinLotharya, bg and raids tend to eat fps
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08:34.06sarf|stuffUhm, if someone sent me something with regards to CT_RA BossMods Sarf, please resend it. Bluescreen here :(
08:34.48pagefaultwow
08:34.52pagefaultbad lag on durotan tonight
08:43.22Cairennnight all
08:47.52sarf|stuffNight Cair!
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09:53.15Shouryuumornin'
09:55.08Shouryuupagefault you playin' on Durotan?
09:56.42pagefaultyeah
09:57.06pagefaulthorde side
09:57.26Shouryuusince when?
09:57.33ShouryuuMy first char was on durotan
09:57.34pagefaultsince forever
09:57.40Shouryuuthat was like, christmas last year
09:57.52Shouryuulol
09:58.00Shouryuumy brother plays Alliance
09:58.35pagefaulthehe
09:58.48pagefaultthere are a lot of alliance pvp guilds on here
09:59.11Shouryuuyeah
09:59.22ShouryuuI don't play there anymore though
09:59.24Depheriosgads... Blizz' new concept of "bug fix" must be "take a few bugs out, put even more in"
09:59.26Shouryuuditched my char
09:59.35Shouryuugave my items away
09:59.39Shouryuuand rerolled my priest :p
09:59.49DepheriosPriests FTW
10:00.13Shouryuuexactly
10:00.25Shouryuunow it's druid FTW
10:03.53pagefaultthey need to buff priests in pvp though
10:03.56pagefaultthey are too easy for me to kill
10:04.20Shouryuuyeah
10:04.24pagefaultthey need a higher bubble spell
10:04.30Shouryuuwe have good survivabilty in a good group
10:04.39Shouryuubut we never have a good grp
10:04.49[MoonWolf]For the interested, a new version of Mendeleev is up, motto for this version is Pimp My Item Tooltip.
10:04.54pagefaultit just says they have to go shadow form to defend themselves
10:05.01pagefaulterr sucks
10:05.03ShouryuuIf you play your priest properly, with pots and all, you can do OK
10:05.12Shouryuu<=== Holy =(
10:05.20pagefaultyeah I got smited the other day
10:05.23pagefaultI just felt sorry for the priest
10:05.46CodayusChanging the priest shield to me a % of hp would be nice though.
10:05.47ShouryuuHaha
10:06.02Shouryuumeh
10:06.06pagefaultthere is this druid that spams moonfire
10:06.06CodayusOr let it be affected by +healing.
10:06.13pagefaultit's funny because he always runs out of mana and half kills everyone
10:06.16Shouryuu+healing would sound smarter
10:06.23ShouryuuI just heal
10:06.27Shouryuupick a tank and heal
10:06.40Shouryuuworks wonders in AV
10:06.50Shouryuuinstead of runnig arond and smiting people...
10:09.41Shouryuubut when you do that
10:09.44Shouryuuyou help everyone
10:09.51Shouryuubut get the boot on killing blows
10:10.01sarf|stuffYou get *into* AV?
10:10.03sarf|stuff<envy>
10:10.07Shouryuulol
10:10.17Shouryuuyou on a low pop server?
10:10.26sarf|stuffNegative.
10:10.28Shouryuuwell I get into AV on AV weekends rather
10:10.29Shouryuulol
10:10.35Shouryuunot enough space then
10:10.35sarf|stuffSilvermoon (EU)
10:10.42sarf|stuffOne of the highest pop servers methinks
10:10.52sarf|stuffbut 4:1 Alliance/Horde and Horde don't want AV
10:10.57Shouryuuhaha
10:11.00sarf|stuff(too little Honor there)
10:11.03Shouryuuthey AB?
10:11.08sarf|stuffYeah
10:11.10Shouryuuyeah but you got good rep in AV
10:11.28sarf|stuffHonor > Rep 'cause it's all about the PvP Gear, boy!
10:11.29sarf|stuffOr whatnot
10:11.31Shouryuuyou can get some decent enough items in 2 3 games
10:11.37sarf|stuffYes.
10:11.50Shouryuuyeah but if you don't intend to getting to rank 13
10:11.52Shouryuurep is fine
10:11.54sarf|stuffBut they are going for 100% Field Marshals in all Horde PvP guild before they dare enter AV
10:12.01sarf|stuff(Alliance *always* win AV)
10:12.02Shouryuulol
10:12.05Shouryuuyeah
10:12.07Shouryuusame here
10:12.21CodayusMy server is about 4:1 alliance:horde.  And horde never wants to go to AV.
10:12.31sarf|stuffIt's quite simple: We can keep AV supplied with more L60s than they can, and at about 2-3 AM they just tend to give up.
10:12.52sarf|stuffAlso, the L60s that stay in AV tend to be epic-gear raiding people
10:12.52Shouryuuwe usualy beat the alliance until the last bunker, or before last, then they just push us bac and beat us =(
10:12.54CodayusThey tend to kick alliance ass for the first few hours...but we've got enough to keep the AV queue full for days, and they don't.  So...
10:13.02sarf|stuffYah
10:13.07ShouryuuMy guild tried something fun in AB
10:13.09Shouryuuall mages
10:13.21sarf|stuffWhich makes me feel bad if they open up Outlands as Free for all PvP
10:13.21CodayusEventually we win, usually in a totally uneven game against the last few horde who haven't passed out and gone AFK...
10:13.25Shouryuucad - yeah basicly the same here
10:13.43Shouryuuhaha
10:13.49CodayusIt kinda sucks.
10:13.56Shouryuuyeah, once they start pushing us back, everyone leaves
10:14.20CodayusIt's funny, horde on our server tend to be much more pvp focused than alliance - but there's so few of them, they can pick and choose what they want to do - their's always alliance noobs to farm.
10:14.28sarf|stuff"Horde, meet Alliance. Alliance, meet Horde. Horde has one 40 man raid, alliance has 6 (lousy coordination but who cares? Horde! Rawr!)."
10:14.32Shouryuu=P
10:14.33sarf|stuffYaeh
10:14.51sarf|stuffThe problem for Horde is also that it's a PvE server
10:15.07sarf|stuffso anytime Alliance sees a PvP flagged Horde it's "FREE HONOR KILL! DESTROY!"
10:15.18Shouryuulol
10:15.18sarf|stuff(and vice versa, actually)
10:15.22ShouryuuI don't open PvP anymore
10:15.26Shouryuuwell
10:15.39Shouryuusince my priest is holy spec, and I can't heal him to deaht
10:15.43ShouryuuI just pass by
10:15.55sarf|stuffYeah
10:16.11sarf|stuffI felt kinda bad yesterday, was going to XR for the Elder
10:16.15Shouryuuand make his kill as hard as possible if he tries to kill me
10:16.22sarf|stuffon the way, me and my buddy meets a PvP enabled L6 Shaman
10:16.38sarf|stuffmy buddy is a hair-trigger Mage...
10:17.35CodayusI jumped into a lvl 20-29 WSG yesterday.  Queue time was about 3 seconds - 6 confused alliance noobs vs a coordinated horde team.   7 shamans, 1 war, 1 rogue.  Weee.
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10:17.59sarf|stuffYah
10:18.00Depherioslol
10:18.09CodayusI asked - and yep, the same 9 horde had been farming the BG all afternoon.  Apparently they'd won every time.
10:18.10sarf|stuffHowever, WSG is almost dead on my server as well
10:18.15Depheriosthat sounds like my server, but we actually have a 1.2:1 horde/ally ratio
10:18.15ElkanoGood (whatever) :)
10:18.20sarf|stuffHorde can't handle coordinated Alliance either :/
10:18.25CodayusIncidentally...it's kind of cool seeing an entire pack of ghost wolves vanishing into the distance.
10:18.27sarf|stuff(I guess they're not used to it ^^ )
10:18.36Codayus...with the flag.  :-(
10:18.48Depherioslol
10:19.26CodayusAfter 2-3 games they actually stopped, and started farming us for honor.  We put up a decent fight, so it was back to flag capping.  I really want the cool WSG rep rewards but...soo not happening.  :-/
10:19.30ElkanoI managed to become friendly with my WSG faction yesterday, so there isn't that much need for me atm to go on farming reputation
10:20.36CodayusI've spent a couple days in the 20-29 WSG.  Haven't captured a flag yet.  I suppose I'll try lvling up to the next band and see if alliance is fairing any better.
10:20.37sarf|stuffDon't worry, I got it from a source (i.e. my imagination) that they will add two more Rep stages after Exalted, "Farm-Master" and "You Ain't Gonna Get This Far"
10:21.12ElkanoCodayus, what class are you playing?
10:21.32sarf|stuffRewards will include a pet Ragnaros and the worlds tiniest violin.
10:21.41CodayusWarrior.  And yeah, I know, there's nothing too uber in WSG for me, but hey - I want them.  :-P
10:22.09sarf|stuff(as well as 300 armorsmithing recipes, one tailor recipe, one leatherworking recipe, and a useless engineering recipe, as well as an alchemy recipe to turn Arcanite into Copper)
10:22.13CodayusNow, that Rune of Perfection...mmm, nifty.
10:22.36ElkanoWould be cool if you could force a duell with the faction leader after getting the faction maxed in order to take over a whole faction ;)
10:22.58sarf|stuffWould be even cooler if the current faction leader dropped phat lewt
10:23.03sarf|stuffso people could come and farm you :)
10:23.17Shouryuulol
10:23.17ElkanoWell, maybe if you spec 100% on Deff... then they wont at least kill you that fast ;)
10:24.02ElkanoReminds me a bit of Klingons ;) Who cares about the wars we are fighting... I want to be the leader!
10:24.03sarf|stuffFood and shower.
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12:36.18id`im gunna do my first instance
12:36.25id`Ragefire Chasm
12:36.31id`don't laugh :<
12:37.21WobIt's a blast!
12:48.27id`(T_T)
12:48.38id`Meh, i dont care anymore :>
12:49.20id`Being new to game is actually fun, and doesn't say a thing about skill.
12:50.06id`100 honorable kills, how's that for my first game of WSG \o/
12:50.23[MoonWolf]not bad
12:50.26[MoonWolf]must have lasted pretty long
12:50.39id`yea
12:51.11id`I'm a lv 13 hunter, i killed lots of rogues kekeke
12:51.50id`concussive shot, pet on them, run shoot and concussive shot again  and if they are too near wing clip
12:59.13Elkanohmpf... does anybody know how to add additonal textures to a frames boarder layer without modifying it's xml files?
13:07.10Elkanogna... wring offset... o wonder it wasn't working ^^'
13:12.25ShouryuuOK
13:12.31Shouryuufable is rather a bad game
13:19.46WobI found it somewhat entertaining
13:19.54Wobif easy
13:20.21Wob(Assassincharge+multistrike)*infinitum
13:21.35Shouryuuyeah
13:21.45Shouryuuagainst bosses just add a berserker before that
13:21.46Shouryuuand voila
13:22.14Shouryuuit just felt like I was doing the same thing over and over and over again...
13:22.18Shouryuulike being 60 in WoW :p
13:22.22WobWhich you essentially were =P
13:22.37Shouryuuwhich is too bad =(
13:22.44WobI did abuse the money bug though
13:22.49WobWhich made things easier
13:22.55Shouryuumoney bug?
13:23.13ShouryuuWell I guess I didn't :P
13:23.21Wobif you buy the jewels at the merchants in bulk and sell in bulk, you could make a profit of about 40g or so each jelewl
13:23.36Wobsame with potions and stuff
13:23.41Wobbut jewels were the easiest
13:23.50WobAnd it racked up stupid amounts of skill points
13:23.51Shouryuuyou sold them to the same merchant?
13:23.56Wobyeah, over and over
13:24.00Shouryuulol
13:24.04Wobbuy the lot, sell the lot =P
13:24.18WobThen go train in stealth or something =)
13:24.31Shouryuuthe game is a bit ... devoid of content
13:24.48WobOr with the really slow moving zombies, you could stand back and get insane multipliers with the bow if you had a fast enough one
13:24.56Shouryuulol
13:25.01Wobespecially with the bosses that spawned unlimited zombies
13:25.06Shouryuuhaha
13:25.17Shouryuuwhat's the highest you got?
13:25.37WobI really can't remember =P few hundered =P
13:25.41Wobmebbe
13:25.46Shouryuulol
13:25.49Wobbefore I got bored =P
13:25.53Shouryuulol
13:26.33WobMaybe if it were multiplayer, it would have been more interesting
13:26.46WobIt certainly would have gone well as a mmorpg
13:27.01Wobalthough I'm not sure how they'd deal with 'age'
13:27.15Shouryuuyeah
13:27.23Shouryuuthe single player aspect of the game was boring
13:27.42Shouryuuthe fights between players would have been fun
13:27.51Shouryuuteh fighting interface is real nice, just wasted on rather poor AI
13:28.20Wobyeah
13:28.33WobThe only real challenge I had was the fistfight quests
13:28.47WobCouldn't kill off the chieftain at the end
13:29.04Wob(I probably could have given enough tries, but it got to be too much effort =P)
13:29.09Shouryuulol
13:29.19Shouryuuthere were a few nice fights
13:29.44Shouryuubut then it was just *click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click* (finger cramp)
13:31.15Wobhehe too true =)
13:31.29Wobleftclickrightclickleftclickrightclickleftclickrightclickleftclickrightclickleftclickrightclickleftclickrightclick
13:32.39Shouryuulol
13:33.42WobIt was a good distraction for WoW downtime =P
13:33.58Shouryuuyeah I guess
13:35.28Shouryuuugh finished it in 10 hours
13:35.34Shouryuumust have missed lots of dumb shi
13:35.36Shouryuut
13:38.29WobYou could have had a wife or husband in every town =P
13:38.29WobAnd a house in every town
13:38.29Woband shops, apparantly
13:38.30WobAt one point, I spent about half an hour slaughtering all the guards in one town =P
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13:53.46pagefaultthis quest sucks
13:53.48pagefaultI hate hate hate it
13:54.10Wobepic felsteed?
13:54.14pagefaultyeah
13:54.28pagefaultI have everything I need
13:54.31pagefaultabout to head into DM
13:54.48WobI should get my 'lock up to 60 =P
13:54.49CodayusOoh, have fun.
13:55.03WobAfter I fix MrPlow =\
13:55.10CodayusThe boss has some good drops too.  :-)
13:56.03pagefaultI forget who is in dm west
13:56.13Wobhehe PT =)
13:56.31pagefaultI like DM tribute
13:56.34pagefaultthat is a fun one to do
13:58.13Shouryuuthe felsteed fight is hard
13:58.21Shouryuubut probably one of the best fights I
13:58.22Shouryuuve
13:58.26Shouryuuever had
13:58.31pagefaultthe 40 quest was fun
13:58.32pagefaultgo talk to a guy
13:58.34pagefaultget mount
13:58.37Shouryuulol
13:58.48CodayusI've done the felsteed quest twice now.  It's a cool fight...
13:58.52Shouryuuyeah
13:58.57Shouryuudid once and failed
13:59.00Shouryuubut still was fun
13:59.18CodayusI don't think it's really any harder than hmm, say the Prince fight.  <shrug>  A lot depends on the group though, like any 5-man content.
13:59.35ShouryuuPrince fight...
14:00.01CodayusPrince Tortheldrin, the last boss of DM West.  (Although he's actually hanging out in the library.)
14:00.59Shouryuumeh haven't done that I guess
14:01.57CodayusA "standard" DM west run clears all the pylons, which drops the shield and lets you attack Immol'thar (giant dog, many eyes).  Kill Immol'thar and the Prince gets annoyed, and becomes attackable.
14:02.15Shouryuukilled Immol
14:02.22Shouryuubut never did the Prince
14:03.03CodayusAh, well, once you kill Immol, just wander into the library.  He's got some good drops, and is the target of a couple quests.
14:03.35pagefaulthaha wow
14:03.41pagefaultUI is using more than 48mb please restart
14:03.45pagefaultnever seen that before
14:05.25CodayusIt only takes another 5 minutes to do, once Immol is dead - the library is right there.  Notable drops are for rogues and warriors.  He does drop an okay +healing ring, and a some other junk.
14:08.16pagefaultwe have 2 shamen
14:08.19pagefaultand a priest
14:08.22pagefaultwith 2 warlocks
14:08.24pagefaultwe should be ok
14:08.30Codayus...no tank?
14:08.36Wobshaman =)
14:08.47CodayusHmm, well, if you killed immol, you shouldn't have any worries.
14:10.08pagefaultshaman can do pretty much everything
14:10.09pagefaulthehe
14:10.36CodayusAlliance gets pallies, who can...hrm.  Heal.
14:10.48CodayusAnd also...nope, just heal.  :-P
14:11.12pagefaultah
14:11.14pagefaultour warrior is back
14:11.22pagefaulthe just switched to shaman to pick the lock with his blacksmithing
14:11.39Elkanogna... it's driving me insane... anybody knows a way how to put textures from a child frame under the textures of it's parent?
14:11.45CodayusCool.
14:11.48CodayusElkano: Sorry.
14:12.37Elkanowhy sorry? have you done anything?
14:12.41Shouryuuw000t my addon hi the 200 mark dl on curse!
14:12.47Codayus2 warlock = easymode DM west.  :-)
14:12.49Shouryuua whooping 570 total donwloads!
14:13.12pagefaultwe are doing a 2 for 1 deal on the mount
14:13.15pagefaultsame reagents
14:14.02Shouryuu2 warlocks is actualy good for the summoining quest
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14:14.19CodayusCan enslave two doomguards.
14:14.32Shouryuuyup
14:14.41pagefaultthose are fun
14:14.45pagefaultuntil they break their enslave
14:14.46pagefaultand come after me
14:14.54Shouryuulol
14:14.58CodayusAnd they also make the pylons and the trash outside of immol's prison easier.  Honestly, I've probably wiped more to the trash patrols near the prison than to anything else...combined...
14:15.15Shouryuuyeah the circling patrols are a pain
14:15.20Shouryuutook us for evr to get pas those
14:15.34pagefaultI wonder what the pally mount quest is like
14:15.38Shouryuuyeah
14:15.43WobIt's... painful
14:15.53Wobinvolves Stratholme a lot I think
14:15.54Shouryuulol
14:15.55CodayusThey'll wipe a group if you aggro them fairly easily - but if you banish the main mob in each pack, it's easy.
14:16.00Wobholy water from there anwya
14:16.19ShouryuuMy favorite instance is Scholo
14:16.27CodayusIf we've got a lock along, the best strategy is just to pull the patrols from the doorway.  You'll aggro them anyhow.  :-/
14:16.36Shouryuuit's where I hit 60 as well :P
14:17.15CodayusI think my favorite instance would be...hmmm.  ZG for being fun and scripted, although the rewards are lacking for the effort...
14:17.43ShouryuuYeah ZG is fun
14:17.44CodayusScholo was...hmm.  A little hard before the nerf, and a bit too boring afterwards.  :-/
14:17.49Shouryuulol
14:18.21CodayusI guess I'm just picky.  :-P
14:19.13pagefaultI have to get my doomguard quest
14:19.17pagefaulthave to get the book
14:19.33CodayusI'd like an instance that was like scholo used to be, capped at 5-man, and with rewards/difficulty aimed just a bit after UBRS.
14:19.59CodayusSort of an undead version of DM.  :-P
14:21.52pagefaultwell
14:21.54pagefaulttime to get a mount
14:21.54pagefaultbbl
14:22.08Shouryuulol good luck
14:22.49Codayusyeah, good luck
14:27.00pagefaultyeah
14:27.05pagefaultwe learned about those pats
14:27.08pagefaultheh
14:43.39Shouryuuwow
14:43.45ShouryuuI'm dl at 220kb/s
14:49.24pagefaulthaha
14:49.29pagefaultshadowburn is bugged
14:49.31pagefaultbut it's good
14:49.38pagefaultbecause sometimes it will return 2 shards
14:50.02[MoonWolf]lol
14:50.27pagefaultthat spell is so overpowered
14:50.30pagefaultI am surprised they haven't nerfed it
14:50.33pagefaultthey actually buffed it in 1.9
14:50.59[MoonWolf]they made it so that the shard is more easely returned....
14:51.03[MoonWolf]not exactly real buff
14:51.05[MoonWolf]pvp wise.
14:51.06pagefaultyeah I love it
14:51.14pagefaultit just makes my shards last way longer
14:51.42pagefaultwhen you use it with DC though it's like instant 1500 damage
14:51.56pagefaultthey should put DC on a small cooldown after shadowburn
14:52.28[MoonWolf]hell no
14:52.41pagefaulthey I am not complaining
14:52.50pagefaultI use it so often in pvp
14:52.51pagefaulthehe
14:52.58[MoonWolf]that is my favourite rogue scaring tactic.. shadowbolt, followed by instant DC
14:53.03pagefaultI use it on pallys
14:53.05pagefaultyou heal?
14:53.05[MoonWolf]shadowbolt followed by instant shadowburn
14:53.06pagefaultI think not
14:53.07pagefaultbye
14:53.08pagefaulthehe
14:53.09[MoonWolf]that hurt a lot.
14:53.19[MoonWolf]and scares the fuck out of them too.
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14:53.44pagefaultyeah
14:53.49pagefaultespecially when your SB just crit
14:53.50pagefaultnice bonus
14:54.03[MoonWolf]its like, god damn that warlock hurts *runs* dies by shadowbolt.
14:54.24pagefaultwith CoS you can smack them up with 35% bonus with shadowburn
14:54.27pagefaultafter a crit SB
14:54.42[MoonWolf]ofcourse a smart one would realise i used 90% of my arsenal at that point.
14:55.03pagefaultI feel for the priests though
14:55.05pagefaultthey are too squishy
14:55.21Shouryuu:P
14:55.26Shouryuuwe lack instant heals
14:55.33Shouryuufor Pvp
14:55.41pagefaultI destroyed a priest this morning in BG
14:55.45ShouryuuI have holy nova, but it isn't enough
14:56.01pagefaultkept them in seduce the entire time while I SB+SB+DC+shadowburn
14:56.49Shouryuulol
14:58.10pagefaultthe change to DC was when pvp got fun to play
14:58.34[MoonWolf]I care not, i will dc when i need to , not when he is almost dead.
14:58.49pagefaultI use it as a get the hell off me spell
14:58.54ShouryuuDC?
14:58.59[MoonWolf]DeathCoil
14:59.00ShouryuuDemon curse?
14:59.02Shouryuudamn
14:59.03Shouryuuso close
14:59.12[MoonWolf]we have no demon curse
14:59.12Shouryuugot the initials right
14:59.22[MoonWolf]its all Curse of x
14:59.25Shouryuunever play a warlock before
14:59.33[MoonWolf]CoD CoA CoE
14:59.48[MoonWolf]CoW CoT
14:59.51[MoonWolf]got them all i think.
15:00.03[MoonWolf]CoR too.
15:00.42[MoonWolf]Warlocks have so much slang its not funny anymore.
15:01.01[MoonWolf]not slang...(forgot word)
15:01.17ShouryuuC of doon
15:01.22ShouryuuC of Agony
15:01.25ShouryuuC of exhaustion
15:01.29ShouryuuC of what?
15:01.40ShouryuuC o time
15:01.43Shouryuumeh
15:01.54[MoonWolf]Tongues
15:02.00[MoonWolf]increases casting time by 50%
15:02.14Shouryuuahhh
15:02.17ShouryuuHate that
15:02.23Shouryuuhate it hate it hate it!
15:02.50[MoonWolf]last one ir recklesness but i only ever use rank 1 for the fear stuff.
15:04.03Wobacronyms? =)
15:04.08[MoonWolf]yes
15:04.11[MoonWolf]that is the word.
15:04.14[MoonWolf]thank you.
15:04.28pagefaultoh man
15:04.33pagefaultI almost had a heartattack
15:04.38pagefaultthe priest left the group
15:04.39WobI like CoR for keeping runners from running =)
15:04.40pagefaultthey got disconnected
15:04.45Shouryuulol
15:05.14WobThen again, I spam Rank 1 Shadow Word: Pain for the blackout effect =P
15:05.28pagefaultcan rogues stealth with sw:pain?
15:05.44WobIt's not specifically listed in the tooltip, so possibly
15:05.54Shouryuuyes
15:05.55Shouryuuthey can
15:05.57Shouryuuuntil the tick
15:06.05Shouryuuand I hate ppl who spam SWP
15:06.08Shouryuureally
15:06.09Wobah, aye, damage would do it
15:06.10Shouryuuhate them
15:06.12Wobhehe
15:06.21Shouryuu=(
15:06.22Wobstunlocking is better? =P
15:06.25Shouryuulol
15:06.38Shouryuuyeah but spamming SWP lvl 1 feels like such an axploit
15:06.42Shouryuu*exploit
15:06.48WobHey, for 25 mana and a 20% for a stun, how can you say no?
15:06.53Shouryuulol
15:06.58WobI use rank 1 earth shock for spell interrupts
15:07.05pagefaultI like corruption
15:07.16WobInstant Corruption is great =)
15:07.27pagefaultstupid pallys usually autocleanse it though
15:08.09pagefaultI usually use CoA on them for that reason
15:08.36[MoonWolf]CoA should count for NightFall
15:08.42pagefaultyeah
15:08.44Wobyeah
15:08.45[MoonWolf]make it shadowdamagadamnit.
15:08.45pagefaultat least siphon life does now
15:08.59WobTotally
15:09.19pagefaultbut you still lose nightfall if you don't face the right way
15:09.23pagefaultthey still haven't fixed it
15:09.30Wobwith the drains?
15:09.41pagefaultif you try to SB and you aren't faced the right way
15:09.42pagefaultyou lose the buff
15:09.48Wob... That sucks =P
15:10.01Wobat least the draining spells pivot you
15:10.06pagefaultyeah
15:10.46WobPS, spamming sw:p also builds up the shadow damage debuff =)
15:10.51Wob(cheaply)
15:10.52Shouryuulol
15:11.21WobThen throw in like a Succ sacrifice, and you're all set with shadow damage bonuses =)
15:11.35Wob(or shadowform)
15:11.38pagefaultsuc sac is almost pointless with soul link
15:11.43pagefault13% on all spells
15:11.46pagefaultvs 15% on just shadow
15:11.49Wobah, true
15:12.05WobI don't have SL quite yet, so I haven't tried it
15:12.13WobI'm a Fel STamina boy =P
15:12.13pagefaultsl is so evil
15:15.41WobI so want to respec into destro =)
15:15.58Wobbut I don't want to do so quite yet
15:16.04Wobmaybe try SL first
15:16.20pagefaultI didn't like SL at first
15:16.30pagefaultbut then when rogues backstabbed me and it didn't do anything
15:16.31pagefaultI liked it
15:18.55Wobwhat pet did you have out?
15:19.04Shouryuulol
15:19.12WobSL sort of suggests to me to use Succ a lot for the extra dps
15:20.02Wobomg, there are only 90 pages on the horde AH on Suramar =P
15:26.10pagefaultblah
15:26.12pagefaultwe lost our priest
15:26.14pagefaultbut we found another shaman
15:26.43pagefaultthis is so easy though with 2 warlocks
15:26.45pagefaultwe have 4 manned a lot of this
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15:33.27elemahy guys
15:33.42Shouryuuharlo
15:34.00elemais there any function out there, which allows me to read the number of people in my BG?
15:34.31Shouryuuhumm
15:34.36Shouryuuyou looked at Wiki>
15:35.42Shouryuuyou could try this
15:35.56Shouryuuhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBattlefieldPosition
15:36.16Shouryuuand count the number of times it does't retunr nil
15:36.26Shouryuuyou'll ust have to find  out waht index is though :P
15:39.01elemahow should I do this ?
15:39.37Shouryuutry the following macro
15:39.48Shouryuuoh
15:39.57Shouryuuand it'll return onl firendly players
15:40.27elemashit
15:40.39Shouryuutry this
15:40.40Shouryuumight work
15:42.27Shouryuuugh
15:42.35Shouryuu*/script name, _, _, _, _, _, _, _, _= GetBattlefieldScore(1); DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(name) end
15:42.46Shouryuutell me what happens
15:43.44Shouryuuwithout the * at the start of course
15:44.31Shouryuulol
15:44.32Shouryuuhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetNumBattlefieldPositions
15:44.45Shouryuuthere's your functin
15:44.48Shouryuu*function
15:45.39Cideactually
15:45.50CideGetNumBattlefieldScores() returns number of players
15:47.18Shouryuuwell I couldn't guess that =P
15:47.24CideI looked up the source :)
15:47.48elemacide, how does it return it? can I use "numberBGmembers = GetNumBattlefieldScores;"?
15:48.36elemadoes this also provide me with the enemy players?
15:49.07Shouryuuit should
15:49.26elemahow ?
15:49.34Cideyes
15:49.36Shouryuuby getting the number of scores
15:49.45Cidelocal numPlayers = GetNumBattleFieldScores();
15:49.46Shouryuu12 scores = 12 players
15:50.11elemacan i get the difference between good and bad players?
15:50.22Shouryuucide - so what's index in all the other battlefield commands?
15:50.24Cidethat's a bit harder
15:50.39Cidebattlefield ID I'm pretty sure
15:50.42elemai wanna have 2 fontstrings, one with the good ones and one with the bad
15:50.53Cideor player id, depends on what command it is
15:51.53Cidewell
15:52.16Shouryuuhow would you get either the battlefield ID or the player ID?
15:52.40Cideplayer id is just any id from 1 to GetNumBattlefieldScores()
15:54.13Cidethis is kind of ugly, you probably want a better solution yourself
15:54.24Shouryuuelema - If you want ally/horde than iterate through http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBattlefieldScore
15:54.37Shouryuu*then
15:54.51Cidelocal goodGuys, badGuys = 0, 0; for i = 1, GetNumbattleFieldScores() do local _, _, _, _, _, faction = GetBattlefieldScore(i); if ( { "Horde", "Alliance" }[faction] == UnitFactionGroup("player") ) then goodGuys = goodGuys + 1; else badGuys = badGuys + 1; end end
15:55.32Cideactually, that doesn't even work. weak
15:55.40Shouryuuhummm wiki puts a ? as faction's return
15:56.03ShouryuuI guess you'll have to get the names and find those who are with you, and the rest are against
15:56.23Cidelocal factions, goodGuys, badGuys = { "Horde, "Alliance" }, 0, 0; for i = 1, GetNumbattleFieldScores() do local _, _, _, _, _, faction = GetBattlefieldScore(i); if ( factions[faction] == UnitFactionGroup("player") ) then goodGuys = goodGuys + 1; else badGuys = badGuys + 1; end end
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15:56.40Cideyou can optimize it more for sure, but that should "work"
15:56.48IrielMoring all
15:56.53IrielMorNing, even
15:56.55Cidemorning Iriel
15:56.56nethello
15:56.57Shouryuumorning
15:57.14elemahello
15:57.26clad|movieMorning all
15:58.11Cideactually, { "Horde", "Alliance" }
15:58.34ShouryuuCide - I goodGuys local to that script? Meaning if I try to call it from another script will it return nil or it's value?
15:58.50Cideyes, it would be local
15:59.04Shouryuuok
15:59.06Cidelike I said, you want to optimize that though
15:59.55Cideperhaps by setting the player's faction to a static variable (0 for horde, 1 for alliance) and check the players' factions against that instead
16:02.30elemawhere must I start a new line ? I think after "= 0,0;" then after "do" then after "..Score(i);" then afte "then" then after "+1;" after badguys +1; and after the ends, is this right?
16:03.33Cideyou can have it all on one line like I wrote it
16:03.40elemaoh ?
16:04.10elemawe break the code only in lines, to read it better or how ?
16:04.14[MoonWolf]lua ignores whitespace completely
16:04.17Cideyes
16:04.27[MoonWolf]you could do:
16:04.29[MoonWolf]x
16:04.30[MoonWolf]=
16:04.31[MoonWolf]y
16:04.32[MoonWolf]+
16:04.33IrielALMOST completely
16:04.33[MoonWolf]z
16:04.38[MoonWolf]i think
16:04.40IrielThere's a single exception
16:04.43[MoonWolf]never actually tried that.
16:04.50Cidedon't think that works [MoonWolf]
16:04.51IrielThat would work.
16:04.54Cideit does?
16:05.14[MoonWolf]what is the exception then ?
16:05.42Irielx
16:05.43Iriel()
16:05.45Iriellua: /tmp/x.lua:2: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near `('
16:06.05[MoonWolf]aha
16:06.20Cideyou can also almost always skip semicolons
16:06.23Cidebut I prefer using them anyway
16:06.26IrielBut otherwise, your example does work 8-)
16:06.37IrielIndeed, that's the one place you may NEED a semicolon too
16:06.39Irielto differentiate
16:07.04Irielx(y) and x;(y)
16:07.04[MoonWolf]I write without semicolons, but it makes no difference
16:07.10IrielALMOST no difference
16:07.17Irielbe careful about those generalizations 8-)
16:07.28[MoonWolf]hehe
16:08.44elemaso i can make new lines anywhere, e.g. after each word ;) funny
16:09.45Shouryuuugh... I hate philosophy
16:09.53ShouryuuIs society natural? Enjoy
16:09.59Shouryuuone week before my holidays
16:10.08Shouryuuthese teachers want the death of me
16:10.09IrielPretty much, the token stream into the parser doesn't usually care what kind of whitespace is between things, or even THAT whitespace is between things (Except for the case noted above)
16:10.12[MoonWolf]Shouryuu, im not going to think on that on a sunday afternoon.
16:10.18Shouryuulol
16:10.22ShouryuuI have too
16:10.26Shouryuulife shucks
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16:10.52[MoonWolf]Wait, if you simply give life sucks as an awnser ... would that be exceptable.
16:11.01Shouryuulol
16:11.12ShouryuuI'm tempted to spew some anarchist bullshit and let it be
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16:17.11Shouryuudoes anyone know if there is a way to get music from an Ipod to your HDD
16:17.16ShouryuuI know apple doesn't want you to
16:17.17AstrylYep, there is.
16:17.21AstrylMac or PC?
16:17.24Shouryuupc
16:18.26AstrylNever done it on a PC, but I'm sure it's possible... Try looking for an app to do it on versiontracker.com
16:18.28pagefaultoh man
16:18.30pagefaultI am so close
16:18.37pagefaultthe boss is the only thing that stands in my way now
16:18.46Shouryuulol
16:19.19AstrylAll you UI people... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=310652&p=1&tmp=1#post310652
16:20.02Shouryuuok someone explain this to me
16:20.05ShouryuuI clicked on that link
16:20.16Shouryuuand 26 tabs, each loading that page appeared
16:20.49AstrylMagic.
16:20.55[MoonWolf]nothing special happend here
16:21.01[MoonWolf]gnomes did it.
16:21.06IrielSame here, just a normal load.
16:21.30AstrylSo, now that at least 3 spiffy people have opened it... got an answer?
16:21.38Shouryuuyeah my browser is fucked
16:21.45Shouryuubut it only bugs when I load a page linked in IRC
16:22.03[MoonWolf]astryl, i can add nothing to what already has been said there.
16:22.19AstrylOK, thanks Moon
16:22.40[MoonWolf]maybe Iriel can magically pull something out of his hat though
16:23.07ElkanoIriel, maybe you can help me with a problem I'm having wrt textures/layers.
16:23.09IrielI just posted but you wont like what I said 8-)
16:23.14IrielElkano : I can try.
16:23.24Elkanowell, have a look: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4839/resized3os.jpg
16:23.55ElkanoI repositioned some of the frame objects in order to allow 8 more lines to fit. This is working.
16:24.15ElkanoNow I wanted to fill the missing background and that's were my trouble starts
16:24.30IrielAstryl: Your biggest problem is that blizzard have (deliberately, as far as I can tell) restricted some of that information to Action bound spells only (Namely IsUsable and Range)
16:24.48IrielWhile you can juggle actions to do that, it's going to be a bit of an eventfest.
16:25.27IrielElkano : Can you stick an extra Texture in the middle, using an appropriate subset of the original background (with SetTexCoord ?)
16:25.34ElkanoAs I didn't find a way to insert more textures into an existing frames layer, I added a new frame witch has the craft frame as parent and asigned the textures to that frame. unfortunatly it will overlay all layers of its parrent :/
16:26.07Elkanowait a sec, I'll make a ss of what it looks like now
16:26.44ShouryuuAstryl, you want to make a function to check if the spell is somewere in your action bad?
16:26.47Shouryuu*bar?
16:27.05AstrylErr
16:27.08AstrylYeah, that'd be cool.
16:28.00Shouryuuwouldn't just runing through your buttons with something like versiontracker.com
16:28.00Shouryuuwhoops
16:28.17Shouryuuor http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetActionText  or http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetActionTexture work?
16:28.31IrielYour best bet, if you think you'll be calling this a lot, is to monitor the action bar events, and maintain a cache of what spells are where.
16:28.44IrielThen at least FINDING one is easy
16:30.01AstrylHmmm
16:30.13IrielA texture/tooltip scanner works, GetActionText isn';t all that useful unfortunately.
16:30.34Irielbeyond being able to identify macros, that is
16:30.34AstrylInteresting thing...
16:31.04AstrylFor spells that replace old ranks when you learn them (ie, most spells for melee characters)
16:31.36AstrylIt replaces the old one on your bars... but seems to do it only by name.
16:31.54AstrylIf you have a macro named 'Maul' on your bar, and get a new rank of Maul, it'll replace that macro with the new one.
16:32.12ElkanoIriel, here we go: http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5337/resized28iv.jpg
16:32.14IrielHeh, cute, but not very useful.. I'd report that as a bug 8-)
16:32.59IrielElkano : Hm, that's.. odd.
16:33.25AstrylOK, so how do I 'scan tooltips'?
16:34.19[MoonWolf]astryl.. you don't want to know
16:34.26ElkanoEven if I put the new textures to the BACKGROUND instead of the BORDER layer, they'll still be infront of the parent's
16:34.27Astryl...
16:34.37[MoonWolf]its ugly
16:35.15IrielElkano : How have you structured the frames here? Did you just expand the original frame and then add more textures?
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16:35.54ShouryuuI never understood why you had to recreate a tooltip if you wanted to parse the tooltip...
16:36.06ShouryuuI neve actually understood anything about tooltips :p
16:36.12Elkanowell, since I don't want to modify the original files I simply created a child frame using <Frame name="TradeSkillFrame_MidTextures" parent="TradeSkillFrame">
16:36.25IrielAstryl : Easiest approach is, create a GameTooltip of your own (hidden), call the appropriate :Set* method on it, then scan all of the lines (Checking :IsShown() on each, in case it's blank but not actually blanked out)
16:36.32pagefaultomg
16:36.35pagefaultthis battle sucks
16:36.40IrielShouryuu : You create your own so you dont screw up the one the player is looking at
16:36.47Shouryuuah
16:37.04IrielElkano : Ah, you may want to re-parent your new texture onto the original frame, if you can in 1.9
16:37.09Shouryuumakes sens indeed
16:37.14Shouryuupage - you failed?
16:37.26pagefaultwe got past the imp spam
16:37.27pagefaultit sucked
16:37.33pagefaultdoing horse now
16:37.35IrielElkano : Sadly, you can't.. Hm.
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16:38.19IrielElkano : Did you read http://www.wowwiki.com/How_UI_Is_Rendered and did it help any?
16:40.13Elkanowell there is nothing about child frames in it :/
16:41.40Elkanoso it looks like I'll have to wait until 1.10 :/
16:41.52IrielTrue, but it mentions frame levels and all that fun stuff, you could do some quick tests with /dump TradeSkillFrame_MidTextures:GetFrameLevel()
16:41.56pagefaultw00t
16:42.01IrielAnd /dump TradeSkillFrame:GetFrameLevel()
16:42.02pagefaultthe mount be mine
16:42.09Shouryuuggraatttzzz
16:43.31Elkanowas dump build in WoW or part of one of your addons?
16:43.43IrielIt's part of DevTools
16:43.46krkaDevTools ftw!
16:44.05Irielbut that's one of those things every self-respecting addon author should have installed, or have written themselves 8-)
16:45.47krkaagreed
16:46.39IrielIt'll be a bit nicer in 1.10 once we get loadstring() too
16:47.07krkacheers for CheckInteractDistance, this solved a huge issue for me: http://wow.pastebin.com/528889
16:47.13krkawe get loadstring in 1.10???
16:47.22IrielYes
16:47.34krkathat means we can get parse-errors from
16:47.55krkathat would be the only difference from RunMacro, I presume
16:48.10IrielYou mean RunScript, and mostly
16:48.17krkaah, right
16:48.20krkamostly?
16:48.20IrielIt also means we get the code chunk back as a function
16:48.34krkawe can do that now
16:49.02IrielWell, you can use it to declare functions now
16:49.26krkahttp://wow.pastebin.com/528890
16:49.26Irielbut that means you have to edit the string
16:49.37Irieland use a global
16:49.50krkausing the global is very temporary though
16:50.04krkaand converting strings to functions should be done very rarely
16:50.18krkaso that's not really an issue, imo
16:50.47IrielWell certainly that's not a reason to ask for loadstring, the reason for that was the exception handling
16:50.53Irielfor bad strings
16:51.34krkaexactly
16:51.49IrielYour code should do 'func = nil' before calling RunScript, by the way
16:51.58IrielOtherwise it fails very badly
16:52.02krkagood point, that could catch errors
16:52.17IrielWrapping RunScript in a pcall may be sane, also
16:52.26Irielsince you NEED to get that global restored
16:52.29krkahave to read up on pcall then
16:52.31Irielregardless of what RunScript does
16:52.44krkahmm... true, the error will abort the entire process
16:52.52IrielCalls function f with the given arguments in protected mode. That means that any error inside f is not propagated; instead, pcall catches the error and returns a status code
16:53.11IrielIt's handy for things like event dispatch code in your own addons
16:53.26Irielwhere you dont want someone else's handler (or badly hooked function) getting in the way of execution
16:54.33krkahttp://wow.pastebin.com/528897
16:54.35krkalike that?
16:54.53Irielyeah, you dont even need the status since you're not using it.
16:55.06krkai know
16:55.18krkajust incase I decide that i need it
16:55.44krkaif my mind works correctly, i should only need to check the value of func though
16:56.04krkathe error message might be useful though
16:56.05Irielhttp://wow.pastebin.com/528901
16:56.14Elkano/hug Iriel
16:56.21IrielFigure it out?
16:56.31Shouryuuawww aint he cuute http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/BluexDreams/PokeMe.gif
16:57.22pagefaultwow
16:57.23pagefaultit's so sexy
16:57.25pagefaulta flaming horse
16:57.42Elkanowell, if I set them to the same frame level it seems to work
16:57.58krkahmmm... now I'm not sure we even need a loadstring
16:58.14Irielkrka: We do, because RunScript throws its error internally
16:58.25Irielkrka: So you can't catch it with pcall
16:58.30krkaah
16:58.30cladhaireAnyone know an easy way in ItemRack to make a naked set?
16:59.46Tainheh heh he said "rack" and "naked"
16:59.50cladhaire=)
17:00.16TainUnfortunatly I have no other helpful information to add.
17:00.20Shouryuulol
17:03.53cladhaireTain: write me a "naked" macro.. NOW!
17:04.09cladhaireI keep farming for these coins.. so i need to keep suicide running =)
17:04.36Shouryuuwhat coins?
17:04.48cladhaireCoins of Ancestry
17:04.59cladhaire50 faction for all horde races, or all alliance racs when you get them
17:05.01cladhairethere are 50 total
17:05.14cladhaire== 2500 faction =)
17:05.44Shouryuuwhere do you find those?
17:05.55cladhaireThey're everywhere.
17:06.02Elkanothere are ghost standing in each village
17:06.04cladhairestart with the one in your town.. and he'll tell you how to find 4 others.
17:06.19Shouryuuoohh it's the lunar new year thing?
17:06.23cladhaireaye
17:06.33Shouryuucan't keep up with the game :P
17:06.43cladhaireits a faction scavenger hunt.. kinda fun
17:09.04Shouryuuhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_PutItemInBackpack does this work?
17:10.16Shouryuuif it does your naked macro is just /script for i=1,19 if ( i~=12 or i~=13) PickUpInventoryItem(i) PutItemInBackPack() end
17:10.25Shouryuubut it seems too simple
17:10.25Shouryuusomething must be wrong
17:10.29cladhairelol
17:10.35IrielWell, you dont check for success on the items
17:10.43Irieland you dont check if the backpack has space
17:11.02Irielso it may be a bit, odd.
17:11.15ShouryuuWell I was hoping the PutItemInBackPack would do that
17:11.20cladhairei can ensure those.. i'm just looking for cheap and dirty.. lol
17:11.31Shouryuuaahhh back pack is only one bag
17:13.02TainWow.  40% of 15 year old girls in Scotland say they drink alcohol at least once a week.
17:13.15Shouryuuthere are three types of lies
17:13.17Shouryuusmall lies
17:13.18Shouryuubig lies
17:13.22Shouryuuand statistics
17:13.27Tainheee
17:13.28Shouryuuthat is the third type
17:13.36pagefaulthaha
17:13.38pagefaultI am in feralas now
17:13.43pagefaultit's faster to fly to gadgetzan then to org
17:13.45pagefaultthan to XR then org
17:13.46Shouryuuenjoying your mount
17:13.47pagefaultmakes no sense
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17:15.15KtronLet's pretend that people were allowed to rank presidents (1st choice, 2nd choice, 3rd choice etc) and there were 3 running. 1/3 of the voters Listed, from 1st to 3rd, President A,B, then C. Another 1/3 of the voters Listed B,C then A, and the last 1/3 listed C,A then B. Who wins the election?
17:15.50KtronAnd that (generalized) is why you only get 1 static vote.
17:17.10IrielI'm not sure I buy the deductive leap from the initial premise to the conclusion.
17:17.46TainI think (trying to guess) that he means there's a chance the vote is entirely split evenly 3 ways?
17:17.57IrielBecause that's no different than if we get 1 vote, and 1/3 vote A, 1/3 vote B, and 1/3 vote C
17:18.05Tainyeah
17:18.11Irieland I dont see him satying: And that (generalized) is why you dont get one static vote.
17:18.32IrielI dont get to vote here anyway so it's academic 8-)
17:19.12cladhaireyay.. /naked works =)
17:19.23KtronActually, the principle is more that none of the canidates have a majority at all-- 2/3s of the population will be against every canidate
17:19.42Wobunless the votes are weighted?
17:19.48Ktronand with 4 canidates, you can get it so 3/4s are against every canidate
17:19.48TainVoting is not who you are 'against' however.
17:19.56IrielEven if they're weighted, his scenario has everyone equally balanced.
17:20.09Iriel*nod* at Tain -- an important point.
17:20.15KtronGranted, you could perfectly balance regular static votes
17:20.20IrielYou wouldn't vote for someone you were against
17:20.23Ktronbut it's less likely
17:20.27WobIsn't there still C, B, then A?
17:20.30IrielYou'd use only 1 of your 3 votes if you were AGAINST the other 2
17:20.42TainAlthough it's an interesting idea.  Change it so that your can choose to use your one vote to vote for someone you like, or against someone you don't.
17:20.55KtronWob, you rotate it to get all the combinations, ABC rotated to BCA to CAB, you mirrored it
17:20.58IrielVoting against is always bad.
17:21.00TainNot one for realistic implementation.  But interesting. :)
17:21.20Irielwell, maybe not 'always', but I'd imagine 'generally'
17:21.33TainIt wouldn't ever work out well, I don't think.  Too apt to corruption and abuse.
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17:21.45KtronYeah, more than one it was considered that people should get 1st/2nd/3rd choices on ballots, but that is more or less why we don't do that
17:21.50EraphineIriel, can I get link the latest dev of statrings?
17:21.53TainBut in the last US Election I would have used my vote to vote against if I had that choice.
17:22.12IrielEraphine; Are you a rogue or druid?
17:22.29KtronThe system I talked about you wouldn't vote against, but a vote against is more or less the same as listing them last
17:22.30Eraphinenope
17:22.42IrielThen http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/
17:22.55IrielKtron : No, NOT listing them is a vote against
17:22.58cladhaireIriel: I am both rogue and druid =)
17:22.59IrielListing them gives them a vote
17:23.13Irielcladhaire : Then you'll have to wait a bit until I post 0.10 which has combo points 8-)
17:23.16KtronIriel, I guess, depending whether you have to order every canidate or not
17:23.18TainYeah and I'm thinking even more directly.  A vote against subtracts someone else's vote. :)
17:23.20cladhaire*cheer*
17:23.27TainMandatory ranking?  No thanks.
17:23.29IrielYou'd NEVER get a system where you HAVE to pick someone.
17:23.30KtronIn my initial set up, I think I was assuming you 'numbered' all the canidates
17:23.30IrielEVER
17:23.46TainIf I don't want someone I'm not going to give them any number.
17:24.08IrielYou can make showing up at the polls manditory
17:24.13IrielBut you can never make picking someone manditory
17:24.25KtronTain, but a vote against is a 'worse' version of a vote 'for' someone-- +1 to one canidate is like a -1 to all the rest, while a -1 is just a -1 to one canidate.
17:24.30TainShowing up shouldn't be mandatory.
17:24.47IrielKtron : your logic is flawed
17:24.57IrielConsider the case where nobody voted for B or C as their 3rd option
17:24.58KtronIriel, no no, I meant everyone who votes, is given a list of names, and just numbers them 1-n where n is the number of canidates on the ballot.
17:25.22KtronRather than filling out 1 checkbox.
17:25.28TainKtron why would people do that however?  If there's only one candidate I want, I wouldn't give weight to any others.
17:25.32IrielKtron : I know what you're suggesting, but I disagree with the premise, and voter tolerance of the idea
17:25.40TainAnd if there's candidates I do'nt like at all I wouldn't give them any rank.
17:25.52IrielBetter still, in your 'tie break' scenario
17:25.53TainThey get 0.  Not 20th.  0.  None.
17:26.03IrielImagine the people who want A as their first choice, do 'A - -'
17:26.04krkait's been proved, afaik, that you can't have fair elections with more than two choices
17:26.08Irieland the others do it the same way
17:26.10KtronWell, saying I'm trying to suggest that giving people 1st and 2nd etc choices is a bad idea, disagreeing or telling me its impossible isn't doign much ;)
17:26.18Iriel(same way as in your example)
17:26.42TainI think you might make a case that you can't have fair elections as long as there are more than two people voting, krka. ;)
17:26.45KtronIriel, I think you'd discount incomplete ballots
17:26.53IrielKtron : You'd better not
17:27.03IrielKtron : because that represents a very opinionated voter group
17:27.13KtronBut as I said, I'm suggesting that this is unworkable, as in not plausible, as in we would never do this ever because...
17:27.13krkano, that's not true tain
17:27.19IrielMY point is that A - - is stronger for A than A B C
17:27.50KtronIriel, if it was allowed.
17:28.13IrielKtron : Myself and Tain's point is that any system where it wasn't allowed would be universally rejected by the voters.
17:28.32krkaIriel, it wouldn't have to mean that
17:28.33KtronEven better, the ballot can have check boxes next to ABC, ACB, BAC, BCA, CAB, and CBA, and they have to pick one of those
17:28.44IrielI think the other "common sense rule" against multiple vote systems is that they'll invariably be too complex for the voters to understand.
17:28.52IrielI think you're missing my point ktron
17:28.57IrielIt's not that people could fill it out "wrong"
17:29.03krkathe problem with rank lists is how to evaluate them to figure out the winner
17:29.12KtronIriel, I understand that people wouldn't like a change in system
17:29.18IrielIs that if I think only candidate A is worthy of office, there's no way in hell i'm going to give a "potential vote" to B or C
17:29.24TainIt isn't about liking a change.
17:29.30TainIt's about having freedom to choose.
17:29.39IrielThis isn't about change, this is about complex systems made of simple parts, and about freedom of choice.
17:30.26krkaactually, my democracy reformation would be to internet-ize politics
17:30.32IrielIt's worth noting that you never described how the primary/secondary/tertiary vote system worked anyway in your example (Since it was a balanced example, you really didn't have to, but in the more general sense that's important)
17:30.35KtronWell, I understand your point, but I don't think it's really that unimaginable... If you watch news, if there's say 3 canidates, even if you want your first choice the most, you probably have some opinion of who would be second best
17:30.36krkaletting everyone vote on every issue (if they want)
17:30.41TainPart of the freedom of choice is NOT making the choice.  People can't be forced into casting votes for people they don't want.
17:31.07Shouryuulol http://forums.wtf.com/
17:31.25IrielI'm in agreement with tain, which goes back to my other point - I'm all for making showing up to cast a ballot mandatory, but you cannot force someone to have an opinion once they get there.
17:31.47TainAnd I don't even think making someone show up should be mandatory. :)
17:31.53IrielAnd I think "X won by majority, but only 10% of the voters cast a ballot" says something
17:31.59KtronTain, we can tell you to vote you must fill out a ballot, and to fill out a ballot you must choose, as I said, which order you rank them in-- it's not that big of a deal, and I don't most people are going to want to intentionally lose the ability to have a second and/or third vote
17:32.12Tainit is a big deal, ktron.  It's a huge deal.
17:32.17IrielTain: I'm not sure what I feel about that really, but there's too much voter apathy, and I think it would help.
17:32.34TainTelling people that you *must* choose is against the very idea of having the freedom to make a choice in the first place.
17:32.50krkarepresentative votings is better then, imp
17:32.52krkaimo
17:33.07krkaus system = teh suxor
17:33.08IrielIf you've got to show up anyway, you may find you're more inclined to figure out who you should vote for.
17:33.19TainIriel: I would like 100% voter participation.  I think it's terrible that we don't.  But I don't think making it mandatory is a good thing.
17:33.21IrielWell, the US system is a relic of an older time
17:33.41Ktronheh, I'd like to note that the original reason I brought up weighted polls was to point out a simple case of statistics that can get more complicated than most people would, on the surface, find, and not suggest something political.
17:33.48krkasweden is older than usa and we have a better system, imo
17:33.50TainMind you I don't have any suggestions for how to improve voter participation either.
17:33.54Irielback when it was a bottom up system, and back when accurate national tallies wouldn't work
17:33.59Irielsweden is MUCH SMALLER than the US
17:34.31krkais that relevant?
17:34.37Shouryuuktron - yeah I though so. I was like "WTF are they talking about..."
17:34.41TainYes, krka.
17:34.47Shouryuuyeah agreed
17:35.07TainBecause the system in the US was put in place originally due to the number of voters and the distance between them all.
17:35.27IrielIt was felt that the populous couldn't "know" the president
17:35.32krkaplease explain how
17:35.35IrielSo they'd pick people they trusted
17:35.41Irieland those people would choose
17:35.52Iriel(I'm simplifying whole books into a few sentences here)
17:35.55TainIt was also impossible to count every individual vote with so many people, and them so far from each other.
17:36.04TainOr, more to the point take months and months.
17:36.08Tain(Not impossible.)
17:36.37krkahmm.. not seeing how the swedish system wouldn't work in usa
17:36.37IrielThat too, but the basis was more to do with what people knew than the mechanics of the count itself
17:37.00IrielThe point wasn't so much why other systems wouldn't work here now,
17:37.11IrielMore about why the US system is the way it is, regardless of its age (more or less0
17:37.13ShouryuuVoter apathy isn't always apathy... It can be some disinterest in a system which seems to offer no choice
17:37.40TainI would consider that a form of apathy. :)
17:37.53IrielWell yes, but if everyone shows up to the polls but doesn't vote, that's a much greater statement
17:37.57ShouryuuIf the two main condenters are right wingers and extrem right wingers, I ain't voting
17:37.58TainBut!  Not voting can also be a concious decision to abstain from the process.
17:38.39IrielIndeed Shouryuu , and that's a perfect example of why forcing you to rank candiates is flawed
17:38.47Shouryuuagreed
17:39.58Elkanois 'modifying' correctly spelled?
17:40.15IrielI believe so
17:40.31Elkanohad been wondering about the yi a bit
17:40.35IrielBy the way, if anyone wants to get really depressed about US politics, read Democracy in America
17:40.48EraphineIriel, looking through the documentation, I can't figure out a way to turn off specific ring groupings, pet, party, for instance.
17:41.14IrielEraphine: Just set their alphas to 0 across the board
17:41.19IrielEraphine: For now that's the only way
17:41.37ShouryuuPolitics are depressing
17:41.40IrielEraphine: I.e. find the group you want, make it use 'custom settings', then 0 the alphas
17:42.24Eraphineoh thank you
17:42.32Ktron,alright, so new example of tricking statistics/probability:: Pretend there are 3 3-sided dice (I know, you can do this with more dice and more-sided dice, but I'm keeping it simple). One has the numbers {9,4,2} on it, another {8,6,1} and the last one has {7,5,3}. You're going to play a game-- you will pick a die, then I (or a computer) will pick a die. we'll both roll, and whomever has the highest value wins. Which die is the best?
17:44.11krkacan the computer pick the same dice?
17:44.15ElkanoOK, here we go, FramesResized uploaded to the three major sides :)
17:44.18IrielThey're all teh same
17:44.21Irielthe same, even
17:44.57krkawell, the average value is the same for all (10/3)
17:45.08IrielAverage value doesn't help
17:45.10krkaoops
17:45.10krkai meant 5
17:45.16Irielmake {9,4,2} into {900,4,2}
17:45.21Irielthe average shifts, but the result doesn't
17:45.40krkahm... good point
17:46.05Irielthe sum of the number of other die rolls that each die beats is the same, which is why they're equal
17:46.13Elkanohas each side of each dice the same propability?
17:46.15Iriele.g. {7,5,3} beats 4,3,2 of the other rolls
17:46.20Shouryuuelk - I guess
17:46.21Irielwhich gives you 9
17:46.29Iriel{9,4,2} is 6,2,1
17:46.37Iriel{8,6,1} is 5,4,0
17:46.39Irielall add up to 9
17:46.42KtronIriel, wait, what?
17:47.01IrielTaking a step back
17:47.12IrielYou pick one die, the opponent picks one of the others
17:47.15KtronAnd, we'll say no the computer can't pick the same dice
17:47.25Shouryuuit's all about how many numbers the numbers of one side can "beat"
17:47.34Iriel(I'd assumed "one of the others", so that's good)
17:47.55Elkanook, let's say x.y means I picked dice x and you picked dice y (x=|=y since you can't pick the same dice, can you?)
17:48.26IrielSince you're picking 1 of 2 dies, you're essentially getting 1 of the remaining values after I pick my die
17:48.32Irielso if I pick {7,5,3}
17:48.42Ktronheh, the next question is are the odds ever fair or in your favor?
17:48.54Iriel7 has a 4/6 chance of beating you, 5 has a 3/6 chance, and 2 has a 2/6 chance
17:49.11Irielsince each of those have a 1/3 chance of ocurring
17:49.22KtronIriel, I think you'll see it more clearly if you compare 1 die to 1 other die at a time
17:49.25Irielthe result is (4+3+2)/6*3 = 9/18
17:49.40Elkano1.2 -> 1/3 * 1 + 1/3 * 1/3 + 1/3 * 1/3 | 1.3 -> 1/3 * 1 + 1/3 * 1/3 + 1/3 * 0
17:49.43IrielSo that die gives you a fair chance of winning. Repeat for each die
17:49.56KtronIt's not fair... here
17:50.06Eraphinei pick 9,4,2
17:50.15IrielI want to hear this 8-)
17:50.22IrielKtron's demonstration it's not fair, that is
17:50.39Elkano2.1 -> 1/3 * 2/3 + 1/3 * 2/3 + 1/3 * 0 | 2.3 -> 1/3 * 1 + 1/3 * 2/3 + 1/3 * 0
17:50.52Ktron{9,4,2} against {8,6,1}: there's 9 combinations, each just as likely, 9 wins 3 cases, 4 wins 1 case, and 2 wins 1 case: that's 5/9 cases, so {9,4,2} is better than {8,6,1}
17:50.52Shouryuu9 beats 6 numbers (8,6,1,7,5,3), 4 beats 1 and 3 (2 numbers) and 2 beats 1. That's a total of 9 numbers.    8beats 7 5 4 4 3 which is 5 numbers, 6 beats 5,3,4,2 which is 4 numbers, and 1 loses. Dice two beats a total of 9 numbers. 7 beats 6,1,4,2 which is 4 numbers, 5 beats 1,4,2 whuich is 3 numbers and 3 beats 2 numbers. Dice three beats a total of 9 numbers
17:50.56Eraphine1/3 of the time that I roll 9,4,2 the other dice have 0% probability of beating me
17:51.40Ktron{8,6,1} against {7,5,3}: 8 wins 3, 6 wins 2, 1 wins 0, that's 5/9 cases so {8,6,1} beats {7,5,3}
17:51.59Elkano3.1 -> 1/3 * 2/3 + 1/3 * 2/3 + 1/3 * 1/3 | 3.2 -> 1/3 * 2/3 + 1/3 * 1/3 + 1/3 * 1/3
17:52.11id`o_O wth are you talking about
17:52.14id`okokok wait
17:52.15Ktron{7,5,3} against {9,4,2}: 7 wins 2, 5 wins 2, and 3 wins 1, that's 5/9 cases so {7,5,3} beats {9,4,2}
17:52.17id`i dont even wanna know
17:52.25Elkanoso you pick max(min(1.2,1.3),min(2.1,2.3),min(3.1,3.2))
17:52.34Ktronie, which ever die you pick, the computer can always pick a die that gives it 5/9 odds
17:52.37IrielAh, if the person picking the 2nd die gets to know which one the first person picked, then I agree
17:52.38Ktronto beat you
17:52.50IrielThat's correct
17:53.12IrielI should have given more weight to the word 'pick' in the question
17:55.50Ktronheh, this is called 'nontransitive probability' and is related the political thing too
17:56.51KtronThere's other examples... if you get the combinations for 3 sets of 4 dice you can it so one dice always wins 12/16 I think, or 3/4 odds for the computer every time-- I believe a common casino machine and casino game trick ;)
17:57.44krka12/16 is way better than 3/4!
17:57.47ElkanoAlso a nice riddle in this case:
17:57.48ElkanoThree coins each show heads with probability 3/5 and tails otherwise. The first counts 10 points for a head and 2 for a tail, the second counts 4 points for both head and tail, and the third counts 3 points for a head and 20 for a tail.
17:57.48ElkanoYou and your opponent each choose a coin; you cannot choose the same coin. Each of you tosses your coin and the person with the larger score wins. Would you prefer to be the first to pick a coin or the second? Why?
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17:58.32TainRiddle me this, Batman.
17:58.40Shouryuulol
17:59.37krkathat's not a riddle, that's a math exercise
17:59.53IrielYou'd always want to pick first
18:00.13IrielThere's no gain in the knowledge of the other person's pick because they haven't tossed yet
18:00.38Irielactually, no
18:00.42Irieli'll take that back
18:00.43TainThere's bad tattoos and then there's this.  http://www.porkdisco.com/g2/v/badtattoos/dorktattoos/htmltatt.jpg.html
18:00.43Irielthere is.
18:01.57KtronElkano, I'm thinking
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18:03.19Elkanowell, it's from an exercise sheet we once had for 'algorithems and data structures'
18:03.57IrielPicking second gives you an advantage, because you can always guarantee better than even odds
18:04.41KtronElkano, 3,20 > 2,10 and 4,4 = 2,10 and 4,4 = 3,20
18:04.48Elkanowell, s far as I remember odds allways turned aot as 50:50
18:04.51KtronElkano, so... I pick first and pick 3,20 every time
18:05.07IrielThen I pick B and win 3/5 of the time
18:05.16Irielbecause you're usually going to end up with 3
18:05.20Irieland so i'll win most of the time
18:05.20ElkanoKtron, you can't say which coin is which
18:05.29KtronOh wait, I forgot the weighting
18:05.59Elkanothey all have head and tail so no way to distinguish them
18:06.23Ktron{10 10 10 2 2} and {4 4 4 4 4} and {3 3 3 20 20}... Alright Elkano, give me a second
18:06.36IrielIf you can't differentiate the coins then the question is nonsense
18:06.48KtronIriel, no so
18:06.52Irielthe question works because, mathematically you go for the last one
18:06.54KtronIriel, let me get there
18:07.15Irielbecause one forgets that it's a single toss, winner takes all
18:09.03Ktron10v4 gives 3/5, 4v20 gives 3/5, and 20v10 gives 16/25... so 3v20 is a slightly better coin than the other two, so you pick first so you have a higher chance of getting the 'good' one
18:09.06ElkanoIriel, it 'could' turn out that the one picking first would have a winning chance greater or smaller 50% so the question makes sense
18:09.32IrielElkano : but if you dont know which coin they took (because they're indistinguishable), what good does it do you?
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18:11.12KtronIriel, I can think of examples that it might help, but not here
18:11.21IrielKtron : You dont have a higher chance of getting the good one by picking first
18:11.30KtronIriel, yeah, I just redid that bit
18:11.34IrielYou have a 1 in 3 chance of getting the good one, as does your oponent.
18:11.39KtronIriel, 1/3 verse 2/3*1/2
18:11.47Irielexactly 8-)
18:12.22ElkanoMind a situation that two people have been taken hostage or sth and the kidnappers will kill the one loosing and one of them will have the choice to choose first or second... ;)
18:12.45[MoonWolf]wb Cairenn
18:12.54Cairennthanks
18:13.14KtronWe've infiltrated statistics into the channel ;)
18:13.22IrielElkano : Other than the purely mental impact of being first or second choice, it doesn't help you win/survive
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18:13.58Elkanowell since the chances turn out 50:50, but what if they would result in 45:55?
18:14.08IrielI really think the original question was asked in the spirit of knowing which coin was which
18:14.22IrielBecause the answer is 'non intuitive' then.
18:14.49Ktronyeah... In your situation Elkano, the coins might as well have the words 'death' 'death' and 'life' written on them and turned words down
18:15.00Ktronthe weights and points are meaningless
18:16.15Corrodiasdamn, it's cold in here
18:19.06ElkanoKtron, you'll have to summ up: (1/3 for A picking coin A) * (1/2 for B picking coin B) * (coin A winning against coin B) + (1/3 for A picking coin A) * (1/2 for B picking coin C) * (coin A winning against coin C) + (1/3 for A picking coin B) * (1/2 for B picking coin A) * (coin B winning against coin A) + ...
18:20.09Elkanoand this will result, using the propabilities and values given, in 0.5; any other value would mean it would be better to pick either first or 2nd
18:20.09IrielElkano : But if you dont get to know which is which, even if there's a 5:1 advantage for a given pair, IT DOESNT HELP YOU
18:20.54Fanook|Zzzum, Elk, if you sum the probabilities of all the combinations, you'll get 1
18:21.00KtronElkano, if they had values of 100, 10, and 1 guarenteed, no matter if you pick first or second you're no more likely to get any particular coin than the others
18:21.14KtronElkano, in other words, no matter what you do, the coin you get is random
18:21.15ElkanoIriel, that's why you summ up all posible cases. It won't tell you THAT you'll win, but that you maybe have a higher chance to win
18:21.24IrielNo
18:21.38IrielThere are 6 possible ordered pairings of 3
18:21.46IrielAB,AC,BA,BC,CA,CB
18:22.21Corrodiasand AA!
18:22.23IrielIf 2 people are picking blind.. then each of those has an even possibility of ocurring (1/6)
18:22.26KtronElkano, first choice = second choice-- they have the same odds to get any coin, so what values the coins have don't matter-- for coins A and B, the order A then B is just as likely to be picked as B then A
18:22.37IrielAnd since P(XY) = (1 - P(YX))
18:22.45Ktronditto with AC/CA and BC/CB
18:22.49Irielit doesnt matter who picks what
18:24.13Elkanohmmm...
18:24.25[MoonWolf]its random, you cant calculate sense into random
18:24.27[MoonWolf]stop trying
18:24.31[MoonWolf]better men have tried and failed
18:24.45Fanook|Zzz*cough*chaos theory*cough* :D
18:25.14KtronHere's a different classic problem: You can build boxes, the smallest having a sidelength of 1m, and the largest having a volume of 1000 m^3. What size of box, if you randomly build a box, has a 50% chance to be bigger than your random box?
18:25.35KtronThe correct answer is: nei
18:26.07TainFive is a sufficiently close approximation to infinity.
18:26.14[MoonWolf]any box besides the 1m lenght box
18:26.27krkadefine "randomly"
18:26.56[MoonWolf]define box
18:26.58IrielIt doesnt really matter
18:27.02Irielwell, actually, it does
18:27.19krkarandomly doesn't really say anything
18:27.24IrielIndeed
18:27.36Elkanook, after my head emitting a bunch of smoke I finally have to apoligize...
18:27.43Ktronwhat do you mean?
18:27.46IrielIs the sidelength or volume uniformly distributed?
18:28.00IrielOr is it an unknown distribution?
18:28.01Ktronyeah Iriel, that's why there's not enough information
18:28.55IrielAh, that's what nei (which presumably would be all caps since it's an acronym) stood for
18:29.24AnduinLotharor. "ni" always works as an answer too
18:29.58KtronHere's a weird one: a Monday in September is a special type of day, because Monday and September share no letters. What one other type of day has this property?
18:30.06Ktron(ie, another month/dotw pair)
18:30.40cladhaireanyone know where the elder in jedanaar is?
18:30.50AnduinLotharnorth of the first cave
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18:31.06TainAh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians may say, "Ni" at will to old women.
18:31.09AnduinLotharoff the bridge and turn right
18:32.13FanookKron: a Friday in June
18:32.36Ktronyep
18:35.21IrielInteresting, technically I turn 34 on a friday in june, but I was born on a saturday in june, and march 1st falls on the same day in both that year and the year I was born.
18:35.40KtronAnd one last facty thing for people before I afk and return this channel to its regular topic ;) :: Did you notice, that on a qwerty keyboard, every vowel except for A and all the letters needed to type 'typewriter' are on the top row? (the fact that 'typewriter' is all on the top row is thought to be a marketting scheme.) Q is the only oddball. Also, in the middle of the keyboard, 'dfghjkl' is alphbetical minus the vowels. Amazing how unscienti
18:35.40Ktronfic the design of such a common piece of technology is.
18:36.17IrielI dont have any labels on my keyboard, so it's hard to verify that
18:36.20[MoonWolf]does it have to be scientific
18:36.32krkaä and ö is not on my top row
18:36.33[MoonWolf]qwerty stopped the thingy's from jamming
18:36.38[MoonWolf]that was all it needed to do.
18:36.51[MoonWolf]it ends there, it types fine too it you ask me.
18:36.56MaldiviaIriel: born close to midnight, and daylight saving pushes it to either side ?
18:37.16IrielMaldivia : Close enough, yeah, born close to midnight and I live 8 hours behind the place of my birth
18:37.21[MoonWolf]Iriel, Das keyboard ?
18:37.51KtronMore likely worn off.
18:37.59MaldiviaTechnically, I'm born the day before my birthday :)
18:38.10Iriel[MoonWolf] ; Yes, i'm not sure what I think of it in terms of raw keyboardness, it's comfortable and fast enough but not as special as they make it out to be.
18:38.30[MoonWolf]Its a sturdy black no label keyboard.
18:38.33IrielI've not managed to wear more than about 4 letters off ANY keyboard.
18:38.54Ktronqwerty just happened to stop them from jamming though, it was all trial and error, and people still don't use a different standard really... heh, maybey I'll look into a program or something to remap my keyboard to dvorak and I'll add sticks until I learn the new format
18:38.57[MoonWolf]The only keyboard i have with worn off letters still has an old connector type.
18:39.14[MoonWolf]i used it for ages with a ps/2 converter because it had really nice key's.
18:39.25KtronI've worn parts of my keyboard 'smooth' and shiny
18:39.25[MoonWolf]then i found this cheap keyboard that was confortable too.
18:39.33MaldiviaIriel: this is the keyboard for you, then: http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/
18:39.57IrielMaldivia : That would be kind of a waste, I never look at my keyboard
18:40.11[MoonWolf]If it even ever gets launched you can hit your key's to hard and they get fucked up.
18:40.16Ktronqweasdrf are smooth, the left side of the spacebar, and just beneath the arrow keys where my wrist sits on my S-curved keyboard
18:40.18[MoonWolf]ideal keyboard for me, NOT!
18:40.37IrielMy laptop has several smooth keys, but their labels have survived
18:40.47[MoonWolf]Plain 103 key keyboards for the WIN!
18:41.14[MoonWolf]It my mouse and my n52 that suffer.
18:41.31Ktronhttp://tim.griffins.ca/gallery/keyboard/all.html , there's some entertaining ones there
18:41.37Cairennlol, I've had this keyboard since Nov and it's already getting smooth/shiny in a number of places
18:41.53MaldiviaIriel: hehe, yeah - only time I look at the keyboard, is when combining keys...
18:41.53[MoonWolf]I would not have thought i would say it, but really an n52 is GOOD, i feel really crammed using a normal keyboard to play any kind of game now.
18:41.57Cairennjust from sheer number of hours
18:42.28Ktron'Comfort' is pretty crazy, as is the Cykey, the Twiddler, and my favorite, the Pyramid Keyboard
18:42.41IrielI never could get the hang of the twiddler
18:42.57[MoonWolf]Fountain can never be comfortable can it...
18:43.00IrielIt wasn't a good size, for a start
18:44.30[MoonWolf]comfort looks really uncomfortable....
18:44.45[MoonWolf]what is with the hand supsended in air without rest point keyboards
18:44.49[MoonWolf]bad idea people.
18:44.53Ktronhttp://jonaquino.blogspot.com/2005/05/poor-mans-kinesis-keyboard-knexis.html
18:44.59Ktronif you haven't seen that before as well
18:46.34Ktronmy keyboard --> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/large_view/US/EN,crid=2295,contentid=6012,sh=1
18:46.47[MoonWolf]all those split keyboards look really stupid when you want to try and type something quick with one hand.
18:47.13Ktronbesides the fancy fancy ones, my only complaint is that I won't be able to switch the key covers around if I want it to be dvorak, for example
18:47.55[MoonWolf]my keyboard :
18:47.56[MoonWolf]http://www.timesonline.co.nz/pi/10771.jpg
18:48.12[MoonWolf]kinda small i know
18:48.31Maldiviamy fingers would be too big for that...
18:48.51Ktronheh, I'm quite convinced I only want to use S-curve and wireless keyboards from now on, unless it has some other reason why I should be using it
18:49.33[MoonWolf]Its has really nice key feedback.
18:49.58[MoonWolf]90% of my keyboard preference is key feedback.
18:50.52CairennKtron: the problem with the ergonomic keyboards is that they seem to not be making them as much any more :(
18:51.16KtronCairenn, heh, I know, this is the only wireless S-curve keyboard that I know about
18:51.16CairennI *love* my ergo
18:52.08[MoonWolf]Anyway, might i slightly move the topic to the other major computer input device
18:52.10[MoonWolf]the mouse.
18:52.48[MoonWolf]Seeing as mine is peeling away surface coating
18:52.57BeladonaI don't like egonomic kbs that have splits
18:52.57[MoonWolf]can anybody suggest a new one ?
18:53.10IrielWired or Wireless?
18:53.25[MoonWolf]Wired
18:53.39IrielI like my Logitect G5
18:54.00IrielLogitech even
18:54.18Cairennhttp://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=019
18:54.30CideI like G5 too
18:54.54Beladonapeople at work really like the MS Natural 4000
18:55.02IrielI have mine weighted to about the same weight as my wireless mouse, very comfortable.
18:55.06Corrodiasdoes LUA have arrays?
18:55.09Cairennyeah, I haven't tried that one yet Bela
18:55.19[MoonWolf]its 80 euro
18:55.19IrielCorrodias : yes, tables with integer indices >= 1
18:55.37[MoonWolf]pretty big amount for a mouse.
18:55.39Corrodiasare they anywhere as fast as c/java "arrays"?
18:55.51KtronI dvoraked my keyboard
18:56.00Ktronbut for some reason, Xchat is unaffected
18:56.03IrielThey're pretty fast if you use them correctly
18:56.38[MoonWolf]Ktron, maybe xchat pulls the keyhits from the driver instead of watever layer you changed it on.
18:56.59*** join/#wowi-lounge kremonte (n=dan@ool-18bba4ea.dyn.optonline.net)
18:57.05kremontehihi all =P
18:57.06KtronIt might just require being restarted
18:57.11Ktronhere goes my wpm
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18:57.38Cairennhi kremonte
18:57.52kremonteanything going on?
18:58.10Ktronheh, oh there i go
18:58.19Ktronack
19:00.46Cairennkremonte: not much, folks just shooting the breeze, same old same old
19:01.05kremontemmm
19:03.28kremonteo_O?
19:03.34Cairennheh
19:06.13BeladonaI am beta testing BFME2
19:06.16Beladonavery fun
19:06.29kremonteBFME?> :X
19:06.35BeladonaBattle for Middle Earth
19:06.37Beladona2
19:06.39Cairennso, FA's, keep the bug reports, feature requests and feedback coming, pretty please
19:06.56kremonteCairenn: FA? :X
19:07.08Cairennfeatured artists/projects
19:07.31kremonteoh
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19:15.49Ktroni better put a lot of time on this setup
19:16.02kremontewhat're ya setting up?
19:16.04Ktronuh oh omudging
19:16.36Cairenneloquent as always, Ktron
19:16.48Ktroni am learning dvorak
19:17.14kremonteo_o
19:17.25kremontedvorak is evil
19:17.36kremontewell, people are evil to dvorak
19:18.07KtronCairenn, no tair by the time i type a come back you'll have won
19:18.11Corrodiasdoes somebody here know a lot about intel chipsets and processors?
19:18.58Cairennbut do you still love me?
19:19.11Beladonadepends on how much Corrodias
19:20.08kremonteagreed, Ktron
19:20.12Corrodiasi'd like to consider buying a pentium-based system, but i look at the lists and there are like 4 different types of processor and 20 different chipsets
19:20.28Beladonadesktop or laptop?
19:20.33Corrodiasand i'm like "wtf is all this"
19:20.36Corrodiasdesktop
19:20.46Beladonaif you can afford it, gow ith Pentium D
19:21.01Ktronthat would have meant something on qwerty
19:21.02Corrodiasi don't know what that means.
19:21.23Beladonaits a type of intel processor
19:22.01Beladonathey might list it at Petnium 4 D
19:22.06Corrodiashow is it different from what that isn't D?
19:22.16Corrodiasi should find a guide. i should use google.
19:22.21Beladonaprobably
19:22.27BeladonaPentium D is dual core
19:22.38Corrodiaswell i sure don't want to spring for that!
19:22.44Beladonaits not bad
19:23.16Corrodiasand i heard the rumors that "prescott", whatever it is, runs extra hot
19:23.36Beladonalol
19:24.05BeladonaPentium M and Pentium D are better for heat than previous Pentium 4 models
19:26.34Beladonahttp://www.intel.com/productsw/processor_number/info.htm
19:26.49Corrodiaspage not found?
19:26.56Beladonahmm, musta mispelled something
19:27.19Beladonahttp://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/info.htm
19:39.41Corrodiasso if they can do a 1066mhz front-side bus... why do most of the processors still use 800mhz?
19:41.43Corrodiasand how are these "core duo" processors not just a slower version of the D ones?
19:47.12kremontehow can i match 2 explicit strings in a string.find? [add|remove]%s(.+) isn't working right D:
19:47.18kremonteand i know it's wrong anyways :X
19:50.47Irielkremonte : No, you can't
19:53.59kremonte:(
19:54.07kremontealrighty
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20:08.27IrielFor anyone who cares, there's a new preview build of StatRings at http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/random/ - 0.10dev - it's got combo point indicators now
20:13.06Ktronthat sounds nice
20:15.19id`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2000
20:15.21id`the only thing about statrings that i dont like is that i dont like round meters, vertical would be way nicer...
20:15.47TainBut then it wouldn't be Stat Rings
20:15.53id`yep
20:16.08Shouryuulol
20:16.43TainMaybe StatSinWave
20:16.46Ktrontime to find a typing tutor
20:16.48TainThat would be neat.
20:18.14Shouryuulol anyone here knows the Typing of the dead?
20:18.25TainI've seen that, yeah.
20:18.32KtronI think 'true' health baubles based on kolume would be fun
20:18.34Shouryuuthat's a  typing tutorial :p
20:18.53Shouryuuoh the type that shrink as your hp goes low?
20:19.15KtronShouryuu, that's what i was thinking eventually
20:19.23Shouryuubars are just fine imo
20:19.28Shouryuubig ph4t bars
20:20.14id`sec uploading shots
20:20.57KtronShouryuu, no, so they'd empty faster at the ends compared to vert
20:21.07id`http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/wow/
20:21.11id`thats my UI
20:21.12id`atm
20:21.22KtronIriel, you knowZ
20:21.25Ktron?
20:21.29id`( yes i know i have all setting minimal )
20:21.30Shouryuushe's afk
20:21.52Ktronah
20:22.28id`http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/wow/WoWScrnShot_012206_035946.jpg
20:22.34id`that phat bars or what :P
20:23.33Shouryuuyeah
20:23.33Shouryuuthat I like
20:23.33Shouryuuclear and easy to see
20:24.03id`its MiniGroup2
20:24.19ShouryuuI use Nymbia's perl
20:24.50ShouryuuOh
20:24.54Shouryuuand Iriel, HE is afk
20:25.11Shouryuuhis female NE is fucking with my  mind
20:25.23id`rawr
20:25.25Shouryuulol
20:25.30id`shes seggseh eh?
20:25.31id`:D
20:25.51id`hmmm
20:25.59id`i could move the world frame up to the top of the buttons
20:26.05Ktroni need a super easy typer
20:26.05id`and put a combat log on the right
20:26.15id`use gtypist
20:26.25id`i think it was
20:26.37id`taught me to type qwerty in 2 hours
20:26.53Shouryuuget Typing of the dead!
20:27.42Shouryuucooome on come on come on, loves the greatest thing!
20:27.47id`demo: http://www.gamerevolution.com/oldsite/download/pc/action/typing_of%20_the_dead.htm
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20:28.04Shouryuuhow do I use a SRT file as a sub file?
20:28.41krkajust place it in the same dir as the movie and with the same name
20:28.46krkaexcept for the ending of course
20:28.59ShouryuuI need a codec apparently
20:29.04ShouryuuVLC isn't reading te subs
20:29.24krkacodec for srt? O_o
20:29.44Shouryuuwell no idea
20:29.48Shouryuubut it ain't happening
20:29.53Shouryuuand the subs are there
20:30.23Shouryuugot them
20:30.26Shouryuuneeded BS player
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20:32.59id`who needs subs with a cool name like yours Shouryuu|Movie
20:38.08Shouryuu|Movie=p
20:41.01id`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1981
20:41.02id`nice
20:41.05id`me so useh
21:12.40Astrylrotfl.
21:13.03AstrylI've spent the last hour getting an attack script working...
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21:13.13AstrylI've spent the last hour getting an attack script working...
21:13.34Astryltinker with it, reload ui, attack a mob, repeat...
21:13.49AstrylThe mob I kill on the try that finally gets it right, drops a world drop
21:14.37AstrylThat Owlbear was like "Congrats on finally getting your damn script working! Now stop killing me over and over! Here's a world drop!"
21:15.07Cairenncall you whatever we want? how about hunnysnookemsweetcakes?
21:15.43IrielI said whichever, not whatever 8-)
21:15.48Cairenn;)
21:16.01Cairennyou won't answer to hunnysnookemsweetcakes?
21:16.20IrielIt'll probably depend
21:16.50Cairennon?
21:17.10Irielwho says it, and how many other people are there it could refer to
21:17.34Cairennwell, me, of course, hunnysnookemsweetcakes
21:17.45AstrylHmm? You talking to me, Cair?
21:17.50kremontehhaha
21:17.52Cairennlol
21:18.02Astryl:)
21:18.14Cairennif you'll excuse me now, I think I'll go retch
21:18.21AstrylOuch!
21:18.26Cairennno no
21:18.29Cairennjust at the name
21:18.34Cairenncan you imagine? ewwwww
21:18.40AstrylWhat's wrong with my name? :(
21:19.03Cairennhunnysnookemsweetcakes :p
21:19.09Astrylhas been Astro Nine, Astro, Astro the Space Duck, Åstro, Astryl, and Astrylian...
21:19.20AstrylErr, +/me
21:19.43kremonteÅstro?
21:19.46kremonteomg you have a halo
21:19.51AstrylIndeed.
21:19.52Astryl:)
21:20.10AstrylWell, I'm embaressed to say that I was Å$2020®ø for a while, too.
21:20.29AstrylBut that was... bad.
21:20.30kremontewhat the hell o_O
21:21.44Astryl:)
21:24.41AstrylSo, the good news is that my addon is now effectively 1/3 complete.
21:25.08AstrylI can now do most bear combat with a single button.
21:25.32kremontewhy would you want to =/
21:25.38kremontethat takes a lot of the fun out of it
21:25.45kremontenow not only is it grinding, but it's button mashing ><
21:26.06AstrylNo Bash, Challenging/Demoralizing Roar, or Frenzied Regeneration, but everything else is in one button.
21:26.21kremontemeh
21:26.25AstrylAuto-Attack, Maul, Enrage, Growl, Faerie Fire, Swipe, Feral Charge, all in one button.
21:26.28kremonte...make one for cat form? =P
21:26.36AstrylThat's the other 2/3 of the addon.
21:26.40AstrylClaw and Shred.
21:26.59krkasounds like a job for GRAB!
21:27.03AstrylWell, I just call them that - really just CatFront and CatBehind.
21:27.03AstrylGRAB?
21:27.12kremonteno thx krka =P
21:27.45krkahttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4524
21:30.34AstrylInteresting.
21:30.44AstrylThat's actually very similar to what I'm doing.
21:31.05krkayeah, sounded like it
21:31.10AstrylExcept, already setup for feral skills, and supporting multiple spells at once.
21:31.15krkaare you hardcoding for druid?
21:31.20AstrylYes
21:31.27krkamultiple spells at once?
21:31.37krkathe instant spell thingy?
21:31.40AstrylAuto-Attack+Maul+Growl+FaerieFire, all in one button press is the most possible.
21:31.41AstrylYeah.
21:31.46kremonteCairenn, accept my submission, quick! D:
21:31.50kremontepleease <3
21:31.57krkahm, I don't really have support for that, should add it
21:33.45Cairennthanks for the feedback Tain :)
21:37.31krkaalready added automatic highest rank and inrange checks for non-targetted units
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21:59.34IrielMorning Tem 8-)
21:59.50Temit's actually afternoon... I just forgot to change myself
21:59.50Cairennhey Tem
22:00.09Cairenn~ugt
22:00.10purlit has been said that ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
22:00.13Temyes yes
22:00.36Temaha! but I didn't just enter the channel
22:00.56IrielLogically you did
22:00.57Cairennfine then
22:01.01IrielTem|Sleep implied you were gone
22:01.05IrielEven if you in fact were here
22:01.15Cairennlazy good for nothing bum, can't drag your ass out of bed at a reasonable hour
22:01.22Temnot really
22:01.23Cairennthat better?
22:01.28TemI got up and went to church this morning
22:01.38Temthen went to my grandmother's house for lunch
22:03.59Temanyway, I was running late this morning because I'm nocturnal and the rest of my family are morning people so I forgot to change my nick
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22:04.38IrielGood afternoon then, I suppose 8-)
22:06.17CairennI was just having fun teasing you *shrug*
22:07.09TainI woke up and watched television.
22:07.16TainThat's sort of like church.
22:07.43AnduinLotharsome weak comparison would probably be drawn
22:07.46AnduinLotharcould*
22:08.24Shouryuu|Movieok
22:08.42shouryuuphilosophy
22:08.43shouryuuhereee iii coommmme
22:09.10Cairennoh boy, this could be painful
22:10.52Temshouryuu: what movie were you watching?
22:11.07TemI think I'm going to watch castle in the stars later
22:13.07shouryuuI was watching the full metal alchemist movie
22:13.10shouryuunot that good
22:13.12shouryuunot that bad
22:13.19shouryuucastle in the stars or sky?
22:13.47Temmaybe it's in the sky not sure
22:13.59shouryuuit's an anime?
22:14.03Temsame guy who did "Howl's moving castle" and "Spirited Away"
22:14.05shouryuulaputa - castle in the sky?
22:14.07shouryuuyeah
22:14.15shouryuuhowls and spirited away are far better
22:14.21TemI saw howl's moving castle last week
22:14.24Temenjoyed it a lot
22:14.24shouryuuI didn't really like laputa
22:14.27shouryuuthat's a great movie
22:14.29shouryuuyeah
22:14.39IrielI haven't seen Howl's yet, but Spirited Away is excellent
22:14.50shouryuuHowl's is very nice as well
22:15.03TemYeah, I saw "Spirited Away" last spring
22:15.12TemVery similar plot to Howl's
22:15.16shouryuuyeah
22:15.19Temwell, kind of
22:15.22shouryuuwell same them rather than plot
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22:15.33Cairennhey Guillotine
22:15.37Guillotinehello :)
22:15.38shouryuurawr
22:15.39shouryuu*theme
22:15.40Temeither way, I enjoyed it
22:15.54Cairennso Guillotine, why all the love to wowguru and none to wowi?
22:16.04Guillotinehuh?
22:16.05TemThat's what I was trying to say; thanks shouryuu.
22:16.13Cairenngui with guillotine
22:16.17Guillotineoh, you mean the column? should I post that on WoWI too?
22:16.31Cairennyou can if you wish
22:16.51Cairennwas just curious
22:16.52shouryuutem - have you seen Totoro?
22:16.59id`if i do MiniMapMailFrame:Hide() it will hsow when new mail arrifes right?
22:17.11id`jeez typos
22:17.14shouryuulol
22:17.24shouryuujust send your self a mail and check?
22:17.48AnduinLotharor buyout something cheep if u dont wanna reload
22:18.07AnduinLotharor look in the minimap.lua code
22:18.18TainYes id it will.
22:18.37shouryuuor wait for tain to answer :P
22:18.43Temshouryuu: no I haven't
22:19.12TainA few different mail addons hide that frame when you exit the mailbox because it gets bugged on sometimes even when you have no mail.
22:19.31shouryuuyou have to see it. It's a master piece, no other words.
22:20.16TainI guess everyone got their family visiting out of the way early, I'm getting ready to go over to mine in a little bit.
22:22.38TainI'll even wear the shirt mom gave me for Christmas.
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22:26.36id`Tain, then it was CT_Mailmod that bugged it
22:26.53id`<PROTECTED>
22:27.01id`<PROTECTED>
22:27.05id`is enough for me
22:27.05id`:p
22:28.24shouryuudo you say
22:28.45shouryuuthe population which felt
22:28.45shouryuuor who felt
22:29.00id`http://pastebin.com/529500
22:29.02shouryuuoppresed is what they feilt
22:29.02shouryuu*felt
22:29.05krkathat felt!
22:29.07id`that felt
22:29.48shouryuumy english is going down the drain
22:29.54shouryuufrance = teh suXorz
22:30.07shouryuuyou sure?
22:30.11id`yes
22:30.11Temshouryuu: Where can I find Totoro?
22:30.17id`well then why live in france
22:30.22shouryuuwouldn't *that* only consider a small fraction of the population
22:30.37NeT\shouryuu faut pas generalisé non plus :)
22:30.54shouryuutem - well I uploaded it to Demonoid, I can send ytou an invite if you want
22:30.56id`this/that/they has no relation to amounts, 'it' does.
22:30.56shouryuuw000t
22:30.59shouryuuun francais
22:31.07id`well, they does
22:31.08id`:p
22:31.09krkahas anyone made an advanced lua editor for ingame wow yet?
22:31.15krkasyntax highlighting and stuff
22:31.18id`krka, TinyPad ?
22:31.20Temmais, la france... je ne sais pas.
22:31.25id`LOL krka
22:31.25shouryuulol
22:31.50TainFetchez la vache!
22:31.57krkaok, so what can TinyPad do?
22:32.04Guillotinemake tiny pads?
22:32.17TemTain: LOL!
22:32.18TainNo syntax highlighting in game.
22:32.25id`either use TinyPad or LuaSlinger
22:32.36Temdidn't gello make one?
22:32.40id`luaslinger is nice but tinypad is scalable
22:32.43id`yes, tinypad
22:32.43Tem(is that TinyPad?)
22:32.50TainTinyPad is a nice simple in-game editor though.  Very small.
22:32.54TemI think Rowne made one too
22:32.59id`i can enlarge the tinypad frame to fit lines like
22:33.00TemFuncBook or soemthing
22:33.06krkaso, features?
22:33.06TainI couldn't make Rowne's work.  Or something.
22:33.12TemI never tried
22:33.21krkajust textboxes you can write in?
22:33.22TainTinypad's feature:  A window that lets you type in Lua and execute it.
22:33.23id`Visor:Do(string.format('f=%s%s p=%s%s pr=%s%s p1=%s p2=%s x=%s y=%s h=FALSE s=%s a=%s', f, i, f, first, f, i-1, p1, p2, x, y, s, a))
22:33.25id`like that
22:33.26id`:p
22:33.28id`(lol)
22:33.36krkai need indentation and highlighting :P
22:33.41krkaand code-completion!
22:33.43id`krka, vim.org
22:33.48kremonteid`: lol
22:33.51id`*cough*
22:33.54TainI like LuaSlinger because you can do /ls 2  and it'll execut the script on page 2.  I don't think TinyPad does that though.
22:33.55kremontevim is evil
22:34.01id`vim = the shit
22:34.07kremonteEVIL
22:34.10krkavim = shit
22:34.16id`the shit
22:34.17id`:D
22:34.19TainThere's no in-game vim so pipe down.
22:34.22kremontevim broke my computer
22:34.26Valleriusif somebody says emacs i'm leaving...
22:34.34id`emacs sucks
22:34.36id`:D
22:34.37id`<3
22:34.38AnduinLotharwhy the hell am i paying money to code in a gimp environment anyway..
22:34.58TainAnduinLothar: For the chicks
22:35.05AnduinLotharwhat chicks?
22:35.30TainChicks dig Lua.
22:35.39kremonteChicken dies.
22:36.17TainAn old man dies.  A young girl lives.
22:36.22id`Tain, yeah lines like "All your lua semicolons are belong to /dev/null" so work
22:36.40id`Iriel, i stopped with the tutorial after the 15/20'th ctrl shortcut :P
22:36.57krkahm... i wonder how hard a lua dev-addon would be to write
22:37.06krkaindentation and highlighting
22:37.14id`and i totally did not digg the previous next forward back kind of moving the cursor
22:37.28Irielid' : emacs becomes totally second nature after not all that long
22:37.30AnduinLotharmostly involves writing a gui and recompiling the dictionary
22:37.35id`i know, vim too :-)
22:37.42Irielid' : But some people dont like it, personal preference and all that
22:37.49id`sometimes i do something and i cant remember exactly how
22:38.03AnduinLothari cant stand either vim or emacs. need my gui editor
22:38.05id`and i start thinking in keystrokes
22:38.06id`:p
22:38.10krkaemacs has a gui
22:38.14id`vim too
22:38.16kremontei use gedit, no need for anything else
22:38.29krkaemacs even has tetris :P
22:38.41TainI hand-etch bits directly onto my harddrive platters.
22:38.47kremonteTain: lol
22:38.53Temthe nix editors hate me
22:39.18TemI think my family took candy from theirs or something
22:39.20Valleriusi've been using a lua editor for eclipse lately. total overkill, but it works well
22:39.21Cairennhey NeT\?
22:39.32id`overkill indeed
22:39.33NeT\hello
22:39.35krkareally vall? that sounds interesting!
22:39.35Cairennyou might want to read this thread:
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22:39.37Cairennhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=310716&p=1&tmp=1#post310716
22:39.40TainI don't believe in overkill.
22:39.44krkacan you get code completion to work?
22:39.48TemVallerius: yeah I like it, but like you said "overkill"
22:39.55id`Tain, LESS RAM!
22:39.57shouryuuanyone know exactly when Hitler attempted his first coup?
22:40.00TemI do use Eclipse for Java development though
22:40.03id`:p
22:40.15Valleriuscode completion kinda-sorta works. i like it because i'm often working on java stuff at the same time
22:40.31NeT\yep i saw it, well i can t help people that infect their computer themself and then whine about having popup in other websites:;/
22:40.48shouryuuanyone?
22:40.56TainNever heard of him, shouryuu
22:40.57Cairenn*nod*, just thought you might want to get Silver to respond
22:41.10NeT\We have not change the code of the website for 9 month so :)
22:41.17Cairennoh, I know
22:41.27AnduinLotharprogressive approach, i can tel
22:41.27TainI like Eclipse because you can do nice svn integration.  I can't do that with UltraEdit. :)
22:41.27NeT\she is sleeping
22:41.43IrielEclipse is too bulky for my tastes
22:41.54TemI like it for java, but that's about it
22:41.59ValleriusTain: oh yeah, that too. keeping my addons in svn has saved my butt more than once
22:42.10Cairennanyway, just wanted to point it out to you in case you missed it
22:42.14TainIf you're using it for something else it's good.  But I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone go install Eclipse to do Lua. :)
22:42.21krkai have deleted my addons on multiple occasions :)
22:42.28krkaas in, deleted all copies of it
22:42.38TainI'm pretty sure I've used svn - revert more times than I can count.
22:42.41AnduinLotharbackup zips
22:43.02NeT\thank you yep :)
22:43.09TainAs in, "Damn I screwed this code up but good."  Revert
22:43.10krkaeverytime I rewrite stuff, it ends up better though
22:43.17krkabetter designed and better coded
22:43.22krkaso i guess it's good
22:43.29AnduinLotharheh, ya i do that
22:43.29TainWe can rebuild him.  We have the technology.
22:43.59Temyeah but a lot of times I add a feature and after I'm done I really don't like it
22:44.01Temso I revert
22:44.06Temrevert is my friend
22:44.06TainOk off to visit mommie and daddy.
22:53.05Guillotineicecream is always good
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22:56.39krkahamburgers are pretty sweet
22:56.48AnduinLotharmmm fresh outa ice cream too. got otter pops tho
23:00.07Elkanowell, gnight everybody :)
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23:04.05ShouryuuI need advice
23:04.20ShouryuuShould I do my dumb philosophy papper
23:04.32ShouryuuIf I do: I
23:04.38Shouryuum going to be
23:05.04Shouryuutired, pissed, angry. The teacher is going to think I'm an Anarchist or a Terrorist
23:05.10ShouryuuIf I don't, I
23:05.14Shouryuull just get a bad mark
23:05.15Shouryuuhell
23:05.28Shouryuusleep is overated
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23:46.05Cairennhey Guillotine
23:50.44Guillotinehello again :)
23:52.38AnduinLotharheh guil. you think you can make a wiki version of your item link summary?
23:52.54AnduinLothara HOWTO: page
23:53.10CairennGuillotine: I need to apologize, apparently
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23:53.41Guillotine_can't find a place it would fit
23:53.44CairennGuillotine: I need to apologize, apparently
23:53.57Guillotinehuh?
23:54.01AnduinLotharguil. make a HOWTO page
23:54.28CairennI'm sorry for teasing you about your column and no love for WoWI, apparently I was completely out of line to do that since I was interferring in "business"
23:54.38AnduinLotharHOWTO: Understand Item Link Syntax
23:54.58AnduinLotharor just HOWTO: Item Link Syntax
23:56.32AnduinLotharif you put the right howto link marker on the bottom of the page it'll automaticly get catigorized on http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:HOWTOs
23:56.48GuillotineAnduin: I wasn't going to do it on WoWWiki
23:56.52Guillotinethat's an idea though
23:57.00Guillotineif zeeg's ok with it...
23:57.30AnduinLotharright, well I know zeeg prolly wants his content unique. but I think i'd be a lot more accessable on the wiki
23:59.30AnduinLotharand i assume you aren't under anything more than verbal agreement with zeeg, so there's not really any legal issues since it should be copywritten under authorship and not to wowguru specificly.  Even so, you could always structure it to avoid direct copy issues if there are any.
23:59.43AnduinLotharrestructure*
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